IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-11-06

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|rt|looks like X11Forwarding is set to yes on /etc/ssh/sshd_config00:00
cyrus__Does the N810 run on a omap1 or omap2 processor00:01
|rt|hehe odd when I ssh into my tablet even with X forwarding on it's running the applications on the tablet....I haven't checked what the display is set to though00:03
TPCI've never done ssh forwarding that way around00:05
TPCbut I've done it several times running apps from my desktop comp on the N80000:05
Veggenrt: I think it sets the display explicitely in the .profile or such.00:05
l7hmm, funny how having idle applications keeps the processor for cycling down00:05
|rt|well i was just poking around after cbx33's questions00:06
cbx33|rt|, I tried changing DISPLAY00:07
cbx33didn't work00:07
|rt|yeah I did the same dice00:07
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l7is it possible to force the cpu to cycle down?00:07
TPCare you running ssh with -X?00:08
TPCl7, yes, in a terminal00:08
l7TPC what is the command?00:08
|rt|TPC yeah I connected to it with -X here00:08
cbx33and I just set the DISPLAY after logging in with -X and it still doesn't work00:08
TPC-X should set the display automagically00:09
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cbx33it _should_00:09
TPCl7, I have these aliases set:00:09
|rt|TPC it was set to 0:0 by default and was running the apps on the tablet's screen00:09
TPCalias performance='su -c '\''echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''00:09
TPCalias ondemand='su -c '\''echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''00:09
TPCalias powersave='su -c '\''echo powersave > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''00:09
TPCperformance = max cpu always, ondemand = change dynamically, default mode, powersave = always use min cpu00:10
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l7TPC: ah very nice00:10
TPCthere are some other files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ that you may want to check out00:11
l7it would be nice if nokia integrated those three  options into the battery icon00:11
l7apple gives you those basic options in OS X00:11
TPCits getting late, time to turn off the screen I think00:12
cbx33regarding X forwarding00:13
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GAN800l7, 'adv-power' is on my list of projects to find somebody to develop. ;)00:15
l7how strange, there's a .bashrc file in root even though i never installed bash00:15
l7GAN800: ah nice :)00:16
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lcukGAN800, it would be really nice indeed to have something profile based, not just for cpu, but brightness/volume/cpu/network00:17
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lcukacmonitor on steroids00:17
l7TPC: not sure that alias works on busybox00:18
lcukwhy so long? im already half way along00:18
l7i guess i have to install bash after all00:18
qwerty12_N800with ssh x forwarding, here's what i did but themes are messed:
TPCl7, maybe not, I have bash installed, but its probably just a small modification to make it work00:18
GAN800lcuk, because it's not a high-priority issue and infinite manpower isn't a thing yet.00:18
l7i'll see if it works under bash00:18
l7i was wondering if busybox might perform faster00:19
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lcukwell we know that, but if we only coded for high priorities we would get nowhere00:19
GAN800You're misunderstanding the definition of priority00:20
GAN800(in this context)00:20
lcukand since your high and mine are different the chances of someone getting off their arses soon are high00:20
lcuki see LOTS of people moaning about the cpu and coming up with ways to do it00:20
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GAN800lcuk, find somebody to step up and get coding if it's something that really interests you.00:21
lcukits only a hop skip and a jump before someone takes a desktop applet and does it00:21
lcuki already did00:21
lcukit works00:21
lcuktpc has his own solution00:21
lcuksomeone else will do it with a real icon soon00:22
TPCif there was perl bindings for hildon I would have done it already :P00:22
dksaarthHi guys - I'm trying to get an emulator / sandbox version of maemo going - i'm following the guide at, and am at the stage "sudo maemo-tools install etch" Unfortunatly one of the package downloads times out, and when i restart it it wants to download the whole lot again00:22
GAN800Which is the wonderful thing about open source communities00:22
dksaarthis there a way to restart it ?00:22
lcukyes gan00:22
GAN800Expecting Nokia's priorities to align with your own is silly, though.00:22
dksaarth(downloading 150+ megs twice tonight already, on a 384k line....not fun :)00:23
lcukagreed gan00:23
lcukit sounded like you were waiting for nokia to build it for us00:23
GAN800lcuk, never. :)00:23
lcuk:) good00:23
lcuki wonder what rm is doing with himself at the moment ...00:24
GeneralAntillesI'm going to tie him in front of a computer soon.00:24
lcuki have a feeling hes already there :)00:24
GeneralAntillesIt's gonna be Clockwork Orange, but he's gonna code statusbar applets instead.00:25
lcukhow do you know hes not already?00:25
GeneralAntillesBecause he's not here. :P00:25
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TPCsend him to the IIS or something, and take away the rescue pod they have00:25
lcukothers are missing also - are they not coding either?00:25
TPCthen connect it to the internet00:25
GeneralAntillesThey may be coding, but they're not coding for Maemo.00:26
dksaarthany advice on restarting the tool install with the already downloaded apt packages ?00:28
lcukdksaarth, ouch00:28
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lcuki dunno though, ive only ever downloaded an all in one vmware image00:29
lcukwell it was 2 files but you get the idea00:29
dksaarthaah yeah00:29
dksaarthshould have thought of that ;)00:29
lcuki think its over 1gb00:29
dksaarthor not then :)00:29
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lcukheh, do you know which file/repo its trying to connect to00:30
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dksaarthit doesn't seem to be the repo, but my connection - failed on two files the first time, then the second time round failed on one tiny little file which downloaded fine the first time00:30
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l7 has an interesting power script00:34
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mib_hjumvfhi all00:40
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mib_hjumvfI will fly to spain tommorow, how can I use my N800 as a gps? I got a bluetooth gps00:41
mib_hjumvfhow can I install navicore?00:41
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l7how can i check my tablet's current processor speed from the terminal?00:42
dksaarthAnybody got any advice on resuming the tool installation ?00:42
l7there's a CPU speed applet, but it doesn't seem too accurate00:43
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mib_hjumvfl7: does cat /proc/cpuinfo help00:44
l7mib_hjumvf: ah neat, it says BogoMIPS        : 164.3600:45
StsN800l7, cpufreq, /sys somewhere00:45
StsN800bogomips isn't current00:45
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mib_hjumvfI guess my question was not that good00:46
mib_hjumvfstill, I seek any current advice on how to navigate using maemo00:46
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l7maybe it's /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq00:47
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StsN800mib_hjumvf, maemo mapper00:47
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StsN800cache maps00:48
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mib_hjumvfStsN800: I need POI and voice guidence00:48
mib_hjumvfI want to pay and buy00:48
mib_hjumvfjust aint sure what it is called00:49
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cyrus__is there a way to disable the boot splash screen (holding hands) as the kernel boots so that you can see the messages?00:49
Proteousnothing easy00:49
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qwerty12_N800from the application manager, it's called map00:49
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zakkmHow would i fix Application Manager00:49
mib_hjumvfqwerty12_N800: right00:50
zakkmit said something like lock file/folder not found00:50
mib_hjumvfI think I uninstalled it back00:50
zakkmvar/lib/ not found?00:50
zakkmdirectory not found00:50
mib_hjumvfis "map00:50
mib_hjumvfis map the program I can buy maps from nokia?00:50
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l7interesting, media player takes about twice as long to load on powersave compared to performance00:52
l712 sec vs 6 sec00:52
zakkmI was told earlier today, ondemand is best.00:52
StsN800powersave isnt exactly speedy..00:53
l7yeah for most things00:53
GeneralAntillesI don't get the netbook market.00:54
l7powersave seems like it would be handy for leaving the tablet in standby00:54
GeneralAntillesIf it's not pocketable, it's basically worthless for me.00:54
l7w/o quitting your apps00:54
l7i want a netbook actually00:54
zakkmthe battery life is good00:54
l7if you're a student, it's very handy00:54
zakkmand it fits in backpacks beter00:54
l7if you drive everywhere though, i suppose a regular laptop works just as well00:55
zakkmmost of the ppl in my grade ( grade 12 ) have netbooks00:55
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GeneralAntillesl7, sure, having one is one thing00:56
GeneralAntillesBut some people see them as tablet replacements00:56
GeneralAntilleswhich I just don't get00:56
zakkmIf i boot from SD, is the internal flash still accessible?00:56
GeneralAntilleszakkm, you can mount it, but it doesn't automatically mount by default.00:57
l7GeneralAntilles: they're handy for typing on00:57
zakkmoh okay00:57
l7comapred to a tablet00:57
zakkmtoo lazy then00:57
zakkmi was thinking cause the systemui.xml is fine on normal flash.. but not on SD booting00:57
l7guess it really depends on your specific application though00:57
zakkmso i was thinking of mv'ing it00:57
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qwerty12_N800mkdir /mnt/flash ; mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/flash/  - should do it afaicr00:58
dksaarthAnybody got any advice on resuming a tool installation ?00:58
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zakkmim charging my nokia, :P i need to get wifi :(00:58
zakkmHow long does it take to crack a WPA key vs a WEP key?00:58
qwerty12_N800to run mkdir & mount? ;P00:59
zakkmso i can fix package manager00:59
zakkmapt-get is broken -.-00:59
l7okay, this is rather strange, the CPU speed applet and cpuinfo_cur_freq don't always present the same data01:00
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GeneralAntillesl7, it's probably polling01:00
GeneralAntillesI doubt there's a dbus signal to track.01:00
mib_hjumvfwell, good night01:01
l7GeneralAntilles: yeah it's doing it a bit strangely01:01
l7in ondemand mode even after a fresh reboot, it reports the CPU speed at 400 most of the time01:01
l7even when cpuinfo_cur_freq says it's 16501:02
zakkmthats what ondemand does doesnt it?01:02
l7the data agrees when it set the tablet on performance or powersave01:02
zakkmit raises and lowers cpu depending on demand :P01:02
* qwerty12_N800 feels like throwing in the dsp factor too for fun to add to the cpu speed confusion ;P 01:03
l7zakkm: this is right after a reboot though.  there shouldn't be other programs wasting cpu cycles01:03
l7and therefor my battery :\01:03
zakkmbut when you switched01:03
zakkmit took cpu to change01:03
zakkmwhen you switched apps to see the "400"01:04
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l7er, i didn't switch apps01:04
l7the cpu speed app just sits on the desktop01:04
l7i do cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq01:05
l7to fetch the other data point01:05
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ProteousWEP is trivial to crack, it's broken, WPA it still sort of time consuming01:05
ProteousWEP can be cracked in a very short amount of time if you have an active access point or an AP that can be tricked into creating data01:06
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zakkmhow long does WPA take?01:06
zakkmon the nokia?01:06
zakkmlets say 75% signal?01:07
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Proteoushah, forever01:08
zakkmnevermind then01:08
Proteouswell, unless they used an easy password that you can brute force with a good password list01:08
zakkmhow long then?01:08
zakkmis it worth trying?01:08
zakkmbruteforce would take ages wouldnt it01:09
zakkmlike YEARS +01:09
Proteousdepends on how strong of a password was picked01:09
Proteouslike if you tried to brute force my WPA2 passpharase it would take untill the heat death of the universe01:09
zakkmyeah thats what i mean01:10
Proteousit's sorta long01:10
zakkmi dont want anything longer than like 2-3 days01:10
Proteouswell, the hardest part would be finding/writing the required program to do this01:11
Proteoussince there aren't any  at the moment01:11
Proteousfor the nokia tablets at least01:11
Proteoussince the wifi stuff is closed source people haven't been able to write the injection drivers needed to easily break wep01:12
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l7hmm, putting the tablet in offline mode with no desktop apps or load applet makes the cpu speed01:14
l7            appear to be 165 most of the time01:14
l7though it spikes to 400 every 5-10 seconds01:14
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l7i wonder if it was loadapplet that was wasting CPU cycles01:18
l7is there a program for tracking the cpu speed's history?01:20
l7i can tell now that the CPU speed stays at 165 most of the time and cycles to 400 every 10 seconds or so which seems healthy01:21
l7but of course, the polling from the speed applet could be wasting cycles too01:21
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l7ah advanced backlight control is sweet01:24
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l7now i can get rid of the display and sound icons from the status bar01:25
l7cpu load applet did cause the processor to cycle to 400 more often01:25
l7it's on 165 for 10 seconds then 400 for about 501:26
johnx_that's a little high01:26
johnx_does top say anything is running?01:26
l7actually 165 for 10-19 seconds and 400 for 5 to 1001:27
