IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-11-10

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lardmanwho's clobbered this page?
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JaffaBroken cos of the server move?00:56
JaffaAh. Perhaps not.00:56
lcuki was the last to modify it on 2nd nov00:57
lardman is apparently the latest version00:57
lcuk(diff) (hist) . . Task:PIM‎; 19:47 . . (-33) . . lcuk (Talk | contribs) (→General/shared features:  )00:57
lcukbut all modifications are showing like this00:57
lcukits just that page as well00:58
lcuki wasnt aware there was a way to remove a template from a page00:58
lardmanyeah, I was wondering about that00:58
lcukperhaps this is a slip from outside our control00:58
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protoyo people00:58
lardmanwell let's just blame lcuk as he did the last edit hey? ;)00:58
lcuksomeone looking in the database from the backend and screwed something up and this is the wiki software failure mode00:58
lcuk"this error should not be seen"00:58
lcukhey - you really think i would admit i was last editor if i'd goosed it :P ( i looked here btw )00:59
lcukits right at the bottom00:59
lcukdiffs are showing01:01
lcukit feels like this is the wikisoftare complaining about a missing node?01:02
lcukdo we have the source?01:02
lcukis this midgard?01:02
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lcukahhh, its MediaWiki  1.12.001:04
lcuk2008-10-02: 1.13.2, 1.12.1 released ;)01:04
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lcukoooer, that was for a security update as well01:04
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GAN800smokey from Tremulous?01:23
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lardmanGAN800: you see the stuff earlier about the PIM page? Any thoughts?01:31
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GAN800lardman, where?01:55
lardmanexactly an hour ago01:55
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GAN800where != when. :P01:55
lardmansorry, thought you meant where in the logs01:56
GAN800An hour ago here in IRC?01:57
lardmanyes, I asked why its sole contents are now "crap..."01:57
GAN800They're not01:57
GAN800That's Squid crapping out01:57
GAN800Works ok now01:58
lardmanah ok, still crap for me ;)01:58
lardmannot the most useful of error messages I've got to say01:59
GAN800Yeah. :/02:00
GAN800Squid really shouldn't be on for the wiko anyway.02:00
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GAN800Hi, Navi. :)02:02
NaviNavi? Where?02:02
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GAN800Hello, disco_stu02:02
disco_stusomeone with backlight problems ?02:02
disco_stui just found in mine :(02:03
GAN800backlight problems?02:04
disco_stuwell.. my n800's screen has a verticarl rectangle in the center of the screen, that is dimmer than the rest of the screen02:05
GAN800center? bizarre02:05
disco_stuits a perfect rectangle02:05
disco_stui'm taking a pic02:06
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disco_stuGAN800: there you go02:10
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lardmanwhat type of backlight is it?02:12
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lardmanlooks like a strip has failed, or is on the way?02:12
disco_stuhope it doesnt get worse02:13
disco_stucause im in argentina, and here there is no tech service02:14
lcukchange to a dark theme so its not as noticable?02:14
disco_stuin the dark and extreme white it is not noticeable02:14
lardmanmust be summer there too, so no need for the backlight ;)02:14
lardmanhmm, enough looking at random crap on the internet, time to go to bed02:19
lardmannight all, till the morrow02:19
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lcukits broken02:45
qolethanks, you just verified the opposite...02:46
lcukhow you doin02:46
qolegetting by...02:47
lcukahhh, is that secret code for "need more absinthe"02:47
qoleI'm thankful nothing I'm responsible for  is broken02:47
lcukyeah, that sounds ominous enough thou02:48
qoleAfter a release, there's a week of emergencies02:48
qoletwo weeks of mop-up02:48
lcukheh, i know that one ;)02:49
lcukjust getting back into the swing after the summit02:49
qoleand another two weeks of random WTF questions02:49
qoleThe summit seems like last year already.02:50
lcukit does :(02:50
lcukareyou gearing up for xmas now02:51
lcuktracy has bought most things already02:52
lcukits super strange cos we dont normally so early02:52
qoleI think I'm going to do a maemo post about using the tablet like a laptop... without knowing how to gain root02:52
lcukin what way do you mean?02:53
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lcukqole, i think simply using their 810 like a laptop is good enough reason to write another post :D02:57
qoleHaven't started thinking about Christmas, just finished editing our Hallowe'en video:
lcukheh qole02:59
qoleI'd like to set up a hypothetical situation where someone gets a Word doc as an e-mail attachment...02:59
qolehm, even better, maybe a powerpoint presentation03:00
lcukis your wife wearing a wig or is that her natural color?03:00
qolethen the person procedes to open the attachment with OpenOffice03:01
lcukcool :D03:02
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qoleoh yeah I guess I just posted a link to my family Hallowe'en video on a publically logged IRC channel... d'oh.03:02
Proteousthe bigest DOH is uploading a private family link to google video...03:03
lcukyeah, but its on a publically accessible server03:03
lcukyou could remove and reup it with a different url03:04
qoleit isn't searchable, so theoretically, until now, nobody would have found it...03:05
qolejust for anyone reading these logs, it's nothing interesting, just my 3 year old going trick or treating for the first time03:06
lcukhow much absynthe have you had tonight? :P03:07
qoleand don't go heh like I'm lying or something, now everyone's going to want to see it03:07
qoleit isn't even dinner time here on the west coast of North America03:07
* lcuk didnt think you were lyin or anyfink :$03:08
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bef0rdI just saw it to check if you were lying03:09
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bef0rdhehe, kidding, nice video though03:10
lcukyour little one is so much more advanced than jacob, hes a bit behind - catching up though :)03:11
qoleShe's got her daddy's gift of the gab03:11
lcukyeah, luke was the same, walking and talkin before 1 basically, but jake is 6 now and hes very delicate03:12
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jagernothi im working on a sound synth: ; pleased to know your thoughts03:15
jagernotyep lcuk03:17
lcukim not downloading a random file called h03:17
lcukbut your p/p project sounds VERY interesting03:17
jagernothmm ok03:17
lcukhave you seen liqbase03:17
jagernotthanks lcuk...03:17
jagernotwill see now03:17
lcukive got a load of particle systems in mind and spend a great amount of time doing small apps like your /p/03:19
lcukare you using windows over there?03:19
qoleaaanyway, I'd like to showcase DBus Switchboard03:19
qoleshow how you can associate any file type with any application03:20
jagernotlcuk: that text scroll is fast03:20
lcukqole, go for it! anything which helps users feel at home would be perfect03:20
jagernotpls check out my synth...i have a couple questions03:20
lcukjagernot, the synth is only one tiny fraction, the startup starfield is 2000 pseudo3d stars in realtime03:21
lcuki mean the text scroll sorry03:21
jagernotyeah i noticed that star field03:22
jagernotcan i see your code?.. :)03:22
lcukyes, its all open03:22
jagernotwhere where where03:22
lcukon garage03:22
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lcukwatch the video of the screen in use03:22
jagernotyeah i saw it on youtube03:22
lcukit does more justice than an empty install ;)03:22
jagernotnice work03:22
lcuktheres a more thorough runthrough on - my presentation at the recent summit03:23
qolejagernot: Is there a better link you can give us?03:23
jagernotwell guys im genuine..pls check out my website
bef0rdhey lcuk, just wondering, how can I get the sketches exported to SVG like ?03:23
jagernotim trying to port some of my synth
jagernotto n81003:24
jagernoti named the file 'h' cos its easy to type from shell03:25
