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| lcuk | lardman, is "Nilch" a preexisting app or the codename? | 00:22 |
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| GNUton | night | 00:22 |
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| lardman | a person | 00:22 |
| lardman | :) | 00:22 |
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| lardman | have changed it now | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | ahh cool | 00:26 |
| lcuk | ive added a general thing to the bottom | 00:26 |
| lcuk | and filled out some of the benefits of mcalendar :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | lbt, wheres shopper on this list of PIM stuff | 00:27 |
| lcuk | and do we have examples and pieces from other programs which can be included to help explain features | 00:28 |
| lardman | what's shopper? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | (like shoppers todo listing) | 00:28 |
| lcuk | shopper == shopping list | 00:28 |
| lardman | hmm, not sure that's really PIM | 00:29 |
| lardman | but I guess it's closish | 00:29 |
| lcuk | no, but it is one of the core elements | 00:29 |
| lardman | if you want examples please stick them in, screenshots, etc. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i know you are currently listing the integrated PIM systems as a whole, but some programs never get that far | 00:29 |
| lbt | lcuk :) | 00:30 |
| lardman | but not too technical at this point, more of an overview | 00:30 |
| lcuk | yeah im just thinking now | 00:30 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 00:30 |
| lcuk | if we can find the UI interactions which work to do the kinds of things required in a pim all the better | 00:31 |
| RST38h | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/29/eaheron129.xml | 00:31 |
| lcuk | like khertan trying to make his fingerfriendly | 00:31 |
| lcuk | thats important as already highlighted by the tiny gpe buttons | 00:31 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the thing is, did it taste like bacon? | 00:31 |
| lbt | chicken | 00:32 |
| lcuk | heh lbt ive never (that i know of) eaten rabbit | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | and i wouldprobably bake it with a few strips ontop as garnish ;) | 00:33 |
| lbt | it's not bad - you're not missing much | 00:34 |
| t_s_o | hey GeneralAntilles, do you happen to own a t-shirt with the print "do i look like a people person?!" on it? | 00:34 |
| lbt | lcuk: and shopper goes near calendar - future planning :) | 00:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I reckon it tasted like wet fur | 00:34 |
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| lbt | RST38h: well, chicken would taste like wet feathers if you prepared it like that so... | 00:35 |
| melmoth | lcuk: you _have_ to taste rabbit ! with mustard sausse. | 00:36 |
| lbt | anything with mustard tastes like anything else with mustard. Mustardy | 00:36 |
| lcuk | what if its bacon mustard? | 00:36 |
| lbt | bacon and mustard? | 00:36 |
| lbt | Mustardy | 00:36 |
| lcuk | bacony | 00:37 |
| lbt | Nah, mustard beats bacon | 00:37 |
| lbt | unless you're talking french mustard | 00:37 |
| lcuk | heh, its like scissors paper rock | 00:37 |
| lbt | which is wimpy | 00:37 |
| lbt | 'cos it's french | 00:37 |
| lcuk | mustard: the only thing in the universe that can kill bacon | 00:37 |
| melmoth | what can be found in england as "french mustard" has nothing to do with french mustard. | 00:38 |
| melmoth | actually, our mustard taste more like "english mustard" | 00:38 |
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| melmoth | you can find 'maille' mustard at saintsburry last time i checked. This is proper french mustard. | 00:38 |
| melmoth | now, find a proper rabbit ! | 00:38 |
| lbt | That's what I have :) | 00:38 |
| lardman | squirrel? | 00:39 |
| lbt | (I like it really - Maille+cream on steak !) | 00:39 |
| RST38h | american grey squirrel? | 00:39 |
| lbt | Fluffy rat | 00:39 |
| lardman | yes, larger, meatier, not illegal to eatier | 00:39 |
| lbt | OK, fluffy cute rat. | 00:39 |
| lardman | Hugh was eating squirrel tonight | 00:39 |
| lbt | we have lots of squirrels here - are they really good to eat? | 00:40 |
| lardman | sounded ok, see if you can find a copy of this: http://www.channel4.com/food/on-tv/river-cottage/river-cottage-autumn/episode-3-landshare-and-foraging-08-10-30_p_1.html | 00:40 |
| lardman | hmm, sounds different: http://www.channel4.com/food/recipes/chefs/tommi-miers/spiced-squirrel-popcorn-recipe-07-10-16_p_1.html | 00:41 |
| lbt | I guess you're supposed to skin it; not eat it a-la-Heron ? | 00:42 |
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| RST38h | lbt: naah | 00:42 |
| lardman | yeah, I think take the intensines out too | 00:42 |
| RST38h | And I would sugget against catching one by it tail: they DO manage to bite you | 00:42 |
| RST38h | (yes, a friend tried) | 00:43 |
| lbt | Oh, when you said popcorn I figured you left them in and microwaved it... | 00:43 |
| lardman | yeah, I was wondering too | 00:43 |
| lardman | the recipe this evening was for a stew-sort of thing though, looked pretty tasty | 00:43 |
| RST38h | of course you can't serve it whole | 00:44 |
| RST38h | because then everyone would see what it is, but stew is fine | 00:44 |
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| lardman | lcuk: I did some tidying up of the PIM page | 00:46 |
| lbt | lardman: URL? | 00:46 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM | 00:47 |
| lardman | going to boot Linux and do some coding, bbiam | 00:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~wtf bbiam | 00:49 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what bbiam means... | 00:49 |
| lbt | be back in a minute | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, thanks | 00:49 |
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| lardman | re | 00:51 |
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| lbt | added some + for gpe-cal | 00:54 |
| lardman | cool, thanks :) | 00:54 |
| lardman | it's with reference to Quim's post here: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24654 | 00:55 |
| lbt | also, FWIW, I got egroupware setup on a xen vm and acting as central calendar for my various linux desktops/laptops/nokia for me+ the missus | 00:56 |
| lbt | I just dl'ed the 1.6rc3 version to see about fixing a korganiser bug | 00:57 |
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| lbt | gpe has a real bug which kills egroupware though - it deletes entire calendars!!! | 00:57 |
| lardman | I'm afraid I don;t know a lot about PIM stuff, just what I'd like | 00:57 |
| lbt | s/gpe/gpe-cal/ | 00:57 |
| infobot | lbt meant: gpe-cal has a real bug which kills egroupware though - it deletes entire calendars!!! | 00:57 |
| lbt | me neither :) | 00:57 |
| lardman | in fact I'm just shepherding the flock here to get them to produce some useful info | 00:57 |
| lbt | I read the iCal RFC today | 00:57 |
| lardman | This is a bug in its iCal output? | 00:58 |
| lbt | dunno - I'm getting the source for the various calendars - egw, korganiser and gpe-cal | 00:59 |
| lbt | oh, and iceowl | 00:59 |
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| lbt | then I'll see what's what. | 00:59 |
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| lbt | slapd? | 01:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jott, hey, if you ever make it back to Earth :p, just wanted to let you know that with hildon-application-manager 2.1.20 + red pill, your rotation install file works flawlessly with the app man treating it as a ssu update and flashing the kernel and rebooting | 01:09 |
| * lcuk read an email the other day where jott was mentioned, and not in past tense either | 01:14 | |
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| lcuk | who wants a slice of home made pizza? | 01:16 |
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| woglinde | lcuk me | 01:17 |
| lcuk | k ill email it to you | 01:17 |
| woglinde | haha | 01:17 |
| woglinde | then its cold | 01:17 |
| lcuk | cold pizza is the best | 01:17 |
| woglinde | and not tasty anymore | 01:17 |
| woglinde | nope | 01:18 |
| lcuk | ok ok - ill instant message it you | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | it will still be hot | 01:18 |
| lcuk | what you upto tonight then woglinde? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | apart from sittin around waiting for pizza | 01:19 |
| woglinde | still assigment | 01:19 |
| woglinde | sucking theroetical compuer science | 01:19 |
| * lardman had far too much home-made pizza earlier tonight | 01:19 | |
| woglinde | hm I only need algorithm for fibuonacci numbers with fast matrix multiply | 01:20 |
| woglinde | so we can show it runs in O(logn) | 01:20 |
| woglinde | hahaha | 01:20 |
| lcuk | cant you just make your computer ask google for the answer | 01:20 |
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| * lcuk thinks 3 slices was too much - woglinde i think you really are havin some pizza | 01:21 | |
| woglinde | I am afraid google cant scope with the search terms | 01:21 |
| lcuk | no, it copes fine, its you that can't cope with the answers it gives :P | 01:22 |
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| moontiger | *sigh* the maemo.org website is slow as molasses agin | 01:22 |
| woglinde | hm seems 2nd google hit is okay | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | its cos we are all hammering the wiki | 01:23 |
| lcuk | heheheheheh | 01:23 |
| lbt | added slapd to PIM page | 01:24 |
| woglinde | barks golden ratio again | 01:24 |
| lcuk | woglinde, if i need something specific i look here first to get me the available options http://www.scriptol.org/list-of-algorithms.html | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | allnameswereout also compiled the osmo organiser too | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | excellent lbt, thats the sort of thing i was talkin about - core elements :) | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | all this talk of sync - ive got 2 browser windows up, and both have a copy of the same page viewed | 01:27 |
| lcuk | why doesnt my browser have an option to ensure all instances of same page are refreshed at same time | 01:28 |
| woglinde | lcuk there is no algo with fast multiply | 01:28 |
| woglinde | args +matrix | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | what do you mean by fast multiply - 16bit numbers, 32 bit? arbitrary precision? floats? ints? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | and which language | 01:29 |
| woglinde | fast matrix multipy | 01:29 |
| woglinde | if you want to get the power of something | 01:30 |
| woglinde | its faster to multiply matrizes instead of multiply eachtime | 01:31 |
| woglinde | the same value | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | cant you just use the built in floating point pwr() function? | 01:32 |
| lcuk | or whatever it is called | 01:32 |
| woglinde | nono | 01:32 |
| lbt | night all | 01:32 |
| woglinde | its not technical | 01:32 |
| lcuk | gnite lbt | 01:32 |
| woglinde | its theoretical | 01:32 |
| lcuk | what sort of numbers are we talking about? | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | mega didgit primes or reasonable ~64bit values | 01:33 |
| woglinde | fibonacci | 01:33 |
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| woglinde | lol | 01:33 |
| woglinde | I said its not technical | 01:33 |
| woglinde | register are irrelvant | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | no but that indicates theoretical speed - you normally only need to breakdown calculations into matrixes for multiplication of arbitrary precision numbers, its worthless under a certain threshold | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | ie what would the matric for doing 3^3 be? | 01:35 |
| lardman | night lbt | 01:35 |
| woglinde | you can compute fibonacci numbers with | 01:35 |
| woglinde | 2x2 matrix (1 1, 1 0) | 01:35 |
| woglinde | hm I will give a fuck on that | 01:37 |
| woglinde | we have the other stuff right | 01:37 |
| woglinde | so one subquestion not to be solved should be okay | 01:37 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:37 |
| lcuk | just write something like "I have discovered a truly marvellous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain." | 01:38 |
| woglinde | nope if they find out I took an answer from google, the whole assigment is marked as failed | 01:40 |
| derf | But taking it from IRC is okay? | 01:40 |
| lardman | is there not a sqlite3_column_float() fn? | 01:40 |
| derf | It's not actually a hard problem. | 01:40 |
| woglinde | derf hehe | 01:40 |
| derf | What's the direct formula for the nth Fibonacci number? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | derf, irc is discussion | 01:40 |
| woglinde | http://everything2.com/e2node/Compute%2520Fibonacci%2520numbers%2520FAST%2521 | 01:43 |
| woglinde | but we are handling the tex file with git | 01:45 |
| woglinde | so okay | 01:45 |
| woglinde | I will go to bed | 01:45 |
| woglinde | nite | 01:45 |
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| lardman | how are dates and times stored? | 01:48 |
| lardman | date could be days since some date, so an unsigned integer | 01:48 |
| lardman | time could be seconds in the day, so same, but are the two ever combined? | 01:49 |
| lardman | in a floating point number for example? | 01:49 |
| woglinde | lardman hm on unix its always seconds | 01:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, thats how im used to seeing datetimes | 01:49 |
| woglinde | after 1970 | 01:49 |
