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| ryoohki | any idea where the cheapest n810 wimax can be bought? amazon has it for $362 free ship + no tax | 01:59 |
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| Chani | my internal flash (the 2gb part) on my n810 went readonly a week or two ago and I have no idea why. | 03:57 |
| Chani | I don't have any other flash, so now it's kinda hard to add anything to my n810 :( | 03:58 |
| Chani | fstab's options still say rw, so I don't know what's going wrong... | 03:58 |
| Chani | I also don't know how to get root on my n810 :/ | 03:59 |
| Chani | most importantly, this is making it impossible for me to do a backup | 03:59 |
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| ryoohki | Chani: is sshd running? if so, then just ssh in | 04:00 |
| mgedmin | Chani: copy valuable data (if it's not corrupted) | 04:00 |
| mgedmin | then reformat the internal memory card from the file manager | 04:01 |
| mgedmin | personally, I don't trust the internal flash at all after it failed 5 times | 04:01 |
| ryoohki | Chani: it's going to be hard to crack into a box that's read only if somethings aren't writable since you can't add sshd or a root kit | 04:01 |
| mgedmin | ryoohki: internal 2gb flash of the n810 isn't used for installing packages | 04:01 |
| ryoohki | Chani: does the n810 show up as a usb drive on your desktop machine? | 04:01 |
| Chani | ryoohki: no, I don't think I installed it | 04:01 |
| mgedmin | unless apt tries to download .debs into it | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt doesn't | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application manager normally does | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it fails gracefully now. | 04:02 |
| Chani | oh, fuck. I can't do *anything* interesting without root. fstab doesn't even let me mount/unmount this thing as a regular user | 04:02 |
| Chani | ryoohki: yes, it shows up. readonly. | 04:02 |
| ryoohki | Chani: if no ssh and no rootkit then maybe there is a way to add it to a microsdhc card | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chani, you probably have an oversized partition table | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and now it's corrupt | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reformat and you'll be fine. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 04:02 |
| infobot | rootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 04:02 |
| Chani | mgedmin: I can't copy the data to a readonly partition | 04:03 |
| ryoohki | Chani: if it shows up readonly just copy it | 04:03 |
| Chani | maybe I could scp the data.... if scp is installed... | 04:03 |
| Chani | yes! it's installed | 04:03 |
| Chani | ok, I';m not totally screwed | 04:03 |
| ryoohki | Chani: not copy it to itself, copy it to your desktop | 04:03 |
| mgedmin | (or to an external card, if you have one) | 04:03 |
| ryoohki | Chani: are you using linux? | 04:03 |
| ryoohki | Chani: what is your desktop? | 04:04 |
| Chani | ryoohki: also, I don't have any flash cards of my own | 04:04 |
| ryoohki | Chani: maybe borrow one | 04:04 |
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| Chani | GeneralAntilles: it worked fine before. I didn't do anything weird | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It comes corrupt from the factory. | 04:04 |
| mgedmin | for extra convenience </sarcasm> | 04:04 |
| ryoohki | Chani: what is your desktop os? | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chani, you were never anywhere close to "screwed" from the beginning. :) | 04:05 |
| Chani | ryoohki: everyone has compactflash or regular SD, though. I've been meaning to track down a mini-sd adaptor... | 04:05 |
| ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: "corrupt from the factory" really?! | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, the partition table was oversized | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | it was fixed fairly quickly | 04:05 |
| Chani | GeneralAntilles: it does? oh *lovely* | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the distribution lines are longer in some places than in others | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | So there's still some filtering through | 04:05 |
| ryoohki | Chani: no you can't use a sd | 04:05 |
| Chani | unfortunately my laptop's in a bit of a fragile state right now too | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you hit an oversized sector is entirely random, too. | 04:06 |
| Chani | ryoohki: yes,. I know, that's my point | 04:06 |
| ryoohki | Chani: what os does your laptop have? | 04:06 |
| Chani | ryoohki: arch., | 04:06 |
| ryoohki | Chani: the adapters go from micro/mini to sd not sd to micro/mini | 04:06 |
| ryoohki | Chani: arch? | 04:06 |
| Chani | ryoohki: I know. so I'l;l have to buy an adaport and a micro card | 04:07 |
| Chani | because there are no mini cards | 04:07 |
| ryoohki | Chani: what is an "arch."? | 04:07 |
| Chani | ryoohki: a linux distro. | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.archlinux.org/ | 04:07 |
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| Chani | yay! someone fixed whatever was breaking my plasma. one issue down | 04:07 |
| Chani | I think I'll come back to the n810 problems after my laptop is in a better mood ;) | 04:08 |
| Chani | now that I know there's a way to fix things I';m happy | 04:08 |
| ryoohki | Chani: if wireless is working, you can "mkdir n810_fs ; rsync -avz -e ssh root@n810.ip.address:/. n810_fs/. | 04:08 |
| Chani | I won't die if I don't get music on it tonight ;) | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stuff that's on there isn't going anywhere. | 04:08 |
| Chani | ah crud, I should've eaten already | 04:09 |
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| disco_stu | hi everyone | 06:03 |
| disco_stu | johnx: when i suggested midori you told me to try tear | 06:04 |
| disco_stu | that is the most unstable thing i've ever tried | 06:06 |
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| disco_stu | nobody ? | 06:18 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are u there ? | 06:18 |
| disco_stu | someone ? | 06:23 |
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| disco_stu | bump | 06:41 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: | 06:44 |
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| bef0rd | Hi | 06:45 |
| disco_stu | hi bef0rd | 06:46 |
| bef0rd | disco_stu no para de bailar :P | 06:49 |
| disco_stu | bef0rd: jaja .. ojala | 06:50 |
| disco_stu | fernandinho ? | 06:50 |
| bef0rd | fernandinho en honor a ronaldinho gaucho xD | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | de donde sos ? | 06:57 |
| disco_stu | yo soy fernando de Argentina | 06:57 |
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| gregorovius | eeh | 07:01 |
| gregorovius | pensé que era el único | 07:01 |
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| disco_stu | gregorovius: de donde ? | 07:04 |
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| disco_stu | someone has experience with xkbd ? | 07:12 |
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| slonopotamus | hi | 07:13 |
| slonopotamus | why there is browserd? | 07:13 |
| solmumaha | disco_stu: enough to avoid it | 07:14 |
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| gregorovius | disco_stu: argentina | 07:16 |
| disco_stu | gregorovius: Mendoza, vos ? | 07:17 |
| gregorovius | bs as | 07:17 |
| gregorovius | mendoza capital? | 07:17 |
| disco_stu | gregorovius: casi | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, pong. | 07:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, it's the browser engine and window handler. | 07:20 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i wanted to ask you about xkbd, cause it goes randomly changing the case of my letters | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't use it. | 07:21 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: :( so you dont use links2 either | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 07:22 |
| disco_stu | is a good browser.. | 07:23 |
| disco_stu | i tried Tear today, but it keeps crashing | 07:23 |
| disco_stu | the bastard.. | 07:23 |
| disco_stu | gregorovius: que usas n800 o n810 ? | 07:27 |
| gregorovius | n800 | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, it's really, really alpha. | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's basically building a browser front-end from scratch. | 07:30 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i see | 07:30 |
| disco_stu | the thing that is making it so unstable is sqlite | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting because it's A. WebKit, and B. Built from scratch specifically for the tablets. | 07:30 |
| disco_stu | the way he uses it | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure he'd appreciate patches and/or pointers. ;) | 07:33 |
| disco_stu | today it was crashing the hell, until i deleted the sqlite file in .tear/ and it worked another 10 minutes | 07:33 |
| disco_stu | i may get involved | 07:34 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, hi | 07:37 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, i know that | 07:37 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, the question is why it is made as a demon | 07:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, justification for using that archicture is the question. . . | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | right | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | A few thing | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | s | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | First, it decreases startup time | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Second, it reduces the impact of browser crashes (ideally, only a single window will close instead of all windows) | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | and third, it will give other programs access to a browser engine without having to load a new one into memory. | 07:39 |
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| slonopotamus | fourth, it increases memory usage even when browser is not running | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, only about 7MB. | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | MB I'm willing to trade for reduced startup time | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and when more applications start using browserd (as I know they will) it'll actually reduce memory usage. | 07:41 |
| slonopotamus | i sometimes see it forgets to free upp memory after closing microb | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | "top" numbers or "htop" numbers? | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The discussion has been had to death, anyway. | 07:41 |
| slonopotamus | ok ;) | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | If there are memory leaks, then those are bugs. | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plain and simple. | 07:42 |
| slonopotamus | anyway, it looks strange | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the setup Chrome uses | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and IE8 | 07:42 |
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| bef0rd | disco_stu, Colombia. | 07:47 |
| disco_stu | Shakira's land | 07:49 |
| solmumaha | disco_stu: try xvkbd instead | 07:49 |
