IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-12-06

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andre___GeneralAntilles, maybe you could stand at the bugzilla entrance tomorrow and tell everybody who wants to enter "come back with better clothing in 6 hours, you can't enter here looking like that"00:00
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GeneralAntilles"We're trying to ritz up the place, GTFO."00:01
Stskeepswe're getting hello kitty theme for bugzilla?00:02
GeneralAntillesOh god00:02
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GeneralAntillesandre__, pleaaaase? :D00:02
GeneralAntillesThat would make a fantastic april fools00:02
andre__GeneralAntilles, yes. I'm backporting that from GNOME Bugzilla, see:
lcukold though00:03
lcukomg ponies! beat everything00:03
woglindehe lcuk00:03
Stskeepsandre__: hah00:03
lcukhiya woglinde00:03
lcukim not meant to be here00:03
* lcuk is sufferin withdrawal symptoms though00:04
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andre__I also plan to change the start page to look like this maybe:
GeneralAntillesHello Kitty would definitely send the message that is no longer a Nokia site. :D00:04
GeneralAntillesHiya, konttori!00:04
andre__we all love MS Word, don't we?00:04
Stskeepsandre__: :>00:05
GeneralAntillesI don't think I've used Word in at least 3 years.00:05
andre__me neither00:05
* GeneralAntilles wonders how we can con Nokia into paying INdT to put together a Hello Kitty theme. . . .00:06
lcukGeneralAntilles, when they come through with the new page design it will be css anyway00:06
lcukyou can skin it yourself00:06
Stskeepsn900 with hello kitty cover..00:07
Stskeepsthat'd sell.00:07
lcukthat was slash a while back00:07
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the key words to pay attention to there are "Nokia" and "paying". :P00:07
lcukshouldnt they be paying me or you to do it :P :D00:07
GeneralAntillesMaddox did a OMG ponies/Hello Kitty theme for April Fool's one year.00:07
lcukmind you, you would do it for free00:08
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GeneralAntillesI do everything for free. :(00:08
lcuki know, you are a cheap date00:08
GeneralAntillesMaybe I'll get lucky like the French did for the N810s and get a free tablet. :P00:09
* lcuk buys gen another drink00:09
lcukif oyu put your tablets close enough they mate00:09
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GeneralAntillesMaybe if I leave the Beagle lying around it'll be an N900? :P00:09
Stskeepsso maemo summit, was actually an orgy, lcuk?00:09
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lcukim quite sure there was00:10
lcuksome of the nokians kept emerging from rooms looking very flustered00:10
andre__if i could only remember anything from Maemo summit... :-P00:10
lcukright, im goin for real now, but im not disconnecting00:11
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m-c-Hello hackers -- I am trying to do the Easy Debian Turbo-Charged Edition, and the first step is getting easy-deb-chroot from Extras.  This package is not showing up in my Application Manager, and when I try to click the link on the ITT forum, I get an error that the package is not found.  I feel like I am missing something obvious - am I using an incorrect Maemo version?  Or on the other hand, is it just not there?  http://repository.m00:30
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Stskeepsm-c-: feel free to split up in multiple lines :P00:30
lcuki think its kinda cute how its a wall of text00:31
woglindehow cute00:31
ShadowJKThose damn ircd coders and their arbitrary limits ;)00:31
andre__"http://repository." misses a verb.00:31
woglindeqtnx and nx are working on the freerunner00:31
woglindeand no problem with the illumne keyboard00:31
lcukm-c-, the best person to ask would be qole, he is very regulat on internettablettalk and since easy debian is his he could guide you - but you have read the howto posting i gather00:32
Stskeepsw00t: get freenode to allow more than 512 characters in a message!00:32
m-c-lcuk: okay, I will shoot him a PM there - thanks!!00:33
lcukfreenode is 420 i believe00:33
Stskeepsm-c-: there's also long threads about easy debian, probably better to prod there00:33
Stskeepslcuk: yeah, but when speaking ircd coder to ircd coder, a message is the entire thing :P00:33
lcukm-c-, read the thread first, it would be inpolite to just pm him if you havent at least tried00:33
m-c-Stskeeps: 39 pages of messages in that thread!00:34
w00tStskeeps: stop being so full of hot air! :P00:34
lcukm-c-, i know that feeling, if you are still alive after that, you should try liqbase00:34
lcukits only 2500:34
Stskeepsw00t: but the fast food was so good..00:34
lcukmind you most people have fun by just watching the video here and then playing themselves00:35
Stskeepsw00t: you should fear my image builder..00:35
m-c-but you dont think I am missing something obvious with failing to install easy-deb-chroot?  I thought it was a popular package00:35
Stskeepsm-c-: there's nothing ordinary about the package, either00:35
m-c-:)  okay, thanks for your responses.00:36
lcukand thanks for splitting up the rest of your lines00:36
lcuk(incidentally, try liqbase if you just want to relax)00:36
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GeneralAntilles39 pages isn't all that long.00:41
GeneralAntillesYou can get through that in 10-15 minutes if you scan.00:41
m-c-I'd be nice if a page actually fit on the browser page, without having to scroll down.  Would make it faster.  Auto-pagination.  Imagine.00:42
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GeneralAntillesThen it'd be 390 pages00:43
m-c-Alternatively putting all the messages on one page...00:43
lcukand using liqbase autoscrolling ;)00:44
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lcukyou could probably make some autoscript to grab next page when you reach the bottom00:45
lcukive seen it on some sites00:45
lcukthat has it - scroll down steadily when you get ~ 40 it loads the next set00:45
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zakkmon vlc's changelog it mentions an official maemo port?00:46
zakkmMaemo Port:00:47
zakkm * New Maemo port with:00:47
zakkm   - an interface based on Hildon framework.00:47
zakkm   - scaler based on the swscale_nokia770 library.00:47
zakkmwhere abouts would i find that?00:47
woglindewhat the hack is swscale_nokia770 library?00:47
zakkmsoftware scaling?00:47
zakkmfor nokia n770?00:47
zakkmno idea what that is.. but i believe swscale = software scaling00:47
woglindeI dont want to know what it is really doing00:48
zakkmbut apparantly its official now?00:48
Stskeepsscales your porn for you00:48
m-c-Looks like other people are having problems getting the easy-deb-chroot, too, according to the message thread (ty, G.A.  :)00:48
zakkmStskeeps always knows how to get the most of his handheld devices00:49
andre__garr... at least i find inconsistencies *before* running into problems tomorrow. good choice.00:49
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Stskeepszakkm: saw a funny thread on an iphone forum..00:49
zakkmStskeeps: installing deblet now by the way, use neighbors wifi and its barely on00:49
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zakkmwhat it say?00:50
Stskeepssomething about the success of any given smartphone depends on the feasibility of watching porn on it..00:50
zakkmbtw is "installing deblet " a bash script?00:50
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Stskeepsnop, python script00:51
Stskeepsthe new image builder for mer is shell though00:51
Stskeepsbut less user friendly :P00:51
zakkmkept wanting to fail on me and i dont wanna keep starting from beginning ;p00:51
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zakkmthought i could just edit, delete the top part of script.. and run * proper cutting *00:51
zakkmseems all good now though so far00:51
zakkmi chose keblet-basic ?00:51
Stskeepsno idea if keblet works00:52
zakkmis it usable? performance wise00:52
Stskeepsi only used lxde myself00:52
Stskeepsand our xfce back when we had it00:52
zakkmwas so slow for me in easy debian ;p00:52
zakkmwell on nokia00:52
zakkmon pc... damn fast00:52
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zakkmwow getting 352kb/s with neighbors wifi00:53
Stskeepslxde was fast on deblet, i think00:53
zakkmcan i just apt-get that later?00:53
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Stskeepstechnically yeah00:54
zakkmStskeeps: Note, selecting tablet-hw-n8x0-support instead of tablet-hw-rx-34-support00:54
Stskeepsthat's fine00:54
zakkmis it suppose to say that?00:54
Stskeepsrx-34 is n800 :P00:54
zakkmdoes it use xinitrc?00:54
zakkmi have n800 ?00:54
Stskeepsnop, kdm00:54
zakkmoh really00:54
zakkmfull desktop manager?00:54
zakkmlogin manager*00:54
Stskeepsyeah, but you hardly see it00:54
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* Stskeeps plans on having mer being a tad more sane.00:55
zakkmbattery is most important :)00:55
Stskeepsyeah.. and there's hope in that area00:55
zakkmeven maemo's battery life is okay00:55
GeneralAntillesandre__, watch the DB server's going down tomorrow. :P00:55
zakkmGeneralAntilles: you heard anything about the vlc official maemo port?00:56
andre__GeneralAntilles, I hope that Nokia guy who will change the apache.conf really gets up at 11AM finnish time ;-)00:56
zakkmon their changelog, it mentions one00:56
GeneralAntilleszakkm, official from VLC?00:56
Stskeepsandre__: doesn't finnish people sleep in on saturdays after heavy vodka drinking the evening before? ;>00:57
zakkmunder mac osx interface00:57
GeneralAntillesandre__, he's in the process of getting more drunk than he's ever been in his life.00:57
zakkmMaemo Port:00:57
zakkm * New Maemo port with:00:57
zakkm   - an interface based on Hildon framework.00:57
zakkm   - scaler based on the swscale_nokia770 library.00:57
andre__Stskeeps, exactly. but i plan the same for tonight ;-)00:57
GeneralAntillesHe's gonna redirect to something horrible00:57 ?00:57
GeneralAntilleszakkm, interesting.00:57
zakkmneve rheard of it00:57
zakkmi cant seem to find a package or anything00:58
Stskeepszakkm: it's in their git probably00:58
zakkmdamn , i deleted linux00:58
zakkmis their git on mac, does anyone know00:58
zakkmlike without messing with installing stuff00:59
zakkmwow deblet takes ages to install00:59
Stskeepsit really takes that time to debootstrap :P00:59
Stskeepswhich is why firmware images aren't always such a bad thing..00:59
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andre__ok, done. i think i'm prepared for tomorrow. now time to go to a drum'n'bass club :) gnight everybody!01:00
Stskeepsenjoy, andre__01:00
zakkmHere are some quick ideas :01:00
zakkm    * Interact with the built-in webcam easily01:00
zakkm    * streaming01:00
zakkm    * easy-playing of youtube video01:00
StskeepsYet Another Media Center for Maemo? :P01:00
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zakkmi think canola might win01:03
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Stskeepsi tried mediabox today.. it annoyed me a tiny bit with lacking "select random track", and stopping occasionally01:03
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Stskeepsquite inventive user interface though01:03
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zakkmis there a good way to make a media server on my home pc01:04
zakkmand then my nokia streaming video?01:04
zakkmnot the orb method01:04
Stskeepsthink there's some stuff mentioned on wiki01:05
zakkmohgroup hal does not exist01:05
zakkmuserdel: user hal does not exist01:05
Stskeepsthat's ok usually01:07
Stskeepsas long as it doesn't die01:07
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zakkmi know, its bad package managing though01:08
zakkmtheres never a user hal ;p is there?01:08
RST38hMeanwhile: S&P Cuts Moto's Rating to Junk01:09
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lcukdamn you RST38h, but it was something norty01:09
lcukjust not anything hijackthis could help with01:10
samd__anyone experienced on how to install maemo sdk and scratchbox in ubuntu amd6401:10
woglindesamd__ look in the wiki01:10
woglindeand there was latly a thread on ht mailinglist01:11
RST38hlcuk: Did you fix it?01:11
samd__woglinde, ight, letme take a look, the worst case, ill just install it in a virtual machine01:11
Stskeepszakkm: sure there is.. i think01:11
zakkmthere could be a group hal01:12
zakkmbut a user?01:12
Stskeepsyou never know01:12
zakkmgroup hal would make sense, .. guest = wouldnt get hal .. keeps it very restricted01:12
Stskeepsthere's also a 'nsa' user.01:12
zakkmbut seems pointless as a user01:12
lcukRST38h, yes, and the file class in question which was norty comes up with 1 hit in google01:12
zakkmand why would installing hal want to know if there is01:12
Stskeepscos it needs to assign permissions probably01:13
lcukit was hiding within my firefox program folder, it was not profile related but general chrome.  it survived reinstalls and only vanished with an uninstall + delete/rename of the folder01:13
zakkmwow omg its still extracting .deb's01:13
zakkmlcuk : sandbox :)01:14
zakkmsandboxie :D01:14
Stskeepszakkm: i'm glaring at a debootstrap, stop whining =P01:14
zakkmneighbor will shut off wifi soon, i want it finished tonight01:15
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* Stskeeps ponders if the gf left the bacon snacks at home or took them along to berlin.01:17
* lcuk reconsiders having bacon as a highlight word01:17
woglindedidnt see any bacon snacks here01:18
* Stskeeps munches01:18
zakkmpython 3.0 went stable! :P yay01:18
lcuki was coding happily01:18
woglindeso next step is testing ubifs01:18
lcukzakkm, do i still have to wait for service pack 301:18
lcukonce people start using it for real01:18
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lcuknext thing you know, we will be playin duke nukem forever01:18
zakkmsp3 of what?01:19
Stskeepswoglinde: solca has new kernel for n8x0.. start playing? :P01:19
woglindestskeep nope I will test it on my simpad01:19
woglindebut before I have to ported some patches to 2.6.2701:20
lcukzakkm, python01:20
zakkmdont kno01:20
zakkmi read the distrowatch package releases :P01:20
lcukanyway, back later01:20
woglindelcuk see you01:20
zakkmis it worth using an alternate kernel, than the default NIT one?01:20
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zakkmor alternately configured,  i suppose01:21
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Stskeepsnot yet01:21
samd__any recomendations on a irc for maemo? (nokia n810)01:21
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samd__ight, thanks01:22
lcukhow is babby formed?01:22
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woglindehe qwerty12_N800 how is andorid going?01:28
m-c-big announcement today about Android 1.0, huh?01:29
m-c-no wifi though --01:30
qwerty12_N800woglinde, ask solca or Meizkki :). tried out nthcode's release and got pissed and put me off android :)01:30
m-c-does not sound good qwerty12_N800  :)01:31
Stskeepsm-c-: they ought to pay some donations to qwerty1201:31
qwerty12_N800m-c-, oh, nthcode's work us good if you have an N810, just not worth trying on an N80001:31
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: m-c-, oh, nthcode's work is good if you have an N810, just not worth trying on an N80001:32
m-c-I emailed him that exact question earlier today qwerty12_N80001:32
hellwolfIs there any snes simulator available on maemo?01:32
