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| ShadowJK_ | nice | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, that thread is epic | 00:02 |
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| moontiger | hahaha | 00:08 |
| lcuk | post in it then, dont just talk about it, leave you mark | 00:09 |
| lcuk | but include the word fuck somewhere or ppl will shout at you ;) | 00:09 |
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| VDVsx | the admin/responsible for the maemo.org site is here ? | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, here, not sure if he's still available, though. | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the question? | 00:13 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, the fosdem dates should be changed | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, you mean the one here? http://maemo.org/news/events/ | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I can edit that. . . . | 00:15 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yup, it also appear in the front page | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, what's the correct date? | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, 7 and 8 Feb | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, http://fosdem.org/2009/ | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, correct now? http://maemo.org/news/events/fosdem_2009/ | 00:16 |
| lcuk | moontiger, ive never seen you swear (mind you, ive not seen many people swear around here) | 00:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Go die in a fire you goddamn wanker bastard, you, lcuk. :P | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and you said that with your post-virginity cheesy grin on your face | 00:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the timings a bit off. :P | 00:18 |
| lcuk | on that score gen, the reaction from people has been more positive | 00:18 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yup, but still wrong in the maemo.org front page | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, it should change at some point. | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure how often it updates. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But thanks for pointing out the problem! :) | 00:19 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ok :), many thanks | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ok my timings a little off, you mean the grin will get even bigger when you finally lose it? | 00:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles adds evil things to lcuk's wanker death. :P | 00:21 | |
| Stskeeps | am i the only one who could wish for a little resistance in material on the stand for the n800? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | what do you mean resistance? strength or friction | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | so you can use stylus on it when standing on slippery surface | 00:22 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: you can mod it | 00:22 |
| lcuk | the 810 is worse | 00:22 |
| disco_stu | you could glue some rubber squares | 00:22 |
| lcuk | but mine doesnt move anywhere, space age elastic bands | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | disco_stu: considering to glue on some rubber, yeah. :P | 00:23 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: i was serious | 00:23 |
| disco_stu | :P | 00:23 |
| lcuk | i put a rubber patch from puncture kit on the back of my 810 | 00:23 |
| lcuk | before i built my woody | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | so was i, disco_stu, i was typing at same time as you said it :P | 00:24 |
| moontiger | corrected now :) | 00:24 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: i thought it was sarcasm | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, mine just ends up backing up against my left monitor or left speaker. | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could buy a little rubber pad for it. | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, i saw, what do you teach btw | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | dbus for beginners? :P | 00:26 |
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| moontiger | today im teaching sql stuff to google people | 00:27 |
| lcuk | i was thinking English for Junior kids. eventually one day they will look up their teachers jaiku page and discover their perfect teacher is a swearing lout :P | 00:27 |
| moontiger | i also do php / apache / ajax / javascript | 00:27 |
| lcuk | ahhh google employees, same mental age as juniors ;) | 00:27 |
| moontiger | hahaha so if u see the results from google get better soon then thank me ;) | 00:28 |
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| moontiger | Stskeeps, i wish | 00:28 |
| moontiger | :) | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i had an alcoholic as english teacher in high school.. one day he didn't show up for class, we sat outside and waited for 15-20 mins at a locked class room door.. we leave, 30 mins later we see him stumble out still partly drunk and hungover after obviously sleeping in the classroom | 00:28 |
| lcuk | oh shite | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | that was entertaining | 00:29 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: what a good teacher | 00:29 |
| disco_stu | in argentina he would all kids idol | 00:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:30 |
| disco_stu | s/would/would be/ | 00:30 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: in argentina he would be all kids idol | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | 5 hours of making slides gives you a headache like no other. :P | 00:57 |
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| * johnx believes it | 00:58 | |
| johnx | what kind of slides? | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | presentation on "Privacy issues in Location-Aware Mobile Devices" | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Local access trumps all" | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Privacy | 01:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles becomes literate. | 01:00 | |
| johnx | wow. that was fast | 01:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles iz smaert | 01:01 | |
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| lcuk | Computer of the future: "Welcome home stskeeps, I've warmed up the lube and inflated Mandy for you." | 01:02 |
| lcuk | sts: "but i'm still at work" | 01:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, as it blares over the speakers of your N9000 while you're sitting at the office? ;) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | someone was saying they want their device to actually react in locations | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth proximity can be fun for that. | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set away status based on the proximity of your cellphone or tablet to your computer. | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: mandy the sheep? | 01:04 |
| lcuk | ok bluetooth is good | 01:04 |
| lcuk | but gps based is not so much | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS chips will get better | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps i fixed the puncture and put her back in your cupboard | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, will never be perfect :) | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, perfect is relative | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be "good enough" | 01:05 |
| lcuk | indoors? | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 01:05 |
| lcuk | near buildings? | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | New satellites will go up, new chipsets will come out. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, there's cellphone towers | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're already adding them to malls and airports. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | More will come. | 01:06 |
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| johnx | it's really impressive on my phone for example | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The grid will own you soon enough. :P | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, again, it's all about "good enough" | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | UWB positioning for the masses. | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowing you're "at the mall" is sufficient | 01:07 |
| johnx | heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200 and bam, no geolocation :) | 01:07 |
| * lcuk curls up with just the glow of his n810 to keep him company | 01:07 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders if anyone cited his paper yet | 01:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't necessarily need to know you're in the GAP | 01:07 |
| johnx | s/1200/1200m mountain/ | 01:07 |
| infobot | johnx meant: heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200m mountain and bam, no geolocation :) | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, but it cannot know that all the time | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | For now | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | But give it time. | 01:08 |
| * lcuk stands around patiently waiting for technology to catch up with GeneralAntilles | 01:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just having the lights turn on and the AC switch from power saving when I walk in the door would be pretty sweet, though. | 01:08 |
| * lcuk looks at his watch | 01:08 | |
| guysoft422 | hi again - do 16GB mini sdhc cards work on the nokia n810/ | 01:09 |
| guysoft422 | ? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | you were right with bluetooth | 01:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts lcuk into a coma for the next 10 years with a tire iron. | 01:09 | |
| lcuk | i think thats 100% more realistic | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | guysoft422, any SDHC card up to 2048GB will work fine. | 01:09 |
| lcuk | can i have one of those when gps works always? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | and will i also be able to play duke nukem forever? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | whilst driving my flying car | 01:09 |
| guysoft422 | GeneralAntilles, thanks, ill keep that in mind when they have a 2TB card on sale :-) | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | SD capacities are doubling, what, once a year? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's 6 years away | 01:10 |
| lcuk | w000t only 5 more years (assuming 64 now) | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which assumes no bigger breakthroughs in the meantime. | 01:10 |
| guysoft422 | GeneralAntilles, yes, but the price here is double , so we are a year behind.. | 01:10 |
| guysoft422 | lcuk, wont they hit that magical size limit? | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | guysoft422, then I guess you'll just have to buy a 1TB card. :P | 01:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That limit is 2048GB | 01:11 |
| guysoft422 | GeneralAntilles, lol :) | 01:11 |
| lcuk | wouldnt it be 2000GB? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | formatted to 128mb | 01:11 |
| guysoft422 | the annoying thing is i just got a 8GB sdhc card for my XO | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't mix units. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2000GiB | 01:12 |
| lcuk | 2000gib, thats gotta be a messy movie | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GiB | 01:13 |
| guysoft422 | more like 2000 space captivity.. | 01:13 |
| lcuk | how many library of congresses is that? | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | woo, someone actually cited me and my former boss' paper on positioning :> | 01:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What is an LoC, 10TB? | 01:14 |
| guysoft422 | are there deb-src repos for maemo? i wanted to add a small fix to the GPE summery applet - it there are long lines it looks bad.. | 01:15 |
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| `0660 | GeneralAntilles, Lines of Code? | 01:16 |
| derf | That'd be one heck of a line. | 01:16 |
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| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/ has them all at least | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | `0660, Library of Congress | 01:20 |
| guysoft422 | `0660, why? its just "if line over x" then add newline | 01:21 |
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| `0660 | i should have read the previous lines first :) | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to bet that Windows ME consisted of a single 10TB line of code, though? :P | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | nahhhh, notepad on win9x was limited to very small files | 01:33 |
| lcuk | it was purely luck that technological problems prevented it however ;) | 01:34 |
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| disco_stu | someone intereseted in developing some kind of dj software for n8x0 | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | ? | 06:30 |
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| disco_stu | nobody ? | 06:41 |
