| ccooke | RST38h: how hard is doing dev work on windows at the moment? | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | ccooke: for Maemo? Impossible. | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | vmware seems to work fine for most people. | 00:00 |
| ccooke | really? that's not good | 00:00 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Maemo SDK is Linux only, works best with Debian or Ubuntu, and only inside chroot | 00:00 |
| LinuxCode | its a linux based device! | 00:00 |
| RST38h | General: That is NOT doing it in Windows | 00:00 |
| LinuxCode | why would you want to dev on a windows system for it | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the effect is the same. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | General: That is doing it inside fake Maemo running on Linux running in a fake vm | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever arbitrary barriers you want to put up. | 00:01 |
| RST38h | General: The amount of quasisexual intercourse is much larger than just doing it in windows | 00:01 |
| ccooke | RST38h: sounds like the best option for what you want would be an armel emulated vm running maemo | 00:02 |
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| * Stslaptop wouldn't mind a maemo armel with distcc to a cross-compiler | 00:02 | |
| ccooke | with some deployment tools to run that on a real tablet | 00:02 |
| Stslaptop | +qemu | 00:02 |
| Stslaptop | it actually works amazingly well | 00:02 |
| Stslaptop | develop in maemo, for maemo, but faster than on an emulator | 00:03 |
| ccooke | Stslaptop: I'd expect it to - qemu is pretty mature now | 00:03 |
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| Stslaptop | ccooke, oh, the speedup isn't cos of qemu, an emulator is an emulator, but a native gcc crosscompiler helps :P | 00:03 |
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| ccooke | Stslaptop: it wasn't clear you were talking about speed when I replied :-) | 00:04 |
| Stslaptop | when you've compiled a big project on a tablet, you prefer not to do it again :P | 00:05 |
| ccooke | see, that's why I opted not to try gentoo on the Zaurus... | 00:05 |
| ccooke | (although I should point out the n8x0 is more powerful than the first unix boxes I used by far... and I've waited out a few make worlds on them :-) | 00:06 |
| LinuxCode | maemo does provide a vm appliance for a reason | 00:06 |
| ccooke | it's so much easier to be patient when you know your kit is as fast as it gets :-) | 00:07 |
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| RST38h | ~curse uplink for being unstable tonight | 00:10 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, uplink for being unstable tonight ! | 00:10 |
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| `Mace | blah | 00:41 |
| `Mace | damn zimbra | 00:41 |
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| burnte | so, here's a question. maemo-pc-connectivity has that wonderful icon and a status of "broken but able to update" and now suddenly openssh-server does too. And they won't uninstall due to dependencies. maemo-pc-connectivity deps on opensshs I can't remove the openssh package, and fuse-utils deps on maemo-pc-connectivity... | 01:09 |
| burnte | any suggestions for how to remove them so I can fix stuff? | 01:09 |
| woglinde | dpkg --purge --force-all packagemoo | 01:10 |
| burnte | I'm going to assume packagemoo means the package name I'm looking to rain hot death upon? :) | 01:11 |
| woglinde | right | 01:11 |
| burnte | <scary voice>we shall see</scary voice> | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK_ | this sounds like a terrible idea | 01:11 |
| woglinde | what? | 01:12 |
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| b1ackdeath | my n810 keeps saying that im out of memory when im deffently not | 01:17 |
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| b1ackdeath | heres what my file system looks like | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | /dev/mmcblk1p2 4.0M 2.6M 1.4M 65% /mnt/initfs | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /mnt/initfs/tmp | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | /dev/mmcblk0p2 1.6G 399.7M 1.2G 25% / | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /tmp | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | none 1.0M 68.0k 956.0k 7% /dev | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | tmpfs 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /dev/shm | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1.9G 1.0G 881.8M 54% /media/mmc2 | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | /dev/mmcblk1p1 120.9M 20.5M 100.4M 17% /media/mmc1 | 01:18 |
| b1ackdeath | any idea's? | 01:18 |
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| halley | My stepdad used to confuse hard drive space with "memory" all the time. | 01:19 |
| nelson | blackdeath: use paste.be next time? Oh, you mean ideas about your flash storage. | 01:19 |
| halley | I need to add 'deffently' to my list of creative misspellings of 'definitely' also. | 01:20 |
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| b1ackdeath | i will us that next time, well im booting off my sd card and im using 128 of virtual mem,, sorry about the spelling im dyslexic | 01:20 |
| halley | b1ackdeath, run "top" in a terminal, it will show you memory used vs free | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | that ifgure isn't entirely useful... | 01:21 |
| halley | ShadowJK_, true but live application memory isn't part of the filesystem either. | 01:21 |
| b1ackdeath | Mem: 124068K used, 2728K free, 0K shrd, 2064K buff, 66608K cached | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK_ | so half effectively free.. | 01:21 |
| halley | Half? | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK_ | 66M+2M out of 128 | 01:22 |
| halley | If it can repurpose the cache, yes. | 01:22 |
| b1ackdeath | but why do i get a system message saying that it is full and need to free space,, iv also had the window manager crash a bunch of times | 01:22 |
| halley | What apps are running? | 01:24 |
| halley | And don't paste all. | 01:24 |
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| b1ackdeath | i did have the personal launcher and the menu but i uninstalled them | 01:24 |
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| b1ackdeath | why are there 4 maemo-launcher's ? running | 01:26 |
| halley | threads, not processes | 01:27 |
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| dererk | lcuk, ping | 01:28 |
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| nelson | anybody know how the button on the microphone is presented to software? | 01:31 |
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| nelson | I asked that question last May and nobody knew then either. | 01:33 |
| burnte | woglinde: worked for maemo-pc-connectivity but openssh server gives http://pastebin.mozilla.org/566454 | 01:34 |
| woglinde | burnte whats ls -la /etc/rc2.d/S55ssh | 01:35 |
| woglinde | showing? | 01:35 |
| burnte | -> ../init.d/ssh | 01:36 |
| woglinde | and whats ls -la ../init.d/ssh showing? | 01:37 |
| woglinde | aeh | 01:37 |
| woglinde | /etc/init.d/ssh | 01:37 |
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| burnte | yeah, obviously .. wiouldn't work, ls -la of /etc/init.d/ssh shows the file and path as one would expect | 01:38 |
| woglinde | hm try remove it manually | 01:39 |
| woglinde | with rm | 01:39 |
| woglinde | okay I got into my bed now | 01:39 |
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| burnte | totally worked | 01:40 |
| burnte | woglinde++ | 01:40 |
| burnte | for when he gets back. | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | dererk, pong | 01:47 |
| dererk | lcuk, passed on private the output of liqbase | 01:48 |
| dererk | lcuk, maybe it's something to do with the 2008he running on a n770 hardware | 01:49 |
| lcuk | perfect dererk, thank you | 01:49 |
| dererk | lcuk, np, please msg or memosrv me for more testing | 01:49 |
| lcuk | i will have a look when im not so tired, but that gives me hope its workable | 01:50 |
