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| lcuk | bah! why do i bother | 00:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lo lcuk | 00:16 |
| lcuk | hiya sts | 00:17 |
| lcuk | you havin a busy night | 00:17 |
| RST38h | kucl | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: somewhat, but not that much | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i fink ive got a virus | 00:18 |
| lcuk | or rather i think my pooter has got a virus | 00:18 |
| lcuk | theres *something* happening with most pages i click and i cant decide if something dodgy is happening or its a part fo ff3 update | 00:19 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Ran HijackThis already? | 00:20 |
| lcuk | not recently, iven ot needed to since switching to ff | 00:20 |
| lcuk | but the roblem is explicitely in ff | 00:20 |
| lcuk | with a clean new profile its the same | 00:20 |
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| RST38h | ff is not 100% protected against crap | 00:21 |
| lcuk | no, but i have avg for that | 00:21 |
| RST38h | you can still click on harmful things | 00:21 |
| RST38h | avg is pretty useless | 00:21 |
| lcuk | it doesnt usually have the bho type problems | 00:21 |
| RST38h | most antiviruses I have seen are pretty useless | 00:21 |
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| RST38h | HijackThis and AdAware are probably the only two useful tools | 00:22 |
| lcuk | yeah, but i try to stay on well lit side of the web | 00:22 |
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| RST38h | Ah wonderfullll Pictures of BLACK N97! | 00:24 |
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| RST38h | Keyboard actually looks more useful than N810 | 00:25 |
| * Stskeeps would get a black tablet.. :P | 00:25 | |
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| RST38h | Unfortunately, black seems to be passe | 00:32 |
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| RST38h | And white didn't catch up yet. So we are stack with the ugly fake aluminium. | 00:32 |
| RST38h | s/stack/stuck/ | 00:33 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: And white didn't catch up yet. So we are stuck with the ugly fake aluminium. | 00:33 |
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| l7 | oh yeah, that n97 is the hotness | 00:39 |
| l7 | but 550 euros? | 00:39 |
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| Stskeeps | probably to make it look as expensive as an iphone | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:42 |
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| l7 | the hardware does seem better than the iphone | 00:44 |
| l7 | hmm, what other qualifications are needed? | 00:44 |
| l7 | er nvm | 00:45 |
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| RST38h | n97 is still a tool and it shows | 00:49 |
| RST38h | iphone is mainly fashion =) | 00:49 |
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| l7 | i like the hardware keyboard and the microsd slot on the n97 | 00:52 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf. "f you don't use a framebuffer, the choices that start with "." will reduce the number of available colors on the console. | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | (speaking about languages..) | 00:53 |
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| RST38h | Sts: so, what choices starting with "." have you got? | 01:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well the obvious reason is probably needing to include more data in the font buffers of the gfx card.. and . were arabic and other strange character languages | 01:03 |
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| RST38h | heh | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | that it caused less colours surprised me though | 01:06 |
| RST38h | Exemplary videogame review: http://exiledonline.com/notes-by-a-professional-video-games-reviewer-playing-disneys-bolt/ | 01:06 |
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| RST38h | Sts: well, if it needs more memory, this can be achieved at the cost of using less bits per pixel | 01:07 |
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| RST38h | "So turning invisible and throwing gas mines uses energy. Killing people gives energy. Got it." | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:09 |
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| solca | ping Stskeeps | 01:40 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: pong, but i'm off to bed :P was actually there already | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | and looks good re kexec :) | 01:57 |
| solca | yea, thx and good night | 01:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo! http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/buffalos-wireless-injunction-stayed-now-free-to-sell-wifi-prod/ | 02:29 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what does injuction means | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | They were legally prevented from selling their WiFi products in the US. | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | But an injunction is a court order where a party is required to do or to stop doing something. | 02:32 |
| disco_stu | prevented for health terms or patenting stuff ? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid submarine patent. | 02:33 |
| disco_stu | lol | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the reason I'm happy is because Buffalo has the new WRT54G. | 02:34 |
| disco_stu | i own a linksys wrt54gl :P | 02:34 |
| disco_stu | modded 100% | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I replaced one dead dead WRT54G (v.1.2) with a WHR-G125 and added two more to my parent's house for $75. | 02:35 |
| disco_stu | hoy many routers do they need ? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I've got fantastic coverage from the street to the alley and from the 1st floor to the attic | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With 3 routers | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 in the house, 1 in the garage. | 02:37 |
| disco_stu | using how much txpower ? | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Whatever's default | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | We also have plaster walls covered in lead paint, soooo. ;) | 02:38 |
| disco_stu | lol.. mine wrt54gl has 27mw from stock and now im using it a 70mw | 02:38 |
| disco_stu | with a very good coverage | 02:38 |
| disco_stu | also u can remove antennas to replace for better ones | 02:38 |
| disco_stu | s/u/I/ | 02:38 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: also I can remove antennas to replace for better ones | 02:38 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: the thing is, are you using encryption right ? | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | WPA2 | 02:42 |
| disco_stu | changing the subject | 02:43 |
| disco_stu | have you tried boxar ? | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | boxar? | 02:43 |
| disco_stu | yeah | 02:43 |
| disco_stu | i made a video with my n800 | 02:43 |
| disco_stu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fqnKS2ymU | 02:43 |
| disco_stu | check it | 02:44 |
| disco_stu | this is done by jaggernot | 02:45 |
| disco_stu | ah si lo vi, es increible | 02:45 |
| disco_stu | que grosos los chabones esos | 02:46 |
| disco_stu | aunque mi teoria es que lo hacen los mismo de apple | 02:46 |
| disco_stu | si no han liberado las apis | 02:46 |
| disco_stu | sorry, missed window | 02:46 |
| pupnik | Pandora to run Angstrom linux. (no maemo, oh well). Looks like a good choice. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, talk to johnx. :P | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, lol, sounded like Smoke on the Water there at the beginning. | 02:47 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: yeah that was intended | 02:47 |
| Veggen | parliamo italiano qui, non? | 02:47 |
| disco_stu | catso | 02:48 |
| disco_stu | lol | 02:48 |
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| pupnik | ~parmesano | 02:49 |
| Veggen | <---ho bevuto la birra oggi. Parlo solo on poco d'italiano. | 02:51 |
| Veggen | (s/on/un/ - it doesn't help that I miss the keys either ) | 02:52 |
| doc|home | my favourite italian, porca putana! | 02:52 |
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| pupnik | they bumped up the RAM to 256MB which is a treat | 02:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still up in the air what we'll get on the N900 | 02:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But recent source drops indicate they set up a 756MB swap partition. . . . | 02:56 |
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| disco_stu | i dont understand how the iphone with a closed api has a lot of terrific apps | 03:03 |
| disco_stu | they are so cool | 03:03 |
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| disco_stu | GAN800: GeneralAntilles: ping ? | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | pong | 05:06 |
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| disco_stu | yo | 05:07 |
| disco_stu | i have a question.. hoping your entire experience can help me out | 05:07 |
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| disco_stu | upgraded Canola to its latest version | 05:07 |
| disco_stu | and now youtube plugin disappeared | 05:07 |
| disco_stu | any hint ? | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "latest" | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel latest or Extras latest? | 05:08 |
| disco_stu | dunno :P | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | b10 or b9? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, I don't know. | 05:09 |
| disco_stu | 2.0.0~beta10-maemo3 | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | #canola should know tomorrow. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola clean then reinstall b9 might help. | 05:10 |
| disco_stu | i dont want to lose all my cd covers again .. | 05:10 |
| * disco_stu is going to play CSS online | 05:14 | |
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| pupnik | disco_stu: what's CSS online? | 05:20 |
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| disco_stu | pupnik: i play counter strike source | 05:27 |
| disco_stu | online, of course | 05:27 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 05:29 |
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| zakkm | Is gnome worth it on Deblet? | 05:53 |
| zakkm | performance wise | 05:53 |
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| zakkm | for speaker + mic ? | 06:04 |
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| dmsuperman | Do we have a google calendar client that works yet? | 06:36 |
| dmsuperman | GPE Calendar + erminig is very buggy -- it repeats alarms for things that have already gone off quite regularly | 06:37 |
| dmsuperman | mcalendar doesn't sync with gcal properly, and almost never alarms right anyway | 06:37 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello all | 09:10 |
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| dmsuperman | Man there's just so much going on in here | 09:53 |
| dmsuperman | I asked a question 3 hours ago, and since then there have been 2 lines | 09:53 |
| dmsuperman | And like 100 lines of joins, parts, and nickchanges | 09:53 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if that guy thought this is a support channel | 09:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | morning Meiz_n810 | 10:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning | 10:29 |
| * Stskeeps is working a bit on the installer for mer-armel | 10:31 | |
| Stskeeps | ported the rescue menu and such last night | 10:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 10:33 |
