IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-11-04

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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, Hildon is likely changing, so existing Hildon applications will change, too. :)	00:02
lcuk	yes GeneralAntilles i am aware of things like that, but that is far less upheavel than a major paradigm shift	00:02
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GeneralAntilles	I don't know if there's an API break in there like there was for Bora -> Chinook	00:04
GeneralAntilles	Though I'd suspect so.	00:04
lcuk	a bit of an api change does not constitute unworkable, anyway back away from hildon will a native x11 program load and display correctly - yes i know it looks crap, but it WORKS on the device	00:05
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l7	wow, mplayer is really cool	00:24
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l7	you don't even need to use clumsy interfaces to play internet radio if you just assign a few aliases to opening your favorite streams	00:25
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lcuk	obama just won the election	00:44
lcuk	but lost his gran :(	00:44
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ccooke	lcuk: ah, yes. I'm 'looking forward' to the conspiracy theories from the more insane right-wingers :-/	00:45
lcuk	no doubt about this one now	00:45
GeneralAntilles	The world's gonna end.	00:45
lcuk	nahhhh, he will do you proud	00:46
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	00:46
GeneralAntilles	They're all in cahoots with eachother	00:46
GeneralAntilles	None of them are interested in looking out for the people.	00:46
GeneralAntilles	No matter what, we're still fucked.	00:46
ccooke	GeneralAntilles: okay, given that neither of the candidates are likely to survive a year if elected... which of the vice-presidential candidates would you prefer?	00:47
GeneralAntilles	Neither	00:47
GeneralAntilles	Like I said	00:47
GeneralAntilles	They're all in cahoots	00:47
GeneralAntilles	It's like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.	00:47
Veggen	ccooke: Obama will be shot while McCain will die of a heart attack?	00:47
ccooke	the problem with voting being that politicians always win...	00:47
lcuk	heh	00:48
ccooke	Veggen: seems likely, doesn't it?	00:48
Veggen	ccooke: not entirely unlikely, either.	00:48
ccooke	let's put it this way. If I was a little more cynical, I'd be putting money on it if Obama wins.	00:48
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Veggen	ccooke: there are quite a few right-wing nuts that are likely to go through with it, yes...	00:49
Veggen	But I still think I'd prefer Biden to Palin :)	00:49
Veggen	Not that I know too much about Biden (he's been pretty anonymous, seen from here in Norway), but Palin? Anything has to be better :)	00:50
GeneralAntilles	It doesn't matter, they all have the same agenda.	00:50
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mariorz	so when flashing a tablet should it be on or off?	01:15
mariorz	doesnt seem to find it either way	01:15
woglinde_	off	01:16
woglinde_	start flasher	01:16
woglinde_	and then turn on	01:16
mariorz	weird, it just boots normally	01:16
mariorz	ill try some mor.e thx	01:17
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GeneralAntilles	mariorz, follow the directions:	01:19
GeneralAntilles	~flashing	01:19
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	01:19
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mariorz	cool. thx	01:19
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mariorz	working now :)	01:24
mariorz	hay how well does 0s2008 work on a 770?	01:25
mariorz	installing 2007HE atm not sure if woudl be better with 2008	01:26
woglinde_	I think 2008 is better	01:26
woglinde_	but I go to bed now	01:26
woglinde_	good nite	01:26
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mariorz	nite	01:26
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l7	wow http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06566.html is quite useful	02:13
l7	run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser --url=$url is great!	02:14
GeneralAntilles	browserd --url should get you the same thing	02:14
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GeneralAntilles	That's for OS2006, so I'm not sure how deprecated it is.	02:14
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l7	hrm	02:15
andre__	harhar	02:15
l7	browserd --url doesn't seem to work	02:16
andre__	GeneralAntilles: it's quite similar to an original photo i think	02:16
l7	/media/mmc2/MyDocs $ browserd --url http://192.168.1.4/~l/mp3/foobar.mp3	02:16
l7	browserd: invalid option -- -	02:16
l7	/media/mmc2/MyDocs $ browserd --url=http://192.168.1.4/~l/mp3/foobar.mp3	02:16
l7	browserd: invalid option -- -	02:16
GeneralAntilles	Misremembering, I guess.	02:17
l7	maybe it's been removed it it was deprecated	02:17
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l7	hmm, is it possible to get the osso media player to automatically play when i pass it a url?	02:19
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l7	i'm using osso-media-server http://192.168.1.2/foobar.mp3 to play files from my computer	02:20
l7	but i still have to walk over and hit play	02:20
GeneralAntilles	Why do you need to use Media Player?	02:20
GeneralAntilles	Why not just use mpd?	02:20
l7	guess i haven't gotten around to trying it	02:21
l7	i'll give it a look	02:21
l7	what do i need on the server side?	02:22
GeneralAntilles	One of about a thousand mpd clients.	02:22
GeneralAntilles	If by "server" you mean "desktop"	02:23
l7	yeah	02:23
GeneralAntilles	Since the tablet's the server when it's running mpd.	02:23
GeneralAntilles	http://mpd.wikia.com/?page=clients	02:23
l7	ah i see a mac client	02:23
l7	i thought it was unix centric	02:23
l7	well, linux centric	02:24
l7	hrm, too lazy to find my xcode cd	02:25
pupnik	hmm	02:25
GeneralAntilles	l7, it's available off apple.com	02:25
pupnik	that esd thing on tablet kinda works nice	02:25
pupnik	tries to calculate the net delay when connecting	02:26
pupnik	never holds sync, but what would network audio be without bad sync and echoes around the room...	02:26
pupnik	... an FM transmitter....	02:26
l7	GeneralAntilles: which section?	02:27
GeneralAntilles	rimshot	02:27
l7	it's not in apple.com/downloads	02:27
GeneralAntilles	l7, somewhere in the developer's corner	02:27
GeneralAntilles	http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/	02:27
l7	oh yeah mean xcode	02:27
pupnik	hmmm	02:27
GeneralAntilles	First result on Google. :P	02:27
l7	yeah only xcode 3	02:27
GeneralAntilles	2 was still available last time I checked.	02:27
l7	i'm on 10.4 and i looked everywhere for xcode 2	02:27
l7	i'm pretty sure it's gone	02:27
l7	they want people to work on 10.5 or take a hike now	02:28
l7	maybe i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure it's gone	02:28
l7	the xcode 2 manual is gone too	02:28
l7	xcode 1.5 is long gone i think	02:29
GeneralAntilles	Weird	02:29
l7	that's the thing about apple, all the old versions of things eventually vanish, which forces you to horde your own little repository of stuff if you want to use it later	02:29
* GeneralAntilles just upgrades.		02:30
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l7	yeah, that's usually the thing to do	02:30
l7	though occasionally the old versions are better or less restrictive in some ways	02:31
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l7	upgrade cycles are also a good time to be forced to upgrade software that works fine in one version of the OS but is broken in the next	02:35
l7	maybe they'll keep their promise of not breaking stuff in 10.6 though, who knows	02:36
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l7	activating mplayer through ssh seems to take away your ability to control it via terminal	03:51
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l7	why is that when i do 'ssh user@192.168.1.3 mplayer $url' to play music, that i cannot control it from the terminal?	03:52
l7	when i shell in normally and activate mplayer it works fine	03:52
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ryoohki	how can i verify video is working in skype on the new n810?	04:07
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GeneralAntilles	ryoohki, you don't.	04:12
GeneralAntilles	Skype doesn't support video.	04:12
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zakkm	How much battery life should the Nokia N800 have, brand new.	04:27
zakkm	?*	04:27
GeneralAntilles	4-6 hours active	04:28
GeneralAntilles	around 6-14 days completely idle	04:28
zakkm	oh okay, i bought it used.. and fully charged it says 7 hours in use, 10 days idle	04:28
GeneralAntilles	2-4 days idle on wifi.	04:28
zakkm	is that right?	04:28
zakkm	should i get a new battery?	04:28
GeneralAntilles	Those estimates are based on charge percentage.	04:28
zakkm	yeah	04:28
zakkm	should it say more ?	04:28
GeneralAntilles	No	04:28
zakkm	so i have a good battery?	04:29
GeneralAntilles	Well	04:29
GeneralAntilles	It wont say less for a broken battery	04:29
zakkm	oh	04:29
zakkm	cuase the time really goes fast	04:29
zakkm	-.-	04:29
GeneralAntilles	So, my point was that those numbers are meaningless.	04:29
zakkm	it was like 7 hours, next thing it said under a hour.. in like 1-2 hours	04:29
GeneralAntilles	How old is the tablet?	04:29
zakkm	Dont know, bought it used	04:29
zakkm	never asked how old it is	04:29
zakkm	I bought it half a week ago ?	04:30
zakkm	its not like omg its so bad	04:32
zakkm	but i remember my 770 lasting a lot longer, and i feel like this should last long too	04:32
GeneralAntilles	battery could be shot	04:33
GeneralAntilles	They're not the longest lasting things ever.	04:33
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zakkm	k, thanks	04:39
zakkm	I'll see how much a new one is	04:39
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smackpotato	does the 770 recieve bluetooth audio	04:47
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GeneralAntilles	Receive?	04:47
GeneralAntilles	From?	04:47
smackpotato	ya from one of the bluetooth transmiter you can plug into your stereo	04:48
GeneralAntilles	A2DP? No.	04:48
smackpotato	bummer what is the problem	04:49
GeneralAntilles	Um?	04:49
smackpotato	sorry i didnt see the nick	04:49
GeneralAntilles	You want to connect the audio out of your stereo to a Bluetooth transmitter and send it to a 770?	04:49
