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| winston_ | hi, does anyone have a guess when the successor to the n810 will be in stores? | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | winston_, total guesswork: Summer 2009. | 00:01 |
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| Scumgrief_ | Oh Hi general - I know you from the ITT forums | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm everywhere. :P | 00:03 |
| Scumgrief_ | I really don't think there is a device better suited for me than the n810, for its like a low power linux pocket machine | 00:03 |
| Scumgrief_ | as it seems you are everywhere =P | 00:03 |
| `0660 | i don't think he ever sleeps | 00:04 |
| Scumgrief_ | would you recommend a go everywhere machine the size of the n810 or smaller that is linux based other than the n810? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | `0660, not this evening, anyway. <_< | 00:05 |
| Scumgrief_ | yeah, he seems to not sleep | 00:05 |
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| `0660 | Scumgrief_, i think it depends | 00:06 |
| `0660 | the smaller the device is, the more portable it is. in the other hand, the smalle the device is, the more limited it is | 00:06 |
| Scumgrief_ | like the size of the n810 | 00:07 |
| Scumgrief_ | i mean pocktable | 00:07 |
| `0660 | it's big compared to mobile phone, and small compared to a netbook | 00:07 |
| `0660 | very small | 00:07 |
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| Scumgrief_ | yeah, I did have an EEE PC but that was too limiting, i couldn't run it off batt very long, nor could I use it on the go | 00:08 |
| Scumgrief_ | a netbook i will get when I get a job lol | 00:08 |
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| `0660 | i think mobile phone, internet tablet, netbook, and desktop all have their own slot to fill | 00:12 |
| Scumgrief_ | yeah, i agree. | 00:12 |
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| Proteous | I want a mobile phone + internet tablet device combo that doesn't suck | 00:31 |
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| Proteous | er, combo device, not device combo | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 3310 + 770 = the shit | 00:32 |
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| `0660 | Proteous, who knows, n900 might be able to make calls :) | 00:34 |
| Proteous | I'm sorta lusting after the new n97 | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | VoIP, surely. | 00:36 |
| Proteous | could be cool or could suck | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But definitely not cellular voice. | 00:36 |
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| Proteous | not sure if it will ever make it to the states though... | 00:36 |
| `0660 | i guess voip might actually work ok | 00:36 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:36 |
| `0660 | because of the 3g stack... | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Proteous, probably would on t-mobile or at&t | 00:37 |
| Proteous | right now I pair up my n810 with my pantech c150 which works well but it's a lot to carry around | 00:37 |
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| disco_stu | wow the n97 i sooo cool | 00:39 |
| Proteous | I like that the screen is at least somewhat high rez | 00:39 |
| Proteous | need to be able to fit more then 3 lines of an ssh session on there for it to be a usefull device to me :) | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | what century are you in that 640x350(sp) is high res? :P | 00:40 |
| Proteous | for a phone it's not bad | 00:40 |
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| Proteous | it's not 800x480 like my n810 but that's okay, it's a narrower device | 00:41 |
| disco_stu | well in real use it doesn perform like in the nokia demo | 00:41 |
| Proteous | there are some hands on videos | 00:41 |
| disco_stu | yeah, i just saw them | 00:41 |
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| disco_stu | the ui is slow | 00:43 |
| disco_stu | and buggy | 00:43 |
| `0660 | i thought they still ahd 6 months to fix bugs? | 00:44 |
| `0660 | had | 00:44 |
| Proteous | yeah | 00:44 |
| derf | disco_stu: You've just described every hand-held deivce ever. | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh, that's an interesting hinge | 00:44 |
| disco_stu | derf: iphone is the opposite | 00:45 |
| disco_stu | and it is a handheld device | 00:45 |
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| Proteous | 640x350 is way better then the iphone 480x320 iphone screen | 00:45 |
| Proteous | er, -iphone#2 | 00:45 |
| solca | ping Stskeeps | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | pong solca? | 00:47 |
| solca | Stskeeps: Hi, I have an idea about a new kind of installer and I would like to know what do you think about it | 00:47 |
| solca | and if it could be useful for your reconstructed stuff | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* i'm all ears | 00:48 |
| solca | the thing is that I port the Android OS to my N810 using the omap head tree (2.6.28-rc6) | 00:49 |
| solca | and I even have WiFi working | 00:49 |
| woglinde | solca what are you porting kernel only? | 00:49 |
| solca | but everything works with this kernel | 00:49 |
| solca | woglinde: userspace too | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | solca: oh, you're with those nth.. something people? | 00:49 |
| solca | Stskeeps: no | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:50 |
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| solca | I did it myself not knowing about them | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, quite an effort then | 00:50 |
| solca | I read today in the forum that they did something similar | 00:50 |
| solca | but with 2.6.25 | 00:50 |
| woglinde | hm dont know how well fb will work on the nxx | 00:50 |
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| solca | I try that way but was painful so I use the 2.6.27 android kernel branch and port it to 2.6.28 so Wifi works | 00:51 |
| l7 | hmm | 00:51 |
| solca | but I was wondering about a new kind of installer | 00:51 |
| solca | this is my idea, please correct me or comment about it: | 00:51 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you know if it is possible to modify behaviour of d-pad within the browser | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, yes, there's a bug with a .deb that'll do it for you even. | 00:51 |
| derf | disco_stu: A quick Google suggests that your opinion of the iPhone is not unanimous: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/18/iphone_3g_and_2_0_affected_by_buggy_software_sensors_wireless.html | 00:52 |
| solca | minimal kernel and minimal userspace based on my omap port for openwrt | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 | 00:52 |
| solca | this kernel + userspace needs to fit in the 2MB kernel partition | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | and with that, I am officially Maemoed-out for the day. . . . | 00:52 |
| solca | this kernel would be kexec capable | 00:53 |
| solca | and with a UI based on... let me find it... | 00:53 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: thanks Ryan | 00:53 |
| woglinde | solca hm klibc | 00:53 |
| solca | openwrt used uclibc | 00:54 |
| woglinde | kexec image in oe is klibc based | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | solca: so basically a glorified bootloader i guess? | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | (have you had kexec work, btw?) | 00:55 |
| solca | woglinde: kexec is a kernel feature + userspace that talks to the kernel via /proc | 00:55 |
| woglinde | solca yes | 00:55 |
| * solca can't find the UI url | 00:55 | |
| woglinde | the goal of the kexec image is that you can choose your kernel from either internal flash or sd card or whatever devices you have | 00:56 |
| solca | the thing is that this UI is used for a bootselector in the playstation 3 with openwrt for PS3 | 00:56 |
| solca | woglinde: exactly! | 00:56 |
| woglinde | yepp | 00:56 |
| solca | and this UI is very nice | 00:56 |
| solca | even it detects bootable images from usb when connected | 00:57 |
| solca | and reacts apropriately | 00:57 |
| solca | so I was thinking about doing this for my android port | 00:57 |
| solca | and can be useful for the maemo reconstructed and deblet too | 00:57 |
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| Stskeeps | this something you could see being multi-platform, too? | 00:58 |
| solca | so one can choose which partition boot | 00:58 |
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| woglinde | jeep sounds nice | 00:58 |
| woglinde | and do not touches the bootloader | 00:58 |
| solca | in this way one could boot to the normal maemo, or to deblet or whatever | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | solca: http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/petitboot/ ? | 00:58 |
| solca | it just touch the kernel particion | 00:58 |
| solca | exactly | 00:58 |
| solca | but modified for the N810 | 00:59 |
| woglinde | shouldnt be this hard | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | solca: can i ask again, have you had kexec working on n810? | 00:59 |
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| solca | I have it my running kernel but I didnt try it | 00:59 |
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| solca | is there something I should know about it? | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | alright, guess it's worth looking into, - i've heard of some problems getting it to work but it might have changed in newer kernels | 01:00 |
| solca | the "bootselector" could be any kernel as long as it can read from storage and boot the other kernels | 01:01 |
| solca | but now that you mention in I'll take a look | 01:01 |
| solca | so what do you guys think about this plan? | 01:01 |
| solca | the hard part is fit everything in 2MB | 01:02 |
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| woglinde | solca not really | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | well. in my new, if we have to do it "right", it shouldn't be limited to n8x0 platforms. as in, it should be possible to port it to x86, other armel devices etc | 01:03 |
| woglinde | using klibc or dietlibc it should work | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | new=view | 01:03 |
| woglinde | with ugly curses interface | 01:03 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps in openembedded some guys working on it with klibc for the zaurii | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | solca: and there should be elements of rescue menu stuff in it | 01:04 |
| solca | Stskeeps: like the deblet rescue menu? | 01:04 |
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| solca | it help me a lot when I was figuring out how all the stuff was structured | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like that, but in terms of restoring images from mmc, / exposing internal flash to USB, etc | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | maybe boot options for OS'es | 01:05 |
| woglinde | if there is place | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 01:06 |
| woglinde | the image should contain ubifs stuff | 01:06 |
| woglinde | that would be nice | 01:06 |
| solca | Stskeeps: the nice thing is that at least for me wifi works reliably with the new driver | 01:06 |
| woglinde | solca is wpa_suplicant working now? | 01:06 |
| solca | woglinde: I was using it (ubifs) but its very hard to make a partition image | 01:06 |
| solca | woglinde: yes | 01:06 |
| woglinde | ah cool | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | solca: you did look into Mer i presume? | 01:07 |
| solca | yes I have a very early tar installed | 01:07 |
| woglinde | so you could set all the cool stuffup with guessnet if/up down and wpa_suplicant | 01:07 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: I have it installed but I lost a month with android | 01:08 |
| solca | Stskeeps: but it is very nice and I think it could benefit from a bootselector and installer like this | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | solca: alright - well, if you would like to, try to make a writeup for a "boot selector"/rescue/device behaviour thing in http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Appendixes , and how you would like to see a distribution-agnostic "init phase" | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | just make a section calling it "Draft" | 01:09 |
| woglinde | solca hm why is it so hard with ubifs? | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | there's a draft on system architecture already, you may draw some ideas from there | 01:09 |
| solca | Stskeeps: I write too a maemo initilizer script which runs all the proprietary stuff too | 01:10 |
| woglinde | hahah | 01:10 |
| woglinde | UBIFS is a new flash file system developed by Nokia engineers | 01:10 |
| woglinde | so fremantle must have ubifs on internal flash | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh, didn't know that | 01:10 |
| woglinde | otherwise | 01:10 |
| solca | woglinde: I didnt try to hard to make it work but there is the ubifs and another layer to make it work | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: do consider they also have a openwrt-home gateway thing | 01:11 |
| woglinde | reading the ubifs site right now | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: and if you have some ideas on how vendors could support multiple distributions and aiding this part, it's also interesting | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | it is kinda nice to show a device you can show booting android if you want, mer/hildon if you want, ubuntu mobile, .. windows 3.11 | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:13 |
| solca | Stskeeps: exactly that would be nice | 01:14 |
| solca | here it is the proprietary laucher I wrote for android | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | Mer/Reconstructured is not only for the distribution, but also making a foundation for tablet like devices | 01:14 |
| solca | but could be useful for other things | 01:14 |
| solca | http://guug.org/nitboot.txt | 01:14 |
| solca | its basic now but can be improved | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks similar to what initfs does | 01:15 |
| solca | the idea is to not boot to initfs | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know, it's more of an initrd like system | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | solca: you're missing out on dyntick stuff btw | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | in that script | 01:16 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: yea, because android do it in it's init part | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 01:16 |
| solca | but can be added to and not do it in android | 01:16 |
| solca | so I was thinking about using this "boot selector" as installer too | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | you have jaiku per chance? (if not, msg me your e-mail and you'll get an invite.), that way you can track the development of Mer, which may have implications for you too | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | for imaging purposes or? | 01:18 |
| solca | my idea was embedd a minimal initramfs with the kernel and flash it to the "kernel" partition | 01:18 |
| solca | and this initramfs ideally use the petitboot and could install deblet, android maemo-recontructed etc | 01:18 |
