IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-11-28

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l7does anyone happen to know what the purpose of the small metal plate on the inside of the nokia's battery cover is?00:27
l7i'm guessing it may tell the device the battery cover is closed, but not sure00:28
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braddl7, something to do with the sdcard i guess.. when i open / close it powered on, it tells me 'memory card available'00:36
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johnxStskeeps, had you read the comment by Peter@marketing when you asked about clutter a while ago?00:40
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lcuk:'( some guy demoing omap2 running 3d software its so sad we havent got it running yet00:41
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lcukthe omap3 looks nice though, much more capable00:41
johnxno need for that "yet"00:41
woglindehe johny00:42
woglindeand lcuk00:42
lcukhiya woglinde, hows tricks00:43
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woglindehm dont know why the ssh folks using aclocal.m4 instead of copy it to m4/openssh.m400:43
woglindebut that was easy to fix for now00:44
l7bradd: yeah, i was wondering if it completes a circuit that tells the tablet that the lid is on00:44
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l7or maybe it's just there to cushion the SD card somehow, though that seems less likely00:44
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johnxthere's a little magnet that acts as the lid sensor00:45
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l7oh, where is this magnet?00:45
GuySofthey, is there a way to "mute" the nokia's led? its annoying..00:47
Ro9u3oRwhats the correct image to download if you are trying to upgrade your os on the n80000:47
Ro9u3oRim at the site now and there are a few to chose from00:48
lcukthe latest date00:49
Ro9u3oRdo i download that to the sdcard?00:50
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l7hrm, maybe moving a n800 too close to a demagnetizer would be bad00:52
lcukRo9u3oR, i dunno, i use the windows flasher00:52
l7if it demagnetized the magnet for the rear battery door00:53
Ro9u3oRim working from a windows machine00:53
Ro9u3oRthink you can walk me thru it00:53
lcuki could barely walk myself through it last time i tried00:54
Ro9u3oRthanks anyway00:55
Ro9u3oRgood start00:56
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Ro9u3oRhope this upgrade works01:30
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Ro9u3oRso far so good01:34
Ro9u3oRi think01:35
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Ro9u3oRim trying to upgrade my device anyone think they can help01:41
Ro9u3oRfirst attemp01:42
infobotflashing is, like,
Naviinfobot: I love you01:42
infobotYou love you?01:42
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Ro9u3oRok it worked01:43
Ro9u3oRthanks guys01:43
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ro9u3oRhow do you launch downloaded apps on the n800 running os200802:33
Navigo to the meny02:33
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ro9u3oRthere not listed in the menu02:35
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johnxwhat did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from?02:37
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Navijohnx: luls, you asked about gc-linux in #wiili02:39
johnxNavi, the sf project for the linux kernel for the wii is called gc-linux :)02:39
Navijohnx: Yes, and that's the only project fer Linux on the Wii, at the moment02:40
Navibut that what gets me is the irony02:40
johnxor was it because #wiili is more for the wiimote stuff than the linux-on-wii stuff?02:40
NaviThat was the first Wii-linux-related thing in #wiili for months02:40
Ro9u3oRhow can i run down loaded apps02:40
johnxRo9u3oR, <johnx> what did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from?02:41
NaviIf you want answers, you should visit gc-linux's channel on efnet02:41
NaviWiiLi is just there for the owner to make ad money02:41
johnxgah, more IRC channels :/02:41
johnxand why are you there? O_o02:42
NaviTo tell people the truth02:42
Naviand troll02:42
Navimostly trolling02:42
johnxBTW, #gc-linux is a channel with just me :) I guess that's a pretty good answer02:42
johnxtime to shoehorn a dev env onto my wii once other people stop using it :P02:42
Navisorry, #gc-linux on irc.oftc.net02:43
Navibluetooth networking should be as straightforward on the wii as it is on a normal Linux desktop02:43
johnxexcept I'm missing bnep.ko02:43
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Naviwhich means, it:P02:45
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pupnikmytube is neat.  can i has for linux pc?02:59
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poppabearis there an irc app for os2008 yet ?03:50
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poppabearirc app - irc client whatever you want to call it :P03:50
johnxxchat and irssi are available03:51
johnxxchat is in extras03:51
johnxand xchat has been out for quite a while :)03:52
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poppabeari don't have the tablet yet ... was thinking of buying it but an important feature i would need is the ability to chat via irc03:54
johnxwell, it's definitely there :)03:55
johnxxchat, irssi, pidgin, and even the built in chat client can kind of do it03:55
poppabearis the N810 a good device for the price ?03:56
johnxdepends on what you want to do, but overall yes03:56
johnxI have an N800 though :)03:56
poppabearwell, i mean my main concern is the fact that i would be mainly using it at work but they don't have wifi in the area so i'm not sure if i could connect to the internet without wifi or anything ..... any suggestions as far as that goes03:58
johnxyou could use bluetooth to tether it to a cell phone03:59
johnxin that case you would need a phone that has bluetooth and a data plan for it03:59
poppabeari have the sidekick slide from t-mobile that has internet and bluetooth so that might just work04:00
johnxout of curiosity, is there an IRC app for the sidekick?04:01
johnxyou do need to make sure that your sidekick supports "Bluetooth DUN (dial up networking)" or "Bluetooth PAN (Personal Area Network)"04:03
poppabearnot sure i will have to check on that but as far as IRC on the sidekick i was able to develop a client to work on it, however it was a qwik development and could use some enhancements :P04:05
poppabearwhen its debugged and running a little faster and more effeciant then i will submit it to Danger and see if they approve it as part of there application list, but i haven't really messed with it in some time04:06
johnxfrom a quick search it looks like the sidekick side doesn't support those bluetooth profiles04:07
poppabearwith the Danger OS there isn't much you can do with it, all applications are developed under the Java Platform04:08
poppabearmy strong development skills are in shel based OS's and Windows based OS's04:08
johnxyeah, that closed OS always turned me off the sidekick04:09
poppabeari'm not real strong in Java "yet"04:09
johnxthe hardware looked really nice though04:09
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poppabearits ok ..... i'm not a big fan of it myself but hell it was free to me :P04:09
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poppabearit would be awsome if the Nokia devices could have a internet service you could signup with and be connected constantly ...... without having to be tied into a cell phone provider04:11
johnxwell there is a wimax version04:12
poppabearmuch more expensive ?04:12
johnxof course :)04:12
johnxand the next one will have a builtin 3G modem04:12
johnxthe wimax version is $450, but most places don't have wimax yet04:12
poppabear3g is soooo overloaded though04:12