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l7johnx_: that's the thing though, top is the only thing that uses CPU... aside from maemo-launcher01:28
l7maemo launcher is using 0.9 mostly01:28
l7Xomap uses 0.1 to 0.5 too01:29
l7i'm assuming this funny version of top always sorts by CPU speed01:29
johnx_that shouldn't be enough to trigger the the speed-up for cpufreq01:31
l7maybe my method of measurement isn't that great01:32
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l7considering i'm using the homecpuspeed01:32
l7apple from extras01:32
l7is there a better way to get measurements?01:32
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l7i guess the best proof might be to see how long the tablet lasts on idle with wifi on01:34
l7or i could reflash and see if it lasts longer01:34
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johnx_do you have a lot of those home* applets running?01:42
l7just the one for cpu speed and hard drive space01:44
l7the hard drive space one should not poll very frequently if it's done right01:44
l7also OM weather01:44
johnx_the cpu speed one might poll frequently enough to cause problems01:45
l7yeah, i was wondering if there was a better way to monitor cpu speed01:46
johnx_not really I think01:46
l7or get a graph, short of installing KDE01:46
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l7i guess that gives me an excuse to figure out SD booting and install KDE01:46
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l7hrm, maybe it was OM weather01:47
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l7after i let it update it's weather data the tablet is sitting at 165 solidly01:48
cyrus__Question regarding the n810 kernel source. Is the kernel source avaialble from Nokia a stock 2.6.21 with the omap patches (from applied. Or are there additional changes that Nokia has done?01:48
l7nevermind i update it again and it cycles up to 400 again01:49
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cyrus__Question regarding the n810 kernel source. Is the kernel source avaialble from Nokia a stock 2.6.21 with the omap patches (from applied. Or are there additional changes that Nokia has done?01:51
johnx_cyrus__, We saw that the first time you sent it.01:53
johnx_why not just download the kernel source and diff it?01:53
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dksaarthhacked a couple of scripts, and got my install tools to resume02:08
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zakkmHow big is Deblet?02:15
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zakkmor easy debian ( prefer deblet though )02:16
GeneralAntillesDepends on what you install.02:16
zakkmthe base02:17
zakkmand what does it come with?02:17
GeneralAntillesDepends on what you install02:17
zakkmnot counting browser , openoffice nothing02:18
zakkmthe "install" deb?02:18
GeneralAntillesThe .deb installs an installer02:18
GeneralAntillesThen you have a number of different options from there02:18
GeneralAntillesWith a working DE, probably 400MB02:18
zakkmnot DE02:21
zakkmbefore DE02:21
zakkmjust base and X02:21
GeneralAntillesMaybe 250MB?02:21
GeneralAntillesIt wont fit on the rootfs.02:21
zakkmoh sweet02:21
zakkmi can do that tonight02:21
zakkmyeah, i got a 4gb SDHC02:21
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zakkmgoing to buy another either tomorrow, or this weekend ( get paid tomorrow )02:23
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zakkmis kde358 PBv4 CODENAME ZELDA, any quick ?02:26
zakkmis it worth using to show a friend kde?02:26
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zakkmhow would i fix a broken APT , on maemo?02:28
johnxdefine "broken"02:28
zakkmi get a folder not found, in application manager log02:28
zakkmonesec ill write it down exactly02:29
zakkmapt-worker: can't remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock: not a directory , E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lkock - (20 not a directory ) E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?02:30
zakkmat one point it says02:30
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zakkmerror on line 1 char 1 , document was empty or contained only whitespace02:31
zakkm(/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues <--- for last line )02:31
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zakkmI'm scared, i just rebooted my nokia02:36
zakkmand its all White02:36
zakkmlike WSOD.02:36
GeneralAntillesN800s don't WSOD02:37
johnxn8x0 don't get WSOD02:37
zakkmi said like02:37
zakkmi didnt say it is02:37
zakkmim just describing the situation02:37
johnxjust trying to reassure you :)02:37
zakkmI know i am aware02:37
zakkmi had a wsod'd 77002:37
zakkmi turned it off, turnedit on02:37
zakkmit said booting from mmc2 for agess02:37
zakkmso i took out battery02:37
zakkmput back in02:37
zakkmand its total white02:37
zakkmWhat should i do? :(02:38
johnxunplug power and batter02:39
infobotjohnx meant: unplug power and battery02:39
johnxput in battery, then plug in the charger and boot to flash02:39
zakkmwait now its fine xd02:39
johnxif I had to guess I'd say there is some corruption on your sd card's fs02:40
zakkmsorry, got really scared :(02:40
zakkmi just bought it?02:40
zakkmits like 3 days old02:40
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zakkmwhat the, it said 8 days idle before in SD mode, now it says 10 days in flash mode ?;p02:40
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zakkmcan my SD really take that much power consumption?02:41
johnxit said 8 days on a full charge?02:41
zakkmits not fully charged02:41
zakkmits close though02:41
zakkmbut in flash now it says 10 days.. 10min ago in SD it said 8 days02:41
zakkm(flash cant read SD card)02:41
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johnxthe battery charge meter isn't really accurate02:42
johnxdon't read too much into it02:42
zakkmits a A-DATA 4GB SDHC class 6, 22mb read / 10mb write02:42
zakkmim not02:43
zakkmbut why would the meter raise02:43
zakkmyeah i think theres something wrong with my SD02:43
johnxbecause. it's. not. accurate.02:43
zakkmits not booting to it anymore02:43
johnxyes. the fs is corrupted02:43
zakkmits just stuck at "booting from mcc202:43
zakkmany uhh02:43
zakkmi take that a yes?02:44
johnxit's in e2fsprogs02:44
johnxyes, you should run fsck on the card from flash02:44
zakkmthought fsck would call on e2fsprogs02:44
johnxyes, really02:44
zakkmnot be in it?02:44
johnxe2fsprogs is a package, fsck is a command02:44
johnxBTW, if you get another card, don't buy ADATA02:44
zakkmwhy not02:45
zakkmit was cheap02:45
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johnxmy 4GB A-DATA just died too02:45
johnxI bet yours will be dead by the end of the month02:45
zakkmk i wont buy again02:45
zakkmim buying another 4gb02:45
zakkmwhats the command do i put02:45
l7johnx: how long did it last?02:45
zakkmim in flash now02:45
zakkmSD is "internal"02:45
l7i've had my 8gb adata for about a year now with no problems02:45
l7granted fairly light usage02:45
zakkmit was cheap and it had fast speeds02:45
johnxl7, my 8GB is fine actually02:46
johnxl7, less than a couple days02:46
zakkm4gb - $10.49 Canadian02:46
zakkmbought instore02:46
zakkmseemed fast02:46
johnxzakkm, fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p102:46
zakkmjohnx: thanks02:46
l7maybe the batches vary02:46
johnxmaybe, but I bought mine in a pretty different location02:46
l7where'd you get it?02:46
l7i got mine from newegg02:47
zakkmfsck not found.02:47
l7which is pretty standard02:47
zakkmi dont have a root program02:47
johnxzakkm, install e2fsprogs02:47
zakkmi have no wifi at home02:47
infobotmethinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here:
zakkmi know02:47
zakkmwent through this about 7 hours ago02:47
zakkmtrying to fix something else02:47
l7rootsh is in the extra repo iirc02:47
zakkmk ill get the deb02:47
zakkmi have no wifi.02:47
johnxI remember, I was there. I sent that before I saw you didn't have wifi02:47
l7what did you do?02:48
zakkmneighbor turned on wifi02:48
zakkmturns it on like 20min a day -.-02:48
disco_stulol !!02:48
zakkmoh ya02:48
zakkmgotta help me fix apt-get XD02:48
l7you don't have your own wifi?02:48
zakkmi thought we did02:48
johnxthe apt-get problem is on flash?02:48
zakkmi only bought nokia less than a week ago mind you.02:48
disco_stuzakkm: dont you have a notebook ?02:48
zakkmohh its in extras02:48
zakkmim 17 years old02:49
zakkmi cant afford much02:49
disco_stuwith a notebook you can share its wireless conection02:49
johnxzakkm, I know the feeling. :)02:49
zakkmk downloading roosh02:50
disco_stui'm 23 and i still cant afford much :D02:50
zakkmdamn i have to retype fsck02:50
zakkmok its done02:51
zakkmchecked clusters : 52554 ,,,,, /dev/mmcblk09p1: 92 files, 52554/61663 clusters02:51
johnxdid it fix anything?02:52
zakkmi dont know, let me reboot02:52
zakkmtoo late02:52
zakkmits off02:52
johnxis your card split into more than one partition?02:52
zakkmits uhh02:52
zakkm"clone to SD" deb02:52
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zakkminstall-tools ?02:52
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GeneralAntillesBe nice if penguinbait had put together a wizard or something instead of those evil debs.02:53
zakkmi dont mind debs as long as they work :P02:53
GeneralAntillesThey scare me.02:53
johnxah well, once you're back in flash I'll help you figure out where everything's installed ...02:53
zakkmyou can tar them, cant you?02:53
zakkmjohnx: should i try boot from SD now? or boot into flash?02:54
zakkmfsck finished , nokia is off02:54
johnxyou can try to boot from sd, but I think I told you to fsck the wrong parition02:54
johnxno harm done, but it probably didn't fix anything :)02:54
zakkmsounds like a gamble opprotunity here :D02:54
johnxBTW, if anyone wants to see what happened to my adata 3GB SDHC card after a month of use:
zakkm3gb card?02:55
zakkmi never heard of that02:55
infobotjohnx meant: BTW, if anyone wants to see what happened to my adata 4GB SDHC card after a month of use:
GeneralAntillesjohnx, no wonder it stopped working. :P02:55
johnxheh, I'd be happy if I could still use 3GB of it02:55
zakkmjohnx: didnt help :P02:56
GeneralAntillesI should mock up a bootmenu control panel. . . .02:56
disco_stuwith did it die ?02:56
johnxGeneralAntilles, like the mac os x one?02:56
zakkmgeneralantilles: add daemon add/remove support.02:56
johnxzakkm, that's already available02:56
GeneralAntilleszakkm, they already have that.02:56
GeneralAntillesjohnx, could be an option, how would you detect bootable partitions, though?02:57
johnxGeneralAntilles, easy, presence of /sbin/init02:57
zakkmi tried removing stuff , everything fucked up and i had to reflash02:57
johnxno init = not bootable02:57
zakkmsafe stuff lol02:57
zakkmi am an old gentoo user02:57
zakkmi removed bluetooth and stuff cause i dont have those -.-02:57
zakkmlike ubuntu , why did they add it as default -.-02:58
GeneralAntillesjohnx, actually, that's an interesting question (mostly because I don't know enough to know, not necessarily because it's actually interesting ;)), how automatic can we make the boot volume setup process?02:58
zakkmokay johnx: whats next?02:58
johnxzakkm, type this exactly: ls /dev/mmcblk0p?02:58
johnxtype the ? too :)02:58
zakkmthat would just see if theres files?02:59
zakkmyou telling me my SD is broken?02:59
johnxzakkm, just tell me the output02:59
zakkmtyping, im slow02:59
johnxit tells you about the partitions available on that sd card02:59
zakkm0p1 , 0p2 , 0p303:00
zakkmoh right, its /dev -.-03:00
zakkmjohnx: ?03:01
zakkmoh, sorry.03:01
zakkmmy answer is buffering03:01
johnxsfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk003:02
johnx^just lists the size of partitions^03:03
zakkmsfdisk not found03:03
johnxyou need to be root03:04
zakkmoh sorry03:04
zakkmdoes rootsh let me do "sudo ___"03:04
johnxyes, I think so03:04
johnxsudo gainroot03:04
disco_stujohnx: i have a doubt03:05
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johnxhmm? I just typed sudo gainroot and it worked03:05
zakkmit looks right03:05
disco_stumy n800 is booting from its flash memory, and i'm running out of space to intsall new stuff, what can i do ?03:05
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zakkmit is right, i dont know what your looking for though03:06
zakkmdisco_stu: dont install to SD , one day it will break and then your screwed like me :(03:06
johnxzakkm, I want to know which partition has your "boot from sd" filesystem03:06
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zakkmmy guess is p1 , its the samllest03:06
zakkmand the first03:06
johnxdisco_stu, you can boot from sd but sometimes that runs into problems with crappy cards03:06
zakkmonly fat1603:06
johnxit's not p1 :)03:07
zakkmp3 = swap , p2 = linux ?03:07
johnxwhich one says it has a "Linux" fs on it? according to sfdisk03:07
disco_stujohnx: what can i do, i dont want to boot from sd03:07
johnxdisco_stu, delete some stuff to make room. how much space do you have left?03:07
zakkmdisco_stu: you could clone, and then mount the SD , for installed programs ?03:07
johnxGeneralAntilles, thinking about it :)03:07
zakkmmount the SD to /var only ?03:07
zakkmor something03:07
zakkmcard in - all programs  card out - not all programs03:08
johnxzakkm, so try fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p203:08
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I was trying to find the right control panel to take a screenshot of for the base and got sidetracked by this insanity:
zakkmstarting to wish i had a n810 -.-03:08
johnxdisco_stu, did you delete and/or move the nokia manuals, pictures, music and video yet?03:08
zakkmjohnx: it replied "clean"03:09
zakkmit didnt do anything.03:09
disco_stujohnx: yes03:09
zakkmdisco_stu: open it up, replace the flash memory, clone it first though"03:10
disco_stui also killed /var/cache/apt/*03:10
zakkmoh johnx03:10
zakkmi have mmc2 which is the fat partition i believe03:10
zakkmand playback from a vid on it is working fine03:11
johnxthat's not really related, but it's nice to hear I guess03:11
zakkmso its not p1 ? :P03:11
johnxtry fsck -a -f /dev/mmcblk0p203:11
zakkmp2 = fsck says its clean03:11
zakkmk its running03:12
zakkm0.6% non-contiguous03:12
zakkmits done03:12
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zakkmits just not booting, it doesnt seem corrupt in any way03:13
zakkmthe bootloader is going fine , for instance03:13
johnxwell, apt broke and then suddenly it doesn't boot. right?03:14
johnxthat's awfully suspicious, isn't it?03:14
zakkmyeah but all this fsck stuff seems like its okay03:14