GeneralAntilles	Why in the world?	04:49
smackpotato	so i can listen to the fm	04:50
GeneralAntilles	Just tune into the internet stream?	04:50
GeneralAntilles	Most stations have one these days.	04:50
smackpotato	ya i know but i live in a remote canadian village	04:51
GeneralAntilles	Or cut out the 770 and just use a pair of wireless headphones directly.	04:51
GeneralAntilles	Or buy an N800	04:51
smackpotato	i have a 810	04:51
smackpotato	somone was mentioning using the old 770 as a internet radio	04:52
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, to plug into your stereo.	04:52
smackpotato	ya	04:52
smackpotato	ok take 2	04:53
smackpotato	the bluetooth will come from cheep,fm radio	04:53
smackpotato	so i can control the volume from bed	04:54
smackpotato	fm radio via bluetooth via 700 via stereo va sounwaves	04:55
smackpotato	am i any clearer than mud	04:56
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ryoohki	GeneralAntilles: skype supports video just fine on my n800	05:43
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GeneralAntilles	Um, since when?	05:43
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lopz	night	05:50
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zakkm	videochat works on skype?	06:33
zakkm	I been trying to find some way to videochat with a friend	06:33
GAN800	No.	06:35
GAN800	Gizmo.	06:35
zakkm	Is the battery life lower, if i boot from SD?	06:36
zakkm	im wondering if that might be causing my low battery life	06:36
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pupnik	ok, who stole my n810	07:08
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pupnik	serves me right for not doing anything with it	07:08
pupnik	:(	07:08
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zakkm	what ?	07:29
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Khertan_n810	hi !	09:00
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Khertan_n810	is there a way to detect why an app isn t launch by menu ?	09:00
Khertan_n810	maybe an error in .desktop	09:01
Khertan_n810	or service file	09:01
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Khertan_n810	but i don t see it	09:01
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Khertan_n810	and don t see anything interesting with dbus-monitor	09:02
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RST38h	moo all	09:16
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Khertan_n810	Hi !	09:54
Khertan_n810	maybe someone can explain me how an app is launch by the menu	09:55
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Khertan_n810	?	09:55
Khertan_n810	as i do thing the same as every other app but it doesn t seems to work	09:56
Khertan_n810	2hours to make application	09:56
Khertan_n810	2day to tweak desktop file	09:57
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camel_liu	hi, everybody.	10:22
camel_liu	I met error "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la'" after install SDL-ttf and SDL-net.	10:24
camel_liu	autogen.sh and configure is ended successful, but make errors	10:24
camel_liu	there's not libSDL.la in that directory.	10:25
Stskeeps	then you need to install libsdl :P	10:25
camel_liu	But the game program runs well before I try to add ttf font in it.	10:26
Stskeeps	mmkay	10:27
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camel_liu	Do I need to install libsdl again?	10:28
Stskeeps	possibly	10:28
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camel_liu	libsdl1.2-dev is already the newest version.	10:30
camel_liu	libsdl1.2 is already the newest version.	10:31
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Stskeeps	k	10:32
camel_liu	I installed libSDL_ttf and libSDL_net, and there're .la files for them. But ther're not .la files for libSDL, libSDL_mixer and libSDL_image, which are installed by default.	10:33
camel_liu	how can I generate the .la files ?	10:34
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camel_liu	When I make my program before I add some ttf support in it, no error found	10:36
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Stskeeps	johnx: heh, the new batch of people trying ubuntu ended with same conclusion as we did about it, even though it seems complete, not all packages are there	10:49
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:17
X-Fade	Hi..	11:18
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Stskeeps	morning Jaffa	11:24
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Khertan	Morning all !	12:04
Khertan	someone can explain me how the application menu launch an application ?	12:05
Khertan	as i ve done thing like my other app	12:05
Khertan	but i'm not able to make mTasks be launched by the application menu	12:06
Khertan	if i understand it use dbus to launch an app	12:06
Khertan	reading the .desktop file	12:06
Khertan	and executing something like : dbus-launch /usr/bin/mtasks	12:06
Khertan	where the bin path is the one which is specified in the .desktop or .service file ...	12:07
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inz	dbus-launch has actually nothing to do with this	12:11
Khertan	ah ....	12:11
Khertan	and how maemo menu launch an app ?	12:12
inz	But if there is X-Osso-Service -field in the .desktop file, then it tries to send a message to the service	12:12
Khertan	ok	12:12
inz	And D-Bus daemon starts up the service, if not running and a .service file is present for the service	12:12
Khertan	hum ...	12:13
Khertan	and dbus try to launch it how ?	12:13
Khertan	can i reproduce the thing under xterm ?	12:13
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DanielW	hi	12:18
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DanielW	when i try to connect to an wpa2 peap network it says "authentification failed" is there something to get a more verbose error mesage	12:19
inz	Khertan, I 'spose the daemon just reads the exec path from the .service file, does fork()/exec() and waits for the program to register the service name	12:19
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Stskeeps	DanielW: eduoram or the likes?	12:20
Stskeeps	eduroam, i mean	12:20
DanielW	straind`: yes a similar network in my university	12:21
DanielW	Stskeeps:	12:21
Stskeeps	http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182 might be a direction then	12:21
X-Fade	DanielW: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182	12:21
X-Fade	Ah ;)	12:21
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Stskeeps	(jaiku subscriptions do come in handy occasionally :P)	12:22
DanielW	ok thanks. already googled but didn't find anything helpful	12:22
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camel_liu	Does anyone know what this means: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la'	12:26
camel_liu	What is .la files?	12:26
DanielW	Stskeeps and X-Fade, thank you, got it to work :-)	12:28
X-Fade	DanielW: That is great news ;)	12:29
Stskeeps	DanielW: ta - i might try that at my uni's eduroam too then	12:29
Khertan	inz: strange ... i still don't understand why my prog isn't launch by menu and work well launching it manually	12:30
Khertan	inz: thx for your help	12:31
lardman	morning	12:31
inz	Khertan, does your program register the d-bus service name (in time)?	12:31
Khertan	it should :)	12:31
camel_liu	How can I get libSDL.la file?	12:36
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Ping?	12:37
lardman	camel_liu: why are you statically linking?	12:41
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camel_liu	What should I do? I just try following a sample.	12:42
camel_liu	How can I control the link type?	12:43
camel_liu	I'm a freshman in maemo	12:46
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RST38h	reMOO	12:51
lardman	camel_liu: usually you have to explicitly ask to be statically linked	12:52
lardman	just do -lSDL in your flags and see what happens	12:52
camel_liu	ok, let me try	12:53
StsN800	hmm, any good wiki editors for maemo? editing maemo.org wiki is a nightmare on a n800	12:54
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joueur_	hi.... how can i disable serial console and usb-host-mode... i think it is drain my battery...	12:59
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camel_liu	lardman, Could you help me see the configure.ac file? http://pastebin.ca/1244730	13:01
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RST38h	usb-host-mode can be switched on and off using a settings applet (available from Extras)	13:01
RST38h	but it is off by default	13:01
StsN800	that sounds kinda unreasonable. well, usb host with device attached without poweredusb hub obviously..	13:01
camel_liu	I don't know what lead the error.	13:01
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lardman	camel_liu: looks like that should be ok	13:03
lardman	or are you getting an error when you run configure?	13:03
camel_liu	neither autogen.sh nor configure	13:04
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camel_liu	echo $? returns 0	13:05
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lardman	camel_liu: well just try to compile it, it looks like it looks for the SDL libs and will link against them dynamically	13:06
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camel_liu	but make returns error: http://pastebin.ca/1244734	13:09
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lardman	ah, I see what you mean now	13:10
camel_liu	?	13:11
lardman	do you have libSDL.so.x.x.x somewhere?	13:11
camel_liu	yes, I have libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 and libSDL-1.2.so.0	13:12
camel_liu	in target's /usr/lib/	13:13
lardman	ok, you either need to change the name it's trying to link against, or symlink that file to the expected name	13:13
lardman	I don't know what the usual way is	13:13
RST38h	first	13:14
lardman	libSDL-1.2.so.0 will be linked by -lSDL-1.2	13:14
RST38h	symlinking is a hack	13:14
joueur_	RST38h: and do you know , how can i disable serial console? i am looking google, but i can't find anything...	13:14
RST38h	actually, symlinking to libSDL.so is ok	13:14
lardman	unless it's part of the SDL install procedure, I don't know	13:14
RST38h	joueur: I did not even know Maemo had a serial console	13:14
camel_liu	RST38h, symlinking to libSDL.so, how?	13:15
lardman	cd /usr/lib; ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0	13:15
