IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-11-18

andre__there will be another SSU for diablo. maybe even two. honestly, i don't know, but i've heard rumours00:00
milhouseIf that bombshell drops ITt will fall off the face of the earth00:00
GeneralAntillesThe reality is that Fremantle may just not be able to run on OMAP2 hardware.00:00
lcuk2dont shoot the messenger GeneralAntilles, how do you know its the same lead thats there now as who said that originally00:00
* qwerty12_N800 gives 2 fingers to the inventor of that excuse. Stupid bellend.00:00
milhouseGAN: Bogus? You put it mildly sir! ;)00:00
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, he deserves to be shot for giving it out with a straight face while not at gunpoint.00:01
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lcuk2think about it GeneralAntilles the guy could have honestly meant it at the time, but now its like "oh shit"  - kind like running out of doctor who transformations00:01
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Andy80what package I'm missing in Scratchbox if I get this error starting a Python/GTK application: ImportError: No module named gtk00:02
milhouseMaybe Fremantle won't run on N8x0 in the same way that it was impossible to get OS2007 to work on 770...00:02
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GeneralAntillesWho else thinks the reason Nokia is delaying the DSME source release is so my anger dies down about them moving code into MCE? <_<00:02
lcuk2andy80 pygtk?00:02
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, Clutter00:02
GeneralAntillesTotally new media framework00:02
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GeneralAntillesOMAP3 is fucking lightyears ahead of OMAP200:03
milhouseyah... they might be right this time :)00:03
GeneralAntillesNot even close to the jump from OMAP1 to OMAP200:03
Andy80lcuk2: yes, but what is the exact package name?00:03
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: should come soon according to qgil :P00:03
milhouseassuming they use all it's goodies of course!00:03
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, I hope the rtcomm guy "helps" us out again re mce...00:03
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, they will.00:03
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milhouseGAN: what makes you so sure?00:04
lcuk2Andy80, at your console type apt-cache search pygtk00:04
GeneralAntillesDSP will be used for video decoding00:04
GeneralAntillesthere will be 3D drivers.00:04
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, they said so at the Summit.00:04
lcuk2it will list matching packages, see which jumps out00:04
lcuk2dsp video?00:04
milhouseGAN: Sweet... i'll cross my fingers...00:04
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, the IVA2 is a little different from the IVA00:04
lcuk2yeah, but its wrong to say its dsp00:04
Andy80lcuk2: they're all installed00:04
lcuk2dunno then andy00:05
milhouseI think if/when it becomes official that Fremantle won't run on N8x0 hardware then Nokia have a duty of care to release everything possible to allow community support...00:05
lcuk2theres no saying its NOT possible yet00:05
lcuk2theres options for 3d on this device still00:05
milhouseok if if if00:05
StskeepsMCE is replacable. DSME is replacable.00:05
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, well, we've got open source wlan drivers.00:05
lcuk2maybe not 800*480 but i think its possible00:05
GeneralAntillesSo we're not stuck with an old kernel00:05
milhouseGAN: Woohoo! :) But that's just for starters, right?00:06
Stskeepsmilhouse: i'm able to replicate a horridly lot of maemo functionality so far00:06
GeneralAntillesThe kernel is really the nastiest hurdle.00:06
GeneralAntillesEverything else is either non-critical or has open source equivalents.00:06
milhouseWhat happened to BME?00:07
qwerty12_N800still exists00:07
Stskeepsis a hald addon now really00:07
milhouseis that open sourced know or are we still having to guess what it does?00:07
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, the C64x is a DSP00:07
Stskeepsthe communication part, that is00:07
Stskeepswith FTD it will take a determined person a couple of days to reveal entire BME status, really00:08
Stskeepsbut let's see how nokia will act regarding fremantle :P00:08
milhouseyeah, everyone (from Nokia) keeps saying it's really simple to reverse engineer it - if it's that simple, why do we have to? don't make us beg, jump through hoops...00:08
Stskeepsbme i can understand why they don't want us fiddling with, though00:09
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zakkmis jonx or Stskeeps here?00:09
Stskeepsbut publishing interfaces to get current power usage, battery level, etc, should be enough00:09
milhouseall the more reason may be to give us the details? :) someone will work it out eventually, if it really is that simple00:09
Stskeepszakkm: .. i'm around00:09
lcuk2you arent called the General for nothing gen :) you are right of course, i thought the ISP was used for vid decoding
zakkmoh Stskeeps: did you want the "server"?00:10
zakkmwould it help?00:10
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, ISP is for the camera (up to 12MP)00:10
zakkmlcuk2: why is liqbase camera .. upside down?00:10
Stskeepszakkm: sure, - right now im compiling somewhere im not really supposed to :P00:10
GeneralAntillesSo, you're more or less correct. ;)00:10
milhouseIVA on OMAP2 is for video acceleration, but not used.00:10
lcuk2zakkm, cos i had a locked camera n810 and didnt realise there was anything needed in code to do00:11
zakkmStskeeps: Is it just debian + ssh ?00:11
lcuk2it will be fixed for the next release00:11
Stskeepszakkm: ubuntu server is probably best00:11
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Stskeepsas we develop on a ubuntu base00:11
zakkmlcuk2: ah okay, my friends in drama class ( grade 12 - highschool  ) was like wtf why is it upside down00:11
lcuk2GeneralAntilles, yeah i see00:11
zakkmoh i think that somewhere00:11
zakkmwould be 7.0400:11
lcuk2zakkm, did you (and them) like it00:11
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, bringing the IVA and DSP together is likely to increase the usage00:11
lcuk2yeah no doubt00:12
Stskeepsmilhouse: if we actually get something about of seperating the maemo from the hw support, and establishing a core platform which we -then- place hw support on top of.. then things look a lot different00:12
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure ANYTHING uses the IVA on OMAP200:12
zakkmyeah, the normal camera app freezes my nokia ;p00:12
GeneralAntillesIt's hard enough to get the DSP to do useful things.00:12
zakkmalso, why is it tiled?00:12
lcuk2no, but it has RGB->YUV locked up inside it00:12
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lcuk2i wanted to use it as a pathway from the PVR output plane into the memory for sending to LCD00:12
lcuk2to maintain nice fast all hardware pipeline00:12
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milhousei do hope the video on the next device isn't as fcked up as the last one00:13
Stskeepsmilhouse: then ideally all nokia would have to do is support their binary blobs and just rebuild the images.. but we'll see :P00:13
lcuk2its the sensor quality which lets it down00:13
milhouselcuk: and the video bandwidth (or lack of)00:14
lcuk2in liqbase i desaturate every image by 50% to try to reduce the snow00:14
zakkmis this OMAP3430 the one in the nokia n800?00:14
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lcuk2my dedicated camera has trouble showing live 640*480 video feeds its just recorded00:14
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milhouselcuk: but deffo agree on the sensor quality... I had a look at an iPhone the other day, I gave it back and sobbed gently to myself (nobody saw so that's ok)00:14
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GeneralAntillesmilhouse, OMAP3 can decode 720p without issue just with NEON optimizations.00:14
GeneralAntilleszakkm, the N8x0 has an OMAP242000:15
lcuk2milhouse, i've pushed as hard as i can re the camera and people all appeared to agree that a better camera will be included00:15
milhouseGAN: that'll be nice, maybe the new device will have video out like my N85 (composite output via a 3.5mm headphone socket)00:15
zakkmdoes this opengl fremantle is suppose to bring, work on the n800?00:15
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lcuk2nobody knows00:15
zakkmor is it referring to the new nokia model00:15
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, it's got a whole 640x480 framebuffer just for video out.00:15
GeneralAntillesHopefully Nokia hooks it up to something.00:15
JamieBennettzakkm: The omap2 and omap3 are leagues apart when it comes to media00:15
Andy80lcuk2: now it works... I simply was using python instead of python2.500:15
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Andy80another question: what's wrong if I'm not able to connect to internet from inside the Maemo running on Xephyr?00:16
milhouseGAN: 640x480 - the new device?00:16
lcuk2i dunno, i dont design on fake incomplete hardware00:16
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StskeepsAndy80: probably resolv.conf not right00:16
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, OMAP300:16
lcuk2its a touch device, i write touch software, im not going to use a mouse to test it00:17
GeneralAntillesTwo framebuffers, the main one is 1024x768, the secondary is 640x48000:17
Andy80Stskeeps: but.... for example wget from Scratchbox command line works fine00:17
milhouseGAN: What would be better, of course, would be 720p but that would require another socket of some kind on the device.00:17
GeneralAntillesand another controller.00:17
milhouseGAN: Can the OMAP3 output 720p ?00:17
JamieBennettmilhouse: yes00:17
GeneralAntilles1024x768 on the primary framebuffer00:17
zakkm720p .. huge filesize, how big are your SD cards? :P00:17
GeneralAntillesSo, no.00:17
lcuk2zakkm, compression and networks00:18
GeneralAntillesAlthough if you get deep enough hooks you could probably play with the timings to squeeze a little more out00:18
GeneralAntillesbut, uh, no guarantees.00:18
milhousezakkm: 8gb microSD, 16gb SD...00:18
JamieBennettgeneralantilles: 720p is possible on beagle or do you know something I don't00:18
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, display resolution output?00:18
GeneralAntillesNot decoding.00:18
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JamieBennettmaybe wires crossed are we talking black bars?00:19
milhouseGAN: 720p video out would be icing on the cake but not essential (for me) - as long as the primary video is spot on and not flawed by poor design that's all that matters to me.00:19
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milhouseGAN: I'm sure the IVA/IVA2 in OMAP2 is capable of decoding DVD resolution, would have expected the OMAP3 to have pushed that to at least 720p00:20
GeneralAntillesAnyway, there's basically no chance of Nokia wiring it up that way.00:20
GeneralAntillesAn HDMI port simply wouldn't fit on the device00:20
* JamieBennett is reading00:20
GeneralAntillesand it's totally not in their target audience's use-case.00:20
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, I don't think anybody has utilized the DSP yet for video decoding.00:20
milhouseGAN: There must be some sort of "miniHDMI" coming - what do Archos do?00:20
GeneralAntillesNEON is just SIMD on the Cortex.00:20
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, bigger device, proprietary docking port.00:21
JamieBennettor Displayport (me ducks!)00:21
milhouseI'd actually like it to have a docking port - easy charging + video  in one dock would work for me.00:21
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milhouseMaybe even replicate USB, keyboard/mouse etc.... my ideal would be for these things to become desktop substitutes00:22
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GeneralAntillesI still can't get over this
