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| RST38h | Mumbai Terrorists Watch World React With Horror Using BlackBerrys ! | 00:15 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, url? | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5099999/mumbai-terrorists-watch-world-react-with-horror-using-blackberrys | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | that is kinda interesting | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't india the ones who tried to get RIM to hand over encryption keys? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | Why not iPhones? =) | 00:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: Absolutely no value in that, for this particular case | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/encryption/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208401643 | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that's obviously true as it was "watching" :P | 00:22 |
| RST38h | yep | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | still interesting though | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'm waiting for the first person to suggest "terrorists were using blackberrys. obama uses blackberry. secret service wants to take away obamas blackberry. ergo, obama is a terrorist" | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: Republican nutballs are not that technologically advanced | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | The Fixed in 'Freemantle' need to just unsubscribe from bugmail. | 00:26 |
| GAN800 | s/need/people need/ | 00:27 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: The Fixed in 'Freemantle' people need to just unsubscribe from bugmail. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | errrr GAN800, it appears you made your own whoooopsie, its Fremantle not "Freemantle" | 00:31 |
| lcuk | tsk, call yourself head of community :P | 00:31 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, that's why it's in quotes. :rolleyes: | 00:31 |
| lcuk | but the thread subject is correct | 00:32 |
| * lcuk checked first | 00:32 | |
| GAN800 | lcuk, the people posting in it can't get it right. | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | But whatever | 00:32 |
| * lcuk passes gan a chillpill. have you recovered from thanksgiving yet | 00:33 | |
| GAN800 | We still have leftover turkey. | 00:33 |
| lcuk | heh, its like that at christmas round here, we have turkey butties all the way into june | 00:34 |
| lcuk | oh noes! maemo.org is down | 00:35 |
| Proteous | butties? | 00:38 |
| Proteous | what are butties precious | 00:38 |
| GAN800 | I think we're gonna have game hens for Christmas | 00:40 |
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| RST38h | bloodthirsty avian murderers (tm) | 00:41 |
| Proteous | actualy, most of the blood is drained out before we get them | 00:44 |
| RST38h | drained and drunk by bloodthirsty avian murderers (tm) | 00:45 |
| BULLE | well, ifyou need to quench your thirst, you realy need | 00:47 |
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| GAN800 | dead maemo.org | 01:47 |
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| * lcuk said that b4 | 01:49 | |
| lcuk | the wiki is still working | 01:49 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081129_234301.gary.scr.png | 01:50 |
| lcuk | crap | 01:50 |
| GAN800 | trippy | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | lol gan | 01:52 |
| lcuk | its color test and it was meant for a pm window | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | ive been upgrading fonts :) | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | losing lots of valuable time, but its a requirement | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | its hard to overstate my satisfaction | 02:20 |
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| bef0rd | ha ha. | 02:26 |
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| samr7 | lo all | 02:36 |
| samr7 | who knows anything about multimediad? | 02:36 |
| samr7 | nobody? | 02:36 |
| samr7 | aww come on, _somebody_ has to know what multimediad is | 02:37 |
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| sp3000 | ooh, the gpl on lsd | 02:39 |
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| lcuk | lol sp3000 | 02:43 |
| lcuk | samr7, i think thats the media scanner | 02:43 |
| samr7 | scanner? | 02:43 |
| samr7 | I hear tell it handles bluetooth audio devices | 02:44 |
| samr7 | I'm trying to get a hands-free application to work | 02:45 |
| samr7 | this aspect of multimediad is of interest | 02:45 |
| lcuk | dunno | 02:53 |
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| zakkm | anyone know a way to call landlines free, over nokia ? | 04:21 |
| zakkm | SIP method perhaps | 04:21 |
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| blkno1 | Is it possible to access the entire file system via file manager? | 04:52 |
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| lcuk | blkno1, not by default, but i believe you can create a symlink somewhere, but it causes havock with certain software | 04:55 |
| lcuk | i know nothing more cos i stopped trying when i heard it broke stuff | 04:56 |
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| blkno1 | I mounted some nfs shares and am trying to get to em. | 04:59 |
| zakkm | just use a different file manager ;p | 05:00 |
| zakkm | hey couldnt you tell filemanager to start at / ? .. wouldnt that then show all the filesystem? | 05:01 |
| zakkm | start at / when open? | 05:01 |
| blkno1 | whats the binary name for file manager pgm? | 05:01 |
| zakkm | osso-filemanager <-- i believe | 05:02 |
| blkno1 | hmm tons of oss-xxxxxx just no file manager | 05:04 |
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| GAN800 | emelfm2 | 05:13 |
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| blkno1 | checking it out now GAN800 thanks | 05:15 |
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| zakkm | dolphin!!! | 05:25 |
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| samr7 | who knows anything about multimediad? | 06:16 |
| samr7 | going once, going twice | 06:16 |
| samr7 | aww come on, _somebody_ has to know about multimediad | 06:21 |
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| samr7 | nobody?? | 06:34 |
| tulkastaldo | I know about cheese | 06:35 |
| samr7 | lol, what's cheese? | 06:35 |
| samr7 | at least somebody's alive! | 06:35 |
| tulkastaldo | oh, it's great. A dairy product made from the milk of cows or goats usually | 06:35 |
| tulkastaldo | I'm not so much alive as undead :P | 06:36 |
| samr7 | lol | 06:37 |
| samr7 | that's great | 06:37 |
| samr7 | just don't vant to suck anybody's blood | 06:37 |
| samr7 | and we can be friends | 06:37 |
| samr7 | but we could be better friends if you know something about multimediad | 06:38 |
| tulkastaldo | spiffy, so buddy... ya got $20 I could borrow? ;) | 06:38 |
| tulkastaldo | yeah, I know thing about that | 06:38 |
| samr7 | aw, and I just pulled out a fresh $20 | 06:39 |
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| tulkastaldo | I know about a lot of other things though | 06:40 |
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| samr7 | hey tulkastaldo tell me something interesting and cool | 06:49 |
| tulkastaldo | there are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball | 06:50 |
| tulkastaldo | in 1994 all major presidential candidates were left handed | 06:50 |
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| samr7 | damn dude! | 06:51 |
| derf | All none of them? | 06:51 |
| derf | Presidential elections were 1992 and 1996, not 1994. | 06:51 |
| samr7 | haha | 06:52 |
| samr7 | in the US they were | 06:52 |
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| derf | Yes, well. | 06:52 |
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| tulkastaldo | gah, was 92 I was thinking of senate elections for some reason and got the dates mixed up | 06:57 |
| samr7 | alright, no multimediad experts here | 06:58 |
| samr7 | but tulkastaldo is a knowledgeable dude nonetheless | 06:58 |
| samr7 | later all | 06:58 |
| tulkastaldo | if there is they're sleeping :P | 06:58 |
| samr7 | then they need to wake up and talk to me | 06:59 |
| samr7 | hear that? | 06:59 |
| samr7 | WAKE UP MULTIMEDIAD EXPERTS! | 06:59 |
| tulkastaldo | that should do it | 06:59 |
| samr7 | sometimes you just have to resort to shouting | 06:59 |
| samr7 | alright, night all | 07:00 |
| tulkastaldo | peace | 07:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Mer guys | Stskeeps | johnx | anybody...: Is there a start-hildon -script downloadable somewhere? | 10:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok, maybe i don't need it yet... glib is needed before. | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | it'll come | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | right now im bootstrapping it so | 10:30 |
