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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, for os-v, is it required that the user has the 0option* of turning off the legal warning? | 00:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | -O | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing in particular is required | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's a patch I'd like to bundle with the community application manager, though. | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: bootmenu preference btw - that when package is installed, it has flashed/fixed initfs? | 00:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles fires off a "What the hell is with the goddamn servers?!" email to -community. | 00:03 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or "install bootmenu" menu item | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, my plan was to bundled only the bootmenu-capable initfs with osv-c. | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My 1st simple patch works but i'm having problems with the one where i give the user the option | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and whether you see it or not would depend on your settings in the control panel. | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | me and fanoush are discussing bootmenu a bit and how to go around making it more mainstream | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't really have any opinions on how it should be done for regular osv | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | (probably good i have fanoush to talk a bit to, i'd probably be a bit reckless else..) | 00:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I'll get a Garage page up at some point and we can start collecting them and getting more people involved. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | --other than that I don't think the "Install bootmenu" .desktop is very elegant. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | probably not, but it's a first step | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | and it would (for diablo) be a mount initfs probably | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | +remount rw | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok, ta, it would be nice. I've got the settings part sorted, just having troubles when it comes to the if statements for the actuall install process | 00:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, didn't know Tim has problems with his plumbing :p | 00:07 |
| zakkm | why would you need if statements in an install? | 00:10 |
| zakkm | you already know the hardware, the configs, etc | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no no, i'm talking about the application manager like when it comes to install the application, if showlegal; etc if !showlegal; etc | 00:11 |
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| mfinkle_ | nemo: it's probably not any faster, but it might take longer to run out of memory | 00:13 |
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| lopz | hi | 00:13 |
| shapr | y0 | 00:13 |
| nemo | mfinkle_: ah. 'cause the fennec dev I was chatting with (are you one?) blamed it on the memory allocation | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/nokia-survey-finds-that-many-americans-work-on-the-can-the-defi/ | 00:14 |
| nemo | mfinkle_: he said that fennec still, at present, required about 60 megs, and with this whole preloading thing, the N810 only had about 40 free by default | 00:14 |
| shapr | I want to try fennec! Where is it? | 00:14 |
| nemo | mfinkle_: personally, that seems like a lot of memory, my old laptop running seamonkey only needs like 15 megs for the suite | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | shapr, still not in Extras-devel. . . . :P | 00:15 |
| shapr | bah | 00:15 |
| Pavlov | ... | 00:15 |
| Pavlov | ;p | 00:15 |
| mfinkle_ | 60 megs is way too high | 00:15 |
| Pavlov | yeah, 60 doesn't sound right at all | 00:15 |
| mfinkle_ | especially for 1 tab open | 00:15 |
| * qwerty12_N800 "durfs" with my tablet... | 00:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Is that real MB or top "MB"? | 00:16 |
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| mfinkle_ | shapr: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a1/releasenotes/ - 1 click install | 00:16 |
| shapr | yay! | 00:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles grumbles about the proliferation of 3rd-party repositories. . . . | 00:16 | |
| mfinkle_ | life is about 3rd parties | 00:17 |
| mfinkle_ | (and we'll get there) | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3rd party repositories hurt developers and hurt users. | 00:17 |
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| shapr | how so? | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | (and hurt me :() | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it makes it harder for users to find software, and increases the likely hood them damaging their system. | 00:18 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wishes numptyphysics guy would upload to diablo extras too - hate having to add chinook extras | 00:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It also makes my job harder, as instead of just saying to a user who wants to install x "Enable Extras and install x", I have to spend 5 minutes telling them how to add x's repository to h-a-m. | 00:23 |
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| EgS | GeneralAntilles: I'm pretty new to packing in general: what is needed to build a package of my app and make it available in an offical repo? | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 00:25 |
| infobot | it has been said that uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 00:25 |
| woglinde | EgS you have to look at the debian news maintainer guide | 00:25 |
| woglinde | with some tweaks for maemo | 00:25 |
| EgS | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 00:25 |
| EgS | woglinde: you mean regarding packing itself? | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, wee, now will i be able to find the easter egg? | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-packaging is http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 00:26 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 00:26 |
| EgS | GeneralAntilles: thanks again :) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (though i've seen what it is but...) | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | god, #android attracts more trolls than a bridge | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | atleast the troll level in this channel isn't that high | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | We only have to deal with Stskeeps. :P | 00:28 |
| * shapr snickers | 00:28 | |
| EgS | GeneralAntilles: is there a separate repo or some keyword for CVS builds? | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i'm not completely against maemo :P | 00:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps is just against the open-source parts. | 00:29 |
| EgS | GeneralAntilles: uhm... I think that sounded stupid... I meant CVS-style-builds... some sort of nightly builds | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | EgS, Extras-devel is for unstable stuff | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 00:30 |
| infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe not quite as unstable as nightlies, but alpha and beta stuff. | 00:30 |
| EgS | jeah but if you (the developer) sees that a new feature as reached some level of stability and usability one could build and upload a new package there to, right? | 00:32 |
| EgS | *has reached... | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 00:33 |
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| EgS | thanks... I think I have to read up some stuff... until now I just upload the binary compiled in scratchbox to my webhost (well that was more a proof of concept that my app runs on maemo) | 00:35 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why there hasn't been a maemo vs android flamewar on ITT yet | 00:35 | |
| Stskeeps | there's so much to grab at | 00:35 |
| EgS | :) | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | then again, they do target two different things | 00:35 |
| inz | Sts, why don't you go create one? | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | inz: i'm not that bored | 00:36 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps hm because its to diffrent | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, fingers crossed there isn't one. i hear so much shit with those threads | 00:36 |
| inz | Sts, ...yet | 00:36 |
| woglinde | java vs. gtk | 00:36 |
| woglinde | glibc vs. bionic | 00:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 00:37 |
| EgS | java vs gtk? I thought it was Qt vs gtk ;) | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | inz: heated discussions are only interesting if they have something constructive coming out of it :P | 00:37 |
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| inz | Sts, so heated discussions are never interesting... ;) | 00:38 |
| woglinde | EgS android is using a java derivat | 00:38 |
| EgS | ooh right... I already left the android topic behind :) | 00:39 |
| woglinde | egs today the source code was opened | 00:39 |
| woglinde | tomorrow the deliver/selling of g1 begins | 00:39 |
| EgS | oh thats the cause for the increased android-noise :) | 00:41 |
| zakkm | android looks sick :) | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | what i will give maemo however, it's polished, it has seamless connectivity, a vibrant hacking community, "open" structure of maemo.org , interaction directly with community on forums and such, and quite a lot of flexibility for experimentation | 00:41 |
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| Mousey | Stskeeps: and nobody's gonna rape your system if they find an application they deem "unworthy" | 00:41 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: google users are more of the kind that are happy to use what google gives them, even if it's just gratis and not free. | 00:42 |
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| Veggen | nothing wrong with gratis, but people should be more educated. Some people will gladly do things they are not allowed to do with google property because they think they are allowed since google provides it for free... | 00:43 |
| yacoob | why would there be a maemo vs android flame/ | 00:44 |
| yacoob | s#/#?# | 00:44 |
| yacoob | those are different things | 00:44 |
| gomiam | yacoob: because some people like to flame for the hell of it. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, so are the iPhone and the tablets. | 00:45 |
| yacoob | gomiam, okay, here's something more challenging: iPhone vs Easter. | 00:45 |
| gomiam | XD | 00:45 |
| gomiam | that's an easy one: all iPhone users are heathens! | 00:45 |
| yacoob | now iphone vs g1 flame would have a grain of sense in that | 00:45 |
| yacoob | (if it's g1, not android) | 00:46 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, my view on android is not so much the stuff itself, but the fact it's possible to adopt android to your device (arm only or x86 too), because the platform is open sourced. i can't easily build a maemo from scratch for another device | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It still cracks me up that all of the G1 pictures on the net show it will a lopsided display. | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | maemo/ITOS | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | and that is a bit of a game changer | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITOS is deprecated. | 00:47 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps you can add other archs too | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like the old iMac all over again. | 00:47 |
| yacoob | Stskeeps, yeah. At the same time, all android software would have to be written from scratch | 00:47 |
| woglinde | I looked at the bionic stuff some minutes ago | 00:47 |
| yacoob | which is not that good either | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | yacoob: that's true | 00:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and that's a force for maemo that it's "backwards compatible" | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | (posix..) | 00:48 |
| yacoob | to turn it around yet again, there's nothing worse than desktop app "ported" to tablet without changing the interface... :) | 00:48 |
| yacoob | Stskeeps, but users don't care. As in 'majority of users, that are at the same majority of cash flowing in' | 00:48 |
| yacoob | users will use things that are a/ flashy, b/ easy to grasp, c/ doing 80% of the good job | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | but the fact they make apps from scratch, - we sortof do that too, we adopt with hildon to get power savings | 00:49 |
| yacoob | the % of people that care about posix compability and fact that you can ssh to your device is not important, business-wise | 00:49 |
| yacoob | sadly, but eh. | 00:49 |
| shapr | I care! | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | and android is in a position where there would be a shared platform for many different devices, and new apps would work instantly on any of them - a comparison might be pocketpc/windows mobile, which, amazingly, has a lot of apps and users | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | no matter how crappy the OS | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:52 |
| yacoob | that's very true. Say, have you seen Balmer today, fuming smoke and fire from his nostrils? | 00:52 |
| glass | Stskeeps: yeah.. if it gets popular the vm could be ported to whatever | 00:52 |
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| yacoob | I've bought n810 as a palm replacement - to discover that it's get close, but sometimes not close enough :) I've probably start looking at android-powered something to replace n810 yet again, but that'd probably be end of next year | 00:53 |
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| Stskeeps | and actually, i'd rather see nokia see the possibility for maemo as well in this field, but they might be too late out now | 00:54 |
| yacoob | when we'll have choice, lots of software, and we'll perfectly know limitations | 00:54 |
| yacoob | oh, and when they discover infinite batteries. That might take a bit longer than a year though... :) | 00:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd wait for Maemo 5 and the N900 if you're talking late next year. :P | 00:55 |
| yacoob | That too :) | 00:56 |
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| yacoob | (but there's kind of a chance that I'll be getting Android anyway... from my employer) | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | what i'd really love to see nokia do is, realize maemo is a possibility for a general mobile device (non-phone, maybe voip) platform, research ways to easier port "desktop" apps (and not lay in bad hinderances/upstream incompatibilities), get off their high horse of closed source regarding seamless connectivity, ui items and such and live off the hardware and associated services, - so it's possible to make a maemo system from scratch, without in-maemo ... | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | ... special things like wayfinder/map, media players and other differentiators | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | that you can shop for and get from nokia for your own platform if you so desire, but provided along with tablets for free | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | but this is probably not a good thing in terms of business | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | and cost of R&D | 01:01 |
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| yacoob | arent they doing exactly that for symbian? | 01:01 |
| yacoob | (pushing for universal mobile platform) | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect Nokia has plans. | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, maybe, but symbian is a bit akin to beating yourself with barbwire api wise afaik | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they're probably too far in the future to really make a difference. | 01:02 |
| shapr | I did some Symbian dev when the Nokia 9210 was new, it sucked bad. | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: they could really make a game changer with wimax/3g, agreed | 01:03 |
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| shapr | Stskeeps: Yes, for once I agree with you. Autoflagellation with barbed wire describes Symbian development. | 01:04 |
| yacoob | I have a feeling that maemo is kinf of a pet project at nokia | 01:05 |
| yacoob | and they don't treat it very well | 01:05 |
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| ljp | perhaps a big pet | 01:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They don't. | 01:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It appears to be a bit of a running joke with the rest of the company. | 01:05 |
| ljp | not as big as s40/s60 | 01:05 |
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| yacoob | corpo environment is perfect place for stuff like that happening :( | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: phone companies are a funny bunch.. | 01:06 |
| yacoob | well, gotta go, battery almost empty | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | or heavily engineer controlled ones | 01:06 |
| ljp | how does nokia not treat maemo well? | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently they've had some internal pilot programs to use the tablets as productivity tools | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | which've failed miserably. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ljp, not enough resource allocation for one. | 01:07 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if we skip 3-4 years ahead and pervasive computing has become daily life, nokia would have a ball with tablets and such | 01:07 |
| ljp | i think they have more people in maemo than all of qt software | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | .. but that's a bit of a pipe dream | 01:08 |
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| ljp | coming from the outside, nokia is a beast with a lot of processes and umm.. stuff | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ljp, you work for Qt Software? | 01:09 |
| ljp | yes | 01:09 |
| ljp | working on qt extended | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Agility is something big companies don't have. | 01:09 |
| ljp | i just think mameo and nokia needs to stramline and get better organized | 01:09 |
| lardman|tv | night all | 01:09 |
| ljp | maemo | 01:09 |
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| yacoob | if we skip 3-4 years ahead, I'd love to see fully distributed computing | 01:10 |
| ljp | streamline | 01:10 |
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| yacoob | storage in my backpack/jacket, computing power anywhere I go | 01:10 |
| yacoob | that's so not going to happen, but hey, gotta have some dreams, right? | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | yacoob: cyber foraging would certainly be a nice things | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | -s | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | people at my uni research using nokia tablets in that | 01:10 |
| yacoob | any links you can give to read about it? | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | yacoob: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rajesh/papers/sigops02.pdf | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 01:12 |
| yacoob | thank you | 01:12 |
| yacoob | but it's just not going to happen in 3 years, or at least not at the scale I'd like to see it | 01:13 |
| yacoob | we don't even have technologies for that | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's really getting tehre | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a major battery breakthrough between now and then. | 01:13 |
| yacoob | hopefully, I'm wishing it the best of luck :) | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | a "cheap" tablet is a good step on the way | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Batteries are the achilles heel of mobile tech right now. | 01:14 |
| woglinde | GeneralAntilles right | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | nokia got it right regarding some of the things to save power though | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think 10 days idle is amazing, honestly | 01:14 |
| woglinde | hm but the fuel battery should be ready in one year | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or 30, if you're insane like fanoush. :D | 01:15 |
| woglinde | then this is solved too | 01:15 |
| yacoob | If you haven't read Accelerando by Charles Stross, you might like it. It has gadgets like that ;) http://www.accelerando.org/_static/accelerando.html | 01:15 |
