IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-11-27

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soapAnyone know where I can buy a N8x0 case @ retail in the USA?00:04
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`0660qwerty12_N800, that makes sense :)00:06
Proteoussoap, a nokia store maybe00:06
lcuksoap, not sure the 800 and 810 are compatible size wise (my 810 slips out of 800 case, but as for where to get one im not sure00:06
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lcuki also use an old leather pda case-  take your nokia to bag store and see if you can find something to suit00:06
soapYea, haven't decided if I want a zip-shut bag or a flip case of some sort.00:09
Proteouscases are for weenies00:10
ProteousI just carry mine around caseless in my pocket00:10
qwerty12_N800well, the 2nd sentence00:10
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Myrttisoap: look in Etsy00:13
soapyou mean the handmade site?00:16
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l7darn, i wish i'd thought to try to find a clearance n800 case01:10
l7probably too late now01:11
l7there used to be an interesting leather flip case online, and nokia also had one01:11
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l7kinda pricey considering that the default suede slip cas works ok01:12
l7soap: also, the case for the stowaway keyboard fits the n800 really well01:12
l7it has some really nice padding too01:12
l7nintendo DS cases also work pretty well and i think they can be cheap, like under twenty dollars01:13
johnxgot mine for $3 :)01:13
johnxit's a really basic zip case that just holds the n800 perfectly01:13
l7nice, what kind of case is it?01:14
l7i've seen those generic case logic type cases at frys for under ten dollars a long time ago01:14
johnxit's even more generic01:15
johnxdoesn't even have a brand name on it :)01:15
l7heh, where did you find it?01:15
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johnxoutside a random local shop in the sale bin01:15
l7i think you can find nice deals on generic cases in chinatown or other similiar areas with a lot of cheap imports, depending on your location01:16
l7the only downside to stealing the keyboard's case is that the keyboard now lacks a case01:16
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l7you can also stuff the n800 into checkbook style wallets01:17
l7or those oversize travel information wallets01:17
l7otterbox makes a very sturdy waterproof case you can put the n800 into also01:21
lcuki keep my nokias in a big waterproof case01:23
lcukits rare they leave the house ;) but sometimes they go in the car01:23
l7what brand of case is it?01:23
l7yeah, i have to say i don't really carry my n800 around much01:23
l7it probably is good for watching movies while waiting at the airport though01:24
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l7though it needs a bit more battery power01:24
mavhcI want a hardish case that stays on all the time, at the front flips over to form a stand, instead of using the n810's built in stand01:26
l7thoughtfix did a review on a leather case that is like that for the n80001:27
l7maybe there's a similiar model for your unit01:27
lcukthe one for my fujitsu loox is great, its leath and hard sided velcro topped thing, i keep it in pocket with the flap open (the velcro keeps it in pocket) and I slip my 810 in and out of it as required01:30
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mavhc ?01:31
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l7what's a fujitsu lox?01:35
l7attaching a piece of velcro to the case to keep it from slipping out of your pocket is a neat idea01:35
l7mavhc: yeah the proporta case01:35
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lcukl7, brand of pda, the velcro is the flap cover, i just keep the flap open and the velcro is on the outside of the case, hang on a tick ill find a pic01:40
l7ah cool01:42
lcukflap opens over the top01:42
lcukMyrtti, you need sleeping pills01:43
MyrttiI was planning to have a valerian01:44
l7valerian is good01:44
l7melatonin works nicely too01:44
l7or valium!01:44
Myrttimelatonin is prescription drug here01:45
Myrttivalerian is otc01:45
l7lcuk: what is the small black object next to the case? belt clip?01:45
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lcukyeah - detachable, dont think i ever clipped it on01:45
l7Myrtti: hrm, where do you live?01:45
l7melatonin is OTC here in the US01:46
Myrttil7: Finland01:46
l7i wonder if it's safe if it's prescription only in some places01:46
Myrttiotoh, they sell milk milked from cows in the night in the grocery store01:46
l7ah, the land of nokia :)01:47
Myrttithat stuff has higher melatonin content01:47
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l7do they inject the cows with melatonin? or is the milk just naturally higher because they were milked at night?01:47
Myrttinaturally higher01:48
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l7that makes sense, i imagine they don't inject weird hormones into cows there as much01:48
l7like they do here01:48
l7weird that they would restrict melatonin OTC and then not regulate the milk if it has significant levels of melatonin01:49
Myrttiwell, it probably still hasn't got too high levels01:50
soapThe new iPaq 211 is exactly the same size as the N810, FWIW.01:54
l7are those ipaq cases still being sold new?02:11
l7if they're cheaper it might be a nice deal02:12
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l7has anyone noticed a difference between the internal and external slot on the n800 in terms of performanceeeeee or reliability, etc?02:22
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Proteousyeah, my external slot is filled with pocket lint, it seems to slow the transfer speed down to about 002:30
johnxI usually put sd cards in it instead of pocket lint, but it's your choice02:34
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ProteousI tried to put an sd card in there but the lint got in the way02:37
Proteousthen I tried a microSDHC card02:37
Proteousit fit but it wouldn't mount02:37
johnxheh :P02:37
l7if you're that paranoid about lint you could put some tape around the external slot02:38
johnxto keep the lint from getting out? :D02:39
ProteousI just shrinkwrapped my whole IT02:39
soapI haven't seen any read/write numbers on the internal memory, but I would hope it is decently (>10MB/s) fast.02:39
l7to keep the linux from getting out :)02:39
l7i heard somewhere that linux will escape into the wild or get into your other devices if you're not careful02:40
johnxit's because the GPL is a viral license02:40
johnxsoap, I think it's a little lower02:40
l7maybe the GPL has cooties02:40
l7freedom cooties02:41
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zakkmhow usable is Maemo-R on a user level?02:45
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johnxzakkm, right now? for normal users? not really usable yet02:46
zakkmheard deblet gives really poor battery life02:46
zakkmand battery life is really important to me, so i dont want to use that02:46
zakkmi mean after install...02:46
zakkmim sure its alot of dev stuff to get it installed.. but i mean like does things work and stuff02:47
johnxit's a problem of lots of things running that keep the CPU awake02:47
johnxand the answer is no, it's less usable than deblet right now02:47
zakkmi want to use fvwm-crystal, and deblet seemed so nice02:47
johnxheh...the problem is all the user software running that keeps the CPU awake02:48
zakkmbut GeneralAntilles said the battery life on idle is only like 12 hours02:48
zakkmso fvwm-crystal will be fine you think?02:48
johnxin fact fvwm might even be one of the contributing factors02:48
zakkmnot that hungry02:48
johnxit's not a question of CPU usage02:48
johnxthink about it this way: 100% CPU usage in 1 second wastes less power than 1% constantly for 100 seconds02:48
johnxthat low grade constant usage is what shortens the standby time02:49
zakkmwhat about a shorter timing?02:49
johnxNokia has spent a lot of time optimizing the software in maemo to not wake up the CPU when it's not needed02:49
zakkmso its totally hopeless?02:49
johnxwell, you could use software suspend in deblet02:50
johnxinstead of leaving the tablet on all the time you could use "suspend to ram"02:50
zakkmi saw a old fvwm-crystal in show your screenshots ( vnc of course.. ) and it looked so cool, used it on desktop quite a bit02:50
zakkmand i bought my n800, hoping one day i could use it02:50
zakkmwouldnt that take alot of cpu to use?02:50
zakkmthe "suspend to ram" takes awhile doesnt it?02:51
johnx"suspend to ram" ... not really. it would take maybe up to 5 seconds02:51
johnxI think it's less though02:51