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m-c-got a response back on ITT from qole -- I was on the wrong version -- need to flash to latest firmware01:32
m-c-re: easy-deb-chroot01:32
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: you should name yourself QWERTY-12 from now on01:33
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hehe :P01:33
woglindewhy the hack they didnt use the opensource driver01:34
qwerty12_N800only if you call yourself STS-KEEPS :P01:34
woglindecant understand01:34
woglindestskeeps *g*01:34
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: that'd get people to actually call me sts..01:34
woglindehm should I apply for linuxdevices too01:34
woglindebut he I have no blog01:35
qwerty12_N800woglinde, the kernel they ported the android patches doesn't support the oss wifi driver01:35
woglindebecause of the ugly pm google did?01:35
qwerty12_N800woglinde, no, i'm chatting shit, please ignore me :)01:37
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lcuktake a look at this page (the content isnt important)
lcukat the bottom its got a posting area just like itT01:54
lcukbut it has a tickbox to mark in community wiki01:54
lcukthis would be an excellent idea for itt01:55
lcukto allow postings in the forum to be promoted and kept in sync with the real wiki topic01:55
* Stskeeps watches the black console01:57
Stskeepswatching Mer install isn't that horridly exciting01:58
lcukyou should install psdoom01:59
lcukor something similar for package installation progress01:59
lcukbut using console words01:59
zakkmi picked gtk and i couldnt select anything for tablet user/ password02:01
zakkmcause im on n800, and it didnt work for me to type02:01
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Stskeeps"GTK gives you a pretty user interface for the questions (see, but if you don't own a keyboard for/on your tablet, don't use it."02:01
zakkmi know, but its too late02:02
Stskeeps(feel free to shout things at me :P)02:02
zakkmits too late02:02
zakkmi dont wanna restart the installer02:02
Stskeepswait half a week when we start having mer more possible to play with :P02:02
zakkmim very impatient :)02:03
zakkmwhat happens in half a week?02:03
Stskeepsi expect to be a little further than just booting a console system :P02:03
* Stskeeps is a bit impatient himself, waiting for fremantle alpha sdk02:03
zakkmconsole works?02:04
zakkmgot up to console ?02:04
Stskeepswe have X+hildon etc as well, in a previous iteration02:04
Stskeepsand yeah, i had console going earlier tonight02:04
zakkminstall lxde ;p02:04
zakkmforget about hildon :P02:05
Stskeepsyeah, but then it'd just be a ubuntu port.. :P02:05
Stskeepsand run into same problems as deblet02:05
GeneralAntillesDesktop DEs make zero sense on the tablets. <_<02:05
Stskeepsand the idea is LXDE would run as well on Mer. as well as KDE, .. etc02:05
Stskeepsif people want it02:06
Stskeepsbut default setup is hildon, obviously02:06
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* GeneralAntilles bursts.02:07
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* Stskeeps likes hildon better but for some things a desktop DE is "ok"02:07
GeneralAntillesToo much food.02:07
Stskeepsand there's always going to be people who want to paint the bikeshed a different colour02:08
zakkmdesktop DE's are fine :P02:08
zakkmhildon is too slow02:08
GeneralAntillesDesktop DEs are FASTER now? :\02:08
zakkmi want fluxbox , honestly02:08
zakkmbut yeah02:08
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: speed vs functionality ratio probably is less than hildons :P02:09
zakkmhildon is slow for me02:09
zakkmthink i bloated it too much02:10
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: your beagle still dead btw?02:10
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I gave it another swing yesterday, was gonna ask you if you could give me a tarball to turn it into a build machine if I managed to revive it02:10
GeneralAntillesbut no progress. :\02:10
jrayhawkWell, it's probably not 'bloat', per se, but integration with a huge pile of helper programs.02:10
Stskeepsbusted boot loader or, ?02:11
GeneralAntillesYeah, busted bootloader02:11
GeneralAntillesand the Beagle documentation still sucks02:11
* Stskeeps is not 100% fond of beagle yet after weird problems with it02:12
Stskeepsit stands offline at my work atm too02:12
GeneralAntillesThe software (kernel especially) really needs some time to stabilize.02:12
GeneralAntillesIt's fantastic if you want to play with that sort of stuff, but not great for getting stuff done.02:13
woglindega hm?02:13
zakkmhow much was the beagle?02:13
GeneralAntillesWhich makes it about the cheapest ARM development kit around.02:13
* zakkm paid $145 for nokia 02:13
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Stskeepsi think i'm going to use my work's n800 for new kernel experiments & mer02:14
Stskeepsas i use my own actively02:14
* disco_stu thinks GeneralAntilles should donate one to disco_stu 02:14
zakkmOMAP3530 processor  delivers laptop-like performance at handheld power levels02:14
woglindehm we have lot of stuff at work02:14
woglindetoday a gumstick board arvies02:14
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zakkmit has the new omap thats suppose to be in the new nokia's?02:14
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woglindeand I have to time to play with them02:14
GeneralAntilleszakkm, more or less.02:14
GeneralAntillesIt'll be the OMAP343002:14
GeneralAntillesWhich is for larger production runs, and includes some more proprietary stuff.02:15
zakkmyou think it might make a good server?02:15
zakkmor should i just go x86?02:15
jrayhawkdefine "good"02:15
zakkmprice vs performance02:15
zakkmnot amount of dev work02:16
GeneralAntillesWell, storage interfaces are limited02:16
GeneralAntillesConnectivity can be a pain02:16
zakkmi saw a SD attached to it02:16
GeneralAntillesI mean, if you want something to invest a lot of time screwing around with02:16
zakkmi want a media server for my nokia, and some other stuff02:16
GeneralAntillesit's great02:16
Stskeepszakkm: if i had it not eating MMC's for breakfast, and the ubuntu kernels providing OTG/pepherial for USBnet, i wouldn't mind..02:16
GeneralAntillesbut if you want something that just works, it's not the right answer.02:16
jrayhawkdefine "price"02:16
zakkmhighschool student budget02:16
Stskeepszakkm: atom board is probably more sane to get02:17
zakkmi have that02:17
zakkmthe d945gclf02:17
jrayhawkokay, if you're not paying for power, x86 will always win out02:17
zakkmonly recently upgraded my desktop from that02:17
Stskeepsi have gclf2 at work and i hate it. intel driver fucks up immensely on tv-out02:17
Stskeepsrolling picture02:17
zakkmnever tried tv-out02:17
zakkmapparnatly the "2" is only like 15% faster ;p02:17
GeneralAntillesYeah, ARM's advantage is power consumption02:17
GeneralAntillesSo if you're not running it off a battery, just get x86.02:17
zakkmyeah, would be attached to wall02:18
jrayhawkARM also has the Java advantage.02:18
zakkmwhich is?02:18
GeneralAntillesIf you've already got the Atom, it sounds like you have what you need. ;)02:18
jrayhawkThe fancier ARM instruction sets support native Java execution.02:19
zakkmthe d945gclf suppose to take alot of power though02:19
zakkmdespite being atom02:19
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disco_stujrayhawk: what java advantage ?02:19
zakkmused to use it for mac osx x86 support, the d945gclf/lf2 , have perfect mac support02:19
GeneralAntilleszakkm, the chipsets that go with the Atom are the killers at this point. :\02:19
zakkmmade a nice mac box02:19
Stskeepswoo, "ubuntu jaunty (development branch) Nokia-N800-23-14"02:19
Stskeepstty1, login:02:20
zakkmwhat that mean?02:20
zakkmyou already said you had console?02:20
Stskeepsmeans my image baker worked02:20
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disco_stujrayhawk: n800 has it ?02:20
Stskeepsyeah, previously i reused my old installer for iteration 1, now i made a new more.. insane one02:20
zakkmstskeeps: suggestion,... use the + and - from volume02:20
zakkmto go from tty1-7 :P02:20
zakkmthe hardware + and -02:20
Stskeepshehe.. i don't intend to use console much02:20
Stskeepsgot a n800 so02:21
zakkmme too02:21
zakkmsounds nice though02:21
zakkmcause some might use console and like irssi and stuff02:21
zakkmwould make it nice and barebone , or not even start X at all02:21
zakkm"fullscreen" does startx :P02:21
zakkmplus and minus = change tty02:21
jrayhawkI forget what the OMAP stuff is; cat /proc/cpuinfo and find out if it's ARMv5 or above.02:22
disco_stujrayhawk: n800 has java caps ?02:22
disco_stuit says java02:22
Stskeepsjrayhawk: armv6 i think02:22
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Stskeepsthe nokia tablets02:22
lcukomap2420 has jazelle opcode mode, but no framework around it02:22
disco_stujrayhawk: its v6 and says java02:23
disco_stuwhat does it mean ?02:23
Stskeeps(how to describe a firmware image target, in this file, targeting a folder)02:23
jrayhawkIt means that there are execution modes for executing native JVM bytecode.02:23
disco_stuits a shame we dont exploit that capabilites02:24
zakkmexploit.. lol02:24
Stskeepsdisco_stu: trade secret stuff :P02:24
lcuki can think of more visible things which could be exploited02:24
zakkmnever heard of using cpu's ability, exploting02:24
zakkmso does that mean java apps will start appearing? :P02:24
zakkmMER java edition :P02:25
lcuktell that to mey intel celeron 300a02:25
Stskeeps.. openjdk and cacao02:25
jrayhawkI do not know why you would bother since the majority of the Linux ecosystem already runs fine on native ARM instruction sets.02:25
disco_stuterms of speed i guess02:26
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* Stskeeps ponders idly how much power this blinking cursor takes on the tablet..02:29
Stskeeps(on a non-blanking screen on a console.. :P)02:29
GeneralAntillesMore than zero?02:29
Stskeepsi swear, the first thing i'm going to change in mer is the behaviour of when charger is inserted..02:31
Stskeepsso it's possible to move from the animation to hildon in a buttonpush02:31
zakkmhow can i get adbock ?02:31
zakkmon diablo?02:32
GeneralAntillesDon't bother02:32
GeneralAntillesIT sucks02:32
zakkmtrying to think of ways to speed it up02:32
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: if you're bored eventually, a simple list of included apps for a community distribution.. where we exclude everything closed source from nokia02:33
Stskeepslike, in the initial firmware image02:34
zakkmis havaplayer any good?02:34
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Stskeepsjust so we have some kind of "goal" to work towards02:34
GeneralAntilleszakkm, there are some sync issues with long term viewing02:34
zakkmohh how do i install garnet-vm? :P02:34
GeneralAntillesbut it works really nicely otherwise02:34
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, like the wiki page, but with everything?02:34
zakkmdo one of you have a hava box for tv?02:35
Stskeeps(and apologies for any typos or weird sentences, i'm quite sleepy :)02:35
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woglindehm anyone know how to get packages into sdk?02:36
GeneralAntilleszakkm, yes, I have the Platinum02:36
zakkmwanna stream me live tv? :P lol02:36
GeneralAntillesWorks great02:36
woglindebecause I will start to get cacao with classpath into maemo02:37
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i forgot the url for the community edition again, what i'm seeking after is basically a list of apps/control panels/applets/etc that are OSS that should be on a community firmware image of Mer02:37
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woglindebut some packages only needed for sdk02:37
Stskeepswithin reasonable limits of flash space02:37
Stskeepsso we can use that list to see how close to acting like maemo we are02:37
zakkmthinks wget should be in this mer :D02:37
Stskeepszakkm: think it is :P02:38
zakkmok good :P02:39
zakkmthere is a way to do copy link .. from microb02:40
zakkmto clipboard02:40
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zakkmis there a list of all maemo skins somewhere?02:42
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zakkmwould chinook apps work okay in diablo?02:44
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jrayhawkI think emdebian is also working on the coreutils/busybox agnosticism problem in Debian02:47
jrayhawkIt would probably be a good idea to look into their discussions and start stealing as many good ideas as your wiki can hold.02:48
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Stskeepsjrayhawk: mm, for now we go with coreutils.. helps more than it hurts atm02:49
Stskeepsmm, bed. gnite02:51
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zakkmanyone here heard of ettercap?02:53
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zakkmdoes the menus have a "max" ?03:23
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bef0rdmax number of items?03:26
zakkmlike in extrax03:27
zakkmcause i keep adding it to go on forever03:27
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WormFoodanyone get all the way through hex-a-bop? that fuckin' game is so hard, playing it is like work07:47
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disco_stuWormFood: never played it, is it good ?07:48
WormFoodhey corq-FL, where abouts in florida are you from?07:48
WormFoodI find it rather enjoyable, for the most part, but some of the levels are just crazy hard07:49
WormFoodit appears there is 100 levels...I'm not 100% sure about that....but every level I complete, it says I'm that percentage done...20 levels = 20% finished07:49
WormFoodI like good logic puzzles07:50
disco_stui'll install it07:50
WormFoodI always enjoyed logic puzzles as a kid07:51
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disco_stui rather prefer fps07:52
WormFoodI find most FPS boring07:52
disco_stunumptyphysics is also good to play on NIT's07:52
WormFoodDN3D was fun, as was Unreal Tournament (the original one), and the first quake07:52
WormFoodyeah, that is fun too, but not enough levels07:52
GeneralAntillesWe need to start a tablet-only server for Q3 when the N900 comes out. . . .07:53
WormFoodalso, I have creative ways win on numptyphysics, that isn't always what the designer envisioned07:53
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GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, ping.08:03
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andrewfblackGeneralAntilles whats up08:11
GeneralAntillesSo, about minimalist08:12
andrewfblackyeah I want to redue it for new site08:12
andrewfblackfull features08:12
GeneralAntillesThe new theme for itT is going to be a _LOT_ lighter than itT's existing theme.08:12
andrewfblacklight enough to only need one theme08:12
GeneralAntillesINdT is currently working on the design right now08:12
GeneralAntillesWell, probably, but choice doesn't hurt. ;)08:13
GeneralAntillesHang on, let me grab a link08:13
andrewfblackI just love 1 with no images at all for use over cell phone08:13
GeneralAntillesThat's the latest mockup.08:13
GeneralAntillesSo, if you either want to update minimalist's colors and header to match that08:14
GeneralAntillesor get on maemo-community and discuss the changes08:14
GeneralAntillesBut, yeah, I think it should be an option.08:14
andrewfblackI'll work on a redesign I really don't like the menu I have for minimalist theme right now either08:16
