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| * Stskeeps plays a little more with hildon on deblet | 01:05 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, ping. | 01:11 |
| t_s_o | mornin GeneralAntilles | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, basically we need to experiment with packaging. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now it's all talk, so we need people to play with the packaging and people to be guinea pigs once there's something concrete. | 01:12 |
| t_s_o | in other words, who has a IT to act as a lab rat? | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | More or less | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that's still dependent on somebody stepping up to actually put together some packages. ;) | 01:13 |
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| |rt| | what's an IT? | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | ow | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:14 |
| |rt| | internet tablet? | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | are there any hildon themes where the fonts are not so bloody oversized? | 01:23 |
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| zakkm | in terms of web surfing, general usage.. how much better is the newest diablo - Nokia N800 .. vs the Nokia 770 ( OS2006/07 ) | 01:25 |
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| Stskeeps | it has improvements obviously | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | 770 to 800 is a good step up :P | 01:25 |
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| zakkm | I'm buying a N800 off someone on craigslist this sunday. | 01:27 |
| zakkm | I used to own the 770. | 01:27 |
| zakkm | But it was hella slow for browsing and stuff | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | then n800 probably helps | 01:27 |
| zakkm | my 770 got wsod many months ago. | 01:27 |
| zakkm | N800 for $150 ? you think thats good? ( Canadian Dollars ) | 01:27 |
| zakkm | used - comes with everything | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's decent, think i paid like 200-250$ for mine | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | from fresh | 01:28 |
| zakkm | yeah but you get warranty :P | 01:28 |
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| Stskeeps | not when you have to import from the US when the company importing in .dk screwed you over to the extent of almost filing a police report for fraud towards them | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:29 |
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| zakkm | loll | 01:29 |
| zakkm | you live in denmark ? | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 01:29 |
| n810 | does anyone knows about maemo app to control xbmc? | 01:30 |
| zakkm | there is one? | 01:30 |
| n810 | i remember some "dev" talked about it in this channel | 01:30 |
| n810 | january this year or so.. | 01:30 |
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| n810 | i'm not sure to start writing it myself in python+gtk bindings; send/get data via built-in xbmc web server | 01:33 |
| zakkm | How good is android on N800 ? | 01:33 |
| zakkm | xbmc = xbox media center, right? | 01:33 |
| n810 | sorry.. yeah | 01:33 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: it's a proof of concept really | 01:34 |
| zakkm | not usable? | 01:34 |
| zakkm | like a good alternative? | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's usable to some extent but it's an old version | 01:34 |
| n810 | name? source? | 01:34 |
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| zakkm | By the looks of it i will just be using Canola and microb. | 01:35 |
| zakkm | How good is iNES? and those emulators? | 01:35 |
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| n810 | using canola? that would be quite nice | 01:36 |
| zakkm | looks so good.. didn't work on my old 770 | 01:36 |
| * Stskeeps is torn between liking hildon and not liking it | 01:37 | |
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| t_s_o | unless one have a keyboard (or own a N810) game emulators on the tablet makes no sense | 01:38 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:38 |
| zakkm | scuumvm ? | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, why not try them and see? | 01:38 |
| zakkm | I dont have the tablet yet. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, have you tried them with an N800? | 01:38 |
| * mgedmin can play tic tac toe without a keyboard, so there! | 01:38 | |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: I'm buying on sunday. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | VGBA and VGB work great for me on my N800 | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can hook up a Wiimote if the controls really bother you. | 01:39 |
| zakkm | GenerealAntilles: Diablo? | 01:39 |
| zakkm | Wiimotes work on n800 ? | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just a Bluetooth device. | 01:39 |
| zakkm | any bluetooth device works? | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as there are drivers for it. | 01:40 |
| t_s_o | and try to hold two devices? meh. if one have to put the device on a table to play, one could just go for a desktop emulator anyways... | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, the Wiimote is one-handed, the tablet is one-handed . | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just ask Navi. ;) | 01:40 |