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milhouseFair answer - needs a shave though00:23
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JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: As with all software, the larger the project the more bugs00:23
GeneralAntillesI should update my avatar00:24
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: It should be number of bigs/number of users00:25
JamieBennettbugs :)00:25
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, that doesn't tell you anything, either.00:25
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GeneralAntillesOnly the bug-filing proclivity of a particular product's userbase.00:26
GeneralAntillesOK, new avatar uploaded00:26
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: So the answer is ...00:26
GeneralAntillesLet's see if the change in demeanor changes people's responses to me. :D00:26
milhousethat's so much better! ;)00:26
GeneralAntillesThat cracks me up.00:26
milhousethe scowl has been banished!00:27
GeneralAntillesScowl -> goofy grin00:27
GeneralAntillesI look like such a wanker00:27
lcuk2omg gen, you finally got laid then i see00:27
JamieBennettstill need a shave ;)00:27
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, I was considering it a few weeks ago00:27
GeneralAntillesbut then winter came on.00:27
GeneralAntillesImma start growing it out into a scarf in preparation for next year. ;)00:28
zakkmHi , sorry, before i bought my nokia n800, i saw an app that looked identical and functioned just like a TI-83? calculator, but i couldnt find the program again since00:28
zakkmanyone happen to know and willing to share the name00:28
GeneralAntillesOh, man, lcuk2, I'm still laughing.00:28
lcuk2zakkm,   try this00:29
* GeneralAntilles hits the back button to compare.00:29
milhousezakkm: there was an HP calculator app00:29
zakkmyeah i think thats it00:29
* JamieBennett thinks lcuk2 has a 'condition' ;)00:29
lcuk2yeah, writers block00:29
milhousetry googleing for "maemo hp calculator" should be the first few hits00:29
milhousedunno if any links actually work, mind00:29
zakkmthats a free4200:30
milhousehere's the link for OS2008:
GeneralAntillesIf I get interesting results from this I may have to write up a paper on an avatars demeanor's effect on user reactions in internet forums.00:30
zakkmlooking for a TI-83/8400:30
milhousezakkm: ah right, sorry00:30
zakkmoh there we go lol00:31
zakkmfound it00:31
GeneralAntillesIt was slow last time I tried it. :(00:31
* GeneralAntilles likes his TI-8900:31
zakkmoh Ti89/9200:31
zakkmits slow?00:31
andre__i can offer a TI-9200:31
lcuk2any advance on ti-92, going once00:32
lcuk2going twice00:32
lcuk2ok thats as cheesy as GeneralAntilles's grin00:32
GeneralAntillesWe had so much fun with the TI-83 in middle school00:32
GeneralAntillesSomebody reprogrammed a monster fighting game with the names of all of the teachers one time. <_<00:33
Juhazpuny toys, go HP-48!00:33
zakkmoh, how come i cant get rtcomm ?00:33
zakkmmissing dependencies00:33
zakkmis there a rtcomm repository or something00:34
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JamieBennettwhy does canola clean up also remove carman?00:35
GeneralAntillesDoes it?00:35
andre__zakkm, yepp: Collabora00:35
GeneralAntillesWishes Nokia would get the rtcomm stuff into Extras-devel already.00:35
milhouseI had one of these when I was at school! :)
andre__remove the typo first, though00:35
JamieBennettinstalled carman, installed canola clean up, ran canola cleanup, installed canola, no carman00:36
* zakkm wonders if hes the only one here still in school ( highschool that is )00:36
lcuk2omg + star trek trailer00:36
jagernotonce again i appear with my audio synth for your perusal...features in this version: stereo rhythms...please check out
zakkmandre_ : link didnt work ;p00:36
jagernotyour comments welcome.00:36
andre__zakkm, depends on definition of school... i'm still a university student :-P00:36
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, maybe when it purges EFL?00:36
qwerty12_N800zakkm, nope ;). but it's my last year anyway00:36
GeneralAntillesjagernot, Extras-devel! :D00:37
JamieBennettmaybe? Something common is there that completely blasts carman00:37
jagernotgen: how do i add to extras devel?00:37
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, maybe harass etrunko.00:37
infobotrumour has it, upload-extras is
GeneralAntillesjagernot ^00:37
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: Done00:37
jagernotok will do that..if anybody could check it out (including you General) that will be nice :)00:38
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zakkmwhats the difference between " nokia chat " and rtcomm?00:44
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SargunIs there any way to put my device in host mode USB and charge at the same time? Without modifying cables.00:46
GeneralAntillesPlug in the charger and an OTG adaptor?00:47
milhouseYes, no USB charging on N8x000:48
SargunThis is not for an N810 :-/00:48
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milhouseSpeaking of which, I hate microUSB charging - I do hope Nokia don't go the route of charging only through a microUSB port on the next device and then hide the port behind a kick stand...00:48
milhouseSargun: Sorry, thought you were zakkm, I misread. What device is it?00:49
SargunI need to pump power into the miniUSB-b port.00:49
Sargunand also use it in host mode00:49
milhouseI've no idea, sorry00:49
GeneralAntillesSargun, an OpenMoko channel would probably know better. :)00:50
milhouseWouldn't you be better iff asking on the openmoko channel?00:50
SargunIt's a hardware question...00:50
infobotmilhouse meant: Wouldn't you be better off asking on the openmoko channel?00:50
zakkmwhats oepnmoko?00:50
milhouseopen source hardware/software phone00:50
milhousemobile phone00:50
zakkmwhat does it have to do with maemo?00:50
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qwerty12_N800And I think the openmoko guys know more about the hardware then us00:51
milhousezakkm: nothing :)00:51
SargunWell, they're busy00:51
Sargunyou guys are just bright00:51
milhouseyou're new around here, huh?00:51
zakkmnot quite, but i have a bad memory so that plays it role00:52
milhousezakkm: I meant Sargun, he doesn't know us very well (joke)00:52
zakkmoh sorry00:53
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Stskeepsthe weirdest things laying about in svn .. "delicious-applet00:54
GeneralAntillesIn stage?00:54
GeneralAntillesCompile it? :D00:54
Stskeeps"Example statusbar applet for storing bookmarks in del.icio.us00:54
qwerty12_N800yerga's already done it00:54
GeneralAntillesWhere is yerga?00:54
GeneralAntillesI need to ask him a question. . . .00:54
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: wouldnt it be nice if that worked... hmm i need ___ .. *BAM* appears00:58
GeneralAntillesYou don't even know.00:58
GeneralAntillesAlthough it has happened before.00:59
zakkmi was thinking more reality, not irc00:59
GeneralAntillesWell, I never need people in reality. :P01:00
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Mouser810Has anyone else had problems with their headphone jack?  My device acts like headphones are always connected which overrides bluetooth audio and internal speakers.01:06
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testHi everybody, I've got a simple question.... I've installed maemo SDK 4.1.1 DIABLO in scratchbox on my ubunto Hardy Heron system. It works fine.01:56
testI've started OS2008 hildon in my Xephyr window with af_sb_init and it loads ok.... but there's one problem : I can't access internet... nor can I run a browser session... should that be possible from scratchbox ?? thanx01:57
Andy80hi test02:00
Andy80I've  a similar problem02:00
Andy80can you test if you can access internet from scratchbox, just using wget for example?02:00
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testsorry, I was eatin'.... ok, Andy80... yep, I've got internet access from Scratchbox (wget,...)02:06
Andy80same problem then!02:06
Andy80and I still don't know how to solve it02:06
testAndy80: it's internet access from OS2008 (after af_sb_init start) that doesn't kick in.. I don't know why02:06
Andy80we should post on maemo-developers mailing list02:07
GeneralAntillesIt's depressing when filing a new bug doesn't actually send an email to anybody @nokia. . . .02:09
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Andy80GeneralAntilles: well... if you post it on maemo-developers ML they should read it.... I think...02:12
GeneralAntillesAndy80, maemo-developers isn't the place to file bugs.02:12
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GeneralAntillesThat's what is for.02:12
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Andy80GeneralAntilles: yes, but.... fill it on, then announce it on mailing list...02:13
GeneralAntillesAndy80, it doesn't work like that. :)02:14
GeneralAntillesThat's what we like to call spam. ;)02:14
Andy80it's not spam.... if you submit a bug it's because you want to improve Maemo... I think it's related to the mailing list too....02:15
GeneralAntillesIt really isn't02:15
GeneralAntillesThe way it should work, is the appropriate Nokia engineers and product managers should be watching the bugzilla products and components they own and actioning bugs as appropriate02:15
GeneralAntillesbut they aren't.02:15
Andy80well, this is a clear "hole" in the maemo management.... you could blog about this and ask Nokia people to do something :)02:17
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GeneralAntillesYes, well, it's been being "worked on" since 2006
Andy80I'll vote for the bug02:24
andre__either vote or blame me :-P02:26
Stskeepsdeath to xephyr based emulation!02:27
* Stskeeps chants02:27
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GeneralAntillesandre__ -> /msg02:34
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Andy80GeneralAntilles: good email :)02:41
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testHi everybody, I'd like to know if anyone has ever gotten internet connectivity to work in the UI from scratchbox ?04:00
timelesshello world04:01
timelessanyone here have time to 'play'?04:01
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fred23Hi everybody, I'd like to know if anyone has ever gotten internet connectivity to work in the UI from scratchbox ?04:05
fred23I've installed Maemo SDK 4.1.1 DIABLO in scratchbox and everything seem to work fine... the only problem is : When I start the emulated version of OS2008 (X86 target) on the Xephyr server, with sb_af_init, I cannot access the web, nor can I start a new browse page with the browser... what's wrong ?04:07
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`0660fred23, i always had trouble with /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox environment04:28
`0660i'm not sure if it still applies04:29
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zetherooanyone having any success with getting Mapper to talk?07:02
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zetherooanyone around?07:30
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: you around?07:34
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zetherooanyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk?09:35
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zetherooanyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk?10:29
aquatixmorning all10:34
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lslarryre. ppl, can you tell me which application is usable for phonebook sync (like gnokii front-end)?10:51
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
zetherooanyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk?10:55
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zetherooso far I have only heard from one person who got flite to work in Mapper ...11:00
zetherooand that was with an N71011:00
zetherooI also tried getting it working on my N800 ... but nothing doing11:02
zetherooI also cannot find any documentation or helpful information on how to get it working11:02
