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| l7 | does anyone happen to know what the purpose of the small metal plate on the inside of the nokia's battery cover is? | 00:27 |
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| l7 | i'm guessing it may tell the device the battery cover is closed, but not sure | 00:28 |
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| bradd | l7, something to do with the sdcard i guess.. when i open / close it powered on, it tells me 'memory card available' | 00:36 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, had you read the comment by Peter@marketing when you asked about clutter a while ago? | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | :'( some guy demoing omap2 running 3d software its so sad we havent got it running yet | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | the omap3 looks nice though, much more capable | 00:41 |
| johnx | yeah | 00:41 |
| johnx | no need for that "yet" | 00:41 |
| woglinde | he johny | 00:42 |
| woglinde | and lcuk | 00:42 |
| johnx | hi | 00:42 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde, hows tricks | 00:43 |
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| woglinde | hm dont know why the ssh folks using aclocal.m4 instead of copy it to m4/openssh.m4 | 00:43 |
| woglinde | but that was easy to fix for now | 00:44 |
| l7 | bradd: yeah, i was wondering if it completes a circuit that tells the tablet that the lid is on | 00:44 |
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| l7 | or maybe it's just there to cushion the SD card somehow, though that seems less likely | 00:44 |
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| johnx | there's a little magnet that acts as the lid sensor | 00:45 |
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| l7 | oh, where is this magnet? | 00:45 |
| GuySoft | hey, is there a way to "mute" the nokia's led? its annoying.. | 00:47 |
| Ro9u3oR | whats the correct image to download if you are trying to upgrade your os on the n800 | 00:47 |
| Ro9u3oR | im at the site now and there are a few to chose from | 00:48 |
| lcuk | the latest date | 00:49 |
| Ro9u3oR | do i download that to the sdcard? | 00:50 |
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| l7 | hrm, maybe moving a n800 too close to a demagnetizer would be bad | 00:52 |
| lcuk | Ro9u3oR, i dunno, i use the windows flasher | 00:52 |
| l7 | if it demagnetized the magnet for the rear battery door | 00:53 |
| Ro9u3oR | im working from a windows machine | 00:53 |
| Ro9u3oR | think you can walk me thru it | 00:53 |
| lcuk | i could barely walk myself through it last time i tried | 00:54 |
| Ro9u3oR | thanks anyway | 00:55 |
| lcuk | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html | 00:55 |
| Ro9u3oR | good start | 00:56 |
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| Ro9u3oR | hope this upgrade works | 01:30 |
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| Ro9u3oR | so far so good | 01:34 |
| Ro9u3oR | i think | 01:35 |
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| Ro9u3oR | im trying to upgrade my device anyone think they can help | 01:41 |
| Navi | Still? | 01:41 |
| Ro9u3oR | lol | 01:42 |
| Ro9u3oR | first attemp | 01:42 |
| Navi | :/ | 01:42 |
| bef0rd | ~flashing | 01:42 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:42 |
| Navi | infobot: I love you | 01:42 |
| infobot | You love you? | 01:42 |
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| Ro9u3oR | ok it worked | 01:43 |
| Ro9u3oR | thanks guys | 01:43 |
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| ro9u3oR | how do you launch downloaded apps on the n800 running os2008 | 02:33 |
| Navi | go to the meny | 02:33 |
| Navi | menu* | 02:33 |
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| ro9u3oR | there not listed in the menu | 02:35 |
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| johnx | what did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from? | 02:37 |
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| Navi | johnx: luls, you asked about gc-linux in #wiili | 02:39 |
| johnx | Navi, the sf project for the linux kernel for the wii is called gc-linux :) | 02:39 |
| Navi | johnx: Yes, and that's the only project fer Linux on the Wii, at the moment | 02:40 |
| Navi | but that what gets me is the irony | 02:40 |
| johnx | or was it because #wiili is more for the wiimote stuff than the linux-on-wii stuff? | 02:40 |
| johnx | ah | 02:40 |
| Navi | That was the first Wii-linux-related thing in #wiili for months | 02:40 |
| Ro9u3oR | how can i run down loaded apps | 02:40 |
| johnx | ahaha | 02:40 |
| johnx | Ro9u3oR, <johnx> what did you download? and where did you download it to? and where did you download it from? | 02:41 |
| Navi | If you want answers, you should visit gc-linux's channel on efnet | 02:41 |
| Navi | WiiLi is just there for the owner to make ad money | 02:41 |
| johnx | gah, more IRC channels :/ | 02:41 |
| johnx | and why are you there? O_o | 02:42 |
| Navi | To tell people the truth | 02:42 |
| Navi | and troll | 02:42 |
| Navi | mostly trolling | 02:42 |
| johnx | BTW, #gc-linux is a channel with just me :) I guess that's a pretty good answer | 02:42 |
| johnx | time to shoehorn a dev env onto my wii once other people stop using it :P | 02:42 |
| Navi | sorry, #gc-linux on irc.oftc.net | 02:43 |
| Navi | bluetooth networking should be as straightforward on the wii as it is on a normal Linux desktop | 02:43 |
| johnx | except I'm missing bnep.ko | 02:43 |
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| Navi | which means, it:P | 02:45 |
| Navi | :P | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | mytube is neat. can i has for linux pc? | 02:59 |
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| poppabear | is there an irc app for os2008 yet ? | 03:50 |
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| poppabear | irc app - irc client whatever you want to call it :P | 03:50 |
| johnx | xchat and irssi are available | 03:51 |
| johnx | xchat is in extras | 03:51 |
| johnx | and xchat has been out for quite a while :) | 03:52 |
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| poppabear | i don't have the tablet yet ... was thinking of buying it but an important feature i would need is the ability to chat via irc | 03:54 |
| GAN800 | xchat | 03:55 |
| johnx | well, it's definitely there :) | 03:55 |
| johnx | xchat, irssi, pidgin, and even the built in chat client can kind of do it | 03:55 |
| poppabear | kool | 03:55 |
| poppabear | is the N810 a good device for the price ? | 03:56 |
| johnx | depends on what you want to do, but overall yes | 03:56 |
| johnx | I have an N800 though :) | 03:56 |
| poppabear | well, i mean my main concern is the fact that i would be mainly using it at work but they don't have wifi in the area so i'm not sure if i could connect to the internet without wifi or anything ..... any suggestions as far as that goes | 03:58 |
| johnx | you could use bluetooth to tether it to a cell phone | 03:59 |
| johnx | in that case you would need a phone that has bluetooth and a data plan for it | 03:59 |
| poppabear | i have the sidekick slide from t-mobile that has internet and bluetooth so that might just work | 04:00 |
| johnx | out of curiosity, is there an IRC app for the sidekick? | 04:01 |
| johnx | you do need to make sure that your sidekick supports "Bluetooth DUN (dial up networking)" or "Bluetooth PAN (Personal Area Network)" | 04:03 |
| poppabear | not sure i will have to check on that but as far as IRC on the sidekick i was able to develop a client to work on it, however it was a qwik development and could use some enhancements :P | 04:05 |
| poppabear | when its debugged and running a little faster and more effeciant then i will submit it to Danger and see if they approve it as part of there application list, but i haven't really messed with it in some time | 04:06 |
| johnx | from a quick search it looks like the sidekick side doesn't support those bluetooth profiles | 04:07 |
| poppabear | with the Danger OS there isn't much you can do with it, all applications are developed under the Java Platform | 04:08 |
| poppabear | my strong development skills are in shel based OS's and Windows based OS's | 04:08 |
| johnx | yeah, that closed OS always turned me off the sidekick | 04:09 |
| poppabear | i'm not real strong in Java "yet" | 04:09 |
| johnx | the hardware looked really nice though | 04:09 |
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| poppabear | its ok ..... i'm not a big fan of it myself but hell it was free to me :P | 04:09 |
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| poppabear | it would be awsome if the Nokia devices could have a internet service you could signup with and be connected constantly ...... without having to be tied into a cell phone provider | 04:11 |
| johnx | well there is a wimax version | 04:12 |
| poppabear | much more expensive ? | 04:12 |
| johnx | of course :) | 04:12 |
| poppabear | heh | 04:12 |
| johnx | and the next one will have a builtin 3G modem | 04:12 |
| johnx | the wimax version is $450, but most places don't have wimax yet | 04:12 |
| poppabear | 3g is soooo overloaded though | 04:12 |
| poppabear | wimax is in Baltimore only isn't it | 04:13 |
| johnx | yeah, and DC is in trials | 04:13 |
| johnx | IIRC | 04:13 |
| johnx | they'll be more places later of course | 04:13 |
| poppabear | yea | 04:13 |
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| poppabear | se thats really the only thing right now stopping me from "checking out" :P | 04:15 |
| poppabear | an internet tablet is useless without internet :P | 04:16 |
| johnx | actually, I tend to use mine offline quite a bit | 04:16 |
| johnx | reading RSS feeds, reading books, taking notes, etc | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Hardly | 04:16 |
| poppabear | my main use would eb online tho | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Music, movies, podcasts, ebooks, games, emulators. | 04:16 |