| lcuk | from the first things people were saying, it wouldnt even run - just having the log and seeing the error lets me advance from that | 01:50 |
| lcuk | dererk, have you got any other nokias, or is this your fulltime machine? | 01:51 |
| dererk | lcuk, i've no other nokias, but i use it for playing and having fun :) | 01:53 |
| lcuk | heh yeah - i try to as well, ive heard though graphically there is more bandwidth available on the 770, but that the cpu let it down | 01:55 |
| dererk | bad to hear that | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | quantum of solace is flipping amazing! | 02:00 |
| dererk | is it? | 02:00 |
| dererk | i wanted to see it | 02:00 |
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| dererk | it's not on screen on .AR currently tough | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | dererk, its way better than many previous bond films - i would have prefered sitting a bit further back than i was (right under the screen, ive got a sore neck) | 02:06 |
| dererk | oh | 02:06 |
| dererk | i really hated Casino Royale | 02:06 |
| dererk | let's see if this guy learned something =) | 02:07 |
| lcuk | yeah, he was finding his feet - it felt like a bond movie this time | 02:07 |
| lcuk | really impressed with it | 02:07 |
| dererk | ok ok, I bought it. Give me two :-P | 02:08 |
| lcuk | :P | 02:09 |
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| dererk | ok, ok, upgrading to diablo on a n770 hw was not a good idea =) | 02:23 |
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| LinuxCode | im out | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | bye | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | ohh and hi bye lcuk | 02:33 |
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| lcuk | hiya lc :) | 02:33 |
| lcuk | cya lc | 02:33 |
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| GuySoft | hey all, is there a PIM application for mamo? (aka nokia n810?) | 02:43 |
| lcuk | there will be | 02:43 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, so the nokia n810 carn't function as an organiser? | 02:44 |
| lcuk | GuySoft, we are designing one at present and part of that process nicely groups together all the existing systems | 02:44 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM | 02:44 |
| lcuk | there are existing apps out there | 02:44 |
| GuySoft | i am considering buying a N810. and i really need a PIM manager (my palm died). the question is there are functional programs out there at the moment | 02:45 |
| lcuk | yes, go and have a look - that page i linked specifies most of the current players | 02:46 |
| lcuk | some are more feature complete than others (many being OSS they are available) and many perform perfectly well | 02:46 |
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| lcuk | theres just no all in one encapsulated built for maemo pim yet | 02:46 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, what i really need is the calendar, to do, and address book.. and make it syncable to some app in linux | 02:49 |
| GuySoft | i dont care if its nice and sleek, the question is it it works.. | 02:50 |
| GuySoft | i just carn't find any other solution | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | GuySoft, im not the best person about specifics, i dont have much use for pim on device yet - the others who are writing up the spec know a lot more than me | 02:51 |
| lcuk | they know all the deficiences of each through trial and usage of the software, look on that page and you might find something that fits | 02:52 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, from my experience the best way to check this is by locating someone that actually uses it.. otherwise you never know.. no matter how much you read | 02:57 |
| lcuk | agreed entirely, but in absence of one of those im afraid thats the best i can offer you | 02:58 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, thanks for helping :-) .. ill try catching someone here later then.. | 03:21 |
| GuySoft | i just feel like i lost an extension of myself when i have no organiser that works.. | 03:22 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, btw, does it work well as a recorder? | 03:55 |
| lcuk | does what work as a recorder? | 03:55 |
| lcuk | and recording what | 03:55 |
| GuySoft | lcuk, the nokia devices running mamo | 03:55 |
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| lcuk | i gathered that much GuySoft, i meant does what program work well, or for recording what data | 03:56 |
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| zakkm | How much time should the built-in battery meter say is remaining for idle/inuse.. on a fullcharged Nokia N800 ? | 04:19 |
| legind | I feel like inuse would be 8hrs, but not completely sure | 04:25 |
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| zakkm_ | how would i format a SD card.. from the tablet ? | 04:45 |
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| legind | does anyone have btscanner working on chinook? | 04:49 |
| zakkm_ | If i were to copy diablo to SD card.. how much filesize roughly am i looking at.. on the SD card? | 04:52 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone got the WiMAX edition yet? | 05:19 |
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| zakkm_ | Which is better for "Clone to SD" ... 150x SD , or a class 6 card / | 06:57 |
| zakkm_ | and if so, how big of a difference | 06:57 |
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| ryoohki | i have tried a few different ways to flash the rootfs on my n810 wimax to no avail... last it tried as root was : "./flasher-3.0.amd64 -r rootfs.jffs2 -R" | 07:57 |
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| joueur_ | hi people, i am trying N800-s2RAM, but it eats my CPU.... which version is better? or any other solutions to save my battery at night? sry i am newbie... | 10:57 |
| joueur_ | pls.. anyone? my nokia i every morning death... and i am sad.. | 11:00 |
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| Stslaptop | joueur_: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh is something i used and seemed to work decently | 11:07 |
| Stslaptop | n800-s2ram is closed source | 11:08 |
| Stslaptop | best way to save battery at night is make sure your wifi ap has PSM ability | 11:08 |
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| joueur_ | Stslaptop: i am turning off wifi && bluetooth at night... i have nokia N800 second day, but every morning is my byttery drained.. | 11:20 |
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| Stslaptop | did you kill metalayer-crawler yet? | 11:21 |
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| joueur_ | meta.. what? wait i will look at google.. | 11:21 |
| Stslaptop | there's a search engine that sometimes run a bit amok :) | 11:22 |
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| joueur_ | Stslaptop: this application is standart installed in Maemo Diablo? uff... exists in maemo something like xkill or htop ? thanks for a response.. | 11:28 |
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| Stslaptop | htop is certainly installable | 11:31 |
| Stslaptop | well -normally- it behaves ok but for many not | 11:31 |
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| Stslaptop | there can be other causes to battery drain though | 11:31 |
| joueur_ | other causes? like? | 11:33 |
| Stslaptop | plenty mentioned on internettablettalk.com | 11:35 |
| joueur_ | ok... last question.. is http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu piece of good software? | 11:44 |
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| Stslaptop | well a cpu meter will take cpu as well ;) | 11:52 |
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| joueur_ | yep... i will use it just to debug... to find which app eat my CPU when i sleep :D | 12:04 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone got Pluthon working in Eclipse? The update manager seems fubar | 12:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | O_o @ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3841 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3840 | 12:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Why does maemo attract the retards? :( | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most platforms get their own share of crazies. | 12:29 |