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| disco_stu | solmumaha: xvkbd ? | 07:49 |
| solmumaha | it actually works | 07:50 |
| disco_stu | didnt heard of it | 07:50 |
| disco_stu | :) | 07:50 |
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| solmumaha | disco_stu: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18621&highlight=xvkbd | 07:51 |
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| disco_stu | solmumaha: is fuckin good ! | 08:00 |
| disco_stu | i mean.. it is great ! | 08:00 |
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| disco_stu | solmumaha: thakns for the advice.. | 08:01 |
| disco_stu | thanks* | 08:01 |
| solmumaha | np | 08:02 |
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| disco_stu | i dont see how xkbd is so lame | 08:04 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:09 |
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| RST38h | good mourning, gentlemen | 08:09 |
| Macer | is there any other browser than microb for maemo? | 08:09 |
| Macer | something that could render zimbra correctly? | 08:09 |
| Macer | :) | 08:09 |
| Macer | i wish i could find a better browser for my n95 | 08:10 |
| RST38h | there is Tear and Fennec Beta | 08:11 |
| disco_stu | s60 browser is awesome | 08:11 |
| RST38h | S60 browser is decent enough | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Tablet will not render Zimbra correctly any time soon, so do not get your hopes high | 08:12 |
| Macer | damn | 08:12 |
| Macer | heh | 08:12 |
| Macer | disco .. it won't work with ajax | 08:12 |
| Macer | heh... which is odd becaue the n95 is actually probably a bit stronger than my n800 | 08:13 |
| disco_stu | Macer: is a phone.. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | S60 browser supports ajax | 08:13 |
| Macer | does it? | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Albeit limited one, same as the tablet | 08:13 |
| Macer | ah | 08:13 |
| Macer | wouldn't work with zimbra's ajax interface | 08:13 |
| RST38h | It will run JavaScript, but slowly and may run out of memory. These limitations come from the hardware not the browser | 08:13 |
| Macer | neither one would :) although deblet did with iceweasel which is just ff | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Use GMail instead. | 08:13 |
| Macer | the whole point of using my own zimbra server was to wean myself off gmail | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, browser improvements can reduce the impact of hardware limitations. | 08:14 |
| Macer | it's ok. only thing i miss out on are the briefcases and docs | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Use your own Unix server and log in using Modest or SSH | 08:14 |
| Macer | which might be awesome | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's a lot of room to improve on the really old FF3 alpha MicroB is currently based on. | 08:14 |
| Macer | RST38h heh.. that's what i do now | 08:14 |
| RST38h | General: With the sheer amount of JS people are using today, abandon all hope | 08:14 |
| RST38h | At least until Moorestown arrives or something | 08:15 |
| Macer | i'm actually moving zimbra over to a new mini shuttle itx box they had for $99 | 08:15 |
| mfinkle_ | Fenec supports AJAX | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | In 2010? | 08:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles could give two shits about mobile x86. | 08:15 | |
| RST38h | General: We^H^HIntel promises one in 2009 | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and we'll have OMAP3 by then, sooooo? | 08:15 |
| Macer | mobile x86? | 08:15 |
| RST38h | General: Well, if it compares in characteristics with OMAP, then why not? | 08:16 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles whaqt are yout alking about? | 08:16 |
| RST38h | General: Instruction set surely sucks but I will let compiler deal with thart | 08:16 |
| Macer | i never said anytghing about using a moble x86 | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because there's no way it'll have similar battery life. | 08:16 |
| Macer | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer | 08:17 |
| Macer | i was going to run zimbra on the shuttle | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, RST38h brought up Moorestown. | 08:17 |
| RST38h | General: Actually, Moorestown is promied to have /10 power suckage of current Atoms, when idle | 08:17 |
| Macer | oh | 08:17 |
| RST38h | General: How they actually measure "idle" is a mystery though | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and OMAP3 has basically zero power usage when idle. :P | 08:17 |
| Macer | RST38h _ OFF | 08:17 |
| Macer | heh | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having x86 is a lot less important when you take Microsoft out of the picture | 08:18 |
| RST38h | General: Again, this depend on what you call idle | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fair enough | 08:18 |
| RST38h | General: The problem is, once it is x86, you automatically get MS in the picture =( | 08:18 |
| Macer | i need to check out deblete sometime soon | 08:18 |
| Macer | but i've been working on other things | 08:18 |
| Macer | sts and johnx have made vast improvements | 08:18 |
| RST38h | The "Can I run Office on this?" question surfaces again and again =( | 08:18 |
| Macer | haha | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Only if you pay me $500" | 08:19 |
| Macer | can i run office heh | 08:19 |
| RST38h | Which is really, REALLY bad for Moblin btw | 08:19 |
| Macer | my n95 has quickoffice | 08:19 |
| Macer | :) | 08:19 |
| RST38h | macer: They mean the real thing | 08:19 |
| Macer | oh | 08:19 |
| Macer | just slap a ms symbol on it | 08:19 |
| Macer | and say ïïit's the mobile ver made juist for you | 08:20 |
| Macer | they will think they are special | 08:20 |
| Macer | :) | 08:20 |
| RST38h | That is what MS does for WinMobile "Office" | 08:20 |
| Macer | i'm sure it is | 08:20 |
| RST38h | The only problem is, it is no real office either | 08:20 |
| suihkulokki | clippy missing :'( | 08:20 |
| disco_stu | at last i can browse the web with links2 !! | 08:20 |
| disco_stu | i'm happy :) | 08:20 |
| Macer | are people honestly expecting a full office suite? | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Yes. | 08:21 |
| Macer | i was happy i could type entire term papers on my phone with quick office | 08:21 |
| Macer | heh | 08:21 |
| Macer | talk about damage control for those late nights out | 08:21 |
| RST38h | Maybe not on a phone, but on a MID they expect Office | 08:21 |
| Macer | i think i typed 20 pages in 2 hrs with my n95 and su8w | 08:21 |
| Macer | then tell them to get a laptop | 08:21 |
| Macer | haha | 08:21 |
| RST38h | Cheater | 08:21 |
| Macer | people expect too much | 08:21 |
| RST38h | Real road warriors do not use BT keyboard | 08:22 |
| Macer | RST38h ... only reason i actually bought quick office was for that just in casae purpose | 08:22 |
| Macer | shit | 08:22 |
| Macer | fuck that heh | 08:22 |
| Macer | i'd have died trying to do it without it | 08:22 |
| RST38h | Try typing your term papr w t9 dood | 08:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 08:22 |
| Macer | that's why i got he bt kb | 08:22 |
| Macer | i don't like lugging around a laptop | 08:22 |
| RST38h | That is why I got E70 instead of overpriced N95 brick :) | 08:23 |
| Macer | my su8w and n95 do about 60% of what a laptop can | 08:23 |
| Macer | hah | 08:23 |
| Macer | it is uncomfortable to talk on | 08:23 |
| RST38h | All right, going to work. | 08:23 |
| Macer | i never talk on it without an earpiece | 08:23 |
| Macer | ok | 08:23 |
| Macer | take care | 08:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs new glasses. . . . | 08:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Bye, RST38h. | 08:23 |
| RST38h | Macer: it is 100% comfortable to talk on. It looks and feels like a phone. | 08:23 |
| Macer | hah | 08:23 |
| RST38h | You mistake E70 for E61 | 08:23 |
| Macer | yeah... | 08:24 |
| Macer | i meant the n95 | 08:24 |
| Macer | ;) | 08:24 |
| RST38h | The only problem with E70 is that people mistake it for a gun holster when it is in your pocket | 08:24 |
| Macer | haha | 08:24 |
| Macer | don't want that at school nowadays | 08:24 |
| Macer | you'll get tackled and not even know why | 08:24 |
| disco_stu | people.. see you tomorrow for more talking | 08:24 |
| RST38h | not here | 08:24 |
| disco_stu | bye | 08:24 |
| disco_stu | i'll hit the bed | 08:25 |
| RST38h | Given that police carries assault AK-47s in plain sight... =) | 08:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ak-74s | 08:26 |
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| xddeng | hello | 08:42 |
| johnx | hi | 08:43 |
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| xddeng | I have a question,Nokia whether to provide the API to amend N810 background | 08:49 |
| xddeng | somebody can give me a help | 08:50 |
| johnx | Are you looking for an API to change the background picture? | 08:50 |
| xddeng | yes | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3030 | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote ^ | 08:50 |
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| johnx | xddeng, Thank ^link^ is a request for Nokia to provide an API to change the background | 08:52 |
| * bef0rd votes | 08:52 | |
| xddeng | i am viewing it | 08:53 |
| xddeng | thanks | 08:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | Never never bought a data connection to orange ! | 09:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | they suck | 09:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 09:55 |
| johnx | hallo | 09:56 |
| johnx | did you really get disconnected right after complaining about Orange? or did you just quit on purpose? | 09:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope disconnected | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | they have decided to block port 993 | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | and smtp other than smtp.orange.fr | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, Orange sucks in the UK too. Shame you have Orange as your biggest provider :P | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | no really choice in france | 10:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | but their smtp don t work with ssl | 10:00 |
| johnx | move to Japan. 3G coverage is incredible except while hiking in the mountains | 10:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep coverage is a shame | 10:01 |
| johnx | too bad unlimited data plans are so expensive here... | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s not really a problem | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | the real problem is limited data plan | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | nammed 'unlimited' | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | with lim'ited access | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | called full internet access | 10:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/called/nammed | 10:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | they lock many things | 10:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | example the port 25 or 993 | 10:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | no ssl ... no ssh | 10:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | this suck ! | 10:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | and nothing in the CGV (in english contract) | 10:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | about that | 10:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and when they lock something the answer isn t a standart one | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | example on http | 10:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | answer isn t a 403 | 10:06 |