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| bef0rd | alo | 06:48 |
| disco_stu | hi | 06:49 |
| bef0rd | disco_stu! | 06:50 |
| disco_stu | bef0rd | 06:51 |
| bef0rd | dj software hehe, sounds funny | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | yes | 06:52 |
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| bef0rd | what toolkit do you plan to use? | 06:53 |
| disco_stu | python | 06:54 |
| bef0rd | toolkit | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | and pygame maybe | 06:54 |
| bef0rd | ah ok | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | define toolkit | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | EFL! | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | EFL (?) | 06:54 |
| bef0rd | GTK, QT, EFL | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like Canola and Carman | 06:54 |
| bef0rd | wxwidgets | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | my own gui | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | :P | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be liqbase. ;) | 06:55 |
| bef0rd | you should really check EFL/edje (if you haven't) | 06:55 |
| disco_stu | the gui is not important now | 06:56 |
| disco_stu | what is important is the audio capabilities | 06:56 |
| bef0rd | the gui will be important at some point | 06:56 |
| disco_stu | bef0rd: when the audio part is finished | 06:57 |
| bef0rd | ;p | 06:57 |
| disco_stu | well we have mp3 playing | 07:03 |
| disco_stu | and fadeouts | 07:03 |
| disco_stu | lol | 07:03 |
| disco_stu | we are back at the begining since pygame for maemo wont play mp3 files | 07:08 |
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| bef0rd | gstream | 07:11 |
| bef0rd | er | 07:13 |
| disco_stu | i was trying to avoid gstreamer | 07:13 |
| disco_stu | but sounds the best choice | 07:13 |
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| WormFood | anything new and cool going on with the N800 in the last 6-7 months? I haven't been keeping up to date with things....any "must have" software now? | 08:06 |
| WormFood | guess not | 08:08 |
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| Proteous | heh | 08:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh god | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim mentioned jIRC. <_< | 08:50 |
| sampo | GeneralAntilles: i still didnt get XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description field to work | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | "A package can specify a separate description to be used when it is displayed in the "Check for updates" view. This description should talk about what is new in this version of the package. The upgrade description is specified with the Maemo-Upgrade-Description field. It is formatted like the normal Description field." | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You are looking at the Check for updates field, right? | 08:53 |
| sampo | oh, wait | 08:53 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | To be honest, sampo, I can't actually think of a package that uses it (which is why I put together that post in the first place ;)) | 08:56 |
| sampo | GeneralAntilles: ok now it shows that there is an update. Im in chedk for updates view | 08:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Should be a tab in the info view. | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hello | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Khertan_n810, what's the word? :) | 08:56 |
| sampo | GeneralAntilles: and if i click I (info) button, there are only Summary, Description and Updating tabs | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | the word ? | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, in other words, how are things? :P | 08:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | bad ... | 08:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | train is late | 08:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | google sync generate many Atom error in the atom python lib | 08:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | orange is making me furious | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry. :( | 08:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | blocking imap/gmail.com ... and other things | 08:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | which make internet useless | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do they offer an email service for an extra $10 a month? ;) | 08:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | this the 'unlimited 3g data connection service' | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | but 'unlimited' by orange mean 10Mo | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe cellular companies can get away with such an insane amount of abuse of that word. | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | and they change the contract and now block imap/smtp | 09:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | in france their is no choice | 09:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | their is three company | 09:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | which have an sort of contract ... and price is bout the same | 09:00 |
| sampo | GeneralAntilles: im pretty sure that i dont have a typo in my debian/control, my XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description, its after XB-Maemo-Display-Name and before XB-Maemo-Icon-26 section. Both of them work fine | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, my recommendation is to start with harassing qwerty12 when he shows up then move on to maemo-developers with your control file in hand. ;) | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | and of course this is the gouvernement which deliver autorisation ... but doesn t want a foiurth operator | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | fourth | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | and they block the entry of other company in this market | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | normal as the president is a friend of two of this company | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should build yourself a giant wifi antenna. | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | director | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | General : this is forbidden by law | 09:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | and fon disappear progressively ... | 09:03 |
| sampo | GeneralAntilles: ok. It would be nice to see some program which actually uses this cool feature...but if there isnt any :( | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan's gonna start an underground cellular company. | 09:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | as now who own the network connection is responsible for everything make with it | 09:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is really stupid | 09:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | does your are guilty when someone use your car to kill someone | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, well, once you figure it out I'll edit the post to clarify. | 09:04 |
| sampo | ok :) | 09:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Rah ! and now i can t use gdata ... as orange block the domain ! | 09:08 |
| * Khertan_n810 will made a murder | 09:09 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, speak of the devil. | 09:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, gotta switch to books and movies or something for the train. :( | 09:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 09:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | this will mean stop my dev of mcalenda | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | mcalendar | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i ve only the time to dev in the train | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta find a job closer to home | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | or home closer to job. :P | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | ... i m trying for the job | 09:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | for home it s impossible | 09:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve bought two years ago my house | 09:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | and can t resell it at the same price due to real estate down | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | so loan is the problem | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | and problem in france is that developpment job is mainly located in paris | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | and telework isn t really recognize | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's too bad. | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | less than 1% of worker is teleworker in france | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | and in high-tech domain it s around 2% | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | so ... hum | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... it seems i ve found a temp way for orange stupidity | 09:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | dns tunneling | 09:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | File "/alarmd.py", line 77, in check_for_error | 09:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | Internal error | 09:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | fun | 09:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | funny | 09:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did we get the alarmd source yet? | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or DSME? :\ | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, pupnik. :) | 09:24 |
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| pupnik | hi GeneralAntilles | 09:25 |
| pupnik | wut new... any fdc / endgaget on n9x0? | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing new hardware-wise since the Summit. | 09:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, http://maemo.org/community/council is a good place to track updates. ;) | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: if we get source i ll add a method | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | to retrieve all id for an app | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is nothing to know which alarm has been set by your app | 09:27 |
| pupnik | ty - nice to see Khertan also | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is stupid | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi pupnik | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, have you seen the API reference? | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ... | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is changes since four month ? | 09:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i read it 4 or 5 month ago | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I just happened to browse across it yesterday so it's closer to the front of my brain. ;) | 09:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah :) | 09:29 |
| GAN800 | Anybody else have an opinion about a #maemo jIRC client on maemo.org? (I'm strongly against ;)) | 09:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | jIRC ? | 09:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | java ? | 09:29 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 09:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m strongly against too ! | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | use a streaming http client ! | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | not a joke | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is a good one | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | just need to found it again | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | All I've ever seen web IRC clients do is bring in a bunch of strongly entitled users with unidentifiable names (Maem1, Maemo2, Maemo3, etc). | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it just results in a lot of spam that's irritating and disruptive for regular users. | 09:31 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Against. At least let noobs figure out how to connect to IRC. I may have to start using : http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, drop your opinions on here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3882 | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | My own experience leads me to believe a lot of people thing a web-based chat is automatically a live support channel. | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they treat it like one. | 09:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Exactly. | 09:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The people that cant figure out how to use a regular IRC client are about 10x harder to help anyway. | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | https | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against helping newcomers but when everything is already there (i.e click here to chat #maemo!) rather than people who setup their own IRC client ; I'd bet people would just expect answers straight rather than googling etc | 09:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, I don't think anybody could accuse either one of us of not wanting to help people. :P | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 09:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | not sure for me :) | 09:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve tryed fennec yesterday | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is far from ready to be use on nit | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | does they plan it for the next nit hardware ? | 09:41 |