| joueur_ | it is not secure to use rootsh in public network, isn´t it? | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:29 |
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| Jaffa | Eh? So Russ has raised a bug, but then closed it WONTFIX himself | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | ? | 12:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think he closed it out of spite because andre__ edited it. | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | Right. | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | So that leads me to conclude that he's 12. | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | Oh, joy. ESBox doesn't work either. It installs, and looks like it's working, but the preference panels throw exceptions. | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | colour me unimpressed. | 12:36 |
| RST38h | Still trying to use Eclipse? =) | 12:40 |
| * Jaffa isn't going to blame Eclipse for the crapness of external people. | 12:40 | |
| RST38h | You can always blame both | 12:40 |
| RST38h | And it will usually make sense, too | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | Not without some mental leaps and a vendetta. | 12:41 |
| RST38h | vendetta would be good, yes | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | ESBox & Pluthon have bitrotted, aren't supported on the latest versions of Eclipse and seem to have had more time spent on flashy websites than actually working. | 12:41 |
| RST38h | although I do not see a good enough reason given that this steaming pile of shit is free to use | 12:41 |
| RST38h | Try http://www.geany.org/ - it is nice | 12:42 |
| * Stslaptop ponders idly if he's a platform crazie | 12:43 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, spitefully delete your wiki pages when somebody else contributes to them and it'll be confirmed. | 12:44 |
| Stslaptop | ah | 12:44 |
| RST38h | That is actually an interesting tactic | 12:45 |
| RST38h | Open a bunch of wiki pages on useful topics, wait for people to contribute, then delete the pages. | 12:45 |
| lcuk | thats scary | 12:46 |
| RST38h | that's the best thing about it | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds pointless | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully only admins can delete pages. | 12:46 |
| Stslaptop | sometimes when i deal with wpa_supplicant, NM and such, I'm grateful for Nokia's seamless connectivity. | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could blank them but it's a one-click reversion process. | 12:46 |
| RST38h | doesn't make sense then | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Are we actually confirmed for this Tuesday, or is it still up in the air? | 12:48 |
| RST38h | You mean Maemo irc meeting or the elections? =) | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sprint review | 12:49 |
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| Stslaptop | sprint review and elections in one night, that'll be exciting ;> | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | would any of you lot sign up to follow a twitter user that had never tweeted? | 12:54 |
| lcuk | (mornin btw) | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm only subscribed to Jaiku | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints <- we still need an index page. | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | jaiku is invite based though - cant get in the club unless they let ya | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not anymore | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just register | 12:55 |
| lcuk | i did | 12:55 |
| lcuk | i havent heard back | 12:55 |
| lcuk | Not a member yet? [request an invitation] | 12:56 |
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| Stslaptop | lcuk: i used a jaiku invites page | 12:56 |
| Stslaptop | seemed to do the trick | 12:56 |
| lcuk | "To request an invitation to beta-test the service, please enter your email address in the field below, and we'll let you know when an account becomes available. " | 12:57 |
| lcuk | ... | 12:57 |
| Stslaptop | http://jaikuinvites.com/ worked for me.. but then again, odd people are signing up for my jaikus | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, Maemo people? | 12:58 |
| Stslaptop | GeneralAntilles: i guess that's a subset of odd people | 12:58 |
| lcuk | some1 is following me on twitter - ive not wrote a single tweet yet | 12:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles stalks Stslaptop. | 12:59 | |
| lcuk | have any of you got an invitation thingy waiting | 12:59 |
| * RST38h makes a voodoo doll in Stslaptop likeness | 12:59 | |
| lcuk | i would rather get an invite from some1 i know :$ | 13:00 |
| * Stslaptop doesn't seem to have any invites | 13:00 | |
| Stslaptop | oh, there | 13:00 |
| Stslaptop | lcuk: mail? | 13:00 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail | 13:00 |
| Stslaptop | invited | 13:00 |
| lcuk | excellent | 13:00 |
| lcuk | thanks | 13:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stslaptop, where'd you find them? | 13:01 |
| lcuk | ps, quantum of solace is AMAZING | 13:02 |
| Stslaptop | GeneralAntilles: People -> Invite friends | 13:02 |
| Stslaptop | ~curse wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network | 13:04 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network ! | 13:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm having troubles with the new network manager in intrepid :P. Gonna remove the shit and setup the network config manually :P | 13:05 |
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| * RST38h has not even been offered to upgrade to intrepid. Is it right? | 13:06 | |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Update notifier told me. Upgraded yesterday. | 13:06 |
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| fish_ | i'm confused.. which distri should i specify in my sources.list when running a OS07 hacker edition? bora? | 13:07 |
| fish_ | at least mplayer dies with a illegal instruction.. | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Maybe I have to wait until it runs the check again | 13:09 |
| Stslaptop | fish_: maybe you've gotten a VFP version or something? 770's aren't able to run those.. :P | 13:15 |
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| * lcuk is the stickman at the back | 13:22 | |
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| lcuk | how do i link jaiku to irc? ie every irc line i make goes to jaiku as well ;) | 13:23 |
| Stslaptop | every /me or? :P | 13:23 |
| lcuk | hang on, thats not such a bad idea | 13:23 |
| Stslaptop | may be | 13:23 |
| Stslaptop | .P | 13:23 |
| lcuk | have a jaikubot that you can whisper | 13:23 |
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| * qwerty12 wonders why the pcspkr module is even included with ubuntu :( | 13:24 | |
| lcuk | heh Stslaptop i actually think it will get full very quickly | 13:24 |
| lcuk | hiya qwerty | 13:24 |
| * Stslaptop glances at hildon-desktop in ubuntu mojo and ponders. | 13:24 | |
| qwerty12 | heh, hi lcuk | 13:24 |
| lcuk | i have a mission for you if you are able | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | I can try, if my internet connection manages to stay up in linux that is :P | 13:25 |
| Stslaptop | qwerty12: i know the feeling. i gave up on wpa supplicant and now installing network manager and a X desktop on my server :P | 13:25 |
| lcuk | lol it should technically be quick, but if you look at it and think it wont be dont worry | 13:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Stslaptop, I want to achieve the opposite :P. Though actually, my wifi connected straight away with network manager. Either because I stopped the ipv6 module from starting or nm has a 6th sense that I was about to remove it :P | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, go on :) | 13:27 |
| Stslaptop | okay. repository.handhelds.org must be running on same servers as maemo.org. 15k/s. | 13:28 |