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joueur_	RST38h: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ .... but i don't know how can i that set to disable...	13:17
camel_liu	why this error happen to my program? I tried other programms using libSDL, making them did not launch any error	13:17
lardman	camel_liu: there may be an SDL pkg file which should be used and this one doesn't?	13:18
lardman	perhaps look at the configure.ac files for the ones which compile correctly?	13:18
camel_liu	can I remove libSDL, and then install it again?	13:19
lardman	you can, but it won't make any odds I wouldn't think	13:19
camel_liu	Can this way correct the problem?	13:19
lardman	apparently not, as other code has compiled ok with it installed....	13:19
camel_liu	lardman, I paste a configure.ac which can make correctly, please have a look: http://pastebin.ca/1244742	13:21
camel_liu	I cannot find any differences between it and mine.	13:21
lardman	what do these give you?: sdl-config --cflags and sdl-config --libs	13:22
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camel_liu	I also have these in my configure.ac.	13:24
lardman	what values do they return when you run them on the command line?	13:24
camel_liu	[sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/spot5] > sdl-config --cflags	13:25
camel_liu	-I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT	13:25
camel_liu	[sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/spot5] > sdl-config --libs	13:25
camel_liu	-L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread	13:25
lardman	hmm	13:26
lardman	so it's got the wrong name	13:26
lardman	odd	13:26
lardman	no idea, unless the other code you're talking about doesn't actually link against libSDL itself?	13:26
camel_liu	what correct name should be?	13:26
lardman	well the file has a different name to that the linker wants	13:27
RST38h	http://electoral-vote.com/ Hohohoho!	13:27
lardman	i.e. libSDL-1.2.x.x.x vs -lSDL (aka libSDL.so.x.x.x)	13:27
RST38h	It is a wonder how much the crisis shrunk Dumbfuckistan's boundaries.	13:28
lardman	is that a running count?	13:28
camel_liu	I have libSDL.so, libSDL-1.2.so.0 and libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1. How can I fix this problem?	13:28
lardman	is libSDL.so a symlink that you just created?	13:29
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camel_liu	I do not know how to create a symlink.	13:29
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lardman	camel_liu: I told you a few lines back	13:30
lardman	ln -s	13:30
lardman	anyway, it ought to compile now	13:30
camel_liu	this one? cd /usr/lib; ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0	13:31
camel_liu	Could you kindly tell me what does this mean?	13:31
lardman	yes that one	13:31
lardman	cd changes directory	13:31
lardman	ln -s creates a symlink from the first file to the second	13:32
camel_liu	I know cd	13:32
lardman	did you run that command?	13:32
RST38h	May I suggest getting a reading a beginner's guide to Unix?	13:32
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camel_liu	but I do not have the file: libSDL.so.0	13:33
RST38h	Because explaining what "ln -s" is may be somewhat ridiculous	13:33
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lardman	camel_liu: you appear to have a libSDL.so so the Makefile should now work	13:36
camel_liu	I run ls -s, but make is still error	13:37
lardman	ln -s not ls -s	13:37
camel_liu	yes, ln -s libSDL-1.2.so.0 libSDL.so.0	13:37
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lardman	ok, what's the error now?	13:37
lardman	same one?	13:37
camel_liu	yes, same	13:37
lardman	does the linker link to .so.X or does it require .so alone - anyone else?	13:38
Mek	I think ld only uses .so; the .so.X files are used when running stuff, not when linking	13:39
lardman	ok, thanks	13:39
camel_liu	there's not the second file : libSDL.so.0	13:39
lardman	camel_liu: you need to create another symlink then: ln -s libSDL.so.0 libSDL.so	13:39
camel_liu	[sbox-DIABLO_X86: /usr/lib] > ln -s libSDL.so.0 libSDL.so	13:40
camel_liu	ln: `libSDL.so': File exists	13:40
lardman	odd	13:40
camel_liu	?	13:40
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lardman	apparently someone else (like the deb) created it for you	13:40
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lardman	what does "ls -rtl libSDL.so" give you?	13:41
camel_liu	I manually install SDL_ttf and SDL_net.	13:41
BoldenGoy	hello everybody. i am looking for someone who is familiar with maemo mapper's database backend. can anybody please help me?	13:41
camel_liu	libSDL.so -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1	13:41
lardman	does libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 exist?	13:42
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camel_liu	yes	13:42
lardman	ok, in that case the error must be for a different lib	13:43
lardman	or is it still asking for libSDL.la?	13:43
camel_liu	libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la'	13:43
lardman	I'm out of ideas, sorry	13:44
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camel_liu	Thanks a lot anyway	13:45
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lardman	sorry we didn't achieve anything, perhaps someone else will have an ideas	13:45
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camel_liu	lardman, When delete SDL_ttf and SDL_net from configure.ac and my sources, make can ended without error	14:03
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camel_liu	Could you explain this?	14:04
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camel_liu	lardman?	14:07
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lardman	no, not really :)	14:21
lardman	some wonder of linkers and libraries	14:22
lardman	anyone else have an idea?	14:22
camel_liu	SDL ttf and net have .la files in /usr/lib	14:22
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lardman	and .so files too?	14:24
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camel_liu	yes	14:25
lardman	strange, I wonder if it will work if you remove/rename the .a files	14:27
lardman	and put back the SDL_* stuff you removed from the configure.ac file	14:27
camel_liu	There're libSDL_ttf.la, libSDL_ttf.so, libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 and libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0.6.3	14:28
camel_liu	and libSDL_ttf.a	14:28
camel_liu	rename libSDL_ttf.a?	14:28
lardman	yeah, rename the .la files, tack .old or something on the end	14:29
lardman	and rename the .a file too	14:29
lardman	in fact only one of those should have been installed	14:29
johnx	did you install libsdlttf from source or from a .deb?	14:31
camel_liu	no, I use:fakeroot apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev	14:32
camel_liu	and fakeroot apt-get install libsdl_ttf2.0-0	14:33
camel_liu	Do they collide?	14:33
lardman	doesn't matter, apt-get will sort that out	14:34
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johnx	that seems right.	14:35
camel_liu	Done! make without error!	14:35
lardman	good good	14:36
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camel_liu	just rename .a and .la	14:36
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camel_liu	lardman, could you tell me something under the renaming?	14:36
lardman	sure	14:37
lardman	what do you want to know?	14:37
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camel_liu	just a moment, the program failed to run	14:38
camel_liu	Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)	14:38
camel_liu	Segmentation fault (core dumped)	14:38
lardman	well that's probably nothing to do with the build process	14:39
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camel_liu	lardman, have any other idea?	14:47
lardman	you'll need to look at the source probably and see what's caused it to fail	14:48
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camel_liu	this is not relation to the build process? just regarding source code?	14:50
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lardman	I don't think so, though using a different version of SDL might get rid of the problem if it's an SDL bug	15:07
camel_liu	How can I use a relative font path instead of absolute one like this: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/Vera.ttf in X86 target?	15:07
lardman	no idea from me	15:07
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camel_liu	have a good lunch. It does work. After lunch, please give some knowledge about renaming .a and .la.	15:10
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LoCusF	where is the zImage of the kernel running in N810?	15:24
johnx	where on the tablet or on the internet?	15:24
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LoCusF	tablet	15:26
johnx	it's on a partition of the NAND	15:26
johnx	I don't remember which one though	15:26
johnx	/dev/mtdblockN where N is 1-4	15:26
LoCusF	only 4 is mounted now ..	15:27
LoCusF	I mean mtdblock4	15:27
johnx	well, then that's the rootfs :)	15:27
johnx	initfs is one of the others	15:27
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LoCusF	hmm I think the internet source is better	15:31
johnx	~flashing	15:31
infobot	rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	15:31
johnx	it's part of the downloadable .bin file	15:32
johnx	you can use the linux flasher to separate out the zImage	15:32
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, pong.	15:34
LoCusF	flasher -u?	15:34
GeneralAntilles	~flasher	15:36
infobot	methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher	15:36
GeneralAntilles	LoCusF, flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R	15:37
johnx	LoCusF, yeah, I guess flasher -u looks right	15:37
LoCusF	yep	15:38
LoCusF	it just won't boot in qemu	15:38
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: old wiki is dead and redirects are in place.	15:38
GeneralAntilles	Woo	15:39
GeneralAntilles	Thanks, X-Fade! :)	15:39
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ are both redirecting to http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page	15:42
lopz	hola	15:42
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yes, because you put the lowercase urls in the wiki..	15:42
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Which they weren't ;)	15:43
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GeneralAntilles	Oh	15:43
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: So I had to manually look them up to fix :)	15:43