| johnx | do they block by port or protocol? | 10:07 |
| johnx | if it were me, I would setup an ssh tunnel or proxy on a computer with a real inet connection | 10:09 |
| RST38h | This is difficult to do on a phone | 10:10 |
| johnx | RST38h, but not on an n810... | 10:10 |
| RST38h | yea | 10:11 |
| * johnx <3 ssh tunnels | 10:11 | |
| Khertan_n810 | they block port | 10:13 |
| johnx | so don't use standard ports | 10:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | and block ssh tunneling it seems | 10:14 |
| johnx | setup an ssh server that answers on :80 | 10:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | already try | 10:14 |
| johnx | O_o | 10:14 |
| RST38h | Bastards | 10:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | stupid proxy | 10:14 |
| RST38h | Can you tunnel using HTTP packets? ;) | 10:14 |
| johnx | aaah, you're already behind a proxy? | 10:14 |
| johnx | weak sauce | 10:14 |
| RST38h | There are two possible solutions: | 10:15 |
| RST38h | 1. They probably have a special data plan that gives you complete Net access | 10:15 |
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| RST38h | 2. If they don't, drop the bastards and sign up with somebody else | 10:15 |
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| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: which one ... | 10:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | sfr do the same thing | 10:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | bouygues don t have unlimited data plan | 10:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | and do similar things too | 10:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | killing who take this decision couldn t be an option | 10:23 |
| * Khertan_n810 is in fury mode | 10:23 | |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:32 |
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| Khertan_n810 | sfr ... 5Euro / month ... for 5Mo | 10:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | great | 10:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | 1Euro / Mo | 10:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah.... | 10:40 |
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| aquatix | that's cheap; if i didn't have my flatfee subscription, i would've need to pay 0.50 EUR/100KB iirc | 10:45 |
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| prak | has erminig ever gone slow on sync'ing with google calendar? | 10:57 |
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| liri | am I the only one who finds the Media Player (the default) lacking functionality to just BROWSE directory/files instead of all the fancy sorting by Artist, Album, etc... | 11:35 |
| * aquatix wouldn't mind having a browse files option too indeed | 11:36 | |
| aquatix | as sometimes music for example is badly tagged | 11:36 |
| liri | moreover, I just categorize my music based on directories | 11:39 |
| liri | so I can make collections | 11:39 |
| liri | do you happen to know if Canola or UKMP support that browsing style? | 11:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola does. | 11:40 |
| liri | Good to hear | 11:41 |
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| liri | Although Canola's support for album cover art grabbing is awful (it's simply not working for me) | 11:41 |
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| aquatix | liri: there's also mpd and mpc | 11:55 |
| aquatix | maybe even the sonata mpd client | 11:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, more positive responses from maintainers | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boingo, too! | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Nice! | 12:06 |
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| liri | aquatix: so when media player runs on the tablet it's also running an mpd process which the mpc can connect to? | 12:09 |
| liri | aquatix: so I can run the mpc thing and connect locally to the tablet? | 12:10 |
| aquatix | liri: if you install mpd, it runs as daemon | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Marcell hooked me up with an internal contact, ended up with a General Manager. ;) | 12:10 |
| aquatix | and then you can run the mpc client to connect locally to the mpd | 12:10 |
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| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: :) | 12:11 |
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| liri | I see | 12:12 |
| liri | it's frustrating... too many programs to do simple things | 12:12 |
| liri | I like Canola for it's UPNP capabilities | 12:13 |
| liri | I like UKMP for it's song/album listing interface | 12:13 |
| aquatix | myeah, mpd is a replacement for your music player | 12:13 |
| aquatix | true | 12:13 |
| liri | and now it seems that I need mpd and mpc for the dir browsing thing | 12:13 |
| liri | it's somewhat annoying. | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: This is a list of 'user' sections used in diablo Extras: http://friendpaste.com/AmeDTYKA | 12:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think I've hit almost everybody | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to bug somebody from FBReader about libz | 12:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still a few I haven't gotten responses on | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: We might want to pick the ones from that list that seem a reasonable candidate to be added. | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe utilities | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | accessories/utilities/tools are all a bit confusing, though. | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm liking navigation more and more | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | What to do with im/communication/comm/email ;) | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | user/communication | 12:20 |
| aquatix | comm++ | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's localized | 12:21 |
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| aquatix | yeah, that sounds good | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody requested user/fonts | 12:22 |
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| X-Fade | And what to do with user/languages.. | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's in there now? h-i-m support stuff? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | Package: hebrew | 12:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seems to me like it'd work fine in Support. | 12:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Desktop is good | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toss all the applets in there | 12:27 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | What about user/cli? | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tools | 12:29 |
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| * Mousey glees | 12:29 | |
| * Mousey gets his tablet back | 12:29 | |
| Mousey | anybody seen this before? Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3.4.SINGTEL_PR_SI0 | 12:30 |
| johnx | yup, on itt a couple people have it | 12:30 |
| wiza | I only use it for gps anymore, e90 handles all the rest | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, are you in Singapore? | 12:30 |
| johnx | comes from n810s shipped by singtel :) | 12:30 |
| Mousey | no, seattle actually | 12:30 |
| Mousey | won't stop me from uping to diablo will it? | 12:31 |
| Mousey | +grade | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | How the hell did a Singtel firmware end up on your tablet? | 12:31 |
| Mousey | uh, wasn't easy | 12:31 |
| johnx | O_o | 12:31 |
| Mousey | actually, like i said, i got it back from repair | 12:31 |
| Mousey | turned it on, and hello, cool walllpaper | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | With that firmware? | 12:32 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | FROM NOKIA?! | 12:32 |
| Mousey | Palco, i guess, alabama 3rd party repair joint.. probably some ol' refurb'd part | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bizarre | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you may have some trouble upgrading | 12:32 |
| Mousey | bless their little southern hearts for sending me a working tablet tho.. ^__^ | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be able to get around it by flashing everything individually, though. | 12:33 |
| Mousey | yah, uh. i noticed it called me a name | 12:33 |
| Mousey | so no convenient --flash-it-anyway huh? | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unpack it and flash each part. | 12:34 |
| Mousey | do i need a different NOLO or something? | 12:34 |
| Mousey | oh my | 12:34 |
| * Mousey grasps at straws | 12:34 | |
| Mousey | hey, is there something i can flash [of the individual things to flash] that maybe will let me just reflash the whole image once i've done it? i mean.. once i flash every individual piece, would that mean i could then -re-flash- it with the whole image? | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe so | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | but my brain's not in the mode to either recall whether or not that's true. | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . nor ponder it out | 12:37 |
| Mousey | no no.. mine either | 12:37 |
| johnx | Mousey, search itt for singtel to get some ideas :) | 12:37 |
| Mousey | k | 12:37 |
| johnx | also save us a copy of the background first if it's cool looking :) | 12:38 |
| Mousey | yah, totally doing that | 12:39 |
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| Mousey | from apt repo | 12:51 |
| Mousey | osso-software-version-rx-44-singtel - Placeholder to support lock-down | 12:51 |
| Mousey | wow! | 12:51 |
| rmrfchik | lock down? | 12:51 |
| Mousey | i donno. that's from the apt db on my tablet | 12:51 |
| Mousey | singtel wallpaper archived | 12:55 |
| Mousey | get it while supplies last: http://ross154.net/~mprov/singtel_background.png | 12:56 |
| LinuxCode | it looks | 12:57 |
| LinuxCode | rather | 12:57 |
| LinuxCode | kiddy orientated | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | Wow, that is ... ugly ;) | 13:01 |
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| Mousey | hmm, now i get Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 13:06 |
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| Mousey | ah HA | 13:22 |
| Mousey | either i'm a complete idiot or the documentation is wrong | 13:22 |
| Mousey | [or both] | 13:22 |
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| Mousey | it flashes fine with the diablo firmware | 13:24 |
| Mousey | i see now | 13:24 |
| Mousey | i am an idiot | 13:24 |
| Mousey | the documentation is right | 13:24 |
| Mousey | yay!! i'm an idiot with a diablo firmware, better stay off the sidewalks!! ^^ | 13:25 |
| Mousey | g'nite y'all | 13:25 |
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| lardman | With the collaboration emails going back and forth, I wonder where the best place is to do this collaboration - or perhaps the earlier step of brainstorming and seeing what projects are out there, etc? | 13:28 |