| WormFood | does scim work properly on the n800? | 10:34 |
| WormFood | it totally fucked up my keyboard, and I couldn't even bring up the keyboard at all, after installing it | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: any more luck with android? | 10:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I got it working yesterday, but i flashed back to original kernel | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 10:37 |
| * Meiz_n810 still want's to use maemo (and Mer :P) | 10:37 | |
| Stskeeps | solca's doing an interesting experiment, where he is able to boot different kernels without flashing or loading through usb | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it boots up in a minimal linux kernel and then that kernel executes the other kernel | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | which is quite neat | 10:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | sounds interesting... | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saves a lot of flashing :P | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | will be interesting to see what comes of it | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | meaning you can multiboot between maemo, android, etc | 10:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | even if android supports wlan and APM, i wont replace maemo with it | 10:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | but with multiboot it's fine :) | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:43 |
| * Stskeeps would possibly replace maemo with mer, but we'll see | 10:44 | |
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| WormFood | nobody uses scim with the N800? | 10:44 |
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| suihkulokki | WormFood: maemo-cjk does, I think | 10:45 |
| WormFood | but does it work for anyone? | 10:45 |
| WormFood | I can't get the god damn keyboard to work after installing scim | 10:45 |
| suihkulokki | actually it seems to to use UIM instead | 10:46 |
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| WormFood | is there any way to make the application manager not ask if I'm sure to install 3rd-party applications (or update them)? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | the damned legal warning, heh | 10:52 |
| WormFood | yeah, it is rather annoying | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | think there's patches laying around for it | 10:52 |
| WormFood | maybe there should be a check box to only check once or something for it | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | "yes i understand the legal implications, now please leave me alone" | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:53 |
| WormFood | more like "shut the fuck up, I know what I'm doing! I knew what I was getting into when I bough the N800 in the first place" | 10:53 |
| RST38h | You should be thankful to Nokia legal department that they do not require you to check this box while under lie detector. | 10:54 |
| WormFood | honestly, I wouldn't have bought the N800 if I couldn't install 3rd party apps for it | 10:54 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: use apt-{get,cache} :) | 10:54 |
| WormFood | with my keyboard that does not work because I installed scim? | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | See? You already broke standard system setup. | 10:55 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: ssh from the desktop, unless you really need to do it on the spot | 10:55 |
| RST38h | So, when you checked that box, you did not really mean it. | 10:55 |
| mentalmonkey | s/desktop/& or laptop, etc | 10:55 |
| WormFood | I didn't expect scim to break the god damn keyboard | 10:55 |
| RST38h | But Nokia warned you, right? | 10:56 |
| WormFood | now I need a new battery for my N800 | 10:56 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: hmm, well someones cranky :) | 10:56 |
| WormFood | technically, yes RST38h, however, I'm not asking Nokia for help | 10:56 |
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| WormFood | do you know where the term "cranky" originates from? | 10:56 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: please enlighten me on its etymology | 10:57 |
| RST38h | But in case you ask, they will tell you "we warned you, what were you thinking, fuck off" =) | 10:57 |
| WormFood | it comes from the days when cars were started by a hand crank | 10:57 |
| mentalmonkey | if you find it enjoyable | 10:57 |
| WormFood | imagine a car that is hard to start | 10:57 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: oh, yes that makes a lot of sense | 10:57 |
| WormFood | indeed | 10:57 |
| mentalmonkey | thank you | 10:57 |
| WormFood | I found it rather interesting | 10:57 |
| mentalmonkey | very much | 10:58 |
| WormFood | and within a year, after the electric starter was invented, it was on every new car | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:58 |
| WormFood | afternoon X-Fade | 10:58 |
| WormFood | it is almost 5pm here | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | WormFood: We use UGT here ;) | 10:59 |
| WormFood | Here I use UTC+8 | 10:59 |
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| WormFood | and it still boggles my mind, why omweather needs to reboot to work | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:00 |
| WormFood | ok, I'm going, chat with you guys later | 11:00 |
| mentalmonkey | WormFood: I am getting a different etymology from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=c&p=29 although the history on automobiles is very interesting nonetheless | 11:00 |
| mentalmonkey | only the mechanical use, e.g. turning a crank seems to have such a short lived history | 11:01 |
| mentalmonkey | but ? | 11:01 |
| mentalmonkey | excuse me, "to crank X" | 11:02 |
| mentalmonkey | crank as a verb | 11:02 |
| tekojo | Morning X-Fade | 11:02 |
| tekojo | Feeling better? | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | tekojo: Yeah, much ;) | 11:03 |
| RST38h | moo, X-Fade | 11:03 |
| mentalmonkey | anyone know of a tablet that is a little larger than the n8x0 and runs linux here and now or to be released in the near future ? | 11:04 |
| mentalmonkey | larger == more display | 11:04 |
| RST38h | mentalmonkey: at www.google.com type in "MID tablet" and press enter | 11:04 |
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| * Stskeeps isn't terribly impressed over MIDs | 11:05 | |
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| mentalmonkey | RST38h: "+MID +tablet +linux", just interested if someone is stoked about a product, that's all, sorry for the largely irrelvant discourse | 11:07 |
| mentalmonkey | not so much found | 11:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | check umpcportal | 11:09 |
| mentalmonkey | well I won't have $ for anything for a bit :), my n800 is good looking and I'm pleased to be able to use it for work and pleasure | 11:11 |
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| mentalmonkey | best to all | 11:15 |
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| gnuton | Hi there | 11:34 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Hi | 11:37 |
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| vai__ | hi... anyone knows if SDL for Maemo is at mature stage? | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | yes, it is | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | vai__: It has been there from the beginning. | 12:07 |
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| lardman | morning# | 12:11 |
| vai__ | thanks | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | mourning, lardman | 12:14 |
| lardman | RST38h: no, quite happy actually ;) | 12:17 |
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| lardman | hmm, Pandora would-be users still don't have any info about a PowerVR driver | 12:22 |
| lardman | I wonder if this is endemic to all Linux platforms | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | Anyone got their Pandora yet? | 12:23 |
| lardman | no chance :) | 12:23 |
| kulve | the PowerVR isn't (afaik) integrated to X in any way, so it's quite useless (unless you want to play opengl es games with out X) | 12:23 |
| lardman | still random arbitrary delays | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | Colour me surprised | 12:23 |
| lardman | kulve: well better than nothing, but with a driver one might at least start trying to integrate, assuming the stub is GPL | 12:24 |
| lardman | Jaffa: some people have dev boards and the like, looks pretty damn quick (i.e. omap3 is quick, not specifically the Pandora) | 12:25 |
| kulve | the kernel drivers should be open source but I'm afraid they might be just wrappers and the all the logic would be in user space (close source) libraries | 12:25 |
| lardman | yeah, that's how it is for the omap2 | 12:25 |
| lardman | but that's a step nearer anyway ;) | 12:25 |
| lardman | the userspace libs are pretty huge too iirc | 12:25 |
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| glass_ | lardman: :( (about the pandora) | 12:26 |
| lardman | kulve: hmm, looks like the sdk came with a patched X server | 12:26 |
| lardman | glass_: yeah, I'm wondering if that's a lost cause | 12:27 |
| kulve | what SDK? | 12:27 |
| lardman | OpenGL one | 12:27 |
| kulve | from the img.tech. site? | 12:27 |
| lardman | no, from Ti site originally | 12:27 |
| kulve | what's the binary called? Or do you have sources for the x? | 12:27 |
| lardman | no sources, still can't find the dir, give me a tick | 12:28 |
| kulve | ticks tend to be quite fast nowadays.. | 12:28 |
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| lardman | I'm using dyntick ;) | 12:29 |
| kulve | though so ;) | 12:29 |
| lardman | well there are two, freedesktop/bin dir, called Xfbdev and Xmbx | 12:29 |
| kulve | Xmbx.. | 12:30 |
| lardman | yeah, name's a bit of a give away :) | 12:30 |
| kulve | are you talking about that TI gaming site that provides some SDKs on request? | 12:30 |
| lardman | yes | 12:30 |
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| lardman | though they used to be free downloads, not sure anyone's managed to request one since they were taken down | 12:31 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/untitled.jpg | 12:32 |
| kulve | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=27458 | 12:32 |
| StsN800 | requires a kernel driver? (xmbx) | 12:32 |
| lardman | yes | 12:33 |
| kulve | I've been mailing to them about that but I haven't got any replies lately | 12:33 |
| StsN800 | pvr.ko is for what kernel? | 12:34 |
| lardman | 2.6.8 iirc | 12:34 |
| StsN800 | k | 12:34 |
| kulve | "OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10" says the URL I just pasted | 12:34 |
| lardman | that info can be stripped, but it still does nothing | 12:35 |
| lardman | I think the only one with binaries was the Montavista one | 12:35 |
| lardman | also the version in the binary didn't match the version in the archive filename :S | 12:35 |
| lardman | Anyway, we've done all this before, I was just showing the size of the userside libs | 12:36 |
| StsN800 | k | 12:36 |
| lardman | probably unstripped though, as is the kernel module, I'll have to check at some point | 12:36 |
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| lardman | caffeine time :) | 12:37 |
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| StsN800 | try gdb it and info functions | 12:37 |
| StsN800 | if its unstripped | 12:37 |
| StsN800 | and info types | 12:37 |
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| StsN800 | it usually gives off interesting results | 12:39 |
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| StsN800 | especially if kernel module is unstripped.. | 12:49 |