lcukbef0rd, i will be releasing a new version in a couple of weeks.  im in the middle of some rearranging and shifting to a database for things, but part of what i want is proper svg export03:25
qolejagernot: you name your projects with a single letter??03:25
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jagernotno i will call it boxar03:25
jagernotbut for testing03:25
qoleI guess it's a pc program?03:25
jagernotim doing a very tedious way of developing03:26
lcukjagernot, are you in windows?03:26
qolenot a tablet program?03:26
jagernotno its a tablet program03:26
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jagernotn810 program03:26
lcukno, i mean now - are you typing from windows? or linux?03:26
jagernoti have the scratchbox, then copy to internal card03:26
jagernotthen type the app name from shell03:26
jagernotim on linux03:26
jargonany admins here? is not working - all i get is a page w/ the word 'crap..' :)03:26
jagernoti dont use windows03:26
lcukjargon, ahhh, lardman noticed that for one page earlier this evening03:27
lcuki thought it might be a database corruption and the code "crap.." is coming out of mediawiki, it sounds more likely03:27
lcukjagernot, damn i was gonna show you something03:27
jargonlcuk, ok, i'm seeing a google cache - maybe i can get what i want done w/ that -03:28
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bef0rdlcuk, I see, thanks!03:28
qolejagernot: synth is VERY COOL03:28
jagernothehe thanks qole for trying..just the beginning03:29
GAN800lcuk, it's Squid03:30
jargonlcuk, interesting , the link is working now...03:30
qoleyes, it would be neat to set the notes or something03:30
GAN800Caching daemon is crapping out.03:30
lcukjagernot, is ==
jagernotnot quite03:31
lcukwhats it wrote in?03:31
jagernotdin is c++03:31
lcukand h?03:32
jagernoth is c03:32
jagernotits a n810 program if its not clear03:32
qolejagernot: my wife just told me to turn it down :)03:32
jagernotso u can try it03:32
lcuki am..03:32
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qoleif you hit too many notes too quickly, there's some weird interference stuff going on...03:33
lcukwhats the graphics in use? is it native x?03:33
jagernotas i said im  still trying to work it using pulse waves which distort03:33
jagernotyes qole03:33
jagernotno gdk03:33
lcukqole, interference is fascinating :) something to be tamed ;)03:33
jagernotqole: thats right, im not happy about that..will fix it..think its because of the pulse waves im using03:33
qolestill, very sweet, nice to just play random stuff, you've set it up so it doesn't sound bad even just being totally random03:33
jagernotqole: and why did ur wife ask u to turn it down03:34
jagernotyes qole..its a pentatonic scale so whatever u play will sound in tune :D03:34
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jagernoteach row is 1 octave03:34
jagernot5 rows03:34
qoleI had it too loud and was playing it in the middle of the kitchen03:34
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qoleI'm just standing here in the kitchen chatting on my N80003:35
qoledrinking afternoon coffee03:35
lcukaren;t nokias fun :)03:36
jagernotmy wife asks me to turn the volume down all the time lol03:36
qolethe MOST fun. Evar.03:36
lcukjagernot, well i have to say, you have impressed me :)03:36
jagernotso have u lcuk ;)03:36
qolejagernot: your synth is very nifty, but your naming scheme isn't the best ;)03:37
lcukagreed qole03:37
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lcukjagernote :)03:37
jagernoti was thinking of calling it boxar03:38
jagernotbox guitar03:38
qoleOne early feature I'd like to see is fullscreen. If you go fullscreen, the boxes either get bigger or there are more boxes (full octave)03:38
lcukcall it whatever you like, but think people will have to install and remember what its called03:38
jagernotit will bcome boxar qole and hopefully u wont remember the bad days03:38
jagernothow do i go full screen..i want to03:38
jagernot2 things..i want to draw on the screen as its the background....and go full screen.03:39
jagernotright now i do idle function and it messes up the audio03:39
qoleI don't know how to do it programmatically, but I use wmctrl and xbindkeys to do it03:39
jagernotso i stopped drawing while playing so the boxes are empty03:39
qoleI'm just a hacker not a programmer03:40
lcukif you need to idle it sounds like your code is in the wrong place, you might be better with threading or changing where you process things03:40
jagernotmy audio is rendered in a thread03:41
jagernothow are u doing ur scrolling?03:41
jagernotthe braking03:41
qoleI'm planning to put together a little hack package that will let you hit a key combo to fullscreen any tablet app, and make a pop-up keyboard available for all apps03:41
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lcukis that any x11 app qole?03:42
jagernothow do u go full screen lcuk?03:42
lcukjager, ive taken a lateral step and used the Xv YUV video mode - its the only method which allows fullscreen tearfree rendering03:42
jagernothey i want that!03:42
lcukfullscreen is a parameter of the XV library and x11 window03:42
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jagernotbasically the idea is to light up the buttons as you play them03:43
lcuki can choose to be fullscreen or not (but that throws things out)03:43
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lcukand fade as required?03:43
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qolelcuk: any app that can be fullscreened with wmctrl03:43
lcukqole, i meant the keyboards03:44
lcukit wouldnt work for lb03:44
jagernotyep lcuk03:44
jagernoteach note will light up and fade03:44
jagernoti have already done in opengl version on my laptop03:44
jagernotits nice to look at gives good feedback03:44
qolelcuk: just tried it, I can make liqbase windowed :)03:44
jagernoti can do it in idle loop but that is messing up the audio thread03:44
lcukheh qole!  but did you notice that it was still taking 800*480 and shrinking it?!03:45
lcukonly newest version automatically adapts03:45
qoleit is very weird, because liqbase grabs the whole touchscreen, even though it is windowed...03:45
lcukyeah, thats because of the xsp library03:46
lcuki should really stop that if i ever push none fullscreen03:46
qoleand yes, it looks like it is squished fullscreen03:46
lcukbut im not so bothered for now, its not a user option03:46
jagernotlcuk...what should i do..? :)03:47
lcuki dunno jager, i dont know how you are currently doing it03:47
jagernoti use gdk03:47
jagernothave drawn the boxes on expose_event03:47
jagernotand trap button_press_event and motion_notify_event03:48
jagernoti tried idle function to update the buttons but that affects the audio rendering...breaks03:48
lcuki dunno how gtk works, do you have a paint event03:48
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jagernotneither do i b4 2 days :)03:49
jagernotcan i post a paint event ?03:49
jagernotor get out of that main loop03:49
lcuki dunno, maybe in your mouse event you simply need to indicate you want to render03:50
qoleMPlayer can be windowed, but video disappears03:50
qoleonly audio03:50
lcukthen in the paint event (if there is one) you actually draw the boxes in the correct state03:51
lcukare you sure qole? i thought it was fine in windowsed03:51
lcukyeah, im watchign anna abreu now03:52
jagernotlcuk: i originally used the example code for using pressure sensitive touchscreen data.03:52
jagernotthat didnt use gdk03:52
jagernotused X calls03:52
jagernotdo u know how to map the touchscreen coordinates to screen coordinates (800x480)03:53
jagernotcos the values are not straight forward to map03:53
jagernotthat example was drawing circles based on pressure but it was putting the circles at the wrong place03:54
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qolelcuk: just reporting what happens when I try windowing it03:54
lcukxsp library is uncalibrated03:54
lcukyeah qole, surprised ppl are hacking :$03:54
lcukits a nice feeling :)03:55
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jagernotis it possible to get calibrated data?03:58
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qoleI think mplayer works fine windowed, if you start it that way from the command line, but it doesn't handle being windowed on-the-fly03:58
jagernotlcuk where can i find your code?04:00
lcukjagernot, i never founda way, i just recalbrated the equation it gives and ive not heard of any problems so far04:00
