| lcuk | isnt that the same with normal maemo? | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | try having an app with a untraditional lib | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | and porting those libs | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | kinda like the inverse of me needing xsp | 00:02 |
| lcuk | to use it properly on the desktop i would have to find an alternative pressure library | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | with this platform you can have both the power of a netbook distro in your hand and a power-saving mobile system | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | pft. sleep is overrated | 00:04 |
| fale | hi | 00:05 |
| fale | I have seen that the next version should be based on qt. is this true? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | next version of what? | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | maemo | 00:06 |
| lcuk | based on, or will support? | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 00:06 |
| lcuk | cos i thought the platform was based on linux | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan will support QT afaik | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | too much info for that guy.. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | fale failed | 00:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 groans :p | 00:08 | |
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| lcuk | wb fale, you failed | 00:11 |
| fale | lcuk: yep, my quassal server failed | 00:12 |
| fale | someone have responded to my question while my server was crushed? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan will support QT afaik | 00:12 |
| fale | Stskeeps: is there a roadmap? | 00:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 00:14 |
| GAN800 | fale, support != will be based on. | 00:15 |
| Navi | Ew | 00:16 |
| RST38h | remoo | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 00:17 |
| suihkulokki | apt-get moo | 00:18 |
| fale | GAN800: it will be a step by step thing? | 00:18 |
| * fale may have read wrong on wikipedia | 00:20 | |
| Stskeeps | fale: think it's just providing alternate toolkits that are able to mimic the hildon look | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | and when you have gtk and qt doing that.. | 00:24 |
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| fale | I see | 00:24 |
| fale | I dunno why but I was completed sure that maemo would be translated to qt... maybe because nokia bought trolltech? | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | why change something that works? :P | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | when you can have them both co-existing | 00:26 |
| RST38h | "The latest big bug discovered in Android has to be one of the craziest that's shipped with a phone. Basically, Android invisibly interprets every word as a command and executes it with "superuser privileges." If you open up your keyboard and type r-e-b-o-o-t, your G1 will, yep, reboot." | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, saw that earlier | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | that is -hillarious- | 00:27 |
| RST38h | And we need some rootshell, becomeroot, and other crap | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stupid retards, can't even lock down the device properly | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Strike of real goonius! | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | talk about keyboard gestures.. | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | "want to reboot your phone? type it!" | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:28 |
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| * RST38h wonders what other interesting things can be typed | 00:28 | |
| Stskeeps | "telnetd" | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | which was how it was found out. | 00:28 |
| fale | Stskeeps: that's true too | 00:28 |
| RST38h | "It'll do this with any other command too, so stay away from combinations of rm and rf." <== aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! | 00:28 |
| disco_stu | what is that ? | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | disco_stu: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | fale: the versatile nature of the tablets is what makes it -really- interesting | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | you're not locked down to certain toolkits | 00:30 |
| RST38h | "Heres a workaround I just discovered: Open the keyboard and type these 5 keystrokes: <return>-c-a-t-<return>." | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | until you do ctrl-d | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:31 |
| fale | Stskeeps: that's true, but for what I have seen... qt are often more easy to use and manage...than I thought that nokia would pass the main code to it | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | fale: then some things might be used.. think a lot of things are up in the air right now | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | There's a non-trivial amount of code to port for zero benefit. | 00:32 |
| disco_stu | thats if for android.. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | and what GAN said | 00:32 |
| fale | someone of you have tried maemo on freerunner? | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | fale: maemo isn't directly easy to port | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, hildon maybe but it's not the same as maemo | 00:35 |
| fale | why? | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | you want the long technical reason or me telling it's not trivial to get something that feels quite like the tablets? :P | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | and is as well-behaving | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | and supports same apps as the platform | 00:36 |
| fale | ah ok, I see | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | but you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | [.. i should really have gotten into advertising instead of computer science. or pushing drugs.] | 00:37 |
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| fale | Stskeeps: xd | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | that a smiley? :P | 00:39 |
| fale | Stskeeps: yep | 00:39 |
| fale | Stskeeps: are you a maemo dev? | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | nah. not really. i did deblet (debian for the tablets), i'm just a crazy person who's interested in system architecture and noticed some shortcomings in maemo | 00:40 |
| fale | I see | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | and see some potential in the platform | 00:41 |
| fale | my question is poiting toward this: how much maemo is free as development? | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | could you rephrase that? | 00:42 |
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| Stskeeps | if you're asking how much of a firmware image is open source, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages | 00:45 |
| fale | Stskeeps: how much a freelance (not a nokia dev) can do in maemo | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | you can develop quite a bit for the platform, but develop maemo itself is still to be seen, there's some tasks going on regarding that | 00:46 |
| fale | I see | 00:46 |
| GAN800 | Feel free to start patching | 00:46 |
| fale | GAN800: xd | 00:46 |
| GAN800 | Some products are more receptive to patches than others. | 00:46 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, can you hit with the app manager wiki page? :P | 00:47 |
| fale | GAN800: nokia how is with patches? | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Open_Source_Proof_Points ? | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | fale: there's a bugtracker and active devs on it | 00:48 |
| GAN800 | wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:48 |
| GAN800 | the collaborative infrastructure page is probably useful too. | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure | 00:52 |
| fale | thx guys | 00:54 |
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| * GAN800 pokes Stsbot. :p | 01:02 | |
| Stskeeps | <cursor blinking> | 01:03 |
| * Stskeeps adds a bit to the collaboration task | 01:03 | |
| Stskeeps | +talk | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | (Talk:Task:something really looks screwy.) | 01:04 |
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| zakkm | Hi, i connected to a wifi on my N800 and it connected but nothing internet works | 01:20 |
| zakkm | strong signal | 01:20 |
| zakkm | ifconfig says 192.168.10.104 i got assigned | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | is there a gateway and is it pingable? | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | (netstat -rn) | 01:22 |
| zakkm | bcast( gateway i believe? ) 192.168.10.255 | 01:22 |
| zakkm | oh wait | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's broadcast :P | 01:22 |
| zakkm | 192.168.10.1 | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | is it pingable? | 01:22 |
| zakkm | for gateway | 01:22 |
| zakkm | uhh ill try | 01:23 |
| zakkm | trying now | 01:23 |
| zakkm | yes | 01:23 |
| zakkm | its pinging | 01:23 |
| zakkm | it used to work like 5 hours ago even ... | 01:23 |
| zakkm | no packet loss from pining, round trip min/avg/max = 2.9/19.9/26.4 ms | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | well then it's either a DNS issue or the gw won't let you pass | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:24 |
| zakkm | i can get into router settings | 01:25 |
| zakkm | if i goto the gateway as i site | 01:25 |
| zakkm | it works | 01:25 |
| zakkm | wait i got disconnected, and now its not a choice -.- | 01:25 |
| zakkm | oh nevermind | 01:26 |
| zakkm | connected | 01:26 |
| zakkm | im in the dynamic DHCP list | 01:26 |
| zakkm | in router settings. | 01:26 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: any ideas? | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | ping www.yahoo.com returns what? :P | 01:28 |
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| zakkm | nothing | 01:28 |
| zakkm | it doesnt return anything | 01:28 |
| zakkm | in router settings, it doesnt look like anything is blocking my nokia? | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | ping 84.238.11.16? | 01:29 |
| zakkm | 56 data bytes | 01:30 |
| zakkm | only 1 line | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | mm, then no ip connection through | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | route problem then | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | router | 01:30 |
| zakkm | on the nokia though | 01:30 |
| zakkm | in router settings, from nokia | 01:30 |
| zakkm | it shows i got a ip address | 01:30 |
| zakkm | and its the same one from ifconfig | 01:30 |
| zakkm | it worked like 5 hours ago, thats what i dont understand | 01:31 |
| zakkm | i just got assigned a different ip | 01:31 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: are you saying they're not connected to internet, that its just a router sitting there? | 01:32 |
| zakkm | or is it a nokia problem ? | 01:32 |
| zakkm | or a router setting i have to change. | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | router problem, you can ping it fine, but no access beyond it | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 01:34 |
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| cyrus__ | Anyoe here experienced with kernel programming? I have a fairly simple question. In one of my files I have an include statement (#include <asm/arch/dsp.h> and when compiling it says it can't be found. Simple solution should be, well that file doesn't exist. However, there is another include #include <asm/arch/mmc.h> which doesn't exist either but when compiling it doesn't complain | 01:41 |
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| woglinde | cyrus__ you are missing the kernel headers | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, still awake? | 02:17 |
| lcuk | 5 seconds full frame :) time to optimize needs to be realtime ;) http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_002443.gary.scr.png | 02:29 |
| Stskeeps | *looks* | 02:29 |
| Stskeeps | *ponders why his hd is suddenly spinning* | 02:30 |
| * lcuk is breaking algo down into line spans and making it recursively drop tile sizes and stuff | 02:30 | |
| hellwolf | how to let the mediaplayer support mp3 | 02:30 |
| lcuk | it does doesnt it? | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ah, fractals :) | 02:31 |
| Stskeeps | i recall typing in a full commodore 128 program for mandelbrot | 02:31 |
| Stskeeps | and let it run over the summer | 02:31 |
| Stskeeps | killed the poor machine, too | 02:31 |
| lcuk | i did one on my spectrum, in black and white that same image took 23 hours 35 minutes | 02:31 |
| lcuk | i marvelled at it and wanted to zoom in but the generation time was way out of reach | 02:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 02:32 |
| lcuk | i can do it now in the palm of my hand | 02:32 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:32 |
| Stskeeps | amazing how things change | 02:32 |
| lcuk | yes, im looking at an image of about the same resolution (256*224) rendering 2fps | 02:33 |
| lcuk | (the 5seconds was for 800*480) | 02:33 |
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| lcuk | its going to take cunning to get this working nicely, but i know it can be done: ive seen it done on the amiga | 02:34 |
| lcuk | and its something that if we do right will NOT be toppable by the iphone, its down to raw cpu hence its a straight fight | 02:34 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.kartoen.be/wp/2008/05/18/the-happysad-guide-to-drinks-for-women/ | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | this is so true.. | 02:45 |
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| srf21c | anybody familiar with a way to control the volume on an N800 via an ssh session? | 05:13 |
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| halley | Anyone put cvs ON their nokia? apt-cache doesn't see it but maybe I don't have the right repo. | 06:16 |
| halley | Googling for it is a bit tough, given how much 'cvs' appears on everything. | 06:17 |
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| zakkm | anyone here know a good cbr(comicbook reader format) reader? | 07:47 |
| LinuxCode | there is one in extras | 07:47 |
| zakkm | i tried cbrpages but it takes like 30 seconds to load the next page -.- | 07:48 |
| LinuxCode | dunno if its good | 07:48 |
| johnx | cbrpager was pretty quick for me | 07:48 |
| zakkm | for me it takes ages | 07:48 |
| johnx | how big are the scans? | 07:49 |
| zakkm | 11mb cbr, 28 "pages" | 07:49 |
| zakkm | 396kb jpeg's | 07:49 |
| johnx | huh. doesn't sound unreasonable | 07:50 |
| johnx | why not ask the guy who ported it? there's a thread on itt | 07:50 |
| zakkm | thats what i thought | 07:50 |
| zakkm | who ported it, do you happen to know off memory? | 07:51 |
| johnx | "bge" on itt | 07:51 |
| zakkm | is there no other cbr reader? | 07:52 |
| zakkm | can evince play cbr's ? | 07:52 |
| zakkm | is there Comix ? | 07:52 |
| johnx | comix is there, but it's a lot slower than cbrpager | 07:52 |
| zakkm | oh | 07:52 |
| Navi | evince | 07:53 |
| halley | evince is nice for pdf, but does cbr have more to it? | 07:54 |
| zakkm | cbr = rar file with pics in it | 07:55 |
| zakkm | Evince has an optional package that adds Comic book support. <--- ? | 07:55 |
| zakkm | according to wikipedia | 07:55 |
| Navi | built-in support | 07:55 |
| zakkm | Evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, cb, cbr, cbz, tiff and dvi. | 07:55 |
| zakkm | according to maemo evince page | 07:55 |
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| halley | Anyone know what apt repo would have 'cvs'? | 08:06 |
| zakkm | extras-devel my guess. | 08:06 |
| halley | If I wanted to turn euro and yen symbols into { } symbols, what's the file that drives that stuff? | 08:08 |
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| camel_liu | hi, everyone | 08:17 |
| camel_liu | I'm installing gstreamer in X86 target, but encounter a problem. | 08:18 |
| camel_liu | I installed newest Gstreamer, and try to install gst-plugins-base, but configure still says: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.13 | 08:19 |
| camel_liu | I installed Gstreamer 0.10.21 just now. | 08:20 |
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| camel_liu | Any suggestion? | 08:21 |
| camel_liu | How can I check which version of Gstreamer is working in my target? | 08:24 |
| johnx | apt-cache policy package-name | 08:25 |
| johnx | that only works for packages you installed with apt-get or from a .deb | 08:25 |