GeneralAntilles	Ah	15:43
X-Fade	IIRC only the first 3 links were affected?	15:44
GeneralAntilles	Seems to be just the flashing pages.	15:45
X-Fade	Yeah, I think they were imported from mediawiki to midgard ;)	15:45
* GeneralAntilles is groggy and confused.		15:46
aquatix	!coffee GeneralAntilles	15:46
GeneralAntilles	Tea for me, thanks.	15:47
aquatix	ah, works for me :)	15:47
aquatix	!tea GeneralAntilles	15:47
aquatix	;)	15:47
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, OK, do you want to complete http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories ?	15:55
dneary	Hi	15:55
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking of publishing about the proposal for policy change and then close phase 1 of this task.	15:55
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X-Fade	And after that split the rest off to Fremantle categories?	15:56
dneary	GeneralAntilles, X-Fade: Did redirects get done for the pages in http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Kill_the_old_wiki#Category:Midgard_wiki ?	15:56
GeneralAntilles	We'll pick up http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes for the next Sprint	15:56
GeneralAntilles	dneary, click some. :D	15:56
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dneary	Currently they're all going to [[Main Page]]	15:56
dneary	For me, anyway	15:56
X-Fade	dneary: didn't touch those.	15:56
dneary	Similar for http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ and http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/	15:57
GeneralAntilles	Ah, yeah, that list was supposed to get redirects too.	15:57
dneary	Just wondering whether it was a local issue, a bug or some un-added redirects	15:57
X-Fade	dneary: please read scroll back ;)	15:57
dneary	X-Fade: So now I know - not a bug :)	15:58
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, anyway, yeah, the task for the October sprint is done, methinks.	15:58
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GeneralAntilles	dneary, why'd you switch the PAN link to an OS2006 page?	16:03
dneary	I switched it to the generic Bluetooth page	16:03
dneary	Which is where PAN should be	16:04
GeneralAntilles	Then somebody needs to update Bluetooth networking first.	16:04
GeneralAntilles	Because, currently, it's useless to anybody using recent software.	16:04
dneary	Yes, I would agree	16:06
dneary	What does PAN mean?	16:07
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dneary	private area network?	16:07
GeneralAntilles	Yes, I know, it's a blind acronym to users	16:07
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GeneralAntilles	Personal Area Network	16:07
GeneralAntilles	It's adhoc with Bluetooth, more or less.	16:07
GeneralAntilles	I'd rather turn the Bluetooth networking page into an index page that points to Bluetooth DUN or PAN	16:08
GeneralAntilles	Since having it all on one page is a bit overwhelming.	16:08
dneary	DUN or PAN don't mean anything to most people	16:08
dneary	Networking does	16:09
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth networking can be used for x, y, and z. There are several methods for networking.	16:09
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth DUN can is a and can be used for x and y	16:09
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth PAN is b and can be used for z	16:10
GeneralAntilles	With links to the main articles.	16:10
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: added some polish to the page, - thanks for the work done so far	16:11
GeneralAntilles	Sure thing	16:11
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mgedmin	complaint: modest won't let me change my IMAP server hostname	16:11
mgedmin	like, WTF?	16:12
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: think i'll comb through it tonight and then shake the beehive a bit about it	16:13
GeneralAntilles	I'm gonna make a second run-through	16:13
GeneralAntilles	I'm not really satisfied with the boot-process description.	16:13
Stskeeps	k	16:14
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johnx	mgedmin, wow....I must admit I didn't even believe you until I checked it myself	16:14
* Stskeeps switched to claws		16:15
johnx	really? what pushed you over?	16:16
Stskeeps	modest locking up, not retrieving mails, etc	16:17
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johnx	ah, right. I guess I do remember you talking about that.	16:18
dneary	GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to refactor this article, but to be honest, I find it very confusing	16:20
GeneralAntilles	dneary, that's why I just skipped it and went with the individual articles.	16:20
dneary	Individual articles that don't have titles which are relevant to most people	16:21
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth networking is . . . DUN is . . . (link to Bluetooth DUN) PAN is . . . (link to PAN)	16:21
* mgedmin is surprised not to find a bug about it		16:21
GeneralAntilles	That's why you turn the Bluetooth networking page into a page like Bluetooth	16:21
* mgedmin thinks the sourceforge-inspired user interface at garage.maemo.org sucks big time		16:21
GeneralAntilles	Then they land there, figure out what they actually need and go to it.	16:22
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, why are you using Garage?	16:22
GeneralAntilles	Not for Modest, I hope.	16:22
* mgedmin blinks		16:22
GeneralAntilles	As its bugs are tracked in Bugzilla.	16:22
mgedmin	NOOOOOOOOOO	16:22
mgedmin	headdesk	16:22
mgedmin	so I go to modest.garage.maemo.org, which is the project page, right?	16:22
mgedmin	I search for a 'bug tracker' under development	16:22
mgedmin	all I find is a 'garage project page'	16:23
GeneralAntilles	Ah, well.	16:23
mgedmin	I go there, I find a working bug tracker	16:23
mgedmin	I submit a bug	16:23
GeneralAntilles	Bug sergio about that.	16:23
mgedmin	which of the steps should've pointed me to bugzilla?	16:23
mgedmin	hm	16:23
GeneralAntilles	Well, it's bundled software	16:23
GeneralAntilles	and bundled software is either 3rd-party or tracked in Bugzilla.	16:23
mgedmin	maybe I should've though "I want to submit a bug about OS2008" instead of "I want to submit a bug about Modest"	16:24
mgedmin	a little knowledge is a dangerous thing :/	16:24
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* GeneralAntilles starts working on the package categories PSA.		16:39
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: PSA?	16:43
GeneralAntilles	Hehe, apparently that "report abuse" button doesn't lead to a form.	16:43
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, ignore the abuse I reported on myself if you see it. :P	16:43
GeneralAntilles	Public Service Announcement	16:43
GeneralAntilles	Tell everybody about the new categories and about how the transition will work.	16:44
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Ah, I was typing up something too. Let's spam them ;)	16:44
X-Fade	Btw, check your karma.	16:44
tekojo	Hi	16:44
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	16:44
X-Fade	hi tekojo.	16:45
Khertan	lol	16:45
Khertan	hi !	16:45
* GeneralAntilles claims the title "Package categories and you"		16:45
tekojo	As there seems to be a lot of people around, I'd like to share some details on the weekend break	16:45
tekojo	Just talked to the ISP	16:45
tekojo	And the servers should be up all night (EEST), so the US people should expect a fairly normal weekend	16:46
tekojo	Europe can take a weekend off	16:46
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tekojo	I'll and comments to the announcement	16:47
X-Fade	tekojo: Will you be able to make the meeting? Or at least a part of it?	16:48
X-Fade	It will probably be from 22:00 until 00:00 EEST.	16:48
tekojo	X-Fade: Sorry no, iaido training always Saturday 18-20 UTC	16:48
tekojo	And I can't join in the car :-)	16:49
GeneralAntilles	Saturday?	16:49
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tekojo	Might make it around 22:45 EEST	16:49
X-Fade	Meeting is today ;)	16:49
tekojo	GA: what's saturday?	16:49
GeneralAntilles	Iaido training, apparently.	16:49
tekojo	Yes, Saturday too, but that's earlier and I rarely make it on Saturday (family)	16:50
GeneralAntilles	So, s/Saturday/Tuesday/ ?	16:50
tekojo	But anyway, I'll try to make it around 20:45 UTC to the meeting	16:51
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X-Fade	tekojo: Ok, great.	16:52
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tekojo	GA: how did you guess the Saturday?	16:52
GeneralAntilles	[9:48am] <tekojo> X-Fade: Sorry no, iaido training always Saturday 18-20 UTC	16:52
X-Fade	Mind reading :)	16:52
GeneralAntilles	Alternative answer: I've installed a GPS tracker in the back of your skull. :P	16:53
tekojo	Oops :-D	16:53
tekojo	Or you know the dojo site address :-)	16:53
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, I guess it would be better to stagger the posting of these announcements so we stay on the front page of Planet for as long as possible.	16:54
X-Fade	tekojo: Probably one of those? http://www.iaido.fi/Iaido/clubs.html :)	16:55
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Sure. If you talk about the categories and AM then I will talk about changing the policy.	16:55
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tekojo	X-Fade: no, for weird reasons relating to the Japanese loving federations, I practise under the finnish kendo federation	16:56
X-Fade	tekojo: Ah, well it was just a google guess for me ;)	16:56
X-Fade	tekojo: Other guess dojo from Jose Martinez?	16:57
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tekojo	X-Fade: but we do talk to the iaido federation people (and they do good iaido too)	16:57
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tekojo	X-Fade: getting closer :-) But I don't think Jose can be considered to be associated to only one dojo, he's the highest ranking iaidoka in Finland	16:58
mimshita	hello! I have a question on compiling gstreamer for arm target...the config file returns a strange error, can anyone help me?	16:58
X-Fade	tekojo: Pretty funny what google can do in terms of social engineering ;)	16:59
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tekojo	X-Fade: yep, it's a funny tool	17:00
tekojo	But I need to cycle home. Bye!	17:00
X-Fade	tekojo: You were in Poule 1 of the European championships? :)	17:00