| solca | the limiting part is the 2MB in the partition | 01:19 |
| woglinde | solca 2mb is lot of space | 01:19 |
| solca | Stskeeps: my email is solca@guug.org | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | invited | 01:19 |
| solca | woglinde: depends: my playstation3 have 8MB so petitboot have a lot of space | 01:19 |
| solca | Stskeeps: thank you | 01:20 |
| solca | woglinde: but my WRT54GL have just 4MB and I have a WRT54G which just have 2MB | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | solca: well. noone says we can't use a initfs in some generic fashion, even if it would switch between kernels | 01:20 |
| solca | Stskeeps: for having more space so you say? | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 01:21 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: but where? | 01:21 |
| solca | I dont want to touch initfs and rootfs | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | well. i guess i have the luxury of being able to ignore old time stuff | 01:22 |
| solca | and one bootselector installer for rule them all | 01:22 |
| solca | all the projects (deblet,android,maemor) | 01:22 |
| solca | Stskeeps: well normal people want to swithc between oses | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, obviously | 01:23 |
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| Stskeeps | so, if i looked at it cynically, having a kexec capable kernel, a bootmenu initfs that could do kexec, would do similar things? | 01:23 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: I presume | 01:24 |
| solca | my idea was not touch initfs and rootfs because there already is the proprietary software | 01:25 |
| solca | so with the nitboot script I could launch that software without distributing it | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:25 |
| solca | and not violationg some EULA | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, things might change a bit eventually regarding remixing and "variants" | 01:25 |
| solca | Stskeeps: but ideally if I could rewrite initfs that would be owesome | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm mostly talking from point of view that we can break down any walls we want, as we are building the "new" platfor | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | m | 01:26 |
| solca | do you redistribute proprietary stuff with deblet? | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | we do two tricks: 1) we don't distribute any images of installed deblet 2) deblet is entirely bootstrapped and everything on tablet 3) we retrieve some blobs in same manner as a SSU would | 01:28 |
| solca | good, but the new wifi driver needs a proprietary tool that is not even distributed with diablo right now | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | (by apt. and authenticating our model number) | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i have a creative script for that.. | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | sc | 01:28 |
| solca | Stskeeps: excellent | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/non-free/stlc45xx-cal/debian/postinst | 01:29 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: hmm thats the kind of stuff that I don't like but I think it is necessary | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | (don't edit this so the user invisibly answers yes, it is better to keep nokia happy in terms of binary blobs.) | 01:30 |
| Scumgrief_ | wifi driver on maemo for n810 is propietary? | 01:31 |
| solca | Stskeeps: congrats, clever script I must say | 01:31 |
| solca | Stskeeps: can I use it in the Android port? | 01:31 |
| derf | Scumgrief_: Do you know of a wifi driver that _doesn't_ contain a binary blob? | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | solca: go ahead, my only "demand"/wish is that you ask the user to agree to this license | 01:32 |
| Scumgrief_ | derf: I wish | 01:32 |
| woglinde | derf in whole or for maemo? | 01:32 |
| derf | woglinde: Yes. | 01:32 |
| woglinde | ??? | 01:32 |
| woglinde | madwifi and athereos are now without bin blob | 01:32 |
| derf | Really? | 01:33 |
| Scumgrief_ | i could say that lol | 01:33 |
| derf | (also, why are those two separate things?) | 01:33 |
| Scumgrief_ | derf: different authors i think.. | 01:33 |
| woglinde | derf history | 01:33 |
| woglinde | madwifi was the frist | 01:33 |
| derf | I had an atheros card 2~3 years ago... it worked for about 15 minutes, and then never again. | 01:33 |
| woglinde | then atheros vendor hires a driver hacker | 01:34 |
| solca | Stskeeps: so does deblet or maemo-r have a special req for the kernel? | 01:34 |
| derf | I tried getting into the driver to figure out why, but gave up. | 01:34 |
| woglinde | and now the open up the bin blob too | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | solca: nada right now | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | solca: my focus is on Mer these days. deblet is hard to make sane wrt power saving | 01:34 |
| derf | Now I just make sure not to buy machines with Atheros cards. | 01:34 |
| solca | Stskeeps: yea, I would like to help a lot with mer but I'm busy with android but | 01:35 |
| solca | we can benefit for an improved installer/bootselector | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | solca: yeah.. as said before, initial device initialization is a field we can cooperate on | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | we don't want reboot loops in either mer or android, obviously :P | 01:36 |
| solca | yea :) | 01:36 |
| solca | Stskeeps: ok so I'll work on this stuff and will ping you when I have something | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | also, mer's focus is not just on n8x0/770/n900, we look towards how it's possible to make maemo more of a generic platform | 01:37 |
| solca | hopefully this weekend | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | so it's worth thinking that into | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | alright. #reconstructedPOC on jaiku is what we do | 01:37 |
| solca | Stskeeps: excellent, I will port petitboot and try kexecing a kernel and when that works | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:38 |
| solca | I'll ping you so we can cooperate in the installing/initiliazing stuff | 01:38 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how maemo would be like on a PS3.. | 01:38 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:38 |
| solca | Stskeeps: that would be very insteresting! | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crazy fast? | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | cell-accelerated? :P | 01:39 |
| solca | Stskeeps: well if something can benefit from vector processing, sure | 01:40 |
| lcuk | if maemo was on a cell processor we would still not have access to most of the cores | 01:40 |
| solca | Stskeeps: but in general maemo on the ps3 would be very nice | 01:40 |
| lcuk | solca, wouldnt it get a bit tiring carrying around a ps3 and a screen? | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, home theater. . . . | 01:41 |
| solca | lcuk: why? the linux port uses all cores except one | 01:41 |
| solca | lcuk: :) yea that would be tiring... | 01:41 |
| lcuk | solca, we cannot use all cores on the current processor, what makes you tihnk the cell will be any different :P | 01:41 |
| solca | lcuk: define what you mean about current processor | 01:42 |
| lcuk | omap2420 | 01:43 |
| lcuk | ofc.. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, stop being silly. <_< | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | alright, i'm off to bed | 01:43 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i still want to see maemo on a wii.. :P | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the two things aren't even vaguely analogous. | 01:43 |
| solca | Stskeeps: then we could port maemo-r to the iphone when the kernel matures a bit too ;) | 01:43 |
| * lcuk reaffirms his sarcasm tag :P:P:P ^ | 01:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Text fails at sarcasm. :P | 01:44 |
| Stskeeps | solca: for good measure we call maemo-r proof of concept mer, as it's not maemo and there's trademark issues :) | 01:45 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 01:45 |
| solca | oh | 01:45 |
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| practisevoodoo | whats the easiest way to wipe an n810 back to factory state? | 02:28 |
| Proteous | reflash? | 02:29 |
| practisevoodoo | urg | 02:30 |
| practisevoodoo | thanks | 02:32 |
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| Scumgrief_ | I wish I had a n810 =-[ | 02:47 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i have a problem | 03:26 |
| disco_stu | need help | 03:26 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has many problems. | 03:26 | |
| disco_stu | lol | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | First and foremost, it's fscking cold in here. . . . :shiver: | 03:27 |
| disco_stu | well.. my problem is that after booting web browser doesnt work | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Updating... ? | 03:27 |
| disco_stu | yeah | 03:27 |
| disco_stu | i have to manually restart the deamon | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every reboot? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't reboot? :P | 03:28 |
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| l7 | how do you fix memory leaks without rebooting? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | What memory leaks? | 03:29 |
| l7 | not sure which program it was | 03:29 |
| disco_stu | and the .deb for scrolling with d-pad didnt work | 03:29 |
| l7 | i managed to bring the system down to the point where no applications could be open even though i had shut everything down | 03:29 |
| disco_stu | l7: after closing the program with the leaks, the SO should be able to automatically recover memory | 03:29 |
| l7 | yeah, i'd pretty much closed everything | 03:30 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: any help ? | 03:30 |
| l7 | maybe it was one of the applets | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, dunno. | 03:30 |
| disco_stu | damn | 03:30 |
| disco_stu | why does it says updating.. ? | 03:31 |
| disco_stu | shit without the browser i'm lost | 03:31 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, if qwerty were here he would tell you how to fix it | 03:32 |
| lcuk | hold on ill see if i can dig out what he said | 03:32 |
| disco_stu | ok | 03:32 |
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| lcuk | disco_stu, you already know the answer lol | 03:35 |
| disco_stu | restarting ? | 03:35 |
| disco_stu | or flashin ? | 03:35 |
| lcuk | my google brought me back to mariuses log of 2 minutes ago :P restart the daemon thing | 03:36 |
| lcuk | not the machine | 03:36 |
| disco_stu | yeah, what i did | 03:36 |
| disco_stu | but it is stupid | 03:36 |
| disco_stu | i cant restart it all the time | 03:36 |
| lcuk | qwerty12lcuk, if it's still not coming, as root: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon force-reload | 03:36 |
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| disco_stu | damn | 03:37 |
| disco_stu | im so disappointed | 03:37 |
| lcuk | im goin back to bed anyway, gnite | 03:38 |
| disco_stu | thanks anyway | 03:38 |
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| disco_stu | dammit stupid browser | 03:42 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i fixed it | 03:52 |
| disco_stu | if someone has this problem i can help out :) | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was it from that dpad deb? | 03:56 |
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| disco_stu | and it has to be at s99 | 04:07 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: did you read me ? | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got "[9:07pm] <disco_stu> and it has to be at s99" | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you disable browserd at some point? | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps with the services control panel applet? | 04:09 |
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| disco_stu | i killed it once | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | How? | 04:09 |
| disco_stu | killall -9 | 04:09 |
| disco_stu | since then it stopped working | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 04:09 |
| disco_stu | i had to move it from s20 to s99 | 04:09 |
| disco_stu | now works fine | 04:09 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: the .deb didnt work | 04:14 |
| disco_stu | i'll try that manually | 04:14 |
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| disco_stu | didnt work manually either | 04:28 |
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| zakkm | anyone here doesnt mind helping me install deblet on my n800? | 04:56 |
| zakkm | If you are cloning or booting other OS'es, you'll need to make such .item files | 04:58 |
| zakkm | how would i do that? | 04:58 |
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| Meiz_n810 | deblet-installer makes one for you | 05:02 |
| zakkm | but it said something about if i use clone to SD | 05:03 |
| zakkm | it will screw it up | 05:03 |
| zakkm | the bootmenu | 05:03 |
| zakkm | it will replace, and not add my clone to sd entry | 05:04 |
| zakkm | Install Bootmenu first, say yes to removing test stuff and such, say yes to including bootmenu.conf (important). Reboot when done flashing. This is a special boot menu where boot menu items are made in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item and refresh_bootmenu.d will flash this to initfs. If you are cloning or booting other OS'es, you'll need to make such .item files | 05:05 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps or Johnx: you here? | 05:07 |
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| InteliWasp | how can i make a text list of all the apps have installed? | 05:34 |
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| disco_stu | InteliWasp, apt-cache pkgnames | 05:59 |
| disco_stu | going from memory on that one.. | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My N800's almost 2 years old. | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for a new tablet. . . . | 06:09 |
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| jrayhawk | I think he meant 'installed', which would've been dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections | 06:10 |
| jrayhawk | Only I further think he meant things that are classified as "applications" by the application manager. | 06:10 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you get tables for free, huh ? | 06:19 |
| GAN800 | Full price for my first 770 and N800. | 06:19 |
| GAN800 | Half off for my second of each | 06:19 |
| disco_stu | why ? | 06:20 |
| GAN800 | But, no, I've never received any special discounts. | 06:20 |
| GAN800 | Because I got one from woot more than a year after release and another from buy the same. ;) | 06:20 |
| disco_stu | well if you get one free of charge you can give one to me :P | 06:21 |
| GAN800 | Shipping down South there is, what, $300? :P | 06:22 |
| disco_stu | i paid 300 for my n800 6 months ago | 06:23 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: what are you buying now ? | 06:24 |
| GAN800 | Nothing for the moment | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | i saw the n97 | 06:24 |