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| Shezi | Hi | 13:45 |
| Shezi | Want to know, the built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses gstreamer on backend? | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Yes | 13:45 |
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| Shezi | So the metadata is also extracted from media files through GstList? | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | Don't know. | 13:46 |
| Shezi | ok | 13:47 |
| Shezi | Do you know if the file manager is using some plugin to extract metadata from files and storing them in local database or some xml file? | 13:47 |
| RST38h | File manager does not | 13:49 |
| RST38h | There is a metacrawler process for that | 13:49 |
| Shezi | hmm so the process name is metacrawler? | 13:50 |
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| Shezi | metalayer-crawler? | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | correct | 13:52 |
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| gnuton | re | 13:55 |
| Shezi | So is this metalyaer-crawler responsible for all types of files metadata, i.e. you have to put media type to the metadata_lib.conf file | 13:56 |
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| lardman | StsN800: it contains dwarves ;) | 13:59 |
| StsN800 | hmm. DWARF? | 14:00 |
| lardman | yes | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible to drag stuff out of | 14:01 |
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| lardman | it is | 14:02 |
| lardman | and has been done | 14:02 |
| lardman | still a big effort to re-write | 14:02 |
| lardman | best to hold our horses.... | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | mm. well i was talking about structure definitions, etc | 14:03 |
| lardman | yes, I seem to remember those | 14:04 |
| Shezi | any body knows if built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses , gstreamer to extract metadata information or libcrawler does it for it? | 14:04 |
| lardman | Shezi: look at some of the threads about ogg support - should tell you whether it's GStreamer which does the parsing | 14:04 |
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| kulve | Shezi: I think the metalayer crawler uses gstreamer to extract the metadata | 14:07 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: what to use to output the dwarf data? Someone sent me the original, not sure where I put it | 14:08 |
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| lardman | drawfdump | 14:09 |
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| lardman | dwarfdump even :) | 14:09 |
| Shezi | lardman: Well GStreamer has its own capability for geting meta data information, so i am thinking if metacrawler is also doing this. then :\? | 14:09 |
| StsN800 | doesnt gdb take dwarf? | 14:09 |
| lardman | Shezi: run ldd on the metacrawler binary and see if it uses gstreamer | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | try gdb pvr.ko, info types | 14:10 |
| lardman | StsN800: will have to wait till this evening when I have a Linux box available | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | k | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | prolly need a tablet with arm gdb | 14:10 |
| lardman | StsN800: and I hope that it won't actually be necessary to reverse engineer it anyway | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | yeah | 14:10 |
| Shezi | kulve: So you mean, that metalayer crawler is extracting information for media files through gstreamer, and for other files by itself? | 14:11 |
| kulve | Shezi: cat /usr/share/libmetalayer/metadata_lib.conf | 14:12 |
| Shezi | or is it just extracting information for only media files, which are coming in and going out of the system | 14:12 |
| Shezi | ok let me chk for lardman and kulve | 14:12 |
| Shezi | its not even installed in my scratchbox | 14:15 |
| kulve | it's probably on the device only | 14:15 |
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| Shezi | oh | 14:15 |
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| Shezi | well kulve : it shows extractors , as mp3 libmtext_mp3 | 14:17 |
| Shezi | amr libmtext_amr | 14:17 |
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| Shezi | so i think it uses some of its own features to extract the metadata from media files, instead of gstreamer | 14:17 |
| lardman | run names on the binary | 14:18 |
| kulve | Shezi: some of them have the word "gst" there (like ogg have) | 14:18 |
| Shezi | actually i dont have ogg entry | 14:20 |
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| Shezi | so might be is that, that for ogg entry, metalayer crawler is using gstreamer | 14:21 |
| Shezi | i think the entry should be ogg libmtext_gst | 14:22 |
| kulve | ogg-support adds that entry | 14:24 |
| kulve | ogg libmtext_gst | 14:24 |
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| kulve | yeah, that one | 14:24 |
| Shezi | so are these some kind of libraries libmtext_xxx | 14:24 |
| Shezi | liek for mp3, metalayer crawler will be using libmtext_mp3 library ? | 14:25 |
| kulve | I don't know what those actually are | 14:25 |
| Shezi | So, i think all the things are done by metalayer crawler, | 14:26 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: you about still? | 14:32 |
| Shezi | Ok i have found that, its all the responsiblility of metalayer crawler | 14:32 |
| Shezi | but what about file manager? what it uses to extract the meta information of files | 14:32 |
| lardman | I'm not sure it does.... | 14:32 |
| kulve | yeah, I don't think it does | 14:32 |
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| Shezi | well actualy it doesnt extract the meta information i think so. just getting the mime type from /usr/share/mime folder to identify the file its access date etc | 14:34 |
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| kulve | gnomevfs does the mimetype fetching for it, I guess | 14:35 |
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| kulve | (not sure how gnomevfs digs it up) | 14:35 |
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| Shezi | but if you have notice nautilus file manager, it extracts the file, its size, position, access date, attributes every thing in an xml file under $HOME/.nautilus/ *.xml file | 14:37 |
| Shezi | so i dont know the File Manager is doing the same, but have to see where it stores this metadata of file, | 14:37 |
| kulve | I doubt FM caches any data | 14:38 |
| Shezi | and i have seen the .meta_storage, the metalayer crawler is also not storing any thing there, any idea? | 14:39 |
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| Shezi | So is it like Gstreamer, who extracts the metadata and stores them in memory and shows it to the user and clear the memory | 14:41 |
| Shezi | ? | 14:41 |
| Shezi | any idea about metalayer crawler or FM that where it stores the metadata information? :) | 14:42 |
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| kulve | metalayer crawler is the one who creates the ~/.meta_storage. | 14:49 |
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| lardman | FM radio settings are in Gconf iirc | 14:57 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | "I want an implanted device connected in a mesh-network with fellow Nokians so we will be like the Borg. I hope Nokia reads this." | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | talk about fanboys.. | 15:27 |
| corq-FL | lol | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | but using tablets and mesh network, could actually be interesting.. | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and mesh networking does pose interesting possibilities for hidden activities.. | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:30 |
| w00t | OLPC is your next target, eh? | 15:31 |
| w00t | :P | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: actually there's a patch for the tablet for mesh, i believe | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast nokia's ICD is saner than NM so that it doesn't kill all tcp connections when I move from one end of the house to the other (2 APs) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | it actually does roaming? | 15:34 |
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| ShadowJK | eh I dunno, but if you stick both APs into the Connectivity Settings and set the same static IP on both, it just works(TM) | 15:38 |
| * RST38h just wants a StarTrek datapad | 15:39 | |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, you can't. People will whine that they don't fit in their pockets. Nevermind that startrek people don't have pockets | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: StarTrek designrs took care of that by using several differently sized pads | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Ironically it is not that much to ask nowadays... | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | Asus had this monstrous 12 page ad in a magazine, and there was something that looked like a big tablet.. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Asus has no big tablets. Never will, as they have crappy designers. | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | kinda hard to judge as there was no size reference next to the picture.. | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | Well you don't even need designers | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | Apple does fine without them | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | You just pay Sony to do it :-) | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | Apple designs its own gadgets | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Actually, their head designer started with toilet bowls ;) | 15:50 |
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| hydester | hi. i have os2008 on n800. it has been working great, but recently my video playback (media player) is green with a fuzzy display. almost like when video is digitally scrambled. yet if i open a menu in the media player or a system menu during the playback then the image is perfect, as i would expect. any ideas as to why this is happening and suggestions on how to fix it (outside of reinstall all)/ | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | happens only with some exact files, or all of them? | 16:39 |
| hydester | all | 16:39 |
| lardman | have you rebooted? | 16:39 |
| hydester | even the one from Nokia | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: hehe.. "have you tried turning it off and on" | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:39 |
| hydester | yes. i am guessing something i installed must have conflicted with it? | 16:39 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: one must ask ;) | 16:41 |
| hydester | i rebooted | 16:41 |
| hydester | yes | 16:41 |
| lardman | hydester: just strange that it goes away when you open a menu | 16:41 |
| hydester | yeah | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm pondering shift in color depth.. or something | 16:41 |
| hydester | when bad, the image is smaller than the media player view port | 16:41 |
| hydester | with wide green border on the bottom and right | 16:42 |
| hydester | i agree with the color depth | 16:42 |
| hydester | sounds resonable. | 16:42 |
| hydester | i wish i could reinstall media player | 16:42 |
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| hydester | but it isn't on the app list because it is a system app? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | you can always reflash :P | 16:42 |
| hydester | how reliable is the backup app? | 16:43 |
| hydester | i mean, what will i lose if i reflash? the installed apps and internal memory (not mmc1 or mmc2) | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, basically | 16:44 |