| Stslaptop | and this is even with half of the dorm network cut off | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | Stslaptop, you are makin some serious headway with your reconstructed page | 13:50 |
| lcuk | i need to go for a bit anyway, back later this afternoon sometime | 13:51 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, cya later, thx | 13:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | kk, bye lcuk for now | 13:54 |
| aspiers | qwerty12_N800: have you tried org-mode on maemo emacs? | 13:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | aspiers, I don't have emacs installed anymore | 13:56 |
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| aspiers | oh? | 13:58 |
| aspiers | I am going to try it with org-mouse | 13:58 |
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| lbt | aspiers: have you seen http://orgmode.org/GoogleTech.html | 14:13 |
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| lbt | it's open in a tab at the moment :) | 14:13 |
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| aspiers | lbt: yes, it's a great talk | 14:47 |
| aspiers | lbt: I'm a part-time org-mode hacker | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: think i need someone with proper knowledge of things to go through it and weed out weird statements | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: interesting fact of the day. apt-get --no-install-recommends install hildon-desktop (that's ubuntu mobile), 110.4M flash. | 15:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | it even includes scary things like libxu | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | l | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ubuntumobile.txt <- dpkg -l | 15:22 |
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| AStorm | ok | 15:52 |
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| AStorm | does someone around have a bunch of nice vim settings? | 15:52 |
| AStorm | oh nvm | 15:52 |
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| hellwolf | I installed xchat, and the software is constantly ping time out on some server. It seems that the network delaying a lot when the n810 is in idle mode | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | hellwolf: possibly an artefact of wifi power saving. the ping class on the irc server should probably try to ping you more often | 16:27 |
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| hellwolf | Stskeeps, thanks, but how could I turn off the power saving | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm | 16:28 |
| infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: when I've finished the reconstructed wiki page, is there any chance I could recruit you to comb through it a bit for weird sentencing/non-understandable stuff/obvious signs of stream of conciousness? | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'll copy edit. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | would definately help to make it a more sane proposal when there's less of my insanity in it ;) | 16:31 |
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| * lcuk loves havin images in liqbase | 16:34 | |
| lcuk | a picture is worht a thousand words | 16:35 |
| lcuk | and worth as well | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm really surprised what compression can do at times. i never thought a standard ubuntu mobile would fit in 110m flash | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:38 |
| lcuk | heh wicked | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | (admitted this is without any useful apps, just the desktop.) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is it using runtime compression? is it workable on device | 16:39 |
| lcuk | how much of a slowdown does it have | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: not sure, it's jffs2 so you're using it right now :P | 16:40 |
| lcuk | cool fair enough | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Marginal | 16:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yeah realise that now | 16:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But the space savings really far outweighs the performance cost when you're talking about 256MB of storage. | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30-50% | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 270m -> 110m | 16:42 |
| lcuk | just a minimal quick compression, i understand | 16:42 |
| AFBN810 | Hello | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 16:46 |
| lcuk | yello | 16:46 |
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| TTilus | performance hit cant be that bad, remembering that runtime compression was commonplace over 15 years ago | 17:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's non-trivial | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | sorry, but what is the current topic? | 17:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jffs2 compression | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | ah | 17:30 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello all! | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-oIMJMGd1Q | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Markets finally explained! | 17:43 |
| RST38h | =) | 17:43 |
| vincenzo88 | :( | 17:46 |
| vincenzo88 | need french subtitles | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | you would then lose their british accents! :) | 17:47 |
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| woglinde | hi qwerty | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | hi woglinde :) | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | qwerty13 | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | RST38i | 18:07 |
| RST38h | is there some special repo I have to add to Ubuntu so that it lets me update to Intrepid? | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, checked that the update repo in "software sources" is ticked? | 18:10 |
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| RST38h | checking... | 18:11 |
| woglinde | hi qwerty12 | 18:11 |
| RST38h | mrotSA | 18:12 |
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| woglinde | args | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Says "Long Time Support Releases Only" | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: what kind of devel did you do before you came to tablets btw? | 18:14 |
| RST38h | yea, got it. should I upgrade? | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, started in c on the amiga, jumped to vb in windows in 1999, had head inthe sand building all sorts of systems since then, and now back to c finally | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Ah, Amiga... what pleasure it was to program | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and what was your first impression of the maemo development environment? | 18:16 |
| RST38h | No event loops =) | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | 1st impression was good - but then again that was python, scratchbox scared the shit out of me - i could barely understand linux let alone having emulated linux within normal linux within vmware | 18:17 |
| woglinde | hihi | 18:17 |
| woglinde | and you needed some help for the package dependencies | 18:18 |
| lcuk | hurts my head to think on multiple levels - hence now directly on the omap compilation suits my mind | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, different levels of abstraction, i still know nothing about linux | 18:18 |
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| woglinde | lcuk hm oyu have to differ btw. the kernel and the other stuff | 18:19 |
| lcuk | no, not even that - theres so many libraries around - information overload | 18:20 |
| lcuk | it would be very easy for me to get bogged down in one specific library by looking extensively at one specific area | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: if we skip "it's linux" part, how would you like a SDK to be? an IDE, compiler and associated emulator? | 18:21 |
| lcuk | look at the visual basic 6 IDE for pretty much bang on | 18:22 |