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| ignacius | hi there! | 13:44 |
| ignacius | is there any gcc 4.x packege for maemo sdk? | 13:44 |
| ignacius | package | 13:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 14:17 |
| liri | hey Khertan_n810 | 14:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi liri | 14:21 |
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| liri | how's it going Khertan? | 14:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | liri > my data connection suck | 14:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | and orange has block googleimap | 14:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | i hate it | 14:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | and other mobile french isp suck so much | 14:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | that there is any other option | 14:34 |
| aquatix | lardman: and? :) | 14:35 |
| lardman | aquatix: not too embarassed, I do say "um" too often though | 14:36 |
| aquatix | you're far from the only one | 14:37 |
| * aquatix sees lots of speakers that 'um' too much | 14:38 | |
| aquatix | i guess myself included | 14:38 |
| Fatal | um | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | Google does a Nokia on Android developers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/23/android_limitations/ | 14:59 |
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| johnx | RST38h, thats hardly a restriction worth caring about ... | 15:01 |
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| prometoys | hi, is there somewhere a documentation how to port a package to maemo? | 15:24 |
| prometoys | I want to recompile the packages hugs and ocaml for maemo, both are just terminal applications | 15:26 |
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| johnx | in that case they shouldn't need to be ported | 15:27 |
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| johnx | you might want to look at mud-builder to get a headstart packaging | 15:28 |
| prometoys | johnx: ok, but I must recompile them for ARM, right? | 15:28 |
| johnx | yes | 15:28 |
| johnx | but with mud builder you can borrow the packaging work from debian for the most part | 15:29 |
| johnx | you just have to make sure that nothing in the package or the application relies on bash | 15:29 |
| prometoys | johnx: thank you for the hint, I will read the docu of mud-builder | 15:30 |
| johnx | also, make sure there isn't already an ocaml package somewhere | 15:30 |
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| prometoys | johnx: where I can search for existing packages? | 15:31 |
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| johnx | gronmayer.com/it downloads.maemo.org garage.maemo.org | 15:31 |
| johnx | and also of course "packagename maemo" on google :) | 15:31 |
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| prometoys | johnx: oh yeah, I though nobody needs such "exotic" interpreters on maemo... I need them for an university class :) | 15:34 |
| johnx | I googled maemo ocaml and found some results :) | 15:34 |
| prometoys | johnx: yes, I did this after you comment, too. And I found packages/repos for both :) | 15:35 |
| johnx | there are enough people with tablets that maybe someone else from your class has one too :) | 15:35 |
| prometoys | johnx: I don't think so, but I know few people in my uni they have it... I try to encourage them for a local maemo user group... | 15:36 |
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| prometoys | I found this repository: http://kvo.cs.uow.edu.au/~martin/maemo/repository/binary/ How is the correct syntax for the app catalouge to get the packages via software updates? | 15:49 |
| johnx | name: foo repository: http://kvo.cs.uow.edu.au/~martin/maemo/repository/ : component: binary | 15:50 |
| johnx | nothing for distribution | 15:50 |
| prometoys | thanks | 15:50 |
| johnx | I think :) | 15:50 |
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| cityLights | hi, | 15:54 |
| johnx | hello | 15:54 |
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| cityLights | i can't remove a email account | 15:54 |
| cityLights | what file holds this info in diablo? | 15:54 |
| johnx | I believe that info is stored in gconf | 15:55 |
| cityLights | how may i clear it? | 15:56 |
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| johnx | cityLights, honestly I don't know a simple, safe way to do that if the GUI way doesn't work... | 16:03 |
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| lopz | hello | 16:13 |
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| ranit | can I get repo for qt4.5 | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | ranit: Extras-devel only contains 4.4.x at the moment. | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | ranit: But there is no official 4.5 release yet, right? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | [waking up] johnx: yea, it is really nothign to worry about unless you are Handango (may it burn in hell), but it is amusingly similar to Nokia's restriction | 16:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'd say it's the polar opposite, but that's just me :) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: You are familiar with application signing guidelines in S60, aren't you? | 16:22 |
| johnx | aaah, nokia s60 | 16:22 |
| * RST38h does not mean Maemo of course | 16:22 | |
| johnx | I didn't even think about s60 | 16:23 |
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| johnx | but still anyone can distribute apps. The only question is arbitrary 3rd parties able to install things without user notifcation or consent | 16:24 |
| johnx | is there some user who *wants* that? | 16:24 |
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| ranit | i am really excited about the release .. 'cause it will have faster paintengine and hopefully dspmp3sink support.. X-Fade | 16:26 |
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| aquatix | johnx: i certainly would not indeed | 16:31 |
| aquatix | johnx: sounds malware-ish | 16:32 |
| johnx | I do love the register though, for its wonderful shock-stories :) | 16:32 |
| johnx | they're actually much worse than slashdot and that's saying something | 16:32 |
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| aquatix | johnx: yeah, i always read them for my evenly weighted news | 16:34 |
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| baconific | lardman are you around? | 16:39 |
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| baconific | how does the watchdog program know whether an application has hung and is it possible to activate it and use it in a normal installable app? | 16:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:43 |
| johnx | baconific, the app must be launched with something like: dsmetool <options> <appname> | 16:44 |
| baconific | hiya jaffa | 16:44 |
| johnx | look for examples in the init scripts | 16:44 |
| baconific | johnx great, but does it detect hung or crashed out | 16:44 |
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| johnx | crashed only I believe | 16:44 |
| johnx | I don't know how it would detect hung apps | 16:45 |
| baconific | dang, i need something to detect hung | 16:45 |
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| johnx | huh...though thinking about it, it can also detect a hung system I believe | 16:46 |
| baconific | i think ill put a wrapper and have main app ping a deadmans button (like in lost heh) every few seconds | 16:46 |
| lardman | baconific: yes | 16:46 |
| johnx | that's how dsmetool/watchdog deals with a hung system | 16:46 |
| johnx | if they don't write to a file in /proc every 30? 60? seconds the system reboots | 16:47 |
| baconific | thanks john, ill look more into it when im not so poorly | 16:47 |
| johnx | just be careful not to make the consequences worse than the situation like watchdog is now :) | 16:47 |
| baconific | ooooer not reboot lol, just kill and restart | 16:47 |
| lardman | or is it done the same way as the DSP kernel handled, it's polled every X seconds and if it doesn't respond in time it's considered to be "hung" | 16:48 |
| aquatix | lcuk: i can has bacon? | 16:48 |
| lardman | where the polling might be via dbus for example | 16:48 |
| aquatix | or baconific :) | 16:48 |
| baconific | simon :) how flexibl-le is dsp, can it read data from files directly and write to arbitary memory | 16:48 |
| baconific | aq :) | 16:48 |
| * aquatix updated liqbase last night ;) | 16:49 | |
| lardman | baconific: can't read from files directly, and can only write to a shared memory region (which you map on the ARM) | 16:49 |
| lardman | baconific: what are you thinking of? | 16:49 |
| baconific | dang! so there goes my hope of reading pngs and jpegs on a 2nd core | 16:49 |
| lardman | well you could certainly decode them there | 16:50 |
| lardman | but you need an ARM-side stub to pass buffers of data over and receive decoded data back - not a big issue | 16:50 |
| baconific | yes, i was hoping to offload as much as possible for a smooth scroll | 16:50 |
| lardman | certainly doable, I was thinking of try jpeg decompression at some point | 16:50 |
| baconific | arbitary cache window | 16:50 |
| baconific | nice then ill see if i can prep stuff in a way to test it | 16:51 |
| baconific | so if arm loads file to memory and passes pointer it might be doable | 16:51 |
| lardman | not arbitrary, you have to map the a shared memory region, then you get a buffer which the DSP can read/write | 16:51 |
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| lardman | the other option is to hook into libjpeg/libpng and use the DSP to perform the processing (use bulk buffer transfers inside that); would be transparent to the app | 16:52 |
| lardman | would also speed up any other apps that use those libs (assuming it's faster of course) | 16:52 |
| baconific | and help everyone :) i like thne idea of that more | 16:52 |
| lardman | will be interesting, will need re-entrant code as only one dsp task of a given type can run | 16:53 |
| baconific | thats got maximun scope - how does dsp do multiprocessing tho, can you continue audio whilst other things | 16:53 |
| sp3000 | oh, the maemo mapper update seems to have made every hw key "pan north" (except esc) | 16:54 |
| lardman | hmm, but perhaps that's not a major issue, just fall back to arm decoding for every other attempt to use libjpeg | 16:54 |
| lardman | baconific: yes, it's threaded | 16:54 |
| baconific | :) | 16:54 |
| baconific | im just thinkin at this point anyway, im far too bleugh to get infront of actual machine | 16:55 |
| lardman | shall I start a project? | 16:55 |
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| baconific | no1 emailme for a day or so i have stomachbug btw | 16:55 |
| lardman | I hope it will be a quick and easy port... | 16:55 |
| * sp3000 agrees that eating email may not be healthy | 16:56 | |
| lardman | but spam is full of protein! | 16:56 |
| jaska | om nom nom? | 16:56 |
| baconific | lard, dont you always curse dsp 16 bit bytes | 16:56 |
| lardman | yes | 16:56 |
| baconific | jpeg is compex algo isnt it | 16:56 |
| baconific | unless there is a prewritten dsp16 algo avail already? | 16:57 |
| lardman | yes, but there are already macros to handle at least part of the jpeg process and I think I've seen an example code too | 16:57 |