| GAN800 | Nah, they're working on N810 | 09:42 |
| GAN800 | s | 09:42 |
| GAN800 | It's just barely an alpha | 09:42 |
| GAN800 | Performance is the major target. | 09:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes i know it s an alpha | 09:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t blame it | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | just a think that it will be hard to optimize it enought to be usefull | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | and it ll take time | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | count in month | 09:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | s | 09:44 |
| GAN800 | I guess we'll see | 09:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | so maybe their target isn t the actual device | 09:44 |
| GAN800 | But I bet it'll fly on OMAP3 | 09:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | but not your battery :) | 09:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | is their any device running with an omap3 today ? | 09:46 |
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| GAN800 | Pandora, Beagle Board, Archos 5 | 09:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | Pandora isn t available yet | 09:47 |
| GAN800 | The same piece of software will use less battery on OMAP3 than OMAP2 | 09:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | and Archos 5 don t know it | 09:47 |
| GAN800 | It's just starting shipping. | 09:48 |
| GAN800 | it's Archos's latest tablet. | 09:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | and autonomy is good on it ? | 09:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve always think that archos are only pmp | 09:48 |
| GAN800 | The Archos is about as closwd as they get. | 09:48 |
| GAN800 | s/swd/sed/ | 09:48 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: The Archos is about as closed as they get. | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | Ironic, replacing swd with sed :p | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, Khertan_n810, they're definitely targeting ARM11 devices. | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's slow because it hasn't been optimized very well yet. | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | The Archos makes me laugh, everything is an extra on it and I remember with my friend, he bought one and he plugged in the charger and an advert pops up on his screen offering to sell him the charging stand | 09:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll let u ... | 09:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m out of battery | 09:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bye | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | heh, bye :/ | 09:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, funnier yet, the charging stand charges faster than the bundled one. ;) | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Hah, typical. | 09:55 |
| mavhc | all the browsers use too much ram | 09:56 |
| GAN800 | mavhc, the web is a RAM-unfriendly place | 09:56 |
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| mavhc | indeed | 09:57 |
| mavhc | do they tend to keep graphics compressed in ram? | 09:57 |
| GAN800 | But yeah, they're still largely targetted at desktops | 09:57 |
| GAN800 | WebKit tends to be a bit better than Gecko, but it's not good enough. | 09:58 |
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| falcon | does anyone know what happening with the stage of project ubuntu mobile for nokia n8xx? | 10:04 |
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| pupnik | websites *suck* nowadays | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason people seem to think that having cool technology means they're required to use it as a solution to every possible problem. | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | my n800 makes a brilliant flashlight at night. | 10:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should get a flashlight mode from the powerkey | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3 short presses to go to full brightness and an all-white screen. | 10:26 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: is there a nice noscript/adblock webbrowser avail now? that crap is just driving me nuts | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | For Maemo/ | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 10:27 |
| pupnik | yah | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use CSS/hosts blocking and turn Flash off. | 10:27 |
| pupnik | mmk | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Browser Extras may have a plugin | 10:27 |
| pupnik | was just comparing wifi sensitivity between my 770 and a bunch of adapters. the 770 kicked ass on everything (including the alfa with ext 9dbi antenna) | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous | 10:29 |
| pupnik | yup - sees tons of beacons that are basically inaccessible too | 10:30 |
| pupnik | should look into whether i can make kismet ignore nets below X signal strength | 10:30 |
| dneary | mornin' | 10:30 |
| pupnik | hi | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | morning. | 10:32 |
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| hahlobit | Stskeeps: i got this boot from sdcard boot menu, which shows correct partitions but ubuntu doesn't, is it a bootmenu/loader problem or ubuntu problem? | 10:51 |
| hahlobit | doesn't boot i mean | 10:51 |
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| hahlobit | Stskeeps: is this deblet bootmenu somehow diffrent than that boot from sdcard, or is it same? | 10:53 |
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| hahlobit | johnx: is deblet bootmenu same than boot_from_sdcard? | 11:00 |
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| hahlobit | StsN800: is deblet bootmenu same than boot_from_sdcard? | 11:07 |
| StsN800 | no | 11:07 |
| StsN800 | its an deriative from fanoushes both of them | 11:08 |
| hahlobit | ok thats why ubuntu didn't boot | 11:08 |
| StsN800 | ours is different in terms of that we have linuxrc and .item support | 11:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still need to find a sucker to code up that control panel. . . . | 11:09 |
| StsN800 | linuxrc is needed for sane non-maemo os;P | 11:09 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, will probably be part of Mer i guess | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a team of crack GUI programmers who work only for attaboys. | 11:12 |
| hahlobit | StsN800: ok i installed deblet bootmenu and now can boot ubuntu on outer sdcard and diablo from inner flash, but how could i boot diablo from inner sdcard? it doesn't show it on bootmenu? | 11:12 |
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| StsN800 | hahlobit, find the alpha/beta testing of deblet post on itt, there is something you can put in an .item, put in /etc/bootmenu.d, refresh_bootmenu.d | 11:13 |
| hahlobit | good | 11:14 |
| StsN800 | make sure fs options are not 'ro' and there must be no _LINUXRC line for maemo | 11:14 |
| hahlobit | thanks i try that | 11:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. | 11:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Urgh | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | Ouch.. | 11:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soo, who else noticed Canola in Bugzilla? ;) | 11:24 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Hi | 11:24 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: I just read something you said last night: | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Did you ;) | 11:25 |
| dneary | (for some reason I hadn't realised the significance) | 11:25 |
| dneary | <X-Fade> timsamoff: Why don't you setup a wiki page where people can drop design comments. | 11:25 |
| dneary | <X-Fade> timsamoff: So you can evaluate them, triage and communicate to acunha | 11:26 |
| dneary | then all stuff is in one place. | 11:26 |
| dneary | And not in 20 separate emails. | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, I sometimes have some useful input. I'm not always the community idiot :D | 11:27 |
| dneary | Like I said on the mailing list a couple of weeks back, we have this problem now - sometimes there are Talk: pages, sometimes mailing list, sometimes wiki pages, sometimes other stuff | 11:27 |
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| dneary | So I don't think it's a good idea to move discussion to a web page | 11:27 |
| dneary | Mailing list is for discussion, web page is for evolutive documents | 11:27 |
| dneary | So the way I see things happening is: | 11:28 |
| dneary | People make their comments on the mailing list, creating debate and discussion | 11:28 |
| dneary | Someone (me or Tim?) synthesises comments and debate into a spec | 11:28 |
| dneary | In the wiki | 11:28 |
| dneary | wiki = document, mailing list = discussion | 11:28 |
| dneary | And that way everyone is clear where they should add their grain of salt | 11:29 |
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| hahlobit | Stsn800 where should this /etc/bootmenu.d found? didn't find it on diablo or ubuntu base | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hahlobit: does /usr/libexec/bootmenu exist? if so, just mkdir -p /etc/bootmenu.d | 11:42 |
| dneary | X-Fade: What do you think? | 11:42 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: I don't have time enough to follow all discussions. So seeing a synopsis in a web page is always preferable.. | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | And I think I'm not the only one :) | 12:18 |
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| sampo | GeneralAntilles: now i found out that XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description field thing... that package must be upgraded from the repository..if you update with a package which is on the memcard...changelog wont be shown | 13:10 |
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| hahlobit | where is meizi when needed.. | 13:39 |
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| hahlobit | Stskeeps: what kind of LINUXRC line diablo needs? | 13:42 |
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| hahlobit | none i red | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | none | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | just remoev it | 13:47 |
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| * lcuk is cold today | 14:00 | |
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| Stskeeps | mm, icy outside here too | 14:02 |
| * aquatix was almost blown into the water | 14:02 | |
| aquatix | damn wind | 14:02 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | Yay, I reproduced eero's memory leak! | 14:06 |
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| X-Fade | fiferboy_n810: Great ;) | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy_n810: Well, or not :D | 14:10 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | Well, now I can fix it | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy_n810: Awesome. | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | I am thinking about automated testing after our autobuilder, but problems like this would probably never show up there. | 14:17 |
| fiferboy_n810 | That's a relief. Thanks for bringing this to my attention | 14:17 |
| fiferboy_n810 | Yes, the problem is in one specific configuration | 14:17 |
| t_s_o | i think one can never really make automated tests for these kinds of things... | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: No, leaks on startup etc are doable. But screen refresh/overlap is really hard to test. | 14:20 |
| fiferboy_n810 | I agree | 14:20 |
| fiferboy_n810 | And in this case it require a specific setting, a resize, and disable | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | But we can test if applications go to sleep if the screen blanks etc etc. | 14:21 |
| t_s_o | kinda reminds me of that old story about a sports game, where someone spent days trying to do something that was considered practically impossible. end result, when he finally did it the game crashed... | 14:26 |
| t_s_o | there will alwasy be some pesky corner case or other... | 14:26 |
| fiferboy_n810 | Yep, testing always seems to miss something | 14:27 |
| lcuk | fiferboy_n810, you managed to reproduce the error, one question: did eero contact you first before blurting that thread over the ML? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | Well, at least this was not a root fs corruption or putting the device in a reboot loop ;) | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | aren't we told in lots of places the responsible thing to do with errors and bugs and problems is to contact the responable party first and give them a chance to see if its fixable | 14:29 |