| lcuk | code window / designer window / running code | 18:22 |
| lcuk | simple to switch between each | 18:22 |
| lcuk | fast and fluid - the editor is tuned to whats needed | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ever tried to develop for windows mobile per chance? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | the help system works exactly as expected | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | / pocketpc | 18:22 |
| lcuk | yes - i hate the .net ide | 18:23 |
| lcuk | it "feels" too slow | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | the ide is the most important part of my comfort - more specifically the editor | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | how about "deploy to emulator" "debug on emulator", "debug on device" and such? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | komodo edit comes very close for c | 18:24 |
| * Mousey cries | 18:24 | |
| Mousey | when will canola crossfade??? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | what about geany? | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, it doesn't have anything to do with Canola. | 18:25 |
| lcuk | RST38h, not sure if i tried it, but there is a point where you have to stop looking, komodo ticked enough of my boxes to allow me to jump | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Mousey: not before Hadron Collider makes this question pointless | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ive not willingly opened up the visual basic editor now since the day i chose | 18:25 |
| lcuk | it has become my blank canvas | 18:25 |
| * RST38h uses pico | 18:25 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i would like on device debugging | 18:26 |
| lcuk | for me, there is no "deploy to device" since i compile and run directly from device anyway | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:26 |
| Mousey | RST38h: that doomsday machine won't be ready to destroy reality for another couple months.. thank the lord for the rebel scientists who sabotaged it and saved us all | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Who said it were scientists? <winks? | 18:27 |
| lcuk | i used to have it - it operated the same way, my build script used to run make, scp the binary over, execute it, then kill -9 after it finished - it allowed me to CTRL-C from my big desktop keyboard and stop the app on device | 18:27 |
| lcuk | that was from within vmware scratchbox ^ | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, that's one way | 18:28 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: That is how I do it, but I use sb2 and scp from Linux directly | 18:28 |
| lcuk | it made sure it was controllable and managable | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, i will not jump from windows until i can get 1 thing: a touchscreen linux desktop - i want the eee monitor replacement but i cant afford one | 18:29 |
| lcuk | i have no room here to keep a second machine running, and i hate vmware | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | it would take me too long to configure my own linux distro | 18:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do you already have touchscreen windows desktop though? | 18:31 |
| lcuk | no | 18:31 |
| RST38h | then why worry? | 18:31 |
| lcuk | but if i am going to linux im taking my code with me and i want to touch the screen | 18:31 |
| * RST38h has both XP and Ubuntu on his laptop but primarily uses Windows | 18:32 | |
| lcuk | i want the big daddy version of liqbase :) | 18:32 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:32 |
| RST38h | well, you can get a UMPC and run Moblin | 18:32 |
| RST38h | or just buy a tablet-convertible laptop | 18:32 |
| lcuk | i got the nokia because it was preconfigured - i paid nokia to create and setup the device for me | 18:33 |
| lcuk | i do not have the knowledge of will to stop working for days to examine the market and configure it - asus are releasing something which fits, im gonna get one as soon as its feasible | 18:33 |
| lcuk | or will ^ | 18:33 |
| * lcuk wants to buy his light sabre | 18:34 | |
| RST38h | mmm, I don't want to say it, but if you do not spend at least some time examining the market, you have got high chance of buying a lemon | 18:35 |
| lcuk | i mean the software choices - theres hundreds of different combinations needing testing | 18:36 |
| RST38h | not really, only 3-4 at most | 18:36 |
| RST38h | it may LOOK like there are hundreds with all the buzz though :) | 18:36 |
| lcuk | i want a machine where i unwrap it its got linux on and all its bits work and are pretested and configured. its the OOB experience that counts | 18:37 |
| lcuk | asus is offering that - and just like the nokia it might not be perfect, but its a lot better than gettign a windows box and trying to force linux on it and have it account for all the hardware | 18:38 |
| AStorm | Acer does that too... :> | 18:39 |
| lcuk | its not important for now anyway - ive got my development environment setup and working, thats just the future | 18:39 |
| RST38h | and HP | 18:39 |
| AStorm | at least did | 18:39 |
| RST38h | and MSI | 18:39 |
| lcuk | desktop touchscreens preconfigured? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | and affordable? | 18:40 |
| AStorm | everyone has 2 questions | 18:40 |
| RST38h | although you do have to check first if that Linux is hackable | 18:40 |
| AStorm | 1) will it run office | 18:40 |
| AStorm | 2) will it run games | 18:40 |
| AStorm | :> | 18:40 |
| RST38h | And the answer is the same to both 1 and 2 :) | 18:40 |
| AStorm | so, we die | 18:40 |
| RST38h | That is why 3 times more MSI netbooks with Linux are returned than Windows ones | 18:40 |
| AStorm | chicken-and-egg problem | 18:41 |
| RST38h | AStorm: yes, unfortunately | 18:41 |
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| AStorm | now, office is good | 18:41 |
| AStorm | I mean, openoffice | 18:41 |
| RST38h | UNLESS, it does not look like a laptop which is exactly what the tablet doesnt look like | 18:41 |
| AStorm | bbut, you can't grab a cd with soft and (ab)use it | 18:41 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Not really. They want MS Office | 18:41 |
| AStorm | orly? | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Open Office still has marginal penetration | 18:42 |
| AStorm | I did a test once | 18:42 |
| AStorm | replaced silently | 18:42 |
| AStorm | they didn't notice | 18:42 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:42 |
| RST38h | It i small things - once they hit a couple, they will want MS Office | 18:42 |
| AStorm | they did notice it later | 18:42 |
| AStorm | file format | 18:42 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Format support, integration with other office tools, etc | 18:42 |
| AStorm | yup | 18:43 |
| AStorm | Macs might change things | 18:43 |
| RST38h | At the enf OO still loses :( | 18:43 |
| RST38h | Macs have small penetration too | 18:43 |
| AStorm | yet | 18:43 |
| RST38h | Less than Linux afaik | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | can you automate open office from outside the app - like you can use activex and .net to control ms office? | 18:43 |
| AStorm | lcuk, sure | 18:43 |
| AStorm | it has a Java api | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | ok, thats reasonable | 18:44 |
| lcuk | thx - ill keep that in the back of my mind | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | JAVA api is unreasonable | 18:44 |
| RST38h | JavaScript would probably do | 18:44 |
| lcuk | no rst, java itself would be better - you can make the java scriptable and have control over types etc much better than the script variants | 18:45 |
| * lcuk is used to a strong office object model | 18:46 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Look at the size of java runtime - you call it scripting language? | 18:46 |
| glass | who called it a scripting language.. | 18:47 |
| glass | question was to how to automate, i'd rather automate through java than some js doohickery | 18:48 |