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| Stskeeps | and settings obviously | 16:44 |
| hydester | right, but backup/restore should fix that? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it did for me when i upgraded chinook->diablo | 16:44 |
| lardman | ~lart Google Maps for being really slow | 16:45 |
| * infobot raises middle finger to Google Maps for being really slow | 16:45 | |
| * Stskeeps has waited two hours for a debootstrap | 16:45 | |
| Stskeeps | (+ apt-get install) | 16:45 |
| hydester | lardman, you use try maemo mapper? | 16:45 |
| lardman | on WinXP Pc ;) | 16:46 |
| lardman | but yes | 16:46 |
| hydester | so if i backup, reflash, and restore.... wouldn't that theoretically put be back in the same state i am in? i.e. re-break the video? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | hydester: well it wouldn't keep the apps if you don't ask it to | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 16:47 |
| hydester | perhaps i can reinstall media player via red pill | 16:47 |
| hydester | feels very microsoftish to reinstall | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | well. technically you can probably apt-get install --reinstall <media player name> | 16:48 |
| hydester | ph | 16:48 |
| hydester | oh | 16:48 |
| lardman | hydester: that won't do anything, more likely a GStreamer element | 16:48 |
| hydester | lardman, what you mean not do anything? | 16:48 |
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| lardman | re-installing the player gui won't do anyting | 16:48 |
| hydester | so can reinstall gstreamer library? | 16:49 |
| lardman | you said the video was small when playing up, sounds like pixel doubling going wrong; does the player use that anyone? | 16:49 |
| hydester | osso-mediaengine | 16:50 |
| hydester | i guess that | 16:50 |
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| hydester | on another note, anybody use google reader for rss and know of a os2008 app to read offline/sync? | 16:59 |
| lardman | I wonder if you could try playing the video from the command line using the playbin command, might give you some output of interest | 17:00 |
| lardman | not sure really | 17:00 |
| lardman | and got to go do some work now too :) | 17:00 |
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| hydester | ok, thanks | 17:00 |
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| hydester | trying simple restore to old backup to see if it is a setting that got munged | 17:00 |
| lardman|afk | you'll need to install playbin from the repo - in one of the gstreamer packages, do a Google, etc. | 17:00 |
| lardman|afk | ok | 17:00 |
| hydester | ok, will try playbin next | 17:00 |
| lardman|afk | good luck, please do comment if you find anything and I'll have a look later on | 17:01 |
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| hydester | the reflash fixed the media player problem. but this may be a newer version of diablo, i am not sure. reinstalling apps now. although it appears the files in my home directory weren't restored. grrr | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 17:36 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to boot mer. | 17:37 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, debian's bzr is newer :P | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | we use bzr extensively so :P | 17:39 |
| * qwerty12 hopes mldonkey compiles meanwhile. I need my gnutella fix on the go :P | 17:39 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:39 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how is the mer-installer going? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: forward, didn't boot at first - logo is ok but i was thinking more in the direction of something dealing with an ocean | 17:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | ookay | 17:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | I think that logo is kinda "messy" | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i suspect timsamoff might be able to be pulled into making one, but we'll see if we at all can get this ship going :P | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, do you prefer py files with your pyc files? | 17:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | not needed, but they're always good to have :P | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, 'cos so far, bzrlib = 17 MB | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | I'll delete the py files :P | 17:49 |
| lardman|afk | Stskeeps: what kernel version are you using out of interest? | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: right now, any there is | 17:51 |
| lardman | same as Diablo in other words? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | (for now) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | solca has some interesting activities going on | 17:52 |
| lardman | yeah I saw :) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'll have install_mr committed in a couple of seconds | 17:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | (the old installer) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | then i'll start making on a more generic shell script imager | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer | 17:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | you need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | you need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum :P | 17:57 |
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| * Stskeeps wishes someone would make a md5sum package. | 17:57 | |
| Meiz_n810 | I don't have deblet installer right now, but all tools needed to install mer. BTW i will download md5sum from the link you have in deblet770wiki | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | i forgot i had a link for that | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | that works too | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
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| * Stskeeps grabs a beer | 18:04 | |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, what package provides the python tty module? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | er. | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | i'll be fucked if I know :) | 18:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | Is subversion available in extras? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | it should be part of python | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810, yer, I uploaded | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | it | 18:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hrm, on the computer then but certainly not for pymaemo | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 18:06 |
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| qwerty12 | ffs, it's part of the main python package. I don't have time to reinvent the wheel | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's fine, just another point something is horridly wrong in the land of maemo | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, k, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb and place http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/tty.py in /usr/lib/python2.5 . Testing = me seeing if it runs :P | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'll see if it breaks ;) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | well, "bzr log" : "bzr: ERROR: No module named getpass" | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | getpass sounds important... | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ...which means you want this too in ....../python-2.5 : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/getpass.py | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i owe you .. quite a couple | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 18:14 |
| * Meiz_n810 is installing mer with the installer... | 18:15 | |
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| lardman | home! | 18:16 |
| lardman | bbl | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: .. i have no idea why, but it seems to try to execute the .py file | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | on your http | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | shitfuck, lol >.< | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | haha, it did that too when I uploaded my router's web pages for testing | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | I'll tar them up | 18:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/libz.tar.gz | 18:18 |
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| `Mace | hi | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | lo mace | 18:19 |
| `Mace | hey Stskeeps .. still waiting on the sdk? | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | `Mace: sortof. we're going about things slowly | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | right now it's weekend. | 18:20 |
| `Mace | heh. not yet. still friday ;) | 18:20 |
| `Mace | well... at least here it is | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | `Mace, some could argue that the weekend starts there :P | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: seems to work so far :) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, cool :). may I suggest trying it on a little branch so if in the case of it being dodgy, it doesn't effectively rm -rf your entire work :) | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's a version control system, so damage is hard to accompolish :> | 18:22 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe, good :D | 18:22 |
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| `Mace | do e7400s have virtual machine instructions? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | which? :P | 18:25 |
| `Mace | i know certain intels are supposed to have virtualization instructions | 18:25 |
| `Mace | core2duo | 18:25 |
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| AStorm | some c2ds... and it requires mainboard support | 18:29 |
| AStorm | use the wiki | 18:29 |
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| `Mace | kinda sucks that ups doesn't deliver on saturdays anymore | 18:41 |
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| lardman | re | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 18:49 |
| lardman | ty | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | ello lardman | 18:50 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | weekend at last :-) | 18:50 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 18:50 |
| lardman | and the question, what to do? :) | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | I need rest :). Too much of me using the tablet and watching a good quality version of the dark knight y.day night :) | 18:54 |
| * qwerty12 puts away his geek cap | 18:54 | |
| lardman | hmm, I've not seen that yet | 18:55 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how the hell a ladybird has managed to survive in his apartment. | 18:57 | |
| qwerty12 | I liked it. According to the BBC, they want to re-release it in US cinemas again. | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, on your love. YOUR LOVE!!! | 18:57 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: aphid infestation? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: .. i think the plants here are dead | 18:58 |
| lardman | random ot question, I've got 3 monitors, but when I first boot Linux only one is available, if I restart the X server all 3 work, and ideas? | 18:58 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: very hardy aphids then! | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | int10 stuff? :P | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, give me 2 monitors and your problem will be gone :P | 18:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12: lol | 18:59 |