poppabearwimax is in Baltimore only isn't it04:13
johnxyeah, and DC is in trials04:13
johnxthey'll be more places later of course04:13
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poppabearse thats really the only thing right now stopping me from "checking out" :P04:15
poppabearan internet tablet is useless without internet :P04:16
johnxactually, I tend to use mine offline quite a bit04:16
johnxreading RSS feeds, reading books, taking notes, etc04:16
poppabearmy main use would eb online tho04:16
GAN800Music, movies, podcasts, ebooks, games, emulators.04:16
johnxyeah, and if you have no inet access at all with it, it's a pain to install apps04:16
poppabeari agree with that, but useless to me knowing what i need it for04:16
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poppabeardoes it have a Terminal that you can use to create shell scripts and be able to run them ect ...... ?04:18
johnxof course04:19
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poppabearis it like a full functional (without restrictions) Linux OS ?04:20
johnxwell it's fully open, if that's what you mean04:21
johnxit has busybox instead of coreutils/bsdutils/bash04:21
poppabearit doesn't have bash shell ?04:21
johnxyou can install it as a user shell if you need it04:21
johnxbut the main shell used is ash04:22
poppabeari don't alot of my shell scripting in Bash04:22
poppabeari do "04:22
johnxif you stay sh compatible you're fine, if you need bash, install it04:22
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joyiouslcuk: Hi04:29
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poppabearhow do you guys feel about Palm Powered devices ?05:13
johnxI really like them for PIM05:13
johnxawful for web browsing05:13
johnxand the OS is pretty old and creaky. Ask anyone how fun it is to program for :)05:13
johnxfor a phone, might actually be pretty nice05:15
Macerahhhhhh... good sex :)05:17
* Macer goes to take a shower.. smoke a cigarette.. eat some food... and sleep05:17
Macertalk about a perfect day05:17
poppabearwas thinking something like this
johnxMacer, pretty funny how you've been on IRC the whole time ...05:18
johnxpoppabear, you won't find many people here who have something nice to say about winmo :)05:19
poppabearreally ... :P05:19
ShadowJKI bet it's less frustrating to develop for than symbian05:26
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poppabearnight guys05:37
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Ro9u3oRhey, i installed usbcontrol to my n800 and cant locate the program  now on the device05:48
johnxit's in the extras menu :)05:48
Ro9u3oRnot there, could it be a bad install05:49
johnxdoes it show up as installed in application manager05:49
johnxhow did you install it?05:50
Ro9u3oRdownloaded it from maemo org onto my sd05:50
johnxthen you installed it with application manager?05:51
johnxand the install went fine?05:53
Ro9u3oRi thought so05:53
johnxtry installing directly from application manager. go to available applications and just select usbcontrol from that list05:55
Ro9u3oRwhen i went thru app installl there werent to many apps05:56
johnxadd this first:05:57
infoboti guess extras is
johnxjust add extras for now, not extras-devel05:57
Ro9u3oRjust extras05:57
johnxso basically just open that page in the browser on your tablet and click on the link on that page :)05:58
Ro9u3oRill give it a shot05:58
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Ro9u3oRwhats the link o download extras for n800 os200806:45
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johnxah, nm07:15
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kulveapp.mgr has an option called "Ignore packages from wrong domain". What's a "wrong domain"?08:12
AStormany idea how to nicely chain immc with the / flash?08:14
AStormbecause installing system on a card with n810 is a no-no08:14
AStormI could install on immc though...08:14
AStormjust ran out of space08:15
AStormtrying to install fennec... too many apps I guess, esp. qt408:15
kulvecopy the whole maemo rootfs to mmc?08:17
kulveor why is it a "no-no"?08:17
AStormimmc is ok08:18
AStormemmc is not08:18
* Stskeeps yawns08:18
kulvewith "e" you mean external?08:18
AStormthough immc can't use jffs208:18
kulvewhy isn't it ok?08:18
AStormbecause I like to swap cards08:18
kulveoh, that's a good reason :)08:18
kulveI though you meant there's some technical issue..08:19
AStormso, the trick is that compression gives a lot on mmc08:19
AStormand I have no compressed fs on radar08:19
AStorm(see, it's only 5 Mbit)08:20
johnx"wrong domain" is probably referring to upgrades the come from a different repo than the original package08:20
kulvejohnx: I uploaded the package to the extras-devel and I'm now trying to install it from there. Before that I removed the old version from command line with dpkg..08:21
johnxI really don't know08:21
johnxapp mgr is ... special08:21
kulvewith apt-get it would get installed just fine. And the "Section" is user/multimedia08:21
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AStormhmm, nobody can recommend a nice compressed fs for mmc?08:26
AStorm(for uncompressed, I can just grab btrfs)08:27
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Stskeepsmorn johnx08:29
AStormreiser4 is out (is buggy, loses files, etc)08:29
Stskeepslike its author08:30
johnxhey Stskeeps :)08:30
AStormHans is out? guess i'm old news08:30
Stskeepstrue, not out:P08:31
Stskeepsjohnx: saw the mer blueprint appendixes?08:31
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Stskeepsjohnx: also quims post was a  lot more interesting - alpha sdk for platform developers08:35
Stskeepsnot power/general users08:36
Stskeepsand 100% oss08:36
johnxyeah, but I'm more worried about n8x0 / armv5 / anything without 3d compatibility now08:37
Stskeepsyeah obviously08:37
Stskeepsbut then again there were religious 770 users on the inside (HE)08:38
johnxI guess I pinned too many of my hopes on maemo :/08:39
Stskeepsnext clutter theory - wm, they were dubious about full screen switches08:41
AStormindeed, ui is cluttered08:42
AStorminstead, give us a main menu button08:42
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Stskeepsponder if zoomable ui is integrated..08:42
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AStormalso, 960x560 screen would be nice and should fit in current form factor08:50
AStormthough then I dont know how where they would place the camera (which is fairly useless now)08:51
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AStormmaybe foldable one08:52
AStormI'm sure such a fine company would solve this problem08:52
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hahlobitany information who and when they hire that debmaster?08:54
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joyiousHi, how can i access the other frame buffer plane? such as /dev/fb109:11
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AStormthere is one?09:13
AStormah, you mean the otherö, internal TI fb?09:14
AStormit's not hooked up to display afaicr09:14
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joyiousAStorm: So there is no overlay support ?09:17
AStormuse xv?09:18
AStormno idea really09:18
AStormask someone else, like johnx09:18
joyiousAStorm:I'm using directfb, not X09:18
AStormdirectfb has its own overlaying and compositing...09:19
AStormso why do you even try to access other fb device09:19
joyiousAStorm:But there is no omap overlay driver there09:19
AStormI think omapfb mplayer driver code might be enlightening09:20
joyiousAStorm: actually I just want to play some video and draw some UI on top of it09:20
joyiousAStorm: this is what johnx suggest me to check09:20
AStormnot sure if that is possible in hardware09:20
AStormthe driver does support partial updates I think09:21
AStormanother thing is to check kernel fb driver for what it supports09:21