| johnx | yeah, and if you have no inet access at all with it, it's a pain to install apps | 04:16 |
| poppabear | i agree with that, but useless to me knowing what i need it for | 04:16 |
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| poppabear | does it have a Terminal that you can use to create shell scripts and be able to run them ect ...... ? | 04:18 |
| johnx | of course | 04:19 |
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| poppabear | is it like a full functional (without restrictions) Linux OS ? | 04:20 |
| johnx | well it's fully open, if that's what you mean | 04:21 |
| GAN800 | Basically | 04:21 |
| johnx | it has busybox instead of coreutils/bsdutils/bash | 04:21 |
| poppabear | it doesn't have bash shell ? | 04:21 |
| johnx | you can install it as a user shell if you need it | 04:21 |
| johnx | but the main shell used is ash | 04:22 |
| poppabear | i don't alot of my shell scripting in Bash | 04:22 |
| poppabear | i do " | 04:22 |
| johnx | if you stay sh compatible you're fine, if you need bash, install it | 04:22 |
| poppabear | kool | 04:22 |
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| joyious | lcuk: Hi | 04:29 |
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| poppabear | how do you guys feel about Palm Powered devices ? | 05:13 |
| johnx | I really like them for PIM | 05:13 |
| johnx | awful for web browsing | 05:13 |
| johnx | and the OS is pretty old and creaky. Ask anyone how fun it is to program for :) | 05:13 |
| johnx | for a phone, might actually be pretty nice | 05:15 |
| Macer | ahhhhhh... good sex :) | 05:17 |
| * Macer goes to take a shower.. smoke a cigarette.. eat some food... and sleep | 05:17 | |
| Macer | talk about a perfect day | 05:17 |
| poppabear | was thinking something like this http://www.buy.com/prod/hp-ipaq-211-enterprise-handheld-marvell-pxa310-624mhz-128mb-256mb-rom/q/loc/101/205835522.html | 05:17 |
| johnx | Macer, pretty funny how you've been on IRC the whole time ... | 05:18 |
| johnx | poppabear, you won't find many people here who have something nice to say about winmo :) | 05:19 |
| poppabear | really ... :P | 05:19 |
| ShadowJK | I bet it's less frustrating to develop for than symbian | 05:26 |
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| poppabear | night guys | 05:37 |
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| Ro9u3oR | hey, i installed usbcontrol to my n800 and cant locate the program now on the device | 05:48 |
| johnx | it's in the extras menu :) | 05:48 |
| Ro9u3oR | not there, could it be a bad install | 05:49 |
| johnx | does it show up as installed in application manager | 05:49 |
| johnx | ? | 05:49 |
| Ro9u3oR | no | 05:50 |
| johnx | how did you install it? | 05:50 |
| Ro9u3oR | downloaded it from maemo org onto my sd | 05:50 |
| johnx | then you installed it with application manager? | 05:51 |
| Ro9u3oR | yes | 05:52 |
| johnx | and the install went fine? | 05:53 |
| Ro9u3oR | i thought so | 05:53 |
| johnx | try installing directly from application manager. go to available applications and just select usbcontrol from that list | 05:55 |
| Ro9u3oR | when i went thru app installl there werent to many apps | 05:56 |
| johnx | add this first: | 05:57 |
| johnx | ~extras | 05:57 |
| infobot | i guess extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 05:57 |
| johnx | just add extras for now, not extras-devel | 05:57 |
| Ro9u3oR | just extras | 05:57 |
| johnx | right | 05:57 |
| johnx | so basically just open that page in the browser on your tablet and click on the link on that page :) | 05:58 |
| Ro9u3oR | ill give it a shot | 05:58 |
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| Ro9u3oR | whats the link o download extras for n800 os2008 | 06:45 |
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| johnx | ~extras | 07:15 |
| infobot | [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 07:15 |
| johnx | ah, nm | 07:15 |
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| kulve | app.mgr has an option called "Ignore packages from wrong domain". What's a "wrong domain"? | 08:12 |
| AStorm | hello | 08:13 |
| AStorm | any idea how to nicely chain immc with the / flash? | 08:14 |
| AStorm | because installing system on a card with n810 is a no-no | 08:14 |
| AStorm | I could install on immc though... | 08:14 |
| AStorm | just ran out of space | 08:15 |
| AStorm | trying to install fennec... too many apps I guess, esp. qt4 | 08:15 |
| kulve | copy the whole maemo rootfs to mmc? | 08:17 |
| kulve | or why is it a "no-no"? | 08:17 |
| AStorm | immc is ok | 08:18 |
| AStorm | emmc is not | 08:18 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 08:18 | |
| kulve | with "e" you mean external? | 08:18 |
| AStorm | though immc can't use jffs2 | 08:18 |
| kulve | why isn't it ok? | 08:18 |
| AStorm | yes | 08:18 |
| AStorm | because I like to swap cards | 08:18 |
| kulve | oh, that's a good reason :) | 08:18 |
| kulve | I though you meant there's some technical issue.. | 08:19 |
| AStorm | nah | 08:19 |
| AStorm | so, the trick is that compression gives a lot on mmc | 08:19 |
| AStorm | and I have no compressed fs on radar | 08:19 |
| AStorm | (see, it's only 5 Mbit) | 08:20 |
| johnx | "wrong domain" is probably referring to upgrades the come from a different repo than the original package | 08:20 |
| kulve | johnx: I uploaded the package to the extras-devel and I'm now trying to install it from there. Before that I removed the old version from command line with dpkg.. | 08:21 |
| johnx | I really don't know | 08:21 |
| johnx | app mgr is ... special | 08:21 |
| kulve | yeah.. | 08:21 |
| kulve | with apt-get it would get installed just fine. And the "Section" is user/multimedia | 08:21 |
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| lopz | nigth | 08:26 |
| AStorm | hmm, nobody can recommend a nice compressed fs for mmc? | 08:26 |
| AStorm | (for uncompressed, I can just grab btrfs) | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn johnx | 08:29 |
| AStorm | reiser4 is out (is buggy, loses files, etc) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | like its author | 08:30 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps :) | 08:30 |
| AStorm | Hans is out? guess i'm old news | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | true, not out:P | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw the mer blueprint appendixes? | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: also quims post was a lot more interesting - alpha sdk for platform developers | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | not power/general users | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | and 100% oss | 08:36 |
| johnx | yeah, but I'm more worried about n8x0 / armv5 / anything without 3d compatibility now | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah obviously | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | but then again there were religious 770 users on the inside (HE) | 08:38 |
| johnx | I guess I pinned too many of my hopes on maemo :/ | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | next clutter theory - wm, they were dubious about full screen switches | 08:41 |
| AStorm | well | 08:41 |
| AStorm | indeed, ui is cluttered | 08:42 |
| AStorm | wasteful | 08:42 |
| AStorm | instead, give us a main menu button | 08:42 |
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| AStorm | :> | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | ponder if zoomable ui is integrated.. | 08:42 |
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| AStorm | also, 960x560 screen would be nice and should fit in current form factor | 08:50 |
| AStorm | though then I dont know how where they would place the camera (which is fairly useless now) | 08:51 |
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| AStorm | maybe foldable one | 08:52 |
| AStorm | I'm sure such a fine company would solve this problem | 08:52 |
| AStorm | :P | 08:52 |
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| hahlobit | any information who and when they hire that debmaster? | 08:54 |
| AStorm | :) | 08:54 |
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| joyious | Hi, how can i access the other frame buffer plane? such as /dev/fb1 | 09:11 |
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| AStorm | there is one? | 09:13 |
| AStorm | ah, you mean the otherö, internal TI fb? | 09:14 |
| AStorm | it's not hooked up to display afaicr | 09:14 |
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| joyious | AStorm: So there is no overlay support ? | 09:17 |
| AStorm | use xv? | 09:18 |
| AStorm | no idea really | 09:18 |
| AStorm | ask someone else, like johnx | 09:18 |
| joyious | AStorm:I'm using directfb, not X | 09:18 |
| AStorm | directfb has its own overlaying and compositing... | 09:19 |
| AStorm | so why do you even try to access other fb device | 09:19 |
| joyious | AStorm:But there is no omap overlay driver there | 09:19 |
| AStorm | hm | 09:19 |
| AStorm | I think omapfb mplayer driver code might be enlightening | 09:20 |
| joyious | AStorm: actually I just want to play some video and draw some UI on top of it | 09:20 |
| joyious | AStorm: this is what johnx suggest me to check | 09:20 |
| AStorm | not sure if that is possible in hardware | 09:20 |
| AStorm | the driver does support partial updates I think | 09:21 |
| AStorm | another thing is to check kernel fb driver for what it supports | 09:21 |
| joyious | AStorm: it does support partial update in one plane | 09:21 |
| AStorm | which is enough to do overlaying in software :) | 09:22 |
| joyious | AStorm: But i need 2 plane, video is YUV and UI is RGB | 09:22 |
| AStorm | ah right | 09:23 |
| AStorm | you'd have to convert | 09:23 |
| AStorm | hmm | 09:23 |
| joyious | AStorm: And also I wonder if there is some blending | 09:23 |
| AStorm | no idea if multiple planes are supportes | 09:23 |
| AStorm | I haven't seen any blending support in the driver... but I might have missed it | 09:24 |