tekojo	X-Fade: Yes, and l lost my second round match due to a stupid technical mistake, would have otherwise been fourth	17:01
X-Fade	tekojo: Nice!	17:01
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tekojo	X-Fade: well, it's a marginal art :-)	17:02
tekojo	But now I really need to go, bye!	17:02
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X-Fade	Fins and marshall arts :)	17:03
X-Fade	http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/2998952960/	17:03
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	17:03
GeneralAntilles	So you're saying we shouldn't pick a fight with them at the next Summit? ;)	17:03
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X-Fade	Probably not ;)	17:03
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mimshita	is anyone able to give me some pointers?:D	17:05
lardman	mimshita: pastebin the error and we'll see	17:05
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mimshita	./configure	17:08
mimshita	checking nano version... 0 (release)	17:08
mimshita	checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu	17:08
mimshita	checking host system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu	17:08
mimshita	checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c	17:08
mimshita	checking whether build environment is sane... yes	17:08
mimshita	checking for gawk... gawk	17:08
mimshita	checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes	17:08
mimshita	checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no	17:08
mimshita	checking for style of include used by make... GNU	17:08
mimshita	checking for gcc... gcc	17:09
mimshita	checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out	17:09
mgedmin	!paste	17:09
mimshita	checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.	17:09
mimshita	If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.	17:09
mgedmin	~paste	17:09
mimshita	See `config.log' for more details.	17:09
infobot	from memory, paste is http://rafb.net/paste/, or see also pb	17:09
lardman	or	17:10
lardman	~pastebin	17:10
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste	17:10
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mimshita	http://rafb.net/p/wCO3aP99.html	17:11
mimshita	sorry guys, didn't know, it has been a long time since I use IRC:S	17:11
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lardman	probably just a configure script error/assumption	17:13
RST38h	ehlo all	17:14
lardman	look at the test which is performed to see if the conpiler works	17:14
lardman	hi RST38h	17:14
RST38h	moo, lardman	17:14
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lardman	mimshita: what CFLAGS are you trying to use btw?	17:15
mimshita	lardman:not using any flags:P	17:16
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mimshita	lardman: but I should use these: '--prefix=/usr --disable-gst-debug --disable-static' the catch is i do not know where to sick them	17:17
lardman	ok, just that if you try to use the arm1136 mcpu flags, qemu can't run the resulting code	17:17
lardman	ah	17:17
lardman	well do something like this:	17:17
lardman	CFLAGS="your flags here" ./configure	17:18
lardman	actually	17:18
lardman	no they are configure flags	17:18
lardman	pass them after configure	17:18
mimshita	ok, I'll try that	17:18
* lardman is half asleep		17:18
lcuk2	nothin new there :P	17:18
lardman	yeah, bacon sarnie would sort it out ;)	17:19
lcuk2	yeah, i was tempted today to ask for bacon topping at pizzahut	17:19
lardman	lol	17:20
mimshita	landman	17:20
lardman	how was Bond, am going this evening	17:20
lardman	lcuk2: +?	17:20
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mimshita	lardman: still not working but it gives a different error now http://rafb.net/p/pm1YOR23.html	17:20
lcuk2	lardman, bond was amazing	17:21
lcuk2	but make sure you get there early so you get decent seats	17:21
lcuk2	if you are too close you will get neck ache	17:21
lardman	we've booked	17:21
lcuk2	i booked as well, but not specific seats or vip box or anything	17:21
lardman	mimshita: again, see what the test is in configure	17:21
lardman	mimshita: presuming that the toolchain does actually work for a basic hello world?	17:22
lcuk2	we were near the front, its a movie where they use the full scene	17:22
lcuk2	very expansive - we were so close it was more like imax	17:22
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/community/council/view/1225812124/	17:22
lardman	lcuk2: ah ok, our cinema does specific seats so that should be ok; hopefully quieter too now it's in the week	17:22
lcuk2	yeah should be - i think they had it on about 10 screens at weekend	17:22
lcuk2	i couldnt wait to see it though	17:23
lardman	GeneralAntilles: cool	17:23
GeneralAntilles	You guys book specific seats over there?	17:23
GeneralAntilles	Bizarre	17:23
lardman	lcuk2: I watched the first one yesterday as the next is supposed to follow on	17:23
lardman	GeneralAntilles: depends on the cinema	17:23
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Sure we do, just like an airplane ;)	17:23
lardman	GeneralAntilles: but yes nowadays	17:23
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lcuk2	GeneralAntilles, i couldv booked a VIP box - they have perfect view, big comfy chairs isle service and away from the riff raff	17:23
GeneralAntilles	http://www.vat19.com/blog/movie%20theater%20stadium%20seating%20loner.jpg <- open seating	17:24
lardman	X-Fade: you obviously go higher class than I do (Easy-scrummage-for-a-seat-jet)	17:24
lardman	X-Fade: no beer in the cinemas over here though :(	17:24
lcuk2	lardman! yuou get seats , i have to STAND on the wing	17:24
lcuk2	lardman, im surei n the vip boxes you can	17:24
X-Fade	lardman: everything other than easjet and ryan air then... ;)	17:24
lcuk2	bbl	17:25
notcoolbuthot	hi, does someone know why a gui application looks according to the maemo theme when launched from the eclipse, but gives an osso_initialize() failed when launched from the console in scratchbox	17:28
notcoolbuthot	?	17:28
notcoolbuthot	it still works from the console but with a ugly default theme, not the maemo one	17:28
lcuk2	lardman: What are Delux screenings?	17:28
lcuk2	Prices includes comfy chairs (lots of leg room, arm rests lift up, reclining seats) and bar service (normal age restrictions apply). Reserved seating. This is only available at selected Cineworld Cinemas	17:28
lcuk2	cya later	17:28
lardman	lcuk2: not at my local (don't have to drive to it) one unfortunately	17:29
mimshita	lardman: http://rafb.net/p/ohGXsu57.html	17:29
mimshita	lardman: config.log result	17:29
lardman	lines 3 and 4 are your answer	17:30
lardman	you didn't pass them in CFLAGS did you?	17:30
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mimshita	lardman: no i didn't the flags i passed where: '--prefix=/usr --disable-gst-debug --disable-static'	17:37
mimshita	I followed this howto http://www.linuxrising.org/gstreamer-maemo-howto.html	17:37
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mimshita	lardman: I compiled the hello.c and hello.cc from the packages/ dir, and they compiled well	17:38
lardman	cool	17:39
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lardman	let me have a quick look at that doc	17:39
mimshita	lardman: the problem comes when i tryed to run them, it returned an error: "mmap: Permission denied"	17:39
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qwerty12	mimshita, using intrepid ibex by any chance?	17:40
lardman	so what are you building atm? liboil?	17:40
lardman	the --disable-gst-debug --disable-static is only for the gstreamer packages	17:40
mimshita	liboil	17:40
mimshita	qwerty12: yup... a bad choice I presume...	17:41
lardman	mimshita: remove the gstreamer related bits for that build	17:42
lardman	e.g. "./configure --prefix=/usr" is enough for liboil	17:42
qwerty12	mimshita, reduced the mmap value? Heh, add "vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096" to /etc/sysctl.conf (outside scratchbox) and run "sudo sysctl -p" (outside scratchbox)	17:43
mimshita	lardman and qwerty12: ok, thanks!	17:43
qwerty12	I have to keep running sudo sysctl -p everytime I reboot so it reads that setting. In hardy, sysctl.conf was read automatically at boot :(	17:44
mimshita	dam...I gess the whole problem has to do with mmap...	17:46
lardman	no	17:46
mimshita	on config.log configure:3186: ./a.out mmap: Permission denied	17:46
lardman	your last error was to do with passing unsuitable args to configure	17:46
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lardman	yeah, that's another error ;)	17:46
mimshita	yes:)	17:46
mimshita	i'm gonna change sysctl.conf now	17:47
mimshita	qwerty12: the sysctl you are refering to is the Intrepid on, rigtht?	17:48
qwerty12	mimshita, yeah	17:48
qwerty12	You have to do the same thing for hardy too :/	17:49
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mimshita	aleluia!:D	17:50
qwerty12	Yeah, I keep forgetting to run sysctl until configure spits that message that I can't run compiled programs :P	17:50
mimshita	lol, thanks a lot guys! it has been a hell of a week just to make a streamer for N800:P	17:51
lardman	you should be able to apt-get the binary you know?	17:52
mimshita	i found info about it on the web, but never clear enought to point: "Oh, this is the problem!"	17:52
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mimshita	i should...but for some reason I can't	17:54
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mimshita	probably because i don't have the correct repository in sources.list	17:54
GeneralAntilles	http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+nano	17:54
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X-Fade	http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/11/packaging-policy-change-proposal.html	17:59
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GeneralAntilles	Hrm, there's no link to a list of Thanks in karma.	18:02
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/post_thanks.php?do=findthanks&u=$USER_ID will work	18:02
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: No, because we don't have a search url?	18:02
X-Fade	Hmm ok, let me try to add that link..	18:02
* qwerty12 loves ITT thanks integration grin		18:03
lardman	oo, my discussion karma has suddenly jumped from 8 to 34 ;)	18:04
* GeneralAntilles wishes there were a link to the user list page on some of the karma pages.		18:06