zakkmis maemo reconstruct going to have proper battery life, sorry with the 20 questions.02:52
johnxno way to tell until it's done02:52
johnxbut that is the goal02:52
zakkmi really want to use fvwm-crystal :(02:53
johnxhave you tried it?02:53
zakkmon desktop, roughly a year ago02:53
zakkmnever on nokia02:53
johnxI mean, have you tried using desktop software on a tiny touchscreen with your fingers02:53
johnxto be honest it's a pain02:53
zakkmi stay away from abiword and stuff02:53
zakkmthats why i want a wm, not a DE :P02:53
zakkmi think gnome is ridicous on it ;p02:54
zakkmbut i thought a WM wouldnt be half bad02:54
johnxnot the processing power required, but actually interacting with it02:54
zakkmi know, thats what im talking about02:54
zakkmgnome and stuff requrie alot of screen space, WM's dont ;p02:55
johnxright, and I'm saying that using a normal WM with a finger or stylus is a pain :)02:55
zakkmi lost my stylus02:55
johnxnever had one myself02:55
zakkmso i have to use finger, though i always did anyways02:55
zakkmwould you happen to know, if i have a download going in microb02:56
johnxlooking at fvwm-crystal, I think it would be a huge pain to try and use that with my fingers. lxde/openbox is pretty similar02:56
zakkmhow i can close the window of the site, and keep the download going02:56
zakkmopenbox is empty first of all02:56
zakkmlxde is a desktop ;p02:56
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johnxyeah, it takes up about as much screen space as fvwm-crystal02:57
johnxand I think you have to leave at least one microb window open02:57
johnxthat would be insane to use on an actual tablet :)02:58
zakkmthat was the one on the itt forum02:58
johnxall those tiny buttons02:58
zakkmmaemo is getting boring ;p02:58
johnxthe only problem is it's just better than the alternatives02:59
johnxjust *try* deblet and install fvwm-crystal and if you actually enjoy it, then worry about how to work on battery life02:59
johnxsome kind of "suspend-to-RAM" setup should be completely possible03:00
zakkmwould take alot to try, just the way i dont have wifi at home and stuff03:00
johnxthen I guess you're out of luck03:00
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joyiousHi, could some tell me does n810 support overlay framebuffer ?04:55
johnxI believe so04:56
joyiousjohnx: Can you tell me more about this ?04:58
johnxI'm afraid I don't know very much about it05:00
joyiousOh, all right, I guess maybe i have to read the source code05:01
johnxdepending on what you want to do, there might be a library already available05:02
joyiousI just what to playing some video and show the ui on top of it05:03
johnxlibxv might be good to look at05:04
joyiousBut I'm not using X here, we are using directfb on n81005:05
johnxin that case you might want to look at the maemo mplayer source code. I believe it can output directly to the framebuffer, so it likely has similar code to what you're working on05:08
joyiousthanks a lot, i'll check that05:10
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soapanyone use one of these cases?05:18
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fiferboyqwerty12_N800: You keep fixing bugs faster than I can05:31
johnxyeah, he does that to everyone O_o05:32
fiferboyIt's not fair!  I want to patch transmission05:32
johnxyou need to find projects he's not interested in and then don't tell him about them05:33
johnxthat's about the only way I think :)05:33
fiferboyI would try to fix things when he's asleep, but I don't think he sleeps05:34
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1209:06
qwerty12hey, morning Stskeeps09:06
* Stskeeps retries building hildon-thumbnail09:06
Stskeepsdoing things by the book sure takes time.09:06
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Stskeepsqwerty12: what really confirms your intelligence is posts like this:
qwerty12Well, to be fair, he is 3 years younger than me :)09:13
qwerty12(apologies if I come off as conceited)09:13
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Stskeepsbut yeah, logs from 13 to 15 of me on irc was miles apart09:14
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RST38hAnyone needs confirming his intelligence?09:16
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* Stskeeps had a lousy coder self esteem when he was growing up09:17
Stskeepswhich is why i grew up to be a karma whore09:17
RST38hDo you at least do it for lulz? =)09:24
Stskeepsfame and fortune09:24
* Stskeeps curses ubuntu's old vala version09:25
Myrttidear GOD what am I doing awake09:26
Myrttino, wait. it's already 0930 EET09:26
Myrttinvm, continue09:27
hahlobitwhat is average age of tableteers? seems young09:27
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Stskeepshahlobit: a poll on iTT seems like it's quite evenly distributed09:28
hahlobiti just turned 50 and hardly see these small letters in deblet's xterm :P09:29
Myrttihahlobit: ah, 50. I was just about to have my age crisis again.09:30
Stskeepsit isn't exactly optimized for small displays :P09:30
Myrttithanks for making me feel young.09:30
StskeepsMyrtti: 40?09:30
* Stskeeps ducks from flying objects09:30
hahlobitMyrtti: is young and beautiful09:32
* Myrtti starts to throw inanimate objects, starting from "Learning Python"-book to wrinkle cream bottles and huge scented candles09:32
Myrttihahlobit: thank you ^___^09:32
Stskeepsoh, a learning python book wouldn't be bad :P09:33
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* Myrtti chucks a bag full of guinea pig poo, emacs pocket reference and some feminist literature too09:35
* Stskeeps puts on some slagsmålsklubben and gets ready for several hours of HCI report writing..:(09:37
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: maemos gtk conflicts with lxdes packages :(09:37
StskeepsMeiz_n810: thought so09:38
StskeepsMeiz_n810: how btw?09:38
Stskeepsplease do document09:38
Meiz_n810check jaiku09:38
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Stskeepsoh, you need to have the glib from maemo too09:38
Stskeeps(why of all things they didn't contibute that part to upstream, i'm not sure.)09:39
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Meiz_n810if its only that, i'll remove that jaiku?09:39
Stskeepsyeah, fine09:39
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Myrttijaiku? jaiku? where is a jaiku? oh. Browser. Does it really show I've slept only two hours? no. sorry.09:42
* Myrtti sips more coffee09:42
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* Stskeeps hums along to nine inch nails - la mer10:19
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Myrttithank Gaia, I didn't kill the conversation10:22
Stskeepsi went to get coffee10:23
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
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makakHi !10:55
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* Stskeeps ponders if mamona devel stalled completely11:05
RST38hHehe, Nokia has announced the first crisis-related change of plans11:10
RST38hAnd the victim is... (guess)11:10
StskeepsRST38h: maemo? :P11:11
RST38hIncredibly, no11:11
X-FadeJapan :)11:11
RST38hX-Fade <-- read his Gizmodo, apparently11:12
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X-FadeRST38h: No, engadget ;)11:12
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RST38h...and Christmas in Somali:
Stskeepsjapanese christmas, too11:14
RST38hJapanese is here: (notice the difference: NO GUN)11:14
Stskeeps <- talk about addiction..11:14
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RST38hSts: The real question is: Is this going to be easier for him than making Congress declare war on Iraq? =)11:16
Stskeepsgive him a tablet.. :P11:16
RST38hbtw, not a bad solution11:17
RST38hat least if they have got a wifi router nearby11:17
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Myrttiblackberry ewwwww11:18
RST38his it still Java only and uses text console for some of its apps?11:20
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inzMyrtti, you do know they come in pink?11:30
Myrttiinz: blackberry ewww.11:30
MyrttiAsus One also comes in pink. I still want a Dell mini.11:31
Myrttior MSI wind.11:31
Myrtti(which also come in pink)11:31
aquatixooh, netbooks11:33
aquatixMyrtti: be sure to try the keyboard before you buy one11:34
aquatixi noticed some have really crappy (read: slightly too small) keyboards11:34
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RST38hhow can it have a large keyboard?11:45
RST38hjust buy yourself a real subnotebook11:45
aquatixRST38h: well, of course it depends on the size of the netbook, but for example to 10" Acer One has a way better kb than the 10" Eee imho11:47
aquatixbut maybe it was the 9" Eee i tried (they looked about as large though)11:48
RST38honly the LCD size changes11:50