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| Meiz_n810 | k | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | as we need to make the launcher work | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | and then we prolly get some patches from johnx | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | it's not much worth doing huge amount of work until sdk is out as that may change the game completely | 11:02 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok :) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh, just received an advertisement.. and there's a n810 in it | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | for 1,073.41 euro. | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | now -that's- a ripoff company. | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (approx 1320 usd) | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | at least they put it under portable pcs and not mobile phones. | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | interesting, n810 is down in same price range as i bought my n800 in | 11:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | xD 1,073,41??? | 11:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | when i bought my n810 it was 370 euro | 11:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | now it's 310 at the same store | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, i checked out the operation, it's obviously 2x prices | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | or 3-4x | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | i can offer a cheaper price just ordering for people and sending it to them | 11:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 11:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | pandora will propably drop n810 price a bit... | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure really | 11:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i guess it will... they are both portable "computers", but ofcourse, pandora is meant to be a gaming console... | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | well it can only help having more omap3 stuff on the market i guess | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | but what will push down prices is netbooks and ipod touch and such instead | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | or HSDPA bundling | 11:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 11:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i am really waiting for arm-based laptops (12-15 inch screen) | 11:45 |
| mavhc | n810's dropped 5ukps in 6 months in uk | 11:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | there will propably be some at the next summer | 11:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | when ubuntu-arm in offical | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 11:45 |
| mavhc | debian has had an arm version for years | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but is debian very consumer oriented? :P | 11:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | debian should have versions for diffrent boards, not only armv4 | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm still wondering if armv6t-vfp makes a different to armv5t, if you optimize certain libraries for armv6t-vfp | 11:47 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Ubuntu will make "installers" and kernels for many devices | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, probably | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | but which things benefit from being compiled for later arm versions | 11:55 |
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| AStorm | Stskeeps, obviously, media stuff | 12:00 |
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| AStorm | especially from vfp | 12:00 |
| AStorm | unless the lib is fully integer | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, stuff like libm and other heavy duty stuff :P | 12:02 |
| t_s_o | heh, got some spare time on your hands again qwerty12? ;) | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, haha, yeah :P | 12:09 |
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| Macer | well.. upgraded my esx box :) | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 12:51 |
| Macer | heh | 12:51 |
| Macer | Stskeeps - only reason i did it was to give you guys dev shells :-P | 12:51 |
| Macer | i still have to make the VM for debian | 12:51 |
| Macer | but it has a core2duo 2.8GHz and an extra 1TB in it now | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. what kind of link is it on anyway? | 12:52 |
| Macer | comcast commerical line | 12:52 |
| Macer | i think 16/2 | 12:52 |
| Macer | something like that | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:52 |
| Macer | maybe faster.. who knows :) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure it can fit in the infrastructure :P right now we're waiting a bit for fremantle sdk | 12:52 |
| Macer | well... i'll give you root on the vm | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | and to be sure, quotas on traffic? | 12:53 |
| Macer | after that you can take it from there | 12:53 |
| Macer | haha | 12:53 |
| Macer | no quotas | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:53 |
| Macer | it's a commercial line | 12:53 |
| Macer | got it for just that reason ;) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | i've bankrupted hosting companies in the past on my other open source project :P | 12:53 |
| Macer | HAHA | 12:53 |
| Macer | well.. it will only go as fast as you allow it ;) | 12:53 |
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| Macer | you have 934872394837 people downloading shit off the 2mbit line.. | 12:53 |
| Macer | it's not going to make for a good day haha | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | cos they didn't think a 1.4mb download of an ircd could make that much traffic | 12:54 |
| Macer | hahah | 12:54 |
| Macer | sure it could | 12:54 |
| Macer | if enough people need ircd ;) | 12:54 |
| Macer | just try to save me 128k of my upstream ;) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:55 |
| Macer | so i don't hiccup when trying to check my email | 12:55 |
| Macer | haha | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | 16/2, just noticed ;) | 12:55 |
| Macer | yeah | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | we'll figure out something to use it for :) | 12:55 |
| Macer | 2mbit isn't that much | 12:55 |
| Macer | haha | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | i have 1mbit on trac.tspre.org up | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:55 |
| Macer | where's it located? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk, in a server room, dorm :P | 12:56 |
| Macer | ah | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | dedicated 2/1 though | 12:56 |
| Macer | heh.. well... | 12:56 |
| Macer | might help to have a US spot | 12:56 |
| Macer | anyways.. i'll work on the debian install in a bit | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:57 |
| Macer | i'm moving my other VMs to the 1TB | 12:57 |
| Macer | little shuttle has 1 80G and 1 1TB in it now | 12:57 |
| Macer | hope the psu doesn't melt | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | no rush, as said, sitting a bit ducks till fremantle comes out :P | 12:57 |
| Macer | on a good UPS so shouldn't have any problems there | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | (alpha sdk) | 12:57 |
| Macer | ah | 12:57 |
| Macer | ok... well... i'll let you know when it's up | 12:57 |
| Macer | although.. you may have to tell me to set up my httpd to redirect to the VM | 12:57 |
| Macer | any specific hostname you want for it? | 12:58 |
| Macer | it would be xxx.rancorous.net | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | nah, something 'mer' related possibly | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | so mer.rancorous.net | 12:58 |
| Macer | ok | 12:58 |
| Macer | i'll set that up too after i'm done moving all this crap to the new hd | 12:58 |
| Macer | i'll let you know when i'm done | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | fine | 12:58 |
| * Stskeeps continues compiling stuff :P | 12:58 | |
| Macer | heh | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ | 12:59 |
| lcuk | has firefox become old and bloated and slow? | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | i recall when firefox was bloody speedy | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | .. and when IE was faster than netscape | 13:00 |
| lcuk | yeah ive still got a 1.x branch at work | 13:01 |
| Macer | haha | 13:01 |
| lcuk | ive just done a v simple test and my internet explorer 6 beats it! | 13:01 |
| Macer | firefox kinda went the monolithic route | 13:01 |
| lcuk | the 3.x i mean | 13:01 |
| Macer | at least opera is still around :) | 13:01 |
| lcuk | came from ie to ff | 13:01 |
| lcuk | i spent about 3 hours yesterday cleaning up tonnes of stuff only to discover its not my machine or fs | 13:02 |
| Macer | this stuff really needs to hurry up and copy | 13:02 |
| Macer | my zimbra server is down because of this :) | 13:03 |
| AStorm | Macer, firefox monolithic? wtf? | 13:03 |
| lcuk | anyway, good mornin chaps \o | 13:03 |
| AStorm | you meant the other way? | 13:03 |
| AStorm | hi lcuk | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: how slow is the transparency? | 13:03 |
| lcuk | he said slow | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:04 |
| Macer | no | 13:04 |
| Macer | characterized by massiveness | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Not very much tbh. Usable but there is a little delay. If you want to try it out, I could upload the two debs (xcompmgr is "toggableable" from the menu) | 13:04 |
| Macer | my god this copying is killing me | 13:04 |
| Macer | i need to get these damn VMs started back up :) | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe will later :P compiling a lot of stuff | 13:05 |
| Macer | maybe i'll go smoke and when i come back.. they'll be done | 13:05 |
| * lcuk has a lean mean win machine, everything else runs nicely ;) | 13:05 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe | 13:05 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, what does the fade actually fade from and to? | 13:07 |
| lcuk | could we use it to fade between background images? | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, no idea, I've never used xcompmgr before, I've only noticed it fading in the on screen keyboard & menus so far | 13:08 |
| lcuk | (on idle during charging) | 13:08 |
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| qwerty12 | mpd. can't beat it. | 13:09 |
| AStorm | can. xmms2 | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, xmms2 was never to my taste | 13:10 |
| AStorm | uhm, servers are a matter of taste now? :P | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | Yes :P. I like the range of clients and programs for mpd etc | 13:11 |
| AStorm | yup, that xmms2 can't beat yet | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | Plus after compiling ~30 dependencies for moar features, you'll be hard pushed to change my mind :P | 13:12 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, mpd has a sucky audio output | 13:12 |