GeneralAntillesI'd recommend subscribing to maemo-community (if you aren't already) and discussing it some there08:16
GeneralAntillesAs you'll likely get a lot of input.08:16
GeneralAntillesBut I definitely think it should be included.08:17
GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, actually, my initial thought when we first started talking about the move was "We should talk to andrewfblack for the new theme". :P08:19
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andrewfblacklol Its good to be though of I wish I could do more but for the community but my software programming skills are weak08:25
GeneralAntillesMeh, so are mine. :P08:26
andrewfblackand see how far you have come08:26
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andrewfblackI have been wanting to do a new minimalist theme for awhile just never could get Reggie into it08:28
AStormin the meantime, I'm still working on handwriting recognition08:33
acydlordi forgot my n810 charger at work08:33
andrewfblackGeneralAntilles When is new site going to launch08:33
AStormand I'd like to ask if you'd prefer a ui like epitext (the current one) or something with a standard textbox08:34
AStormwith live correction too... (mouse-driven textbox :P)08:34
GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, no date, but it'll probably be January or February08:35
AStormI mean separate recognized text and written text, instead of replacing08:35
GeneralAntillesLikely to coincide with the new site launch08:35
GeneralAntillesAStorm, I want Newton-style where I can write anywhere. :P08:35
AStormGeneralAntilles, hmm08:36
AStormpossible, if you can hook up "showing" a window and hiding it08:36
AStormI could synthesize X input events08:36
AStormwhich should work anywhere08:37
GeneralAntillesProbably not worth pursing08:37
AStormpity matchbox can't do proper window management08:37
GeneralAntillesBut replacing works for me08:37
AStormfor me, it works so-so08:37
AStormmaybe I'll add "tap to pick next possibility"08:38
AStormletter and even maybe word08:39
AStormthat would be more t9 or newton style, right?08:39
AStormthe most important change is that now *you* add symbols :>08:39
AStormso, I will finally be able to recognize Polish diacritics08:40
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zakkmshould hildon-desktop be tak 31mb ram?08:41
AStormthat, and a better algorithm (already works better, w/o a dictionary :P)08:41
AStormzakkm, no, here it grabs 11M08:42
zakkmfor me its taking 31mb08:42
zakkmAstorm: newest Diablo?08:42
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zakkmuh oh08:43
zakkmwhy is mine taking so much08:43
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GeneralAntillesHow many applets? :\08:43
AStormso, 2008.36-5 here08:44
zakkmon desktop , only 108:44
zakkmthe normal clock08:44
AStormI have omweather, search, clock08:44
GeneralAntillesStatusbar, taskbar?08:45
zakkmat top thingy, just load-applet and advanced banklight08:45
AStormand in tray, adv backlight and load-applet08:45
GeneralAntillesand is that "top"?08:45
zakkmlist processes08:45
AStormhere too08:46
AStormbtw, who has htop for diablo?08:46
zakkmprobably would be the same as chinook?08:47
GeneralAntillesProbably in the Tools repo08:47
zakkmhtop is very small :P08:47
zakkmit doesnt compile i dont think08:47
AStormGeneralAntilles, tools? where is that?08:47
AStormhmm, news08:48
zakkmso Astorm: it says 11mb in load-applet for you?08:48
AStormI should subscribe to some feed to keep myself updated08:48
zakkmfor hildon-desktop?08:48
AStormzakkm, yes08:48
zakkmill try rebooting08:48
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zakkmwas thinking of reflashing08:49
zakkmand just getting the stuff i want this time, rather than trying new stuff08:49
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AStormGeneralAntilles, 0ity there's no gvim in there08:49
zakkmGeneralAntilles: you think LCARS could of caused the huge "memory leak"08:49
zakkmhildon desktop is now 16mb08:49
zakkmsomethings leaking ;p08:50
AStormweird, here nothing is apparently08:50
AStormexcept microb08:50
zakkmits a browser though08:50
zakkmi dont mind that08:50
AStormbut that is fixed with restarting it08:50
zakkmbut hildon-desktop cant be restarted :P08:50
AStormpity it doesn't support sessions08:50
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* zakkm adds to wishlist for mer :)08:51
GeneralAntillesSure it can08:51
GeneralAntilleskillall hildon-desktop08:51
AStormGeneralAntilles, haha08:51
AStormalmost a reboot08:51
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AStormand won't it enter "safe-mode" and disable all the applets?08:52
zakkmkillall -9 more like it ;p08:52
AStormzakkm, wrong08:52
zakkmhell, why not just STOP it. ;p08:52
GeneralAntillesAStorm, there's a file that it deletes when it closes cleanly08:52
GeneralAntillesif that file's there it start, it starts up with default applets08:52
AStormthat I know08:52
AStormbut will sigterm make it remove the file?08:53
zakkmit says 17mb now08:53
zakkmtheres a leak :P08:53
GeneralAntillesThey're easy enough to re-enable anyway08:53
zakkmnot if you killall -9 :D08:53
AStormGeneralAntilles, not if you're running 10 or more:>08:53
zakkmoh wow08:54
zakkmyou can kill hildon-desktop :D08:54
GeneralAntillesI wish it weren't so nastily put together08:54
zakkmoh yeah its so memory-leaked08:54
AStormanyway, we need something less broken than matchbox too08:54
GeneralAntilleshopefully the applets will move to their own processes soon.08:54
AStormGeneralAntilles, oh, indeed08:54
AStormI can't figure out the init system08:54
GeneralAntillesWhich, I think they're planning on fixing at some point.08:54
AStormwant to add a script08:54
AStormyet it doesn't work08:55
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GeneralAntillesupstart in Fremantle08:55
AStormGeneralAntilles, wouldn't it be as easy as a system("some-applet")?08:55
AStormor are they done in a hacky plugin way?08:56
AStorm(then it would be threading to fix it, or clone syscall)08:56
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AStorm(plus some signal watchdog)08:58
zakkmhow did you get yours to take 11mb08:58
zakkmi think thats why my nokia is slow, goes into swap so fast08:58
AStormeh, why oh why can't I have unlimited time...08:58
AStormzakkm, nothing at all08:58
AStormexactly, I'm running xchat here, browser, terminal etc.08:58
zakkmdid you clone from sd ?08:59
AStormit's jffs208:59
AStormpersonally, I'd use device-manager instead if going to such a low level08:59
AStormand raid0 the partitions09:00
zakkmi dont get it :(09:00
AStormget 512M of space (about) for system09:00
AStormand rest unraided for stuff09:00
GeneralAntillesAStorm, did you see: ?09:01
AStormI did reformat my card manually09:01
AStormas per ITT09:02
zakkmwhere is {1}  < -- defined?09:02
AStormfirst arg09:02
AStormGeneralAntilles, "o, they're now making partitions?09:03
AStormwhat for?09:03
AStormswap partitions are overrated and pointless09:03
GeneralAntillesWell, more interesting is the size09:03
acydlordswap partitions are so 199609:03
zakkmwanted to ask if you dont mind09:03
AStormswapfiles are just as fast... unless there is hibernation...09:03
zakkmif i leave my nokia idle, does it matter that i leave stuff open much09:04
AStormGeneralAntilles, hmm, indeed09:04
AStorma bit too large09:04
zakkmor should i close everything, if leaving it for more than like 20min09:04
AStormzakkm, shouldn't09:04
GeneralAntillesAStorm, too large for what, though? 512MB of RAM? :P09:04
acydlordi've left it idle with crap running for days09:04
AStormGeneralAntilles, no, for the mmc chip09:04
AStormthey must've added a new one...09:05
AStormso, the next device will have 3G internal mem and 512 MB ram09:05
acydlordi'm sad my n810 doesnt have the epicly huge operating time on battery it had for the firt week after i got it back from repairs09:05
zakkmcause im thinking its better to get things from systray09:05
zakkmthan to open them09:05
GeneralAntillesAStorm, well, that all adds up to 2.75GB, so it's certainly bigger than the N810's. :P09:05
zakkm512mb ram09:05
AStormn900? Ä:P09:05
zakkmthat would run maemo so well :P09:05
zakkm3420 and 512mb ram ;p09:06
AStormthat would run full Xfce well09:06
zakkmforget optimizations :)09:06
zakkmscrew xfce ;p09:06
AStormxfce is nicer for small screen09:06
GeneralAntillesThere's a variety of other plausible explanations, of course, but it does suggest more than 256MB09:06
AStormtested myself09:06
zakkmhello ipod touch like interface :P lol09:06
AStormGeneralAntilles, yup, like, hibernation09:06
AStormzakkm, nah, better09:06
acydlordif i wanted an ipod touch like interface i'd buy an ipod touch :p09:07
AStormipod touch has a mediocre interface09:07
acydlordi just need to afford the n97 to stuck in my pocket with my n81009:07
AStormn900 with gprs quad modem?09:07
AStorm(and don't lose wifi)09:07
AStorm(or bluetooth)09:07
GeneralAntillesN97 fails to excite09:08
GeneralAntillesSymbian just plain sucks09:08
AStormwelll... yes09:08
GeneralAntillesAStorm, a Nokia exec mentioned Linux as a possible alternative to Symbian for Nokia's high-end phones in the future09:08
acydlordwell it would be nicer with maemo09:08
acydlordbut i still like the n9709:08
GeneralAntillesMaemo as it stands right now will suck for phones09:09
AStormnot suck enough09:09
acydlordso does android, but that doesnt stop anyone09:09
AStormjust need a good phone app09:09
RST38hWhy would it suck?09:09
AStormsomething for sms/mms09:09
RST38hAStorm <-- correct09:09
AStormand calls09:09
AStormdecent contacts app too09:10
AStormrest is already there09:10
acydlordlol, even if it did sms and no calls i'ditch my phone09:10
RST38hYou can't suck harder as a phone than WinMobile. Yet, it is everywhere.09:10
zakkmmicrob javascript needs to be faster ;p09:10
AStormzakkm, next device will have OMAP 309:10
AStormso, the point is moot :P09:10
zakkmi cant afford it09:10
acydlordRST38h, apple sure is trying hard09:10
zakkmonly got n800 cause i found it for $14509:11
AStormthen port a webkit broser09:11
RST38hWebkit has been ported to Maemo already09:11
zakkmtheres tear or something09:11
AStormhmm? oh... link?09:11
RST38hgoogle? =)09:11
GeneralAntillesOr wait for MicroB to be upgraded to a recent Firefox release09:12
RST38hGeneral: People who tried the beta say it is not significantly better09:12
zakkmshould i wait for fennec/microb update?09:12
AStormand flash too?09:12
RST38hCrashier - yes09:12
GeneralAntillesRST38h, er, which beta? :\09:12
zakkmi want to be able to use google docs, and it doesnt quite seem worth it the speed its at now09:12
GeneralAntillesRST38h, Fennec != MicroB09:12
AStormI haven't noticed Fennec crashing09:13
GeneralAntillesand it's not beta yet09:13
GeneralAntillesFennec is just about to hit alpha 209:13
GeneralAntilleswhich should have a lot of performance improvements.09:13
AStormalthough its "springy" ui is annoying09:13
RST38hGeneral: Well, you asked about the most recent FF release and it does not get recentlier than fennec =)09:13
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I didn't "ask" anything09:13
AStormI enable the bars instead of scrolling often09:13
zakkmi like microb :(09:13
RST38hok ok09:13
zakkmexcept speed of course09:13
zakkmbut the buttons and all09:13
AStormmicrob could use autozoom09:13
* RST38h won't argue semantic details with a wikipedian :()09:13
AStormother than that, it's fine09:14
RST38hMicroB flash plugin times itself by busy-looping on gettimeofday()09:14
zakkmfeature and ui, microb is fine :)09:15
* zakkm hates speed of microb ;p09:15
AStormspeed is ok09:15
RST38hAnd, also, "fit to width" feature has to be fixed (but not removed, hopefully)09:15
GeneralAntillesIt's gone in Fremantle09:15
AStormyour webpages just suck :>09:15
RST38hSpeed is fine withme09:15
RST38hGeneral: that will suck.09:15
RST38hNot generally, but for a few pages =(09:15
zakkmwould like to goto google docs on it, and engadget09:15
zakkmand no im not rss reading09:15
AStormGeneralAntilles, did they at least add fenneclike zoom?09:15
zakkmwhats with the android 1.0 on n800 ?09:16
GeneralAntillesAStorm, we don't have any UI details yet.09:16
AStormzakkm, engadget is ok09:16
GeneralAntillesBut, presumably, they're not stupid. :P09:16
RST38hGeneral: The main usage case for the fit-to-width is really zooming (for better readability) and still having the whole page09:16
RST38hSo, that one will be gone in Fremantle09:16
* RST38h has some doubts about the "not stupid" part but will not elaborate.09:17
AStormit was a nice, although slow, feature09:18
* zakkm thinks there is too much hype about fremantle,09:18
RST38hwhat hype?09:18
zakkmi saw on itt forum how like how bugs supposely say like "fixed in fremantle"09:18
RST38hif you mean "will be all fixed in fremantle" claims, they are neither hype nor right09:19
AStormit probably will be as nice as expected09:19
zakkmand then like new browser for fremantle.. right now09:19
GeneralAntillesOh, right, that idiotic thread.09:19
* RST38h is pretty sure a lot of things will actually get broken in fremantle with no recourse09:19
zakkmbugs have to happen with so many packages and even in one package09:19
AStormso, there will be a few bugfix releases09:19
RST38hlike...2? or 3? :)09:20
zakkmi want performance improvements :)09:20
AStormreleases, yes09:20
AStormupgrades, more09:20
zakkmthough i think mer will beat fremantle release09:20
zakkmmaking fremantle release quite worthless lol09:20
GeneralAntilleszakkm, Mer wont have Fremantle's UI.09:20
RST38hzakkm: and you call fremantle "hype"?09:20
zakkmthey changing the ui?09:20
AStormI just hope they'll bash skype to make 2.x build for armel09:20
GeneralAntilleszakkm, quite radically09:21
zakkmany screenshots09:21
zakkmor mockups?09:21
GeneralAntilleszakkm, no.09:21
zakkmso hype? :P09:21
RST38hzakkm: the best approximation is probably Moblin09:21
AStormhm, so, stupid left bar going away finally?09:21
RST38hHow close approximation we do not know09:21
GeneralAntillesAStorm, likely.09:22
RST38hHey, leave that left bar alone!09:22
AStormit's pointless09:22
AStormapp list is on button09:22
AStormonly menus have to be moved09:22
zakkmmoblin looks pretty cool09:22
zakkmoh wow its so late09:23
zakkmgoing to bed, night guys! :P09:23
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RST38hOil <$40/barrel hehehehe09:24
AStormoh wow, it's so early here ;)09:24
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AStormpersonally, I'd have the menus on some button09:26
AStormand hopefully n9xx will have the dpad in a more accessible place... or better kinetic scrolling09:27
Proteousyou and your button fetish09:27
Proteousno buttons FTW09:27
Proteousjust put a button behind the screen...09:27
AStormhm? :P09:27
Proteousmind controlled n9xx!!09:28
AStormheh, I at least tried to be serious09:28
Proteous*interupting serious talk since 1995*09:29
AStormoh, and a hardware reset09:29
AStormit is unfortunately sometimes required09:29
Proteousnot as required as my need for doorstops09:29
Proteousso many doors so little expensive electronic devices to hold them open09:30
AStormuse books, they're cheaper09:31
Proteousno no, I only use dead exspensive electronic devices09:31
AStormbtw, are there some fennec nightly builds around?09:35
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AStormin a nice .deb form09:35
Proteousand a side of milk and cookies09:36
Proteousoatmeal cookies would be a plus09:36