GeneralAntilles	Maybe change the breadcrumb from maemo.org > Profile to maemo.org > Profile > $USER_NAME with Profile linking to the list.	18:07
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X-Fade	Thanks link added.	18:12
X-Fade	Now is it ITT? or itT or...	18:12
GeneralAntilles	Reggie says "itT"	18:12
GeneralAntilles	Quim says "ITt"	18:12
X-Fade	ok.	18:12
GeneralAntilles	I'd go with Reggie's, personally.	18:12
GeneralAntilles	Nokia prefers capitalizing Internet Tablet, I guess.	18:12
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X-Fade	Links changed, now I need to find out where the headers are specified ;)	18:14
Khertan	Ouch ...	18:15
Khertan	after 6 months of no move	18:15
Khertan	i'm now under murray in karma list	18:15
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Khertan	huhu	18:15
X-Fade	Khertan: Blog more ;)	18:15
Khertan	héhé	18:16
Khertan	yep	18:16
Khertan	but if i blog i ll get less karma	18:16
Khertan	with burries ... for my poor english ;)	18:16
GeneralAntilles	Psh	18:16
Khertan	now ... i ll make some other stupid widget home applet ... :)	18:16
Khertan	:)	18:16
GeneralAntilles	The group-think only buries off-topic or idiotic crap. :P	18:16
Khertan	HomeDoNothing	18:16
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, spam applications to Extras.	18:17
GeneralAntilles	That's a sure-fire way to karma whore.	18:17
Khertan	yep	18:17
Khertan	i see that	18:17
GeneralAntilles	Khertan's new line of Hildon widget home applets.	18:17
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GeneralAntilles	HomeRadioButton	18:17
GeneralAntilles	HomeCheckBox	18:17
GeneralAntilles	HomeOK	18:17
GeneralAntilles	HomeCancel	18:17
Khertan	HomeDontClick	18:17
GeneralAntilles	HomeBigRedButton	18:17
GeneralAntilles	That could actually be kinda fun. :P	18:17
Khertan	hum ... it s depends	18:18
Khertan	can i have my own section for apps manager ?	18:18
Khertan	:)	18:18
GeneralAntilles	user/desktop	18:18
Khertan	user/khertan	18:18
\|rt\|	needs a HomeFinalAnswer button	18:18
Khertan	?	18:18
X-Fade	There you go ;)	18:18
GeneralAntilles	user/Khertan is so much cooler than you fools	18:18
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Khertan	HomeFinalAnswer ... what it should do.	18:18
Khertan	?	18:19
\|rt\|	it's like yes to all when you go to delete something	18:19
GeneralAntilles	Need a War Games button.	18:19
X-Fade	Hmm I almost drop of the first page. Need to blog more ;)	18:19
Khertan	X-fade ... you could also change calc method :) will be faster :)	18:19
X-Fade	It seems I don't do enough Karm Whoring..	18:20
GeneralAntilles	Khertan, do a promotional campaign with Staples and make some money. ;)	18:20
GeneralAntilles	HomeEasyButton®	18:20
Khertan	Staples ?	18:20
X-Fade	if ($user=='xfade') karma += 10k ;)	18:20
GeneralAntilles	http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/easybutton/index.html	18:20
GeneralAntilles	∞	18:21
\|rt\|	hehe i have one of those buttons...they used to sell them at the store...it says that was easy when you press it....doesn't work like it does in the commercials unfortnatly	18:21
GeneralAntilles	The tasks are looking a lot better this Sprint.	18:21
Khertan	GeneralAntilles: i don't understand what is the purpose of this things	18:21
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\|rt\|	Khertan: it was just a marketing gimick	18:22
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: color="LightGreen" + DONE :)	18:22
Khertan	from what i understand it s hardware shortcut ...	18:22
Khertan	huhu stupid marketing	18:23
GeneralAntilles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPF-XMyN7g	18:23
Khertan	Itt thanks 80	18:23
Khertan	hu ?	18:23
Khertan	this is really 80 itt thanks ?	18:23
GeneralAntilles	sqrt(thanks) * 8	18:23
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Khertan	sqrt ?	18:24
Khertan	strange	18:24
qwerty12	square root	18:24
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, I'd say reducing external repositories is probably done for this sprint.	18:24
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I think it is a long-term task.	18:24
Khertan	qwerty12: i understand sqrt ... it s trivial for a dev :)	18:25
\|rt\|	this commercial with the easy button was better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NojiCsZQSr8	18:25
Khertan	what i found strange is the calc :)	18:25
qwerty12	Khertan, ah, sorry :)	18:25
GeneralAntilles	The ball's not really in your court anymore, anyway.	18:25
X-Fade	Khertan: That is to limit mega karma whoring ;)	18:25
GeneralAntilles	The GeneralAntilles Solution ;)	18:25
X-Fade	But still gives a little bit of growth if you get more and more thanks..	18:25
Khertan	X-Fade: i don't make critics ...	18:25
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Khertan	just never think about how to calc something like that with limitations ...	18:26
Khertan	so ... this mean i ve got around 100 Thanks ... on itt	18:27
Khertan	ouch ...	18:27
RST38h	Why sqrt and not log? =)	18:27
Khertan	:)	18:27
Khertan	this is high	18:27
Khertan	i mean for me :)	18:27
RST38h	btw, gentlemen, does it mean that itt karma calc is finally enabled?	18:28
* GeneralAntilles only gets 300 with 1400 Thanks! :(		18:28
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, yes.	18:28
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: _only_ :)	18:28
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/profile/view/generalantilles/	18:28
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Khertan	Itt thanks 301	18:29
Khertan	nice	18:29
RST38h	ohshitmykarmawentup	18:29
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RST38h	I do not see itt karma though	18:29
* qwerty12 doesn't mind getting 248 karma for 969 thanks. I need the boost, whatever it is :P		18:29
RST38h	no, itt karma is there but now I do not see bug reports karma	18:29
johnx	haha...they removed both from my profile :)	18:30
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, have you reported any?	18:30
johnx	I guess they don't like the way I vote on bugs :D	18:30
Khertan	be back in 5 min ... in the train	18:30
GeneralAntilles	Yes.	18:30
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GeneralAntilles	Right, email differences, maybe?	18:30
RST38h	General: joking? =)	18:30
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, brain fart.	18:30
X-Fade	I did a recount for itt karma, but not everything is done yet.	18:30
RST38h	general: it was there before	18:30
X-Fade	So it can be that your bugs karma isn't updated.	18:30
GeneralAntilles	Ah	18:30
RST38h	X-Fade: Can I suggest listing karma components to the right of the total valus in profile/list ?	18:30
X-Fade	And a recalc wiped old info.	18:30
X-Fade	I had to get some fast results, so I could show it in the meeting ;)	18:31
X-Fade	The rest will update over the coming day orso.	18:31
X-Fade	RST38h: They are there?	18:32
RST38h	X-Fade: no, just the total is there	18:32
X-Fade	RST38h: You can sort on it?	18:32
RST38h	yes, it looks like I can sort on it	18:33
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Khertan_n810	so category is finalized for package section ?	18:37
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_n810, yes.	18:37
Khertan_n810	or it s still a draft ?	18:37
Khertan_n810	great	18:37
X-Fade	Khertan_n810: Yes, but it not official until packaging policy has changed.	18:37
GeneralAntilles	Gotta wait for the Application Manager to be updated before you start changing categories, though.	18:37
Khertan_n810	yep of course	18:38
X-Fade	Although it really does't hurt to change now ;)	18:38
X-Fade	Because it is already a mess.	18:38
Khertan_n810	but i think of activated the thing that let you use only official section in py2deb	18:38
Khertan_n810	prepare it for the next release	18:39
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Khertan_n810	rahhhhh sorry for the topic change	18:43
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Khertan_n810	n810 in the pocket	18:43
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Khertan_n810	someone have an idea to help me to find why my app didn t launch from maemo application menu ?	18:44
Khertan_n810	i have revised 8 time desktop nd service file	18:45
Khertan_n810	a debug mode	18:46
Khertan_n810	or something like that ?	18:46
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qwerty12	Khertan_n810, Are you "registering" your app? I ripped this from sonata, this (afaik) is the python equivalent of osso_initialise: http://pastebin.com/m3c1426e6	18:48
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Khertan_n810	not like that	18:50
Khertan_n810	but it works for my other apps	18:50
* GeneralAntilles wonders whether mvo has started on the appropriate changes or whether we should put Patch Master yerga on the job. :D		18:50
X-Fade	I think we need a community 'gateway' delegate.	18:52
GeneralAntilles	Gateway?	18:52
X-Fade	With commit access.	18:52
GeneralAntilles	For h-a-m?	18:52
X-Fade	yes.	18:52
GeneralAntilles	Ah, right.	18:52
X-Fade	So there is not 20 people bombarding mvo ;)	18:53
X-Fade	Although we could create a 'go-crazy' branch for that ;)	18:53
* GeneralAntilles fires another volley.		18:54
Khertan_n810	mvo ?	18:55
Khertan_n810	qwerty12: i ll try	18:55
Khertan_n810	qwerty12: but it s work for my other app simply by setting osso.context	18:55
qwerty12	:)	18:55
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RST38h	moo qwerty	19:01
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qwerty12	arf RST38h	19:01
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Stskeeps	wtf at some people.. i'm stand-in for the network admin on this dorm and because their switch was down and is a bit flakey, some guy talks about moving cos "it's too expensive" (they have flatrate 4/1mbit, no quotas, no traffic shaping, for less than 20$ a month)	19:03
Stskeeps	shrugs :P	19:03
GeneralAntilles	Stab him in the eye.	19:04
LinuxCode	flakey is the word	19:04
LinuxCode	nobody likes flakey	19:04
GeneralAntilles	No, the word is love.	19:04
LinuxCode	hehe	19:05
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LinuxCode	btw hi guys ;-} and gals	19:05
Stskeeps	yeah, but, flakey in the sense someone comes and bangs the switch on the side when it breaks down completely, without charging them $$ for service :P	19:05
RST38h	Sts: Tell him that when I was a kid, we had to dial in with 2400bd modems and wait for 15 minutes until a line becomes free	19:06