| lardman | woglinde: ah, ok | 01:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: same here from the old days | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | "The way DateTimes are stored and retrieved from Sqlite databases depends on a lot, unfortunately, because Sqlite doesn't have a way of storing datetimes natively. Further, there are two versions of Sqlite (2 and 3) which are treated differently when it comes to DateTimes. The recommended way of using DateTimes with Sqlite is to encode/decode them yourself to/from some particular integer string format that you decide, and not putting | 01:51 |
| lcuk | them into a DATE or DATETIME column. | 01:51 |
| woglinde | hihi | 01:52 |
| lardman | right, I was going to use a uint | 01:52 |
| woglinde | so | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Database/Miscellaneous/Q_21963308.html | 01:52 |
| lardman | cheers | 01:52 |
| lcuk | gonna need it myself soon anyway | 01:52 |
| lcuk | im bringing the db stuff back form the dead - ive had enough of files i tihnk | 01:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, what version of sqlite is installed? | 01:54 |
| lcuk | http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki/wiki?p=DateAndTimeFunctions and http://www.somacon.com/p370.php | 01:55 |
| lardman | no idea, yet :) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:55 |
| lardman | think I'll stick with Linux-style dates anyway | 01:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: I write as much as possible, then test | 01:56 |
| lcuk | heh i prefer to see what im doin with little test blocks then make use of known good code ;) | 01:56 |
| lardman | nah, that's what printf is for! | 01:56 |
| lcuk | thank the segfault lord | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | lardman, do you use firefox? | 02:00 |
| lardman | yes | 02:03 |
| lcuk | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 | 02:03 |
| lardman | interesting | 02:04 |
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| EgS | I always used: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki/wiki?p=DateAndTimeFunctions and http://www.somacon.com/p370.php | 02:06 |
| EgS | no idea, yet :) | 02:06 |
| EgS | heh | 02:06 |
| EgS | think I'll stick with Linux-style dates anyway | 02:06 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah should make it a bit easier to design with | 02:06 |
| EgS | lcuk: I write as much as possible, then test | 02:06 |
| EgS | heh i prefer to see what im doin with little test blocks then make use of known good code ;) | 02:06 |
| EgS | nah, that's what printf is for! | 02:06 |
| EgS | thank the segfault lord | 02:06 |
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| EgS | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh sorry | 02:06 |
| lardman | hmmmmm :) | 02:06 |
| EgS | http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ <-- that I wanted to post :( | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | EgS :D you nearly got yourself booted | 02:07 |
| lcuk | thanks for link though lol | 02:08 |
| lcuk | i like the firefox one actually, mozilla have been pushing for real development within their framework - thats the first time ive seen it | 02:08 |
| lardman | are sqlite dbs platform agnostic? | 02:08 |
| lcuk | hopefully, the code is | 02:09 |
| EgS | lcuk: jeah I really need to put in some paste protection into quassel... -.- | 02:09 |
| lardman | yeah, but the data itself? | 02:09 |
| lcuk | ill see if i can find out - would be good if it is | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | makes sync and backup and sharing easier | 02:09 |
| lcuk | "e with multiple tables, indices, triggers, and views, is contained in a single disk file. The database file format is cross-platform - you can freely copy a database between 32-bit and 64-bit systems or between big-endian and little-endian architectures." | 02:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.sqlite.org/about.html | 02:13 |
| lardman | cool, thanks lcuk | 02:13 |
| lcuk | thats VERY cool actually :) | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | sqlite == access for a more refined society ;) | 02:15 |
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| solca | ~flasher | 03:13 |
| infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 03:13 |
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| lcuk | is anyone familiar with the deep internals of gtk+ | 03:33 |
| lcuk | im tempted to see how much work it would take to render gtk applications on the Xv plane | 03:33 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: you around? | 04:28 |
| Luria | anyone using the wimax n810 in nyc? | 04:29 |
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| bef0rd | pandora got 256 mb of ram | 04:45 |
| bef0rd | sweet | 04:45 |
| Luria | when did that happen | 04:46 |
| Luria | (just saw the post on the forums) | 04:46 |
| Luria | iow, ff will work | 04:46 |
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| closet | Has anyone managed to get UPNP music sharing working over OpenVPN from a windows machine to a tablet? I may just be too tired, but I can see why it doesn't work... :\ | 05:09 |
| closet | s/can/can't/ | 05:09 |
| infobot | closet meant: Has anyone managed to get UPNP music sharing working over OpenVPN from a windows machine to a tablet? I may just be too tired, but I can't see why it doesn't work... :\ | 05:09 |
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| `0660 | closet, the problem is with your multicasting | 05:17 |
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| `0660 | at least in linux multicast addresses are routed to eth0 by default | 05:21 |
| `0660 | closet, question 6 might have the answer for you: http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/multicast-FAQ | 05:21 |
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| closet | thanks `0606, I'll check that out :) | 05:37 |
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| closet | that did the trick! thanks so much! for the log, I just had to do "route add -net 224.0.0.0 netmask 240.0.0.0 dev tap0", where tap0 is the interface to my vpn. now I can enjoy all my music around campus :) | 05:55 |
| Luria | damn didnt know that | 05:56 |
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| Luria | i rarely use multicast, but ill add that to my server's conf route pushing | 05:57 |
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| Luria | closet, why dont you use openvpn push? | 06:02 |
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| closet | just didn't know you could do it that way; simpler than doing it by hand though, so I'll have to try it | 06:04 |
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| Luria | closet, you can even force clients to use the vpn for all ip traffic | 06:37 |
| Luria | no more proxy needed | 06:37 |
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| lopz | night | 06:56 |
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| * Stskeeps clings to his coffee machine | 08:19 | |
| * johnx is re-heating coffee right now :) | 08:23 | |
| RST38h | ehlo johnx | 08:23 |
| johnx | ahoy | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Seen a post about Entertainer on the Planet? | 08:39 |
| RST38h | Any idea where this app came from? I did not hear about it before | 08:39 |
| johnx | haven't looked at my rss feeds yet | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett has been working on it for the past month or so. | 08:41 |
| johnx | more than that it seems | 08:41 |
| johnx | so GeneralAntilles, I revise my prediction about the n900 only having 128MB of RAM in light of some recent events :) | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8 months is a long time | 08:43 |
| * Stskeeps listens to the Maemo & Mamona talk | 08:43 | |
| Pavlov | heh | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | picoprojector, kthx too | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really hope they do away with the itsy-bitsy built-in NAND. | 08:43 |
| johnx | my new prediction goes something like: 256MB RAM / 512MB NAND | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | 512m nand would really make some interesting things possible | 08:44 |
| johnx | that would put it in line with another OMAP3 based device yet-to-be-released | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if they could fit some sort of digital video connector on it without upping size too much. | 08:44 |
| johnx | as in firewire? or ... ? | 08:44 |
| Pavlov | 2gb would be nice | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | HDMI or somesuch | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should just totally do away with the unmanaged NAND | 08:45 |
| Pavlov | with a quad core cortex a9 | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8-32GB eMMC | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | a connector like on the beagle could be a possibility | 08:45 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's a bad idea | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | (the dvi/hdmi) | 08:45 |
| johnx | also, I sincerely doubt we'll see any omap3 device with a built in lcd and digital video out | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, why is that a bad idea? | 08:46 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, integrating the wear leveling with the fs means you don't have to be completely stupid about how you handle things | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 08:47 |
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| johnx | fs says: write 1KB of date -> card erases 64KB and writes 64KB | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also currently limits you to about 512MB. | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even that is likely to be a bit slow with jffs2 | 08:48 |
| johnx | there are other filesystems besides jffs2 | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not many at shipping quality. | 08:48 |
| johnx | there are lots of interesting things just arriving right now, and 8 months is a long time for them to stabilize | 08:48 |
| johnx | it's not like they can't switch filesystems opportunistically if a good one shows up | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: nokia should embrace pervasive computing and make a market for inexpensive networked devices, such as .. ok, you need a dvi connector, make something that communicates over wifi and shows/streams your display to it :P | 09:07 |
| johnx | they could call it an "X server"! | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | but inexpensive | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | like, 10$ ish | 09:07 |
| johnx | hmm | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | or the screen should be networked | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:08 |
| johnx | like an x terminal from the 80's? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 09:08 |
| johnx | except with some proprietary nokia protocol? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | open | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, im off to work :P | 09:08 |
| johnx | alright | 09:08 |
| johnx | and I'll figure out why matchbox-panel-2 seqfaults ... grrrr | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | How feasible would video out be over USB on OMAP3 hardware, I wonder. . . . | 09:09 |
| johnx | my initial thought is *not very* based on how bad it's supposed to be on incredibly fast modern desktops | 09:10 |
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| johnx | it would be entirely possible for the n900 to have s-video though without much cost/effort IIUC | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | composite would probably make more sense | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | as they can slap that on the 3.5mm jack | 09:11 |
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| johnx | suppose so | 09:12 |
| johnx | I guess I should have said "some kind of analog output" | 09:12 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello | 09:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Rating-view-mockup.png | 10:27 |
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| vincenzo88 | I have a problem with my scratchbox when i try to compile a qt4 project (i have installed the libs). I have this error message : "mmap: Permission denied". Someone have a solution ? | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
| vincenzo88 | hi | 10:45 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, looks nice. | 10:51 |
| hrw | morning | 10:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png | 11:08 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nice | 11:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe add a button to the toolbar for adding a rating or comment. | 11:10 |
| johnx | very nice GeneralAntilles | 11:12 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think all extra features should go on a separate product page. | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | "extra features"? | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So you have a details page. | 11:24 |