AStormare you off your meds or something? :p09:37
Proteousheh, sorry09:38
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AStormI noticed a google group thread too :>09:42
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jrayhawkOnce Linux acquires USB support for it, the Emotiv EPOC would enable mind control of your Nokia.09:50
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AStormfennec works better than I thought after ondemand fixes10:03
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AStormand it crashed... oh well10:09
qwerty12as you say that, nautilus crashes...10:10
RST38hHildonized Nautilus?10:12
qwerty12hehe, nautilus on my desktop10:13
AStormand another crash... drat10:13
AStormI really need a newer nightly10:13
AStormprobably crashes due to malloc failure :P10:14
AStormit takes 31 MB and also enlarges Xomap10:16
RST38hSubject: EnLaRGE YouR XoMAP!10:19
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AStormbtw, where are fennec tinderbox builds stored?10:34
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* Stskeeps yawns10:45
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Stskeepsyou know it's saturday morning when you start typing in your irc nickname as login for mail services instead10:48
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* qwerty12 jumps for joy as he fixes the stand on his n80010:49
Stskeepsglue and ducttape? :P10:49
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liridoes kdepimpi supports sync'ing with google for calendar/contacts?10:49
FreeSoulhi guys :) can anybody tell me the bogomips that Nokia N810 cpu has?10:49
qwerty12Stskeeps, no, just forcing the screw down and turning the screw with my finger :D10:49
StskeepsFreeSoul: mine says 397.46 atm10:50
qwerty12FreeSoul, 397.46 when it's running at its highest speed10:50
FreeSoulqwerty12: perfect!!!!10:50
FreeSouland other question: does anybody of you knows who ported android to the N810?10:51
* Stskeeps points to qwerty12, solca, .. other insane people10:51
qwerty12Stskeeps, I did the old port (with code that wasn't mine) :). I think freesoul is talking about the NthCode as that is the one that is talked about as I don't solca talked about his one much :/10:52
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FreeSoulguys I can explain my problem... maybe you can address me. I've a Benq MID S6 that runs on an Intel Atom (x86) cpu and it comes with Midinux. It's linux but as linux user I can't sopport to use such a bad designed software. It comes with kernel 2.6.18-22 and all drivers, kernel, and all software is opensource. I need someone to port drivers to a more recent kernel like 2.6.25 to run android or an decent linux distribution. Can anybod10:55
Stskeepsplease split up your sentences..10:55
FreeSoulStskeeps: ok sorry10:55
FreeSoulthe idea is this: i've kernel 2.6.18-22 and full drivers opensource. I need to port the drivers to a recent kernel like the 2.6.2510:56
AStormFreeSoul, android is for arm afaicr10:56
AStormwhich drivers?10:56
FreeSoulAStorm: touchscreen, poulsbo, wifi, gsensor, and so on... some are allready supported... but wifi for example is not, neither the hsdpa module10:58
RST38hFreeSoul: What is the problem then? Port the drivers and be happy10:58
AStormare these binary drivers?10:58
AStormRST38h, easier to say than do10:58
FreeSoulAStorm: yes but I've also the source code10:58
AStormI could help you if I had time to spare :/10:59
AStormbut, now, not10:59
RST38hAStorm: well, that it a beauty of open source - he has all the source code so he can easily port it10:59
AStormit's code for kernel 6 versions old10:59
StskeepsFreeSoul: did you check if someone else ported it? wouldn't surprise me11:00
FreeSoulRST38h: i've never developed anything for the kernel... it's not all tat easy11:00
AStormsorry, 8 versions now11:00
FreeSoulStskeeps: yeah, nobody :(11:00
RST38hAStorm: Whether he his professionally capable is a different thing11:00
RST38hFreeSoul: Oh well, then use XP11:00
AStormon atom? mwhahaha...hahah11:01
FreeSoulRST38h: i prefer to commit suicide instead of use xp11:01
AStormon a mid11:01
RST38hThe way I see it you have three options:11:01
AStormeven xp mobile would be hard11:01
FreeSoulRST38h: and I dunno what to do with a windows pc....11:01
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StskeepsFreeSoul: how is your battery time on midlinux?11:01
Stskeeps.. just curious11:01
RST38h1) port drivers to the newer kernel 2) use XP 3) commit suicide11:01
RST38hChoose one11:01
AStormr) pay someone to port the drivers11:01
RST38hYea, correct11:01
Stskeepsm) be test puppy for Mer on i38611:02
* Stskeeps ponders why X doesn't start11:02
AStormnah, kernel doesn't have drivers11:02
AStormStskeeps, did you change the kernel?11:02
FreeSoulStskeeps: if you keep touchscreen light down (low, i don't mean switched off) it can last for 5 hours i think... of course it depends on the usage of networking you do... it's not a really long charge... but it's acceptable11:02
StskeepsAStorm: not yet11:02
AStormif so, you have to rebuild Xomap vs its headers...11:02
AStormor at least video driver11:03
StskeepsAStorm: -omapfb driver11:04
Stskeepsbut i suspect i might know why now11:04
FreeSoulbrb sorry11:04
AStormStskeeps, do you have a mer build env done in a nice download form?11:05
AStormlike, click and build? :P11:05
StskeepsAStorm: sdk or image builder? :P right now it's a strange system of shell scripts, on bzr lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager :P11:06
AStormguess I'd have to revisit debian packaging11:06
Stskeepsah, then no - we need someone to tinker with sb2 properly11:07
Stskeepsor sb1 for that sake11:07
AStormneed to build a bunch of debs and sbox is horrible11:07
Stskeepswe primarily native-build atm, but wouldn't mind sb2 going as well :P11:08
AStormnative-build is ok11:08
Stskeepsas armel builds are deadly slow11:09
AStormas long as the app is small enough... :/11:09
FreeSoulAStorm: can i write you privately?11:09
AStormsure, /msg away11:10
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Stskeepsmorning, lcuk11:18
lcukhiya sts11:19
* qwerty12 <3's his dirty hack to maemo-gtk for permanent wrap around menus11:19
qwerty12hi lcuk11:19
lcuknice qwerty11:20
Stskeepswhat do you mean by wrap around menus, btw?11:20
qwerty12by pressing up when at the top of a menu, it goes to the bottom and vice versa11:21
qwerty12instead of staying stuck at the top when pressing up11:21
qwerty12compare pressing up in a menu on the tablet and pressing up in a menu on a gtk program on the computer11:21
lcukwilly wonka menus.  theres more stuff past the top floor11:22
qwerty12Stskeeps, seems nokia or gtk people have a thing against libtool too: " -e 's/^hardcode_libdir_flag_spec.*$$/hardcode_libdir_flag_spec=" -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__ "/' \" :P11:22
Stskeepsmm, sortof11:23
Stskeepsi have a weird screenshot on my hildon and i'm not 100% sure it's because of an error11:25
Stskeepscos it vaguely makes sense11:26
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Stskeepssec, taking a scrshot :P11:27
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lcukStskeeps, ive been having that sort of feeling for months11:27
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lcukwidget number 1 is taking shape nicely11:27
Stskeepslo meiz11:28
lcukmmmm topless skydivers11:29
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lcukheh Stskeeps thats b0rkened11:35
lcukis part of it the default x11 core background11:36
Stskeepslcuk: it's broken yes, but it's funny how hildon puts the widgets11:36
Stskeepsespecially because the version we're basing on is for fremantle..11:36
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Stskeepshow does N97 interface look like again when on the side?11:38
lcuki dunno, but i have started keeping my nokia in portrait and all my tests are going for automatic rotations11:39
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aquatixStskeeps: has some more11:40
StskeepsAStorm: if i didn't know better these two screenshots are similar..11:40
* Stskeeps tries to see where the difference is11:41
aquatixStskeeps: which two exactly?11:42
Stskeepsaquatix: well i just ran a hildon-desktop which is tagged for fremantle11:42
Stskeepsand the layout is different than usua11:42
aquatixyeah, saw it11:42
Stskeepswith two desktop bars and an area below11:43
aquatixand you mean that it looks like n97?11:43
Stskeepsyeah, well, structure wise11:43
Stskeepsobviously not as pretty right now :P11:43
* aquatix checks the videos from the 2nd of december11:44
lcukthe ui looks bad - she keeps doing that horrid unintuitive side swipe
aquatixlooking at that now11:45
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aquatixthat side swipe doesn't have an animation11:45
aquatixwhich makes it weird11:45
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aquatixin the demo video there was an animation11:45
aquatixthen it suddenly makes sense11:45
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RST38hlcuk: this is not the final UI11:45
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aquatixi think they are still working on the transitions and such11:46
lcukmine isnt either, but its sensible11:46
RST38hyours does not qualify for UI yet =)11:46
RST38hunless I have missed some update =)11:47
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lcukwhy? because i chose to build apps in it which interested me and decided not to do a media player?11:47
RST38hyou decided to skip the ui11:48
RST38himplemented features but no ui11:48
lcukyes, and got on with using it11:48
aquatixwell, it doesn't have a UI environment, like for example a fixed menu or status bar or a small navigation bar11:48
aquatixlcuk: if i want to do something else in liqbase, i have to go back to the main menu first11:49
aquatixand there's no good way to see immediately in what app i'm in11:49
aquatixjust saying :)11:49
RST38ha strip of icons (like in a digital camera) is all I have been asking for :)11:49
* aquatix likes liqbase a lot11:49
* lcuk would take notes, but liqbase is in pieces11:50
RST38hcontext dependent and overlayed onto the screen11:50
aquatixlcuk: :)11:50
* aquatix gives lcuk some paper and a pencil11:51
lcukcant we just extend the screen so its not overlayed11:51
* aquatix runs, hard11:51
lcukaquatix, no need, i have pad infront of me11:51
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* lcuk wants to replace that with a tablet11:52
* lcuk also wants to replace his pinboard11:52
* aquatix doesn't have a pinboard, and only now and then uses paper11:53
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aquatixmaybe i should use my n810 more for drawing11:53
lcuki only use paper when i cant fit my ideas onto nokia11:53
lcukand even then when ive finished i copy whats on paper onto nokia - i wish it was automatic digital transfer tho11:54
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aquatixit'd need a semi-highres camera and some ocr11:54
lcukno, it just needs me havign a slate :)11:55
lcukand an asus top as my desktop monitor11:55
lcukand something else on the wall11:55
* lcuk spits on bitmaps11:56
* lcuk strokes ummm strokes11:56
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lcuki see in the videos of the 97 its same kind of touchscreen as ours, ie not iphoneesq11:58
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aquatixyeah, resistive11:58
lcukthe demo vids are done with fingernails - which makes me smile11:58
lcukcos that means stylus will work11:58
* lcuk ponders liqbase elsewhere11:59
Stskeepsqwerty12: can you pastebin your /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf for me?12:00
FreeSoulwhich sw do you use if you need to hand write something? i mean, don't hand writing recognition, just drawing or writing... to use the touchscreen to take notes12:00
lcukFreeSoul, liqbase12:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, definately different12:01
lcuk       or  (and)
Stskeepsqwerty12: (mers)12:02
FreeSoulthanks lcuk12:02
aquatixFreeSoul: liqbase works a lot better than the included Sketch12:02
qwerty12Stskeeps, ooh. I guess the Rx-51 is getting a resolution upgrade...12:02
* lcuk is so pleased he finally sussed out colored font rendering12:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: what makes you think that?12:03
qwerty12Stskeeps, X-Size-Width=480 from my N800 which has a res of 800x480 and X-Size-Width=800 from your file12:03
FreeSoulaquatix: unfortnuately i've no a nokia tablet... i need a sw like this for my mid12:04
Stskeepsyeah, orientation12:04
* qwerty12 hangs head in shame12:04
Stskeepsstill interesting though12:04
lcukFreeSoul, which OS are you using?12:04
Stskeepsthis one has been 17 months in making12:04
FreeSoullcuk: midinux (a mid version of red flag linux)12:05
* lcuk publically flogs qwerty12:05
FreeSoullcuk: it runs on rpm12:05
lcukFreeSoul, i havent done much testing with liqbase on anything other than maemo (its developed entirely on device and VERY specific for it) theres an x86 build mode which removes the maemo specifics but im not sure it will work - are there no other general linux sketching tools arouns?12:06
* lcuk will also make a note of looking in other communities for software in future ;)12:07
FreeSoullcuk: :)12:07
Stskeepswhat's more important, horizontal space or vertical space?12:11
lcukmmm that address book looks familiar12:11
Stskeepsfor browsing, for instance12:11
lcuki cant use vnc or read things in widescreen12:12
lcukfor some reason portrait is better for experience12:12
aquatixStskeeps: i like widescreen better for browsing12:12
aquatix480px is too narrow12:12
lcukewww letterbox12:13
Stskeepslcuk: in their defense this doesn't have a proper theme on it12:14
aquatixStskeeps: that's a lot of chrome wasting screen real estate imho12:14
lcukbut WOW you have a browser in there12:14
Stskeepsaquatix: can always go fullscreen12:14
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aquatixStskeeps: of course, but maemo by default already has more space available for it12:15
Stskeepsaquatix: i'm on plankton theme though, so it might look ugly :P12:15
aquatixi'm ignoring the looks :)12:15
aquatixbarely ;)12:15
lcuksquint a bit and look past them12:15
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Stskeepsqwerty12: what version of hildon-desktop?12:21
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qwerty12Stskeeps, 1:2.0.18-1fix112:22
Stskeepsok.. cos that's funny, the source package put out has different desktop.conf12:23
qwerty12meh, maybe its been modified when hildon desktop runs in safe mode12:23
Stskeepsmm, true12:24
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Stskeepsor that it was part of an SSU and hence everyone had proper themes already in .osso12:25
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qwerty12Stskeeps, well, here's the one from the latest ssu:
Stskeepsyeah, i just realized src package doesn't match deb on the repo12:27
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qwerty12hi lardman12:38
lardmanhi qwerty12, how's things12:38
qwerty12all good here, thanks :)12:38
StskeepsMeizirkki: my worry is that it might not work sanely without BME (charging battery)..12:42
Stskeeps"my nokia exploded in my pocket because i installed android on it!"12:42
lardmanStskeeps: it probably just won't charge12:42
MeizirkkiStskeeps: My n810 did not blow up, it was charging many hourswith android running12:43
lardmanwhich might make forays into Android reasonably brief12:43
