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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're a sick person. | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | this guy would be the most irritating to have as a contact | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Why "Mer"? | 00:11 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: pipe your bash commands too? :O http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/bti.html | 00:11 |
| RST38h | You should really rename it into "La Mer" =) | 00:12 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hehe, this has a bit of purpose, it's not just a log | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | huzzah! i have 1KB downloads for liqbase :D http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ (would be nice to have more than 4bit voting) | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | ie vote now :P | 00:40 |
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| jagernot | nice lcuk | 00:43 |
| jagernot | 2 questions from a wannabe...how do i get my app into multimedia, and how do i take screenshots? | 00:44 |
| lcuk | after you have registered your project with extras and got it through the serious builder you can then build up one of these download pages, and as for taking screenshots, i dunno in general maemo, liqbase includes screenshot capabilities by default (just press the [Fullscreen] button anywhere in the system :) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and if you think its nice vote for the sucker :P | 00:46 |
| * lcuk rarely whores his app it normally does the talking | 00:46 | |
| jagernot | that whore title goes to jag/boxar :) | 00:46 |
| mikkov_ | load applet can take screenshots | 00:47 |
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| jagernot | where is this load applet mikkov? | 00:47 |
| mikkov_ | extras | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use x11vnc. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since I've got a script to automatically capture, crop, compress, upload and stick the URL into my clipboard on my computer. ;) | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i bet you've given your script some kind of catchy name like "autocropcompressuploadcopyurlclip.sh" havent u | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | wincapnsize | 00:52 |
| lcuk | at the moment, its a multiple step process to upload images taken in liqbase to my server, but at least the media stream is sensible and I know i just sort the folder to get the latest stuff | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | though i have got an upload script already available | 00:54 |
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| * lcuk cant believe my whoring didnt work :'( no1 voted for it http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 00:55 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk is a bad pimp. | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give me $5 | 00:56 |
| lcuk | yeah qwerty i am :( | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | so qwerty12_N800 how would i do it better then | 00:57 |
| lcuk | and GeneralAntilles i already owe you beers, ill just add more onto the tab | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rated | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whore | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | thats just bad form qwerty, now i cant find anything | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:01 |
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| Genobob | Hello, i have a quick question | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | fire away bob | 01:08 |
| Genobob | does the Maemo OS have the ability to be a simple Kiosk? My needs for the Nokia N810 would be simple and ONLY to access the internet over wifi via a web browser, and perhaps have the GPS on. I want to make it so the user only can have the web browser open if possible | 01:09 |
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| Genobob | so basically lock it down completely. Make sense? | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably hack yourself into that situation, yeah | 01:09 |
| Genobob | I do not have the N810 yet, just looking into it currently. I am most familiar with Slackware as a Desktop OS. Does anyone have tips on how to do it? | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's a matter of tinkering quite a bit, but not impossible | 01:11 |
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| Genobob | so it is possible. Awesome. Do you know of anyone who has done what I am considering? | 01:13 |
| timeless | i saw an internal demo | 01:13 |
| timeless | :) | 01:13 |
| Genobob | lol | 01:13 |
| Genobob | alright, thanks | 01:14 |
| timeless | but in general it'd take a considerable amount of effort | 01:14 |
| timeless | typically the browser will let you launch other apps | 01:14 |
| timeless | you'd probably need to whack most of the .desktop files to suppress that | 01:15 |
| timeless | (or uninstall the apps) | 01:15 |
| Genobob | yeah... most likely I will be uninstalling them | 01:15 |
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| timeless | making the browser launch visibly at startup and dealing w/ the desktop will probably involve you replacing the desktop app | 01:15 |
| lights234 | hi all | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wire up the faceplate with a taser that goes off whenever you try to do an unauthorized operation. | 01:16 |
| Genobob | lol | 01:16 |
| Genobob | if only | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get some of those Wiimote wristbands so people don't drop them. | 01:16 |
| lights234 | once I couldnt see any application in the application menu from the desktop | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kiosk mode is requested a lot | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a jffs2 image or something. | 01:17 |
| lights234 | I got an advice here and copied some file from /usr/share and it solved it | 01:17 |
| lights234 | however I can no longer edit the application menu | 01:17 |
| lights234 | how to fix it? | 01:17 |
| lcuk | heh lights234 could you tell Genobob how you managed to remove all your applications from the menu, hes interested to know | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:18 |
| lcuk | i am constantly surprised by how many different directions people want to pull their devices in :) | 01:19 |
| lights234 | lcuk: dont know how :-( | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, there's not a lot of decently open, fast, versatile hardware like the tablets out there. | 01:19 |
| lcuk | and unfortunately i dont know how to repair it | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the other fast stuff is pretty well locked down. | 01:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, chown user:users the file that you copied to ~/somewhere | 01:20 |
| lcuk | hey shush, this tablet is fast :) its only slightly disabled | 01:20 |
| lights234 | qwerty12_N800: hi you saved me last time :-) | 01:21 |
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| lights234 | I like you | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, did you happen to get ogl built from source or did you give up (i didnt manage it either) | 01:21 |
| lights234 | but I dont remeber which file it was | 01:21 |
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| lights234 | can I use find to find to find it? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | lights234, qwerty has linux superpowers | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i gave up, files missing etc | 01:22 |
| Genobob | yeah, i figured kiosk mode would be requested prior to me, but i couldnt find much online about it.... unless I used a different OS that is specifically designed to be a kiosk, but not for phones | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Genobob, I think the problem is is that most of the people asking are after custom solutions. | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Say, museums distributing them to patrons | 01:23 |
| lights234 | btw there is a woot off now | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they go and roll their own solution and it never sees the light of day outside their deployment. | 01:23 |
| lcuk | Genobob, would something like "while 1; browserui;" work along with wiping as many user apps as possible? | 01:23 |
| lights234 | www.woot.com | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, museum guy is happy using built in paint | 01:23 |
| lcuk | i think | 01:23 |
| lights234 | qwerty12_N800: where are these desktop files? | 01:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, /usr/share/applications/hildon | 01:24 |
| lights234 | ok, so I need to seek a file that has root:root permitions? | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there's been more than one. | 01:24 |
| lcuk | same guy | 01:24 |
| lcuk | was speaking to him a couple of weeks ago | 01:25 |
| Genobob | yeah, maybe... but I need the ability to lock it down so its either the browser or its off.... you know what I mean? | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, not in that folder. lemme scour the irc logs :) | 01:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm talking into 2007. | 01:25 |
| lcuk | ahhhh ancient times themselves thats life before tablet | 01:26 |
| lights234 | I was CityLights | 01:26 |
| lights234 | in them logs... | 01:26 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i keep coming back to the thinking that canola, liqbase and the other fullscreen apps (especially ones they get plugin support) is just another OS/DE stacked on top of a existing OS/DE... | 01:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I guess it's inevitable that searching those logs is getting slower :( | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, like johnx said. "Yep, emacs." | 01:28 |
| lcuk | heh t_s_o agreed, i had problems though with switching apps, liqbase was never meant to be modal | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | it was funny you posted here just now, id just wrote that ^ in the forum | 01:29 |
| t_s_o | :P | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, what does ls -l /home/user/.osso/menus/applications.menu say? | 01:31 |
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| lights234 | min | 01:33 |
| lights234 | user users | 01:33 |
| t_s_o | im not sure i follow you when you say that liqbase was never ment to be modal, lcuk | 01:33 |
| t_s_o | but them im not fully up to speed on the "lingo" of user interfaces... | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, hrm, that isn't your problem then (in captain obvious mode) :/ | 01:34 |
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| t_s_o | anyways, as i think about its, liqbase strikes me as a variant of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy | 01:35 |
| lights234 | maybe I should run some stat -c %a /path/to/somewhere | grep 644 ? | 01:35 |
| t_s_o | only using graphics rather then text | 01:35 |
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| t_s_o | and i keep also being reminded of how the apple lisa handled the creation of new files... | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lulz Lisa | 01:37 |
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| t_s_o | the thing was that you started by creating the file first, then filling it with data, not creating the data first and then putting it somewhere... | 01:38 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, thank you | 01:38 |
| t_s_o | your welcome | 01:38 |
| lcuk | ive never seen archy, but am reading more :) it looks intruiging | 01:38 |
| t_s_o | anyways, that removed the need for a "save file" dialog, as the file was allready created in some location or other... | 01:38 |
| lcuk | you're camera does it | 01:39 |
| lcuk | your as well | 01:39 |
| lcuk | ffs | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | you take pictures without care as to its name, you can retrieve the data later | 01:39 |
| t_s_o | i would not know the inner workings of a digital camera, but it would not surprise me | 01:39 |
| lcuk | and sort and tag it | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i mean in principle, not in practice | 01:40 |
| lcuk | most just increment a filename | 01:40 |
| lights234 | qwerty12_N800: find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop -perm 664 -print gives no answer | 01:40 |
| t_s_o | true that, lcuk | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lights234, I honestly have no idea :/. Maybe a update-desktop-database (but no idea if this will help any)? | 01:42 |
| lights234 | even find /usr/share/ -perm 664 -print gives two other files.. | 01:43 |
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| lights234 | the update fixed it! | 01:46 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, the zooming interface sounds similar to what i want :) the stamp tool is my first view to this, but i want to be able to click on any inserted sketch and zoom in/out (but with better spatial tricks ontop) | 01:46 |
| t_s_o | hmm, it seems the wikipedia article on the apple lisa dont touch on the file creation thing, so a qick google dug up this: http://www.applefritter.com/node/3198 | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | lots of systems do creation without specifying names | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | the more i look at these older OSes and systems, the more I want to get hold of them :) im gonna get myself a newton as soon as I possibly can | 02:00 |
| lcuk | anyway, im vanishing, its been a long day | 02:01 |
| lcuk | gnite t_s_o qwerty gen etc :) | 02:01 |
| t_s_o | night | 02:02 |
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| lights234 | bye bye | 02:07 |
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| dieb_ | hi, what is the default music folder? /home/user/.MyDocs/Music ? | 02:14 |
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| jaem | hello | 02:43 |
| jaem | just wondering... does anybody know why disabling bluetooth in the GUI doesn't stop the BT services to save resources? | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | think it probably will in fremantle | 02:45 |
| jaem | thanks - I couldn't see any good reason for that... | 02:46 |
| jaem | also, any word on SOCKS proxy support? I noticed references to it in the if-up script, but it's not in the GUI. Given that it doesn't support TTLS-PAP (what my uni uses), I'd like to be able to tunnel through my desktop with ssh | 02:47 |
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| sp3000 | gah wtfpileupbbq bug 2639 | 02:52 |
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| * sp3000 giggles at the suggestion that documentation would help cover ux changes in a minor release | 02:57 | |
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| jagernot | quite a bit of crowd today: time to pimp my work in progress sound synth for n810: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar_1.0-1_armel.deb | 03:14 |
| jagernot | comments appreciated :) | 03:14 |
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| zakkm | Anyone know a good way to read cbr's on the nokia? | 05:45 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: what are cbr's ? | 05:50 |
| zakkm | cbr = comic book reader.. its a zip file with images in it | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: there is something for that i guess | 05:51 |
| zakkm | but evince can open it, but its too slow to be anywhere near usable | 05:51 |
| zakkm | there is a program , but its way too slow too | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | did you check the repo ? | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | ok | 05:51 |
| zakkm | yeah i have most | 05:51 |
| zakkm | i was wondering if there was a hidden good program in garage or something | 05:51 |
| zakkm | or a cbr support in some program i dont know about | 05:52 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: dont think so | 05:52 |
| zakkm | or some other way to use it or something | 05:52 |
| zakkm | like should i unzip in maemo, and then use image viewer? or something | 05:52 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: i was planning to do some kind of program that could work in a similar way as a cbr reader | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | but to pack slides | 05:54 |
| disco_stu | so you could practices speeches or something | 05:54 |
| zakkm | plannig to port or create? | 05:54 |
| disco_stu | create i guess | 05:54 |