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| X-Fade | Where you can see comments, rating, number for downloads, screenshot. | 11:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, now we have a list of packages with an info button that brings up a dialog | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | yeah, or just clicking on it. | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | No dialog btw. | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | Just a new view? | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | Dialogs should be banned on the device. | 11:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm proposing that we have a list of packages with an info button (or something else) that brings up a new view | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we should put some tabs at the top. | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | Isn't that what the breadcrumb is for? | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the info view | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still want to see what repository it came from, dependencies, maintainer (apt-cache stuff), etc. | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | As well as the screenshots, description, comments | 11:28 |
| X-Fade | Ah yeah, well that can be tabbed. | 11:28 |
| sp3000 | or scroll | 11:28 |
| X-Fade | Main features on first tab. hacker features on other tabs. | 11:28 |
| sp3000 | scrolling sucks for ui-ish things, but that sounds content-ish | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, right. | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | I think the current dialog has a good idea for that. | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | Although the summary should be more end-user friendly. | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll need to push package maintainers for better descriptions. | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | Or fetch from maemo.org? | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | In that same meta-data xml? | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's still mostly the maintainers | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | Sure, but because /downloads/ is more like a wiki. Others can do that too. | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | True | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see, maybe. | 11:31 |
| X-Fade | if size(package-maintainer-description > maemo-org-desc) :) | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some maintainers may object to having a random description used. | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | Don't try to find problems before they are there.. | 11:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 11:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta think ahead | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | You will always have a few people that will object. | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | Think 80-20 :) | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Client's in retard mode | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | brb | 11:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My cloak's expired already? | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crazy. . . . | 11:36 |
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| StsN800 | http://blog.wikiring.com/Blog/BlogEntry28 <- damn, and i thought i had seen bad things | 11:38 |
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| yacoob | StsN800, you mean the actual situation, or the "dramatic" tone of the entry? | 11:42 |
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| StsN800 | well, dramatic.. ive never been much for community wars or the whole trademark crap | 11:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles declares community war on Stskeeps. | 11:46 | |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, i just stop coding and caring and move on usually :P | 11:48 |
| StsN800 | cos then its not the product but the meta stuff anymore | 11:49 |
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| StsN800 | (really dont care much for politics, just architecture and system developer friendliness | 11:52 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 12:25 |
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| lardman | dneary: ping | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: no route to host? :D | 12:31 |
| dneary | phew | 12:31 |
| dneary | lardman: pong | 12:31 |
| lardman | :) | 12:31 |
| lardman | dneary: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238095&postcount=24 | 12:32 |
| lardman | how does one create a maemo.org account? | 12:32 |
| lardman | last line of that post | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | Which I hope is you? :) | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | argh ;) | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "use your garage account" line disappeared from the login page. | 12:32 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm maybe that is because of the http change. | 12:33 |
| dneary | lardman: Typically, it's clicking on "Create account" on any page in maemo.org | 12:35 |
| dneary | For the wiki, you just need to log in with your maemo.org account name & password | 12:36 |
| lardman | righty ho | 12:36 |
| dneary | I guess we should link to the maemo.org account creation page | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It had, previously. | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | I don't think anybody changed the wiki? | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Haven't seen it at least? | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the link that (ferenc?) put up there disappeared. | 12:36 |
| vincenzo88 | I have a problem when i try to compiling a Qt4 project with some files (one file works). When i do qmake commande i have this message : "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting". Someone have a solution ? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | vincenzo88: This is because of a qemu bug. | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 | 12:37 |
| lardman | dneary: thanks, have replied | 12:37 |
| vincenzo88 | Have you a solution to resolve this bug ? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | vincenzo88: No, there is some work going on for that I believe. | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Do you know if the qemu thing has been fixed? | 12:38 |
| vincenzo88 | X-fake: ok thanks | 12:39 |
| Mek | X-Fade: no idea, didn't have much time recently do do anything maemo related | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | vincenzo88: a newer qemu from cvs might be a solution. | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | vincenzo88: But I'm not in the loop for that, so I don't know. | 12:40 |
| Mek | if you're just using qmake you shold be able to use the qemu-cvs-m version that comes with scratchbox | 12:40 |
| dneary | lardman: It's already there in the login form: "Don't have a login? Please create an account at garage.maemo.org." | 12:41 |
| lardman | ah ok | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | lardman: pong | 12:44 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa | 12:44 |
| lardman | did you see my response re agps? | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | I did. | 12:47 |
| lardman | off the top of my head, a pixel is ~50x50miles, so you'd need some accurate tapping | 12:48 |
| lardman | I seem to remember that the ephemerides are valid over a range of a few hundred miles or so | 12:49 |
| lardman | but I agree, more info from the app, or ideally the source code itself | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | And I wonder how fast it would deteriorate if you move a few hunderd more. | 12:49 |
| lardman | not very quickly, as you'll still have sats in view, | 12:50 |
| lcuk | visible from orbit mmmmmm | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | yeah, so basically your part of the globe would be ok ;) | 12:50 |
| lcuk | mmmmorning o/ | 12:50 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: well that's my understanding, but who really knows!? :) | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well that is something one can test. | 12:51 |
| lcuk | my bet is that the nice interface and time it takes to click an area just distracts the user | 12:51 |
| lcuk | giving gps time to kick in ;) | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Just click somewhere in the center of europe and see if that fix takes longer than nearer to your home. | 12:51 |
| lardman | ah, just checked my email. Nice to see some info from Marko | 12:52 |
| melmoth | agps never made any difference with the gps locking time here (with or without internet connexion) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | x-fade, but its so random already, it took me halfway to work before i got a lock this morning, yesterday it was on before i got down the street | 12:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: atm it takes forever for me, there's another underlying issue, perhaps related to nvd_data corruption | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Cloudy day doesn't help either. | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Try wiping the file? | 12:54 |
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| lardman | I know, too many variables though | 12:54 |
| * lcuk never though of normal clouds gettin in the way | 12:55 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, empty is always a good point to start with ;) | 12:55 |
| lcuk | does it work better in the daytime as well - afterall then we can see the sky | 12:55 |
| lardman | should also work better if you face slightly south | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I think clouds can.. | 12:55 |
| lardman | yeah, they degrade the signal strength | 12:56 |
| lcuk | do you recommend wearing sandles or full shoes to get a lock? | 12:56 |
| lardman | metal soles | 12:56 |
| lcuk | steel toecaps? | 12:56 |
| lcuk | or do they interfere? | 12:56 |
| lardman | the south thing is true though :) look at the distribution of satellite orbits, etc | 12:56 |
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| * lcuk_web has been kicked off computer so missus can look at pumpkins \@/ | 12:59 | |
| lardman | cnc machining faces in them? | 13:00 |
| lcuk_web | heh no, but i guess you saw that one | 13:00 |
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| lcuk_web | they have a production line going on - kids are gutting them, tracy is gonna davinci em | 13:01 |
| lardman | apparently it's not the water vapour, but ice & other particles/aerosols which interfere (or solid water) | 13:01 |
| lardman | s/solid/liquid | 13:01 |
| lcuk_web | high altitude clouds | 13:01 |
| lardman | doh | 13:01 |
| lardman | or raining ones | 13:01 |
| lcuk_web | thunder cells | 13:01 |
| lardman | yeah, noise producers | 13:02 |
| lcuk_web | i suppose solid water will also have an impact (I wonder if we could find a word to describe solid water?) | 13:02 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder | 13:03 |
| lcuk_web | are u havin a lazy weekend this time, or are you all rushed again? | 13:03 |
| lardman | why not go for something with absolutely no shared letters, as the two look different, and fewer letters too as the solid type is less dense? | 13:03 |
| lardman | what about c-i-e? | 13:04 |
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| lardman | lazy, hope to do more coding on barcode | 13:04 |
| lcuk_web | cool, im hopin to get a bit of a ui designer in place | 13:05 |
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| lcuk_web | though im out drinking and christening and other stuff - oh and goin seein bond | 13:05 |
| * lcuk_web just realised hes actually got a full weekend | 13:06 | |
| lardman | yes, I want to see bond | 13:06 |
| lcuk_web | takin luke, it looks excellent | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out already? | 13:07 |
| lcuk_web | tracy spent half of this morning on ticketmaster, take that are comin back | 13:07 |
| lardman | for once | 13:07 |
| lcuk_web | GeneralAntilles: has premier yesterday or so | 13:07 |
| lardman | it being British and all | 13:07 |
| t_s_o | bah, why do i bother reading all the negative press about the aigo and the linux variant found on it... | 13:09 |
| lcuk_web | by the way, if i were to make a kinetic calendat, how many years either side of now should i go? | 13:09 |
| lcuk_web | calendar even | 13:09 |
| lardman | cool, must be the fastest resolved bug ever :) | 13:10 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3833 | 13:10 |
| lcuk_web | wow lardman :) result | 13:12 |
| lardman | it was probably already out there actually | 13:12 |
| lardman | nice to see people takling though | 13:12 |
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| lcuk_web | yeah, as quim has said, ask reasonable questions and they will try to give reasonable answers | 13:15 |
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| yerga | X-Fade, help! ;) | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | yerga: I can't hide from you, can I ;) | 14:01 |
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| yerga | no ;) | 14:02 |
| yerga | for some reason I can't upload screenshots to sharepy downloads page | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | yerga: Are there any error messages? | 14:03 |
| yerga | nothing | 14:03 |
| yerga | I mean it upload the files | 14:03 |
| yerga | but when I hit the save button | 14:03 |
| yerga | it disappear | 14:03 |
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| X-Fade | yerga: I'll check. We change the storage of these blobs last week, so there might be a problem with that. | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | Although I see your screenshots in the static cache. | 14:09 |
| yerga | ok, thanks. | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | sharepylist etc? | 14:09 |
| yerga | yeah | 14:09 |
| yerga | I tried changing the name | 14:09 |
| yerga | the format, etc. | 14:09 |
| yerga | with other browsers | 14:09 |