| Fatal | what was that 24h laptop HP had in store? | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think s2ram might have a renaissance when OHM comes in the picture | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how fast is it? | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hm? | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | s2ram and wake? | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | quite fast, on n800 | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | like 2-3 secs | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | maybe less | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming that you don't have any evil processes, does it actually provide a real benefit? | 01:16 |
| yacoob | night, people | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: s2ram? very deep sleep certainly helps on battery | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I mean, with OMAP3, the CPU is turned off at idle anyway. | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but in s2ram system doesn't wake up until user wants it or an alarm is set, so | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | which has advantages | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Kinda feels like a workaround to badly behaving processes. | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | well a select(), timeout 60 seconds.. is that a badly behaving process? | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | even that timeout will make a difference in battery time | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, fair enough. | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | but i dunno :P | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | not an engineer,s o | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Integrating it with s2ram might be nice. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | er | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/s2ram/soft poweroff. | 01:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Can't do shit w/out code (s2ram is closed too) :/ | 01:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: the .sh works | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, really? never tried it | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i used it in ireland | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok, i'll grab it now | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just the watchdogs being evil, right? | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i kinda wonder cos it did manage to stay asleep for several hours at once, without system waking up as far as i could see | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | for kicking watchdog | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | File an enhancement request about it? | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | i think the primary s2ram problem was dsp related, so dsptasks should finish running before s2ram or something | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Outline what you can of the issue and file a bug. | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | and stuff like OHM would help this | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unlikely to be fixed for Diablo, but maybe Fremantle. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing's going to change, anyway, if they're not aware of the problem. ;) | 01:28 |
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| Stskeeps | well it's not so much a maemo bug honestly | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's an architecture "feature" | 01:29 |
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| Stskeeps | and when they get upstart+ohm, it will be a matter of signaling to dsp tasks to shut down for suspend to ram | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Outline the requirements for having s2ram work in Fremantle. | 01:29 |
| woglinde | nite | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just do whatever you need to do to make Eero aware. :P | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | "GeneralAntills told me to write this at gun point"? | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exactly. | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | added to my todo :P | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure you CC David and Eero. | 01:32 |
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| Stskeeps | will you pester them about DSME then? :P i really wonder about nokia is fooling around with these days regarding upstart and ohm though.. and it's a shame their OS work isn't public like HAF | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim said it's waiting on David to find the time to finish up. | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | By finishing up, taking stuff out ... | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's been some stuff removed. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | (which Quim doesn't seem to think is a bad thing) | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right, i should add "document CAL" to my todo | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | think i have all the stuff to read/write now | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DSME brightness bullshit: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1261 | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now that's gone and made me pissy about Nokia not participating in Bugzilla. | 01:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs again. | 01:38 | |
| * Stskeeps goes write libaltcal or something | 01:38 | |
| * lcuk ponders | 01:39 | |
| * GeneralAntilles now has room for two more monitors. | 01:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad I'm out of graphics cards. | 01:39 |
| lcuk | heh what did u toss | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rearranged things a bit and moved one (with the Mac mini) to the bedroom. | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does any other nokia phones do CAL btw? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | for a minute there i read that a s bathroom | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nah | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if I owned my own home it so totally would be. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Home theater in the tub | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i dont doubt it | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | is liqbase in extras yet? i cant refresh list on either machine | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Appears so: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/l/liqbase/ | 01:42 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yes, it has appeared in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | :) again thx qwerty12_N800 | 01:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, just upgraded :) | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | someone should prod maemo ftp guy to upload to extras | 01:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, wut is http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5854/liq20081021234506unameafh0.png btw? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | heh :D | 01:49 |
| lcuk | an unfinished experiment | 01:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232068&postcount=122 | 01:51 |
| lcuk | and i was meant to replace it last night with something (part of the easter egg) but ran out of time and i had a line drawn :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | it can wait | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i see, thanks | 01:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 01:52 |
| lcuk | o/ | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | damn these ascii men | 01:52 |
| lcuk | doin that in msn messenger got me an old man waving his cane | 01:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wow, didn't know msn could predict futures | 01:53 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, is the flash working on the camera btw | 01:53 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yeah :) | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 01:54 |
| lcuk | is liqbase multimedia | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ? | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh | 01:55 |
| lcuk | category for maemo.org listing | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | how do i make a .install file, or dont i | 01:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you should set brightness to full before doing the flash :D but would take a lot of time | 01:56 |
| zakkm | You guys think the price of the N800 will lower considerably some time soon? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 01:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the maemo catalogue can do it for you iurc | 01:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | *iirc | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seeing how there's now a fixed supply. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | yeah thought so | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what section is the package in? | 01:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if not, edit another page and steal theirs and just change the package name | 01:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Section: user/other | 01:57 |
| lcuk | user/other | 01:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (dpkg -s ftw) | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | i still had the page up you linked to before | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still no build numbers in the version string. :P | 01:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unrelated, why does nobody ever use the updating field when packaging? | 01:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, btw, you dont display text boxes during install right (eg northerners speak funny...)? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | no.. | 01:59 |
| lcuk | svn rm ... | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | though the .qwerty ones are there | 02:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | remove the maemo-installer-utils dependecy then | 02:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | To packagers: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html | 02:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Actually, the "Package maintainer harassment" wiki page sounds like a better and better idea. | 02:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Oops, i've been formatting my Maemo-Icon-26 wrong | 02:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maybe emails is the wrong approach | 02:07 |
| ljp | yes! send a fax! | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, I'm thinking a general outline of some Maemo packaging quirks is better than a bunch of emails to sent to packagers who aren't using them correctly. | 02:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | night | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shitty first draft: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Sections | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to jump in. | 02:34 |
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| fie3 | So how about this one? http://www.semsons.com/ibhiseaublgp.html | 02:37 |
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| Macer_ | hi | 02:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fie3, why not get the one I linked? | 02:39 |
| `Mace | what a let down.. vmware esx only supports like 3 types of nics | 02:39 |
| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, That one is high-sensitivity.... so I can use it inside.... hopefully. | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 works just fine inside. | 02:39 |
| `Mace | intel ... braodcomm and some other one.. forget which one | 02:39 |
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| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, oh really? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a great unit. | 02:40 |
| fie3 | There's like 8 different 737s | 02:40 |
| fie3 | greater time for acquisition? | 02:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There are older ones and newer ones | 02:40 |
| fie3 | if you're inside? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one on amazon is newer | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | a little | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It holds a lock fine once it's got it, though. | 02:41 |
| fie3 | I"m just looking at my options... the prices aren't too much different. | 02:41 |
| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, it's actually from the same store.. | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5Hz might not be a bad purchase. | 02:42 |
| fie3 | 5Hz? What does that relate to? | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can report 5 times a second | 02:42 |
| fie3 | Oooo | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | as opposed to just 1Hz with normal units. | 02:42 |
| fie3 | Higher refresh rate... that's cool. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not any more accurate or faster, per se | 02:43 |
| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, Have you seen the iphone gps? | 02:43 |
| fie3 | It's shit. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it'll give you smoother tracks. | 02:43 |
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| fie3 | It's like maybe one refresh every 2 or 3 seconds. | 02:43 |
| Mousey | HOLY CRAPOLA, my n810 was REPAIRED AND IS COMING HOME!! | 02:43 |
| * Mousey scurries around, busily setting up homecoming party! | 02:44 | |
| Mousey | sorry to interrupt.. i just can't think of another channel that would even remotely care | 02:44 |
| fie3 | Mousey, what was the issue? | 02:45 |
| Mousey | fie3: dead screen | 02:45 |
| fie3 | Mousey, ouch | 02:45 |
| Mousey | yah, second time | 02:45 |
| fie3 | cause? | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Display cable | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems to be an issue with N810s. . . . | 02:45 |
| Mousey | nah, it was weird, it had weird lines and colors | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, could still be the cable. | 02:45 |
| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, WOW http://www.semsons.com/i737blgps5hz.html 2.5m | 02:45 |
| `Mace | i thought the battery was the cause of such things? | 02:45 |
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| Mousey | now i can think about getting that 32GB MicroSD card i've always wanted | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | `Mace, what does the battery have to do with the LCD? | 02:46 |
| Mousey | well the stylus is the key | 02:46 |
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| lopz | hi | 02:47 |
| Mousey | because it's between the battery and the lcd, warding off evil spirits | 02:47 |
| fie3 | o-O | 02:47 |
| fie3 | lol | 02:47 |
| fie3 | Anyone else have the power button issue? | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Power button issue? | 02:49 |
| Mousey | nope, just you | 02:49 |
| ljp | power button issue is when your 1 year old keeps pushing hte power button? | 02:50 |
| Mousey | oh, i thought power button issues were soemthing you got a power button shrink for | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | These days they just give you a pill for it. | 02:51 |
| `Mace | GeneralAntilles: could have sworn there was a known issue with the battery causing the lcd to do that | 02:51 |
| `Mace | i have the same problem on my n800 | 02:51 |
| Mousey | my lcd was seriously b0rk'd | 02:51 |
| `Mace | lines going across the screen | 02:51 |
| `Mace | colorful lines | 02:51 |
| Mousey | well these lines wen down the screen, and only in one corner | 02:51 |
| Mousey | wen=went | 02:51 |
| `Mace | have to yank the battery for a bit and put it back in to get it going again | 02:52 |
| Mousey | i'm gonna be sad if my tablet breaks again, its almost outta warranty! ;_; | 02:52 |
| Mousey | i can't wait to get it back and mess with the randr stuff and this liqbase thing that keeps getting hyped. | 02:53 |
| Mousey | =) | 02:53 |
| Mousey | now if i could just print! | 02:53 |
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| fie3 | GeneralAntilles, When I first got my n810 the power button wouldn't work. | 02:56 |
| fie3 | I'd sit there and press it for about 10 minutes then it would finally work. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, the NOLO issue, maybe? | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That didn't affect many N810s. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was primarily an N800 issue | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's long be fixed, anyway. | 02:56 |
| fie3 | I had the problem initially... the first thing I did after I got it turned on was upgrade the software. | 02:57 |
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| fie3 | and still had the problem. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the NOLO issue then. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never heard of it. | 02:57 |
| lcuk | :D my easter egg was discovered | 02:58 |
| fie3 | Apparently the battery had died on it anyway, finally after plugging the power in about 80 times it started charging up then finally when I got it turned on it was corrupted or something.... it would boot and then end up going to a white screen that I remember would like change if you pressed the screen or something like that. I dunno. | 02:59 |
| fie3 | But I reinstalled the OS again and it finally started working properly. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Odd | 03:00 |
| fie3 | That's what I said! | 03:02 |
| fie3 | actually it was more like ARRRGGGG>:( | 03:02 |
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| lcuk | WOW! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=235516&postcount=37 | 03:30 |
| lcuk | its started, shit | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else not get a .desktop when installing fuelpad? | 04:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is there a way to figure out who actually uploaded a package? | 04:32 |
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| lcuk | [2008-10-21 23:45:08] Processing package liqbase 0.1.5. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder1 | 04:34 |
| lcuk | yes GeneralAntilles | 04:34 |
| lcuk | look on the summary log for the package | 04:34 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/liqbase_0.1.5/summary.log | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Clearly ntp-doc was not uploaded by an Ubuntu mailing list. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where the hell is the package? :\ | 04:39 |
| * mgedmin crashes liqbase | 04:42 | |
| mgedmin | twice now | 04:42 |
| lcuk | :O how | 04:42 |
| mgedmin | I tried to draw the lowercase a | 04:43 |
| mgedmin | and it stopped responding to my input | 04:43 |
| mgedmin | the second time, I tried to select a book | 04:43 |
| mgedmin | and it crashed | 04:43 |
| lcuk | that doesnt sound healthy, could you mail me the log from ~/.liqbase/liqbase.run.log please (unless you restarted liqbase since) | 04:44 |
| mgedmin | restarted | 04:45 |
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| lcuk | dang, if it happens again (i really hope not) could you send it me then please | 04:46 |
| mgedmin | hey, where's less? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | as in the shell cmd? | 04:47 |
| mgedmin | yup | 04:47 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 04:47 |
| mgedmin | not in extras, not in extras-devel | 04:47 |
| lcuk | you should know by now im not a shell guru :P | 04:47 |
| * mgedmin is surprised | 04:47 | |
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| mgedmin | ok, found it in | 04:50 |
| mgedmin | ok, found it in http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 04:50 |
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| mgedmin | stupid x copy/paste | 04:51 |
| disco_stu | hi | 04:51 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, copy and paste is a nightmare | 04:51 |
| disco_stu | need help | 04:51 |
| lcuk | hey there disco_stu, what can we do for you | 04:51 |
| * lcuk feels cheesy now | 04:51 | |
| disco_stu | lcuk: i'm running os2008 chinook in my n800 | 04:51 |
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| disco_stu | and i want rotate support for the screen | 04:52 |
| disco_stu | so i went trough this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_To:_Enable_screen_rotation_on_OS2008_/_N800 | 04:52 |
| disco_stu | but one download is no longer working | 04:52 |
| disco_stu | so i cant install al the things i need | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | outpo.st/rotate | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install Diablo first, though. | 04:53 |