| zakkm | cbr is strictly comic book though, and the problem is is its compressed zip | 05:54 |
| zakkm | cbz = rar | 05:54 |
| zakkm | so it has to uncompress when open "on-the-fly" | 05:54 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: what is the average file size you are using | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | ? | 05:55 |
| zakkm | 18mb | 05:55 |
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| zakkm | its a normal comic book issue. | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | how many slides ? | 05:55 |
| zakkm | pages... 20? | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | alright | 05:56 |
| zakkm | 26* | 05:56 |
| zakkm | they're about 396kb jpg's | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | sounds reasonable | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | dont know how it could be so slow | 05:56 |
| zakkm | evince takes like 5min to open it.. and my nokia is frozen during that | 05:56 |
| zakkm | and then its just overall slow.. so i cant like read it | 05:57 |
| disco_stu | whoa | 05:57 |
| zakkm | its not worth it at all | 05:57 |
| disco_stu | 5 min | 05:57 |
| zakkm | theres a actual comic book program for it too | 05:57 |
| zakkm | cbrpager.. thats a bit better.. but nothing worthwhile | 05:57 |
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| zetheroo | one thing I noticed with Maemo Mapper is that when you acquire a route it will usually be one which is technically the shortest route in kilometres but not the fastest route. Is there a way to change that? | 06:02 |
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| zetheroo | which is the "swap button" on the N810000? | 06:33 |
| zetheroo | N810* | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: the one with two squares | 06:33 |
| zetheroo | ok .. thanks | 06:34 |
| zetheroo | I am reflashing to the latest OS2008 release ... maybe that will fix my flite/mapper issue ... :) | 06:34 |
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| disco_stu | zetheroo: hope so | 06:35 |
| disco_stu | good luck | 06:36 |
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| zetheroo | this command does not work | 06:49 |
| zetheroo | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 06:49 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: what error you got ? | 06:50 |
| zakkm | where is the bin file, where you installing to? | 06:50 |
| zetheroo | sudo: ./flasher-3.0: command not found | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:51 |
| zakkm | is the file flash-3.0 there? | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | you need to download flasher | 06:51 |
| zakkm | how frequent are diablo releases? | 06:52 |
| zetheroo | yes | 06:52 |
| zetheroo | I am in my Desktop folder | 06:52 |
| zetheroo | and its here | 06:52 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: that is a kind of question only GeneralAntilles can answer | 06:52 |
| zakkm | spelled the same? | 06:52 |
| zetheroo | this happened before | 06:52 |
| zetheroo | yes | 06:52 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntiles: you have been asked for, are you there? :) | 06:52 |
| zakkm | I require your expertise | 06:53 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: you are pointing it out wrong | 06:53 |
| zetheroo | huhhh? | 06:53 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: flahser is not it yor CWD | 06:53 |
| zetheroo | CWD? | 06:53 |
| disco_stu | current working directory | 06:53 |
| zetheroo | I am in Desktop and I do ls | 06:54 |
| zetheroo | and its there | 06:54 |
| zetheroo | flasher-3.0 | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | did you chmod it ? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, every 1-3 months | 06:54 |
| zetheroo | chmod ... no | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | chmod +x | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | to flasher | 06:55 |
| zakkm | Wow, it does work.. you need someone and they're here :) | 06:55 |
| disco_stu | and try again | 06:55 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: they are all bots.. keep the secret | 06:55 |
| zetheroo | so the command is : chmod +x flasher-3.0 | 06:55 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: aha | 06:55 |
| zetheroo | yes? | 06:55 |
| disco_stu | yes | 06:55 |
| zakkm | chmod +x flasher-3.0 would just make it executable wouldnt it? | 06:56 |
| disco_stu | right | 06:56 |
| zetheroo | ok .. its working | 06:56 |
| zakkm | so he needs the other one afterwards | 06:56 |
| zetheroo | why is that info not in the wiki? | 06:56 |
| zetheroo | it really should be there | 06:56 |
| disco_stu | zetheroo: because it so obvios for Linux users.. that they forgot | 06:56 |
| zakkm | depends your linux setup :P | 06:57 |
| disco_stu | s/obvios/obvious/ | 06:57 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: zetheroo: because it so obvious for Linux users.. that they forgot | 06:57 |
| disco_stu | when you execute "ls" and you see that a file is there, if you know that that file is an executable program it should be colored green | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, I'm quite certain it is. . . . | 06:58 |
| disco_stu | so whitout noticing you end up doing it automatically | 06:59 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: well it may be somewhere ... but not where it would help the most | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | damn, my spelling skills are down | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, that's basically one of the basest skills in Linux, though. | 06:59 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: :) .. | 07:00 |
| disco_stu | boring night.. isnt it ? | 07:05 |
| zetheroo | hmm | 07:06 |
| zetheroo | I can't see flite in the repos | 07:06 |
| zetheroo | why is flite not there? I have Maemo Extras enabled | 07:06 |
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| zetheroo | I downloaded flite.install and executed the file but got this message: | 07:28 |
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| zetheroo | Unable to download flite. Application Package not found | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not in Diablo Extras. | 07:29 |
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| zetheroo | hmm .. what was the simple command to enter root in the terminal? | 07:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 07:32 |
| infobot | somebody said root-access was http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 07:32 |
| zetheroo | that link opens a blank page for me | 07:33 |
| johnx | in your browser, hit ctrl+shift+r | 07:34 |
| zetheroo | oh wow | 07:35 |
| zetheroo | what did that do? | 07:35 |
| johnx | magic | 07:35 |
| johnx | pretty neat huh? | 07:36 |
| johnx | it uhm, refreshed the page :) | 07:36 |
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| johnx | stale cache on the proxy | 07:36 |
| zetheroo | ha | 07:36 |
| zetheroo | I had used the refresh button but that did not work | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That wiki really needs to be fixed. | 07:37 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you mean have them just dump squid's cache or is there something else? | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, whatever needs to be done to make it load pages consistently needs to be done. | 07:37 |
| zetheroo | what does this mean? user is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The FBI is coming to get you. | 07:38 |
| johnx | just install rootsh and type root | 07:39 |
| zetheroo | harhar | 07:39 |
| zetheroo | I just install rootsh | 07:39 |
| zetheroo | installed | 07:39 |
| zetheroo | now I am in /home/user/ | 07:40 |
| zetheroo | ok .. I did "cd /" and not I am in the root folder | 07:40 |
| zetheroo | I think | 07:41 |
| zetheroo | would this command work in Maemo: sudo apt-get install | 07:41 |
| zetheroo | ? | 07:41 |
| johnx | you're already root so just do | 07:41 |
| johnx | apt-get install package | 07:41 |
| zetheroo | ok | 07:41 |
| zetheroo | well I am downloading flite 1.3 and want to compile it on the N810 | 07:43 |
| zetheroo | is this possible? | 07:43 |
| johnx | yes, and it's a pain | 07:43 |
| johnx | you won't find someone to walk you through it I think | 07:43 |
| zetheroo | is it a pain because compiling on MAemo is hard ... or just because of flite itself? | 07:44 |
| johnx | the 1st one. I don't even know if flite is hard to compile | 07:44 |
| zetheroo | would you know what tools I need to have installed on Maemo to compile apps with? | 07:45 |
| zetheroo | like gcc or soemthing? | 07:45 |
| johnx | yes, you need gcc, and a lot of packages with headers from the sdk repository, and if you can't find both on your own you're pretty much doomed before you even get started | 07:46 |
| johnx | you'll also need to boot from sd so you have enough space available | 07:46 |
| zetheroo | argh | 07:46 |
| johnx | I'm really not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to save you some time | 07:48 |
| johnx | you installed flite, correct? and it works in the x-term, right? | 07:48 |
| johnx | why would a different version work better? | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would love for somebody to set up a "Compiling on device" wiki page. . . . | 07:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, no. that's a bad idea. that would only encourage people | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, I think GNUite had to hack on flite quite a bit to get it to work. | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's like letting the peasants have access to movable type? ;) | 07:50 |
| zetheroo | ha | 07:50 |
| johnx | nope, it's like giving out simple, step-by-step instructions to playing with high voltage | 07:50 |
| zetheroo | johnx: I reflashed my N810 to the latest release of PS2008 | 07:50 |
| zetheroo | so I am starting from scratch | 07:50 |
| johnx | just grab the flite that you had before, it's probably not the problem if it works from the command line | 07:51 |
| zetheroo | well its not in the repos .. and I forgot how I installed it last time | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, psh | 07:52 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, plus, in almost all cases, the people who would benefit from it already know exactly what to do | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, I would like to try, but haven't yet managed to get entirely from point A to point B. | 07:53 |
| johnx | getting from point A to point B is a test | 07:54 |
| johnx | :D | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | :rolleyes: | 07:54 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: are you a Maemo developer? | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, no. | 07:54 |
| johnx | anyways, if it's that hard then I'm probably not the one to write the sdk in the first place. I cheat at "compiling on the device" | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never compiled anything for Maemo ever. | 07:54 |
| johnx | s/sdk/howto/ | 07:55 |
| infobot | johnx meant: anyways, if it's that hard then I'm probably not the one to write the howto in the first place. I cheat at "compiling on the device" | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partly because the SDK doesn't support my platform. | 07:55 |
| zetheroo | so where would one go to talk to people who make the distro and its repos etc? | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I stumbled on getting GTK to play nice. | 07:55 |
| johnx | zetheroo, some Nokia office building in Finland | 07:56 |
| zetheroo | great | 07:56 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, and the answer is "it might not work at all, it was never designed for this purpose" | 07:56 |
| zetheroo | I thought I would find them on forums or chat.. | 07:56 |
| johnx | really, sometimes there are nokia people here | 07:56 |
| johnx | but they mostly are busy working on software for us | 07:57 |
| johnx | couple marketing guys on the forums from time to time | 07:57 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: flite is in an older repo right? | 07:57 |
| johnx | but really, what is the question. I'll try and give you an honest answer at least | 07:57 |
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| zetheroo | my question? | 07:58 |
| johnx | hmm? you're looking for nokia people. I assumed you had a question for them? | 07:58 |
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| zetheroo | I want flite to be in the latest repos | 07:58 |
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| zetheroo | and I would very much like flite to work with mapper | 07:59 |
| zetheroo | :) | 07:59 |
| johnx | not a Nokia thing :) | 07:59 |
| zetheroo | ok .. so who's thing is it? | 07:59 |
| johnx | individuals like you and me | 08:00 |
| zetheroo | indeed? | 08:00 |
| johnx | truly | 08:00 |
| zetheroo | well we don't have power over the repos do we? | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, *individual* mostly. | 08:00 |
| zetheroo | ha | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNUite hasn't submitted flite to Diablo Extras because he lost the source package, apparently. | 08:01 |
| zetheroo | what do I place in mapper to get it to see my internal GPS again? | 08:01 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: no way .... :-/ | 08:01 |
| johnx | select bluetooth and type nothing | 08:01 |
| zetheroo | ok | 08:02 |
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| zetheroo | but shouldn't flite still function with mapper even if flite is installed from another repo? ... or does that stuff it up? | 08:03 |
| johnx | it should work fine | 08:03 |
| johnx | other people were using it as recently as june 2008 | 08:04 |
| zetheroo | do you knwo any of them? | 08:04 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10960&page=2 | 08:04 |
| zetheroo | I need to find someone who got it working | 08:04 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: which repo would flite be in? | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/f/flite/ | 08:12 |
| zetheroo | I should be able to just install this file "as is" right? | 08:13 |
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| zetheroo | ok it installed perfectly | 08:15 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 08:16 |
| l7 | hmm, has anyone else had success with this method of SD booting? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 | 08:17 |
| l7 | penguinbait's deb seems buggy | 08:17 |
| l7 | " I ran into a case where my boot menu stopped booting to the SD and it would have been nice to have been able to recover my settings intact after a reflash/reclone." | 08:19 |
| RST38h | 7997! Ho ho ho ho | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | l7, just use the wiki page? | 08:21 |
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| l7 | GeneralAntilles: actually it worked now :) | 08:22 |
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| l7 | it's weird that i had to install once, get a fail message, reboot and try to update the install | 08:22 |
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| l7 | i guess i'll give the manual method a try later, but the partitioning webpage is really confusing | 08:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's confusing? | 08:23 |
| l7 | it would be great if there was a good usage example there | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The first code block? | 08:24 |
| l7 | "Note: on the N800 and N810 the filesystem mounted under /media/mmc1 is the external media card and the internal card is mounted under /media/mmc2. The device that is mounted under /media/mmc1 is /dev/mmcblk1 and not mmcblk0 that is mounted under /media/mmc2. If you plan to format the external media card replace mmcblk0p with mmcblk1p." | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | sfdisk sucks, I know. | 08:24 |
| l7 | this block rather makes my head spin | 08:24 |
| l7 | a usage example like "this is what you do with a 2GB or 4GB card" would clarify things i think | 08:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reload | 08:25 |
| l7 | what changed? | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | * The external card is mmcblk1 | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | * The internal card is mmcblk0 | 08:26 |
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| l7 | yeah that does help | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish somebody would put together a wizard to do all this for people. . . . | 08:27 |