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lcukgarage project liqbase04:00
jagernotcant read .deb file04:01
jagernotoh ok04:01
lcukits a bit out of date, but theres nothing drastic - if you consider using anything let me know ill give you a hand04:02
qoleI *wish* other people would start using lcuk's code to add some of the neat features to their programs.04:02
lcukqole, i wish i didnt need any of it04:02
lcukbut we need the features04:03
jagernotyeah im looking to make my synth really hot04:03
jagernotplucking based on pressure04:03
qoleI'd like to see liqGL, a software OpenGL renderer that renders to the YUV overlay04:03
jagernotyeah me too04:04
qoleI saw an iPhone app that lets you play beautiful ambient music with the touchscreen, wherever you touch the screen it causes a visual ripple effect04:04
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qoleanother blog about Bloom:
qoleThat's what the iPhone's got04:11
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jagernotqole thanks04:16
jagernotbut you will see that boxar will be better ;)04:17
jagernotyou can specify scale patterns, arpeggios etc...vaporware now but..04:17
lcukjagernot, i have to go sleep now, but get in touch with me tomorrow
qoleYou gotta get a big name to be involved. See if Bono Vox can put his name on it.04:19
jagernoti dont need a big name04:20
jagernotthis is free software04:20
lcukjagernot, watch the video..04:20
jagernotyes lcuk04:20
jagernotwhere r u in uk lcuk? im in uk too04:21
lcukwhere bouts?04:21
lcuksorry lol tired04:21
qolelcuk: that video doesn't play on mplayer04:21
jagernotwheres the code lcuk please04:21
qolejust shows a single frame04:21
jagernoti want that!04:21
lcukthat was 15 minutes with basically the same code, contact me tomorrow and we will see how best to use it04:22
lcuksame code as svn04:22
jagernotwe should04:22
jagernotwhere do i start reading ur code04:22
jagernotwhich file04:22
lcukummmmm errr04:23
qolelcuk: just downloaded it and played it, it works that way04:24
qoledoesn't stream properly :)04:24
qolenice effect04:24
qolewow, 15 mb on that second one04:25
lcukthat ones nice for ideas ;)04:26
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lcukjagernot, im too tired tonight to go through, just have a look.  newer modules created which use liqtile.h and have ->handler* event handlers  are best04:27
jagernotok see u 2morrow04:27
lcukmk_micro.c should be there, its the baseline framework for a gui window, sorry theres no docs :$ i write as i need to04:27
qolethere needs to be a liqbase team. lcuk makes new stuff, someone else puts it into useful apps.04:27
lcukyes i need to be off and away from trunk04:28
lcukanyway, gnite lads :)04:28
qolelcuk is the artist who makes the pretty baubles, he shouldn't be forced to actually make useful apps04:28
qoleit slows you down from making more pretty things04:29
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qoleDinner time, I'll sign off too04:32
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Meizirkkianybody knows what is depmod08:55
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tank-mandepmod -- program to generate modules.dep and map files.08:59
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Meizirkkiwhere can i get it?09:04
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camel_liuhi, everybody!09:35
camel_liuCan I play .swf using gstreamer in maemo?09:35
camel_liuIs there a plugin for libswfdec?09:35
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camel_liuI'll try GStreamer Bad Plugins 0.1009:44
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Khertan_n810Hi !10:03
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Khertan_n810Hi !10:37
citylightscan anyone tell me10:37
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citylightsi can't edit the application menu10:37
citylightsto set the program order10:38
citylightsmy .desktop file was destroied10:38
Khertan_n810you don t edit it with navigation control panel ?10:39
citylightson thr left the button with boxs. the one that shows all application on my handheld10:39
citylightsi cant edit it with panels from th control panel10:40
Khertan_n810yep ?10:41
Khertan_n810you can t drag application ?10:41
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: Is there something that automatically installs packages that are listed in your .txt files?11:26
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StskeepsMeizirkki: only a long chain of unix commands :P12:08
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lardmanAny council members about?12:23
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lardmanX-Fade: ping12:25
X-Fadelardman: pong12:25
lardmanYesterday squid was "crapping out" on the wiki12:25
lardmanthe General was wondering if squid is necessary for the wiki12:25
lardmanstill doing it for me here anyway:
X-FadeNo the squid is not needed. It is a side effect of how it was configured for the old situation.12:26
lardmanuseful error message ;) "crap.."12:26
X-FadeThe server should be reconfigured.12:26
lardmanah fair enough, just thought I'd mention it12:26
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X-FadeIt is already on the agenda.12:27
X-FadeSo I hope it will be done soon ;)12:27
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robtaylordamnit, wrong window =)12:46
Stskeepsthis isn't an android phone, you know12:46
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pupnik810eep, opp, orp13:06
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pupnik810hmmmmmmmmmmm  aaaggggaaaaiiiinnn  sooooo laaagggggeeddddd?13:08
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Stskeepsheh, poor pupnik810. at my dorm network we are capable of having 100mbit/s between each residence, but the provider has limited it to 200kb/s for dubious reasons13:10
pupnik81049 second ping13:11
Stskeepsneat :P13:11
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notcoolbuthothi, does anybody know if eclipse Europa is capable of updating the makefiles and the other build-related stuff when you add a class to a maemo project ?14:17
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lardmandoes anyone actually have an n95/n81 that they could do some GPS comparisons with?14:22
lardmanyou'll need an n810 too14:22
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lardmanor would Nokia like to lend me one to do some testing with?14:22
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X-Fadelardman: What do you want to test?14:28
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lardmangps chipset performance14:33
X-FadeAh, to get a baseline..14:33
X-FadeBut you would be testing antenna performance, probably..14:33
lardmanyes pretty much14:34
lardmanand I'd like to grab agps data and rule that out too14:34
lardmanjust to finally lay this to rest14:34
X-FadeAny idea how you would capture the data from the phone?14:37
lardmanyeah, I've dug out a couple of apps14:37
lardmanin the bug iirc, let me find the post #14:38
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notcoolbuthotdoes anyone know how to make a new project for maemo with auto-managed makefile in eclipse? so that any new class source files added will be taken into account and will be present in the makefile ?14:57
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notcoolbuthotor put in another way.. if I make a maemo template with eclipse, how can I add a new class in such a way that when I compile things it will be taken into account?14:59
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cars__Hi guys, I have two issues: First, Maemopad+ suddenly comes up blank - all my data is gone even though it was saved.  What is the default location foe maemopad's data, and does anyone have suggestions for possible recovery of the data?  Second, my internal speakers are no longer functioning.  It's as if the device has muted them because it thinks there are headphones plugged in the speakers work intermittently if I put headphones15:00
cars__slightly into the jack.15:00
X-Fadenotcoolbuthot: Did you look at Pluthon?
cars__The possible recovery of the data is the more important issue at the moment.15:02
X-Fadenotcoolbuthot: Or esxbox if you use C/C++?
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infobotX-Fade meant: notcoolbuthot: Or esbox if you use C/C++?