| camel_liu | I just download source, and configure, make and make install | 08:27 |
| johnx | getting the package with apt-get should be easier | 08:28 |
| camel_liu | johnx, I installed gstreamer-0.10.21, but when I configure gst-plugins-base-0.10.20, it returns error: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.13 | 08:29 |
| camel_liu | Why it is still old version? | 08:30 |
| camel_liu | does maemo repo have gstreamer? | 08:31 |
| johnx | which packages did you install from source and which package did you install from apt-get | 08:31 |
| johnx | ? | 08:31 |
| camel_liu | all from source. | 08:31 |
| johnx | yes, I think all are available from a maemo repo | 08:32 |
| johnx | if you installed .13 first then .21 you might have some left over parts of .13 still installed | 08:32 |
| camel_liu | .13 is installed by maemo sdk, I think | 08:34 |
| johnx | that seems right | 08:34 |
| camel_liu | I installed .21 from source just now. | 08:34 |
| camel_liu | For I need do some ogg theora and vorbis development | 08:35 |
| johnx | .21 is probably installed to /usr/local/lib and .13 is probably installed to /usr/lib | 08:35 |
| camel_liu | when I configured .13, I used --prefix=/usr | 08:35 |
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| camel_liu | .21 | 08:36 |
| johnx | then parts of both are probably installed on top of each other | 08:36 |
| johnx | do you need .21 for some reason? | 08:36 |
| camel_liu | when I install newest gst-plugins-base-0.10.21, it needs gstreamer > 0.10.20 | 08:37 |
| camel_liu | oog is in gst-plugins-base | 08:37 |
| camel_liu | what do you mean 'on top of each other'? | 08:38 |
| camel_liu | ogg vorbis asnd theora is in gst-plugins-base | 08:38 |
| johnx | I mean, since you didn't remove .13 before installing .21 there are probably leftover parts of .13 still installed | 08:38 |
| camel_liu | then I try remove .13? | 08:39 |
| johnx | you could do that I guess | 08:39 |
| camel_liu | how do I remove it without disturb others? | 08:39 |
| johnx | how do you remove .13 without removing .12? | 08:40 |
| johnx | well you can't really | 08:40 |
| camel_liu | remove .13 and install .21 again? | 08:41 |
| camel_liu | remove both and install .21 again? | 08:41 |
| johnx | first run make uninstall in the gstreamer .21 source directory | 08:41 |
| johnx | then use apt-get remove to remove .13 | 08:41 |
| johnx | then install .21 | 08:41 |
| camel_liu | ok, let me try. | 08:42 |
| camel_liu | I always met '302 Found' problem when use 'apt-get update' with maemo repo. So I try to do everything from source manually. | 08:45 |
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| johnx | that will make things very difficult for you | 08:50 |
| johnx | qwerty12, aha! I have a good test for aufs | 08:51 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, sounds good *grin* :) | 08:51 |
| johnx | I'm going to be expanding /tmp online | 08:52 |
| qwerty12 | God knows why they use the /tmp from initfs... | 08:53 |
| johnx | we're stuck with it even in deblet it seems. | 08:53 |
| johnx | the sooner we're on ohm the better | 08:53 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 08:54 |
| johnx | I think that just saved me a couple hours at least. :D thanks! | 08:59 |
| qwerty12 | It worked? /me asks with a hopeful smile :) | 09:00 |
| johnx | yup | 09:01 |
| johnx | mount -t aufs -o br:/tmp.new/:/tmp none /tmp | 09:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hah, brilliant, thanks! | 09:01 |
| johnx | I don't know if that was sane but it certainly served the purpose of giving me more than 1MB of /tmp for a couple of seconds | 09:01 |
| johnx | and /tmp.new had a 62MB tmpfs on it | 09:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Hrm, xchat 2.8.6 is running nicely on the tablet, just need to fix the settings dialog. | 09:27 |
| hahlobit | helo, when i boot sdcard got permission problem with screen, only root can use screen? but when boot flashdisk user can use screen. does sdcard booting need to useradf -g somegroup? | 09:30 |
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| camel_liu | johnx, I configured gst-plugins-base successfully, but it says at last: configure: *** Plug-ins with dependencies that will NOT be built: ogg, theora, vorbis. | 09:34 |
| camel_liu | which are needed by me. | 09:34 |
| camel_liu | how can I let these be built? | 09:34 |
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| johnx | you need to use apt-get to install libogg-dev, etc | 09:36 |
| camel_liu | thanks | 09:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:53 |
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| liri | hey Khertan | 10:10 |
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| Mikho | I have a C++ question: I'm planning on creating a string object, resizing it to a certain size, taking the C-pointer with c_str() call, const_cast:ing away the constness and using the pointer to read the actual contents of the string from a socket with recv(). Is this safe? | 10:43 |
| Mikho | the point is that I don't need to create extra copies of the string, which might save some time if the string is huge | 10:44 |
| Mek | 'const_casting away the constness' -> not safe | 10:44 |
| Mek | what might be safer is just using &str[0]; than you don't have to do ugly const castss | 10:45 |
| Mikho | why? | 10:45 |
| Mikho | I'd like to know if there's some internal mechanic in the string class that prevents this kind of trick | 10:46 |
| Mek | why? because the c++ standard says so... | 10:47 |
| Mikho | hmm, &str[0] might work too, but isn't the result exactly the same? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: eh, deblet should do /boot/tmp, not /tmp | 10:47 |
| Mek | in 99% of the cases it will probably work just fine, but it is explicitly forbidden to modify the contents returned by c_str() | 10:48 |
| Mikho | I wouldn't want some standard telling me what'S safe an what not, if I think I have a better idea what'S going on | 10:48 |
| RST38h | Mikho: The rule of thumb: The more crap you use the less safe it is | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-booting.tar.gz - M-R image that boots on tablet | 10:49 |
| Mikho | well, I guess I might run into problems if the string implementation changes | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: (has deblet rescue menu to turn on console, splash doesnt work) | 10:50 |
| Mikho | but, why would &str[0] be better then? | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | Mikho: Just use char str[whatever-max-size-you-have] | 11:01 |
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| Mikho | by using gtk with C seems to slowly erode and twist various programming principles... | 11:02 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'll download that too ;) What does it have already installed? | 11:02 |
| RST38h | Avoid using gtk. | 11:03 |
| Mikho | RST38h, I don't want to hardcode an upper limit for the string. I think it's a bigger evil than const_casting | 11:03 |
| RST38h | Will your string realistically have an upper limit? | 11:04 |
| Mikho | then, if I use just char *, I don't get to use the neat C++ string class | 11:04 |
| Mikho | the string might be a employer name, or a picture file | 11:04 |
| Mikho | or video | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it's my pimped image from last night + x11-utils and xorg omap driver -but it crashes on my tablet- | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt | 11:06 |
| RST38h | "neat C++ string class" -- hehe | 11:06 |
| RST38h | another lazy stl user | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and requires same type of bootmenu item as deblet | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Mikho: There is a macro that sets the maximal path length. Define a plain C string of that size | 11:06 |
| Meizirkki | ok, i have. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and hold down "home" button to activate usbnet when you've selected it in boot menu and press enter | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | and console and such | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Mikho: Getting a const pointer from a library of whose internal operation you have no idea about, casting that pointer to non-const, and modifying its contents is NOT safe by any measure | 11:07 |
| Mikho | maximal path length? | 11:07 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 11:07 |
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| Mikho | I understand the principle, but... | 11:08 |
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| RST38h | Mikho: "I am afraid but I would really like to"? | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Well, the answer is "Do as you like but be afraid" :) | 11:09 |
| Mikho | there doesn't seem to be a good practical reason to follow the principle | 11:10 |
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| Mikho | principles are notorious for not being 100% correct | 11:10 |
| Mikho | I wonder what's the reason c_str() pointer cannot be modified... | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you on jaiku? | 11:11 |
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| jagernot | hello how do i obtain a graphics context for a window to draw on? | 11:11 |
| Mikho | maybe it's because deleting or new:ing the pointer or sth might destroy everything | 11:12 |
| Meizirkki | no, no one invited me and request takes forever :( | 11:13 |
| Mikho | ok, I'll see if I get troublems with this solution, and be happy but afraid if I don't | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: msg me an email and i'll invite | 11:14 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 11:15 |
| Meizirkki | sec | 11:15 |
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| johnx | hey Stskeeps :) | 11:23 |
| johnx | I'll install that as soon as gtk is done compiling | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:23 |
| johnx | thankfully I was able to do the gtk compile on the n800 so things should go a lot quicker vs zaurus | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Mikho: It cannot be modified because you cannot tell what it is | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: on jaiku? setting up #reconstructedPOC as a experiment in development, where achievements/proposal changes/experiences/etc are documented | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Mikho: It is a point that the completely opaque string class implementation gives to you | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Once you modify it, your program may work of fail depending on how string class is implemented | 11:25 |
| * johnx sighs and makes a jaiku account | 11:25 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe, want an invite cos it seems their main adding system doesn't work? | 11:25 |
| Mikho | I understand that, but the thing is that the opaque class in this case happens to have a function for exposing some of it's internale mechanics | 11:26 |
| johnx | eek, really? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i stood in queue for a day or so, invite works fine though | 11:26 |
| Mikho | that is, the C string interface | 11:26 |
| johnx | thanks | 11:26 |
| Mikho | so it's not that opaque | 11:27 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why wiki.maemo.org is dead again | 11:27 | |
| johnx | I heard there was another hardware move | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:27 |
| johnx | though try s/http/https/ | 11:28 |
| Mikho | I think I can be pretty sure the returned pointer contains the string in question, and is null-terminated | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: same result though | 11:28 |
| johnx | ah, ok. then it's the hardware move | 11:28 |
| Mikho | it's not possible that the returned char* would contain just half of the string, while the other end lies in some other part of memory | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw i managed to squeeze http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt into 107mb flash? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | tracker, pulseaudio, dash,bash, etc | 11:32 |
| johnx | yup, just now. catching up with the backlog :) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:32 |
| johnx | and bluez too | 11:32 |
| RST38h | Mikho: [yawning widely] The reason why it exposes that string to you as c_str() is for compatibility with C. You see, most normal people do not use STL, they use char strings | 11:33 |
| RST38h | And somehow STL had to satisfy normal people | 11:34 |
| RST38h | So, they made a function to return you a const char *. | 11:34 |
| RST38h | But do not treat it as an invitation to screw with it. | 11:35 |
| Mikho | yes, that's exactly the reason I can't see why it wouldn't work, compabitility with C | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Mikho: Example why it wouldn't work: c_str() may return a pointer to a temporary buffer | 11:36 |
| RST38h | so whatever changes you make to it do not get reflected in the STL string | 11:36 |
| Mikho | I wonder if there's such an implementation | 11:36 |
| Mikho | if there is, I'll quit the idea immediately | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Well, cast it to char *, modify it, and continue wondering | 11:38 |
| RST38h | I mean, it's not my job to persuade random people on IRC to do things correctly | 11:38 |
| jagernot | im struggling to change the color of my pen when i draw into a GtkWidget... | 11:38 |
| jagernot | i want to get a GC, then change color via colormap...how to get a GC on a GtkWidget? thanks. | 11:39 |
| Mikho | oh, looks like it's not possible for the function to return a copy if I use at() instead | 11:39 |
| jagernot | i tried widget->style->fg_gc, black_gc etc but they dont let me change the color.. | 11:40 |
| Mikho | since at() returns a reference | 11:40 |
| Mikho | but, it doesn't make any assumptions on the character order either... hmm | 11:40 |
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| johnx | grrr...jaiku wants to be able to send an sms to me :/ | 11:44 |
| johnx | not gonna happen | 11:44 |
| Meizirkki | Why? | 11:45 |
| johnx | no SMS support on this carrier | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: you can just skip that part afaik | 11:47 |
| johnx | ah cool | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, webmin runs slow on the N800 :P | 11:47 |
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| Meizirkki | Xchat crashed :/ | 11:48 |
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| Mikho | RST38h, just noticed you recommended avoiding gtk. Is there really a choice if you program for N810? | 11:52 |
| * lcuk rubs his eyes | 11:54 | |
| * lcuk yawns n stretches | 11:54 | |
| lcuk | is maemo.org down? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho: qt will come eventually | 11:55 |
| hahlobit | hey any guess why /var/run/screen gives permission denied on sdcard boot? but works flash-disk boot? as user in both cases. | 11:56 |
| lcuk | sdcard does not have execute permissions | 11:56 |
| hahlobit | ah | 11:57 |
| johnx | errr...not quite | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | ownership I'd guess | 11:57 |
| johnx | it actually fails for me when booting from flash | 11:57 |
| hahlobit | strange then | 11:58 |
| hahlobit | johnx: do you have diaablo too? | 11:58 |
| * lcuk missed the word boot out | 11:58 | |
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| hahlobit | can i fix it somehow? not nice to run screen irssi as a root. | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC as well then :) | 12:01 |
| johnx | hahlobit, just make the directory | 12:01 |
| hahlobit | ok | 12:02 |
| johnx | no wonder my zaurus was having so much trouble building docs | 12:02 |
| johnx | just that part alone is taking 70% of 128MB... | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:03 |
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| johnx | so anyways, gtk should finish in a couple hours | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds good, then we can get hacking on hildon and such | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we're using the SVN packages? | 12:05 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm following trunk | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | / fremantle ones | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:05 |
| johnx | ah...well...hmm | 12:05 |
| johnx | i wonder how different they are at this point | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, trunk=fremantle | 12:06 |
| johnx | ah, well that's good news | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt it's tagged yet | 12:06 |