StskeepsMeizirkki: solcas or?12:43
MeizirkkiSolcas and roi12:44
Meizirkkiis better12:44
qwerty12Did solca upload the patch set? The only thing stopping me from trying is that the touchscreen isn't functional unless you patch the ts2301 driver12:45
qwerty12*functional for N80012:45
* Meizirkki will flash back to diablos kernel... (waiting for solca to upload kernel with working wifi12:45
MeizirkkiMaemo did not boot...12:47
Meizirkki not it boots :)12:47
Stskeepswith new oro ld kernel?12:48
Stskeepss/o ld/old12:48
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lardmanhmm, maemo bugs has gone tu12:51
Stskeepsyeah, downtime today12:51
* lardman should remember to read the notices from time to time... :)12:51
MeizirkkiStskeeps: I flashed back to diablos original kernel12:52
Meizirkkiit would be cool if solcas kernel would work with maemo12:53
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Stskeepswith a bit of hacking it possibly could12:55
Stskeepsbut with the new wifi driver12:55
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Meiz_n810Is the new wifi driver better than the old one?12:55
Stskeepsdepends on definitiion12:55
Stskeepsas stable? probably not12:56
Meiz_n810what does the RD mode do?12:57
Meiz_n810power up is "faster"12:58
Meiz_n810one short click12:58
Meiz_n810sun works12:59
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* Stskeeps seperates hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop program.13:06
Stskeepsshould make it easier to make custom desktop layouts13:06
Stskeeps(want widescreen maemo? make a layout!)13:08
lardmanMeiz_n810: R&D mode also gives the blurb at boot and allows you to use gainroot to gain root13:09
lcukmorning lardman13:11
lardmanhi lcuk13:12
lcukdamn my phone being out of credit, the one time i actually really want a blt and have a chance of getting one and i cant txt and SOS to tracy13:13
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lardmansms from office to kitchen?13:14
lardmancouldn't you shout?13:14
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lcukno, shes just finishing work at the shop now - if i wanted a blt i need supplies13:14
lcuk:D do you wanna send a random text to her askin her to get me bacon? :D13:15
lardmanyeah, if you want13:15
lardmanwhy not just phone?13:16
lcuk"bring home the bacon"13:16
lardmanyeah, to Bath!13:16
lcukcos thats miles away13:16
lardmanmmm, bacon!13:16
lcukand im lazy this mornin13:16
lardman or similar ;)13:16
lcukoooh but wont i get spammed13:17
lcukumm she13:17
qwerty12~lart scratchbox for still requiring patching of even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig13:17
* infobot plops scratchbox into a giant vat of herring for still requiring patching of even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig13:17
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lcuklardman, :O " For Messages sent to O2,Orange,3, Vodafone, Virgin Mobile, Guernsey, Jersey, Manx and T-Mobile networks, the recipient will have the option to pay £5 to read the message. "13:19
lcukthats not free13:19
suihkulokkiqwerty12: you could just make HOSTCC=host-gcc HOSTCXX=host-g++ make menuconfig13:19
qwerty12lcuk, what network is she on?13:19
Stskeeps5 pound to read a message? neat13:19
lcukerrrrrr o213:20
lcuki think13:20
qwerty12suihkulokki, ah, nice, but my dirty hack seems to be working :D13:20
lcukyeah she is infact13:20
glass_£5?? lol13:20
qwerty12lcuk, damn, you can do it to t-mobile for free :/13:20
glass_lcuk: start hunting for some free sms site, they go down pretty quickly but new sites spring up13:20
lcukoh gawd13:20
lcuk"dad i done a poo" :| brb13:21
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lcukglass_, ive had exactly one use for them in recent years and that was 5 minutes ago13:24
lardmanoh sorry, there used to be some completely free ones in the old days13:25
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glass_lardman: there are sometimes now too, but they go down pretty quickly..13:26
glass_lardman: theres idiots who don't read theis sms gw contracts well enough, or people who abuse some system for a while to pipe them13:26
lardmanglass_: ok, I just read you comment13:26
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qwerty12lcuk, you may be able to find an email to sms gateway. 44<number> supposedly sends texts to O2-Uk networks but i'd try it with your own number 1st to see if it works13:30
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Stskeepsor not13:35
lcukis a bit late now since im home ( is mrs lcuk)13:35
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mavhcweird url, suffers from the year 3000 problem13:35
lardmanlcuk: (Mrs) did you bring bacon?13:36
t_s_oheh, looks like someone took the samsung ui and slapped it onto a N810 in vertical...13:36
lardmanlcuk: Gary will be most disappointed if not ;)13:36
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lcukno i didnt had no cash on me for once but anyway he wants a blt which isnt a proper bacon butty13:37
StskeepsRST38h: looks interesting but im not sure if it's a tablet or not :P13:37
lardmanhmm, /me needs a built-in keyboard!13:37
lardmanlooks like a phone though, on the rh image you can see it says "calls" and "message"13:38
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Stskeepslcuk: hah @ qole picture :P13:39
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Stskeepsso, people with n810s.. what would you prefer your internal MMC to be like?13:53
liridid anyone try that pigdin facebook chat plugin for maemo?13:53
Stskeepswould you like it to be a ext2 partition, have a swap partition, be the usual place the OS saves your documents, or?13:54
lcuki just want it to be for static pre-installed data - i prefer not to write to it often13:54
lcukill use the external one for that13:55
Stskeepsinternal mmc, not flash :P13:55
lcukmy 2gb - im happy its for maps mainly13:55
t_s_oliri: iirc, it works13:55
lardmanStskeeps: not swap!13:55
lardmanStskeeps: it can't be replaced13:55
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* Stskeeps is still wondering about nokia's 768mb swap partition on internal MMC13:56
Meiz_n8102gb internal: 8mb fat, 1gb ext2/3 maemo, 756mb android, 256 swap13:56
Stskeepsso you would prefer the OS to be in internal flash, and /home on internal MMC?13:57
lardmanStskeeps: really, I've never even tried to enable swap13:57
lirit_s_o: good to know, I'll try it13:57
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i want to have OS in internal MMC, because flash is so small13:57
lardmanStskeeps: that would be a reasonable solution13:58
lardmanMeiz_n810: normally the os stuff is small compared to the stuff in home13:58
liriwhats up with that global communication device13:59
liriI always forget the name. the one that replaces the current communication suite with sip and other protocols13:59
Meiz_n810lardman: 256 jffs2 is too small even if /home is in internal MMC13:59
lardmanymmv ;)13:59
lardmanworks for me anyway14:00
StskeepsMeiz_n810: so far we're stuffing 300m in 130mb flash :P14:00
Stskeepsi would really love something like unionfs.. except that it would fill up internal jffs first, and then flowover to external14:00
Stskeepser, internal mmc partition14:00
lardmanStskeeps: is that a problem?14:04
lardmanand also, I presume it could be told which is the primary partition14:05
qwerty12liri, rtcomm14:05
Stskeepsi guess something like raid striping, but for fs's :P14:06
Stskeepsso you have flash which ideally shouldn't be touched much (taken care of OS to not wear it -too- much), and MMC external14:06
Stskeepsor something14:06
lardmanStskeeps: I really wouldn'ty worry about the wear thing14:06
* Stskeeps glances at aufs14:07
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* qwerty12 will always prefer aufs over unionfs on the tablets as you don't need to reflash the kernel14:08
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lardmanwhat sort of size jpeg image do you want to be able to decode?14:09
* lardman must set a limit14:09
Stskeepsdoesn't people usually make quite big jpgs initially?14:10
* lardman wonders how much memory is actually left14:11
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* lardman looks for a calc that does hex14:20
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lcuklardman ./calc 0x20*314:24
lcuki was after something similar so me n kot made one with perl ;)14:25
lcukecho $*14:25
lcukpcom="print $*;"14:25
lcukecho `perl -e "$pcom"`14:25
lardmanlcuk: turns out the standard ubuntu one works nicely14:25
lcuknot on device14:25
lardmanno, but dsp programming is hard on device ;)14:26
lcukit shouldnt be though14:26
lardmanno toolchain14:26
lardmanI'd prefer to code on a PC tbh14:27
lcukso do i14:27
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lcukand i do14:27
lcukits just i build on device14:27
lardmaneach to his own :)14:28
lcukyeah, but thats the good thing about linux14:28
lardmanhmm, I wonder how many free tlbs I have....14:29
* lardman searches the list for an old post14:29
lcuktlb?  aint that an activex type library14:30
lardmantranslation look-aside buffer
Meiz_n810Stskeeps what is the nit-bootmenu-compat?14:33
lardman~6 it seems14:34
lcukthat doesnt sound like a lot, but considering you are already in the most constrained place on the device it doesnt surprise me14:35
lardmanwell that could map 6MB of shared memory14:35
lardmanthough from my previous emails it looks like I had problems mapping more than 1MB at a time14:36
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: former deblet-boot-basics14:39
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lardmanto the shops! bbl15:00
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AStormback from the shops ;)15:01
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Stskeepsshops: so geeks don't have to hunt for food15:07
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`Mace_boswars is very interesting15:38
`Mace_it actually runs haha15:38
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`Macesomeone registered `mace? :)15:39
lcuk`Mace, you perhaps?15:42
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trenkassvb: alive? :)16:09
ssvbtrenka: yes :)16:13
`Maceboswars is friggin awesome for being something you can play on the n80016:14
`Macei'm sure it will be a lot better onc ei figure out what all the units do :)16:14
`Macemakes one wonder if starcraft 1 could be put on an n80016:14
`Macelooks about the same16:14
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Stskeeps`Mace: that looks like a neat timewaster..16:30
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*** Meizirkki has quit IRC16:51 Bugzilla Reorganization progress update for those that are interested: Need two hours longer than announced (due to myself, due to Bugzilla code, and due to some Nokians this morning)16:54
AStormNokians? sounds like aliens16:55
qwerty12_N800I can't live without my bugzilla fix, and you're telling me I have to wait two more hours?!?16:55
andre__qwerty12_N800, basically: yes. relax, get a coffee, realize there's a world out there too. ;-)16:56
ShadowJKqwerty12_N800, you should've known there was something fishy when the first hits were free16:56
qwerty12_N800andre__, I don't drink tea (or coffee) and bugzilla is my world!!!!16:56
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qwerty12_N800ShadowJK, lol16:57
andre__qwerty12_N800, same here. But right now only I have access and you not :-P16:57
solcaMeiz_n810: ?16:57
qwerty12_N800andre__, hater :P16:57
ShadowJKandre__, you could tease him by posting summaries16:57
Meiz_n810solca: hi, is wifi working on android?16:58
qwerty12_N800solca, great work! thanks!16:58
andre__gosh, summaries? no, i just want to get this done :)16:58
solcaMeiz_n810: for me yes but I notice some problems16:58
Meiz_n810can i try?16:58
solcaMeiz_n810: maybe you can check and report16:58
solcaqwerty12_N800: thx :)16:58
qwerty12_N800solca, arrgh, the stupid c****. any ideas why they are doing that for?16:59
Stskeepsandre__: vodka? :P16:59
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solcaqwerty12_N800: no idea but thats is sad for us16:59
andre__Stskeeps, later, honey, later. :-P16:59
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qwerty12_N800solca, yeah :(16:59
solcaqwerty12_N800: but if those drivers were working in not a problem for now17:00
infobotsolca meant: qwerty12_N800: but if those drivers were workisg is not a problem for now17:00
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qwerty12_N800solca, i'm not entirely sure those touchscreen drivers being removed affects us17:01
solcaqwerty12_N800: really? I thought it was the ts for the n80017:02
solcaand n800 sound it seems17:02
qwerty12_N800from  what I remember, we use ts2301_<something>.c17:02
qwerty12_N800but i only know that from 2.6.21, i don't know if they moved things about :/17:03
qwerty12_N800solca, yep, no 2301 references in input/touchscreen/omap/omap_ts.c17:04
solcaqwerty12_N800: uuf17:04
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qwerty12_N800i can't see them removing support for the touchscreen when the drivers for the n800 + n810 are so similar. as for sound, i have no idea17:06
solcaqwerty12_N800: hmm from reading the changes they remove mixer support from the sound of the tsc230117:06
qwerty12_N800yep, i don't get that part :/17:07
solcaqwerty12_N800: me neither but superficially I can say that if the code was needed is very easy to revert back those eliminations17:08
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solcahopefully those drivers compile in the first place17:08
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qwerty12_N800solca, cool :)17:08
Stskeep~curse internet connectio17:09
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, internet connectio !17:09
qwerty12_N800I'll have to format my sd card again (oh, why did i put so much xvids on it :()17:09
Stskeep"old unused touchscreen drivers", wtf? :P17:10
solcaStskeep: that is not very explanatory17:11
Stskeepsolca: the notice about ts removal in git17:11
solcaStskeep: maybe that code didn't compile17:12
solcaStskeep: hmm: I have the source code prior to the commits, will check if it compiles... :)17:12
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qwerty12_N800solca, I don't mean to bug, but I get a 404 on the kernel patch. I'd like to try a new android on the n800  with touchscreen :)17:14
solcaqwerty12_N800: can't find support for TSC239117:14
solcaqwerty12_N800: let me fix it...17:14
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solcaqwerty12_N800: was a typo in the filename, try again17:16
qwerty12_N800:/. Call me nostalgic but when i have something with speakers, it is nice if they can be used :/. Damn linux-omap people17:16
qwerty12_N800ah, ok, thanks17:16
solcaqwerty12_N800: can't find support for 230x on the touchscreen section17:17
solcaweird, maybe those drivers didn't were maintained all this time17:17
qwerty12_N800yeah :/ 2.6.21 ftw!17:18
* Meizirkki is untarring nitdroid17:18
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* Stskeeps wonders what power usage is like on nitdroid17:19
solcaMeizirkki: this time everything w'll work (nah just kidding)17:19
Meizirkkisolca: is rd_flags ftill needed17:19
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solcaMeizirkki: no, that is fixed17:19
solcaStskeeps: it was charging good17:20
Stskeepssolca: yeah, well, im talking about battery life17:20