| t_s_o | heh, i envisioned using it in the classical nes hold... | 01:40 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: would i just have to go through nokia builtin settings to get wiimote to work and function ? | 01:41 |
| t_s_o | if one was to use the sensorsystem instead, i guess it could work, somewhat... | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, Wiicontrol | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I don't have any trouble using VGBA with just the N800. | 01:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, anyway, yes, RST38h's emulators are very high quality. | 01:47 |
| zakkm | Which did RST38h do? | 01:47 |
| zakkm | Ya sorry, my Linkinus trial ended so i had to download another irc client | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Colloquy | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linkinus sucks | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://fms.komkon.net/ | 01:48 |
| zakkm | yeah im on colloquy now | 01:48 |
| zakkm | only other i know | 01:48 |
| * Stskeeps wonders how powerlaunch works on deblet | 01:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a few from the Classic days, but those suck worse. | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't seem that maemo-depedannt | 01:48 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:48 |
| zakkm | i know irssi and stuff.. but i meant like fully gui mac ones. | 01:49 |
| zakkm | and mirc and stuff for windows.. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Snak, Ircle, etc. | 01:49 |
| zakkm | is the VGBA playable? like high framerate | 01:49 |
| zakkm | oh those suck :P so ugly | 01:49 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if i get a decent hildon environment up for deblet, is it something you'd like to either work or on try and see what can be done for it? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | More likely I might push it community-side. | 01:51 |
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| zakkm | GeneralAntiles:In your opinion, is $150 good for a used Nokia N800 with all the stuff it came with? | 01:52 |
| zakkm | Canadian dollars. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a good deal. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming it's not scratched to hell. | 01:52 |
| zakkm | yeah i wouldnt buy it if it is | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, It's something I'd definitely be interested in seeing, but it's not something I see myself putting a lot my own time into. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly because I have a tendency to pick up lots of projects then never really invest much time in any of them. | 01:53 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* so far i've isolated problems like, maemo-gtk and gtk isn't all that synced just yet, extras come from rest of X obviously, the fact people depend on closed source libraries for their apps, .. and much other stuff | 01:53 |
| zakkm | One question, sorry, Does canola work on diablo ? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it works just fine. | 01:54 |
| Stskeeps | nokia has without thinking about it caused platform lock in, imho | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 99% of stuff is compatible between Chinook and Diablo. | 01:54 |
| zakkm | Is the VGBA smooth playback ? | 01:54 |
| zakkm | gaming* | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very | 01:55 |
| zakkm | awesome :) | 01:55 |
| zakkm | going to one nice purchase. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, now, pushing Nokia for changes along the lines of https://wiki.maemo.org/Objective:Maemo_variants is something I can definitely do. | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, need to be people to push the political agenda too i guess :P | 01:56 |
| Stskeeps | *waits for wiki to load..* | 01:56 |
| zakkm | yeah taking long for me too | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That objective fits perfectly with my community council hat. ;) | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the Fremantle alpha SDK is an especially good time to start pushing the upstream compatibility. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They seem to be heading in that directly anyway, but pointing out specific failure points will help. | 01:59 |
| zakkm | When i get nokia, is it safe to update to the newest diablo ? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 01:59 |
| zakkm | I been reading forum post and it seems risky | 01:59 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: just do it from fresh before installing anything and you should be fine | 02:00 |
| zakkm | im buying it used so it might already have apps on it | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not doing stupid things prevents you from having trouble. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 02:00 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:00 |
| zakkm | I was thinking of reflashing it and then updating | 02:01 |