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: Can i scp libgpsbt and libgpsmgr to
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: sorry, it's closed source and non-redistributable so we can't touch it for now11:17
Stskeepsas we're targetting a "free" generic platform11:17
Stskeepsit's alright though11:17
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Meiz_n810Maemo wiki says target is not to make completely-open-source os. But is it illegal to add non-free packages to repo?11:19
Stskeepsno, maemo reconstructed wiki page doesn't say it should be completely open source - it says the base system should be free, and vendors can add value-adding services/apps/etc on top11:20
Stskeepsand hardware support11:20
Stskeepsand yes, it would be illegal for us to redistribute nokia packages11:21
Stskeepsas in, the closed source ones11:21
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Meiz_n810i said: maemo wiki says target is NOT to make completely-open-source...11:22
Meiz_n810but  if we do not redistribute, only use =P11:22
Stskeepswe can do it in our own internal hacks but as soon as it leaves your tablet :P11:23
Stskeeps"The primary differences are 1) Ubuntu uses "armel" as the architecture where mojo uses "arm" "11:23
Stskeepsoh thank god11:23
Stskeepsand putting it in a repo constitutes redistribution, so :P that's why we have the local non-free repo on your tablet11:24
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: but what libgpsbt will be is that it's contrary to ideas of a generic platform a pervasive device likes GPS'es are not standardized on the platform :P11:26
Stskeepsand gah @ hildon-control panel and launchers :P11:28
Meiz_n810is dpkg-repack and then aupping in the repo illega redistributing11:28
Stskeepsbasically rule of thumb i use is, if there's a LICENSE or COPYING file indicating a gpl / bsd / etc license, and it's actually possible to get the source code without agreeing to a license agreement, it's good enough for now :P11:29
RST38hWait, wait, once it is GPL, you can actually put more conditions on getting the code???11:30
* RST38h can think of some REALLY GOOD conditions11:30
StskeepsRST38h: no, i've been in a fight with debian-legal on that, not again11:31
StskeepsMeiz_n810: recompiling control panel with nolauncher11:32
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: hildon-control-panel deps on osso-app-killer12:00
Stskeepsyeah, i'll get to that12:01
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Meiz_n810Advanced-backlight installed with no prob, will it start automatically with hildon?12:03
Stskeepsno clue, you may have to select it in applets12:03
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Meiz_n810i'll try  :)12:05
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Stskeepsmorning lcuk12:11
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Stskeepsmelmoth: try now12:17
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GAN800Vagalume, Maemo Mapper12:27
StskeepsMaemo Mapper is (sadly) out of the question, it depends on libgpsbt and libgpsmgr12:28
Stskeepswhich are closed source12:28
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RST38hCarman is not in Extras12:28
GAN800Have you stuck them on the closed source page?12:28
GAN800RST38h, yes it is.12:29
StskeepsGAN800: yeah, it's there already12:29
* RST38h checks12:29
StskeepsGAN800: the irony is libgpsbt used to be open source :P12:29
GAN800I'd've said Canola, but it's not open yet12:29
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Stskeepsyeah.. and we don't have python hildon just yert12:30
GAN800Vagalume should be really easy12:30
Stskeepsyeah, need to compile dsp stuff first12:31
Stskeepsthen it seems trivial12:31
Stskeepsor something.. hmm12:32
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RST38hCarman is in the Extras!12:32
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GAN800Coerce RST38h into compiling VGBA for it. :p12:34
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Stskeepshehe.. it'd run like hell since our X isn't well performing cos it doesn't do framebuffer updates yet12:36
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zetherooanyone here having any luck getting Maemo Mapper to talk?12:37
Stskeepszetheroo: that's the fourth time you ask :P try on ITT, i'm sure there's some12:37
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RST38hzetheroo: Theoretocally you only need to install Flite12:38
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RST38hPractically, neither speech nor navigation are usable without bending over12:38
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zetheroo RST38h: I have flight installed on both my N810 and N80012:42
zetheroo RST38h: flite12:42
zetherooStskeeps: ITT?12:43
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user__Stskeeps: have you found a way to make icons work?12:48
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Meiz_n810Control panel is not in the app-menu, if fact there is nothing.. Does it have something to do with icons?12:50
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: not yet, waiting for johnx12:58
JaffaBlimey #303 (24h clock) has been marked as "fixed"12:59
GAN800X-Fade, 'policy follows tools' is what they said13:00
lcukyes, it now correctly shows time in cubic 36 hour spans13:00
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GAN800So the policy update is dependent on h-a-m getting updated. . . .13:00
derfJaffa: HOORJ!13:01
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mik_after updating my n800 to diablo  maemo-pan won't work anymore for using the internet connection from my wm6 device13:10
mik_anybody knows that problem and has a workaround for me?13:10
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Stskeepssure as hell is bringing my buildbox to its knees13:12
GAN800libz is probably pretty nasty13:13
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Stskeepsyeah, zlibrary13:14
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, think it would help to get the policy people to say something?13:14
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: About what?13:15
GeneralAntillesThe category list changes for Diablo.13:15
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I guess it all depends on when it shows up in AM and when there is a SSU which includes it?13:16
GeneralAntillesWell, it would be unfortunate for the documentation to be wrong for the rest of Diablo's lifespan just because the dates didn't line up by a couple weeks. . . .13:16
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well Eero said that he didn't want to change the policy unless there were more additions on that wiki page?13:17
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X-FadeBut do we really have any other changes that should go in the document?13:17
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, well, Eero said wait for more changes (/me doesn't really know of any important ones), and Juha Koivisto came back with "policy will be updated when the tools are updated"13:20
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: It seems to me that either we are waiting on the tools or we are blocking ;)13:21
GeneralAntillesWell, unless you can round up some more changes. . . .13:22
* GeneralAntilles makes a note to handle the next issue like this on a public list.13:22
GeneralAntillesIf it's going to become impossible to change the Diablo documentation after this next update, then it seems like pushing the new list there shouldn't be dependent on the policy changing.13:23
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: There is no harm in using the new list.13:23
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Only benefits.13:24
GeneralAntillesWell, Jarmo seems to be saying they're not gonna use the new list if it's not in the policy.13:24
GeneralAntillesIf only all this had been wrapped up in the spring. ;)13:25
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i added advanced-backlight.desktop to both user and system statusbar.conf, and it now starts automatically :) files13:26
Meiz_n810files at the end is accident13:26
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Meiz_n810gonna try if it works now13:27
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johnxStskeeps, waiting for which package?13:32
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Stskeepsjohnx: i can't seem to get icons on the install13:34
braddjust a quick scratchbox question.. Can I substitute using xnest instead of xephyr?13:34
Stskeepsjohnx: on hildon13:34
Meiz_n810A-B works great!13:34
StskeepsMeiz_n810: usual screenshot :P (xwd?)13:34
Meiz_n810how can i take scrshot?13:34
Meiz_n810with the same comman i start X13:34
johnxStskeeps, h-i-m? h-d? which package?13:35
Meiz_n810i'm at school now...13:35
johnxbradd, yeah, that would probably work fine13:35
Stskeepsjohnx: hildon desktop13:35
Stskeepsi have hildon-icons installed and all13:36
johnxdidn't I upload that?13:36
Stskeepsi'm confused now :P13:36
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braddjohnx, thanks13:36
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Stskeepsi have the same problem as the first scrshot you showed me of h-d :P13:37
johnxthe one from my zaurus? or the one with no icons?13:37
Stskeepsthe one with no icons13:38
johnxaaah, right, one more thing to fix then :)13:38
Stskeepswhat's the underlying problem then? :P13:39
johnxjust need to add the path to the icon theme into the gtk theme13:39
* Stskeeps wasn't able to solve it13:39
johnxsince the names don't match13:39
johnxsorry, figured it out and never documented it. oops13:40
johnxgtk-icon-theme-name = "hildon"13:41
johnxadd ^that^ somewhere in /usr/share/themes/plankton/gtk-2.0/gtkrc13:41
Stskeepsso we need to recompile plankton, k13:41
johnxI guess that's reasonable in the short term13:41
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Meiz_n810it was all about icons, menu is now full of stuff!13:49
suihkulokkijohnx: do you have a nicele package plankton?13:50
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johnxsuihkulokki, well, it seems to *work* but I think it's just a straight checkout and dpkg-buildpackage from Nokia's svn repo13:53
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suihkulokkipkg-maemo is missing it atm13:53
Stskeepsplankton is CC 3.0 now i think13:54
johnxsuihkulokki, oh, thanks for the packaging job for hildon-desktop 2.0.7. hildon-desktop 2.0.19 works fine with that packaging applied to it13:55
SummeliI have some path problems in scratchbox: the platform is searchin libs under /target/DIABLO_X86/usr/lib instead of /usr/lib13:55
Stskeepsright, i'm off to class13:57
Stskeepsfbreader is compiling13:58
johnx'later Stskeeps. I'll beat my head against h-i-m again for a while13:58
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Meiz_n810crap quality pic about m-r with a-b:
Meiz_n810screen rotation (surprise!) kills xorg14:04
johnxheh :)14:04
johnxyou have a rotation enabled kernel installed?14:05
johnxsuihkulokki, did you ever take a look at suihkulokki? is it worth using or not?14:06
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suihkulokkiam I worth using?14:07
johnxchange that second one to maemo-launcher14:07
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suihkulokkimaemo-launcher is usefull when you start getting many hildon apps on your system14:08
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johnxback in a couple minutes14:11
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slapinhi, all!15:22
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slapinis there some kernel gurus there?15:22
slapinI'd like to ask for directions on tty ldisc changes in kernels >2.6.2515:22
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slapinofftopic question, but i was unable to find answers elsewhere. I just need some code sample of ldisc implementation with new kernel15:23
StsN800johnx, we need to consider where we base from now ubuntu ports to armel..15:27
johnxyou mean in terms of the base distro part or the maemo part?15:28