| GAN800 | Will get an N900 when it comes out | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | Cellphones do nothing for me | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | The software sucks | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: what is the n900 like ? | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: thats true | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | HD camera, 3g data, OMAP3430 | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | That's all we know | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | wow | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | hw kbd ? | 06:26 |
| GAN800 | I wish I had the money to buy a supercharger for my Camry. Both for the idiotic thrill and to sate my consumerist tendencies. | 06:26 |
| GAN800 | Likely, but there's no details available beyond those 3 | 06:27 |
| disco_stu | toyota ? | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 06:28 |
| disco_stu | you look like the average nerd guy who doesnt care about cars | 06:28 |
| disco_stu | now youre talking about turbos | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | The Scion super apparently fits | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, I care about lots of things. ;) | 06:28 |
| * disco_stu never say a scion car | 06:29 | |
| disco_stu | saw** | 06:29 |
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| GAN800 | They're Toyotas for teenagers | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | i own a peugeot | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | wich takes me to college every day | 06:30 |
| GAN800 | Toyota pushes them for the youth market in the States, but I don't know about anywhere else | 06:30 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, don't sell those here. | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | peugeot 206 ? | 06:30 |
| GAN800 | No Peugeot | 06:31 |
| disco_stu | i thought it was sold in usa | 06:31 |
| GAN800 | Nope | 06:31 |
| GAN800 | You really only see BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, VW/Audi, Ferrari | 06:31 |
| * bef0rd drools | 06:31 | |
| disco_stu | wow | 06:31 |
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| GAN800 | The Japanese basically own the economy market | 06:32 |
| GAN800 | With the US companies picking up whatever's left | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: so your tablet is 2 years old | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | VW's really the only one pushing economy Euro cars | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | Got it one day before release | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | and pre-ordered the 770 before that | 06:33 |
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| udisco_st | did it have any problems ? | 06:34 |
| GAN800 | I kinda wish I remembered exactly what turned me on to the 770 | 06:34 |
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| GAN800 | Hardware or software wise? | 06:34 |
| udisco_st | HW | 06:34 |
| GAN800 | Never had a single hardware issue | 06:34 |
| udisco_st | and bat life ? | 06:35 |
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| GAN800 | The first 770's battery is pretty much shot | 06:37 |
| GAN800 | The rest are holding up OK-ish | 06:37 |
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| disco_stu | GAN800: are you studying ? | 06:39 |
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| GAN800 | Not right at this moment. :P | 06:41 |
| disco_stu | working ? | 06:42 |
| GAN800 | Nah, I'm watching TV and chatting on IRC. ;) | 06:43 |
| GAN800 | But, yeah, I'm in school | 06:43 |
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| chrisak- | hello, looking for help setting up cellular provider manually. I'm a backpacker and in places like thailand and cambodia i can pick my mobile service from the menu. But nothing listed for vietnam. Do I need special info about service (in this case VN Mobifone) to get things working? I have tried just putting in the name as it appears in my N80's (mobile) connection list and the N800 (tablet) attempts the connection but it fails | 07:28 |
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| chrisak- | i have Mobi-gprs-wap as access point name and selected gprs. | 07:31 |
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| Meiz_n810 | So i need to have ubuntu-box to flash the android kernel or can i flash it on tablet | 08:33 |
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| Meiz_n810 | c'mon guys wake up! | 09:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | the android work now | 09:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | can i flash the kernel in diablo? | 09:03 |
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| Macer | no sprint wimax in chicago | 09:21 |
| Macer | what bullshit | 09:21 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello | 09:21 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:27 |
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| atul | Hi am trying to run my d-bus based application on emulator, on 86 platform when running it is giving me this error message " ERROR: osso_initialize failed: " | 10:44 |
| Summeli | try to run it with run-standalone.sh app | 10:52 |
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| StsN800 | hm, vagalume is pretty neat | 10:59 |
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| Proteous | what about the itching and burning? | 11:05 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 12:24 | |
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| johnx | m00f | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: how did you make hildon stop segfaulting? | 12:48 |
| johnx | I ran it on a real device | 12:48 |
| johnx | I was wrong about icons | 12:48 |
| johnx | it really is a dbus in a chroot thing from what I can tell | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:48 |
| johnx | running it on jaunty+mer on an N800 I didn't have to muck with icons anymore at all | 12:48 |
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| johnx | just apt-get install hildon-icons and make sure maemo-launcher gets started in start-hildon or before it | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | i took the liberty of compiling some of your branches yesterday | 12:50 |
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| johnx | ah, thanks | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | btw, merbuilder talks in #merbuilder from now on | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | found out how to make python jaiku behave | 12:51 |
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| johnx | ah, fun | 12:51 |
| johnx | I should add it to my RSS feed list too | 12:51 |
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| * RST38h opens his eyes and sees usual suspects | 12:52 | |
| RST38h | moo all | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's kinda weird there's a dbus problem in chroot.. how the heck does sb work then? :P | 12:53 |
| johnx | that startup script must handle it | 12:53 |
| johnx | the scratchbox one | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:53 |
| johnx | I was almost gonna try it last night, but decided that I had enough of hildon-desktop for the day | 12:54 |
| johnx | my qt4.5 build died with a signal 9 on my desktop: oom killer got it after it filled 1GB of RAM and 512MB of swap | 12:55 |
| johnx | this might be a candidate for cross compiling | 12:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:02 |
| johnx | mornin' | 13:02 |
| woglinde | hi lardman | 13:02 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: where is that channel? | 13:03 |
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| johnx | it's a jaiku channel, not IRC | 13:03 |
| lardman | ah | 13:03 |
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| suihkulokki | mark "i know imap and pop" apparently also knows wearleving better than anyone else on the mk | 13:04 |
| suihkulokki | ml | 13:04 |
| lcuk_afk | jaiku == web2.0 irc :P | 13:04 |
| lcuk_afk | but im not here right now | 13:04 |
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| lardman | suihkulokki: s/ml/planet ? ;) | 13:09 |
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| johnx | yeah, he's mostly right though | 13:20 |
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| * Stskeeps decides to clean up his inbox | 13:27 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you use our "old" packages for mer boot on n8x0 or? | 13:27 |
| johnx | yeah, deblet boot basics and utelnetd and I got a linuxrc from deblet as well | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'll make some repo packages tonight and a builder i think | 13:29 |
| johnx | other than that, I'm not messing with wifi. it's happy enough calling itself 00:00:c0:ff:ee | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:30 |
| johnx | you saw that the android guys have 2.6.25 booting happily, right? I wonder if they're going to bring the new wifi driver in too | 13:31 |
| lardman | yes looked interesting didn't it | 13:31 |
| johnx | s/android/nth something/ | 13:31 |
| infobot | johnx meant: you saw that the nth something guys have 2.6.25 booting happily, right? I wonder if they're going to bring the new wifi driver in too | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: solca was in here last night and he has 2.6.28-rc8 or something with new wifi driver | 13:31 |
| lardman | what's the planner kernel for Mer? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and android | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: no specifics yet | 13:31 |
| johnx | well, hot sauce | 13:31 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ok | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: try scroll back about 12h30m on the convo me and him had there | 13:31 |
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| johnx | heh, I'll look at my logs. I don't think I have that much scrollback | 13:32 |
| lardman | johnx: top of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-12-04.log.html | 13:32 |
| * johnx is still pissed that qt4.5 died building on a desktop with 1GB of RAM | 13:32 | |
| Stskeeps | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-12-04.log.html , scroll to 'ping Stskeeps' | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | .. what lardman said | 13:33 |
| johnx | thanks lardman | 13:33 |
| johnx | thanks Stskeeps :) | 13:33 |
| johnx | well, man, he shows up the nth right smartly :) | 13:34 |
| lardman | very impressive :) | 13:34 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: any thoughts on the use of the DSP in Mer? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: didn't really do thoughts in that direction, - things could be provided as gstreamer modules i guess (for codec stuff) | 13:35 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't have much experience with ds | 13:36 | |
| Stskeeps | p | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | how's the dsp-opengl stuff going? | 13:36 |
| lardman | I was wondering more whether you wanted to remove the proprietary bits | 13:36 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I've not had any time in the past couple of days, and haven;t seen baddu about either | 13:36 |
| lardman | I have a free weekend though so plan to do some general hacking on lots of stuff | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well. the idea is a open system, where vendors can differentiate (provide codecs for hw, hw specifics) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | even with properitary blobs | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | but there should be possiblity to remix your system and such if need be for instance | 13:37 |
| lardman | back to the DSP, ssvb was talking about (for the 770) removing the need to sink pcm data, and instead outputting that from the ARM kernel, then being able to remove the Nokia DSP kernel and provide our own | 13:37 |
| lardman | does anyone know if there's an ARM-side driver for the N810 hardware audio codec? | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | re 770 i expect we'll at least provide a tar.gz image or the likes of mer.. since we had debian working, mer shouldn't be far off | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | but in -any case-, people are most welcome to work on aspects of mer i have absolutely no clue about (dsp, etc) :P | 13:39 |
| lardman | yeah I wasn't thinking specifically of a platform, just that ssvb had mentioned if for that one | 13:39 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, well what would you like me to do is the question of course? ;) | 13:40 |
| lardman | looking at what we know about Fremantle from the summit, audio output is to be done from the ARM, and the DSP to be used to decode video, so wokring out how to output audio directly from the ARM would be worth while | 13:41 |
| lardman | and then perhaps working out how to transfer data ARM<->DSP faster too :) | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you have some ideas on things that should need an overhaul, things that could have OSS replacements, interfacing with pulseaudio and such, i'm all ears | 13:43 |
| lardman | yes | 13:43 |
| lardman | I'll do some hacking over the weekend, and we'll have a chat about it next week | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:44 |
| lardman | do you have pulseaudio working atm in your images? | 13:44 |
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| * lardman needs to catch up a bit and read the lists/wiki/etc | 13:44 | |
| Stskeeps | well, not just yet, i'm about to start building the image builders, but pulseaudio as such is there, probably just needs a backend | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | we decided to do everything by the book so we were a bit put back, so we're back at same level as before now :) | 13:46 |
| lardman | cool | 13:46 |
| lardman | where's the best place to catch up? ITT thread, mailing list? | 13:46 |
| atul | Summeli:=> Thanks | 13:47 |
| johnx | lardman, well it's pretty boring. we basically have a blank hildon-desktop up | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | Mer_Blueprint on wiki, #reconstructedPOC on jaiku, i guess | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | and what johnx said.. but this does have potential :P | 13:47 |
| lardman | ah that's a good point, lots off desktop applets are closed source are they not? | 13:47 |
| johnx | and the ones that are open aren't packaged :P | 13:48 |
| lardman | in which case we need to bend Nokia's ear as to releasing the source | 13:48 |
| lardman | johnx: ok | 13:48 |
| johnx | I mean, we finally *just* got hildon-desktop launching again yesterday after way too much time spent running down dead-ends | 13:48 |
| johnx | but maemo-launcher is happy, which is important for any real progress to be made | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: on the other hand status bar applets are slowly getting there, such as battery (pybattery), backlight/volume (advanced backlight) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | and people are getting a good feel of how to develop desktop applets | 13:49 |
| lardman | replacements you mean? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:51 |
| lardman | cool | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: btw seems we can also push to ~mer-committers/m-r/ | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | and work together on branches | 13:51 |
| johnx | be very afraid :) | 13:52 |
| RST38h | lardmann | 13:53 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 13:53 |
| RST38h | how are things? | 13:53 |