solcaStskeeps: but I never measure how it last17:20
solcaStskeeps: do you know how to get the battery meters17:20
solcahow is done that part on maemo currently?17:21
Stskeepskotczarny had a kcbatt17:21
Stskeepsit's done through HAL current17:21
solcaStskeeps: is that a zekr3t binary?17:21
Stskeepshald-addon-bme is closed source, yeah17:21
Meizirkkii am stucked to the screen with penguin at top corner...17:22
solcaStskeeps: that sucks! that means I wil never fix the battery icon17:22
solcaMeizirkki: for how long?17:22
Stskeepssolca: .. hence why we had our non-free repo17:22
Stskeepssolca: look at kcbatt.c and make something up17:22
Meizirkkisolca: ~1min... the it shuts down17:23
solcaStskeeps: I don't think so as it uses hal17:23
Meizirkkird-mode is disabled17:23
Stskeepssolca: kcbatt.c doesn't17:23
solcaMeizirkki: hmm weird17:23
Stskeepsit talks to tahvo/retu17:23
solcaStskeeps: that is a good solution, will take a look17:23
Stskeepsbut this may not be 100% precise17:23
solcaMeizirkki: try again, maybe it crashed in the way17:24
ShadowJKSomehow I think there's more beyond what kcbatt can extract17:24
Stskeepsyeah, after seeing what ftd can drag out17:24
Meizirkkisolca: i have tried now 4 times...17:24
Meizirkkii'll try reflashing the kernbel17:24
solcaMeizirkki: maybe try the debugging version to see what is going on17:24
* Stskeeps waits on mer baking17:25
Meizirkkisolca: ok17:25
Meizirkkisolca: wait17:25
Meizirkkisolca: i'll remove the ext-sd17:25
Meizirkkimight be about it17:25
solcaMeizirkki: yes, that was the problem yesterday if I remember correctly17:26
Meizirkkiit boots17:26
Meizirkkii wonder why it stucks when ext-sd is inserted...17:26
solcaStskeeps: kcbatt reads directly from /dev/retu, that is nice17:26
Meizirkkisolca: i still fail booting17:29
Meizirkkiit reboots after a long time17:29
Meizirkkiandroid splash stops blinking and then... reboot17:29
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qwerty12_N800solca, hey, is where to boot from a kernel argument? I'm lazy, I don't want to make 2 new partitions :P :)17:31
solcaqwerty12_N800: no, they are currently wired in the kernel cmdline17:32
solcaMeizirkki: really?17:32
Meizirkkisolca: yes17:32
solcahmm thats bad17:32
Meizirkkisometimes i see hortizontal lines before booting17:33
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solcaMeizirkki: do you try the debugging kernel?17:34
Meizirkkii did17:34
solcaMeizirkki: what the console say?17:35
Meizirkkithere is nothing un-usual in console before android-splash comes up17:35
Meizirkkiit looks like the userspace refuses to start17:36
Meizirkkii'll untar the rootfs again17:36
solcaMeizirkki: do you get to the A N D R O I D part?17:36
solcathen to the animated splash?17:37
Meizirkkiinstead of the main screen i get hortizontal lines17:37
Meizirkkiyes i see animated splash...17:37
Meizirkkii'll untar again17:37
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solcaMeizirkki: maybe I changed too much the blizzard timings17:38
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solcaMeizirkki: will try build another kernel17:38
Meizirkkiit could be my bad17:38
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solcaMeizirkki: no, it doesnt get to the main screen here too17:39
solcawait a minute...17:39
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solcaMeizirkki: it crashed again, will remove my hacks17:45
solcaMeizirkki: this bug sucks!!!17:46
Meizirkkidoesn't android recuire double/pageflipping framebuffer?17:47
solcaMeizirkki: yes17:47
solcabut that is working properly17:47
solcawhat is crashing is the blizzard LCD controller17:48
solcanot the omapfb17:48
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Meizirkkicould the blizzard LCD controller be used with maemo17:49
Meizirkkimaybe mer?17:49
solcait is used17:49
qwerty12_N800Meizirkki, when you watch a film and see it stuttering, you have proof that it's used :)17:50
solcaMeizirkki: do you have the yesterday kernel?17:50
solcahmm, thatm seems more stable that this ones17:50
Meizirkkii cleaned up my home directory 2 minutes ago17:51
solcatoo much pulchritude on your side ;)17:52
Meizirkkisorry, i do not understand what pulchritude means17:53
solcaMeizirkki: somebody who demands cleaning very often17:55
solcamaybe a modism from my side thou...17:55
Meizirkkiwell, thats not true ;P17:55
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ssvbqwerty12_N800: no, the problem is because good ARMv6 optimizations are missing in video decoder, blizzard is fast enough17:56
Meizirkkieven if iclean up, my home directory is still full of s*hit ;)17:56
Stskeeps.. like my office17:57
qwerty12ssvb, ah, learn something new every day :)17:57
solcaMeizirkki: :P17:57
qwerty12I'm sorry epson for all the times I've insulted you17:57
Meizirkkisolca: i have the yesterdays kernel!17:57
Meizirkkii downloaded it to my tablet17:58
solcaMeizirkki: phewww....17:58
solcatry it17:58
Stskeeps <- now we're getting somewhere17:58
* Meizirkki is flashing yesterdays kernel...17:58
solcaStskeeps: it looks closer...17:59
solcaStskeeps: by the wasy are there newer tars17:59
infobotsolca meant: Stskeeps: by the way are there newer tars17:59
Stskeepsof mer? no, we have a image builder now17:59
Stskeepsi'll make some tar.gz's eventually18:00
Meizirkkisolca: android refuses to boot18:00
Stskeeps(look at targets/mer-n800-onlyfs, and look back)18:00
Meizirkkii forgot the rd-mode18:01
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solcaStskeeps: so how is the installation now? manually download to a dir and then mass copy to the target?18:02
Stskeepssolca: debootstrap required on device, run shellscript which then bakes everything together18:03
* solca wonders how many more time he have left to flash his kernel partition18:03
solcaStskeeps: ah18:03
Stskeepshehe, take out "too many flashes" insurance :P18:03
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Stskeepsin the mer-n800-Ãonlyfs it just puts everything in the dir you tell it to18:04
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Stskeepsanother target will generate a rootfs.jffs2, etc18:04
Stskeeps.. another will generate one for i386, and so on18:04
qwerty12solca, don't worry about it, you don't want to know how many times I've flashed the kernel & initfs :PP18:04
solcaqwerty12: belive me, I do at least 1 flash every 5 min18:04
qwerty12hehe, I went through tons of flashes when I was testing the black bootmenu18:05
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solcaMeizirkki: do you solve something18:08
Meizirkkiit did not boot with the old kernel and i cannot unmount partition cleanly after untarring because device is busy :(18:09
Meizirkkifinally it unmounted cleanly18:11
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Meizirkkisolca: maybe problem in rootfs?18:14
solcano, the problem is the kernel18:15
Meizirkkiandroid does not boot with the kernel it booted yesterday18:15
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Meizirkkii have rd-mode on, no ext-sd inserted...18:15
Meizirkkiit worked testerday18:15
solcaMeizirkki: are you trying the rootfs from yesterday or tadays?18:16
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Stskeepsbtw, why is it that android always pop up when i start new projects? :>18:16
Stskeepshappened with deblet too :>18:17
Meizirkkii don't even get the ANDROID to left side of the screen18:17
solcaok, display is working good now, will upload new kernels18:17
MeizirkkiStskeeps: :P18:17
solcaStskeeps: :)18:17
Meizirkkisolca: great :P18:17
* Stskeeps ponders recompiling the x server18:18
MeizirkkiStskeeps: Jauntys universe is now pretty big and most of the lxde packages are already built :)18:18
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solcaMeizirkki: download the normal kernel again18:19
solcawill upload the debugging18:20
StskeepsMeizirkki: woo18:20
* Meizirkki is waiting for android to boot18:23
solcaqwerty12 or Stskeeps: my kernels uses PREEMPT and NOHZ, that is good for batteries right?18:23
Stskeepsnohz is the dyntick stuff?18:24
solcaMeizirkki: yep18:24
qwerty12solca, no idea. I used a 2.6.21 kernel with preempt though fine with no adverse effects on battery18:24
solcaStskeeps: *yep18:24
Meizirkkisolca: it boots and wifi goes on18:25
solcaMeizirkki: finally...18:25
Meizirkkibut it is unable to scan for networks18:25
Meizirkkiand i can't type ssid because the hw-keyboard does not work :(18:25
solcaMeizirkki: :(18:26
solcait seems I heavy broke the kbd layout18:26
Meizirkkinth:s android had working keyboard... but it was buggy comparing to yours18:26
solcaMeizirkki: but you can remove my kbd layout18:27
Meizirkkii mean their android was buggy, not the keyboard18:27
Meizirkkisolca: what do you mean?18:27
solcaand it will fallback to normal qwerty18:27
Meizirkkihow can i remove that18:27
solcayou need to get into18:27
Meizirkkiinto what?18:28
solcayou need to remove this file: /system/usr/keylayout/Internal_keyboard.kl18:28
solcayou can get in with adb18:28
solcaand the usb cable18:29
Meizirkkisolca: btw: thanks for all the help!!! :P18:29
solcaMeizirkki: no prob, I'm excited that all this effort was not vane18:29
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aquatixhm, i have the maemo news feed in google reader, but it imports a lot of double articles; every time the score of an article changes, it gets added18:38
aquatixsome webmaster that can look at that?18:38
Meizirkkisolca: keyboard still not working :(18:48
Stskeepskulve: how are your manual updates on omapfb these days?18:48
solcaMeizirkki: do you remove that file18:48
Meizirkkii did18:48
solcaand reboot18:49
Meizirkkii made some modifications :P18:49
Meizirkkisolca: where can i get ADB?18:50
Meizirkkisolca: found it18:50
solcaMeizirkki: just run it like this: sudo ./adb shell18:51
Meizirkkii can not untar it18:52
Meizirkkiis it only 60kb?18:52
solcaits not in tar, it is just bzip2ed18:53
solcabunzip adb.x86.bz218:53
Meizirkkithat was it :P18:53
solcaMeizirkki: hey WiFi scanning is not working here!18:54
* solca fixes less than what he brokes18:54
kulveStskeeps: we don't use manual updates I think18:55
Stskeepsdefinately speeds things up, just noticed you had a manual_updates branch, but it seemed to be for xv stuff18:55
solcaStskeeps: when trying to implement double buffering in the kernel I found that omapfb does have18:57
solcavariuos "planes"18:57
Meizirkkisolca: itold you that it does not work18:57
solcafor xv18:58
Meizirkkisolca: when i get kb to work i will manually add ssid18:58
Stskeepssolca: yeah18:58
solcaStskeeps: I'm getting crashes maybe because the LCD cant cope with double buffering18:58
Meizirkkisolca: even the qwerty.kl won't work18:58
Stskeepssolca: no clue from here :P18:59
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andre__Should go and buy three kilograms of chocolate now.19:00
solcaMeizirkki: Stskeeps k, will keep investigating, maybe doing flipping with the planes could solve the whole thing19:00
solcaMeizirkki: *sorry19:00
Stskeepsandre__: and a hello kitty tshirt?19:00
Meizirkkisolca: no problem19:00
solcaMeizirkki: there is another file19:00
andre__Stskeeps, with sugar on top, please! YAY!19:00
solcaMeizirkki: /system/usr/keychars/Internal_keyboard.kcm.bin19:01
Meizirkkisolca: i should delete it?19:01
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solcayea delete it19:01
solcaor move it19:01
solcabut you got to reboot19:01
RST38handre: Buy it and use it to bribe female clerks19:02
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andre__RST38h, i already have a skirt, isn't that enough?19:03
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Meizirkkisolca: is there a way to mount androids rootfs to one dir in my computer19:03
Meizirkkiwith adb19:03
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solcaMeizirkki: dunno, but you can push or pull files at will19:04
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Meizirkkisolca: i have had no fading away problems with this kernel :)19:04
RST38handre: No. Chocolate is just about the best bribing currency though19:05
solcaMeizirkki: I ocassionally get one when forcing to much redraws19:05
disco_stusomeone notices difference between class 4 and class 6 mem cards in their tablets ?19:05
solcaMeizirkki: so Wifi doesnt work19:05
RST38hqwerty: This stuff looks suspiciously like firmware19:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: \o/19:05
Meizirkkisolca: sure?19:06
* andre__ writes down the words of wisdom from RST38h19:06
solcaqwerty12: that is good news19:06
qwerty12RST38h, if it is, you won't hear a word of complaint from me ;P19:06
* solca wonders how much performance drops from not calibrating19:06
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RST38hBTW, gPhone is now sold unlocked, for $400 + $25 for developer registration19:09
RST38hIn case anybody feels like writing Java apps at the cost of $425...19:09
AStormI wouldn't want to write Java apps even if paid to do so19:10
AStormunless I'd be paid a lot :P19:10
RST38hAStorm: There is plenty of people in Mumbai who will be willing to write 'em for less =)19:11
andre__Yay, Bugzilla back up for public. Enjoy the party. I want flames!19:11
qwerty12WOOT WOOT19:11
* AStorm sets andre__ on fire19:11
AStormyou wanted flames, right?19:11
andre__w00t w00t, exactly :)19:11
* RST38h feels more and more like "I don't give a fuck" when commenting on bugs recently19:11
t_s_oburn the heretics! *moahahahahahaha!*19:11
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RST38hNot much is gonna happen anyway19:12
AStormRST38h, as to outsourcing, they'll do it worse19:12
RST38hAStorm: Ah, nobody cares how java apps are written =)19:12
RST38hIt is like VB - the standards are pretty low there19:12
AStormthat's why I dislike it, with a passion :P19:13
x29acant wait for christmas19:13
disco_stuRST38h: thats not true19:14
AStormuhm, no, no more bells19:14
RST38hNobody is gonna tap you to do it though. Eastern Europe prices are higher so the only reason to outsource to Eastern Europe is when you actually want a developer who can do stuff on his own and explain it in passable English19:14
AStormespecially jingling19:14
AStormRST38h, indeed19:14
RST38hOtherwise for each of you there are 5 Indians and 50 Chinese willing to do the work, cheaper19:15
AStormthat's why I'm looking for a nice embedded soft coding job :>19:15
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* RST38h wonders how long those are gonna last, with so many people being fired stateside...19:16
AStormchinese can't write english19:17
x29aAStorm: hehe, i hope my n810 will jingle the bells19:17
AStormmost of them19:17
AStormRST38h, here they're still hiring19:17
AStormbut there's a problem with lack of proper R&D centers19:18
AStormso really all the jobs are truly denigrating java orm...19:18
AStormor analysis19:18
AStormbad country for me19:19
AStormshould move to Finland or somewhere19:19
AStorm(prereq is learning Finnish)19:20
AStormor to Germany (prereq: improving my weak German)19:20
AStormso, meh19:20
Stskeepsisn't prereq practising on your vodka drinking skills?19:20
Stskeepsfor .fi19:20
AStormStskeeps, I'm Polish19:21
AStormI can outdrink anyone who's not Russian19:21
Stskeepswell in shape then.19:21
* Stskeeps has a polish gf and when he met his mother in law first time, i was welcomed with several vodka shots..19:21
RST38hAStorm: Same here, although at a lower rate19:21
trenkaAStorm: competition? ;)19:21
AStormtrenka, nah, I don't have any on me19:22