| AStorm | the deps are similar | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, on the tablets I have to get it to use libao which sends it to esd :/ | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | be nice if it could just send to esd directly | 13:13 |
| AStorm | you can | 13:13 |
| AStorm | I use it for pulse on my machine | 13:13 |
| AStorm | *used | 13:14 |
| * Stskeeps looks forward to pulseaudio on tablets. | 13:14 | |
| qwerty12 | oh, on the computer. Yeah, I used to use pulseaudio in one of my past ubuntu installs but took me ages to set up :/ | 13:14 |
| * AStorm looks forward to proper ALSA | 13:14 | |
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| AStorm | ages? it's 5 minutes | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Getting as much apps as you can to use pulse natively? | 13:15 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:15 |
| AStorm | the worst was actually mpd | 13:15 |
| AStorm | and some portaudio apps | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | worst for me was flash. stupid wrapper would cause firefox to crash | 13:16 |
| AStorm | fixed now :) | 13:16 |
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| LinuxCode | anyone know a kernel arg to specify keyboard type ? | 13:17 |
| LinuxCode | or a list of kernel args or how I can obtain one ? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool! It's tempting to try pulseaudio and get this back again: http://i25.tinypic.com/35i50uf.png :P | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. maybe you should start by telling what you're trying to codo | 13:18 |
| LinuxCode | Id imagine there would be a file somewhere | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | , todo | 13:18 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, its not maemo related really | 13:18 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 13:18 |
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| AStorm | nah,. compiz sucks | 13:20 |
| AStorm | I actually meant nvidia sucks :P | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | ATI here :) | 13:21 |
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| AStorm | game framerate is cut in half | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Though a shitty IGP >.< | 13:21 |
| AStorm | cube is pointless | 13:21 |
| AStorm | unusable | 13:21 |
| * RST38h has got a trident | 13:21 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I remember the time when everyone was advocating NVDIA for Linux... | 13:22 |
| RST38h | so, there is NO game framerate | 13:22 |
| AStorm | a trident or the trident? | 13:22 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:22 |
| RST38h | a | 13:22 |
| RST38h | or I would use it on a few people | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I used to have an nvidia riva tnt2 :P. 32MB memory! | 13:22 |
| RST38h | ah, tnt at least supports 3d | 13:23 |
| AStorm | I used to have S3 Savage 4 :P | 13:23 |
| AStorm | pity S3 folded so quickly | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | I have the Epson LCD controller! | 13:23 |
| lcuk | r0xx0r! | 13:24 |
| * AStorm too | 13:24 | |
| RST38h | well at least it does hw scaling | 13:24 |
| * slonopotamus hates configure scripts | 13:24 | |
| AStorm | I have a 1bit diode framebuffer :P | 13:25 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it does hardware dynamic scaling as well - i identified a mode ages ago which turns it into a lens | 13:25 |
| AStorm | fun project, that one | 13:25 |
| * slonopotamus 10kb app + 700kb configure script. idiocy. | 13:25 | |
| AStorm | lcuk, :D | 13:25 |
| AStorm | slonopotamus, that's autoconf for you | 13:26 |
| AStorm | it should die | 13:26 |
| * lcuk reboots | 13:26 | |
| lcuk | autoconf is good and its bad, i cant use it :( | 13:26 |
| slonopotamus | conditional compilation is evil | 13:26 |
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| AStorm | slonopotamus, not always... win32 is different enough to warrant some | 13:27 |
| slonopotamus | make standard lib and write apps against it | 13:27 |
| slonopotamus | without any conditionals | 13:27 |
| AStorm | yeah right | 13:28 |
| AStorm | it's called cygwin? | 13:28 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:28 |
| slonopotamus | only c/cpp has this troubles | 13:28 |
| slonopotamus | these | 13:28 |
| AStorm | yup | 13:28 |
| slonopotamus | bad lib design? | 13:28 |
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| AStorm | you mean, stdlib from 60s? yup | 13:29 |
| slonopotamus | java, for example, doesn't have preprocessor at all | 13:30 |
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| slonopotamus | and many languages too | 13:30 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:31 |
| slonopotamus | and that doesn't prevent then from writing good software | 13:31 |
| AStorm | cpp is an old hack | 13:31 |
| slonopotamus | just moaning, don't mind | 13:31 |
| lcuk | let us know when you stop moaning so we can un /ignore you | 13:32 |
| lcuk | :P | 13:32 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 13:32 |
| lcuk | i just had my first go on rockband | 13:33 |
| lcuk | tracy said i got the bike face | 13:33 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 13:34 |
| lcuk | hiya | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | ello lardman | 13:34 |
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| lardman | hey chaps | 13:35 |
| lardman | Am just taking a look at baddu's opengl-on-dsp code | 13:35 |
| lcuk | now THAT makes me smile | 13:35 |
| lcuk | you have a buildable gl? (on any processor!) | 13:35 |
| lardman | vincent? | 13:36 |
| lardman | opengl-es then | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | opengl-on-dsp? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | lardman, needs full thing, not just vincent | 13:36 |
| AStorm | dammit | 13:36 |
| lcuk | we couldnt get a from source system setup | 13:36 |
| lardman | ah well, just opengl es then for starters | 13:36 |
| AStorm | browserd crashed... again | 13:36 |
| lcuk | lardman :D | 13:36 |
| * Stskeeps is curious what lardman is talking about :P | 13:37 | |
| lardman | I've emailed baddu and suggested he starts a garage project as I'm sure at least a few people will be interested in this | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter | 13:37 |
| AStorm | uhm? he implemented a shader pipeline on dsp? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | oh yes | 13:37 |
| lardman | AStorm: not sure yet | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | but its dsp, so the dev size shrinks :( | 13:38 |
| lcuk | but its opengl so i will cheer you on every step of the way :D | 13:38 |
| lardman | yeah but it's just C/C++ code, the dspgateway stuff can be hidden away | 13:38 |
| lcuk | not on device though | 13:38 |
| lardman | yes it can | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | isn't a 3d accelerator just a glorified DSP anyway? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | full build system on device? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | yes | 13:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah, ok not build system | 13:39 |
| lcuk | and a dsp is just a glorified arm | 13:39 |
| lcuk | hey simon, i got over a major sticking point in my code last night | 13:39 |
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| lardman | dsp has specialisms, macs and the like, lots of numeric-helping microcode/extra registers, that sort of thing afaik | 13:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: what was that? | 13:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24821&page=10 | 13:40 |
| lcuk | scroll down, theres pictures | 13:40 |
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| AStorm | dsp is a specialized arm :) | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | arm is a specialized leg | 13:45 |
| AStorm | and not using it is just a waste of 133 MHz | 13:45 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | yes, sitting idle is a waste | 13:45 |
| lardman | well not really, as the DSP can be switched off completely | 13:46 |
| lardman | but it would be good to be able to use it for more stuff of course :) | 13:46 |
| lcuk | yeah deffo | 13:46 |
| lcuk | which do you prefer by the way, handwriting or ttf | 13:47 |
| lardman | me? | 13:47 |
| lardman | typing | 13:47 |
| lcuk | lardman, i mean the handwriting font - it is still typed - its just a font but YOUR handwriting | 13:48 |
| lardman | ah ok | 13:48 |
| AStorm | ouch, my handwriting is less legible | 13:49 |
| AStorm | and takes more space | 13:49 |
| lcuk | astorm, its scalable | 13:50 |
| lcuk | i was looking at a variation engine initially, make x boxes each with a sketch and show all variations of a certain tag | 13:50 |
| AStorm | ? | 13:53 |
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| AStorm | lc | 13:54 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:54 |
| lcuk | AStorm, the handwriting font thing didnt start as handwriting | 13:54 |
| AStorm | well, my handwriting scaled would be illegible | 13:54 |
| lcuk | it was just me playing | 13:54 |
| lcuk | ahhh - but it would | 13:55 |
| lcuk | you can read your handwriting at different distances from your eyes cant you.. | 13:55 |
| AStorm | to some limit | 13:56 |
| AStorm | not at 9pt | 13:56 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:56 |
| AStorm | that would be the equivalent of 2m distance | 13:57 |
| lcuk | heh, what if i got celebs to supply their handwriting | 13:57 |
| lcuk | or doctors | 13:57 |
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| lardman | yeah mine's pretty bad ;) | 13:58 |
| lcuk | ahhh excellent "Fonts by Community Council member lardman" | 13:58 |
| lcuk | or should i say sfjkhawefuiesrg | 13:59 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:59 |
| lcuk | my god luke hasnt stopped with rockband all morning | 13:59 |
| lcuk | at least modern drums are quieter than real drums :) | 13:59 |
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| AStorm | lcuk, no, they aren't | 14:00 |
| lardman | where can I read a good technical overview of opengl (es)? | 14:01 |