| Disconnect | for the record.. bug #1004.. after only 2 short years it might get fixed in the next release. now thats OSS at it's finest. :) | 18:59 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: dunno, why would that do anything? | 18:59 |
| Disconnect | (and its a whole 2 lines or so of patch :/ ..) | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: .. i've had weird issues with multiple gfx cards and xorg | 19:00 |
| lardman | I used to just ctrl-alt-del the login screen, but my computer was too sharp and started thinking it was crashing | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, re bug #987, all you need to do is: sed -i s/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 0'/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 1'/ /usr/share/<your favourite theme>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 19:11 |
| lardman | ah, good stuff :) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | seems to be working with the hildon desktop & help program :) | 19:13 |
| Proteous | or just /'@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\'\\'''\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | at least finish the statement, all I get from bash is ">" :( | 19:14 |
| Proteous | lol | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | added an "'" and "-bash: /@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\\\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq: No such file or directory" :P | 19:14 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me can't seem to find the jpeg decoder dsp pdfs | 19:28 |
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| * Stskeeps is having beer and making a image builder. | 19:33 | |
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| lardman | hmm, lots of source in the jpeg tarball | 19:34 |
| lardman | hi pH5 | 19:34 |
| solca | Hi Stskeeps! | 19:34 |
| pH5 | hej lardman | 19:35 |
| lardman | ah, solca, the kernel man :) | 19:35 |
| solca | and Hi everybody | 19:35 |
| solca | hi lardman | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | lo solca | 19:35 |
| lardman | solca: good work | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: so how well does the newest kernel work? i mean, everything works including stlc45xx, or? | 19:35 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: yea | 19:36 |
| solca | if you want to give it a try | 19:36 |
| solca | it is here: | 19:36 |
| solca | ttp://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android | 19:36 |
| solca | oops sorry: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i might eventually | 19:36 |
| lardman | solca: do you have a patch-set for that kernel? | 19:37 |
| solca | Meiz_n810 is helping me testing it | 19:37 |
| solca | lardman: sure | 19:37 |
| solca | give me a minute and I'll upload it | 19:37 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | solca, hi, do you have an N800 or an N810? | 19:38 |
| solca | in the mean time I put this page for the kexec thingy: http://guug.org/nit/kexec/ | 19:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Mer installer running... | 19:38 |
| solca | qwerty12: N810 | 19:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | have to wait a bit | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | solca, ah :/. I was hoping you had an N800 so that the touchscreen worked in android on N800. I did a dodgy port and the kernel didn't boot (nthcode's stuff). Thanks for all your work here, looks great! | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | solca: brilliant :) | 19:39 |
| solca | qwerty12: what's the difference between the touchscreens? | 19:39 |
| solca | Stskeeps: thx! | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | solca: we can possibly put initrd inside the kernel i guess? | 19:40 |
| solca | Stskeeps: the 2.6 kernel ships with initrd and initramfs | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:41 |
| solca | Stskeeps: I guess initramfs is what we are looking for | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | solca, N800 uses a tsc2301 and N810 uses an tsc2005. Driver wise, the two drivers are very similar but when I correctly applied the touchscreen modifications to tsc2301_ts.c, I was left with a kernel that didn't boot | 19:41 |
| solca | as it embedds in the zImage | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. was it possible to edit the kernel boot parameters? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | in CAL | 19:42 |
| solca | qwerty12: maybe you can check the modification I did to the tsc2005 and port it | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | solca, cool, will do, but I don't want to erase my only remaining sd again :( | 19:43 |
| solca | qwerty12: I must say are minimal modifications, much minimal than the patch at Linux_on_omap site | 19:43 |
| solca | Stskeeps: witk kexec? | 19:43 |
| solca | Stskeeps: if so, yes, you can arbitrarily pass kernel parameters | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | solca: well, i was thinking about how we can make a menu.lst type of thing without having to reflash the entire thing :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:43 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: I was thinking that it scans all partitions for something like /etc/boot.conf or something | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | that would possibly be costly though | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | time-wise | 19:44 |
| solca | yea | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | which was one reason why i had one in initfs | 19:45 |
| solca | the good thing about scanning is that you don't need to put menu.lst on a static y authoritative place | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:46 |
| solca | so it is much flexible | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | but if it adds 20-60 to boot time | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | and we have to guess which fs type it is.. | 19:46 |
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| Meiz_n810 | solca: i'll first try nth:s with your kernel. | 19:46 |
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| solca | hmm I thought it will take just some seconds asynchoronously | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | tried mounting jffs2 yet? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | lemme drag out a bootchart.. | 19:47 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: yea, initfs mounts in less than a second | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's small :P | 19:48 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: ok let me know so then you can test my android userspace | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | solca: so maybe having a minimal conf partition isn't a directly bad thing | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | with the kexec binary on it too | 19:48 |
| solca | Stskeeps: where and what size? | 19:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | solca: your u-space is 1.0 (the newer one) | 19:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 19:48 |
| solca | because that can solve a lot of things | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | solca: i guess where we have our initfs already :P | 19:48 |
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| solca | Meiz_n810: is 1.0 + devel stuff (android git) | 19:49 |
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| Meiz_n810 | k | 19:49 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: the things is that in initfs is where most of the proprietary stuff resides | 19:49 |
| solca | maybe not erase it | 19:49 |
| solca | but just add things | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | solca: yeah, but we can always amend | 19:49 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: but mmc and sd scanning is much faster, right? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | than mounting initfs? doubt it | 19:50 |
| solca | Stskeeps: yea you have convinced me, just mounting initfs read/only is very fast | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | and then we have a configuration with the places to get kernels from, exec, etc | 19:53 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: exactly | 19:54 |
| solca | better if it is something like boot.d/ so a distro installer just place it's file there | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | bootmenu.d :P | 19:54 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: :) | 19:55 |
| solca | well, now without the constraints of space we can do neat things | 19:56 |
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| solca | the kernel just needs to mount initfs and launch from there | 19:56 |
| solca | the ui | 19:56 |
| solca | kexec should be there too | 19:56 |
| Meizirkki | solca: nth android does not boot, only penguin at the top corner... | 19:57 |
| Meizirkki | then after a minute, it suffers | 19:57 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: it reboots because nobody is handling the watchdog | 19:57 |
| Meizirkki | it does not reboot | 19:57 |
| Meizirkki | it just power off | 19:57 |
| Meizirkki | btw, what should i do now | 19:57 |
| solca | Meizirkki: and do you try the kernel with console output? | 19:58 |
| Meizirkki | no | 19:58 |
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| Meizirkki | the "normal" | 19:58 |
| solca | Meizirkki: no, the one with console output | 19:58 |
| Meizirkki | i'll try the console-out next | 19:58 |
| solca | ok | 19:58 |
| Meizirkki | link? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | solca: qwerty12's the local initfs expert | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, meh, not really :) | 19:59 |
| solca | qwerty12 and Stskeeps: excellent! | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well we don't have fanoush in here, so you're next in line | 20:00 |
| solca | qwerty12: the initfs is based on ulibc? | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, true :) | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | solca, yep | 20:00 |
| solca | /ulibc/uclibc/g | 20:00 |
| Meizirkki | solca, can you give me the link for your kernels? | 20:00 |
| Meizirkki | i was using irc from tablet minute ago | 20:01 |
| solca | Meizirkki: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android-console | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | solca, we don't have a toolchain for the initfs so we have to use an generic toolchain for scratchbox that uses uclibc 0.9.28 (same version as the one in initfs but not the same if you get me) and compile binaries statically | 20:01 |
| solca | qwerty12: but we must link dinamically with the uclibc | 20:01 |
| solca | otherwise the bineries will be huge | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: doesn't fanoush know? he seems to have made utelnetd | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | solca, thankfully, a static compile with uclibc isn't that bad. an hello world example, unstripped, glibc: 400kb uclibc: 40kb. after stripping, uclibc makes it 12kb | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, he compiles statically too | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | kk | 20:03 |
| solca | qwerty12: in that case is not a problem, I just statically compile the kexec and it was like 500KB | 20:03 |
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| solca | it seems it use glibc instead of uclibc I presume :) | 20:03 |