| solca | Hi! does somebody knows why there are some missing debs in the diablo repository? | 04:53 |
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| solca | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 04:53 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: wow is an honour read you, i see you on itt | 04:53 |
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| disco_stu | the things is i dont want to install diablo | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not? | 04:53 |
| lcuk | Chinook | 04:53 |
| lcuk | I do not support Chinook anymore. If you still really use it, contact me for further instructions. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | solca, bizarre | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i'm a bit busy right now | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | besides i've not read a lot, but i saw some people were having issues with diablo on n800 | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine here. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Browser's a lot faster | 04:55 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, diablo is fine, but i understand if you dont want to upgrade, but at this time without contacting the site owner you cannot continue with rotation | 04:55 |
| solca | GeneralAntilles: do you know if there is some kind of build logs | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't mess with rotation until you have time to install Diablo, though. | 04:55 |
| solca | maybe it fails to build | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | solca, fwiw, though, e2fsprogs is in Extras. | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | ok.. i'll take your advice | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | solca, that's the SDK repository, those don't go through the builder. | 04:56 |
| disco_stu | btw.. have you tried maemoWoL ? | 04:56 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, sorry about that and all, but i can understand why it all changed | 04:56 |
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| solca | ok, fwiw yesterday I check extrasn and e2fsprogs wasn't there | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 04:57 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, i dunno, have you tried liqbase http://liqbase.net http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, Extras-devel. | 04:57 |
| disco_stu | lcuk: no | 04:57 |
| lcuk | cool, can i get my n810 to wake up if it gets a ping? | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | i made maemoWoL, so i was expecting some feedback, but nobody at maemo.org/downloads gives a comment | 04:58 |
| lcuk | or is it more for a server environment where you want to wakeup your mates computer? | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | lcuk: yo use your IT to turn on other computers in the network | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | yes | 04:58 |
| solca | GeneralAntilles: thanks! there it is | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, put it in Extras! :D | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll get much more notice, then. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 04:59 |
| infobot | hmm... uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 04:59 |
| disco_stu | ok | 04:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't sleep any of his machines. | 04:59 | |
| disco_stu | haha | 04:59 |
| disco_stu | i do.. :) | 04:59 |
| mgedmin | wake on lan is nice | 05:00 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: did you try maemoWoL ? | 05:00 |
| mgedmin | no | 05:00 |
| GAN800 | Well, one machine is a DVR, so it'd just wake itself up whenever the next schedule was set anyway, and the other's a server. Soooo. ;) | 05:01 |
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| GAN800 | How do other people feel about user/navigation? | 05:02 |
| GAN800 | Nokia seems to think it should be a valid section | 05:02 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: how much faster is the browser ? | 05:02 |
| GAN800 | I'm not totally in disagreement. | 05:02 |
| disco_stu | i've tweaked mine.. | 05:02 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, quite a bit faster than the version in Chinook. | 05:02 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: flash is better too ? | 05:03 |
| GAN800 | Application manager is also a lot faster and nicer. | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | i'll have to give it a try | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | i'll have an spare battery soon | 05:04 |
| GAN800 | Flash benefits from the overall browser improvements, but I don't think the plugin was updated all that much. | 05:04 |
| disco_stu | :) | 05:04 |
| mgedmin | maemoWoL: nice, but if I'm in the same WLAN as the machines, I can usually just walk over and turn them on | 05:05 |
| * mgedmin uses wake on lan to ssh into his home router and wake his desktop on demand | 05:05 | |
| GAN800 | Less CPU going to js is more for Flash, etc. ;) | 05:05 |
| mgedmin | anyone played with the most recent fennec alpha? | 05:05 |
| mgedmin | is it really as sluggish as it appeared in that video? | 05:05 |
| solca | mgedmin: yeah, useless for me now | 05:07 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: maemoWoL: nice, but if I'm in the same WLAN as the machines, I can usually just walk over and turn them on <-- sometimes i dont like to get out from bed just to vnc my moms desk | 05:07 |
| mgedmin | very true | 05:07 |
| disco_stu | and i was angry that the iphone had a wol app and my n800 didnt | 05:08 |
| mgedmin | wow | 05:09 |
| mgedmin | your anger is productive | 05:09 |
| mgedmin | have you tried being angry that your n800 didn't have hardware 3d accel? | 05:09 |
| cars__ | mgedmin: I'd like to do WoL (vnc/rdesktop) as well | 05:09 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: i know my limitations.. | 05:09 |
| disco_stu | hahaha | 05:09 |
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| disco_stu | cars__: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemowol/ | 05:10 |
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| disco_stu | i would like to scale down vnc sessions to fit the lcd | 05:10 |
| disco_stu | this maybe the next thing to work on | 05:11 |
| disco_stu | my english is so rust !! sorry for that | 05:11 |
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| disco_stu | i made a little app to work with cidr blocks and masks | 05:13 |
| disco_stu | maybe is useful to anyone | 05:13 |
| disco_stu | chinook was such a nice name, and they had to blew it with 'diablo' | 05:14 |
| disco_stu | i sounds bad | 05:14 |
| disco_stu | i/it/t | 05:14 |
| mgedmin | as a network engineer's tool, a nit has almost everything, except for wired ethernet... | 05:14 |
| cars___ | I'll add WoL to the list of things (ssh, vnc, etc.) that I need to learn how to use and install for this to be really fun. | 05:15 |
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| disco_stu | cars__: you can add openvpn, pptp and hamachi | 05:16 |
| disco_stu | :) | 05:16 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: what tools do you use for cidr tasks ? | 05:16 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: speaking about the IT | 05:16 |
| cars__ | Hamachi works on the NIT? | 05:16 |
| disco_stu | cars__: yes | 05:16 |
| mgedmin | disco_stu: ssh ;-) | 05:17 |
| * mgedmin is not a real network engineer | 05:17 | |
| disco_stu | hahaha ! | 05:17 |
| mgedmin | and my networks usually are /24 | 05:17 |
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| cars__ | By the way, is there a consistent way of making the finger on-screen keyboard to display on my n810? | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Center dpad | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the N810 | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sux | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | so, no. | 05:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just gotta get the feel for the thumb touch down. | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: why the n810 sux ? | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Terrible dpad location. | 05:19 |
| cars__ | I've had it display a couple times, but never with any consistency. | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: oh | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | you have to slide to acces the key | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means you can't use it to activate the finger keyboard. | 05:20 |
| disco_stu | i see | 05:20 |
| cars__ | But it's happened before with the keyboard closed, so there has to be another way of doing it. | 05:20 |
| mgedmin | thumb press on an input field is supposed to show the thumb kb | 05:20 |
| disco_stu | mgedmin: that never worked to me in my n800 | 05:21 |
| disco_stu | never ever.. | 05:21 |
| mgedmin | but really I found that I needed more force than I was comfortable using to get that to reliably work | 05:21 |
| mgedmin | so I don't use the thumb kb | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, Diablo fixes that. | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: :) | 05:23 |
| cars__ | Couldn't there be a way to fool the OS to think that the keyboard is closed when it's open and then pressing the center dpad? | 05:23 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is suspend available.. or you manage the same way that in Chinook | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Suspend? | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean like s2ram or suspend to disk? | 05:24 |
| mgedmin | isn't there a gconf key that some daemon toggles whenever you slide|unslide? | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | mce or dsme | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: some kind of mechanism to suspend the NIT | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's locking or soft poweroff. | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They both lock input, don't really suspend things, though. | 05:25 |
| disco_stu | i wanted rotation :'( | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | anyone want to buy an n810? | 05:26 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: where can i get themes for the NIT | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | downloads.maemo.org | 05:27 |
| cars__ | Or could I remap the center-dpad key to something else? If so, could that setting be toggled upon keyboard slideout? | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there are some scattered about itT. | 05:27 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i've found two or three | 05:27 |
| disco_stu | there arent any more ? | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | There aren't that many, really. | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plankton and LCARS are the two biggest departures. | 05:28 |
| disco_stu | nuvoclear2 is the one i use | 05:28 |
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| cars__ | Has there been any success with remapping keys like this? | 05:30 |
| disco_stu | cars__: i've not tested.. but i shouldnt be a problem | 05:31 |
| disco_stu | we are running Linux :) | 05:31 |
| cars__ | disco_stu: Any suggestions on where I can start? | 05:33 |
| johnx | xmodmap | 05:34 |
| disco_stu | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/ | 05:35 |
| disco_stu | you can read this | 05:35 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is done harassing package maintainers for the night. | 05:36 | |
| * GeneralAntilles still needs to bug INdT about Maemo-Display-Name. | 05:37 | |
| johnx | disco_stu, that's pretty old. does it still apply? | 05:37 |
| disco_stu | i think yes.. | 05:37 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: in wich country do you live ? | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida, USA | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | nice place | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finally cooling down enough to turn off the AC | 05:41 |
| summatusmentis | I sometimes wish Florida were a country, then we wouldn't have to worry about hanging chads | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: here summer is beginning | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | :) | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Florida gets a bad rap from a few idiots. | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The state is, by and large, a nice place with nice people. | 05:42 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: all the old ones? | 05:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles is too bored for trolling. | 05:43 | |
| summatusmentis | no, I enjoyed FL while I was there, but I got tired of the excessive amount of tourism stuff on the beaches | 05:44 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i daily see in the news that USA has a lot of economics trouble | 05:44 |
| disco_stu | or is a lie ? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, you wouldn't know it on the street. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The financial market aint doin' so hot. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not just the US. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The UK bailed out their own banking system to the tune of £400 billion. | 05:45 |
| SmackPotat | i want a bail out | 05:46 |
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| disco_stu | nobody here from argentina ? | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot from Brazil | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | pythones | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | pythoners.. | 05:49 |
| cars__ | disco_stu, johnx: I'm checking out that keyboard documentation, but the xmodmap download I see is for OS2007. | 05:50 |
| johnx | command line programs from os2007 should probably work on os2008 | 05:50 |
| cars__ | GeneralAntilles: Don't forget Iceland. They're bankrupt. | 05:50 |
| cars__ | johnx: OK, I'll give it a shot. | 05:50 |
| disco_stu | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-cache search xmodmap | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | xmodmap - X input map modification | 05:51 |
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| disco_stu | #apt-get install xmodmap | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | should do the trick :P | 05:51 |
| cars__ | hehe, I forgot to try the obvious. | 05:52 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what ideas colud you give.. for a new app for maemo | 05:52 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: something we're a missing.. | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | i dont know | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman & co could use some GUI help with maemo-barcode | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | i'll sneak at palm software donwloads and steal some ideaz | 06:02 |
| disco_stu | .. :D | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Audio compression on HD commercials is obscene. | 06:03 |
| disco_stu | ? | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Commercials are way too loud. | 06:04 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i'm cracking my neighbourhood with Supertramp | 06:04 |
| disco_stu | sure they are pissed | 06:04 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do know about Java in maemo ? | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not anywhere useful yet. | 06:06 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what is the best thing to do with a NIT | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | maybe i dont know.. :S | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC on the can? | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | translate.. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You probably don't want to know. :P | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | i didnt get it | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | hit me | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | go ahead | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Slang term for "bathroom". | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | haha | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | www.notiblog.com <-- good argentinian meat :D | 06:09 |
| disco_stu | for export | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe relevant: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts | 06:09 |
| disco_stu | you just called my newbie | 06:10 |
| disco_stu | haha | 06:10 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i mostly do the same things | 06:19 |
| disco_stu | but here i cant show it too much, because there a lot of burglars | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 06:21 |
| disco_stu | the street is a jungle | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need to fill one of the SD slots with C4. :P | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | A tablet for your hands | 06:22 |
| disco_stu | i mostly use it on campus where wifi is very good | 06:22 |
| disco_stu | its a shame how n800 screen is barely legible under sun light | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a screen protector? | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | yes | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be why it's "barely legible" and not "completely illegible" then? :P | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | haha | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | its an average quality one | 06:25 |
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| disco_stu | n810 is much better under sunlight i heard | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, transflective. | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | :( | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: file manager is a pain | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding | 06:28 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: any tip on that ? | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use sftp, usually. | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | emelfm2 is OK, too. | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | yes emelfm2 has been my option since i discovered it | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | still needs speed | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | is the worst in maemo | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | file manager | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | s | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use a GUI sftp client from a real computer to do file management. | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | FUSE with sshfs might also work. | 06:32 |
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| disco_stu | with a pc is easy.. the problem is when you are alone with the IT | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I try to avoid flie management then. ;) | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:34 |
| disco_stu | stupid chinook i want to rotate it | 06:34 |
| disco_stu | but the fucking file is off the internet | 06:34 |
| disco_stu | i'll be flashing soon.. | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be worth it. ;) | 06:35 |
| disco_stu | what you use, n800 or n810 ? | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 and N800 | 06:36 |
| disco_stu | 770 i saw one once | 06:37 |
| disco_stu | i love the hardcover | 06:37 |
| disco_stu | the stupid sock of the n800 is shit | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I prefer the kickstand | 06:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're durable devices | 06:37 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i needs more angle | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | as long as you don't keep metal shaving in your pockets | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810's kickstand goes back more. | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | kickstand needs more angle for my taste | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | thats good | 06:38 |
| cars__ | Has anyone else found their n810 kickstand to become loose? | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800's kickstand is a bit loose. | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | you could fix it | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | white the proper torx | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | i guess.. | 06:39 |
| doc|home | I'm with disco_stu, the angle's no good | 06:39 |
| * doc|home dances | 06:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hard to find torx | 06:39 |
| cars__ | Especially one that small. | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, what I mean to say "that's a hard to find torx size" | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that torx are necessarily hard to find in general (you can get a good set at Radio Shack or Home Depot here) | 06:40 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: 8000km away home | 06:41 |