Meizirkkisolca: instead of fadeaways android sometimes power-offs19:22
RST38hAStorm: Although they have started firing the office mice - bottom level managers, journalists, sales people19:22
AStormand a pointless management plan to write19:22
AStormRST38h, expecting recession?19:22
RST38hAStorm: Apparently, you can survive in Fnland with English alone19:22
AStormthey are acting as to make one :P19:23
RST38hGermany - prolly need to learn German19:23
^Tux^I'm .us, but I once broke a metacarpel in my hand after drinking > 1gal of tank-car vodka (heaven hill) and doing cart-wheels off a deck.. so I'll get in on this vodka challenge.. :P19:23
AStormreally? I'll try it then19:23
solcaMeizirkki: can you check if it happens when idle?19:23
RST38hAStorm: entering recession already19:23
solcaMeizirkki: and how you feel it in speed compared to yesterdays version?19:23
AStormTux: hmmm, then you were drunk19:24
RST38hAStorm: construction slowing down, realty prices falling, etc19:24
AStormRST38h, yep, bad times19:24
RST38hAStorm: The place is tied up to the oil/gas/ore prices and those are falling through the floor19:24
AStormand in this fun time I get to enter the marketplace19:24
Meizirkkisolca: it happens randomly19:24
^Tux^drunk was an understatement19:24
Meizirkkisolca: i think the speed is mostly same19:25
Meizirkkisolca: not slower19:25
AStormTux: 1gal = x liter?19:25
^Tux^1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liter19:25
RST38hAStorm: Somehow I do not think embedded programmming stuff is going anywhere19:25
RST38hIt is akin to coffin making in that sense =)19:25
solcaMeizirkki: do you think the speed is to slow or is adequate?19:25
AStormRST38h, but demand will go up19:25
AStormthe devices will always be needed19:26
RST38hAStorm: For coffins or embedded devices? =)19:26
solcaMeizirkki: I can't figure out how to squeeze more speed thoug19:26
AStormheck, I could write code for washing machines too19:26
AStormRST38h, both :P19:26
x29awhich devices do you guys have?19:26
* RST38h wrote code for a hot dog making machine once19:26
* x29a is getting hungry19:26
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ShadowJKIf you think speed is too slow, well it's always going to be "too slow", because desktop will still be ahead of whatever you've got in your hand :P19:26
RST38hand had to help designing the hw too19:26
AStormShadowJK, :>19:27
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AStormRST38h, fun, fun, fun19:27
lcukShadowJK, psh, design to take these things into account and it wont be slow19:27
^Tux^I hear JK has the problem of things being "too small" vs "too slow" when they're in his hand19:27
Meizirkkisolca: i think the speed is good enough for me, it is not too slow. at the end, n810:s hardware is not very fast19:27
AStormRST38h, unlike coding Java19:27
RST38hAStorm: the way it cooked the sausage was almost erotic19:27
* lcuk thinks the n810 is fast19:27
ShadowJKAnd if you have a webpage with 10 CPU hogging flash applets that peak your quad core desktop but still works fine, obviously it's going to be horrible on any CPU that fits with a powersource in your hand19:28
RST38hlcuk: When compared with my OMAP850 based E70 - yes19:28
AStormn810 is fairly fast19:28
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AStormcould use 2x ram and OMAP319:28
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solcaMeizirkki: ok, I'm getting tired of the keyboard malfunction, is the next thing I'll fix19:28
ShadowJKE70 with opera mini loads reuters about 10 times faster than N810 :-)19:28
AStormand proper LCD controller19:28
RST38hflash is just badly implemented, it is not supposed to hog CPU19:28
solcaI promise :)19:28
t_s_ohmm, a unlocked version of G1, just need to sign up for a dev account over at google. tempting ;)19:28
lcukAStorm, it would be faster if it could simply use all its limbs19:28
RST38hShadow: Unless the OS decides to terminate that Opera when the memory gets exhausted19:28
AStormlcuk, hmm?19:29
ShadowJKRST38h, and on N810 instead of getting the browser terminated, the watchdog just reboots the entire device when it starts swapping too much, heh.19:29
AStormShadowJK, sorry, not19:29
AStormI checked19:29
Stskeepst_s_o: "telnetd"19:29
Meizirkkisolca: from adb: # wlan_loader19:29
Meizirkkifatal error opening "/sys/power/acquire_partial_wake_lock"19:29
AStormShadowJK, haha, simple to fix19:29
RST38hShadow: Never happened to me19:29
lcukpowervr iva etc19:30
AStormsysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=219:30
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lcuk2d accel19:30
ShadowJKAStorm, it does it even if I have lots of swapspace free?19:30
AStormlcuk, well, yes19:30
solcaMeizirkki: no idea, wlan_loader is the tiwlan driver loader for the G119:30
AStormstill, lcd controller is junk19:30
solcaMeizirkki: (I presume)19:30
Meizirkkisolca: ok19:30
suihkulokkiyeah, knowing finnish is not a requirement for (tech) job in .fi19:30
AStormShadowJK, that's old cpu sched for you19:30
suihkulokkialcoholo consumpition skills are, however, a bonus :)19:30
solcaMeizirkki: logcat can tell you more things19:31
t_s_oStskeeps: yep, i know about that bug...19:31
AStormShadowJK, also, olld timing code using jiffies19:31
t_s_oiirc, its patched now19:31
ShadowJKI don't really believe much in the idea that giving more computing power will make things faster. People constnatly find new stupid things to waste CPU,GPU and whatever on to take you back to slowness again :)19:31
AStormShadowJK, all fixed some time ago in linux-omap19:31
lcukShadowJK, +119:32
AStormShadowJK, unless we go to full 3D19:32
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lcukAStorm: farcry19:32
ShadowJKAStorm, I imagine it's just because flash is so slow to swap to, that it takes more than 30 seconds for whatever daeemon that prods the watchdog to run?19:32
Meizirkkisolca: android settings says wlan is on, but netcfg says it is down...19:32
AStormin 2D, there's just so many things to waste power on19:32
AStormShadowJK, yes19:32
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AStormand watchdog isn't getting scheduled19:33
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AStormthanks to O(1) sched19:33
Riiikais there some lighter/faster flash to install to newest OS2007HE in Nokia 770 than flash9?19:33
solcaMeizirkki: yea something is not working right, as when I turn on is good but if I turn it off the on it doesnt get on until next reboot19:33
AStormRiiika, I don't think so19:33
Meizirkkisolca: yep19:33
t_s_oits kinda funny how gpe file manager can scroll using dpad without input lag (release button, it stops) while app manger and other nokia made apps seems to scroll for 10 seconds after button is released...19:34
solcawell got to go, see you19:34
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Meizirkkisolca: # netcfg wlan0 up action 'up' failed (No such file or directory)19:34
ShadowJKMeizirkki, you can certainly slow things down with 3D too. Like, on my desktop I can use the gl output of MPlayer, the scaling and transform is accelerated by the GPU. This is however slower than Xv, which has a more direct 2D path to do the same. The GL approach starts performing better once you also have it do things liek sharpening, that you'd have to do in software with Xvideo..19:34
AStormt_s_o, it's the same code really... they need to switch the kernel19:34
AStormand check ondemand settings19:34
Meizirkkisolca: bye19:35
AStormset the threshold to 50 (it's 80 now)19:35
t_s_oAStorm: sorry?19:35
ShadowJKAStorm, the CPU scheduler can't do much if it's waiting for the watchdog to come back from swap... It'd need cleverer io scheduling and shorter io queues maybe..19:35
AStormShadowJK, watchdog won't be swapped19:35
t_s_oi was talking about gpe file manager in use on my N800 running diablo...19:35
AStormbecause it's an RT task19:35
ShadowJKAStorm, which of the daemons is responsible for prodding the watchdog?19:36
AStormt_s_o, it's the same gtk code19:36
AStormShadowJK, hmm, dsme afaicr19:36
t_s_oin other words, its something internal to the other code thats the issue?19:36
AStormbut you can also prod it manually via sysfs19:36
lcukGeneralAntilles, i saw that, the contacts looks like mine damn them \@/ and the camera one isnt real19:37
t_s_oGeneralAntilles: looks like someone is dreaming of a iphone...19:37
AStormt_s_o, yup19:37
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ShadowJKAStorm, dsme doesn't seem to have locked its memory? if you can at all trust the busybox 'ps'...19:37
GeneralAntillest_s_o, it really does19:37
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lcuki wonder if the contacts are going to be floating like mine do19:37
GeneralAntillesInteresting that they'd use an N810 for what appears to be phone interface mockups.19:37
AStormShadowJK, sure19:37
AStormit should mlock19:37
ShadowJKright, /proc/pid/status confirms that dsme's memory pages aren't locked, so it gets paged out like everything else too, even if its priority is set lower19:38
ShadowJKand it's not RT priority?19:38
AStormbut newer kernels won't swap out any RT priority tasks19:38
t_s_othe top right image reminds me of samsungs latest phone interface, only that samsung have the menu on the left...19:38
t_s_oall in all, meh...19:39
AStormShadowJK, ooh, bug!19:39
AStormfix it, simple initfs change19:39
AStormmlock will be harder19:39
AStormalternatively, write a tiny daemon to prod the watchdog19:39
ShadowJKbme_RX-44 on the other hand is running at RT priority...19:40
ShadowJKdsme is just nice -119:40
AStormI might have mixed them up19:40
AStormcheck which one is started in initfs19:40
qwerty12They're both started from initfs iirc19:41
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t_s_ogah, i really would like a mark option in the edit menu of the browser, that would basically lock the scroll and allow me to mark text with a simple drag of the stylus rather then the somewhat silly double-tap and drag we have today...19:42
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AStormyup, that would be nice19:43
AStormwrite a bug maybe?19:43
t_s_oiirc, i may already have...19:43
* GeneralAntilles doesn't recall one.19:43
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t_s_oprobably will go "fixed in fremantle" if not tho...19:43
GeneralAntillesI don't see them implementing something kludgy like that19:43
AStormone menu option? :P19:44
GeneralAntillesAStorm, pfft.19:44
t_s_owell, thats the option alternative, GeneralAntilles19:44
GeneralAntillesYou know better than that.19:44
lcukif we have a keyboard we could have something like shift to lock19:44
AStormwhere's the kludge? it would be one step closer to vimperator :P19:44
AStorm(modal browser)19:44
t_s_olcuk: sadly i only own a N800...19:44
ShadowJKI'd like to have an option to lock to right click, for times when I don't want it to mistake a hold for left click19:44
GeneralAntillesJust wait for Fremantle's fully open-source browser19:45
t_s_omeh, maybe we could get someone in the community to unofficially patch the brower ui. or was that proprietary code?19:45
AStormxul or gtk?19:45
GeneralAntillest_s_o, it's closed.19:45
GeneralAntillesBetter off talking to Bundyo about his selection methods19:45
AStormt_s_o, fremantle will have that opened19:46
t_s_oAStorm: at that point i may as well be using a pandora...19:46
ShadowJKhow does browser/browserd work, does browser just give a window ID for browserd to display to? is browserd opensource?19:46
AStormt_s_o, heh. yes19:46
RST38hPandora? Hehe :)19:47
AStormShadowJK, no and no19:47
lcukpeople have their pandoras now don't they?19:47
RST38hlcuk: delayed by 6 months19:47
lcuktheres a surprise19:47
* GeneralAntilles thinks pancake's a bit bitter.19:47
GeneralAntillest_s_o, and what prevents you from running Fremantle on that? :P19:47
t_s_oon what? the pandora? nothing, but im not sure i would want to...19:48
lcukGeneralAntilles, you can make the pancake sweeter by adding more memory to it19:48
StsN800GeneralAntilles, pancake=0xffff guy or?19:48
t_s_oas i suspect nokia will be sneaking in some elements of "differentiation"...19:48
GeneralAntillesStsN800, yes, maemo-community post.19:48
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GeneralAntillest_s_o, sneaking?19:48
AStormwhat for?19:49
GeneralAntillesYou do realize Fremantle will be significantly more open than Diablo, right?19:49
RST38hAStorm: To sell more different devices19:49
ShadowJKI wonder if they will kill icd19:49
RST38hThis has been their trademark behaviour for years19:49
AStormRST38h, different target audience?19:49
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, supposedly the networking setup will be changing.19:49
RST38hAStorm: Yes, basically the same hardware but some features (usually software like fast JVM or 3D API) disabled in some phones19:49
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, icd is awesome, so it would be in line with big corporation behaviour to kill it :)19:49
t_s_oGeneralAntilles: i will continue to be sceptical until the i see screenshots of running software, downloaded and compiled by not working for nokia...19:50
GeneralAntillest_s_o, if the code is available. :\19:50
lcukt_s_o, they only need to release source once it goes on sale, before then they can stay in whatever cathederal they want19:50
AStormRST38h, actually, yes19:50
t_s_olcuk: bingo...19:51
lcukbut clutter itself is already open and available19:51
GeneralAntilleslcuk, um, Fremantle beta?19:51
* lcuk lives in a little chapel19:51
GeneralAntillesInteresting to note that there's no mention of the delays on
lcukGeneralAntilles, the fremantle beta is the core base with no applications19:51
lcukor thats what i read19:51
GeneralAntilleslcuk, none at all?19:51
GeneralAntillesI believe you're confusing the beta with the alpha19:52
GeneralAntillesBesides, h-a-m is shipping with the alpha.19:52
lcukim oging under the impression it will be like xepyhr is currently19:52
lcukcore hildon with no apps19:52
GeneralAntillesYou'd be under the wrong impression.19:52
lcukthen im in for a pleasant surprise then!19:52
GeneralAntilles"Beta SDK released between March-May, ready for application development including support for Mozilla based browser and Greasemonkey add-ons."19:53
GeneralAntillesClearly that'll include the browser19:53
GeneralAntillesSo there's at least two applications, h-a-m and MicroB19:53
lcukno, it says support for, not includes19:54
GeneralAntilleslcuk, how do you plan on testing addons without a browser? :)19:55
lcuki dont plan on testing the browser, but i thought xul was universal19:55
suihkulokkicompletly OT: what's the easiest way to provide some n00b a easy way to upload a huge file?19:56
qwerty12root access to your server19:56
GeneralAntillesHow huge?19:56
lcukyes, i concur with qwerty12, post your passwords19:56
t_s_oi have probably asked about this somewhere else, but why isnt the browser interface open source? are the opera binding still floating around in there?19:56
lcuksuihkulokki, is it regular uploads?19:56
lcukand do you have control of the server19:57
GeneralAntillest_s_o, a variety of reasons, likely.19:57
lcukregular as in often19:57
GeneralAntillest_s_o, probably some having to do with availability of time, others to do with silly management thinking about differentiation.19:57
suihkulokkilcuk: for now it's one-time case. yes, I have any full control.19:58
GeneralAntillesOpera (closed everything) -> Diablo MicroB (open engine) -> Fremantle MicroB (open everything)19:58