StsN800base i guess15:29
StsN800in next poc iteration obviously15:29
StsN800where we get beagleboards building for us15:29
StsN800ubuntu arm targets armv5-vfp15:30
johnxgrr...that's really not the most useful thing ever15:30
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johnxwell it's not optimized completely for the n8x0 or beagle/pandora15:31
johnxbut it also won't run on the zaurus15:31
StsN800mojo has the benefit it targets multiple, but has arch arm15:33
StsN800and is sponsored by nokia15:33
johnxI wonder a little about the future of mojo15:34
StsN800but if maemo-r goes in full swing there would be benefit to atleast armv6 and non-vfp15:35
StsN800while ubuntu takes care of armv5el-vfp15:35
suihkulokkiStsN800, ubuntu doesn't target armv5-vfp15:35
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johnxah, what are they targetting? plain armv5?15:35
StsN800hm, thought i just read that15:36
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suihkulokkiit's armv5t with armv6/armv7/vfp/neon optimized libraries where there is significant performance gain.15:36
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suihkulokkiyou can allways join #ubuntu-arm and ask :)15:37
StsN800is there size benefits to v5 vs v6 for instance?15:38
StsN800i just might15:38
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johnxwell if you avoid vfp you can use thumb, IIRC15:38
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StsN800anyway, when we've been through this first iteration we will set a proper builder up so we can rebase easily15:40
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johnxis there a beagleboard to do it full time or will it be on qemu somewhere?15:40
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StsN800yeah, i'll set up connected at my work15:42
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StsN800we'd probably see i386 builds too though15:43
StsN800as we have a atom board to target15:44
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johnxinteresting. looks like ubuntu uses matchbox-keyboard in ubuntu-mobile15:47
StsN800the question is really kbd icon vs click in text field15:50
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* StsN801 wonders idly if his city is being evacuated or something16:44
disco_stuStsN801: why ?16:44
StsN801never seen that amount of passengers and cars.. or ive managed to steer clear of the real rush hour the 5 years ive lived here..16:45
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disco_stuwhere u live ?16:46
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disco_stuwhic means..16:48
infobotdisco_stu meant: wich means..16:48
disco_stunice place for sure16:48
matrxanyone experiencing file manager no longer detecting smb shares on an n810?  still works on the n800, both running diablo16:49
disco_stumatrx: i experienced that for some time.. but then i flashed to diablo and now seems to work16:50
disco_stuother thing is, if the share is password protected filemanager wont show it16:51
matrxyeah, looks like it's reflash time16:52
matrxthis will be my first reflash since diablo was released, i was getting spoiled16:53
disco_stumatrx: maybe it is not neccesary.. it maybe something within your network16:53
disco_stus/maybe/may be/16:54
infobotdisco_stu meant: matrx: may be it is not neccesary.. it maybe something within your network16:54
matrxnaw, it still works on the n800 running diablo16:54
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bobbytekAnyone familiar with Nokia N810 Mozilla browser?17:03
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bobbytekI'm trying to get a 3gp video playing inside the browser.  Is that possible?17:05
johnxprobably not17:05
johnxcan you just download it?17:05
bobbytekwell, we have a web page we are trying to display in the browser17:06
bobbytekWe were hoping that this could embed a 3gp video17:06
bobbytekRight now it just opens with the media player17:06
johnxI think that's the best you can do17:06
johnxyou could embed flash video but it would be slow17:06
bobbytekWell, embedding flash does work17:06
bobbytekAre you familiar with the device?17:07
johnxI have one, yes17:07
bobbytekCan't find much in the way of documentation17:07
bobbytekI notice the browser supports "components"17:08
johnxit comes with an instruction manual I think, and other than that there is for advanced DIY type stuff17:08
bobbytekDon't know where I can get these components, and how to install them though :/17:08
johnxyes, it supports normal netscape-stype plugins I believe17:08
infobotjohnx meant: yes, it supports normal netscape-style plugins I believe17:08
bobbytekHmm, you think there might be a plugin for 3gp?17:08
johnxprobably not. maybe it would be possible to port mplayer-plugin?17:09
bobbytekhmm, I'm not that saavy :)17:09
johnxyou could maybe find someone to do it for you :)17:11
bobbytek"He also thinks that Fennec will be unique because Firefox developers will be able to build add-ons for it."17:12
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bobbytekwell, maybe if it comes to that :)17:12
johnxwell, add-on is kind of a different thing than plug-in, but microb (the included browser) supports both17:13
johnxcompoents = plugins17:13
johnxaddons = extensions17:13
bobbytekI thought it was fennec?17:13
johnxthe included browser is "microb"17:13
bobbytekoh, that article seemed to suggest otherwise17:13
johnxalso using the mozilla engine, but with a UI from Nokia17:13
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johnxright, there's two "mozilla-based" browsers17:14
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johnxfor the n8x017:14
johnxthe one included on the device is the mozilla rendering engine (gecko) with a Nokia UI17:14
johnxfennec is now available for the device, which is gecko with a customized UI from Mozilla17:15
bobbytekso the n810 is mircob not fennec?17:15
johnxwell you could run either one17:15
johnxmicrob is what comes pre-installed17:15
bobbytekI'm not sure which one I have :)17:15
bobbytekoh, okay17:15
johnxdo you remember installing fennec? if not then you don't have it17:16
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bobbytekI have only looked at one this morning when my boss dropped it on my desk :)17:16
bobbytek"most Firefox plugins require porting and repackaging before they can be used with MicroB"17:17
johnxmight not be too bad17:17
bobbytekwell, I might have to yet17:17
bobbytekThanks for your help johnx :)17:17
bobbytekMuch appreciated17:17
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braddis /scratchbox/users/me/scratchbox supposed to be a link?17:23
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bradd /scratchbox/login is failing on 'if [ ! -d $SANDBOX/scratchbox/tools/bin ];'. my /scratchbox/users/bradd/scratchbox is an empty directory17:25
mgedminbradd: it's supposed to be a directory17:26
mgedminwhere /scratchbox is bind-mounted so it's visible inside the chroot17:26
braddoh. I made my /scratchbox a symlink.. this is a problem i take it?17:27
mgedmincould be17:27
mgedminI've no idea how that impacts mount --bind /scratchbox /scratchbox/users/me/scratchbox17:28
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braddmgedmin, when I do the bind outside of the chroot, it seems to bind correctly17:33
mgedminthen it shouldn't be a problem17:33
braddam I forgetting to start something else? after a fresh reboot I should just '/scratchbox/login' correct?17:33
mgedminIIRC there's a scratchbox init.d script somewhere in /etc/init.d/17:34
mgedminthat should be started17:34
mgedminif not, you may need to manually do 'sudo sbox_ctl start' once after boot17:34
braddmgedmin, ok, that works. I'm adding sbox_ctl start to my startup scripts17:37
* Stskeeps yawns17:39
Stskeepsjohnx: still beating your head at h-i-m?17:41
johnxyup, got it built without maemo-launcher at least thanks to qwerty1217:42
r2d2rogershello Stskeeps17:43
Stskeepslo r2d2rogers17:44
braddcould a missing "keybindings.rc" stop hildon-desktop from starting?17:44
Stskeepsjohnx: alright17:44
r2d2rogersI still havn't been able to boot my cloned to MMC maemo since I started playing with deblet17:44
Stskeepswas this 770 or n8x0?17:45
r2d2rogersis there a way to get more info on the error?17:45
Stskeepsand OS2006/07HE/08HE?17:45
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Stskeepscan i see your /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item? they should be in initfs17:45
r2d2rogersyup be a minute17:46
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Stskeepsright now i'm not fiddling much with deblet since we're having some amazing results with a proof of concept of "Maemo Reconstructed"17:47
Stskeepswhich may pay off to 770s too17:47
r2d2rogersI like to hear about that <G>17:47
r2d2rogersI did get teh bluetooth working17:47
* RST38h moos17:48
Stskeepsmoo, RST38h17:48
RST38hqwerty,sts: hello17:48
qwerty12hi RST38h17:48
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r2d2rogers Stskeeps17:52
johnxhallo RST38h :D17:53
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RST38hjohnx: Heya. Looks like you won't have your wish about dragging plot in SlideRule after all17:53
r2d2rogersI know the last line is wrong, Stskeeps, but I was reading forum posts and trying to figure it out17:53
johnxRST38h, too difficult?17:53
RST38hjohnx: I have found how to report motion events (with lcuk's help) but it takes enormous processing resources in GTK17:54
johnxreally? I wonder how other things are doing it smoothly...17:54
RST38hAnd less expensive mode (offered by GTK+) does not seem to work17:54
RST38hjohnx: Well, I have to redraw the damn plot...17:54
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: remove _LINUXRC line totally17:55
johnxwell there's that I guess17:55
Stskeepsfor the boot menu item17:55
Stskeepsfor maemo17:55
RST38hjohnx: And it is not cheap, even partially because I have to do tearing analysis17:55
RST38hjohnx: I.e. 1/x gets torn at x=017:55
r2d2rogersStskeeps: ok, done17:56
r2d2rogersall else looks right?17:56
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: and then refresh_bootmenu.d i guess17:56
Stskeepsyeah, decently17:56
r2d2rogersI gues it has to be something on the cloned mmc then17:56
r2d2rogerswill dig there17:56
Stskeepswell if you had linuxrc line at all, it definately wouldn't boot :)17:57
r2d2rogersit doesn't work either way17:57
Stskeepsdid you update it in initfs?17:57
r2d2rogersso the issue seems to be with the OS on the MMC17:57
r2d2rogersI have before and I will again after I look at the stuff on the card17:58
r2d2rogersthanks for your help17:59
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* Stskeeps ponders why he now he has -some- icons18:01
johnxbecause sdk-icons isn't complete?18:02
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Stskeepsi'm not getting your >> for instance18:03
suihkulokkiiirc you need a mix of hicolor and sdk icons18:03
Stskeepsany of the dists that has done the hard work? :P18:03
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GeneralAntillesAlright, I think karma is officially stuck again. <_<18:08
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RST38hkarma whore!18:11
RST38hBTW, I sitll do not see itt thanks section in my profile18:12
RST38hIt is counted into the total, seemingly, but not shown18:12
GeneralAntillesI'm missing mediawiki edits.18:12
RST38hIt is random - a week ago I missed other sections as well18:12
Stskeepsheh, funny about the resemblance between tablets and star trek PADDs.. :P18:13
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Stskeepsn900 will probably be released at same time as the new star trek movie.. that would be cheesy18:14
* RST38h thinks StarTrek pad is what we will end up with anyway18:14
Stskeepstrue, a bit too early18:14
RST38hSo why wriggle? :)18:14
StskeepsRST38h: yeah.. that's my vision of tablets too really18:14
RST38hThe UI may end up being a bit different but not by much18:15
Stskeepswe have LCARS already.. :P18:15
RST38hI will only be satisfied when we get real deathrays though18:15
Stskeepsi mean ..