| disco_stu | :| | 06:42 |
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| cars__ | We don't have a very good hardware store here. I would be lucky to find torx, and any torx I would find would be relatively very large, We do have a Radio Shack, but it's basically a glorified AT&T/Sprint/Dish Network outlet. Besides, they have a 300% markup on everything. | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like 600% | 06:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not too terrible for a $2 set of screw drivers, though. ;) | 06:44 |
| cars__ | Ah, is it that high now? I try to avoid it. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is sad | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be a cool place if the prices weren't so horrifyingly outrageous | 06:45 |
| cars__ | They used to be a pretty good store. | 06:45 |
| cars__ | But that was at least 15 years ago. | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could really go for a retail version of newegg. | 06:46 |
| cars__ | I agree. The only thing around here that was mildly close was CompUSA, and they're bankrupt now. | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Best Buy is just so horrifyingly awful. | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I went in there to buy a game and the cashier basically called me an idiot because I didn't sign up for their rewards program or buy a warranty. | 06:48 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: did you beat that guy ? | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woman | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I came close | 06:50 |
| cars__ | it is. And Circuit City is even worse. It's very dark and gloomy there, and when I asked a clerk a question, he lied and made something up rather than saying he didn't know. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | but figured it probably wasn't worth making a scene over. | 06:50 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: you could grab a boob a least | 06:50 |
| disco_stu | haha | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually prefer Circuit City | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The clerks don't harass you and there isn't insanely loud music blasting all the time. | 06:50 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: how old are you ? | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 21 | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | you sound like my dad | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | you re younger than i | 06:51 |
| disco_stu | :( | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | When are the new servers coming? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is getting a touch ridiculous. | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what servers ? | 06:54 |
| disco_stu | CSS ? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki isn't working | 06:55 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you use claws for email ? | 06:56 |
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| * disco_stu storms GeneralAntilles with stupid questions.. | 06:57 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, Claws sucks for finger use | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest. | 06:57 |
| disco_stu | osso-email then ? | 06:58 |
| disco_stu | ah modest | 06:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Another Diablo improvement. | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | you sound like you've sold your soul | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The codenames are winds | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | well i'm gonna with the bed | 07:02 |
| disco_stu | i'll be here tomorrow, nice chat :) | 07:03 |
| disco_stu | see you | 07:03 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hates Comcast so much. | 07:25 | |
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| * Proteous does tooooo | 07:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it too much to ask for an internet connection that actually works? | 07:27 |
| Proteous | seems so | 07:27 |
| Proteous | well, from comcast anyway | 07:27 |
| Proteous | DSL extreme FTW | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have Brighthouse back home | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | 15/2 | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | works great all the time | 07:27 |
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| fie2 | GeneralAntilles, Kay well I'm going with the one you said | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wont regret it! | 07:52 |
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| lopz | night | 08:13 |
| fie2 | GeneralAntilles, once you get a fix you can just drop it in your pocket right? | 08:16 |
| fie2 | If you're walking... | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just leave it in your pocket | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll get a fix through denim | 08:16 |
| fie2 | Wish the n810 could charge through USB | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an adaptor | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB doesn't really provide enough juice. | 08:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia didn't have any other USB-charging devices when the N810 was developed, anyway. | 08:19 |
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| fie2 | hmm | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it doesn't make sense for Nokia to use a charger on only one device | 08:25 |
| fie2 | Sure it does. | 08:27 |
| fie2 | then they could start using it on other things. | 08:27 |
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| fie2 | err..... if you meant charging through usb | 08:28 |
| fie2 | anyway | 08:28 |
| fie2 | it's time for bed. | 08:28 |
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| usicow | I've got an N810, what are my options for getting internet access via bluetooth when the machine that has the internet connection is running XP? | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | PAN | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~bluetooth-pan | 10:03 |
| infobot | bluetooth-pan is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 10:03 |
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| AStorm | hello | 10:04 |
| AStorm | I've a question about grabbing ppp configuration from maemo | 10:04 |
| usicow | thanks GeneralAntilles | 10:04 |
| AStorm | see, I'm trying to copy the BT DUN settings to my laptop - bluez is now set up and paired correctly | 10:05 |
| AStorm | but I'm missing ppp settings :) | 10:05 |
| AStorm | esp. chat string | 10:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | usicow, the tablet-side of things should be fairly straightforward. Not sure about XP. | 10:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, have you tried hitting it with a stick? | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: if you mean about getting settings for an already added connection, look in gconf | 10:06 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: hmmm | 10:06 |
| AStorm | but there won't be all there, right? | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you've got another mention coming up on planet. :P | 10:06 |
| AStorm | I can grab the user name, password and number all right | 10:06 |
| AStorm | the chat string is what I'm missing | 10:06 |
| AStorm | and I suspect that won't be in gconf | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: probably not. there's a package which has the list of operators. I'd dig it up for you but I really have to *go* | 10:07 |
| AStorm | I'll try the default Hayes, might work | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: lol, why? | 10:07 |
| AStorm | :) | 10:07 |
| AStorm | I suspect chat string is more related to the device than ISP | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, nothing exciting, but you'll see. | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | Bye | 10:07 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 10:07 |
| AStorm | so I'll have to guess through phone's AT command set. Ouch. | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tablets make it too easy to set up DUN. | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There should be more suffering. | 10:08 |
| AStorm | harhar | 10:09 |
| AStorm | I just want the chat string for ppp they're using | 10:09 |
| AStorm | it's not stored in some config file... apparently | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hit it with a stick" is the beginning and end of my suggestions. | 10:09 |
| AStorm | hit *what*? ;P | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit up -developers? | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both things? | 10:09 |
| AStorm | hahaha, that won't work | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | First one, then the other? | 10:09 |
| AStorm | really, that will only destroy both | 10:10 |
| AStorm | and then I'll have no internet connection at all | 10:10 |
| AStorm | = fail | 10:10 |
| AStorm | ;P | 10:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you don't have to hit them HARD | 10:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | just enough to let 'em know who's boss. | 10:10 |
| AStorm | that wasn't funny enough for some reason | 10:10 |
| AStorm | while maemo-developers will take ages | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patrik Flykt is probably the guy you're after. | 10:11 |
| AStorm | I have enough problems with current connection to even *consider* using BT DUN | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's been active on -developers recently, so the turnaround may be a bit faster. | 10:11 |
| AStorm | before I send the question, get reply, the connection will die for another two days | 10:11 |
| AStorm | heh, if only I could get a nice prompt with ppp | 10:12 |
| usicow | In my application manager, I can see Nokia catalogue, Nokia catalogue (3rd party software), Nokia System Software Updates, and maemo Extras. Am I missing another default repository? | 10:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nope, that's all. | 10:17 |
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| AStorm | just enable maemo Extras :) | 10:19 |
| AStorm | hmm, now ppp connects, but I'm still missing the chat script | 10:19 |
| AStorm | I need a tool that will connect to this /dev/rfcomm0 modem and give me a prompt | 10:19 |
| AStorm | so I can try some commands | 10:20 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: ping? | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, pong. | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ed is going to add warnings when somebody uses a wrong section on a package. | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: We might want to get a sane list of sections this week, so we can at least start with that ;) | 10:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles hates figuring out categories. | 10:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds good, anyway. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a Planet post coming up for the sections discussion. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sent another blizzard of emails to maintainers (and some round-two emails to maintainers that didn't reply the last time). | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've also started bugging people about using Maemo-specific fields | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | yeah, I saw your blog post ;) | 10:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 10:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 10:52 |
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| AStorm | hmm, I'm getting PPP Naks after first addr negotiation | 10:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:17 |
| AStorm | hmm, how do I get a log of what is maemo's ppp doing on connect? | 11:17 |
| AStorm | does that go to syslog, or somewhere else? | 11:17 |
| AStorm | also, I don't have any syslog in diablo repos - is that intentional? :P | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ | 11:20 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think this UPS package is going to go all over the State before it makes it here. | 11:23 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:27 |
| GAN800 | Hi, hrw. | 11:28 |
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| woglinde | hi | 11:38 |
| woglinde | hm so now let me see how upload assistant work | 11:40 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:41 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: Please let me know if you run into problems :) | 11:43 |
| woglinde | sure first I use my brain and read the doku | 11:43 |
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| woglinde | ah frist request invitation | 11:45 |
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| woglinde | args | 12:06 |
| woglinde | hm cant upload yet | 12:06 |
| woglinde | first libxmuu1 needs to be in extra devels | 12:07 |
| woglinde | args why are the garage accounts not map to the bugtracker | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Invitation is in the mail ;) | 12:12 |
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| AStorm | hah, I forgot to select APN | 12:27 |
| AStorm | also, stupid phone accepts only one DUN connection at a time | 12:27 |
| AStorm | and for some reason gets a funny remote address | 12:28 |
| AStorm | I'll have to steal the one n810 gets | 12:28 |
| AStorm | hmm, the funny remote number is irrelevant ;P | 12:29 |
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| AStorm | as it doesn't need a default route to work | 12:29 |
| AStorm | I mean, no gateway | 12:29 |
| AStorm | weird setup they have at Orange... I'd snipe the admin for disabling all forms of compression | 12:30 |
| AStorm | of course, that could be a ploy to get more money out of people | 12:31 |
| AStorm | or reduce "load" on the servers | 12:31 |
| woglinde | ~lart the pgpkey interface on garage | 12:31 |
| * infobot calls the pgpkey interface on garage on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home | 12:31 | |
| AStorm | ~lart stupid Orange ppp | 12:31 |
| * infobot stamps stupid Orange ppp on the forehead with the official Troll marker | 12:31 | |
| X-Fade | woglinde: pgpkey isn't mandatory anymore, so you can do without. | 12:31 |
| woglinde | x-fade yes | 12:32 |
| AStorm | wow, the phone has a single-connection bluetooth chip | 12:32 |
| AStorm | what a failure | 12:32 |
| AStorm | I know, embedded is embedded, but this is horrible :> | 12:32 |
| woglinde | x-fade saw this but I think sginging is a good idea if I can | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Yep. | 12:32 |
| woglinde | xfade hm is it okay if there are linebreaks if I submit it via the webinterface? | 12:33 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:33 |
| woglinde | hi lardman | 12:34 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: I think they will get stripped out. But if you can please remove them to be sure.. | 12:35 |
| woglinde | x-fade hm this a pain with web interface | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Just copy/paste? | 12:36 |
| woglinde | yes and then it is borken | 12:37 |
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| woglinde | hm okay | 12:39 |
| woglinde | found a way | 12:39 |
| woglinde | args | 12:44 |
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| woglinde | why the hell the maemo formular does not check about dsa and rsa keys | 12:44 |
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| woglinde | I choosed as usal dsa variant | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: The source code is in svn ;) | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Shall I send you a new invitation. | 12:45 |
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| lardman | Anyone know of a site with GTK+ skeleton code, /me needs a crash course | 12:47 |
| woglinde | xfade yes please | 12:47 |
| woglinde | x-fade it is on the wikipage | 12:47 |
| woglinde | I mean to produce a rsa key | 12:47 |
| woglinde | sorry I didnt read it | 12:47 |
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| melmoth | lardman: c ? python ? | 12:48 |
| lardman | a, forgot about that, C please | 12:48 |
| woglinde | x-fade hm what I have to take care that the packages ends up in extra-devel not extra? | 12:49 |
| melmoth | http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/gui_toolkit_guides/gtk+_gnome_application_development/index.html | 12:49 |
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| melmoth | chapter II should do the trick | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Nothing. It always ends up in extras-devel. | 12:50 |
| woglinde | ah dput.conf | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: You need to promote a package from extras-devel to extras. | 12:50 |
| lardman | melmoth: that focuses on Gnome? | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: There is no way to directly upload to extras. | 12:50 |
| woglinde | x-fade okay fine | 12:50 |
| melmoth | http://zetcode.com/tutorials/gtktutorial/firstprograms/ looks interesting too | 12:51 |
| woglinde | x-fade whats the easiest way to get a library which is only available in sdk to extras-devel? | 12:51 |
| woglinde | I really need libxmuu1 for one program | 12:51 |
| melmoth | lardman: gnome is build with gtk widgets. So most of the stuff will be relevant | 12:51 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: There is a discussion going on about that on -developers. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: At the moment, you need to upload that lib to extras-devel first. | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | Which is pretty annoying, but we still need to a solution for that. | 12:52 |
| lardman | melmoth: The other thing I was wondering, is what one does when one has multiple views. Presumably you connect the signals for all the objects (buttons, lists, etc.) and only display the ones for the view in question? | 12:53 |
| woglinde | x-fade so I just can do it whitout upset someone? | 12:54 |
| melmoth | i never did that, but i guess they should share the same model (gstore list somtheing) and change in the model will be signaled to the veiw automatically | 12:54 |
| lardman | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.14/ch02.html looks quite useful too, especially for one with no experience of what the toolkit offers | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ping | 12:55 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Grab the source package from the sdk and upload it. When the discussion comes to a conclusion, I will clean up the repo ;) | 12:55 |
| melmoth | lardman: what do you need to build ? | 12:55 |
| woglinde | x-fade okay thank you very much | 12:55 |
| lardman | melmoth: I'm going to hack a decent gui + db system together for maemo-barcode | 12:55 |
| lardman | s/decent/sort of working ;) | 12:55 |
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| melmoth | lardman: if you do not have it already install, install "devhelp". | 12:57 |
| lardman | expand on the current upc code saving to allow users to save lists of their existing CDs/DVDs/Books/shopping lists and to lookup against them, etc, | 12:57 |
| * lardman googles devhelp | 12:57 | |
| melmoth | it s the gnome/gtk/glib documentation tool | 12:57 |
| melmoth | all library are documented there. | 12:57 |
| lardman | ah ok | 12:58 |
| melmoth | and consider using something like glade to make your interface | 12:58 |
| lardman | hmm | 12:58 |
| lardman | I've never had much luck with glade | 12:58 |
| lardman | perhaps this time will be better :) | 12:59 |
| melmoth | there is a slight trick when doing it with maemo: you have to reparent conatianer of the main window to a hidlon window. | 12:59 |
| lardman | Glade allows you to graphically layout? | 12:59 |
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| melmoth | yep | 13:00 |
| lardman | melmoth: yeah, I've done hello world and that sort of stuff, I just wanted to know more about how to structure larger applications, with multiple "views" (though not in the classical sense of view of a set of data) | 13:00 |
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| melmoth | with glade, you just create all you window once, and hide them when they are not supposed to be shown | 13:00 |
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| melmoth | i made a really simple gtk thingy with glade (in python though) https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/frontend/?root=phonehome | 13:01 |
| melmoth | the function call and the logic is the same in C. | 13:01 |
| * GAN800 sighs at maemo.org | 13:01 | |
| X-Fade | GAN800: What is the problem? | 13:02 |