Stskeeps	i told him when i moved to the dorm and blaster was raging, the net was -useless-	19:06
Stskeeps	:P	19:06
RST38h	Sts: And the university dropped connection every three hours just to keep people from abusing it	19:06
Stskeeps	and what they have now is luxury problems	19:06
LinuxCode	tell him about £120 monthly phonebills	19:06
LinuxCode	lol	19:06
LinuxCode	I used to ring up	19:07
johnx	oh how the times change :)	19:07
Stskeeps	mm, good old dialup	19:07
GeneralAntilles	dialup days were the worst	19:07
LinuxCode	yeh	19:07
Khertan_n810	qwerty12: doesn t help :(	19:07
johnx	really though, inet access at all used to be a "luxury" but now people rely on it	19:07
RST38h	Sts: Also tell him that ayatollas will switch the internet off and make him wear a burkha, eventually	19:07
dneary	GeneralAntilles: I disagree that Bluetooth PAN does exactly what it says on the tin	19:07
derf	No, the days before there _was_ dialup were the worst.	19:07
RST38h	johnx: I relied on it from the very beginning, never was luxury	19:07
dneary	PAN = Private Area Network	19:08
johnx	RST38h, well, us here are on the bleeding edge for the most part. heh...I'm even getting cut a little bit by it :\|	19:08
GeneralAntilles	dneary, on the tin?	19:08
RST38h	johnx: infamous japanese phone UIs? =)	19:09
dneary	GeneralAntilles: UK ad reference	19:10
johnx	RST38h, pandora actually. the phone UIs aren't that bad	19:10
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dneary	Look up "does exactly what it says on the tin" in googol	19:10
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network	19:10
dneary	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Does_exactly_what_it_says_on_the_tin	19:10
johnx	RST38h, re phones: I'd rather have a crappy UI for AGPS that works, than a slick UI on a phone with no AGPS	19:11
dneary	I don't think we should be using technical acronyms in wiki page names	19:11
dneary	I think that that page should be called "Bluetooth networking"	19:11
GeneralAntilles	Then change it to Bluetooth_Personal_Area_Network	19:11
RST38h	johnx: well, pandora is not out yet =)	19:11
GeneralAntilles	dneary, problem is, then the page is giant covering DUN and PAN.	19:12
dneary	Although if we're being accurate it'd be "Bluetooth networking on Diablo"	19:12
johnx	RST38h, and it might not be out until January thanks to delays from their LCD provider	19:12
Stskeeps	johnx: if the maemo reconstructed proposal falls to the ground, wouldn't it be a good roadmap for deblet? (i prefer it being maemo really, less work and more people interested.. :P)	19:13
dneary	I think you can break out DUN under a link "Configuring dial-up networking over Bluetooth" that points to "Bluetooth dial-up networking"	19:13
GeneralAntilles	I would prefer not to put versions in titles.	19:13
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dneary	But job #1 is fix the Bluetooth networking page if it's broken, not create other pages	19:13
dneary	I absolutely agree about not putting version names in page names	19:14
johnx	Stskeeps, seems quite reasonable	19:14
GeneralAntilles	dneary, fix it if you want to.	19:14
dneary	But right now, "Bluetooth PAN" doesn't do what it says on the tin because it's Diablo specific	19:14
GeneralAntilles	I'm washing my hands of it.	19:14
dneary	To be better, the page should include instructions for doing PAN on older releases	19:14
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dneary	GeneralAntilles: That sounds menacing...	19:15
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dneary	My goal is not to piss you off here.	19:15
GeneralAntilles	DUMMY connections weren't broken in Chinook.	19:15
GeneralAntilles	I'm not pissed off, I just don't care.	19:15
GeneralAntilles	I don't have a strong enough opinion either way to fix it myself	19:16
GeneralAntilles	so if somebody else wants to fix it, then I wont tell them how to paint the barn. ;)	19:16
LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, hehe	19:16
GeneralAntilles	As long as the information is accurate and up-to-date.	19:16
GeneralAntilles	dneary, what I mean to say is: I'm arguing over it for absolutely no reason. I actually don't care. Do whatever you think is right. ;)	19:20
* Khertan_n810 is going crazy !!!!!!!!!!		19:20
* GeneralAntilles gives Khertan_n810 some downers.		19:20
Khertan_n810	2 hours to code a soft	19:20
Khertan_n810	two day to try to understand why it doesn t launch from the menu	19:21
Stskeeps	Khertan_n810: i've wasted several days on gtk compilation. that was fun :P	19:21
Stskeeps	you learn by those experiences though	19:21
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Khertan_n810	no ... i only change name from the current working file for pygtkeditor,mcalendar and my other app	19:22
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Khertan_n810	but it doesn t work	19:23
Khertan_n810	i ll learn something if i could have log oor debug trace	19:23
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* GeneralAntilles pokes at Maemo Reconstructed again.		19:23
Khertan_n810	when u understand why it doesn t work you can learn something	19:24
Khertan_n810	Reconstructed Again ?	19:24
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed	19:24
Stskeeps	that's the name for when the reconstruction fails, nokia goes bankrupt and we're stuck with our n8x0s ;)	19:24
Stskeeps	(reconstructed again)	19:24
Stskeeps	.. I have horrible jokes	19:25
Khertan_n810	yep	19:25
Khertan_n810	and i have horrible connection	19:26
Khertan_n810	page still loading	19:26
Stskeeps	oh, that's not always your connection's fault	19:26
Stskeeps	:P	19:26
* Khertan_n810 think of rewriting the maemo menu itself		19:27
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Khertan_n810	RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!	19:30
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_n810 is turning into the Incredible Hulk.	19:30
Stskeeps	who wouldn't after developing for a while for maemo? :P	19:30
qwerty12	Khertan_n810, when you do that, could you implement lockable desktop applets too? :P	19:30
GeneralAntilles	Fremantle	19:30
* Khertan_n810 will throw is tablet from the train window		19:30
Khertan_n810	s/is/his	19:30
qwerty12	Fuck Fremantle, it would be nice to have it now	19:31
johnx	also, I want a pony	19:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: i would love that feature too :P	19:31
derf	TWO ponies.	19:31
Khertan_n810	i just want to make my app laucnhable by the menu !	19:31
qwerty12	Meh, wanting lockable desktop applets is hardly asking for the world	19:31
dneary	GeneralAntilles: Suggestions on my "Using PAN on older devices" paragraph, please?	19:32
dneary	It is possible to use PAN to share internet connections via PAN between two Nokia devices. However, on older devices it is recommended to use dial-up networking, since this is the normal menthod which smartphones use to share internet access over bluetooth.	19:32
GeneralAntilles	dial-up networking involves phone lines	19:33
johnx	Khertan_n810, I'm not all that familiar with the menu, but I remember people having problems that have to do with names of things not matching in different places	19:33
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth DUN (dial-up networking)	19:33
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Khertan_n810	johnx : name is ok i review it 20 time	19:33
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GeneralAntilles	However, on most cellphones, only Bluetooth DUN (Dial-Up Networking) is supported for tethering.	19:34
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, can you section-title-ize this: Scripts to ease deployment and debugging built applications inside Scratchbox+rootstrap to emulated and actual devices. ?	19:35
dneary	GeneralAntilles: It looks to me like the whole article is how to do this on the master device (the one sharing internet) not the tablet	19:35
dneary	"activate dund in /etc/default/bluez-utils on Debian"???	19:36
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GeneralAntilles	I don't think we need to cover PAN setup on other devices.	19:36
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GeneralAntilles	s/PAN/networking/	19:36
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: I don't think we need to cover networking setup on other devices.	19:36
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: Deployment and debugging support scripts maybe	19:37
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, for example: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#SDK_.28developer_kit_for_the_platform.29	19:37
Stskeeps	ah	19:37
Stskeeps	so section instead of bold	19:38
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GeneralAntilles	Makes it a little easier to read.	19:38
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Stskeeps	i'm not sure what i should do ;) making it more of a section title?	19:39
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	19:39
Stskeeps	k	19:39
Stskeeps	editing'	19:40
GeneralAntilles	Looks OK to me as it is right now.	19:40
GeneralAntilles	I did two edits.	19:40
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Stskeeps	ah	19:40
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Stskeeps	going to comb it a bit through and then post on maemo-developers then.	19:41
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Khertan_n810	re	19:42
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GeneralAntilles	Hopefully qgil's gonna get back to me with his meeting outline.	19:42
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Stskeeps	sprint tonight or?	19:44
Stskeeps	+meeting	19:44
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Sprint today.	19:45
GeneralAntilles	2:15	19:45
GeneralAntilles	hours	19:45
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Stskeeps	k	19:45
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disco_stu	hi	19:46
andre__	Hmm. So am I expected to add the one new task I plan for November to add to https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/November_08 already?	19:46
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disco_stu	anyone knows how to unminimize apps like Links2 ?	19:46
* andre__ is always confused by the amount of wiki pages we have		19:46
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disco_stu	NaN ?	19:48
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johnx	disco_stu, hmm, there was an desktop applet that let you do that	19:50