johnxyeah, that has me confused too03:14
zakkmi dont know anything besides fsck03:15
johnxif it was me, I'd just backup anything I needed and reclone03:15
johnxbut it's your choice of course03:15
zakkmlast resort?03:15
johnxwell, there's other stuff you can try if you want to learn a lot about linux03:16
zakkmi know linux, i just dont know the tablet03:16
disco_stuwhy is neccessary to make a swap partition03:16
johnxdisco_stu, it isn't03:16
zakkmvirtual memory.03:16
disco_stuthe tablet creates a swap space03:16
zakkm"extra ram"03:16
disco_stuzakkm: i am an old linux user03:17
zakkmit restarts i believe, if it runs out?03:17
disco_stui know what is swap for03:17
zakkmboot from SD, swap partition? :P03:17
johnxzakkm, ok, then disable the boot screen and enable fbcon and try and see where it fails to boot03:17
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GeneralAntillesHrm, user-friendly English l10n for a bootmenu control panel?03:17
zakkmew no03:17
zakkmill backup lol03:17
disco_stubut i dont know why create a swap partition when the NIT is able to create swap space by herself03:17
johnxzakkm, if you know linux, it's not that hard :)03:17
zakkmbut i already had a wsod nokia n770 after two weeks03:18
zakkmi cant risk it03:18
zakkmat least computer harddrives , are easily changed03:18
zakkmadded to other pc, format.. etc03:18
zakkmif i fail03:18
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zakkmi just said i dont know the device. I dont know what it has and doesnt has03:18
johnxyou can reflash if you mess up, but we're talking about messing with the fs on your sd card03:18
zakkmto me a bootloader is either grub, lilo, windows or mac03:18
johnxGeneralAntilles, Boot device?03:19
johnxstartup device?03:19
zakkmyes but isnt the bootmenu on the flash?03:19
zakkmand it adds the sd entry?03:19
GeneralAntillesApple uses Startup Disk03:19
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zakkmI have Mac :)03:19
johnxzakkm, I guess I should say "diable the splash screen that shows up during boot"03:19
GeneralAntillesStartup Device probably works03:19
zakkmnever going back XD03:19
zakkmfine ill backup03:20
zakkmis it worth dd'ing it onto my mac? and then dd'ing back ?03:20
zakkmor should i just save files, and format ?03:20
zakkmand reclone03:20
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zakkmjohnx: so like verbose mode?03:21
johnxbasically. it will show you the boot messages this way, like gentoo :)03:21
zakkmi boot mac osx in verbose mode tyvm :)03:21
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disco_stutoday i stole 15 mac addresses with mi nit03:22
johnxheh...I used to admin 50 Macs and never booted them in verbose mode :)03:22
GeneralAntillesI miss Open Firmware03:22
zakkmbut i like seeing it go so fast :D03:22
zakkmim a speed addict, hence why i loved gentoo xd03:22
zakkmyes i know the whole "gentoo isnt faster than any other distro.. blahblahblah"03:22
* johnx pictures disco_stu bludgeoning open computer cases with his nit and grabbing EPROMs off of network adapters03:23
zakkmokay, so am i dd'ing ?03:23
zakkmwould that help?03:23
johnxprobably not03:23
zakkmso its the partition to blame?03:23
zakkmdang, i installed so much03:24
zakkmi only did it yesterday -.-03:24
disco_stujohnx:  ettercap is my tool :)03:24
johnxwell if you're already doing it let it finish03:24
johnxdisco_stu, why are you "stealing" MAC addresses? O_o03:24
johnxzakkm, actually, at this point I have no idea. You might as well try dd'ing it back03:25
disco_stujohnx: because at college wifi is filetered by mac address03:25
disco_stuso i you want to see a vid in youtube you may get banned03:25
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zakkmmaybe that is why my skool internet doesnt work ?03:25
zakkmin some places03:25
zakkmmac filtering03:25
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disco_stuyou can easily get someones mac address and spoof it03:26
zakkmmy school wifi doesnt work in like 25% of the places03:26
zakkmits weird though03:26
zakkmcause im in highschool03:26
zakkmi dont know though, i connect though03:26
zakkmbut nothing works03:26
zakkmjohnx: so im just backing up files and recloning?03:27
zakkmany chance i can backup installs too?03:28
zakkmmac can read ext203:28
johnxthe answer is something like "not easily"03:28
zakkmi guess im reinstalling everything -.-03:28
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johnxactually, hang on one sec03:29
zakkmwhat the03:29
zakkmfolders became files?03:29
zakkmon my pc they're files... yesterday they were shown as folders03:29
zakkm"home" "etc" and all03:29
zakkm"home" "etc" "media" "tmp"03:29
johnxyeah, I think "something bad happened"03:30
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zakkmi just lost all my files though03:30
zakkmcause i cant view "home"03:30
zakkm ... /home***03:30
johnxcan you open a terminal and run ls on that volume?03:31
zakkmon my mac?03:31
johnxyeah, that's fine03:31
zakkmit seems to want to view the fat partition?03:32
disco_stujohnx: how much space is needed to install kde on the nit ?03:32
zakkmMac's "get info" declares the right avaliable and used tohugh03:32
zakkmformat : Ext2 File System03:32
johnxdisco_stu, the info is on the kde page I think03:32
zakkmkde3 or kde4? :P03:32
zakkmhow bad is kde403:32
zakkmi mean 400mhz arm9, 128mb ram .. seems like it would do kde4 reallyyyy bad03:33
zakkmah its okay03:33
zakkmill just format it all03:33
zakkmwhatever :P03:33
zakkmthough its been long since i used kde4, supposely it got faster03:34
zakkmunable to connect via USB, no memory card inserted03:35
zakkmdid anyone port gparted? :D03:36
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zakkmtime to clone :D03:38
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zakkmjohnx: cloned, now reinstalling everything :(03:47
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disco_stuzakkm: what did you do ?03:57
disco_stuclone the filesystem to the sd ?03:57
disco_stuwhat for ?03:57
zakkmi have a 4gb card03:57
zakkmi need 4gb of apps03:57
zakkmthe flash is too little space03:57
zakkmand SD is faster03:57
zakkmthan normal flash03:57
disco_stuin what slot you use the card ?03:58
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disco_stuwhen you clone, you can still boot with the internal flash ?03:58
zakkmtheres a dualboot menu when you turn it on03:58
disco_stui think i'm going to flash my sd with ext303:59
zakkmfirst = flash, second = internal SD, 3rd = removable slot ..03:59
disco_stuand symlink apps to that place03:59
zakkmext3 takes more cycles.03:59
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zakkmits journaled03:59
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disco_stuok, ext203:59
zakkmno just saying thats why i think they dont use it03:59
zakkmso the SD lasts longer03:59
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zakkmHow is rtorrent for the nokia?04:12
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GeneralAntillesJust use Transmission?04:13
zakkmi was thinking cpu usage04:14
zakkmwouldnt it be lower?04:14
zakkmjust want to broaden my nokia app usage :P04:14
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zakkmis there a way to see repositories on my pc and then download and do some sort of "install all" ?04:20
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disco_stuzakkm: you can download debs04:21
disco_stuand the with the tablet04:21
disco_studpkg -i *.deb04:22
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zakkmuh, is the bluetooth daemon safe to remove?04:24
disco_studont u use bluetooth ?04:24
zakkmi have nothing bluetooth04:24
zakkmim only 17 -.-04:24
disco_studont u have friends ?04:25
l7so is the n900 coming soon?04:25
zakkmwhy would i need bluetooth for friends?04:25
l7maybe "do you have geek friends"?04:25
zakkmyes but i never necessary need a file from them that urgently?04:26
l7i dunno04:26
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zakkmI was also aware that the bluetotoh on it was just for keyboards/headsets i thought04:26
zakkmno 17 year old uses bluetooth here -.-04:26
l7bluetooth on cell phones is handy for "beaming" address cards around04:26
disco_stuzakkm: where do u live, stone age ?04:26
zakkmToronto, ON04:27
l7not sure how to do it on maemo though04:27
disco_stucanadian boy04:27
zakkmtoronto boy.04:27
johnxzakkm, it won't save you any memory or CPU time04:27
johnxjust turn off bt in the control panel04:28
zakkmi was looking at memory usage04:28
zakkmnot cpu04:28
zakkmit is off in control panel, always has been04:28
l7how much memory does it use?04:28
GeneralAntillesjohnx, what columns do you want for the control panel?04:28
zakkmjohnx: trying to redownload everything currently ;p04:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, columns?04:29
GeneralAntillesI've got an icon, a name, a device04:29
GeneralAntilless/ a//g04:29
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: I've gotn icon, name, device04:29
zakkmGeneralAntilles: what you making?04:29
zakkmwhat for*04:29
GeneralAntillesMockup of a bootmenu control panel.04:29
disco_stuzakkm: how much did you pay yout nit ?04:30
johnxGeneralAntilles, how about: icon | name | partition | full-device-name04:30
zakkm$145 cash.04:30
disco_stuus dollars ?04:30
zakkmim in Canada, why would i pay US dollars?04:30
disco_stubaby i want to know to convert it to my local money04:31
zakkmdisco_stu: canadian boy04:31
johnxGeneralAntilles, so: [ ] | Internal SD/MMC | First Partition | mmcblk0p104:31
zakkmwhy you say US then? ;p04:31
disco_stuzakkm: are you retard ?04:31
zakkmwhy not just say , Canadian Dollars?04:32
disco_stubecause in my country the dont exist04:32
disco_stuwe use us dollars for foreign expenses04:32
zakkmwhat country?04:32
zakkmcool :)04:33
GeneralAntillesSounds like quite a country Mr. Lazy Typist. :P04:33
zakkm145 Canadian dollars = 124.25021 U.S. dollars04:33
zakkmI paid $124.25 USD for my Nokia N80004:33
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: ¬¬04:33
disco_stu124 lucky boy04:33
disco_stui payed 330 us dollars for mine04:34
zakkmim a good shopper -.-04:34
disco_stubut.. everythings is that way here in latin america04:34
zakkmare "downloads"  ... all in repositories?04:36
disco_stumy app is not in the repos04:37
disco_stubut it is in maemo.org04:37
zakkmi want to try and fill up on small apps :D04:37
disco_stui want to make some free space in my flash memory04:38
disco_stubut dont know where to start04:38
zakkmthe tablet turned on :D04:38
l7start with the pronz04:38
disco_stupronz ¡04:38
disco_stuwhats that ?04:38
l7something a friend of mine uses04:39
l7no idea really04:39
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: what is deblet ?04:40
infobotfrom memory, deblet is
zakkm;o johnx: your a main developer?04:41
GeneralAntillesAlternatively, an elated 37-year-old female from Oakland:
johnxGeneralAntilles, I don't know if we really have a concept of "boot order". Maybe just a radio button for "default"04:41
disco_stui should be on that list04:42
GeneralAntillesWhere do we have a radio button?04:42
johnxhmm? I mean add a radio button to the list beside the logo04:43
johnxso: default | icon | name | partition | (device if we have room)04:43
GeneralAntillesYeah, I got that, but where do we have a radio button in Maemo I can grab a screenshot of?04:43
johnxconnection wizard04:44
GeneralAntillesAh, right.04:44
johnxtook a while for me to remember04:44
GeneralAntillesI need Edit and Delete buttons in there, too.04:45
disco_stuwow deblet is awesome04:46
disco_stui dont know how it was missing it04:46
infobotdisco_stu meant: i dont know how i was missing it04:46
disco_stui need more details04:47
disco_stuhow much space is needed ?04:47
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zakkmdisco_stu: 250mb apparantly + DE/WM04:50
zakkmwhat the04:53
disco_stuwhat ?04:53 homepage04:53
zakkm"google gadgets"04:53
zakkmwhats google gadgets on maemo?04:53
GeneralAntilleszakkm, read the blog post?04:53
zakkmoh, just a mockup?04:54
zakkmnot complete04:54
GeneralAntillesMine is just a mockup, Kate's Gadgets are not.04:54
ryoohkiGeneralAntilles: have you ever had video skype running on the n800?04:55
GeneralAntillesI don't do Skype.04:55
zakkmvideo skype works?04:56
ryoohkiGeneralAntilles: it should run the same on the n81004:56
zakkmvideo chat works on skype?04:56
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ryoohkizakkm: yes - works fine on the n800 - starts up when ever you pop out the camera - i wish they would come out with a two camera n8x0 - on in the middle top of the screen for video chat and one that pops out on the side for video recording04:57
ryoohkidisco_stu: works on my n80004:57
GeneralAntillesSkype does not support video on the tablets04:58
GeneralAntillesYou're thinking either of the built-in client or Gizmo.04:58
zakkmroohki: thats google talk, not skype.04:58
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: is a 2gb sd card enough to try deblet ?05:00
disco_stuy have one without use05:00
disco_stuhow much is it taking ?05:00
GeneralAntillesDepends on what you install.05:01
disco_stui know05:01
disco_stubut the plain install05:01
GeneralAntillesCall it 400-1GB05:01
disco_stuwith xfce and some apps05:01
zakkmIs it fast enough to show someone DE's?05:02
zakkmlike the difference between xfce, gnome and stuff05:02
l7is seeking with mplayer broken with flv files?05:05
l7on mplayer05:05
l7also wondering if 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 is the latest version available05:05
zakkml7: i play flv just fine05:06
zakkmhad problems earlier today but turned out to be my own fault05:06
l7can you seek through files?05:07
l7i can't get it to skip with up/down/left right or page up/page down05:07
l7or with -ss05:07
l7 files are out of date too :\05:08
johnxGeneralAntilles, looks good05:08
zakkmIs there a way to get USB networking working in Mac?05:09
zakkmi get a "module insertion has failed" message.05:10
zakkmwhen i click set up usb networking05:11
l7so can anyone seek through flvs from youtube in mplayer?05:11
zakkmi could05:12
l7just with left and right keys?05:12
zakkmup and down too?05:12
zakkmi believe05:12
l7for me, it jumps forward and seems to go back05:12
zakkmthere is no other way is there ?05:12
zakkmif you go forward to the end05:12
zakkmit will playback from beginning05:12
zakkmor if time is "broken"05:13
l7the net result is that you have to hold it down if you want to skip more than a few seconds at a time05:13
l7you can also use page up/page down to skip larger steps05:13