Stskeepswhich reminds me i should bury myself in one of the star trek series again sometime18:16
* RST38h prefers Dr Who18:16
johnxgah, I always thought the PADDs looked horribly unusable18:16
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RST38hjohnx: They have been designed by professional ergonomics people though18:17
johnxprofessional just means they get paid18:17
mgedminif I hold that thing with both hands, what do I use to manipulate things displayed on it?18:17
mgedminwhere's the integrated kickstand?18:17
RST38hmgedmin: Do you REALLY want this question answered?18:17
RST38hWell, you are probably supposed to place it into a console niche and use it there18:18
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GeneralAntillesI always found it funny that they insisted on passing the things around like paper reports18:18
GeneralAntillesrather than having a personal unit that has access to all data.18:18
mavhcI think that's because it's a tv show, from the 80s18:18
mavhcor 60s18:19
RST38hGeneral: Remember, that was *pre* networking18:19
johnxlate 80s18:19
RST38hPADD appeared in the Next Generation18:19
RST38hThat is late 80s. RS232, at best coaxial Ethernet18:19
RST38hNo wireless. Maybe some inductive technology18:20
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johnxwhen were the first satellite phones again?18:20
RST38habout the same time but it is not the same thing18:20
mavhcthe display appeared in TNG, the device was in tos18:20
RST38hSoviet buses did have inductive communications (with little loop antennas installed at the bus stops) around that time18:21
RST38hBut I do not think this stuff was mainstream anywhere in the world18:21
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dmsupermanSo any news on a new n800/n810 successor yet?18:23
GeneralAntillesdmsuperman, OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA18:24
* qwerty12 says a massive thank you to "rafi"18:24
dmsupermanGeneralAntilles: I meant like an n900. I like the nokia line18:24
GeneralAntillesYes, like I said: OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA18:25
GeneralAntillesThat's the extent of what we know18:25
dmsupermanOh I see18:25
GeneralAntillescurrent speculations says it'll be released around Summer 200918:25
GeneralAntillesbased on the release schedule for the alpha and beta SDK18:25
johnxinfobot, n900 is OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later)18:26
infobotjohnx: okay18:26
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* Stskeeps wonders who else is marked as lead users at nokia since lcuk was on the list for a n900 :P18:28
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* Stskeeps continues fighting plankton18:30
Stskeeps(which is about just as fun irl as it is on tablets.)18:33
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johnxah the horrible plankton wars of 193418:36
qwerty12Plankton's ugly :P18:37
lardmanPlankton vs Barton & Beebe?18:37
hahlobitis it sure that n900 comes out?18:37
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johnxhahlobit, we know nokia is making something that will run maemo but isn't a phone. they haven't said anything else18:38
johnx"n900" is just what people outside nokia call it18:38
X-Fadejohnx: And it isn't an internet tablet either ;)18:39
johnxright, saw that much from ITT18:39
hahlobithas these tablets sell well?18:39
johnxyour marketing guy is realyl spilling the beans :P18:39
Stskeepsi guess he's real, but he's quite open mouthed18:40
* qwerty12 aint complaining18:40
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, that's Quim's boss.18:40
hahlobitthey pulled away ngage even many people liked it18:40
Stskeepsoh boy18:40
X-FadeHe knows what he is talking about, be sure about that ;)18:41
johnxyeah, what will all the side-talkers do now?18:41
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i guess that means less rumours :(18:41
Stskeepsand more facts.. rumours are more fun18:41
qwerty12hahlobit, N-gage lives on in the N-gage platform that runs on normal looking phones :P18:41
johnxjeez that thing was hideous18:42
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, think it'll be reasonable to mothball osv-c in favor of m-r in the medium-term?18:42
qwerty12johnx, mine lives in pieces :P18:42
johnxdefine medium term?18:43
hahlobitngagers waited accelerated wifi phone but got nothing18:43
GeneralAntilles1-3 months18:43
GeneralAntillesosv-c is a semi-positive spin on what sort of amounts to a dead platform18:43
GeneralAntillesm-r is a much more positive (if more complicated) new direction18:44
Stskeeps"The N-gage also suffered from a memory management issue causing a "White Screen of Death,"" heh18:44
qwerty12Stskeeps, really? Mine was overclocked and I never had a WSOD on it :/18:44
GeneralAntillesGiven limited resources and the inertia that's already behind m-r. ;)18:44
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hahlobitain't here any nokia people who could tell for sure about n90018:44
johnxwhat is osv-c again?18:44
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: if we can put the idea into more executive language and say we're not directly targeting fremantle, but harmattan maybe18:44
GeneralAntilleshahlobit, yeah, if they want to lose their jobs and get sued.18:45
lardmanhahlobit: I'm sure there are, but they wouldn;t remain employed for long...18:45
Stskeepsand fremantle as things that needs to be fixed ideally between alpha and beta of fremantle18:45
GeneralAntillesjohnx, m-r without the platform overhaul.18:45
johnxhas anyone stepped up to actualyl build it?18:45
GeneralAntillesjohnx, so far, no.18:45
johnxdo you think that will change?18:46
GeneralAntillesjott sorta dropped off the face of the planet after I started pushing the idea.18:46
GeneralAntillesSeems unlikely at this point18:46
GeneralAntillesand I'd rather see any effort that might go there put to m-r instead.18:46
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i'd like to wait until alpha SDK comes out to start really pushing18:46
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, fair enough.18:46
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hahlobitwould n900 got 3d accelerating?18:46
GeneralAntilleshahlobit, yes.18:47
johnxit's easier to stay off the public radar right now18:47
GeneralAntilleshahlobit, can decode 720p, too.18:47
lardmanwhat's the deal with the n8x0 driver anyway....?18:47
Stskeepsjohnx: proof of concept yeah18:47
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and when we have actual practical and reasonable results or close to, a push is good18:47
GeneralAntillesjohnx, fair enough, but if you could think on it. ;)18:47
johnxGeneralAntilles, looking at osv-c, I'm not sure what it's really trying to solve18:48
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, Nokia's messed up idea of what the "OS" includes.18:49
johnxGeneralAntilles, so is this going to be a meta package installed after flashing? or a flashable image?18:49
GeneralAntillesBasically, an easy and clean way for users to start using all of the neat community hacks and open-source replacements for Nokia's stuff.18:49
GeneralAntillesI was planning on a side-grade from osv to osv-c on installed systems.18:50
GeneralAntillesIt's a lot of what m-r does, but without the platform revamp and much more limited in scope.18:50
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johnxin the short-medium term a quick package that replaces/provides osso-software-version-unlocked and depends on less stuff would make some sense I guess18:52
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: btw what was it sardine was supposed to be? i keep on finding references18:52
johnxit was supposed to be beta versions released as source only for people to play with18:52
johnxI guess no one picked up so it was canceled?18:52
Stskeepsit also seems a little like m-r though, though pushed from nokia's side18:52
Stskeepswith build scripts and everything18:53
johnxah, interesting18:53
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GeneralAntillesIt would've been useful if they had actually used it.18:53
johnxwell the idea being that anyone could use it18:53
GeneralAntillesBut it seemed like more of a half-cocked plan from a few Nokians rather than a real concerted effort.18:53
johnxI think the problem of an osv-c distro is that no one wants to pour their time into forking further from debuntu18:54
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: my current plan is that we finish this PoC, take the experiences into a plan to form a platform from18:54
Stskeepsand start building stuff and such18:54
GeneralAntillesjohnx, well, it isn't much more than changing the dependencies on a meta-package and playing with some other packages that'll be useful without osv-c anyway (like bootmenu)18:54
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and based on the experiences its a hope that we can start getting people more interested from nokia.. but we'll see18:57
johnxGeneralAntilles, in that case is there a real tangible advantage to lumping all the OSS pieces together vs just letting people install what they want?18:57
GeneralAntillesjohnx, makes stuff like rotation and bootmenu a lot easier18:57
GeneralAntillesas well as patched Hildon-* stuff18:57
qwerty12I could make a jffs2 image but I get the feeling that Nokia will merc me if I distribute it18:59
johnxqwerty12, nope. We've got qgil saying they won't19:00
johnxwant the link? :)19:00
qwerty12Yeah please :)19:00
Stskeepsdoes marketing trumph lawyers?19:00
johnxthe problem being SSUs19:00
johnxthat's what I wondered19:00
qwerty12johnx, how's the quest with hildon input method going? :/19:01
johnxqwerty12, well your second went great. :D19:01
qwerty12Cool :)19:02
johnxand I think it's coming down to missing libatk somehow O_o19:02
johnxor strace thinks so19:02
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johnxnm, I read it wrong19:04
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qwerty12Stskeeps, is 128 correct erasesize for rootfs too?19:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: i'm actually not sure, look what fanoush does?19:06
qwerty12fanoush uses 128 for initfs too19:06
qwerty12ah well, proc/mtd lists the same number for both rootfs & initfs19:06
johnxah, I do wonder :)19:07
* Stskeeps reads up on bzr19:08
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: "Maemo Reconstructed" is against trademark policy if we called something Maemo Reconstructed PoC, isn't it?19:14
johnxmame-o reconstructed?19:14
qwerty12Maeho Reconstructed19:14
johnxor is that maim?19:15
GeneralAntillesNo Nokia Bullshit19:15
johnx"some Nokia bullshit, where we couldn't be arsed to do something better"19:15
johnxkinda long though19:15
qwerty12|\/|@€|\/|0 Reconstructed19:15
Stskeepsjohnx: i'm thinking to use launchpad for next stage19:16
Stskeeps(is there any movement on collaboration task?)19:17
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, not really.19:17
GeneralAntillesFeel free to jump in, though.19:17
Stskeepsi did19:17
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i think we can use M-R for experimental collaboration too19:17
derfpǝʇɔnɹʇsuoɔǝɹ oɯǝɐɯ. See, it's not at the beginning anymore.19:17
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Stskeepshmm @