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| qwerty12 | solca, I use http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/deb/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-uclibc0.9.28_1.0.4_i386.deb for scratchbox 1 and set up a new target setting that as my toolchain | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | solca, here are examples of binaries I've compiled: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/ | 20:05 |
| Meizirkki | !!!!! | 20:05 |
| solca | if both are the same versions why static? or are not fully compatible? | 20:05 |
| Meizirkki | Android will not boot if ext-card is inserted... | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | did not know that | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | solca, not compatible :(. I hoped it would be when I started but I always get symbol errors if I don't compile statically | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | Well, it does not boot anyway... | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: something to prod nokia about | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | (uclibc) | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, fanoush opened a bug and the responses, to be frankly honest, have been shit | 20:07 |
| solca | Meizirkki: so what the console said? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 20:07 |
| Meizirkki | solca: with your kernel, it shows me the messages and then the nth code splash comes up | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: got one per chance? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | a # i mean | 20:07 |
| solca | Meizirkki: well time to try my userspace android | 20:08 |
| Meizirkki | when the ext card is inserted it will not even shoe the nthcode screen | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, #3373 | 20:08 |
| Meizirkki | solca: ok | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373 | 20:08 |
| solca | Meizirkki: it's uploading now... | 20:08 |
| solca | Meizirkki: that behavior is weird, with the nth kernel the same thing? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ta | 20:09 |
| Meizirkki | solca: my bsod might have been about that card... | 20:09 |
| solca | qwerty12: maybe we can create out own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version | 20:09 |
| solca | s/out/our/g | 20:09 |
| infobot | solca meant: qwerty12: maybe we can create our own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version | 20:09 |
| solca | Meizirkki: probably it is damaged? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: he basically says it's cross-compiled without sb | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | solca, I hope so :). I tried last time but failed dismally due to not having much experience with toolchains & uclibc making | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | solca: it have always been a bit weird... | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | maybe corrupted... | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, bullshit. I've seen a lot of scratchbox strings in the binaries | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, ok | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: prod council people to drag a bit at getting a resolution to this? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | is uclibc gpl? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I dunno what they can do, a bug was failed and that is the best we get... | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:11 |
| solca | qwerty12: I was like a month ago porting n8x0 support for openwrt, I build successfully a toolchaing based on uclibc | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, lgpl | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | solca, great! | 20:12 |
| solca | qwerty12: if you give me the exact version I can try targetting that | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | solca, hrm, i'll try and figure it out | 20:12 |
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| solca | qwerty12: good! | 20:12 |
| Meizirkki | solca: weird, nth-splash never comes up with your "normal" kernel (the one that does not show the boot msgs) | 20:14 |
| Meizirkki | with console kernel nth splash is shown | 20:14 |
| solca | Meizirkki: both kernel are the same just that the one with the console have an extra kernel parameter: console=tty0 | 20:15 |
| Meizirkki | they still behave differently... | 20:15 |
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| Meizirkki | i'll try again | 20:15 |
| solca | Meizirkki: ok, i'll let you know when the android stuff finish landing in the webserver | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | no, something is wrong with filesystem.. | 20:16 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: ok | 20:16 |
| solca | Meizirkki: what is wrong? | 20:17 |
| Meizirkki | i have android rootfs in both mmcblk0p1 and 0p3, now any kernel i have tried will show me nth splash (even the nth kernel) | 20:18 |
| Meizirkki | okay, the nth one shows.. | 20:18 |
| solca | qwerty12: do you know if the same kernel can target N770, N800, N810? | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | solca, for N800 and N810, you should be able to. for N770, most probably not | 20:20 |
| solca | qwerty12: ok | 20:21 |
| solca | qwerty12: do you have both n800 and n810? | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12 | solca, no, just an N800 :) | 20:21 |
| solca | ok, at least we can test on this devices | 20:21 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: you were talking about watchdog? | 20:22 |
| Meizirkki | your kernel shows me the bootmsgs and nth splash | 20:22 |
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| Meizirkki | but not android splash or android | 20:22 |
| solca | Meizirkki: so? | 20:22 |
| Meizirkki | it power offs | 20:22 |
| Meizirkki | can it be about watchdog? | 20:23 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: my userspace honours the watchdogs so the machine will not reboot | 20:23 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: other thing is that my kernels boots to /init | 20:23 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:23 |
| solca | Meizirkki: and it can be that nth runs another script first before /init, maybe /linuxrc or something | 20:24 |
| Meizirkki | there is init.rc on nths rootfs | 20:24 |
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| Meizirkki | i give up with nth:s rootfs... | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | it only works with their kernel... | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | solca, I'm pretty sure that the uclibc version is just 0.9.28. I've grepped and ran strings on all the libs and binaries and all I get back is 0.9.28. uclibc is compiled with gcc 3.4.4 which is part of the 2005q3-2 codesourcery toolchain | 20:26 |
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| solca | qwerty12: openwrt have gcc 3.4.6 | 20:35 |
| solca | but not 3.4.4 | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | solca, I don't know then, gcc 3.4.4 is the default for the diablo sdk too :) | 20:36 |
| solca | so we can pick the same compiler but we don't have the uclibc they use? | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 20:37 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: finally it is uploaded | 20:39 |
| solca | it wights 32MB | 20:39 |
| solca | weights | 20:39 |
| solca | http://guug.org/nit/android/rootfs-android_git20081205.tar.bz2 | 20:40 |
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| solca | qwerty12: I can't find codesourcery's 2005q3-2 | 20:42 |
| solca | most near is 2005Q1B | 20:42 |
| AStorm | build your own cross | 20:42 |
| Meizirkki | solca: thanks | 20:43 |
| AStorm | there are even newer | 20:43 |
| AStorm | like, 2007 codesourcery | 20:43 |
| qwerty12 | solca, http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/releases/2005q3-2 | 20:43 |
| Meizirkki | Will there soon be ability to dualboot maemo/android? | 20:43 |
| solca | AStorm: we want to target the exact same versions used in the initfs | 20:43 |
| solca | qwerty12: thx! | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, we need to maintain compatibility. and nokia have deemed it so that they used the 2005q3-2 toolchain | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | solca, :) | 20:44 |
| solca | ;) | 20:44 |
| solca | Meizirkki: yes, that is the idea, have a nice bootselector | 20:44 |
| Meizirkki | great :) | 20:44 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12, uhm? | 20:46 |
| AStorm | it's standard eabi | 20:46 |
| AStorm | it will work with any version (excluding possible bugs) | 20:46 |
| solca | AStorm: eabi was introduced on gcc 4.1 | 20:47 |
| solca | AStorm: prior to that it depends | 20:47 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, maybe so. but the point of this toolchain is to replicate the one nokia don't seem to be giving out as closely as possible. | 20:47 |
| AStorm | ... arm gnueabi :) | 20:47 |
| AStorm | 2005q3 does it | 20:47 |
| AStorm | as does any other new gcc :) | 20:48 |
| AStorm | why do you care so much for them? | 20:48 |
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| AStorm | they should be able to compile code for newer gcc too | 20:48 |
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| AStorm | it works worse the other way around | 20:49 |
| solca | AStorm: not really, the best for many people is gcc-3.4.6 | 20:49 |
| solca | for me 4.2 is good but 4.3 sucks | 20:49 |
| AStorm | hmm | 20:49 |
| solca | Meizirkki: remember to put the android stuff in mmcblock0p3 in ext3fs | 20:50 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: yep | 20:55 |
| AStorm | solca, isn't ext3 not the best fs for mmc? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | better than ext2 fucking up | 20:56 |
| AStorm | yeah, scanning takes a while | 20:56 |
| AStorm | but reiserfs should fare better | 20:57 |
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| AStorm | (tree distributes data more equally over space) | 20:57 |
| andrewfblack | anyone know where I can find libqt3-mt? | 20:57 |
| Meizirkki | solca: stucks to the penguin in top cortner... | 20:58 |
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| AStorm | qt3? no idea | 20:59 |
| Meizirkki | solca: with serial-console kernel, i get into android boot screen after waiting a bit, and then there is only screen with some horizontal lines on it, then it poweroffs | 21:00 |
| Meizirkki | !!! | 21:01 |
| Meizirkki | works now! | 21:01 |
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| Meizirkki | WTF? | 21:02 |
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| Meizirkki | i get into main screen, then after laggigng it shows me android splash and gets me back to the main | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm gonna harass integration about getting a real address. . . . | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | evening GA | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Stskeeps. | 21:03 |
| Meizirkki | solca: unable to start Wi-Fi | 21:03 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: hmm | 21:05 |
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| Meizirkki | driver loads at boot | 21:06 |
| solca | Meizirkki: does it works for you? | 21:06 |
| solca | which kernel are you using? | 21:06 |
| AStorm | which driver? new open one? | 21:06 |
| Meizirkki | Android works even better than the nth one but i still get "unable to start wifi" your kernel with serial console | 21:07 |
| Meizirkki | ? | 21:07 |
| Meizirkki | it booted suddenly | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you have the link handy for that internal card partitioning? | 21:07 |