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| zakkm | Is flashing in Mac okay? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770Flasher.app works fine. | 02:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. still waiting for wiki | 02:01 |
| zakkm | yeah me too | 02:01 |
| zakkm | wiki is like broken :P | 02:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 02:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | When are those servers coming? . . . | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's got them all playing Quake 2 against each other. | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: in any case, a proof of concept powerlaunch + hildon env should be enough for people to start hacking eventually.. then people can pick up from there i guess | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just gotta find the tipping point where people are interested enough to start investing their own time. | 02:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | My biggest issue with Deblet is the UI. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's awkward using a desktop DE, the keys don't work like I expect them, virtual input sucks, etc, etc. | 02:04 |
| Stskeeps | i prefer hildon myself, or maybe something along the lines of http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2888/two.jpg | 02:04 |
| zakkm | would WM's work well ? | 02:04 |
| zakkm | *box's ? | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once you get to the point where you've pretty well replicated Maemo's Ui, and most things work as you'd expect (or better!), then it starts to look like a more viable alternative. | 02:05 |
| zakkm | is hildon closed source? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's open source. | 02:06 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: nice screenshot ( reading the show off your screenshots thread) | 02:06 |
| zakkm | so why not just edit hildon ? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody changed that screenshot to an ugly one of Ubuntu Mobile for some reason. | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm half tempted to change it back | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | since the OS2008 shot looked much nicer (and better demonstrated exactly what Hildon is) | 02:07 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <--- deblet ? | 02:07 |
| zakkm | looks like maemo | 02:07 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: the current low-resolution screenshot on that wikipedia page sucks, go do it | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Itos_2008_desktop.jpg | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what I was using. | 02:08 |
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| zakkm | default? | 02:09 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, that's deblet+hildon | 02:09 |
| zetheroo | is there a free GPS software which is complete with voices and all? | 02:09 |
| Stskeeps | maemo mapper maybe | 02:09 |
| zakkm | deblet+ hildon ? | 02:09 |
| zakkm | so its not maemo . but it looks and acts like it? lol | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Ubuntu fanboys are a bit weird on Wikipedia. | 02:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's not maemo, it's deblet and hildon :P | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using flite | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not great, but it fits the bill. | 02:10 |
| Stskeeps | which is not entirely like maemo | 02:10 |
| mgedmin | so, put both screenshots on the page | 02:10 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: i like your skin in it and was wondering if its a maemo skin, but i guess not | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They stick Ubuntu references in the strangest places. | 02:10 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it's "plankton".. think it's in sdk | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, sounds like a plan! | 02:11 |
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| Stskeeps | .. but anyway, it's one of the open source themes | 02:11 |
| zakkm | Was wondering if i could have it. But i would like to use maemo for awhile before i start deblet and stuff | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, like Stskeeps says, it's Plankton, the free theme they use for the SDK, it's also available for the tablets. | 02:11 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-theme-plankton, google it | 02:11 |
| zakkm | oh sweet :) | 02:11 |
| zakkm | thanks | 02:11 |
| zakkm | bookmarking | 02:11 |
| zakkm | wait this is 2007 ? | 02:12 |
| zakkm | OS2007 ? | 02:12 |
| zakkm | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/12pt-hildon-theme-plankton/ | 02:12 |
| zakkm | ah ill figure it out | 02:12 |
| zakkm | I have a question | 02:13 |
| Stskeeps | interesting url though | 02:13 |
| zakkm | How do i backup everything . so if flash fails.. It will still work from a backup? | 02:14 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: frightening, powerlaunch compiled with only 1-2 changes. first maemo app doing that | 02:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, OK, added both. Thanks! | 02:15 |
| Stskeeps | .. besides advanced-backlight | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 02:15 |
| AStorm | hello again | 02:16 |
| AStorm | do you know of any nice PIM tool for both my PC and n810? :) | 02:16 |