| joyious | AStorm: I searched on the internet, someone are discuss this here | 09:24 |
| AStorm | hm | 09:25 |
| joyious | AStorm:it says the n810 got 3 planes, but I got no way to use it | 09:25 |
| AStorm | directly, yes | 09:25 |
| AStorm | because stupid epson chip buffer is weird | 09:25 |
| AStorm | :) | 09:26 |
| joyious | AStorm: I know nothing about the epson chip | 09:26 |
| AStorm | might be possible using DMA or some other hack | 09:26 |
| AStorm | the fb driver doesn't support that, but mplayer omapfb might | 09:27 |
| joyious | AStorm:I check the mplayer source, it just use /dev/fb0 and partially update the screen | 09:28 |
| AStorm | at worst, just convert in software using dsp | 09:28 |
| AStorm | mhm | 09:28 |
| AStorm | yes, mplayer doesn't have to overlay | 09:28 |
| AStorm | it mixes in software | 09:28 |
| AStorm | though DSP->fb transfer is tricky | 09:29 |
| joyious | but mplayer do have some OSD menus there | 09:29 |
| joyious | I dont know how they do it | 09:29 |
| AStorm | in software | 09:29 |
| AStorm | they output correct rgb, yuv, whatnot | 09:30 |
| AStorm | for simple menu, it works well enough | 09:31 |
| joyious | and also some transpaency between those | 09:32 |
| AStorm | yes | 09:33 |
| AStorm | simple mixing | 09:33 |
| AStorm | it does use the dsp for some of this (esp. yuv<->rgb conversion) | 09:34 |
| joyious | I check the vo code, it use omapfb and just put yuv data to fb | 09:35 |
| AStorm | yes | 09:35 |
| AStorm | check other parts of mplayer code | 09:35 |
| AStorm | for conversion assembler | 09:35 |
| joyious | so you mean before the vo, it already mix the menu with videos? | 09:35 |
| joyious | that conversion is just from YV12 to omap's YUV420 | 09:36 |
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| AStorm | :) | 09:39 |
| AStorm | so you have to write one for rgb to yuv420 | 09:39 |
| joyious | why ? | 09:39 |
| AStorm | ... see, no overlay for you | 09:40 |
| AStorm | unless you figure out how to do it | 09:40 |
| AStorm | then I'd be grateful if you write a good doc | 09:40 |
| joyious | actually now I can update the whole screen with YUV420 data and then partial with RGB data for UI | 09:41 |
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| AStorm | that won't work | 09:45 |
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| AStorm | unless you convert rgb to yuv420 | 09:45 |
| joyious | but they are accessing the same framebuffer, so some side effect | 09:46 |
| joyious | It works, just to tell the device what format is the update window | 09:46 |
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| AStorm | really it does? | 09:49 |
| AStorm | still, unless you're updating rectangles only, opaque | 09:49 |
| AStorm | you will have to convert some parts | 09:50 |
| joyious | the problem is UI and video output are updating the screen seperately | 09:50 |
| Macer | hm | 09:51 |
| joyious | Yes, just some rectangle | 09:52 |
| joyious | opaque | 09:52 |
| Macer | johnx - were you watching the txt video stream or something? :) | 09:52 |
| Macer | just because i am on irc doesn't mean i'm on irc | 09:52 |
| AStorm | Macer: /away is your friend | 09:53 |
| AStorm | :) | 09:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:23 |
| Macer | heh | 10:26 |
| Macer | samurai girl is hot | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn Macer, Jaffa | 10:26 |
| Macer | hi | 10:27 |
| Macer | i'm watching samurai girl | 10:27 |
| Macer | it's come to this | 10:27 |
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| Macer | whattodo whattodo | 10:35 |
| Macer | hm | 10:38 |
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| X-Fade | Morning.. | 10:40 |
| X-Fade | Let's see if GA awakes from his turkey induced coma ;) | 10:41 |
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| johnx | another several hours yet I think :) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: sapwood change log had a notice about memory corruption btw | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | like, quite recently | 10:47 |
| johnx | hmm | 10:47 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I especially like the FIXMEs in that code ;) | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's always comforting maemo isn't running nuclear facilities.. | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | Can somebody login on the wiki and see if they get a captcha after you hit save? (Should not be) | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | You'd have to edit an article. | 11:02 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: sorry, am around now again | 11:06 |
| aquatix | morning all btw :) | 11:06 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:20 |
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| aquatix | hey RST38h | 11:21 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h :) | 11:21 |
| RST38h | Anyone planning to track down Mara and torture the pretty n900 pictures out of him/her? =) | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Book a flight to .fi ;) | 11:23 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Sending the evil minions! | 11:24 |
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| hahlobit | here is cold. | 11:26 |
| hahlobit | better fly to .br | 11:26 |
| johnx | 12C here. what about where other people are? | 11:27 |
| RST38h | +3 | 11:27 |
| RST38h | Will be -3 before long | 11:27 |
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| X-Fade | 2.6C here (NL) | 11:27 |
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| hahlobit | 3c | 11:29 |
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| johnx | well, looks like I got the better end of the deal :) ... except that I do enjoy snow | 11:30 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: check jaiku, there is wrong repo in maemo wiki | 11:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | is it is for armel :) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, it is actually entirely correct - those are developer tools for i386 | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | for installation on a linux PC | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | jaunty-i36 | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | i386 | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | for testing if your package compiles first :) | 11:36 |
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| RST38h | johnx: yours is probably more humid though | 11:44 |
| johnx | well yeah, but not right now | 11:45 |
| johnx | it's pretty awful in the summer though | 11:45 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: meh, it's 3.7C here :( | 11:46 |
| aquatix | but it seems it's getting lower | 11:46 |
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| X-Fade | aquatix: Cold south here ;) | 11:46 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 11:47 |
| * aquatix lives near the Northsea, so that doesn't help getting it cold here | 11:47 | |
| X-Fade | I don't mind the cold, but I hate these fully grey skies. | 11:47 |
| aquatix | true | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | Cold + blue sky + sun is a lot more friendly to the eye :) | 11:47 |
| * aquatix loves a freezing day with blue sky and sun | 11:48 | |
| aquatix | indeed | 11:48 |
| johnx | I used to live in Seattle. It was like that from the beginning of fall into late spring | 11:48 |
| aquatix | maybe add in some snow here and there | 11:48 |
| johnx | (overcast I mean) | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Yeah, overcast sucks.. | 11:48 |
| aquatix | it's so damn gloomy | 11:49 |
| * RST38h got used to gray skies | 11:49 | |
| johnx | definitely | 11:49 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 11:49 |
| RST38h | It is funny how all city photos are made in the night during November-March period though | 11:50 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=INOORDHO4 <- at this rate it will be freezing by evening :) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | Well at least it isn't dark until 10am and goes dark again at 3pm here ;) | 11:50 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ah? | 11:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, and all photos of Seattle are made in the Summer :) | 11:50 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: well, it only is dark until 9am and goes dark at 4pm ;) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah, like I said. At least ... | 11:51 |
| RST38h | aquatix: During the night, this place is illuminated and looks pretty much like klingon capital | 11:51 |
| aquatix | hm, shall i turn up the heat a bit or shall i run some demanding app on my pc... | 11:51 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: :) | 11:51 |
| RST38h | aquatix: During the day it is uniform gray though | 11:51 |
| aquatix | RST38h: heh :) | 11:51 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: yeah, that 360-view was yours right? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: my office is entirely heated by the 2 servers, atom board, tv and screens, and a beagleboard | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:52 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Nope, somebody else made it | 11:52 |
| aquatix | :) | 11:52 |
| aquatix | RST38h: fair enough, but at least your city :) | 11:52 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: i'm glad i don't have servers in this room | 11:52 |
| aquatix | only me, my workstation and my huge-ish tft | 11:53 |
| RST38h | aquatix: more stuff here: http://www.ivan.ru/ (do check the archive) | 11:53 |
| * aquatix clicks | 11:53 | |
| aquatix | ooh, nice | 11:53 |
| aquatix | http://www.ivan.ru/uploads/2008/08/moscow04.jpg <- whoa | 11:54 |
| aquatix | that's almost spooky | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Very cool photo. | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | That is postprocessing | 11:55 |