RST38hthey have all got a huge bezel though11:50
RST38halmost as ugly as Lenovo Thinkpads11:51
Meiz_n810Aspire one has crap batterylife11:58
aquatixthe Samsung NC10 seems really nice11:58
aquatixas in: decent design, *good* battery life11:58
* aquatix might get one11:59
makakI have a kohjinsha for myself, and if it has a 7" lcd screen, it has a really good keyboard for its size ... so, the size of a keyboard don't make the whole thing11:59
RST38haquatix: Toshiba R60011:59
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RST38haquatix: lighter than most "netbooks" and a real computer too11:59
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* aquatix was looking at the Dell XPS M1330 yesterday12:02
aquatix13" regular laptop12:02
aquatixcomes with Ubuntu even :)12:02
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RST38hregular as in "4+ pounds"?12:07
RST38hWeight: Starting at 3.97 lbs, Height: 2.31cm  3.38cm -- naaah12:11
aquatixyeah, but that's of course not the same class as a netbook12:13
RST38hToo heavy, too large12:14
aquatixit'll be an interesting candidate for replacing my 4.5 year old 15" laptop though12:14
aquatixdepends really12:14
RST38hNope. 4lbs is too heavy :)12:14
RST38hEspecially after you used a 2lbs laptop12:14
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aquatixexcept that you can't work for 8 hours straight on a 2lbs laptop without inducing all kinds of pains12:15
aquatixi can work all day for weeks on this 15" machine12:15
RST38hI can12:16
RST38hThe Porteges have a full sized keyboard, they are no netbooks12:16
RST38hJust very thin and light12:16
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aquatixthat sounds ok12:21
aquatixthey're a tad expensive though12:21
aquatixi also like the Samsung X360:
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aquatix2.8lbs is fine with me12:23
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aquatixRST38h: you have an ssd in yours?12:27
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aquatixRST38h: what battery life does it have in real life btw?12:28
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johnxmornin' lardman13:16
lardmanhi johnx13:16
Stskeepsmorning johnx13:17
johnxah, hello Stskeeps13:17
Myrttico-co-combo braker13:17
johnxrebasing to jaunty to see if somehow sapwood magically works on my zaurus now13:18
* Stskeeps is doing focus shift analysis for HCI course :(13:18
Stskeepsand compiling away on osso-gwobex13:18
johnxand I might try to get bluetooth networking up on my wii. anything that just sits there in standby so often should at least be a build box13:19
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Stskeepsi'm getting closer to where you have the experience of the packages.. and i just made something to speed up armel builder a bit (disable man page building..)13:21
johnxdoes that actually save much time?13:22
Stskeepsyeah, cos man page building tages ages13:22
Stskeepsi run with clean chroots so13:22
johnxyeah, that hurts, but you really need it13:23
Stskeepsthe ways is basically, bzr branch <maemo svn>, verify if they have, add autoconf, automake, libtool to build-dep's and make sure they call autoconf before ./configure, add changelog entry, bzr commit -m "change message", bzr push lp:~johnx/m-r/<package name> .. and tell 'build lp:~johnx/m-r/<package name> <source pkg name>' on #merbuilder13:23
Stskeepswell it's obviously needed in user interfacing, but not in a buildd :)13:23
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johnxalright, I'll start picking up packaging again in a bit13:24
johnxthanks for the executive summary :)13:24
Stskeepscall autoconf = call autogen.sh13:24
johnxah, right13:25
Stskeepsi've had to resort to 3.0.9 of hildon thumbnail as the current package is a bit broken (and unreleased)13:28
Stskeepswoo, osso-gwobex done for armel13:28
Stskeepsi can recommend working out of a jaunty debootstrap on i38613:29
Stskeepsin a chroot13:29
Stskeepssaves time in checking if things build /build-deps are satisfiable, etc13:29
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`Macegood evening13:33
`Macemorning.. whatever13:33
`Macehi Stskeeps13:33
Stskeepsjohnx: also a bomb isn't always fatal on armel builder - sometimes there are just not any arch-dep package to build13:33
Stskeeps(i386 takes care of this)13:33
Stskeepsthe indep ones13:34
`Macemy poor p3/500 is getting hammered right now :)13:34
`Macewait... DUAL p3/50013:34
Stskeepswhat are you doing to it?13:34
`Maceyou don't even want to know13:34
`Mace:) too much.. little thing is a champ tho13:34
* Stskeeps is building quite a bit on i386 and qemu builder13:35
`Macethat reminds me.. i need to set up my page13:35
Stskeeps`Mace: were you Macer or how was it?13:35
`Macei was going to wait until january tho13:35
Stskeepsah, alright13:35
`Maceapache is up and running.. i've just been a lazy bastard.. i was going to wait until my son left to stay with his mother13:35
`Maceit's hard to work on a web site when you have to watch a 2 yr old by yourself ;)13:36
`Macei have the vhost all set up. the dir and space is there.. i just have to make the actual site13:37
`Macewhich i'm sure i'm horrible at :)13:37
`Maceit's probably going to look very bad haha13:37
Stskeepsgah.. power just went on my builder server13:38
Stskeepsand the rest of the hall13:38
`Macethat's why i got a monster ups13:38
Stskeeps`Mace: read what me and johnx and others are working on these days?13:38
`Macenot for a while.. i've kinda been out of things for a bit13:39
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`Macespending more time with my gf when i can13:39
Stskeepshehe.. mine is home this week too13:40
`Maceyou know... n800 or sex... it's an easy choice ;)13:40
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`Macemine is a chicago police officer13:40
`Maceshe's actually at work now... pulling over thanksgiving eve drunks13:40
Stskeeps..easy? :P13:40
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`Macefor me it is :) i don't th ink i've touched my n800 in 2 weeks13:41
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`Macei was going to buy a popcornhour a-110 and n810 soon... i think it's time to retire the n80013:41
Stskeeps , , ,
`Macemight just sell it to someone or put it up on ebay13:41
`Macethat's a lot of web sites :)13:42
Stskeeps-> Mer13:42
Stskeepser, Mace13:42
Stskeepsyeah, but brief to look through :P13:42
Stskeepslast page tells what Mer is13:42
Stskeepsdeblet successor, really :P13:42
aquatixStskeeps: gqview \o/13:43
Stskeepsaquatix: hehe, johnx's choice ;)13:43
aquatixmy fave on the desktop/laptop13:43
`Macewhy Mer? :)13:43
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aquatixtoolbar seems a bit off in that screenshot though13:43
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Stskeeps`Mace: Ocean in french, or 'More' in danish.. or a reference to Nine Inch Nails - La Mer13:43
Stskeepswe called it M-R before13:43
Stskeeps(short for Maemo Reconstructed, which we can't call it.)13:44
JaffaHmm, resolution of #3470 is intersting13:44
aquatixNiN \o/13:44
aquatixsorry, i'm off to work again already ;)13:44
`Macethat looks kinda ugly ;)13:45
* aquatix enqueues some NiN13:45
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Stskeeps`Mace: not polished13:45
`Macehaha.. i figured ;)13:45
aquatix`Mace: the font is a bit large too13:45
`Maceso what has happened to deblet?13:45
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Stskeeps`Mace: realization power management wasn't going to get better without acting like maemo13:45
`Maceso you are building ubuntu on top of maemo?13:46
Stskeepsnop, maemo on top of minimal ubuntu base13:46
Stskeepswe hope to be able to switch between maemo UI and desktop UI without issue13:46
`Maceyou should do it the other way around like PB's kde install ;)13:46
johnx`Mace, gqview isn't hildonized though I'd love it if someone did :)13:46
Stskeeps`Mace: that kde install is a hack :P13:47
Stskeepsin this case, it wouldn't require hacks13:47
`Maceheh.. but it works ;)13:47
Stskeepsalso we want mer on other devices than nokias13:47
Stskeepsi386.. Maemo/Hildon on TV. ;)13:47
aquatixjohnx: I second that13:47
`Maceeverything is controlled by maemo.. kde only replaces the desktop13:47
johnxand so you have all the same problems as maemo13:48
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`Maceyeah i suppose13:48
`Macebut then again there are problems no matter what you use ;)13:48
`MacePB's kde install basically turned the n800 into a desktop capable of running koffice13:49
johnxof course. it's all about finding the compromises you're willing to make13:49
`Maceonly reason i got rid of it was because there was no way to have a plain base install and add what you wanted .. he kinda lumped it into one giant install with everything under the son13:49