| yerga | and same result | 14:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What other ideas am I missing for Application manager features from the list for Fremantle? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager#Goals_for_Fremantle | 14:28 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm. My karma has lost 200 points in the last couple of days, and now dates from - as far as I can tell - 16th May 2008. | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | But it's using some fscked up USian date format, so who knows... | 14:33 |
| RST38h | it is deflating! | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: have new karma calculations been deployed? | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is recalculating, but it is doing things in small batches. | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | And there might have been higher counts in the past because of duplicate runs. | 14:35 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ah, perhaps it's worth some kind of marker on the page if you access it whilst it's updating? | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Recalc will finish in 2 days orso. Let's see if it is ok then. | 14:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that's no US date format. | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Looks great, if we can get all that then I'm pretty pleased :) | 14:38 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: MM/dd/yy is US, isn't it | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe add: _no_ _dialogs_ _ever_ ;) | 14:39 |
| RST38h | it is | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know my karma has been updated more recently than 05/09/08 | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | So clearly that September 5th, 2008. | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | %x %X . | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | That is the format. | 14:40 |
| RST38h | 02/28/08 | 14:40 |
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| Jaffa | It should be ISO8601 and use yyyy-MM-dd to prevent confusion (as Bugzilla is) | 14:42 |
| RST38h | how is it better other than for sorting purposes? | 14:43 |
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| Jaffa | From what dneary was saying before about the karma calc, I think it's fundmamentally broken in terms of implementation | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | I'll change the date format. Just a moment ;) | 14:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It's most-significant -> least significant, there's no confusion between dd/MM/yy and MM/dd/yy | 14:44 |
| Jaffa | If it says 02/03/04 that could be at least three commonly used formats. So 2004-03-02 is clear as, in that format, there's never a yyyy-dd-MM format. | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does somebody want to ponder out the specifics of the subcategories implementation and add it to the Fremantle goals? | 14:45 |
| herwood | hi | 14:48 |
| * Jaffa had his ponder. I can expand on it, or people can do their own version. | 14:48 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Better now? | 14:48 |
| herwood | has anyone ever implemented a program which would use wlan ad-hoc? | 14:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No wonder the damn wiki wouldn't load | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | the goddamn cable's out again. | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | herwood, my entire network is adhoc | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: much better, ta. | 14:56 |
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| herwood | lcuk: I don't know much about wlan stuff, but I was just wondering that is it hard to configure two tablets into ad-hoc? | 14:57 |
| herwood | I mean in the program | 14:57 |
| herwood | is there some kind of API etc to control the wlan? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | no, its adhoc | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | the network is created when the first adapter shouts its name from the roof tops (with passwords etc) | 14:58 |
| lcuk | others can join that network or not - its all under the same wifi connection stuff | 14:59 |
| herwood | hmm | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | "free wireless internet" is a popular adhoc network | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | ive got 2 tablets, a desktop and a laptop | 15:00 |
| herwood | allright, that sounds good | 15:00 |
| lcuk | no router - if i enable wifi on any device its there | 15:00 |
| lcuk | if another device comes into the group great! | 15:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps lcuk with $50 for a router. | 15:01 | |
| lcuk | so i can just connect my 2 n810s when they are nearby - wherever that may be (made great use of it in berlin) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | but your router wont do that ^ | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having a router doesn't prevent you from using adhoc when you're not around it. | 15:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It also means you wont get shit battery life when you use wifi. | 15:02 |
| lcuk | whiteboarding by quantum entanglment is good | 15:02 |
| herwood | so who controls the devices in adhoc-mode? | 15:02 |
| herwood | is there some sort of "host" | 15:02 |
| lcuk | the devices | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | herwood, look up the definition of adhoc. ;) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | ad-hoc :: winging it :: no script | 15:02 |
| herwood | so, if you try to join in the adhoc, you'll have to have same passwords etc | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a p2p network | 15:02 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:02 |
| herwood | ok, i'll take a look at the specs, if I find them | 15:03 |
| herwood | thanks guys | 15:03 |
| lcuk | and doubly make sure your passwords are right, cos you wont get errors about them | 15:03 |
| lcuk | it just wont work | 15:03 |
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| herwood | ok | 15:03 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: What was I saying about the karma calculation? | 15:23 |
| dneary | My understanding is in wiki.maemo.org/Karma | 15:23 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: That everything was recalculated every time, and that there was no "updating" of existing records | 15:26 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:33 |
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| dneary | Ah | 15:48 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Yeah, that's my understanding | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | hm, how much stuff is on a typical os2008/diablo image when it's uncompressed, like, amounts of actual uncompressed files? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering how much they're managed to squeeze through | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | (.. guess i can look for myself :P) | 15:49 |
| r2d2rogers | good morning | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | morning, - i'm taking bus home and taking dishes at home so i'll be here in an hour or so | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | then i'll prod you :P | 15:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'm able to boot to the console mode if I hold down the home key now | 15:50 |
| r2d2rogers | sounds good | 15:50 |
| r2d2rogers | have a safe trip | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: sounds good :) usbnet too? | 15:51 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah, when I learn how to use it ;) | 15:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that's a good question.. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | it seems to me many nokia people are on launchpad already | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | hence part of my fremantle ubuntu conspiracy | 15:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | oh god | 16:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles notices tz1 in the Application manager history | 16:07 | |
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| yerga | GeneralAntilles, I did a new patch for the repository thing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238173#post238173 | 16:14 |
| yerga | Now it differentiate between extras and extras-devel | 16:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | yerga, I wonder about making it "pretty" to reduce the user-scare-factor | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | A Maemo-Display-Name sort of deal except for repository. | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice to tag stuff as "Development quality" if it's in Extras-devel somewhere here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do we have a Proposal: namespace? | 16:25 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, thats a interesting mockup indeed | 16:31 |
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| t_s_o | hey yerga, do you think it would be possible to automate the postings from wordpy so that if it detects a hotspot it will autoconnect and upload pending blog entries? | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, just toss 'em in Task: | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | {{task|proposed}} | 16:35 |
| t_s_o | hmm, never mind, i see its in the roadmap for 0.8 | 16:36 |
| yerga | t_s_o, possible it would be | 16:36 |
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| yerga | the roadmap is a bit outdated | 16:36 |
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| t_s_o | heh, maybe so | 16:36 |
| yerga | the idea is good | 16:36 |
| yerga | but wordpy would be open to detect it | 16:36 |
| yerga | should be open | 16:37 |
| yerga | or some applet or something similar | 16:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seems like alarmd should support something like that. | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | what's the great deal about ogg/theora support again? :P if there's hooks to introduce other codecs, then good | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i like ogg and yes it's nice to listen to, but it's a codec, not a religion :P) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a religion. | 16:45 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: you can add whatever codecs you like but the built-in apps seems to have hardcoded list of codecs they support | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every day Nokia doesn't ship OGG, it's like they've killed a kitten. | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't be surprised if an OGG zealot out there actually was killing kittens until Nokia ships OGG. :P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: true - then itch and write a better media player? the one in maemo isn't exactly good :P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | i like the radio channel stuff and so on but rest.. ick | 16:47 |
| t_s_o | ogg to some is like the GPL to gnu ;) | 16:47 |
| * Stskeeps hugs his /whois | 16:47 | |
| t_s_o | ? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | had "death to all gnubies" as my gecos on irc since my first time encountering debian-legal and minions :) | 16:48 |
| t_s_o | :P | 16:48 |
| melmoth | Stskeeps: the great deal is.. as most distro do not ship mp3 encoder for legal reason, most of my music is in encoded in ogg. | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | melmoth: i used to have most of my music in ogg as well but not anymore | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. because i stopped buying cds, but that's another thing | 16:48 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: We have already written kilikali ;) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: worst part is that it kinda looks like it's more user friendly than the media player.. :P | 16:50 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: The Xiph.Org Foundation officially protests the killing of any kittens. | 16:50 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: do you mean the old UI or the new one..? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh, old one, just saw the new one | 16:50 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Also, Ogg is not an acronym. Since you like to be so pedantic. | 16:51 |
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| woglinde | hi | 16:52 |
| glass | i'm for kitten euthanasia | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: good form on wiki is drafting in own user namespace and then moving to main namespace? | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, eh, doesn't much matter. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I started it in my userspace because I wasn't after a "stone soup" sort of deal | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had my own vision that I didn't want a bunch of crazies intruding on. ;) | 16:53 |
| * Stskeeps is planning on starting the Maemo "Reconstructed" page and would love a bunch of crazies | 16:53 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're after input and collaboration, then don't put it in your userspace. | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | (is Maemo "Reconstructed" against trademark policy? :P) | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | More or less | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't worry too much about it for a wiki task, though. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:56 |
| * r2d2rogers figured out the usbnetworking for deblet now | 16:56 | |
| Stskeeps | alright, sounds good | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | you telnet'ed in then? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | (or ssh) | 16:56 |