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| johnx | i guess the only thing tagged is some hildon stuff? | 12:07 |
| hahlobit | ls -l gives /var/run/screen ls -l /var/run/screen | 12:07 |
| hahlobit | drwx------ 2 root root | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: there's a bit of weirdness about /var/run when the system boots afaik | 12:08 |
| hahlobit | ah | 12:08 |
| johnx | I think /var/run/screen needs to be remade and chmod 666 every boot | 12:08 |
| hahlobit | strange | 12:09 |
| hahlobit | hope uptime is good then :) | 12:11 |
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| johnx | mmm...changelogs for fremantle look nice :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 12:15 |
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| johnx | "Replaced scrolled window with pannable area." from hildon-fm fremantle branch Changelog | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: Are they finally building a decent file manager? | 12:17 |
| johnx | hmm, dunno | 12:17 |
| johnx | this is just the gtk file open dialog I think | 12:17 |
| Meizirkki | Can i boot directly into m-r? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, the tar.gz i gave is bootable | 12:18 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 12:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is the same as their file manager | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: tar -zxf it on a ext3 fs or something, and it should be bootable without issue, but you should activate console mode / usb in rescue menu | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't have wifi yet | 12:20 |
| Meizirkki | i have unpacked it, but how can i activate console mode? | 12:21 |
| Meizirkki | i have deblet-bootmenu | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | start it up like you would deblet and hold down the home key after you've selected it in bootmenu and pressed enter | 12:22 |
| Meizirkki | ookay | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | then a menu like on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE will come up | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | where you can select usbnet (will activate console too), or just pure console, etc | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | serial doesn't work and splash doesnt either | 12:23 |
| Meizirkki | i'm now on rescue menu | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | just select ethernet gadget one | 12:24 |
| Meizirkki | There is only start deblet normally option | 12:24 |
| Meizirkki | nothing happens, when i press laft of right | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | try a little harder | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | it picks up once a second or so :P | 12:25 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 12:26 |
| Meizirkki | it lagged first time | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:26 |
| Meizirkki | rebooted and works now | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | on a n800 or n810? | 12:26 |
| Meizirkki | n810 | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, lucky bastard | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | :) | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | so i dont need computer when i got keyboard | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | ? | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | do i select activate console | 12:28 |
| Meizirkki | should wlan work if i install nokias wlan firmware .deb? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | firmware is already referred to, you just need to ln -s to umac.ko to initfs and grab my cx3110x.ko from deblet | 12:30 |
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| Meizirkki | what about usb-networking? | 12:31 |
| Meizirkki | ah, Fn does not work :( | 12:31 |
| Meizirkki | What can i do? :) i'm on root prompt | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | usb networking should work when you select usb networking in rescue menu | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | and then plug it into a usbnet capable machine, nokia sets ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 12:37 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you up for a lazy day today or bat out of hell? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | heh, wikipedia "Due in part to the free and open source nature of Linux and Maemo, porting applications to Maemo is a straightforward procedure." | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: breakfast, coffee and reading for classes | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | I say bollocks! | 12:52 |
| johnx | to which part? | 12:53 |
| lcuk | porting applications is simple, you just have to crack your own framebuffer, construct a graphics library, incorporate support for widget frameworks and then write the applications | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: "straightforward" | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | maybe compared to porting from windows CE to maemo | 12:53 |
| johnx | ah, I figured bollocks to "reading for classes" :) | 12:53 |
| johnx | or possibly coffee | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I don't drink tea or coffee anyway :P | 12:53 |
| lcuk | neat vodka | 12:54 |
| lcuk | or do you have vodka shandy still? | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you don't drink tea or coffee and yet you have energy for all the neck-breaking stuff you do? scary | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:55 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, hes young | 12:55 |
| lcuk | give him a few years | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 12:56 |
| * Stskeeps started at 15 | 12:56 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| lcuk | once he hits 19 or 20 he will be over the hill and begin to show us that he ported backgammon or something | 12:56 |
| lcuk | hmmm virus checker is goin bonkers | 12:57 |
| johnx | that's what they do | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | The joys of windows... | 12:58 |
| lcuk | heh, it scanned 1.5million objects before i noticed it had gone nutes though | 12:58 |
| lcuk | mustv just hit a noisey drive | 12:58 |
| hahlobit | is there clamavv for maemo? | 12:58 |
| Meizirkki | Trying to get usbinternet to my n810 | 12:58 |
| Meizirkki | i can ping my tablet... but bridging does not work yet | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-network-setup/interfaces.deblet | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | may come in usefu | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | l | 12:59 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 12:59 |
| lcuk | johnx, did you join jaiku so you could cheerleader sts, or for some other reason? :D | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: experiment i'm doing.. collaboration over microblogging | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | or keeping eachother up to date since we are timezones apart | 13:00 |
| johnx | ah, so should I post build updates to jaiku instead of IRC then? | 13:00 |
| lcuk | sts, as ive said i really like what you are doing :) | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: either is good | 13:00 |
| lcuk | heh johnx, i pondered posting all my irc directly to jaiku as well | 13:00 |
| lcuk | but figured i'd blow their servers | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i've put some of the packages and such already as links on the #reconstructedPOC channel | 13:01 |
| Mek | hmm, is maemo.org down or is it just me? | 13:01 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I need to follow that too then | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | Mek: not just you | 13:02 |
| Mek | okay | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: it also serves as a kind of backlog we can look back and people who join in can quickly get updated on difficulties/progress/where we are etc | 13:03 |
| johnx | good. I think this is a good compromise format between wiki and irc | 13:03 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i already get those items dont i | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not sure if you see it just cos of me posting to #reconstructedPOC cos you're following me | 13:03 |
| lcuk | only thing i dont like is the webpage "add your jaiku here" i keep pressing return to do a second line and it posts it | 13:04 |
| lcuk | yeah sts, i havent missed any of them | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ~/public_html on trac.* is now accessible on trac.tspre.org/johnx btw | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | for packages and such | 13:05 |
| johnx | sounds good, I'll start uploading to there and following with a jaiku post | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:05 |
| hahlobit | xandros got clamav for eeepc maybe nokia should have it in maemo too :) | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | hahlobit, go for it, see how well it works | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: i've yet to see a virus and since we don't run everything as root or allow people to type in "reboot" or "wget http://somewhere/something; chmod +x; ./something" on people's keyboards, we're fairly safe | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | hahlobit, there's nothing stopping you from compiling it :). Personally I think it's a waste of time having an av on Linux, forget about a ARM device | 13:07 |
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| lcuk | qwerty, you forget malicious code does not just come in binary form | 13:08 |
| lcuk | aren't there plenty of scriptable nasties around? | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Common sense says to check scripts though | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: there seems to be a small bunch of nokia people on jaiku as well so they might follow / join if it gets some more attention | 13:09 |
| johnx | the more the merrier | 13:09 |
| johnx | is jaiku a nokia project? | 13:09 |
| johnx | or is it just more popular in Europe? | 13:09 |
| hahlobit | qwerty12: i heard fsecure is doing testing on maemo, some of their devs looked bonobo for maemo. | 13:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Interesting :). Well, it seems one av company doesn't agree with me :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nah, google thing i think, but it's finnish.. | 13:10 |
| hahlobit | is there gsm phone coming on maemo platform? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: nah, data only HSDPA/3g | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | would you really want earmarks on your tablet? :P | 13:11 |
| hahlobit | ok | 13:11 |
| hahlobit | is that 3g model out already? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | nop, coming .. at some point | 13:12 |
| Veggen | qwerty12: AV companies have an interest in keeping the myth that Linux virues will come in masses similar to Windows when it gets as popular. | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think we'll use jaiku icons to seperate the different issues, - so we can go back and see what things we need nokia to fix/problems etc | 13:12 |
| lcuk | virus writers would like to make that come true | 13:12 |
| meiz_2 | is the jaiku client "mauku" worth of trying? | 13:13 |
| Veggen | lcuk: Linux isn't immune to viruses, but there's inherent differences making them not as likely to spreak. | 13:13 |
| Veggen | eh, spread. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | meiz_2: it's alright | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | hahlobit, everytime you think of a tablet with a phone, look at this first : http://www.cheatcc.com/images/news/oldngage.jpg :P | 13:14 |
| hahlobit | wonder why no linux virus? | 13:14 |
| johnx | it's not worth the time of virus writers | 13:14 |
| lcuk | didnt viruses and rootkits exist here before windows? | 13:14 |
| Veggen | johnx: Wrong. Linux computers tend to be on much more continuously than windows machines, and can therefore be much more useful once you get at them. | 13:15 |
| johnx | hahlobit, why target a small technologically knowledgeable group instead of a big, diverse (but mostly not very knowledgeable) group? | 13:15 |
| lcuk | having a blanket trust of any system is worrying in itself | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think tablets may be useful in terms of bluetooth headsets and such though | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | for phoning | 13:15 |
| lcuk | johnx, you dont target the people, you target the hardware - and that same hardware is running most of the internet | 13:15 |
| johnx | lcuk, agreed. package signing needs to become ubiquitous | 13:15 |
| lcuk | but we just abandoned signed packages for maemo.org repo | 13:16 |
| Veggen | lcuk: Noone does, and that's why it's *always* (well, at least as far back as since I started paying attention) been a habit to for example drop into "nobody"-user for apache... | 13:16 |
| johnx | the other thing is that the software you need to infect is so massively diverse | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | Veggen, Heh :/. For i386 probably, I still don't believe we will see a "horde" of linux viruses on the tablet :). Especially with the tablets being so easy to reflash. Then again, a virus that destroys mtd0 *shudders* | 13:16 |
| lcuk | destructive viruses are rare nowadays | 13:17 |
| Veggen | qwerty12: I don't believe we'll see a mass of badly written programs that require ordinary users to run as root or have such rights all over the file system. | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | you still occasionally here about people firing up their amigas and inserting old disks | 13:17 |
| lcuk | its like ebola outbreaks | 13:17 |
| Veggen | qwerty: Windows' virus-problems these days largely are due to that very old habit. | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i still wonder how much damage is possible to do with extras upload.. you could potentially override some base packages | 13:18 |
| lcuk | agreed | 13:18 |
| lcuk | so if one extras uploaded was compromised it could be a problem | 13:18 |
| lcuk | uploader ^ | 13:18 |
| lcuk | i quite liked the signing process | 13:19 |
| lcuk | it was a pain in the arse, but gave it that offical stamp | 13:19 |
| johnx | Veggen, but any program installed can have a postinst run as root | 13:19 |
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| hahlobit | have you seen rootkits on maemo? | 13:20 |
| lcuk | no, but why do that - the entire kernel can be replaced | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | hahlobit, http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/rkhunter_1.3.2-5_all.deb - rootkit hunter, knock yourself out :P | 13:21 |
| lcuk | heh - in a discussion about viruses i dont think anyone will install a random deb | 13:21 |
| lcuk | even from you qwerty | 13:21 |
| hahlobit | that for maemo cool | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 13:21 |
| lcuk | especially from you actually :P | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, it's from itT user free, who's been around for a long time :P | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, :P. Fine, I'll scrutenize liqbase closely when I upgrade it :P | 13:22 |
| lcuk | great, please do qwerty, i removed the root requirement for just this reason discussed now | 13:22 |
| meiz_2 | maemo.org still down :( | 13:23 |
| lcuk | the cpu adjustments now are the only things run with sudo | 13:23 |
| johnx | eh, viruses that run as root are totally unnecessary | 13:23 |
| lcuk | agreed johnx, still a lot of valuable stuff in there without | 13:23 |
| hahlobit | wonder is there many webservers on maemo | 13:23 |
| johnx | opening ports, reading browser cache, running as a daemon | 13:23 |
| johnx | hahlobit, plenty | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, it was kinda dodgy running liqbase as root as you once did because that messed up ownership of files :P | 13:24 |
| lcuk | yeah i know - its fine now though :) | 13:24 |
| proto | meiz_2, maemo is up now :) | 13:25 |
| meiz_2 | ok | 13:25 |
| lcuk | do you think we will have nice fast maemo.org after this service break? | 13:25 |
| lcuk | "The operation timed out when attempting to contact maemo.org." | 13:25 |
| proto | lcuk: Impressive job with liqbase | 13:25 |
| lcuk | thank you proto :) | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, same here | 13:26 |
| lcuk | thank you qwerty :p | 13:26 |
| * qwerty12 slaps himself for even thinking about switching to KDE from GNOME | 13:26 | |
| proto | well, I dont know shit about programmin but still seem 9cool | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, timing out that is :P. You've heard my complements towards liqbase before :P | 13:27 |