johnxwill that be a problem? I don't think we can re-distribute closed source stuff anyways19:21
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Stskeeps"As this seems to be in the Desktop area and a non-critical issue (hence by19:26
Stskeepsdefault a WONTFIX for Desktop as far as I understand"19:26
Stskeepshuh? :P19:26
johnxis that your pet bug?19:26
Stskeepsatleast eero suggested a sane thing19:27
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Stskeepswhich i hope gets adapted19:27
johnxso Desktop category is a WONTFIX by default?19:29
johnxthat totally won't lead to priority inflation :/19:30
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: review?19:34
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Stskeepsjohnx: i kinda wondered about that too, but at least it seems like eero saw the sanity of it19:35
qwerty12Cool, advanced-backlight seems not to require any extra dependencies ;)19:36
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, s/It is a/It is an/19:38
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, drop a space in there after Hildon between Hildon(19:38
Stskeepsguillem did a proper answer19:42
* Stskeeps is satisfied with that answer and that they reflected on it19:43
thopiekarCould someone please tell me how to fixx my problem with garage.maemo (SVN) and eclipse? When I use the "new-project" wizard it doesn't show me any folder on my svn... what can I do?19:48
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johnxlooks good19:53
johnxguess we're all big and official now :)19:53
GeneralAntillesbergie, bergie, bergie. . . .19:54
GeneralAntillesCapitalizing . . .19:54
Stskeepsjohnx: i think we'll branch the packages on stage probably19:56
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johnxand put some nice orig.tar.gz files into a proper debian source repo?19:57
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Stskeepsprobably yeah :P19:58
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Stskeepswell i'm reading a bit up onthis19:59
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lcukRST38h, have a mouseisbusy flag and only refresh 1/10 of the plot lines when in motion20:01
lcukStskeeps, i like the fact theres a list20:01
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Stskeepsjohnx: made an account yet?20:04
johnxnot yet20:04
johnxhang on :P20:04
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: yours worked so it looked correct and not the black shadow of death?20:06
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Meiz_n810what black shadow of death?20:08
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Stskeepsthe icons problem20:09
Stskeepsit looks like johnx's scrshot?20:09
Meiz_n810your new plankton theme worked with me20:09
johnxI'm finding out more about icons too20:09
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johnxwill sum it up in a sec20:09
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Meiz_n810before installing i dpkg -r hildon-theme-plankton and rm -r /usr/share/themes/plankton20:10
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johnxlooks like most (all?) of the icons in hildon-icons (/usr/share/icons/hildon) are actually part of the individual themes on os200820:11
Meiz_n810have you uploaded more scrshots, johnx?20:11
johnxMeiz_n810, nope20:12
johnxalso, the default gtk theme folder is linked to /usr/share/themes/default20:12
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johnxI think there might be some config file or variable pointing to the default theme as well20:12
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Meiz_n810matchbox seems to lag20:12
Meiz_n810hildon-control-panel appears to be small box in top corner...20:13
Stskeepsyeah, i had similar problem20:14
StskeepsMeiz_n810: we arent on the fastest X right now20:14
Stskeepscos of it not doing updates on its own20:14
Meiz_n810i remember u-m start-hildon script had more options in matchbox-line...20:15
hahlobitdoes these usb dvb sticks work in maemo if they work in pc-linux?20:16
qwerty12hahlobit, if dvb-h :
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hahlobitok thanks20:18
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Stskeepsflash count, 124mb20:19
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Stskeepsjohnx: is your home screen black with no window decorations too, and nothing on left side too? is it cos it's missing a background or?20:25
johnxnothing on the left side? you mean nothing is visible? or the panel isn't there?20:26
johnxalso, there should be the menu icon in the middle left20:26
Stskeepsyeah, there is20:26
Meiz_n810window decorations crash when i open the menu20:27
Stskeepsok, i guess it's just a lack of wallpaper20:27
johnxyeah, it's saying it can't find the wallpaper file20:27
johnxI didn't worry about it for now20:27
Stskeepsyeah, i just freaked, until i realized it was actually transparent20:28
Stskeepsneat photo20:28
johnxand there's the "two overlapping windows icon" visible on the middle left, correct?20:28
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johnxyeah, that is a really neat look. too bad that version of hildon-desktop apparently got nowhere20:32
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Stskeepsheh, ten bucks thats where the inspiration for netbooks came from..20:40
johnxwhich is funny because linux netbooks tend to have a much worse UI :)20:41
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johnxXomap installs just fine alongside Xorg, right?20:42
MeizirkkiWindow decorations crash immediately after clicking some app on menu20:43
Meizirkkibefore it they work20:43
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, think so20:44
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johnxnm, I guess all I need is the binary anyways20:44
GeneralAntillesjohnx, resolution independence is on the roadmap somewhere along the line.20:47
GeneralAntillesThough, actually, an m-r release with a hildon-desktop like that for netbooks would be pretty bitchin'.20:47
johnxyeah, a little sub-optimial with a mouse present I think20:48
GeneralAntillesIt looks really classy scaled up like that, though.20:48
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johnxit really does. I kinda miss plankton :)20:48
johnxI have my own GUI ideas though20:49
GeneralAntillesYeah, the new plankton leaves a lot to be desired. :(20:49
johnxI doubt I could convince anyone to code them though20:49
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i plan to build for i386 too at work :P20:49
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GeneralAntillesI really want a netbook with Hildon now. <_<20:50
lcukthe applications running on a desktop/mouse driven system wont feel right will they? what works on a 5cm screen scales up as big and dopey20:50
GeneralAntillesWell, scaling to 7" or 9" isn't that much.20:51
johnxscaling from touch to mouse is the one that gets you20:52
lcukyeah, kinetics with a mouse is wrong20:52
GeneralAntillesBut for a touchscreen netbook, maybe. . . .20:52
johnxI'll tell you a secret: touchscreen on a notebook form factor kinda sucks20:52
lcukmmmmmm touchscreen slates :)20:52
GeneralAntillesjohnx, yeah, I'll bet.20:53
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, made an half "osv" jffs2 image:
GeneralAntillesI should say, with one of those interesting, but impossible to build or sell screen rotating designs.20:53
lcukyeah johnx, it feels incomplete and is deffo a for the sake of it20:53
lcukjohnx, have you seen the eee desktop touchscreen model20:53
* GeneralAntilles still thinks touch on a desktop is rather retarded.20:53
johnxGeneralAntilles, you mean the fujitsu loox and the zaurus?20:53
lcukits a monitor replacement - all in one jobbie, but includes mouse and keyboard for normal use20:54
GeneralAntillesjohnx, yeah.20:54
johnxlcuk, nope, but I played with a touchsmart the other day20:54
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, hit the documentation and bundled media stuff?20:54
johnxwasn't all that bad actually. i can imagine writing notes on it while it's hanging on the wall, or maybe sitting at it like an eazel?20:54
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, This is just an N800 testing rootfs image. I could do it but it's kind of pointless at this stage imo#20:55
johnxthe problem with touch notebooks is two fold: 1) that you're writing on something upright 2) that the screen moves when you poke it20:55
lcukjohnx, i want to replace my current monitor with a touch, not for normal use, but as you say for extension activities, my tablet sits between keyboard and monitor and i keep wanting to extend my touch up20:55
johnxIMHO 2) is the killer, not 1)20:55
qwerty12I'll set up hrw's qemu emulation again tomorrow and test that image20:55
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johnxit would be nice to see decent sized slate20:57
lcukyeah johnx :) big brother20:57
johnxa convertible tablet is close, but definitely not thin and light20:58
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johnxpeople are really comfortable with the notebook layout though20:58
lcukdoesnt have to be as long as they are synced up, i can get things done on small one and use the additional space on the larger one to expand on ideas20:58
johnxbut *I* want thin and light :P20:59
* lcuk gives johnx a piece of paper and space age pencil20:59
johnxhow about a beagleboard with a 10" screen and make the rest batteries :)20:59
johnxahaha...I can actually imagine prototyping it in wood :)21:00
GeneralAntillesjohnx, a bit like trying to tap on an N800 with the kickstand out on a smooth surface? ;)21:00
lcukwell a large form factor omap would be desirable21:00
johnxGeneralAntilles, worse21:01
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johnxnot only does your notebook move, but the screen also tilts back21:01
GeneralAntillesWhat was that Magnum tablet that was on Engadget for April Fool's?21:01
lcuki hate that stand i cant even use it when its up21:01
lcukits only for watching21:01
* johnx loves his stand21:01
* lcuk hits johnx on the head with his wooden crate21:02
GeneralAntillesThe stand is pretty much the best thing ever invented.21:02
GeneralAntilles johnx21:02
johnxactually my 10" tablet prototype idea would be a close relative of the lcuk wooden n810 case21:02
lcukhahaha GeneralAntilles actually, there was a crackberry storm that size in the phone shop at weekend, jakey was pressing the buttons21:03
lcukjohnx, i want more tablet in that form factor, but i need a decent bezel still21:03
lcukGeneralAntilles, your picture still makes me laugh21:05
* qwerty12 likes it. It puts me under the impression that GeneralAntilles has a nice side :P21:05
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's more effective when you jump between the old and new.21:06
* GeneralAntilles pats qwerty12_N800 gently on the shoulder.21:07
GAN800lcuk, sadly I haven't yet collected any interesting data. ;)21:08
lcukits making a difference now, people the world over just wont argue with a guy who puts his laid face on the chan21:09
RST38hehlo again21:11
RST38hwhat's new and exciting?21:11
GeneralAntilleslcuk, maybe I'll start world peace? ;)21:11
lcuk<lcuk> RST38h, have a mouseisbusy flag and only refresh 1/10 of the plot lines when in motion21:12
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RST38hlcuk: aha21:14