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| l7 | what is the optimal size for the swap and system partitions btw? | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't bother with a swap partition, personally. | 08:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why penguinbait insists on it. | 08:29 |
| l7 | hrm | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I usually do the second partition as a 1-3GB system partition as EXT3 | 08:29 |
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| l7 | how about the small FAT partition as partition 1? | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the first partition as the rest of the card as FAT | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least 130MB is good. | 08:29 |
| l7 | what is the FAT partition for? | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swap | 08:30 |
| l7 | oh | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and storage | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I find it more convenient to just keep my storage on FAT | 08:30 |
| * johnx images needing about 13GB of swap | 08:30 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Easy to get to when need to put the card in other machines | 08:30 |
| l7 | yeah, a seperate swap partition seems strange if you can just use the storage partition | 08:31 |
| johnx | technically a swap partition is marginally faster or something | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if I could talk somebody into putting together a wizard if I did some mockups. | 08:31 |
| RST38h | no. :) | 08:32 |
| l7 | i'm not sure you really need a wizard if the steps are clearly defined | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people immediately freeze up when they encounter a console. | 08:32 |
| RST38h | That is when you euthanize them. | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | There really isn't much advantage to the console method, either, other than the simple fact that nobody has coded a GUI yet. | 08:33 |
| l7 | i would have found a list of commands in with clear example usage fine to deal with | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | l7, feel free to improve it when you figure it out. ;) | 08:35 |
| l7 | yeah, maybe later | 08:36 |
| l7 | i'll play around with penguinbait's example for a bit | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those debs are pure evil | 08:36 |
| l7 | why? no source? | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, setting things like that up with .deb postinsts is just nasty business. | 08:37 |
| johnx | coffee++ | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | l7, it's all bundled into a single .deb | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, say, if you lose your bootmenu, you're kinda screwed for reinstalling it. | 08:37 |
| l7 | hrm | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The way it really _should_ be done, is with a .deb that installs the bootmenu along with a control panel to set it up | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | a partitioning application, and a wizard. | 08:39 |
| l7 | so should the partitioning be done from a the bootmenu? | 08:40 |
| l7 | s/a the/the/ | 08:40 |
| infobot | l7 meant: so should the partitioning be done from the bootmenu? | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, there should be a partitioning application | 08:40 |
| l7 | an interactive shell script wouldn't be a bad solution | 08:44 |
| l7 | unless the even that will scare away people | 08:44 |
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| l7 | penguinbait messed around with the startup script to make the tablet say how Linus pronounces Linux | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | General: In ~15 years, I have never seen a partitioning application that a non-geek can use | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, have you tried Apple's? | 09:08 |
| RST38h | No, I stay away from Apple | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty low-impact | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=172906,00.jpg | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff like BootCamp is handled by a wizard. | 09:09 |
| l7 | the gnome partitioner isn't bad | 09:09 |
| RST38h | General: Looks similar to WinNT's | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think a couple of tickboxes/a short questionnaire would be a good way to do it. | 09:09 |
| RST38h | General: Never gets used by end users because it has got so many weirdly labeled controls | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it looks at the size of the card, and the user answers a few things about what they're planning to use it for. | 09:10 |
| johnx | the problem is that the concepts at work in partitioning aren't that easily conveyed | 09:15 |
| BugBlue | apple's partioner is scary for 'users' | 09:15 |
| BugBlue | I tried it by putting a user in front of it | 09:15 |
| BugBlue | she ended up with an installed but unuseable system | 09:15 |
| johnx | actually ubuntu installer's partitioner is a lot more usable than apples (I've used both extensively) | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the idea of a questionnaire | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Will you be using this card with Windows or Mac OS X?" | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | "How many operating systems do you want to install on this card?" | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then run down exactly what it all means at the end. | 09:17 |
| RST38h | General: Questionnaire idea breaks once you want the user to tell what partition sizes he wants | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't | 09:18 |
| RST38h | Although if you are really eager, you can create a special UI for that | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | You decide for him based on the answers. | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they want to manually configure it, offer a manual mode. | 09:18 |
| johnx | I kinda like this approach :) | 09:18 |
| RST38h | Can't - this isn't a question that can be decided from a questionnaire | 09:18 |
| johnx | why not? | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can't arrive at results that are perfect for every case | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | but you can hit most of the curve pretty well. | 09:18 |
| johnx | if the user doesn't even know how much space they need, then you decide for them and they're never the wiser | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | People using Windows or OS X aren't going to want a giant ext* partition | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you allocate 1GB or 25% (whichever's larger) to the OS and leave the rest as FAT. | 09:20 |
| RST38h | General: The remaining 5-15% will scream mad though | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then they can use manual mode. | 09:20 |
| johnx | who cares about them? make them use the manual method | 09:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: The problem is, they will scream mad once they hit a problem with that predecided allocation | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're doing pretty good if you're covering about 90% of all cases. | 09:21 |
| johnx | the point is that 50%+ of people are confused and scared now, so 10-15% mad is fair game | 09:21 |
| zetheroo | well ... reflashed my N810 and reinstalled flite and mapper ... but its still not working... :( sigh | 09:21 |
| johnx | include in big red text "If you want to manually choose sizes this is not for you" | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | "If you would prefer to set up your partitions manually, click here." | 09:22 |
| zetheroo | maybe the version of mapper I am using is not compatible with flite? | 09:23 |
| Hirvinen | 11111111111111111111111111 | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | 222222222222222222222 | 09:24 |
| johnx | you seem to have a stuck key | 09:25 |
| johnx | guess it's contagious | 09:25 |
| zetheroo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:25 |
| zetheroo | its spreading | 09:25 |
| zetheroo | how can I get in touch with the person who maintains flite? | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's GNUite | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | His email should be available from the maemo-mapper Garage page. | 09:27 |
| zetheroo | ok cool | 09:27 |
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| zetheroo | I am here | 09:30 |
| zetheroo | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/ | 09:30 |
| zetheroo | is that where his info should be? | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 09:30 |
| zetheroo | there is a whole list of developers ... | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | John Costigan | 09:31 |
| zetheroo | ah ... the Admin | 09:31 |
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| zetheroo | ok ... well I have written to dear John ... this should be interesting ... | 09:38 |
| zetheroo | :) | 09:38 |
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| johnx | poor canola guys :/ it sounds like they've had a really rough time of it | 09:44 |
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| timeless | ? | 09:44 |
| johnx | seems like they switched teams on their way to beta10, ended up firing that team, bringing back the old guys, and having to toss the work on beta10 | 09:45 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242479&postcount=8 | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That doesn't sound fun at all. | 09:46 |
| johnx | not really, no | 09:47 |
| johnx | I really look forward to seeing it open sourced. I really hope people surprise them and actually contribute patches, etc | 09:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and, sadly, I think the pessimism about the likelihood of community devs jump in once the source is out there is justified. | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | +1 | 09:48 |
| * johnx sighs | 09:48 | |
| * GeneralAntilles may make that an issue to push. | 09:48 | |
| * johnx gets back to his own projects | 09:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, it's Python learnin' time for you, buddy. :P | 09:48 |
| johnx | ahaha, maybe I'll smack rm_you around and get him working on it | 09:49 |
| johnx | he really does like watching video on his tablet I know | 09:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles high-fives johnx. | 09:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan! :D | 09:49 |
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| qwerty12_ | ~strangle ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies | 09:53 |
| * infobot strangles ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies with a keyboard cord. | 09:53 | |
| johnx | classy | 09:53 |
| johnx | but yes, that's why none of us uses it | 09:53 |
| * qwerty12_ is a cheap bastard, I have no choice ;p | 09:54 | |
| qwerty12_ | *:P | 09:54 |
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| johnx | <- used to be | 09:54 |
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| johnx | enough fighting with crappy reverse engineered drivers and windows emulation cured that | 09:54 |
| johnx | almost drove me to a Mac in the process, until I realized if I just spent a little bit more time researching, finding linux compatible hardware really isn't that hard | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't help that I'm using a ndiswrapper module compiled for 2.6.27 on a 2.6.24 kernel :/ | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, At the time, Linux compatibility wasn't an issue for me as I was using windows only then :/ | 09:56 |
| johnx | and next time you'll know better :) | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I can't bring myself to learn any language :P | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:56 |
| johnx | welcome to learning the hard way | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just a matter of applying the correct incentive. *eg* | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, my computer knows too when I'm always doing a REISUB :P | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | heh :p | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, where are those services descriptions. | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tick tock. . . . :P | 09:59 |
| johnx | I just use s u b | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Well, as I was typing, all my keyboard output was getting sent to /dev/null and I realised it too late... | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | ^was | 10:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | is there a cx3110x-umac-module .deb for deblet somewhere? | 10:12 |
| johnx | http://trac.tspre.org/deblet/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module/ | 10:13 |
| johnx | the umac.ko can come from your OS2008 install | 10:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 10:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | thanks | 10:16 |
| johnx | sure :) | 10:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | apt wants umac deb... cannot install tablet-wireless | 10:20 |
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| johnx | ah, I just unpacked the deb and copied stuff around | 10:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | deblet-installer builds it on tablet? | 10:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | (the umac-module) | 10:21 |
| johnx | it might, I honestly don't know :) | 10:21 |
| johnx | probably | 10:22 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello all ! | 10:31 |
| johnx | hi | 10:31 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:06 |
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| johnx | morning Jaffa :D | 11:07 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 11:08 |
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| johnx | well ha! | 11:40 |
| johnx | infobot, lart sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain | 11:40 |
| * infobot executes killall -KILL sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain | 11:40 | |
| johnx | how very appropriate | 11:41 |
| johnx | ~botsnack | 11:41 |
| infobot | thanks, johnx | 11:41 |
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| johnx | ok, so my current assumption is that the current trunk versions of hildon-input-method, sapwood and gtk+ don't play all that well together | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 11:54 |
| johnx | mornin' Stskeeps | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/merbuilder , http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ | 11:55 |
| johnx | I've got hildon-input-method working as long as you don't need to see the characters or the buttons | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:56 |
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| johnx | wow...that kind of seems like an abuse of jaiku, but I can follow it with rss which is awesome | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | the app that runs it can be used with multiple build boxes too, if they can be sshed to | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | and i'll make the log urls and such be on http | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: seems like a sane way? control in #merbuilder, status reports on the presence | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | it determines access based on nickname | 12:02 |
| johnx | certainly an interesting way | 12:02 |
| johnx | yeah, seems sane, and definitely appropriately experimental | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | and commands are in form of <regexp for archs> <bzr branch> | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | so you can do jaunty* or hasty* etc | 12:04 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: i got W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt mount -t proc proc /proc | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | in what, sorry? | 12:04 |
| hahlobit | when run command | 12:05 |
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| hahlobit | debootstrap --verbose --arch armel jaunty /opt http://ports.ubuntu.com/ | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | does /opt exist and have a ext3 filesystem mounted on it? | 12:06 |
| hahlobit | yes | 12:06 |
| hahlobit | or /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /opt type ext2 (rw) | 12:07 |
| hahlobit | but i did mkfs.ext3 | 12:07 |