| proto | lcuk, I leaved a message on the maemo forum | 13:27 |
| lcuk | recently or a couple of months ago? | 13:28 |
| proto | about helping you out with graphics in case | 13:28 |
| proto | mh, a couple of hours ago I think | 13:28 |
| proto | seem pretty recent to me | 13:29 |
| lcuk | mmmm find the post cos theres nothin on the thread and my mail hasnt binged | 13:29 |
| * lcuk has neglected slashdot this year | 13:30 | |
| hahlobit | apt-cache search apache didn't find any? | 13:30 |
| lcuk | ive dropped my stats on seenonslash :( | 13:30 |
| johnx | hahlobit, try lighthttpd (sp?) | 13:30 |
| hahlobit | ok | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, for you: | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | ~slashdot | 13:30 |
| infobot | Slashdot Headlines (6 of 15): Irish GSM Providers Asked to Track Users' Web Use ;; OpenSolaris 2008.11 – Year of the Laptop? ;; China Hijacks Popular BitTorrent Sites ;; Amazon's Cloud Data Center to Follow Google to Oregon ;; Microsoft Working On Its Own App Store ;; NYCL Responds to RIAA Accusations. | 13:31 |
| lcuk | nice | 13:31 |
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| hahlobit | nokia got port of apache for symbian (raccoon) i thought they port it maemo too | 13:32 |
| johnx | it's available somewhere I'm sure | 13:33 |
| johnx | but why do you need apache? | 13:33 |
| johnx | it doesn't need to be "ported" just recompiled and repackaged | 13:34 |
| lcuk | because its backend surely it doesnt need "porting" it should just be a case of building it ? | 13:34 |
| lcuk | mainly | 13:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | hahlobit, lighttpd (which would run a hell of a lot better on the tablets) is available at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=235084&postcount=19 | 13:34 |
| johnx | but "porting" is kind of an amorphous word | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | apache2 is in extras and on garage afaik | 13:34 |
| hahlobit | but with symbian it was port | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | symbian ain't linux | 13:35 |
| hahlobit | nice to have apache on phone too | 13:35 |
| johnx | I'm still trying to figure out why you want apache over something faster and smaller? | 13:36 |
| hahlobit | no reason just know it | 13:37 |
| proto | httpd on maemo sound amazing to me | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | Proto, this is amazing https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4816/wp_nokia1.jpg ive seen the swirly nokia logo before (i went to the website they have lots of nice things) but the background somehow feels like escher mixed up with xkcd | 13:40 |
| * lcuk loves pencil drawings | 13:41 | |
| Stskeeps | is that bacon in one of the bubbles? | 13:41 |
| proto | lol, thanks, I just grabbed a screenshot from the nokia marketing clip | 13:41 |
| proto | oh, uhm, no | 13:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think so | 13:43 |
| lcuk | don't believe proto :P | 13:43 |
| proto | I was refering to then new wallpaper | 13:43 |
| proto | you are right | 13:43 |
| proto | damn it, I didnt think I uploaded that | 13:43 |
| proto | I guess I should remove it from there | 13:43 |
| lcuk | thats a shame | 13:44 |
| lcuk | i really like it | 13:44 |
| * lcuk adds a monitor for that thingy | 13:44 | |
| proto | well, I didnt make it, I just paste the nokia logo on a probably copyrighted pic | 13:45 |
| proto | take it | 13:45 |
| proto | ill probably remove it in a couple of days | 13:45 |
| proto | :) | 13:45 |
| proto | well, Im nearly bored with that stupid theme | 13:45 |
| lcuk | heh, your new desktop https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4819/085sshot_home_black.jpg looks cool as well | 13:46 |
| lcuk | im reminded of the flash version of portal for some reason | 13:46 |
| proto | yes, that is the nokia clip screenshot | 13:47 |
| proto | dman it really late | 13:48 |
| proto | father wait me for lunch | 13:48 |
| proto | see you soon guy | 13:48 |
| proto | happy sunday | 13:48 |
| johnx | 'later | 13:48 |
| lcuk | cya proto | 13:48 |
| johnx | heh...end of sunday here :/ | 13:48 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:49 |
| * lcuk has a happy sunday | 13:49 | |
| * lcuk jumps for joy \o/ | 13:49 | |
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| mlpug | is maemo.org website up-and-running properly? I cant access it while other sites tend to work ok | 14:00 |
| mlpug | "The server at maemo.org is taking too long to respond." | 14:01 |
| johnx | looks down from here | 14:01 |
| Meizirkki2 | There are many "icy" packages available at http://repository.handhelds.org/ | 14:03 |
| johnx | yeah, saw that, but I think it's still pretty slim compared to hasty | 14:04 |
| johnx | still, more are showing up every day | 14:04 |
| * johnx is jealous of mojo's build farm | 14:04 | |
| Meizirkki2 | yep, waiting for armv6el-vfp release.. | 14:04 |
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| johnx | well an armv5el release would be interesting too :) | 14:06 |
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| Meizirkki2 | thinking about the time, its only week when interpid came offical... | 14:08 |
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| eichi | hello | 14:11 |
| eichi | is there somewhere a maemo sdk qemu image? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | think there's a vmware one.. | 14:12 |
| GNUton | is planet.maemo.org down? | 14:13 |
| Mek | everything.maemo.org is down I think | 14:13 |
| GNUton | Mek: that's great | 14:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 'cept garage + the repos | 14:14 |
| lcuk | uuuurg http://dailycostume.com/archive/reallydamnscary/ she would have no problem coding everything, got plenty of hands | 14:15 |
| mlpug | can I introspect what dbus services in n810 are available for my application to use? for example, does gpsd offer geolocation coordinates for my application to use? | 14:20 |
| camel_liu | Does anybody have a sample about how to play ogg video in maemo? | 14:23 |
| camel_liu | I can play a .ogg file's audio, but cannot play its video. | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: glib in the .tar.gz is your package btw | 14:24 |
| johnx | :D | 14:24 |
| johnx | libosso is up, I *think* gtk must be close to finished | 14:24 |
| johnx | any request for the next build? for now I'm running separate builds on both machines. after gtk finishes I'll switch to distcc | 14:25 |
| camel_liu | The window is flashing in different color when play a .ogg, but I can hear its audio. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: sec, might have one | 14:27 |
| bergie | there is a new database server coming for maemo.org, so this might be the downtime for that. not sure | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hildon-1 i guess is next logical step | 14:28 |
| johnx | depends on gtk, right? | 14:28 |
| johnx | <- duh of course it does john | 14:29 |
| lcuk | bergie, finally upgrading maemo.org to a new n810 then | 14:29 |
| bergie | lcuk: I'm more waiting for friday when we upgrade midgard there :-) | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and on that only of the stuff we're messing about with | 14:29 |
| lcuk | excellent bergie, hope it goes smoothly | 14:29 |
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| johnx | hopefully gtk will finish before I go to bed and hildon-1 can compile overnight to give distcc a good test | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | should be done with --with-maemo-gtk=yes i guess (if it's not default on) | 14:31 |
| johnx | check | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | MAEMO_CHANGES or something | 14:33 |
| johnx | looks like it defaults to enabled | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:35 |
| johnx | think it's reasonable to build without docs for now? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | verify when configure runs i guess | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | proof of concept, not final system | 14:35 |
| johnx | the time spent on docs is kind of ridiculous | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | i forsake scrollkeeper and all it's evil as well | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:35 |
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| johnx | alright, no more builds with docs | 14:37 |
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| johnx | I don't even know if xsltproc is still working or if it just fell into a loop :/ | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:49 |
| camel_liu | Does anyone know how to program to play .ogv or .swf using gstreamer? | 14:49 |
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| Meizirkki2 | now installing qemu... | 15:10 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i am right in thinking i can use qemu and your image from windows aren't i | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the .tar.gz? right now it's a thing that boot on the tablet | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | jffs2 images are bootable on qemu but i havent released those yet | 15:13 |
| lcuk | is it possible to just grab the standard maemo one and boot with that | 15:14 |
| lcuk | or wont it work | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it is | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | read hrw's postings on it | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | but you need to do some tricky stuff to get it to boot properly i guess | 15:14 |
| lcuk | cool, cos obviously windows install will appeal to some users | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/install-MR-sdk where i get my qemu from | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | and toolchains and sb2 | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki2 | yhanks | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki2 | t* | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | (requires a lot of stuff. git, svn, etc.) | 15:15 |
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| Meizirkki2 | what was that command to debootstrap minimum system? | 15:21 |
| Meizirkki2 | *rootfs | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase hasty /target mirror | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 15:23 |
| johnx | sounds right. and remember that mirror is required | 15:23 |
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| amrileria | does anyone have a good pointer to doc where I can see how to implement xmlhttprequest from my rich client in python. I couldn't find any. | 15:27 |
| johnx | interesting. running ifconfig in ubuntu on the n800 has a non-zero chance of causing the machine to hang and reboot | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | my booted image? | 15:34 |
| johnx | mine actually | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:34 |
| johnx | think it's related to wireless | 15:35 |
| johnx | I might as well install yours at this point though and work up from it | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:35 |
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| Meizirkki2 | i an willing to try run armv6 release in qemu | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | mm - make a ttyS2 in etc/event.d in same manner as tty1, add ttyS2 to /etc/securetty | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | passwd root | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | get poky-nokia800-flashutil | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | mkfs.jffs2 -o file.jffs2 -e 128KiB -n -v -r /where/your/sys/is | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | poky-nokia800-flashutil file.jffs2 n800.flash rootfs | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | flasher-3.0 -u -F a nokia firmware image, and grab zImage from it | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | and then qemu-system-arm -M n800 -cpu arm1136-rw -kernel zImage -mtdblock n800.flash -m 130M --append="root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 console=ttyS2" -serial vc -serial vc -serial stdio | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | .. and then it should start booting, may wait a while at initial mount | 15:58 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | good luck :P | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | and beware, if you want to replace the jffs2 image in it, rm the old one first, or you get funkeh errors | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the n800.flash one | 16:01 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:05 |
| johnx | I never used rescue menu until now. It's definitely very cool :) | 16:05 |
| johnx | hi lopz | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: very useful indeed | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | much can be said about XP's F8-on-boot, but it is actually bloody useful | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:11 |
| johnx | except when it isn't | 16:12 |
| johnx | whereas init=/bin/sh will almost always get you *somewhere* | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:12 |
| johnx | the main reason I use linux is I got fed up with things going wrong in windows and having no way to fix them | 16:13 |
| johnx | really quiet news day O_o | 16:14 |
| Meizirkki2 | maybe is't best if i just let that qemu thing go... | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: hehe, it will emulate a little faster than n800 but not much more | 16:17 |
| Meizirkki2 | I have n o idea how can i make it work, so i'll just play littlebit more with my n810. | 16:17 |
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| Meizirkki2 | your 123mb flash thing looks great | 16:19 |
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| camel_liu | how can I play a video using gstreamer in scratchbox? | 16:21 |
| camel_liu | gst-launch filesrc location=Ballun2008.ogg ! oggdemux ! theoradec ! xvimagesink | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i would ideally like to have base user experience around 100mb-110mb | 16:21 |
| johnx|n800 | my desktop just shut off and won't turn on. might take me a bit longer to finish builds :/ | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | hate when that happens, johnx|n800 :P | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'll get a maemo gtk build going then | 16:21 |
| camel_liu | It returns: Could not open display | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | camel_liu: export DISPLAY=:0 or something | 16:22 |
| johnx|n800 | yeah. don't really have another x86 box right now :| | 16:22 |
| camel_liu | I use: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x24 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite | 16:22 |
| camel_liu | and export DISPLAY=:2 | 16:22 |
| camel_liu | xvimagesink.c(1348): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstXvImageSink:xvimagesink0: | 16:23 |
| camel_liu | No port available | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | xephyr cannot do xv | 16:24 |
| camel_liu | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server | 16:24 |
| lcuk | hrw couldnt get mplayer nor liqbase running in emulated environment for the same reason | 16:24 |
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| camel_liu | that is when export DISPLAY=:0 | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | camel_liu: you're better off testing on tablet for this | 16:25 |
| johnx|n800 | it lives! | 16:26 |
| camel_liu | video cannot test in scratchbox? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woo! | 16:26 |
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| derf | camel_liu: What's wrong with just using playbin? | 16:27 |
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| camel_liu | derf, how to just use playbin? | 16:28 |
| derf | gst-launch playbin uri=file:///path/to/file | 16:29 |
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| johnx | well that put me pretty close to panic for a while O_o | 16:29 |
| camel_liu | let me try | 16:29 |
| Meizirkki2 | ls | 16:30 |
| Meizirkki2 | sorry :) | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you're not on an android phone | 16:30 |
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| Meizirkki2 | no | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i have that with my work stuff.. even though i'm insured up the wazoo, i would -hate- to break something | 16:30 |
| camel_liu | return: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified | 16:30 |
| johnx | normally, I'd just be frustrated but if this box dies it might be a while before I can replace it | 16:31 |
| derf | Set your DISPLAY to point back to :2 | 16:31 |
| camel_liu | what should I set export DISPLAY? | 16:31 |