| lcuk | which aspect si | 14:01 |
| lcuk | the api or usage | 14:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.opengl.org/documentation/ | 14:01 |
| lardman | api I suppose, what sorts of data are passed | 14:01 |
| lardman | good stuff, thanks | 14:02 |
| lcuk | need faster internet on tablets | 14:02 |
| lcuk | and leave one in bathroom | 14:02 |
| lcuk | but you cant rip pages off it in an emergency | 14:02 |
| lardman | certainly need faster internet, not sure about the rest :) | 14:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:04 |
| lcuk | i started to pull in the core libraries and methods for parsing text yesterday | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:11 |
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| lardman | hi Jaffa | 14:14 |
| lcuk | hiya jaffa | 14:16 |
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| `Mace | well | 14:23 |
| `Mace | let's see about installing debian | 14:23 |
| `Mace | blah | 14:23 |
| lcuk | heh, microsoft are rethinking software rendering :D http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/11/29/2058259.shtml | 14:24 |
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| AStorm | lcuk, I see it as "take that, Intel" | 14:27 |
| lcuk | yup i do as well | 14:27 |
| `Mace | haha | 14:27 |
| `Mace | wtf is wrong with crysis? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | of course the example crysis is just silly numbers, its for glass but it it shows its possible | 14:27 |
| `Mace | i mean seriously.. even the newest of the new cards seem to not work very well at playing it | 14:27 |
| `Mace | screw that. it's all about quake 3 arena | 14:28 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - you around? | 14:28 |
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| * lcuk is more a ut99 fan | 14:28 | |
| `Mace | i honestly never played it | 14:28 |
| AStorm | ultimately, they fail | 14:28 |
| `Mace | although i think that q3 kinda sucked | 14:29 |
| lcuk | i still play it | 14:29 |
| lcuk | and portal :D | 14:29 |
| `Mace | quake 1 was probably the most balanced | 14:29 |
| AStorm | I find ut more to my taste | 14:29 |
| AStorm | although q3 has its charm | 14:29 |
| `Mace | just because you could rocket jump heh | 14:29 |
| lcuk | hated what they did to ut - they seem to have found mojo recently though | 14:29 |
| `Mace | q3 made it extremely difficult to aim | 14:29 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 14:29 |
| slonopotamus | eight-core i7 | 14:29 |
| `Mace | is that an actual 8 core? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | suckers should try doing it on omap2 | 14:30 |
| slonopotamus | almost beat intel integrated vieo | 14:30 |
| `Mace | or is it a ht 4 core? | 14:30 |
| AStorm | `Mace, sucking at rj? lol | 14:30 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 14:30 |
| lcuk | they dont know the meaning of constrained | 14:30 |
| EgS | `Mace: 4core with ht | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: mm? | 14:30 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:30 |
| `Mace | heh | 14:30 |
| lcuk | egs, oooh ht | 14:30 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - how much space do you need? | 14:30 |
| AStorm | lcuk, I think the DSP would beat intel's junk | 14:30 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: er, how much are you willing to give? :P 5-10gb? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | i think a dead squirrel would beat intel mobos | 14:31 |
| `Mace | er | 14:31 |
| `Mace | so 400 would be ok? | 14:31 |
| `Mace | heh | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | er. 400gb? | 14:31 |
| `Mace | yeah | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think you can set it to 100gb while we're negotiating | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | more than enough for quite a while | 14:31 |
| `Mace | 5 - 10? .. you living in 1992? :) | 14:31 |
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| AStorm | hmm, any nice laptop with cheap ht multicore, and power efficient too? | 14:31 |
| `Mace | i like to think future.. i'll give you 250 for now | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. okay | 14:32 |
| `Mace | if you need more i'll give you space on my fs | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:32 |
| lcuk | AStorm, theres a nokia tablet you might be interested in | 14:32 |
| `Mace | i'm going to work on the debian install now | 14:32 |
| lcuk | its multicore | 14:32 |
| AStorm | lcuk, I have one | 14:32 |
| AStorm | no hnt though | 14:32 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - you want debian? | 14:32 |
| AStorm | *ht | 14:32 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:32 |
| `Mace | or would some other distro be better? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: it's debian or ubuntu server.. ubuntu server may be better with our work | 14:32 |
| slonopotamus | 8-core i7 is a little bit quicker then integrated graphics. hehe. didn't they compare the price? | 14:32 |
| `Mace | hm. | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | but it doesn't matter since it's all chroot stuff | 14:33 |
| lcuk | anyway, back later ive got some coding to do | 14:33 |
| lcuk | look at me still talking then theres science to do D: | 14:33 |
| `Mace | hm.. i'll use ubuntu server then | 14:33 |
| lcuk | mmm | 14:33 |
| lcuk | :D even | 14:33 |
| slonopotamus | is there compiz in ubuntu server? :) | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't matter when we access with ssh.. | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:34 |
| AStorm | lcuk, same... after some unfortunate shopping :/ | 14:34 |
| slonopotamus | no compiz over ssh?! | 14:34 |
| slonopotamus | man, then it's not better then old debian ;) | 14:35 |
| slonopotamus | than | 14:35 |
| AStorm | compiz over ssh? wtf? | 14:36 |
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| lardman|out | xmas shopping beckons :( | 15:13 |
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| johnx | m00f | 15:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | foom | 15:16 |
| jaska | oomf | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fmoo | 15:17 |
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| LinuxCode | lardman|out, dont mention x-mas lol | 15:22 |
| koos | what if my maemo/extra package has a runtime depency on xsltproc, which is in maemo/sdk repo, does the autogenerated .install files add this repo? | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: hildon-desktop is bootstrapped in repo btw, and on lp:~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop | 15:29 |
| johnx | ah, beat me to it | 15:29 |
| johnx | I just got back to my apartment | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | armel build is in progress | 15:29 |
| johnx | so you pulled in start-hildon and killed off dependency on osso-af-init and hildon-initscripts I assume? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just to level where it builds and libhildondesktop-dev is installable for launcher | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | almost straight from svn tag | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | juf | 15:33 |
| johnx | ah, so then it won't install without those I think | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | just needs hacking now | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | just branch mine i guess | 15:34 |
| johnx | ok, sounds good | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | but im just sitting ducks till fremantle alpha sdk comes out | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | k, h-d is built for armel too | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to use builder, follow directions in blueprint, (upload source package, /import-new-packages on server, and say "build srcpackage" on #merbuilder on jaiku) | 15:40 |
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| `Mace | sts | 15:47 |
| `Mace | you want this ubuntu server install to use auto updates? :) | 15:47 |
| `Mace | nevermind.. i just chose no. | 15:50 |
| `Mace | heh | 15:50 |
| `Mace | i might have to drop your RAM % .. you'll probably only get 512-1G | 15:51 |
| johnx | yeah, that's fine | 15:51 |
| `Mace | heh | 15:56 |
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| `Mace | johnx - you're both working on this mer stuff right? | 15:57 |
| johnx | yeah, but right now Stskeeps is doing most of the work. just saying, that it shouldn't matter | 15:57 |
| `Mace | well.. ijust wanted you to set up the ubuntu box ;) | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | koos: no, your extras apps should only have dependencies on packages which are part of the system install, or available in extras. | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | koos: if you depend on xsltproc, you'll have to put it in extras | 15:58 |
| koos | Jaffa: thanks, I'll do that then | 15:59 |
| koos | Jaffa: btw, can I just take the same one from /sdk, ie no version change? | 16:00 |
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| Jaffa | koos: should be ok, I think | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | damn damn damn damn | 16:08 |
| GAN800 | They should just fold the Tools repo into Extras. | 16:11 |
| GAN800 | Who do we need to talk to to make that happen? :/ | 16:11 |
| * lcuk tears someone elses hair out (to save his own) | 16:11 | |
| Jaffa | GAN800: We tried already and there was some Nokia pushback/washing hands of it | 16:15 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, I'm not convinced we got all the way to the source | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | i cant get this 800 updated | 16:32 |
| lcuk | gonna confirm it works when i connect via normal disk mode | 16:34 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, pull mine | 16:34 |
| * LinuxCode smears some curry into his hair | 16:34 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 16:35 |
| lcuk | mmmmm yummy | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | actualy wasnt that yummy | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | i wanted a madras but they didnt have one | 16:35 |