joyiousAStorm: it does support partial update in one plane09:21
AStormwhich is enough to do overlaying in software :)09:22
joyiousAStorm: But i need 2 plane, video is YUV and UI is RGB09:22
AStormah right09:23
AStormyou'd have to convert09:23
joyiousAStorm: And also I wonder if there is some blending09:23
AStormno idea if multiple planes are supportes09:23
AStormI haven't seen any blending support in the driver... but I might have missed it09:24
joyiousAStorm: I searched on the internet, someone are discuss this here09:24
joyiousAStorm:it says the n810 got 3 planes, but I got no way to use it09:25
AStormdirectly, yes09:25
AStormbecause stupid epson chip buffer is weird09:25
joyiousAStorm: I know nothing about the epson chip09:26
AStormmight be possible using DMA or some other hack09:26
AStormthe fb driver doesn't support that, but mplayer omapfb might09:27
joyiousAStorm:I check the mplayer source, it just use /dev/fb0 and partially update the screen09:28
AStormat worst, just convert in software using dsp09:28
AStormyes, mplayer doesn't have to overlay09:28
AStormit mixes in software09:28
AStormthough DSP->fb transfer is tricky09:29
joyiousbut mplayer do have some OSD menus there09:29
joyiousI dont know how they do it09:29
AStormin software09:29
AStormthey output correct rgb, yuv, whatnot09:30
AStormfor simple menu, it works well enough09:31
joyiousand also some transpaency between those09:32
AStormsimple mixing09:33
AStormit does use the dsp for some of this (esp. yuv<->rgb conversion)09:34
joyiousI check the vo code, it use omapfb and just put yuv data to fb09:35
AStormcheck other parts of mplayer code09:35
AStormfor conversion assembler09:35
joyiousso you mean before the vo, it already mix the menu with videos?09:35
joyiousthat conversion is just from YV12 to omap's YUV42009:36
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AStormso you have to write one for rgb to yuv42009:39
joyiouswhy ?09:39
AStorm... see, no overlay for you09:40
AStormunless you figure out how to do it09:40
AStormthen I'd be grateful if you write a good doc09:40
joyiousactually now I can update the whole screen with YUV420 data and then partial with RGB data for UI09:41
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AStormthat won't work09:45
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AStormunless you convert rgb to yuv42009:45
joyiousbut they are accessing the same framebuffer, so some side effect09:46
joyiousIt works, just to tell the device what format is the update window09:46
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AStormreally it does?09:49
AStormstill, unless you're updating rectangles only, opaque09:49
AStormyou will have to convert some parts09:50
joyiousthe problem is UI and video output are updating the screen seperately09:50
joyiousYes, just some rectangle09:52
Macerjohnx - were you watching the txt video stream or something? :)09:52
Macerjust because i am on irc doesn't mean i'm on irc09:52
AStormMacer: /away is your friend09:53
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JaffaMorning, all10:23
Macersamurai girl is hot10:26
Stskeepsmorn Macer, Jaffa10:26
Maceri'm watching samurai girl10:27
Macerit's come to this10:27
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Macerwhattodo whattodo10:35
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X-FadeLet's see if GA awakes from his turkey induced coma ;)10:41
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johnxanother several hours yet I think :)10:46
Stskeepsjohnx: sapwood change log had a notice about memory corruption btw10:47
Stskeepslike, quite recently10:47
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X-FadeStskeeps: I especially like the FIXMEs in that code ;)10:51
Stskeepshehe, it's always comforting maemo isn't running nuclear facilities..10:51
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X-FadeCan somebody login on the wiki and see if they get a captcha after you hit save? (Should not be)11:02
X-FadeYou'd have to edit an article.11:02
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aquatixlcuk: sorry, am around now again11:06
aquatixmorning all btw :)11:06
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RST38hmoo all11:20
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aquatixhey RST38h11:21
johnxm00f RST38h :)11:21
RST38hAnyone planning to track down Mara and torture the pretty n900 pictures out of him/her? =)11:22
X-FadeRST38h: Book a flight to .fi ;)11:23
RST38hX-Fade: Sending the evil minions!11:24
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hahlobithere is cold.11:26
hahlobitbetter fly to .br11:26
johnx12C here. what about where other people are?11:27
RST38hWill be -3 before long11:27
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X-Fade2.6C here (NL)11:27
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johnxwell, looks like I got the better end of the deal :) ... except that I do enjoy snow11:30
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: check jaiku, there is wrong repo in maemo wiki11:33
Meiz_n810is it is for armel :)11:34
StskeepsMeiz_n810: no, it is actually entirely correct - those are developer tools for i38611:35
Stskeepsfor installation on a linux PC11:35
Stskeepsfor testing if your package compiles first :)11:36
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RST38hjohnx: yours is probably more humid though11:44
johnxwell yeah, but not right now11:45
johnxit's pretty awful in the summer though11:45
aquatixX-Fade: meh, it's 3.7C here :(11:46
aquatixbut it seems it's getting lower11:46
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X-Fadeaquatix: Cold south here ;)11:46
aquatixah :)11:47
* aquatix lives near the Northsea, so that doesn't help getting it cold here11:47
X-FadeI don't mind the cold, but I hate these fully grey skies.11:47
X-FadeCold + blue sky + sun is a lot more friendly to the eye :)11:47
* aquatix loves a freezing day with blue sky and sun11:48
johnxI used to live in Seattle. It was like that from the beginning of fall into late spring11:48
aquatixmaybe add in some snow here and there11:48
johnx(overcast I mean)11:48
X-Fadejohnx: Yeah, overcast sucks..11:48
aquatixit's so damn gloomy11:49
* RST38h got used to gray skies11:49
aquatixRST38h: :)11:49
RST38hIt is funny how all city photos are made in the night during November-March period though11:50
aquatixX-Fade: <- at this rate it will be freezing by evening :)11:50
X-FadeWell at least it isn't dark until 10am and goes dark again at 3pm here ;)11:50
aquatixRST38h: ah?11:50
johnxRST38h, and all photos of Seattle are made in the Summer :)11:50
aquatixX-Fade: well, it only is dark until 9am and goes dark at 4pm ;)11:50
X-Fadeaquatix: Yeah, like I said. At least ...11:51
RST38haquatix: During the night, this place is illuminated and looks pretty much like klingon capital11:51
aquatixhm, shall i turn up the heat a bit or shall i run some demanding app on my pc...11:51
aquatixX-Fade: :)11:51
RST38haquatix: During the day it is uniform gray though11:51
aquatixRST38h: heh :)11:51
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aquatixRST38h: yeah, that 360-view was yours right?11:52
Stskeepsaquatix: my office is entirely heated by the 2 servers, atom board, tv and screens, and a beagleboard11:52
RST38haquatix: Nope, somebody else made it11:52
aquatixRST38h: fair enough, but at least your city :)11:52
aquatixStskeeps: i'm glad i don't have servers in this room11:52
aquatixonly me, my workstation and my huge-ish tft11:53
RST38haquatix: more stuff here: (do check the archive)11:53
* aquatix clicks11:53
aquatixooh, nice11:53
aquatix <- whoa11:54
aquatixthat's almost spooky11:54
X-FadeVery cool photo.11:54
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RST38hThat is postprocessing11:55
aquatixRST38h: is that tower on the background the wannabe highest of europe?