| camel_liu | DONE! | 16:31 |
| camel_liu | derf, it's DONE! | 16:32 |
| camel_liu | thanks | 16:32 |
| derf | Yer welcome. | 16:32 |
| Meizirkki2 | sorry about my english skills, stskeeps, what did you mean with that android phone? | 16:32 |
| derf | camel_liu: Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with Theora? | 16:33 |
| johnx | there's a bug on the new android phones that cause anything typed on them to be executed as a command by root | 16:33 |
| camel_liu | then, what's the sink should be in program? | 16:33 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 16:33 |
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| camel_liu | I have a plan with maemo and N800. I'm trying to figure out a bussiness plan about an especial application of a handheld like N800 in China. | 16:35 |
| camel_liu | I think it's a big bussiness. | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you remember to dpkg -i your own packages when compiling the next step btw? | 16:37 |
| johnx | yes, of course | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 16:37 |
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| johnx | heh...I only got one step in though | 16:37 |
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| johnx | so did you start a maemo-gtk build? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, setting up my environment for it | 16:38 |
| camel_liu | derf, what should I use in sink element? | 16:39 |
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| Meizirkki2 | For m-r ui, Is the hildon good choise? | 16:40 |
| Meizirkki2 | i mean is it going to be with hildon and matchbox | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: that's initial goal -but- the goal is that it should be a versatile platform | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | if people want to run u-m interface, lxde, etc, they can | 16:41 |
| Meizirkki2 | oks | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | and there won't be a "hack" feeling about it | 16:41 |
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| Meizirkki2 | but with 250 mb flash it won't be possible to install another desktop environment into nit | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: aufs, clone to SD | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of possibilities. | 16:42 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 16:42 |
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| Meizirkki2 | i cannot kick myself... | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's just about supporting it sanely in the system so it isnt a hack | 16:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its usable :D http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_143957.gary.scr.png | 16:43 |
| Meizirkki2 | i mean that i tried to kick myself from this channel :) | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: /part :P | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | you cannot kick yourself :> | 16:45 |
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| Meizirkki2 | is there a repository or a place where on the internet where you have those .debs like kerner-diablo-modules? | 16:47 |
| Meizirkki2 | *place in the internet | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | packages.tspre.org | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | in pool/ | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki2 | are there arm packages too | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | not yet :P | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki2 | or armel | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | armel | 16:48 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: could you make sdcard debians for nokia phones too :) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: with a very large hammer and a useless result.. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki2 | :D | 16:49 |
| hahlobit | pity | 16:49 |
| hahlobit | i would like debian in n95 too | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it's slightly easier getting other linux types on n8x0's than on n95s, which afaik has signed firmware | 16:50 |
| hahlobit | iphone got linux | 16:50 |
| johnx | iphone has more people working on it | 16:50 |
| hahlobit | ok | 16:50 |
| johnx | you could be do your part in getting linux on the n95 though :) | 16:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, signing was cracked a long time ago | 16:51 |
| Meizirkki2 | debian would be nice on my 5500 with 208x208 screen | 16:52 |
| hahlobit | hackndev guys spoke booting communicator from sdcard but didn't see it | 16:53 |
| Meizirkki2 | what packages i have to install for bootable hasty? | 16:56 |
| johnx | why not just start with Stskeeps' minbase .tgz? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | he's trying with armv6 | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh, hasty? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | then use my tar.gz? :P | 16:57 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 16:57 |
| johnx | debootstrap an image, install boot basics, | 16:57 |
| Meizirkki2 | is there armv6 .tar.gz | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | to get to my result you need to install boot basics, copy /etc/init.d/deblet-boot-basics from armv5 .tar.gz, install udev, cp in fb0, fb1, fb2, etc :P | 16:58 |
| Meizirkki2 | only boot-basics is enough? | 16:58 |
| Meizirkki2 | thanks | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | .. and the fbcon stuff | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a easy feat :) | 16:58 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | you may be easier off simply replacing each package in armv5 one with their armv6 counterpa | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | r | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | t | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: isn't n95 and n800 same base board? | 16:59 |
| johnx | aaactually, couldn't you switch repos and pin the armv6 repo higher to force a reinstall? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, both bb5, both use same processor | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: but may fail cos i did docpurge | 17:00 |
| johnx | it shouldn't, should be a straight upgrade | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:00 |
| johnx | either way, it's a faster result than manually hacking around building a bootable system | 17:01 |
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| Meizirkki2 | ok | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: if you're bored you can attempt with getting X running and such on armv5, xserver from deblet should work just fine | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | we can move to armv6 when we've gotten the various packages built and such | 17:02 |
| johnx | I'll be able to start building gtk with distcc in a couple minutes, if you haven't started yet | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | and make an installer that puts stuff on top, like deblet does it | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you're also welcome to take source packages from deblet such as deblet-boot-basics, update it with the tar.gz version of the script, and dpkg-buildpackage it :) | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | so we have it | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think mine will take atleast 10 mins before it's easy | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | my attempt is qemu chroot of it with distcc somewhere else | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | easy=able | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | so just go ahead with yours.. im wondering if mine will be okay, two different gcc versions it seems | 17:07 |
| johnx | it *should* be | 17:07 |
| johnx | maybe we should both try unless you have other things to work on | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's just running right now | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | and reading for classes | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | better to have two attempts going if one fails ;) | 17:08 |
| johnx | and if both fail, we'll learn twice as much :) | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | packages that don't respect CC= are fail. | 17:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | o | 17:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | k | 17:18 |
| johnx | well, there goes both of our plans | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah, lovely, it did repsect it | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's funky | 17:19 |
| Meizirkki2 | i was doing my homework :X | 17:21 |
| Meizirkki2 | i almost have booting armv6 now :) | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm watching gtk compile | 17:23 |
| Meizirkki2 | well anyway i am just a kid, so i might just think i am smart enough to do that :P | 17:23 |
| Meizirkki2 | to make it bootable | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:23 |
| johnx | you should be able to. it's tricky, but totally doable | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | linuxrc makes things a -lot- easie | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | r | 17:23 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | less initfs crap to deal with | 17:24 |
| johnx | as soon as you can get a shell of some sort, it gets a lot easier | 17:24 |
| Meizirkki2 | i debootstrapped armv6 on top os Stskeeps unpacked armv5. | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | that works? :P | 17:25 |
| Meizirkki2 | and i know that was not smart | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not confident it isn't directly impossible either | 17:25 |
| Meizirkki2 | i have'nt tride yet | 17:25 |
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| Meizirkki2 | *tried | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | you may have some inconsistent package state but files stay | 17:26 |
| Meizirkki2 | (or whatever | 17:26 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 17:26 |
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| * Stskeeps wanders down to get some more coffee | 17:27 | |
| Meizirkki2 | i think it would boot now, but i'll try to install needed packages.... | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | if you sense any kind of speedup, i'm all ears | 17:29 |
| Meizirkki2 | one of my first tries with mojo: i accidentally debootstrapped it on top of deblet, and many things worked better, like locales, and it did not nagg about missing kernel modules... | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. progress often happens by accident | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | "hmm, that's funny" | 17:30 |
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| Meizirkki2 | Is there anything i can test the speed of hasty? | 17:31 |
| johnx | gtkperf maybe? | 17:31 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 17:32 |
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| Meizirkki2 | i can install and generate locales, but how can i set the default locale? | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | af'noon all | 17:34 |
| lcuk | hey there jaffa | 17:34 |
| Meizirkki2 | wohoo! i made it | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:40 |
| Meizirkki2 | bootable armv6, | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | with console? :) | 17:41 |
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| Meizirkki2 | yep | 17:41 |
| Meizirkki2 | every time i install mojo, i have to flash bootmenu | 17:41 |
| Meizirkki2 | weird | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | weird | 17:41 |
| Meizirkki2 | otherways, linuxrc wont work | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to micro-document the achievement on #reconstructedPOC | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | on what you did to get there | 17:42 |
| Meizirkki2 | Maybe it boots because i debootstrapped on top of your rootfs :P | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | damn, gtk is still compiling | 17:48 |
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| Meizirkki2 | it takes sooooooo long | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | p.m.o down? | 18:04 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | bah | 18:05 |
| Meizirkki2 | maemo.org has been down whole day | 18:05 |
| Meizirkki2 | GMT +2 :p | 18:05 |
| * Jaffa is in the mood for some Valable hacking, but is at parents' unexpectedly | 18:06 | |
| GAN800 | Servers are moving. :/ | 18:06 |
| Meizirkki2 | should i try go make x work? | 18:06 |
| johnx | I wonder why they didn't just plug in wireless cards and big UPS devices... | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: hadn't that already happened? Or is this a physical move of the new h/w? | 18:07 |
| Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: i'll install hildon an try if it works? | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Doing things "out-of-hours" makes *least* sense when it's a hobbyist community, IMHO | 18:07 |
| nemo | Jaffa: p.m.o WFM | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: get xserver working first, get xserver-xomap from deblet and look at /etc/default/x-server.defs | 18:08 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | and use the last part as parameters for X | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | you may need to fb_update_mode manual | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | and then see if you can get u-m running i guess | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki2 | u-m = ubuntu-mobile? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | that itself is kinda a neat showoff :P | 18:10 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 18:10 |
| Meizirkki2 | it is gonna take some time with ky | 18:10 |
| Meizirkki2 | * my skills and my internet speed | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i had a open source project going when it was 57.6kbps and i was 15, stop complaining ;) | 18:11 |
| Meizirkki2 | i have 54kb/s and i am 14! :D | 18:11 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: hah. you kids and your fast modems | 18:11 |
| Meizirkki2 | so i WILL complain | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | oh, now qwerty12 isn't the youngest anymore, neat | 18:11 |
| Meizirkki2 | hehe | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | nemo: i -did- use a 14.4kbps in the beginning :P | 18:12 |
| nemo | we counted ourselves lucky if our BBS had 2400bps :D | 18:12 |
| Meizirkki2 | i should download everyhing at school, 9800kb/s | 18:12 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: I reiterate :-p | 18:12 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: were you involved linux 0.1 then :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: i'm 24 now :P | 18:12 |
| hahlobit | oh | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | so no, but i did try debian back in 95 or so | 18:13 |
| johnx | when you were 10?! | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | i coded pascal somewhat sanely at 9, so | 18:14 |
| johnx | ahaha...I got into the game late | 18:14 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: hey! me too! | 18:14 |
| johnx | I could barely type until I was 13 | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | and c64 basic at 6-7 | 18:14 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: my mom sent me to local community college to learn pascal :) | 18:14 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: it was *the language* back then | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:14 |
| * Stskeeps was mostly self-taught | 18:14 | |
| johnx | hey, at least it wasn't COBOL | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, servers are being moved to a new physical location. | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | my parents had a cobol book | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | i read it for a while and then gave up | 18:15 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: but, I'm surprised you were still learning pascal at 9, it was already descendant at the time | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | I don't think there are any real upgrades going on, though. :\ | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | nemo: poor family. old equipment, used polypascal and turbo pascal | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | on a 80286 | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Ta for the info. BTW, seen the -devel thread about CLI apps in AM? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | so learnt how to use a computer to the fullest and appreciate the equipment that's working | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: '86 personally (Turbo Pascal) | 18:16 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, yeah, I may wade into that one when I'm back home | 18:16 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: I infer from you giving your age you learned TP in '95 | 18:17 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, personally, I don't have an issue with commandline tools like wget, nano and ssh being in user/utilities | 18:17 |