| baconific | excellent, start a pro if it will help centralize efforts, we can use it to post infoas discovered | 16:58 |
| baconific | :) should we push for a monster 16 core internet tablet | 17:00 |
| johnx | 3 cores should be enough for anyone :) | 17:01 |
| baconific | 3 *usable* cores yes | 17:01 |
| johnx | picky, picky | 17:02 |
| johnx | :P | 17:02 |
| baconific | cpu+dsp+gpu | 17:02 |
| johnx | wait+for+omap3 | 17:02 |
| baconific | heh | 17:02 |
| lardman | right, have submitted dsp-jpeg | 17:04 |
| lardman | wrong dsp, but some ideas here: http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spra704/spra704.pdf and here http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spra615/spra615.pdf | 17:04 |
| baconific | nice, would this code be usable on omap3 or are they not compatible | 17:05 |
| lardman | omap3 has an 8bit type, not sure about the intrinsics those files probably use | 17:05 |
| lardman | but should be reasonably easy to get something running - in fact the libjpeg code might even just compile | 17:06 |
| lardman | (with tweaks for input/output/etc) | 17:06 |
| baconific | yeah cool lets see | 17:06 |
| lardman | baconific: I'm not around this weekend (or tomorrow for that matter), so won't be able to do anything until next week anyway | 17:07 |
| baconific | no prob whatsoever simon, i was just thinking outloud - the number of images i am creatng now causes me to look for optimum ways to load them | 17:08 |
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| baconific | i may end up saving a thumbnail with everything i write | 17:09 |
| * baconific wouldnt like that tho | 17:09 | |
| lardman | baconific: you'll confuse people with your switching usernames, just like the general ;) | 17:10 |
| lardman | s/usernames/nicks | 17:10 |
| baconific | this is the seconhd time ive donhe this | 17:11 |
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| derf | Everyone likes bacon. | 17:11 |
| derf | Whereas lcuk just looks misspelled. | 17:12 |
| baconific | anyway im goin makin a brew back to normal later, im stuck in bed and feelin poorly and even bacon wouldnt help | 17:12 |
| johnx | dire straits indeed | 17:12 |
| baconific | oh yer | 17:12 |
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| baconific | cyas later | 17:13 |
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| lardman | bacon wouldn't help! God help him :) | 17:13 |
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| johnx | "god help him"? You already said bacon wouldn't work... *confused* | 17:15 |
| lardman | :) | 17:15 |
| lardman | s/God/FSM | 17:16 |
| lardman | meatballs are the only solution | 17:16 |
| lardman | (with bacon in them of course) | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: dsp-jpeg approved btw.. | 17:20 |
| lardman | thanks X-Fade | 17:20 |
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| lardman | Any complaints if I create a "killer app" page on the wiki for people to suggest what they think would be a "killer app"? | 17:46 |
| lardman | or is there already something similar there? | 17:47 |
| lardman | or should I tack it on as an extra section to the Nokia sponsorship page? | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | What I want is an application where I can look at the street through the camera and see openstreetmap roads overlayed with nice POIs etc. ;) | 17:48 |
| lardman | and have the app auto-recognise the street from the camera image? ;) | 17:48 |
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| X-Fade | Problem is to determine which way you are looking. | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | We would need a compass or accelerometer. So you can calibrate your direction. | 17:49 |
| lardman | yep, need a compass | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | Although walking a few paces should also help there. | 17:49 |
| lardman | anyway, that's the sort of thing that would be a killer app | 17:49 |
| lardman | X-Fade: in town the gps will return all sorts of spurious headings though | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, write some really clever filter ;) | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Or use an extra gps and combine ;) | 17:50 |
| lardman | we could simulate the wave propogation and diffraction caused by the buildings ;) | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Well, things like that need some imagination, but would be really cool projects ;) | 17:52 |
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| lardman | so how do I create a new page... | 17:53 |
| lardman | and more importantly, where? | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | https://wiki.maemo.org/dfdsfsdfsd | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe another way to do it but that's the only method I know :P | 17:54 |
| lardman | i was wondering if they have to be under some sub-dir, etc | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I think that if you create it in the wrong place, GA will move it anyway ;) | 17:54 |
| lardman | ok | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse Transmission menubars | 17:58 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Transmission menubars ! | 17:58 |
| lardman | https://wiki.maemo.org/Killer_Apps | 17:58 |
| lardman | right, let's go! | 17:58 |
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| jaska | :( | 18:06 |
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| * qwerty12 dons a police officer suit and asks yacoob wtf is he doing with tonsils | 18:30 | |
| yacoob | "Collecting. Can you say 'aaaa'?" | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | aaaa | 18:31 |
| yacoob | *fwoosh* | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | ocuh | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | i cannae speak noo moar | 18:31 |
| yacoob | wheee, free tonsils! | 18:31 |
| yacoob | (actually, the last line sounds scary. I'll remove myself from keyboard. :) | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | You've been logged. Expect a real visit from the police :) | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:32 |
| johnx | and qwerty12's been logged impersonating a police officer :P | 18:32 |
| yacoob | ...which brings us to very interesting question. Can you determine my address, having only my nickname? | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | oops | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | yacoob: They'll hold mgedmin first and make him reveal your ip :p | 18:33 |
| yacoob | this probably wouldn't help | 18:33 |
| yacoob | okay, after third hop... | 18:34 |
| johnx | then they'll look at your host mask :) | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, hell.pl | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | I hear Poland is hell :p | 18:34 |
| johnx | netcraft confirms it! | 18:35 |
| yacoob | yeah, I should have picked something more exotic | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | heh, GA is certainly leading the ego poll on iTT | 18:36 |
| yacoob | a place where they only speak 13th century Flemish | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | (an ego for a person in his position is a good thing though) | 18:36 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: go on, add your idea! | 18:48 |
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| penguinbait | are we having fun yet :) | 18:52 |
| penguinbait | ? | 18:52 |
| lardman | nearly 5pm :) | 18:52 |
| penguinbait | almost noon here :( | 18:53 |
| jaska | oh well, now i need another way to map ` [ ] { } | 18:53 |
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| penguinbait | Man I really know how to clear a room :) | 19:05 |
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| johnx | clear it and refill it, too | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm doing that just now. gf coming home so i'm hiding the gadgets | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | and when she's gone back, back on table ;) | 19:09 |
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| johnx | heh...my wife doesn't give mind the gadgets ... as long as they stay on *my* desk | 19:11 |
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| * Stskeeps has put her new ipaq 3630 on her table, though | 19:11 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
| johnx | but lately she's been eying my n800 O_o | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | let's see how she reacts to it | 19:11 |
| penguinbait | I got my wife an 810 and it was the best investment ever | 19:12 |
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| penguinbait | except when I have to tell her to put it down and make dinner :) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | my gf would probably get my n800 when n900 comes out :P | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | No more complaining all I do is "play with your stupid computer" | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | heheh | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: seems like xorg omapfb driver is coming along nicely btw | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | (non-kdrive) | 19:19 |
| johnx | interesting | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | with xv accel too | 19:20 |
| johnx | quite impressive | 19:20 |
| johnx | I bet TI and Nokia have a big part in that :) | 19:20 |
| * Stskeeps points to kulve, zuh | 19:21 | |
| johnx | :) | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm not sure it's an TI/Nokia effort | 19:21 |
| johnx | very impressive then | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | okay, my glibc compile has completeld and utterly stalled, heh | 19:25 |
| johnx | glibc? with optimizations? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum smtp is now block too | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | orange really suck ! | 19:27 |
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| * Stskeeps tries doing it with distcc this time around. | 19:33 | |
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| johnx | canola+upnp = totally awesome | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, stealing derf's code, sweat & hard work and guess work (did I mention I'm not a programmer :P) and I have transmission that goes fullscreen | 19:40 |
| johnx | neat | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | I'll shove it in extras-devel now. Still could do with work but it works better than pipeline's builds :) | 19:41 |
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| johnx | so, I've concluded that my apartment is basically a faraday cage: I get no FM signal inside it | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | With any radio or did I apply that patch dodgily... | 19:44 |
| johnx | well...and this is kind strange for me: I don't actually *own* anything else with a built in FM radio O_o | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | :), Looking at it, I probably did apply it correctly because I wouldn't be getting static at all here :p | 19:45 |
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| johnx | yeah, I think it's fine | 19:46 |
| l7_ | ugh, what happ | 19:46 |
| l7_ | what happened to the options to use google maps in maemo mapper? | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | The option to download map repo's moved from the map dialog box to the menu. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | -'s | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | +s | 19:47 |