| lardman | melmoth: creating multiple windows - doesn't that produce multiple windows on the taskbar? | 13:02 |
| GAN800 | I wonder if throwing Quim's completion estimation back will help | 13:02 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade it's 'make a cup of tea for every page' slow | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I really don't have that? | 13:02 |
| melmoth | it depends on the type of the window, if it s a dialog window, i dont think so. | 13:02 |
| lardman | yes, that's true | 13:03 |
| GAN800 | wiki throws blank pages or errors half the time | 13:03 |
| lardman | I'd prefer to not have the memory overhead of leaving multiple hidden windows, seems wasteful | 13:03 |
| GAN800 | There's problems with installing the SDK | 13:03 |
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| melmoth | you can still create them , and destroy them when not needed. i guess :) | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: maemo.org itself is pretty responsive to me. There are some slow pages, but overall it is a lot better than it was. | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | It's all a bit shitty and slow and it was supposed to be fixed 'well before' the end of the 100 days. | 13:04 |
| _marcell_ | getting rid of squid would help a lot on the wiki & empty page problem | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | Trying to load the trademark page the other day was like watching paint dry | 13:05 |
| GAN800 | Logging in to rate articles is less enjoyable than pulling your own fingernails out | 13:05 |
| GAN800 | Garage svn being unbelievably slow or just timing out | 13:06 |
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| GAN800 | All of this add up to making it really hard for me to coax people into using maemo.org stuff | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I really don't have any problems with garage svn. Honest. | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: And I have been using it a few times this morning? | 13:07 |
| GAN800 | moontiger timed out on it a day or two ago and it was slow as can be last time I did an svn up on liqbase | 13:08 |
| GAN800 | Specific anecdotals aside, it just needs to work. | 13:08 |
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| X-Fade | garage is looking pretty idle at the moment. There should be no slowness. | 13:10 |
| GAN800 | That's fine, but I'm speaking generally. | 13:12 |
| GAN800 | There have been problems in the past week. | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Please ping me if you notice something, so I can check it out. | 13:13 |
| GAN800 | Fair enough. | 13:13 |
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| woglinde | args where was the side were I can download flasher | 13:23 |
| GAN800 | ~flashing | 13:24 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com? | 13:24 |
| GAN800 | d3.php | 13:24 |
| lcuk | GAN800, you had problems with svn? i keep commiting and updating and haven't noticed any problems with that aspect so far. the website and wiki and downloads are slower than an unplugged xz 81 however | 13:24 |
| lcuk | mornin btw :D | 13:25 |
| lcuk | zx ^ | 13:25 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, when I ran the up just before starting on the site. | 13:25 |
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| woglinde | thanks | 13:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, i know when you mean, and probably there are occasions when it is slow (qole and stskeeps uploading massive projects ;)). but that part of the site does not use sql databases where the rest does (which is where email suggests the problem lies) | 13:28 |
| lcuk | we rarely hear about svn problems but ALWAYS hear about "the fudging slow servers" and "ive got a blank page" | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i doubt maemo's slowness is cos of me ;) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | (we have own infrastructure) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | which, scaringly, is faster | 13:29 |
| lcuk | heh Stskeeps you know what i mean :P | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, its easy to make a site faster than maemo.org - i doubthowever we could support as many users as maemo does and would suffer the same fate. perhaps a project to distribute the load out to numerous tablets would be cool ;) | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | when a 770 goes WSOD, it doesn't die. it connects to the maemo.org cluster and surrenders. | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | and becomes part of the cluster | 13:37 |
| Proteous | lol | 13:39 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:40 |
| lcuk | we could enlist these angelic devices to roundup all the devices from silicon heaven | 13:40 |
| lcuk | calculators would once again be useful | 13:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, my post to community has killed the banter | 13:42 |
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| lardman | or perhaps it just pushed the mail server over the edge | 13:43 |
| glass | electric heating computing units | 13:46 |
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| lardman | hmm, short lunch | 15:12 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: That libxmu upload seemed to work at least ;) | 15:35 |
| woglinde | x-fade yes | 15:36 |
| woglinde | x-fade nxssh is the next | 15:36 |
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| woglinde | hm ookay | 15:46 |
| lopz | hi | 15:47 |
| woglinde | hi lopz | 15:50 |
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| `Mace | good morning | 16:00 |
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| zap | you are not allowed to | 16:40 |
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| woglinde | maybee put all together and milk the appelfanboys | 16:48 |
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| ||cw | applefanboys give milk? | 16:53 |
| woglinde | sorry args wrong channel | 16:54 |
| woglinde | yes in this iphone store | 16:54 |
| woglinde | got an idea how to make money | 16:55 |
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| slonopotamus | who is Carsten Munk? | 17:38 |
| slonopotamus | hi, btw | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: -> Stskeeps | 17:38 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you rock | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hi | 17:41 |
| * qwerty12 , for some reason, always reads "Communitizer" as something having to do with Communism | 17:41 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: too much american tv | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | ;) | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | same problem, qwerty | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I study History :) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: so what did you like? (keep in mind many of the tricks used to get things booting are due to a lot of hardworking people before me, johnx, and pkg-maemo, etc) | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Sorry :) | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Hehe, I'm not offended or anything, just always comes into my head for some reason :D | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Well at least it makes you think ;) | 17:43 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, stlc45xx-cal postinst script ;) it's crazy | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, but it's sane.. ish | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: when nokia doesn't allow redistribution, play by their license | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | since it's a needed part of any open source implementation | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I'm sure they will sort that part out too. The whole idea about the gpl driver would be to be able to redistribute. | 17:46 |
| johnx | all of the parts that look more clever than hacky are Stskeeps. All the parts left that involve one-liners with no error checking are mine | 17:46 |
| * qwerty12 would kill for a port of gnome alsa mixer or anything that shows *all* volume controls. I used easy debian and it came with that and I swear the bass boost I got with that was nice | 17:46 | |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 17:46 |
| slonopotamus | you don't REdistribute | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | nop, i help the user to get it in a sane manner | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | for what slonopotamus is talking about, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/stlc45xx-cal/debian/postinst | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: maybe with dsme source release. as evident by the name, it for sure reads cal to get the region you are in (ETSI/US) | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | btw, how is libaltcal going? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i can read stuff but i'm not confident of the structure | 17:48 |
| slonopotamus | maybe asking license is not required? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: your "browser" asks you to agree | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: and i do this cos well, it is a thing that needs to be agreed to | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: as long as we don't fuck up partition layout, we could probably boot to initfs and reflash a backup of mtd1 with static mtd-tools :D | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wonder if it's possible to change from a US version to EU wifi | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: in theory, just change that string. Do you know anyone with a US n800? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i have one | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | ok, wait a sec plz | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: and to avoid the "hack" being invalidated constantly by nokia if we play by their rules | 17:50 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | -if | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: When you run "osso-product-info", what does it say for OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: FCC/US | 17:51 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, change to EU wifi? as in turn on all 13 channels? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for instance | 17:51 |
| macoute | how many do they have in us? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, but CAL is a touchy subject for them.. | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | which is where calibration data is | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i've yet to find the MAC in CAL though | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Yep, ETSI/EU here. Looking at stlc45xx-cal in more depth will tell us if that is right string to change | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: hmm | 17:52 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i don't think any law will be broken if you don't ask. | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: want a copy of my mtd1? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: eh, sure | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: k, dcc or email? do whatever with them (2 dumps (one with rd mode on, one with rd-mode off)), just don't share them! :P | 17:54 |
| lopz | This should not associate with my AP? it does not, but neither shows any error or anything, any ideas? | 17:54 |
| lopz | iwconfig wlan0 essid esi mode managed key off | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: dcc is fine | 17:54 |
| lopz | I associate myself with how my AP? | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lopz: cx3110x doesn't always support all wireless tools extensions | 17:55 |
| lopz | hello Stskeeps ... how is cx3110x ? drivers wireless ? | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | grr, my router's firewall isn't probably forwarded properly. got an email I can send them to (pm me)? | 17:56 |
| * slonopotamus wonders if any distro provides packages via p2p network | 17:56 | |
| slonopotamus | instead of mirror system | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: yes | 17:57 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, and how I would associate my AP? are using the administrator of connections ... do it for console for the error, that does not want to associate: ( | 17:57 |
| lopz | sorry, my english is bad :\ | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: it's not so simple.. if nokias stuff doesn't work it is usually a bigger problem | 17:58 |
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| lopz | Stskeeps, when I do so with "select connection .." said looking ... then comes the name of my AP, essid, is open, I click 2, said connecting ... and the final "error of network connection, retry?" | 17:59 |
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| lopz | Stskeeps, I do not know if this is a problem in my notebook, or my router :\ | 18:00 |
| lopz | iwlist a scan wlan0 me correctly list my wifi network | 18:01 |
| slonopotamus | so you've retried? | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | ;) | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | asked your network administrator? | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | ;) | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | i love such error messages | 18:03 |
| lopz | 18:04 | |
| lopz | 1 .- I tried again and the same error | 18:04 |
| lopz | 2 .- I am a network administrator xDD | 18:04 |
| lopz | 3 .- I do not love the mistakes | 18:04 |
| lopz | slonopotamus, :p | 18:04 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why udev-nokernelcheck? | 18:10 |
| disco_stu | hi there | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: 770 has old kernel so udev complains | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: but it works anyway on 770 for all i can see | 18:10 |
| lopz | any ideas my problem ? :s | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | walks around and moans 'mister user, buy me newer device'? :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: disables a check in udev init scripts that will cause udev to start ;) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus: while you can laugh at people with 770's ; us with n8x0 probably wont be better off soon :P | 18:13 |
| slonopotamus | i know, man | 18:13 |
| slonopotamus | and that's sad | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | what qwerty12 said | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: how's the porting going? | 18:16 |
| slonopotamus | the problem is that next device will likelt cost like asus eee :) and that will be a hard choice | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | don't run | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:17 |
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| X-Fade | https://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/architect-_lead_developer-multimedia_applications-nokia.html | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Or without https of course ;) | 18:19 |
| disco_stu | wich is the new dev ? | 18:21 |
| timeless | hi x-fade | 18:22 |
| timeless | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=230086#post230086 | 18:22 |
| timeless | can you make a note that it might be https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 | 18:23 |
| * timeless is still on vacation and still doesn't plan to go near itt :) | 18:23 | |
| X-Fade | timeless: Why is that bug related to me? :) | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Another job: http://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/senior-lead_developer-imaging-_sharing-nokia.html | 18:24 |
| timeless | you're alive and friendly and hopefully not yet refusing to visit itt :) | 18:28 |
| timeless | alive was the only real key point :) | 18:28 |
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| * timeless returns to W3:TPAC and vacation | 18:29 | |
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| slonopotamus | set_dim_and_blank.py line 9 typo. should be 'Dim must be <= blank' | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Looks ok to me | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | But then I'm reading it from an English viewpoint, not what it actually means as part of the python code :/ | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | compare comparison and error message | 18:35 |
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| slonopotamus | dim = 10, blank = 5. and we get error 'Dim must be >= blank' | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, I see thanks, my bad | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | it _is_ > blank | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: bad error messages | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | it must dim before it blanks | 18:37 |
| * johnx likes the idea of blanking first | 18:37 | |
| slonopotamus | me too | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | i don't want dim at all | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | ahha | 18:38 |
| johnx | on -> blank for 5 -> then dim for 10 | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what was the optimized flags for binaries again? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I'm using -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | I'd like to see variations though! :) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | and that's for N800 or n770? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | n800 | 18:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rah modest wear very well his name | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 18:45 |
| t_s_o | hmm, have anyone considered getting the latest dillo browser going on the tablets? | 18:46 |
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| disco_stu | i would like a port of midori to the NITs | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | dillo was slower than midori on deblet, really | 18:47 |
| johnx | disco_stu, you might be interested in "Tear" | 18:47 |
| t_s_o | hmm, ok | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone know a program (console or otherwise) that can show the DMA volume meter? GNOME ALSA Mixer from chrooting can do it but I'm looking for a way to do it w/out chrooting. I like the DMA volume bar because it ups the bass | 18:47 |
| johnx | if you want midori any faster, just turn off scripts | 18:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is there a way to force modest to update | 18:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | sync | 18:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | or autodestroy ? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | beating it with barbwire, probably | 18:49 |
| disco_stu | johnx: wtf is tear ? | 18:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | command not found | 18:49 |
| macoute | is there a way to force modest to work? :) | 18:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | it works very well (slow) since the last ssu | 18:49 |
| RST38h | THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING! | 18:49 |
| johnx | disco_stu, first google result for "tear browser" -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24293 | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Moo, all. | 18:50 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | johnx: foobar | 18:50 |
| johnx | :) | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | i'll give it a try | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | where does modest store his prefs ? | 18:51 |
| RST38h | gconf | 18:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | doesn t seems to be /home/user/.modest | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: how's the porting coming btw? | 18:51 |
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| djcb | Khertan_n810: gconf | 18:51 |
| disco_stu | johnx: i had downloaded it already | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg | 18:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i don t like gconf | 18:51 |
| disco_stu | didnt work | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Heh General started blogging | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Khertan: then suffer! ho! ho!ho! | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | why made a such copy of the windows registry db | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | stupid idea | 18:52 |
| johnx | it's organized better at least | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: because linux is getting closer and closer to being like windows ;) | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | (dll hell = package hell) | 18:53 |