l7if you start mplayer from the command line05:13
zakkmi only have a n80005:13
l7you can start it from ssh :)05:13
zakkmpointless -.-05:14
l7nah, it's good if i'm sitting at my desk05:14
zakkmi dont get you ppl with ssh'ing for video playing05:14
l7i can start mplayer, pick up the tablet and go to the touch05:14
zakkmonly time ive ever ssh'd is for remote server stuff05:14
zakkmnot for personal stuff05:14
l7hmm seeking works okay with mp4 files05:24
l7must be something about stupid flv files that won't seek well05:25
l7vlc had the same issue before the new major release05:28
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l7is it possible to configure a command line program as the default to open .mp4 and .flv files?05:54
l7i want to use mplayer to play these05:54
l7and also open these links from rss feeds05:54
derfAlmost nothing actually links directly to .flv files.05:54
l7yeah, how can i tell the OS to use mplayer when i tap on .flvs?05:56
l7ah cool, downloading it05:57
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disco_stuhow long takes the new firmware flashing process ?06:30
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GeneralAntilles30 seconds06:31
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disco_stui thougt flash roms were smaller06:31
disco_stubut it is 136mb06:31
disco_stui think i'm going to upgrade to diablo after all06:31
ProteousI had a flash rom for lunch06:31
ProteousI think I burned the roof of my mouth though06:32
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* GeneralAntilles hands Proteous an ice cream sandwich.06:33
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* disco_stu hands Proteous a faso06:34
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: after flashing.. is it possible to downgrade ?06:35
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GeneralAntillesAll the FIASCO images are available.06:36
Proteoususualy after flashing you go to jail06:36
Proteousdepending on how fast you can run06:36
disco_stufiasco is a bad name06:36
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Proteousmy friends band is called "Fear the Fiasco"06:37
disco_stuthe could call it "hear the fiasco"06:37
disco_stuthat would be counterproducent06:37
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: the las question.. what happens if flashing fails ?06:39
GeneralAntillesFlash again06:39
infobotdisco_stu meant: GeneralAntilles: the last question.. what happens if flashing fails ?06:39
disco_stuthe n800 wont brick ?06:39
GeneralAntillesWell, if it fails during flashing of the NOLO image it will06:40
GeneralAntillesBut that's a millisecond small window06:40
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GeneralAntillesand I've never heard of (or experience) a bricking due to a normal flash in 3 years.06:41
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: and I've never heard of (or experienced) a bricking due to a normal flash in 3 years.06:41
disco_stuwhat kind of bricking have u seen ?06:41
GeneralAntillesOnly from people being actively stupid.06:42
GeneralAntillesLike mounting the NOLO partition while booted and writing to it.06:42
disco_stuNOLO = initfs ?06:42
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GeneralAntillesNOkia LOader06:42
GeneralAntillesThe bootloader06:43
l7man, i really want the clear command06:43
disco_stuclear ?06:43
disco_stufor console ?06:43
disco_stuctrl + l06:44
l7oh nice06:44
l7i wonder why clear isn't available manually06:44
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l7guess it saves a bit of space06:45
l7even in bash it's not there06:45
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disco_stuwell here is almos 2am06:46
infobotdisco_stu meant: well here is almost 2am06:46
disco_stuso i'll be heading to my bed06:46
disco_stusee you around06:46
l7s/later/see ya06:47
l7s/later/see ya/06:47
infobotl7 meant: s/see ya/see ya06:47
l7nifty bot06:47
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* johnx continues having issues getting debootstrapped into ubuntu :/08:55
RST38hmoo, johnx08:55
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RST38h"In remarks delivered from the Rose Garden, the current occupant of the White House called Obama's election "uplifting."" (C)WashPost09:05
RST38hCurrent occupNT,HEH09:05
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johnxusing mkfs on different devices from screen is rather stress inducing...09:16
johnxmkfs.ext3 /dev/sda ...09:18
johnxcrap wasn't that supposed to be /dev/sdi ?09:19
johnxor was it /dev/mmcblk0p1 and I just formatted my usb stick?09:19
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Stskeepsdebootstrap on tablet of ubuntu was cp hardy to hasty in usr/share/debootstrap/scripts, debootstrap --arch=arm hasty /target repo or something09:20
johnxluckily no problems this time. last time I accidentally wrote fat16 fs on my 500GB USB storage drive...09:20
johnxStskeeps, yeah, that's what I thought. I'm having issues with the zaurus misbehaving09:21
johnxalso, my 4GB card dying hasn't really helped things09:21
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RST38hjohnx: Have to know your devices! =)09:28
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l7hmm, deblet looks really cool09:29
johnxRST38h, I know my devices, I just forget what machine I'm sshed to :P09:32
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johnxI have problems maintaining state09:34
RST38hif you want to really screw up though, run screen from inside te screen09:34
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vincenzo88Hello everybody09:34
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johnxha! I was being too clever with debootstrap I think :)09:55
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johnxwell actually I was wrong, no I'm starting to run out of ideas :/10:15
Stskeepswhat happens?10:15
Stskeepsand where do you debootstrap from?10:16
johnxwell the zaurus has angstrom, so I did the first half on my desktop with debootstrap --foreign10:17
johnxnow this actually has worked before10:17
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johnxanyways, I have a couple ideas so I'll keep chewing on it10:17
Teijo777anyone know how I can change userid on scratchbox?10:17
Teijo777something akin to "su someuser"10:18
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Stskeepszaurus's armv5?10:22
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Stskeepsodd - admittedly i did debootstrap only on tablet, may be that foreign for hasty won't work10:23
johnxold arm CPUs never go away, they just get cheaper :)10:23
johnxthe thing is I did this before :/10:23
johnxI wish I did an rsync of my fresh install now10:23
Stskeepsmaybe use ?10:24
johnxmight as well give it a shot10:24
Stskeepsyou know you have too many cables and crap laying in your office when professors come to ask you for firewire cables..10:25
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aquatixStskeeps: lol10:34
Stskeepsah. no wonder people have had issues with installing deblet10:34
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Stskeepsmaster repo was down10:34
johnxI guess that's what I get for not having any devices running debian10:34
Stskeepsor not..hmm10:35
aquatixjohnx: time to build one?10:35
johnxdevices running ubuntu are close enough :)10:36
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johnxI tend to switch between debian and ubuntu every couple years10:36
* aquatix has both10:37
aquatixdebian on servers and laptop, ubuntu on workstation10:37
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johnxI think I managed to trigger a somewhat obscure bug in debootstrap :)10:41
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johnxapparently using --foreign can trigger the problem I was seeing in certain circumstances10:42
johnxwithout --foreign both devices are plodding away happily :)10:42
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Stskeepsjohnx: think it can be a good excersise to develop m-r both on zaurus and n800 to add generic abilities to it10:47
Stskeepsif m-r can handle hildon stuff :)10:47
Stskeepser, zaurus10:47
johnxit *should* be able to10:47
johnxit just won't be fast10:48
johnxyou can think of it as similar hardware to the 77010:48
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Stskeepsand 770s obviously too, wasn't there a non-vfp version of mojo too?10:48
johnxthere's v5 v5-vfp and v6-vfp10:49
Stskeepsand 770 was armv510:49
johnxthat covers all our bases. zaurus and 770 have no vfp10:49
* johnx wanders off to do dishes :/10:51
Stskeepshave fun10:51
* johnx misses his dishwashing machine ...10:52
Stskeepsmm, when i come home i have to clean up the house a bit as well10:53
Stskeepshaving guest over10:53
* RST38h doesn't miss dishwashing machines, the don't do good job anyway10:54
Stskeepsi kinda wish i had one now, cos it hurts my wrist to wash dishes10:55
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wandersjohnx: My dishes?10:56
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johnxgot enough of my own. :P10:59
wandersjohnx: Then I don't understand why you mentioned me :)11:00
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johnxbecause your nick perfectly describes my actions. In fact they made an English word based on your nick :D11:02
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errordeveloperwhat do you think about formating memory card in ext2 ?11:07
Stskeepsjohnx: btw11:08
Stskeepssame login/pass etc as deblet11:08
johnxerrordeveloper, a lot of us here have done that11:08
Stskeepshas svn associated (/svn/m-r) as well11:09
errordeveloperso i'll proly format my 8gig internal one in ext2 and a 128meg one into vfat (so it could be put into windows pc or mac)11:11
Stskeepsor just partition it, one fat partition and rest ext211:11
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errordeveloperyeah ..that's what i thought too ..leave the small one out,11:13
Stskeepsnah, you'll like the small 128meg one for when maemo complains :P11:15
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errordeveloperbut the partitioning might cause a confusion, cause it's not me who is actually using the tablet11:17
errordeveloperso i'd just tell them to use small mc in case of swapping data is needed and use the big one for storage11:17
errordeveloperand on ext2 the data will be safer11:17
errordevelopercomplains about what??11:17
errordeveloperwhat about ext3 on memory cards? is it really so bad for the write cycles?11:17
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Stskeepsjohnx: i think that in the m-r project everything is fair game if we are to demonstrate something, such as battery applets and such11:26
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suihkulokkiwearing of memory cards is overrated11:34
suihkulokkimemory cards become obsolete before they wear out :P11:34
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Stskeepsyet johnx has managed to destroy several.. his n800 must be a sd-card eating monster ;)11:35
X-FadeTrue, as long as you don't have something rewrite a file constantly, you won't ever notice it.11:35
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: that's probably another problem - poor quality of cheap memory cards11:36
RST38hXFade: swap file?11:47
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* RST38h had to enable swap on his 810 and has mental jitters since then11:48
X-FadeSymlink it to your external card?11:48
RST38hbut what if external card breaks?11:49
X-FadeReplace it?11:49
X-Fade1GB card = 3 euro ;)11:49
* RST38h has got 8GB card, more expensive =)11:49
X-FadeRST38h: Life-time warranty?11:50
RST38hbtw, are there any confirmed cases of swapping destroying internal flash?11:50
X-FadeNot possible.11:50
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X-FadeEmbedded under the cpu.. Same package.11:50
X-FadeEhm replacing is not possible.11:50
X-FadeBut I haven't seen any reports.11:51
Stskeepsanyone ever thrashed their internal flash though?11:51
Stskeepsbeyond the partitioning stuff11:51
Stskeepsas in, the internal SD11:51
johnxI'm pretty sure that swapping / ext3 wasn't the factor in the deaths of any of my cards' deaths11:51
X-FadeWrong voltage etc is more likely?11:52
johnxmaybe death-by-static-electricity11:52
RST38hHis halo destroys flash.11:52
X-FadeOr wear/tear outside the device.11:52
johnxthough one of my cards had bad sectors to begin with and developed more rather quickly11:53
johnxI think that would be classified as a defective card, but I can't help but thinking that such heavy utilization might have contributed to the speed of its death11:53
X-FadeI generally don't care too much about it. It is meant to be used, not meant to be saved.11:55
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timelesshelllo world12:01
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RST38hAh, found a howto about swap on external cards12:01
JaffaMorning, all12:01
RST38hThere is a catch though: the external card won't be available as usb mass storage12:02
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Stskeepswho needs that anyway when you have ssh? :P12:10
Stskeepsjohnx: i think i'll spend some time seeing if i can showhorn ubuntu into sb212:12
Stskeeps.. shoehorn12:12
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dksaarthHi guys12:27
dksaarthcan anybody help me with a problem ? I'm trying to install the maemopad test application12:28
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dksaarthcurrently trying sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b12:29
dksaarthbut it crashes when it tries to use xargs12:29
dksaarthand when i manually run the xargs binary it crashes as well12:29
RST38htype sb2, cd to maemopad directory, and build there12:29
RST38hdo not use dpkg-buildpackage12:30
dksaarthi.e. /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs12:30
dksaarthxargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.12:30
dksaarthAborted (core dumped)12:30
Stskeepsjohnx: armv5el or -vfp when it comes to hasty?12:30
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dksaarthsigh my connection is suck today12:39
dksaarthsucky even12:39
dksaarthdid anybody see my message about xargs crashing ?12:39
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karbashmm.. how should i remove uri encoding (eg. %20) from filenames when i want just to show it12:49
karbasi mean showing "filename with spaces" not as "filename%20with%20spaces"12:50
Jaffakarbas: use a library. Although in Perl you can do it in one pack() statement12:56
karbasbut in C12:57