| Meizirkki | should i try the kernel with no serial-console | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 21:08 |
| solca | Meizirkki: yea I have running like from 3 hours ago android with wifi | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 21:08 |
| solca | Meizirkki: yea try the one without console | 21:08 |
| Meizirkki | k | 21:08 |
| solca | AStorm: yea the open source one | 21:09 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: Android Debugger Bridge (ADB) works too and it is enabled | 21:09 |
| solca | Meizirkki: so you can get into | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm. soup is good in winter. | 21:09 |
| towo | soup.io is good all the time. | 21:10 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: android never comes up with the normal kernel (no boot msgs) :( | 21:12 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: hmm I have a feeling that you need to --set-rd-flags=serial-console | 21:13 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: with nokias flasher? | 21:14 |
| solca | Meizirkki: for some reason that I have the same problem when this flag is not set | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800, I bugged pancake the other day about Nokia opening the flasher. | 21:14 |
| solca | Meizirkki: yea with flasher-3.0 | 21:14 |
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| Meizirkki | !!! | 21:15 |
| Meizirkki | it boots :) | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, cool, thanks. I'd love to see more improvments to 0xFFFF | 21:15 |
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| solca | Meizirkki: good! lets see if everything else works for you | 21:16 |
| solca | Meizirkki: the wifi driver is loaded at early boot | 21:16 |
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| Meizirkki | still unable to start wifi :( | 21:16 |
| solca | Meizirkki: get into with adb | 21:16 |
| solca | Meizirkki: download it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb | 21:17 |
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| andrewfblack | is it just me or is downloading from penguinbait's site slow | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | it is dead slow | 21:20 |
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| andrewfblack | what is he hosting it on his home computer? | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | i think he's running it on a 770 qemu on the former maemo.org 770 cluster | 21:21 |
| andrewfblack | do you need a powered up for a full size sd reader? Anyone know? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/up/hub/ ? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | If so, usually. | 21:23 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: how can i get the wifi info | 21:23 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: ifconfig -a | 21:24 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: /nit/bin/ifconfig -a | 21:24 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: do you get in with ADB? | 21:25 |
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| Meiz_5500 | Abd? | 21:25 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: Android Debugger Bridge (or something like that :) | 21:26 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: get it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb | 21:26 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: is a binary for x86 | 21:26 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: run it with: ./adb shell | 21:26 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: and it will give you a shell inside the Android OS on you NIT | 21:26 |
| Meiz_5500 | i can no more use computer, have to go to sleep... | 21:27 |
| Meiz_5500 | i am 14 | 21:27 |
| Meiz_5500 | :) | 21:27 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: ok, if you find any problems please tell me so I can fix it | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_5500, 16 and i have to get off mine 2 hours before you :P | 21:28 |
| Meiz_5500 | where do you live? | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | London, UK :) | 21:29 |
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| Meiz_5500 | i live in finland | 21:30 |
| Meiz_5500 | 21.30 here :P | 21:31 |
| solca | 13:31 here :) | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, cool :). 7:31 pm here (yes, I <3 12-hour, don't hate me :P) | 21:32 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: n810 keyboard seems to not work in androids built in terminal emulator :( | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | "5500"? :P | 21:34 |
| Meiz_5500 | Qwerty12_N800: not gonna hate you :P | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_5500, *grin* :D | 21:34 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: it seems I put a wrong keymap | 21:35 |
| solca | will fix it | 21:35 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: do you have any stability issues? | 21:35 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: and what about speed? | 21:35 |
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| Meiz_5500 | Solca: no stability probr this fap | 21:36 |
| Meiz_5500 | Speed is good, better than with nths | 21:37 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: how much better? | 21:37 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: so your only problems are that wifi is not working for you and my bad about the keymap layout? | 21:38 |
| Meiz_5500 | i haven't used the nth one a lot... It was crashy | 21:38 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: oh and do you enable wifi in the settings screen? | 21:40 |
| Meiz_5500 | Wait a bit... | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | stlc45xx-cal? | 21:40 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: notepad does not even start | 21:41 |
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| Meiz_5500 | solca: hw keyboard does not work | 21:41 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: it starts for me but if I press any key it exits | 21:41 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: yea was a bad keymap layout I'm figuring right now | 21:42 |
| solca | Stskeeps: what about stlc45xx-cal? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | is it runned? :P | 21:42 |
| * solca solca's english doesn't understand what runned means :( | 21:43 | |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: just crashed weird way | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. apologies, is it run on boot? :P | 21:44 |
| Meiz_5500 | slowly faded away | 21:44 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: I would need that you get into the NIT and get at least a dmesg | 21:44 |
| solca | Stskeeps: yes it runs on boot | 21:44 |
| solca | after there are 2 more interfaces | 21:45 |
| solca | wlan0 and wmaster0 | 21:45 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: maybe after I fix the keyboard thing you can use the terminal | 21:46 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: ohh and I need to figure out why just with rd-flag=serial-console works | 21:47 |
| solca | maybe because the kernel have a parameter console=ttyS1 | 21:47 |
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| Meiz_5500 | solca: i have wpa security... Does that matter? | 21:48 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: yes it matters, in that case android have to setup wpa_supplicant but I have not tested | 21:49 |
| solca | that yet, just plain open wifi | 21:49 |
| Meiz_5500 | Ok | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_5500: so it actually sees the wifi networks? | 21:49 |
| Meiz_5500 | Not yet | 21:50 |
| Meiz_5500 | but solca said he got it working | 21:50 |
| Meiz_5500 | Shit | 21:51 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: yea, but I need to know if the module is loading in your end | 21:51 |
| Meiz_5500 | crashed again.. | 21:51 |
| Meiz_5500 | ok | 21:51 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: how it crashed? | 21:52 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: can you trigger it? | 21:52 |
| Meiz_5500 | The main screen slowly faded away | 21:52 |
| solca | hmm like a screensaver? | 21:53 |
| Meiz_5500 | Not screensaver.. | 21:53 |
| Meiz_5500 | Now there is only hortizontal lines on the screen | 21:54 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: can you trigger it or is random? | 21:55 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: can you load the console output kernel and check if some lines with stlc45xx show up in the screen | 21:56 |
| solca | that way we can figure out if the wifi module is loading | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...Looks like both 5800 and N97 are based on OMAP2 | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting | 22:01 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|gone: pong | 22:04 |
| lardman|afk | Jaffa: not to worry, was wanting a CD translated from oo to m$ | 22:04 |
| lardman|afk | but found a pc with oo on it | 22:04 |
| lardman|afk | s/CD/CV | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | lardman|afk: ah, cool. | 22:08 |
| * Jaffa redownstairs for now then | 22:08 | |
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| lardman | thanks | 22:08 |
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| z4chh | how can i install man pages on my n800? | 22:10 |
| lardman | bbl | 22:10 |
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| Meiz_5500 | Solca: it have crashed now 3 times, but i have no idea why... | 22:11 |
| Meiz_5500 | and it loads the wifi driver at boot | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | z4chh, just look at them on the website | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-man | 22:12 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ | 22:12 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: yea it crash for me too but it is very random | 22:12 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: the kernel with console crashes too? | 22:13 |
| Meiz_5500 | I have not tested yet | 22:13 |
| z4chh | GeneralAntilles, eww u | 22:13 |
| z4chh | i like cli man* ;p | 22:13 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: I can't figure what is going on here, maybe I'll compile a full debugging kernel | 22:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | z4chh, well, they're not exactly space-friendly. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you really like CLI man more than an extra 20MB of flash? | 22:15 |
| Meiz_5500 | Solca: when i go to settings and click "start wifi" it says unable to start. When i click " airplane mode" it says unable to stop it. Weird. | 22:16 |
| z4chh | GeneralAntilles, yes :D | 22:17 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: ok, I'll fix the keyboard thing and ping you so we can find out was going in with the wifi | 22:20 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: BTW thanks for all your help!! | 22:20 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: hopefully the crash is not related with the wifi module | 22:21 |
| Meiz_5500 | I don't think so | 22:21 |
| Meiz_5500 | nth android crashed same way | 22:22 |
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| abinader | anyone experienced problems with 'pyversions not found' when creating debian packages of python apps? | 22:23 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: nth's crash exactly in the same way? (screen fading) | 22:23 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i tested my memcard and found i have 4mb/s for writing and 8mb/s for reading | 22:23 |
| Meiz_5500 | yes | 22:23 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is the n800 capable of using all that bandwidth ? | 22:23 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: yes | 22:23 |