| aquatix | RST38h: is that tower on the background the wannabe highest of europe? http://www.ivan.ru/uploads/2008/08/moscow05.jpg | 11:55 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Nope. The highest one has not been started yet and they seem to have suspended the plans | 11:55 |
| aquatix | yeah, read about that | 11:55 |
| RST38h | this one is still pretty high though | 11:55 |
| aquatix | thought they already where building it | 11:55 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah, that's why i asked | 11:56 |
| RST38h | yes, the base is there | 11:56 |
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| chrisak- | When setting up cell phone operator, if selected country shows no service providers does that mean i'm outta luck? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | no it just means you will have to configure manually | 12:31 |
| hahlobit | no i don't think so. my operator didn't show either. | 12:33 |
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| hahlobit | you can set them by hand if you know access points and such. | 12:36 |
| chrisak- | ok thanks :) i'll keep at it then. Thailand and Cambodia both had lists of local mobile providers but Vietnam lists none | 12:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:50 |
| mmm_bacon | om nom nom | 12:50 |
| mmm_bacon | hiya simon | 12:50 |
| lardman | hi Gary :D | 12:50 |
| Gary | :'( hilights ftl | 12:51 |
| RST38h | moo, lardman | 12:51 |
| lardman | Gary: sorry! | 12:51 |
| * mmm_bacon feels like crap, if anyone wants me ill probably answer later | 12:52 | |
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| lardman | mmm_bacon: I don't need to want you ill, you already are ;) | 12:53 |
| mmm_bacon | bleugh, this is very interesting by the way: movial omap3 in tablet form factor http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O7oTlmlfV20&feature=related | 12:54 |
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| mmm_bacon | lardman i can barely focus on anything :( i left windows closed all night and heating on | 12:55 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, right about now. ;) | 12:56 |
| lardman | mmm_bacon: carbon monoxide poisioning? | 12:57 |
| lardman | s/poisioning/poisoning | 12:57 |
| mmm_bacon | more like methane | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: No too bad ;) | 12:57 |
| lardman | beans too hey? | 12:57 |
| * mmm_bacon blames the cheese n bean jacket potato | 12:57 | |
| GAN800 | I hit the bed so hard after we got home last night. <_< | 12:57 |
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| lardman | GAN800: where were you out too? | 12:59 |
| GAN800 | Friends place for Thanksgiving | 12:59 |
| GAN800 | 26lbs turkey | 12:59 |
| lardman | ah, turkey population halved? ;) | 12:59 |
| lardman | bloody hell, what were they feeding it? | 12:59 |
| * GAN800 sees the stupid Fremantle thread exploded. | 12:59 | |
| lardman | lead shot? | 13:00 |
| GAN800 | Hormones, clearly. | 13:00 |
| aquatix | those damn geeks | 13:01 |
| mmm_bacon | lardman, have you seen that video ^^ | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | mmm_bacon: The part where they scroll is pretty bad. | 13:03 |
| mmm_bacon | it made me smile :) | 13:03 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:03 |
| GAN800 | I really hope these assholes don't totally screw up the bugzilla process. | 13:03 |
| * lardman has no sound on work pc | 13:04 | |
| * lardman wonders how the n810 will handle all new widescreen YouTube | 13:04 | |
| mmm_bacon | you dont need sound to see the smooth scrolling effects | 13:04 |
| * mmm_bacon wonders whats wrong with it | 13:04 | |
| mmm_bacon | anyway, back to bed for me | 13:05 |
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| * GAN800 sighs. | 13:06 | |
| Stskeeps | morning GAN800 | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | good turkey? | 13:06 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, it was all excellent | 13:06 |
| lardman | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/470460 | 13:07 |
| GAN800 | Had a slice of keylime and a slice of pumpkin for dessert. | 13:07 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: shiny! | 13:22 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I think it's actually faster playing through flash than it was on the original machines :) | 13:32 |
| lardman | which is not to compliment flash in any way of course! | 13:32 |
| GAN800 | lol newgrounds | 13:32 |
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| * GAN800 played that regularly in middle school. | 13:33 | |
| * qwerty12 is more of a miniclip fan | 13:33 | |
| lardman | Worms or bomberman, man needs nothing else | 13:35 |
| lardman | though now that fps do coop mode, I'm tempted to resurrect afternoon gaming in the office ;) | 13:36 |
| GAN800 | I've hardly played a recent FPS not in coop | 13:36 |
| GAN800 | This is what we should have. http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/28/nokia-quake-iii-gains-on-phone-server-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mo/ :(( | 13:37 |
| lardman | We used to play a few years back, when Doom3 first came out - not much had coop mode then | 13:37 |
| lardman | yeah, we'll have to find out about driver support or not | 13:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh god, now I want a E90 soo badly | 13:38 |
| GAN800 | You should want drivers more. :P | 13:38 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(Gearbox_Software) looks promising for late evening coop play (in deserted uni, with headsets to talk as we're all in different offices) | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Call me a pessimist but I've come to the conclusion that we won't be seeing drivers anytime soon :) | 13:39 |
| GAN800 | Maybe the dreams of an innocent (ha!) child will bring them for us. :P | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 13:40 |
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| GAN800 | How did 'Freemantle' become such a popular misspelling? :/ | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | free willy? | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | Cos people are thick, like, innit | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | Since people like to rant without knowing the background behind a decision :/ | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, Ooh, nearly passed as a Vicky Pollard | 13:42 |
| lardman | easy mis-type though, I automatically type two ees | 13:43 |
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| GAN800 | widescreen YouTube aint so good fir | 13:43 |
| GAN800 | the tablets. | 13:43 |
| dystopia | why won't we get the linux security patches | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | you want to lock down your tablet like fort knox? :P | 13:44 |
| dystopia | like Fristaden Christiania ;-) | 13:45 |
| GAN800 | Feel free to help out with the stlc45xx | 13:46 |
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| dystopia | or backport hmm | 13:47 |
| guardian | hi | 13:47 |
| guardian | is there a known release date for the N900 ? | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | dystopia: .. that's about how open tablet is already | 13:47 |
| lardman | guardian: no | 13:47 |
| guardian | ok | 13:48 |
| GAN800 | Best guess is Summer 2009 | 13:48 |
| guardian | ok it's in a while then | 13:48 |
| lardman | From the comments on ITT there are prototypes around though, i wonder if people have been checking the browser id strings lately....? | 13:48 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, I doubt they're at that point quite yet | 13:49 |
| GAN800 | Bug Reggie about it. ;) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: saw Mara's comment? :P | 13:49 |
| lardman | I don't know, my original impression was that they were fairly well advanced | 13:49 |
| lardman | or X-Fade ;) | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, er, about them browsing with them not about there being prototypes. | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:50 |
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| * lardman wonders why Outlook is so crap | 13:52 | |
| GAN800 | It's MS duh | 13:52 |
| GAN800 | Showed the tablet to an iPod guy last night. He about died when I started playing When We Left Earth from the DVR at home with the HAVA. | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 13:54 |
| lardman | GAN800: so true | 13:55 |
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| GAN800 | It's interesting to see what hits home with different people | 13:57 |
| GAN800 | Some really dig media playback, others love the browser | 13:57 |
| lardman | how? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | "There's nothing conceptually different between my laptop running Debian and my N800 running, for all practical purposes, a Debian derivative. " | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's so wrong.. | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's tonnes of differences in how you deal with a ultramobile syste | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | m | 13:58 |
| lardman | not that I can comment as I've not submitted patches, but the browser really is too slow still | 13:58 |
| GAN800 | You show one person liqbase and they're totally non-reactive, but the next will frek | 13:58 |
| GAN800 | s/frek/freak/ | 13:59 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: You show one person liqbase and they're totally non-reactive, but the next will freak | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | lardman, but compared to a crap cellphone browser or Palm? | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, please feel free to correct them. :P | 14:00 |
| lardman | GAN800: yeah no idea, I use neither | 14:00 |
| GAN800 | lardman, really, honestly, the tablets offer some of the best mobile browsing around. | 14:00 |
| GAN800 | You'd be amazed at what some people are using. | 14:00 |
| lardman | I'd still prefer to wait and boot my pc | 14:01 |
