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| * Jaffa debates staying up to see the first few results, incl- Florida & Ohio | 00:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | So not worth it. | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, is it just me or has the terrorist rhethoric at all been in play? i haven't heard anything about "there are warnings terrorist might bomb polling places" or the other crap :P | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: mostly around the "palling around with terrorists" stuff from Palin AFAICT | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, upstart, planned feature: "Events generated at timed intervals or scheduled times" | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's where alarmd went | 00:15 |
| Veggen | Stskeeks: you mean...somerthing like...cron? | 00:16 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, obviously. but if you've seen how tablets work, cron isn't always the best choice | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | think upstart integrating with retu wakeups and such | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | There's no reason a crond couldn't. | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | well have to go in over alarmd i guess | 00:18 |
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| Stskeeps | .. *ponders sleep* | 00:19 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: that feature has been in "planned features" for years :| | 00:26 |
| suihkulokki | the retu driver should be rewritten to look more like a regular RTC device | 00:28 |
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| Veggen | As Jaffa said: I would prefer if someone implemented an alternative cron. cron interface/configuration isn't bad, and it's *well known* since the 70s. | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | why cant u just use the standard one? | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | does it have to be "alternative" | 00:31 |
| Veggen | lcuk: One can. But it could be that it needs to be rewritten/modified a bit to be a bit nicer, power-wise etc. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yeah, but when did you see people using RTC alarm latest? :P | 00:32 |
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| lcuk2 | i thought it wasnt cron that was the problem, but the things you dangle from it | 00:32 |
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| Jaffa | Mauku's menu seems massivley oversized. Is this a new feature? | 00:36 |
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| lcuk2 | does anyone have anything quantitive about crons battery use | 00:36 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa, i really like that - i was surprised | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | I'd rather have consistency since Fremantle's doing something here anyway | 00:37 |
| * lcuk2 mouths out "mauku" every time now, i was with hendrik when he gave his summit interview | 00:37 | |
| Jaffa | More to the point, it's not talking to jaiku at all for me | 00:37 |
| lcuk2 | mine works or seems to - im not sure if it live refreshes, but it did when i pressed refresh | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | Mine says "unable to refresh" | 00:38 |
| lcuk2 | does normal net work>? | 00:39 |
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| Jaffa | yeah, on SSH and BBC live update site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7700298.stm | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa, did u see my big visible from orbit brightness applet | 00:39 |
| Jaffa | (which works well on Maemo once you stop the Flash scripts) | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: yeah, looked good. | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | How you showing current value? | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, you aren't on o2 internet/be [there | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | are you? | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, be | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sorry, h-i-m again :/ | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | Known routing issue? | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, yeah, my jaiku is down too. i think it's an o2/be problem | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | FFS | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | most sites aren't coming for me :/ | 00:41 |
| lcuk2 | yeah jaffa, you have a problem - you've been rewiring now for 2 weeks ;) | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm. following US tv coverage with commercials makes me want to die | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | sickening commercials :P | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: heh | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | im so nervous whenever i have to type that damned /msg nickserv identify 12345 thing | 00:43 |
| johnx | set your IRC to do it :P | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | make it a autoperform instead? :P | 00:44 |
| lcuk | it does when i log in | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | but if the name was in use it doesnt | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: That's the same code as my luggage! | 00:44 |
| lcuk | !!! | 00:44 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, use IRC-proxy: you paste in URLs and someone will cut+paste it to pastebin :) | 00:44 |
| lcuk | if you put goatse into pastebin will the universe collapse? | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | there is an ascii goatse (i know, not hard to do) | 00:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 favourite goatse has to be goatsemarathon | 00:46 | |
| johnx | I miss the more innocent internet memes of yore ... | 00:46 |
| lcuk | what? like tubgirl? | 00:47 |
| johnx | more like "all your base" | 00:47 |
| lcuk | or were yoiu meaning hamster dance type | 00:47 |
| johnx | gah...nothing innocent about hamster dance O_o | 00:47 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:47 |
| johnx | a true test of a hu-man's will to live | 00:48 |
| * qwerty12_N800 still wants to run http://sam.zoy.org/lmos/ in an internet cafe and duck out | 00:48 | |
| lcuk | for anyone remotely curious, its the lastmeasure OS, ive heard very evil things and have never been tempted to click | 00:49 |
| Veggen | Anyone remember Canter and Siegel? | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | What is it? (tablet cr... ah) | 00:49 |
| Veggen | (when we're talking history here :) | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the site's ok (i promise) but linked content and actual os is not :p | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but i find it funny that the creator of that os keeps his cv on the same site as lmos... | 00:51 |
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| l7 | http://sam.zoy.org/lmos/ sounds interesting | 00:53 |
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| l7 | but not interesting enough to click | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, it's a great os | 00:53 |
| l7 | it's an OS? | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting that people are so vocal about an issue at one point, but then don't seem to want to step up and be constructive on that same issue later. | 00:54 |
| l7 | oh, i see | 00:54 |
| l7 | i thought it was a shock site | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's easier to discuss than act | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, not one response on the voting system thread on itT. | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yet it generated dozens of replies before. | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | Pfft | 00:55 |
| lcuk | peopel are concentrating on another kind of voting tongiht | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, who cares? We're all fucked either way. | 00:55 |
| * Jaffa isn't convinced that the approach last time was significantly sub-optimal. | 00:55 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 didn't find anything wrong with how the voting was conducted. then again, i wasn't looking for problems | 00:55 | |
| Stskeeps | GA for president! | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:55 |
| l7 | Goatse Rescue Floppy? wtf? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "As my first and last act as President I say, 'Fuck you guys.'" | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. The Auto-reloading AJAXey goodness on the bbc.co.uk URL above doesn't work if you zoom out in microb to 80% | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | If I raise a bug, it'll just get marked WFM when they get up tomorrow | 00:57 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you sound like you really dont like the guy on a personal level | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, which guy? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't like lots of people, so it's hard to keep track. :D | 00:57 |
| lcuk | obama | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't like either of the bastards. | 00:58 |
| lcuk | ok, at least you are balanced | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're deceitful, evil people out to improve things for only themselves and their cronies. | 00:58 |
| woglinde | better obama then mccain or bush | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | Unlike the Council? *cough* | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, giant douche or turd sandwich. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Neither of them are very appealing. | 00:59 |
| lcuk | lol @ jaffa | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hey, I didn't say I wasn't a hypocrite! :P | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | Palin's the decider, I think. I didn't mind either (from afar), but slightly preferred Obama. But after the last few weeks... | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | obama really has stepped up | 01:00 |
| Jaffa | Never thought Bush'd look sensible, well-balanced & intelligent ;-) | 01:01 |
| dmsuperman | How can I hide that "tab esc pgup pgdn ctrl" bar in the terminal? | 01:01 |
| dmsuperman | I use aa keyboard so I don't need it | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | dmsuperman: View > show toolbar > ... | 01:01 |
| lcuk | control panel / text input settings / onscreen tab and languages / settings | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, different thing. | 01:02 |
| lcuk | untick everything | 01:02 |
| dmsuperman | Wow, that was stupid of me | 01:02 |
| dmsuperman | :P | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | :) | 01:02 |
| dmsuperman | I didn't even think that was it | 01:02 |
| dmsuperman | Hrm, doubt it for this one but is the scrollbar possible to hide? | 01:03 |
| dmsuperman | Just a waste of space for me, screen doesn't relaly make use of it | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | Not easily. Wait for Fremantle (hopefully) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | sky and virgin have kissed and made up | 01:03 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | 'bout time | 01:04 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:04 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, elaborate please | 01:04 |
| LinuxCode | and hi mate | 01:04 |
| dmsuperman | Jaffa: New terminal? | 01:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/3380775/Sky-and-Virgin-end-cable-TV-row.html | 01:04 |
| lcuk | hiya lc :) | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, new scrolling method. | 01:04 |
| LinuxCode | maybe sky noticed that virgin one wasnt a bad channel | 01:04 |
| dmsuperman | Ah | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | dmsuperman: Will have consistent (and, expectation is scrollbarless) scrolling | 01:04 |
| dmsuperman | Sweet | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | scrollbarless is tricky, and does need some method to quickly go through | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | lo dneary | 01:05 |
| dmsuperman | This will be for the window manager / toolkit, or just xterm? | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you had the opportunity to try inertial on an iPhone? | 01:05 |
| LinuxCode | lol looks like sky is getting more out of it than virgin! | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, everything. | 01:06 |
| dneary | hi Ja | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | dmsuperman: ^^^ | 01:06 |
| dneary | hi Jaffa even | 01:06 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, yeah, virgin are being raped | 01:06 |
| dmsuperman | Sweet, I'm excited :) | 01:06 |
| LinuxCode | 6 channels versus 2 | 01:06 |
| LinuxCode | 1 rubbish channel available on freeview anyway! | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad it's in the range of 6-8 months away | 01:06 |
| lcuk | those 2 are probably asked for more on virgin helplines than anything | 01:06 |
| dmsuperman | Everything good takes time | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, yeh | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dmsuperman, gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xt erm/scrollbar 0 | 01:07 |
| dmsuperman | qwerty12_N800: I love you, thanks :) | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | oh, cool | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | I dont have sky or virgin | 01:07 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, not really, ive had a quick browse around, do you mean the a-z listing or something else | 01:08 |
| LinuxCode | most tv is rubbish | 01:08 |
| lcuk | i am a virgin | 01:08 |
| lcuk | user | 01:08 |
| dmsuperman | ... | 01:08 |
| LinuxCode | enough of rubbish on freeview | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, it works pretty well for medium-length pages | 01:08 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yeah - everything does : ive got it in liqbase remember and my graffiti wall is massive now | 01:09 |
| lcuk | but there is a point where your eyes go funny at scrolling at a zillion miles an hour - ive put in a continuous calendar test - it scrolls forever but i go crosseyed if i move more than a month a second | 01:10 |
| lcuk | errr forget i said that, i wasnt gonna mention the calendar yet | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody's got a half-baked PIM solution these days. :P | 01:11 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles :) but ive got 8 years experience in database scheduler/tasks/jobs/workflow ;) | 01:11 |
| * Jaffa won't hold his breath | 01:12 | |
| lcuk | heh | 01:12 |
| lcuk | i really dont want to though i enjoy throwing graphics around | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What was johnx's quote? "Yep, emacs." | 01:12 |
| lcuk | i dont like getting stuck in random apis - i would like to see khertan extend where hes going with mcalendar | 01:13 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:13 |
| Jaffa | Worrying that khertan's rewriting it from scratch. Easy to do as a developer | 01:13 |
| lcuk | yeah jaffa, hes gone off the radar somewhat | 01:14 |
| lcuk | but so have others, we know where a few have gone, hopefully the rest are also busy in productive ways | 01:14 |
| Jaffa | More fun than properly finishing an app (sometimes it's the right answer, but often not) | 01:14 |
| lcuk | yeah - the push i had recently stabilizing and releasing liqbase for general use wasnt the best time - it felt more like work than the relaxing time i normally have | 01:15 |
| lcuk | work is for the daytime | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | :) | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | and the night time for me ATM :( | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Finishing projects is the worst. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night, Jaffa. | 01:16 |