| r2d2rogers | yessir | 16:56 |
| r2d2rogers | telnet fist | 16:57 |
| r2d2rogers | can switch | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's fine | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | do you have connectivity from 770 to the net through usbnet? | 16:57 |
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| r2d2rogers | not yet | 16:57 |
| r2d2rogers | is there any handy guide I can follow so you don't have to baby step me through that? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: We might want to look at the proposed text. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: what OS do you link up with? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: btw Help:Editing not existing on wiki is kinda annoying | 16:59 |
| r2d2rogers | ubuntu | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: sec | 16:59 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, it died a few weeks after the wiki was created. :\ | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should probably just link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~wiki-cheat is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 17:00 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian scroll down to "auto usb0" | 17:00 |
| r2d2rogers | got it | 17:01 |
| woglinde | auto in ifup/down is only useful at start time | 17:01 |
| woglinde | for automatiglicy connection you need ifplugd | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we should probably run through the whole policy for any issues if we're going to be pushing an update anyway. | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or do it in small steps, so one thing doesn't block the other. | 17:02 |
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| r2d2rogers | if I ifup manually is should work though right? | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call the deadline next Friday to hopefully have the new policy out the door and a PSA for packagers? | 17:04 |
| woglinde | r2d2rogers yes | 17:04 |
| woglinde | and when the wlan driver is really stable enough we can use guessnet and wpa supplicant with all the goodies | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | you're talking about stlc45xx or? :P | 17:06 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> will be nice | 17:06 |
| r2d2rogers | k I can telnet in but still can't get out. | 17:06 |
| r2d2rogers | do I need a default gateway on the tablet side? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: route default add gw 192.168.2.1 probably | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | er | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | route add default gw 192.168.2.1 | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | and then nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf | 17:06 |
| r2d2rogers | tada <G> | 17:07 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 17:07 |
| r2d2rogers | name server next | 17:07 |
| woglinde | r2d2rogers depends | 17:07 |
| woglinde | if you do not want the internet | 17:07 |
| woglinde | then you do not need a default route | 17:07 |
| r2d2rogers | at this point I do <G> | 17:08 |
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| woglinde | hm rememinds me to lookup | 17:08 |
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| woglinde | if the nokias have the debian resolvconf package | 17:08 |
| woglinde | then you can add the dns in interfaces too | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: he's trying out deblet on 770 :P | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | it is a debian :P | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | .. deriative, before someone smacks me | 17:10 |
| r2d2rogers | can't open file for writing when trying to write /etc/resolv.conf | 17:12 |
| r2d2rogers | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /mnt/initfs type jffs2 (ro) | 17:13 |
| r2d2rogers | ^^^ that is the only thing mounted ro | 17:13 |
| woglinde | r2d2rogers hm | 17:13 |
| r2d2rogers | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro) | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: arh. yeah | 17:14 |
| r2d2rogers | where can I check to see if there were errors? | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: do you have fanoush's sdhc kernel? | 17:14 |
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| r2d2rogers | yup | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | check dmesg for me and see if there's anything there | 17:14 |
| r2d2rogers | 48mhz one, bad? | 17:14 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 17:14 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: not seeing anything standing out | 17:16 |
| r2d2rogers | can pastebin it if you like | 17:17 |
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| r2d2rogers | Bad eraseblock 0 at 0x00000000 | 17:19 |
| r2d2rogers | ??? | 17:19 |
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| r2d2rogers | that's the NAND though...isn't that the internal flash? | 17:19 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: feel free to close 2218 if you feel it's sorted, I've not tested it | 17:19 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: looks like it mounted the ext3 correct with no errors | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: edit /etc/fstab and set remove errors=remount-ro. another person who got it on his mmc fixed it by the sdhc kernel installing | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | as it switched to read only for him too | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | possibly try lower mhz? | 17:23 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 17:23 |
| r2d2rogers | will try remount first and go to that | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o remount,rw / | 17:24 |
| r2d2rogers | that worked... | 17:24 |
| r2d2rogers | touch test.txt made the file | 17:24 |
| r2d2rogers | doing resolv.conf now | 17:25 |
| r2d2rogers | working | 17:25 |
| r2d2rogers | apt-get update running | 17:25 |
| r2d2rogers | I know I was getting the :omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane error last night | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but that's because apt-get install nit-env-x won't work | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | nit-env-lxde will straight away | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's a weirdass kernel thing | 17:28 |
| r2d2rogers | k so install the nit-env-lxde or check that it's installed? | 17:29 |
| r2d2rogers | is installed already.. | 17:30 |
| r2d2rogers | brb | 17:30 |
| r2d2rogers | doh... my networking on my workstation is messed up now | 17:33 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: ok I'm sorted out, what should I do to figure out why the normal deblet boot stops at the end and sits on the progress screen? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /etc/init.d/x* | 17:37 |
| r2d2rogers | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1457 Sep 11 13:58 /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare | 17:38 |
| r2d2rogers | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1777 Mar 23 2008 /etc/init.d/x11-common | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 17:38 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks | 17:38 |
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| dneary | Any sign of Tim about? | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, hardly ever on IRC | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to pester him about that. | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's pretty responsive to emails, though. | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you raise an interesting point about the initfs | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's going away for Fremantle, what are our options as far as a "recovery" mode? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: nada | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | reboot loop=reflash | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about multiboot? | 17:45 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: There's no need to force someone to come onto IRC :) | 17:45 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Ping? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: depends on bootloader i guess | 17:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, there is when they're council members. ;) | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you following my reconstructed updates? :P | 17:46 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I don't think so | 17:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles does. | 17:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm chair | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | soooooo. . . . :P | 17:46 |
| dneary | One of the things that was said during the election campaign was "I'm a maverick. She's a maverick." | 17:46 |
| dneary | (ooh - wrong election) | 17:47 |
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| dneary | One of the things that was said during the campaign was that no-one has time to follow everything - that's why there are 5 council members | 17:47 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: You wouldn't expect all the council members to be active on every thread on itT would you? | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Certainly not, and I don't expect anybody to be here 24/7 | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just popping in every once and a while is good, though. | 17:50 |
| lardman | does that mean I can skip the meetings then> | 17:51 |
| lardman | ? | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 17:51 |
| lardman | I volunteer myself to be checking the fora and email lists while the meetings are on, for the good of the team, etc. | 17:52 |
| lardman | ;) | 17:52 |
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| dneary | :) | 17:54 |
| dneary | lardman: i volunteer to be beer taster for the after-meeting booze-up during the meeting - just to be safe | 17:54 |
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| lardman | yeah, I reckon I can handle that, as long as I can miss some more (already negative) blog postings to take the pressure off me | 17:55 |
| lardman | gotta run, need to see optician, sure there's a joke in there somewhere | 17:56 |
| lardman | bbl | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12, GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , - Initfs comments and general structure? | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | (just changed some structure :P) | 18:10 |
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| * Stskeeps pokes qwerty12 with a stick | 18:17 | |
| qwerty12 | oi :P | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | You've summed up everything that I could want out of the initfs and then some :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | any comments on my initfs vision? :P | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, good | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | you've hacked in it more than i have :P | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I go for cosmetic hacks :) | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Except for mtd-tools (fanoush did this before me) & g_serial, I haven't added much functionality wise :) | 18:19 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders putting ubuntumin for a spin. | 18:20 | |
| * qwerty12 times how long it takes for network manager in intrepid to fuck up my wlan0 | 18:20 | |
| * Mousey thinks . o O ( ubuntumin? ) | 18:20 | |
| Stskeeps | Mousey: i debootstrapped a ubuntu mojo minbase for tablet and pondering to make it boot and see how it is | 18:20 |
| Mousey | ah | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ubuntumin.txt in 69m jffs2 flash | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | (my maemo is 330m uncompressed atm) | 18:21 |
| * Mousey dilligently clicks | 18:21 | |
| Stskeeps | and that one is 130m or so with no attempt to make it smaller/strip down) | 18:22 |
| Mousey | yah, i don't see an X server | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, yet :P | 18:22 |
| Mousey | i like all these other shoehorn versions of distros, what i wish for is a DE who's UI is finger-friendly | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | dneary: not got time to draft a proper email. Your plan about design sounds fine (although I'm in a grumpy design mood after lots of design meetings this week at work) | 18:24 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got a minute? | 18:26 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Cool, thanks for your support | 18:26 |
| dneary | "a proper email" would be "yeah, sure, I'm up for that" | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: mm? | 18:27 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: didn't want to interupt while you were working on the wiki page, but you seemed to recognize my situation earlier... | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | oh, my apologies, friday afternoon, easily distracted :P | 18:28 |
| r2d2rogers | no worries, I like the direction I see maemo heading since the cumminity coucil was formed | 18:28 |
| r2d2rogers | community... | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: trying to move maemo in the right direction in terms of system arch :P | 18:29 |
| r2d2rogers | yessir | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: try enable console mode and see why it won't boot lxde | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | (disabling splash screen) | 18:29 |