| t_s_o | im guessing a worst case scenario would be a forced reboot | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I think that was a spur of the moment thing from eero. If you follow the thread, you see he calmed down and regretted it a bit. | 14:29 |
| lcuk | lol yeah X-Fade i did (which is why i also didnt reply on the thread) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | though fiferboys new found publicity will have upped installation rates somewhat ;) | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | Heh, I will see the new stats next week :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:31 |
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| X-Fade | Btw, I created a new field to the downloads page. You can add a link to your bugtracker there. | 14:31 |
| lcuk | btw X-Fade i spotted you thinkin you were the community idiot (or something). you are most certainly not, you have been the real face of nokia for lots of things | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | So people can report bugs more easily. | 14:32 |
| fiferboy_n810 | I'm infamous now | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Then something must have gone wrong. I intend to be a community face, not a Nokia face ;) | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | heh ok, you know what i mean though | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy_n810: Let's see if somebody can break your 8MB/s leak rate record :D | 14:33 |
| lcuk | great about bugtracker! now i just need to create yet another account on there :| | 14:33 |
| * lcuk hates creating accounts and watching multiple places | 14:34 | |
| lcuk | if there a way for me to view my product page and get an overview of ALL the places where i might have bugs posted | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: The idea is that _you_ point that link at _your_ _own_ bugtracker ;) | 14:35 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | X-Fade: I'd like to see them try! | 14:35 |
| lcuk | yes, but i have a garage bugtracker, and at some point might have the central one, and if i have google code i have something there and a sourceforge page and all this lot. | 14:36 |
| * lcuk explodes | 14:36 | |
| lcuk | fiferboy_n810, what were the conditions for your leak? | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: You created your own nightmare that way. Just close them all down and move to one? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | "if username=='eero') leakmemory();" | 14:37 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i agree, ive got garage right now | 14:37 |
| lcuk | but wasnt there talk of putting packages into the maemo tracker itself | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, eeror added more icons than can fit on the screen. And that triggered it. | 14:37 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool | 14:37 |
| lcuk | thats logical then | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | hence why not many folks noticed | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | No, because you have to a lot of applications installed _and_ enable them all in the launcher. | 14:38 |
| falcon74 | help to login in myTube? i cant find howto.... :( | 14:38 |
| falcon74 | is this option working? | 14:38 |
| * lcuk yeah x-fade, edge cases like this happen. fiferboy_n810 glad you found it anyway | 14:39 | |
| * lcuk fixed a 10 year old bug yesterday | 14:39 | |
| t_s_o | so one basically had to force the program to attempt to draw outside the border of the desktop? i sense a duh coming on :P | 14:39 |
| lcuk | hiya t_s_o :) | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: Well, one problem is that the applet is listing the icons vertically on install. | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | oops | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: So you don't need that many icons.. | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: Although still quite a bit. | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | heh, i use the launcher for most used games (and some tools) and personal menu for a whole lot more ;) | 14:41 |
| lcuk | we have customers asking for magic buttons - i think maemo would benefit from this technology also | 14:42 |
| t_s_o | heh, more like "do what i mean, not what i say"... | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, if you heard some of the calls we get its unreal. most of the time we can glean a process out of things and get the contract, but sometimes they are living in cloud cuckoo | 14:46 |
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| t_s_o | heh, make someone idiot proof, and the world creates a "better" idiot... | 14:48 |
| lcuk | idiot++ | 14:49 |
| * hahlobit mixed inner and outer sdcard once again sdcard diablo gone :( | 14:49 | |
| t_s_o | hmm? | 14:50 |
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| hahlobit | is there a way copy diablo from inner flashdisk to inner sdcard without touching bootmenu? | 14:52 |
| hahlobit | cp, dd, tar? | 14:53 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | lcuk: Sorry, you had to be in resize mode, enough icons to fill a column, start a resize, then disable the applet | 14:57 |
| lcuk | with your hands tied behind back on a full moon whilst surfing on a dolphin and turtle combination | 14:58 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | Well, that helps | 15:01 |
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| t_s_o | bah, i hate how diablo made it impossible to have bluetooth on while wifi is in offline mode... | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, you mean flight mode? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | or just wifi disconnected? | 15:10 |
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| t_s_o | flight mode. altho the power menu calls it offline mode... | 15:10 |
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| lcuk | but thats right, you shouldnt have any wireless stuff | 15:11 |
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| t_s_o | funny thing is, one can turn it on, but it will turn itself off again after maybe 10 seconds. i smell a script or something going round checking... | 15:12 |
| t_s_o | i guess it would also make a bit more sense if wifi and bluetooth control was rolled up into the same icon... | 15:12 |
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| t_s_o | meh, i guess i could understand it if they had bothered to label it correctly. with the current "offline mode" label, there is no mental connection between it and flying... | 15:14 |
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| aquatix | "offline mode" just means "switch all radios off" | 15:16 |
| aquatix | but it'd be nice to be able to do bluetooth with wifi off indeed | 15:17 |
| lcuk | aquatix, you can, just disconnect wifi.. | 15:18 |
| lcuk | my wifi is off most of the time but BT is ready and waiting | 15:18 |
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| t_s_o | that still leaves the radio chip powered up tho, no? | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | anyway, back to work bbl | 15:19 |
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| t_s_o | so if some pesky program gets the idea that it wants to use the net, it will make wifi connect, or at least go hunt for a available network | 15:19 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: if i disconnect wifi, it still searches for AP's | 15:21 |
| aquatix | i had it autoconnecting at work while i thought it was off | 15:22 |
| aquatix | draining my battery (lousy reception) | 15:22 |
| aquatix | and what t_s_o says indeed | 15:22 |
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| t_s_o | funny, nokia wants to patent gesture control "video style", and its illustrated by drawings. drawings that contain a device that looks like a palm device on a stand :P | 15:24 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:25 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, wifinfo crashes on launch after update... | 15:29 |
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| t_s_o | seems to work while the wifi is not connected... | 15:33 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, i need to poke around the maemo download list more often. not everything is available via app manager... | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | gah! | 15:54 |
| lcuk | for the last few months ive been using my wang happily | 15:54 |
| lcuk | i use it every day (sometimes for big jobs) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | now today it stops working and tells me its got "internal error" \@/ | 15:55 |
| lcuk | anyone know how i can debug my wang? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | dear god the mental images.. | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | lalalalala I can't hear you | 15:58 |
| w00t | perhaps it's friction related | 15:58 |
| w00t | don't use your wang so much | 15:58 |
| lcuk | i use it every day though, its only just been serviced | 15:59 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: try switching hands? | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | heh, it doesnt matter which hand i try | 16:01 |
| lcuk | i unplugged it and back in and it still wont work | 16:02 |
| aquatix | and if you slap it a bit? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | do you think i should try pulling back the cover and checking fora paper jam?> | 16:02 |
| aquatix | yeah, you should try | 16:02 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:02 |
| aquatix | found the problem? ;0 | 16:03 |
| aquatix | * ;) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | no, but there was all sorts of fluff and grime in there | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | i wiggled a cotton bud around until i thought i would lose it | 16:04 |
| lcuk | ahh well, i suppose ill just make do with pdf printing instead | 16:05 |
| * lcuk kicks his wang | 16:05 | |
| * Stskeeps grimaces on the cotton bud reference | 16:05 | |
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| lcuk | im in an office with other people, im trying really hard not to burst out laughin :| | 16:07 |
| lcuk | they know my wang is brokn though, i might escalatet the problem, nothing like sitting around on a friday afternoon nursing a poorly wang | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | :D its working again | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | somehow my drivers had come unstuck | 16:16 |
| aquatix | try sticky keys | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Ehlo. Trouble? | 16:18 |
| aquatix | RST38h: lcuk had issues with his wang | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Try unplugging it from the wall outlet. | 16:18 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:19 |
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| WormFood | did anyone ever port anki http://ichi2.net/anki/ to maemo yet? if I had this program for my n800, I'd never leave my n800 at home | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | checking if it's GTK.. | 16:30 |
| WormFood | no | 16:31 |
| WormFood | it is kde :( | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah, qt | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | you might have a shot with the maemo QT though | 16:31 |
| WormFood | I hate kde/qt | 16:31 |
| WormFood | it does not seem to be too well designed for portable devices | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon | 16:31 |
| WormFood | but it is the perfect app for a hand held device like this | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | you can always bait people on iTT probably | 16:32 |
| WormFood | iTT? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | internettablettalk.com/forums | 16:32 |
| WormFood | quite honestly, I'm not interested in trying to make it work myself | 16:33 |
| WormFood | I'm just a user on the N800, not a developer | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, i meant in terms of getting people to port it :P | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | they might see the benefit for it too | 16:33 |
| WormFood | I did do a little bit of development for the zaurus, but too much of a pain to get everything setup and working | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | (i could see the benefit, but i'm busy doing somethin else :P) | 16:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | it might be ported... search for a thread about kde4 repository for diablo | 16:33 |
| WormFood | thanks for the tips, I may check that out later on | 16:33 |
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| WormFood | is OS2009 gonna come out soon? ;) | 16:34 |
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| WormFood | if I were to post about it, what would be the "right" group? general? | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess | 16:39 |
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| WormFood | ok, thanks for the advice/suggestions | 16:41 |
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| WormFood | I'm learning Chinese, and that program on my N800 would be wonderful, for times when I'm on the bus or subway | 16:42 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: installer on svn up-to-date? | 17:15 |
| fiferboy | Okay, the leak is half fixed (I think) | 17:17 |