| lcuk | no, i enjoy getting projects out there | 01:16 |
| lcuk | i work hard and try to give the best experience i can to customers | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun in the beginning, and it's fun once it's out | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But that span of time in the middle is no fun. | 01:16 |
| lcuk | the only times i dont like releasing is when someone over my head tells me that its time to go | 01:17 |
| lcuk | normally ive got goals and targets that i meet (like the summit was one) but if they get radically altered it throws out my mind | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, have you seen the video from tim at cbase | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | Not watched it yet | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | Was wondering when he had time! | 01:18 |
| lcuk | i was with hendrik when he gave his, and ive got one as well - we were told they were internal nokia things when we did them | 01:19 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 01:19 |
| lcuk | mine will pop up soon aparantly | 01:19 |
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| dmsuperman | I'm sitting in class. The buil;t in notes utility is a bit lacking, imo | 01:22 |
| dmsuperman | Is there something I might use to better take notes? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | liqbase :) for reading and reviewing - its stroke based | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | liqbase, xournal, maemopad+ | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | AbiWord | 01:22 |
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| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: Do you have a favorite? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't really use any of them very much lately | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | liqbase is preferable because it's easy to use on the go. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But no keyboard entry. | 01:23 |
| lcuk | yet | 01:23 |
| dmsuperman | Not good then | 01:23 |
| dmsuperman | Do any of them support easily categorizing notes? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | xournal or maemopad+ | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try both | 01:24 |
| lcuk | all 3 | 01:24 |
| dmsuperman | Alright | 01:24 |
| lcuk | why isnt xournal in extras? | 01:24 |
| dmsuperman | Thanks for the suggestions :D | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, dunno, email the maintainer. | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it is..infact the -devel version is messed up | 01:24 |
| lcuk | dmsuperman, :) if you do try liqbase and have suggestions for improvements or required features put them on the site | 01:25 |
| dmsuperman | lcuk: I don't have the time to try to hand write my notes, sorry :(o | 01:25 |
| lcuk | its under extensive development at the moment and has many planned directions | 01:25 |
| lcuk | tsk tsk, is it really slower to hand write? | 01:25 |
| LinuxCode | with my handwriting yes | 01:26 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:26 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:26 |
| lcuk | surely you have your own shorthand though | 01:26 |
| LinuxCode | i can barely sign my name these days | 01:26 |
| LinuxCode | keyboard cripple | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode, can't be as bad as me :p. mine is *awful* | 01:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mine surely wins. | 01:27 |
| dmsuperman | My handwriting isn't that slow | 01:30 |
| dmsuperman | But my typing is very fast | 01:30 |
| dmsuperman | I type much faster than the professor can speak | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | dmsuperman, the art of taking notes is to not catch every word, but write enough that every word can be recalled | 01:35 |
| lcuk | its like jpeg for your memory | 01:35 |
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| dmsuperman | I know | 01:36 |
| dmsuperman | I was only saying | 01:36 |
| dmsuperman | My handwriting isn't neat enough though | 01:36 |
| dmsuperman | And typing is a lot more comfortable | 01:36 |
| lcuk | heh, i sat and took notes from every presentation i sat in at the summit | 01:36 |
| lcuk | and i think people on the plane mustv thought i was mad - i was scribbling hundreds of notes | 01:37 |
| lcuk | making sure everything i thought of was noted down for later :) | 01:37 |
| dmsuperman | Meh, xournal's a cool idea | 01:39 |
| dmsuperman | The ability to type anywhere and handwrite at the same time is cool | 01:39 |
| dmsuperman | It just seems like it'd be too slow to ever try to move anything around | 01:39 |
| TPC | xournal is nice | 01:40 |
| TPC | but the N8xx screens are a bit too small for it | 01:40 |
| lcuk | dmsuperman, in early versions of liqbase i had the ability to simply type whilst sketching and assign notes to any visible page | 01:40 |
| TPC | I tried using it for taking notes during lectures, but it was too slow | 01:40 |
| TPC | compared to paper | 01:40 |
| TPC | it would be very nice on a table pc or something | 01:40 |
| TPC | tablet* | 01:40 |
| dmsuperman | If I had a tablet this wouldn't even be a question | 01:41 |
| lcuk | tpc :) http://liqbase.net/ | 01:41 |
| * lcuk is bein a salesman tonight | 01:41 | |
| lcuk | principle features. sketching - faster than paper. | 01:41 |
| TPC | I'll take a look | 01:41 |
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| crashanddie | good evening | 01:42 |
| lcuk | hey there seb | 01:42 |
| lcuk | did you get my mail?> | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | how's it going? | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, didn't I reply? | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | not according to google | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | oh crap | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | I thought I had | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, crashanddie. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's the working life? | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | busy | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | fucking busy | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | I do something like 12-14 hour days | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worth it? | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | Definitely | 01:43 |
| dmsuperman | lcuk, GeneralAntilles: NoteCase | 01:47 |
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| dmsuperman | It's pretty cool | 01:47 |
| dmsuperman | Like maemopad+ but it seems to be a bit more organized | 01:47 |
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| Jaffa | Anyonee got a VLC command line to transcode a stream to, say, MPEG1 and stream over HTTP? | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, look at knots, maybe? | 02:13 |
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| Jaffa | Can't get to it from here ATM | 02:14 |
| woglinde | good nite | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo/Command_Line_Examples | 02:14 |
| lcuk | gnite woglinde | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | vlc -vvv input_stream --sout '#transcode{vcodec=mp4v,acodec=mpga,vb=800,ab=128}:standard{access=http,mux=ogg,dst=server.example.org:8080}' | 02:15 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's the kind of thing I've been trying but it says "no suitable sout access module http/{ts,asf,ogg}" | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I played with it about 6 months ago, but don't remember anything. | 02:22 |
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| mariorz | where can i find a list of repo adresses for os2008? | 02:33 |
| lcuk | there is only one | 02:34 |
| GAN800 | ~extras | 02:35 |
| infobot | hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 02:35 |
| mariorz | ok thx | 02:35 |
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| zackeroo | does anyone here have maemo-mapper working with flite ? | 02:46 |
| zackeroo | does anyone here have maemo-mapper working with flite ? | 02:48 |
| mariorz | ugh my n770 just resets when i try to open the app manager | 02:54 |
| mariorz | actually its when refreshing | 02:56 |
| mariorz | or just randomly nvm | 02:58 |
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| cars__ | is there any way to load an xchat plugin which appears to need gcc? I'm just trying to make a command which ignores a user by nick (e.g. /ignore_nick ignorednick) | 03:19 |
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| LinuxCode | i would be deeply suspicious of a plugin trying to compile code | 03:26 |
| lcuk | besides, isnt /ignore nick a builtin command? | 03:26 |
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| * lcuk may have a dependency for gcc one day | 03:27 | |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, what you been up2 then | 03:27 |
| LinuxCode | in general ? | 03:28 |
| lcuk | yeah | 03:28 |
| LinuxCode | still sorting finances out | 03:28 |
| LinuxCode | takea a time | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | takes | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | long time | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | apart from that not much | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | need to look for a new job soon | 03:29 |
| lcuk | yeah? what you thinking | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | but need to leave the country soon again | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | more sorting out | 03:29 |
| LinuxCode | then I can take care of work again | 03:30 |
| LinuxCode | security/net admining | 03:30 |
| LinuxCode | but if I cant find anything in that field | 03:30 |
| LinuxCode | although Im specialised in it | 03:30 |
| lcuk | shining your torchlight along some patch cables | 03:30 |
| LinuxCode | then...as long as its a linux/unix based job | 03:30 |
| cars__ | lcuk, not really, no. new command "ignore %2!*@* ALL" fixes it though! | 03:30 |
| LinuxCode | I dont mind | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | cars__, you've really got that many people you need to ignore? | 03:31 |
| lcuk | cars__, you obviously have more l33t skills with xchat than me cos that is meaningless lol | 03:31 |
| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles hes "popular" | 03:32 |
| cars__ | GeneralAntilles, In the #politics channel, definitely! | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Urg | 03:33 |
| cars__ | lcuk, not at all. Mostly meaningless to me too. I had to ask in #xchat :) | 03:34 |
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| cars__ | n #politics | 04:02 |
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| LinuxCode | night | 05:14 |
| cars__ | night | 05:15 |
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| penguinbait | OBAMA IS NEXT US PRESIDENT!!! WOO HOOO! | 06:05 |
| Proteous | I'll start celebrating if he actualy fixes anything | 06:06 |
| Proteous | the USA needs a full reboot like I just did to fix my cable modem | 06:06 |
| penguinbait | one step at a time, we still need to survive 2 more months of bush | 06:07 |
| Proteous | heh, so true | 06:07 |
| mariorz | is it normal for OS2008 to take up all the 770's memory? i have only openssh installed and 1kb of available memory | 06:17 |
| mariorz | ah songs and images free up spme space | 06:19 |
| l7 | can the 770 boot from SD? | 06:43 |
| l7 | or mmc | 06:44 |
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| errordeveloper | hi chaps | 07:13 |
| dmsuperman | Does the file manager in diablo support reading from samba shares in any way? | 07:14 |
| dmsuperman | I'm sharing a folder both via nfs and samba and it doesn't see it under that "shared folders" that I seem to get a whole slew of at work | 07:15 |
| errordeveloper | if i delete the default pdf reader and media player in favour of evince and ukmp ..it'll try to come back with os upgrade ..right? | 07:15 |
| errordeveloper | where to edit apps association to filetypes ? | 07:15 |
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| dmsuperman | This is quite odd | 07:22 |
| dmsuperman | It appears it should already be working | 07:22 |
| dmsuperman | How can I specify a host to connect to? | 07:22 |
| dmsuperman | Or mount it via command line? | 07:22 |
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| errordeveloper | also .. a major issue i've got are the file premissions on the memory card .. | 07:41 |
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| sampo_ | hello | 08:59 |
| sampo_ | i read somewhere that it is no longer necessary to sign packages when uploading them with webassistant ? | 08:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:03 |
| sampo_ | hey | 09:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum i ve just unactivated flash and microb work really well now | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | stupid flash ad | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | good mo(u)rning all | 09:32 |
| johnx | m00f! | 09:33 |
| qwerty12 | wag1 | 09:33 |
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| Khertan_n810 | morning all | 09:38 |
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| RST38h | btw, sb2 on ibex problem fixed thanks to nokia guys | 09:39 |
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| RST38h | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 425 | 10:08 |
| RST38h | Midgard gave up trying to sort a few hundred records by a numeric coulmn | 10:08 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Well technically that is PHP giving up ;) | 10:16 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: is it still running on the 770? =) | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes and vmware on top of that ;) | 10:18 |
| RST38h | BTW, returning to yesterday comment: | 10:19 |
| RST38h | In the user list, you have the Totals column and a few sort-by menu options | 10:19 |
| RST38h | I think it will be way more comprehensive if you show all karma components as columns (may have to make them grayed out to make totals stand out) and let users sort by clicking on column headers | 10:20 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: But we will have 15 values soon. | 10:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That will be very confusing ;) | 10:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Isn't much of a problem if you show them in smaller font :) | 10:20 |
| RST38h | Easily confused people generally ignore smaller font items | 10:21 |
| X-Fade | Well, sorry .. but most people aren't accountants who like seeing excel sheets ;) | 10:21 |
| RST38h | So they will ignore smaller font items! =) | 10:21 |
| RST38h | And, btw, it looks like bug-reports and itt-thanks components are counted into karma but aren't shown on my profile, whatever it means | 10:22 |
| X-Fade | They only show when you actually have some. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | I do | 10:22 |
| RST38h | Or did :) | 10:22 |
| X-Fade | Did you fill in your url? | 10:22 |
| RST38h | yes | 10:23 |
| RST38h | and itt-discussion does show up | 10:23 |
| RST38h | sorry, posts | 10:23 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hallo ! | 10:33 |
| RST38h | ehlo | 10:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve just published a first beta of mTasks and is home appelt | 10:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | applet | 10:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | if someone try it, what do you think of it ? | 10:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | (in extras-devel of course) | 10:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | and yep icon isn t good :) | 10:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is there a designer good enough to make me a todo icon for mtasks ? | 10:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | does someone know a search engine for icon with free copyright ? | 10:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 10:41 |