notcoolbuthotX-Fade: I am using ESBox plugin and I can run templates both on the emulator and on the device via SSH, I also make modifications to the templates and they work, but what I am interested in is how can I add a class to one of those templates, or to the maemo empty project, in such way that before running it I won't have to manualy change the Makefile or autogen or config or that building stuff15:08
X-Fadenotcoolbuthot: I haven't used eclipse myself, but can't you add your files to the project, so it will include them automatically?15:09
notcoolbuthotno, when I add the files it doesn't automaticaly generate new building files, and the compiler does not take them into account15:10
X-FadeThere must be an option to regenerate those files. I really can't imagine that you have to manually hack on your makefile and autotools files.15:11
Stskeepscars__: somewhere in /home/user definately..15:13
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lcukmental note: bacon  ribs are not bacon, they are like beggin strips15:24
cars__thanks Stskeeps.15:28
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MeizirkkiYou are doing great work with maemo-recontrtucted :)15:30
MeizirkkiAre you going to add compiled packages to m-r repository soon?15:31
Stskeepseventually when i get bored enough to tinker with rerepro15:31
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Stskeepsjust really looking forward to getting hildon going on it15:34
Stskeepsso we can show off some things15:34
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MeizirkkiI lied when i said that i will keep my roofs small ;)15:37
Meizirkkii tried to get ubuntu mobile going with the new kourou15:38
Stskeepsit's fine, that's my job to see if we can squeeze it15:38
Meizirkkiyou have some u-m packages at
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Meizirkkii tried to install these, but still missing some depends15:38
Stskeepsyeah, built some of them for deblet at one point15:38
Stskeepsi don't expect u-m to fit in 250mb flash :P15:38
MeizirkkiI don't think it is -that- big...15:39
Stskeepswe'll see, i guess15:39
Stskeepswhy on fucking earth does hildon-thumbnail require -vala- to combine?15:40
Meizirkkidon't know... ;)15:40
Stskeepsi mean, come on15:40
Meizirkkiokay, even if ubuntu-mobile fits in flash, there will be no space to install anything else...15:41
Stskeepshehe, yeah15:41
Stskeepsbut being able to install U-M interface when cloned to SD is okay15:41
hahlobitis there ubuntu for tablets too?15:41
Meizirkkiit does not work 100%15:42
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MeizirkkiI'll try if i can get flash working... then mobile-basic-flash...15:42
Meizirkkikourou has too much missing depends...15:43
hahlobitdeblet and maemo only working distros?15:44
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Stskeepsdeblet, maemo, mamona, .. slackware i think someone did too, ..15:45
Stskeepsand we're working on a experimental maemo, where it's designed to be a future version of maemo :P15:46
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Stskeeps(non-nokia people)15:46
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lcukStskeeps, how did the lecture go15:50
Stskeepslcuk: kid next door ran around, jumping, screaming until 3-4am last night15:51
lcukwhat were you doing next door till that later?15:52
lcuklate ^15:52
Stskeepswell i could obviously hear the kid through the walls and floor .. :P15:52
Stskeepsand i hadn't made myself a proper dinner so i was hungry => totally dead in the morning :P15:52
Stskeepsso taking a sick day off15:53
lcuki suppose the dog ate your homework as well :P15:53
Stskeepsdidn't have any to hand in15:53
lcukheh, im only yanking your chain15:53
lcukhave you won any battles this morning then15:53
jumpulain soviet it industry, homework eats your dog15:54
lcukie managed to fit bootable maemo onto a floppy?15:54
Stskeepshehe. maybe a 120mb floppy15:54
Stskeepsno, just compiling packages today15:54
dnearyhey ho15:54
lcukits a start, "please insert disk #98 to ocntinue installation"15:54
lcukhiya dave15:55
lcukcrapola, back later15:55
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Meizirkkiwhat the hell?16:15
Meizirkkirm: No not found16:15
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Meizirkki*not found16:15
Stskeepsyou're having about as good a day as me it seems16:16
Meizirkki/bin/sh: not found16:16
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* GAN800 pulls his hair out over 3844 and 384516:16
GAN800What the hell in qgil thinking?16:16
infobotGAN800 meant: What the hell is qgil thinking?16:16
StskeepsMeizirkki: your maybe?16:17
Meizirkkiit looks like i just destroyed my ubuntu16:17
Meizirkkithere is no /bin/sh !16:17
GAN800Can somebody maybe put together some patches for it at least?16:17
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StskeepsMeizirkki: desktop one?16:18
Meizirkkino, tablet16:18
X-FadeGAN800: In the end it is Marius' call. And he doesn't seem unreasonable or unwilling to me ;)16:18
Meizirkkiokay, i'm gonna start all over again ;)16:18
Stskeepswhat'd you do that caused it?16:19
Meizirkkii don't know16:19
Meizirkkitherer IS /bin/sh16:19
Meizirkkichroot says not found16:19
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mgedminMeizirkki: you're missing a dynamic library16:20
mgedminor the linker16:20
mgedminin your chroot16:21
mgedminthat's not going to fix anything16:21
Meizirkkiit might fix16:21
Meizirkkiyou don't know what have i done to my tablet ;)16:22
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Meizirkkiokay it did not fix...16:23
Juhazof course not.16:23
Meizirkkiit worked fine about minute ago16:23
MeizirkkiWhat should i do?16:24
Juhaz/lib/ --list /bin/sh16:24
Meizirkkiin maemo?16:25
Meizirkkior via telnet?16:25
Meizirkkiin maemo: here: /lib/ Not found16:26
Stskeepschroot /path /lib/ --list /bin/sh16:26
slapinMeizirkki, try .316:26
slapinMeizirkki, if everything else fails16:26
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StskeepsMeizirkki: atleast you didn't come close to maiming your maemo install like i did the other day :P16:28
Meizirkki_n810#/home/user # /lib/ --list /bin/sh16:28
Meizirkki_n810paste problem again16:28
Meizirkki_n810The website?16:29
Meizirkki_n810where i can paste?16:29
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
lardmanthat what you're after?16:29
Meizirkki_n810yep, thanks16:30
JaffaGAN800: doh16:30
Juhazwhat Stskeeps said. that's not from the chroot, is it?16:32
StskeepsMeizirkki: chroot /path /lib/ --list /bin/sh16:33
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Stskeepsany other ld-linux files there?16:33
Stskeepsif not, that's why your sys doesn't work :P16:34
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Meizirkkithere is no files...16:35
Stskeepsin /lib?16:35
Stskeepswell, that's why your sys doesn't work, time to start over :P16:35
Meizirkki_n810maemos /lib or m-r:s /lib?16:36
Stskeepsm-r's :P16:36
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Meizirkkii have been starting over about 10 times, but that does not matter, because i have nothing very important going on and thins is bun anyway ;)16:37
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Meizirkkilooking forward to test it :)16:40
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* Stskeeps admits to himself he has -no- clue how maemo's l10n packages are structured.17:11
Stskeepsah. there.17:14
suihkulokkiit's not really as complicated as it seems17:14
Stskeepsyeah, i got confused by the -public source packages and the ones in trunk17:15
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camel_liuhi, everyone!17:54
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camel_liuWhen I build swfdec-0.8.2 in scratchbox, I met: -ldl /usr/lib/ -pthread17:55
camel_liu//usr/lib/ undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open'17:55
camel_liuCould anyone give a help?17:56
GAN800You didn't get the Debian forwarding thing either, eh, andre__?17:57
camel_liuIn order to install swfdec, I have to download, configure, build and install so many package, and used a whole night.17:57
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melmothcamel_liu, most probably some -L or -I option lacking17:58
melmothpkg-config should help you17:58
dnearyHi all17:58
camel_liuhildon_g_scanner_cache_open is obviously relative to maemo.17:59
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camel_liuhi all17:59
GAN800Hrm, I wonder who thumbed my categories post.17:59
camel_liumelmoth, What should I do?18:00
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melmothtry to find wich package define hildon_g_scanner_cache_open .18:00
melmothfind wich file in /usr/include defines it, and try to match it with  an entry in "pkg-config --list-all"18:01
qwerty12Is it *strictly* required to call osso_deinitialize?18:01
andre__GAN800, what debian thing?18:01
qwerty12osso_initialize is a must, I know but I'm lazy.18:01
andre__probably not :)18:01
MeizirkkiStskeeps: Can i try the Xomap package in m-r repo?18:01
Meizirkkior is it sure that it won't work?18:02
qwerty12andre__, Heh, thanks. I'm guessing if it quits, it quits :P :)18:02
GAN800andre__, foo's post on your blog.18:02
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melmothcamel_liu, then add the missing package in your gcc line with `pkg-config --cflags pkgname --libs pkgname`18:02
camel_liumelmoth, I'm new in linux. There're many files, how to find a file defined that?18:03
melmothgrep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr18:03
melmothshould do the trick18:03
StskeepsMeizirkki: should work18:03