| lardman | or use my gf's ipod touch | 14:01 |
| GAN800 | It's not laptop fast, but it's damn better than almost anything else in the class. | 14:01 |
| GAN800 | But, again, it's interesting to see what people react to. | 14:01 |
| lardman | I agree, with you, it;s just that it needs to be sufficiently fast to not make me boot the pc in preference | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | iPod Touch over N810? urgh | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i will, when i'm done with work :P | 14:02 |
| lardman | it's not even the speed for me, it's the bloody lock-ups and random scrolling behaviour | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | Why would you even turn off your computer? | 14:02 |
| lardman | speed-wise it's fine | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: making a Mer image for a intel atom board :P | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | turb | 14:02 |
| lardman | GAN800: expensive bills over here | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | turn off js and flash | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | it'll flj | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | s/flj/fly/ | 14:03 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: it'll fly | 14:03 |
| lardman | stuff like itt is still painful | 14:03 |
| lardman | image loading is slow | 14:03 |
| GAN800 | lol, Modest and IM notifications messing up my thumb typing. | 14:03 |
| GAN800 | lardman, minimalist. | 14:03 |
| lardman | yeah, there are ways | 14:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, shame the itt site doesn't automatically give us the low bandwidth version from the browser id | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, if you haven't already done changed the theme, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/?styleid=10 | 14:09 |
| GAN800 | lardman, give it time. :p | 14:09 |
| * Jaffa finds most browsing slightly too painful on an N810, unless I'm stuck, or doing something very specific. | 14:10 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: thanks | 14:11 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, it's ok if you've got something bookmarked to work in low-fi mode, but just general browsing is too clonky | 14:12 |
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| GAN800 | Who'da thunk it'd take 3 days to fill 30,000 gallons from a hose. . . . | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | Someone with a calculator who knew the water flow rate? ;-) | 14:20 |
| GAN800 | Say hello to the $500 water bill | 14:22 |
| GAN800 | Though, interestingly, you can get them to bill you the average of your last three instead if you get a letter from the pool company saying they had to fix a leak. | 14:23 |
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| aquatix | GAN800: ... you have a pool? | 14:24 |
| GAN800 | At my parents house. ;) | 14:26 |
| GAN800 | We just had our 50-year-old pool resurfaced. | 14:26 |
| aquatix | ah cool | 14:26 |
| johnx | so you got rid of the 50-year-old water as well? | 14:26 |
| aquatix | meh, now i've just raised the specs of my next house to include a pool as well ;) | 14:27 |
| * aquatix dreams on | 14:27 | |
| GAN800 | They can't resurface it wet. . . . | 14:27 |
| aquatix | ha | 14:27 |
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| Speedy2 | Hey all. Does anyone here use the Access Palm Emulator on their n810? I'm wondering about the performance. | 14:29 |
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| johnx | hi Speedy2. yeah I tried it a while back. it seems pretty fast | 14:31 |
| Speedy2 | johnx: Which device do you have, n810? | 14:33 |
| johnx | n800 | 14:33 |
| Speedy2 | Just curious, what apps did you try out? | 14:33 |
| johnx | just the included ones, memo, datebook, etc | 14:34 |
| Speedy2 | Gotcha. | 14:35 |
| Speedy2 | Thanks :) | 14:35 |
| johnx | for graphics heavy stuff it gets slower | 14:35 |
| Speedy2 | Hrm. I had the crazy idea of running TomTom on it | 14:35 |
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| johnx | would be interesting, give it a shot :) | 14:35 |
| Speedy2 | I don't have any Nokia tablets :/ | 14:36 |
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| * slonopotamus tried to order beagleboard, but got 'us export regulations' reject | 15:45 | |
| qwerty12 | Ouch. That's fucked up :( | 15:45 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | wow, harsh :P | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | where are you? | 15:46 |
| slonopotamus | russia | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | .. ah | 15:46 |
| slonopotamus | what? | 15:46 |
| qwerty12 | You may use the beagleboards to launch a planned missile strike on the US :D :P | 15:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | lol | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't know russia had us export regulations on eletronics :P | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | +c | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | but with the DSP you can make missiles.. :P | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | why it's ok for n8x0 but not for beagleboard? | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's a very good question | 15:47 |
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| slonopotamus | ah. nokia is in finland | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | one is exported from US, the other asia? :P | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | err | 15:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | My n810 is "made in Finland" | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | somewhere in europe | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | and mine | 15:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | all the parts are from china, but at least it is put together here =P | 15:48 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: Glad the patch worked | 15:48 |
| slonopotamus | so i'll have to use n8x0 for missile strike. | 15:49 |
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| qwerty12 | fiferboy, Yep, I'm about to send another version to the autobuilder (using quilt so people can see the changes easier!) :) | 15:49 |
| qwerty12 | I really want to start work on trying to fix 1.40 :( | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if there's anywhere nokia puts source packages for the stuff in tags/ | 15:49 |
| fiferboy | What was the uPNP problem in 1.40? | 15:49 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, Seems to be broken, it won't connect to the router and forward ports. I even tried using the upnp code from 1.34 slotted into 1.40 and it still wouldn't work :/ | 15:50 |
| fiferboy | Strange. Have you heard whether this is a problem on the desktop too? Or does it seem to be tablet specific? | 15:51 |
| qwerty12 | Tablet specific from what I can tell because 1.40 on the desktop forwards ports fine :/ | 15:51 |
| fiferboy | Even stranger. | 15:51 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: When is transmission going to the auto-builder? | 16:23 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, already been sent :) | 16:23 |
| qwerty12 | It's already built afaik | 16:23 |
| qwerty12 | just waiting for the debs to slide over to extras-devel... | 16:23 |
| fiferboy | Ah, but not promted. Gotcha | 16:24 |
| qwerty12 | I forgot to change the Maemo-Upgrade-Description. Ah well :P | 16:24 |
| fiferboy | There's always something | 16:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Grr, it's being slow. I'm still waiting for transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2_armel.deb to be transferred to extras-devel :/ | 16:27 |
| fiferboy | That does seem slower than usual. Maybe the servers are full from Amerian Thanksgiving dinner | 16:28 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 16:28 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 16:28 |
| aquatix | Server error: stuffed | 16:29 |
| aquatix | ;) | 16:29 |
| fiferboy | :D | 16:29 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe mikkov is making it scream with the boost builds :P | 16:29 |
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| fiferboy | Hopefully | 16:29 |
| fiferboy | Although nothing shows in the autobuilder queue | 16:29 |
| qwerty12 | There we go! http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/t/transmission/transmission_1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2_armel.deb | 16:29 |
| qwerty12 | Be nice if i386 builds could be disabled... I don't see the point in a i386 build of transmission... | 16:30 |
| fiferboy | mikkov said something about building boost serialization for just armel | 16:30 |
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| fiferboy | Maybe if you speify the architecture in the control file? | 16:31 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I saw the log, dh_pythonsomething messed up on serialisation :/ | 16:31 |
| fiferboy | It would be nice if we had a debian packaging master to tell us things like this | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's a good way to see if things screw up horridly before getting the big machinery out | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| johnx | the little machinery? | 16:31 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I *never* use the DIABLO_I386 target in my sbox :P | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well, ok, in my language it is like the expression "big guns" :P | 16:32 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: i386 is good for memory testing, because some of the tools don't work in armel in sb | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | wow, nokia's sure taking a beating on OS practices atm | 16:32 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, ah... good point | 16:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, right, I get what you mean. I was just having fun cause an ARM board is really the smaller machine :) | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's a lot of dislike in those threads O_o | 16:33 |