| RST38h | wikimedia | 10:44 |
| RST38h | a moment | 10:44 |
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| RST38h | Here, feed: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Icons_themes | 10:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 10:45 |
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| slapin | hi, all! | 11:06 |
| slapin | do anybody knows where could I order n770 screen to replace myself? | 11:07 |
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| gomiam | slapin: replace yourself? Go out of the house, find a clone of yourself and give him the keys | 11:09 |
| gomiam | ;-) | 11:09 |
| slapin | gomiam, don't take evrything so literally | 11:10 |
| slapin | actually I mean that I can replace screen using my own hands | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | you had a 770 white screen of death or? | 11:12 |
| suihkulokki | slapin: I don't believe those LCD screens are available on the market. You can try ebay or some other similar site. | 11:13 |
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| slapin | 1 x smashed screen and 1xWSOD, 1xbad colors | 11:14 |
| slapin | so I actually need 3 of them | 11:14 |
| slapin | I was donated of (otherwise working) 3 devices. | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:15 |
| slapin | and 1 x perfectly working my own. | 11:15 |
| slapin | I actually want one to use in my home automation, so I also interested in all available hardware docs, mostly regarding service connectors (if any). | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | got schematics? | 11:18 |
| slapin | Stskeeps, no :( | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | a quick google shows http://www.mobilchips.com/manuals/Nokia/123_N770%20Schematics.rar | 11:20 |
| slapin | Stskeeps, thanks a lot! | 11:22 |
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| zackeroo | I just had a question about Wayfinder and paying the fee for license ... does anyone here know what exaclty you get for paying the fee? | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | A 12 digit code which gives you a 3 year licence. | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Hopefully, by the time it expires, Nokia'll be providing nav for free. | 11:25 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: You do not spend so much money for some mapping company to provide its stuff for free =) | 11:43 |
| RST38h | On the other hand... | 11:44 |
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| zackeroo | Jaffa: does that get me maps and the whole lot? | 11:45 |
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| zackeroo | anyone else here know how map and paying for the lisence all goes? | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: You can download all maps for free. You pay for routing and turn by turn instructions. | 11:54 |
| zackeroo | can I download the maps without paying ? | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | You can use the maps application without the license. It will just show your position on the map. | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yay, nokia noticed the maemo reconstructed proposal | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | Sts: ...and sent the lawyers? =) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | there's probably better candidates for this around iTT really | 12:00 |
| RST38h | ~lawyers Stskeeps | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Ehh, doesn't work =) | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Given Nokia now own Wayfinder, and the routing is free on their phones, I'd imagine that same sales feature would come acrsoss into a more mainstream Maemo 5-based device | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is not free on all phones. | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | Not on my N95 at least. | 12:23 |
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| guardian | is it ok to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts from Nokia-N800-36-5 to something more friendly ? | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Oh, they made Nokia Maps routing free? Are you sure about it? | 12:28 |
| woglinde | guardian it is your device change it as you like | 12:28 |
| guardian | well at point i remember it was related to the bluetooth name | 12:28 |
| * RST38h would be happy if Nokia just ported Nokia Maps to the tablet | 12:29 | |
| guardian | and it was not a good idea to change it | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | All the adverts in the UK talk about the phone including navigation (e.g. the N96) without any mention of additional charges - which the ASA would get 'em for if they didn't mention it | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: "Upgrades available for purchase: Multimedia city guides and Navigation services: Drive - voice guided car navigation, or Walk - pedestrian-optimised turn-by turn guidance" | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | Not free | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4835651 | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Might complain to the ASA then, as I walk past a large poster heavily implying that you get nav included with the phone | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Navigation _capability_ :) | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | No, it's a massive poster with the only photo of the phone showing landscape-oriented nav function. Can't remember the tagline, but there's no "* Navigation is an additional, chargeable add-on". I know, cos I specifically looked :) | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | Texrat got laid off | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Laid off or transferred? It seems to follow from Quim's response that he is getting transferred | 12:34 |
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| Jaffa | Quim's response on Jaiku suggests that although his current role is redundant, he may be able to find another role. But with the 600 or so other jobs Nokia have laid off, I'd guess the internal job market isn't too great. | 12:35 |
| RST38h | it depends on who exactly is getting laid off | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | http://www.itworld.com/business/57229/nokia-lay-about-600-employees | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: and texrat mentioned somewhere he can't relocate | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | cos of family and such | 12:37 |
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| RST38h | If I remember correctly he is somewhere in the US | 12:39 |
| lardman | morning | 12:39 |
| lardman | Jaffa: my book arrived, looks good | 12:39 |
| RST38h | So, he is probably in the US sales&marketing and Nokia is laying off about 350 people there | 12:40 |
| RST38h | no, make it 300 | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | lardman: mine's shipped, not arrived yet (unless it arrives today). Looking forward to it. | 12:44 |
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| tekojo | RST38h: Texrat isn't in marketing, and it is a pity if we can't find him a job in Nokia | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | some more to the busybox vs rest of GNU toolset it claims to replace. Busybox, 300kb flash, the GNU toolset it provides (with man pages, info pages, and locales stripped), 3.8mb flash | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | would you people sacrifice 3.5mb flash instead of a marketing video for not having to fight with busybox sh every day and the tools in it? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | and making porting so much easier of any desktop *nix app (so you can concentrate on hildonization and such) | 12:50 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I have no major problems with it ;) | 12:50 |
| lardman | but yes | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Council feed restored. And cron died on the maintenance node, so it didn' update the feeds ;) | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i get mad every time i try to do find -name something -printf "foo %f\n" :P | 12:51 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, I see your point | 12:51 |
| errordeveloper | if i delete the default pdf reader and media player in favour of evince and ukmp ..it'll try to come back with os upgrade ..right? | 12:52 |
| * X-Fade wonders if he should enable the check for the new categories in the Extras Assistant already. (Warning) | 12:52 | |
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| guardian | playing with aircrack on my n800, after having launched airodump-ng and captured data, i can't ssh to the n800, is it a known issue ? | 12:52 |
| errordeveloper | where to edit apps association to filetypes ? | 12:52 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : you still there? | 12:52 |
| woglinde | guardian install the openssh-server | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: and this 3.8mb flash includes bash, dash, and everything.. full list at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Base_system (scroll down to "Discussion" of minbase) | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Always. | 12:53 |
| errordeveloper | guardian: may be it's cause the cpu is overloaded | 12:53 |
| guardian | woglinde: installed | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | even vim, of all things | 12:53 |
| guardian | woglinde: after ctrl-c airodump-ng i can't ssh login anymore | 12:53 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : so does that mean as it is right now without the lisence I have maps of the whole world? | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Somewhat priceless: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/05/my_dogs_got_no_nose_but_i_didnt_do_it_honest/ | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: For all available countries, yes. | 12:54 |
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| errordeveloper | guardian: does it have somethiong to do with the newspaper? | 12:54 |
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| RST38h | tekojo: So, the numbers in that article are not complete? | 12:54 |
| woglinde | guardian hehe guess why | 12:54 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : wow ... where does it get all the maps from? Wifi? | 12:54 |
| woglinde | guardian connect to you wifi again | 12:54 |
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| X-Fade | zackeroo: Just like every on every Nokia S60 phone with gps. | 12:54 |
| guardian | sorry, got disconnected :( | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: I have no problems with busybox but if you want a real shell, go for it | 12:55 |
| guardian | woglinde: why ? :) | 12:55 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : so it just downloads them through GPS? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: You can download them over wifi or bluetooth tethered to your phone. | 12:55 |
| guardian | woglinde: which means i can't launch airodump through a ssh session right ? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Of course not. | 12:55 |
| woglinde | guardian aeh think why | 12:55 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : I have the N800 and N810 | 12:55 |
| tekojo | RST38h: Markets, manufacturing and distribution, not sales and marketing :-) Texrat is somewhere in there | 12:55 |
| woglinde | guardian the wifi is hopping all channels | 12:56 |
| RST38h | "it just downloads them through GPS" <== golden quote | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, it's not so much busybox sh itself, it's the other tools | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Why don't you just start the map application and find out? | 12:56 |
| RST38h | tekojo: ah | 12:56 |
| woglinde | guardian without connecto to your ap | 12:56 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : ok .. so I have to be online to get maps ... | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: but when stuff like dash exists and i can get a bash if i want to without issue | 12:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: make it tcsh =) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Yes, it has no magical capabilities to get them over brain waves or whatever ;) | 12:57 |
| errordeveloper | guardian: try to reboot anyway | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: And can we please switch to the BSD kernel? =) | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i wish. :P | 12:57 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : sorry man ... I am just learnign about GPS and how it works | 12:57 |
| woglinde | l4 please | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | or l4 would be okay too | 12:57 |
| * Stskeeps hasn't played with l4 for ages. | 12:58 | |
| RST38h | zackeroo: www.wikipedia.org and search for "GPS" | 12:58 |
| lardman | zackeroo: if you've got a hook into the US military I dare say you could try downloading something over the GPS ;) | 12:58 |
| RST38h | zackeroo: it will do wonders to your intellectual horizons | 12:58 |
| errordeveloper | guardian: sorry, haven't read what woglinde said, you don't need to reboot | 12:58 |
| RST38h | lardman: just very slowly and painfully =) | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Although with that bitrate, it would be very slow. | 12:58 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : so with being online... is it much like maemo mapper in that I will need to manually download maps by viewing them? | 12:58 |
| lardman | Indeed | 12:58 |
| woglinde | x-fade yes slower then 9600 | 12:59 |
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| lardman | might as well just use one of their comms sats in that case ;) | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: No, you can just download a whole country in one go. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Not tile by tile like maemo-mapper. | 12:59 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : oh ... that is great ... | 12:59 |
| lardman | or a heliograph to a spy sat perhaps :) | 12:59 |
| guardian | once i ctrl-c airodump-ng, i disconnect wireless then i can't connect anymore. the "select connection" dialog box remains empty | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: And Map uses vector maps, so it doesn't download big bitmaps. | 13:00 |
| woglinde | guardian then airodump do not reset something in a sane way, so you must reboot | 13:00 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : have you ever gotten Maemo-mapper to work with flite btw? | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Use their spy lense as a mirror to relay light! | 13:00 |
| zakkm | is anyone here? | 13:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: :) | 13:00 |
| lardman | zakkm: no | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | zackeroo: Never tried that. | 13:00 |
| zackeroo | X-Fade : so the maps are also smaller when using vector ... right? | 13:00 |
| zackeroo | hmm | 13:00 |
| guardian | woglinde: yep apparently | 13:00 |
| zakkm | is the GPS in the n800 worth using? | 13:00 |
| zakkm | It seems very crappy to me | 13:01 |
| lardman | zakkm: n810? | 13:01 |
| zakkm | n800 | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | zakkm: There is no gps in N800. | 13:01 |
| zakkm | n810 wasnt worth it to me | 13:01 |
| lardman | so yes, it's pretty crappy in the n800 :D | 13:01 |
| zakkm | i got the N800 for $145 used - came with everything, (bought off craigslist so no shipping) mint condition | 13:01 |