| l7_ | oh, let me check | 19:47 |
| l7_ | phew :) | 19:47 |
| johnx | and mediabox svn shows the right frequencies and even stops once while scanning like it found a station | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i get zip fm signal when in my entrance :P | 19:47 |
| johnx | I think my apt is made of steel O_o | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | this dorm i live at is known to be the only dorm still standing after a nuclear blast | 19:48 |
| johnx | nuclear test ground university? | 19:48 |
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| johnx | have any zombie problems? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, did a check, the patch is applied properly: "6 out of 6 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file radio-tea5761.c.rej" | 19:49 |
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| johnx | yeah, I didn't really doubt that. I'll head out later today (tomorrow) and test it | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | According to the mediabox guy (who also made that patch), it was tested successfully in Japan :) | 19:50 |
| johnx | huh | 19:50 |
| johnx | it's totally my apt then | 19:50 |
| johnx | weird | 19:50 |
| l7_ | hrm, i don't understand why so many apps default to saving into your onboard memory | 19:51 |
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| johnx | because not everyone has an n800 | 19:51 |
| johnx | s/n800/n810/ | 19:51 |
| infobot | johnx meant: because not everyone has an n810 | 19:51 |
| disco_stu | hi ! | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: actually we do.. once i was standing outside my uni building and a couple of very old ladies came walking.. totally walking like zombies | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | that was bizarre | 19:52 |
| l7_ | i guess i could replace those directories with symlinks | 19:52 |
| l7_ | too lazy right now to test it | 19:52 |
| disco_stu | blah | 19:52 |
| disco_stu | s/blah/bleh | 19:52 |
| disco_stu | lazy bot.. | 19:53 |
| johnx | watch your syntax :) | 19:53 |
| disco_stu | s/blah/bleh/ | 19:53 |
| disco_stu | haha | 19:53 |
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| johnx | s/watch your syntax/it only works on the last thing you typed/ | 19:53 |
| infobot | johnx meant: it only works on the last thing you typed :) | 19:53 |
| disco_stu | i see | 19:53 |
| disco_stu | s/see/See/ | 19:54 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: i See | 19:54 |
| disco_stu | lol | 19:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone know what locales are supported by maemo? | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Never mind, locale -a works a treat | 19:56 |
| disco_stu | i found xvbkd to be the best app for maemo | 19:57 |
| disco_stu | never using the hildon keyboard anymore | 19:57 |
| johnx | not a big fan of fullscreen keyboards? | 19:58 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: it is good for xterm, links2 and that kind of appz | 19:58 |
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| disco_stu | beacuse with a click you can send Ctrl+C | 19:59 |
| disco_stu | for example | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that poll makes me sad. :( | 19:59 |
| johnx | I just put shortcuts on the bottom of my osso-xterm... | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: just wait, i'm an upcomer :P | 19:59 |
| disco_stu | johnx: try xvkbd .. | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: but anyway, ego is a good thing, - atleast you're not Theo-mad-eogo ;) | 20:00 |
| johnx | disco_stu, maybe later....I'm actually really happy with Nokia's input stuff | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever people may think, I'm just not that self-centered. | 20:01 |
| disco_stu | johnx: the stock input methods aren't good for xterm | 20:02 |
| johnx | I appreciate your input. I find them adequate. | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The religion thread made me laugh watching two of my more favorite idiots duke it out. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe, i see ego more as "strong personality", i guess :) | 20:02 |
| MangoFusion | somebody made a religion thread? | 20:03 |
| MangoFusion | how insane are they? | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | MangoFusion, penguinbait, of course. | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | It was obvious what was going to happen in the thread anyway :p | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not so bad if you put it that way, but I doubt most of the voters would. ;) | 20:04 |
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| _julian | hi | 20:08 |
| _julian | what would you suggest for starting an application right after maemo boot up automatically? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: want to be test person of a optimized glibc once this thing is done distccing? | 20:08 |
| johnx | sure | 20:08 |
| johnx | can I just dpkg -i or will it be a new install? | 20:09 |
| melmoth | _julian: /etc/init.d and regular system V init script s ? though i m not sure it will have a DISPLAY | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | think it would dpkg -i'able | 20:09 |
| melmoth | but it may launch an osso service request | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | and a new install if it hoses it ;) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | (i will test on my own install too) | 20:09 |
| johnx | mine's been sitting dormant, so I'm happy to go first if it makes it easier | 20:10 |
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| johnx | been playing with other desktops on my zaurus | 20:10 |
| disco_stu | johnx: are zaurus better than NIT's ? | 20:10 |
| disco_stu | i've heard a lot about them | 20:11 |
| johnx | it depends on what you want | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. my deblet work isn't so active right now either | 20:11 |
| johnx | but I'd say no | 20:11 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: as for newtons, the experience is better than with a NIT, even when newton is old | 20:12 |
| johnx | disco_stu, really. how's the web browsing on newtons over wifi? | 20:12 |
| johnx | do they have a good command line environment? | 20:12 |
| disco_stu | johnx: PIM oriented activity | 20:13 |
| johnx | ah, I do PIM on my phone. my main interest is web/music/video/ and sometimes commandline | 20:13 |
| _julian | melmoth: hmm ok, should be possible | 20:14 |
| * Stskeeps would really enjoy a simple ical reader + "internal" "mail to myself" button | 20:14 | |
| disco_stu | is a good way | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | so i can get my ical from my work calendar, and mail new items on the fly / queue to when i'm nearby wifi again | 20:14 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Doesn't mcalendar do that? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i guess i should try it out eventually | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, SSH works on the Newton. ;) | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Web browsing is about as good as one would expect for a device from 1996. | 20:16 |
| johnx | I'm not knocking it for its *time* | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tablets kind of felt like a logical next step to me. | 20:16 |
| johnx | just as I'd expect anyone to respect a zaurus 5500 circa 2002 | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I use the devices very differently. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newton is more of an electronic piece of paper. Sketching, note taking, PIM, etc. while the tablets are internet, communication, and media-oriented. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should get lcuk a Newton to play with. . . . | 20:18 |
| johnx | I'm really starting to like the idea of a clamshell foldout "book" with two edge-to-edge touchscreens | 20:18 |
| johnx | hopefully with minimal bezel between them | 20:18 |
| johnx | but sadly, no one has hired me as a design consultant yet :/ :P | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any opinions on whether user/navigation belongs in our list of valid categories? | 20:20 |
| johnx | what's in it? | 20:20 |
| RST38h | Newton was quite a thick and heavy piece of paper | 20:20 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Additional_categories :) | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS and mapping applications | 20:20 |
| johnx | maybe user/location ? | 20:21 |
| * RST38h wonders whether he can talk lcuk into changing concept a little | 20:21 | |
| * lcuk is listening :) | 20:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, I only tried to carry it in a pocket once. ;) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | dear god - don't tell me qole started redistributing flash + the flash hack in the image file. i really tried hard to avoid that situation | 20:21 |
| cityLights | i can't remove an account at modest email/client | 20:21 |
| RST38h | General: you could probably use it as a blunt object though... | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The screen size was really an advantage, though. | 20:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I would do away with the top menu. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Made it easier to write on. | 20:21 |
| cityLights | can i remove it using gconf? | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, thanks! ;) | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got an email back from Marko. | 20:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well, you remember what I did in beta3... | 20:22 |
| lcuk | just open media reading: available to draw or type or nick camera and audio from - an open input multi format device? | 20:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Would just have a huge piece of "paper", scrollable one, with settable background (like Xournal) | 20:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, also, it's a good test to see if qgil was speaking for all Nokia :) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | true | 20:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Now, the display would have normal paint tools that you have right now (as icons of course) | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: then again i make absolutely sure it's done on tablet or acquired from rootfs to construct th eimage | 20:23 |
| * johnx dreams of active digitizers... | 20:23 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: For camera use, it would have a camera icon - you press the button and it places camera snapshot at whatever part of the "paper" you are currently viewing - you can add your own doodles straight on top og it afterwards | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be a matter of a cp in the postinst of this thing | 20:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: what do digitizers dream about though? | 20:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, me! | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: then again i don't understand why noone has tried to get flash on the other armel platforms just yet | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | yes rst, im considering things like that already, getting the data into the system is more important, i will add additional interfaces to playing as i get round to building them | 20:24 |