melmothmaye be evene better to try grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr |grep define18:03
andre__GAN800, ah. no clue. people should use real email addresses so i can follow up. if it's just a debian fanboy it's sth to ignore, if he's a bit involved it could be interesting to continue discussing18:04
camel_liuI'm trying18:04
StskeepsMeizirkki: the deblet one is the same18:04
GAN800andre__, I was having trouble imagining exactly what would be forwarded18:04
andre__same here18:04
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GAN800Maybe if Maemo "R" goes through for Fremantle or later and we're actually somewhat aligned with upstream. . . .18:05
camel_liu-ldl /usr/lib/ -pthread //usr/lib/ undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open'18:05
camel_liucollect2: ld returned 1 exit status18:06
camel_liumake[2]: *** [swfplay] Error 118:06
StskeepsGAN800: so far it seems like maemo is more aligned than i thought18:06
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Stskeepspeople just have the wrong view18:06
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GAN800Stskeeps, perception not meeting reality? Interesting. ;)18:07
Stskeepsand it really depends what people want18:08
Stskeepsshould maemo surrender and merge to be a part of debian? because that's a uphill battle cos debian doesn't target mobile devices as such18:08
suihkulokkipeople want free cake and eat it18:08
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Stskeepsand some of the abilities of maemo are difficult to merge with traditional desktop systems without breaking everything else18:09
Stskeepsand ending with a sub-optimal result18:09
camel_liumelmoth, it returns many lines ending with 'No such file or directory'18:10
suihkulokkiStskeeps: the only big non-alignement as far as I see is gtk18:10
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camel_liuand the last line is 'grep: warning: /usr/X11R6/bin/X11: recursive directory loop'18:10
suihkulokkiwith QT things should be merrier (as trolls actually understand why binary compatablity is important)18:10
Stskeepssuihkulokki: i think it's minimal things when it comes to it, - i did the experiment of running maemo-gtk in LXDE18:10
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Stskeepsit didn't burn -that- badly18:10
Stskeepsand part of the R thing we're doing atm is to find the places where maemo gtk makes interoperability impossible18:11
suihkulokkiHmm, in that direction things would indeed be easier to work18:11
Stskeepsi think having a community-controlled distribution will really satisfy most people18:12
GAN800Stskeeps, I'm taking away your hyphen privileges. :P18:12
suihkulokkirunning maemo-gtk apps on top of stock gtk is more painfull18:12
camel_liu'grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr' returns some matches:, libgtk-x11-2.0.so18:12
GAN800No more ', - ' :p18:12
Stskeepsyeah, and again, why should you run hildonized apps on gtk?18:12
Stskeepshildonized apps are for mobile devices, not desktops :)18:12
melmothcamel_liu, are you compiling something you wrote, something somebody else wrote ? did he create a makefile ?18:13
camel_liumelmoth, I think libglib and libgtk-x11 are the reason18:13
melmothif you wrote things, find where the symbol comes from and use pkg-config to add the correct I and L option to the gcc command18:13
camel_liuof cause18:13
camel_liuI built many packages from source tonight18:13
camel_liubegin from glib18:14
melmothhmm. You should have glib and glib-devel in your scratchbox by default18:14
camel_liulibsoup, pixman, cairo and then swfdec18:15
MeizirkkiM-R guys: I am reading a pdf from mojo site and there was speed test between armv5 and armv618:16
MeizirkkiTested on a TI BeagleBoard, we saw a 15-20% speedup18:16
Meizirkkifrom the Hasty ARMv5EL distribution to the Hasty ARMv6EL+VFP18:16
Stskeepsyeah, but more exact? :P18:16
Meizirkkiit is on the home page18:16
melmothcamel_liu, i think there is no need to recompile libsoup nor cairo as there are already available too18:16
camel_liuI have just install glib-2.18.2 from source in scratchbox18:17
melmothat least in extras, maybe cairo is in the regular repository18:17
melmothcamel_liu, why ?18:17
camel_liubut newest swfdec require new version of them.18:17
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melmothcamel_liu, use the one available in the repos,18:17
melmothall the binary are build on top of them. yuou change the glib binary you use, you take the risj of  breaking everything that use it.18:18
camel_liui cannot find swfdec from repo!18:18
melmothwich is, mainly eveything in maemo18:18
melmothwell, then try to port it and have it compile againts the glib version diablo use18:19
camel_liuhow can I fix my glib then?18:19
melmothreinstall scratchbox ?18:20
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StskeepsGAN800: i honestly think people just want to have maemo platform so they can use it in their distros, be more popular in the huge exploding market, using to their advantage etc..18:20
camel_liureinstall scratchbox and maemo SDK again?18:20
MeizirkkiFrom the mojo PDF: Considering building Debian18:20
Meizirkkiin future work18:21
Stskeepssounds good18:21
Stskeepsbetter not be 'arm' platform name.18:21
melmothmay be just reinstalling the sdk would be enough. I do not know to be honest. I use scratchbox in a virtual machine, so when i break it, in resintall everything18:21
melmothjust to be sure .18:21
StskeepsGAN800: whereas a open platform like maemo that is easy to understand and move to other devices etc will do the trick instead.. why align to distros? its the individual packages that should get packages :P18:22
MeizirkkiStskeeps: maybe we should spam their mail-list with messages asking about arch-naming? ;P18:22
camel_liumelmoth, is not the problem of libglib and libgtk-x11?18:22
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StskeepsMeizirkki: nah, better not bite the hand that feeds..18:23
Stskeepscamel_liu: did you per chance recompile gtk too?18:23
camel_liuno, just glib18:23
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melmothcamel_liu, chances are this symbol is specific to the maemo glibc
camel_liucan I unintsall glib and reinstall it fromn repo?18:24
melmothyou can try18:24
melmoths/maemo glibc/maemo glib/18:25
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melmothwas there not a bot suppose to tell what i meant when using s/// ?18:26
Stskeepsinfobot, yeah18:26
infobotrumour has it, yeah is YEAH18:26
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melmothI meant glib not glibc in my previous sentence. That was what was meant with the  s/maemo glibc/maemo glib/18:27
qwerty12melmoth, it only corrects the last sentence you did18:27
melmothmay the flea of a thousand camel infest your most intimate region oh infobot for having missed my s/// !18:27
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qwerty12~curse overly long & files18:28
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, overly long & files !18:28
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camel_liuI want to play .swf in my program using gstreamer, gst-plugins-bad and swfdec.18:30
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camel_liumelmoth, but I cannot find gst-plugins-bad and swfdec from maemo repo.18:31
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melmothmost probably this is because of the nature of the bad plugings themsefl. Are there not the proprietary one ?18:32
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camel_liuyes, .swf is non-free18:32
melmothor are those the ulgy one ?18:32
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melmoth looks like proprietary are the ugly ones18:33
camel_liuI download gst-plugins-bad from there18:34
melmothI m just wondering. Is not uktube using gstreamer to display youtube video ?18:34
camel_liubut first I have to install swfdec, the plugin needs it18:34
melmothI m not sure, but if this is the case, you may want to look at how it does.18:35
melmothif it s using gstreamer, it will be the most easy way to get inspired.18:35
camel_liumplayer is using gstreamer18:35
melmothotherwise, you will have to recompile the plugin coming from free desktop, but, against the library avaialble in scatchbox, wich may be ...tricky18:35
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: i am going to give one more try for ubuntu-mobile. Is there any results of working flash with deblet-flashplayer?18:40
Stskeepshaven't worked on it and talking a bit to my finnish ex atm, so im a bit occupied =P18:41
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Stskeepslo johnx19:07
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johnxhildon-thumbnail certainly has interesting depends, huh?19:09
Stskeepsi'm at osso-gwconnect now and pondering why version 3.29 of libbluetooth-dev doesn't satisfy > 3.219:11
johnxI'll take a look19:12
Stskeepsthink it's just to remove the >= really.19:13
solcaHi! I'm wondering why in Deblet using the latest omap git tree kernel \19:15
solcausing ext2 as the rootfs any operation end in something like 'Stale NFS file handler'19:15
solcaany ideas?19:15
Stskeepsthis on tablet?19:15
Stskeepsi have no idea really - didn't try with any other kernel than diablo19:16
Stskeepsor how tablet acts without dsme and friends19:16
solcabut I try with ext3 and everything works fine except that it reboots19:17
solcareally weird19:17
Stskeepsdisabled lifeguard and watchdog19:17
solcayes I disabled all the 2 watchdogs and the lifeguard and same thing19:18
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solcaother good thing is that the new stlc45xx is working for me in Diablo but not in Deblet19:18