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| fiferboy | Yay! It's all better! | 17:25 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: I am uploading my fixed pakage to extras-devel | 17:27 |
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| fiferboy | Could you have eero test it? It should be all fixed now. | 17:27 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: I like the new build-queue status in extras-assistant | 17:44 |
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| * Khertan_WebIrc [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 18:02 | |
| Khertan_WebIrc | Hello : | 18:02 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | Hello ! | 18:02 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | Does there is an existing firewall for maemo ? (to block all outcomming connection exept port 80) | 18:03 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | ping ? | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | There is iptables built in, maybe you could add a rule? | 18:03 |
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| fiferboy | Okay, newly fixed Personal Launcher is now in extras-devel | 18:04 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | hum ... yep ... but ... i want something that can be activated and deactivated simply | 18:04 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | the best would be setting dependant of connection :) | 18:05 |
| fiferboy | I'll promote it once someone can confirm that it fixes eero's bug | 18:05 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc | does we can get the name of the actual connection ? | 18:05 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | with libconic ? | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_WebIrc, You are deceiving me! :P :). You are a python programmer, I'm sure you can write a quick program that toggles it :). Then you can use something like conler (way easier) or dbus-scripts to add that script to a connection | 18:06 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | yep this what i m thinking | 18:06 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | no no no no ... better ... use libconic // alarmd | 18:06 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc | so at each connection .... | 18:06 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | retrieve name ... and change rules | 18:06 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | there is some flag for alarm that trigger an alarm when connection is available | 18:07 |
| Khertan_WebIrc | it seems that i get some lags with this without java irc client | 18:09 |
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| * Khertan_WebIrc2 [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 18:11 | |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | Oups ... i ve close the tab | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:12 |
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| * qwerty12 can't decide how python is loved by so many :p. I'm even having annoyances with distutils :P | 18:12 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: when you start using it after using java, it's a fresh breath | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, oh, I've never had an inclination to touch java :P. Only thing good about java is MIDP2 games :p | 18:13 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | if you want to try ... : http://www.web2irc.com/w2i-1.0beta2/chat.php?nickname=ENTERANICK&channel=%23maemo&age=&city=&server=irc.freenode.net&port=6667&lang=en&submit=Chat+NOW! | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_WebIrc2: you on your tablet or? :P | 18:13 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | if i can i avoid it ... and if not ... i kill it | 18:13 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | nope at work | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | maybe mibbit is better than that client | 18:14 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | but i ll try on my tab | 18:14 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | nit | 18:14 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | as i need now to use port 80 with my phone data | 18:14 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc3 | Just a test to see the lag | 18:15 |
| Khertan_WebIrc3 | y | 18:15 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | y | 18:15 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | hum ... not so bad | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | When using distutils, is there any way to make a file you specify as a "data_files" to go in the site-packages folder automatically? | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Without me hardcoding a path | 18:17 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | hum ... slow | 18:17 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | yep | 18:17 |
| Khertan_mibbit | and don't like the ui | 18:17 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | me too | 18:18 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc2 | :) | 18:18 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | distutils ? are you doing python things ? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I'm trying to make a package of a python program, I've got everything sorted out, I just need to move one file into site-packages. If I cant figure it out, I'll let debian/rules do the moving | 18:20 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: Look at the source package of titan, it uses the rules file to copy some files | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, Cool, thanks for that, I will take a look. I've hardcoded a path for now in setup.py but I would like it done "dynamically" because you never know with python... | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Grr, permissions on /tmp messed up again | 18:24 |
| fiferboy | Ah, perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to do. Titan just has the debian package structure, a data directory containing all the files, and a rules file to put everything in place | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | No, it's useful to me, thanks. I have more power with a Makefile (debian/rules in this case) than I do with distutils :) | 18:26 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | you also make a pkg which put it in a temp directory and move it with a postinst | 18:28 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc2 | (but do not forget to delete it with postremove | 18:28 |
| Khertan_WebIrc2 | ) | 18:28 |
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| qwerty12 | I settled with making setup.py move the file to /usr/tmp and then making debian/rules make the destination directory of where I want the file to go, run mv to move that file from tmp and place it in my destination and then rm -rf to remove the tmp folder | 18:33 |
| Proteous | hmm | 18:35 |
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| Proteous | you should add a few more move steps in there | 18:36 |
| Proteous | you know, to keep it interesting | 18:36 |
| * qwerty12 offers Proteous a package that runs rm -rf / :P | 18:36 | |
| * Proteous tries to run it as not root | 18:37 | |
| Proteous | man, this package sucks | 18:37 |
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| WormFood | is there a way to make the application manager quit telling me an application isn't from nokia when I try to install something? | 18:51 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc2 | bye | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: I need to avail myself of your excellent postinst skills | 18:58 |
| fiferboy | I made a metapackage that changes the name of lsbc to personal clock, and this works fine. Shows up in the application manager and everything. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant. :) | 18:59 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't have any postinst skills :) | 18:59 | |
| fiferboy | The problem is, it remove lsbc from the statusbar (because I renamed the library files) and doesn't put personal clock in | 18:59 |
| fiferboy | Okay, sed skills then. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, pybattery thread? | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | I want to see if I can add the proper lines in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | Yep :) | 19:00 |
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| fiferboy | Otherwise the user has to go back into control panel and reselect the statusbar entries. | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | That's not the worst thing in the world, but I would rather not have to go through that. | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | sed probably could replace the name of your old desktop file with the name of your new one, you'd just have to remember to chown back to user:users when done | 19:01 |
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| fiferboy | I guess I would have to do that in the presint script of the large-statusbar-clock package, because otherwise those line will be gone | 19:03 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: Probably a pretty basic question, but what would the sed line be to replace all instances of "large-statusbar-clock" with "personal-clock" in the file /home/user/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | s/^large-statusbar-clock/personal-clock/g should do it | 19:10 |
| * qwerty12 isn't that great at sed btw :/ | 19:11 | |
| fiferboy | Well, better some experience than no experience :) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:13 |
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| fiferboy | Thanks for the starting point | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | No problems (Personal Launcher, Personal Menu & Large Statusbar Clock user) *grin* :) | 19:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know how to use connic lib to know which connection is active ? | 19:25 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/11/woz_segway_pee.jpg | 19:29 |
| RST38h | priceless | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Hah | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: lol | 19:31 |
| * qwerty12 is pleased to know that hildon-desktop shits out when running an app with a dodgy desktop file | 19:33 | |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | are u sure ? | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Yeah, just commented out 2 lines relating to starting up the app with dbus, works now. I think osso-type is wrong... | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t get crash when desktop file is wrong | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | just get nothing | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | no log | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | very easy to fix | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | this why most of the time a small app is 50% time to code it | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the rest to make the .desktop file working | 19:35 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Don't think dbus likes an "-" in the service name | 19:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, "-" is not allowed. | 19:39 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: In the pybattery thread, you have an if; then; fi statement. What does xMandatory=true mean? | 19:45 |
| fiferboy | if [ x$12MandCheck = xMandatory=true ]; then | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, I check to see if the line has already been commented as an "insurance policy" of hildon-desktop reactivating the original battery applet. If the mandatory line has not been commented out, then sed is run to comment it out | 19:46 |
| fiferboy | Ah, gotch. If I do: 12MandCheck=`cat $qConfFile |grep large-statusbar-clok` | 19:47 |
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| fiferboy | And then: if [x$12MandCheck ]; then | 19:47 |
| fiferboy | Would that execute the if statement only if a result was found for the grep? | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12 | If the file contains #Mandatory=true, then sed isn't run | 19:48 |
| fiferboy | Superb. I'll give it a try. Thanks! | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:48 |
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| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, i was still having problems with my wang, it only appeared to be resolved | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | still not 100% sure what you're talking about | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, his wang! | 20:10 |
| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, my printer at work | 20:12 |
| lcuk2 | why what else could it be? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | i was either thinking a penis or a diskless terminal.. | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:14 |
| * qwerty12 thought penis too but i'm a dirty bastard anyway :P | 20:15 | |
| lcuk2 | heh | 20:15 |
| lcuk2 | you missed the first convo qwerty | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | ah :) | 20:15 |
| lcuk2 | it was much longer and more indepth | 20:15 |
| lcuk2 | i think i even made sts wince | 20:15 |