| johnx | you weren't here for the 770 -> N800 transition, were you? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | it must have been even worse | 16:33 |
| johnx | people don't like being told "your product isn't supported anymore, go spend $400+ on a new one" | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | which is why it could be a benefit for nokia to seperate the HW and the SW :P | 16:35 |
| fiferboy | I stopped reading that thread | 16:35 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, and sell the SW separately? or commit to free updates for x years? | 16:35 |
| johnx | at the end of the day Nokia is *selling* *hardware* | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: well, system base should be OSS obviously.. and providing drivers like vendors do (wifi firmware, etc), .. and then sell some of their SW bundled with HW | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | on their own basis | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | along those lines | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | if their new SW requires new HW, so it does | 16:37 |
| qwerty12 | I wish dannym would fix the dependencies on his unzip-fm in extras-devel. I was looking at the code, seems really useful :( | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | rest of OS shouldn't have to be touched for it | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm working on the hildon-theme- packages btw | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | and getting them branched and uploaded | 16:37 |
| johnx | ah, sounds good, I'm doing a quick compile of hildon-desktop to see if the memory corruption fix solves my problem | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | for sapwood? | 16:38 |
| johnx | yeah | 16:38 |
| johnx | I guess I should just use one of the sapwood demos, huh? | 16:38 |
| johnx | <- duh | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | there's sapwood demos? :P | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | (didn't knwo that) | 16:39 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: Wow, you fix more than just adding my patch in this version | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | I was expecting a minor release | 16:40 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, it is really, just mainly to fix the things I forgot to hildonize :) | 16:40 |
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| johnx | well there were :/ | 16:40 |
| johnx | nope, top level of the source under "demos" | 16:41 |
| johnx | s/nope/yup/ | 16:42 |
| infobot | johnx meant: yup, top level of the source under "demos" | 16:42 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/11/20082811-russia-5800-launch-500.jpg | 16:44 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8373/5800salesstartmoscow2hi6.jpg | 16:44 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The packaging seems to be an attempt to simulate iPhone | 16:45 |
| aquatix | looks... wanted | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | "The sources of the Maemo platform and related Nokia developed open source applications are available at git.maemo.org. (planned) " | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Well, with 120 units only and the locals looking for a new status gadget, you can't go wrong | 16:46 |
| * johnx 's brain explodes from too man scms | 16:46 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:46 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah, but imo, a lot of these new touch screen phones without a keypad/little amount of buttons come off as iphone clones to me | 16:46 |
| * Stskeeps is unsure what he thinks of launchpad so far | 16:46 | |
| Stskeeps | so far it is just a bzr hosting service, and not a directly good one at it | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: And such they are. | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: But who gives a damn? Let us all thank Steve for pinching phone industry in the butt | 16:47 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 16:47 |
| johnx | I kind of like having buttons on my phone... | 16:47 |
| qwerty12 | Finland are selling it for €389 | 16:47 |
| * RST38h does not care for buttons as long as whatever replaces them is usable | 16:48 | |
| johnx | can't use it without staring at it = not usable | 16:48 |
| RST38h | johnx: a displayed button won't do? | 16:51 |
| johnx | I rely on tactile feedback so that I don't have to constantly look at my phone while typing on it | 16:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: a beeping or clicking on vibrating displayed button won't do either? | 16:52 |
| johnx | will I be able to find it with my thumb *before* clicking/activating it? | 16:53 |
| woglinde | gu | 16:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The price was 15000RUR ($545) and the 50 initial units were gone in 44 minutes. No advertising, no notice, nothing | 16:53 |
| johnx | This isn't the "did I hit it" question, it's the "Where is it?" question | 16:53 |
| woglinde | ups hi | 16:54 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, hehe | 16:54 |
| qwerty12 | hi woglinde | 16:54 |
| * RST38h smiles evilly and suggest making slight bumps at the screen surface where buttons will be shown | 16:54 | |
| johnx | or just leave the *$&%ing keypad alone | 16:54 |
| johnx | see, wasn't that easier? :) | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I want my datapad. | 16:55 |
| johnx | isn't there an apple store near you? :> | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Thankfully, no | 16:55 |
| johnx | I still wonder about all the hate for the iphone | 16:56 |
| RST38h | It is not the iphone, it is the users | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | Like one aquaintance of mine put it, "gays and whores" | 16:56 |
| johnx | ah, if I had to avoid products 'cause dumb people used them I'd be bare naked out in the street | 16:57 |
| johnx | "dumb people live in apartments and houses, so I can't" | 16:57 |
| RST38h | And people in general either hate those or at least do not want to be mixed with them | 16:57 |
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| johnx | I saw a dumb guy wearing a shirt once... | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: What you cite is really a counterargument used by apple nutcases | 16:58 |
| johnx | so basically people hate it because it's successful, and some geeks dislike it because of Apple's draconian "app store" policies | 16:58 |
| johnx | meh | 16:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: pretty simple one too - "you are either a looser or a nerd and I am a normal guy" | 16:59 |
| johnx | sorry, I don't buy into this hating things because of their users | 16:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, have you actually talked to any hardcore apple adepts? | 16:59 |
| johnx | yeah | 17:00 |
| RST38h | And you are still not buying it? | 17:00 |
| johnx | well, define "hardcore" | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Hardcore: Owns iPod, iPhone, iMac, and eager to tell everyone about it | 17:00 |
| johnx | I used to work at a place where all the computers were Apple, but it was for technical reasons, so I guess that doesn't count | 17:00 |
| RST38h | it does not | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Lots of US .edu sites were stocked with Macs in the 90s | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Apple had edu discounts and the lab setup was easy (unlike with PCs) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | ke-recv, "first steps taken for pcsuite support" | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | that's intruiging | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Nothing exciting. They want the tablet to talk to PCSuite | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | and a g_nokia | 17:02 |
| RST38h | PCSuite basically uses serial-over-USB protocol, it is written in Java, huge, unstable, nad better to be avoided | 17:02 |
| johnx | g_nokia, now that's pretty random : | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | RX-51 | 17:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: Btw a few days ago had to listen to a fanboy explaining that iPhone battery is non-replaceable to avoid people replacing it with exploding 3rd party one | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | that N900? | 17:03 |
| johnx | guess so | 17:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: And that bt data exchange is not being implemented to avoid VIRUSES | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | googleable stuff, yay | 17:04 |
| johnx | is that the first time we've seen an rx-** for it? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | first time i have | 17:04 |
| RST38h | let's ask google | 17:04 |
| qwerty12 | http://markmail.org/message/zt2epehzqppioet3 | 17:04 |
| qwerty12 | rx51 is there | 17:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm not arguing with you that people are stupid, but like I said, there are stupid people everywhere, using all products | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | RX-51: http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/AchatsVentes/Hardware/tablette-internet-bluooth-sujet_413158_1.htm | 17:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: These are not stupid. They are demented. | 17:05 |
| johnx | shades of grey | 17:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nope. Stupidity is not contagious, dementia is | 17:06 |
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| johnx | so let's just get this out in the open: you're afraid that if you buy an iphone you will become demented | 17:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: Actually, I am | 17:06 |