Jaffause a library.12:57
karbaswhat library:)??12:57
florianglib should be able to do this12:59
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karbastried already with g_filename_to_utf8() but still there's %2013:03
karbasor is there maybe some other function13:03
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Stskeepshm. qemu-system-arm for versatile-pb doesn't do armv5el-vfp?13:09
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johnxprobably just plane armv5el, right?13:10
Stskeepsthat explains why debootstrap blew up on me :P13:11
johnxheh, neither of us are having good luck with debootstrap tonight13:11
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suihkulokkialthough as it is a emulator, it can be modified to deviate from the real HW13:11
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timelessnames #maemo13:53
aquatixtimeless: pong13:53
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dksaarthanybody know why my xargs is crashing ?14:02
RST38hbut the best guess is that you are using sb2 for something it has not been designed to do14:04
dksaarthdksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/src/mytest/maemopad-2.4$ /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs14:06
dksaarthxargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.14:06
dksaarthmight be a problem with the glibc ?14:06
dksaarthim following the maemo tutorial, trying to get the maemopad test app to work14:10
dksaarthbut when running sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b14:10
dksaarthit crashes because xargs gets called in dh_fixperms14:10
RST38hDoes tutorial describe SB or SB2?14:12
RST38hCould you give me the URL to that tutorial?14:12
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vincenzo88This is want you want ?14:19
dksaarthsorry, was on the phone14:24
dksaarththe tutorial i followed was
dksaarthit's using sb214:24
dksaarththe command im trying to run is sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b14:25
dksaarthwhich fails because the xargs command fails14:25
dksaarththe rootstrap i am trying to use is diablo41_armel , toolchain is 2005q3, and tools are etch14:26
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dksaarthmaemo-runtime start diablo41_armel works fine (i.e. it loads the emulator and i can select things in it - doesn't seem to have a lot installed tho)14:32
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dksaarthbugger, my connection died14:34
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dksaarthRST38h, any idea? did my messages about it being sb2 and the tutorial i was following come through ?14:48
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dksaarth_2maybe a web cgi client will have better luck14:52
dksaarth_2RST38h, any idea? did my messages about it being sb2 and the tutorial i was following come through ? My apologies if i am repeating my self here, my connection seems very bad today14:54
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dksaarth_2so my clients quit message comes through, but not messages I send between my clients... :P14:56
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* Stskeeps curses sb215:23
Stskeepsyes, cannot create binaries, no further explanation15:23
lcukStskeeps, convert everything to vb.not ;)15:24
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lcukballs jaiku is busy15:25
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Stskeepsokay, sb2 is more sane than sb1.15:40
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dksaarth_2can anybody here give me some advice on porting my application to a n810 ? - iv installed maemoe, emulation works, maemopad works - i need to add a library (exosip) for my program in order to get it to compile15:42
dksaarth_2not sure how to go about doing that ? from inside sb2 ?15:42
Stskeepsbuild the package for it as you would an application i guess15:43
Stskeepsdoes it already have a debian package?15:43
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dksaarth_2can i just install the deb using dpkg ?15:43
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dksaarth_2*pretty new to this whole crosschain compiling / emulation business*15:43
Stskeeps , get the source packages on the side and then dpkg-source -x the.dsc .15:45
Stskeepsand then build the source package15:45
dksaarth_2thanks, will give that a bash15:46
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Jaffadksaarth_2: should help you rebuilding a Debian package. Although, if it's just a library with no additional build hacks it won't really be necessary.15:53
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dksaarth_2thanks - its a library that in turn depends on other libraries15:55
dksaarth_2might have to go grabbing source of everything and build it all?....15:55
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guardiananyone here ever developed with the limo platform ?16:03
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johnxmight not be the best time to start developing for limo...16:13
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disco_stuwhy the hell is so slow ??16:18
StsN800disco_stu, they are waiting to replace the 770s running it when n900 comes out.16:19
RST38hdisco: it is running on a bunch of 770s16:19
disco_stui flipped trying to imagine a 770's cluster16:20
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StsN800its where all wsod 770s go16:21
dksaarth_2Stskeeps: I downloaded the source package, configured it and compiled it, but not too sure where to go from here ?16:21
disco_stuwsod ?16:21
infobotwell, wsod is IBM's Workspace on Demand, a global e-Business applications environment16:22
StsN800dksaarth_2, dpkg -i i guess16:22
disco_stuthanks bootie16:22
StsN800infobot, no, wsod is white screen of death16:22
infobotokay, StsN80016:22
dksaarth_2StsN800: eeer, i don't have a .deb to give dpkg -i ?16:23
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infobotwell, wsod is white screen of death16:23
disco_stugood puppy16:23
johnxdksaarth_2, did you do ./configure ; make *or* did you dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?16:23
dksaarth_2i did the configure ; make16:23
dksaarth_2dpkg-buildpackage fails16:23
johnxinteresting, in what way?16:23
dksaarth_2parsechangelog/debian: error: unrecognised line, at file debian/changelog line 216:23
StsN800johnx, think i have m-r sdk going tonight16:23
dksaarth_2dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is16:24
StsN800using sb216:24
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johnxdksaarth_2, you grab the .dsc .diff.gz and .tar.gz for a package, then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc, then cd into the directory it makes and run dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot16:25
johnxStskeeps, that's great!16:25
dksaarth_2thanks i got confused16:25
RST38hHeh, Nokia seems to be swiching to Windows CE16:26
johnxsure, debian packaging can be a little bit much to take in all at once :)16:26
johnxRST38h, pics or it didn't happen16:27
RST38hno problemo16:27
RST38hHere, feed:
disco_stuwow, thats nice16:28
RST38hYes, WinCE is definitely nicer than Maemo. And cheaper too! And does all the multimedia stuff without requiring you to be a rocket scientist!16:29
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RST38hIsn't it absolutely wonderful, disco?16:29
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suihkulokkiRST38h: N bought a company that made those based on CE long before getting bought16:34
disco_stuCE is shit16:35
* RST38h already imagined the horror and loathing on iTT16:35
disco_stui mean.. what is great is the attempt of nokia to get into gps receiver market16:35
johnxRST38h, interspersed with a couple people cheering16:35
guardianjohnx: why that not the best time ?16:35
RST38hWait, we can still induce that horror and loathing with a couple of well designed posts! =)16:35
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RST38hjohnx: Not people, nutballs16:36
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johnxguardian, seems like motorola's limo roadmap isn't that firm lately16:36
guardianjohnx: it also looks it's not open anyway16:36
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RST38hMotorola has no limo roadmap. Motorola's Linux platform is officially dead.16:37
johnxno officially16:37
johnxtheir official line is that they're still working with limo16:37
johnxwant me to link their press release?16:37
suihkulokkiRST38h: s/'s Linux platform /16:37
RST38hThey officially declared that they are leaving: WinMobile for business, Android for media phones, Java for budget16:37
RST38hjohnx: Yes please16:38
guardianif motorola leaves, who remains ?16:38
johnxnot a press release I guess, but an official communication16:38
johnxtheir long term plans probably don't involve limo16:39
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dksaarth_2hmmm - when trying to dpkg -i i now get /home/dksaarth/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/armel/diablo41_armel/sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ No such file or directory16:40
guardianjohnx: did you ever have to work on limo ?16:40
johnxtouch /etc/
dksaarth_2it does exist johnx .....16:40
dksaarth_2which is wierd....16:41
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dksaarth_2what "mode" should i be in for this ?16:41
dksaarth_2i did a sudo sb2 -e16:41
dksaarth_2then a dpkg -i *.deb16:41
jumpulasudo sb2?16:42
suihkulokkinow _that_ is recipe for disaster :>16:42
johnxthis is probably related to the different "view" that apt-get has of your system. look in area where the rootstrap was unpacked and see if there really is an
jumpulaindeed :)16:42
dksaarth_2so sudo sb2 = very bad idea ?16:43
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jumpulayou should not use sudo with sb2. ever.16:43
dksaarth_2okay. now I know :) thanks.16:43
dksaarth_2i did it because i got16:43
dksaarth_2[SB2 emulate diablo41_armel] dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop libosip $ dpkg -i *.deb dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege16:43
dksaarth_2sorry jumpula ? fakeroot command not found16:44
dksaarth_2or is it fakeroot sb216:44
jumpulayou@host% sudo apt-get install fakeroot16:45
jumpulasb2 -e fakeroot dpkg -i foo.deb16:45
jumpulai know nothing of scratchbox2 but that would make sense to me16:45
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jumpulaassuming the -e was emulation mode with sb216:46
dksaarth_2yeah it was16:46
Stskeepsor -rfakeroot in dpkg-buildpackage16:46
jumpulasb2 (in contrary to sb1) uses the tools in your host system (plus some creative path mapping)16:46
jumpulabut the principle is the same. you need to have the tool *somewhere*, either on the target or on your host.16:47
dksaarth_2i have it on my host, i.e. i can run fakeroot sb2, but not sb2 fakeroot16:47
jumpulaoh, yes. the emulation mode is restricted to the target.16:48
jumpulatry -i (install mode)16:48
dksaarth_2sb2 -m install fakeroot dpkg -i *.deb /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: fakeroot: command not found16:49
dksaarth_2(-i doesn't exist for sb2)16:50
jumpulasuihkulokki: is install mode too restricted on target?16:50
jumpulasuihkulokki: or does it have the path mappings only for apt?16:50
dksaarth_2could i do a sb2 apt-get fakeroot ?16:50
jumpulayou can do that16:50
jumpulaif you have a repository for the target that contains fakeroot16:51
jumpulathen you can even use the -e16:51
dksaarth_2hmm dont think i do have a repository for it16:51
jumpulai'm not entirely sure which kind of bird the install mode really is16:51
jumpulayou can also build that package for your target16:51
jumpulabut i'm assuming sdk+ is using host's fakeroot, so there should be a way16:52
suihkulokkiI don't know about the install mode16:53
jumpulai was kinda assuming that, but since i have no clue about that mode myself...16:54
jumpulanever hurts to ask :)16:54
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dksaarth_2aaaha - sb2 has a -R paramater16:57
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dksaarth_2-R     Execute commands in fakeroot environment16:57
dksaarth_2but now i get16:58
dksaarth_2dpkg: error processing libosip2-3_2.2.2-3.1_armel.deb (--install):  unable to create `./usr/share/doc/libosip2-3/changelog.gz': Permission denied16:58
johnxI wonder if this might be caused by having used sudo earlier?16:58
dksaarth_2yeah maybe - ill go try see if i can find any files owned by root and change them to my user16:59
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dksaarth_2seems to work fine now17:01
dksaarth_2i chowned the necessary files17:01
dksaarth_2thanks :)17:01
thopiekarcould someone tell me why the hole community is so lazy the last time?17:02
dksaarth_2one library down, 2 more to go methinks17:02
johnxthopiekar, uhm, what?17:02
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johnxdksaarth_2, no problem. I'll probably be using sb2 very shortly, so it's good to know in advance where I'll run into problems :D17:02
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jumpuladksaarth_2: you're lucky. you could've ended up with arm glibc on your host with careless using of sudo sb2 :)17:09
thopiekarit think especially nokia'S developters and other projects like canola2 are not "really" working on thier platform/projects... I remember the first days, when i bought my N800, the community brought daily updates and other improvements... but in the last weeks  it appears that the community is dead , in comparison to the past! what are the reasons?17:09
johnxso what project are you working on?17:09
thopiekarbut i have not time to work on this because i have to do lots of school-stuff ;(17:10
johnxI'll let you ponder this for a while17:11
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johnxI also know that a lot of projects that don't appear to be doing anything are actually working really hard behind the scenes17:16
thopiekarhmm you might be right ;]17:17
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thopiekarI hope that there will come lots of great updates in the next week's/month's ^^ mainly somethink from the canola2 project and the a2dp support by nokia!17:20
johnxI have some doubts about a2dp coming soon17:21
johnxat least from Nokia17:21
johnxI'm sure canola will have some great updates once in a while17:22
GeneralAntillesIt's coming in Maemo 517:22
GeneralAntillesThere are no doubts17:22
johnxthat's why17:22
johnxemphasis on "soon"17:22
GeneralAntillesIt wont be coming to Diablo.17:22