disco_stu	some CLI command ?	19:50
qwerty12	disco_stu, try kotczarny's kciconsbox: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18542	19:50
johnx	qwerty12, nice catch :)	19:51
disco_stu	thanks :)	19:51
Khertan_n810	hum now i get freeze in gtk.main()	19:51
johnx	disco_stu, if you want to do it from the command line wmctrl should do the trick	19:51
Khertan_n810	what could do that ?	19:51
disco_stu	is it bundled ?	19:51
disco_stu	or a third party deb ?	19:52
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GeneralAntilles	andre__, stick it on the proposals page, I guess.	19:58
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GeneralAntilles	The Sprint instruction page needs to be written.	19:58
andre__	gnarf :)	19:58
andre__	i'll just a file a bug against myself.	19:58
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals	19:58
GeneralAntilles	I guess I should flesh out the index page: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints	19:59
GeneralAntilles	Quim seems to be the only one who really knows how everything is supposed to work.	19:59
andre__	same impression here ;-)	19:59
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GeneralAntilles	I guess there's kinda this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Sprint_progress	20:00
Khertan_n810	arg ! i ve found !	20:00
GeneralAntilles	and: https://wiki.maemo.org/Pushing_a_maemo.org_task	20:00
Khertan_n810	stupid things !	20:00
Khertan_n810	a corrupted png file	20:00
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: I think I'm going to miss tonight's meeting - either I will still be working, or I'll be travelling from work home	20:02
GeneralAntilles	Soo, just me and etrunko, then? :P	20:03
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: http://rafb.net/p/SScdHh91.html , anything that needs an injection of executive speak?	20:04
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GeneralAntilles	Looks fine.	20:04
Stskeeps	alright	20:05
etrunko	GeneralAntilles: I'm attending	20:05
etrunko	(at last)	20:05
etrunko	:P	20:05
GeneralAntilles	(Apparently) I'm running this one. ;)	20:05
etrunko	GeneralAntilles: I know a bit about scrum... Don't know how the process is being adapted to our reality though	20:06
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GeneralAntilles	Hehe, yeah, I figured you would. :D I was considering shoving it off on you, but you haven't had the opportunity to pick up the specifics of the maemo.org sprints.	20:08
etrunko	yup	20:09
GeneralAntilles	Not that anybody but Quim is really all that clear on them anyway.	20:09
etrunko	I can try for the next one	20:09
GeneralAntilles	andre__, think I should commit this for this Sprint? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_the_maemo.org_Sprint_procedure	20:10
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Stskeeps	posted.. and now where is my pizza.	20:22
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: should i cross-post on iTT "Developers" too or will that just attract unwanted cesspool? :P	20:23
Jaffa	I don't think there are any good low-level devs on ITT but not on -developers	20:24
Stskeeps	true	20:24
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: One input I'd give to the meeting: we, as a council, haven't done anything with the voting process etc. yet.	20:24
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, do you want to pick up a task for this Sprint?	20:26
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andre__	GeneralAntilles, 3844 and 3845 are really high prio? just asking, if you think so, you're probably right :)	20:29
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GeneralAntilles	andre__, well, they're blockers for implementing the new package categories.	20:29
andre__	ah, ok	20:30
GeneralAntilles	So they basically have to be out in the next SSU push.	20:30
andre__	understand	20:30
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Define_voting_procedure_for_Community_Council_elections ?	20:34
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vincenzo88	Hello all	20:45
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pupnik810	herro	20:52
RST38h	herro, herr pupnik	20:54
vincenzo88	You are my herro!	20:54
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pupnik810	hehe	21:01
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239338#post239338	21:01
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Grackle	I like the idea of range voting.	21:07
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GeneralAntilles	45 minutes until -> #maemo-meeting	21:13
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TPC	#maemo-meeting? whats that?	21:24
TPC	whatever it is, sounds like it could be interesting to watch	21:25
GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/October_08	21:25
TPC	ok, thanks	21:26
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woglinde	hi	21:29
* X-Fade feels bad whenever he needs to reject a project on garage which has Maemo in the title..		21:29
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	21:29
GeneralAntilles	Just tell them to flip it around to x for Maemo	21:29
X-Fade	I always hope they come back..	21:29
GeneralAntilles	Can you tell them why?	21:29
X-Fade	Yes, I have a default text for that.	21:30
GeneralAntilles	Ah	21:30
X-Fade	But still, rejection feels bad ;)	21:30
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etrunko	Suggest Moema	21:36
etrunko	:)	21:36
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GeneralAntilles	5 minutes -> #maemo-meeting	21:54
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GeneralAntilles	Now -> #maemo-meeting ;)	22:00
Stskeeps	my national tv is just rickrolling an entire tv channel with obama+rickrolling.	22:00
Stskeeps	that's disturbing.	22:00
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Stskeeps	on a sidenote, when was power management a differentiation area for nokia? i thought it was the ui, seamless connectivity and apps :P	22:07
GeneralAntilles	Since they began talking about differentiation.	22:07
Stskeeps	mmkay	22:07
X-Fade	Since the first phone..	22:07
X-Fade	Power is always a selling point.	22:08
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X-Fade	And you don't want to know how many patents they have on that ;)	22:08
Stskeeps	true, but then, libosso should be closed by that logic, as it really aids in making apps sleep and such :P	22:08
Stskeeps	and other components	22:08
GeneralAntilles	Don't give them ideas.	22:08
Stskeeps	sorry :P	22:09
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Stskeeps	what do they mean by "legacy" as a reason of not opening btw?	22:11
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GeneralAntilles	Inertia, I guess.	22:17
GeneralAntilles	It's that way mostly because it's already that way	22:17
Stskeeps	ah	22:17
GeneralAntilles	Newton's first law and all that. ;)	22:18
Stskeeps	i'm glad there was finally an official reason why BME is as it is, though	22:18
Stskeeps	and that's understandable	22:18
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, they don't want people blowing themselves up. ;)	22:19
Stskeeps	sucidal maemo hackers, eh.	22:19
Stskeeps	:P	22:19
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Stskeeps	+i	22:20
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Sure, I can help push the Nokia guys involved.	22:35
GeneralAntilles	Alright, since you're working on the server, I'll pick up the responsibility. ;)	22:35
X-Fade	Well, there will be times where I need to wait on ISP etc to do something. So I can help.	22:36
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bilaw_live	hallo all!	22:38
bilaw_live	live from a bar -- a new feat for me!	22:39
Stskeeps	hehe	22:39
GeneralAntilles	Hooray, tablets!	22:39
Stskeeps	but definately not a first in this channel ;)	22:39
guardian	long time i didn't use my n800, are there progress with input methods lately ? handwriting recognition ?	22:40
bilaw_live	oh, stskeeps, many, MANY pb trying to install deblet;;;;	22:40
Stskeeps	bilaw_live: did it steal your wife?	22:41
bilaw_live	(Hello, by the way!)	22:41
bilaw_live	not even, it'd have meant i had 1!	22:42
Stskeeps	hehe, because that's the only thing it guarantees it -might- do :P deblet has so far been a good exersise in showing the feasability of open OS's on tablets	22:43
Stskeeps	without it having to be a "hack"	22:43
Stskeeps	and collect research for improving maemo, or pushing it in the right direction	22:44
bilaw_live	my experience with it is that it installed sth "somewhere", for 2 hours, and then... nothing! I must have screwed w/ the partition;;;	22:45
Stskeeps	hehe. many reasons for that to happen :)	22:45
bilaw_live	I Have to go, ill try and locate the logs if yore interestedc...	22:46
Stskeeps	k	22:46
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RST38h	http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ecv-2006.png	22:56
RST38h	hehehe	22:56
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RST38h	qwerties breed!	23:11
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Stskeeps	http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/itt_thanks/	23:44
Stskeeps	er	23:44
Stskeeps	bad paste	23:44
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Stskeeps	wb	23:47
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GeneralAntilles	Stupid client	23:47
GeneralAntilles	Will sometimes stop redrawing windows when you open a new tab.	23:48
Stskeeps	ah	23:48
* Stskeeps ponders playing with debootstrap a bit		23:48
Stskeeps	atleast one person commented on proposal so far ;)	23:50
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GeneralAntilles	Obama crazy person #4 today.	23:51
lcuk2	is the meeting due to start or have i missed it?	23:53
Stskeeps	missed	23:53
Stskeeps	:P	23:53
lcuk2	ahhh phoey	23:53
GeneralAntilles	lcuk2, what, you wanted to commit a task? ;)	23:53
lcuk2	i wanted to keep myself informed is all :) i thought 22:00 utc was 10pm uk time	23:54
lcuk2	crap!	23:54
lcuk2	even worse lol	23:54
GeneralAntilles	lcuk2, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting	23:54
GeneralAntilles	Should be up tomorrow	23:54
* lcuk2 misread time		23:54
qwerty12_N800	lcuk2, it's when eastenders finishes :p	23:55
lcuk2	lol, i have had it in my head that it was 10pm - doesnt matter	23:55
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