| johnx | and this somehow makes more sense than "OMG! viruses over bluetooth!"? | 17:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: (although I own an Apple BT keyboard and it did not made me go nuts so far :)) | 17:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, I haven't seen BT viruses so far but I have seen at least 3 of my friends buy apple stuff | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: And none of them escaped. | 17:08 |
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| johnx | are they happier now? | 17:08 |
| woglinde | hm maybee my nest task for maemo is | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: No idea, probably | 17:08 |
| woglinde | to get cacao in extras-devel | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: But way creepier to talk to | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm curious over af-startup no longer having matchbox in it | 17:09 |
| johnx | maybe you just need to drink the proverbial koolaid and join the cult? | 17:09 |
| RST38h | johnx <-- evil | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. what on earth is source_if_is? | 17:09 |
| johnx | heh | 17:10 |
| johnx | don't read that. that's the true cause of dementia | 17:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: Naah, aside from the mental danger, iPhone just plain does not do what I use my phone for | 17:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: But if N9x0 finally becomes an iphone-like tablet, I will buy it indeed | 17:11 |
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| johnx | I'm still coming out with mixed feelings an environment like maemo as a phone | 17:11 |
| johnx | users adding random daemons and long-running programs in a non-managed way, combined with the need for 24/7 stability and battery life | 17:12 |
| johnx | or did you mean "iphone like, without the phone"? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | Preparing the plugin for animated video thumbnails | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | dear god. :P | 17:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: does not matter much to me | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | (apologies to the writer who is in here) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: Won't hold the whole pad to my ear anyway and I do not particularly like headsets | 17:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, wow. I think some of this is beyond even desktop linux O_o | 17:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: But if you worry about stablity, battery life, etc, just look at WinMobile :) | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Whatever Nokia does to Maemo is going to be better than THAT thing | 17:14 |
| johnx | well yes, that goes without saying | 17:15 |
| johnx | but WinMo is the one platform I won't make any apologies for | 17:15 |
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| jaska | id take winmo over symbian any day tho | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | Still it is being used in phones and so far it is not dead | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woo, "through noreturn functions work on ARM with gcc-4.2.1" | 17:16 |
| RST38h | jaska: Sorry, I would rather use Symbian | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | gcc4 \o/ | 17:16 |
| jaska | why sorry?:) | 17:19 |
| RST38h | 'cause Symbian is not exactly a paramount of perfection either | 17:19 |
| jaska | heh, i hope they dump it for linux eventually so i dont have to buy htc phones | 17:19 |
| RST38h | But at least it works | 17:19 |
| RST38h | What's wrong with Symbian? | 17:20 |
| jaska | all that symbian signed crap etc. | 17:20 |
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| jaska | and the symbian c++ stuff is naaasty | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | it's ok when you understand it | 17:22 |
| RST38h | heavy handed but ok and seems to work | 17:23 |
| jaska | i just see no excuse for not allowing the owner of a device run whatever he wants | 17:23 |
| RST38h | wince is basically a bastardized win95 quickly and dirtily ported to arm though | 17:23 |
| jaska | i dont love wince either, its just the lesser evil of the two for me | 17:23 |
| inz | If there's an event involved with symbian, I really hope it's name ends 'L'... | 17:23 |
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| woglinde | RST38h to ppc and mips too | 17:24 |
| RST38h | jaska: in practice, self signed apps get pretty much all the rights you would need for a non-system-level app | 17:24 |
| RST38h | woglinde: yea, but those died rather quickly | 17:24 |
| RST38h | mips version is still being supported, kinda, but not actively developed or used | 17:25 |
| jaska | agree to disagree?:P | 17:25 |
| jaska | as its somewhat ot and going nowhere | 17:25 |
| johnx | I had to support WinMo phones in a previous job. Never. Again. | 17:25 |
| woglinde | johnx he you got a handy board support package | 17:26 |
| johnx | ha! I didn't even get one of my own to play with | 17:26 |
| johnx | it was just "these people need their new WinMo phones to sync with their Macs" | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | the funniest thing is that some nokia people when you whine to them about symbian signed being crap/not working/offline/timing out, they sometimes tell you to jailbreak your phone and get around the symbiansigned stuff permanently :) | 17:27 |
| johnx | and then to top it off the things had random bugs, failures in addition | 17:27 |
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| * RST38h sincerely hopes Nokia will take the Symbian Signed crap away now | 17:29 | |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, +1 | 17:29 |
| RST38h | It did nothing but provide income stream for Symbian | 17:29 |
| RST38h | undeserved income too | 17:29 |
| Olly | :) | 17:29 |
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| Khertan_45872 | Hello ! | 17:32 |
| johnx | hello Khertan clone #45872 | 17:34 |
| johnx | how is #48573 doing today? | 17:34 |
| Khertan_45872 | #48573 command unknow | 17:35 |
| Khertan_45872 | :) | 17:35 |
| Khertan_45872 | I'm fine and you ? | 17:35 |
| johnx | pretty good | 17:35 |
| johnx | about to get some sleep | 17:35 |
| Khertan_45872 | héhé | 17:35 |
| * Khertan_45872 have just get is new phone | 17:36 | |
| johnx | working better than the old one? | 17:36 |
| * Khertan_45872 must wait until 5 December before the line will be activated | 17:36 | |
| Khertan_45872 | Johnx > don't know yet | 17:36 |
| Khertan_45872 | johnx> but the problem wasn't the phone ... but the ISP. | 17:37 |
| Khertan_45872 | and i change the both :) | 17:37 |
| johnx | ah, well that's a good start | 17:37 |
| johnx | I hope this one works out better | 17:37 |
| Khertan_45872 | yep ... hoping it ll be better | 17:37 |
| Khertan_45872 | i ve now a 6500Slide ... | 17:38 |
| Khertan_45872 | not a bad phone | 17:38 |
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| Khertan_45872 | i like it to be honest | 17:38 |
| Khertan_45872 | simple | 17:38 |
| Khertan_45872 | and nice | 17:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, tried the latest sapwood sapwood from svn with gtk from mer: ./buttonbox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open | 17:38 |
| johnx | is that gtk from trunk? or tag? | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | hah, synaptic actually compiles... | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: get glib too | 17:41 |
| johnx | good call | 17:42 |
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| johnx | ssh'ed into too many different "ubuntu armel jaunty" machines O_o | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:42 |
| * Stskeeps groans about bzr | 17:42 | |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure he likes either bzr or launchpad | 17:43 | |
| johnx | well it runs, still the same obscure message | 17:45 |
| johnx | I mean the sapwood error I've been seeing | 17:46 |
| johnx | anyways, time for bed | 17:46 |
| johnx | 'night all | 17:46 |
| aquatix | johnx: nn | 17:46 |
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| GAN800 | Refusing to provide an option to disable screen dimming . . . nice | 18:19 |
| GAN800 | "The problem really is that our implementation isn't good enough! | 18:19 |
| GAN800 | "We'll make it awesome. Swear!" | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | OHM, i believe | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | (and that i'm willing to bet DSME will not have screen dimming as part of it's functionality) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | as that'd be transferred to ohm prolly :P | 18:25 |
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| GAN800 | brightness is diferentiation | 18:30 |
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| GAN800 | So it'll be closee. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | s/ee/ed/ | 18:30 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: So it'll be closed. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | yay. :P | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | That's why they moved it out of dsme to mce | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | Where the fuck is DSME? | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | good question, think they're waiting to coincide it with OHM | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | lol @ the Fremantle thread | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | that thread is really going toxic | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | it was supposed to be out after the Summit. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | but i hope git.maemo.org, mer and other projects start seeing more community patches etc | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | It dragged out all the retards to contibute their two cents of idiocy. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | start seeing = make maemo start seeing | 18:32 |