| r2d2rogers | last we looked, I had two item matching your last question: | 18:30 |
| r2d2rogers | root@-:/root# ls -l /etc/init.d/x* | 18:30 |
| r2d2rogers | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1457 Sep 11 13:58 /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare | 18:30 |
| r2d2rogers | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1777 Mar 23 2008 /etc/init.d/x11-common | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's a good sign | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | nit-env-lxde -was- installed? | 18:30 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /etc/rc2.d/x* | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | but basically, enable usbnet in console, process enter or center a couple of times and it continues booting | 18:32 |
| r2d2rogers | nothing matched that pattern | 18:32 |
| r2d2rogers | all in rc2.d start with S | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | anything with x in there? :P | 18:33 |
| r2d2rogers | x-server-prepare | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:33 |
| r2d2rogers | S21x-server-prepare -> ../init.d/x-server-prepare | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | continue booting or something and see what console says | 18:33 |
| r2d2rogers | continue booting how? <G>. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | press center button on 770 or something | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | a couple of times | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | like console says | 18:34 |
| r2d2rogers | Ah I'm in the fail save menu I thinlk | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 18:34 |
| r2d2rogers | gotta pop the battery there right? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | you still connected through usb and it doesnt switch to console? | 18:35 |
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| r2d2rogers | held down "home" button during deblet boot | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | k, and selected usb and ok? | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | and got the usb networking up and am telnetted in | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, should switch to framebuffer console as well the | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | n | 18:36 |
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| r2d2rogers | k | 18:36 |
| r2d2rogers | will do that now | 18:36 |
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| woglinde | re | 18:40 |
| pupnik | re | 18:40 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: regular deblet boot gives me the splash screen with a stopped progress bar a fraction from the end | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - are you able to get console mode working? :P | 18:43 |
| r2d2rogers | if I enable host mode... | 18:43 |
| r2d2rogers | I have a usb keyboard | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | (from rescue) | 18:44 |
| r2d2rogers | bk | 18:44 |
| r2d2rogers | "activate console on frame buffer?" | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | it should tell you why things wont boot :P | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, penguinbait got gparted working :P | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: .. how? | 18:45 |
| vincenzo88 | Someone have a solution to install "build-essential" on maemo diablo ? (to compile with Qt) | 18:45 |
| r2d2rogers | gets me to a login prompt | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no errors? | 18:45 |
| r2d2rogers | non I can see | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I guess changing the LD_PRELOAD_PATH. He says he uses a newer gtk & glib | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's simpler, ld_library_path to gtkmm | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: battery pop and then telnetd in i guess :P | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse intrepid for not reading my sysctl.conf at boottime | 18:48 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, intrepid for not reading my sysctl.conf at boottime ! | 18:48 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88??? | 18:48 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 put extras-devel into your sources.list | 18:49 |
| woglinde | and install qt | 18:49 |
| vincenzo88 | Yes | 18:49 |
| woglinde | no need to build your self | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and /etc/init.d/gdm start | 18:49 |
| vincenzo88 | i can qmake but no make | 18:49 |
| vincenzo88 | "make not found" | 18:49 |
| woglinde | install scratchbox | 18:49 |
| woglinde | its no fun to compile on the nokia | 18:49 |
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| r2d2rogers | Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:50 |
| r2d2rogers | was that supposed to be removed ? | 18:50 |
| vincenzo88 | Yes but not work i have an error on qemu | 18:50 |
| vincenzo88 | :s | 18:50 |
| woglinde | the soultion is mentioned in the readme | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | vincenzo88, installing build-essential on the device requires adding the SDK repo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 18:50 |
| vincenzo88 | Thanks | 18:51 |
| woglinde | vincenzo put export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m into sratchbox .bashrc | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: rm /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d, mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d.REAL /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | and do the same for /sbin/start-stop-daemon | 18:52 |
| vincenzo88 | thanks woglinde, i will try this | 18:52 |
| woglinde | vincenzo dont be afraid of the segfaults | 18:52 |
| woglinde | it works anyway | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: just added to instructions :P that's a pretty major step | 18:54 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah I was wondering about that | 18:54 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 18:54 |
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| r2d2rogers | but I slept after that part | 18:54 |
| r2d2rogers | now reboot yes? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | aye | 18:55 |
| r2d2rogers | did you also change that typo from bin to sbin? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | it was about start-stop-daemon i guess | 18:56 |
| r2d2rogers | crap I missed the boot to deblet.... | 18:56 |
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| r2d2rogers | \o/ | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | success? | 18:58 |
| r2d2rogers | I see a mouse cursor and it responds to touch screen... | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | first step | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:58 |
| r2d2rogers | yup loaded | 18:58 |
| r2d2rogers | thannk you very much! | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | how is responsiveness? | 18:58 |
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| r2d2rogers | really good | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:59 |
| r2d2rogers | better than maemo with the web browser loaded... | 18:59 |
| r2d2rogers | but i haven't loaded anytyhing yet .... | 18:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Error | 18:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Unable to establish connection with FAM | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's usual | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | happens to me for some strange reason too | 19:00 |
| r2d2rogers | kk | 19:00 |
| r2d2rogers | coiol | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | it's kinda ambivalent regarding wanting fam or not. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | do me a favour and note your success in http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547&page=5 and if you had to do something else than the sbin thing and the removal thing | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to say if my instructions are bad or not | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | current issues: WLAN driver needs a recompile, should be possible if you know a bit of scratchbox.. | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:01 |
| r2d2rogers | I guess I'll learn <G> | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, s/fam/gamin :P | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | eh? | 19:02 |
| r2d2rogers | exposing my ignorance again, but what are they? <G> | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: what is what? :P | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, gamin implements fam. gamin is newer either way | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | i updated 770Port instructions | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah. | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: so something conflicts it | 19:02 |
| r2d2rogers | FAM and Gamin? | 19:02 |
| woglinde | fam the stupid daemon from sgi? | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | ~wikipedia gamin | 19:03 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamin (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{distinguish|Gamine}} 'Gamin', a monitoring system for files and directories, independently implements a subset of FAM, the File Alteration Monitor. Running as a service, it allows for the detection of modifications to a file or directory. 'gam_server' functions as a daemon for Gamin. The word "gamin" in French (where it also has a female form "gamine") refers to a boy, | 19:03 |
| woglinde | no | 19:03 |
| woglinde | no one needs this | 19:03 |
| woglinde | only crap that suck cpu cycles | 19:04 |
| * r2d2rogers would agree | 19:04 | |
| qwerty12 | true, true, but some programs want it :( and in that case, I would say to use gamin instead | 19:04 |
| woglinde | qwerty which program? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, only one that comes off the top of my head is pcmanfm | 19:05 |
| woglinde | hm this reminds writing a wiki articel about programms that require ssh and clashes within scratchbox | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | woglinde: i'm doing a "Maemo "Reconstructed"" wiki page.. when it's done i would love Scratchbox horrorstories too :P | 19:07 |
| woglinde | stskeeps nope just fake it with a dummy deb build with equiv | 19:08 |
| woglinde | qwerty whats pcmanfm | 19:08 |
| woglinde | doing? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, monitoring a folder for changes? :P | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | what qwerty12 said | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:09 |
| woglinde | aeh | 19:09 |
| woglinde | thats fam is doing | 19:09 |
| woglinde | why need a wrapper program for it | 19:09 |
| woglinde | this sounds stupid | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | pcmanfm probably uses fam to do the hard work for it :P | 19:10 |
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| woglinde | so pcmanfm is polling fam which is polling fs | 19:10 |
| woglinde | muahaha | 19:10 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: posted | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ta | 19:14 |
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| r2d2rogers | anyone had luck in getting a bluetooth keyboard working? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | fool with bluez-utils i guess | 19:17 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if he'll get intensely unpopular by some of the visions in this wiki. | 19:17 | |
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| r2d2rogers | thanks again for your help Stskeeps | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no. . . . | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I can't imagine why you'd think these opinions would be unpopular | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm slamming the SDK a bit atm :P | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, does _anybody_ like that thing? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's true. | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I suppose you could get a zeenix-reaction out of a Nokian, maybe, but I doubt it. | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and who cares? :P | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_SDK | 19:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, makes sense to me. | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | trying to make reasonable statements about this so | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | still got a long way to go :P | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | Goofle Phone comes with two vibrators. | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | And moo to all of you too | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | two? for extra pleasure? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | who knows, but it has got on in display and one in kbd module | 19:51 |
| RST38h | s/on/one | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:51 |
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| dmsuperman | I have chinook right now, and it's installed on my internal SD card. I want to upgrade to diablo, and do the same thing. That package that does it (and partitions your SD card for you), is there a diablo version? | 19:59 |
| dmsuperman | I don't remember who made the one I have | 19:59 |
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| pupnik | i followed a howto. there's a package that auto-installs your OS to SD? | 20:02 |
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| dmsuperman | pupnik: There was for chinook | 20:05 |
| dmsuperman | I was doing a howto but found that the package made it cake to do | 20:05 |