| melmoth | it makes backuping option easy, makes reading conf easy, make having callback when configuration option happen easy | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | dllhell isn't much of a problem as package hell is | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | *dll hell | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | easy ? it s a joke ? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Becoming Windows is the ultimate goal of both Gnome and KDE | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: So they have to have all bells and whistles | 18:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, the key difference being packages have a central database and dependency info | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | the worst thing is that you cant rm .app/ and wipe an app settings | 18:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | pffff | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | melmoth: You can simply back up all the dot-files from ~ | 18:54 |
| johnx | nah, gnome wants to be a Mac these days :) | 18:54 |
| seele | i'm trying to install kde on my n810. i linked hilden-desktop to plasma to use the kde desktop, but now the device crashes and reboots. any ideas? | 18:54 |
| johnx | there's a gconf command to unset variables in a tree | 18:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: at this rate, it will become roadkill | 18:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | delete a new account and delete the old one doesn t help | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Someone should push Ed Bartosh to upload hildonised gconf-editor from chinook extras into diablo extras | 18:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | no sync | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: *recompiling glibc optimized* :P | 18:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: a lot more stuff is happening in kde | 18:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: [pleadingly] No luck with DC++? =) | 18:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, if KDE is successful then ... oh wait, people will still be working on gnome | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Isn't the source package available? | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | i prefer the way macos manage prefs ... a folder with prefs files | 18:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, open source isn't a zero sum game | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: It is, yes | 18:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: zee power of open source? :) | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Lazy bastard ;) | 18:55 |
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| RST38h | johnx: "somebody will still work on it even when nobody cares"? =) | 18:56 |
| johnx | RST38h, the power of open source is to do the same thing differently, obviously :) | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I can't do anything with it, you know I can't program for shit :P. Though you may be able to edit config file directly. | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment! | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I can help diagnosing the problem | 18:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: no, that is not the real power ;0 | 18:56 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I'd rather have Ed spend his time on adding features to the autobuilder. | 18:57 |
| johnx | I wonder if it would be hard to make a fuse client to access gconf ... | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: It compiles straight out, surely you don't need me to do what you say? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: The real power is to take somebody's project, add a few key bindings, and claim it to be yours =) | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: As he does that in his spare time. | 18:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am lazy. But I will try. | 18:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, you mean not having to reinvent the wheel just to make a simple change? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: Or even sell it | 18:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: I mean fame! I mean power! I mean money! =) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Ok, I can upload it to diablo extras-devel but should I change changelog/maintainer or can I (please let it be so), upload source package straight to diablo builder? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: May I remind that RedHat chairman's last name is Szulik, btw? ;) | 18:58 |
| * Khertan_n810 will give a try to claw-mail | 18:58 | |
| johnx | RST38h, well he seems to like gnome at least :) | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there any other email client i haven t see ? | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I guess you can just upload it to the diablo queue. | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, thanks. | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | johnx: yea, but his last name mean "crook" in Russian | 19:00 |
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| Khertan_n810 | someone have already try carman ? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: At least it's not suka :p | 19:01 |
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| lardman|gone | cu | 19:01 |
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| johnx | RST38h, but what's in a name? | 19:01 |
| RST38h | qwerty: that is just "bitch" - not descriptive enough | 19:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | does it work with a usb <-> odb-2 or does it require a odb2 <-> bluetooth ? | 19:01 |
| johnx | ha! there is a fuse client for gconf | 19:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nothing, except that it is probably the second best VIP name since Amiga's VP of development (Fleecy Moss) | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: go into /var/lib/gconf and use an text editor :p. not exactly user friendly though... | 19:03 |
| disco_stu | johnx: i need 20mb for webkit ! | 19:04 |
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| disco_stu | wont try tear | 19:04 |
| johnx | disco_stu, microb is taking up more space | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | it is stable.. | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | :S | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | haha | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | see you later | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Can you screw gconf up by editing it like this? | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: No idea. I've backed it up like that though. | 19:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum does claw mail work with gmail ? | 19:10 |
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| Khertan_n810 | pffff | 19:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there only modest and clawmail for the tablet ? | 19:16 |
| johnx | and some command line mail clients | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | sweet | 19:17 |
| RST38h | pine! pine! | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | derf: Thanks, your http://pastebin.ca/447594 from about a year ago is helping me now even. | 19:17 |
| johnx | alpine and mutt, IIRC | 19:17 |
| RST38h | works beautifully, which is surprising | 19:17 |
| johnx | maybe I lied about mutt | 19:18 |
| RST38h | mutt works, according to some | 19:19 |
| * RST38h remembers somebody suggesting mutt here | 19:19 | |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23544&highlight=mutt ? | 19:19 |
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| johnx | ah, not in a repo | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | another app that has to be in extras | 19:37 |
| seele | is there a crash log if hildon-desktop crashes? | 19:38 |
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| melmoth | not that i know of. | 19:39 |
| melmoth | seele: can you reproduce it at will ? | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: could be done, he gives instructions on how he does it :D | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | seele: you can create folder called core-dumps on memory card and learn how to read those dumps when something crashes... | 19:39 |
| seele | melmoth: yeah.. by linking the kde plasma desktop to /usr/bin/hildon-desktop, heh | 19:40 |
| melmoth | seele: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/Maemo_debugging_guide.html | 19:40 |
| melmoth | see how to catch a cordedump | 19:40 |
| seele | melmoth: thanks | 19:40 |
| melmoth | install debugging symbol. catch a back trace. nag developper :) | 19:40 |
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| slonopotamus | :( | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | extremely long timeout | 19:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | same here | 19:43 |
| melmoth | seele: "linking the kde plasma desktop to /usr/bin/hildon-desktop" . i m wondering if this is a "supported" thing | 19:44 |
| melmoth | may be, there is another way to start the kde desktop (i do not know, never try). | 19:44 |
| seele | melmoth: yeah, you can start it by just running plasma, but then you have the kde desktop running overtop of hildon | 19:45 |
| seele | and you still have the hildon navigation | 19:45 |
| RST38h | slono: yes, but why the hell are you logged into the name server? =) | 19:45 |
| RST38h | melmoth: this method sounds like a good way toward having to reflash | 19:46 |
| seele | melmoth: starting up plasma instead of hildon will sortof work, but it crashes near the end of loading. i dunno if it is kde's fault or some process looking to see if hildon is running properly | 19:46 |
| derf | qwerty12: Hah, I'd totally forgotten about that. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm using it now, this program actually uses GtkUIManager :) | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | into name server? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | *** slonopotamus is n=slonopot@ns1.possvyaz.ru | 19:51 |
| RST38h | ns1 is the domain name server | 19:51 |
| RST38h | primary one, too, according to whois =) | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | while(1==2): | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | killall modest | 19:52 |
| RST38h | just killall modest, that will be sufficient step toward world piece | 19:53 |
| RST38h | s/piece/peace/ | 19:53 |
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| infobot | RST38h meant: just killall modest, that will be sufficient step toward world peace | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | does this thing work? | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | low wifi coverage in the kitchen :( need to rebase AP | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum modest mailing list archive has nothing since august | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | The Modest-devel Archives | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | no archives | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum i understand now | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | uff | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | i'm online | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | still online, it seems | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | very strange | 19:55 |
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| slonopotamus | i've disconnected from ap several times | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Khertan: what took you this long? BTW, as Modest is now part of Diablo, you can file bugs via bugzilla and they will be handled like any base system bugs | 19:56 |
| RST38h | may be interference | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep this is the problem | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | i look for help making it running | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, i'm behind my provider's nat | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | oh, so they use dns server as the external gate... queer | 19:58 |
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| slonopotamus | ;) | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | it's a small local provider | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus | <5000 users i guess | 19:59 |
| AStorm | slonopotamus: there are a few possibilities | 19:59 |
| AStorm | one is that they ran out of DHCP space | 19:59 |
| AStorm | and someone has to get the boot | 20:00 |
| AStorm | another is faily AP :> | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | don't break my provider, ok? i'll be sad | 20:00 |
| AStorm | get another one and set as repeater :) | 20:00 |
| AStorm | might work, might not, depending on ISP | 20:00 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... good idea about repeater | 20:00 |
| RST38h | I would say it is either client/ap hardware mismatch, funky ap, or (most likely) plain old Russian concrete | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | hey | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | it's plain _new_ russian concrete | 20:01 |
| AStorm | hardware mismatch? it's a lie | 20:02 |
| RST38h | even worse - it is thicker than the old panels and has got lots of iron inside | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | 2 years only | 20:02 |
| AStorm | all 802.11 compliant hardware should work | 20:02 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Ideally, yes. But things happen. | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Try RaLink, especially with slightly wrong drivers ;) | 20:02 |
| * RST38h will be back shortly | 20:02 | |
| AStorm | that doesn't count :) it's a driver bug | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | maybe it's nokia powersave.... | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | because have no troubles with other devices | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | anyway | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | i'm online | 20:04 |
| AStorm | possible, but then it's a buggy AP | 20:04 |
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| AStorm | you could try setting lower powersaving | 20:04 |
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| slonopotamus | it's precious dlink g624t | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | wrong | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | 524 | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | di524 | 20:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I have a di524. I have the B1 though so no linux for me :( | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | b1 through - ? | 20:07 |
| slonopotamus | g624t was in another flat. there was adsl. | 20:08 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Hero of the day ;) | 20:08 |
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| slonopotamus | so | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Lol, how? :) | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus: B1 as in hardware revision | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | someone wanted to ask me something | 20:09 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Complain -> act -> fix ;) | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, oh my | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: The battery stuff? | 20:10 |
| X-Fade | We need more do-ers than complain-ers. And you are a do-er, so hero of the day ;) | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, gconf-editor | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, buyed several di524. no problems with hardware | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, buyed several di524. no problems with hardware | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | woops | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus: Hehe, the di524 itself is fine, just it uses the B1 hardware revision whereas the D hardware revision uses linux which I would have liked :( | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | the only problem - too weak cpu for 54 mbps encrypted wifi | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | huh | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | mine have linux | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus: Mine doesn't :( | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 20:12 |
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| slonopotamus | buy a new one. it's very cheap | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | Probably will do, I have fun compiling stuff for my DG834GT (I got SNMP to work on it for example) :) | 20:13 |
| slonopotamus | woops | 20:13 |
| slonopotamus | dlink says it's old | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, but it's a nice router though, pretty stable for me | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | they suggest DIR-300/DIR-320 instead | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | $18 for di524 here. cool. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Few more positive responses from maintainers. | 20:17 |
| X-Fade | My repository reduction quest really needs some kick again. A lot of promises, but nobody has time to actually do it ;) | 20:18 |
| X-Fade | But that is to be expected when people develop in their spare time. | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | ask to nokia to hire it :) | 20:19 |
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| johnx | ahaha...cash paid for closed repos? | 20:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I was thinking about something a little more threatening. :P | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe the other way pay for app in extras :) | 20:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I never said the repo owner was the only one who could collect money for a closed repo :D | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pay us to put your applications in Extras and not get yer legs broke. :P | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | hihi | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | i like this idea :) | 20:22 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 20:22 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ... | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | .. | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | . | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | ahha | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | 20:25 | |
| slonopotamus | about build flags | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | chost = armv6j-none-linux-gnueabi | 20:26 |
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| slonopotamus | this implies -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m surprised that there is any python gtk good imap client | 20:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the religion discussion on itT. | 20:28 | |
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| suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: do you believe in vim or in emacs? | 20:31 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | NANO ! | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | vim, but only because I'm lazy and haven't invested the time to play with emacs. :P | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:31 |
| slonopotamus | in sed we trust | 20:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Sure, find me a build that doesn't segfault on N800 :p | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ... hum ... | 20:32 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, sed? must be a fundamentalist... | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^W | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | so : PYGTKEDITOR ! | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | CRASH | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | did someone say pygtkeditor? | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: False ... ctl-w + some letter + enter crash :) | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: yep me :) | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, I haven't used it in a while. :D | 20:34 |
| lcuk | \o/ ello there khertan | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk | 20:34 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 20:34 |
| suihkulokki | johnx: fundamentalist would go for ED! this newfangled stream version makes things too easy for the unwashed mashes.. | 20:34 |
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| bef0rd | http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-243127.html >_> | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | wie geht's ? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | have u updated it? or are you? | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, have you started pushing your dev tools for Fremantle stars? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles : nope | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk : it s planned | 20:35 |
| lcuk | \o/ w000t | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, do it! | 20:35 |