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| Khertan_n810 | noone want to write a good simple gtk audio player ? | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | that can be use with finger ? | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | canola eat too many ressources | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I just want an music player that is light on resources so here I am compiling each part of mpd with opts... | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | the default one use that stupid metalayer crawler db | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | which is desactived on my nit | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, did you read about the c++ compiler for flash? | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | as 10min of wait each time i use usb | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Tried youamp? I wouldn't call it finger friendly but it's not bad on resources + it's written in python | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | c++ compiler for flash ? | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> yep not finger friendly | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | yeah, inline c++ code gets compiled and ran within the flash, opens up some extra doors | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2 : flash ? the things used to display only ads on web site ? and eating cpu ? | 20:29 |
| lcuk2 | heh khertan, yes - i wasnt thinking from the flash perspective though, its an interesting proposal if applied to something like python | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> maybe i could do finger friendly fork | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.cs.tut.fi/~ask/cinpy/ | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | flash and python ? uh ... | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | strange idea | 20:30 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk2, the screenshot is interesting :) | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | w8 ... | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | yeah :D | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s loading | 20:31 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ah ... bump ... browserd is dead | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | so it s doesn t load | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | i only mentioned the flash one because it made big news this week | 20:31 |
| lcuk2 | but i'd seen the python one first | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, as root, /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon force-reload | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | Bye, takeaway time *grin* :) | 20:32 |
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| lcuk2 | holy moly, from another perspective, the tcc library it uses appears to be 10x faster than gcc \o/ | 20:33 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2: not really impress | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | heh, it makes me think about other things :) | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | this add dependancy | 20:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and make code more unreadable | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | so maintainable | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | psycho is a better way i think | 20:37 |
| lcuk2 | of course it does in your case, whats psycho? | 20:38 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh python compiler | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | 7260 user SW 40112 1 0.0 5431.5 browserd | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | nice memory optimization | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | 5431 % of memory use | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | i understand why my nit lag so much | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | and this without any browser window open | 20:40 |
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| * Khertan_n810 is thinking of a way to display the sync progress in mcalendar | 20:41 | |
| Khertan_n810 | without using so many precious screen space | 20:41 |
| lcuk2 | is sync a background operation? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | and with enough information to not let s the user think that the sync process is locked | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, any good tools for checking how a MMC is doing? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2: yep | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, then just have a throbber (like desktop browser) active and circling whilst its going | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | clicking the throbber should of course bring up a dialog showing actual progress | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: fsck.fat or fsck.msdos | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm, this thing runs ext3 so :P | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | was more thinking on the block level | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... not a bad idea | 20:43 |
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| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, http://angrycatproductions.blogspot.com/2007/08/animated-gif-for-tango-throbber.html | 20:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | does gtk support animated gif in a gtk.button container ? | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll try :) | 20:48 |
| * Khertan_n810 is loading glade (yep on the nit) | 20:48 | |
| lcuk2 | yeah ive seen you try that one before ;) | 20:49 |
| lcuk2 | you have the same madness gene as me :P | 20:49 |
| RST38h | back | 20:51 |
| RST38h | yea, let us rename to #assorted-nuts | 20:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... gif load ... with an white background | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | and doesn t loop | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | anim is play on time | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe some property can fix this | 20:53 |
| lcuk2 | ok, well you will find your own way, hopefully it will help | 20:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | thx _) | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:54 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, hows the rest of it going, is it looking and feeling good yet? | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | but if browser use it maybe i should for a native widget | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2 : i need to fix some sync glitch | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | add a sync log | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the autosync feature | 20:56 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, it was the idea more than the specific. the throbber type animated image lets people know something is happening | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep :) | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | but the project is around 80% finish | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | i already use it all day :) | 20:57 |
| lcuk2 | can you display sync progress without it being background - to try and identify fault | 20:57 |
| lcuk2 | nice! | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep error is logged | 20:57 |
| lcuk2 | that 20% is always the hardest ;) | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | and yep there is communication between the main ui and the bg sync | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | process | 20:58 |
| lcuk2 | i made a mistake at work today and put the ui in place before the background code, the boss got all excited, i had to reign him in | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 20:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | for mcalendar 0.5 ... i ve started by writing the framework | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | then the sync module | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | then the ui | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | heh yeah, principle core elements | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | and after the prefs | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i ve found a way for the problem of opening new windows which is slow :) | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | virtual windows | 21:00 |
| lcuk2 | hmmm, ive never had a problem with slow windows | 21:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | (a gtk.vbox where widget are hide and show) | 21:00 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2: because you don t use python :) | 21:01 |
| * lcuk2 throws up a little bit | 21:01 | |
| lcuk2 | nahhhh, i use python apps | 21:01 |
| lcuk2 | they arent all dog slow | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is like the loading ... the first launch of the ui take arround 90s ... | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | when i launch it the first time | 21:01 |
| lcuk2 | :O holy mother of underpoweredness | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | after several weeks of code | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | but a way is loading primary things in the main gtk.loop | 21:02 |
| lcuk2 | i was complaining about the 0.5s delay when changing resolution | 21:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the other in a separate process | 21:02 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, what language do you write in for your day job? | 21:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | haha ... not python ... :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk2 | is it python or (let me guess) .net | 21:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | something more ... | 21:03 |
| lcuk2 | oooh gfi | 21:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | How to say | 21:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | proprietary | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | not very well know | 21:04 |
| lcuk2 | :D heh | 21:04 |
| lcuk2 | the kracken | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s french language | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | made by a french company | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | 4D | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | name : 4D | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a rad and a language ... but also a database _) | 21:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | http://www.4D.com | 21:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | but their plan to leave 4d in one or two year ... | 21:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and some people in direction think to do the future version with c#.net | 21:06 |
| * lcuk2 shudders | 21:06 | |
| Khertan_n810 | but as i m the project leader | 21:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll try to force python / gtk | 21:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | () | 21:07 |
| lcuk2 | if you leave 4d do you evolve into 5d? | 21:07 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 21:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes on windows :) | 21:07 |
| lcuk2 | im not sure which would be slower ;) | 21:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | .net of course ... :) | 21:07 |
| * lcuk2 was told today that .net didnt like it when you used sql server to create queries and views and that inline sql on a grid was the way forward | 21:08 | |
| Khertan_n810 | yesterday my director ask for a prototype of an app ... | 21:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | for a future project | 21:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i do one in one day in pygtk | 21:08 |
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| Khertan_n810 | while they have ask to two guy to do a prototype which deliver it today | 21:09 |
| lcuk2 | heh, its always good to be comfortable enough with a language that its like putty in your hands | 21:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | and their c#.net ui was very ugly | 21:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | it let me think of the win 3.1 win | 21:10 |
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| lcuk2 | i tihnk you can make stunning looking .net apps, but the IDE and the speed of the final thing and the complexities of things are diabolical | 21:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | glade and some nice icon set and something to override the gui gtk theme is a good thing | 21:10 |
| lcuk2 | how good is printing support and interoperability with office and stuff? | 21:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk2: you can ... but it s not fast or you do it fast by using proprietary module/lib which cost money | 21:11 |
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| * lcuk2 sticks with visual basic ;) | 21:12 | |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk interoperablity on c#.net with ms office seems good | 21:12 |
| lcuk2 | nahhh, its not all its cracked up to be | 21:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but not with oo | 21:13 |