| guardian | :) | 13:01 |
| zakkm | really? | 13:01 |
| zackeroo | zakkm: n810 has GPS integrated .. not the N800 | 13:01 |
| guardian | really | 13:01 |
| lardman | ah, you got a BT GPS? | 13:01 |
| zakkm | so then what are the maps ? | 13:01 |
| zakkm | theres maemo mapper? | 13:01 |
| zakkm | does it just get off wifi ? | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | zakkm: Nice to look at? :) | 13:02 |
| zakkm | o | 13:02 |
| lardman | gps or maps? Which? | 13:02 |
| zakkm | i thought it was a gps :( | 13:02 |
| lardman | no | 13:02 |
| zakkm | how much are bt gps's ? | 13:02 |
| zakkm | that work with it? | 13:02 |
| lardman | you'll need to get a BT GPS to go with it | 13:02 |
| lardman | ~£25 for a SirfStar III, which is very good | 13:02 |
| infobot | lardman: what are you talking about? | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | zakkm: They are pretty cheap. | 13:02 |
| zakkm | oh nevermind | 13:03 |
| zakkm | not worth that much to me | 13:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, what is it with you and the BSD kernel? :P | 13:03 |
| zakkm | i dont drive. | 13:03 |
| zakkm | Also, does booting from SD, take more battery life? | 13:03 |
| zakkm | like using maemo from SD rather than flash | 13:03 |
| johnx | a bit more. it depends on the card | 13:03 |
| zakkm | 22mb read/ 10mb write | 13:04 |
| zakkm | 4gb SDHC | 13:04 |
| johnx | right, but how much power does the card use? | 13:04 |
| zakkm | oh | 13:04 |
| zakkm | no idea | 13:04 |
| zakkm | is it significant though? | 13:04 |
| lardman | infobot: just rambling like usual | 13:04 |
| zakkm | i notice my battery life isnt long, in flash or SD. | 13:05 |
| johnx | if you boot off of flash and leave the SD card in the device all the time it would be the same battery usage anyways | 13:05 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 13:05 |
| zakkm | also, one of my SD wont format? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 3.5mb extra flash used for findutils, gzip, hostname, ifupdown, module-init-tools, net-tools, procps, sed, tar, coreutils, grep, mount, bsdutils, dash, debianutils, vim-tiny, mawk, mktemp, sysvutils, iputils-ping, psmisc, time, bash, dash, login, passwd .. bought or sold? | 13:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: Whatever it is, you will never get a proof! =) | 13:05 |
| zakkm | my pc recognizes it. but whatever i format it as , the nokia cannot read it. | 13:05 |
| zakkm | and also the nokia fails to format it | 13:05 |
| johnx | zakkm, n800 right? have you updated from OS2007 yet? | 13:06 |
| zakkm | yeah, newest diablo | 13:06 |
| zakkm | i only bought it last week, but used | 13:06 |
| zakkm | 36-5 i believe? | 13:07 |
| zakkm | and yes n800 | 13:07 |
| zakkm | it says to format from file manager, which i am | 13:07 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds good to me. I'm happy to put busybox behind me :) | 13:07 |
| zakkm | I have a Mac so the only options were to format to MS-DOS(FAT) and NTFS on my pc. | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it'd be in the 9-10mb's honestly | 13:07 |
| johnx | zakkm, do other cards work in your n800? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | but i used packages Eero mentioned and dash and bash on top | 13:07 |
| zakkm | yes, the 4gb SDHC for instance | 13:07 |
| zakkm | johnx: its just this one card | 13:08 |
| zakkm | i have an other 256mb that works perfect for instance | 13:08 |
| zakkm | and the 128mb(the "broken" one) works fine for pc | 13:08 |
| johnx | zakkm, aaah, I really have no idea. maybe you should give up on that card | 13:09 |
| zakkm | it works on pc though? | 13:09 |
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| zakkm | oh well, okay. | 13:09 |
| zackeroo | now supposedly I have the map for Australia in Map, but the detail is very low it seems ... as in I only see main roads and railways | 13:09 |
| johnx | well I have no idea, and it probably has some problem or is slightly non-standard in some way | 13:09 |
| zakkm | oh | 13:10 |
| johnx | also, new 2GB cards should be less than $5USD no matter where you are | 13:10 |
| zakkm | it worked when i bought my device, was OS2007 then though. w.e | 13:10 |
| zakkm | Yeah i bought the 4gb SDHC for $10.49 | 13:10 |
| zakkm | CAD | 13:10 |
| zakkm | it seemed fast though 22mb read/10mb write | 13:10 |
| johnx | exactly. :) think how much a 128MB card is worth | 13:10 |
| zakkm | im broke though, the 4gb + nokia recently purchased make me broke | 13:11 |
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| zakkm | though i get paid tomorrow | 13:11 |
| zakkm | want to buy another 4gb of the same card | 13:11 |
| zakkm | Also, how do i get my pc to recognize the SD, when i boot from SD | 13:11 |
| zakkm | its in use, so it wont work | 13:11 |
| zakkm | Is Android OS , stable to try out? (sorry with the 20 questions) | 13:12 |
| johnx | you can make two paritions and let the PC access one | 13:12 |
| zakkm | no | 13:12 |
| johnx | android OS: currently not worth it on the n8x0 except to mess around | 13:12 |
| zakkm | thats why i was thinking of another 4gb card | 13:12 |
| zakkm | yeah thats what i mean | 13:12 |
| zakkm | but is it a hassle to install though? | 13:12 |
| johnx | yes | 13:12 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 13:13 |
| guardian | woglinde: rebooting worked, without injection aircrack is pretty much useless on the n800 anyway :) | 13:13 |
| johnx | zakkm, hit the forums at ITT. lots of info :) | 13:13 |
| zakkm | oh, is aircrack any good? | 13:13 |
| zakkm | Oh also, some wifis at school, i can connect to , but nothing works? | 13:13 |
| zakkm | and when ppl use their laptop it works | 13:13 |
| zakkm | It connects on good signal, says connected to ___ .. but its as if there is no wifi | 13:14 |
| zakkm | I do read the forums but sometimes the forums are "outdated" or in a newbie sense. | 13:14 |
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| johnx | you'd have to tell us about the connection info | 13:16 |
| zakkm | oh no, cant do that currently, not in school | 13:16 |
| zakkm | should i do ifconfig and write it down? | 13:16 |
| johnx | that's a start | 13:16 |
| zakkm | ok :) | 13:16 |
| johnx | just do: | 13:16 |
| johnx | ifconfig wlan0 > output.txt | 13:17 |
| johnx | route -n > output2.txt | 13:17 |
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| zakkm | okay :) | 13:17 |
| zakkm | oh | 13:17 |
| johnx | then try and ping google.com | 13:17 |
| johnx | you'll need to be root | 13:17 |
| zakkm | on my old 770 i had to download becomeroot ? | 13:17 |
| johnx | ~rootsh | 13:18 |
| infobot | methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 13:18 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 13:18 |
| zakkm | thought it was builtin in diablo | 13:18 |
| johnx | nope. Nokia still doesn't want you breaking your tablet :) | 13:18 |
| zakkm | but your have to know the command | 13:18 |
| zakkm | -.- | 13:18 |
| zakkm | the command " Sudo " or something | 13:18 |
| andre__ | sudo gainroot | 13:19 |
| johnx | with rootsh you can just type "root" | 13:19 |
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| zakkm | oh cool :) | 13:20 |
| zakkm | would be so used to typing sudo // su -i .. though | 13:20 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly to start working on a maemo reconstructed PoC | 13:20 | |
| johnx | sudo gainroot works too with rootsh | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | .. if it's even worth it | 13:20 |
| zakkm | PoC? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | proof of concept | 13:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, actually, this is of interest to me for other projects too. I wonder if the mojo guys have any spare cycles on their little build farm | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: worst case scenario is everyone starts porting to Maemo "R" instead cos it's so much easier :P | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | (i guess is hould find a more non-trademark infriging name. Deblet 2.0? :P) | 13:23 |
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| johnx | too bad. I liked the idea of re-maemo | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | well i hope it's going to be that, but it's always good with a plan B :) | 13:24 |
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| johnx | so start with the current debian packages for hildon and upgrade to fremantle versions later? | 13:25 |
| zakkm | re-maemo? | 13:26 |
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| johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 13:26 |
| zakkm | This proposal was initially written by Stskeeps (Carsten V. Munk), but is intended to be a unified vision that Nokia and the community will agree upon. | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | to end up with, yeah | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm not sure of the actual roadmap - i was thinking re-maemo not as a straight debian/ubuntu deriative, so some design decisions may be changed in the design.. so taking a minimal base, put needed base packages on top, X, recompile SVN versions from stage.maemo.org and such | 13:28 |
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| zakkm | make it like ubuntu, ubuntu sucks :P | 13:28 |
| johnx | ? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | to see how much is possible with a open source base with some addons (hald-addon-bme, wifi firmware, and such, all described how to deal with) | 13:29 |
| zakkm | what about a new WM? :P | 13:29 |
| johnx | ~deblet | 13:29 |
| infobot | somebody said deblet was http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 13:29 |
| zakkm | i know | 13:29 |
| zakkm | but in this new Maemo idea. | 13:29 |
| zakkm | or is it just strictly, "behind the scenes" stuff? | 13:29 |
| johnx | yes, that's pretty much it | 13:30 |
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| zakkm | Is deblet nice on it to replace Maemo, or is it more of a "it can be done"? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: the idea is also not to restrict the platform for one WM/DE too | 13:32 |
| zakkm | so you wanna make a login window? | 13:32 |
| zakkm | sounds good, password protect it too xd | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it can be done but it acts like a laptop. i've had 8-12 hour idle time | 13:32 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think if we go with gtk+ 2.12 from stage.maemo.org most current apps won't work without some change. are you also thinking ohm instead of dsme? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: maybe. but i get the feeling there's a bunch of updates for OHM waiting for fremantle release | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | but then again december is coming where the guy said there would be something | 13:33 |
| johnx | well, maybe we can leave a spot for it with the thought it will be filled in later? it is PoC and all | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 13:33 |
| zakkm | fremantle = after diablo ? | 13:33 |
| johnx | zakkm, yup | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so question is basing on hasty or on debian, where in debian we'd need to spend time on getting upstart updated to latest version, and possibly recompile for armv5/6 | 13:36 |
| zakkm | using "clone SD" and using maemo from SD, is quicker than normal flash right? | 13:36 |
| johnx | hasty is fine with me. and it let's us take advantage of optimizations done by the mojo guys | 13:36 |
| johnx | zakkm, a little bit | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and excersise is targeting 256mb flash for now? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | for base system | 13:37 |
| johnx | should be totally doable | 13:38 |
| johnx | xorg or kdrive? | 13:38 |
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| zakkm | isnt xorg faster? | 13:39 |
| johnx | it depends on the specific hardware | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | we can start with xorg + the omapfb driver being developed for n8x0 and beagleboard by kulve etc. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's the direction nokia is going in anyway, with xorg | 13:40 |
| zakkm | When i had my 770, back in like february, it was rumored that the older mplayer had better performance than the newer one.. does that still exist? | 13:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think it's the direction everyone is going, except maybe redhat :) | 13:41 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: afaik, it (the xf86-video-omapfb) can already be used to watch some videos and scale it.. | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: sounds good :) | 13:44 |
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| zakkm | can the nokia play flv? | 13:44 |
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| johnx | yes | 13:45 |
| zakkm | mplayer doesnt seem to "accept" it? | 13:45 |
| johnx | worksforme (tm). what do you mean "accept"? | 13:45 |
| zakkm | mplayer wont run it.. as if i didnt ask it to open it | 13:45 |
| zakkm | and media player says codec not support | 13:45 |
| zakkm | "media codec not supported" | 13:46 |
| johnx | if you open mplayer first, can you play it inside mplayer? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/UseCases , - seems like OHM will replace MCE functions | 13:46 |
| zakkm | no | 13:46 |
| zakkm | i tried that | 13:46 |
| lardman | what's the message? | 13:46 |
| zakkm | i went to open.. and selected it | 13:46 |
| zakkm | but nothing happens | 13:46 |
| zakkm | nothing happens. | 13:46 |
| zakkm | no output at all | 13:46 |
| zakkm | should i run running mplayer from terminal so theres output? | 13:47 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:47 |
| lardman | though there's a log option in the gu iiirc | 13:47 |
| zakkm | oh i have to type the output ;p | 13:47 |
| zakkm | the video location* | 13:47 |
| zakkm | oh right i put gmlauncher -.- | 13:47 |
| zakkm | no output from terminal? | 13:48 |
| zakkm | just a libc debug conic when i launched it | 13:49 |
| zakkm | not file though | 13:49 |
| lardman | what's the file? | 13:50 |
| zakkm | a flv ? | 13:51 |
| zakkm | plays perfectly on vlc / mplayer on my pc | 13:51 |
| zakkm | mac* | 13:51 |
| lardman | yeah, url? | 13:51 |
| zakkm | it was a downloaded 97mb flv? | 13:51 |
| lardman | I'll try it here | 13:51 |
| zakkm | it wasnt youtube or anything | 13:51 |
| lardman | http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ see what the codecs are | 13:54 |
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| zakkm | i have mac osx | 13:55 |
| zakkm | it was originally a flash stream | 13:55 |
| lardman | Mediainfo? | 13:56 |
| zakkm | when its connected to PC, playing it off the SD card works too | 13:56 |
| zakkm | VLC doesnt show anything for media info | 13:56 |
| zakkm | for the video | 13:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! | 13:57 |
| lardman | try running mplayer from the command line with -v | 13:57 |
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| zakkm | avformat debug: adding es: video codec = FLV1 | 13:57 |
| zakkm | avformat debug: adding es: audio codec = mp3 | 13:57 |
| zakkm | according to vlc | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | about mplayer what does exactly -nocache ? | 13:57 |
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| lardman | no memory cache afaik | 13:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... this is strange as on mpeg4 video it slow without using -nocache | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so i guess the question is how to structure the work.. it's quite easy for me to make a bootable image in tar.gz of minbase | 13:59 |
| herwood | hi | 14:00 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: probably just means it can't decode in real-time | 14:00 |