`Maceit printed with cups ;)  heh13:50
`Maceif ooffice wouldn't murder an n800 it would be interesting to see how that would work13:50
johnxeh, I even use abiword on my desktop these days13:50
* aquatix uses latex and gnumeric ;)13:50
* Stskeeps wouldn't mind a smart latex editor on tablet.13:51
aquatixand latex beamer to complete the suite13:51
`Macethere's a maemo install of abiword.. but maemo doesn't have much printer support13:51
aquatixStskeeps: lyx?13:51
Stskeepsyeah, for instance13:51
`Maceit would be awesome if it did13:51
aquatixStskeeps: or vim? :P13:51
Stskeepsbut i wouldn't mind a keyboard either.. and i have a n80013:51
Stskeepsaquatix: .. \'s are murder on on screen13:51
`Macei got an su8w13:51
`Macefor the n80013:51
`Maceyou can actually type pretty easily on it considering its size13:52
Stskeeps`Mace: but anyway, the ability of Mer is choice of how you want to run your tablet, easy porting to the platform, .. etc13:52
aquatixStskeeps: that's why i have an n810 :)13:52
aquatixand a bluetooth kb13:52
Stskeepsif you want hildon you can have it, if you want KDE, you can .. etc13:52
`Macei see13:52
`Macewell. it will be interesting to see how it comes along13:52
`Maceand if you give me some time i'll put up a site for you to use13:53
`Macei have 4TB to spare haha13:53
`Macewell.. maybe not that muh.but i can proably give yu 1 or 2 ;)13:53
Stskeepswe can probably always use qemu hosts or repo mirrors13:53
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Stskeepsmine is on a 2/1mbit, so :P13:54
`Macedon't know how well qemu would work on fbsd ;)13:54
Stskeepsfine, i think13:54
`Macei don't have any linux boxes13:54
`Macei can make one if it's important13:54
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`Maceon my esx box13:54
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johnxall qemu wants is gobs and gobs of processing power :)13:54
Stskeepsmaybe, - if our queues get too large on the builder13:55
`Macejohnx then that box probably won't do too well for it13:55
`Macei might swap my desktop box and the other one.. i have 2 of these things13:56
`Macebut this one has a core2duo 2.8GHz .. other one has a dual core intel 2G13:56
johnxqemu is what makes me want to go to a dual core13:56
`Macenot to mention it's running a zimbra vm on it ;)13:56
Stskeepsi've considered making my work n800 a builder, but.. :P13:56
Stskeepsit would probably choke badly13:56
`Macethe web server... and uhm... something else but i forgot13:56
`Maceit would probably be horrible13:57
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`Macei'll make a debian vm.. you can have root on it if you'd like13:57
Stskeepswell, i build on a qemu arm as well. :P13:57
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`Maceonce i get a chance i'm going to swap hard drives and give the esx box the stronger shuttle13:58
johnxI honestly think my n800 is faster for builds than qemu on an athlon 64 @ 1.8GHz13:58
`Macei have 2 of those.. i skimpped on the cpu for the first one13:58
`Maceas a matter of fact.. i'll start working on installing debian on it now13:59
johnxthose are nice little machines :) I'm thinking about getting one to replace my desktop eventually13:59
`Maceheh.. only thing that sucks is if you want an internal slim optical drive13:59
`Maceyou have to laser cut a hole in the plastic panel in front13:59
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* Stskeeps rarely uses cd these days13:59
johnxeh, no interest in CDs13:59
`Mace(which wold probably work the best as far as neatness)13:59
`Maceheh.. you'd be suprised tho14:00
`Maceit sucks when you need it that one time ;)14:00
Stskeepsusb :P14:00
johnxI'll keep around an old machine14:00
`Macei don't have a usb optical drive14:00
`Macebut i'm going to get one just for this damn thing heh14:00
`Maceif you want to run esx on it though.. y ou'll need to get an intel server nic14:00
johnxI'd like a pci-express x16 slot. I really enjoy having a fast graphics card if only for compiz and google earth :)14:00
`Macejust giving you a warning ;)14:01
`Macethey make for nice little servers. i don't know about desktop machines tho.. i am running vista on the one i'm on now14:02
`Macei suppose it goes fast enough14:02
`Macei really like esxi tho.. works pretty well14:02
* Stskeeps wouldn't mind an integration of esx and qemu14:03
Stskeepswith some instances being other processors14:03
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`Macei'm working on building the debian vm now14:04
Stskeepssounds good14:04
`Macei hope i can just swap out hard drives14:04
`Maceand put the other hard drive in the stronger shuttle.. i don't see why i wouldn't be able to but you never know14:04
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johnxshould be fine14:05
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johnxStskeeps, did you have a script for debootstrapping into jaunty or should I just do it by hand?14:13
lardmanlcuk: you about?14:13
Stskeepsjohnx: arm or x86?14:13
Stskeepsjust by hand i guess, debootstrap from jaunty rep14:14
johnxah, ok already done, then I'll just borrow the linuxrc from deblet14:14
`Maceok. i'm going to have to put a different hd in this thing :)14:15
`Macei have a 1TB sata drive lying around... i'll wait until friday to do everything14:15
`Macethis is what i get for putting an 80G drive in it haha14:15
Stskeepsjohnx: we should probably also discuss how to handle multi-arch stuff, for n800 we'd have n8x0-initfs-compat or something for boot basics :P14:16
johnxthe good news is I think the n8x0 is the only device that needs that sort of thing14:19
johnxon other platforms it would just be convenience packages14:19
Stskeepsand when we move into initfs territory ourselves we wouldn't have that14:20
`Maceyeah. i think i'm just going to swap out the nic and wipe the vista install on this one and use the 1TB drive for esx14:20
`Macethen install vista on the 80G on the lesser box.. since i really don't need all the space for vista anyways :)14:21
`Macei'm backing up my VMs now14:21
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towomaemo on an N95? ;)14:39
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thopiekar_n95No just mirggi on symbian^^14:41
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* Stskeeps wonders idly where nokia is planning on putting clutter stuff really14:49
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johnxyou mean at what level of the UI?14:50
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Stskeepspango/atk/cairo or? :P14:50
johnxmy guess is that it will be an optional thing in that way that canola uses the enlightenment libs14:51
Stskeepslibhildon maybe14:52
thopiekar_xpwhats up with the *rtcomm (chinook)* - project .. will the developters ever port it to diablo?14:52
johnxthopiekar_xp, it works in diablo I believe14:53
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thopiekar_xphmm... time to test it... but i think there will be some problems with apt ... nokia meta-packaged everything across... if you know what I mean ;)14:55
thopiekar_xpbecause even sudo apt-get update is very difficult to run...14:55
johnxthere was a thread on ITT with info on getting it installed14:56
johnxdidn't seem too difficult14:56
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aquatixthopiekar_xp: i installed account-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze instead of rtcomm btw14:58
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woglindeI got /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:217: error: syntax error before "__s32"15:00
woglindewhen compiling a v2l app15:00
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thopiekar_xpaquatix: which chat-services provides these packages?15:05
* thopiekar_xp is away for around 15mins15:05
aquatixthopiekar_xp: the IM app now lists AIM, Google Talk, ICQ, Jabber, MSN (Haze), SIP and Yahoo15:07
GAN800X-Fade, fyi, spam's back as of yesterday.15:07
X-FadeGAN800: Yeah, I noticed.15:07
X-FadeGAN800: We could protect the main page, but I guess it will soon come to other pages too.15:08
woglindeah solved15:08
woglindebut this suckz15:08
woglindesdk libc-headers and diablo-kernel-headers are out of sync15:08
Stskeepsjohnx: i suspect it will be glued into GTK15:10
StskeepsClutter-GTK seems to exist15:10
* johnx reads up15:10
johnxwell clutter-gtk is embedded clutter in gtk, not gtk on top of clutter it appears15:11
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johnxright, so it's a clutter window in a gtk app15:12
johnxif I understand correctly15:12
johnxno, I'm never sure15:13
johnxok nevermind15:13
johnxjust got to the tricky part of that video :)15:13
Stskeepsyeah, i know, intel, but open source..15:14