| lcuk2 | the interop libraries it has to create seem targeted at specific versions, i can write stuff once and it will talk to any version of office all the way back to '97 | 21:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | which is a require | 21:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | do you know any ms apps which do compatible with old version ? | 21:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/compatible/compatible format | 21:14 |
| lcuk2 | what do you mean? | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | word craps the page layout | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | each time | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | open an ms office word document created on word 2003 on office word xp | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | page layout is fucked | 21:16 |
| lcuk2 | for the stuff one of our customers needs it works and is used everyday for their docs, it only crapped out once when they tried to save a template as '07 docx (when run on one of the older machines in the company) | 21:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | do it the otherway ... same things | 21:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and ... better ... with the same version running on on computer using xp and an other running vista ... | 21:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | you ll not get the same render | 21:17 |
| lcuk2 | well vista just screws things up all on its own | 21:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/on/one | 21:17 |
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| * Stskeeps uploads first Mer i386 pacakge.. | 21:20 | |
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| l7 | hmm, when you're booting from SD, do you really need to have a FAT partition at all? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | to stop maemo from annoying you, year | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:24 |
| l7 | it seems like you could store all your stuff in MyDocs or a second SD card | 21:24 |
| l7 | hrm, what does maemo do if if can't find a FAT partition? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | say the card is corrupted | 21:25 |
| l7 | hrm, that's too bad | 21:25 |
| l7 | so maybe penguinbait's 3 partition setup does make sense | 21:26 |
| l7 | any idea where the performance boost from using a dedicated swap partition would reveal itself? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i think someone said recently swap files are as fast as partitions these days | 21:27 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i still don't understand... are you compiling maemos packages for multiple architectures? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yup | 21:28 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | i386 is a demand from my work so | 21:28 |
| Meizirkki | okay | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | we -might- eventually follow jaunty's lead though | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | but let's keep our options open | 21:29 |
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| Meizirkki | this sounds really good =P | 21:32 |
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| mmatth | is this the proper channel for figuring out how to enable core dumps on n810? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ubuntu on ones old 400mhz could be cool :P | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mmatth, make a folder called core-dumps on the root of either memory card | 21:34 |
| mmatth | did that, but who's specifying that the dumps should show up there? i tried editing /sys/proc/kernel/core_pattern to specify the location & name but on reboot the file is empty again | 21:35 |
| l7 | 21:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | mmatth, read /mnt/initfs/linuxrc | 21:36 |
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| mmatth | i see enable_coredumps in there and it specifies the core_pattern, but if that is running then why would /sys/proc/kernel/core_pattern be of size 0 | 21:38 |
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| zakkm | If i did clone to SD, and i install deblet.. would it make it .. flash, SD, deblet. .. in boot menu? | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | in the world where penguinbait supports bootmenu.d, yeah | 21:51 |
| zakkm | no like would it replace, or just add an entry? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | it would replace in the menu ideally | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | you would have to make your own .item | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | is quite easy, really | 21:54 |
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| zakkm | just want to try it. got a new 4gb SD card. but i dont want it to screw up anything i already have. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | trying out cloning or? | 21:55 |
| zakkm | no i already have cloned to SD | 21:55 |
| zakkm | trying out deblet. | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | meh.. i would for Mer personally | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | deblet is so 90s now | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:56 |
| zakkm | Mer? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | +wait | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, the maemo reconstructed thing we're working on | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | it has a lot more potential | 21:56 |
| zakkm | i know, but i was told it still has alot of work | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | swell | 21:57 |
| zakkm | i was told not to try it yet | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | well if you install deblet i'll help you with the .item :P | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | (dont start flashiing when you're done with install) | 21:59 |
| zakkm | i dont currently have wifi at home ;p | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you want to design Mer's initfs? :> | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| zakkm | i bought the n800 thinking i had a wifi router at home, but my dad said it broke | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'm a bad scripter :P (but still willing). But what's planned to be different about mer's initfs compared to deblet's one? :) | 22:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: you use internet via bluetooth or usb cable? | 22:01 |
| zakkm | dont have bluetooth but could that work .. i could buy a dongle? | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: first off non-nokia specific.. and the problematique if we want it to be an alternative root partition or a initfs | 22:02 |
| zakkm | I have Mac OSX... i was told usb cable wouldnt work? | 22:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkm, yep you need that... | 22:02 |
| zakkm | theres bluetooth for internet? | 22:02 |
| zakkm | would it work on Mac OSX? | 22:02 |
| mmatth | if enable_coredumps is being run in /mnt/initfs/linuxrc then why would /sys/proc/kernel/core_pattern be of size 0 ? | 22:03 |
| zakkm | cause there is no dumps yet? :P | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ahh.. But how can bme/dsme be replaced? | 22:03 |
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| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: if you have mac osx you should be able to easily create wifi ap? | 22:03 |
| zakkm | pc doesnt have wifi though | 22:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 22:04 |
| zakkm | is there a way to get usb networking working?' | 22:04 |
| mmatth | so that only occurs when core is about to be dumped? | 22:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | i don't know hoe to set bt-net in mac | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: also a good discussion - BME would for example be vendor provided, so it would just be executed as part of a init script or something | 22:04 |
| zakkm | nah, usb-net | 22:04 |
| zakkm | i guess i could install xp ? | 22:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: what about buying wifi dongle? | 22:05 |
| zakkm | would rather not though | 22:05 |
| zakkm | is all i have to do is buy a wifi dongle.. attach to pc | 22:06 |
| zakkm | and thats it? theorically | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, usb-net does not work at all in xp | 22:06 |
| zakkm | ? | 22:06 |
| zakkm | it worked in 2000, on a school pc? | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with a 770? | 22:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | if you use mac, there should be ability to easily share internet via wlan | 22:06 |
| zakkm | n800 | 22:06 |
| zakkm | i mean like | 22:06 |
| zakkm | is that all i need... a wifi dongle for pc? | 22:07 |
| zakkm | not talking software work | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you could try it but the kernel has broken musb | 22:07 |
| zakkm | no it did work in school.. | 22:07 |
| zakkm | but i dont have windows at home | 22:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | windows is crap | 22:08 |
| zakkm | what does usb networking require then? | 22:08 |
| zakkm | lol | 22:08 |
| zakkm | i got linux installed on a seperate partition, but its quite uhh not finished? | 22:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have never been able to set up bt-net in windows... | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, true :). but openoffice will never replace ms office for me | 22:08 |
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| zakkm | i wouldnt like to dualboot though, just to use usbnetworking | 22:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, same. g_serial works though | 22:08 |
| zakkm | MS 2003 .. is the best office suite :P | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 2007 with classic menu addon :P | 22:09 |
| zakkm | If i boot into linux, can you guys help me out with usb networking? | 22:09 |
| zakkm | theres a classic menu addon? | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yer, shareware but you know me... | 22:09 |
| zakkm | oh that is sick | 22:09 |
| zakkm | just google'd it | 22:09 |
| zakkm | never seen that before | 22:10 |
| zakkm | okay maybe that might be best | 22:10 |
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| zakkm | If i boot into linux, could you guys help me with usb networking? | 22:15 |
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| makak | Hi ! | 22:30 |
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| zakkkm_n800 | hi | 22:32 |
| zakkkm_n800 | how do i do the nokia n800 usb networking in linux? | 22:32 |
| makak | hum | 22:33 |
| makak | I think you have to download a package like usb-networking or a stuff like that | 22:33 |
| makak | I check | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | zakkkm_n800: on maemo side or on linux side? | 22:33 |
| zakkkm_n800 | both? | 22:34 |
| zakkkm_n800 | i just booted into linux, and attached my nokia by usb | 22:34 |
| lcuk2 | isnt that a chicken and egg problem - need to download stuff over the network to setup networking | 22:34 |
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| zak__ | weird, internet cut off | 22:34 |
| makak | on maemo side : maemo-control-usb | 22:35 |
| zak__ | i think i got that? | 22:35 |
| zak__ | was that in like extras? | 22:35 |
| makak | on the linux side, I don't know | 22:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have not tested, but i believe it should work via the same bridge i used for bluetooth pan | 22:36 |
| makak | This tool is seen on the control panel | 22:36 |
| zak__ | yeah | 22:36 |
| zak__ | i have it there | 22:36 |
| zak__ | in control panel | 22:36 |
| makak | don(t you see any usb networking there ? | 22:37 |
| makak | you have to set it up first | 22:37 |
| zak__ | i do | 22:37 |
| zak__ | but it doesnt work | 22:37 |
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| zak__ | says module insertion failed | 22:37 |
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| makak | hum, well, I don't know then | 22:38 |
| makak | sorry | 22:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | zak__: at computer side, install iptables, bridge-utils | 22:38 |
| zak__ | k give me two seconds | 22:38 |
| zak__ | okay they're installed | 22:38 |
| zak__ | Meiz_n810: now what? | 22:38 |
| makak | with me it worked as is but I sure I already had packages for that | 22:38 |
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| Meiz_n810 | with | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | *wait | 22:39 |
| zak__ | okay, sorry :( | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | np | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | add these lines into /etc/network/interfaces | 22:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://pastebin.com/d2034f064 | 22:40 |
| zak__ | i dont have that folder | 22:40 |
| zak__ | /etc/network | 22:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 22:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | what distro you use? | 22:40 |
| zak__ | arch | 22:41 |
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| zak__ | trying to google arch's equivalent | 22:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | this should work with debian based distros... | 22:42 |
| zak__ | i know | 22:42 |
| zak__ | i dont have a debian based distro | 22:42 |
| zak__ | i got network.d though | 22:42 |