RST38haquatix: Nope. The highest one has not been started yet and they seem to have suspended the plans11:55
aquatixyeah, read about that11:55
RST38hthis one is still pretty high though11:55
aquatixthought they already where building it11:55
aquatixheh, yeah, that's why i asked11:56
RST38hyes, the base is there11:56
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chrisak-When setting up cell phone operator, if selected country shows no service providers does that mean i'm outta luck?12:29
RST38hno it just means you will have to configure manually12:31
hahlobitno i don't think so. my operator didn't show either.12:33
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hahlobityou can set them by hand if you know access points and such.12:36
chrisak-ok thanks :) i'll keep at it then. Thailand and Cambodia both had lists of local mobile providers but Vietnam lists none12:38
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mmm_baconom nom nom12:50
mmm_baconhiya simon12:50
lardmanhi Gary :D12:50
Gary:'(  hilights ftl12:51
RST38hmoo, lardman12:51
lardmanGary: sorry!12:51
* mmm_bacon feels like crap, if anyone wants me ill probably answer later12:52
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lardmanmmm_bacon: I don't need to want you ill, you already are ;)12:53
mmm_baconbleugh, this is very interesting by the way: movial omap3 in tablet form factor
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mmm_baconlardman i can barely focus on anything :( i left windows closed all night and heating on12:55
GAN800X-Fade, right about now. ;)12:56
lardmanmmm_bacon: carbon monoxide poisioning?12:57
mmm_baconmore like methane12:57
X-FadeGAN800: No too bad ;)12:57
lardmanbeans too hey?12:57
* mmm_bacon blames the cheese n bean jacket potato12:57
GAN800I hit the bed so hard after we got home last night. <_<12:57
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lardmanGAN800: where were you out too?12:59
GAN800Friends place for Thanksgiving12:59
GAN80026lbs turkey12:59
lardmanah, turkey population halved? ;)12:59
lardmanbloody hell, what were they feeding it?12:59
* GAN800 sees the stupid Fremantle thread exploded.12:59
lardmanlead shot?13:00
GAN800Hormones, clearly.13:00
aquatixthose damn geeks13:01
mmm_baconlardman, have you seen that video ^^13:02
X-Fademmm_bacon: The part where they scroll is pretty bad.13:03
mmm_baconit made me smile :)13:03
GAN800I really hope these assholes don't totally screw up the bugzilla process.13:03
* lardman has no sound on work pc13:04
* lardman wonders how the n810 will handle all new widescreen YouTube13:04
mmm_baconyou dont need sound to see the smooth scrolling effects13:04
* mmm_bacon wonders whats wrong with it13:04
mmm_baconanyway, back to bed for me13:05
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* GAN800 sighs.13:06
Stskeepsmorning GAN80013:06
Stskeepsgood turkey?13:06
GAN800Yeah, it was all excellent13:06
GAN800Had a slice of keylime and a slice of pumpkin for dessert.13:07
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Jaffalardman: shiny!13:22
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lardmanJaffa: I think it's actually faster playing through flash than it was on the original machines :)13:32
lardmanwhich is not to compliment flash in any way of course!13:32
GAN800lol newgrounds13:32
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* GAN800 played that regularly in middle school.13:33
* qwerty12 is more of a miniclip fan13:33
lardmanWorms or bomberman, man needs nothing else13:35
lardmanthough now that fps do coop mode, I'm tempted to resurrect afternoon gaming in the office ;)13:36
GAN800I've hardly played a recent FPS not in coop13:36
GAN800This is what we should have. :((13:37
lardmanWe used to play a few years back, when Doom3 first came out - not much had coop mode then13:37
lardmanyeah, we'll have to find out about driver support or not13:38
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qwerty12Oh god, now I want a E90 soo badly13:38
GAN800You should want drivers more. :P13:38
lardman looks promising for late evening coop play (in deserted uni, with headsets to talk as we're all in different offices)13:38
qwerty12GAN800, Call me a pessimist but I've come to the conclusion that we won't be seeing drivers anytime soon :)13:39
GAN800Maybe the dreams of an innocent (ha!) child will bring them for us. :P13:40
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GAN800How did 'Freemantle' become such a popular misspelling? :/13:40
Stskeepsfree willy?13:41
JaffaCos people are thick, like, innit13:41
qwerty12Since people like to rant without knowing the background behind a decision :/13:41
qwerty12Jaffa, Ooh, nearly passed as a Vicky Pollard13:42
lardmaneasy mis-type though, I automatically type two ees13:43
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GAN800widescreen YouTube aint so good fir13:43
GAN800the tablets.13:43
dystopiawhy won't we get the linux security patches13:44
Stskeepsyou want to lock down your tablet like fort knox? :P13:44
dystopialike Fristaden Christiania ;-)13:45
GAN800Feel free to help out with the stlc45xx13:46
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dystopiaor backport hmm13:47
guardianis there a known release date for the N900 ?13:47
Stskeepsdystopia: .. that's about how open tablet is already13:47
lardmanguardian: no13:47
GAN800Best guess is Summer 200913:48
guardianok it's in a while then13:48
lardmanFrom the comments on ITT there are prototypes around though, i wonder if people have been checking the browser id strings lately....?13:48
GAN800Hehe, I doubt they're at that point quite yet13:49
GAN800Bug Reggie about it. ;)13:49
StskeepsGAN800: saw Mara's comment? :P13:49
lardmanI don't know, my original impression was that they were fairly well advanced13:49
lardmanor X-Fade ;)13:50
GAN800Stskeeps, er, about them browsing with them not about there being prototypes.13:50
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* lardman wonders why Outlook is so crap13:52
GAN800It's MS duh13:52
GAN800Showed the tablet to an iPod guy last night. He about died when I started playing When We Left Earth from the DVR at home with the HAVA.13:54
lardmanGAN800: so true13:55
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GAN800It's interesting to see what hits home with different people13:57
GAN800Some really dig media playback, others love the browser13:57
Stskeeps"There's nothing conceptually different between my laptop running Debian and my N800 running, for all practical purposes, a Debian derivative. "13:58
Stskeepsthat's so wrong..13:58
Stskeepsthere's tonnes of differences in how you deal with a ultramobile syste13:58