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| lardman | RST38h: not bad, lots of stuff to catch up on (hacking-wise) as I have a free weekend :) | 13:54 |
| dneary | 'eyup | 13:56 |
| lardman | hi Dave | 13:57 |
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| lardman | andre__: what does "internal copy "INVALID"" mean from #305? | 13:58 |
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| dneary | So - can someone reassure me | 14:05 |
| dneary | Am I the only one who doesn't "get" the boundaries between "Maemo X", "Y for Maemo" and "maemo.org Z"N | 14:05 |
| dneary | That N was a ? | 14:05 |
| andre__ | lardman, it means that some Nokians don't get it :-P | 14:06 |
| andre__ | lardman, "If the user sets the proxy field to contain something, then the value is used as is and we will not try to guess what the user really wanted." | 14:06 |
| johnx | Nokia likes 3rd party apps called Y for Maemo, doesn't like 3rd party apps called Maemo X and maemo.org Z is related to the website | 14:07 |
| siewert | hi, is anyone familiar with updating libglade2-0 to 1:2.6.1? i'm using an N800 with the latest OS2008. | 14:07 |
| * bergie needs to do something about MaemoPlazer then ;-) | 14:08 | |
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| johnx | bergie, as far as I know Nokia hasn't filed any lawsuits yet :) so far the "dislike" comes from some words on the talk page of a wiki | 14:09 |
| johnx | not exactly legal advice :D | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | apt really needs a 'why' command | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | "why does this not work" | 14:09 |
| bergie | dislike isn't really a trademark-protecting term :-D | 14:09 |
| lardman | andre__: hmm | 14:09 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, solves all your problems with apt-get: apt-get moo | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: why did you have haf-marketing-release in bzr btw? | 14:10 |
| johnx | I thought it provided something I needed | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | odd, cos i had it in repo already it looked like | 14:10 |
| johnx | huh | 14:10 |
| johnx | let me check what it provides | 14:10 |
| andre__ | lardman, feel free to add counter-arguments | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just wondering cos i have an odd issue atm | 14:10 |
| johnx | did you build and upload my haf-marketing-release? | 14:11 |
| johnx | what's the problem with apt? | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it refused entry cos of already existing | 14:11 |
| dneary | johnx: Plus, there's "Maemo community", don't forget | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: .. sec | 14:11 |
| dneary | There aren't just apps, there's also subdomains | 14:11 |
| dneary | Will talk.maemo.org continue to be known as ITt? | 14:12 |
| dneary | Or perhaps Maemo Talk? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nm, i'm being an idiot | 14:12 |
| dneary | Or perhaps ljust "talk.maemo.org"? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i vote for Talk Maemo | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: forgot pinnin' | 14:13 |
| johnx | I vote for tMo with some kind of weird specific capitalization to differentiate from T-Mobile (T-Mo) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | TMÆ | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | (tmæ) | 14:13 |
| lardman | andre__: will do | 14:13 |
| dneary | johnx: Yes - MoT | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | or tmæo (t-mae-ohh) | 14:14 |
| dneary | but then it's *never* Maemo.org | 14:14 |
| dneary | it's maemo.org | 14:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, now, you're getting somewhere:　tも | 14:14 |
| dneary | and it's no æ, it's ae | 14:14 |
| dneary | Nokia's always been clear on that | 14:14 |
| lardman | andre__: though it looks like timeless has a better idea of the innards than I | 14:14 |
| gomiam | callit Taelkmo :-P | 14:14 |
| gomiam | s/callit/call it/ | 14:14 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: call it Taelkmo :-P | 14:14 |
| andre__ | lardman, same here :-D | 14:14 |
| dneary | or just Talk mo'? | 14:15 |
| lardman | :) | 14:15 |
| dneary | (as in, talk more) | 14:15 |
| andre__ | Moema. | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | moema sounds like some kind of skin disease | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | god, apt-proxy is a lifesaver | 14:18 |
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| RST38h | Maemo then | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | rehi RST38h | 14:47 |
| RST38h | heya pupnik! how is your maemo hacking? =) | 14:49 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: need to do some housekeeping, then i'll try to pick something easy to start up on again RST38h | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | ehehe | 14:55 |
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| siewert | how do i update libglade2-0 to 1:2.6.1 ? | 15:08 |
| woglinde | why you need this? | 15:08 |
| siewert | this application apparently needs it: http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:09 |
| woglinde | hm then mmpc should write were you find it | 15:09 |
| siewert | that would have been nice indeed... | 15:09 |
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| siewert | actually the problem is that there is already a llibglade2-0 installed but their are a lot of dependencies | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, is there a good mail notifier for diablo that isn't modest? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want a full client, just one that pops up and highlights screen | 15:22 |
| johnx | there's a gmail notifier I think | 15:23 |
| woglinde | extent tinymail? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | tinymail is half of the problems in modest | 15:23 |
| RST38h | lemme check though | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ | 15:25 |
| johnx | ooooh...that looks great | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: works on maemo? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | After porting, it should =) | 15:27 |
| johnx | it's a systray app | 15:27 |
| johnx | will probably work straight away, but might need some cleanup | 15:27 |
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| johnx | I wonder if it will keep the CPU running though... | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | Depends on what you replace sleep() with :) | 15:34 |
| lcuk | sleep is for wusses | 15:35 |
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| RST38h | real motherfuckers do gettimeofday(&TOD) while (TOD.seconds<maxseconds) ? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | (like Flash plugin for MicroB does, evidently) | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00488.JPG <- office after cleanup :> | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | (ignore the mess on the other table..) | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | Sts: So, all the rest got moved to the other table? =) | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, that part isn't mine :P | 15:39 |
| johnx | my usable desk space at home is from the left side of your coffee mug to the right of your mouse pad :P | 15:40 |
| johnx | and imagine the left n800 replaced with a zaurus :) | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | Enjoy: http://photo505.com/ | 15:41 |
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| johnx | that's a somewhat neat trick | 15:42 |
| RST38h | More themes at photofunia.com | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh?revision=16812&root=maemo&sortby=date&view=markup | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | 768mb swap partition sounds a bit extreme | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, with the 32GB disk space we will have, it is ok ;) | 15:45 |
| johnx | I guess they need it for native compilation of qt4 | 15:45 |
| johnx | is it ok to let that slip? :P | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i'm actually not entirely uncertain that is so | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | this file shows atleast 3gb internal mmc | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | with a 2gb linux partition, rest being mkdosfs | 15:46 |
| johnx | and running the system off of the internal MMC card...kind of odd | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Suspend-to-disk? | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really curious about n900 specs now | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | That would require at least the RAM size. | 15:47 |
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| johnx | though actually, untouchable / and unionfs is an interesting idea | 15:47 |
| johnx | if they go for 512MB of RAM I'll be kind of amazed | 15:47 |
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| johnx | if they go for 768MB I'll be downright awestruck | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | Seeing the N97 with 32 gb, I guess we will see the same. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, 1/3 * ram + ram, isn't that the rule? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | so 512mb ram, 768mb swap | 15:48 |
| johnx | yeah, or RAM * 1.5 | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, I think so. You need the RAM size for the dump and some space for housekeeping. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | excuse me for drolling. | 15:49 |
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| johnx | I was really betting on 128MB until the pandora got 256MB, but 512MB wasn't even on my radar | 15:49 |
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| johnx | heh...guess I better make sure I do something to get into the dev program next time around :) | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | stirring up enough about Mer might do the trick :P | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: send_enable_pcsuite() | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, i've seen the pc suite integration | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | g_nokia | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | So more integration with Nokia's tools.. | 15:50 |
| * johnx looks at the avatars showing up on #reconstructedPOC...thinks that maybe he should actually get to work | 15:51 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm just happy qgil finally caught the bait and joined :P | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lo meiz | 15:52 |
| Meizirkki | hi | 15:52 |
| Meizirkki | I am getting a black screen of death | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 15:52 |
| Meizirkki | trying to boot android | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | mer? remembered fb_update_mode manual? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | prod solca, he seems to have more insight and a later kernel | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | (not sure if he published it) | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: slowly starting on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/imager/files | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | will make armel one tonight | 15:54 |
| johnx | ok, I think I'll make a hildon-desktop-env so we have something to start with | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's so many loose ends :P | 15:55 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders where the old mer packages went on his bootstrapper | 15:57 | |
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| johnx | I'm starting to think hildon-desktop-env should have the startup script given that hildon-desktop doesn't actually depend on all the things mentioned in start-hildon... | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | you pulling changes from ~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | fixed some build problems last night | 16:11 |
| johnx | ok, I'm mainly just putting together the meta package for it right now | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | new name for deblet-boot-basics, nit-bootmenu-compat | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | building in a sec or two | 16:13 |
| johnx | woo! | 16:13 |
| johnx | getting close to an installable system again | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:13 |
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| johnx | gets faster doing this every time, huh? | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, cos you know the pitfalls | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | having deblet-boot-basics was excellent for booting other OS'es | 16:14 |
| johnx | I think I'll avoid Recommends: and make a separate hildon-desktop-env-extras or something | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | we should seperate the confs from hildon-desktop at some point too | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | they don't really belong in there. they're "hildon themes" | 16:16 |
| johnx | ah, into a hildon-desktop-common or similar? | 16:16 |
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| johnx | does hildon-desktop have any hope of running without them? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | well it obviously needs one of them, but it's similar to themes | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's the configuration with what goes where and such, like, status bar applets enabled | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | which may be good to seperate from hildon-desktop | 16:17 |
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| johnx | yes, very likely | 16:17 |
| johnx | hildon-desktop-layout? | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, guess so | 16:18 |
| johnx | hildon-desktop-layout-800x480 :) | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-desktop-layout-diablo,mer,um, etc | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 16:18 |
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| johnx | so, ie, hildon-desktop-layout-800x480 Provides: hildon-desktop-layout | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:19 |
| johnx | very doable | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if u-m would fit better on smaller resolution | 16:20 |
| johnx | I was thinking that too, but just pulling the left navigator bar would really be fine | 16:20 |
| johnx | though that might be what they did... | 16:21 |
| johnx | it would still need some minor tweaking | 16:21 |
| johnx | and a button to switch apps | 16:21 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how to deal with the kernel modules | 16:33 | |
| johnx | proprietary or otherwise? | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | well kernel-source-diablo i guess | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | last time i had to compile it in sb | 16:35 |
| johnx | well, you can always hope we won't launch mer with diablo's kernel :) | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | true, true | 16:36 |
| johnx | what was the problem that required sb? packaging? compiler dependency? | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | odd compiler error really | 16:36 |
| * johnx needs to find a package that provides one simple script and steal it's packaging... | 16:37 | |
| Stskeeps | i use a simple Makefile :P | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | look at the old deblet packages? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | you use dh_make? | 16:37 |