| nemo | er. | 18:17 |
| nemo | '87 | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | nemo: nah, this was tp 5-6-7 or something | 18:18 |
| nemo | and actually might have been '88 - if mom signs on, I'll ask her | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | i was 3 years old in 84 | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | er | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | 87 | 18:18 |
| GAN800 | tz sort of muddied the discussion with more of his Red Pill nonsense. | 18:18 |
| zakkm | i was 1 year old in 1992 ;p | 18:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | I have been playing with linux almost my whole age because my family have used linux since it was 1998 | 18:18 |
| nemo | kiiiids! | 18:18 |
| nemo | ahhh | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, same :P | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: True. They seem different to filesystems etc, though. Perhaps it's not CLI/non-CLI, but root/non-root? | 18:18 |
| nemo | kidding. I'm still a kid. yes. | 18:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | you hate kids? | 18:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | a | 18:19 |
| nemo | no. just feeling old :( | 18:19 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:19 |
| Meizirkki2 | :P | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Ditto | 18:19 |
| nemo | but then, one of my coworkers is in his 60s | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | i feel old when my nephew starts learning python & php | 18:19 |
| nemo | and he is as much a hacker as ever | 18:19 |
| zakkm | oh qwerty12: i saw you came out with the android release (kernel v2 or something), is it worth trying? | 18:19 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, that makes sense to me | 18:19 |
| * Jaffa was programming BBC BASIC when he was 8 in 1985 - so not /that/old now | 18:19 | |
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| qwerty12 | zakkm, that's pretty old now. I haven't touched android in a long time | 18:19 |
| nemo | Jaffa: hey, I found some of my old basic programs from back then | 18:19 |
| zakkm | o. | 18:20 |
| nemo | Jaffa: they are pretty crappy - wanna laugh at 'em? :) | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | nemo: heh | 18:20 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, I don't think Red Pill or SDK repos are at all relevant to the discussion. | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Agreed | 18:20 |
| * Jaffa goes to wake up the boy | 18:20 | |
| nemo | Actually, I was still coding in qbasic at 13 *sigh* - I didn't learn proper languages 'till later | 18:21 |
| nemo | so you guys are all ahead of me | 18:21 |
| nemo | the pascal I never used outside the community college | 18:21 |
| * Stskeeps moved on to C from there | 18:21 | |
| nemo | yep | 18:21 |
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| Meizirkki2 | but i have never been good with coding... | 18:22 |
| johnx | I started TI-Basic at 14, then jumped into an intermediate class on C and miraculously didn't fail | 18:22 |
| nemo | C was a joy after pascal, frankly. Never understood what the instructor saw in pascal | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: plenty of time to learn | 18:22 |
| nemo | annoying freakin' language | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i -think- my gtk is finishing up | 18:22 |
| * zakkm learned something called Turing, in beginner programming in grade 10. | 18:22 | |
| johnx | I forgot to give make -j4 | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't do that either | 18:22 |
| * Stskeeps did c64 basic, then poly/turbo pascal, c, then c++, then java at uni and now at python | 18:22 | |
| johnx | which is fine, it's all happening on my desktop | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | (of preferred languages) | 18:23 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: I think Javascript is ascendant in the interpreted languages :) | 18:23 |
| zakkm | Anyone know if a ipod touch screen protector will fit my nokia n800 perfectly? | 18:23 |
| nemo | but Python is definitely ahead of Ruby | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but python is just delicious :P | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | it allows me to prototype what i want and do it in a manner that fits with my education | 18:23 |
| johnx | I always liked scheme, just never had a chance to use it | 18:23 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: I'm stick with Perl until python gets a set of libs as large as CPAN :-p | 18:23 |
| Meizirkki2 | where can i get libts0 for mojo? | 18:24 |
| nemo | oh. and I despise their use of whitespace | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: it's in universe/multiverse | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | just add the sources.list from the dist page | 18:24 |
| nemo | so, I suppose I'll have to write a shell script that autotransforms a more C-like python into standard | 18:24 |
| nemo | after writing it | 18:24 |
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| Meizirkki2 | thanks, i haven't updated my sources.list yet, so there is only main | 18:24 |
| GAN800 | zakkm, the iPhone screen is a half-inch smaller. . . . | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: get a boxwave one. i love them. | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me its soon time to replace or clean mine | 18:25 |
| GAN800 | I wish all of maemo.org worked as well as Bugzilla | 18:25 |
| zakkm | ah no, i have alot of uhh bootleg malls in my city ( Toronto, Canada) and they sell cheap ipod touch screen protectors | 18:26 |
| zakkm | for like $3-5 | 18:26 |
| zakkm | so i was just wondering :p | 18:26 |
| zakkm | Mine is so scratched up ( havent removed the one it came with, yet ) | 18:26 |
| nemo | you guys are so careless | 18:26 |
| nemo | my SO's iphone screen is still flawless | 18:26 |
| nemo | and I bought it for her 1½y ago | 18:26 |
| nemo | her battery still works great too | 18:27 |
| zakkm | nemo: i bought my nokia used - it came already scratched | 18:27 |
| johnx | your SO's battery? | 18:27 |
| nemo | oh. nokia | 18:27 |
| zakkm | n800 - $145. | 18:27 |
| nemo | johnx: heh | 18:27 |
| nemo | johnx: that too :-p | 18:27 |
| nemo | zakkm: thought you were talking about your ipod touch | 18:27 |
| zakkm | no | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | nemo: she has it stored in the safe? :P | 18:27 |
| nemo | does the n800 have less hard of plastic? | 18:27 |
| nemo | Stskeeps: she takes it everywhere, she's just more careful :-p | 18:27 |
| zakkm | alot of places sell ipod touch screen protectors cheap.. so i was just wondering if i could buy that for my nokia | 18:27 |
| nemo | leaves it docked when at home to not stress battery | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woo, all done | 18:28 |
| johnx | nice. you beat me to it by a long shot | 18:28 |
| johnx | but my distcc env is at least setup | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, well you had a computer temporarily dying too ;) | 18:29 |
| johnx | yeah, and the ensuing near heart attack O_o | 18:29 |
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| Meizirkki2 | okay, where can i get libhall? | 18:31 |
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| Meizirkki2 | xserver-xomap deps on it | 18:32 |
| johnx | probably from the deblet package repo | 18:33 |
| Meizirkki2 | it is not there | 18:33 |
| Meizirkki2 | trying to find it from debian repos next. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | libhal should be in ubuntu really | 18:34 |
| johnx | libhal1 maybe instead of libhall ? | 18:34 |
| Meizirkki2 | that might be it | 18:34 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep, thanks | 18:35 |
| zakkm | how goes the ubuntu on NIT? | 18:36 |
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| johnx | it goes, it goes :) | 18:36 |
| Meizirkki2 | great! | 18:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, what cross gcc are you using on your desktop? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | codesourcery | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | gcc-4.3 something | 18:37 |
| johnx | 2008q3? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 18:37 |
| johnx | ok, I'm getting some slightly worrying messages from it | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | the rdlo, stuff? | 18:38 |
| johnx | such as: arm-linux-gnu-gcc: unrecognized option '-pthread' | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 18:38 |
| johnx | and alsom some fairly cryptic stuff about enum | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i do have a fairly odd distcc setup so | 18:38 |
| * Stskeeps uploads maemo-gtk packages | 18:39 | |
| Stskeeps | i don't understand my connection - earlier i was scping to my uni with about 5mb/s | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | scping back again, 150kb/s | 18:41 |
| zakkm | does kde4 kill the nokia's battery and cpu ? | 18:41 |
| Meizirkki2 | yes it does | 18:41 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, complain to the sys admin :D | 18:41 |
| zakkm | i love going through show your screenshots .. threads | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw meiz's gallery? http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810# | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | most of the last scrshots are very itneresting | 18:43 |
| Meizirkki2 | wow, i am getting some respect xD | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | for a guy who claimed he never compiled a package, you're doing alright | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:43 |
| johnx | yes, whatever you did, keep doing it :D | 18:44 |
| Meizirkki2 | i am just overblown betatester | 18:44 |
| johnx | everyone starts out that way | 18:44 |
| Meizirkki2 | :) | 18:44 |
| zakkm | Meizirkki2: hows lxde on the tablet? ( know it from my old desktop ) | 18:44 |
| Meizirkki2 | It is good | 18:45 |
| zakkm | my friend wants to use it for his future linux desktop (hes waiting for a new pc purchase) and i want to be able to show him it first | 18:46 |
| Meizirkki2 | i like Deblet with LXDE a lot. | 18:46 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | maemo gtk package on jaiku | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm.. gtk20-l10n | 18:49 |
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| Meizirkki2 | *STUPID GUESTION ALERT* | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki2 | What are these packages for? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | maemo gtk? | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki2 | YEP | 18:52 |
| johnx | Meizirkki, ah, they're the "maemo version" of gtk | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki2 | sorry | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: any objections against using https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/l10n/gtk20-l10n_4.2.tar.gz for gtk20-l10n? | 18:52 |
| johnx | nokia makes slight changes to their version of gtk compared to ubuntu or debian | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | seems to be the fremantle one (4.2 and all) | 18:52 |
| johnx | so a .tar.gz instead of a .deb? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's a source package | 18:53 |
| johnx | ah, well then no problem | 18:53 |
| johnx | I assumed we'd use most of the maemo-customized packages | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | this one doesnt exist in normal gtk so | 18:54 |
| Meizirkki2 | what was that file i need to edit alter installing xserver-xomap? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | see /etc/default/x-server.defs | 18:54 |
| Meizirkki2 | thanks | 18:54 |
| johnx | so you're moving up to hildon? if so, I'll start cairo | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | for the parameters to give to X | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | alright, - gtk isn't terribly optimized though | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | not sure which one gcc targeted | 18:55 |
| johnx | heh...actually that's kinda scary | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'll recompile if it becomes an issue :P | 18:55 |
| johnx | the mojo gcc should target whatever sub arch it came from: armv5el or armv6el, etc | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but distcc | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
| Meizirkki2 | i have to change something? everything looks good here... | 18:55 |
| johnx | but the code sourcery one probably targets armv4t | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: well there's no script to actually start X | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | so just X <the parameters from there> | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | so something like X :1 -nolisten tcp -wr etc etc | 18:56 |
| johnx | but don't do that unless you have another way to get into the tablet, such as ssh or telnet :) | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and do Xomap instead or X | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | X may use the xorg driver which dies | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | instead of | 18:57 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 18:57 |
| zakkm | wow lol | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki2 | is this good enough to work: Xomap :0 -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp | 19:00 |
| johnx | yeah, should work | 19:00 |
| zakkm | anyone know why theres a vertical "line" on left of "home" | 19:00 |
| zakkm | right*** | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: for U-m you want :1 instead probably | 19:00 |
| zakkm | it doesnt go all the way down though | 19:01 |
| zakkm | 96 dpi? | 19:01 |
| zakkm | seems small :P | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: you might have tslib calibration problems | 19:01 |
| zakkm | thought the nokia has 225 ? | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki2 | I can change start-hildon script to use :1 | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki2 | *:0 | 19:01 |
| johnx | zakkm, this line: is it a software thing or a hardware thing? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | true | 19:01 |
| zakkm | software | 19:02 |
| Meizirkki2 | i should remove -mouse tslib? | 19:02 |
| zakkm | nuvoclear2 theme | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: does /etc/pointercal exist? | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | and /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare or something like that | 19:02 |
| zakkm | oh no its not theme specific | 19:02 |
| Meizirkki2 | no | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | then remove -mouse tslib for now, you won't be able to use touchscreen but you can still see if anything comes up on scren :p | 19:03 |
| Meizirkki2 | x-server-prepare exists | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 19:03 |
| zakkm | what are you guys trying to attempt? | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | run it, x-server-prepare start | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: well if wiki was up i could show you.. but we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up | 19:04 |
| Meizirkki2 | i am now chrooted... | 19:05 |
| zakkm | your trying to "opensource" maemo? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: not really.. proof of concept | 19:05 |
| zakkm | uh huh, at first? :P | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | we're not from nokia :P | 19:05 |
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| zakkm | but i mean thats what your trying to do ? be able to "edit" it? | 19:05 |
| zakkm | be able to edit every little thing? | 19:06 |
| Meizirkki2 | shoult i add /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare to /etc/default/x-server.defs? | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: no, it's a script that sets pointer calibrations for you :) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | (the first one) | 19:06 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 19:06 |
| johnx | zakkm, the goal is to integrate Nokia's maemo GUI into the ubuntu distribution | 19:06 |