RST38hlcuk: already have the flag. can't refresh 1/10 plot lines21:14
lcukwhy not?21:14
RST38hlcuk: it's not a bitmap21:15
RST38hhave to do computations on the fly *and* some symbolic analysis Mathematica-style21:15
lcukyeah, but just draw less detail.. ie instead of calulating 800 points only calc 1021:16
lcuk80 ^21:16
RST38hyes but it will look shitty =)21:17
lcukthen as soon as you have stopped it renders again21:17
lcukpeople will understand21:17
* GeneralAntilles takes another swing at
lcuk1/10 might be too much, just see if its worth a limit21:18
derfHmm, Carmn looks neat, but $170 for a BT OBD-II reader seems a bit steep.21:18
johnxcar stuff = expensive21:18
RST38hThere is one starting at $5721:18
johnxa real ODBII reader is a lot worse21:18
Meizirkkiwhat is the command i can take scr shots from console?21:18
GeneralAntillesderf, they discount them every so often21:18
GeneralAntillesSign up for their mailing list if you want to wait for a sale.21:18
johnxRST38h, oh the stories I could tell O_o21:19
derfWell, normally it is $200.21:19
RST38hlcuk: Anyway, I gave up for now. But the good thing is, I have made digit keys work without Fx21:19
GeneralAntillesIt could be cheaper to get the RS232 adaptor and then an serial to BT adaptor.21:19
lcukthat is a good thing indeed21:19
RST38hGeneral: Anything that *hangs* inside a car is a bad idea21:19
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RST38hWill get broken sooner or later21:19
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I routed mine up under the dash.21:20
GeneralAntillesThe port is right between the drivers knees21:20
* RST38h isn't that skillfull though. Would just plug the thing into ODB port under the glove box21:20
* mgedmin wondered for a while what debian's minimalistic shell had to do with routing21:20
zakkmis "tear" web browser any good?21:20
zakkmcompared to the builtin one21:20
GeneralAntillesI just disconnected it from the plastic and insinuated it into a wiring harness.21:21
Meizirkkiit is good, but i still prefer microb21:21
GeneralAntillesIt wasn't particularly difficult with my Camry.21:21
GeneralAntilleszakkm, it's early alpha21:21
GeneralAntillesMy dad's old Volvo had the port in the center console storage unit.21:21
* RST38h wouldn't do that to any of the three Camrys in his life21:21
lcukis this car diagnostics module bidirectional?21:21
zakkmtrying to find new things to tryout on my nokia ;p21:21
RST38hScary stuff21:21
lcukcan you feed stuff back to it?21:21
GeneralAntillesRST38h, do what?21:21
GeneralAntillesDisconnect a couple plastic clips?21:21
RST38hGeneral: Route stuff under the dashboard21:22
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GeneralAntillesWasn't particularly exciting.21:22
johnxRST38h, oh, you *need* a project car :)21:22
GeneralAntillesI stuck XLE foglights on my LE Camry, though, so maybe I'm atypical. :P21:22
* johnx replaces alternators in the rain, in the dark21:23
johnxahaha...then drives in the dark when they disconnect and short out :D21:23
lcuki might repalce my read lights with a pair of n8x0s21:23
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GeneralAntillesI <3 my crappy FWD car. :P
johnxnothing like suddenly having all the electrics and power equipment (sterring breaks) on your car die on a dark windy road21:24
GeneralAntillesjohnx, what, not manual steering? :P21:25
johnxwell it turned *into* manual un-boosted steering21:25
johnxI believe in *some* comforts :)21:25
lcukGeneralAntilles, im laughing at the picture comment21:25
lcukin the cool thread21:25
GeneralAntillesCool thread?21:26
johnxgah, I should add a real avatar to ITT, huh?21:27
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Ehehe21:27
GeneralAntillesjohnx, stupid grin!21:27
johnxgot one lined up :)21:27
johnxthe same21:27
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GeneralAntillesI should probably replace my Jaiku avatar, too.21:27
GeneralAntillesBut I just love those sunglasses.21:27
MyrttiJaiku ♥21:28
RST38hjohnx: Replacing headlights on an '84 Camry in freezing rain - will it qualify as a project?21:32
GeneralAntillesHeadlights or headlight bulbs? :P21:32
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RST38hheadlights, '84 camry had modular lights21:32
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Stskeepsjohnx: so - how do we go around m-r iteration 2? start "all over again", bzr branch a hildon package, bzr commit locally till it's done and compiling, bzr push to personal branch|team branch|project branch, hint builder boxes to build packages for the branch which then uploads to repo and adds?21:35
GeneralAntillesCreepy monkey21:36
lcukmonkey got fscked too21:37
lcukMyrtti, isnt jaiku just irc for web2.021:37
GeneralAntillesand lazy people21:37
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zakkmdo any of you guys use the stylus, or just use a thumb'/fingers ?21:38
GeneralAntillesI hardly ever use my stylus these days21:39
johnxeep backlog21:39
GeneralAntillesOnly for sketching21:39
johnxStskeeps, yes, that seems like a great workflow21:39
Myrttilcuk: don't mock it, I found a boyfriend just two months ago in Jaiku21:39
johnxRST38h, I mean a whole *car* that's a *project* :)21:39
lcukMyrtti, not knocking it at all :) im a member and use it etc21:39
johnxlcuk, it's for people who want some permanence to the record21:39
johnxzakkm, no stylus from the beginning21:39
lcukjohnx, not really any difference to now21:40
lcukeverything we are saying is in google21:40
johnxI think there's something more to it, think of it as a high pass filter built in, and a more specific topic21:40
Myrttiit's better than twitter and identica in that it does threads21:41
Myrttiand you can ignore the rss-feeds of others selectively21:41
lcukheh, it leaks information though (in a good way) the cross talk makes it interesting21:41
lcukfrom your personal irc channel it expands nicely21:41
Myrttithe leaking is configurable21:41
Myrttiyou can set yourself to private...21:42
Stskeepsjohnx: will also make it possible for people to easily contribute and so on i guess21:42
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lcuki really like the mauku integration :)21:43
Stskeepsjohnx: .. and if this doesn't have a great effect on nokia, we can always turn the project into being called Mer (ocean) :P21:43
Stskeeps.. or bitch, if told in danish..21:44
johnxnow that is finally a name I can really get behind21:44
Stskeepsor the direct translation, "More"21:45
lcukMyrtti, i hope you didnt mblog whilst on first date21:45
Myrttino, but he did take a picture of me looking at the present he gave me...21:46
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: any objections against M-R changing name to Mer? :>21:47
emma_goldsteinis there anyone running "labyrinth" on actual diablo (python 2.5.2) ? I got "importing gconf"-error21:47
lcukMyrtti, tsk tsk so was it the present that won your heart then21:48
Myrttilcuk: yeah, an O'Reilly Pocket Guide on vim (as I'm an emacs user) and he also flashed my N95 with new firmware as he had Windows laptop with Nokia Update tool and I run only Linux...21:48
johnxalso, it's a great onomatopoeia: "What should we call it?" "Uhm, Mer, I dunno."21:49
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i don't care much about the name =P21:49
Myrttiwhat can I say.21:49
lcukbut how on earth could you date a windows user :P21:49
Myrttilcuk: work laptop... he uses Gentoo and Mac in personal use21:49
StskeepsMyrtti: isn't giving an emacs user a guide on vim like challenging someone to a duel? ..21:49
lcukit seems to have worked21:50
MyrttiStskeeps: I actually need vim from time to time when I work on servers that don't have other editors.21:50
Myrttiso the pocket reference actually came in handy21:50
MyrttiI do have emacs one of course as well.21:50
lcukyou must have big pockets, or a mary poppins handbag21:51
Myrttiof course I have a huge handbag...21:52
lcukyou women are all the same, my missus just got a *bigger* bag, its like the frikkin tardis21:53
Stskeepsjohnx: <- this pretty much illustrates our fight with maemo/hildon..21:54
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solarion"you women are all the same"21:54
* solarion smacks lcuk until sense trickles in21:54
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GeneralAntillesDoes anybody else get absolutely massive text on wiki commons?21:55
Myrttilcuk: I keep my pocket guides in my laptop backpack, though21:55
solarionthat said, a tarids-back would be freakin' schweet21:55
lcukits ok, im used to gettin smacked about21:55
johnxYou hu-mans are all the same, you all have two legs! what's up with that?21:55
johnxStskeeps, I was thinking more like this:
* GeneralAntilles dies trying to coerce this wikitable into submission.21:55
* solarion will refrain from the humourous reply that just about flew from his fingertips21:55
qwerty12_N800solarion, yer, getting smacked is common in the north, lcuk don't mind :p21:55
Stskeepsjohnx: haha21:56
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah.. that quaifies as a "watch out for us" :P21:57
zakkmdoes the theme maker work on mac?21:58
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johnxit should21:59
qwerty12_N800yes, it's a java app (i assume you are talking about konttori's one)21:59
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Stskeepsjohnx: so, from bottom we start with glib and gtk, deblet svn packages (boot and such), i guess, and i get a build beagle set up22:10
_786soulGot a small question. How can I disable the onboard wifi in my n810 to plug in and use an external one I'll connect through USB?22:10
johnxStskeeps, sounds ok22:11
johnxI am still trying to track down this freakin' h-i-m problem22:11
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Stskeeps*nod* maybe it would help when it's not a hacked up platform i guess ;)22:14
Stskeepsi wonder why the heck control panel acts weird though22:14
johnxI'm worried that it's something in gtk2.1222:14
johnxapparently the java guys ran into something that triggers a similar message22:14
johnxjava using gtk to display that is22:15
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johnxsapwood sure causes me a lot of pain22:18
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Stskeepsthat looks odd, maybe X relays wrong depth?22:21
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johnxI tried it in xephyr with the same result22:21
cars__Hi guys.  I'm having a problem using ssh to login to or from the n810 on my LAN.  I have generated and shared the appropriate keys, but it says it can't resolve the hostname (name or service not known).  How do I solve this? Do I have to make the server discoverable somehow, or relax the firewall permissions?  I'd perfer to ssh both to and from the n810, but mostly use the n810 as a client.22:21
johnxI can't test it in xomap as xomap seems to return pressure events causing hildon-input-method to think it should launch the thumboard22:22
Stskeepstslib conflict maybe22:22
johnxcars__, try using the IP address directly instead of the hostname22:22
johnxanyways, can't think any more. going to sleep22:24
johnxI'll have my revenge tomorrow sapwood / h-i-m *shakes fist*22:24
StskeepsSAPWOOOOD!. or something22:24
johnxexactly :D22:25