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| woglinde | re | 18:35 |
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| * Jaffa *tries* to inject some sense into the thread :) | 19:02 | |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, unpossible. | 19:07 |
| * Jaffa makes GAN800 fail English | 19:08 | |
| * aquatix plays the mission: unpossible theme | 19:08 | |
| aquatix | (rather similar to the mission: impossible one) | 19:08 |
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| GAN800 | Not a typo. | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | /nick GAN800 RalphW | 19:12 |
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| GAN800 | Even more impossible than impossible. | 19:13 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, I think the problem really is is that they're not as far along on the five stages as we are. :p | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | I've moved on to bargainning 'Let's make a deal . . .' and they're still stuck on anger. ;) | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | heh | 19:20 |
| * Jaffa 's done anger, and now's just itching for some fun new hardware | 19:20 | |
| Jaffa | Especially after seeing the Movial OMAP3430 demo from April | 19:20 |
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| GAN800 | Hehe | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | OMAP3 is terrifying | 19:20 |
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| GAN800 | There's at least one thing to be said for the mobile space these days: it sure is exciting. | 19:21 |
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| Jaffa | Blimey. Jaffa Jr. is using the scrollwheel on his mouse. | 19:23 |
| woglinde | jaffa haha woglinde jr. is using the scrollwheel of my mouse | 19:24 |
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| Jaffa | woglinde: how old is your jr? | 19:27 |
| woglinde | 2 years and 4 month | 19:27 |
| lopz | hola | 19:27 |
| Ro9u3oR | can someone help? i installed usb control but its not working when i connect to the usb port of my n800 | 19:28 |
| woglinde | Ro9u3oR I think this applet os broken | 19:29 |
| * Jaffa 's is 2.75 | 19:29 | |
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| woglinde | jaffa but since 2 weeks he likes the number 5 | 19:30 |
| woglinde | he is searching it on all tinks | 19:30 |
| woglinde | things | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | heh | 19:30 |
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| Ro9u3oR | how can i get it working wog? | 19:31 |
| woglinde | Ro9u3oR dont know | 19:31 |
| woglinde | didnt look at the code | 19:31 |
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| Ro9u3oR | is the usbcontrol app the same as the one in the respiratory | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone with launchpad/git/bazaar experience? :P | 20:15 |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps: what kind of experience? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | does "using them for 5 minutes" count? | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe. i guess :P which one would seem most appealing for contributing to Maemo like projects? | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | not garage.maemo.org? | 20:29 |
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| mgedmin | the sourceforge-like UI is horrible, yes, but it's sort of the unofficial official place for it | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | launchpad isn't too bad, e.g. the bug tracker doesn't suck so much as the one on garage | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | git is faster and more stable, but is, perhaps, a bit harder to use sometimes than bzr | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | if you want source hosting on launchpad, that may be a reason to use bzr | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's say you want to contribute to let's say, hildon application manager, - would you then branch the HAM repository and upload your branch to somewhere? how many steps are acceptable? (i mean, compared to uploading your branch to a public_html or the likes, instead of making a launchpad account, etc..) :P | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | publishing a git branch is a huge pain, compared to publishing a bzr branch | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | I suppose it depends on how much effort you want to invest in learning the tool | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | if you want something easy to use, use bzr | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | if you want something powerful, use git, and expect to be frustrated initially | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | in the past bzr used to frustrate me a lot with its bugs | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | having your branch rendered unusable is not fun | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | and it's not fun when it happens the second time, a year later, after assurances from bzr fanboys claiming all bugs of that kind have been fixed for years and now it's really really stable | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | and when it happens the *third* time another year later, you're pretty pissed off | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | at least I was | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | but that was also about 6 months ago and I haven't tried bzr since | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | maybe they fixed everything (ha) | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | or maybe I'm just good at triggering bugs | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | i have same issue, like, branching from svn, then figuring out there's settings of the branch structure, and your existing branches can't pull from their upstream :P | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | interop with svn opens a whole new can of worms | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | and they're all crawling around | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 21:52 |
| aquatix | !coffee RST38h | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ~curse bzr | 21:54 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bzr ! | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | what's new & exciting? | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | not much | 22:30 |
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| konttori_ | xorAxAx: thanks for the interesting info about the pypy guys. Yeah, psyco is 386 only. Works wonders on python code though. Doubled the perf of my test case. | 23:17 |
| konttori_ | just by including two lines of code. | 23:17 |
| konttori_ | import psyco and psyco.full() | 23:18 |
| konttori_ | but, yeah, pypy should be interesting as well. the psyco guy has also joined pypy forces as far as I know | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. pypy really has a lot of potential | 23:23 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: you just did | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:34 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what g_nokia.ko will do | 23:34 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, ORLY? hehe, i'll give you the point ;) but prouncing it sounds odd :p | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i think you know :p | 23:35 |
| aquatix | yep | 23:36 |
| aquatix | i say it like pie pie | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. well, ok, implement pc suite protocol | 23:36 |
| aquatix | hmmmm, pie... | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | (does this mean sane sync?) | 23:36 |
| * qwerty12_N800 makes a note to get transmission to use the default hildon icons, gtk ones suck | 23:37 | |
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| * Stskeeps wonders why on earth maemo gets booted into while charging, instead of doing it in initfs.. | 23:38 | |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: do you really want to know? :P sometimes ignorance is quite a bliss :) | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i hoped it was cos then it would be instant to switch from charging mode to maemo actually running, but it doesn't seem to do that.. also, initfs size could be a factor | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | .. or worst, they want to use sound when it's charged | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:40 |
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| konttori_ | probably some parts of power management are done at kernel level | 23:48 |
| konttori_ | and by power management, I mean charging management | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i was talking about it from UI point of view | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | that the charging animation actually happens inside X | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:49 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: you see the text below animation? | 23:52 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: now consider the initfs has uClibc without locales.. | 23:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hah >.< | 23:53 |
| RST38h | An Italian right-wing party is offering 1500 euros to parents who name their babies after wartime fascist dictator Benito Mussolini or his wife Rachele, saying their names are under threat. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: ah. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yes, some things i'd not like to know | 23:55 |
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| RST38h | A worker at a Wal-Mart in Long Island, New York, was killed when a throng of shoppers broke down the doors to the store early this morning and knocked him to the ground. | 23:56 |
| doc|home | really? | 23:57 |
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