solcaI presume Deblet runs all the dsme stuff right?19:19
Stskeepssolca: you might be interested in , we have a jaiku channel for making a proof of concept for it at (if you need a jaiku invite say)19:19
Stskeepsdeblet gets dsme from initfs19:19
Stskeepsas deblet is a bit of a dead end regarding power consumption right now19:19
johnxis your kernel using initfs or is it mounting the rootfs directly?19:20
solcajohnx: is mounting mmcblk0p2 directly19:20
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johnxhey Meizirkki_n810 :)19:21
solcaStskeeps: will take a look at that sites19:22
Stskeepsand skills like yours could definately come in handy19:22
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solcaStskeeps: sure, just that I'm new to the tablets19:24
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solcabut I want to help in anything I can19:25
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qwerty12Mousey, Get a room! :P19:25
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Stskeepsjohnx: i had no idea nokia's send by bluetooth/turn on off etc was open sourced :P19:26
johnxI think I knew that osso-gwconnect was open sourced, but I don't think I ever looked what it did19:27
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Stskeepsit's stuff like sdp queries etc, dbus, etc19:27
solcaone newbie question: what are the differences between the retu and omap watchdogs and why 2 watchdogs?19:28
Stskeepsgood question19:30
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suihkulokkihistoric reasons19:31
solcasuihkulokki: please elaborate... :)19:32
Meizirkki_n810If mojo project starts to compile debian, it propably will carry arm architecture, but if mojo:s projects grow a lot, people will start to compile everything with arm name :)19:32
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suihkulokkiI hope if mojo starts compiling debian they use armel19:33
StskeepsMeizirkki: better be armel or they will be having a fatwa from debian..19:33
suihkulokkibesides, the official ubuntu arm port will use armel as well, afaik19:34
johnxStskeeps, what did you end up doing about osso-gnome-vfs using deprecated glib functions?19:34
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Meizirkki_n810is there any information yet about the offical ubuntu arm port?19:35
johnxsolca, it seems (from a couple mailing lists) that retu watchdog was just used differently in the past19:37
johnxbut, IIRC, in later kernels it behaves like a normal watchdog19:37
solcajohnx: could that be the problem that I get latest kernel rebooting, that I need a normal watchdog daemon to keep it happy?19:38
solcahow maemo and deblet keep the watchdogs happy in the maemo 2.6.21 kernel?19:38
johnxdeblet and maemo both run a lot of things from initfs before actually getting control19:39
solcaI'm confused by the dsme stuff, what I know is that there exists a config partition19:40
solcawhere things like R&D variables are stored19:40
solcabut if you enable let's say the no-retu-wd flag19:41
suihkulokkisolca: you can remove retu and omap-wd support from kernel and neither should bother you19:41
solcasomebody has to poll that variable and don't activate the watchdog, right?19:41
Stskeepsjohnx: G_GNUC_FUNCTION -> G_STRFUNC19:41
johnxwas the change that small?19:42
qwerty12solca, like lardman says, dsme19:42
suihkulokkisolca: someone said the rebooting on newer kernel is due to overheating (or something thinking it's overheating)19:42
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, in two files19:42
johnxheh, ok. I won't bother with a glib rebuild then :)19:42
solcasuihkulokki: great info! I'll disable the watchdogs19:43
solcasuihkulokki: one more thing, doest maemo uses the normal cpufreq stuff or its own19:43
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solcato keep cool the cpu?19:43
solcathe n800_defconfig has the CPUFREQ stuff disabled19:44
solcabut if I remember correctly the maemo kernel have it enabled19:45
suihkulokkisolca: that's probably better asked on linux-omap mailing list19:45
solcasuihkulokki: ok thanks19:45
johnxwell, (again, IIRC) there are two things at work: cpufreq and support for dvfs19:45
johnxin maemo, that is19:45
johnxeven if you disable cpufreq the CPU will still idle when it doesn't have any work to do19:46
johnxbut, all it takes is some small loop running to keep the CPU from idling19:46
GAN800Wow, Tim got laid off too.19:46
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solcajohnx: AFAIK cpufreq will reduce the speed of the processor and a kernel with NOHZ will sit idle until a timer expires or an interrupt19:47
solcajohnx: who is working in cpufreq, so I presume the cpufreq in maemo kernel is not the standard in Linux?19:47
StskeepsGAN800: where was he at?19:48
johnxsolca, that's more than I know19:48
GAN800Stskeeps, not sure, but not Nokia anyway19:48
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solcajohnx: ok thanks! I'll keep investigating...19:49
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lardmanGAN800: bad news19:50
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: video-omapfb crashed on my real n800 too btw19:53
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MeizirkkiNoo, it is storm here >:(20:00
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Stskeeps"implements its power management by passing tokenised dead mice through a wormhole"20:01
Stskeepsbest quote ever20:01
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Meizirkkii have installed both xserver-xomap from deblet repo and xserver-xorg-video-omapfb from m-r repo20:06
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Meizirkkiis there something else that needs to be installed for working X?20:07
Stskeepsah, xserver-xomap ought to be enough20:08
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Stskeepsrefer to Xomap, not X, when running X20:10
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Meizirkkiwhat does the package tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree contain?20:11
Stskeepssomething that constructs a local repository and fetches some hardware-specific packages from nokia for it20:11
Meizirkki_n810sh** i accidentally kicked my computer :(20:12
qwerty12Meizirkki_n810, You do that by accident? :P20:12
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Meizirkki_n810i accidentally kicked the table, that my computer is on20:13
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Meizirkki_n810Now it does not boot up :(20:14
Stskeepsdeblet/m-r victim count: electrocuted 770, dead sd cards, and now a computer20:15
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Meizirkki_n810Stskeeps: what is difference between tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree and tablet-hw-support-n8x0-nonfree20:15
lcukGAN800, :O @ news20:15
suihkulokkiStskeeps: are you missing /dev/fb ?20:15
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: think i have it since i have fbcon..20:16
StskeepsMeizirkki_n810: one of them is a virtual package20:16
Stskeepsone is for 770, one is for n8x020:16
suihkulokkiStskeeps: on my default deblet there was only /dev/fb020:17
Meizirkki_n810so i will use n8x0. :)20:17
suihkulokkiadded a symlink and it started working20:17
Stskeepsand it needs all three? k20:17
Stskeepsi'll boot into it later20:17
Meizirkki_n810Whew, my computer finally boots up... :)20:17
suihkulokkifb -> fb0 syml20:18
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Stskeepsthought udev takes care of that20:18
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suihkulokkiyes, it should probably be fixed in udev20:19
solcaStskeeps: maemo R POC is in simple terms a maemo refactored to behave more like a normal Linux distro? \20:19
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solcaor refactoring + reimplementation for the closed source bits?20:20
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Stskeepssolca: somewhat, but also trying to seperate the nokia from the maemo somewhat20:20
Stskeepsand have some new sdk ways20:20
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Stskeepsit will also show that what nokia actually does open source, is quite a lot20:21
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Stskeepsand to see if maemo really can be as easy to port for as to just hildonizing and recompiling20:21
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solcaStskeeps: but I though it was already separated via packages20:22
Stskeepsnot that well really20:22
Stskeepsbut we'll see20:22
Stskeepsin any case, we end up with an interesting alternative to current maemo state20:23
solcaand what is the current status?20:23
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Stskeepsbootable image that fits in 113mb flash, with full gnu tools, x libs, .. sec20:23
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Stskeeps"Today's flash count: 116m flash, 276.4m uncompressed, - now with Maemo GTK, Libhildon, Maemo-DBus. "20:24
Stskeepsand not stripped down that much20:24
Stskeeps(look at package list)20:24
Sargun_Screenhey, is there a way to manually update wayfinder mapper?20:25
Sargun_Screenupdate maps I mean..20:25
solcaStskeeps: and does it requires the diablo kernel + initfs or it ships with it's own stuff?20:25
Sargun_ScreenI downloaded the mapdata directory, I just don't know the UID20:25
Stskeepssolca: right not it uses diablo kernel and initfs20:25
Stskeepsas we're trying to get a hildon + maemo gtk and such running20:26
Sargun_Screenanyone here have wayfinder gps?20:26
Stskeepsrest of it we're not doing, but if you have a curiousity in that area, you're welcome :)20:26