lardmannot that I can comment as I've not submitted patches, but the browser really is too slow still13:58
GAN800You show one person liqbase and they're totally non-reactive, but the next will frek13:58
infobotGAN800 meant: You show one person liqbase and they're totally non-reactive, but the next will freak13:59
GAN800lardman, but compared to a crap cellphone browser or Palm?13:59
GAN800Stskeeps, please feel free to correct them. :P14:00
lardmanGAN800: yeah no idea, I use neither14:00
GAN800lardman, really, honestly, the tablets offer some of the best mobile browsing around.14:00
GAN800You'd be amazed at what some people are using.14:00
lardmanI'd still prefer to wait and boot my pc14:01
lardmanor use my gf's ipod touch14:01
GAN800It's not laptop fast, but it's damn better than almost anything else in the class.14:01
GAN800But, again, it's interesting to see what people react to.14:01
lardmanI agree, with you, it;s just that it needs to be sufficiently fast to not make me boot the pc in preference14:02
GAN800iPod Touch over N810? urgh14:02
StskeepsGAN800: i will, when i'm done with work :P14:02
lardmanit's not even the speed for me, it's the bloody lock-ups and random scrolling behaviour14:02
GAN800Why would you even turn off your computer?14:02
lardmanspeed-wise it's fine14:02
StskeepsGAN800: making a Mer image for a intel atom board :P14:02
lardmanGAN800: expensive bills over here14:02
GAN800turn off js and flash14:02
GAN800it'll flj14:02
infobotGAN800 meant: it'll fly14:03
lardmanstuff like itt is still painful14:03
lardmanimage loading is slow14:03
GAN800lol, Modest and IM notifications messing up my thumb typing.14:03
GAN800lardman, minimalist.14:03
lardmanyeah, there are ways14:03
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lardmanhmm, shame the itt site doesn't automatically give us the low bandwidth version from the browser id14:09
qwerty12lardman, if you haven't already done changed the theme,
GAN800lardman, give it time. :p14:09
* Jaffa finds most browsing slightly too painful on an N810, unless I'm stuck, or doing something very specific.14:10
lardmanqwerty12: thanks14:11
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lardmanJaffa: yeah, it's ok if you've got something bookmarked to work in low-fi mode, but just general browsing is too clonky14:12
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GAN800Who'da thunk it'd take 3 days to fill 30,000 gallons from a hose. . . .14:20
JaffaSomeone with a calculator who knew the water flow rate? ;-)14:20
GAN800Say hello to the $500 water bill14:22
GAN800Though, interestingly, you can get them to bill you the average of your last three instead if you get a letter from the pool company saying they had to fix a leak.14:23
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aquatixGAN800: ... you have a pool?14:24
GAN800At my parents house. ;)14:26
GAN800We just had our 50-year-old pool resurfaced.14:26
aquatixah cool14:26
johnxso you got rid of the 50-year-old water as well?14:26
aquatixmeh, now i've just raised the specs of my next house to include a pool as well ;)14:27
* aquatix dreams on14:27
GAN800They can't resurface it wet. . . .14:27
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Speedy2Hey all.  Does anyone here use the Access Palm Emulator on their n810?  I'm wondering about the performance.14:29
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johnxhi Speedy2. yeah I tried it a while back. it seems pretty fast14:31
Speedy2johnx: Which device do you have, n810?14:33
Speedy2Just curious, what apps did you try out?14:33
johnxjust the included ones, memo, datebook, etc14:34
Speedy2Thanks :)14:35
johnxfor graphics heavy stuff it gets slower14:35
Speedy2Hrm.  I had the crazy idea of running TomTom on it14:35
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johnxwould be interesting, give it a shot :)14:35
Speedy2I don't have any Nokia tablets :/14:36
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* slonopotamus tried to order beagleboard, but got 'us export regulations' reject15:45
qwerty12Ouch. That's fucked up :(15:45
Stskeepswow, harsh :P15:45
Stskeepswhere are you?15:46
Stskeeps.. ah15:46
qwerty12You may use the beagleboards  to launch a planned missile strike on the US :D :P15:46
Stskeepsi didn't know russia had us export regulations on eletronics :P15:46
Stskeepsbut with the DSP you can make missiles.. :P15:47
slonopotamuswhy it's ok for n8x0 but not for beagleboard?15:47
Stskeepsthat's a very good question15:47
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slonopotamusah. nokia is in finland15:47
Stskeepsone is exported from US, the other asia? :P15:47
Meiz_n810My n810 is "made in Finland"15:47
slonopotamussomewhere in europe15:47
slonopotamusand mine15:48
Meiz_n810all the parts are from china, but at least it is put together here =P15:48
fiferboyqwerty12: Glad the patch worked15:48
slonopotamusso i'll have to use n8x0 for missile strike.15:49
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qwerty12fiferboy, Yep, I'm about to send another version to the autobuilder (using quilt so people can see the changes easier!) :)15:49
qwerty12I really want to start work on trying to fix 1.40 :(15:49
Stskeepsi wonder if there's anywhere nokia puts source packages for the stuff in tags/15:49
fiferboyWhat was the uPNP problem in 1.40?15:49
qwerty12fiferboy, Seems to be broken, it won't connect to the router and forward ports. I even tried using the upnp code from 1.34 slotted into 1.40 and it still wouldn't work :/15:50
fiferboyStrange.  Have you heard whether this is a problem on the desktop too?  Or does it seem to be tablet specific?15:51
qwerty12Tablet specific from what I can tell because 1.40 on the desktop forwards ports fine :/15:51
fiferboyEven stranger.15:51
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fiferboyqwerty12: When is transmission going to the auto-builder?16:23
qwerty12fiferboy, already been sent :)16:23
qwerty12It's already built afaik16:23
qwerty12just waiting for the debs to slide over to extras-devel...16:23
fiferboyAh, but not promted.  Gotcha16:24
qwerty12I forgot to change the Maemo-Upgrade-Description. Ah well :P16:24
fiferboyThere's always something16:26
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qwerty12Grr, it's being slow. I'm still waiting for transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2_armel.deb to be transferred to extras-devel :/16:27
fiferboyThat does seem slower than usual.  Maybe the servers are full from Amerian Thanksgiving dinner16:28
aquatixServer error: stuffed16:29
qwerty12Maybe mikkov is making it scream with the boost builds :P16:29
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fiferboyAlthough nothing shows in the autobuilder queue16:29
qwerty12There we go!