GeneralAntillesIt's a progression. :P19:58
suihkulokkiI know apache/php is not going to be easy19:58
t_s_o <- this kind of management i take it?19:58
lcuksuihkulokki, if they are trusted users give them ftp account access, its resumable19:58
lcuk(i think)19:59
suihkulokkithe problem with ftp is 1) firewalls 2) risk of becoming a international piracy hub20:00
lcuksuihkulokki, not really, you can give upload perms only20:00
lcukfirewalls mostly allow easy ftp through20:00
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GeneralAntillesLet's go simple, what about or similar?20:01
lcuki still dont know how you get from an ftp account to international piracy hub20:01
lcukyou have control of the users and access permissions and quotas and everything20:02
qwerty12lcuk, I don't know about now, but pirates used to scan for dodgy ftp's and upload their warez there20:02
AStormpublic upload and download -> piracy20:02
lcukdodgy == fully open with silly permissions == granted.  but ftp is the still the usual way to transfer big files20:03
AStormthat's why any public upload dir must not have download permissions20:03
StsN800qwerty12, silly ones yeah20:03
lcuksuihkulokki, you could write some kind of torrent tracker and let your users add their files to it20:04
lcukwhen you notice a new file has been added just start downloading yourself (after making sure it doesnt contain the words "britney" && "naked"20:05
* suihkulokki grumbles about legacy protocols and starts reading vsftp docs20:06
AStormprivate tracker theen20:06
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t_s_ohmm, is there a way to alter the font size of just the input boxes in the browser, or do i have to alter the fonts completely?20:30
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lcukt_s_o, sounds like a sane usability upgrade, but ive never see na way to do it without hacks.  you oculd possibly do some css tweaking20:40
GeneralAntillesHe apparently wants comments, but there appears to be no way to register an account to post them. <_<
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: indeed20:42
Stskeepsi ran into the same20:42
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: <- weird hildon layout i found dormant from 17 months ago in hildon-desktop :P20:43
AStormN97 is suck, yup20:44
AStormas is Symbian :P20:44
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, lol20:46
GeneralAntillesLooks like Ubuntu Mobile or Moblin20:46
GeneralAntillesAStorm, that's exactly the thing for me.20:46
Stskeepsyeah, but widescreen wasn't that bad for browsing20:46
GeneralAntillesWhatever may be cool for hardware-wise in a phone, the software kills it.20:46
GeneralAntillesI just don't care about Symbion/WinMob/Palm/iPhone OS/whatever20:47
GeneralAntillesThey're all sucky and limiting20:47
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GeneralAntillesand I don't want to pay $500+ for "sucky and limiting"20:47
AStormof these, ... I'd pick Linux :P20:48
GeneralAntillesI want to be able to do stuff with a device that costs as much as a small laptop20:48
GeneralAntillesSymbian doesn't let me do stuf20:48
ShadowJKn97 costs more than a small laptop :)20:49
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, let's not quibble lamely over degrees. . . .20:49
GeneralAntillesI could pick out a small laptop which it is marginally less expensive than.20:50
t_s_olcuk: from what i can tell on the forum, altering the minium font size alters everything. but interestingly enough it can be done via bookmarks ;)20:50
t_s_oso that one can bump the fontsize up while entering something by bluetooth keyboard and them bump it back down afterwards...20:51
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: but we're finally on a sane level again now (
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, lol.20:52
GeneralAntilles"Welcome to Mer/the Diablo SDK"20:52
Stskeepsat least it's not LCARS.20:53
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Stskeepsi've also seperated hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop app20:53
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure if shipping LCARS as default would attract the right or wrong sort of people. :P20:53
Stskeepswhich means it is possible to tinker with the interface20:53
Stskeepsso if you want a widescreen theme, or mess things up, it's easy :P20:54
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GeneralAntillesWhy can't we just let the losers go under and free up that capital for productive economic pursuits? :\21:01
Stskeepscommunism, my comrade21:02
GeneralAntillesYeah, that. :/21:02
GeneralAntillesObama's bringing change my ass.21:02
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AStormGeneralAntilles, except that loser will drop a bomb in unemployed people21:05
ShadowJKIt's a month or more until he becomes president?21:05
^Tux^a little over21:05
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ShadowJKThe thing that puzzles me is21:06
ShadowJKwhy do they need money to developer more efficient cars, when they already sell such cars in europe, heh21:07
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^Tux^probably because of .us epa laws21:07
^Tux^the clusterfuck that it is21:07
AStormbecause of patents21:07
AStormthey can't just steal some ideas21:07
RST38hGeneral: ever read Fred?21:08
GeneralAntillesAStorm, steal what ideas? ShadowJK is talking about the more efficient American cars that Ford, etc sell in Europe21:08
GeneralAntillesNot European cars. :\21:08
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RST38hThat "Ford" is actually Mazda =)21:08
GeneralAntilles^Tux^ is right, the EPA regulations are to blame.21:08
AStormah these21:08
^Tux^fuck it.. they'll have to pry my v8's from my cold dying foot21:09
RST38hGeneral: Anyways, check out
GeneralAntillesNo, haven't read Fred, RST38h.21:09
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RST38hThe guy is somewhat repetitive but usually fun to read21:09
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Stskeepshm, didn't know iTT showed who voted for what21:14
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, depends on the poll21:14
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lcukStskeeps, wheres that21:21
Stskeepsah, it was the "going to buy n900" poll21:21
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the one where he voted for who he hates most.21:21
lcuki, for one, am also shocked the poll results are available - not for personal reasons merely because no other online site offers public stats like that21:22
GeneralAntilleslcuk, lol?21:23
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GeneralAntillesLots of forums offer polls21:23
lcukyeah but most dont show who voted for what21:24
GeneralAntillesIt helps me put together shit lists. :P21:24
* ^Tux^ hates Stskeeps21:24
Stskeeps^Tux^: i know21:25
^Tux^oh wait.. shit.. I can do it annonymously?21:25
* ^Tux^ runs21:25
GeneralAntillesWe ALL hate Stskeeps. :P21:25
^Tux^if I really hated you.. would I have sat around harassing you for ummm...21:25
^Tux^what like almost a decade now?21:25
lcuktux, love n hate relationship, you love to hate him21:25
^Tux^I really love it when he hates me21:26
Stskeeps^Tux^: yeah, close to (a decade)21:26
^Tux^like when the LRTF was in full force21:26
* lcuk makes his fishy stop swimming now21:27
lcukheh qwerty, its part of my rebuild i have a fishy sketch rendering continuously swimming around my screen21:28
RST38hlcuk: ading salt, pepper, and boiling the tank?21:28
GeneralAntilleslol, liquarium21:28
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, nice :D21:29
lcukactually, its a small shoal of overlapping fishies21:29
* Stskeeps goes port advanced backlight to Mer.21:31
Stskeeps(.. again)21:32
* ^Tux^ slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout21:32
pupnikn900 should be very exciting device21:32
^Tux^do it right the first time, beotch21:32
pupnikhaha @ t-shirt21:33
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sin18my tablet (nokia n800/diablo) is sporadically updating and get 'rescuing software update please do not interrupt' message when it boots .... any ideas ?21:34
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t_s_onever heard of that before...21:46
* qwerty12_N800 has had it once but after rebooting, it started normally21:46
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GeneralAntillessin18, there's supposedly a recovery mode21:51
GeneralAntillesI don't really have any details on it, though.21:51
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sin18GeneralAntilles : surprisingly i couldnt find any info on internetablettalk21:52
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GeneralAntillessin18, I don't know what causes it to activate or what, exactly, it does.21:53
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pupnikneed to build dosbox with dynrec core...22:06
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RST38hMore ugly iPhone-related shit:
* Stskeeps hugs his tablet22:31
ssvbpupnik: I heard that dosbox dynrec core for ARM is not so fast as it could be, what was your experience using it?22:32
* qwerty12_N800 remembers Scary Movie 2 with "Santa Claus is coming to moms"22:33
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pupnikhaven't tried it yet ssvb22:37
ssvbok, i see22:37
ssvbI just thought that it might be a good idea to try improving it22:38
b1ackdeathi have the my n810 with the rotation stuff installed but, the applactation manager always wants to update the kernel flasher and destroy it, is there a way to tell the aplaction manager that its update22:42
qwerty12_N800google something like apt-get pinning22:43
b1ackdeathsorry about the spelling i have really bad dyslexia22:43
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, osv-u?22:43
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, ?22:44
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked should solve it, right?22:44
qwerty12_N800I think his problem is that the original kernel / xserver keeps showing up as an update. Jott installs his own version of osso-software-version22:45
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, jott just uses Nokia's osv-u22:46
GeneralAntillesHe just provides it himself since Nokia can't seem to wrap their heads around proper repository structures.22:46
qwerty12_N800True, but with differences. Look at the ~rotate epochs with jott's version22:47
Stskeepsmvo seems to be busy on documentation/making policy, atleast22:47
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, either way, jott's method seems to be slightly easy to use than pinning.22:47
GeneralAntilles"apt-get install rotation-support-n810"22:47
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qwerty12_N800I don't know how rotation was installed by b1ackdeath but back to the transporter 3 :)22:49
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InteliWaspis there any problems with canola beta 9 maemo3?22:51
b1ackdeathqwerty12_N800,  i installed kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200823maemo3_all.modfied.deb,libxrandr2_1.2.1-1_armel.deb,rotate-sb-plugin_0.1-1_armel.deb,xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb22:51
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qwerty12_N800sounds like the old shit I put out. use GeneralAntilles's link22:51
GeneralAntillesb1ackdeath, you can use adv-backlight for rotation, too.22:52
b1ackdeathi do =p22:52
GeneralAntillesClick the .install appropriate for your tablet22:52
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GeneralAntillesApplication Manager will bitch at you, tap through its dialogs then close it22:52
GeneralAntillesthen run "apt-get install rotation-support-n810"22:53
ShadowJKdoes wayfinder work rotated?22:53
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InteliWaspis there a way to make a text file of all the packages on my n800?23:05
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qwerty12_N800could try 'dpkg-query -l > /what/ever.txt'23:06
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Stskeepsevening m-vo23:11
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GeneralAntillesHowdy, m-vo. :)23:15
* m-vo is trying out ERC that he has installed using Tom Tromey's Elisp package manager.23:15
RST38hDecoy fails to deploy, but missile test called 'success' <== umgh23:16
StskeepsRST38h: Star Wars project?23:16
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m-voGeneralAntilles: I pushed the translations, did you try them?23:17
InteliWaspqwerty12_N800, thanks23:17
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RST38hSts: goddamn interceptor-based missile defense23:17
StskeepsRST38h: yup, SDI :P23:17
Stskeepsit's not a good system when even a west wing episode deals with the topic..23:18
GeneralAntillesm-vo, haven't looked yet, gearing up for finals next week. ;)23:18
Stskeeps.. or even robocop23:18
RST38hSts: SDI was a little bit different animal23:18
RST38hSts: This one is based on intercepting a ballistic missile at the early stage (after launch)23:19
RST38hSts: Bush majorly pissed off the Russians by insisting on placing it in .PL and .CZ "to protect against Iran"23:19
RST38hAnd the thing doesn't even work properly =(23:20
m-voGeneralAntilles: ahh, good luck!23:20
StskeepsRST38h: given his knowledge of geography, he probably thinks iran is a state within russia.23:20
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RST38hSts: Whatever he thinks, his handlers definitely know what they are doing23:22
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* Stskeeps queues advanced-backlight for build23:31
RST38hreminds me to make myself an empty project for the status bar applet23:33
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Stskeepslo moontiger23:35
moontigerpublic internet in madrid sux23:36
Stskeepsaren't there hordes of FON spots?23:36
moontigerut i do have my 3g data plan and can connect thru that at reasonable speeds23:37
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moontigerim on prepaid right now so its 1.39E per day23:37
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RST38hNot bad23:39
Meiz_n810here i would be 1.39E per megabyte23:43
pupnikthose insane roaming costs should be ruled illegal23:46
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GeneralAntilleslol, pupnik. :p23:46
GeneralAntillesthey just need to kill the damn monopolies23:46
Meiz_n810pupnik: it is not roaming :)23:47
Stskeepspupnik: yet when you're standing in the mountains of poland and you have no wifi nearby to catch with the tablet.. you pay it :(23:47
Meiz_n810Ubuntu-MID is installable =P23:48
pupnikMeiz_n810: on N8x0?23:49
StskeepsMeiz_n810: scary23:49
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Stskeepsflash or kourou?23:49
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Meiz_n810both are available but i have no idea what it will use23:50
Stskeepsinteresting anyway :)23:50
* Stskeeps continues beating adv-backlight into submission23:50
* GeneralAntilles comforts adv-backlight.23:50
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Stskeepsatleast with this build procedure we're sure the packages are clean and neat. :P23:52
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pupnik"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case....   Coincidence?" --Stephen Wright23:55
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^Tux^slow drinkers23:59
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