| johnx | well, now that I have a slightly better grasp of packaging, maybe I could take a shot at some of the lower hanging fruit | 14:00 |
| herwood | has anybody used maemo + qt + AutoTroll? | 14:00 |
| lardman | johnx: Octave? | 14:00 |
| herwood | I can't get the example project work | 14:01 |
| herwood | I mean the AutoTroll's example project | 14:01 |
| johnx | lardman, sorry, I meant maemo-reconstructed | 14:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | lardman : but without cache video is read really well | 14:01 |
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| lardman | johnx: no worries | 14:03 |
| zakkm | even if i set KMplayer to use flash as a backend, it still wont play | 14:03 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: oh, strange | 14:03 |
| zakkm | even though its a total flash file | 14:03 |
| lardman | zakkm: what was the output of "mplayer -v blah"? where blah is your filename | 14:04 |
| lardman | pastebin it | 14:04 |
| lardman | or even better, redirect it to a file and pastebin that to save typing | 14:04 |
| zakkm | filename of video? | 14:04 |
| zakkm | -v "filename of video" ? | 14:04 |
| lardman | what's the name of you video? | 14:04 |
| zakkm | 14945.flv | 14:05 |
| lardman | right, so do this: mplayer -v 14945.flv | 14:05 |
| lardman | or better: mplayer -v 14945.flv &> output.txt | 14:06 |
| zakkm | what the | 14:06 |
| zakkm | now it plays | 14:06 |
| zakkm | in -v ? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 14:06 |
| zakkm | what went wrong then? | 14:07 |
| zakkm | now, i know this wrong to ask, but how well does aircrack work exactly? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think best way to get things rolling is debootstrap hasty minbase, put deblet-boot-basics on top, and omap-fb-console and -tools, and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon for console.. the reason i need to makedev fb0/fb1 and such is because for some strange reason, runlevel S numbering is different for udev and such in ubuntu, and this might have to be fixed in the packages | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. and the obligatory usbnet i guess if not usb keyboard (and remove the rescue menu parts in init scripts, and the check for run from bootmenu with linuxrc in boot-basics) | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | zakkm: does nt work very well proprietary driver can t do injection | 14:11 |
| zakkm | wouldnt that make it extremely slow? | 14:11 |
| zakkm | how long would it take roughly to crack? | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | dpends on network traffic | 14:11 |
| aquatix | quite a while | 14:11 |
| aquatix | and what Khertan_n810 says | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | so take too long without injection | 14:12 |
| aquatix | because you can't inject, you can't speed things up and such | 14:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it takes 4 days on my own network to get my wep key | 14:12 |
| aquatix | time for OSS wifi drivers :) | 14:12 |
| zakkm | lets say 125kb/s traffic ? | 14:12 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: wow | 14:12 |
| aquatix | zakkm: well, something like in Khertan_n810's situation i guess | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | with enormous traffic at 54Mbps | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | file transfer | 14:13 |
| zakkm | ;o | 14:13 |
| zakkm | okay, nevermind | 14:13 |
| zakkm | i was just hoping to crack my schools library wifi | 14:13 |
| zakkm | its the only place in school thats psasword'd | 14:13 |
| zakkm | they put a different password than rest of school for some reason | 14:13 |
| aquatix | hide your tablet somewhere, running from the charger ;) | 14:13 |
| zakkm | theres plugs all over we can use | 14:14 |
| zakkm | but 4 days is too long for me | 14:14 |
| aquatix | or use a laptop | 14:14 |
| johnx | zakkm, just so you know you're on a publicly logged channel :) | 14:14 |
| zakkm | but the output is like 5mbyte/s ? from library | 14:14 |
| zakkm | if that helps? | 14:14 |
| zakkm | yes i do know. | 14:14 |
| zakkm | theres open logs too isnt there? | 14:14 |
| zakkm | google search'd | 14:14 |
| aquatix | yeah | 14:14 |
| johnx | just as long as you know :) | 14:15 |
| zakkm | it's not aganist schools rules, its just nobody has it | 14:15 |
| aquatix | erm, ask? ;) | 14:15 |
| zakkm | they wont tells us ;p | 14:15 |
| aquatix | ah, meh :) | 14:15 |
| zakkm | its not different than the rest of the open places though | 14:15 |
| zakkm | they say library is for library purposes, not for ppl to game on laptops and such. | 14:15 |
| aquatix | where's the wifi for then? | 14:15 |
| zakkm | if you need internet access you can use the schools computers -.- | 14:15 |
| zakkm | the wifi team added it | 14:15 |
| zakkm | the wifi team is student -run | 14:16 |
| zakkm | i guess i could ask them but i dont know any member | 14:16 |
| aquatix | maybe ask around a bit, someone else might know a member | 14:16 |
| aquatix | might be faster/easier than hacking :) | 14:16 |
| zakkm | i didnt think it would take 4 days | 14:17 |
| zakkm | if injection did work, how much faster would it make that ? | 14:17 |
| zakkm | if its quick, my friend may let me use his laptop | 14:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | for wep with injection in the worst case one hour | 14:18 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, so should I debootstrap hasty and start trying to package xf86-video-omapfb? | 14:19 |
| zakkm | wow | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 14:20 |
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| zakkm | whats the chances injection will be added to the n800 ? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: sounds like a plan - except for boot basics and fb-console you cacn just dpkg --force-architecture in the other packages (you might have to edit a little bit in the latter) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | er, in the boot basics and fb console ones | 14:21 |
| aquatix | zakkm: the same as an open source wifi driver appearing for it | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | first hint: apt-utils and wget | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: it exists but isn't that good yet :P | 14:21 |
| aquatix | the current closed source one doesn't let you inject | 14:21 |
| aquatix | zakkm: so, it might show up | 14:21 |
| aquatix | sometime ;) | 14:21 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: any idea on how it's coming along? | 14:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll probably just do it remotely from a minimally altered hasty install | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: i'm honestly not completely sure.. the usual problem of open sourcing something does not mean people will help out | 14:22 |
| aquatix | true that | 14:23 |
| johnx | has anyone gotten a recent kernel booting on the n8x0? | 14:24 |
| johnx | ie, one that stl45xx works with? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: all package sources are on svn or simply in apt-get source i think | 14:24 |
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| zakkm | sweet, ill wait :) | 14:24 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: that'll take longer than 4 days though ;) | 14:26 |
| aquatix | (far longer :( ) | 14:27 |
| zakkm | yeah but it means i dont have to sit waiting 4days in skool :D | 14:27 |
| zakkm | overnight and such | 14:27 |
| zakkm | lol | 14:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, sorry for bein a cheerleader :D but i think if anyone can do it, its you | 14:27 |
| zakkm | if i had a laptop, would it really take under a hour? | 14:28 |
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| zakkm | oh lcuk: you know your liqbase app, where does the camera pics save to? | 14:29 |
| lcuk | ~/.liqbase/sketches | 14:29 |
| lcuk | in chronological sequence alongside the sketches | 14:30 |
| zakkm | the camera app seems to freeze my nokia, when i take a photo | 14:30 |
| zakkm | so i been using your program for camera taking | 14:30 |
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| zakkm | :D thanks | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | well im not sure about resolution etc, its just a lowres face cam, but it works nicely and usually without crashing every 2 minutes | 14:31 |
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| zakkm | also is the cpu throttling only for your program? | 14:33 |
| zakkm | or does it change maemo settings? | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | was there any connection between the various nokia codenames btw? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | cpu is global, it reverts on reboot or when you change it again | 14:33 |
| lcuk | they were all winds or something werent they | 14:34 |
| zakkm | so i can open your app, change cpu throttling, close your app.. and settings will save? | 14:34 |
| zakkm | as long as i dont reboot? | 14:34 |
| lcuk | http://ggweather.com/winds.html | 14:34 |
| johnx | w00! one of my 4GB SDHC cards is toast. *makes another notch on his desk for it* | 14:34 |
| lcuk | yes zakkm, i also havent noticed much of a battery drain even on performance | 14:35 |
| lcuk | i stay in it all day long | 14:35 |
| zakkm | how fast do SDHC's go "toast" ? | 14:35 |
| * aquatix can't find his thumbdrive-like SD reader with 4GB minisd :/ | 14:35 | |
| johnx | zakkm, well it depends on the cause. this one was a little broken from the beginning I think, but now it has too many I/O errors to even write a partition table on it | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: deblet has so far cost the life of a 770 and some sd cards? :P | 14:36 |
| zakkm | I boot from SD, i would hate to lose all my settings and installs and such | 14:37 |
| johnx | so make sure you back up :P | 14:37 |
| Veggen | zakkm: I'd do regular backups :) | 14:37 |
| johnx | it's really easy on a Mac | 14:37 |
| Veggen | dd is your friend (on Linux) | 14:37 |
| johnx | rsync is good if you're booting from SD | 14:38 |
| zakkm | cant dd work on mac ? | 14:38 |
| zakkm | macports probably | 14:38 |
| Veggen | zakkm: hmm, likely. | 14:38 |
| zakkm | ill see if its builtin ;p | 14:38 |
| lcuk | whatever happened to good old CTRL+a, CTRL+c, CTRL+V ? | 14:38 |
| johnx | I would be surprised if it wasn't included with every Mac | 14:38 |
| zakkm | yeah dd is builtin | 14:38 |
| johnx | lcuk, those are actually recent inventions :) | 14:38 |
| lcuk | but io remember them from windows 95? that was the first"operating system" on a computer ever! | 14:40 |
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| johnx | so who's throwing a party next year for the 40th anniversary of Unix? :D | 14:41 |
| zakkm | ME ! :D | 14:41 |
| lcuk | the hippies :P | 14:42 |
| zakkm | your all invited to my cardboard box house :P | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | Party in the basement! | 14:42 |
| aquatix | johnx: i party along! | 14:42 |
| zakkm | dont be too loud though, you might disturb my neighbors | 14:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, by hippies you mean researches at big telecom? | 14:42 |
| * lcuk has tongue in cheek | 14:42 | |
| RST38h | johnx: most of these are gone by now | 14:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: and the Berkeley folks too | 14:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, anyways, hippies know how to party. :D | 14:43 |
| zakkm | when is it next year? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. researchers surely know how to drink | 14:44 |
| johnx | should be december 31st 2009, right? | 14:45 |
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| johnx | or at least that's the 40th year of the Unix epoch | 14:46 |
| lcuk | wont that kinda kill the party when all the admins have to go and patch their systems and recompile and stuff instead of boozing | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going for end of world party at time_t overflow date. | 14:46 |
| johnx | lcuk, nah, that's not until 2038, the end of the world | 14:46 |
| lcuk | or are those two activities not mutually exclusive | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. what johnx said | 14:47 |
| johnx | we'll all round up what alcohol we can and climb up into the hills to watch the world end | 14:47 |
| lcuk | in the hills? using wind power for your servers? | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | or are you gonna share some booze with your handheld machine | 14:48 |
| * Stskeeps has a good place to go in poland when the world ends. | 14:48 | |
| Stskeeps | up in the mountains | 14:49 |
| johnx | nah, they won't work any more. In 2038 the seconds since 1970 will overflow | 14:49 |
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| * RST38h is watching a bunch of folks talking about the next year with The Collider looming over them =) | 14:50 | |
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| RST38h | Have you all *forgotten the Collider? =) | 14:50 |
| * aquatix already named his server to the particle that'll end the world | 14:51 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, didn't know pulseaudio was just a sound server | 14:51 |
| aquatix | what did you think it was? | 14:52 |
| lcuk | im safely contained within a general products hull #2 | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question, ALSA replacement? :P | 14:52 |
| RST38h | It is not just a sound server, it is *another* sound server | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | didn't really research it | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: a sound server people actually develop on? :P | 14:52 |
| RST38h | [which should die bloody death with all the other sound servers] | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not "actually", "currently". | 14:53 |
| zakkm | now that i boot from SD, should i run the quicker SD, kernel? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 14:53 |
| RST38h | There is always a sound server people develop on, it changes every 1-2 years though | 14:53 |
| * RST38h wants his multi-channel /dev/dsp and the death of all the crufty linux sound servers | 14:54 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ever shoehorned anything else than maemo into scratchbox? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | since you spoke of cross-compilation | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | or you just do it manually? | 14:54 |
| zakkm | which saves more battery.... powersave mode or on-demand? ( i dont care about speed ) | 14:56 |
| aquatix | on-demand generally is the best choise | 14:56 |
| aquatix | powersave is unnecessary | 14:57 |
| zakkm | my battery runs out too quickly | 14:57 |
| zakkm | and i dont use it for anything power hungry | 14:57 |
| johnx | powersave may be counterproductive | 14:57 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | pwoersave stays at low speed, itsn ot counter productive at all CPU wise, but if you are having to hold the other components live for longer (which are uneffected by cpu speed changes - lcd/wifi/bt/gps etc) then the battery saving will not be apparant | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | and infact appear negative | 15:03 |
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| johnx | and the CPU is one of the things that has to stay on longer | 15:04 |
| johnx | that's why "performance" mode doesn't make a difference if you're just idling anyways | 15:04 |
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| zakkm | so ondemand is best? | 15:04 |
| johnx | that's the consensus. We invite further research | 15:05 |
| * johnx just remembered to set performance mode | 15:05 | |
| zakkm | i should set performance mode? | 15:05 |