johnxoffscreen rendering probably won't be so hot on the n8x0 ...15:14
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Stskeepswell if you can speed up normal gtk and add in 3d effects.. :P15:19
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lcukoffscreen or overlay15:22
lcukclutter is a game engine ontop of ogl, its the same principle as ummm glut i believe15:23
* thopiekar_xp is back15:24
thopiekar_xpaquatix: thx15:24
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woglindelcuk do you use v4l2 to get images from the cam?15:27
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thopiekar_xpi've got a question about the garage-'portal'15:29
thopiekar_xpI get these Emails everyday... 7 B60-commits moderator request(s) waiting... while I used SVN and I don't know how to comfirm these requests...15:31
thopiekar_xpeven when i type in the password of my maemo-account on 'mailman' it says that this password is wrong...15:32
thopiekar_xphave you some ideas?15:33
thopiekar_xpor even tipps^^15:34
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Stskeepsjohnx: around?15:36
johnxStskeeps, still here15:36
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Stskeepsjohnx: i think we should switch policy to using the tags, as we are using their ecosystem, instead of trunk, - to make our job easier eventually15:37
Stskeepstags have autoconf and everything15:37
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Stskeepsand we can move to newer versions with bzr rebase15:37
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johnxis everything we need in tags?15:38
Stskeepsyeah, think so15:38
Stskeepsthey release internal versions often15:38
Stskeepsi'm not going to rebuild everything, just starting from now so15:39
johnxalright, I'll keep that in mind15:39
johnxstill getting everything switched to jaunty15:39
Stskeeps.. ok, not all of them has autoconf, but ok15:42
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Stskeepsok, bzr rebase isn't perfect :P15:44
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RST38hmoo johnx15:45
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t_s_ough, im becomming tired of the marketing speak...16:30
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GAN800t_s_o, where?16:34
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t_s_oi think i see where things are going. nokia is at odds with the typical evolutionalry ways of the open source world. they want to put a shiny face on the next maemo based device, but they cant without pulling another 770...16:38
Stskeepssure they can.. get a 3d driver for the n8x016:41
RST38hIn other words, it is like he wants to tell us "you are fucked folks"16:43
RST38hBut this, of course, is not news.16:43
Stskeepsunless they suddenly pull a surprise and release all source for old UI :P16:43
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RST38hWhich still leaves you fucked until someone get enough time and will to backport it16:44
`Maceyou have to love high quaity network cards16:44
`Maceer.. quality too16:44
`Macelike when you get actual real performance out of them.. it's nice :)16:45
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lardmanRST38h: not backport, as the driver will be for a different chipset16:48
RST38hlardman: I am sure the 3d driver will not be the only difference16:48
lardmanoh sorry I misread, I thought you were talking about that driver, not the whole of maemo516:49
RST38hlardman: you can expect most differences in HAL, system initialization, input device drivers, connectivity drivers16:49
RST38hof course I mean the whole thing16:49
lcuki would like to see the early pre-alpha seeded version running on actual hardware, just because nokia doesnt have time to optimize does not mean we cant16:50
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lcukor was it really that bad and slow that it was fired up once or twice in postcard mode(like playing doom4 on an old laptop)16:52
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annewI'm just getting to grips with a N810 - can anyone help me with a mail query?16:53
annewit downloads my Inbox but no subfolders16:53
aquatixannew: that's with an imap account?16:54
RST38hlcuk: Well, let me read my crystal balls16:54
annewI used the same settings as work on my EeePC16:54
RST38hlcuk: They say that the performance explanation, as well as HSPA explanation are both bogus16:54
Stskeepsannew: diablo/newest firmware update?16:54
RST38hlcuk: Added to the post for completeness16:54
annewah - no.16:55
RST38hlcuk: The real explanation is Clutter and its reliance on OpenGL16:55
annewI'll see if I can find that, thanks.16:55
Stskeepsannew: there's some fixes for it :P16:55
annewStskeeps: I'd like gpg too - is that possible?16:55
RST38hlcuk: There is no way to have OpenGL on n8x0 running at decent speed16:55
lardmanwith a driver there is...16:55
RST38hlcuk: [whether it is due to the Epson chip usage or due to PowerVR guys being anal retentive is a different thing]16:56
Stskeepsannew: not sure for maemo, but claws has a gpg plugin..16:56
RST38hlardman: Effectively, there is none, so far. So the current answer is no16:56
RST38hlcuk: Now, I (personally) do not understand why you would need Clutter at all. Current UI is good enough as far as I am concerned and Canola shows that you do not need 3D for a decent PMP like UI16:57
annewStskeeps: ok - I'll see what I can find, thanks16:57
X-FadeRST38h: I guess it will also be used for compositing?16:58
lardmanRST38h: it will look prettier16:58
RST38hBut both Ubuntu and Moblin seem to go in Clutter's direction16:58
RST38hlardman: not by a huge amount really16:58
RST38hX-Fade: Well, compositing has very limited use in UIs and in a pinch you can do it with some tight assembly code16:59
X-FadeTR@N51T10NzzZZz ;)16:59
Stskeepsyeah.. animations16:59
RST38hX-Fade: n8x0 has 16bpp display - I have some very tight code for compositing in 16bpp on arm16:59
Stskeepsin any case, alpha sdk will be out this year.16:59
X-FadeAnd accelerated rendering, I guess.16:59
Stskeepsso we'll know soon16:59
RST38hX-Fade: Current hw does that already17:00
X-FadeRST38h: Yes, but probably it will be a lot better in the next hardware.17:00
RST38hfor bitmaps, anyway, but that is what you would normally use in UI17:01
X-FadeLess hardware limitations.17:01
RST38hX-Fade: Just has to be good enough really17:01
lcukoptimized,2d or 3d or whatever the BIG thing people want is glitz and shine and smooth fluid effects.17:01
RST38hCurrent HW handles UI easily17:01
RST38hIt folds on JavaScript, Flash, and CSS rendering but who doesn't?17:01
t_s_olcuk: i blame apple for that...17:01
X-Fadelcuk: Indeed.17:01
lcuknot easily, liqbase is hard17:01
RST38hlcuk: You do not have UI to speak about yet =)17:02
lardmanRST38h: it could always be quicker though, no point arguing either, the decision has already been made17:02
RST38hlardman: Yes, correct. In fact, I am not trying to argue with the decision (pointless) just reading my crystal balls trying to restore some hidden details of it17:03
RST38hMy current guess is that they want to sync up with Ubuntu/Moblin by going Clutter route17:03
Stskeepsor simply get closer to some of their own modern uis17:03
X-FadeRST38h: I think it is more because apple changed people's perception.17:04
X-FadeKhertan_WebIrc5: Which one of you 2 is real? :)17:04
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RST38hX-Fade: Yes but a tablet is not an Apple desktop by any measure17:04
X-FadeRST38h: Next device is not a tablet :)17:05
RST38hAnd if Nokia wants to simulate iPhone, it probably shouldn't start with Clutter :)17:05
RST38hX-Fade: Are you telling me we are finally gonna get StarTrek datapads? =)17:05
X-FadeRST38h: I honestly don't know, but it will probably not be called datapad.17:06
Stskeepsprobably stuff like that we'd see17:06
X-FadeRST38h: Although:
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RST38hX-Fade: Shiny! Still a tablet though17:07
X-FadeRST38h: No! An Eco Sensor ;)17:08
* RST38h wonders if the screen will be physically protected in the next one17:08
Stskeeps <- ok .. kinda neat17:08
RST38hit is terribly fragile and defenseless in the current one17:08
RST38hSts: I really do not see why this trivial stuff is worth switching to Clutter17:09
StskeepsRST38h: admittedly i'm more for a maemo ui but then again i'm grumpy and old.. :P17:09
* aquatix wants a maemo-based phone :)17:10
RST38hSts: Dunno, it just seems trivial and cheesy to me. If they do go OpenGL way, I would expect something more interesting17:10
Stskeepsit's kinda curious that hildon-desktop hasn't been worked on for 4 months17:11
RST38hSts: Confirms that they are gonna drop it?17:11
Stskeepsnot sure17:11
X-FadeHildon + clutter on EeePC ?