| johnx | what other armel platforms? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | however for now i must slow right down | 20:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: For document viewing, there would be an "open document" icon that would put the whole document at the current paper" location, extended down - again, you can write your doodles on top | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well, i'm inclined to think it would work on similar devices to the n8x0's | 20:25 |
| lcuk | johnx, http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG | 20:25 |
| johnx | archos has it, iphone runs osx, zaurus doesn't have the guts for it anyways, | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | true | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The key is to make it look like an APPLICATION not like a demo though | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | i guess pandora isn't even out yet | 20:25 |
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| suihkulokki | openmoko doesn't have guts either | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Once it is an application, lots more people will use it and comment on it | 20:25 |
| johnx | lcuk, exactly, except with a hinge in the middle :) | 20:25 |
| * Stskeeps should test on the beagleboard.. | 20:25 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, currently its perfect as it is: i simply let someone look at my "demo" and i get a photo of them, some doodles and input from them - its interactive and simple and later on i recall who they were and what was happening | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | its a sharing tool and does not have to be formal | 20:26 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, the pandora guys are already talking about it. Lots of users want to use maemo in binary form, without thought to legality | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it's funny how open source thought and piracy goes handy in hand at times.. | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | remember RST38h i wrote this for myself right now. it is the start of what *i* want for a program and i aim to see what works on a touchscreen. because my coding time is limited i have to make user #1 happy :) when i get more time with this i will do a lot more | 20:28 |
| RST38h | yes, I understand | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: but maemo in binary form isn't directly impossible | 20:28 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hmm...I think the situation with the pandora has more to do with its emulator/ROMs roots | 20:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles fires a warning shot over Stskeeps' bow. | 20:28 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ah | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | that too :P | 20:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h,, probably just bein overly touchy cos i would love to expand these ideas and do even more with it | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | Isn't Maemo open source in the sense that other manufacturers can use it if they want to? | 20:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you are ok :) | 20:29 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, they can use the parts that are open | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not "Maemo" in whole. | 20:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, which gets you a panel and some UI libs | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | As "Maemo" includes binary parts | 20:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: just think more of presenting it to other people, as it is no longer an internal project ;) | 20:30 |
| johnx | and a demo app | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'd stil llike to see if people can construct maemo from scratch really | 20:30 |
| lcuk | yeah i know :$ | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | that's a test if a system is properly open soure really | 20:30 |
| lcuk | still gotta get used to that i suppose | 20:30 |
| lcuk | but ive coded so much for myself for years its hard to break that | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, then go and show Nokia the areas where they fail. | 20:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: people are kinda stupid in the sense that presentation matters more to them than the actual functionality | 20:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: See: Steve Jobs ;) | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm afraid i'll go absolutely insane before i get to a proper summary | 20:31 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's a lot of work just to prove a point | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fair enough | 20:31 |
| lcuk | to me the interaction is more important - liqbase responds to a user as they expect and the unfinished interface proves that it works | 20:31 |
| * RST38h thinks Nokia should just allow running Maemo on Pandora | 20:31 | |
| RST38h | No big deal. | 20:31 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think both of us can honestly say that bringing a whole distribution to a platform is easier than bringing maemo to another distro | 20:31 |
| lcuk | RST38h, did you see that people sussed about the theming | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Nobody takes away the interaction ;) Actually, the suggested changes improve it | 20:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: THEMING? Geeks! =) | 20:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, they seem intent on casting it into a grey area. "It's ok, and we probably won't sue you...unless we change our mind later if it gets popular." | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | right, getting cigs and food | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 20:32 |
| johnx | 'later | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Pandora is no threat to Nokia | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Much smaller outfit, hobbyist niche, no phone hw | 20:33 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i had loads of people saying "i dont like the buttons with words on | 20:33 |
| johnx | RST38h, did you read qgil's post about it? | 20:33 |
| RST38h | not yet | 20:33 |
| RST38h | where? | 20:34 |
| johnx | one sec | 20:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, I also agree that words must go. | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Replce them with simple clean white icons with black outlines (just in case the screen becomes white) | 20:34 |
| lcuk | dev version here has everything replaced, but i dont like it so my theme will be "remove all theming ;)" | 20:34 |
| RST38h | But theming them is probably excessive :) | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | any sketch can be used to repalce any ui element :) | 20:35 |
| lcuk | button ^ | 20:35 |
| RST38h | umgh | 20:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233546&postcount=24 | 20:35 |
| lcuk | heh, it works you know :P | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The marble background from Win95 has to go. | 20:35 |
| RST38h | I would prefer predesigned icons :) | 20:35 |
| * johnx doesn't like legal grey area in big projects... | 20:35 | |
| RST38h | Not all things you CAN do, you SHOULD do :) | 20:35 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is a sensible answer. he is basicaly asking pandora guys to talk to him directly. | 20:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: once they do, the area will become either white or black | 20:36 |
| RST38h | but they have to come with a concrete request for concrete stuff, which is logical | 20:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, nothing is stopping me from tweaking this slightly to allow a themeset to be packaged up and used by anyone :) | 20:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Engadget posters wanting 2GB of RAM on a MID. | 20:37 | |
| RST38h | General: And I am sure they want MS Office with that :) | 20:37 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I do wonder how many watts of DC that would pull... | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Does the Atom even support 2GB yet? | 20:38 |
| * disco_stu starts reading about ipsec | 20:38 | |
| lcuk | anyway, im vanihsing again, head is still swimming looking at the screen | 20:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, I kind of got the feeling that it was more "Start the project, then maybe later we'll do something one way or the other." | 20:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Notice that I did not ask for a themable UI, I just asked for nicer icons :) | 20:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: that too - you can't make a concrete request until you start the project | 20:38 |
| lcuk | heh yeah - but if someone is an icon artist and they make some nice ones, it would be nice to allow them to be shared | 20:39 |
| * lcuk actually wants sketch animations | 20:39 | |
| RST38h | Russia Mandates Free Software For Public Schools <--- Microsoft finally undid itself | 20:39 |
| RST38h | at least locally | 20:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles has a flashback to a lab full of shitty Dells running XP. | 20:40 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: just steal some, creatively. gimme a moment. | 20:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, on the other side, I'm not going to sink time into something that's on shaky legal ground | 20:40 |
| lcuk | its ok im goin, RST38h we shall continue another time :) | 20:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, RE: MS in Russia. China's not too warm and fuzzy about MS these days either :) | 20:40 |
| * RST38h has flashbacks to labs full of shitty microVAXen running Ultrix | 20:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's why we need to find somebody more gullible and with fewer scruples! | 20:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I will find some for the next time | 20:40 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, there will be a hacked up maemo running on the pandora, I have no doubt | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | There already is on the Beagle. | 20:41 |
| johnx | but I'm not going to sink my time into it | 20:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: MS made headlines by trying to sue some poor school director who has got a bunch of PCs with pirated Windows | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I've yet to get real details on the specifics of the implementation. | 20:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: Actually, they wanted his confession but got a finger instead | 20:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, heard about that. how did that turn out? | 20:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, today you can see hoe it turned out :) | 20:42 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, specifics? get a basic console+x11 install done. pile everything maemo-ish into place, hack around the outside until it runs. :) | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, those aren't specifics. :P | 20:42 |