qwerty12Be nice if i386 builds could be disabled... I don't see the point in a i386 build of transmission...16:30
fiferboymikkov said something about building boost serialization for just armel16:30
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fiferboyMaybe if you speify the architecture in the control file?16:31
qwerty12Yeah, I saw the log, dh_pythonsomething messed up on serialisation :/16:31
fiferboyIt would be nice if we had a debian packaging master to tell us things like this16:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: it's a good way to see if things screw up horridly before getting the big machinery out16:31
johnxthe little machinery?16:31
qwerty12Stskeeps, I *never* use the DIABLO_I386 target in my sbox :P16:32
Stskeepsjohnx: well, ok, in my language it is like the expression "big guns" :P16:32
fiferboyqwerty12: i386 is good for memory testing, because some of the tools don't work in armel in sb16:32
Stskeepswow, nokia's sure taking a beating on OS practices atm16:32
qwerty12fiferboy, ah... good point16:33
johnxStskeeps, right, I get what you mean. I was just having fun cause an ARM board is really the smaller machine :)16:33
Stskeepsthat's a lot of dislike in those threads O_o16:33
johnxyou weren't here for the 770 -> N800 transition, were you?16:33
Stskeepsit must have been even worse16:33
johnxpeople don't like being told "your product isn't supported anymore, go spend $400+ on a new one"16:34
Stskeepswhich is why it could be a benefit for nokia to seperate the HW and the SW :P16:35
fiferboyI stopped reading that thread16:35
johnxStskeeps, and sell the SW separately? or commit to free updates for x years?16:35
johnxat the end of the day Nokia is *selling* *hardware*16:36
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Stskeepsjohnx: well, system base should be OSS obviously.. and providing drivers like vendors do (wifi firmware, etc), .. and then sell some of their SW bundled with HW16:37
Stskeepson their own basis16:37
Stskeepsalong those lines16:37
Stskeepsif their new SW requires new HW, so it does16:37
qwerty12I wish dannym would fix the dependencies on his unzip-fm in extras-devel. I was looking at the code, seems really useful :(16:37
Stskeepsrest of OS shouldn't have to be touched for it16:37
Stskeepsjohnx: i'm working on the hildon-theme- packages btw16:37
Stskeepsand getting them branched and uploaded16:37
johnxah, sounds good, I'm doing a quick compile of hildon-desktop to see if the memory corruption fix solves my problem16:38
Stskeepsfor sapwood?16:38
johnxI guess I should just use one of the sapwood demos, huh?16:38
johnx<- duh16:38
Stskeepsthere's sapwood demos? :P16:39
Stskeeps(didn't knwo that)16:39
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fiferboyqwerty12: Wow, you fix more than just adding my patch in this version16:39
fiferboyI was expecting a minor release16:40
qwerty12Heh, it is really, just mainly to fix the things I forgot to hildonize :)16:40
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johnxwell there were :/16:40
johnxnope, top level of the source under "demos"16:41
infobotjohnx meant: yup, top level of the source under "demos"16:42
RST38hqwerty: The packaging seems to be an attempt to simulate iPhone16:45
aquatixlooks... wanted16:45
Stskeeps"The sources of the Maemo platform and related Nokia developed open source applications are available at (planned) "16:45
Stskeepsthat's interesting16:45
RST38hWell, with 120 units only and the locals looking for a new status gadget, you can't go wrong16:46
* johnx 's brain explodes from too man scms16:46
qwerty12RST38h, Yeah, but imo, a lot of these new touch screen phones without a keypad/little amount of buttons come off as iphone clones to me16:46
* Stskeeps is unsure what he thinks of launchpad so far16:46
Stskeepsso far it is just a bzr hosting service, and not a directly good one at it16:46
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RST38hqwerty: And such they are.16:46
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RST38hqwerty: But who gives a damn? Let us all thank Steve for pinching phone industry in the butt16:47
johnxI kind of like having buttons on my phone...16:47
qwerty12Finland are selling it for €38916:47
* RST38h does not care for buttons as long as whatever replaces them is usable16:48
johnxcan't use it without staring at it = not usable16:48
RST38hjohnx: a displayed button won't do?16:51
johnxI rely on tactile feedback so that I don't have to constantly look at my phone while typing on it16:52
RST38hjohnx: a beeping or clicking on vibrating displayed button won't do either?16:52
johnxwill I be able to find it with my thumb *before* clicking/activating it?16:53
RST38hqwerty: The price was 15000RUR ($545) and the 50 initial units were gone in 44 minutes. No advertising, no notice, nothing16:53
johnxThis isn't the "did I hit it" question, it's the "Where is it?" question16:53
woglindeups hi16:54
qwerty12RST38h, hehe16:54
qwerty12hi woglinde16:54
* RST38h smiles evilly and suggest making slight bumps at the screen surface where buttons will be shown16:54
johnxor just leave the *$&%ing keypad alone16:54
johnxsee, wasn't that easier? :)16:55
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RST38hjohnx: I want my datapad.16:55
johnxisn't there an apple store near you? :>16:55
RST38hThankfully, no16:55
johnxI still wonder about all the hate for the iphone16:56
RST38hIt is not the iphone, it is the users16:56
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RST38hLike one aquaintance of mine put it, "gays and whores"16:56
johnxah, if I had to avoid products 'cause dumb people used them I'd be bare naked out in the street16:57
johnx"dumb people live in apartments and houses, so I can't"16:57
RST38hAnd people in general either hate those or at least do not want to be mixed with them16:57
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johnxI saw a dumb guy wearing a shirt once...16:57
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RST38hjohnx: What you cite is really a counterargument used by apple nutcases16:58
johnxso basically people hate it because it's successful, and some geeks dislike it because of Apple's draconian "app store" policies16:58
RST38hjohnx: pretty simple one too - "you are either a looser or a nerd and I am a normal guy"16:59
johnxsorry, I don't buy into this hating things because of their users16:59
RST38hjohnx: Well, have you actually talked to any hardcore apple adepts?16:59
RST38hAnd you are still not buying it?17:00
johnxwell, define "hardcore"17:00
RST38hHardcore: Owns iPod, iPhone, iMac, and eager to tell everyone about it17:00
johnxI used to work at a place where all the computers were Apple, but it was for technical reasons, so I guess that doesn't count17:00
RST38hit does not17:00
RST38hLots of US .edu sites were stocked with Macs in the 90s17:01
RST38hApple had edu discounts and the lab setup was easy (unlike with PCs)17:01
Stskeepske-recv, "first steps taken for pcsuite support"17:01
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Stskeepsthat's intruiging17:02
RST38hNothing exciting. They want the tablet to talk to PCSuite17:02
Stskeepsand a g_nokia17:02
RST38hPCSuite basically uses serial-over-USB protocol, it is written in Java, huge, unstable, nad better to be avoided17:02
johnxg_nokia, now that's pretty random :17:02
RST38hjohnx: Btw a few days ago had to listen to a fanboy explaining that iPhone battery is non-replaceable to avoid people replacing it with exploding 3rd party one17:03
Stskeepsthat N900?17:03
johnxguess so17:03
RST38hjohnx: And that bt data exchange is not being implemented to avoid VIRUSES17:04
Stskeepsgoogleable stuff, yay17:04
johnxis that the first time we've seen an rx-** for it?17:04
Stskeepsfirst time i have17:04
RST38hlet's ask google17:04
qwerty12rx51 is there17:04
johnxRST38h, I'm not arguing with you that people are stupid, but like I said, there are stupid people everywhere, using all products17:04