| hahlobit | is it cause wrong fs? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: i'm not entirely sure, try probe Meiz_n810, he did jaunty on the tablets | 12:08 |
| hahlobit | ok | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: and http://trac.tspre.org/mer/ as well | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | (been busy..) | 12:11 |
| johnx | wow! | 12:11 |
| johnx | did you build straight from hardy to jaunty? | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | well i havent actually started a full blown compile yet | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | as i'm looking for the appropiate cflags | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | i don't assume mojo/jaunty's set them to target armv5 / armv5-vfp / armv6-vfp on thier own | 12:12 |
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| johnx | it's set inside their version of gcc IIRC | 12:13 |
| johnx | as in, the optimizations flags are the defaults | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | so when i compile in a mojo armv6-vfp it makes it compile for armv6-vfp? | 12:15 |
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| johnx | I think that's what they were saying | 12:15 |
| johnx | let me find the page | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, when we give the builder a branch it will compile for all 4 arm bases, and for i386 as well | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | which means we can at any point build images for these archs | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | and if we say, start focusing on jaunty instead of mojo, this is possible too | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | or if someone wants to build an image for an armv5, they can too :P | 12:23 |
| johnx | woo :) | 12:23 |
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| * Stskeeps wants to see maemo on his old via laptop ;) | 12:28 | |
| johnx | ubuntu's wiki on their arm port is interesting reading :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | or on the touchscreen at work | 12:28 |
| johnx | mmm...makes me want to find money for one of those old crusoe based mini-notebooks | 12:28 |
| johnx | it looks like there's a way to set default CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally for builds | 12:29 |
| johnx | http://209.85.175.132/search?q=cache:KM0rKpLrIEEJ:www.handhelds.org/hypermail/mojo/current/0085.html+mojo+ubuntu+gcc+optimizations+default&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, armv5el: ++#define SUBTARGET_CPU_DEFAULT TARGET_CPU_arm10tdmi | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | alright then | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | no need for pretty cflags | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | let's hope ubuntu arm does similar :P | 12:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | why so many different dists in trac.tspre.org/mer? | 12:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, looks like they're doing things differently :( | 12:39 |
| johnx | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MobileAndEmbedded/ARM-EL-port | 12:40 |
| johnx | they seem to be setting CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: covering our bases | 12:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i have come to realize the only way to get authorative info is to ask in #ubuntu-arm | 12:40 |
| johnx | what network is that? freenode or ...? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:41 |
| johnx | heh...we're developing a #maemo delegation in that channel :) | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | my biggest point against the ubuntu arm thing wasn't something nokia directly knew of or participate in, is that the place isn't swarming with nokia people :P | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | beagle has quite a bit of them | 12:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, Stskeeps. :P | 12:45 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: you don't like nokia people? | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody likes Nokia people | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're like lepers. | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: no no, i didn't say that | 12:46 |
| hahlobit | hehe | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | or cockroaches. | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/20/asus-eee-top-launched-loved-by-children-and-product-waifs/ | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (love the title) | 12:47 |
| johnx | engadget is exactly the right amount of snarky 90% of the time | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | They really know their trade. | 12:48 |
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| hahlobit | second try with debootstrap seems to go better | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) told you | 13:14 |
| * lcuk wants a sugar daddy to buy him one :$ | 13:14 | |
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| Jaffa | Could be nice with Ubuntu Netbook edition for the kiddies | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | Nice replacement for Alex's old ThinkPad at some point | 13:18 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders how speedy maemo is on a 2ghz | 13:23 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:23 |
| * johnx doesn't even want to think about why this works: | 13:25 | |
| lcuk | i just want to push a sketch down from the big screen onto my tablet to take away with me | 13:27 |
| johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/gqview-keyboard.png | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you see the forum comment about audio in the graffiti - i wanted wind noises, someone said book page flipping sounds | 13:28 |
| johnx | +1 for book flipping :) | 13:28 |
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| inz | +1 for silence | 13:28 |
| lcuk | yeah, sounds quite nice actually, dunno how well it would work, i just wanted a nice bit of ambient | 13:28 |
| lcuk | lol inz, ill make sure volume is set to max for you | 13:29 |
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| johnx | ~kill h-i-m | 13:29 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized anti-proton gun at h-i-m | 13:29 | |
| inz | lcuk, don't bother, not really using it anyway | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The problem with sounds is that the variety usually sucks | 13:31 |
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| sampo | how can i encode my icon to base64 with uuencode ? | 13:38 |
| sampo | lets say if i have icon.png | 13:38 |
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| Jaffa | sampo: if you browse the mud-builder svn, lib/MUD/Build.pm does it based on arbitrarily provided icons for the package. | 13:41 |
| RST38h | sampo: uuencode -m | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/lib/MUD/Build.pm?revision=241&root=mud-builder&view=markup | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, do you know about the errors after commenting? | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | No, but I will check it out. | 13:50 |
| johnx | alright, so h-i-m crashes when you press return or backspace but other than that basic text entry is possible | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/comment-error.jpg | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, well I can fix that easily. | 13:52 |
| sampo | how about those few '=' marks at the end of encoded output, should i include those if i paste that output to XB-Maemo-Icon-26 field on debian/control file? | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Should be better now. | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 13:53 |
| * X-Fade shoots PEAR. | 13:53 | |
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| johnx | so, mer-people (mer-men and mer-maids?) what's the next thing to get packaged as part of the proof of concept? | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | sampo: yes, include the ==: they're padding to make it valid Base64 | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest of the Hildon stuff? | 13:55 |
| sampo | ok thanx :) | 13:56 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well yes, that is the eventual goal. I was looking more for a single package that interests people, or pulls in a lot of interesting deps, or is shiny | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I Am Free is shiny. :P | 13:56 |
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| johnx | What is your personal favorite, all-open-source, can't-live-without app? | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did Stskeeps already do FBReader? | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: /usr/bin/kill ? | 14:01 |
| johnx|zaurus | RST38h: there's a hildonized kill? | 14:01 |
| RST38h | sure there is, part of the CPU Load | 14:02 |
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| johnx|zaurus | aaah, well the cpu-load applet might be interesting | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, um, x11vnc update? | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, tz uploaded it. | 14:07 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, let me check if fbreader is there. I remember him working on it but he might have run into problems | 14:07 |
| sampo | where should this XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: info show when i install an updated package? | 14:07 |
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| sampo | in my opinion someone should add screenshots to this page http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_packaging_features_you-re_missing_out_on/XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: to get better understanding what kind of changes are to be made | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, it works the same as the Description: field. | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | sampo: Pester GeneralAntilles ;) | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, I was considering it, but gave up when Canola and Carman didn't have a perfect little contrast to illustrate the pretty names. . . . | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think I can get that screenshot now. | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, I'll look at it later today. | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, do I know how to add images? | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you have an image icon in the editor? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Umm | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | No? | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta go get groceries | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | will be back later. | 14:15 |
| RST38h | * gb_ia_os_default_TLB_remove_all -- | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * Removes all entries from TLB | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * Input: | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * ------ | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * o unit_id - CODE or DATA TLB | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * o remove_locked - remove locked entries ? | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * Output: | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * ------- | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * none | 14:16 |
| RST38h | * | 14:16 |
| RST38h | *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 14:16 |
| RST38h | */ | 14:17 |
| RST38h | FUNC void gb_ia_os_default_TLB_remove_all(TLB_unit_id_t unit_id, | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Bool_t purge_global_pages) | 14:17 |
| RST38h | { | 14:17 |
| RST38h | TLB_sub_unit_t *TLB; | 14:17 |
| RST38h | TLB_entry_t *TLB_entry; | 14:17 |
| RST38h | int i; | 14:17 |
| RST38h | GB_IA_DPRINTF(TLB_UNIT_DBG, ("TLB remove \n")); | 14:17 |
| RST38h | TLB = &GB_CURRENT_CPU_DATA_ACCESS(TLB_controls).unit[unit_id]; | 14:17 |
| aquatix | flood! | 14:17 |
| RST38h | TLB_entry = TLB->data_ptr; | 14:17 |
| RST38h | for(i=0;i<TLB->config.size;++i) | 14:17 |
| RST38h | if(TLB_entry[i].active&&(purge_global_pages||!TLB_entry[i].global)) | 14:17 |
| RST38h | remove_one_tlb_entry(unit_id,i); | 14:17 |
| johnx | run for the hills! | 14:17 |
| RST38h | } | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Oh holy shit | 14:17 |
| * RST38h is sorry, really sorry | 14:17 | |
| * aquatix slaps RST38h | 14:17 | |
| * RST38h shaves his head in shame | 14:17 | |
| aquatix | ooh, shiny ;) | 14:18 |
| johnx | just glad I'm not the only one who does that :) | 14:18 |
| aquatix | irssi asks whether you really want to paste such a text | 14:18 |
| aquatix | johnx: ghehe | 14:18 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: nah, it's ok, shit happens :) | 14:18 |
| sampo | hmm but i cant see that field anywhere, let say if i have version 1.0 installed and i install over version 1.1 ... i cant see update changelog anywhere... where is it supposed to show? in what dialog... i hope you get those screenshots :) | 14:19 |
| aquatix | behind the Details button in the appmanager? | 14:19 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: got deblet-installer related error trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/deblet.png', which is also in package deblet-installer | 14:20 |
| sampo | aquatix: there is only 3 tabs, Summary, Description and Uninstalling | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: trying to install Easy Debian? | 14:21 |
| sampo | but i gotta go now... lets sort it out later:) | 14:21 |
| sampo | bye -> | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | if so, complain to qole :P | 14:21 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: yes | 14:21 |
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| hahlobit | easy-deb-chroot | 14:22 |
| mib_nnm79f | hey | 14:22 |
| mib_nnm79f | does anyone know how i can install packages to mmc2? because i ran out of space in a week like that | 14:23 |
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| johnx | you can boot from sd if you want | 14:24 |
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| guysoft4222 | jonx, is that a good idea? | 14:24 |
| johnx | if you have no space: yes | 14:24 |
| guysoft4222 | jonx, do you do that? | 14:25 |
| johnx | no, I have plenty of space left | 14:26 |
| guysoft4222 | johnx, you do well with 256MB for the complete system? | 14:27 |
| johnx | yes | 14:27 |
| hahlobit | i do boot sdcard | 14:27 |
| johnx | I have about 50MB free | 14:27 |
| guysoft4222 | hahlobit, and how do you install the maemo system on the sd card? | 14:29 |
| johnx | ~boot-from-sd | 14:30 |
| infobot | it has been said that boot-from-sd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 14:30 |
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| hahlobit | guysoft4222: yes copy or clone i should say | 14:35 |
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| guysoft4222 | hahlobit, is there a manual for this? | 14:42 |
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| hahlobit | guysoft4222: follow that http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 14:47 |
| guysoft4222 | thanks :-) | 14:48 |
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| guysoft4222 | btw - is unitonfs a good idea?: http://www.hczim.de/software/mmc-unionfs.html | 14:48 |
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| johnx | guysoft422, no | 14:49 |
| guysoft4222 | johnx thanks :-) | 14:51 |
| guysoft4222 | one more question - how can i get java installed on the microb browser? | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | you can't | 14:52 |
| RST38h | ah, he couldn't | 14:52 |
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| johnx | java probably crashed his browser :) | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Mention of Java crashed his computer =) | 14:54 |
| johnx | his computer: "oh god! not more java programs! *dies*" | 14:55 |
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| * RST38h looks into the window: there is b&w snowstorm raging | 14:55 | |
| lcuk | most sensible reason is he clicked his own link in mibbit ;) | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Eats last memory and swap file, then dies | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | guysoft: Returning to your question, you cannot. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | "Authors of code accepted in a software component are entitled to get copyright assignment when the solution provided conforms a creative work." | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | huh? :P | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_contribution_guidelines) | 14:56 |