| lcuk | .nod. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_.22Reconstructed.22_SDK_.28developer_kit_for_the_platform.29 <- can someone tell me if this sounds sane, and like a proper idea for a SDK -you- as an developer would like to work with? .. and if my statements make sense. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | (the basic idea is making a proposal for a Maemo platform of the future, if we could tear down Maemo as it is now, and reconstruct it. Hence Maemo "Reconstructured". | 18:49 |
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| ShadowJK_ | reconstructed? | 18:51 |
| GuySoft | hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? | 18:51 |
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| woglinde | hm popcorn time again | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Sts, why do you want to tear down Maemo? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: reform is maybe a better word | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Do you think that the result of this reformation will be worth it? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | tear down as in deconstruct, and put the pieces back together. and if it's worth it, not sure, we'll see | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | Sts: the cost of such reconstruction is too high to just "look and see" | 18:54 |
| RST38h | So, you would really have to come up with a list of good and undisputable reasons | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | that's why i try to accompany it with actual research and seeing if it's plausible to work on, and find people agreeing with the statements :P | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't carry much weight when it's just me spouting out stuff, so | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | and if maemo doesn't want it, it makes a good blueprint for a maemo alternative | 18:57 |
| RST38h | YEP | 18:57 |
| RST38h | BT KBD STUCK IN UPPER CASE | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 18:58 |
| * ShadowJK_ has been looking for a cheap bt keyboard | 18:58 | |
| RST38h | ~curse maemo for broken kbd supporT | 18:59 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo for broken kbd supporT ! | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | sshadow, apple | 18:59 |
| lcuk | there is nothing wrong with examining processes and seeing where can be improved - even if its not all used, its a good exercise and usually results in incorporating the most serious deficiencies into the current workflow. | 18:59 |
| ShadowJK_ | I don't consider 100€ as cheap :) | 18:59 |
| RST38h | 80 | 18:59 |
| lcuk | very desirable - but remember to turn it off before shoving it into a bag | 19:00 |
| * lcuk curses his apple kb for blocking stars at the summit | 19:01 | |
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| RST38h | Damn upgrade is going to download for 2 hours | 19:17 |
| RST38h | ...and then it will surely mess my the system. | 19:17 |
| RST38h | s/my/up | 19:17 |
| ShadowJK_ | how much diskspace free on internal flash? :) | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: You mean HD? =) | 19:22 |
| RST38h | After I keworked Maemo bootstrap, ~1.5GB, Ubuntu requires 1.1 for upgrade | 19:23 |
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| zakkm | Hi, I got the N800 and it wont read my SD card, but when i connect it to PC , it works.. | 19:59 |
| zakkm | like connecting from the nokia | 19:59 |
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| kkrusty | any recommendations for bluetooth headphones for the n810? | 20:08 |
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| kkrusty | well if A2DP hasnt been released for maemo yet then I dont see the point of looking for a pair of bluetooth headphones | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | indeed | 20:16 |
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| disco_stu | hi | 20:16 |
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| disco_stu | anyone knows a CAS for the n800 ? | 20:17 |
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| zakkm | How would i get permission to /home/user .. from my pc? | 20:20 |
| zakkm | If i did clone to SD.. and i want to add stuff to SD, where would i put it? | 20:20 |
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| GuySoft | er, ill try again: hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? | 20:58 |
| LiraNuna | anyone here got their hands on N810 WiMAX? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's a good amount of discussion about that on internettablettalk, GuySoft | 20:58 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, yes, but i want to hear from someone that it works.. i dont know if i should get a n810 or a palm | 21:03 |
| joueur_ | hi ... which google URI is now life for maemo mapper? i can't find anyone... | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | if you go for an awesome and flexible device, get n810, if you want a PDA, get a palm | 21:03 |
| * lcuk flexes his n810 and watches as bits of LCD shatter and embed themselves in his eye | 21:04 | |
| lcuk | thanks very much sts! | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, awesomeness comes with responsibilities | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Never ever get Palm | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Palm is dead. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | well | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok, or a windows mobile | 21:05 |
| RST38h | WinMobile...umgh... | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i managed to get my gf like pocket pc, couldn't show PIM stuff like that on n8x0 | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i don't like it either but it does what it's supposed | 21:05 |
| * RST38h makes choking noises | 21:05 | |
| lcuk | bbiab | 21:05 |
| RST38h | PIM is just an application. When there is need for it, it will be written. | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | In fact, given money for it, I would do it myself | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | it can't be that difficult to make, honestly. simple calendar, inbox and sync with various sources | 21:07 |
| RST38h | yep | 21:07 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, but i want both :S | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | and that'd do the trick | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: get cracking and coding then :P | 21:07 |
| RST38h | well, UI has to be thought out, but there are examples on the market that can be simulated | 21:07 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, however i rather it would be easy to sync than have advance PIM stuff | 21:07 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, id love to.. however i started university today.. and my clie died yesterday... | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | that's the problem with the platform not being commercially viable (yet?) | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: consider a manual system like Xournal | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | and apply the principles of getting things done | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238733&postcount=47 seems interesting | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | libgringotts? =) | 21:12 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, i just rather use a pen in that scene | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: better than VB3SD5E3.DLL | 21:13 |
| RST38h | yea :) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: hehe.. i stopped taking paper notes, exporting pdfs into onenote instead from xournal | 21:13 |
| RST38h | this osmo thing looks cool - when do we see it in extras? =) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | its hacky packages, and that's why stuff should be pushed along the lines i'm considering :P | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | cos porting is much more difficult than it should | 21:14 |
| RST38h | why is it difficult? | 21:15 |