thopiekarbut maemo5 will be available for the n800, too... right?17:22
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disco_stuthopiekar: hope so17:23
GeneralAntillesUndetermined, but unlikely.17:23
thopiekardisco_stu: me too17:23
johnxGeneralAntilles, at least an unofficial version is more likely this time than last time17:23
GeneralAntillesjohnx, good luck shoehorning Fremantles audio framework onto OMAP2 for A2DP17:24
johnxGeneralAntilles, aren't the going with pulseaudio?17:24
GeneralAntillesThe DSP stuff isn't going to be plug and play.17:25
johnxyeah, never expected it to17:25
qwerty12If is true, then I don't expect Fremantle's A2DP stuff to work on Diablo.17:25
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GeneralAntillesand A2DP wasn't really ever the big issue, it was A2DP that didn't skip or nuke battery life17:25
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johnxa2dp will always nuke battery life :)17:26
johnxit's a constant hi-speed stream over bluetooth17:26
GeneralAntillesLess so when the DSP is doing the heavy lifting than when the CPU is doing it, though.17:27
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johnxI was an early A2DP adopter but I'm kind of over it now. It's an awful lot sacrifice to get sub-par sound quality on heavy, expensive headphones17:28
GeneralAntillesI have better speakers these days than I do headphones17:29
disco_stupeople.. is a n900 coming ?17:30
johnxI have a pair of ~$8 headphones that sound better than my $80 motorola bt headphones17:30
GeneralAntillesOf course17:30
GeneralAntillesSometime next year.17:30
disco_stuand what will bring ?17:30
johnxsearch for n900 on itt :)17:30
johnxor maemo5 on google17:31
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GeneralAntillesThe wikipedia page on Maemo will tell you everything you need to know.17:31
thopiekarbut whats the difference of my n95'S a2dp-support and the a2dp-support of my n800 (johnx's thead on iTT)?17:31
johnxone is running S60 and one is running linux?17:32
johnxthat's the difference17:32
qwerty12thopiekar, nokia actually worked on the bluetooth in S60 and said fuck all to the bluez17:32
johnxqwerty12, actually that's hilariously not true :)17:32
thopiekarbut isn't alsa on the iTT emulated?17:32
johnxNokia put a ton of work into bluez on linux and then failed to use all of the cool features on their NITs17:33
RST38hA2DP? Bulky headphones? Not true any more17:33
timelessthe features were mostly not ready17:33
RST38hAnd, at least the headphones themselves live forever on a single charge17:34
qwerty12johnx, I'm not going to pretend I know the inner workings but me brother's N73 works with A2DP better. And my N800 cost a whole lot more than the N73.17:34
qwerty12s/inner workings/inner workings of bluez/17:34
infobotqwerty12 meant: johnx, I'm not going to pretend I know the inner workings of bluez but me brother's N73 works with A2DP better. And my N800 cost a whole lot more than the N73.17:34
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you're starting to sound like itT.17:35
johnxqwerty12, but Nokia *wrote* the current A2DP implementation for Linux. It works great...but they couldn't be bothered to polish it and work it into maemo17:35
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qwerty12I'm saying what I've observed.17:35
johnxtimeless, I suppose so. It's been working pretty well unofficially for a *long* time though17:36
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qwerty12johnx, heh, the irony :)17:36
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timelessjohnx: as a linux user, i'd say thanks17:37
timelessbut as a paying n800 owner, i can understand your frustration17:37
RST38hjohnx: The problem with Maemo is a bit different. It is not bluez to blame17:37
timelessbut i'm pretty sure you'd understand the frustration of the guy who worked on bluez that the feature isn't used17:37
qwerty12But I won't deny that I knew that A2DP on N8x0 was bullshit before I bought it so A2DP wasn't a buying factor for me.17:37
RST38hjohnx: Maemo does compression/uncompression via DSP and its CPU is too slow to do it by itself and STILL have enough firepower left for your apps17:38
johnxtimeless, definitely, I was just thinking that. Nothing like working on projects that never see their intended use17:38
johnxRST38h, that's an interesting idea17:38
* timeless considers writing a patch for something17:38
RST38hjohnx: So, to play stuff via A2DP, you have to first uncompress mp3 (on DSP), then compress result into A2DP format (on the same DSP)17:39
RST38hjohnx: Ladrman will have more details if you are interested17:39
GeneralAntillesWe should get the packagerate guy to start hacking on h-a-m17:40
johnxRST38h, I know a bit about A2DP. it already works passably on the CPU. mp3 decoding+sbc encoding takes about 20-30% at 400MHz17:40
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RST38hjohnx: this will suck the battery dryg17:43
RST38hGeneral: does he have a web site for this package at all?17:44
johnxyes. that's why I haven't put much more effort into cleaning up the "enable a2dp" package I made17:44
RST38hjohnx: And *that* is the problem unfortunately. But lardman has A2DP running on DSP, with some limitations17:44
GeneralAntillesRST38h, don't think so.17:45
RST38hjohnx: Maybe you can get in touch with him and see if there are any new and exciting things to do =)17:45
johnxworking on something else right now. I might get interested again if I get a cheap *comfortable* pair of A2DP headphones17:46
johnxbut really, the sound quality was getting to me as well, and there's nothing anyone can do about that :/17:47
* Stskeeps ponders idly a vaguely insane thing17:47
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Stskeepsthink qemu-arm system emulation can do second stage debootstrap?17:47
Stskeepser, binary17:48
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johnxI can't remember if I ever got that working17:48
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johnxwait, system or user-mode?17:49
johnxthat's what I thought17:49
johnxmight be worth a try if they've improved it in the last 6 months or so17:49
* Stskeeps tries for fun.17:49
Stskeepsor nah..17:49
Stskeepsrootstrap tar.gz's more fun17:50
RST38hjohnx: I have got "cheap" and "small" coovered17:50
johnxRST38h, now work on "comfort" and "fidelity" and get back to me :D17:50
* aquatix sticks with wired headphones17:51
RST38hjohnx: Well, fidelity and A2DP are not compatible17:51
aquatixis good fidelity even possible on a2dp?17:51
johnxright, hence my waning interest :)17:51
RST38hjohnx: As to comfort, I am pretty sure that the headphones are not to blame in my case17:51
johnxStskeeps, I think the sticking point on chrooting into it was actually compiling a static qemu to use inside the chroot17:52
RST38hjohnx: The pair I have will fit perfectly well on most people17:52
RST38hjohnx: bought nameless, for $60, at a random AT&T store stateside17:52
johnxmine press my glasses into my head in a most uncomfortable way :/17:52
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aquatixjohnx: mod them onto your glasses?17:53
johnxthat totally doesn't sound like it will make me look like a complete nerd :P17:54
RST38hjohnx: exactly my problem17:54
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* qwerty12 just has a pair that you shove headphones into :P. Not a headset but at least it can do mp3 decoding on the headset17:57
Stskeepsjohnx: ah, yeah, that'd be a problem17:57
aquatixjohnx: ;)17:57
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Stskeepsjesus, codesourcery toolchain takes ages to dl..18:16
RST38h*** Jesus Nickname is already in use.18:20
RST38hSorry, Stskeeps18:21
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Stskeeps" I feel emotionally attached to Maemo"18:29
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qwerty12I feel Maemo.18:30
Stskeepsi want that tshirt.18:30
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RST38hAnonymous Maemo Addicts18:31
Stskeepsi use my tablet at night when i wake up and can't fall asleep18:32
RST38h(that is on the back, the front will say "Will Kill For 3D Acceleration")18:32
qwerty12Stskeeps, I use it before I go to sleep :/18:32
Stskeeps"the first thing i think about when i wake up is where my tablet is."18:32
Stskeeps.. which ironically comes after when i look for my pants18:32
qwerty12I don't need to because it's next to me when I wake up :p18:32
Stskeeps"maemo svn"18:32
Stskeeps.. is there a maemo svn?18:32
Stskeepsdoing this questionare for maemo stuff :P18:33
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RST38h"I always know, where, when, and what I will be doing with my tablet."18:40
RST38h(btw, that is the third stage of alcoholism - the patient  is carefully planning when, where, and with whom he is going to get drunk)18:40
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, what is this?18:40
vincenzo88Goodbye everybody18:41
GeneralAntillesGoodbye cruel world18:41
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GeneralAntillesWhere is X-Fade. . . .18:43
GeneralAntillesWell, to the rest of the room: Eero says they're busy with Fremantle stuff, and it's going to take a while to push an updated policy document. So if we've got more changes we want to push, now would be the time to start collecting them.18:44
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qwerty12off topic, but seeing as we are quiet, anyone know of a good wifi usb dongle that works well in Linux?18:48
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: the questionare on maemo-developers18:49
Stskeepsjohnx: (shell script, requires git, sdk, build-essential and other evil things, but does the trick..) in the end, PATH=$HOME/mr-sdk/sb2/bin:$PATH bash, and sb2 away happily18:50
Stskeepssome things need to be sb2 -e (emulated) such as apt-get and such, and others are just sb2 dpkg-bulldpackage -rfakeroot -d18:50
johnxthat is stunningly awesome18:50
Stskeepsgets toolchain, compiles qemu, sb2 and sets it all up with a ubuntu rootstrap18:50
Stskeepsand even gets the bloody arm architecture (big mistake on mojo's part) right18:51
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i guess it wasn't directly posted to m-d, but to individual posters18:51
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Stskeepsjohnx: the idea is then to have different targets and such, where it sets up ccflags and such correctly eventually18:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, the ETH Zürich one?18:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah18:53
qwerty12cool :)18:53
Stskeepsjohnx: so you can do for instance sb2 -t mr-n800 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d, sb -t mr-zaurus, sb -t mr-pandora etc..18:54
johnxthat would be pretty neat18:54
Stskeepsand maybe including emulation aliases that way too18:55
johnxI guess the mojo guys just patched their version of gcc to optimize for a certain armvN by default18:55
Stskeepsno clue :P18:55
johnxwell they said they did. :)18:56
johnxthey *might* have lied of course, if they wanted to trick us :D18:56
Stskeepsbut being able to build packages fast certainly helps for this feat18:56
Stskeepsi'll include the sb2 thing in proposal later18:56
* lardman was in the lab, catching up on the backlog18:58
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lardmanthe problem with a2dp on Linux is to do with a lack of high precision timers, which mean the music can sound odd18:58
johnxI don't think anything terribly new was said18:58
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johnxand yet it seems to do pretty good on the desktop18:58
lardmanwas someone saying that mp3 is decompressed on DSP then compressed to SBC on DSP? this is wrong, but my goal18:59
lardmanjohnx: probably less chance on the desktop of some other thread stopping it from filling the buffer in time?18:59
johnxah, likely18:59
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yeah, just got it.19:01
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lcuklardman, does the mp3 frame have to be decompressed then recompressed as stand alone steps - cant you translate one frame from Filemp3->SBC in one swift hand wave?19:04
lardmanatm mp3 is decompressed on the ARM19:04
lardmanI'm trying to get an mp3 dsp decoder working so it can all be handled on the dsp, but have been busy doing other things recently19:05
lcukuh huh, lots of busyness everywhere19:05
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lcukits ok i misread up there anyway, you were refering to someone else saying that19:05
lardmanyeah, I thought someone else did say that that's how it worked19:06
lardman<RST38h> johnx: So, to play stuff via A2DP, you have to first uncompress mp3 (on DSP), then compress result into A2DP format (on the same DSP)19:07
zaltairhi everybody... i am using mplayer, and i can play XVID/MPEG-4, but performance is very bad... well a resolution is 624x352 and frame rate/sec is 24 and the video is 350Mb/52min ... some help pls19:07
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johnxwhat type of codec are you using for sound?19:08
zaltairyep  i running mplayer on N80019:08
l7hey, did you know mplayer doesn't support processor throttling?19:08
l7CPU is always at 400 when it's active, even when paused19:09
l7even on powersave mode19:09
lardmanl7: interesting19:09
zaltairjohnx: i do not know... how can i find that...19:09
johnxzaltair, if you run mplaer from the command line19:09
zaltairl7: ouch.. that is bad...19:09
johnxs/mplaer/mplayer -v your-file.avi/19:09
Stskeepsl7: you should probably watch "stats" instead of current cpu freq19:09
Stskeepsgives a better picture19:09
l7it also seem that even on powersave mode, doing various things will push your CPU over 16519:10
l7Stskeeps: how do i access stats?19:10
l7CPU speed seems to be at 328 while playing music with canola or osso-media19:11
derfl7: ARM and DSP clocks are linked, so that's not surprising.19:11
l7regardless of powersave19:11
zaltairis any quick solution on the web? i haven't time now... i will come later...19:11
disco_stuwhat about playing music with xmms ?19:11
l7maybe that's why tapping  causes the CPU to spike to 40019:11
l7i haven't tested xmms yet19:11
derfI think the DSP is hard-coded to run at full speed when it has active tasks, which means that the ARM will be at 333 MHz.19:11
lardmanl7: starting a dsp task removes any cpufreq modifiers and sticks the dsp to top speed19:12
johnxzaltair, don't use aac audio. make sure you use mp3 audio19:12
Stskeepsl7: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state19:12