| suihkulokki | I think you assuming too much if you expect that Nokia lawyers have *time* to look at which "joe random hacker in basement" project uses closed code from nokia | 20:43 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, meh. the rest is just implementation | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK_ | atom? 2GB? I have one with 2 gig ram if that's what you mean... | 20:43 |
| suihkulokki | however, they will come after you if start making devices and puttin N software there | 20:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My approach was just cloning a Maemo rootfs to an SD card and trying to boot directly from the kernel without an initfs. | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested in knowing how they set up the initfs. | 20:44 |
| johnx | suihkulokki, I'm not expecting big lawsuits, just a cease and desist maybe months or years down the road after it makes news in engadget and some higher-up Nokia suit reads it and asks "Why is our software on that other device? WTH?" | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12 | They probably don't, initfs is very internet tablet specific. Though it isn't hard to modify the initfs. | 20:45 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's probably a hybridized setup. Basic Debian (or angstrom) beagle image with x server, then manually copy maemo libs and binaries into it | 20:45 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's probably completely fragile. For example I'd expect installing anything would break it | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hmm . . . Fallout 3 is close. | 20:49 |
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| penguinbait | GA think you were elected, everyone voted for you | 20:49 |
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| penguinbait | My next poll "do you like walks on the beach" | 20:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles plans more evil things for the council. | 20:52 | |
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| johnx | "first order of business, renaming from maemo council to evil council to fit our new agenda" | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Retribution move against the council, not against the community at large. | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://benno.id.au/blog/ | 20:53 |
| johnx | disappointing :/ | 20:53 |
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| johnx | woohoo! | 20:53 |
| johnx | jeez, that guy's been busy | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | think he was involved with some of the L4 microkernel stuff too | 20:55 |
| gregorovius | I'd say 'evil council of evil' | 20:56 |
| gregorovius | that's... more evil | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say "the rest of the council are now working for Darius" | 20:56 |
| * johnx dreams of android for armv4 (not armv4t) | 20:56 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well of course. He's so charismatic | 20:56 |
| RST38h | General: Have they all got their aminazin shots? | 20:57 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, did you catch the follow-up to your bug comment about the charger message? | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, nope, sounds good though | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *cracks knuckles* :p | 21:26 |
| johnx | heh ... 226 microamps | 21:26 |
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| * RST38h started getting spam in Polish | 21:45 | |
| MangoFusion | spam w języku polskim? | 21:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, my spam folder looks like the email marketing version of the UN... | 21:47 |
| zap_ | My mom sometimes ask me "Andrew, I got a message telling I won $1000000000. Should I contact them?" | 21:48 |
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| MangoFusion | yes | 21:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Think that's bad? :p . My dad installed some spyware and got links to blowjob, free dvd, sex | 21:50 |
| zap | whoa, now he got an occupation :P | 21:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lol, it didn't make those links after analyzing his browser habits :p | 21:51 |
| johnx | my phone's email address was getting spammed so bad I had to basically stop receiving mail on it :/ | 21:52 |
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| disco_stu | hey i made a cute discovery | 21:54 |
| zap | Anybody uses NFS on Maemo? The portmap package seems missing... | 21:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | zap, it's in the diablo sdk repo | 21:56 |
| disco_stu | im using hildon keyboard with vnc | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | now they should do that for rdesktop | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
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| disco_stu | im with rdesktop now | 22:01 |
| disco_stu | but with xvkbd | 22:01 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: and where do I get the NFS kernel modules? | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/k/kernel-diablo/kernel-diablo-modules-extra_2.6.21-200835maemo1_all.deb | 22:24 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is reminded to attempt cleaning more articles from the midgard | 22:25 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ wiki | 22:25 |
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| zap | aha | 22:30 |
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| zap | whoa cool. | 22:33 |
| zap | damnit, I postponed my kernel-modules project for later, but it seems nothing have changed with latest release | 22:33 |
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| l7 | hey, does anyone here know of a reliable source of SD card speed rankings? | 22:36 |
| l7 | i just recieved a card that writes at 2-3 MB/s | 22:36 |
| l7 | unless i'm mistaken, it's a POS | 22:36 |
| zap | its a failure | 22:36 |
| l7 | yeah, it's a class 6 card, so it should write at at least 6 MB/s | 22:37 |
| l7 | reformatted the thing too, though i wonder if it might be my card reader | 22:37 |
| l7 | though it reader works fine with other cards | 22:37 |
| zap | test it on nokia | 22:37 |
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| l7 | yeah, i'm about to do that | 22:37 |
| zap | time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null count=100 bs=1M | 22:38 |
| l7 | are both the internal and external n800 memory slots equally fast? | 22:38 |
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| ShadowJK_ | zap, that tests read speed | 22:38 |
| zap | yep | 22:38 |
| zap | if you want to test write, do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 | 22:38 |
| l7 | it reads at about 15MB/s | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | will erase card | 22:38 |
| zap | but that will destroy the contents | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | I want a card with low write amplification factor so that swap would be faster | 22:39 |
| l7 | booting the n800 now | 22:39 |
| l7 | ShadowJK_: yeah that's what i'm looking for too | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | I don't think they make any cards like that though | 22:41 |
| l7 | what's the next best thing available now though? | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | no idea | 22:41 |
| l7 | it seems like cards vary in write performance and also with large and small files | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | Even with SSD there's basically only the new intel SSD that doesn't suck | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | yes | 22:41 |
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| l7 | for swap performance, i guess you'd want it to read and write small files quickly | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK_ | yes | 22:42 |
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| ShadowJK_ | If you write just 4K, the card itself will have to erase and write 512k. Might be similar for reading too. The result is that when swapping, 4K chunks written pretty much randomly across the card, the write speed degrades to a few hundred kilobytes/sec, at best | 22:43 |
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| l7 | hmm | 22:46 |
| l7 | looks like i have to reflash my device to recover my root password | 22:47 |
| l7 | it is possible to recover the root password without reflashing? | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | install rootsh from extras (easier) or enable rd mode | 22:48 |
| l7 | hrm, i'll give that a try in a sec | 22:49 |
| l7 | read speed from the nokia to the computer is rather slow, only 5MB/s | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with rootsh, get a root shell (rootsh bypasses asking root password) because it's using sudo. after that, run passwd and change it or copy /etc/passwd to the computer and run something like john the ripper | 22:50 |
| l7 | john the ripper might take a long time :) | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 22:50 |
| l7 | on my computer anyway | 22:50 |
| l7 | write performance from computer to n800's card is still 2mb/s | 22:51 |
| * qwerty12_N800 loves rainbow tables for local windows passwords | 22:51 | |
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| l7 | heh | 22:53 |
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| l7 | funny, my other adata card writes at 9MB/s and reads at 10MB/s | 22:59 |
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| johnx | crappy adata card? | 23:00 |
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| johnx | I have two. one actually works... | 23:01 |
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| l7 | yeah | 23:02 |
| l7 | one i bought from newegg a while back and it works fine | 23:02 |
| l7 | this 2mb/s one i got from supermediastore on sale for 30 bucks | 23:02 |
| l7 | i guess if the price is that low, it's suspicious | 23:03 |
| nemo | qwerty12_N800: you can still do a rainbow table for windows? | 23:05 |
| nemo | qwerty12_N800: thought they kicked the hashes up? | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | which ironically takes longer time than compiling | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nemo, no idea about vista + server 2007 but i'm doing it with xp + server 2003 systems fine | 23:08 |
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| l7 | hrm, no matter how i reformat this thing, it gets 2mb/s write and 4.5mb/s read from the n800 | 23:09 |
| nemo | qwerty12_N800: how big a rainbow table? | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nemo, can't remember the specifics but around 1gb | 23:09 |
| nemo | ok. that's just sad | 23:09 |
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| nemo | anything under a terabyte and you've got a portable rainbow these days. under a petabyte and you have something that can be provided as a web service. | 23:10 |
| xorAxAx | is it possible to run apps compiled for chinook on diablo devices? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | the basic application will work, but if it uses libraries which have changed then it wont | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | my application was compiled for a long time in chinook and i never heard from anyone it would not run in diablo | 23:13 |
| xorAxAx | well, it uses a lot libs :) | 23:14 |
| xorAxAx | but assuming that the package names didnt change ... | 23:14 |
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| Bilaw | Hello there! | 23:47 |
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