| johnx | yeah | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i think with regards to kernel modules and everything i'm going behind the builder's back and upload straight to repo. | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | we're going to be stuck forever in "doing it the right way" else | 16:38 |
| johnx | I 2nd the motion. anyone object? no. good. | 16:39 |
| johnx | motion passed | 16:39 |
| johnx | see, bureaucracy isn't hard :) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:39 |
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| johnx | so, let's see, I should do a bzr merge lp:~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop or something else? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that sounds like a way | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | and then you can push back changes after committing | 16:46 |
| johnx | finished my meta package, so I'll pull out start-hildon from hildon-desktop | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:47 |
| * Stskeeps waits on reprepro | 16:48 | |
| RST38h | moo, zap | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl taking bus home | 16:56 |
| lopz | hola | 16:57 |
| zap | RST38h: hya | 16:59 |
| johnx | hi lopz | 17:00 |
| lopz | heya johnx ! | 17:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, the problem is is that Nokia picked up Maemo as a Nokia trademark. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Previously, "maemo" was the development platform, and Nokia didn't really have a strong attachment to the trademark | 17:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then they nixed OSSO and picked up Maemo | 17:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So we have Maemo (the platform, developed by Nokia, Nokia contractors, and the community), Maemo Software, and maemo.org | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The community essentially owns the maemo.org trademark | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia owns Maemo | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't get to use Maemo for community things | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | As "Maemo x" implies that it's a Nokia product. | 17:10 |
| * lardman wonders why Mer doesn't use bitbake | 17:12 | |
| johnx | lardman, the main purpose of Mer is to bring the world of ubuntu software to the tablet | 17:14 |
| johnx | lardman, btw, how are your bitbake packaging skills? | 17:14 |
| lardman | oh, you want desktop software on the device...? | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, better today? :) | 17:15 |
| lardman | johnx: packaging is done for you ;) | 17:15 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, working hard on some issues again ;) | 17:15 |
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| johnx | lardman, that's not the whole truth and you know it :P | 17:15 |
| lardman | johnx: yeah, depends how much new stuff would need to be added really | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you see if integration@maemo.org points somewhere when you get a chance? | 17:15 |
| johnx | lardman, mostly interested in making it easy for people to hildonize and go instead of fighting with library builds | 17:15 |
| lardman | johnx: what build system are you using atm? | 17:16 |
| johnx | debian's | 17:16 |
| johnx | well, debuntu's :) | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Probably to Misha's team. But I'll check. | 17:16 |
| * lardman will have to read up how to use that | 17:16 | |
| lardman | it does automated builds and produces a rootfs? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, wanna tell him about the PC suite plugin? :P http://omag.es/blog/2008/12/04/nokia-world-event-is-over-what-about-maemo/ | 17:16 |
| johnx | it's just a standard builder. you make a dpkg and throw it at the builder, similar to extras | 17:17 |
| johnx | lardman, Stskeeps has a tool for making a rootfs from debootstrap | 17:17 |
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| woglinde | stskeep haha yes | 17:19 |
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| Meizirkki | itT down? | 17:25 |
| johnx | been up and down for a bit here | 17:25 |
| Meizirkki | k | 17:25 |
| StsN800 | lo qwerty12 | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/internettablettalk.com | 17:25 |
| qwerty12 | 'ello StsN800 | 17:26 |
| Meizirkki | i have tried 15 times and i am still getting bsod with android :( | 17:27 |
| johnx | looks like qwerty12 finally has competition for most re-flashes in a day :) | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe | 17:27 |
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| Meizirkki | GeneralAntilles: your link did not work :) | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | it's back | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | (slowly?) | 17:32 |
| Meizirkki | very slowly | 17:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody got maemo.org cooties on itT. :P | 17:47 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Link? | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, to which thing? | 17:51 |
| dneary | The cooties | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, ha. | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just the server being slow like maemo.org. ;) | 17:51 |
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| johnx | anyways, night guys. Might be AFK for a couple days. Don't have too much fun without me. :P | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Don't worry johnx, we'll send you something :P | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | bzr branches by pigeon | 18:00 |
| johnx | heh, if fremantle is released, print it out and snail-mail it to me, ok :) | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 18:00 |
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| herwood | hi | 18:04 |
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| herwood | anyone know how I can override the default handler for tablet's fullscreen-button in Qt? | 18:05 |
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| Meizirkki | it was all about one - in the tar command | 18:20 |
| Meizirkki | android boots now :) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:20 |
| woglinde | wow | 18:20 |
| Meizirkki | WTF? | 18:20 |
| Meizirkki | it does not boot :( | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 18:21 |
| woglinde | oh | 18:21 |
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| woglinde | whats going wrong? | 18:21 |
| Meizirkki | now it shows me the android logo with blinking robot | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 18:21 |
| Meizirkki | then goes blakc and shows the android logo again... | 18:21 |
| Meizirkki | i have no idea | 18:21 |
| woglinde | serial console then | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, are you untarring as root? | 18:22 |
| Meizirkki | no | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Try that then. Permissions may be getting effed up. | 18:22 |
| Meizirkki | i have tried tarring as a root | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | I'll be trying it on a n800 in half an hour, I've been itching for an excuse to try out the oss wifi driver | 18:23 |
| Meizirkki | at the and, i will still need root privs to move these files | 18:23 |
| Meizirkki | now i am running in the robot-loop :P | 18:23 |
| Meizirkki | :( | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | But I'm glad that the NthCode guys used the nokia 2.6.21 patch rather than the linux-omap patches | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:24 |
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| woglinde | qwerty you have it running? | 18:24 |
| Meizirkki | *flashing back to diablo kernel* | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, "I'll be trying it on a n800 in half an hour" :) | 18:24 |
| woglinde | compiling kernel? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: "robot loop"? hah | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| woglinde | stskeep splashscreen | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, they've provided a image but I'll will be compiling me own kernel after trying out their image | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: solca seems to have a later version kernelwith working wifi | 18:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, I managed to stay awake to see that bit, I'll read the logs to see what version he used and apply the nthcode patch against that and compile stlc45xx | 18:26 |
| Meizirkki | with working wifi??? | 18:27 |
| Meizirkki | i will try it | 18:27 |
| Meizirkki | :P | 18:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I have a feeling that the NthCode guys are booting from sd directly instead of using initfs which makes this harder :/ | 18:27 |
| woglinde | qwerty any url at hand? | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | for what? | 18:27 |
| woglinde | for the image | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=246840 | 18:28 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: when i flash nthkernel and then fanoushes bootmenu, the bootmenu will never come up | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, yep, thanks for that. confirms what I said then :/ | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | ~burn slow, shitty sd card | 18:29 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over slow, shitty sd card, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 18:29 | |
| Meizirkki | But would it still be possible to boot nth-android using initfs | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | it could be done via chroot :) | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | so a pivot_root may work | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | If not, well, then it's time to rip out the linuxrc script :) | 18:31 |
| towo | Uhhh. | 18:31 |
| towo | Is the SD card slot on the N810 a MiniSD slot or a Full SD slot? | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | MiniSD | 18:32 |
| towo | Okay, thanks. | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | N800 has SD | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | i think | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 18:33 |
| ccooke | two of them, even | 18:33 |
| * Stskeeps really wonders how big internal memory rx-51 will have since it seemingily has a 768mb swap parititon, 2gb linux partion, and rest fatfs | 18:34 | |
| Stskeeps | on the internal mmc | 18:34 |
| woglinde | hm | 18:34 |
| woglinde | http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/android-n810/android-n810-userspace-changes.txt | 18:34 |
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| ccooke | Stskeeps: where are those specs from? | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ccooke: ke-recv svn | 18:35 |
| ccooke | Interesting. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | (format internal mmc command) | 18:35 |
| ccooke | 768mb swap? | 18:35 |
| ccooke | that's a really odd thing to see | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | 1.5*512? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| ccooke | unless they're thinking of a serious memory upgrade | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | talk about a pocket computer then. | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, it's the cheaper way to get 1gb of ram :P | 18:36 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: heh | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: RX-51 seems to be another n810? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: At least it is mentioned here: http://www.mobifrance.com/pdaforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1284088 | 18:36 |
| ccooke | I'm fairly sure serious swap usage on my n810 is unpleasantly slow | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And that doens't look like something a typo can create? | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, but the RX-51 stuff got introduced here in dec | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | in ke-recv | 18:37 |
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| ccooke | on the other hand, the n810 is a borderline device - it's just fast enough that I only get irritated with slowness on very rare occasions | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: in any case, the partition stuff is marked "fremantle" | 18:37 |
| ccooke | the RX-51 will be quite a bit faster, so may be able to make up the difference a bit... | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: also the existence of a hidden nokia tree with board-rx51-usb etc in it | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a closer shot than "N900" :P | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, well it can be anything ;) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | also, N97, .. N100? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:39 |
| RST38h | N99 first | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | 512MB RAM would be ridiculous | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | Ridiculously cool ;) | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yet i'd droll over it. | 18:40 |
| Meizirkki | ridiculous? | 18:40 |
| * qwerty12 wouldn't complain | 18:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Either that, or it's 256MB and they've just got much faster NAND than the current tablets. | 18:40 |
| * Meizirkki would't too | 18:40 | |
| X-Fade | Writing to flash now seems to use a lot of cpu too. So that adds to the perceived slowness. | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, is ubifs better in this area? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | No idea. | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 512MB . . . | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be, like, :drool: | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | ridiculous, you say? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:43 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: hey, a NAND that's fast enough to actually make the swapping not horrible would be pretty droolworthy, too | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | are we speaking NAND or wired in mmc? :P | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Eww, that's a good point. I hope they don't pull an N810 and "retardize" the sd slots | 18:45 |
| Meizirkki | does someone know why nths android README tells me to NOT plug my n810 to power supply | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://markmail.org/message/zt2epehzqppioet3 That rx51 patch is from March ;) | 18:45 |
| woglinde | it tells | 18:45 |
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| woglinde | ups sorry | 18:45 |
| woglinde | hm | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm, true | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | well then it's a RX model of n810 noone has seen before on iTT :P | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | RX-?? then | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It is a patch for omap3 ;) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | hm :P | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | Ehm no, omap2. | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | alright then | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | back to n900 | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | mach-omap2/board-3430 - confused? | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | drivers/usb/musb/omap2430.c | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | yeah, so maybe it _is_ an omap3 prototype board. | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd make sense. | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, what are we gonna do about the wiki when Nokia stops using "internet tablet"? <_< | 18:51 |