| lcuk | i thought you would be more like a mild korma (with extra cream) | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | ahhh usb is on the fritz mm | 16:37 |
| lcuk | no, it adds the 2 drives | 16:38 |
| lcuk | and drops them if i unplug - right, thats working. any mojo required to update an n800 with windows flasher? | 16:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Save yourself from pain & just use the linux flasher. windows' one involves installing shit like bb5 drivers | 16:40 |
| * qwerty12_N800 dreads booting into vista. i know that there will be a backlog of updates waiting for me :/ | 16:42 | |
| lcuk | same usb port finds my n810 correctly first time | 16:42 |
| lcuk | its waiting now | 16:42 |
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| lcuk | mmmm thats odd then | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, if you insist, run cmd and run the following: set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 , start devmgmt.msc and choose show all devices from view menu and uninstall the stuff like nokia phone adl parent, bb5 etc | 16:44 |
| lcuk | thanks :) i do insist | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | Windows. . . . | 16:49 |
| johnx | ~windows | 16:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, windows is either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 16:50 |
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| johnx | guess he couldn't take the windows bashing? | 16:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | shame that 0xffff didn't work in windows last time when i hacked it enough to compile in cygwin :/ | 16:52 |
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| drwx | Hi, do you know how to do page up and page down on N810 | 16:55 |
| andrewfblack | I'm on a windows pc right now, and i don't mind the bashing | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | poo | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 16:56 |
| lcuk | foo | 16:56 |
| lcuk | ~flashing | 16:57 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:57 |
| andrewfblack | I will admit the only real reason I'm on windows is I havnt taken the time to put linux on this new laptop | 16:57 |
| drwx | Do you know how to do page up on N810 please | 17:00 |
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| johnx | drwx, if someone knows they'll respond, no need to repeat quite so often | 17:01 |
| GAN800 | I should probably stop posting from this thinf | 17:02 |
| GAN800 | s/thinf/thing/ | 17:02 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: I should probably stop posting from this thing | 17:02 |
| GAN800 | The finger keyboard makes me flammier than I intend to be. :P | 17:02 |
| johnx | GAN800, the lack of *anyone* even making positive noises about a community supported edition hurts | 17:03 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, I'm gonna address THAT point later. . . . | 17:03 |
| GAN800 | Hi andrewfblack. :) | 17:03 |
| johnx | just, please don't stir people up too much about it | 17:04 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, I was just planning on point at the activity. :p | 17:06 |
| johnx | hmm, in that case give me a couple days :) | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 17:08 |
| slonopotamus | s/hmm/hmmm/ | 17:08 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: hmmm | 17:08 |
| slonopotamus | s/\//\// | 17:09 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 17:10 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders what's going on now :P | 17:14 | |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: quim seems positive about variants, atleast, and keeps on referring to it :P | 17:17 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, the issue is the idiots on itT. :P | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:18 |
| johnx | yeah, which is nice. having the diablo desktop with fremantle-level libs is probably a realistic goal | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's easier to discuss than do something | 17:18 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, well, rant and foam at the mouth. ;) | 17:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did you use maemo gtk in beta2 btw? | 17:24 |
| * Stskeeps never tried out beta2 so has no idea the level of functionality it had | 17:25 | |
| johnx | I used all debian packages | 17:25 |
| johnx | that was before I realized the extent of changes in the gtk library | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:26 |
| johnx | functionality was ok, but the system was a minefield. install a debian package and it would just overwrite random stuff I had hacked into place by hand | 17:26 |
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| johnx | it was more "demo" than "proof of concept" | 17:26 |
| GAN800 | Input was the real killer for out-of-the-box for me. | 17:27 |
| johnx | ah, well that too | 17:27 |
| johnx | heh | 17:27 |
| * GAN800 stabs Matchbox keyboard | 17:27 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: you have impressive skill in typing on your on screen keyboard, i must say | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | lol | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | Lotta practice | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | I'd be better if it weren't for the myriad of bugs that slow me down. | 17:28 |
| derf | I've still never really used the one that comes with the device. | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | vkb? | 17:30 |
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| GAN800 | I hate that thing. qwerty12 is insane for using it. | 17:30 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, | 17:31 |
| GAN800 | lol | 17:31 |
| derf | I use maemocjk. | 17:31 |
| johnx | ah, matchbox-keyboard :) | 17:31 |
| GAN800 | Multitouch would reduce the number of phantom returns. :/ | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800 = hater :P | 17:31 |
| GAN800 | Woo Woo | 17:32 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm signed up on launchpad (finally, I know). What do I have to do to be able to push to mer's bzr? | 17:51 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 18:01 |
| thopiekar | do you know who is responsible for the maemo-sdk-vm on m.garage? | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, nope, isnt there a contact page on the garage | 18:02 |
| lcuk | but whats up with it | 18:02 |
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| thopiekar | i just wanna make some how-to's and help other people here in germany working with it... so i even wanted to ask the publishers to get multi-language support | 18:04 |
| thopiekar | something like the ubuntu's language-changing-dialog on the first start of the vm | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | and multilanguge-support in eclipse would be useful | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | .. | 18:05 |
| lcuk | well i think theres other problems first isnt there - is it still using the chinook build stuff | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nothing | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: bzr push lp:~yourusername/m-r/packagename | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | and bzr merge to grab from your upstream | 18:07 |
| johnx | ah, awesome | 18:07 |
| thopiekar | i started myself to make a own vm.. but i stopped working on it because i remembered that there is something on m.garage... | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | vm or wm? | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:08 |
| thopiekar | vm | 18:08 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | nm :) | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: and the ease of uploadign and publishing branches is one positive side of lp i guess | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ~johnx on there? | 18:10 |
| johnx | John Bloom I think? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, you have a username | 18:11 |
| johnx | ah, gave me johnxx from my email I guess | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: remember bzr whoami btw | 18:12 |
| johnx | yeah, gotta fix my bzr settings :/ | 18:12 |
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| * Stskeeps still isn't fond of launchpad | 18:16 | |
| Stskeeps | too unstable | 18:16 |
| johnx | unstable? really? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | "https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/3.0-2r4480/", unstable bzr, etc.. | 18:16 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, it was updated a while ago. . . | 18:17 |
| lcuk | ok thanks | 18:17 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ok, just as you said that it died trying to update my location :/ | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | er, odd paste | 18:29 |
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| * Stskeeps notes launchpad is as slow as maemo.org when the 770s were running it | 18:41 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | ! | 18:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | The interpid version of ubuntu-mobile does not use hildon-desktop or matchbox-window-manager at all! | 18:44 |
| johnx | yes | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hm? | 18:44 |
| * Stskeeps didn't know that | 18:44 | |
| Stskeeps | what does it use then? | 18:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | so, we can have both maemo-desktop and u-m desktop on jaunty | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | ideally, i guess | 18:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | it uses gnome things | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | like gnome-panel... | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | sounds slow :P | 18:46 |