| guysoft4222 | lcuk, i don't rmember i did.. but i guess so. thats why i need java, the network is protected here with a stupid system that needs java\ | 14:56 |
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| guysoft4222 | RWT38h, how come? isn't there a way to get it to work? its open source after all.. | 14:57 |
| lcuk | sensible network engineers dont want haxx0r kiddies mucking about in worktime :P | 14:57 |
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| johnx | guysoft422, yes, it is open source. so get working on it :) | 14:57 |
| hahlobit | johnx: you aren't java fun? | 14:58 |
| hahlobit | fan | 14:58 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, copyright assignment is one thing, but just wait until i patent a "method of encoding textual data insidea numeric binary representation" | 14:59 |
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| johnx | I don't particularly dislike it. I even wrote a game in it once, but I'm not going to spend my time making it work on maemo | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | johnx, you can drive cars, but you are not mr ford | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, fixing the contribution guidelines is on the agenda. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | sampo, you have to actually be upgrading. :) | 15:01 |
| johnx | lcuk, I can drive cars, I can build cars given enough instructions, but I won't fix yours :D | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | guysoft: It is open source but nobody gives a dman about it | 15:01 |
| RST38h | s/dman/damn/ | 15:02 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: guysoft: It is open source but nobody gives a damn about it | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I will die if I ever have to move to a cold climate. | 15:02 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ahaha. you ever get snow in your area? | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida? | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, once ever 20 years. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | General: heating is cheaper tan refrigeration =) | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The year I was born, but not any farther south than Jacksonville recently. | 15:04 |
| RST38h | They get hurricanes instead ;) | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, our powergrid can't handle freezing temperatures. | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There were blackouts and brownouts over half the state when it snowed. | 15:04 |
| RST38h | General: it can't handle boiling temperatures too, judging from what happens every summer in MD | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not talking about MD | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't have any issues with power over the summers in Florida. | 15:05 |
| * johnx has no central heat, and *does* get snow | 15:05 | |
| Raytray | GeneralAntilles, Go visit Count in Alaska. :P | 15:05 |
| RST38h | So what actually happens in FL? Is it just ice on the wiring? Or too many heaters? | 15:05 |
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| derf | johnx: Yay Japan. | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Icing screwing up the infrastructure | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should see how long it takes for them to get things going after a hurricane. | 15:06 |
| johnx | yeah, apparently my aircon will blow hot air, but it's 3m up the wall, making it a ceiling heater | 15:06 |
| derf | "Go sit under the kotatsu, you pansy." | 15:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: Lemme guess...Aluminium window frames? With holes? And a huge hole under the front door? =) | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell, wimpy little tropical storms have been known to take the power out in some areas for weeks. | 15:06 |
| RST38h | General: Icing only appears when it is not cold ENOUGH ;) | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Can you see if you now have that image icon? | 15:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, hah...yeah, not really loving my mail slot right now, or the fan in the bathroom connected right to the outdoors | 15:07 |
| RST38h | At -20oC all the water ioccurs in nice powdery state | 15:07 |
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| johnx | derf, I don't have a kotatsu. I'll break out the portable space heater in a bit though | 15:08 |
| johnx | maybe tonight even | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, where should I be looking? I don't see it in the midgard floating bar and I don't see it on the page. | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: In the wysiwyg editor.. | 15:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: Somebody living in Japan reported how they tried to close off all the holes once | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I don't know if I have one of those. | 15:09 |
| johnx | RST38h, and suffocated on their own BO? | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got one that seems to insist on HTML | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Edit article? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: the one under the door, the window frames, the mail slots | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/edit/5852749cb4dd11dd8c204922509a3a523a52/ | 15:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: Close. The walls started getting wet. | 15:09 |
| johnx | ahaha | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finally, an sv_SE translation | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now just no_NO and pt_PT | 15:10 |
| guysoft4222 | johnx, oh well, i guess we would have to wait.. i have no time for that now :-S | 15:10 |
| johnx | well if you don't have time, who will have time? | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Laid off SUN employees maybe? =) | 15:11 |
| RST38h | BTW, with DOW <8000 we are gonna have lots of those now | 15:11 |
| johnx | well looks like apple and linux will be the last real commercially supported unices :) | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Well, I don't think Solaris is that close to the grave yet | 15:12 |
| johnx | somehow I don't see a huge comeback in its future | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | zfs is lovely | 15:13 |
| guysoft4222 | johnx, someone that does not need java to access the VPN in the university, because the already have a degree i guess.. | 15:14 |
| johnx | ok, then just keep waiting | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | ~/last jaffa | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | x | 15:15 |
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| RST38h | guysoft: What does Java have to do with VPN? | 15:22 |
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| * guysoft4222 seems to be having a problem | 15:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, 1,500 | 15:33 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: your karma's gone wild. | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | (but not reached 1500 yet) | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: He really is a Karma wh*** lately ;) | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I blame it on things I contribute intensely to suddenly being counted. :P | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the master plan called for at least a 1:1 ratio of Thanks! to karma points originally. ;) | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | I actually reflects your contributions quite well now. | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | *think | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | *it | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | Mental package loss, sorry ;) | 16:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade is the child of my contributions? | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creepy. | 16:01 |
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| * Stskeeps starts up the builder and hears it roar. | 16:33 | |
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| * johnx compiles roxterm to go with his working h-i-m | 16:33 | |
| Stskeeps | it works now? | 16:34 |
| johnx | well, it crashes when I hit backspace or return | 16:34 |
| johnx | no idea why | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 16:35 |
| johnx | no idea what fixed it either except that I recompiled with some debugging printfs, it worked, took them out, recompiled and it still works | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org:8000/jaunty-i386_1227191591.14.log | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | gah | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | wtf is wrong with this connection | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | either that or trac.tspre.org is fucked | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | everything peers so | 16:36 |
| johnx | hmm? what's wrong? | 16:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles takes some screenshots. | 16:38 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: usb0 connection very unstable on beagleboard or something | 16:38 |
| johnx | ah, sad | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | or my NAT setup | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | not entirely sure | 16:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders a bridge instead | 16:40 | |
| johnx | no! don't jump | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | What kernel are you using? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | 2.6.26-omap1-oer62 | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (less because I have anything useful to contribute than because I'm interested. :P) | 16:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody think of a package using upgrade descriptions? . . . | 16:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, delivery error again. . . . | 16:47 |
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| GAN800 | Modest's wandering divider bar has to be the greatest thing ever. | 16:57 |
| GAN800 | I'm quite certain it's sentient. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/presence/49340299 :) | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I have actually been thinking that it saves the position mirrored. | 16:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah, more fun with circular deps? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | So when it is at 40%|60% it restores as 60%|40%. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: more like i dont think maemo glib is supposed to be built on i386 | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | but i'll see what jaunty says | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | / armel | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: SDK? | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Surely that is i386.. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, ok, libtool 2.* it seems like | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | as it fails on armel too | 17:00 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade 3/97 seems to be remembered properly | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl bus | 17:00 |
| GAN800 | It's probably trying to fit the folder texy. | 17:00 |
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| GAN800 | s/texy/text/ | 17:00 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: It's probably trying to fit the folder text. | 17:00 |
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| mimshita | hi! | 17:05 |
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| rjelari | hi | 17:06 |
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| mimshita | I'm trying to install the maemo-runtime-sdk for armel the ap-get gave an error and now i'm pretty much stuck, cannot remove the package and reinstall or install over it... | 17:07 |
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| X-Fade | mimshita: What does it say when you try to remove the package? | 17:10 |
| mimshita | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 17:10 |
| mimshita | couldn't open log `/var/log/dpkg.log': Permission denied | 17:11 |
| mimshita | dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Permission denied | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | mimshita: Inside scratchbox? | 17:12 |
| mimshita | yes | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | try putting fakeroot in front of it.. | 17:12 |
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| mimshita | no sorry....i was on another window...i'm an ass... | 17:13 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Attention: mimshita is from .pt domain! | 17:13 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: You know what to ask ;) | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I already had https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations handy ;) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | hehe | 17:13 |
| mimshita | X-Fade: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory | 17:14 |
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| X-Fade | mimshita: That last thing doesn't matter. | 17:14 |
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| Meizirkki | do you know a way to get internet from ubuntubox to n810? | 17:15 |
| mimshita | X-Fade: sorry? | 17:15 |
| Meizirkki | i have only cable internet here | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | mimshita: dpkg-preconfigure | 17:16 |
| disco_stu | Meizirkki, ubuntubox is wifi capable? | 17:16 |
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| Meizirkki | disco_stu: yes | 17:16 |
| disco_stu | you can share cable through wifi then | 17:17 |
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| Meizirkki | but i don't know how (using hardy) | 17:17 |
| disco_stu | i'll show you | 17:17 |
| mimshita | Setting up gconf2 (2.16.0-1osso9) ... | 17:17 |
| mimshita | dpkg: error processing gconf2 (--configure): | 17:17 |
| mimshita | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 17:17 |
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| disco_stu | Meizirkki, | 17:18 |
| Meizirkki | mimshita: may be corrupted archive, delete it and download agn | 17:18 |
| qwerty12 | mimshita, is this in scratchbox? | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | it's definitely a bug in the package | 17:19 |
| mimshita | yes in scratchox.. the thing is i can't delete... this is remove result... | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | you may need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst to recover | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | hmm... remove runs post-inst? well, maybe | 17:19 |
| disco_stu | Meizirkki, http://www.fmhq.com.ar/2008/08/compartir-conexion-internet.html | 17:20 |
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| disco_stu | thats my blog, it is in spanish but you'll understand i guess | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, If you really want an example of an h-a-m update description, I could update subcatstest... | 17:20 |
| mimshita | edit, dunno what ot write... | 17:21 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, nah, not important. I can mock it up in 5 minutes. | 17:21 |
| disco_stu | Meizirkki, you need only the 5 cli lines | 17:21 |
| disco_stu | change what is in blu to match your set-up | 17:22 |
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| mimshita | mgedmin: edit... dunno what ot write... | 17:26 |
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| puffandstuff | hello | 17:26 |
| aquatix | hi puffandstuff | 17:27 |
| Meizirkki | disco_stu: thanks a lot | 17:27 |
| puffandstuff | is there any paper describing maemo graphic requirements (gpu, performaces etc ..) | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | mimshita: pastebin the current one | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | insert 'set -x' after the first line, try 'dpkg --configure -a' again | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | you'll see which command fails | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | could be it's just missing an 'exit 0' at the very end | 17:29 |
| disco_stu | Meizirkki, you'll need to set an ip to your tablet manually. within the range you have configured | 17:29 |
| Meizirkki | okay | 17:29 |
| puffandstuff | well wich x extensions the project use (xgl, glx aiglx etc...) sorry if my question looks huge | 17:30 |