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| disco_stu | because im about to buy a new one, and class6 seems nice | 22:25 |
| disco_stu | i dont know if is worth | 22:25 |
| dick-richardson | how do I get a list of files in all subdirectories without the subdirectory itself? | 22:25 |
| disco_stu | ls -R dir | 22:25 |
| dick-richardson | that shows the subdirectory names | 22:25 |
| dick-richardson | I don't want that | 22:25 |
| disco_stu | explainme again | 22:26 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: I mostly trigger it when moving the desktop with the finger | 22:26 |
| Meiz_5500 | Solca: now it faded to white! | 22:26 |
| dick-richardson | I have a directory that itself contains directories and files. I want a list of all the files without any directories | 22:26 |
| dick-richardson | even files IN those subdirectories | 22:27 |
| dick-richardson | so /example/ contains /example/test/, /example/test1.txt, /example/test/test2.txt | 22:27 |
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| dick-richardson | I only want a result that shows test1.txt and test2.txt...NOT test/ | 22:28 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: when i start android or try to switch wifi on, it shows me "sorry com.android.setting is not responding" | 22:29 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: on the screen? | 22:30 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: I found it: blizzard.c: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready | 22:31 |
| solca | but I don't know what it means | 22:32 |
| solca | then the screen fades | 22:32 |
| solca | it seems it is a timing issue | 22:33 |
| solca | jiffies + msecs_to_jiffies(30); | 22:33 |
| solca | the question is if 30ms is a too much or too little to wait for the line buffer | 22:34 |
| solca | w'll try waiting more time and see if it fixed the problem | 22:35 |
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| Meiz_5500 | K | 22:37 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: I put 300ms to wait and the same error: omapfb omapfb: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready | 22:38 |
| Meiz_5500 | The app not responding seems to be related with wifi-driver | 22:39 |
| disco_stu | dick-richardson: think i got it | 22:40 |
| dick-richardson | i'm still here :) | 22:40 |
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| disco_stu | dick-richardson: well not sure | 22:41 |
| disco_stu | but | 22:41 |
| disco_stu | try this: ls -R |cut -d : -f 2 | 22:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi lcuk | 22:42 |
| lcuk | hiya | 22:42 |
| dick-richardson | that's close enough! thank you! | 22:42 |
| disco_stu | dick-richardson: no problem man :) | 22:42 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: I insert a micro delay in the blizzard driver and the crash seems to be gone | 22:44 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: can you test it? | 22:44 |
| solca | Meiz_5500: you need to download the kernel again | 22:44 |
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| solca | stlc45xx: v0.1.3 loaded | 22:47 |
| solca | stlc45xx: config buffer 0x20200-0x2060b | 22:47 |
| solca | stlc45xx: tx 0x2060c-0x23917, rx 0x23918-0x27c5f | 22:47 |
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| disco_stu | dick-richardson: are you there ? | 22:47 |
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| disco_stu | if you want to remove blank lines you can try: ls -R |cut -d : -f 2|grep -E [a-zA-Z1-9] | 22:49 |
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| Meiz_5500 | solca: maybe, but i think i have to wait for tomorrow... :( | 22:51 |
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| solca | Meiz_5500: ok, no prob, thx for the help | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_5500: .. Nokia 5500, btw? | 23:02 |
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| Meiz_5500 | Stskeeps: yes | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:06 |
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| Meiz_5500 | i have android with no wlan on n810, so i have to use this | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no problems with bzr so far | 23:12 |
| andrewfblack | does wlan not work on android for n810? | 23:12 |
| Meiz_5500 | solca: android seems to fade away often when charger is plugged in. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | lack of BME maybe | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, great! I was gonna ask you :D | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/VdEbel44.html :> | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | (image builder) | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | it makes more sense when you see rest of files | 23:16 |
| Meiz_5500 | andrewfblack: when booten in to the new android, (the one used in G1) it is not working. It might work with the latest kernel by solca | 23:16 |
| andrewfblack | ahh does wlan work on the install on itT? | 23:16 |
| Meiz_5500 | Should work. | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, i still want my xephyr & af-sb-init clone thing for the x86 chroot :p | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yea, i agree | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | combined with xoo that'd help a lot | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, looks good though, i'd like to try out mer properly soon :) | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | i just had it booting earlier, though i didn't test the hildon | 23:18 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: does MER have a homepage? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 23:29 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. i gues | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | s | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | no, we don't have a direct homepage except the launchpad one | 23:30 |
| solca | which one would you like mentioned here? http://guug.org/nit/ | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm, go for launchpad one for nw | 23:32 |
| solca | ok | 23:33 |
| solca | Stskeeps: do you have an idea about the name of the boot selector? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | nop, you're feel to choose | 23:34 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: I just put it nitselector for now | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:34 |
| solca | Stskeeps: but I don't "feel it" apropriately | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | The Selectorr. | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | or, to follow in the recent trend in maemo apps.. | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | "Advanced Bootmenu" | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess the advanced prefix only counts for non-free non-advanced | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | you should definately show your experiments to fanoush, he might be intruiged | 23:36 |
| solca | I don't know him, does he lurks here? | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | fanoush is omnipotent | 23:38 |
| solca | by the way MER = Maemo Reconstructed, right? or it have a special meaning? | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | solca: well, we can't call it Maemo. Mer is just ocean in french, or slang "More" in danish :P | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | it was called M-R Proof of Concept.. and then we went for Mer | 23:38 |
| lcuk | go all the way and call it "meh!" | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | fanoush is the guy who did bootmenu, and a load of other hacks, he's on iTT usually | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i found the dasterdly bug | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | (http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/) | 23:39 |
| solca | Stskeeps: ok, so how can I call Mer? "Alternative Software for the NIT platform" ? | 23:39 |
| solca | Stskeeps: without angering Nokia ppl | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | solca: for now it's just a research project / community distribution | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | (read: a bunch of semi-insane people repackaging all the open source hildon+maemo platform stuff on top of ubuntu.) | 23:40 |
| andre___ | NIT? Can't we just say Maemo? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: well, hw vs sw | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | maemo is the sw, hw is the nits :P | 23:41 |
| andre___ | hmm | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | so you can't say mer is a alternative for maemo | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | (.. depending on definition) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow. back to hacking. | 23:41 |
| andre___ | right :-/ | 23:41 |
| * andre___ shuts up and goes back to preparing tomorrow's bugzilla reorg | 23:41 | |
| lcuk | if GeneralAntilles was here im sure he would delight in telling you about trademakr positioning (hiya gan) | 23:41 |
| solca | Stskeeps: that's description is better | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i can find one webhit for the dodgy file ive got | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | targeted virus? :P | 23:44 |
| lcuk | and thats on legit mozilla russian dev forum \@/ | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | maybe | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, got hit by the greasemonkey trojan maybe? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | no, that was the first thing i started checking | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | at first i put it down to specifically the 3.0.4 update and crappy JS new upgrade | 23:45 |
| lcuk | then i saw the gm thing and started investigating | 23:45 |
| lcuk | ahhh well ill reinstall as soon as i do a full backup | 23:46 |
| lcuk | at least one good thing has come out of all this | 23:48 |
| lcuk | i now know my wifi password | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lol :P | 23:48 |
| * lcuk can see his code | 23:50 | |
| lcuk | back tomorrow | 23:50 |
| lcuk | or later | 23:50 |
| lcuk | whichever comes first | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, somebody need educating? :P | 23:56 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, "NIT" refers to Nokia's product, calling Mer "Maemo" would be using a Nokia trademark for somebody else's product. | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On that note, andre___, do you need/want any help? | 23:57 |
| andre___ | I just wonder if anybody out there really know the term "NIT" | 23:57 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, oh cool - thanks for the offer | 23:57 |
| * lcuk scratches his head | 23:57 | |
| lcuk | gah! i was meant to be gone | 23:57 |
| andre___ | right now just creating a few products in advance, because there's no batch mode for that | 23:57 |
| andre___ | and taking care that all products have the same versions and TMs so I don't run into problems tomorrow | 23:58 |
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| andre___ | so I can't think of something were you can help, but really thanks for the offer, i appreciate that | 23:58 |
| andre___ | s/were/where | 23:58 |
| andre___ | so there's some noise in the query products field now for the next 12 hours. i think we can live with that | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, yeah, I kinda figured. That's why I offered. :P :D | 23:59 |
| andre___ | hehehe | 23:59 |
| andre___ | ;-) | 23:59 |
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