Stskeepsdoing right now that is20:26
MeizirkkiI have wayfinder gps but i have never used it...20:26
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solcaStskeeps: another thing, are you using the same toolchain and libc or differents?20:28
* solca better checks the package list :)20:28
Stskeepswe're basing off mojo handhelds20:28
Stskeepsso for cross compilation codesourcery 2008q320:28
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solcaStskeeps: so it is mojo plus the maemo packages?20:31
johnxStskeeps, well, xorg omap works fine with the link here :)20:32
Stskeepssolca: brb phone20:32
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solcahmm, mojo have armv6el-vfp packages20:36
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Meizirkkii am using armv6 release20:37
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solcaMeizirkki: do you compile it yourself?20:38
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solcabecause mojo just have v6el20:38
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Meizirkkii meant armv6el20:38
solcagood! any speed boost?20:39
MeizirkkiTested with Beagle Board: armv6el-vfp was 15-20% faster than armv5el20:39
Meizirkkii read it from mojos pdf20:40
solcawow, if I remember correctly the beagleboard is >v6 right?20:40
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Meizirkkii think so...20:41
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solcaMeizirkki: but you are running in a blagle or in a nit?20:41
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Meizirkkii read it from mojo pdf20:42
Meizirkkithe speed test20:42
Meizirkkimojos interpid release "icy" is going to have armv7 port too20:42
solcaok, now I'm wondering the difference in speed for the nits20:43
Meizirkkiwe'll see...20:43
solcaso you are running the maemo R?20:43
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MeizirkkiI am running the same thing but i have not installed all the new packages compiled by Stskeep and johnx20:44
solcafrom the list that Stskeeps posts, almost all base packages are from maemor R :)20:46
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solcaStskeeps & johnx: I finally get it (or I thinkso)! you are basing it on mojo and creating all base + maemo packages20:49
solcaand fixing all build problems20:49
johnxexactly :)20:50
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johnxplus "integration" problems20:50
solcawow that's a lot of work20:50
solcaincluding the meamo gui?20:50
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johnxwell, so far Nokia's cleaned up their packages a lot since diablo versions20:50
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johnxwell, mostly the maemo GUI20:51
johnxthat's what makes it maemo after all :)20:51
solcaand what about the closed source bits?20:51
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johnxwell there's closed stuff at lower levels (as you know I'm sure), but we're not worrying about that20:52
johnxand there's closed stuff at the user level, as well20:52
johnxwe're mostly worried about the middle level for now20:53
johnxby "user level" I mean applications that the user uses20:53
johnxthe libraries are free for the most part, as is the core desktop stuff20:53
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solcaI don't know if Nokia ships all closed source binaries statically linked20:54
johnxthey don't20:54
solcabut AFAIC the toolchain is ancient20:54
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Meizirkkiis it possible to use dpkg-repack for some nokias closed source apps?20:54
solcaso I don;t know if there could be linking problems20:54
johnxMeizirkki, yes20:54
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qwerty12_N800Meizirkki, yes, but no point imho20:54
johnxsolca, well, actually, if I understand correctly, current maemo apps might not run without some small source changes on "maemo 5"20:55
johnxso things will have to get recompiled anyways20:56
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hahlobitcan i watch quicktime objects .qtl with some application in n800?21:05
deejoeso, does the bl-5f battery work in the n800?21:06
johnxcan any piece of software use those except for the Apple's quicktime?21:06
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johnxdeejoe, n800 has a bp-5l21:06
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johnxare they interchangeable?21:07
deejoewell, the bl-5f is cheaper, but has fewer amp-hours21:07
deejoewhat I don't know is whether it physically fits, or has other qualities that make it either a bad idea or an ok one.21:08
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timelesshello world21:08
timelessanyone know why Python is listed as disconitnued?21:08
johnxhi timeless21:08
johnxwhere is it listed as discontinued?21:09
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Stskeepsodd, that's contrary to what i've heard21:10
lardmanyeah, I thought Python was going to be brought into the fold21:10
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solcaso how I can install maemo R? deboostrap?21:15
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johnxsolca, there's a tarball to start with, then just grab packages as they become available21:16
johnxtarball is here:
johnxfor now we're keeping status updates here:
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solcajohnx: I untar to a empty partition? ext3fs is good?21:18
johnxyes, ext3 is what I use21:18
solcaand I direct the rootfs via the kernel parameter or I have to make an entry to the bootselect?21:19
johnxwell, the rootfs is designed to boot with bootmenu21:19
solcasorry I meant bootmenu not bootselect :)21:19
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johnxI'm not sure if it will work right if mounted directly as a rootfs21:19
Meizirkkii lost everything....21:19
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johnxMeizirkki, darn. that sucks. :(21:20
solcajohnx: deblet works but it reboots, probably because it didn't start dmse21:20
MeizirkkiAnybody knows what causes that segmentation Fault error21:20
johnxwhich segmentation fault error?21:21
Stskeepsokay. weirdest error-ever, po/en_GB.po:124: ...but some messages have 3 plural forms21:21
johnxsolca, how warm did the tablet get before rebooting? also, that was the kernel with both watchdog's enabled, right?21:21
MeizirkkiEVERY app i am trying to start shows me a f***** segmentating fault error!21:21
StskeepsMeizirkki: armv6 or?21:22
Meizirkkii have always used armv6el21:22
johnxevery app? does ls and cd still work?21:22
Meizirkkiokay ls and cd work21:22
StskeepsMeizirkki: this was after debootstrapping again?21:22
Meizirkkibut firefox...21:22
Stskeepswell firefox might be a little rough on the tablet21:23
solcajohnx: the tablet feels cold here so I'm pretty sure the rebooting is not by getting hot \21:23
StskeepsMeizirkki: you got X working?21:23
solcait always reboots almost at the same 30s after idle21:23
MeizirkkiArmv6el version of firefox runs well21:23
Stskeepssounds like wd though, solca21:23
MeizirkkiX works21:23
solcaStskeeps: exactly21:23
MeizirkkiBut most of the apps says Segmentation Fault21:23
Meizirkkilike hildon-desktop21:24
MeizirkkiThis have happened before21:24
Stskeepsgot swap activated?21:24
solcabut as already said in the omap tree the watchdogs react as normal watchdogs so maybe a bad interaction beetween apis21:24
MeizirkkiMayde it has something to do with locales21:25
StskeepsMeizirkki: are you booted into it or chrooting?21:25
solcajohnx: the weird thing is that afaik you just open the watchdog device and keep writing every 10s21:25
Meizirkkibooting directly does not work for some reason.21:26
Stskeepssolca: maybe21:26
solcajohnx: well that is what the normal debian watchdog daemon does21:26
* solca looking...21:26
MeizirkkiI can see rescue menus text, but anything else is behind white screen21:26
MeizirkkiI'll try again...21:27
StskeepsMeizirkki: there might be a binary incompatibility in some way21:27
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Stskeepsif you got the packages from deblet21:27
Stskeepsthe omap-fb-tools ones21:27
Stskeepsi know what's wrong21:27
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StskeepsMeizirkki: cp fb0,fb1,fb2 from /dev on maemo to the /dev on the partition21:28
Meizirkkithanks, i'll try21:28
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Meizirkki_n810cp says they are same files21:30
Meizirkkibecause of chroot21:31
solcaStskeeps: yes I already have that patches, but from which seems is the same site21:31
Meizirkkiand now i am in deep shit, i removed em.21:32
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StskeepsMeizirkki: next victim, your n810?21:33
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Meizirkkii guess so...21:34
Stskeeps /sbin/MAKEDEV fb0 may work21:35
Meizirkkithanks a lot21:35
Stskeepsremember fb1 and 221:35
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GAN800timeles, not sure why it's in there in the first place.21:35
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: i think you just saved my n810 :)21:36
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GAN800timeless, it's probably related to Gazpacho, actually.21:36
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: if not my n810, at least my mind21:39
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emma_goldsteinI'm trying to get avahi-daemon running automatically21:43
emma_goldsteinare there any scripts that will be called after connecting to a wlan-network (wlancond)?21:43
johnxyou can use dbus-scripts to watch for a connect and run a command21:44