| disco_stu | if you cant let me know and we can go step by step | 17:30 |
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| mimshita | mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d5a5b8a9e | 17:34 |
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| mgedmin | mimshita: ok, the error is clear enough | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | but could you also paste the source of the postinst script? | 17:36 |
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| mimshita | sure | 17:36 |
| mimshita | mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d7c967817 | 17:37 |
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| mgedmin | well, if you add '|| true' at the end of 'chown messagebus:messagebus /var/lib/gconf', dpkg won't abort the installation/deinstallation | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | but gconf won't work | 17:38 |
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| mgedmin | but your scratchbox should have a messagebus user defined in /etc/passwd | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | mine has | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | which scratchbox is this? | 17:39 |
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| mimshita | maemo 4.0 | 17:39 |
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| mimshita | it uses apophis | 17:41 |
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| mimshita | mgedmin: I was searching, it's version 1.0.8 | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | neat sideeffect of survey about porting problems.. nokia people actually stating what has been fixed | 17:46 |
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| qwerty12 | The same shit about it's all been fixed in fremantle, fuck you diablo users makes me yawn though | 17:47 |
| mimshita | mgedmin:messagebus is not defined in etc/passwd | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 17:49 |
| Rjelari | could some one help me out compiling hildon-desktop-2.0 ? | 17:49 |
| Rjelari | i am getting compilation error. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | where are you trying to compile it? :P | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | mimshita: I believe /etc/passwd comes from the rootstrap | 17:50 |
| Rjelari | in scratch box? | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | 4.0 is diablo, right? | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | I have diablo (the armel version), and my /etc/passwd has messagebus... | 17:51 |
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| johnx | 4.1 is diablo | 17:51 |
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| mimshita | mgedmin:well following what is said in the instalation howto is chinook | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | ah | 17:52 |
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| Rjelari | Stskeeps, i get the following error | 17:54 |
| Rjelari | usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:347: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89 | 17:54 |
| Rjelari | /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89 | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Warning != error | 17:56 |
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| Rjelari | qwerty12, ;).. but the compilation stops /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89 | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | make[2]: *** [libtasknavigatorpolicy_la-tasknavigator-policy.lo] Error 1 | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18/policies' | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18' | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | make: *** [all] Error 2 | 17:59 |
| Rjelari | just trying to compile hildon-desktop in scratch box | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, you've reminded me anyway, I need to compile hildon-desktop too with Rafi's latest patch | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | Can I have a quick poll amongst the developers here what to do about: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/ | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | What should we do if we detect misbehaving applications? | 18:02 |
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| Rjelari | qwerty12, ;). but still!.... appreciated if you let me know how to resolve this ! | 18:03 |
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| t_s_o | while not a dev, i would say one should contact the one working on the app and tell them about the problem... | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | t_s_o: But meanwhile people trash their devices.. | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Rjelari, I really don't know :/. I've already compiled it 3 times successfully. What SDK are you using? Scratchbox 1 or 2? How are you starting the compile (configure/make, dpkg-buildpackage)? | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | And on the other hand we don't want to be hostile.. | 18:05 |
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| t_s_o | i recall using said program for quite a while, but i dont recall it being a issue. still, i have been using it out of extra-devel so long i cant say if its been fixed or not and simply have not made its way to extra proper for some reason | 18:05 |
| mimshita | mgedmin: problem seems solved! thanks for the help | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i think "extras" should have a sense of quality, imho | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | np | 18:06 |
| mimshita | :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: but definately contact developer | 18:06 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade: imho harmful packages ought to be demoted to extras-devel | 18:06 |
| t_s_o | X-Fade: meh, tell the person working on it, and them that person can take the needed step to remove it from extras... | 18:06 |
| t_s_o | then | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes, but as long as we don't use thave QA before promotion we need at least some solution. | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: Well, nobody can remove it, but the admins.. | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | t_s_o: But that is besides the point ;) | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | also, the maintainer (or the person who promoted) ought to get an email with the reason for demotion | 18:09 |
| errordeveloper | hey .. | 18:10 |
| errordeveloper | i still cannot figure out to get the right options to mount the memory card with ext2 | 18:11 |
| errordeveloper | so that everything written to it appears with uid=29999 in maemo? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | I have sent the author a mail. Let's see what happens. | 18:12 |
| johnx | errordeveloper, you could change your uid | 18:12 |
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| errordeveloper | right .. | 18:13 |
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| errordeveloper | but i'm not too keen on doing that | 18:13 |
| johnx | well, I can't really think of any other way | 18:13 |
| errordeveloper | then i need to chmod everything on the system | 18:13 |
| errordeveloper | may be i should just try with gorup .. | 18:14 |
| errordeveloper | but not sure how you will delete files after | 18:14 |
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| errordeveloper | better to have some sort of uid masking .. | 18:14 |
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| johnx | right, I don't think you'll find a way to do that | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | grr @ modern technology, - when for once i want to order pizza, the payment service is down | 18:19 |
| johnx | huh? they don't have a dude come to your door and collect cash? | 18:20 |
| johnx | I though *I* was the one living in the future... | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | they do, but i try to avoid carrying too much cash | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | primarily doing electronic payments | 18:21 |
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| * Stskeeps curses that peer error | 18:23 | |
| * johnx curses sapwood on the pxa270 | 18:23 | |
| johnx | ah, I should see if it happens on a versatile pb | 18:23 |
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| * sp3000 wonders why X-Fade changed the quotes around personal launcher in the mail subject | 18:28 | |
| sp3000 | threadbreaker! | 18:28 |
| sp3000 | (well, for gmaily subject-sniffing threads anyway.) | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: I just hit reply? :) | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | your mua is weird :) | 18:29 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: what mua do you use? | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [CVS] | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | /nick lazyirc | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | 8MB/min, srsly?! | 18:31 |
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| X-Fade | sp3000: Even http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/ gets it. | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: But weird indeed ;) | 18:31 |
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| sp3000 | oops, I suck at reply-all in gmail | 18:33 |
| * sp3000 wondered where the heck the list lost his msg | 18:33 | |
| sp3000 | sigh | 18:33 |
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| X-Fade | I do that too, all the time ;) | 18:33 |
| sp3000 | hey, it's google, it's supposed to DTRT automatically, or at least suggest it, right? | 18:34 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm 8MB/min leak.. That is a lot. | 18:44 |
| X-Fade | I'll go and have dinner first. Bbl ;) | 18:45 |
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| l7 | anyone know if battery life is shorter when booted from SD? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ways to make yourself more productive: shut yourself out of the server at your office when trying to make a bridge from eth0 to usb0. | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | that pizza come soon or i'm going to end up sitting in a fetal position and smoking cigarettes, that is how bad this day is :P | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, When are you going to release the book? :p | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | heh :P | 18:49 |
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| johnx | almost at the end of the week | 18:52 |
| johnx | just hang in there | 18:52 |
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| rm_you | johnx: did you ping me? | 19:25 |
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| johnx | just said I'd coerce you into coding stuff | 19:26 |
| johnx | nothing big :) | 19:26 |
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| rm_you | ah yes | 19:27 |
| rm_you | i do like watching video on my tablet | 19:27 |
| rm_you | that's basically why i have it :P | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and is related to most of the things I actually work on | 19:27 |
| rm_you | like a2dp | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and mplayer | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and streaming stuff | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and uPnP | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and mythtv | 19:27 |
| rm_you | and... things | 19:28 |
| johnx | what are you using for video these days? built in player? mplayer? canola? | 19:28 |
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| rm_you | mplayer | 19:29 |
| rm_you | pretty much always mplayer | 19:29 |
| rm_you | it seems to be the most reliable video player I know about, on virtually every platform I have ever touched | 19:29 |
| rm_you | or thought about touching | 19:29 |
| johnx | I just wish there was a way to make it play nicer with canola | 19:29 |
| rm_you | at this point, i'm wondering if the quality of mplayer performance is actually a major deciding factor in whether or not i'll touch a platform >_> | 19:30 |
| johnx | well it *should* be if it's not already | 19:30 |
| rm_you | neat: http://www.quartics.com/QV1721.html | 19:30 |
| rm_you | I want 5 | 19:30 |
| johnx | anyways, anything with an omap3 will be basically golden :) | 19:30 |
| rm_you | on all of my devices | 19:30 |
| johnx | realtime 1080p is pretty impressive. omap3s will cover up to 702p at least though, so not a big issue for future devices | 19:31 |
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| rm_you | http://www.fit-pc.co.uk/index.html | 19:33 |
| rm_you | also neat | 19:33 |
| rm_you | http://www.fit-pc.co.uk/fitpc-slim-specs.pdf | 19:33 |
| johnx | somewhat | 19:34 |
| johnx | I'm more impressed with the beagle really | 19:34 |
| rm_you | isn't this smaller? | 19:34 |
| johnx | beagle is 3"x3" | 19:34 |
| rm_you | not sure about power consumption on the beagle... | 19:34 |
| * johnx 's metric conversion fails | 19:34 | |
| rm_you | I might need 5 or 7 of them though | 19:34 |
| johnx | it's gonna be less than any x86 box :) | 19:35 |
| rm_you | I need a lot of things <_< | 19:35 |
| rm_you | and by need I mean want | 19:35 |
| rm_you | and by want I mean need | 19:35 |
| johnx | :P | 19:35 |
| johnx | that is impressively small though | 19:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:36 |
| rm_you | they only ship to europe >_> | 19:36 |
| rm_you | will have to get lcuk to ship it to me :P | 19:36 |
| johnx | vga out is the only choice on that though, which is sad | 19:36 |
| rm_you | at least it HAS video out | 19:36 |
| johnx | ow, a little steep too | 19:36 |
| johnx | what would you use it for? | 19:36 |
| rm_you | yeah 219 GBP | 19:37 |
| rm_you | erm | 19:37 |
| rm_you | good question | 19:37 |
| rm_you | for the powers of good? | 19:37 |
| johnx | would you really though? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | beagles are definately cheaper | 19:37 |
| rm_you | for great justice? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | like 70 gbp or something | 19:37 |
| rm_you | wow | 19:37 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:37 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:37 |
| rm_you | yeah $149 | 19:37 |
| johnx | like the imac? and the ... other stuff... in your room...at home? | 19:37 |
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| rm_you | I do kinda want one | 19:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:38 |
| rm_you | no :P | 19:38 |
| johnx | ahaha :D | 19:38 |
| rm_you | that iMac is just... lol | 19:38 |
| johnx | it should be *doing something* though | 19:38 |
| rm_you | a very large paperweight. that just happens to completely obscure the paper | 19:38 |
| johnx | and I have just the thing | 19:38 |
| johnx | it should probably be running webcollage | 19:39 |
| rm_you | did GA ever say how nice video looked on the beagle? | 19:39 |
| johnx | I don't remember | 19:39 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:39 |
| rm_you | beagle has svideo and dvi out? | 19:39 |
| rm_you | like... mini dvi that needs a dongle or something? | 19:39 |
| johnx | dunno | 19:40 |
| johnx | yes, probably | 19:40 |
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| johnx | huh, says "dvi-d" | 19:40 |
| rm_you | dunno what that is | 19:40 |
| rm_you | but looks tiny | 19:40 |
| rm_you | and sounds like DVI | 19:40 |
| johnx | ah, hdmi plug | 19:40 |
| rm_you | oh, nice shopping list | 19:41 |
| rm_you | http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList | 19:41 |
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| * johnx continues to kill time waiting for ubuntu to install on qemu-system-arm | 19:42 | |
| * qwerty12 wastes time *again* packaging the latest mpd with opts of all libraries involved >.< | 19:42 | |
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| disco_stu | someone has a 150x sd card ? | 19:42 |
| johnx | need. more. RAM. | 19:43 |
| rm_you | <_< | 19:46 |
| rm_you | I am so out of the loop | 19:46 |
| rm_you | i have no idea what's going on with technology in the past like 3 months | 19:46 |
| johnx | well since you're never on here I assume that means you're never online? | 19:46 |
| rm_you | basically | 19:47 |
| johnx | which I do find hard to believe ... but still :P | 19:47 |
| johnx | you've heard of the pandora, right? | 19:47 |
| rm_you | yes | 19:48 |
| rm_you | that was like... summer :P | 19:48 |
| rm_you | i still haven't unpacked from germany <_< | 19:48 |
| johnx | >_< | 19:49 |
| rm_you | i just kind of up-ended by suitcase in a corner and grabbed clothes as I needed them | 19:49 |