| Meizirkki2 | BTW trying to boot now :) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | we're trying to see if it's plausible to make a OS like maemo that fits in 250m flash, but is as easy to port to as hildonizing an app | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | instead of fighting with platform oddities | 19:07 |
| zakkm | use maemo on a desktop? isnt that what the sdk is for? | 19:07 |
| johnx | quite the opposite, in fact | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: this thing runs on tablet | 19:07 |
| zakkm | you want to boot ubuntu and use maemo ? | 19:07 |
| johnx | close enough :) | 19:07 |
| zakkm | use ubuntu with like maemo "DE" on the nokia ? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | we are trying to see if we can make a maemo OS with a ubuntu base system | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | with some changes to make it more mobile friendly | 19:08 |
| zakkm | ah huh! changes :P | 19:08 |
| zakkm | you just said proof of concept | 19:08 |
| johnx | zakkm, exactly. and with maemo just being the "DE" we'd be able to swap in other DEs, such as lxde or kde, or windowmaker | 19:08 |
| zakkm | ah cool | 19:09 |
| zakkm | how's it coming? | 19:09 |
| Meizirkki2 | every time i chroot into ubuntu i have to flash bootmenu again to make linuxrc work :( | 19:09 |
| zakkm | why would you want to use windowmaker XD | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: that's -really- weird O-o | 19:09 |
| Meizirkki2 | yep | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: no idea if you can view this, http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC | 19:09 |
| Meizirkki2 | now running fsck | 19:09 |
| johnx | zakkm, you probably don't want to get into a discussion with me about windowmaker. not that I'll be angry, just that it would be long and boring for you :) | 19:10 |
| GAN800 | Jaiku is horrible | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | write something better | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:10 |
| zakkm | im sorry but the only reason windowmaker exists is cause its built into xorg XD | 19:10 |
| johnx | zakkm, you're very confused :) | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | very *very* confused | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12 gets to hildonising transmission. *sigh* | 19:11 | |
| zakkm | how: ? | 19:11 |
| johnx | well, windowmaker isn't "built in" to xorg, and the concept that a window manager can be built in doesn't make sense really | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: didn't someone already do that? | 19:12 |
| zakkm | i meant bundled | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, I hate having to follow it for updates. | 19:13 |
| zakkm | with it | 19:13 |
| johnx | zakkm, ok, that makes more sense, but it's not bundled with it | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, no | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i have it on mauku on my tablet as a small tv | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, it's a half-assed job | 19:13 |
| zakkm | then how come everytime i install xorg, windowmaker seems to come with it? | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, It's not hildonised :/. Pipeline adjusted the size of some gtk stuff to make it fix better. I took it, added an option to make it fullscreen and packaged it for extras. Seeing as now I'm the maintainer, I may as well try and improve it. | 19:13 |
| zakkm | theres not even a -nowindowmaker flag :P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | s/fix/fit | 19:14 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: ah, heh | 19:14 |
| johnx | zakkm, why not pop over here and do some reading? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System | 19:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i have it open on mauku as well :) | 19:14 |
| zakkm | i do know what X is | 19:15 |
| johnx | ah, just read your other message. windowmaker is totally unrelated to the x server project. It's just a window manager that satisfies the general requirement "window manager" of Xorg | 19:16 |
| zakkm | yes but it comes with it | 19:16 |
| johnx | no. it. doesn't. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it's a sideeffect of your packaging system | 19:16 |
| Meizirkki2 | Xomap does not start :( | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: what error? | 19:16 |
| zakkm | everytime, no matter what distro.. i installed xorg on, windowmaker seems to come with it | 19:17 |
| Meizirkki2 | i don't know, there is only white dot in top corner | 19:17 |
| johnx | because it's the best window manager | 19:17 |
| zakkm | even in gentoo | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I'm in fear of choking myself here :P | 19:18 |
| johnx | the people who put your distro together *know* it's the best window manager and almost everyone will want it | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: well Xomap doesn't start anything | 19:18 |
| Meizirkki2 | I get into rescue menu and tried to start console | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | you need to start some app afterwards | 19:18 |
| johnx | qwerty12, ah, just join in. :) | 19:18 |
| zakkm | johnx: your a ratpoison fan arent you? | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, :) | 19:18 |
| johnx | no, because that's a bad window manager | 19:18 |
| johnx | I like good window managers :) | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK_ | windowmaker doesn't come by default in fedora... | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK_ | nor in debian | 19:19 |
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| zakkm | its not a choice for login window's | 19:19 |
| zakkm | but i still say its there | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | ratpoison looks worse than even twm | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | zakkm, nope | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: the windowmanager conspiracy, eh | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: When i do not go into rescue menu display stays showing me linuxrc messages | 19:19 |
| * zakkm doesnt like anything thats not metacity or fluxbox ;p | 19:20 | |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: yeah, there's no splash | 19:20 |
| johnx | it turns out that people can say a lot of things that aren't true :) | 19:20 |
| * lcuk keeps pondering sliding xv rendering behind a windowmanager | 19:20 | |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: so console is only way to get some output and then run X later | 19:20 |
| Meizirkki2 | But Xomap is still running? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | Xomap isn't started automatically | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | system is | 19:20 |
| Meizirkki2 | when i go to rescue menu and select console there is only white cursor in top corner | 19:21 |
| Meizirkki2 | so if i add something in rc.local it should start? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | you have usbnet? | 19:21 |
| Meizirkki2 | after xomap | 19:21 |
| Meizirkki2 | yes | 19:22 |
| Meizirkki2 | what kind of usb net? | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, whats an AST | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | as in able to telnet in from your machine ;) | 19:22 |
| Meizirkki2 | yes | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install x11-utils, boot with usbnet, telnet in, Xomap :1 -andsoon &, export DISPLAY=:0; xmessage hi | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | and see if anything comes up | 19:23 |
| Meizirkki2 | ok | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Abstract Source Tree. In-memory model of all the classes, namespaces, methods, variable etc. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: why cairo btw? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | specific patches from nokia? | 19:24 |
| johnx | er, I thought it would be nokia optimized, but it's actually not | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Needed to do proper code complete and (ultimately) refactoring and in-IDE navigation | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:24 |
| johnx | also, trying to find things that don't require gtk | 19:25 |
| johnx | suggestions welcome :) | 19:25 |
| lcuk | cool, the sort of thing you can use to get database code generation and dynamic object creation of use from | 19:25 |
| lcuk | nice jaffa, its things like this that come for free in vb :) | 19:25 |
| * lcuk has coded them up himself in the past as well | 19:25 | |
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| lcuk | i gather the vala compiler wont throw this kind of stuff out for you then | 19:26 |
| lcuk | vala --dump_obj_tree | 19:26 |
| lcuk | ;) | 19:26 |
| johnx | i wonder if sapwood is depending on any maemo specific parts of gtk | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12 | ~burn pkg-config | 19:27 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over pkg-config, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:27 | |
| zs | hi, enyone knows what's wrong with maemo.org? | 19:27 |
| johnx | huh. pkg-config is usually the one I don't hate :) | 19:27 |
| lcuk | zs, yeah - its not working | 19:27 |
| johnx | zs, the servers are being moved | 19:27 |
| zs | ok thanks | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I hate it with a vengance :P. Time to go back to the old fashioned way and hardcode header paths :P | 19:28 |
| lcuk | physically moved as well, quim had to go in work on a sunday, pick up the 770 take it in his car to the new location.. | 19:28 |
| johnx | qwerty12, actually pkg-config in a makefile seems fairly sane compared to autoconf, etc | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: libvala does expose one, but need to access that in Java, and also create appropriate indices for quick and efficient features people (I) want in an IDE | 19:29 |
| lcuk | im using an ide which does it differently without trying to build up a full mega list, it simply builds up a token tree of everything encountered (plus the stuff from pre-compiled library definitions) and then just offers those | 19:30 |
| lcuk | works for 99% and would probably be simpler to implement, at least in the short term | 19:31 |
| johnx | ok dbus should be a safe target | 19:31 |
| * lcuk had forgotten how pretty mandelbrot was | 19:33 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, im wondering what dbus things nokia did, seems like there's a bunch of patches that's definately not in upstream.. | 19:34 |
| johnx | and it doesn't depend on gtk, so I figure it's a good candidate | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: similar to whatI've done already in Valable. Doesn't do the built-in library stuff, which is what I want to learn new APIs without having to Google. Once I do it for libs, it should work for everything as a side-effect (I think) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | are you creating this ide on the device or desktop? | 19:35 |
| zakkm | is rotation easily added to my nokia n800 ? | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Desktop; Eclipse plugin | 19:37 |
| GAN800 | outpo.st/rotate | 19:38 |
| lcuk | jaffa, Val(a)IDE says it supports a symbols browser, have you looked at how it gets it (its vala built isnt it?) | 19:39 |
| zakkm | should i do the kernel with rotation and 48MHz patch? | 19:39 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: rotation is very simple to install in Diablo | 19:39 |
| zakkm | http://outpo.st/rotate/rotation-support-n800.install <-- is a deb possible.. i dont have wifi atm ? | 19:40 |
| lcuk | 48mhz patch MAY cause your inserted mmc card to stop working | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | libhildon1 depends on osso-sounds-ui | 19:40 |
| lcuk | (until you reflash back) | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | wtf. | 19:40 |
| zakkm | i use 4gb SDHC? | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It uses ctags, which is part of what I already use. Started hacking on Valable as it was only Vala IDE I could get running ;-) | 19:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, is that circular? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | heh i know that feeling jaffa | 19:41 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i use a 4gb SDHC | 19:41 |
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| zakkm | stage 6 SDHC.. 22mb read.. 10mb write | 19:41 |
| lcuk | zakkm, dunno, mine failed, yours might work | 19:41 |
| zakkm | whats the patched xserver? | 19:41 |
| zakkm | on outpo.st/rotate | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: removing from depends, not needed for libhildon build atleast | 19:41 |
| johnx | zakkm, it adds rotation support | 19:42 |
| zakkm | oh thats what i want | 19:42 |
| zakkm | :P | 19:42 |
| johnx | zakkm, you need the kernel too | 19:42 |
| zakkm | thats all i have to do is install that and i get rotation? | 19:42 |
| zakkm | oh | 19:42 |
| johnx | no | 19:42 |
| johnx | you need everything | 19:42 |
| johnx | you have a choice of kernels though | 19:42 |
| zakkm | describe fail ? | 19:42 |
| johnx | not be accessible | 19:43 |
| zakkm | does it break the SD? ( i boot from SD ) | 19:43 |
| zakkm | corrupt it ? or just maemo cant read it? | 19:43 |
| johnx | possibly corrupt the filesystem, yes | 19:43 |
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| johnx | just use the normal kernel on that site | 19:43 |
| zakkm | ok | 19:43 |
| zakkm | if i boot from SD, is there a way to connect to pc without having to reboot in flash? | 19:44 |
| johnx | wifi or usb networking | 19:44 |
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| zakkm | damn | 19:44 |
| zakkm | im on mac so usb networking doesnt work.. and dont have a wireless router | 19:45 |
| johnx | does your mac have a wireless card? | 19:45 |
| zakkm | no | 19:45 |
| johnx | really? | 19:46 |
| zakkm | hackintosh. | 19:46 |
| johnx | ahaha | 19:46 |
| johnx | I see | 19:46 |
| zakkm | 100% hackintosh, costed me $82 on a motherboard -.- | 19:46 |
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| johnx | good for you, but any other OS and you'd have working usb ethernet :) | 19:46 |
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| zakkm | yeah i was going to install windows in virtualbox, i was told it would work that way | 19:47 |
| zakkm | it works in linux? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | lo lbt | 19:47 |
| johnx | zakkm, yeah, really easy in linux | 19:47 |
| lbt | phew | 19:47 |
| Meizirkki2 | Stskeeps: as you said: xomap works! | 19:47 |
| zakkm | I install kernel, then xserver? | 19:47 |
| lbt | just upgraded from a 32bit CPU to 64 bit - new mobo etc | 19:47 |
| Meizirkki2 | now trying to get u-m working :P | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki2: hehe, good luck | 19:48 |
| lbt | clean install, clone debian, reconnect all my ldap.... | 19:48 |
| lbt | and it looks like it's working | 19:48 |
| lbt | so "hello again" | 19:48 |
| johnx | lbt, 32bit OS or 64bit? | 19:48 |
| lbt | 64bit kernel, 32 bit OS (Debian) | 19:48 |
| johnx | good plan :) | 19:49 |
| lbt | I can live with a tiny performance hit for the ease-of use :) | 19:49 |
| zakkm | if i boot from SD, where should i put my files? | 19:49 |
| zakkm | should i chmod 777 /home ? | 19:49 |
| lbt | and I have a phenon x3 now - so VMs should be better | 19:49 |
| zakkm | and put in home directory? | 19:49 |
| * zakkm bought a E2180 pentinum .. the other day :P | 19:50 | |
| johnx | sure, just put them in your /home/user/MyDocs | 19:50 |
| lbt | and during all this I've been upgrading my egroupware to 1.6 and getting caldav working.. and pulling the code for gpe-calendar | 19:50 |
| lbt | so of course my current gpe-cal went nuts and now shows a gazillion repeats of a todo task and essentially freezes nut | 19:51 |
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| lcuk | lbt, what todo is it repeating? | 19:52 |
| zakkm | unable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | "more cheese" | 19:52 |
| lbt | "buy Cheese!" | 19:52 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:52 |
| * johnx misses cheese :| | 19:52 | |
| Stskeeps | japanese doesn't have cheese? :P | 19:52 |
| lbt | johnx: you need Shopper V2.2 with international shipping | 19:52 |
| johnx | not too popular, so it's expensive and ultrapasteurized | 19:52 |
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| johnx | tastses funny :/ | 19:53 |
| Jaffa | Mmmm, cheese & bacon | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | but what kind of cheese realistically goes with bacon? | 19:53 |
| johnx | cheddar | 19:53 |
| lbt | bacon, mushrooms and Kraft cheese slices | 19:54 |