| GAN800 | Ah, now the thread has come full circle. | 18:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | it seems to use openbox... | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, switching between DE's could be neat | 18:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | not sure about openbox | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | "my nokia can be anything i want: android, ubuntu mobile, maemo, gnome, kde, fluxbox, .. or windows" | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | open platform, open device | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | i wanna try u-m on my ubuntu-box, how to start it? | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no clue :P | 18:56 |
| * Meiz_n810 is now asking from ubuntu -channels... | 18:57 | |
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| johnx | kind of nice to be commiting to my own space. At least I don't have to worry about stepping on other people's toes :) | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:00 |
| johnx | forgot how fast my desktop was, re: compiling | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it helps a bit in development that we also build for i386 | 19:01 |
| johnx | anyways, I think I re-re-debianized hildon-desktop successfully | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | still using launcher? | 19:03 |
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| GAN800 | Have you been adding variants-related bugs to the wiki? | 19:04 |
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| johnx | it appears not | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | fairly easy to add | 19:04 |
| johnx | just a tweak to configure? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:05 |
| johnx | I wonder if it affects the way it's started | 19:05 |
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| johnx | I'll just diff your rules with mine | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: we have them partly documented in our bzr branches and our jaiku log | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | so far they're not that rough really | 19:07 |
| johnx | hmm, in debian's package, maemo-launcher support is you export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher | 19:07 |
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| johnx | I assume we want it on all the time | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | now that we have the package bootstrapped | 19:07 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, put it on the wiki. :p | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: the real issue is when we start investigating architecture.. which relies on us knowing how fremantle looks | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | as we'll be beating a dead horse | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | +else | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | real issue appears | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle arch, / alpha sdk | 19:09 |
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| Mousey | didja know there's a new Garnet VM beta for nseries? | 19:09 |
| aquatix | yep | 19:10 |
| aquatix | :) | 19:10 |
| Mousey | it's almost got me wondering.. WHY? | 19:10 |
| * aquatix got an email | 19:10 | |
| Mousey | didn't stop me from installing it tho = | 19:10 |
| Mousey | =) | 19:10 |
| aquatix | myeah, there are 30000+ palm apps | 19:10 |
| aquatix | so it's nice to be able to run some | 19:10 |
| aquatix | for example medical ones | 19:10 |
| Mousey | yah, i still have a Treo700p | 19:10 |
| aquatix | or the PIM ones if you're really attached to them ;) | 19:10 |
| johnx | emulation is the future :) | 19:10 |
| Mousey | i love the Palm PIMs | 19:11 |
| Mousey | emulation bah, abstraction! =) | 19:11 |
| l7 | what kind of medical palm apps are there? | 19:11 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm gonna get some sleep before I try and reconcile debian's "rules" with maemo's "rules" | 19:11 |
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| aquatix | l7: lots of documentation and calculation stuff iirc | 19:11 |
| l7 | hrm, i guess that might be handy for doctors | 19:12 |
| aquatix | indeed | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright, gnite | 19:12 |
| aquatix | and for all kinds of other medical personel | 19:12 |
| l7 | yeah, i guess it could help them go paperless | 19:14 |
| l7 | i wonder if anyone has tried switching a hospital to palm devices | 19:15 |
| l7 | it seems like they might need something with more power like a tablet pc though | 19:15 |
| l7 | or a n900 | 19:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | allright... meta-package "ubuntu-mobile" installs gnome with the "Xandros style launcher" and installing kourou installs hildon etc... So we won't be able to have maemo-desktop and u-m on Mer at the same time. :( | 19:18 |
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| GAN800 | Dropbear spam | 19:23 |
| GAN800 | Somebody needs to show Matt what a metapackage is. . . . | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well ubuntu-mobile is what the new u-m is then i guess | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | "According to Stu, a netbook with a 10-inch screen is "fine for an hour. It's not something you're going to use day in and day out." | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if they're referring to the battery time.. | 19:26 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, you're kidding with that gFTP description, right? <_< | 19:26 |
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| GAN800 | Your regex is showing. . . . :p | 19:26 |
| l7 | Stskeeps: it sounds like they're talking about productivity | 19:27 |
| l7 | all some people do is surf the web and webmail though | 19:27 |
| GAN800 | Still haven't heard back from mvo about the translations. | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Looks fine to me. | 19:27 |
| GAN800 | Needs to finish that up this week. | 19:27 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, yes, well, you're a crazy person. ;) | 19:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: they are still devenloping the "old" ubuntu-mobile, but maybe it is more mobiln related... | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | l7: i could easily imagine situations where simply being able to drag windows from my desktop to my tablet would be useful | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | I have no plans on changing it so... | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well you have to consider moblin ditched ubuntu as base | 19:28 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, did I even get an updated Location & Navigation translation from you? | 19:28 |
| l7 | Stskeeps: oh yeah i would do most of my surfing on the couch from a tablet for starters | 19:28 |
| l7 | or email reading | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: well there was the whole discussion about Location :P | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, would you accept a patch? :P | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe. :P | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, RST38h's solution was reasonable. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | which was what again? | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | The long description was from debian actually, I never changed that | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | position? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, why do you need to tell people it's a GTK application in the pretty name? | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12 | GAN800, because there is also the gftp-common & gftp-text packages. I don't want people to get confused (Not much chance, I know...) | 19:31 |
| GAN800 | Should be zero chance if the others aren't in user/ :P | 19:32 |
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| GAN800 | konttori_, ping? | 19:32 |
| GAN800 | I wonder if integration@maemo.org actually points anywhere | 19:35 |
| GAN800 | It should really be a nokia.com address. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, maemo integration release the source to their stuff :P | 19:36 |
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| GAN800 | Clearly I would know who it is if it were actually a community package | 19:37 |
| GAN800 | since I don't, it's clearly not. :P | 19:38 |
| GAN800 | and therefore doesn't belong on a community address. | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | :P, I associate nokia with all the closed source evil stuff and Maemo.org with the good stuff :D | 19:38 |
| GAN800 | s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g :P | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, right. So Maemo on its own is capitalised right? :) | 19:41 |
| GAN800 | Don't need Nokia soiling our good name? ;) | 19:41 |
| GAN800 | Right | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | Skeen | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra <- interesting | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | could make some interesting tech demo with that | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. ok, it's kinda like vnc instead | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok, not | 19:56 |
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| lardman | re | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 20:08 |
| lardman | ty | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5100065/calling-all-wannabe-dr-evils-super-secret-london-tunnel-lair-for-sale <=== Anybody willing to donate $8 million? | 20:22 |
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| Ro9u3oR | are there any word processing and spreadsheet apps for the n800? | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | Ro-oR: Gnumeric | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | And Abiword for word processing, when somebody intelligent finally finishes it | 20:37 |
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| Ro9u3oR | lol | 20:38 |
| Ro9u3oR | thanks ill look into it | 20:38 |
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| Ro9u3oR | RST maybe you can help me with this also | 20:38 |
| baddu | lardman: hello | 20:39 |