| dmsuperman | It partitioned your SD into 25%/75%, copied internal memory to external, and modded the bootloader | 20:05 |
| dmsuperman | Somebody that hangs in this channel wrote it | 20:06 |
| dmsuperman | When you boot into the internal memory install you hear linux torvalds talk | 20:06 |
| dmsuperman | linus* | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: there? | 20:07 |
| lcuk | what does linus say to you? | 20:07 |
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| * lcuk prepares the straight jacket | 20:07 | |
| RST38h | tells him to fuck off, in finnish | 20:07 |
| dmsuperman | lcuk: Heh | 20:07 |
| RST38h | then makes obscene penguin sounds! | 20:07 |
| dmsuperman | I think it's that soundbyte where he pronounces linux | 20:08 |
| vincenzo88 | Re ! | 20:08 |
| lcuk | so, have i got this right, you hear linus talking, have you confirmed others can hear the same thing? | 20:08 |
| vincenzo88 | 20:10 | |
| vincenzo88 | I think I forgot to turn off my N810 and it is in its case for the weekend. Do you think the N810 can burn? | 20:10 |
| vincenzo88 | :'( | 20:10 |
| lcuk | dmsuperman, well i keep my in a wooden crate - i left it charging all day with a book over the top of it and it survived | 20:10 |
| lcuk | was too hot to hold though | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | cruel lcuk | 20:12 |
| pupnik | hi RST38h | 20:12 |
| pupnik | et al | 20:13 |
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| * pupnik is listening to some dank dubstep... http://dubstep.fm (192kb/s) | 20:14 | |
| RST38h | pupnik: fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/ and get EMULib from there | 20:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, have YOU ever heard linus speaking from your tablet? | 20:15 |
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| pupnik | good deal, thanks RST38h | 20:16 |
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| dmsuperman | Hrm, I love irc logs | 20:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No. Should I? What substance am I supposed to abuse for that? | 20:18 |
| dmsuperman | penguinbait made the package I used before | 20:18 |
| lcuk | <dmsuperman> When you boot into the internal memory install you hear linux torvalds talk | 20:18 |
| lcuk | dmsuperman, excellent | 20:18 |
| RST38h | heard about that a few times | 20:18 |
| lcuk | did he make it specifically for you due to problems, or was this a generic package? | 20:18 |
| dmsuperman | lcuk: It was a generic package | 20:19 |
| dmsuperman | lcuk: To automate the entire process | 20:19 |
| lcuk | with questions? | 20:19 |
| dmsuperman | http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=151 | 20:19 |
| pupnik | cool | 20:20 |
| dmsuperman | Only I'm not sure if that's the chinook one or diablo | 20:20 |
| dmsuperman | Because IIRC diablo introduces a new bootloader or something so you don't have to reflash to upgrade | 20:21 |
| pupnik | hmm | 20:21 |
| dmsuperman | So I'm not sure if the old one would work with diablo | 20:21 |
| lcuk | yeah dmsuperman i wouldnt like to take the chance | 20:22 |
| lcuk | but penguinbait comes in often so you can ask him | 20:23 |
| lcuk | and hes around itT a lot | 20:23 |
| RST38h | "...Because as far as I can tell, everyone is going as Sarah Palin tonight. Male, female, young, old, gay, straight, human, animal, it doesnt matter. If you dont want to see thousands of fake (or should I say faker) Sarah Palins roaming the streets, lock your doors and keep the curtains closed." | 20:23 |
| dmsuperman | Hmmm | 20:23 |
| dmsuperman | http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=175&lang=en-us | 20:23 |
| dmsuperman | Assuming that's October this year I'd assume diablo | 20:24 |
| dmsuperman | And I'm pretty sure it is because he didn't have the advanced one when I installed in may | 20:24 |
| dmsuperman | I'll take a chance and let you guys know how it goes | 20:24 |
| lcuk | its on the frontpage of his blog, so year its this year | 20:25 |
| dmsuperman | Do I have to attach my n800 to my PC to install diablo? | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo has nothing to do with bootloaders. | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 20:26 |
| infobot | boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 20:26 |
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| dmsuperman | Can I install without attaching to my PC? | 20:30 |
| sp3000 | hrm, is the encoding in the terminal newly screwed up or am I imagining things | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 20:36 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:36 |
| sp3000 | str: open terminal, imput accented (outside ascii) characters, hit backspace several times | 20:37 |
| sp3000 | expected: stop at original position | 20:37 |
| sp3000 | result: backspace goes over prompt | 20:38 |
| sp3000 | also, if I start a screen after ssh'ing somewheres, my other devices terminals tend to disagree about the encoding in that screen session | 20:38 |
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| sp3000 | so it looks like it's being utf-8 and claiming that it's not, which confuses things | 20:46 |
| sp3000 | or something. | 20:46 |
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| sp3000 | what setting do you see if you say 'locale' in terminal? | 20:50 |
| sp3000 | (just one value will do, provided they'll be the same save for a blank LC_ALL) | 20:51 |
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| dmsuperman | I'm flashing from linux, is this a normal message to recieve at the end of the install? Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown | 20:52 |
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| vincenzo88 | I have neverflashing on linux but on windows all is automatic ;) | 20:54 |
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| dmsuperman | Uhm, that doesn't really answer my question | 20:55 |
| vincenzo88 | I don't know, i developp on N810 for 1 week :( | 20:55 |
| sp3000 | do you get that message every time? | 20:55 |
| * sp3000 doesn't recall if he's seen it or not | 20:56 | |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: I only just did it | 20:56 |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: And it booted fine after that | 20:56 |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: I've never flashed from linux before | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe, lcuk, remember that horseshoe crab? | 20:57 |
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| * sp3000 flashes chinook | 21:01 | |
| woglinde | sp3000 why? | 21:01 |
| sp3000 | sssh I'm hunting wegwessions | 21:01 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a reason that while entering passwords the characters are showed and then turned into asterisks? | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same reason passwords are masked on desktops? . . . | 21:03 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman soyou can sea if you are typed the right one | 21:04 |
| sp3000 | to avoid typos I suppose, and hoping the someone watching over your shoulder isn't quite attentive enough to make out the password from those flashes | 21:04 |
| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: No, I mean for a half-second it shows the character and _then_ turns into an asterisk | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you know what you actually entered. | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since virtual text entry isn't quite as reliable as a real keyboard. | 21:05 |
| dmsuperman | Ah, I see | 21:05 |
| mikkov_ | can I set osso-xterm font size from commandline? -fs didn't seem to work | 21:05 |
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| sp3000 | hm, no, same issue on chinook | 21:06 |
| woglinde | sp3000 I cant remeber the chars this fast | 21:06 |
| * sp3000 wonders who to blame | 21:06 | |
| dmsuperman | Am I right to assume apt-get | 21:08 |
| dmsuperman | apt-get -f install merely tries to reinstall the last packages, also installing dependencies? | 21:08 |
| dmsuperman | Or just the dependencies for the last package? | 21:09 |
| sp3000 | apt-get -f -install should really be apt-get trytofixthisbrokenstate | 21:09 |
| dmsuperman | So it does more then? | 21:09 |
| dmsuperman | In ubuntu apt-get install automatically does dependencies, but I see that's not the case in maemo | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um | 21:10 |
| sp3000 | it does the same thing | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get pulls in dependencies | 21:10 |
| woglinde | apt-get is the same as on ubuntu and debian | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, font size setting is in gconf so gconftool should do it (i cant remember key, sorry) | 21:10 |
| woglinde | and it pulls the depends | 21:10 |
| dmsuperman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:10 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman then the package is broken | 21:10 |
| dmsuperman | That's what it said when I tried to apt-get install wget | 21:10 |
| woglinde | you cant blame apt-get for it | 21:10 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: This happens with anything that has deps | 21:10 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: I do apt-get -f install, it installs the deps, then I can install the package normally | 21:11 |
| woglinde | then your sources.list is wrong some how | 21:11 |
| woglinde | did you apt-get update? | 21:11 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: I literally just installed diablo | 21:11 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: Yes | 21:11 |
| woglinde | ah you have to enable extra | 21:11 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: This happened on both my previous chinook installs too | 21:11 |
| woglinde | its disabled per default | 21:11 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: Extra is enabled also | 21:11 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:11 |
| woglinde | strange | 21:11 |
| woglinde | maybe enable extras-devel too? | 21:12 |
| dmsuperman | I enabled all the | 21:12 |
| dmsuperman | repos that were installed by default | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: the package state is slightly inconsistent in the flash image unfortunately | 21:12 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | which is why apt complains when you try to do anything | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | until you apt-get -f install | 21:13 |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: What do you mean? | 21:13 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman you could try the normal paketmanager and start update theire | 21:13 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: You mean the gui one? | 21:13 |
| woglinde | the latest flashimage does not have the latest diablo | 21:13 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: That's where I started. I enabled the repo, updated the list, and installed openssh | 21:14 |
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| dmsuperman | woglinde: Now I'm SSH'ed in, and I try to install and get the deps issue | 21:14 |
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| woglinde | dmsuperman try dist-upgrade via the gui ui first | 21:14 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: dist-upgrade? I just downloaded the latest version | 21:15 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman how could ssh in? ssh server is not installed per default | 21:15 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: I don't recall the exact details, they're findable on list and forums | 21:15 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: "15:11 < dmsuperman> woglinde: That's where I started. I enabled the repo, updated the list, and installed openssh" | 21:15 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: I installed openssh from the app manager | 21:15 |
| woglinde | ah | 21:15 |
| woglinde | okay | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | kernel-diablo-flasher initfs-flasher and flash-and-reboot aren't included with the 23-14 FIASCO image | 21:16 |
| woglinde | and it didnt shpw you any updates? | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But apt-get -f install or upgrading via SSU in Application Manager will install them. | 21:16 |
| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, that's what happened | 21:16 |
| dmsuperman | I thought nano was included by default. What's the package called that installs it? | 21:16 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-June/021586.html for details | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, gconftool --set --type=int /ap rm/font_size <whatever> | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sorry, gconftool --set --type=int /apps/osso/xterm/font_size 1 | 21:17 |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: Ah, thanks | 21:17 |
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| dmsuperman | What package contains nano? | 21:22 |
| Kegetys | nano-tiny | 21:22 |
| woglinde | nano - free Pico clone with some new features | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dmsuperman, you get vi by default :p. nano is in nano | 21:23 |
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| dmsuperman | apt-get install nano | 21:23 |
| dmsuperman | E: Couldn't find package nano | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/n/nano/nano_2.0.2-1osso6_armel.deb | 21:24 |
| sp3000 | it's in the tools repo | 21:25 |
| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example | 21:25 |
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| dmsuperman | See, like here | 21:26 |