| kkrusty | ShadowJK_: "indeed" for no A2DP support? | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, in instance of debian packages. debconf lacking, debhelper stuff, etc. | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | which is part of a more underlaying problem | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, but we have fakedebconf! isn't that like the best eva? :p | 21:17 |
| RST38h | why not dumb down the build system though? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm starting to think that Nokia thinks of the tablets as a embedded system whereas it should be seen as a limited-cpu limited-space limited-ram mobile device. maybe | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | but above typical embedded system | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it makes a lot more sense when you factor in the 770. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Nokia's background. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | it does make sense, but the 770 is capable of stuff still | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | and maybe that's the blocker for nokia, that they see it like very embedded systems | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | whereas open platforms are different creatures | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some stuff, but not a whole lot. | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | "The built-in flash contains around 64 MiB of shipped software. This means that about 64 MiB (770) or 192 MiB (N800/N810) is available to be shared between applications" | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | eh. | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | i've only seen 60m free or so at a reflash | 21:25 |
| slug | Stskeeps: get a 8GB sd card, and boot from there and you will see more ;) | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know :P | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i prefer that method too but i'm putting myself in the place of a device developer atm | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | for consumers | 21:28 |
| unixSnob | are there any packages to add support for gsm audio files? | 21:28 |
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| GuySoft | Stskeeps, so if i want a pda, there is no solution in linux yet? :( | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: it's getting there. i love my tablet though. | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds like Bora numbers. | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, mentioned in 4.x info though :P | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: http://clay.ll.pl/osmo/ <- what someone is trying to make work on a tablet factor | 21:32 |
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| GuySoft | Stskeeps, its frustrating.. after all there are apps for it taking a look | 21:33 |
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| GuySoft | Stskeeps, ok cool, he has it on an OLPC.. i can try it on mine :) . | 21:34 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, does that work on your nokia? | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238733&postcount=47 is a port, didn't test it yet | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | ask the guy for screenshots i guess | 21:36 |
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| dmsuperman | So, I use a bluetooth keyboard, but a lot of the time when I turn off the keyboard the onscreen keyboard doesn't enable | 21:37 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a way to enable it? | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | 4 hours remaining | 21:52 |
| RST38h | holy shit | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | for? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | its the end of the world | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | already? damnit, i thought i'd have a part of that | 21:55 |
| lcuk | it will have a piece of you | 21:56 |
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| t_s_o | dmsuperman: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14298&page=2 | 22:04 |
| lopz | hola | 22:05 |
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| dmsuperman | t_s_o: Ah, thanks | 22:21 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a way to create a shortcut somewhere that I can use to execute "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached false" ? | 22:23 |
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| t_s_o | http://www.adrants.com/2008/11/renamed-wifi-networks-guilt-freeloaders.php | 22:28 |
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| dmsuperman | Is it possible to create custom menu launchers? | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | look at personal menu maybe | 22:32 |
| dmsuperman | I have issues where hildon seems to crash when I use bluetooth, so all my desktop applets are lost | 22:33 |
| dmsuperman | I'd prefer something that I can launch from the menu | 22:33 |
| closet | If you want to make a custom entry in the default menu, you'd just need to create a custom .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 22:36 |
| dmsuperman | closet: That's exactly what I was after, thank you very much :D | 22:38 |
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| eathprod | Hello, i am looking for an article on how to flash latest Diablo on my N800 | 22:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles finds the "Future of Internet Tablets" discussion entirely too bizarre. | 22:43 | |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | Quick with your [Thanks] this evening. | 22:45 |
| vincenzo88 | Hello : http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:45 |
| eathprod | Thank you | 22:46 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a reason that bluetooth keyboards seem to crash hildon so often? | 22:46 |
| dmsuperman | It seems like every time I reattach my keyboard hildon crashes | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: think people are not realizing tablets is a generic technology that can empower if integrated in your life, home and work, not something that needs 30 gizmos.. | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:47 |
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| vincenzo88 | Goodbye & goodnight all ! | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | god, i love xournal's marker feature | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | ideal for reading pdfs and printing out later with annotations | 23:07 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, hey, um, is there a way i can emulate the software on a nokia 810? so i can see how it might look? | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i think best you can do is looking at youtube videos really.. there's no proper device emulators where you dont have to own a n810 in advance | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | and screenshots | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | (i had a n800 to play with at work before i went out and got one, especially after seeing people having it on conferences) | 23:12 |
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| GuySoft | Stskeeps, is there a way i can look at the software repository? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 23:14 |
| * GuySoft thinks its strange there is no emulation | 23:14 | |
| lcuk | best user friendly way | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | what lcuk said | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: emulators exist though | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | Someone got an ITOS image booting in qemu, IIRC | 23:15 |
| lcuk | hrw | 23:15 |
| * Stskeeps points to hrw | 23:15 | |
| Stskeeps | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ (bottom screenshots), http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | the devices are really brilliantly flexible but this also means people tend to loose focus of things that are useful ;) | 23:17 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a reason that bluetooth keyboards seem to crash hildon so often? | 23:21 |