| Ro9u3oR | would the WEP be located on the actuall router? for instance my linksys router | 20:39 |
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| konttori_ | GAN800: pong | 20:51 |
| RST38h | Ro-oR: Last known location of the WEP is in your pants | 20:54 |
| RST38h | [translation: invalid question] | 20:54 |
| Ro9u3oR | and to think i was dealing with educated linux user, who am i fooling | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | Ro9u3oR: this isn't a support channel though. WEP/WPA/etc settings for your wireless network is configured at your wireless router | 21:01 |
| Ro9u3oR | Thanks St.. any support channels you would like to mention? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/ or http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | konttori_, you know anything about the Maemo control packages? USBNet, system services, etc. | 21:04 |
| drjnut | RST38h, my typical answer is "in your body, somewhere near your back office.... deeper..." | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | The maintainer is set to 'integration@maemo.org' | 21:04 |
| konttori_ | GAN800: sorry. I assume they are coming from the nokia integration, so probably provided by relevant teams and then the nokia integrators team is providing the packages also to extras. | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | Just my guess. | 21:05 |
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| disco_stu | GAN800: wich is the best way to use msn with the bult in client in Diablo, rtcomm ? | 21:09 |
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| GAN800 | konttori_, I guess I've got to ask X-Fade if that email points anywhere, but Nokia shouldn't be using maemo.org addresses | 21:12 |
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| GAN800 | disco_stu, add the colabora repo and install the appropriate telepathy addons. | 21:12 |
| disco_stu | ack | 21:13 |
| RST38h | drjnut: You are wasting words for political correctness sake. Not worth it. | 21:14 |
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| drjnut | RST38h, you mean I could use the standard form (IYA)? | 21:14 |
| drjnut | ;-) | 21:14 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: i think collabora has problems with pidgin | 21:14 |
| RST38h | drjnut: Obviously | 21:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: Collabora has its own untested version of Pidgin | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Once you let it install that stuff from Collabora repository, nobody knows what will happen to Pidgin - Collabora guys haven't checked | 21:16 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, Pidgin sucks | 21:16 |
| RST38h | GAN: Maybe. But it is no reason to break it. | 21:16 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: pidgin rulz | 21:16 |
| GAN800 | If you're using rtcomm, pidgin functionality isn't important anyway | 21:17 |
| RST38h | GAN: Except that Collabora's rtcomm stuff relies on libpurple | 21:17 |
| GAN800 | Other than that, there's the rtcomm beta. | 21:17 |
| GAN800 | OK, whatever, figure it out amongst yourselves, I'm gonna watch the Princess Bride. | 21:17 |
| * RST38h has got 20fps from that MIPS. Isn't it simply miraculous? | 21:17 | |
| RST38h | Urgh | 21:18 |
| drjnut | RST38h, yeah, but sometimes the long form could hit harder than the typical form | 21:18 |
| disco_stu | princess bride ? | 21:18 |
| disco_stu | wtf | 21:18 |
| GAN800 | Never seen it? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | drjnut: With the long form, you can get waaay more creative | 21:18 |
| GAN800 | I recommend you go educate yourself on IMDb. | 21:18 |
| disco_stu | lol | 21:18 |
| * RST38h no longer watches new movies, just the old stuff | 21:18 | |
| drjnut | right | 21:18 |
| disco_stu | old stuff | 21:19 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, new being 1987? :p | 21:19 |
| disco_stu | nice girl | 21:19 |
| drjnut | I do "mplayer -fixed-vo -shuffle -loop 0 *.avi" | 21:19 |
| * RST38h has tried The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen last time and it sucked. | 21:19 | |
| RST38h | GAN: Nah, I am not THAT picky | 21:19 |
| drjnut | ... especially within my porn dir | 21:20 |
| RST38h | GAN: Last good American one was probably Mars Attacks | 21:20 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 21:20 |
| RST38h | And Wag The Dog, if you like documentaries =) | 21:20 |
| GAN800 | The Dark Knight | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Pure SFX - nothing to watch | 21:20 |
| GAN800 | There's very light cgi in that movie | 21:20 |
| GAN800 | Basically the stupid batcycle is the only cgi | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Still, does not add it any storyline :( | 21:21 |
| GAN800 | Everything else is either models or real | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Ok, wait, I enjoyed Firefly the series | 21:21 |
| GAN800 | Did you see it? :rolleyes: | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Dark Knight? Downloaded it, watched for 15 minutes, fell asleep | 21:22 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 21:22 |
| * GAN800 notes not to bother discussing movied with RST38h | 21:22 | |
| GAN800 | s/movied/movies/ | 21:22 |
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| * RST38h is a boring old fart, correct. | 21:24 | |
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| woglinde | hehe | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: "posisjon" | 21:25 |
| woglinde | I watching the transporter right now | 21:25 |
| RST38h | (reads books, ignores special effects) | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | (position) | 21:25 |
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| GAN800 | Ehehe http://wiki.maemo.org/Git_For_Garage | 21:27 |
| woglinde | gan800 hehe | 21:28 |
| woglinde | gan800 hm there is now git plugin for gforge right now | 21:28 |
| woglinde | no | 21:28 |
| woglinde | so no git for garage | 21:28 |
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| GAN800 | woglinde, read the page. | 21:30 |
| woglinde | yeah | 21:30 |
| woglinde | I saw the plan | 21:30 |
| woglinde | we will see | 21:30 |
| oli | when would skype support the built-in camera in n800? ;) | 21:32 |
| woglinde | oli lol | 21:32 |
| woglinde | ask skype | 21:32 |
| GAN800 | oli, harass Skype about it. | 21:32 |
| GAN800 | woglinde, what do you mean 'we will see'? it's ferenc working on it, not some random community spare-time deal. | 21:33 |
| woglinde | gan yeah | 21:33 |
| woglinde | but that can fail too | 21:34 |
| oli | none of my friends are using gizmo/msn ;( | 21:34 |
| woglinde | I wouldnt use it either | 21:34 |
| GAN800 | Meh, he knows what he's doing. | 21:35 |
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| woglinde | he qerty | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi woglinde | 21:56 |
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| Mousey | hi #maemo | 22:07 |
| woglinde | hi mousey | 22:07 |
| Mousey | anyone know where i can get a wallpaper rotater for my n810? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | cant you just grab your n8x0 and move it round? | 22:09 |
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| sp3000 | that's what I was thinking | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | but then I realized it's rotate as in change | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, there's a bug about that on the bugzilla... | 22:10 |
| oli | hm, my n800 isn't flipping image when i turn camera, is it bad? | 22:11 |
| sp3000 | which means, enable the camera and then move the device about :P | 22:11 |
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| GAN800 | ~ping | 22:11 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:11 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 22:11 |
| slonopotamus | my camera doesn't popup video call dialog | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | it did before | 22:12 |
| * oli 's cam behaves the same | 22:12 | |
| lopz | hola | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | in chinook it 100% did that. and annoyed me when i wanted just to record some video | 22:13 |
| slonopotamus | something broke? | 22:13 |
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| curious | hello. it might be offtopic question... is there any option to expand RAM in nokia n800/n810 ? | 22:15 |
| slonopotamus | curious, i think no here too ;) | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad | 22:16 |
| oli | slonopotamus: strange thing with this cam ;) | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: fell over this in an article i was reading | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | reminded me of liqbase :P | 22:17 |
| slonopotamus | oli, yep. don't know when this started (i use it very rarely) | 22:17 |
| lcuk | im grinnin from ear to ear | 22:17 |
| GAN800 | curious, serious question? :P | 22:17 |
| oli | me too, I run diablo since I've bought n800 and I remember it worked : P | 22:17 |
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| Mousey | i just meant a wallpaper changer, i guess rotater was a bad choice of words | 22:19 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ooooooooh If the user changed the master drawing, all the instances would change as well. | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | curious, dd if=/media/mmc2/.swap of=/dev/zero bs=9999999999 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap :P | 22:19 |
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| slonopotamus | swapon | 22:19 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | qwerty12_N800, those are kinda reversed | 22:20 |
| sp3000 | kinda | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | if and of | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, hehe, i don't use dd much :) | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | funny thing for non-it people, i guess | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | and maybe you don't want the entire media filled... | 22:20 |
| lcuk | holy fuck | 22:20 |