| rm_you | it's all still sitting in a pile | 19:49 |
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| qwerty12 | avahi is a big motherfucker... | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, what am i shipping to you | 20:16 |
| lcuk | and will i get arrested | 20:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Ganja green | 20:16 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: fitPC, but nm, it's expensive and meh :P | 20:17 |
| lcuk | ahhh ok | 20:17 |
| rm_you | alternatively, Absenthe :P though I think jott is a better option for that | 20:17 |
| rm_you | since he can just run over to the Depot ^_^ | 20:17 |
| rm_you | apparently it's legal here now? | 20:18 |
| johnx | back in a sec | 20:18 |
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| rm_you | someone told me that... dunno if I believe them | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy :O | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | Yes? | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, hi, never seen you here before :) | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | No, I don't ICR much. | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | Came in about the "Personal Launcher" problem. | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | ICR = IRC ;-) | 20:20 |
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| fiferboy | 'Beware "Personal Launcher"' seems a bit harsh to me, but I'm a bit biased... | 20:21 |
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| rm_you | why beware it? what are people claiming is wrong with it? | 20:24 |
| johnx | awesome. qemu-arm just sefaulted in the middle of my ubuntu install | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | Memory leak. Apparently 8MB/min, but I can't see how that is possible. | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | I've never heard any other reports, so I am wondering who had this issue. | 20:25 |
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| Guest9198_887 | hello | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | Eero Tamminen - from maemo-developers. Nokia employee, I'm guessing he tested with his own memory leaking tooks (sp-*) | 20:26 |
| Guest9198_887 | I want to reset my n800 | 20:27 |
| Guest9198_887 | but it needs me to input a code | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Have you changed this code? | 20:28 |
| Guest9198_887 | no | 20:28 |
| fiferboy | I ran mem-monitor from sp-memusage in scratchbox, and there is no variation. | 20:28 |
| Guest9198_887 | i dont know the code | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | It's something like 12345 | 20:28 |
| fiferboy | It only reports total, free, and used memory and it show no variation. | 20:29 |
| Guest9198_887 | to return it to factry settings | 20:29 |
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| Guest9198_887 | so i just try 12345 but no luck | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | sigh. Get root access first: | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | ~rootsh | 20:30 |
| infobot | it has been said that rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 20:30 |
| Guest9198_887 | i have a app on it that i can not remove | 20:31 |
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| Guest9198_887 | so if i reset the device it will remove that app | 20:32 |
| mimshita | hi! i'm trying to compile an application, one of the libraries isn't found by the aplication, libgtkhtml-2.0, i've already installed it, but no result...still the same error | 20:32 |
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| rm_you | mimshita: you need the -dev package | 20:32 |
| rm_you | probably libgtkhtml-2.0-dev | 20:32 |
| rm_you | that's what the compiler is looking for | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | mimshita, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkg-config | 20:33 |
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| mimshita | humm, ok, i'll try that, thanks | 20:33 |
| * rm_you waves at Khertan_n810 | 20:33 | |
| rm_you | and now i'm really off | 20:33 |
| johnx | 'later rm_you | 20:33 |
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| mimshita | rm_you: thanks, it is done | 20:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | and hello rm_you :) | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | comments so far? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think we'll add some qemu arms and so on for the build system | 20:36 |
| * Khertan_n810 have try fennec | 20:36 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | and what can i say... | 20:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | a french expression maybe : this smell like a fennec | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | this app is really not ready to be use ... (yes i know alpha version) | 20:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, looks great | 20:39 |
| * Khertan_n810 pray to see the mcalendar sync not crashing | 20:39 | |
| Stskeeps | and then we'll work out what is to be considered the core system | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | fail ... | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | /media/mmc1/Projects/mcalendar/mcalendar_ui.py:927: GtkWarning: gdk_window_resize: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed | 20:40 |
| fiferboy | Are there any debian packaging gurus who know how to rename a debian so it will recognize the new package name as a replacement for the old package name? | 20:40 |
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| fiferboy | The best I can find is: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | Xlib: sequence lost (0x1108b > 0x108c) in reply type 0x0! | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouuch | 20:40 |
| fiferboy | But it only works on a dist-upgrade, which people don't do on the tablet. | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n810, ive had those type of errors - extremely randomly though, not reproducable ever | 20:41 |
| lcuk | whats causing yours | 20:41 |
| lcuk | hiya btw | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk ... at a first look i ll say a gtk lib call in a thread | 20:41 |
| lcuk | its reproducable in your case? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | not everytime | 20:42 |
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| johnx | fiferboy, so you want your package to be replaced with a normal upgrade? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | in fact it s mainly depends of the charge of the cpu | 20:42 |
| fiferboy | If that is possible. | 20:42 |
| johnx | I think that's not possible. it tends to go against "the user is in control" | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | gtk.gdk.threads_enter() should do the trick | 20:43 |
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| fiferboy | That explains why I couldn't find it. The problem, then, is making users aware that the old package name is no longer being updated and there is now a new package name. | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk : i confirm a call to gtk while in thread | 20:44 |
| johnx | make an update to the old one that causes it to pop up a message: "I am out of date! uninstall me and install this package instead." | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ahhh i wish mine was so clearcut, but since ive only encountered it a few very random times i cant do anything | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | or maybe do a postinst script calling apt-get ? | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk : in fact the message is clear ... async ... | 20:46 |
| lcuk | in your case, yes | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, /var/lib/dpkg is locked when one apt is running already | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i dont use gtk nor work really async | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12_N800: right | 20:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12_N800: a postinst script which launch a process waiting and running it once dpkg is no more locked ? | 20:47 |
| fiferboy | johnx: Not a bad idea! I guess another option would be to just change the XB-Maemo-Display-Name so it shows up with a different name but keeps the same package name. | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk : yep but maybe an other lib which isn t thread safe | 20:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, maybe making the old package a metapackage that depends on your new package? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you think having a package system that builds system images with debootstrap & apt-get and chroot and mkfs.jffs2 would be satisfying enough for system builders? | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 : better :) | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | so they can value-add packages on top of the system | 20:48 |
| lcuk | yeah Khertan_n810, ive pondered if its something else intefering with xlib, but thats outside my scope really | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | (wifi driver, GPS, hal/ohm addons, software differentiators) | 20:49 |
| mimshita | thanks for the help, see you all tomorrow:) | 20:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: which lib do u use ? | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | x11+xv | 20:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: maybe a gdb could help ? | 20:49 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: I have thought of that. I was hoping to have the first package uninstall afterward, but if the worst case senario has an extra metapackage sitting there, that's not too bad. | 20:50 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds totally reasonable. a .tar.gz/bz2 target should also be an option for us and other enthusiasts | 20:50 |
| lcuk | not really, its SOOOOOOO infrequent i could sit there for days (ive not seen it for weeks now) | 20:50 |
| johnx | fiferboy, if that's the worst problem then I would definitely just do that | 20:50 |
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| fiferboy | I'll try the meta package route again, though I seem to recall running into a problem with it. | 20:51 |
| fiferboy | Can't remember what the problem was, though. | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 20:53 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: Hi, it was me who sent you the email to warn you.. | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: one of our target images / Po's should be a n8x0 image with initfs and rootfs, with vendor differentiators (wifi firmware, etc) as an example i guess. (scripts for building this, not distributing, x86 images and beagleboard i guess | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 860, in endheaders | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups sorry | 20:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i get now strange gcalendar | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | gdata.calendar error | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | grrr | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | sslerror: (8, 'EOF occurred in violation of protocol') | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | this work well 6 weeks ago ... and now ... grrr | 20:55 |
| lcuk | omg khertan, is this linked to a comment i spotted about someone being an hour out | 20:56 |
| lcuk | now that daylight savings has changed | 20:56 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: Hi. I really haven't heard of a problem like this from anyone else who has used Personal Launcher | 20:57 |
| fiferboy | With an 8MB/min drain, it would be extremely obvious as the device would be on it's knees after a few minutes. | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: It is just that the person who wrote about this is about the most knowledgeable guy there is ;) | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: he did mention it stops when it's filled up though | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: That is what made it sound prudent to me. | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | he's practically mr nXXX isn't he? :P | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | from sw point of view | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk : ? | 20:59 |
| fiferboy | I don't doubt his report, but the fact that 11000 other people have downloaded the software and not had any similar problem sunfuses me. | 20:59 |
| fiferboy | sunfuses = confuses | 20:59 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: But it can be something that triggered it. | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | are we speaking about the sidebar applet of personal launcher or the desktop one? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | i spotted a message very recently from someone who said they enter dates into mcalendar one hour from the actual time, and this is related to the daylight savings changes | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: As he also said: "For some strange reason its memory usage evened out after it's eaten about all there is. It's possible that there was some triggering condition for this, I don't know." | 21:00 |
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| fiferboy | I would need to know what conditions he was running it with, and whether it can be reproduced. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | i didnt think twice about it (i think it was one of your threads) but you just saying "something worked a few weeks ago" clicked | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | And if it would leak badly there would be an OOM situation pretty soon. | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: the desktop one. Sidebar is Personal Menu | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: yep in the version in repository their is many problem with daylight and current version in repository | 21:01 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: agreed | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | but the 0.5 should fix this | 21:01 |
| l7 | is it possible to store all your data in ext2 format when booting from SD? | 21:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | (and many other things) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, :) np whatsoever | 21:01 |
| fiferboy | Do we know how he determined it was Personal Launcher? | 21:01 |
| lcuk | excellent that you are busy | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i think their will be new problems as it s a complete rewrite of mCalendar | 21:02 |
| lcuk | oooh sounds familiar | 21:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 21:02 |
| * lcuk has bits of liqbase scattered around the garage | 21:02 | |
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| X-Fade | fiferboy: fwiw, I have installed the application now too. And it seems ok for now ;) | 21:04 |
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| fiferboy | I have run it through valgrind and mem-monitor without issue, so it must be some condition. | 21:05 |
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| X-Fade | fiferboy: What does it monitor to redraw? | 21:05 |
| fiferboy | Expose event or configuration file update. | 21:06 |
| fiferboy | Which is why I can't understand why it would trigger even with the screen blanked | 21:06 |
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| fiferboy | Unless something is sending it expose events when it shouldn't be. | 21:06 |
| X-Fade | Overlapping applets perhaps? | 21:07 |
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| fiferboy | I haven't done any formal memory testing with overlapping applets, but I have definitely has them on my tablet without issue. | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | Unless it is a specific applet combination. Can I find that out? | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: Well, eero is always on -developers. | 21:10 |
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| X-Fade | fiferboy: I will comment to the thread that I don't see that behavior on my tablet. | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | Thanks. | 21:10 |
| X-Fade | I see one redraw after I move an applet away. | 21:11 |
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| X-Fade | But not constant redraws. | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | That's good. | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did we ever discover what is actually special about nokia's glib? | 21:15 |