| lcuk | i suppose the real answer is anything - bacon makes any meal nice | 19:54 |
| lcuk | "dull, bland pot roast? cover it with bacon" | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | except youghurt | 19:54 |
| lcuk | baconnaise is almost yogurt | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | mmmmmmmm http://www.baconnaise.com/ | 19:55 |
| lcuk | my god im hungry now, i was gonna have fish n chips tonight, but now im not so sure | 19:56 |
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| * johnx could go for some fish and chips at the nice little British pub downtown :) | 19:57 | |
| lbt | OK - how do I kill this window thingy... | 19:57 |
| lbt | you know, the ones on the desktop | 19:57 |
| lbt | can't remember their name... | 19:58 |
| johnx | desktop applets? | 19:58 |
| lbt | applets | 19:58 |
| johnx | menu at the top, select applets | 19:58 |
| lbt | ah | 19:58 |
| lbt | yes | 19:58 |
| lbt | that assumes the tablet is responsive | 19:58 |
| lbt | :( | 19:58 |
| lbt | I have ssh though | 19:58 |
| lbt | but I have to be quick | 19:58 |
| johnx | ssh in and restart hildon desktop | 19:58 |
| lbt | it's at 99% cpu | 19:58 |
| lbt | done that | 19:59 |
| johnx | huh | 19:59 |
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| lbt | and the cpu is using the battery faster than the charger is putting it back | 19:59 |
| johnx | reboot it | 19:59 |
| johnx | reboot from a root shell | 19:59 |
| lbt | each time I login/reboot the hildon restarts the applet :( | 19:59 |
| lbt | and it goes to 100% cpu before I can disable the applet | 20:00 |
| johnx | rename the .so for the applet | 20:00 |
| lbt | ssh is still responsive - just not the gui | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | it's in .osso somehwere probably | 20:00 |
| lbt | what dir? I'm afraid I've been away for too long... | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | /home/user/.osso | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | the conf for it | 20:01 |
| johnx | ~/.osso/hildon-desktop | 20:01 |
| johnx | grep for your troublesome applet there | 20:01 |
| johnx | or just apt-get remove it | 20:02 |
| Meizirkki | is this about ubuntu mobile? | 20:02 |
| johnx | nope, just normal os2008 :) | 20:02 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:02 |
| lbt | ees gone! | 20:03 |
| lbt | Thanks guys :) | 20:03 |
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| johnx | good deal | 20:04 |
| * Stskeeps re-runs libhildon compile for the third time after forgetting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 20:04 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:04 |
| zakkm | are you almost successful in maemo reconstruct? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | some successes but we're still far off | 20:05 |
| zakkm | any chance longer battery, faster speeds is part of this project? :P | 20:05 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps talked about new nobile-basic-flash last night, Is it impossible for me to compile the new one? That way we should have working ubuntu-mobile-desktop... | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | *could | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | (whatever) | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | not impossible | 20:07 |
| Meizirkki | ookay | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | just get adobe-flashplayer, then dpkg-buildpackage deblet-flashplayer | 20:07 |
| Meizirkki | What about the new one that is based on python and GTK | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ | 20:10 |
| * RST38h moos | 20:10 | |
| Stskeeps | er | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | Somebody is already running Ubuntu Mobile on the N8x0? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: Meiz had it in a chroot | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | but not 100% working | 20:11 |
| RST38h | ! | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810# | 20:12 |
| Meizirkki | there is no mobile-basic-flash on that page... | 20:12 |
| Meizirkki | *the launchpad page | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, cos they stopped using it :P | 20:12 |
| Meizirkki | It is kourou | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:13 |
| Meizirkki | is it? | 20:13 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | and you need a new hildon-desktop for that too | 20:13 |
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| zakkm | so much work :P | 20:14 |
| Meizirkki | kourou source is only 16 kb! | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | python, yeah | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:15 |
| Meizirkki | so, what do i need, if i want to compile it with my ubuntu box (interpid) | 20:16 |
| johnx | well, it's python. you don't need to compile it :) | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | Is it best to compile on tablet? | 20:16 |
| zakkm | slower :P | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | when it is so small | 20:16 |
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| johnx | at this point compiling on your desktop will probably be somewhat difficult | 20:17 |
| Meizirkki | yep, i have tried | 20:18 |
| johnx | so yes, might as well try on your tablet | 20:18 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM ........ "crap.." | 20:19 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:20 |
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| johnx | yeah, servers on the moooove | 20:20 |
| lbt | ah - that's OK then... | 20:20 |
| * lbt goes back to checking out his new toys... | 20:21 | |
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| Meizirkki | will kourou have depency problems if i try to install it in hasty | 20:23 |
| johnx | probably a couple | 20:23 |
| Meizirkki | **** | 20:24 |
| johnx | you'll likely need to get some packages from intrepid, compile from source, rinse, repeat | 20:24 |
| johnx | but after that it should be ok | 20:24 |
| johnx | I tried this before and it didn't work, but things might have changed since then | 20:24 |
| Meizirkki | maybe i should leave u-m alone until mojo releases their version of interpid :( | 20:24 |
| johnx | well, that's what I decided, but you should give it a shot if you want to | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | i'll wait, i have played enough with u-m | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | but hildon-desktop should be usable anyway | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | libhildon up | 20:26 |
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| johnx | dbus compiling :) | 20:27 |
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| Meizirkki | okay, i will try kourou, but if it has lot of depency problems i'll leavy it for now | 20:28 |
| Meizirkki | *leave | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | uhoh. | 20:29 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he just maimed his maemo | 20:29 | |
| johnx | eep | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | or got cool fremantle features.. | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll go for maimed | 20:30 |
| johnx | what happened? | 20:30 |
| johnx | which one did you pull from the wrong place? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | think it just overwrote the l10ns and the -common package of gtk | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | if arm was armel it would be a lot worse ;) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, can't be that bad | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | locales and themes maemo doesnt use | 20:32 |
| tekojo | Hi all, maemo.org is back online. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | wee | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed btw? that's what we're trying to work on atm | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | (a proof of concept of it | 20:33 |
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| tekojo | Stskeeps: sounds like it, but shouldn't you know better | 20:38 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps: you're the one working on it :_) | 20:39 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's on one of my 'permanently open' tabs... | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:40 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what to have for dinner | 20:43 | |
| johnx | uhm, so where should I drop packages again? I've been putting them in public_html/packages | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | just drop them there and we'll put them in a repo eventually | 20:45 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: Junk food always works well :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah but after a week of it you get tired of it.. | 20:46 |
| * qwerty12_N800 agrees with zakkm with a bag of chips from the local takeaway in me hand :p | 20:46 | |
| zakkm | qwerty12: what chips? | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, large fries | 20:47 |
| zakkm | oh | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | oooer Jaffa - you are the second person to follow me on twitter! but ive not made a single tweet there | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: best way to check packages is doing a file on the binaries | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | i've had my distcc make x86 binaries for me at some poine :P | 20:52 |
| johnx | O_o | 20:52 |
| johnx | I know it's not doing that, because I have a native ARM machine involved too | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | but then again the package building didn't finish | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | true | 20:52 |
| johnx | anyways, I just ran the binary :) | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | and we discover the secret x86 mode of arm chips.. | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 20:53 |
| johnx | well the pxa270 *was* an intel chip :) | 20:53 |
| johnx | and it certainly runs hot enough | 20:53 |
| Meizirkki | to get kourou working, i should compile python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | okay, for some strange reason after adding maemo gtk and libhildon, we're now at 113mb flash | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | compared to 123 before | 20:54 |
| johnx | huh | 20:54 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:54 |
| johnx | did you possibly replace an installed gtk with maemo gtk? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:55 |
| johnx | well, I guess Nokia *was* doing something right after all :D | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess so too | 20:56 |
| * lcuk bangs his head against a wall | 20:57 | |
| Stskeeps | no bacon in the fridge, lcuk? | 20:57 |
| * GAN800 pads lcuk's wall. | 20:57 | |
| lcuk | heh, had fish n chips, but its a horrible miserable rainy sunday night | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | i dont normally get bored, but i feel so meh! tonight | 20:58 |
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| johnx | dbus-glib is building. getting some sleep for now | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | gnite | 21:07 |
| johnx | 'night :) | 21:09 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: heh | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, i even managed to create a bog standard mandelbrot browser for my tablet (something ive wanted to do forever) but i cant get excited | 21:21 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, i usualy go stale in my excitement once the "cool new thing" factor wears off as well | 21:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its just tonight though, normally im enthusiastic about lots of things | 21:27 |
| lcuk | i *do* have lots of things i want to do, but no energy or motivation tonight | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 21:30 |
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| Meizirkki | Now, i am debootstrapping again | 21:39 |
| Meizirkki | this time i want to keep it small and clean | 21:39 |
| Meizirkki | now i am not trying to install anything unneeded | 21:39 |
| Meizirkki | but still want to use armv6 | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | has anyone ever written a spreadsheet viewer before? | 22:12 |
| GAN800 | Yes | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, have you ? :D which format did you read? o | 22:18 |
| lcuk | -o | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Use csv | 22:32 |
| RST38h | You really do not want to read Excel formats | 22:32 |
| lcuk | heh RST38h, im just curious really, not about a specific format (its not even for a spreadsheet) im interested in the cell based lookups and specific backend optimizations for such | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/watching-them-squirm-fox-news-abandons-the-mob-it-created | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ie, is it enough to have a database and for each cell as rendered do a lookup for items in the area, or do you need specific optimizations | 22:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Could you explain (for the idiot in me) what exactly you want to do? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | i suppose ill look into maptile algorithms | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Ok, I see | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | The data type you are dealing with is known as a sparse array (see Google) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | :) thanks rst | 22:35 |
| RST38h | When rendering it, you basically want to get all elements in a rectangular range corresponding to the displayed area | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | If I were doing it, I would probably use some kind of a tree, a quadtree most likely | 22:36 |
| lcuk | yeah - i do that for other projects | 22:36 |
| lcuk | but the granuality is a bit lower for what im trying to do | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | loading and preparing that will be a killer time wise | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | The quadtree will handle the granularoity just fine | 22:36 |
| RST38h | "My friend, wait until 11 or 12 Eastern time before drawing any conclusions, by then you will see the Palin landslide!!" (on mushrooms, no doubt) | 22:37 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R*_tree | 22:38 |
| RST38h | R*Trees are somewhat of black magic (i.e. no optimal algorithms for building them exist to my knowledge( but they will do the job | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | yeah, ill just read from database as im used to, but i might keep granuality at a week level | 22:40 |
| lcuk | instead of the planned day | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, is a 14mb video too much, ill show you what i want it for | 22:46 |
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| blackdeath | hello | 22:58 |
| blackdeath | has anyone been able to port any bluetooth hacking tools for the n810? | 22:59 |
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| Meizirkki-n810 | what is depmod? | 23:05 |
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| citylights | hello | 23:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it will take a while to transfer 14mb | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | generates a modules.dep so modprobe <module> can be used instead of insmoding repeatdly a module & it's dependencices | 23:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: so, just tell in plain old fashioned english =) | 23:07 |
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| citylights | how to fix this: i cant change the programs order in th application men | 23:09 |
| citylights | gue | 23:09 |
| citylights | guess .desktop is lost | 23:09 |
| citylights | can i generate this to fix | 23:13 |
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| citylights | .. good my gf is asleep | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, is https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/email/osso-email/trunk/?root=maemo the chinook mail app? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | who's forward porting it? :P | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | Nobody? | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | aw :P | 23:51 |
| * Stskeeps liked the old one better | 23:51 | |
| GAN800 | File bugs and/or patch Modest. | 23:51 |
| Proteous | me took the old one out behind the barn and shot it | 23:51 |
| GAN800 | You mean "I". :P | 23:52 |
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| Navi | or /me | 23:55 |
| citylights | 8 | 23:56 |
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