| zakkm | on the forum it says "with cost of battery life" | 15:05 |
| johnx | no, I should, because I don't care about battery right now | 15:06 |
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| aquatix | ondemand puts cpu at work when it needs to, then quickly puts it in sleep again | 15:06 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: just use ondemand | 15:06 |
| lardman | aquatix: clock speed, not sleeping | 15:06 |
| zakkm | k , put on demand | 15:06 |
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| aquatix | lardman: ah, sorry, indeed | 15:07 |
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| aquatix | lardman: but c-states have to do with more than clockspeed alone i thought? | 15:08 |
| aquatix | they can disable parts of the cpu too | 15:08 |
| aquatix | or rather, parts of the cpu can be disabled in a high c-state ;) | 15:09 |
| lardman | yeah, but cpufreq is just clockspeed related afaik | 15:09 |
| aquatix | iirc, it sets c-states too | 15:09 |
| aquatix | or maybe the cpu driver does so | 15:09 |
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| lardman | ok, my mistake then | 15:09 |
| aquatix | powertop says c-state changes, while all i'm running on my laptop is cpufreqd and ondemand stuff | 15:10 |
| johnx | we had the c-states before cpufreq | 15:10 |
| johnx | well, on the tablets at least | 15:10 |
| johnx | I assume it's actually inside the kernel | 15:10 |
| zakkm | got to head to school. ( in 12th grade highschool ) thanks for all your help guys! | 15:11 |
| aquatix | zakkm: hf :) | 15:11 |
| zakkm | thanks :p u2 | 15:11 |
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| * aquatix will try | 15:12 | |
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| lardman | do we need a council meeting? | 15:19 |
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| lardman | after lunch perhaps then | 15:25 |
| lardman | :) | 15:25 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, looks like the mojo guys are working on "icy-armv5el" | 15:34 |
| johnx | I wonder what that is :D | 15:34 |
| * Jaffa fooded up - but a little busy | 15:34 | |
| guardian | is there something i'm missing ? what's the reason behind motion events x and y coordinates being stored as double ? why not a smaller type ? | 15:34 |
| RST38h | guardian: possible rotation? | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, intriped (sp) obviously | 15:39 |
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| guardian | RST38h: a double, like possible rotation around the the sun ? :D | 15:42 |
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| notcoolbuthot | did anyone tried to change the color of a Gdk::Color? did you succeed? not with Cairo, but with the Gdk:GC context | 15:52 |
| RST38h | What exactly should it do to "succeed"? | 15:59 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, falling asleep at the keyboard. I'm leaving my n800 to run badblocks on my dead (?!) sd card | 16:06 |
| johnx | I'll tell you if I get anywhere with xf86-video-omapfb | 16:06 |
| johnx | 'night all | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 16:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs at the idiocy: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=178720020062470171&postID=1993414431113241330 | 16:17 | |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: be sarcastic next time, same effect if the recipient gets it, otherwise they won't be offended ;) | 16:20 |
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| * GeneralAntilles pours napalm all over X-Fade's poor little blog. | 16:21 | |
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| RST38h | it is just another perfectly normal whining guy | 16:26 |
| RST38h | why spend flammable and highly precious bodily juices on him? | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It helps me get up in the morning. | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: person query, Eero, - base system guy? | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, crazy badass platform guy. | 16:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Whose breadth and depth of knowledge are terrifying | 16:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As far as platform stuff goes, his opinion should be place above just about everybody. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/place/placed/ | 16:31 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: As far as platform stuff goes, his opinion should be placed above just about everybody. | 16:31 |
| lardman | RST38h: you have napalm in your veins? | 16:32 |
| lardman | RST38h: be careful tonight at the fireworks | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: *nod* hence why i actually went and tried to verify his questions and clarified in proposal, and still came out with an interesting result | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | http://google-gadgets.garage.maemo.org/ ! | 16:59 |
| lardman | cool :) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | neat - i wonder how much battery it blows :P | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | are they lockable? :> | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I am sure CPU load applet is not shown at these screenshots for a reason =) | 17:18 |
| TPC | RST38h, what I want to know is, in that screenshot, what is that icon in the system tray with the windows xp logo doing there :P | 17:19 |
| RST38h | TPC: This is Google Chrome logo | 17:20 |
| RST38h | has nothing to do with Windoze | 17:20 |
| TPC | it looks like the windows xp logo | 17:20 |
| RST38h | yes, it has got four colors. | 17:20 |
| TPC | the same colors | 17:20 |
| RST38h | if that is what you mean by "looks like" | 17:20 |
| TPC | the only difference is that the square is tilted to the right rather than to the left | 17:21 |
| RST38h | yes, they are red, yellow, green and blue. A traffic light has got three of them too, but it is no Windows logo | 17:21 |
| TPC | otehrwise its identical | 17:21 |
| TPC | otherwise* | 17:21 |
| TPC | er, to the left rather than to the right* | 17:21 |
| * timeless is confused | 17:22 | |
| timeless | google chrome has three colors in a ring around blue(fourth color) | 17:22 |
| timeless | google gadgets has a square of cubes in 4 colors | 17:23 |
| RST38h | All Google services icons: http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/ | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | google is actually the XP logo AI. | 17:23 |
| TPC | that would make more sense, I was wondering if chrome had been ported to maemo :P | 17:23 |
| RST38h | I guess she may have stolen this particular icon from somewhere else :) | 17:23 |
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| TPC | either way, to me it looks close enough to the XP logo that it would be a trademark violation | 17:24 |
| timeless | are you talking about gadgets? | 17:24 |
| timeless | please paste url | 17:24 |
| TPC | timeless, hm.. the logo in question is not on the page you linked to | 17:24 |
| timeless | because the colors for the xp logo are top left red, clockwise green, yellow, blue | 17:25 |
| RST38h | TPC: I am sure Microsoft is welcome to file for trademark violation | 17:25 |
| timeless | the thing i'm looking at has top left red, clockwise blue, yellow, green | 17:25 |
| RST38h | TPC: The case will probably be thrown out for lacking grounds (4 basic colors, etc) but some lawyers in Redmond will make money in the process | 17:25 |
| * timeless didn't link to any pages | 17:25 | |
| TPC | hm.. yes, you're correct | 17:25 |
| TPC | but does switching the place of two colors make it different enough? | 17:26 |
| TPC | maybe I'm just tired | 17:26 |
| timeless | what url are you actually looking at? | 17:26 |
| timeless | :) | 17:26 |
| TPC | the screenshot on the page RST38h linked to at 15:01 GMT | 17:27 |
| RST38h | I have found where that icon came from | 17:27 |
| RST38h | Second icon here: http://desktop.google.com/ | 17:27 |
| TPC | but now that I enlarge it I see that there are other differences as well | 17:27 |
| RST38h | So the lawsuit will have to be brought against Google. Good luck :) | 17:27 |
| timeless | the icon actually has 4 engravings one per color | 17:28 |
| timeless | offhand red is probably an alarm clock, green is probably a magnifier | 17:28 |
| timeless | blue may be a calendar | 17:29 |
| timeless | and i can't figure out what yellow is | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | qWeRtY12 | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | rSt38H | 17:38 |
| jaska | my eyes.. | 17:38 |
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| jackbeslow | anyone know a decent text editor for 2007 that I can enter greek text in? | 18:57 |
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| zakkm | How come when i press power button on my nokia n800, offline mode doesnt show up any more as a choice? | 19:10 |
| zakkm | the list just like got shorter | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you been playing with system files? | 19:10 |
| zakkm | no | 19:10 |
| zakkm | i know how but i havent | 19:10 |
| zakkm | it just happened when i woke up this morning | 19:11 |
| zakkm | like sometimes its there, sometimes its not | 19:11 |
| zakkm | it like triggers on its own | 19:11 |
| zakkm | i wasnt even aware you could mess with anything that could delete it from list? | 19:11 |
| zakkm | oh could it be the cpu throttling? | 19:11 |
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| zakkm | from liqbase? | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/systemui/systemui.xml is where the menu items are defined. | 19:11 |
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| zakkm | should i see whats there? | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do you use Skype? | 19:12 |
| zakkm | yes but not frequently | 19:13 |
| zakkm | i havent used it in days though | 19:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be "phone-call" mode | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, If systemui.xml hasn't been touched by you then look at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121151&postcount=2 | 19:13 |
| zakkm | cant see it in .xml | 19:13 |
| zakkm | i cant see anything that says "offline" | 19:13 |
| zakkm | oh cool, thanks :D | 19:14 |
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| zakkm | what is the builtin note program called? | 19:15 |
| zakkm | not vi.. the maemo one | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | osso_notes | 19:16 |
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| zakkm | qwerty12: it has the word normal in it | 19:16 |
| zakkm | that post doesnt help me then. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 19:16 |
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| zakkm | ill change to flight and see | 19:16 |
| zakkm | oh , need root | 19:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | of course | 19:16 |
| zakkm | not of course ;p | 19:17 |
| zakkm | var/lib doesnt always need root | 19:17 |
| zakkm | anyways uh, i dont have any root program to use root installed, and no wifi | 19:17 |
| zakkm | any other way ? | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | it should as it s for all users | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s easy to get root | 19:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 19:18 |
| infobot | from memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | or use ssh | 19:18 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: i dont have wifi at home. | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | ssh root@localhost | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, and no wifi | 19:18 |
| zakkm | how am i suppose to install it? | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | rather, sorry | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | u don t need it | 19:18 |
| zakkm | i dont wanna boot into flash, add it, boot back into sd :P | 19:19 |
| zakkm | ssh is builtin? | 19:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | no ssh server installed on your tablet ? | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is the first thing to install :) | 19:19 |
| zakkm | ssh not found | 19:19 |
| zakkm | lol | 19:20 |
| zakkm | I run off a mac machine, i havent used gentoo ( used when i used linux ) in like 8 months | 19:20 |
| zakkm | my nokia is farely new too | 19:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep on macosx ssh and sshd is installed by default | 19:20 |
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| zakkm | does it take more battery life, being idle .. in online mode vs offline mode? | 19:21 |
| zakkm | ( not connected to any wifi, bluetooth etc) | 19:21 |
| zakkm | yes i know | 19:21 |
| zakkm | but i havent got round to it | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not unless you have it set to try to auto connect. | 19:21 |
| zakkm | and in mac its quite useless | 19:21 |
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| zakkm | never touch terminal | 19:21 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 19:21 |
| zakkm | i dont | 19:21 |
| zakkm | so its not worth fixing then? :P | 19:21 |
| zakkm | or well, no rush? | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | i suppose you don t know how to make debian package ? | 19:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | do u have the usb cable ? | 19:22 |
| zakkm | yes i have a usb cable | 19:23 |
| zakkm | no , i never used debian? | 19:23 |
| zakkm | i just said i used gentoo XD | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | why do not try usb networking ? | 19:24 |
| derf | Many people have used more than one distribution. | 19:24 |
| zakkm | yes i have, but its been long and i never decided to learn package making | 19:25 |
| zakkm | Khertan_n810: i was told it doesnt work ? | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | or download the sshd deb package on your mac and transfer it by usb | 19:25 |
| zakkm | its not worth thatt much to me | 19:25 |
| zakkm | :P | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:25 |
| zakkm | ill just download the package when i head back to skool in 20min -.- | 19:26 |
| zakkm | :D | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, only if you are using windows. | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | usb didn t work on your mac ? | 19:26 |
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| zakkm | It does, but i thought it would just be a simple menu change | 19:26 |
| zakkm | to fix the offline not appearing | 19:26 |
| zakkm | not connect, download root program, edit this etc | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep but as i said it s setting for all users so it need admin access | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | you ren t on windows | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a linux distro with right | 19:27 |
| jackbeslow | anyone know a decent text editor for 2007 that I can enter greek text in? | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 19:28 |
| zakkm | yes but then ill also need a good systemui file | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | jackbeslow: a texteditor supporting utf8 so ? have you try pygtkeditor | 19:29 |
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| Khertan_n810 | jackbeslow: is it for coding ? | 19:30 |
| jackbeslow | Khertan_n810, nope haven't I will check it out | 19:31 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s mainly a source code editor ... but it should work | 19:31 |
| zakkm | this might sound stupid but how about wine for the tablet ? :P | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | depends of your needs | 19:31 |
| jackbeslow | No, taking a class in ancient greek, I use my 770 for notes for every other class...it would be nice to be able to use it for greek as well | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep as the name said Wine Is Not Emulator | 19:32 |