lardmanah, too late :)19:12
l7lardman: CPU is only at 328 when using osso though, not 40019:12
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derfl7: When the DSP is at full speed, the ARM is only at 333 MHz.19:13
derfWhen the ARM is at 400 MHz, the DSP actually gets clocked down.19:13
zaltairok ... bye...19:13
JaffaFilling in this survey: (another) N810 or Freerunner?19:14
Stskeepsi wasn't terribly impressed by the freerunner19:15
Stskeepsi would rather want a n810 :P19:15
GeneralAntillesI went for the N810.19:15
RST38hJaffa: N810!19:16
l7derf: oh right19:16
l7can i rest time_in_state without a reboot?19:17
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infobotl7 meant: can i reset time_in_state without a reboot?19:17
JaffaN810 for the boy, then :)19:17
JaffaGot a nice Sony Ericsson phone19:17
l7what is the best deal for n810s these days?19:18
l7this tablet would be so much handier with a keyboard19:18
Stskeepsif i get a n810 my n800 would get passed down to my gf ;>19:18
l7lol, i'd keep my 800 for storage19:18
Stskeepsthough i'm not convinced since i've gotten her started on a pocket pc now, which fits her purposes19:19
l7the n810 needs a SD slot badly19:19
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Stskeepstrue, i do love my two sd slots19:19
l7or microSD failing that19:20
l7micro to mini SD conversion just seems like a PAIN19:21
RST38hbut you only do it once19:21
l7okay unstuck with a reconnect19:22
l7it's mislabeled19:22
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l7oh by the way, does mplayer use the DSP properly?19:23
l7because if it cycles the cpu to 400, it's slowing down the DSP19:23
l7i wonder if it's a recognized bug yet19:24
lardmanit can't be using the dsp in that case19:25
lardmanunless you've patched the kernel dvfs19:25
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l7i haven't19:26
l7does that mean it uses more power?19:26
lardmanno idea19:26
lardmanactually the dsp should be able to decode mp3 @22MHz (i.e. ARM at 400MHz)19:26
lardmancu later chaps19:27
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GeneralAntillesWith mplayer, you're better off with 400MHz and no DSP.19:29
GeneralAntillesSerge knows what he's doing, l7. :)19:29
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suihkulokkire: survey - do we really have 4 different accounts on ?19:32
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GeneralAntillessuihkulokki, wiki and Garage are the same.19:33
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GeneralAntillesBugzilla is separate.19:33
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* qwerty12 reformats my Intrepid partition and downgrades to Hardy19:34
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* Proteous reformats his occipital lobe and downgrades to brainstem19:39
Stskeepswhat's maemo SVN anyway? :P stage?19:40
qwerty12I guess for the stuff that is made public... mce is on garage so I would presume it uses the svn services of garage and maybe on some internal nokia links?19:42
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RST38hqwerty: Wha't wrong with Ibex?19:45
ProteousIbex ate all the marshmellows, I had to shoot him19:45
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qwerty12RST38h, It won't read my sysctl.conf on each boot like Hardy did (although that is lazyness on my part as it wouldn't take long to write a quick script that init runs) but the showstopper for me is ndiswrapper is even more retarded for me. After a while in Hardy, I continually lose connection and NM doesn't make it easy for me to connect in the first place. I uninstalled networkmanager and wrote (correct) settings in /etc/network/interf19:48
qwerty12aces for manually connecting and I still can't get a connection. So I'm saying fuck it and going back to what works for me.19:48
GNUtonHi there19:49
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RST38hyou need a ndiswrapper? evil.19:49
qwerty12yep :P.I'm being a tramp by not buying a nice linux supported wifi dongle but this one works really well for me in windows, so *shrug*19:50
l7GeneralAntilles: heh okay, i'll take your word for it19:51
l7now to see if there's any other programs wasting my batteries19:51
l7is time_in_state measured in milliseconds?19:52
l7actually it looks like 100ths of a second maybe19:53
RST38hwhy no real driver?19:54
Stskeepssuihkulokki: btw xserver-xorg-video-omapfb, - control mentions the nvidia driver? :P19:55
Stskeepsl7: ticks maybe19:55
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qwerty12RST38h, The one supporting the chipset in my wifi dongle doesn't actually support the actual dongle itself. No idea what's up with that :P. I'm starting to take quite a liking to FreeBSD out of curiosity now so I may end up plugging my computer directly into the router by ethernet :P19:56
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: guess what I used as a template? :)19:59
Stskeepssuihkulokki: hehe ;)20:00
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* Stskeeps continues trying to get the how and why of sb220:02
RST38hSts: btw current version has some problems on Ibex20:04
RST38hIt will not see /media/* stuff from inside sb220:05
StskeepsRST38h: k - not on ibex (yet) though20:05
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disco_stui'm about to flash the tablet20:14
disco_stui have to grab the flasher only20:14
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disco_stustupid battery isnt full20:27
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l7is it that important for the battery to be full?20:33
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disco_studunno.. the wiki says so20:33
timelessif you're flashing your device and there isn't enough charge, you could brick it20:33
l7i've flashed at 50 to 60 before with no issues20:34
timelessif you're trying to run off a/c (don't), you could accidentally lose power (trip over cable) or lose it because of a power failure, which could lead to a bricked device20:34
RST38hthat is because your battery has been full enough20:34
disco_stubut for 30secs of flashing no much battery is needed i think20:34
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timelessremember: if the docs say to have your device charged, and you don't follow them, nokia care is under little obligation to fix your device when you call crying that you bricked it against the instructions20:35
RST38hbut of course you are welcome to experiment by cutting power supply while flashing20:35
timelesswhen playing russian roulette w/ a gun, you might be able to aim the gun at your head 5 times20:35
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timelessif you happen to spin the chamber, you might get even more shots20:35
timelessbut you might also die.20:35
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timelesswhy play russian roulette if you don't need to?20:36
disco_stufor fun20:36
disco_stuif i turn on the tablet is says battery full, if i turn it off it starts charging20:36
disco_stuthat is stupid20:37
disco_stuinfobot: what do you think about ?20:38
* disco_stu thinks bot is crap20:38
disco_stunow is full20:39
disco_stui dont want to reinstall everything20:39
disco_stubut guess improvements are worth20:39
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l7well i'm not about to experiment by cutting power during a reflash, that is absurd20:43
l7but i do think the docs are overly conservative20:43
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timelessi'll polish that later20:44
timelessplease don't circulate it too widely20:44
timelessit needs art, more words, etc.20:44
l7if you know what you're doing, you know how much power is required and how much of a charge your battery has, you should be able to flash at less than full charge with no issues20:44
disco_stui ended flashinh20:44
timelessand yes, i know 147 is the latest one i've published20:44
disco_stuflashing :)20:44
GeneralAntillesDoes Nokia happen to have any file-footage on hand of a char-broiled N810? ;)20:44
timeless148..152 (-150) are in need of reviews20:44
l7i'd rather have the knowledge, that's the point of playing with linux20:44
timelessGAN: heh, i think we have some devices that don't boot20:45
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i flashed to diable20:45
timelessi'm not quite sure i want to bother video'ing them20:45
timelessanyway, night20:45
timelessdarn, i missed my movie20:45
timelessis max payne any good?20:45
GeneralAntillesHaven't gotten around to seeing it yet20:46
* timeless decides to aim for it20:46
GeneralAntillesMy suspicion is that I'm going to hate it20:46
GeneralAntillessince I absolutely love the game.20:46
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l7anyway, if you brick the device, you should be able to just flash it again shouldn't you?20:47
GeneralAntillesWrong definition of brick20:47
GrackleHey, it's not a Uwe Boll production, it might have a chance.20:47
GeneralAntillesIf you screw up NOLO, then you wont be able to flash it again.20:47
GeneralAntillesThat said, flashing occurs at about 5MB/sec20:47
GeneralAntillesand NOLO is about 9KB in total20:47
GeneralAntillesNOkia LOader20:48
GeneralAntillesThe bootloader20:48
GeneralAntillesThe software that actually handles the flashing procedure device-side.20:48
l7ah, so that specific part of the nokia software, the loader is critical20:48
GeneralAntillesSo it's about a 2ms window you have to irreversibly screw up your device.20:49
timelessany window is still a window20:49
timelesssomeone will manage to find it20:49
timelessthe more chances you take the better the odds that the someone is you20:49
l7what can you do to fix the tablet if you do somehow screw up NOLO?20:49
timelessbuy a new one20:49
qwerty12_N800It's probably easier messing up the tablet when it is actually booted.20:50
l7strange that there's no recovery mode for the tablet20:50
GeneralAntillesl7, build a serial cable to cold flash.20:50
timelessl7: imagine performing brain surgery20:50
qwerty12_N800than compared to flashing that is20:50
timelesssome things are safer than others20:50
GeneralAntillesl7, there is, it's just not recoverable over USB.20:50
timelessbut if you manage to tick the right part (brain stem), you have a braindead being20:50
l7anyway, so after that 2ms window, if you tablet loses power during the flash, you can just reflash the tablet?20:51
infobotl7 meant: anyway, so after that 2ms window, if your tablet loses power during the flash, you can just reflash the tablet?20:51
timelessl7: if you can figure out where that window is20:51
GeneralAntillesWith some parts and some small familiarity with electronics, cold flashing isn't particularly difficult.20:51
timelessplus you're assuming that usb is doing 5MB/s20:51
GeneralAntillesNOLO is flashed first20:51
timelessif you're stupid and use a usb1 jack (which i believe works)20:51
timelessthen you're probably not getting 5MB/s20:52
l7timeless: you're really being excessive about this20:52
l7assuming the user is a moron20:52
GeneralAntillesBetter to be excessive and not have people come crying about bricked devices. ;)20:52
timelessl7: i've met enough users20:52
GeneralAntillesUsers _are_ morons.20:52
l7timeless: do you work for nokia or something?20:53
timelessi happen to20:53
timelessbut my opinion predates my existing employment contract20:53
timelessand my opinion isn't official policy20:53
disco_stui see no difference between chinook and diablo20:53
lcukbut working for nokia has nothing to do with common sense and following instructions when required20:53
timelessbut if you do something that voids the warrantee20:53
disco_stuand im missing the whole apps i had installed20:53
disco_studammit !!!20:53
l7timeless: what do you do at nokia?20:54
timelessthen you can't really expect the vendor to do much when you break it20:54
timelessl7: that's not particularly relevant here20:54
RST38hdisco <-- another example of moron user =)20:54
timelessi don't work on hardware20:54
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, install all the SSU updates then try the browser.20:54
lcukhiya timeless, gen, rst etc20:54
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timelesshi lcuk20:54
timelessanyway, there's a movie i want to watch20:54
* lcuk hopes for a less stressfull night20:54
* timeless has already missed a few movies tonight20:54
l7anyway, my point is that it's helpful to know the details of such instructions about flashing20:55
RST38hlcuk: less stressful than what?20:55
timelessl7: i doubt it20:55
disco_stutimeless what time is there ?20:55
l7rather than being issued a vague warning that you must always do what the instructions say without doing why20:55
timelessdo instructions on how to use a gun prevent people from killing themselves?20:55
l7your gun analogy is erroneous20:55
lcukrst, had a meh! kind of night last night with loads of things rolling around my head20:55
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timelessit's 4'till 9p20:56
timelessmovie is 9:15p i hope20:56
l7if i wanted to be kept in the dark and told nothing about how the device works, i'd buy an iphone20:56
timelessit's a 15min run20:56
timelessthe iphone has the same warning20:56
timelessthanks :)20:56
timeless(so does the ipod)20:56
RST38hlcuk: you should lose yourself in prayer to the Green One - it will improve your concentration and bloodlust! =)20:56
lcuktimeless, what are you goin watching?20:56
timelessmax payne20:56
lcukgreen one?20:56
l7i have an ipod, there's no such warning about flashing actually20:56
lcukahhh cool20:56
lcukl7, the logo on the screen that says "do not unplug or turn off whilst updating" isnt there is it not?20:57
lcukit certainly is on the ipod20:57
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: says no updates are available20:57
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, oh, right.20:57
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GeneralAntillesThey finally released 36-520:57
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l7lcuk: it doesn't say anything about charging the battery to full before flashing though20:57
GeneralAntillesYou're seriously telling me you don't notice a difference between Chinook and Diablo, though?20:57
GeneralAntillesApplication Manager is way better20:58
GeneralAntillesthe browser is way better20:58
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GeneralAntillesModest is the default email client now20:58
disco_stuyes that is the one i flashed20:58
l7this is a stupid argument anyway20:58
GeneralAntillesl7, because it charges over USB20:58