| zak__ | which supposely does the same | 22:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 22:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | is there interfaces inside that dir? | 22:43 |
| zak__ | no but i think im suppose to make one? | 22:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | no, it might not work | 22:44 |
| zak__ | A profile is a single text file in /etc/network.d which defines variables used by netcfg. The file name will become the name of the profile, and can be anything you wish, it is not a setting involved in the connection. | 22:44 |
| zak__ | i guess im installing ubuntu? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | if you want :P | 22:45 |
| zak__ | well it doesnt look like this is working | 22:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have only tested this with bluetooth and ubuntu... | 22:45 |
| zak__ | i dont have bluetooth :( | 22:45 |
| zak__ | ill buy one this weekend i suppose. | 22:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | with little modifications it should work with usb too | 22:46 |
| zak__ | wait, Stskeeps: how do you do usb networking with linux? | 22:46 |
| zak__ | i got a ubuntu server 7.04 disc? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | zak__: modprobe usb0, ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 gets me machine->usb atleast.. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | usb/nokia | 22:46 |
| zak__ | on nokia? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | i dunno how the usb control thing on nokia works | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | on linux | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | modprobe usbnet, that is | 22:47 |
| zak__ | would that probably work for me now? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to take out the cable again after modprobe though | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | and insert again | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | i know how to make a bridge, if that is needed | 22:48 |
| zak__ | modprobe usbnet worked? | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | (in ubuntu) | 22:48 |
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| zak__ | usb0 no such device ;p | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | insert cable again? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | and is the usb control set correctly at the nokia? | 22:49 |
| zak__ | uhh | 22:49 |
| zak__ | problem | 22:49 |
| zak__ | i unplugged usb | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rmmod g_file_storage and insmod g_ether on the tablet | 22:49 |
| zak__ | but my nokia still thinks a usb is in | 22:50 |
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| zak__ | how do i fix that? :( | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | what qwerty12_N800 said | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:51 |
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| zak__ | g_file_storage no such directory? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | lsmod has g_ether in it? | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 22:52 |
| zak__ | oui | 22:52 |
| zak__ | yes | 22:52 |
| zak__ | why does it say its connected by usb... its not | 22:52 |
| zak__ | i unplugged it | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | its a gadget | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | ifconfig usb0 up | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | on tablet | 22:53 |
| zak__ | do i attach by usb for this? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just before i guess | 22:53 |
| zak__ | ok it worked? | 22:54 |
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| zak__ | now what? :P | 22:54 |
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| zakkm | Would bluetooth headsets work on the nokia n800 ? | 23:09 |
| zakkm | for voice chats?/ listening | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | think so, yeah | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | not for a2dp though | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | well | 23:09 |
| zakkm | ? | 23:10 |
| zakkm | a2dp? | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | you know so you have crystal clear sound.. compared to bluetooth headsets | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | and a2dp isn't supported natively yet in the os | 23:10 |
| RST38h | KILL. KILL. | 23:10 |
| RST38h | DESTROY? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | ..? | 23:10 |
| zakkm | so poor sound quality? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | ABORT, RETRY, FAIL? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: never actually tried so :P | 23:11 |
| * aquatix never understood the difference between abort and fail | 23:11 | |
| ShadowJK_ | zakkm, sound like a cellphone call | 23:11 |
| zakkm | thought it would be cool to get a call from google talk and be like answer.. and talk thru a headset ;p | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 23:11 |
| aquatix | zakkm: you can | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, EXACTLY what i was going to say :P | 23:11 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: lol | 23:11 |
| zakkm | abort .. to quit by choice ... fail = you lost without a choice | 23:11 |
| zakkm | i think ;p | 23:12 |
| zakkm | aquatix: bluetooth headset though? | 23:12 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: yeah | 23:12 |
| aquatix | times 2 :) | 23:12 |
| zakkm | sweet im getting one | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: ABORT - stop action, exit | 23:13 |
| RST38h | aquatix: FAIL - return failure status to the caller | 23:13 |
| aquatix | yeah, figured | 23:13 |
| aquatix | but still a tad odd to bother the user with | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: It came from CP/M times. Users were geeks then. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Nerds even. Geeks are a different, lesser breed | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm. cp/m | 23:15 |
| zakkm | would bt-net work on mac? | 23:15 |
| zakkm | my friend offered to sell me a bluetooth adapter for $5 ? | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what are the positive sides of jaunty so far? | 23:16 |
| RST38h | haggle and buy it for $3! | 23:16 |
| zakkm | lol | 23:16 |
| zakkm | $5 doesnt matter ;p | 23:16 |
| zakkm | but would it work through mac? | 23:16 |
| RST38h | Who knows? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Who cares? | 23:17 |
| zakkm | ? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | steve jobs might | 23:17 |
| zakkm | i have mac osx? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | on both questions | 23:17 |
| RST38h | zakkm: it is not a Mac forum. | 23:17 |
| zakkm | i know | 23:17 |
| lcuk | zakkm, try it - i dont use mac so i wouldnt know | 23:17 |
| zakkm | but im referring to bt-net ... | 23:17 |
| zakkm | not would a bluetooth adapter work on mac | 23:18 |
| RST38h | GeneralAntilles seems to own a Mac - ask him if he is around. | 23:18 |
| zakkm | i know it will work | 23:18 |
| zakkm | but can i use bt-net on my nokia.. to connect to the mac? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | if you try it we will know | 23:18 |
| lcuk | until then we can't answer ;) | 23:19 |
| lcuk | maybe google will know | 23:19 |
| zakkm | i thought you guys were the keepers of everything NIT | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nit - yes, Mac - no | 23:20 |
| zakkm | ;p | 23:20 |
| lcuk | yes, qwerty has nits | 23:21 |
| zakkm | do any of you know a free voip service that works for calling landlines? :P ( free ) ? | 23:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: comparing to debian-armel: it does not show me I/O errors if my tablet crashes in the middle of installing software. Comparing to mojo: this far, i don't really know.... i have to just play aroud a littlebit more | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aiii!!! | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how about boot speed? | 23:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | with jaunt, it feels littlebit faster... | 23:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | not sure | 23:29 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 23:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | jaunty is newer anyway =P | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | well i guess it depends if you have dash or bash :P | 23:29 |
| tlacuache | anyone point me to where i can get ruby/libruby for diablo? i tried the chinook packages here http://pupnik.de/ruby.html but libssl0.9.7 is required, and diablo has a newer version | 23:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: with jaunty, it is weird that my tablet have now crashed 2 times when installing ubuntu-desktop and CPU is set to performance mode. | 23:32 |
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| l7 | zakkm: what is bt-net? | 23:32 |
| zakkm | bluetooth networking | 23:32 |
| zakkm | i heard that exists? | 23:32 |
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| l7 | bluetooth file sharing worked on my mac back in chinook, i haven't tried it lately though | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: on power or without? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | as in, charging | 23:33 |
| l7 | why would you use bt-net instead of wifi though? | 23:33 |
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| fiferboy | Since nobody has complained about personal-launch in extras-devel, I'm going to promote it. | 23:36 |
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| zakkm | l7: dont have wifi at home | 23:37 |
| zakkm | l7: able to get a bluetooth adapter for $5 | 23:37 |
| fiferboy | It fixes eero's memory leak | 23:37 |
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| Meiz_n810_ | Stskeeps: now 3 times. there is something wrong with gconf2 | 23:38 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, :) | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810_: odd | 23:39 |
| fiferboy | Well, it was fixed less than 24 hours after it was found (and a couple hours after I got details on how to reproduce) | 23:39 |
| fiferboy | I am definitely in favour of informing developers of misbehaving applications, rather than spontaneously demoting from extras | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: voicing your views on mailing list will definately help on developing the process :) | 23:40 |
| fiferboy | I guess I should get on that mailing list... | 23:41 |
| * zakkm wants to know how to join this mailing list | 23:41 | |
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| matrx | zakm- bluetooth networking (pand) is not easy to setup on the nokia, and bluetooth dialup is not easy to setup at home, so you are better off investing in a crappy $10 wifi router | 23:43 |
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| zakkm | using pc's internet.. on the nokia.. through bluetooth | 23:43 |
| zakkm | not the other way around | 23:43 |
| matrx | yes, that's what i said | 23:43 |
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| zakkm | ah, sorry. | 23:44 |
| zakkm | i cant find a $10 router | 23:45 |
| l7 | zakkm: have you tried using your mac as an ad hoc wifi access point? | 23:46 |
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| zakkm | i dont have wifi... | 23:47 |
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| matrx | don't get me wrong, it can work, but it's not novice level even with the new pand packages | 23:48 |
| matrx | but instead of bt, you're much better served by wifi. i bought a cheap linksys at the source for $15 with tax in 2006, i'm sure you can get a used wifi router from a friend. | 23:48 |
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| zakkm | nah, i've tried.. and $15 is too much. i just recently bought ram and a new 4gb SD like two days ago | 23:49 |
| zakkm | im on a highschool student budget | 23:49 |
| guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to turn ilbc's to wavs/mp3? | 23:49 |
| zakkm | i couldnt even find one for $15 | 23:49 |
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| wnd | guysoft42, rfc 3951 has fully functional source example for encoding/decoding ilbc | 23:53 |
| guysoft42 | wnd, is there a linux command tool? | 23:53 |
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| wnd | I once built a makefile to strip the sources from it and wrote frontends for the libraries | 23:54 |
| wnd | I was supposed to release the sources to public but I never got past figuring out proper licence | 23:54 |
| mik_ | matrx: do you know of any docs for the pand-setup procedure? | 23:54 |
| wnd | if you can figure out the legal issues I'd gladly release my part of the thing | 23:55 |
| makak | re | 23:55 |
| makak | hey, is it possible to enable transparent background for the Nokia on Xchat ? | 23:57 |
| matrx | i setup maemo-pan using the docs on the wiki | 23:58 |
| mik_ | i tried to setup maemo-pan using the docs in the wiki - and failed... | 23:58 |
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| matrx | was it using the script or using the dummy device? | 23:58 |
| mik_ | dummy device | 23:59 |
| mik_ | the other end of the pan is a windows mobile 6 device | 23:59 |
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