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RST38hjohnx: These are not stupid. They are demented.17:05
johnxshades of grey17:05
RST38hjohnx: Nope. Stupidity is not contagious, dementia is17:06
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johnxso let's just get this out in the open: you're afraid that if you buy an iphone you will become demented17:06
RST38hjohnx: Actually, I am17:06
johnxand this somehow makes more sense than "OMG! viruses over bluetooth!"?17:07
RST38hjohnx: (although I own an Apple BT keyboard and it did not made me go nuts so far :))17:07
RST38hjohnx: Well, I haven't seen BT viruses so far but I have seen at least 3 of my friends buy apple stuff17:08
RST38hjohnx: And none of them escaped.17:08
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johnxare they happier now?17:08
woglindehm maybee my nest task for maemo is17:08
RST38hjohnx: No idea, probably17:08
woglindeto get cacao in extras-devel17:08
RST38hjohnx: But way creepier to talk to17:09
Stskeepsjohnx: i'm curious over af-startup no longer having matchbox in it17:09
johnxmaybe you just need to drink the proverbial koolaid and join the cult?17:09
RST38hjohnx <-- evil17:09
Stskeeps.. what on earth is source_if_is?17:09
johnxdon't read that. that's the true cause of dementia17:10
RST38hjohnx: Naah, aside from the mental danger, iPhone just plain does not do what I use my phone for17:10
RST38hjohnx: But if N9x0 finally becomes an iphone-like tablet, I will buy it indeed17:11
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johnxI'm still coming out with mixed feelings an environment like maemo as a phone17:11
johnxusers adding random daemons and long-running programs in a non-managed way, combined with the need for 24/7 stability and battery life17:12
johnxor did you mean "iphone like, without the phone"?17:13
StskeepsPreparing the plugin for animated video thumbnails17:13
Stskeepsdear god. :P17:13
RST38hjohnx: does not matter much to me17:13
Stskeeps(apologies to the writer who is in here)17:13
RST38hjohnx: Won't hold the whole pad to my ear anyway and I do not particularly like headsets17:14
johnxStskeeps, wow. I think some of this is beyond even desktop linux O_o17:14
RST38hjohnx: But if you worry about stablity, battery life, etc, just look at WinMobile :)17:14
RST38hWhatever Nokia does to Maemo is going to be better than THAT thing17:14
johnxwell yes, that goes without saying17:15
johnxbut WinMo is the one platform I won't make any apologies for17:15
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jaskaid take winmo over symbian any day tho17:15
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RST38hStill it is being used in phones and so far it is not dead17:15
Stskeepsjohnx: woo, "through noreturn functions work on ARM with gcc-4.2.1"17:16
RST38hjaska: Sorry, I would rather use Symbian17:16
Stskeepsgcc4 \o/17:16
jaskawhy sorry?:)17:19
RST38h'cause Symbian is not exactly a paramount of perfection either17:19
jaskaheh, i hope they dump it for linux eventually so i dont have to buy htc phones17:19
RST38hBut at least it works17:19
RST38hWhat's wrong with Symbian?17:20
jaskaall that symbian signed crap etc.17:20
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jaskaand the symbian c++ stuff is naaasty17:20
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RST38hit's ok when you understand it17:22
RST38hheavy handed but ok and seems to work17:23
jaskai just see no excuse for not allowing the owner of a device run whatever he wants17:23
RST38hwince is basically a bastardized win95 quickly and dirtily ported to arm though17:23
jaskai dont love wince either, its just the lesser evil of the two for me17:23
inzIf there's an event involved with symbian, I really hope it's name ends 'L'...17:23
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woglindeRST38h to ppc and mips too17:24
RST38hjaska: in practice, self signed apps get pretty much all the rights you would need for a non-system-level app17:24
RST38hwoglinde: yea, but those died rather quickly17:24
RST38hmips version is still being supported, kinda, but not actively developed or used17:25
jaskaagree to disagree?:P17:25
jaskaas its somewhat ot and going nowhere17:25
johnxI had to support WinMo phones in a previous job. Never. Again.17:25
woglindejohnx he you got a handy board support package17:26
johnxha! I didn't even get one of my own to play with17:26
johnxit was just "these people need their new WinMo phones to sync with their Macs"17:27
ShadowJKthe funniest thing is that some nokia people when you whine to them about symbian signed being crap/not working/offline/timing out, they sometimes tell you to jailbreak your phone and get around the symbiansigned stuff permanently :)17:27
johnxand then to top it off the things had random bugs, failures in addition17:27
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* RST38h sincerely hopes Nokia will take the Symbian Signed crap away now17:29
qwerty12RST38h, +117:29
RST38hIt did nothing but provide income stream for Symbian17:29
RST38hundeserved income too17:29
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Khertan_45872Hello !17:32
johnxhello Khertan clone #4587217:34
johnxhow is #48573 doing today?17:34
Khertan_45872#48573 command unknow17:35
Khertan_45872I'm fine and you ?17:35
johnxpretty good17:35
johnxabout to get some sleep17:35
* Khertan_45872 have just get is new phone17:36
johnxworking better than the old one?17:36
* Khertan_45872 must wait until 5 December before the line will be activated17:36
Khertan_45872Johnx > don't know yet17:36
Khertan_45872johnx> but the problem wasn't the phone ... but the ISP.17:37
Khertan_45872and i change the both :)17:37
johnxah, well that's a good start17:37
johnxI hope this one works out better17:37
Khertan_45872yep ... hoping it ll be better17:37
Khertan_45872i ve now a 6500Slide ...17:38
Khertan_45872not a bad phone17:38
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Khertan_45872i like it to be honest17:38
Khertan_45872and nice17:38
johnxStskeeps, tried the latest sapwood sapwood from svn with gtk from mer: ./buttonbox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open17:38
johnxis that gtk from trunk? or tag?17:39
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qwerty12hah, synaptic actually compiles...17:40
Stskeepsjohnx: get glib too17:41
johnxgood call17:42
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johnxssh'ed into too many different "ubuntu armel jaunty" machines O_o17:42
* Stskeeps groans about bzr17:42
* Stskeeps isn't sure he likes either bzr or launchpad17:43
johnxwell it runs, still the same obscure message17:45
johnxI mean the sapwood error I've been seeing17:46
johnxanyways, time for bed17:46
johnx'night all17:46
aquatixjohnx: nn17:46
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GAN800Refusing to provide an option to disable screen dimming . . . nice18:19
GAN800"The problem really is that our implementation isn't good enough!18:19
GAN800"We'll make it awesome. Swear!"18:20
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StskeepsOHM, i believe18:24
Stskeeps(and that i'm willing to bet DSME will not have screen dimming as part of it's functionality)18:24
Stskeepsas that'd be transferred to ohm prolly :P18:25
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GAN800brightness is diferentiation18:30
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GAN800So it'll be closee.18:30
infobotGAN800 meant: So it'll be closed.18:30
Stskeepsyay. :P18:30
GAN800That's why they moved it out of dsme to mce18:30
GAN800Where the fuck is DSME?18:30
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Stskeepsgood question, think they're waiting to coincide it with OHM18:31
GAN800lol @ the Fremantle thread18:31
Stskeepsthat thread is really going toxic18:31
GAN800it was supposed to be out after the Summit.18:31
Stskeepsbut i hope, mer and other projects start seeing more community patches etc18:31
GAN800It dragged out all the retards to contibute their two cents of idiocy.18:32
Stskeepsstart seeing = make maemo start seeing18:32