RST38haquatix: There is hope they will make voice circuitry work in the next tablet...So that it can be used with BT handsets17:12
X-FadeStskeeps: I was wondering about that too. Perhaps they have a private branch somewhere..17:12
StskeepsX-Fade: isn't that just the flash ui maybe?17:12
aquatixRST38h: you mean that you dial through a bt phone?17:13
X-FadeStskeeps: I gues the SDK will tell. I have no idea.17:13
Stskeepsi'm waiting for that too cos it will have wide implications on any of my work17:13
X-Fadeyeah, I can imagine.17:13
Stskeepsdid anyone see how far they could get with opengl es software render and dsp anyway? :P17:14
annewStskeeps: checked for updates - it only offered maps - but17:16
annewthen said the update conflicts with software from another source17:16
annewI haven't installed any yet17:16
RST38haquatix: more or less, although you can dial on the tablet17:17
RST38hthe idea is that you speak into the handset17:17
Stskeepsannew: hmm, did you install diablo by flashing?17:17
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annewStskeeps: no - haven't found it yet17:18
annewstill exploring17:18
lcuksorry for timing, i just keep thinking that this device offers lots, but each tiny incremental step will be hard which is why the omap3 move is going, tbh though peter is right it will offer nice things17:19
Stskeepsit better be bloody good17:19
lcukiphone is basically omap2+pvr isnt it?17:19
Stskeepsannew: is it a N810 and you have not firmware flashed it before?17:19
RST38hlcuk: No17:20
annewStskeeps: that's right17:20
RST38hlcuk: iPhone is a Samsung ARM-based media processor + ARM-based baseband chip17:20
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RST38hlcuk: I suppose Samsung does include PowerVR17:20
lcukyeah, equivilent to what omap17:20
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lcukis it closer to 2 or 317:21
Stskeepsannew: mac, linux or windows?17:21
annewStskeeps: linux I presume17:22
aquatixRST38h: yeah, but that kinda defeats the purpose; i want a smartphone with maemo :)17:22
lcukdamn ill bb @ 6ish, its gettin busy over here17:22
RST38haquatix: there is a physical problem with that17:23
aquatixotoh, that'd be only very usable when the device is large-ish (big screen)17:23
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aquatixso maybe i don't want a maemo phone17:23
RST38haquatix: Anything with usably large screen will be too awkward to hold close to your ear17:23
RST38hBut having it work through a BT handset is fine17:23
aquatixwell, there are wince phones with slide-out keyboard with a 800x480 screen17:23
RST38hOne of these handsets:
aquatixToshiba Portege G900 for example17:24
aquatixRST38h: ha17:24
RST38haquatix: same problem - either pixels are too small or the phone is too large17:24
RST38hAfter all, there is E90!17:24
* aquatix likes the E7117:24
aquatixbut i'll wait for the Nokia Eitri17:24
aquatixanything with usable touchscreen and qwerty and no wince will do i guess17:25
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florianRST38h: The E90 is nice but S60 does not play well with the form factor and it is too slow.17:31
RST38hno wonder, with this screen size and the amount of deadwood in the base OS17:34
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RST38hwaiting for the public verdict on 5800 =)17:35
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aquatix5800 seems nice17:39
Navijohnx: luls, you asked about gc-linux in #wiili17:39
aquatixbut i miss a physical kb17:39
RST38hn810 physical kbd is nothing to miss really17:40
aquatixRST38h: that's why i'm curious about the Eitri17:40
* RST38h misses e70 kbd though17:40
aquatixRST38h: well, i use it17:40
aquatixi think it's rather nice for a handheld17:40
aquatixa lot better than if i had to do with only touchscreen17:40
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GAN800lcuk, OMAP2. It's still a shitty ARM1117:43
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fiferboyqwerty12: Fullscreen button already works in transmission17:43
qwerty12fiferboy, Really? Because it doesn't here :/17:43
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fiferboyIt does on my N81017:44
qwerty12Bollocks, It doesn't on N800 >.<. I'll change it from F6 to HILDON_HARDKEY_SOMETHING17:44
fiferboyWait, now it's not.17:44
aquatixdoes the fullscreen button work for you guys in gnumeric?17:45
aquatixit doesn't here :/17:45
aquatixthe View > Fullscreen menu option works though17:45
fiferboyI added a patched version to my tablet to test, and that worked.  Then I upgraded to the latest in h-a-m and now it doesn't17:45
fiferboyDarn, I fixed it and thought you did!17:45
qwerty12Heh :)17:45
fiferboyNow I'm giving you credit for things I do!17:46
qwerty12I'm currently working on making transmission open websites in the Maemo browser, I've done it successfully for the about dialog, just need to finish it off...17:46
* qwerty12 steals fiferboy's credit muhahaha17:47
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fiferboyMy development environment is in shambles right now, but I'll send you the fullscreen patch when I can17:48
qwerty12Ok, thank you for that :)17:48
fiferboyAssuming you don't add if before I can get it to you!17:49
qwerty12Not much chance of that :)17:49
fiferboyGood!  I want to finally contribute something to transmission17:49
qwerty12It will be much appreciated :)17:50
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RST38hBTW, transmission does not search from the bar17:55
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GAN800The eko1 stupidity just wont die.17:56
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qwerty12RST38h, Oh, hrm. I never tried the search thingie. I can try and fix it but you know me...17:57
mimshitaHello!i'm running an application based on sofia-sip, on chinook, when runnig it gives me this error: ./popkorn: symbol lookup error: ./popkorn: undefined symbol: stuntag_server17:58
RST38hqwerty: Surpprise me, please =)17:58
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fiferboy__How do I get rid of my zombies?17:59
RST38hcover them with asphalt18:00
fiferboy__They keep coming back18:00
qwerty12/ghost <name_of_guy_you_wanna_kill> <nickservpass>18:00
fiferboy__Hmm, "Error: GHOST fiferboy"18:01
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fiferboy__Ah, there he goes.18:01
fiferboy__Good old timeout18:01
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GAN800Good thing they aren't flying.18:02
fiferboyFlying zombies?18:02
qwerty12Can the default File Manager open a specific directory via a DBUS call?18:03
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qwerty12Time to D-Bus introspect...18:06
infobotmethinks flashing is
Stskeeps-> annew18:07
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Khertan87564Hello !18:11
Khertan87564 :)18:12
Khertan87564not yet tested :)18:12
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GAN800Another Khertan clone!18:15
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Khertan87564but this time with a real cloned machine ... and auto destruct features18:16
Stskeepshm, do you know any 3g/HSDPA .. dongles, no need for phone functionality, not USB?18:17
aquatixnon-usb dongles?18:17