| jackbeslow | The no was a response to "is it for coding" | 19:32 |
| zakkm | Khertan_n810: i meant in terms of performance and ease of "porting" | 19:32 |
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| zakkm | not is it theorically possible | 19:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | so no emulation ... only windows dll api rewrite ... so x86 binary can t work on a ARM CPU | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, not possible. Period. | 19:33 |
| zakkm | o right | 19:33 |
| zakkm | didnt think of it that way | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | to be short : not possible require a x86 cpu | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're planning to run it under an x86 emulation (think 8-16MHz). | 19:33 |
| zakkm | i was thinking more linux = nokia... wine = "linux" | 19:33 |
| zakkm | qemu ftw! :D | 19:33 |
| zakkm | might as well just run actual windows, if its under emulation ;p | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep you should think wine = 'linux' + x86 cpu | 19:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qemu + wine ... huhu on ppc 2ghz it s run like an 386 8Mhz | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | so i let you imagine on an arm | 19:35 |
| zakkm | lol | 19:36 |
| zakkm | sounds like virtulization is needed | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope ... | 19:36 |
| zakkm | 386 8mhz.. | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | windows is useless on such device | 19:36 |
| zakkm | k | 19:36 |
| zakkm | just asked... | 19:36 |
| zakkm | i got to head back to school, 12th grade FTW! | 19:37 |
| zakkm | seeya, thanks! | 19:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | jackbeslow: to take txt notes it should be ok | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | as it s a source code editor, there isn t any formatting | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 19:38 |
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| jackbeslow | well how do I actually write the letters? How do I switch to a greek font or something? | 19:39 |
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| Khertan_n810 | greek should be managed as it s a nokia font i support utf8 characters | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | you re keyboard isn t in greek ? | 19:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody interested, look over the proposed revision: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | General: user/emulation? please? ;) | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | need more examples of packages by section | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | no more comments it looks pretty reasonable | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, I'm not sure whether the table will be in the policy or not. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it should be | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Need to talk to the appropriate Nokians. | 20:13 |
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| woglinde | hi khertan | 20:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 20:21 |
| * Khertan_n810 is playing with gstreamer | 20:21 | |
| mikkov_ | this one has to be a bot http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24768&page=2 | 20:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t insult bot | 20:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hu? ipython is not available on diablo ... | 20:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | someone know where the package easy-dev put his example file ? | 20:30 |
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| woglinde | khertan dpkg -L easy-dev | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | huhu never see that /floppy folder before | 20:31 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ah yep of course thx | 20:32 |
| woglinde | what? | 20:32 |
| * lcuk waves @ khertan | 20:32 | |
| woglinde | this package has a /floppy folder? | 20:32 |
| woglinde | wtf? | 20:32 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | put example in /usr/share/doc | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, do you want to administer the Turing test? :P | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | which is clean automatically bh maemo | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope, not this package | 20:33 |
| woglinde | khertan hm /usr/share/doc/packagename/example is valid | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | but one create it on my itt | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/itt/it | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | /usr/share/doc $ cat README | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | Purged by docpurge | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:35 |
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| jackbeslow | anyone know how to get numpty physics working on 2007he? | 20:37 |
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| woglinde | jackbeslow install diablo | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | I once built numpty for OS2007 | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | (by disabling email integration, since the API was different) | 20:38 |
| woglinde | time to go home | 20:38 |
| woglinde | bye | 20:38 |
| jackbeslow | last time I tried diablo I had loads of problems. | 20:38 |
| GAN800 | Diablo isn't available for the 770. | 20:38 |
| jackbeslow | ok the one right under diablo it was still 2008 | 20:39 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, that kind of recompilation is one of the key points i remember discussing with you over a massive chicken salad :) *raises a glass to you* | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | cheers! | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | how you doin today? | 20:39 |
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| GAN800 | mikkov_, Shadow Warrior doesn't start for me, I'm assuming I need data from somewhere. | 20:40 |
| jackbeslow | it has a 770 version but not for 2007he... and frankly 2008he runs far too slow on a 770 | 20:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | mgedmin: email integration in numpty . | 20:41 |
| * lcuk would really like to get his hands on a 770 to see if i can tweak liqbase to it | 20:41 | |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, doesnt the new numpty allow uploading levels and stuff? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t know just install the first version to keep quiet a guy with his stuupid iphone | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:44 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:44 |
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| jackbeslow | heh installed the 2008 version for the 770, and it seems to be working | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello, dneary. | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | after that i remove it ... it doesn t understand when i write python line | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is there a way to stop doc purge temporary ? | 20:45 |
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| mgedmin | Khertan_n810: you could move aside the apt hook in /etc/apt/conf.d, IIRC | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | if you have root | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve got a better idea ... get the source package :) | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | but thx | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | yes, extracting the package directly is a better idea ;) | 20:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | huhu ... look a this error : | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | The program 'camera_recorder.py' received an X Window System error. | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | nice isn t it ? | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is their a way to capture screen with gstreamer ? | 21:05 |
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| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: you need the shadowwarrior data files from ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dsw12.zip | 21:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles is interested to see what Karel will have to say once he actually gets the Pandora in his hands. | 21:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, thanks! | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe some sort of indication of where to get it if it doesn't have it when you start it up? | 21:09 |
| mikkov_ | I am still going to finalize packaging with automated data downloading, but game hangs when closing and I was supposed fix that first | 21:11 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why on earth he took a HCI course. | 21:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, I guess it's in Extras-devel and I should just shut the hell up? :D | 21:11 |
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| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: you're on the right track. Waiting for the updated application manager ;) | 21:13 |
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| aantn | is it possible to install maemo 5 from source? | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aantn, um, Maemo 5 doesn't exist yet. | 21:20 |
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| aantn | GeneralAntilles: there's no early work on an implementation? | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Certain projects have Fremantle branches you could play with, I suppose | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they wont work on current devices | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | aantn: any reason you | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The alpha SDK is coming out next month. | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | 're especially interested? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | aantn, you can work on clutter programs if you want to develop off device with no idea of the expected performance levels | 21:22 |
| aantn | Stskeeps: I just noticed the "Calling All Innovators" website | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:22 |
| * lcuk noticed that as well :) | 21:22 | |
| lcuk | they didnt allow .deb files to be uploaded though | 21:23 |
| aantn | lcuk: is there any guarantee that whatever app I create using clutter will be able to function with reasonable performance? | 21:23 |
| aantn | lcuk: what do you mean? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | no | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's the Maemo logo: http://www.callingallinnovators.com/images/partners/gLg_maemo.jpg | 21:23 |
| lcuk | aantn, i entered myself and my app into the innovators competition, word ive had all year is that my app is innovative and new :) | 21:24 |
| aantn | I'm thinking of having a code sprint over then next few weeks to come up with something interesting, but first I want to know more about what I'm getting into | 21:24 |
| aantn | lcuk: what's the app? | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | aantn, called liqbase theres more info and a video of my summit presentation here http://liqbase.net/ | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | i dread to think whats gonna happen when my app is up against the s60 full 3d stuff, i hope i dont end up looking like a dick :( | 21:26 |
| aantn | lcuk: looks neat :) | 21:27 |
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| aantn | Has there been any work done on file sharing over networks or peer to peer connections? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | ssh and scp type things work nicely and i use them all the time with my adhoc wifi network between tablets | 21:30 |
| aantn | lcuk: any nice guis built on top of that? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | on top of what? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | the filesharing or liqbase | 21:31 |
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| aantn | lcuk: the filesharing | 21:32 |
| RST38h | lcukkk | 21:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you should finish and polish your app before s60 3d crap becomes available | 21:33 |
| lcuk | not sure what sorts of things you mean - theres an app called bluemaemo which is a nice customizable bluetooth keyboard SERVER - you use your n8x0 as keyboard to your pc or other device | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, i'd minus the last two k's :p | 21:33 |
| RST38h | this way you can claim having a foot in the door ;) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the competition is geared specifically at getting help and funding and marketting and stuff to complete your app - its in progress and I will not be able to get anywhere near as far as I hope in time on my own | 21:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I wouldn't rely on competitions if I were you | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i am doing things as fast as i can, i cannot do any more though i have family and normal job | 21:35 |
| RST38h | familiar, yes | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i know RST38h i and lots of people see potential in this app and the principles i am building | 21:36 |
| lcuk | i just want to relax and get working on this in the daytime | 21:36 |
| aantn | lcuk: e.g. send photos from your maemo to another maemo in the same room | 21:36 |
| lcuk | aantn, that sort of thing will be completely natural as soon as i get a front facing camera | 21:37 |
| RST38h | hehe: http://exiledonline.com/daily-inquisition-twitter-twats/ | 21:37 |
| lcuk | i have an n800 being sent to me now so i can build ideas from it - its a bit dull at the moment, my 2 n810s can only send headshots | 21:37 |
| aantn | lcuk: ? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | aantn: sounds like something easily done with rendezvous/upnp or the likes.. | 21:37 |
| aantn | Stskeeps: I would think so | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | .. or bluetooth | 21:38 |
| RST38h | "Once youve been a member for a day you are almost certainly going to take the time to learn how to manage your user preferences and delete him and his banal, uninspiring life." | 21:38 |
| * Stskeeps would love more pervasive computing like things for tablets. | 21:38 | |
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| RST38h | Sts: implants? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | aantn, the n810 has a facecam liqbase allows taking unlimited pictures quickly and easily and inserting them into the graffiti stream (alongside sketches) i want this stream to be uploadable to multiple services - including text tweets - i want pictures to flickr, tweets to jaiku/twitter and sketches to liqbase. i want to be able to draw on pictures (silly mustaches or instant postcards or polaroid notes) and have them available | 21:39 |
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| aantn | lcuk: nice | 21:40 |
| lcuk | obviously the sketches are important, i want to keep every single stroke and not as part of a bitmap - so if i upload a finished postcard to flickr it would currently lose that data which is wrong in my eyes | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: boundless, gridded notepad | 21:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: with photos pasted to whatever part of notepad you have been viewing at the moment | 21:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, GTD principle - instant access to data input areas, i write notes and sort them later or i take pics and sort them later | 21:41 |
| glass | lcuk: put the strokes into exif or some hackyhack? | 21:42 |