| GAN800 | Mousey, http://interfacelift.com/ | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1M count=256 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap | 22:21 |
| Mousey | GAN800, they have a wallpaper changing program for n810? | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, oh, the bs argument was intentional | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not because i'm an evil bastard but because i was j/kin | 22:21 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . | 22:21 |
| slonopotamus | can i borrow your swapon? :) hehe | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you watch the video? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | im in awe | 22:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 finally gets the swapon joke >.< | 22:22 | |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: nop | 22:23 |
| lcuk | he had to build the display himself :) | 22:23 |
| slonopotamus | anyway. curious wanted ram | 22:23 |
| lcuk | ive got a silly grin on my face | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | so like | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | could you solder more ram ontop of the cpu? | 22:24 |
| slonopotamus | solder - ? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | in-credible | 22:24 |
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| GAN800 | ShadowJK, it's not a PoP in the N8x0 | 22:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i have to write about that, its given me goosebumps | 22:26 |
| ShadowJK | GAN800, oh :( | 22:26 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, what video are you talking about | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | You might be able to source bigger chips to replace the ones on the board | 22:27 |
| lcuk | on the sketchpad page theres a picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad underneath the picture it says video | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | But, the short answer is: no, you can't upgrade the RAM. | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | the sketchpad video starts about 3 minutes in | 22:27 |
| lcuk | its some 80s college guy talking about it | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Sutherland | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | hm, that audio is a bit odd | 22:31 |
| * sp3000 wonders if a channel is inverted | 22:31 | |
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| lcuk | heh own handwriting fonts :D | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: hope it might serve as some inspiration | 22:37 |
| lcuk | heh, i tihnk im evolving at about 10 years a month | 22:38 |
| lcuk | by next year i should be in the 23rd century | 22:38 |
| ^Tux^ | if I keep eating these dominos oven baked sandwiches and drinking beer my butt's gonna be in the 23rd century in ~30m | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | Scary | 22:40 |
| ^Tux^ | pj33r my gas, jk | 22:40 |
| ^Tux^ | ;( | 22:40 |
| ^Tux^ | you're just everywhere, aren't you? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | ^Tux^: get a tablet will you, as well as me and JK :P | 22:40 |
| ^Tux^ | too lazy | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:41 |
| ^Tux^ | I have enough projects that arent complete | 22:41 |
| ^Tux^ | I cant be assed with another | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK | Sun sent you any fun gear lately? | 22:41 |
| ^Tux^ | no, havent asked for any more | 22:41 |
| ^Tux^ | I figured they'd get pissed.. "this asshole keeps trying shit and doesnt buy" | 22:42 |
| ^Tux^ | haha | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | i can has time machine? | 22:45 |
| ^Tux^ | no.. you were pushing your luck with the cheeseburger. | 22:45 |
| lcuk | damn | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | (cheese and bacon) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | im gonna stop and just port this stuff ;) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | the first one (sketchpad) needed a machine so large it had its own building! | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, sketchpad from a 30-40 year old piece of software? ;) | 22:47 |
| lcuk | its a shame, the guy said its not been seen since - it wasnt programmed so much as built | 22:48 |
| lcuk | the last machine in the US which needed its own roof! | 22:48 |
| lcuk | not exactly pocketable | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | So like, does the camera actually work for anyone? I get scary looking page allocation failures from kernel in dmesg :) | 22:49 |
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| ^Tux^ | operator error ;( | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | As if the driver was attempting to allocate a huge contigous area of physical ram | 22:49 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, liqbase uses the camera extensively | 22:49 |
| lcuk | grrrr Stskeeps you have put me off now lol | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: apologies, inspiration is a nasty thing :P | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | ok, let's try. With swap and all, there's >300M ram free | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | [245177.835937] mplayer: page allocation failure. order:7, mode:0xd1 | 22:51 |
| lcuk | its not so much inspiration but its extremely interesting - especially how much hasnt been carried through which should work intuitively | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | (I tested mplayer because I can limit it to one frame so that it doesn't bring down the system) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | order 7 is.... huge? | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/m2b502a6a | 22:53 |
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| RST38h | moo, lcuk | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | ello rstr | 23:02 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, camera works right after fresh reboot | 23:10 |
| curious | thanx | 23:10 |
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| curious | no, swap is not enough. i am considering getting n800, but amount of ram is quite scary | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | curious, it's a mobile device, not a laptop. | 23:11 |
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| curious | well, yes, but 128M ? come on | 23:11 |
| curious | i expected 810 having bit more, but seems nope | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | :/ | 23:12 |
| andrewfblack | never had any problem with only 128m ram and I run multiple things at one time | 23:12 |
| GAN800 | Name me some mobile devices from 2007 that have more. . . . | 23:12 |
| GAN800 | I'll answer that one for you: there really aren't any. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | curious: when i use my tablet, even for hardcore stuff, i usually have memory free | 23:12 |
| GAN800 | It's top-of-the-line for its day | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, 256m would be nice, but not a requirement. | 23:13 |
| curious | yes, i understand, especially ram is quite expensive thing, altrough sometimes there is just free place on board so user can expand | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | curious: try out a n800 somewhere first | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | or look at demos of it | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, an ipaq had 16mb back in its day.. | 23:13 |
| ^Tux^ | ipaq ;( | 23:14 |
| curious | ye, generally it is very cool device, one of first serious things | 23:14 |
| * ShadowJK constantly runs out of ram | 23:14 | |
| Stskeeps | and this thing is so bloody small, i wouldn't know where to put a insertable ram bloc | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:14 |
| ^Tux^ | JK: you've bastardized shit? | 23:14 |
| ^Tux^ | :P | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | (except for mmcs) | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | ^Tux^, not at all | 23:14 |
| GAN800 | andrewfblack, in the $380 range | 23:14 |
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| ^Tux^ | ShadowJK: I blame Sts | 23:15 |
| curious | well, i would not expect insertable ram expansion, more like just 256M versions or ablity to re-solder chips | 23:15 |
| ^Tux^ | :P | 23:15 |
| curious | indeed size of n800 is impressive | 23:15 |
| curious | one of reasons i consider getting one :) | 23:15 |
| andrewfblack | GAN800 What? | 23:15 |
| GAN800 | Pandora | 23:15 |
| andrewfblack | ohh thanks | 23:15 |
| curious | ok, thanx for help | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: saw a (obviously shit) shop sell n810 for 1300 usd today. heh | 23:16 |
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| andrewfblack | I figured it would be going up and up in price since they cna't seem to release it not that I'm buying on anyways | 23:16 |
| GAN800 | lol | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | i find it nice getting advertisements with nokia tablets in them, though | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | in my mailbox | 23:17 |
| ^Tux^ | 1300? wtf | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:17 |
| BULLE | i manage to run low on ram while browsing some very big news webbapges | 23:17 |
| ^Tux^ | that sucker better whipe my ass for 1300 | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | i browsed the local price comparison and i found it for 390$ | 23:17 |
| ^Tux^ | they're all over ebay here for like | 23:18 |
| ^Tux^ | 200 | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | so it was a ripoff shop by some loner guy :P | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | i choked a bit when i saw the price | 23:18 |
| ^Tux^ | NO LUBE. | 23:18 |
| BULLE | there is always time for lube! | 23:18 |
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| ^Tux^ | not when you buy a tablet for 1300 | 23:19 |
| lardman | ^Tux^: what that whip or wipe? ;) | 23:21 |
| lardman | s/what/was | 23:21 |
| ^Tux^ | whipe ;P | 23:21 |
| lardman | simultaneous I guess :) | 23:21 |
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