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johnxI think it might just be some flux in sapwood at the moment22:29
johnx<- lied about going to bed22:29
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Stskeepsthere were sapwood updates so maybe a recompile is in order22:30
johnxah, good, I'll do that tomorrow22:30
* johnx really sleeps22:30
aquatixjohnx: nn22:30
GeneralAntillesMore lies22:30
GeneralAntillesI bet he's gonna go brush his teeth first.22:31
* aquatix bets too22:31
aquatixmight have to do with his alcohol breath though ;)22:31
disco_stuwhere does johnx live?22:31
GeneralAntillesIn some fake timezone he made up.22:32
aquatixat his home22:32
aquatixyeah, gtm+johnx22:32
Stskeepsright now hes sortof around russia or finland i guess, timezone wise22:32
aquatixhe's drifting west22:32
GeneralAntillesAren't we all.22:32
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, he always goes to sleep early22:32
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, Japan. ;)22:33
aquatix21:32:57 [freenode]        [CTCP] | Got TIME reply from johnx: Wed Nov 19 05:32:5722:33
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aquatixdisco_stu: define `early' ;)22:33
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disco_stui go to sleep normally at 3 am22:33
* aquatix very boring at about 23:3022:34
disco_stuand now it is 5pm22:34
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Stskeepsaquatix: jees22:34
aquatixStskeeps: otherwise i crash my car into something when driving to work the next day22:34
Stskeepswas referring to his 5am go to sleep22:35
Stskeepsif i did that, i would be sleeping atleast 12 hours after22:35
user__could someone make transparent keyboard for maemo ?22:35
GeneralAntillesuser__, there are a couple floating around22:35
cars__johnx, Thanks.  That works.  :)22:35
aquatixStskeeps: ah :P22:35
GeneralAntillesBut we're a little slow to do real translucency.22:35
aquatixyeah, me too22:35
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disco_stui installed an irc bouncer, so you'll be seeing me online 24/722:37
user__how about video out ?  i didnt hear any thing new from those guys from bochum22:37
GeneralAntillesuser__, VNC or something similar22:38
aquatixdisco_stu: /me just does irssi in a screen session22:38
* GeneralAntilles typically uses irssi proxy.22:38
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aquatixit's more convenient for me to use irssi as client too22:38
disco_stuplus i can switch fron pc and tablet without you notice it22:38
* aquatix too ;)22:39
aquatixhell, i can even irc from my phone22:39
disco_stuaquatix, i dont keep a pc on22:39
* aquatix has a server :)22:39
lcukdisco_stu, thats really good news, i installed an ignore device today you i cannot see you 24/7 :P22:39
user__vnc ? ;/  i was thinking about something to connect n800 to tv like i do with itouch22:39
GeneralAntillesuser__, it doesn't have video out.22:39
disco_stuso i put the bouncer on my router22:39
GeneralAntillesuser__, unless you're really, really good at soldering BGAs and writing kernel drivers.22:40
lcukdisco_stu, watch out for memory buffer sizes22:40
disco_stulcuk, :)22:40
disco_stulcuk, not a problem22:41
user__i now ;/ that nokia dont have but those guys from nokia labs bochum ?  show movie were they use  tablet without vnc22:41
user__general im not as good22:42
lcukive seen people go to the moon22:42
GeneralAntillesuser__, that was effectively VNC22:42
GeneralAntillesIt wasn't really a hardware solution.22:42
user__;/ thats bad  ;/22:43
lcukthis was the sync thing wasnt it gen22:43
lcukummm doofer thingy22:43
* lcuk turns up a blank22:43
GeneralAntillesThere's a machine connected to the TV, it wasn't just straight tablet-to-TV.22:43
user__thanks for help anyway22:43
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GeneralAntillesyerga, ping.22:44
GeneralAntillesI'm loving the fact that you actually remain logged in on now. . . .22:45
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lcuk"Maemo DP team blog"  that sounds wrong22:47
GeneralAntillesdevelopment platform22:47
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lcuki know what it means, it still sounds wrong22:47
GeneralAntillesWhich, interestingly, includes the website.22:47
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* disco_stu sees some latin nicknames22:49
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Stskeepsdp, where? :P22:56
Stskeepsas in blog, not deep penetration, qwerty12_N80022:56
* aquatix sees some filthy minds22:57
lcukclose your browser then22:57
qwerty12_N800dbl, then whatever floats your boat then lcuk :P22:57
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, what can i use for auto pop3 checking22:57
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disco_stulike an applet.. just to know there is mail.. not modest downloading it22:59
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zakkmisnt there mnotify ?22:59
zakkmapplet to check pop3 ?22:59
zakkmlike google notifier for mac / linux.22:59
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zakkmdisco_stu: like that?22:59
disco_stuzakkm, i think that was the name23:00
disco_stui'll look for it23:00
zakkmit was in uhh23:00
zakkmi have extras and extras-devel.. and it was on my nokia23:00
zakkmi dont know what repo it belongs to though23:00
yergaGeneralAntilles, pong!23:01
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disco_stuzakkm, i downloaded it,  i think is in extras23:02
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disco_stuzakkm, thx23:03
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disco_stui need to check if it is safe23:03
zakkmoh i dont know, just stumpled upon it.. i like to app manager search through stuff23:04
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disco_stui mean.. how it sends my info through the net23:07
* lcuk giggles23:07
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disco_stuwell.. see you later. i'll head to the gym23:08
* Meiz_n810 is messing the offical ubuntu port for a while23:10
Stskeepswhere did you find it at?23:10
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Stskeepsdebootstrapping it?23:11
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Stskeepsi guess we're safe no matter what just as long as there's a ubuntu upstream23:12
Stskeepswe're not really relying on it being mojo or ubuntu23:12
Meiz_n810just trying (like always)23:12
Stskeepshehe, that's what experimentation is23:13
Meiz_n810but the good thing is: deblet repo can be added, and packages needed for booting can be installed23:15
Meiz_n810like they can be in m-r23:15
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Stskeepsyeah, true23:16
Meiz_n810i believe i'll get m-r back to my tablet very soon. Results of my first try with the offical ubuntu was: apt-get update fails in chroot23:17
Stskeepswhat does it say?23:18
Stskeepsyou use install_mr or raw debootstrap? (without minbase i believe?)23:18
Meiz_n810it just failed to connect23:18
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Stskeepscopy in resolv.conf?23:19
Stskeepsto etc23:19
Meiz_n810my first try was with .tgz from:
Meiz_n810now trying to debootstrap with gutsy:s script23:21
Meiz_n810as suggested by persia at #ubuntu-arm23:22
zakkmsounds like maemo reconstruct is getting far in progress23:22
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Stskeepsmm, first iteration23:23
Stskeepsmost frustrating, but next one is more structured23:23
Stskeepsgoal was to have hildon base going in 110-120mb flash, and we have, so there's reasons to go on with it23:24
zakkmso it works ?23:27
zakkmjust not simple?23:27
Stskeepsand this was without not trying too hard to strip down23:27
Stskeepsit needs to be cleaned up and some functionality added on top, but yeah, it is feasible so far23:27
zakkmfull hildon?23:27
Stskeepsit is a hildon ui, yeah23:28
Stskeepsbut we still have a lot to go23:28
zakkmfaster than actual maemo?23:28
Stskeepssystemui, mce, et23:28
zakkmless ram usage?23:28
Stskeepsfaster is hard to evaluate cos our X server isn't acting perfectly yet :)23:28
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Stskeepsbut the goal was if it was possible to build a small enough system23:29
Stskeepseven if it was a minimal ubuntu base, and not some embedded system23:29
zakkmthat looks really nice :P23:29
zakkmsmall enough system? like storage wise or minimal ?23:29
zakkmminimal apps*23:30
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Stskeepsit fits in 124mb flash, there's 250 in your device23:30
Stskeepsthere's 300 mb of uncompressed data there23:30
zakkmisnt maemo smaller?23:31
Stskeepsbut we haven't begun to -really- strip down yet23:31
Stskeepsand this can both run LXDE, KDE, etc if you wanted it to23:31
Stskeepswithout having to spend years porting stuff for it23:32
zakkmill go with fluxbox ;p23:32
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: saw ?23:32
zakkmis there a way to mimic a rightclick?23:32
Stskeepstap and hold? :P23:32
zakkmsounds very good then :)23:33
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smackpotatois it possible to mount a 16gb usb dongle on a 77023:34
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smackpotatodo i have to load drivers, do i have to mount by hand23:35
zakkmmount by hand :)23:35
zakkm( i dunno.. )23:35
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smackpotatoI have the hardware and also host mode23:36
zakkmyour 770 didnt wsod yet?23:37
smackpotatolol the  touch went but it wa warrenty23:38
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smackpotatoi use  a 810 nowadays23:38
zakkmmy old 770 wsod within like 2 weeks of buying23:38
zakkmand it came no warranty23:38
smackpotatoand you still buy nokia products23:39
zakkmof course23:39
zakkmcheap of course23:40
RST38hCarman failed installing :((23:40
zakkmmy 800 was only $145 Canadian23:40
smackpotatowith karma?23:40
zakkmhow new of a car do you need for carman to work?23:40
qwerty12_N800RST38h, pastebin your log :P23:40
RST38hqwerty: There was no log - App Manager just showed a message "Installation Failed"23:41
zakkmim too young to own a car but it would be cool to go into other ppls cars and be like check this out :)! :D23:41
zakkmapp manager has a log ;p23:41
zakkmin the menu at the top23:41
zakkmtools - log, or something23:41
RST38hThe carman icon did appear in the menu but when I run carman it does not let me do anything23:41
qwerty12_N800RST38h, get it from the menu after that message23:41
smackpotatoim sure you need to buy  the bluetooth interface23:41
RST38h(ok, I do not have OBD BT device)23:41
RST38hwill have to try reintalling23:41
RST38hThe ODB thingie is not necessary for Carman operation, right? I will still show maps, etc?23:42
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GeneralAntillesyerga, is GPLv2 acceptable for your translation?23:50
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yeah, I saw.23:50
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yergaGeneralAntilles, yes, of course.23:52
yergait was only some words23:52
GeneralAntillesyerga, yeah, just making sure. ;)23:52
GeneralAntillesI don't think anybody will have any issues.23:52
GeneralAntillesBut better to cover the bases and not end up shipping translations and having somebody object afterwards.23:52
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