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Meizirkki_n810_2Still segmentation fault21:50
Stskeepssucks, guess there are some problems with it21:51
Meizirkki_n810_2Segmentation Fault is random error.21:51
Stskeepsdoes dmesg say anything?21:51
Stskeepsand is this still a chroot?21:51
Mouseyis there an equivalent of service-discovery-applet for maemo once avahi is working??21:51
Mouseythat wuold be HAWT!!21:51
StskeepsMeizirkki_n810_2: you use glib and such from m-r or?21:52
Meizirkki_n810_2Almost everything is from mojo repos21:53
Stskeepsgot udev? might help21:53
Stskeepsremembering to mount dev/pts and proc?21:53
Meizirkki_n810_2gmesg shows a lot of tect21:53
Stskeepsin chroot21:53
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Meizirkki_n810_2qoles chroot scripts...21:54
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Meizirkki_n810_2I'll start all over again21:55
Meizirkki_n810_2i am sure it has something to do with loale settings21:56
Stskeepsmm, seems odd that it crashes cos of that21:56
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Meizirkki_n810_2Finally Meizirkki_n810 timed out :)22:00
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emma_goldsteinqwerty12_N800: thanks - up and running now22:01
emma_goldsteinMousey: in terminal "avahi-browse -a"22:01
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Mouseyi like the libnotify style of service-discovery-applet, maybe i can learn python and become useful! ^_^22:02
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emma_goldsteinMousey: as avahi is about services, it's just useful displaying available data in clients, i use the discovery-applet just for debugging purposes22:02
Mouseyreally.. i use it for network monitoring =)22:03
Mouseysuperficial coffee shop style network monitoring.. not like etherape or wireshark or something22:03
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dksaarthHi guys22:03
dksaarthnot having much luck here...22:04
dksaarthim using  sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b to try and build a library from source22:04
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dksaarthand i'm getting configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables22:04
dksaarthi think that is because /usr/bin/cc says file not found22:04
dksaarthdksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 /usr/bin/cc22:05
dksaarth/opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory22:05
dksaarthdksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 ls -als /usr/bin/cc22:05
dksaarth184 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 183444 2008-11-10 21:44 /usr/bin/cc22:05
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dksaarthany ideas ?22:06
johnx_about to have input working in Xorg :)22:06
Stskeepsjohnx_: you did the /dev/fb symlink?22:06
johnx_yup, it already runs and displays windows22:07
RST38hDHL kaput!22:07
Stskeepsjohnx_: neat22:07
RST38hmoo, johnx22:07
RST38hhey sts22:07
johnx_I'm just pulling in the tslib xorg input from debian22:07
johnx_m00f RST38h22:07
Stskeepsjohnx_: note on jaiku ideally, then we have that as a note for later adoptees22:08
johnx_i will once it works. I'll upload packages, source and xorg.conf as well22:08
Stskeepsi'll continue building stuff22:08
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Meizirkki_n810Touchscreen does not work?22:13
johnx_in xorg? I don't think so22:13
johnx_I tried a couple things22:13
johnx_evdev, evtouch, but good old tslib seems to do the trick22:14
johnx_just making my patch nice now :)22:14
Meizirkki_n810when i tried Xomap last time in hasty it worked...22:14
johnx_xorg, not xomap :)22:14
Meizirkki_n810ookay :)22:14
Stskeepsxorg is much cooler :P22:16
johnx_they already have lots of HAL stuff as well :)22:16
Meizirkki_n810It works now?22:17
johnx_jeez, gimme a minute :P22:17
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Meizirkki_n810damn, debootstrap failed...22:22
Stskeepsmaybe sd card getting corrupted?22:24
Stskeepsphew, finally, hildon-fm going :P22:26
Stskeepshad a bunch of dependancy22:26
Meizirkki_n810My sd have always been littlebit weird, sfdisk cannot read it and deblet installer thinks it's internal card .L22:28
Stskeepsthen it is.. :P22:29
Stskeepsif the debug says so22:29
Meizirkki_n810no errors with fdisk22:30
Meizirkki_n810fsck sorry22:30
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timelessif i'm a program22:31
timelessand i want to use an env var...22:31
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timelesswhat env var can i use to figure out "device language"?22:32
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timelessqwerty12_n800: hrm. nope22:32
timelesssee bug22:32
qwerty12_N800my bad, I shouldn't jump the gun :)22:33
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timelessanywayk, if you can figure out the right patch22:37
timelessplease post it :)22:37
dksaarthhi guys - anybody know how i can get around this ?22:38
dksaarthdh_installman -plibosip2-dev22:38
dksaarthdebian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/osip.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120.22:38
dksaarththere is debian/tmp/usr/local/share/man/man1/osip.122:39
dksaarthfor some reason the files are in usr/local instead of usr22:39
johnx_building a new .deb package? make sure you pass --prefix=/usr to configure22:39
dksaarthi'm trying to build an existing source package - can i do a sb2 ./configure --prefix=/usr22:40
dksaarthand then a sb2 dpkg-buildpackage ?22:40
dksaarthi'm trying to use an ubuntu source package22:40
dksaarthwhich might not go so well with an etch tool set ?22:40
johnx_strange that it's installing into usr/local22:41
johnx_just look in debian/rules22:41
johnx_and add a --prefix=/usr to their configure command line22:41
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dksaarthaah thanks for the info johnx - i did a configure --prefix=/usr and then the dpkg-buildpackage, which seemed to have worked22:43
dksaarthin debian/rules, at the top it says make -f22:44
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dksaarthcan I add a -j5 there to take advantage of my multicores ?22:44
dksaarthor is that a no no when doing cross compiling ?22:44
johnx_for that kind of thing just:22:44
johnx_export MAKE="make -j5"22:44
johnx_no need to tweak debian/rules for something that's a local change only22:45
dksaarthaaah thanks :D22:45
johnx_I actually have a little file that I source before I start building things22:45
RST38hWhat multicores?22:46
dksaarthoh ? anything else that might be usefull / i can learn from ?22:46
dksaarthi'm running a quad core as the host computer?22:46
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qwerty12_N800timeless, got it. $LC_MESSAGES22:47
* RST38h found yesterday that MIPS assembler will add NOPs into assembly code wherever it feels that the CPU will get into a pipeline hazard22:47
johnx_dksaarth, ah, if you're building packages that take forever to build their documentation and you have no need for it: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nodocs"22:47
dksaarththanks again :)22:48
RST38h(holy shit, the MIPS is so ancient that it actually had problems with certain instruction sequences and those were taken care of in the software)22:48
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derfCheaper than fixing the hardware.22:50
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Stskeepsjohnx_: choice of version numbers, adapt ubuntu to maemo, or adapt maemo to ubuntu?22:52
dksaarthhmmmm, im still running into the problem of not finding my cc22:52
dksaarthit went away, and came back ;/22:52
dksaarthdksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-exosip/libexosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 cc -v22:53
dksaarth/opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory22:53
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RST38hderf: much less efficient though22:53
RST38hespecially with slow SDRAM found in embedded devices22:53
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johnxhmm...starting to get tired of my computer randomly turning off22:57
johnxBTW, does xorg's omapfb do manual fb updates?22:58
RST38hI think yes22:58
johnxso is it an option to turn on?22:58
dksaarthSigh i can not understand why /usr/bin/cc says it does not exist, yet ls /usr/bin/cc shows that it exists22:58
Stskeepsjohnx: think suihkulokki mentioned something about it not being manual23:00
johnxaaah, ok23:00
johnxthat's what I gathered23:00
johnxjust wanted to confirm23:00
qwerty12_N800how does fb-progress do it? it doesn't need automatic framebuffer afaik but uses the fb to display the bar23:01
johnxit manually calls for an fb update23:02
RST38hjohnx: it is an fctl23:02
RST38hioctl, sorry23:02
ryoohkii've installed a tomcat app in a centos vmware machine now when i start the service( Alfresco) the java process hangs in futex wait( seen using strace)23:03
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ryoohkiany ideas what might be wrong?23:04
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emmaI have to train irssi to somehow not highlight me on emma_goldste..23:24
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suihkulokki/help hilight23:27
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emma_goldstein1is there some "autogreet" in nokia chat to register with nickserv?23:32
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cyrus___anyone know what the plat-omap architecture is within the linux kernel?23:45
dksaarthsigh, still no cc joy23:45
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