| dmsuperman | It seems like every time I reattach my keyboard hildon crashes | 23:21 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, i can see.. i just found gpe in my debian repo, ill check it out there | 23:21 |
| lcuk | excellent guysoft :) | 23:22 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, looks nice.. the only think i miss is nice pics | 23:25 |
| lcuk | heh like i said last night, i dont use them, im just pleased you've found something to compare and test yourself so you will know if its right for you | 23:26 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, er - i can see gpe is still young.. by the shell output: http://pastebin.com/m27be713f | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | GuySoft: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014 has a lot of screenshots obviously, but nice to wander throug | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | h | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | from back when it was os2006-07 to now | 23:28 |
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| GuySoft | oh - another question - is there a good recorder on the device? | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | define recorder? | 23:29 |
| pupnik | ships with it | 23:29 |
| RST38h | moo all | 23:29 |
| pupnik | hi RST38h | 23:29 |
| * GuySoft from seeing gpe thinks its functional enough for him. | 23:29 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | arf RST38h | 23:30 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, that i can take the device, stick it in a class, and record a lecture | 23:30 |
| pupnik | yeah maemo recorder has good format for speech. i use it to record ideas/thoughts | 23:30 |
| lcuk | foo | 23:30 |
| lcuk | bar | 23:30 |
| lcuk | foo | 23:30 |
| lcuk | :P | 23:30 |
| lcuk | you can get past those then :D | 23:31 |
| GuySoft | pupnik, and what quality sound file can you get? i recorded music in the clie.. it sucked, but it was better than the average mp3 | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it depends on the microphone you use :P | 23:32 |
| * RST38h is off to watch Fatherland | 23:32 | |
| pupnik | yeah pretty much - don't know what the hardware will support (bitrate, word size) | 23:32 |
| pupnik | enjoy | 23:32 |
| GuySoft | Stskeeps, there is a microphone jack? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | there's a headset jack.. probably seperatable into mic + headphones | 23:33 |
| RST38h | nokia's headset jack is tripolar | 23:33 |
| RST38h | both in and out | 23:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft, the headphone socket works as one, the included headset has a small microphone on it too | 23:34 |
| shapr | Too bad the N800 headset jack doesn't separate in such a way to match the Bose Quiet Comfort 3 jack | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | My QC2s work just fine | 23:34 |
| * Stskeeps really just would like sane a2dp, so he could use his nice SE bluetooth headset with nice ear friendly earplugs | 23:34 | |
| desiv | I'm trying to get deblet going on a 770 and I'm having trouble with the usbnet part. I have my 770 connected to my desktop, choose deblet, select recover options (etherent, serial, etc), and I can't get my machine to see a usb0. Multiple distros, modprobe usbnet. I think I'm missing something.. | 23:36 |
| desiv | I have one of those usb network cables for connecting two pc's together, and when I plug that into my host, i get a usb0, so it feels like that's working.. | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | desiv: lsusb lists the nokia? | 23:37 |
| pupnik | aven't tried usbnet here | 23:38 |
| desiv | Not when booted into deblet. (having a thought .. ouch :-) I did a USB host mode mod awhile ago. So my tablet doesn't show up to my desktop in OS2006 unless I reset usb on the 770. Might I have to reflash my 770 to not host mode? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, set non-host mode :) | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | else it can't act as a gadget obviously | 23:39 |
| desiv | Dang it. I should have though of that.. :-( OK, I believe the phrase is.. DUH.. | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | "hmm, that's interesting" is the base of all science, not "eureka" (google for more precise quote of asimov..) | 23:40 |
| RST38h | "hm, what does this button do?" | 23:41 |
| RST38h | ;) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | which also adds into the whole science will cause doomsday argument | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, now, that's a naive quote by gordon brown, about travelling in the oil states of the middle east, and trying to rise money for the IMF, "but i also believe that people in the region will work together with us to become less dependant on oil and therefore getting more stable oil prices" | 23:44 |
| RST38h | the Button does normally cause the doomsday so no argument there | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | </odd observation> | 23:44 |
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| RST38h | Sts: That is what he wants us (and maybe himself) to believe | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Not necessarily the truth | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | All the keywords are there - "also believe", "work together" | 23:46 |
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| desiv | OK closer. I did that and now I get a usb0. And I gave it an IP (192.168.2.1), but when I ssh into 192.168.2.1, I ssh into my desktop, not the 770.. | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | 192.168.2.2 is the 770 | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | and telnet in ideally | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | at first | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | then ssh if that works | 23:48 |
| desiv | Dammit... I mean.. thanx, that did it... with telnet... | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | welcome to deblet. may your experience be like a LSD trip, may end in a bad trip | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:49 |
| desiv | :-) | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ARE existing applications written for hildon currently just going to stop working? will everything need major surgery to work in the new OS< or are we getting a menu system for the front end as well as a compositing manager? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: all good questions we have absolutely no fucking clue about | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:50 |
| shapr | GeneralAntilles: qc3s get a bad buzz, I haven't figured out why. | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: but i doubt they'll break standard hildon apps | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be platform suicide | 23:51 |
| lcuk | yes agreed | 23:51 |
| lcuk | so it really isnt doubling up on the work | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ive just put that on the thread | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | which, the future of tablets one? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | i have my doubts about those kind of threads.. quim had a good point saying that structured proposals are so much easier to deal with than long threads of discussions | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | an article / proposal about Developer Doubt for instance is much easier to deal with | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | documenting your horrorstory or fear of platform future | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | and what you'd like to see change | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | but in that respect it's hard to determine if it's what the rest of the community thinks too. On iTT it's easy cos of "thanks", but you'll only get criticism / discussion as answers, not "yes, you're damn right" | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | .. or something. bugtrackers can be used for this but it's not the easiest for community to start voting on (maemo.org login vs bugzilla login, for instance.) | 23:59 |
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