| johnx | bef0rd, I got that from like 5 sources. Awesome article :) | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | but at this time i m finishing mCalendar | 20:35 |
| slonopotamus | i use pygtkeditor on tablet | 20:35 |
| lcuk | but you need a workhorse editor to do it well ;) | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd so love to see Nokia put some effort behind getting a development environment together on the tablets. | 20:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and trying to make modest work | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | or at least an other imap client | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles : what is the 'Fremantle Stars' ? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its actually hard - and only a few lost souls really do stuff like this (though its getting easier and the extra power will help) | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ven t got time to read news last days | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, see qgil's threads on -community, -developers and -users. | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/days/weeks | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically, Nokia wants a list of projects that they should help make really awesome for Fremantle. | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... i ll look archive so | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | mCalendar could be a candidate | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | PyGtkEditor too ... if i update it | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | how do they plan to help ? | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | and of course py2deb | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush queried qgil about that one on -developers | 20:38 |
| * lcuk hears very nice things about mcalendar very often | 20:38 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | providing nokia developpers to help ? | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ok | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll read archives tomorrow | 20:38 |
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| slonopotamus | Khertan has small timeout | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n810, tunnel? | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g data connection coverage drop | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: nope | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | but far from a city | 20:41 |
| lcuk | ahhh just france | 20:41 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | switch to gprs | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep that just france | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | i got liqbase buffer up quite a bit and into extras now \o/ | 20:41 |
| lcuk | buffed ^ | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep i see that | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | playing a bit with the x.x.3 | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | or 13 | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t remember | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | freezing my n810 | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | heh, 0.1.5 has full proper camera with png support :) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | :O | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | great | 20:43 |
| * lcuk has frozen a few tablets now :S | 20:43 | |
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| johnx | yup qwerty12_N800. it was the cable :/ | 20:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, :/ | 20:45 |
| johnx | got it flashed though | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 20:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bye ... taking my car | 20:46 |
| lcuk | cya khertan | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | [:-) | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | cya | 20:46 |
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| slonopotamus | will gmail be fast in microb one day? | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | 'some day' maybe | 20:50 |
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| johnx | maybe if they integrate tracemonkey from firefox? | 20:50 |
| johnx | or if you select basic html view | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, we're still on a really old version of FF3 | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are some huge js improvements that are waiting upstream. | 20:52 |
| johnx | people suddenly got really serious about javascript performance :) | 20:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love that competition. | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | maybe because of acid3? | 20:53 |
| bef0rd | acid tests are more about CSS | 20:53 |
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| johnx | I never would have thought FF's javascript would get faster than webkits... | 20:53 |
| slonopotamus | not third | 20:53 |
| slonopotamus | it's damn fast | 20:54 |
| bef0rd | slonopotamus, oh, that's right, acid3 requires JS | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, another datapoint about trains. It's just under $400 for 4 people to go from Orlando to DC. | 20:54 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, how long does that take? | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 19 hours and change | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a faster train that does it in 17 for about $600 | 20:55 |
| johnx | jebus! | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | http://dromaeo.com/?id=18376,18377,18398,18378,41772 | 20:55 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, might as well just walk O_o | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eh, still faster than driving. | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, the flight is only 2.5 hours. ;) | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But add in another 2 hours for security theater. | 20:56 |
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| slonopotamus | n800 doesn't charge if high cpu load o_O it uses battery even on charger? | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | omg | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But only under high load | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or if you've got a really crappy charger. | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | do laptops behave same way? | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | i've got standard nokia charger | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | and high cpu load | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | gmail ;) | 20:58 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, laptops have a fundamentally different charging architecture | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | good. | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | why couldn't tablet have same? | 20:59 |
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| slonopotamus | that's ugly - to charge for half an hour and still have 'battery low' | 21:00 |
| johnx | money? complexity? size? | 21:00 |
| johnx | take your pick | 21:00 |
| johnx | how much ( size | money | complexity aka cost ) is it worth to you? | 21:01 |
| * slonopotamus picks money | 21:01 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so that's about 1350km, right? | 21:02 |
| slonopotamus | size - twice thick is ok. i still don't understand why so small battery | 21:02 |
| slonopotamus | n800 has a lot of place for bigger battery | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, just under | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, cheaper to use a battery that another devices is already using, and smaller batteries are cheaper. | 21:03 |
| slonopotamus | what device has same battery? | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | phones? nope | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | no | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | my 3110 has smaller one | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | and 3500 too | 21:04 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, that's not the only phone nokia makes ... | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_ | N810 battery is used in some newer phones. | 21:05 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, how about 1622km in 8 hours by train? costs you ~$300 per person though... | 21:05 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty, GA said 'already using' | 21:05 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, plenty of nokia devices are using the 5l and 4l | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bullet trains are NY/Boston/Chicago area. | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | jjohnx, ok. i trust you. | 21:06 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, you don't have to. just trust google | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not me? | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | ga, you too | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | but they could make it bigger | 21:07 |
| dsample | Sorry for the possibly noob question, but is there a log somewhere that I can see more details about errors with the built-in SIP client? | 21:07 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, not much choice for long haul except airplane, bullet train or night bus (shudder) | 21:07 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 21:07 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i can see the available space on the root filesystem steadily decreasing with the device just sitting there, but then jumps back up if i give it a reboot... | 21:07 |
| qwerty12_ | slonopotamus, you can't expect all nokia devices to be using the same. my old ngage used the charger with the "fat" connector, where as my old ex-n80 used the newer thin connector | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Nokia fails: http://www.nokiausa.com/A4431611 | 21:07 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, you can just buy a bigger one from mugen, but it won't fit | 21:07 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_ | t_s_o, /var/tmp is cleaned out on reboot | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bigger batteries == more cost. | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | small connector sucks | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_ | t_s_o, by the aptly named tmp-reaper | 21:08 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, well it will fit the battery socket, but not the case | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially if you have to create an entirely new battery. | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | i broke one when charging n800 fell from table | 21:08 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, really? | 21:09 |
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| qwerty12_ | slonopotamus, i'm the charger destroying master :p | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, just need another back panekl? | 21:09 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, yeah. it's actually made for a nokia phone, but since they use the same battery you're in luck | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, they could make an option | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | i want bigger charger | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | err | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | battery | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | will build panel factory | 21:10 |
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| slonopotamus | and will sell panels for $50 | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | will become rich | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | and buy nokia | 21:11 |
| johnx | goodluckwiththat | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | and make n800 with big battery | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | good plan, eh? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | and carry it in a separate sack? | 21:11 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=231786 | 21:12 |
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| woglinde | re | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | not too big. just to be able to handle 100% cpu load for 12 hours | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, someone already implemented my plan? (didn't open link yet) | 21:13 |
| johnx | it's info on the battery | 21:14 |
| johnx | and a picture of the battery in the n800 | 21:14 |
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| slonopotamus | 3.6Ah | 21:16 |
| slonopotamus | i want that thing | 21:16 |
| johnx | so buy it :P | 21:17 |
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| slonopotamus | 'Turns out I was running with the performance governor, so that was 400 MHz for 12 hours.' | 21:17 |
| slonopotamus | wooow | 21:17 |
| slonopotamus | that's what i just said | 21:18 |
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| jagernot | hello i have a sound synth that i want to port to maemo. (http;//code.google.com/p/din) ; i want to open a pcm audio output and send audio data. how do i do that on maemo? gstreamer? | 21:21 |
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| woglinde | jagernot hm | 21:23 |
| woglinde | behind its a dsp | 21:23 |
| t_s_o | funny, i save space by using the recent pidgin update vs rtcom with msn support... | 21:23 |
| woglinde | and I do not know if gestream abstract this to the user | 21:23 |
| woglinde | jagernot hm you could aiit for lardman he knows better than me | 21:24 |
| johnx | jagernot, there's some info here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node9.html | 21:24 |
| woglinde | wait | 21:24 |
| RST38h | jagernot: no pcm audio output | 21:24 |
| solmumaha | wo ist pupnik? :( | 21:24 |
| johnx | I don't know if you've seen it or not | 21:24 |
| RST38h | jagernot: you will have to go through esd and suffer in the process, sorry | 21:24 |
| johnx | gstreamer or esd or alsa are possible | 21:25 |
| RST38h | alsa is not, apparently | 21:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes. it is | 21:25 |
| RST38h | there is some way to access it but it is convoluted | 21:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, I've been using it quite extensively... | 21:25 |
| woglinde | *g* | 21:25 |
| RST38h | gstreamer is way too heavy, so esd is the most realistic | 21:25 |
| woglinde | popcorn | 21:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, what do you think is behind esd? | 21:25 |
| melmoth | woglinde: try gst-inspect and find a pad that match the data format you are interested in | 21:25 |
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| woglinde | melmoth hm??? | 21:26 |
| woglinde | melmoth you mean jagernot | 21:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: Lo! The Enlightened Holder of Sacred Knowledge | 21:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, It's in TFM... | 21:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: no idea, but it may be alsa of course. or the plain dsp | 21:26 |
| melmoth | gstreamer is a system of "pipe". as long as you have one element that handle the data type you are interested in, you ll be able to plug it to other element, and , transform it, or play it | 21:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, want to make a third guess? | 21:27 |
| sp3000 | hrm, why is osso-xterm being weird about ttyping in an ä and backspacing over it | 21:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ok, The Conqueror of The Sacred Fucking Manual | 21:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: I would like to guess it as /dev/dsp but I know that it is not going to be so ;( | 21:27 |
| * sp3000 seems to recall it used to not be weird about it | 21:27 | |
| sp3000 | but icbw | 21:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually I think you might be right :) | 21:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: No. | 21:28 |
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| johnx | hmm? | 21:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: This has been discussed and researched before | 21:28 |
| woglinde | hehe you are confusing jagernot | 21:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: No /dev/dsp there. No dev/pcm. No dev/audio. | 21:28 |
| sp3000 | (someone seems to be disagreeing about whether a character has to be a single byte and so forth) | 21:28 |
| RST38h | There ARE some device nodes that LOOK like audio devices but I do not think they are the same thing | 21:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, /dev/dsp is the actual DSP. not an OSS sound interface | 21:29 |
| johnx | anyways, to avoid hijacking this further... | 21:29 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:29 |
| RST38h | and it is called differently too :) | 21:29 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, definitely. I think esd has a backend that talks directly to it | 21:30 |
| johnx | gstreamer or esd are probably fine choices | 21:30 |
| johnx | alsa seems to be kinda buggy lately | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | can xchat be configured to autoconnect on startup? | 21:31 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:31 |
| RST38h | and autojoin too | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | how? | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | tell me the secret combo :) | 21:32 |
| slonopotamus | pleeease | 21:32 |
| woglinde | use google | 21:32 |
| woglinde | kiddy | 21:32 |
| woglinde | *g* | 21:32 |
| woglinde | first rule | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | slono: I have to admit I do not remember =( | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | xchat -> network list has all :) | 21:32 |
| jagernot | hmm...are there any examples to work with esd/gstreamer on maemo. | 21:33 |
| woglinde | *g* secrect combo press up down a b x x y z | 21:33 |
| woglinde | there you go | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | ahha | 21:33 |
| RST38h | jagernot: what is your email address? | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | autoconnect found | 21:33 |
| jagernot | jagernot@gmail.com | 21:33 |
| woglinde | sorry could not resist | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | autojoin? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | xchat takes a channels list somewhere | 21:33 |
| RST38h | it will join those channels on connection | 21:34 |
| johnx | jagernot, There seems to be example code here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node9.html | 21:34 |
| slonopotamus | ok | 21:34 |
| RST38h | jagernot: actually, I will put it onto http | 21:34 |
| slonopotamus | trying | 21:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, for recording, best code you can look at is maemo-recorder | 21:34 |
| johnx | for really optimized sound output, mplayer is probably the best place to look | 21:35 |
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| jagernot | qwerty: no im looking for playback..but not file playback. | 21:35 |
| keesj | Hi | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, ok | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | now i know kung-fu | 21:35 |
| johnx | jagernot, I believe mplayer uses esd and the examples I linked you to are for gstreamer | 21:36 |
| RST38h | jager: http://fms.komkon.org/SndUnix.c | 21:36 |
| RST38h | jager: Look at the code denoted with ESD_AUDIO | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | joker - the one who jokes? | 21:37 |
| keesj | During the maemo summit there was a presentation about power management with some really cool tools and hardware to mesure power consumpsion. | 21:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: gstreamer stuff is pretty useless as it does not let you play synthesized buffers straightforwardly | 21:37 |
| keesj | Where could I find more information about all that? | 21:37 |
| johnx | RST38h, point taken :) | 21:37 |
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| johnx | really, alsa would probably be the lightest if it actually worked :/ | 21:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: See the above code - it will provide really simple API via either /dev/dsp, /dev/audio/ or ESD crap | 21:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, You just need to read esddsp.c and you too will know how to mangle things for direct DSP playback :) | 21:39 |
| jagernot | RST: wow looks promising | 21:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: don't really want to - I prefer the KISS principle | 21:39 |
| johnx | Me too. Just pointing it out | 21:40 |
| jagernot | RST: why is ESD crap?.. | 21:40 |
| lcuk | as long as the girls hot i like the KISS principle too, and the FONDLE and perhaps *CENSORED* | 21:40 |