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| johnx | hmm | 21:15 |
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| johnx | uhm, nothing? | 21:16 |
| johnx | ah, there are changed in the debian/changelog | 21:16 |
| johnx | nothing sweeping I think | 21:17 |
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| johnx | "* Add realtime scheduling for GThreadPools and atomic operations for ARM." looks the most interesting at first glance :) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:17 |
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| glaubertsouza | hi all.! | 21:38 |
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| korgoth | hello guys | 21:40 |
| korgoth | anyone using wikipedia dump reader? | 21:40 |
| johnx | the browser based one? | 21:41 |
| korgoth | dont think its browser based.. i havnt seen that browser based ure talking about? | 21:43 |
| korgoth | where to find it' | 21:43 |
| korgoth | ? | 21:43 |
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| johnx | one sec | 21:44 |
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| korgoth | the one i have is working fine excedpt it does not support cyrillic searches :( | 21:46 |
| johnx | let's see, there's the mokopedia one, the sdict based one, and then I guess you could just take a dump of wikipedia and look at it in a browser | 21:46 |
| korgoth | the thing is the one i have is reading from the tar.gz | 21:47 |
| korgoth | saves a lot of space.. | 21:47 |
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| korgoth | anyway.. the other thing that bugs me is the applications stealing focus from one another | 21:48 |
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| korgoth | is there some upgrade ot fix for that | 21:49 |
| korgoth | ? | 21:49 |
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| X-Fade | fiferboy: My n810 is still alive ;) | 21:52 |
| johnx | they say they'll fix it on a case by case basis | 21:53 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: :-D | 21:53 |
| fiferboy | That's probably a good sign | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: With 8MB/s it should be dead by now ;) | 21:53 |
| johnx | korgoth, might be interested in reading this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2430 | 21:53 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: well eero said it's happy as soon as it has all of it | 21:54 |
| sp3000 | you could grab the sp-endurance bits and run that in a loop with sleep for pretty graphs | 21:54 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: Do you still have a reasonable amount of memory free? | 21:54 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: But I still have 3 blocks free on my cpu/mem monitor applet ;) | 21:54 |
| sp3000 | (tools repo) | 21:54 |
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| sp3000 | well that's no fun | 21:55 |
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| X-Fade | sp3000: If I actually had more time to spare, I would do that. But I have already worked more than 12 hours for maemo.org today and I think it is enough :) | 21:59 |
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| sp3000 | what, but there's another 12h left! | 22:00 |
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| X-Fade | I'm pretty dedicated, but that is pushing it ;) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | sp3000, yes as X-Fade says, its pushing it. hes entitled to a 15minute break before his next shift | 22:02 |
| * sp3000 starts the timer | 22:02 | |
| lcuk | heh | 22:02 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: The graveyard shift? Nooooo.. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i hope you keep your crackberry clone (nokia branded of course) on you during your "down time" and answer any calls which come in | 22:03 |
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| * lcuk is hunting for a wii-fit | 22:04 | |
| lcuk | i doubt ill find one though | 22:04 |
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| puffandstuff | any spec about mamemo raphics please ? (3D features, X, egl or something else clutter) i want to read anything | 22:06 |
| lcuk | whats a mamemo raphics? | 22:06 |
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| puffandstuff | lcuk, graphics sorry | 22:07 |
| lcuk | heh i kinda gathered ;) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | its got x | 22:07 |
| lcuk | theres a software opengl driver out there somewhere (though not compilable from source) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | theres a dedicated 3d core on the device but no1 bothered to include a switch | 22:08 |
| lcuk | so its set to "off" | 22:08 |
| lcuk | theres plenty of clutter on my desktop but its not 3d | 22:08 |
| puffandstuff | lcuk, Ok thanks for the information. Is there any design documents or any sepcifications for that ? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | not sure which aspect you mean, clutter is documented somewhere but useless, as is ogl and im quite certain x is as well | 22:10 |
| puffandstuff | lcuk, thanks | 22:10 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Hi. | 22:15 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Can I ask you to translate these few categories in pt_PT? https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations | 22:16 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, no prob, I will do it | 22:21 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Thanks! | 22:23 |
| X-Fade | So now we only need somebody with no_NO :) | 22:23 |
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| benh | ok | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i have a no_NO translation laying in my log, with gplv2 verified | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: no_NO: Skrivebord, Programming, Undervisning, Spill, Grafikk, Multimedia, Navigasjon, Internet og Nettverk, Kontor, Vitenskap, System, Verktoy | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, attribution? | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Navigation is Location & Navigation | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Once we get pt_PT we're mostly done. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | A few translations don't have attribution, a few more I still need to confirm the licensing on. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some of the translations are Education and some are Educational. :\ | 23:04 |
| VDVsx | is something wrong with the wiki ? I can't stay log'ed | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure you're using https | 23:07 |
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| VDVsx | humm, I'm using https | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, ping? | 23:12 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, peng! | 23:13 |
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| VDVsx | pt_PT done | 23:15 |
| l7 | is Bos Wars any fun? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: still awake? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, OK, is GPLv2 acceptable? :) | 23:16 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, sure, lol | 23:16 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, thanks! :D | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: finally got the builder up again :P | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | now it doesn't do the peer stuff | 23:16 |
| johnx | ah, what was the problem? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | either double-NAT or linux NAT acting up | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's now bridging so | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | (which was why i threw my works development server offline by accident..) | 23:17 |
| johnx | eep | 23:18 |
| johnx | well at least nothing else can go wrong today, right? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | i hope not | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:18 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm just trying to get ubuntu installed on qemu so I can go back to actually using my arm devices | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | but, http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ is kinda cool | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | you can see why it fails etc | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | and we can easily attach qemu builders on to it | 23:20 |
| johnx | so is this using one of the debian autobuilder daemons? | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | just needs a place to ssh to | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | self written monster | 23:21 |
| johnx | so it doesn't build in a clean chroot? | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | for now, no | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | but hmm, "nd_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 253408 | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's nasty | 23:21 |
| johnx | yeah, very icky | 23:22 |
| johnx | chewed up a nice new SD card? | 23:22 |
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| johnx | it's not an adata 4GB is it? | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | kingston 4gb i think | 23:23 |
| * Stskeeps should probably use nfs boot next time | 23:24 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly if there's a wasy to cut usb power from command line | 23:24 | |
| johnx | I've used enough hardware at this point that I'm running out of brands I haven't had a screw up badly on me | 23:24 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: not reproducible for me either -- it does have an animate option for when you tap stuff but I can't get the animation to stick or anything | 23:24 |
| johnx | if you rmmod the usb root hub driver I think it will cut power to connected devices | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: on the other hand it just surved a machine reboot | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | right,rootstraps on nfs next time | 23:26 |
| * Stskeeps makes mental note | 23:26 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no armv7? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's no mojo armv7 afaik | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could've sworn there was | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | no such thing in ubuntu either | 23:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I remember that. | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | they will make customized libs/etc for armv6/vfp/armv7 though | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I do remember that | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the advantage Ångstrom has. | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | angstrom's kinda like a gentoo i guess | 23:37 |
| johnx | except worth it | 23:38 |
| johnx | :) | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:38 |
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| johnx | if everything wasn't completely broken to cross compile I would have switched to angstrom/OE long ago | 23:38 |
| johnx | but everything is completely broken to cross compile, so I might as well use debuntu | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we should also ponder about straying from Maemo's "we must crosscompile 100%" to native compilation + distcc | 23:39 |
| johnx | it would be nice to not regress if we can avoid it, but I see no problem with native | 23:40 |
| johnx | there are fast, cheap arm build machines, and it saves huge amount of maintainer time (and sanity) | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Native is even better considering OMAP3 | 23:41 |
| johnx | I think the fastest ARM might still be a dual core marvell board | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you catch the 1GHz ARM they were using for Debian? | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blog post somewhere which, of course, I can't find now. | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i guess sb2 might be more sane | 23:42 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, maybe, one day | 23:44 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: http://suihkulokki.blogspot.com/2008/09/marvell-mv78x00-board.html | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the one | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, sp3000. :) | 23:44 |
| johnx | that's what I was referring to :) | 23:44 |
| sp3000 | /nick googlebot | 23:44 |
| * moontiger is teaching some google people right now :) | 23:45 | |
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| rkabir | out of curiousity - does anyone know how many people on this channel are employed by Nokia? | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | rkabir: it's not always easy, cos some are hired by maemo.org, and not maemo sw for instance :P | 23:47 |
| rkabir | Stskeeps: what do you mean? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | rkabir, well, there are Nokia employees, there are Nokia contractors, and there are maemo.org people | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | rkabir: as in there's people hired for running maemo.org, some are hired for developing the maemo system inside nokia, some are in companies that nokia contracts with.. | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. what GA said | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | All of them technically employed by Nokia, but to different degrees and for different purposes. | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | rkabir, more than the average for these sorts of projects, I'd imagine. | 23:48 |
| rkabir | ok, that makes sense | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll not point any of them out unless they wish to step forward themselves, though. ;) | 23:49 |
| rkabir | my question stems from wanting to understand why I *always* find traffic on #maemo, and never on any of the OLPC-related channels | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Maemo's super awesome? :P | 23:49 |
| rkabir | GeneralAntilles: no, of course not :) I just wanted to get an idea - thanks. And no argument there! | 23:50 |
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| rkabir | Stskeeps: thanks - makes much more sense | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | rkabir: tablets are like brain slugs. on your body at all times.. | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 23:50 |
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| moontiger | you mean headcrabs? | 23:51 |
| rkabir | Stskeeps: that's more what I was thinking. I've been trying to decide between the two projects to get my hands dirty - and my N810 seems much more compelling to hack on, though the OLPC seems like such a good cause | 23:51 |
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| Stskeeps | rkabir: N810 is a very versatile device and any stuff done in tablet area may also change the world eventually | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | as many of the challenges are similar, power consumption, ease of use, etc.. | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK_ | christmas is nearing and no N900 in sight? :-( | 23:54 |
| rkabir | Stskeeps: absolutely. Personally, I'm hoping to learn enough to fix the bluetooth latency I'm seeing with my keyboard. I do like the fact that I can work on something *i* will use. I'm a selfish bastard after all :) | 23:54 |
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| johnx | ShadowJK_, sometime after june 2009 | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK_ | bah | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK_ | Looks like I'll have to spend money on presents for other people, then :) | 23:55 |
| johnx | that date was set in september you know... | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK_ | Oh I guess I saw something before that speculating a christmas surprise | 23:56 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if there are any desktop jaiku clients | 23:57 | |
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| rkabir | Stskeeps: what desktop OS? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | well in this case xp, i have mauku on my n800 :P | 23:58 |
| rkabir | i've used http://jay-q.com/ | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: have you seen my builder of doom? | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | nop | 23:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com | 23:59 |
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