| lcuk | nahhhh glass - ill just have a site for it | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nah, more pervasive interaction with surroundings, such as, bring this pic im viewing on my tablet to my media center tv screen, print this document on my printer, abuse nearby cpu power | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, imagine simply having multiple views of the graffiti stream - or merges from other streams - i want one tablet sitting next to me showing my grand overview of recent and important things along with what my friends are doing | 21:43 |
| lcuk | the virtual picture frame | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but if i pick that tablet up i want to just be able to make some notes myself | 21:43 |
| lcuk | or if i go onto the website i want to do it there | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah, this will require infrastructure and infrastructure is difficult to achieve consistently for everybody | 21:43 |
| lcuk | rapid data entry is key - liqbase is already faster than paper | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, 99% of the infrastructure can be managed by flickr - they have th eupload capacity for the largest data | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: indeed. | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | hence why i would love to see it :P | 21:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: now, he is talking of media centers etc | 21:45 |
| lcuk | but i am not a business man and i know i have limitations, im just trying to use my tablet to fullest potential | 21:45 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | cpu sharing is simply a daemon - someone hollers on the network "got cpu?" | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | any compatible available devices respond | 21:45 |
| lcuk | need more capacity, move to a location with better hardware ;) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: don't have to be a businessman | 21:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: but DO have to be able to set achieavable goals and reach them in reasonable time | 21:47 |
| lcuk | my mind is deep inside the code :) | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you'll need to think up a wireless communication protocol with WAAAY more bandwidth than wifi. | 21:47 |
| lcuk | i do.. | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | not really, it depends what you want to do | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: read up on cyber foraging for cpu sharing i guess :P | 21:48 |
| lcuk | speaking of reading up, ive gotta have a go at the opengl stuff later | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | General: photos are no problem to transfer over Wifi | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally you don't need CPU help with photos. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | depends what you want to do with them | 21:57 |
| RST38h | And cpu sharing stuff will depend on how big chunk of work that cpu can do before it needs to knock back | 21:57 |
| RST38h | This unfortunately makes quite a lot of algorithms unfeasible but some (like SETI search) will still work | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | .. speech recognition is usually the example | 22:04 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps, johnx, I'm on packaging xserver-omapfb | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: sounds good - looking forward to it | 22:13 |
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| suihkulokki | it's kinda working now.. the screen only updates when returning from blank :) | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, fb_update_mode stuff? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, is the x11-omapfb an optimized version? any chance or sense in trying to slide my yuv hack in amongst it? | 22:23 |
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| l7 | pressing shift+N while in maemo's vi causes a seg fault | 22:28 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: switching to auto makes it work, now to get tslib working.. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it probably slows down | 22:31 |
| suihkulokki | yes. | 22:31 |
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| suihkulokki | lcuk: it's from here: http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | l7, bugs.maemo.org ;) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, so its basically the normal framebuffer driver? | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | hmmm that can be optimised: image-format-conversions.c 36 void packed_line_copy(int w, int h, int stride, uint8_t *src, uint8_t *dest) | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | lcuk: acceleration for video is included | 22:40 |
| lcuk | yes, but i use the video acceleration as base canvas for ui | 22:40 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: hrm, i'll remember to do that | 22:41 |
| lcuk | due to the tearing i have written the only tearfree renderer - i keep wondering how to redirect native x11 itself so it can utilize them | 22:41 |
| l7 | i wonder what shift+N normally does in vi though | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://qwoot.net/other/vim_shortcuts.htm says "find previous" | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | nano segfaults searching, too. | 22:42 |
| lcuk | and that: uv12_to_uyvy | 22:42 |
| lcuk | hmmm small world | 22:43 |
| lcuk | can this be built and used directly in maemo, or is it for deblet? | 22:44 |
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| GAN800 | Poor Mara doesn't know what he's gotten himself into. | 22:47 |
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| suihkulokki | lcuk: maemo is missing a good bit of regular xorg components, but with hard work, why not :) | 22:49 |
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| l7 | hmm | 23:06 |
| l7 | how do you get nano installed on maemo? | 23:06 |
| l7 | is it part of the bash2 package? | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no | 23:06 |
| TPC | alias nano="vi" ;P | 23:07 |
| ||cw | heh | 23:07 |
| l7 | heh | 23:07 |
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| l7 | not that i would ever considering running nano and sacrifice my leet unix cred | 23:08 |
| TPC | the diablo/tools repository seems to have it | 23:08 |
| l7 | is there any way to make sshing into the tablet less laggy? | 23:09 |
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| TPC | use a faster internet connection | 23:09 |
| lcuk | try using performance mode cpu setting | 23:09 |
| TPC | I ssh into mine frequently while its in powersave mode, I haven't noticed any slowdowns | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bzzt, no. | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm | 23:10 |
| infobot | methinks wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 23:10 |
| TPC | normal interactive ssh doesn't require much cpu | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | TPC and lcuk, you're both wrong. :) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | the encryption does | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk. | 23:10 |
| l7 | TPC: it's on the local network | 23:10 |
| TPC | GeneralAntilles, so the speediness of my ssh sessions are imagined? :P | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a CPU issue | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | TPC, it's WiFi power saving | 23:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, cpu starts slowly, ramps up quickly | 23:10 |
| l7 | hmmm | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's not the CPU. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | but the time its slow + the ramp up is saved by being in performance | 23:11 |
| lcuk | it saves *some* | 23:11 |
| l7 | i'll try disabling wifi power savings | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's the wifi power savings. | 23:11 |
| l7 | i wonder how much of a battery hit it will cost | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either disable it and kill your battery life, or keep something using network and kill your battery life slightly less. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you'll get 2-4 days idle on wifi with PSM | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | about 6 hours without. | 23:12 |
| TPC | for transfering files I've stopped using ssh and started using netcat | 23:12 |
| lcuk | i tohught my wifi doesnt powersave on my shed of an adhoc - i DO notice an improvement performance vs ondemand | 23:12 |
| TPC | unencrypting twice, first with the wifi encryption and then with the ssh encryption, seems to cut the bit rate in about half, compared to just using wifi encryption and transfering with netcat | 23:12 |
| lcuk | ssh is havy on encryption | 23:12 |
| lcuk | e | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | PSM is the cause of SSH lag | 23:13 |
| lcuk | then how does TPCs thing work then? | 23:13 |
| TPC | my thing is for file transfers, not interactive ssh | 23:14 |
| lcuk | same protocol | 23:14 |
| lcuk | different amount of data | 23:14 |
| TPC | yep | 23:14 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: awesome it worked | 23:14 |
| l7 | ssh is now very responsive | 23:14 |
| TPC | l7, and the wifi power saver probably turns itself off when it detects more data | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | l7, my recommendation is to just let XChat idle. | 23:14 |
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| TPC | or irssi over ssh :) | 23:14 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: hrm, would ping work? | 23:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | l7, yes. | 23:15 |
| TPC | set it to show seconds, that will generate some traffic often enough that it will keep the power saving off | 23:15 |
| * qwerty12_N800 just lets acmonitor ping google.com | 23:15 | |
| TPC | set irssi to show seconds that is | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | TPC, PSM cycles the radio on and off several times a second. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Timeout is 100ms | 23:15 |
| TPC | *shrug* it works for me | 23:15 |
| l7 | any suggestions on what to ping? | 23:16 |
| TPC | altought I don't experience interactive ssh slowdowns even with nothing using traffic | 23:16 |
| l7 | i could ping localhost maybe | 23:16 |
| TPC | no | 23:16 |
| TPC | ping another computer on the lan | 23:16 |
| l7 | but that may not generate traffic | 23:16 |
| |rt| | default gateway maybe | 23:16 |
| TPC | the gateway would be optimal | 23:16 |
| lcuk | tpc, i can tell the cpu is busy when things run slow whilst sending modest packets | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, what's the intermediate powersave timeout? | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, No idea | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, you're supposed to know these things. :P | 23:16 |
| l7 | too bad screen isn't installed on maemo | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | in powersave it has 100ms when screen on, and 200ms without | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | that's what deblet does atleast | 23:17 |
| |rt| | l7 easy to just background it | 23:17 |
| TPC | it would be nice with a systray app that allows you to change between powersave/ondemand/performance and turn on/off the PSM mode quickly | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, You caught me on a bad day :P | 23:17 |
| l7 | |rt|: hmm yeah | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, would a cookie make it better? :P | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yum, yes plz :p | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~cookie qwerty12_N800 | 23:18 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... | 23:18 | |
| lcuk | tpc, cpu settings at least are configurable directly within liqbase, not quite a systray but close enough | 23:18 |
| |rt| | l7 only thing with backgrounding it is it will live beyond your shell | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, give qwerty12_N800 a cookie, you whore. | 23:18 |
| * infobot gives a cookie, you whore. to qwerty12_N800 | 23:18 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cheers GeneralAntilles! :D | 23:18 |
| TPC | lcuk, having to start an app to change them is annoyuing | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~botsnack | 23:18 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: :) | 23:18 |
| l7 | |rt|: with ctrl-z it usually quits with my shell | 23:18 |
| TPC | lcuk, in that case I might as well do that I do now | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | eh. screen exists for tablet | 23:18 |
| TPC | lcuk, which is open an xterm and run aliases I have set that changes it | 23:18 |
| |rt| | so when you disconnect from your ssh session it will still be pinging....maybe put a killall ping in your bash.logout | 23:19 |
| l7 | man, even ping requires root | 23:19 |
| lcuk | agreed tpc, but its quickest possible right now - 4 easy taps of the cursor and its done | 23:19 |
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| TPC | hehe, the Success error message | 23:21 |
| TPC | I asked an irc-op about that once, they said that thats the error message the ircd generates when it doesn't know what the error is :P | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | or it just means the other end closed down the connection without sending a QUIT message. | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | but did so cleanly. | 23:22 |
| TPC | nah, then it says client quit | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | depends on ircd | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | TPC, Stskeeps should know. :P | 23:23 |
| * Stskeeps hugs his 1596 installations. | 23:23 | |
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| * RST38h yawns | 23:24 | |
| TPC | well, it does on freenode at least | 23:25 |
| TPC | and on the IRC I run too | 23:25 |
| TPC | IRCD* | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | type and version? | 23:26 |
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| TPC | unrealircd, don't remember the exact version number | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | type /info for me will you? :P | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | (on your net) | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | or /quote info depending on your client.. | 23:27 |
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| TPC | 3.2.7 | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't talking about that part :) | 23:27 |
| TPC | oh, I see what you mean :) | 23:28 |
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| cbx33 | hey | 23:38 |
| cbx33 | is it possible to run an app on the nokia, but get it to display on an external X server | 23:38 |
| cbx33 | I tried running up Xephyr | 23:38 |
| cbx33 | and setting the DISPLAY variable | 23:38 |
| cbx33 | but it didn't work | 23:38 |
| TPC | ssh forwarding? | 23:40 |
| TPC | or xpra maybe? | 23:41 |
| TPC | http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra | 23:41 |
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| cbx33 | no | 23:57 |
| cbx33 | ssh forwarding no joy | 23:57 |
| cbx33 | it's like they've been forced to local only | 23:57 |
| TPC | edit the sshd config then and disable that | 23:58 |
| |rt| | or xforwarding is disabled by default | 23:58 |
| Gracana | I can X forward /to/ my tablet, never tried x-forwarding out. | 23:59 |
| Gracana | s/out/from | 23:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it didn't work well for me when i tried it but i didn't start a new sapwood server at the time: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png | 23:59 |
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