| RST38h | jagernot: No documentation and weird behaviour | 21:40 |
| woglinde | lcuk *g* | 21:40 |
| RST38h | jagernot: Seems to buffer as much samples as you give it instead of blocking until they are played back | 21:40 |
| RST38h | [state-of-factly] He meant FSCK. | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, showemLIQbase? | 21:43 |
| lcuk | show who? | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/em/'er :p | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the girl ofc | 21:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 killed it | 21:45 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets +lurking | 21:45 | |
| lcuk | nahhh, theres much better things to lick | 21:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oh, you've watched 2g1c | 21:47 |
| lcuk | why am i not surprised you have | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | because i'm qwerty12 :) | 21:49 |
| jagernot | if i have to do it with gstreamer instead what should i do...GstAudioSource? GstAudioSink? | 21:49 |
| jagernot | unfortunately no examples that do synthesis...i saw audiotestsrc but if someone has done it before and shed some light.. | 21:50 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :D you commented and voted on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 21:51 |
| lcuk | you are right, more people should ;) | 21:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, of course :D | 21:51 |
| lcuk | +1 :D | 21:52 |
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| melmoth | jagernot: i do not think (but i may be wrong) gstreamer does synth, you have to feed data from somewhere. | 21:52 |
| * RST38h will go vote | 21:52 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I only did it really because my karma goes up :p | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | heh | 21:53 |
| melmoth | but if you can generate the sound in a format gstreamer can cope with, then you can pipe it to an audiosink | 21:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty <-- cynical bastard =) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | karma whore | 21:53 |
| lcuk | (like me) | 21:53 |
| jagernot | melmoth: hmm..a source that reads from a file is technically doing synthesis the moment it has read the file and got the samples to send to the audio sink. | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | why, thank you | 21:53 |
| RST38h | speaking of karma whoring, why my last application hasn't got counted into karma? =) | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Broken again. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | ohwell... | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, that reminds me, i need to vote on your stuff although now doesn't sound like a good time... | 21:54 |
| RST38h | the maemo.org appears to be semi-dead again =( | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apparently X-Fade poked bergie about it. I reopened the bug about a week ago. | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see. | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn, gnome alsa mixer crashed on me and now i'm left with a tablet that outputs sound from both speakers + headphones | 21:57 |
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| smokie | I failed executing the maemo-scratchbox installer on ubuntu 8.04 (x86_64). Even setarch failed. Is the only solution to install a chroot ? | 21:57 |
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| dsample | The SIP client worked fine at work but now I'm home it says "network error" for my Ekiga account, is there any way to expand on that error? | 21:58 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 21:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, may take a while to update | 22:00 |
| lcuk | when did you upload/promote | 22:00 |
| lcuk | hi neostrider | 22:00 |
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| neostrider | whats going on? | 22:00 |
| neostrider | I've been quite away from the Maemo community | 22:01 |
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| neostrider | but the good news is that I have a new game comming out of the oven... | 22:01 |
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| solmumaha | smokie: it should work | 22:02 |
| solmumaha | what is the error? | 22:02 |
| smokie | solmumaha, a lot of repositories are printed and at the end Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo4-sdk/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 22:03 |
| smokie | solmumaha, i guess apt tries to fetch from x86_64 repos, and not from i386 ? | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: long ago | 22:04 |
| solmumaha | install from tarballs (-s) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | ahhh rite, mines not listed either but its new | 22:04 |
| smokie | solmumaha, ok, that may be an option. Sure that there are not other pitfalls for x86_64 ? Is it better to use the 4.1 vmware image ? | 22:06 |
| solmumaha | it works fine, i use it | 22:06 |
| neostrider | anyone feeling brave to try my new game? | 22:06 |
| solmumaha | you may need to run "/bin/echo 4096 | /usr/bin/tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" before starting it though | 22:07 |
| solmumaha | neostrider: sure | 22:07 |
| neostrider | what device you have right now? | 22:07 |
| solmumaha | 770/n800 | 22:08 |
| lcuk | solmumaha, mmm you have a 770 | 22:08 |
| neostrider | me too | 22:08 |
| lcuk | does anyone else have a 770 handy thats booted? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | or handy | 22:08 |
| lcuk | neo is yours to hand though? | 22:09 |
| neostrider | lcuk: I have a 770 running Gregalle...does it worth for your testings? | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | whut | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | I have 770 next to me | 22:09 |
| neostrider | (Gregalle or Gregale?) | 22:09 |
| neostrider | Im holding it right now | 22:09 |
| lcuk | well i was told recently liqbase wont run on it (but it will install) on os2008he, i was just wondering why not | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | oh, right, I still have OS2007HE2 | 22:10 |
| lcuk | dont worry, ill find a way to try in near future - i dont know which libs you would need for earlier oses | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, remember os2008he is based on chinook, not diablo. but you dont compile with processor optimisations right? | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | yes qwerty (-O3) but nothing specific extra and libs are basic | 22:11 |
| lcuk | i dont have cpu specific options if thats what you mean | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh -o3 should be standard, nothing specific iirc | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 22:12 |
| lcuk | yeah thought so | 22:12 |
| lcuk | thats just loop unrolling and inlining and basic standard opts | 22:12 |
| neostrider | solmumaha... I will upload the game and will let you know when Im ready | 22:12 |
| lcuk | neostrider, whats the game do? | 22:12 |
| neostrider | its an 3D adventure | 22:13 |
| lcuk | or is that half the fun | 22:13 |
| lcuk | oooh | 22:13 |
| neostrider | just like those from the 80s | 22:13 |
| neostrider | but in 3D | 22:13 |
| neostrider | think of "driller" | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | you are in a dark room. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | There is a lamp beside you. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | : | 22:13 |
| neostrider | hauhauhauahu....not quite like this | 22:13 |
| lcuk | :D driller was great | 22:13 |
| neostrider | "you're in a decaying space station | 22:14 |
| neostrider | there is a lamp beside you" | 22:14 |
| neostrider | > | 22:14 |
| lcuk | 16777215 possible screen locations! | 22:14 |
| neostrider | =-P | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | use the lamp on yourself. game over. | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | driller got 97% in crash | 22:14 |
| lcuk | i HAD to have that game | 22:14 |
| * lcuk can remember getting lost looking for beryl | 22:15 | |
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| lcuk | :D it was 20billion view locations! | 22:16 |
| neostrider | the only bad thing of the Maemo port of my game is the lack of the soundtrack | 22:16 |
| lcuk | you ported driller? | 22:17 |
| neostrider | Ravel's bolero is the "thing" to create the tension on the last minutes... | 22:17 |
| neostrider | no no... | 22:17 |
| neostrider | all things original | 22:17 |
| neostrider | but the graphics have a similar aspect | 22:17 |
| lcuk | ill have a go at installing it | 22:17 |
| lcuk | is it OSS? | 22:17 |
| neostrider | sure! | 22:17 |
| neostrider | GPL | 22:17 |
| neostrider | http://corporatedrones.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/screenshot-riddler.png | 22:17 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 22:17 |
| lcuk | nice, what engine do you use | 22:18 |
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| neostrider | (bulding inside scratchbox) | 22:19 |
| neostrider | I created my own engine... | 22:19 |
| neostrider | at first , I used it for Angstron | 22:19 |
| neostrider | now I did a major revamp on it | 22:19 |
| lcuk | neostrider, ok then - what backend does your engine render to | 22:22 |
| lcuk | you are running it in vista though, so that causes an incredible drag on coolness :P | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no aero does that :p | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | hiya dneary \o | 22:24 |
| dneary | hey hey | 22:25 |
| neostrider | uploading... | 22:25 |
| neostrider | lcuk: ubuntu with a vista theme due to a great lack of better theme | 22:25 |
| neostrider | hey dneary | 22:25 |
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| neostrider | (ops...forgot to add optimizations to gcc) | 22:26 |
| lcuk | neostrider, isnt that like puttin a ford badge on a ferarri? why on earth would you want to advertize yourself a vista fan? | 22:26 |
| neostrider | (but my 770 didnt exploded...0 | 22:26 |
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| neostrider | lcuk: I know...I very ashamed of it..I will improve it...Im switching to exclusive fluxbox X11 install! | 22:26 |
| neostrider | wow...I didnt forgot to add optimization...the is just THIS SLOW on the 770 heheh | 22:27 |
| neostrider | maybe I should turn off dynamic lightning by default | 22:27 |
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| dneary | Hi neostrider | 22:28 |
| neostrider | can I post the rapidshare link in here? | 22:30 |
| RST38h | why not? | 22:31 |
| neostrider | ok | 22:31 |
| neostrider | http://rapidshare.com/files/156567784/testmaemo_riddler.zip.html | 22:31 |
| neostrider | here we go | 22:31 |
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| neostrider | keep the "storage" directory in your /media/mmc1 and you can run "riddler" from anywhere you want | 22:32 |
| neostrider | the first "loading" will be strange, as it will display a black screen until finished...the other ones will work finew | 22:32 |
| neostrider | if you press [center] in the D-Pad, it will perform the action display'd at the top-right of the screen | 22:33 |
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| neostrider | (too bad the 770 cant natively play ogg files...) | 22:34 |
| lcuk810 | neo could you respam plz | 22:35 |
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| neostrider | you mean, saying the link again? | 22:35 |
| lcuk810 | yeah | 22:35 |
| neostrider | sure | 22:35 |
| neostrider | http://rapidshare.com/files/156567784/testmaemo_riddler.zip.html | 22:35 |
| neostrider | great! a n810! | 22:35 |
| neostrider | the best test scennario I could ask for! | 22:36 |
| lcuk | no, it only says that - im ashamed to say its a c64 in disguise | 22:36 |
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| neostrider | even better! | 22:36 |
| neostrider | if my game runs in C64, it means Im such a bad*ss! | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | you know, rapidshit is not the best distribution medium for the tablets | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or a zip :p :) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | oh crap, a zip as well | 22:38 |
| johnx | xarchiver to the rescue! | 22:38 |
| neostrider | please suggest me better ways to do it | 22:38 |
| neostrider | I will do it promptly | 22:38 |
| lcuk | keep .deb, put it on your blogspace | 22:38 |
| neostrider | (just dont ask me for a debian package...its just...hum..."too soon" for it) | 22:38 |
| neostrider | owww man | 22:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:38 |
| lcuk | its ok i only just packaged mine recently ;) | 22:39 |
| neostrider | I was in a private war with my EeePC yesterday | 22:39 |
| neostrider | it refused to install my .debs | 22:39 |
| lcuk | crap, johnx is xarchiver installed by default? | 22:40 |
| neostrider | if this test suceeds, I will deploy a more polished version in a .deb, I promess ;)) | 22:40 |
| johnx | of course not | 22:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, that would make it too easy | 22:40 |
| fie | What is Maemo's interface called? | 22:40 |
| johnx | maemo | 22:40 |
| neostrider | maemo-desktop-af? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | slow | 22:41 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:41 |
| neostrider | the game? | 22:41 |
| johnx | hildon-desktop? | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neostrider, http://pastebin.com/d6cd66dcb :/ thanks for the game though :/ | 22:41 |
| fie | hildon | 22:41 |
| fie | that sounds right | 22:41 |
| fie | yeah | 22:41 |
| johnx | lcuk, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xarchiver/ | 22:42 |
| neostrider | qwerty12_N800: have you placed the "storage" directory in /media/mmc1? | 22:42 |
| fie | Huh | 22:42 |
| fie | "It uses the matchbox window manager" | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neostrider, maemo-af-desktop was replaced with hildon-desktop in os2008 | 22:42 |
| neostrider | qwerty12_N800: Im getting old! | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neostrider, no, my bad :/ | 22:42 |
| fie | "and like ubuntu mobile it uses gtk based hildon as it's gui and app framework" | 22:42 |
| neostrider | UME is not using hildon anymore..right? | 22:42 |
| johnx | it is, AFAIK | 22:43 |
| neostrider | (why dont openmoko uses hildon instead of that..."bizarre" UI?) | 22:43 |
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| johnx | probably a case of hildon not being a great choice when they started | 22:45 |
| fie | anyone used ubuntu mobile? | 22:45 |
| neostrider | does UME really exist? | 22:45 |
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| neostrider | I heard there is progress going on...but never saw it... | 22:45 |
| neostrider | I was eager to run it on my EeePC =-) | 22:45 |
| fie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ubuntumobile.jpg | 22:46 |
| fie | neostrider, eee isn't touchscreen is it? | 22:46 |
| neostrider | not really =-/ | 22:46 |
| neostrider | at least, not my model | 22:46 |
| neostrider | I own the LOWEST possible model in the ladder | 22:46 |
| neostrider | 2G Surf | 22:46 |
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| neostrider | but I love it, in all its glorious cheapness | 22:47 |
| fie | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile | 22:47 |
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| neostrider | im in shock! | 22:49 |
| fie | hmm... there's not a download for it. :-/ | 22:49 |
| fie | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mobile | 22:49 |
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| fie | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/ OOooooo | 22:50 |
| dsample | It just looke like Canola2, lol | 22:50 |
| neostrider | how to test those images? | 22:51 |
| neostrider | qemu? | 22:51 |
| johnx | or buy a samsung q1? | 22:52 |
| neostrider | we dont have Q1's in Brazil =-P | 22:53 |
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| neostrider | samsung doesnt like us | 22:53 |
| johnx | I don't think we have them here either :) | 22:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Go to South Korea and complain :) | 22:54 |
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| neostrider | my south korean (and former samsung employee) ex-girlfriend wouldnt appreciate it =-P | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 22:56 |
| neostrider | hey bondomondo, nice nickname heheh | 22:56 |
| johnx | guess I could just swim over and pick one up... | 22:56 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, you could walk over and meet me there | 22:56 |
| neostrider | cant you guys just throw one q1 one for me? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I live on an island too :) | 22:57 |
| neostrider | c'mon...its just two oceans from here! | 22:57 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah. suppose a quick dip and a short stroll then | 22:57 |
| neostrider | (anyone else tried my game?) | 22:57 |
| johnx | I will in the morning. but for now I'm headed to sleep actually | 22:58 |
| johnx | I'll download it now though :) | 22:58 |
| neostrider | thanks | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hehe, i'll let you do all the talking. if i argue, samsung will be treated to my extensive range of offensive words :p | 22:58 |
| neostrider | compliments: monteiroquiet at gmail dot com | 22:58 |
| neostrider | complaints: /dev/null | 22:59 |
| johnx | ahaha | 22:59 |
| heelio | anybody here expert in multibooting? | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:59 |
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| * johnx wants to stab rapidshare some days | 23:00 | |
| neostrider | * wants to stab rapidshare just everytime | 23:00 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a friend who shares his accounts with me :p | 23:00 | |
| neostrider | (oops...forgot the /me ) | 23:00 |
| johnx | I only use it some days | 23:00 |
| * johnx really sleeps | 23:01 | |
| neostrider | I only use it becouse geocities is a bad bad bitch sometimes | 23:01 |
| heelio | (don't everybody volunteer at once) | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | geocities.. yeuch | 23:01 |
| neostrider | qwerty12_N800: sometimes a man get's desperate for some web hosting... | 23:02 |
| neostrider | heelio: we dont want to burn your device =-P | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neostrider, I know, i used geocities years ago :p | 23:02 |
| heelio | hey... | 23:02 |
| heelio | just wanna know if its doable to do this one thing on an n800 | 23:03 |
| RST38h | neostrider: but surely not THAT desperate? | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | heelio: if you mean to inquire about erotic experiences, we can't help you | 23:03 |
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| neostrider | RST38h: Im cheap =-P | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | neostrider: Google Pages? | 23:04 |
| heelio | want to triple boot diablo from flash or from 2 1gig partitions on a 2 gig mmc. doable? | 23:04 |
| neostrider | hummmm | 23:04 |
| neostrider | maybe? I will investigate the idea... | 23:04 |
| neostrider | does google own everything it displays? | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | no idea | 23:04 |
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| neostrider | ( i was being ironic =-P) | 23:05 |
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| heelio | while i'm about it, is there a decent gui or menu driven file manager for the tablet, anywhere? | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Midnight Commander, but it has got some issues | 23:07 |
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| heelio | tried that; shoulda specified that if menu driven, needs to be well documented... ;) | 23:08 |
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| neostrider | well folks, got to go | 23:09 |
| RST38h | If you can't figure how MC works, I can't help you | 23:09 |
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| neostrider | Im working on the multiplayer version of Angstron... | 23:09 |
| neostrider | thanks for the help | 23:09 |
| neostrider | []s | 23:09 |
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| RST38h | =) | 23:09 |
| fie | yeah the q1 looks pretty sexy | 23:09 |
| fie | only 3 hours though. | 23:09 |
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| smokie | Hi, while installing the 4.1.1 SDK i get following erro => Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) | 23:31 |
| smokie | Is this a temporary server problem ? | 23:31 |
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| heelio | anybody know whats wrong with my mc booting copy of knips? only gives me a green screen. works okay booting from flash. | 23:55 |
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| GNUton | hi ther | 23:56 |
| GNUton | e | 23:56 |
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