* Khertan87564 is using the japplet of undernet.org18:17
aquatixparallel port ones? :)18:17
aquatixKhertan87564: can mnotes sync with a service?18:18
Khertan87564aquatix> nope18:18
Stskeepsaquatix: well a phone without display and keyboard18:18
Khertan87564aquatix> local only18:18
Stskeepsfor tethering18:18
aquatixpccard is not really a dongle :)18:18
aquatixStskeeps: aight18:18
Khertan87564i know one using firewire18:18
Stskeepsbasically something i can charge once in a while18:19
Khertan87564firewire hsdpa dongle ? no need ? ;)18:19
Stskeepsfor n800 :P18:19
aquatixKhertan87564: hm, what's the advantage of mNotes above the build-in Notes?18:20
aquatixKhertan87564: the left list?18:20
Khertan87564no need to save18:20
Khertan87564auto save18:20
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aquatixah right18:20
aquatixpalm style18:20
Khertan87564yep a bit like palm style18:20
* Stskeeps will just have to wait for n900 i guess18:20
Khertan87564(old palm user)18:21
Khertan87564(and developper ;) )18:21
GAN800Stskeeps, find an excuse to upgrade your phone?18:21
X-FadeAny omap3 phones out yet?18:21
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StskeepsGAN800: i have a 3g phone .. the problem is that my provider doesn't have a decent data plan18:22
Stskeepswell, they do18:22
GAN800Not that I've noticed18:22
Stskeepsbut they don't combine phone + data well18:22
aquatixStskeeps: providers are weird that way18:22
JaffaKhertan87564: Oooh, this sounds like what I want (and was planning to do with whizzy Clutter effects when Fremantle SDK comes out)18:23
* aquatix is annoyed about those recent laptop ads; you think they sell a cheap laptop, but actually it comes with a 2-year data plan18:23
aquatixJaffa: whizzy Clutter effects for a notes app? :)18:23
* aquatix pokes lcuk 18:24
Khertan87564stskeep > come in france ... none isp have real data plan18:24
aquatixKhertan87564: ghehe18:24
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* Khertan87564 still doesn't know what will look like Clutter ?18:24
Khertan87564hum ...18:26
Khertan87564found some interesting things to read about clutter ...18:27
Khertan87564aquatix & jaffa > something like that for the notes list :
Khertan87564with bookmark as list ... and browser renderer as textview18:28
* aquatix downloads movie18:28
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Khertan87564does clutter could be run on actual nit ?18:29
Khertan87564as i think the power will be a bit short18:29
Stskeepsthey claim it will for n900 :P18:31
aquatixclutter looks nice, but is it really that necessary :/18:31
aquatixas said, something like canola pulls off is really nice already18:31
Khertan87564yep .... but they said this will be for fremantle18:31
Khertan87564not for n900 specifycally ?18:31
Khertan87564or maybe i ve missed something since the summit18:32
Stskeepsthey are claiming n900 will be the thing that fremantle runs on, and .. maybe n8x018:32
Khertan87564aquatix> yep but not really easy to do something with efl18:33
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Khertan87564Stskeeps> yep ... i understand it like that ... it should run ... on n8x0 ... but we don't say if it ll be a hacker edition ;)18:33
Khertan87564or if all things will run18:34
Khertan87564like clutter lib18:34
Stskeepswe'll see i guess18:35
X-FadeWell, hildon-desktop could fall-back to normal behavior when no hardware is found?18:35
Stskeepsyeah.. i agree that would definately be an option18:36
X-FadeThere are supposed to be a lot of goodies in Fremantle that do not need any hardware features.18:36
X-FadeSo even if we only get those ;)18:36
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qwerty12Sending an open_folder call to at least starts up the file manager, now it would be nice if it actually opened the folder I wanted...18:47
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Meizirkkidisco_stu: Can you give me the ad-hoc how-to page addr again?18:50
GAN800Khertan, there isn't really a 'look'18:51
GAN8003d widgets you can do whatever with.18:51
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Khertan_the_real... a look ?18:54
Khertan_the_realah you mean about clutter ?18:54
Khertan_the_realyep i ve see ... it s just a lib to ease dev with a gnome style18:54
Khertan_the_realrendering in 3D :)18:55
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lcukaquatix, already in mind :)18:56
lcukbut im notmeant to be here now, ill talk to you in a bit18:56
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b1ackdeathcan some one help me with qwerty12's winexe real quick18:57
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b1ackdeathi enter ../winexe -U WORKGROUP\administrator%mypassd\\ and get nothing18:58
b1ackdeathhis instructions say ./winexe -U WORKGROUP/<user>%<password goes here > //<ip>18:59
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Stskeepsuhm, you stated \\ in first, // in second19:00
qwerty12Is your machine actually in the WORKGROUP workgroup?19:01
b1ackdeath./winexe -U workgroup\administrator%mpasswd//
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b1ackdeathi get the help list19:02
qwerty12You're formatting the command wrong then. Take the time to actually read the help.19:02
b1ackdeath soo this is wrong then  ./winexe -U workgroup\administrator%mpasswd//
b1ackdeathcuz thats a copy and past my n81019:03
Khertan_the_reali really don't like this thread :
Khertan_the_realspecially Peter@Maemo Marketing: ... is it a real guy ?19:04
b1ackdeathqwerty12 thanks for you help19:05
Khertan_the_reali mean a real guy from the maemo marketing ?19:05
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GAN800Khertan, he's Quim's boss19:05
GAN800and there's nothing new there.19:05
Khertan_the_realGAN800> :)19:06
Khertan_the_realreally ?19:07
Khertan_the_realwhen it s mean that for n8x0 it ll be only hacker edition19:07
Khertan_the_realanyway ...19:07
* Khertan_the_real is happy with diablo :)19:07
GAN800Well, we already knew it wasn't likely.19:08
GAN800Still, getting most of Fremantle running on OMAP2 hardware should be pretty straightforward.19:08
* Khertan_the_real is looking for google trad for !straightforward!19:08
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Khertan_the_realyep i think too19:09
Khertan_the_realbut what surprise me the most in this post ... is to see a post from the it nokia team which was not quim :)19:10
Khertan_the_realbut maybe i ve read many post from nokia guys without know it :)19:10
GAN800You've surely missed some19:11
GAN800There are lots of Nokia folks about19:11
GAN800Though Quim and Peter are in positions to wear their Nokia hats a little more actively.19:11
GAN800Since their job is largely to speak for Nokia.19:11
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Khertan_the_realyep have see texrat19:12
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GAN800Mara and Igor too19:15
Khertan_the_realwill take train ...19:15
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Khertan_the_realand i ve left orange isp ... so no more phone :)19:15
Khertan_the_realsee you tomorrow19:15
Khertan_the_realgood night19:15
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konttori_Wohoo! ukmp in Please test.