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| qwerty12 | hack into the server and sed s/internet tablet/whatever comes next/g | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently I've been using "tablet" | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | "device", "thing" ? :) | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thing works. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | General: What if Nokia renames it to magic mushroom? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | How are we gonna handle THAT? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | badger badger | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Clearly the world will end. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | the advertisement campaign would be epic. | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | So _I'm_ gonna handle it by holing up somewhere with lots of ammo. :P | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Seriously, I think we should just ocntinue using the word "tablet" | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i like "tablet" too | 18:55 |
| RST38h | It is short and descriebes the device well enough | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's it's touch screen and not a phone, it's a tablet | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | er, not a keypad with numbers, i mean | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I guess it depends on how radical they go with the change. | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | In fact N97 is also a tablet, but it is outside of the maemo scope | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, "tablet" isn't "internet tablet" | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it works | 18:56 |
| RST38h | General: We do not really know what they are gonna position it as | 18:56 |
| ccooke | the N98 looks rather more maemo-like | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | what n98? :P | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N98 isn't a thing. :P | 18:56 |
| RST38h | May well end up with a "netbook" | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not getting that big. | 18:57 |
| lardman | I think they'll get rid of internet | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Doesnt mean they can't call it that way | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, internet is so nineties | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:57 |
| ccooke | bah, sorry. N97, yes. | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: N95 was called multimedia computer | 18:57 |
| RST38h | And "multimedia" is what? 1991? | 18:57 |
| Meizirkki | w00t! | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | My guess is that it will be about the same size as the N97. Maybe a bit bigger screen. | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "netbook" is pretty well defined | 18:57 |
| lardman | also they originally launched it as an "internet" tablet, to do nothing other than surf the web, I think we;re moving away from that to a device which can do PIM, entertainment, etc. | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki | android is cool | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki | bit laggy | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, "pocket computer" | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Pocket computers have been known since Casio FX-720 times | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | Personal Multimedia and connectivity device? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | PMCD? =) | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that's what they're calling the N97 anyway. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, yeah, booted here on first try :) | 18:59 |
| mavhc | it's a smartphone without the phone, it's a smart | 18:59 |
| * RST38h is going to call his "my precioussss". Dunno about the rest of you guys | 18:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "Magic Slab" | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | Interestng how few people recognized that N97 is the magical Sony Xperia without the damn WinMobile ;) | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: same | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | i call it "my device" when speaking to my gf though | 19:00 |
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| lardman | I call it a "Nokia Nokia" | 19:01 |
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| RST38h | Sts: How do you call your other device then? | 19:02 |
| wiza | only thing that sucks with n97 is the keyboard | 19:02 |
| RST38h | Coincidentally, it also sucks with n810 | 19:02 |
| wiza | I like my e90 keyb way more than I like n810 | 19:02 |
| * RST38h lokes his e70 keyboard more than wiza likes his e90 keyboard | 19:03 | |
| RST38h | s/lokes/likes | 19:03 |
| towo | Soonish, I'll be toting a Bluetooth keyboard.. | 19:03 |
| wiza | e90 has little bigger keyboard but it has numbers and it's lot more quicker to type with | 19:03 |
| towo | At which point serious usage of the N810 can commence. | 19:03 |
| RST38h | towo: Hehe, you do not know yet? | 19:03 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: android have now crashed 2 times with very weird way... after several minutes of playing with it the screen slowly fades away... | 19:03 |
| towo | RST38h: Know what? | 19:03 |
| wiza | I use n810 only in my car, gps+canola | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, hehe, I can't even get the touchscreen to work. I'll have to port the N810 touchscreen fix to N800 *again* >.< :/ | 19:04 |
| RST38h | towo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 | 19:04 |
| RST38h | towo: enjoy :) | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | isnt n810 keyboard good enough? | 19:04 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: k, now my tablet stays on, even if i take battery off | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | With the charger in? | 19:05 |
| Meizirkki | the charger plugged in | 19:05 |
| Meizirkki | yes | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | I've had that happen on Maemo when its crashed | 19:05 |
| disco_stu | thats dangerous | 19:05 |
| towo | RST38h: IT'll be the SU-8W for me, just btw. | 19:05 |
| Meizirkki | disco_stu: what can happen? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | (what are the consequences of bme not running?) | 19:06 |
| disco_stu | dont know.. but sounds bad.. | 19:06 |
| Meizirkki | i would like to use my n810 without bateery sometimes... | 19:07 |
| RST38h | towo: I do not think it matters. People report lag even with wired USB keyboards (see comments on that bug) | 19:07 |
| disco_stu | i would like to charge my batts without the tablet | 19:07 |
| towo | RST38h: Yeah. but at least no loss of chars. | 19:08 |
| RST38h | towo: there is repetition of chars though | 19:08 |
| disco_stu | i've no lag with my usb keyboard | 19:08 |
| RST38h | I think it has been filed as a separate bug | 19:08 |
| towo | RST38h: Ah. | 19:08 |
| RST38h | disco: What make/model? And what application? | 19:08 |
| disco_stu | genius luxemate wireless keyboard && pidgin | 19:09 |
| RST38h | could you try gnumeric? | 19:09 |
| RST38h | and probably modest? | 19:09 |
| disco_stu | give me a few minutes | 19:10 |
| eichi | hello | 19:11 |
| eichi | where can i get nice maemo wallpapers..? or can i use every 600x800 one? | 19:12 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, well here with xchat no lag | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Shit, what is it with academic degree spam nowadays? No more penis extensions, no viagra, no "legal" weed replacements, no hot russian girls, just fake academic degrees and carders looking for US residents | 19:12 |
| disco_stu | gonna try gnumeric | 19:12 |
| RST38h | disco: incredible | 19:13 |
| disco_stu | the wireless dongle combines keyboard and mouse, but the mouse doesnt work | 19:13 |
| disco_stu | maybe there's no module | 19:14 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, with gnumeric goes flawless | 19:15 |
| disco_stu | no lag, but you have to hit F2 to input data to cells | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | F2 is ok. No lag is highly unusual though | 19:15 |
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| disco_stu | RST38h, with modest i have lag | 19:16 |
| RST38h | Ahaaa! | 19:16 |
| disco_stu | not with gnumeric :) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | disco: File a bug or comment on the one given above | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, small lag | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | ok | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | now i dont have lag in modest, but i closed some apps | 19:18 |
| disco_stu | maybe it is a processing power issue | 19:18 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, also disabling word completion improves speed a lot | 19:18 |
| RST38h | yea, I know | 19:18 |
| RST38h | so it depends on the number of apps... | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki | I lost all my stuff from flash, becuase i reflashed diablo. :( | 19:19 |
| RST38h | gtk message processing problems? | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki | luckily i now know how to flash only the kernel :) | 19:19 |
| disco_stu | maybe if the app is kindy busy | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | s/kindy/kind of/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: maybe if the app is kind of busy | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | xchat is flawless | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | also pidgin | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | :) | 19:20 |
| RST38h | weird | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | and i have a complete wireless keyboard :P | 19:20 |
| RST38h | pidgin was ok for me too though | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | numpad wont work, so it is unused | 19:21 |
| disco_stu | what keyboard are you using? | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | Apple BT keyboard | 19:23 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, im considering buying a rubber keyboard that i can roll into my bag | 19:24 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, thats cool | 19:24 |
| RST38h | it sucks, don't | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | The Nokia keyboard towo has is pretty good but expensive | 19:26 |
| towo | will have. | 19:26 |
| towo | just to correct thate. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:26 |
| disco_stu | yeah.. the thing is here in my country i cant afford none of the bt keyboards | 19:26 |
| disco_stu | they are so expensive | 19:26 |
| * RST38h bought Apple in in the US | 19:27 | |
| RST38h | s/in/one | 19:27 |
| * disco_stu is stick in argentina | 19:27 | |
| RST38h | Absolutely no desire to pay local VAR even if the keyboard will have cyrillics | 19:28 |
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| disco_stu | mine has Ă‘ | 19:29 |
| disco_stu | lol | 19:29 |
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| disco_stu | RST38h, maemo desktop lacks functionallity to open app menus with keyboard | 19:30 |
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| disco_stu | so you have to grab the stylus and thats odd | 19:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There should be a shortcut. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the F keys. . . . | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | Let me check which one | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | F4 | 19:32 |
| RST38h | More info here: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html (and I sincerely hope they will finally move these keys to their own keycodes) | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | yeah thats app menu | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | i mean, when in the desktop | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Oh, the desktop does not get the keyboard focus | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | i mean opening panels | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | thats odd | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | RST38h, n810 hw keyboard gets the same lag ? | 19:37 |
| disco_stu | or you cant see it because of typing speed | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | no, hw keyboard seems to be ok | 19:38 |
| RST38h | but yes, it is difficult to figure out because it slows down the typing | 19:39 |
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| disco_stu | Nm } | 19:39 |
| disco_stu | Sorry, that was me cleaning the kb | 19:40 |
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| * disco_stu is heading towards his books again | 19:41 | |
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| RST38h | btw https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3913\ | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you be bribed to porting bzr? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | (it's python) | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, for Maemo or mer? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | maemo | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | for mer it's already there :P | 19:50 |
| Proteous | lkjwa;oijasdfhgj | 19:50 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what Proteous is on | 19:50 | |
| X-Fade | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/12/sany0032.jpg "The web now made by hand" ? | 19:50 |
| Proteous | sorry that was me pressing random buttons for no reason | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, soon. I need to figure out why this kernel isn't booting | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright | 19:51 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: android related? | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: that's curious | 19:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, good lord that looks fragile. | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, yeah, I just fixed the touchscreen so it works for N800 but not so it boots evidently | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | part of this galery: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n97-hands-on/1196849/ | 19:52 |
| Proteous | It looks pretty sturdy to me | 19:52 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: ok | 19:52 |
| Proteous | I wouldn't advise sitting on it whne the screen is open | 19:52 |
| Proteous | but that goes for most things | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | There seem to be 2 stands holding the screen up. | 19:52 |
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| Proteous | if there was just one it would flop around | 19:53 |
| Proteous | sorta like a table with only 2 legs | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i'm still unsure if i like the design or not.. the hinge is cute though | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: At least you don't need the kickstand anymore. And can type on it while standing and open. | 19:54 |