disco_stuwhat repos should i use ?20:58
disco_stuoh extras is disabled20:58
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disco_stui'll remove stupid content now20:59
* RST38h has got a teleconference in 15 minutes20:59
* GeneralAntilles fiddles with RST38h's router.21:01
lcukget a room!21:01
RST38hRouter? What router? I am using plain old landline.21:01
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RST38hGo fiddle with that, if giant carnivorous albino rats don't get you first =)21:02
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* lcuk sends RST38h a captain crunch whistle21:03
RST38hProlly won't work here, with most pbxes still using pulse by d21:04
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: you're right app manager is very nice now21:07
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l7what's new in app manager in diablo?21:14
disco_stuit is improved21:15
disco_stuin speed mostly21:15
qwerty12_N800fixes, speed improvments, long version numbers don't mess up the display of apps21:15
l7any new features?21:16
disco_stuwhere the hell is osso-xterm21:16
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qwerty12_N800same place it always is on a new flash21:17
l7i always move it to my selections21:17
l7god knows why it's buried in utilities or whereever21:18
GeneralAntillesl7, stability, speed, small usability improvements all over.21:18
l7refinement is good21:18
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l7i was wondering if the search or log features were new since i rarely use them21:19
l7i didn't use app mamanger for several months before switching to diablo21:19
mgedminapp manager has search?21:19
disco_stufor browsing i use links2 so i dont care about the speed improvements of microb21:20
GeneralAntillesIt's not all that useful, unfortunately.21:20
l7kinda iffy since it's hard to know what you wna to search for21:20
mgedminxchat ;21:20
disco_stuapt-cache search21:20
mgedminbye all!21:20
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disco_stuis better for pkg search21:20
l7arer the maemo repo categories ever going to be cleaned up by the way?21:20
l7i always click on All and then just browse the huge list21:21
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: are you half a bot ?21:22
disco_stuis awesome hoy the guy answers immediatly with concise and concrete info21:22
disco_stugood work man21:23
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, nah, I just happened to have been actively pushing the new categories for the past few weeks. ;)21:23
GeneralAntillesThe first link there is mine. :)21:23
lcukGeneralAntilles is not half bot, in 5 years he becomes skynet21:23
GeneralAntilleslcuk's the one I'm going to terminate.21:24
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qwerty12_N800We want liqbase!21:24
l7ah that blogspot post is interesting21:24
lcukall your liqbase are belong to you :)21:24
GeneralAntillesTerminator: lcuk's Mom's Chronicles21:24
lcuktoo' many' quotes' i think' and mom is misspelt21:25
lcukhiya qwerty12_N80021:25
qwerty12_N800hey lcuk21:25
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GeneralAntillesThere are no "Mums" in the US. :P21:26
* qwerty12_N800 finds saying Mum embarrassing :p21:26
disco_stugo say milf then21:27
* lcuk got called "uncle daddy" the other night by jacob21:27
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qwerty12_N800actually, me & friends downloaded contacts of a classmate and lol'ed when we found "mummy"21:27
qwerty12_N800disco_stu, nah :p21:27
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I called my father by his first name for about 3 years when I was really young.21:28
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lcukactually jake called me gary for ages - i always thought of maggy simpson21:28
lcukthe uncle daddy one was cute though (neice was there and she is "uncle gary" n "auntie tracy" n stuff21:29
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GeneralAntillesHow old is he?21:30
lcukhes 6, but is a bit behind on his peers21:30
lcukcomplete opposite to luke, who was walking and talkin before he was 121:31
lcukmind you, jake has major setback right at the start of school - broke one leg and was laid up for ages, then a week after getting the plaster off broke the other one :S21:31
GrackleWow, what happened? o.o21:32
GeneralAntillesHow do you break your leg at 6?21:32
lcukyeah, we still have the casts21:32
lcukhe was much younger21:32
lcukwas just walking home and collapsed under him21:32
lcukhes a delicate little flower :)21:32
* GeneralAntilles has yet to break a bone.21:33
lcuksame here - though i have dislocated my hip21:34
lcuki woke up one morning and my foot was pointing the wrong way21:34
* qwerty12_N800 was just unlucky then, i had an operation as soon as i was born :p21:34
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disco_stulcuk: i think you dream being a power ranger21:35
lcukwhat for?21:35
lcukheh disco_stu i think i got tied up inside my duvet and turned over21:35
disco_stuno megazord that time21:35
qwerty12_N800lcuk, club foot. now i look like a tosser each time i walk :p21:35
lcukbut can you wear normal shoes?21:36
disco_studiablo changed the name of the stock wallpapers21:36
disco_stuthats not polite21:37
qwerty12_N800lcuk, yeah, i'm lucky in that regard :)21:37
lcukmakes you look around the system and reinvestiage things21:37
lcukyeah qwerty, every time you tihnk you are odd just smile and think how it wouldv been without the surgery21:38
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i have a doubt21:38
lcukmind you, you wouldv won every wrestling match "faheem and the flighting clubfoot"21:38
disco_stuto enter maemo council one needs to speak fluid Klingon ?21:38
lcuk"omg hes taken him down with the cheezehit"21:38
qwerty12_N800hehe :P21:38
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GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, nah, you just gotta whore yourself all over the neighborhood.21:40
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lcuki need to get myself a large format tablet21:44
disco_stui found something new21:44
disco_studunno if it was in chinook21:45
disco_stuthe keyboard understands gestures21:45
disco_stunobody ?21:46
lcukim waiting for you to explain, i did look at my n810 keyboard and wonder how it would work21:47
disco_stuon screen keyboard21:47
disco_stui was using xterm21:47
qwerty12_N800it was in chinook afaik. input method  was updated but biggest difference from chinook was that it can now tell if you tapped an input field with a finger or stylus.21:47
disco_stuno no21:47
disco_stunot that21:47
disco_stuyou tap on a letter21:47
qwerty12_N800in chinook.21:48
disco_stuand without untaping21:48
disco_stuyou move to the right21:48
disco_stuor left21:48
qwerty12_N800letter down sends a return etc21:48
disco_stuup does shift21:49
disco_stulike with xvkbd21:49
qwerty12_N800the letter down one annoys me actually. /me should set up an sbox again soon and recompile the him with that gesture removed.21:50
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disco_stuhandwriting is improved also21:50
* lcuk could not configure handwriting properly21:50
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GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, gestures have been there since OS200521:52
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, that was just fixing a regression from Bora. ;)21:52
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disco_stugpe calendar is missing21:53
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: wich is the best solution to achieve root acces in the nit ?21:55
infobotmethinks root-access is
disco_stuin chinook i modified sudoers file21:55
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GeneralAntillesrootsh is what I like21:55
GeneralAntillesInstall sudser from Extras if you want to use sudo.21:55
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disco_stui see the app manager being slower to start downloading new pkgs21:57
lcukmight just be right now, you could have net slowdown21:58
disco_stuno i dont21:58
disco_stuim looking at my router21:58
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lcukwhat about their router?21:58
disco_stuthey are suppose to have a huge conection21:59
disco_studamn i have to go to college in half an hour21:59
lcukyes, and i was supposed to have a flying car by now21:59
qwerty12_N800lcuk, i've had to delay your order :(22:00
disco_stulcuk: are you up to fluber either ?22:00
disco_stuyou know22:01
disco_stuthe greenish thing that bounces22:01
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lcukohhh flubber, i read it like foo bar22:02
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lcukno, ive got a plastic bag and some pieces of cotton22:02
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disco_stuare you planning a kidnap or something ?22:03
lcukthough last time i tried it, something went wrong and I plumetted down the stairs22:03
disco_stui dont like the stupid analog clock22:03
lcukthen click it and change it22:04
* lcuk has written a new clock22:04
qwerty12_N800with time machine functionality?22:04
RST38hwill it downgrade to chinook too?22:04
disco_stuwith a flux cappacitor ?22:05
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lcukqwerty, no i had to remove that part, the flux capacitor caused too much battery drain22:06
lcukRST38h, downgrade? i believe most of liqbase is version agnostic22:07
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, you can change the clock in Clock22:08
lcukclick the clock22:08
disco_stuim missing ettercap now22:09
disco_stuwith that i'll be ready to go22:09
RST38hlcuk: Not the liqbase, the time machine!22:09
lcukno, the time machine only operates in the present22:10
lcukand only when you have a gps lock22:10
lcukhence, ive not managed to test it yet22:10
qwerty12_N800? I heard the gps in the N810 is military standard.22:11
lcuki jest, its actually been quite reliable most days ive used it22:12
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lcukthough we did get to our destination before it locked one ady22:12
qwerty12_N800:p. I'd never buy a N810 personally for the gps22:13
RST38hgps isn't a person22:13
lcukthen who tells me to take the 3rd exit at the turning circle?22:13
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lcukand to turn round cos i dont know where the feck im going22:14
disco_stulcuk: your GF ?22:14
disco_stumine does..22:14
RST38hThe Electric Woman treacherously confined to the little plastic box by evil Chinese22:14
disco_stuyelling ..22:14
lcuktracytracy has been a very reliable map reader for a long time22:14
lcukdisco_stu, doesnt she have a mute button22:15
RST38hbtw, DOW is -427 tonight22:15
RST38hlcuk: does yours have a mute button?22:16
* Stskeeps ponders idly why there is political stuff on planet maemo22:16
disco_stulcuk: yes but is hard to find22:16
Stskeeps(not that i dont agree but still..)22:16
lcukyes, i just have to insert the smart card into her purse and she shuts up ;)22:16
disco_stulcuk: thats one of the ways22:17
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, because we haven't thumbed it into the ground enough yet.22:17
GeneralAntillesand thoughtfix wonders why he gets negative karma. . . .22:17
disco_stuwell fellows22:17
disco_stusee you tonight22:17
disco_stuthanks for your valuable help and company22:18
GeneralAntillesRST38h, you should write an expose for those poor Electric Women.22:18
lcukdisco_stu, my invoice is in the post22:18
GeneralAntilles$999 USD22:18
lcukper comment22:18
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lcukmight make you a couple of € gen ;)22:19
GeneralAntillesAll sales are final, workmanship is not guaranteed and additional support costs $9.99 per minute.22:19
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lcukright im off22:19
qwerty12_N800Where do I order?!?22:19
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800 would make the perfect infommercial actor.22:20
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qwerty12_N800hah :P22:21
RST38hGeneral: Only when I manage to get the photos!22:21
GeneralAntillesIt has the feel of an Onion article22:21
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RST38hOnion is the last reliable news source out there22:23
RST38hexcept that sometimes it reports on the future events.22:23
* qwerty12_N800 read it as least but then realised it really was last22:23
GeneralAntillesWell, that too. ;)22:24
GeneralAntillesStarted working on this if somebody wants to jump in:
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RST38hSCRUM refers to software development process. Sprint meetings are mainly policy-related afaik22:29
RST38hNot sure if it applies22:29
GeneralAntillesWiki doesn't really think so:
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RST38hScrum is an iterative incremental process of software development22:32
RST38hfirst sentence on that page22:32
GeneralAntillesIs exactly what we're doing, yes.22:32
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RST38hBTW, gentlemen, any news on qalculator for Maemo? Qwerty?22:59
qwerty12_N800RST38h, waited ages for it to compile and watched it segfault upon startup :p. That was gtk version though, I never tried the qt version.23:01
RST38hwell, gtk will be more useful at the moment23:01
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: ts_read gives sensible coordinates, but in X the values seem to grow rapidly out of screen23:09
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StsN800suihkulokki, use calibration values from xomap?23:19
StsN800pointercal that is23:19
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GeneralAntillesSomebody want to remind me of the default application menu folders?23:23
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suihkulokkiStsN800: I am23:25
JaffaGeneralAntilles: My selection, Internet, Communication, Utilities, Settings, Extras23:27
* Jaffa now leaves work. Only 21:30.23:27
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StsN800suihkulokki, hm, weird. ts_cal with fb update mode auto maybe23:29
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qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, You forgot the xterm! It's the best way of launching apps :p23:32
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, feel free to elaborate if the mood catches you. ;)23:33
qwerty12_N800Hmm, I think I'll pass :P.23:33
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