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tank-mananyone know about the long term availability of the garnet vm (palmos) for the NITs ?19:28
StskeepsGAN800: it's probably trivial -if- nokia is open to firmware mixing.. and if nokia pulls the usual N900-to-get-firmware.. :P19:28
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RST38hSts: You won't be able to run omap3 firmware on omap219:30
RST38hhw is different19:30
Stskeepsyeah, okay, true19:35
Stskeepsthat poses more problems for a HE from community :P19:35
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GAN800tank-man, they haven't announced anything.19:37
tank-mani got an email yesterday about a new beta3 out19:37
GAN800Stskeeps, I don't think they'd be against the community doing the work on a backport. :)19:37
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lcukKhertan is one of you still alive20:10
lcukaquatix, are you still about20:11
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kulveI tried to use advanced search in and got this:20:22
kulve/export/hda3/4.4.102.M.36/local/conf/frontends/wiki/domain_filter (No such file or directory)20:22
kulveand now I tried again directly with advanced search and it works..20:23
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riotwhy does the mediaplayer break when i upload a single mp3 via sftp onto the sd-card? I can't access the library afterwards20:47
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unixSnobhow do you folks get openvpn working when a TLS key is required?20:52
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riothmm. weird, it works normal again20:54
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riotall i did was firing up the filemanager and deleted one mp3 in my home.. pff20:55
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fiferboyqwerty12: How do you want me to send you the patch? email a diff?20:56
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qwerty12_N800fiferboy, Yes please, my email address should be in debian/control20:57
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fiferboyGotcha.  I accidently built it against the wrong version (the 1.40 before the menu was hildonized)20:58
fiferboyDo you mind if I just send the actions.c diff?20:58
fiferboyI'm PRETTY sure that's all I ended up touching ;)20:58
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qwerty12_N800i switched to quilt (many thanks to mikkov_) and i got to say that managing the patches is *way* easier20:59
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lcukqwerty12_N800, can i borrow that quilt, im f*cking freezing21:08
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qwerty12_N800heh, it's been horrible in London too, can't imagine what it is like in the north :(21:09
Stskeepssb supports quilt? scary21:09
lcukapt-get install quilt, slippers, pipe21:11
lcuksomething really got my goat today21:11
lcuki was thinking of a layout algorythm21:11
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lcukand i found myself idling setting it up and visualizing what i wanted in vb in seconds.  god damn me not having such simplicity on maemo (yet)21:13
Stskeepsglade? :P21:13
* GAN800 is cold at 6521:14
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hahlobitStskeeps: why nit-env-gnome-basic matchbox doesn't fit the screen but nit-env-lxde fits?21:17
mikkov_fiferboy: libboost with serialization for armel only is submitted to autobuilder, let's hope that it actually works this time21:17
fiferboymikkov_: Excellent!  I will be waiting to hear the results.21:17
fiferboyI take it it takes quite a while to build21:17
mikkov_it should take one more hour or so21:18
mikkov_submitted it two hours ago21:18
lcukall people trying to make a WM, have you tried using it in portrait orientation, i use vnc that way round because for some reason a proper desktop fits21:18
lcukit always looks cramped on widescreen21:18
mikkov_and didn't test locally because it takes so long ;)21:19
Stskeepshahlobit: er. apples and oranges and bulldozers.21:19
hahlobitjust suspect that nit-env-lxde is more tuned21:20
fiferboyMan I suck at creating patches21:22
GAN800Stupis goddamn Fremantle thread.21:22
lcukGAN800, chill21:24
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GAN800lcuk, it's such a boring discussion21:27
GAN800I swear I've talked about the community backport a half-dozen times in the last two days.21:28
GAN800Turkey time, you guys can all freeze to death. :P21:28
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qwerty12_N800Interesting way of saying "See you later". :P21:29
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fiferboyqwerty12_N800: Which patch do you want me to send?  My first one where it would fullscreen fine then crash coming out, or my second one that works flawless?21:53
fiferboyThe first one is, obviously, much more fun!21:53
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qwerty12_N800fiferboy, what the hell, I love spontaneous crashes so I'll take the first one please! :P21:54
fiferboyYes!  I knew you wouldn't let me down21:54
fiferboyI can incorporate an 8MB/s memory leak too, if you want.21:54
l7~installing from SD21:55
l7~boot from SD21:55
* infobot inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across from SD to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts from SD out to where he belongs!21:55
qwerty12_N800fiferboy, Yes, please!21:55
l7hmm, how do i get it to give out the wiki page?21:55
infoboti guess boot-sd is
l7qwerty12_N800: ah, ty21:55
fiferboyOne last test (to make sure the package builds after applying the patch) then I'll send it along21:55
l7i have to say the other result was entertaining21:56
qwerty12_N800fiferboy, Ok, thank you for your work on this.21:57
fiferboyqwerty12_N800: Not a problem.  Anything else you are looking to do with transmission?21:57
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qwerty12_N800fiferboy, Trying to see I can get Transmission's open folder feature and the default file manager to play nicely. I found that you can send a open_folder event to to make it open a folder but it don't it likes the paths transmission sends to it...22:00
fiferboyWhat dbus line are you using?22:00
fiferboyOh, you can get it to work if you format the folder location differently than transmission does?22:01
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qwerty12_N800Good point actually, I haven't actually tried dbus-sending it manually >.<22:01
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l7is "umount /media/mmc2" supposed to unmount the internal memory card?22:03
l7it keeps telling me the device is busy even though i'm not using it22:03
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fiferboyqwerty12_N800: The patch is winging its way to you22:09
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qwerty12_N800thanks! I'll apply it tomorrow (I practicaly have the entire day off :P)22:10
fiferboyWell, I don't think it will take the entire day to apply it, but I would leave yourself a 6-8 hour window.22:11
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qwerty12_N800Hehe, got the email. Thanks again! (i should have a thanks counter :) )22:12
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konttori_Has anyone used pythons psyco ever?22:16
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konttori_I just tried it out for a few simple tests and it actually seems to be giving quite a boost22:18
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Stskeepsmm, yeah, but did it work on arm? :P22:22
Stskeepsi can't recall if it did22:22
konttori_I'll see if it does.22:22
Stskeepspypy is the interesting player in this game atleast22:22
Stskeeps(which are interested in maemo too)22:22
xorAxAxpsyco is hardcoded x8622:23
xorAxAxeven x86_64 would be some manmonths of effort22:23
xorAxAxyeah, pypy is currently seeing whether it would be a fit for the maemo platform22:25
xorAxAxsome of the pypy guys own internet tables and did some hacking lately22:25
b1ackdeathsoftware hacking?22:27
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qwerty12_N800fiferboy, seems like the file manager just plain sucks. I just did an dbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/osso_filemanager string:/media/mmc2 and it just shows the MyDocs folder22:28
fiferboyI don't get anything at all :(22:32
qwerty12_N800i had to do it a few times :/22:32
fiferboyThere we go, second time22:33
fiferboyThere we go, put the location in single quotes22:33
fiferboyWorks for me.22:33
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qwerty12_N800I tried string:'/media/mmc2' but it's still stuck on MyDocs. Let me add a trailing slash22:35
fiferboyWell, worked for me one time.  Now it's gone back to just opening MyDocs...22:35
fiferboyTrailing slash didn't help me.22:35
fiferboyIt did it for me the first time I put in quotation marks, but now it won't do it again.22:36
qwerty12_N800grr, may as well leave it.  as we can see, osso_filemanager is not the most consistent of applications.22:36
fiferboyThere, just randomly did it again with the trailing slash, after not work three times.22:36
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qwerty12_N800I called it 3 times in a row with success. Crappy behaviour imho.22:37
fiferboyDoes it work at all programatically?  Maybe osso_rpc_async_run would work better...22:37
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qwerty12_N800No idea, thanks for the pointer, maybe I can make transmission send the dbus call twice...22:39
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Stskeeps"The first Fremantle SDK will be 100% open source (missing some components and features certainly, but being functional and buildable)."23:01
Ro9u3oRwhere can you fine some good apps for the n800 running os2008?  is there anything out there other than whats available in the maemo download section?23:02
StskeepsRo9u3oR: enabling Maemo extras is a good start23:02
infoboti heard extras is
Ro9u3oRwhere can you fine some good apps for the n800 running os2008?  is there anything out there other than whats available in the maemo download section?23:03
Meiz_n810Ro9u3oR: check repo page,
b1ackdeathi get 90% of my stuff from gronmayer,com/it23:04
Meiz_n810well, has extras too23:04
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Stskeepser, sec, refresh :P23:20
Stskeeps(remove s in http too)23:20
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fiferboyqwerty12_N800: I should be around tomorrow if you run into any problems with my patch23:24
fiferboyThere should be no problem, though23:24
unixSnobdoes the openvpn applet work for anyone?23:25
qwerty12_N800fiferboy, yep, seems nicely done. Thank you for making the patch in your own time23:25
fiferboyNo problem.  Glad I could help23:25
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unixSnobcan openvpn be used to bond two uplink together?23:29
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unixSnobhow do you connect to a hidden wifi network?23:32
unixSnobthe connection manager lets me add hidden networks, but only shows visible ones on the connection screen23:32
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