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* Jaffa *tries* to inject some sense into the thread :)19:02
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GAN800Jaffa, unpossible.19:07
* Jaffa makes GAN800 fail English19:08
* aquatix plays the mission: unpossible theme19:08
aquatix(rather similar to the mission: impossible one)19:08
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GAN800Not a typo.19:10
Jaffa /nick GAN800 RalphW19:12
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GAN800Even more impossible than impossible.19:13
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GAN800Jaffa, I think the problem really is is that they're not as far along on the five stages as we are. :p19:19
GAN800I've moved on to bargainning 'Let's make a deal . . .' and they're still stuck on anger. ;)19:19
* Jaffa 's done anger, and now's just itching for some fun new hardware19:20
JaffaEspecially after seeing the Movial OMAP3430 demo from April19:20
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GAN800OMAP3 is terrifying19:20
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GAN800There's at least one thing to be said for the mobile space these days: it sure is exciting.19:21
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JaffaBlimey. Jaffa Jr. is using the scrollwheel on his mouse.19:23
woglindejaffa haha woglinde jr. is using the scrollwheel of my mouse19:24
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Jaffawoglinde: how old is your jr?19:27
woglinde2 years and 4 month19:27
Ro9u3oRcan someone help? i installed usb control but its not working when i connect to the usb port of my n80019:28
woglindeRo9u3oR I think this applet os broken19:29
* Jaffa 's is 2.7519:29
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woglindejaffa but since 2 weeks he likes the number 519:30
woglindehe is searching it on all tinks19:30
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Ro9u3oRhow can i get it working wog?19:31
woglindeRo9u3oR dont know19:31
woglindedidnt look at the code19:31
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Ro9u3oRis the usbcontrol app the same as the one in the respiratory19:41
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Stskeepsanyone with launchpad/git/bazaar experience? :P20:15
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mgedminStskeeps: what kind of experience?20:18
mgedmindoes "using them for 5 minutes" count?20:18
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Stskeepshehe. i guess :P which one would seem most appealing for contributing to Maemo like projects?20:23
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mgedminthe sourceforge-like UI is horrible, yes, but it's sort of the unofficial official place for it20:30
mgedminlaunchpad isn't too bad, e.g. the bug tracker doesn't suck so much as the one on garage20:30
mgedmingit is faster and more stable, but is, perhaps, a bit harder to use sometimes than bzr20:31
mgedminif you want source hosting on launchpad, that may be a reason to use bzr20:32
Stskeepswell, let's say you want to contribute to let's say, hildon application manager, - would you then branch the HAM repository and upload your branch to somewhere? how many steps are acceptable? (i mean, compared to uploading your branch to a public_html or the likes, instead of making a launchpad account, etc..) :P20:34
mgedminpublishing a git branch is a huge pain, compared to publishing a bzr branch20:35
mgedminI suppose it depends on how much effort you want to invest in learning the tool20:36
mgedminif you want something easy to use, use bzr20:36
mgedminif you want something powerful, use git, and expect to be frustrated initially20:36
mgedminin the past bzr used to frustrate me a lot with its bugs20:37
mgedminhaving your branch rendered unusable is not fun20:37
mgedminand it's not fun when it happens the second time, a year later, after assurances from bzr fanboys claiming all bugs of that kind have been fixed for years and now it's really really stable20:37
mgedminand when it happens the *third* time another year later, you're pretty pissed off20:37
mgedminat least I was20:37
mgedminbut that was also about 6 months ago and I haven't tried bzr since20:38
mgedminmaybe they fixed everything (ha)20:38
mgedminor maybe I'm just good at triggering bugs20:38
Stskeepsi have same issue, like, branching from svn, then figuring out there's settings of the branch structure, and your existing branches can't pull from their upstream :P20:38
mgedmininterop with svn opens a whole new can of worms20:39
mgedminand they're all crawling around20:39
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aquatix!coffee RST38h21:53
* RST38h moos at aquatix21:54
* aquatix yawns at RST38h 21:54
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Stskeeps~curse bzr21:54
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bzr !21:54
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RST38hwhat's new & exciting?22:00
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Stskeepsnot much22:30
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konttori_xorAxAx: thanks for the interesting info about the pypy guys. Yeah, psyco is 386 only. Works wonders on python code though. Doubled the perf of my test case.23:17
konttori_just by including two lines of code.23:17
konttori_import psyco and psyco.full()23:18
konttori_but, yeah, pypy should be interesting as well. the psyco guy has also joined pypy forces as far as I know23:18
Stskeepsyeah.. pypy really has a lot of potential23:23
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* qwerty12_N800 can't bring himself to say pypy for some reason23:24
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: you just did23:34
* Stskeeps wonders what g_nokia.ko will do23:34
qwerty12_N800aquatix, ORLY? hehe, i'll give you the point ;) but prouncing it sounds odd :p23:35
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, i think you know :p23:35
aquatixi say it like pie pie23:36
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: .. well, ok, implement pc suite protocol23:36
aquatixhmmmm, pie...23:36
Stskeeps(does this mean sane sync?)23:36
* qwerty12_N800 makes a note to get transmission to use the default hildon icons, gtk ones suck23:37
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* Stskeeps wonders why on earth maemo gets booted into while charging, instead of doing it in initfs..23:38
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: do you really want to know? :P sometimes ignorance is quite a bliss :)23:39
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: i hoped it was cos then it would be instant to switch from charging mode to maemo actually running, but it doesn't seem to do that.. also, initfs size could be a factor23:40
Stskeeps.. or worst, they want to use sound when it's charged23:40
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konttori_probably some parts of power management are done at kernel level23:48
konttori_and by power management, I mean charging  management23:48
Stskeepsah, i was talking about it from UI point of view23:49
Stskeepsthat the charging animation actually happens inside X23:49
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: you see the text below animation?23:52
suihkulokkiStskeeps: now consider the initfs has uClibc without locales..23:52
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qwerty12_N800hah >.<23:53
RST38hAn Italian right-wing party is offering 1500 euros to parents who name their babies after wartime fascist dictator Benito Mussolini or his wife Rachele, saying their names are under threat.23:55
Stskeepssuihkulokki: ah.23:55
Stskeepssuihkulokki: yes, some things i'd not like to know23:55
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RST38hA worker at a Wal-Mart in Long Island, New York, was killed when a throng of shoppers broke down the doors to the store early this morning and knocked him to the ground.23:56
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