| Proteous | I"m always suprised at how much abuse my n810 screen/keyboard hinge takes with no ill effects | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, true | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | Finger typing instead of thumb typing ;) | 19:54 |
| ccooke | Proteous: I've dropped mine a couple of times | 19:54 |
| ccooke | it's a pretty sturdy device | 19:55 |
| ccooke | Not as unkillable as a Zaurus, though :-) | 19:55 |
| Proteous | I woke up this morning with it open and under my side.. | 19:55 |
| ccooke | ah. Yes. That's mildly scary when you realise. | 19:55 |
| Proteous | yeah | 19:55 |
| ccooke | mine has a tiny blemish on the screen from where I slept on it. | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | nokia n8x0 - baby practice | 19:56 |
| Proteous | probably my subconscience mind trying to get me a new n97 | 19:56 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: stepping back to deblet, did you guys flash a new kernel to use it? | 19:57 |
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| AngieQ | i wake up on mine all the time, off the side of my bed, jammed between the headboard/matress | 19:58 |
| Proteous | heh | 19:58 |
| AngieQ | mmmm, sturdy, even dropped it twick | 19:58 |
| AngieQ | twice | 19:58 |
| * lardman looking at this post http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204730&postcount=44 | 19:59 | |
| X-Fade | We really need to do more advertising like this: http://www.trigem.co.kr/tgshop/specialshop/eventshop/081203/images/mobbit_in_01.jpg | 20:00 |
| X-Fade | :D | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, no new kernel is neede | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | +d | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, lol | 20:00 |
| lardman | qwerty12: interesting that the AEM-side can see the mixer then, thanks | 20:00 |
| lardman | s/AEM/ARM | 20:00 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, the blonde guy looks like konttori :D | 20:01 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, I've seen a picture of the same sliders shown in a chroot | 20:01 |
| lcuk | why is itt down? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | are we on talk. yet? | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no. | 20:01 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: could this help you with the kernel? http://guug.org/nit/nitboot/nitboot.sh | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | When I fall asleep using my tablet it usually ends up somewhere on the other side of the room when I wake up. :\ | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, I gave up and reformatted my memory card, I don't have the energy to be arsed even slightly about it | 20:02 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:02 |
| * qwerty12 woke up to find my entire shoulder weight resting on my N800 once :/ | 20:02 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: is good, am wondering if we can unroute the audio and use the dsp for other things | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | heh, I don't even like the dsp being used to just play mp3's :) | 20:04 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well it does a job | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, sure, no denying its usefulness but for me, with regards to just playing music, it just doesn't do much for me | 20:05 |
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| bergie | lardmail: looking at that picture... it is comforting that "mobile" in Korean is "mo-ba-il" :-) | 20:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yes, I wonder if it's more efficient to just decode on the arm and shut the dsp down in that case, assuming the dsp can be bypassed and the hw audio codec accessed directly from the kernel | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: nop, diablo kernel | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ubuntu bzr packages i assume? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm? | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not from debian | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | i guess bzr would be most updated | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | er | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu one | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | since they use it actively | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | General: Your preciousss wants to leave you. It is probably not happy about your BeagleBoard addiction. | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, my missus rested her elbow on the 810 once | 20:12 |
| lcuk | i think my heart actually stopped | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 20:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Is the screen concave now? | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, piece of shit uses cdbs, give me some time while I make it normal | 20:13 |
| lcuk | no, but there appears to be a crack in right place, and its lost sensitivity to touch (think thats more through me - its lost sensitivity only in place where i use it most) | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah :P | 20:14 |
| lcuk | lardman, did i hear you right, you are wanting to stop using dsp for all the things its been doing all year | 20:14 |
| lcuk | and retarget it at other things? | 20:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: sad =( | 20:14 |
| lardman | lcuk: we know Fremantle doesn't use the DSP for audio, so I'm getting ready ;) | 20:14 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :) i have a standin now so thats ok | 20:15 |
| lcuk | immaculate conception and all that | 20:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: What will be the new audio architecture then? | 20:15 |
| lardman | Pulseaudio | 20:15 |
| lcuk | and then for some bizarre reason the 2 n810s were alone for the night and an n800 appeared not long after | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Normal DMAble audio stream to a PCM circuit? | 20:15 |
| lardman | I don't know all that much about the innards of Pulseaudio, except that it's ARM-side; the DSP is to be used for video decoding once again | 20:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: biologically, an n900 should have appeared but only if one of those n810s is female | 20:16 |
| lcuk | lardman, excellent - its great doing a little bit of lateral thinking | 20:16 |
| lcuk | no RST38h that only happens if they mate in an environment with plenty of raw materials around, in this instance there was no omap3s for the droids to utilize | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, some weird errors, sorry but I don't have the time to rip it apart | 20:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, unless a source package matters, I could hack up a package? | 20:18 |
| * lardman begins to think that comparing the entire kernel trees (Bora vs Diablo) was a bad idea... | 20:18 | |
| lcuk | heh simon, yeah a bit of a mammoth | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, hah! 2.6.18 v 2.6.21 :P | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | a lot more than just nokia changes :) | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, trying to get rndis working? | 20:18 |
| lardman | yeah I know, I want to see if some change was made to reduce the DSP->framebuffer speed | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | (hopeful) | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | ah, skeen | 20:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12: nah, not bothered about that, I have wifi, I just saw the thread and thought I'd stick my oar in :) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, what do you mean reduce the speed? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | the framebuffer is normal memory isnt it | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, hehe, I used to want rndis but now since I have a router that doesn't manage to eff up ssh connections... | 20:20 |
| lardman | well in my testing last year the update rate was shocking on the n800, but the 770 used the dsp to decode video! | 20:20 |
| lcuk | so you should be looking specifically at memory bandwidth diffs | 20:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: that may well be part of it | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I wish I had that addiction. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | the 770 had higher bandwidth epson chip though | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's STILL a brick. :\ | 20:20 |
| lcuk | or it was used properly or something | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, the 770 didn't have a DSP. . . . | 20:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, that would limit total screen update speed, not what I'm thinking | 20:21 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes it did :) | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, yes, it did. | 20:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles was off in another dimension. | 20:21 | |
| lardman | that's why I bought one in the first place | 20:21 |
| lardman | :) | 20:21 |
| lcuk | ok, so from DSP you generate a whole frame test pattern and send it to normal memory. are you saying that operation was faster on 770 | 20:21 |
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| lardman | I don't know, not tested the same thing yet | 20:22 |
| lardman | but on n800 was very slow <10fps iirc | 20:22 |
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| lardman | and using yuv420 too, don't worry :) | 20:23 |
| lcuk | you saw the post the other day from serge about none tearing rgb | 20:23 |
| lardman | yes | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | i did some hunting and it was still tearing using default sdl - now it mightv been my test but i think we need to find out specifically how to make use of it | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i know he mentioned something about allowing setting resolutions from sdl - but was testing full 800*480 updating | 20:24 |
| lcuk | we shall have to collar him and get a test case to build from# | 20:24 |
| lcuk | is there a way to send a dsp binary thats been hand built at normal cpu binary runtime to the dsp and have it executed | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats with itt - are we getting a self propergating DOS or was there a reason | 20:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles is not Reggie. :P | 20:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | but you normally have oyur ear to the ground | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | sidetalkin using the earth as your taco :D | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I never hear anything about itT infrastructure stuff. | 20:28 |
| lcuk | you will soon | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to just do the Talk stuff right now. :P | 20:29 |
| lcuk | i agree, it brings it to the right place | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hacking up is fine. don't need extras :P | 20:39 |
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| qwerty12 | k, I have to go now but I can try in the morning (hopefully, you can do it before then) | 20:40 |
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| qwerty12 | bye | 20:40 |
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| lardman | is that rgb? | 20:41 |
| lardman | where was that post of Serge? | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | lardman, ill find out | 20:56 |
| lcuk | itt was down so i went firefox bug hunting instead | 20:57 |
| lcuk | but yes he said rgb | 20:57 |
| lcuk | so i tried simply using a basic sdl window | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | and scrolling something on it (was sideways text book page picture moving like a reader..) and it still tore | 20:57 |
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| lardman | lcuk: we'll have to ask Serge | 21:01 |
| lardman | supper's on the table, bbiab | 21:01 |
| lcuk | alright, catch you later | 21:01 |
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| zach-n800 | hmph this xchat app is quite nice | 21:43 |
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| disco_stu | zach-n800, xchat rulz | 21:45 |
| zach-n800 | i would like to make a dark theme though, kin | 21:46 |
| zach-n800 | kind of like dust on gnome* | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Sounds like your services are being requested: | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=246889&postcount=18 | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | Darn, you're too fast! | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, he wants to ask me to get wifi working in android. 1) I don't need him for that, 2) that kernel version doesn't support the oss wifi driver, 3) I'm bored of android after having one kernel fail on me :) | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | I'm sure you had more than one kernel fail on you the first time you did the port | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true, but I'm extremely tired today :) | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | Ah, sounds like a lack of caffeine | 21:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Well, I've just had a can of pepsi :-) | 21:53 |
| fiferboy | That should get you going again. Give it ten minutes | 21:53 |
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| zakkm | Hi, i tried to install deblet bootloader and once it asked to reboot, my cloned to sd entry got removed, how would i go about and adding it? | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: make a .item file for it in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.dt | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | bootmenu.d | 22:48 |
| zakkm | any chance you dont mind guiding me/stepbystep right now? | 22:48 |
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| zakkm | or a site with a guide? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | if you tell me exactly what partition and ext/int card it's on.. | 22:48 |
| zakkm | i did clone to sd | 22:49 |
| zakkm | to the internal card | 22:49 |
| zakkm | internal card = has the ext2 cloned to SD | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what partition number? :P | 22:49 |
| zakkm | booting from clone to sd.. i installed deblet boot loader | 22:49 |
| zakkm | whatever default is | 22:49 |
| zakkm | uhh | 22:49 |
| zakkm | i dont have root from flash so i cant do fdisk can i ? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a sfdisk -l or something | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | you in deblet or internal flash? | 22:50 |
| zakkm | sfdisk not found | 22:50 |
| zakkm | im in internal flash | 22:50 |
| zakkm | which i have nothing installed | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, ping? | 22:50 |
| zakkm | i didnt install deblet yet | 22:50 |
| zakkm | just the bootloader, nad it asked for reboot | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:50 |
| zakkm | i cant install deblet cause its in the clone to sd,.. but i cant get back to that | 22:50 |
| zakkm | cause theres no boot entry anymore | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | fine, sec | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | you use diablo? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | (on the internal flash) | 22:51 |
| zakkm | yes | 22:51 |