| dmsuperman | I went to install that package | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | use dpkg | 21:26 |
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| dmsuperman | And it said: http://pastebin.com/d27d3766d | 21:26 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, because you don't have the repository it comes from enabled | 21:26 |
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| cyrus__ | anyone running deblet? Is there anyway to speed it up, seems to run fairly slow (compared to maemo) when on the sd card | 21:27 |
| sp3000 | so it's no surprise that deps are missing | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i have it from the sdk repo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 21:28 |
| sp3000 | yeah, but you don't want the sdk repo on your device | 21:28 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 keeps it with no problems | 21:28 | |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: various.. http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/glibc-optimized/ (don't take the nscd), http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/gtk/ but may break things.. it's a experimental system but i did think it's not -that- bad compared to what it pulls off :) | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | dist-upgrade and BOOM | 21:28 |
| woglinde | qwerty12 your are power user | 21:28 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman seems not | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: or activate performance mode in cpufreq governor | 21:29 |
| dmsuperman | woglinde: What seems not? | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: where's the best general resource for deblet options? any wiki or webpage?? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet and internet tablet talk alternatives -> debian forum | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | really | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | 770 port is in it's infancy, just so you're warned :P | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | cool, trying to get bluetooth working | 21:30 |
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| r2d2rogers | yeah I'm used to being on the afterthought hardware anymore ;) | 21:30 |
| woglinde | dmsuperman power user | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you might have to copy in some firmware, look at dmesg always if it doesnt load :P | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | and then bluez-utils | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a debian, so it acts like a debian would | 21:31 |
| r2d2rogers | good to me | 21:31 |
| * r2d2rogers went from debian to ubuntu | 21:31 | |
| Stskeeps | mm | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm trying to boot a minimal ubuntu image on my n800 | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | think i might suceed | 21:32 |
| r2d2rogers | I might have some testers for you from my LoCo group | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | loco? | 21:32 |
| r2d2rogers | Local Community Team for Ubuntu | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:32 |
| r2d2rogers | Louisiana in this case | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's not really difficult to get ubuntu going, - had it long time ago but the port isn't complete | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm trying to make a setup where we squeeze it into 256mb flash | 21:33 |
| dmsuperman | sp3000: I enabled the repository and it still makes me use -f install to fix deps | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | and see if we can base a maemo on that | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | .P | 21:33 |
| r2d2rogers | ::nods:: I think deblet appealed so I could get my brain going into hacking again... | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 36-5 fiasco image is up on tablets-dev. | 21:33 |
| r2d2rogers | read less ebooks and do more useful stuff | 21:34 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: did apt-get -f install actually work? | 21:34 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: also, full output | 21:34 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - what is performane mode | 21:34 |
| r2d2rogers | but thinking of that... how hard to get a maemo dual boot install on another MMC to boot from the boot menu? | 21:34 |
| sp3000 | cyrus__: keeps processor at max freq, dunno if that has any positive impact really | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: easy | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: add a .item in /etc/bootmenu.d | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | (don't have _LINUXRC line( | 21:35 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: the dpkg -i earlier may have left things slightly confused for example | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | and refresh_bootmenu.d in maemo | 21:35 |
| cyrus__ | sp3000 - how do I set that and what is the disadvantage, battery run out quicker? | 21:36 |
| * sp3000 doesn't recall what actions leave things halfway installed and what don't | 21:36 | |
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| dmsuperman | sp3000: sp3000 http://pastebin.com/d1ceba859 | 21:36 |
| sp3000 | cyrus__: find /sys/ -name '*gov*'; and yeah, that comes to mind | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | deblet isn't exactly the most power friendly animal on the planet :) | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 21:37 |
| sp3000 | dmsuperman: yeah, you can see there it says nano is installed, and later it says "Setting up nano" so nano was in a half-installed (unpacked but not configured) state from the previous attempt | 21:38 |
| * Stskeeps attempts booting ubuntumin. | 21:38 | |
| sp3000 | without that halfway attempt it wouldn't have asked for -f install since it would have gotten the dep right away | 21:38 |
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| penguinbait | is there an easy way I can disable/enable the auto mounting in maemo of /media/mmc1 and mmc2 | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tried stopping ke-recv? | 21:40 |
| sp3000 | (somewhere further in scrollback you'd find "dependency problems prevent configuration of nano" or something to that effect) | 21:40 |
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| penguinbait | have not tried anything, just thought I ask before I went looking :) | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, /etc/init.d/ke-recv stop | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | try that and see if it works :) | 21:41 |
| sp3000 | and what other events you lose :) | 21:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it manages mounting when the covers are closed | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sp3000, probably internet call starting when the camera is popped open :) | 21:42 |
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| penguinbait | uh, that rebooted the system, ke-recv stop; gparted, disk scan > reboot | 21:45 |
| penguinbait | thanks for playing though :) | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | shit, heh | 21:46 |
| r2d2rogers | penguinbait: take out auto in fstab? | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably because dsmetool starts it | 21:46 |
| penguinbait | it only has mmc1 in fstab yet mounts both mmc1 and 2 so its not in there | 21:46 |
| * r2d2rogers steps down from the stage, "but it was fun to play!" | 21:47 | |
| sp3000 | echo /usr/sbin/*mount* may be of interest | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they're scripts called by ke-recv from what i can see | 21:49 |
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| penguinbait | whoops, I was booted to SD, thats why | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | woo, Handhelds 8.04 Nokia-N800-23-14 tty1 | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I want intrepid on the device, not hardy! :p | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | f*ckoff, build it then :P | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | congrats :) | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | (this is the minimal ubuntu image btw) | 21:56 |
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| yerga | qwerty12_N800, need octave many dependences? | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yerga, yes :/ | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yerga, http://packages.debian.org/etch/octave2.1 | 22:08 |
| woglinde | hm seems 15 | 22:08 |
| yerga | it seems not very easy | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: interesting fact of the day. login prompt in 12 seconds, starting from pressing enter in boot menu. | 22:09 |
| woglinde | hm why the hacl octave needs libpcre3 | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | man, I really don't want to mv mount mount-hold, any other ideas on how to stop automounting /media/mmc1 and 2? | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, haha, nice. forget those 5 second boot threads :p | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and this is with consolefb which obviously slows a bit | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | that has to hold some value :P | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, tried messing around with the gconf values in /system/osso/af? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda disturbed though that upstart seems to wipe out environment variables though | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | trying now qwerty | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess it's a sideeffect | 22:13 |
| penguinbait | thought I had it with this :( hal-disable-polling --device /dev/mmcblk1 | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, sure it's not dash? it's pretty retarded to use as a boot shell in maemo | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's upstart, just read a post about it | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | it decides what things to pass on to the job | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | which i guess is sane | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | 12 seconds.. that's kinda amazing though | 22:14 |
| woglinde | readahead | 22:14 |
| woglinde | and parallel driver init partly in .28 | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | parrallel did nothing for deblet boot process really | 22:15 |
| woglinde | + upstart and 5 seconds are come closer | 22:15 |
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| zer0mdq | hey, anyone knows if there is a way to get Wavemon on my n810? | 22:23 |
| zer0mdq | i cannot find any packages :S | 22:23 |
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| zer0mdq | and it's a really cool soft to have on such a portable device | 22:23 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238262&postcount=143 | 22:26 | |
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| zakkkkm | How long will it take to flash a OS2007 on a nokia n800 to latest diablo ? | 22:26 |
| zakkkkm | roughly ? | 22:26 |
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| dmsuperman | zakkkkm: Took me about 10 minutes | 22:27 |
| BULLE_ | zakkkkm: not that long, 15 minutes max ? | 22:27 |
| zakkkkm | ok | 22:27 |
| zakkkkm | thank you | 22:27 |
| dmsuperman | Yup | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: idea isn't completely insane, but the use is low | 22:27 |
| woglinde | oh the n800 is slow | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | and may not fit in tablets | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | for certain bands, sure | 22:27 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I fail at booting my other mmc | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: show me your .item | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | (i might disappear, gf wants to see a movie with me) | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no, the nonsense about me somehow banning him from maemo.rog | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh | 22:28 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_NAME="OS2008HE" | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_ID="bluekeep" | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk0p2" | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3" | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_FSTYPE="ext3" | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | didn't read that part :P | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., fucking idiot whiner | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: oh, it should be rw, not ro | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and pastebin :P | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro"sorry | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yup, write "rw" instead of rw | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | ro | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | have a good weekend | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: bootable Ubuntu minimal with console, 43.2mb flash | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice :) | 22:30 |
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| zer0mdq | no? nobody knows about wavemon? | 22:37 |
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| vincenzo88 | :( | 22:40 |
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| AStorm | hello | 23:30 |
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| AStorm | does anyone have an url for Google Hybrid maps? | 23:30 |
| AStorm | (to use in mapper) | 23:31 |
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