| zakkm | internal and cloned to sd = diablo | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /dev/mmcblk1p* | 22:51 |
| zakkm | k let me type, quite slow ,,n800 | 22:52 |
| zakkm | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 254, 9 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mccblk1p1 | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | only one? k | 22:53 |
| zakkm | i dont mess with partitioning on handhelds | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | and mmcblk0*? | 22:53 |
| zakkm | my 160gb pc.. has 7 partitions ;p | 22:53 |
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| zakkm | theres 3 | 22:53 |
| zakkm | p1, p2, p3 | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | /sbin/sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't work? | 22:54 |
| zakkm | oh it will onesec | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | tell me which one is linux partition | 22:55 |
| zakkm | cannot open /dev/mmcblk0 for reading | 22:55 |
| zakkm | permission denied | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sudo gainroot :P | 22:55 |
| zakkm | ... / mccblk0p3 = linux | 22:56 |
| zakkm | waitt | 22:56 |
| zakkm | p2 *** | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:56 |
| zakkm | p1 = fat16, p2 = linux , p3 = swap , p4 = empty | 22:57 |
| lardman|afk | GeneralAntilles: pong | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: thanks, - mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | cat > /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d/cloned.item | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | insert contents of http://rafb.net/p/JZ3VOF34.html | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | and press ctrl-d | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o remount,ro /mnt/initfs | 22:58 |
| zakkm | omg wow | 22:58 |
| zakkm | ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p2" # partition the fs is on | 22:59 |
| zakkm | would i put that as ="/dev/mmcblk0p2" | 22:59 |
| zakkm | ? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | no, make it as i said | 22:59 |
| zakkm | oh its predefined? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping. | 22:59 |
| zakkm | thought it was like fill in the blanks with your configuration | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | nop, that's the contents | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:00 |
| zakkm | so slow at this | 23:00 |
| zakkm | should of ssh'd -.- | 23:01 |
| andre__ | pong | 23:01 |
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| zakkm | what the | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: you don't have to type in the stuff after # | 23:02 |
| zakkm | i know that | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:02 |
| zakkm | i did take programming in school ;p | 23:02 |
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| zakkm | though i liked /* */ .. better than # | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | matter of preference i guess :P | 23:02 |
| zakkm | is there a way to do new line in maemo keyboard | 23:03 |
| zakkm | theres "enter button" theres close keyboard, and backspace | 23:03 |
| xet7 | When installing Scratchbox on VPS, I get error "E: Host kernel module binfmt_misc is required for the CPU transparency feature." - is this really needed? | 23:03 |
| zakkm | is there new line somewhere | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | uh.. enter does new line | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | xet7: sadly.. :P | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | look into maemo sdk+ | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's less picky | 23:04 |
| zakkm | fuck cat i hate cat | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | tough love | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:05 |
| zakkm | have no nano in my internal flash :( | 23:05 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he should sleep or try to get mer going on n8x0. | 23:05 | |
| xet7 | Stskeeps: Where is that sdk+ ? | 23:06 |
| zakkm | mer? | 23:06 |
| zakkm | whats mer? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: .. successor to deblet, haven't we had this discussion? :P | 23:06 |
| zakkm | oh right | 23:06 |
| zakkm | wasnt looking it as abbreviated | 23:06 |
| zakkm | im trying to type it, real slow, frustrating lol | 23:07 |
| xet7 | Stskeeps: Thanks :) | 23:07 |
| zakkm | how is mer coming along? | 23:07 |
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| timsamoff | GeneralAntilles: I sent you an email. | 23:08 |
| timsamoff | w/ a Q. | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: slow but good | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: is install_mr similar setup ok for you? | 23:09 |
| zakkm | really? functional? | 23:09 |
| zakkm | should i install that rather than deblet, currently? | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, not functional yet | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's like having sex with a pile of splinters right now if you're not a developer | 23:10 |
| zakkm | lol | 23:10 |
| zakkm | wish i better at debian | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, uh, quite the mental picture. . . . | 23:10 |
| zakkm | always hated debian distros -.- | 23:10 |
| zakkm | well rpm more but yeah | 23:10 |
| zakkm | what the | 23:11 |
| zakkm | how would i quit vi on nokia? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | :q | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | esc, :q | 23:11 |
| zakkm | itwheres esc | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | Esc in the xterm :P | 23:12 |
| zakkm | oh | 23:12 |
| zakkm | it says esc | 23:12 |
| zakkm | lol | 23:12 |
| jrayhawk | tablet-sound: Depends: osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 but it is not installable | 23:13 |
| jrayhawk | What am I supposed to do about this? | 23:13 |
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| zakkm | find the dep :) | 23:13 |
| jrayhawk | Do I have to reverse engineer the credentials used to AUTH with the nokia repo? | 23:14 |
| zakkm | sweet it workst | 23:14 |
| zakkm | thanks Stskeeps!!! :) | 23:14 |
| zakkm | though i didnt doubt you | 23:14 |
| zakkm | whats fun to try on deblet? | 23:16 |
| jrayhawk | xpat2 | 23:16 |
| jrayhawk | x2x is also fun to abuse | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: .. what are you trying to do? deblet on 770? | 23:17 |
| zakkm | x2w? | 23:17 |
| jrayhawk | n810 | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: eh. that shouldn't happen | 23:17 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: whats good for deblet? | 23:17 |
| zakkm | or N800's for that matter | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: .. go for nit-env-lxde | 23:17 |
| zakkm | i tried the easy debian lxde | 23:18 |
| zakkm | im sure the deblet one will differ a bit but i wanna try different wm's/de's | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. for good measure, i don't intend to work much more on deblet really. mer is the way ahead atm | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, but this one 100% works initially and get you going :P | 23:18 |
| zakkm | you just said its not worth it ;p | 23:18 |
| zakkm | to try mer | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | but it will be. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | we're in the starting stage right now | 23:18 |
| zakkm | im sure | 23:18 |
| zakkm | and when it reaches that point, ill get mer | 23:18 |
| jrayhawk | What's mer's project? | 23:18 |
| zakkm | believe me | 23:18 |
| zakkm | im a nightly kind of guy | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | infobot, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 23:20 |
| infobot | ...but mer is already something else... | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 23:20 |
| infobot | mer is, like, the distribution formerly known as Maemo Reconsctructed | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | infobot, no, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 23:20 |
| infobot | Stskeeps: okay | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 23:20 |
| infobot | hmm... mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | .. there | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: read up :P | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | (apologies for spamming.) | 23:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles was readying the banhammer. <_< | 23:21 | |
| jrayhawk | Ooh. | 23:22 |
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| zakkm | wow you guys are amazing | 23:23 |
| jrayhawk | 'This proposal tries to see Maemo as a deriative of Ubuntu' gah | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: well, not as a ubuntu system. minimal base | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | maemo is based on debian.. | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:25 |
| * zakkm dislikes ubuntu for calling itself *easy to use* when clearly its one of the most problematic distros | 23:25 | |
| Stskeeps | so in that direction | 23:25 |
| * w00t hugs Stskeeps | 23:25 | |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: and so far we have good experiences with ubuntu jaunty arm port. we don't intend maemo to be "an ubuntu". we're going to wreck it to fit properly to mobile devices | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | but keep the possibility to easily port things, hildonize, run other DE's, etc | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | and for this purpose, it's showing well | 23:27 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, it's just weird that anyone would decide to use an Ubuntu base system since they seem to break stuff with experimental features and loose policy enforcement. | 23:27 |
| * zakkm thinks fluxbox with a proper full length taskbar, with desktop icons would be the best WM for the nokia | 23:27 | |
| jrayhawk | I guess Upstart is nice. | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: well, it works, and that's how it is right now :P | 23:28 |
| l7 | hmm, does free always show your available swap? | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, but I wonder how much broken policy will limit the use of Debian's gigantic package repository. | 23:29 |
| l7 | i'm wondering if my swap partition stopped functioning | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | I guess that can mostly be worked around. | 23:29 |
| zakkm | l7: swapon /dev/___ | 23:30 |
| zakkm | :) | 23:30 |
| l7 | ah | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: also ubuntu arm seems to strive actively towards hwcaps for libs and such for optimization | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | instead of staying at lowest common denominator | 23:31 |
| l7 | thanks, let me ponder that a bit | 23:31 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: that's something that will be done in Debian as well as soon we get the release done | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: alright | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: but if this in any way interests you to help out with, msg me with your e-mail, i'll get you a jaiku invite and you can participate in our microblogging and follow us :P | 23:32 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps recruiting.. :P | 23:33 |
| * zakkm wasnt accepted | 23:34 | |
| Stskeeps | meh, if you want a jaiku invite, just message me an email :P | 23:34 |
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| * Stskeeps is just really trying to gather people interested in some way | 23:35 | |
| l7 | zakkm: is swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 the right usage for using the 3rd partition on my internal card as swap? | 23:36 |
| * suihkulokki notices guadec+akademy in july in Gran Ganaria, and debconf a week later elsewhere in spain | 23:36 | |
| l7 | i wonder if applying swapon to a directory where you have some data will eras it | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hehe. wanting to go somewhere warm? | 23:37 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: I guess in july that's HOT rather than warm | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 23:38 |
| l7 | maybe i should just run swapon -a | 23:38 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind some good weather right now. | 23:38 | |
| suihkulokki | weather is just great indoors here :) | 23:38 |
| zakkm | eah sorry | 23:38 |
| zakkm | l7: it is | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i keep a good 25 C in here.. even worse in my office. | 23:38 |
| zakkm | l7: no idea, it wont work if its not a swap partition i believe | 23:38 |
| zakkm | l7: i was taught it durng my gentoo days, i dont know much about it, it was just a command i used if i wanted to use swap | 23:39 |
| zakkm | that way if i didnt do much, it wouldnt send things to swap cause it didnt exist | 23:39 |
| zakkm | made a desktop shortcut | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00488.JPG <- my mer-i386 dev spot | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | (papers behind -not mine-) :P | 23:40 |
| l7 | Hmm | 23:40 |
| l7 | swapon: can't stat '/dev/mmcblk0p3': No such file or directory | 23:40 |
| zakkm | is it not swap? | 23:40 |
| l7 | i think penguinbait's script specified the internal slot as swap | 23:40 |
| zakkm | man swapon ? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | together with two tower servers in the office, it gets warm. | 23:40 |
| l7 | but i moved the boot sd card to the external slot | 23:40 |
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| l7 | so perhaps i just need to point it to /dev/mmcblk1p3 for the external card | 23:41 |
| l7 | or just move the boot card back | 23:41 |
| jrayhawk | Sharing computer room pictures?! This is my favorite game! | 23:41 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/media/img/joe/hovel/IMG_0865.JPG | 23:41 |
| zakkm | just enter 1p3 .. and see if that works? | 23:42 |
| zakkm | jrayhawk is that really yours? | 23:42 |
| l7 | yeah, i'm just thinking outloud here :) | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: .. i just hid away my cola bottles too :P | 23:42 |
| jrayhawk | Not quite. It has two more monitors, now. | 23:42 |
| l7 | and keeping a record in case i crash i guess | 23:42 |
| zakkm | holyshit | 23:42 |
| l7 | and keeping a record in case i crash i guess | 23:42 |
| l7 | eh? | 23:42 |
| zakkm | jrayhawk: your computer room.. wow | 23:43 |
| zakkm | uh, just got called and asked if i could go into work right now and work | 23:45 |
| zakkm | Thanks again Stskeeps !! :P | 23:45 |
| zakkm | cya guys | 23:45 |
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| l7 | ah well it worked, swap is restored | 23:45 |
| l7 | anyone have an idea if you would get better IO throughput if you put your swap on the internal SD card and the system on the external card? | 23:46 |
| l7 | and if that would translate into a more responsive system | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ping | 23:47 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehë | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm having services drop left and right. <_< | 23:50 |
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| jrayhawk | A Cogent/Internap link is having problems. | 23:53 |
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| Stskeeps | i really don't blame nokia for providing firmware images once in a while.. | 23:57 |
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