| zakkm | For everything deblet, apps etc.. what size SD should i be looking at? | 02:16 |
| zakkm | not including music,video etc.. | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8GB-16GB is the sweet spot for price | 02:16 |
| zakkm | haha cant afford that much | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | $30? | 02:17 |
| zakkm | 2GB = $7.99 XD | 02:17 |
| zakkm | im about to pay $150 for nokia. It will make me broke. | 02:17 |
| AStorm | :> | 02:17 |
| zakkm | Im a 17 year old high school student. | 02:17 |
| AStorm | well, for n800? | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a job! | 02:17 |
| zakkm | i have a job | 02:17 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: :> | 02:17 |
| zakkm | i work 28 hours this coming week | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get another job! | 02:17 |
| AStorm | if it were that simple | 02:18 |
| zakkm | + classes.. | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are the labor laws up there like? | 02:18 |
| zakkm | Astorm: doesnt GarnetVM work ? | 02:18 |
| AStorm | I feel the whole PIM section is being ignored with n's | 02:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles was doing 40 hours a week at work during his senior year. | 02:18 | |
| zakkm | GeneralAntiles: perfect? idkk | 02:18 |
| AStorm | zakkm: it sucks, it's not integrated etc. | 02:18 |
| AStorm | it's PALM! | 02:18 |
| zakkm | so? | 02:18 |
| AStorm | it wastes n's UI | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, GPE? | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pimlico? | 02:18 |
| AStorm | and it's slower than native | 02:18 |
| zakkm | Astorm: .. add KDE and use KDE PIM ? :) | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan's stuff? | 02:18 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: close, but no cigar | 02:18 |
| AStorm | anything better? | 02:19 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: Pimlico... haven't tried | 02:19 |
| AStorm | webpages please? | 02:19 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html | 02:19 |
| AStorm | zakkm: I don't want KDE, thank you | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a finite number of PIM packages on Maemo | 02:19 |
| AStorm | it is too all-inclusive, can't just take a part of it | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sooo, either one of the few will do it for you or it wont. ;) | 02:19 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: ah, that one | 02:20 |
| AStorm | with non-integrated apps? | 02:20 |
| AStorm | something more integrated please? | 02:20 |
| zakkm | AStorm: can use easy debian and install kde-pim? | 02:20 |
| zakkm | that way its integrated into maemo ? | 02:20 |
| AStorm | zakkm: ... | 02:20 |
| AStorm | it's too integrated in its own! | 02:20 |
| AStorm | I mean, if I pull a bit of KDE, I have to eat it whole | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pimlico is integrated. . . . | 02:20 |
| AStorm | or I'll have problems | 02:20 |
| zakkm | just size wise | 02:20 |
| zakkm | not UI . | 02:20 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: really? it has 3 apps for the same PIM | 02:20 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Hildonized | 02:21 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: yes, that's a plus | 02:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't quite sure what you mean by "integrated". | 02:21 | |
| zakkm | Is there any alternatives besides Deblet ? | 02:21 |
| zakkm | reasonable ones. | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming that means ". . . with Maemo", which means "Hildonized" | 02:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not even sure deblet is reasonable | 02:21 |
| zakkm | lol | 02:21 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: might be, might not as long as UI is usable enough on n | 02:22 |
| zakkm | i mean ones worth looking into | 02:22 |
| AStorm | syncing with main machine is important | 02:22 |
| AStorm | and that it's buildable here | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, truth be told, Maemo is really more than adequate. | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has its quirks, but it works. | 02:22 |
| Stskeeps | that it does | 02:22 |
| zakkm | I know but i like how you say .. looking around, trying new software.. | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which can't entirely be said of most of the alternatives (yet). | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you'll want some SD cards. ;) | 02:23 |
| AStorm | uhm... I think... Pimlico's Todo is a failure | 02:23 |
| AStorm | it has no categorizing | 02:23 |
| AStorm | no nesting | 02:23 |
| AStorm | no nothing | 02:23 |
| zakkm | When i had my 770 .. i downloaded every app in application manager :P | 02:23 |
| zakkm | and added repos and all too | 02:23 |
| * zakkm likes trying new software | 02:23 | |
| AStorm | wrong, it has 1-level nesting, not enough | 02:23 |
| AStorm | I just dropped chandler because it has no nesting | 02:24 |
| AStorm | (on main machine) | 02:24 |
| AStorm | See, I need a way to categorize all these todos | 02:25 |
| zakkm | google calendar :) | 02:25 |
| AStorm | zakkm: no offline mode, pity | 02:25 |
| AStorm | offline is required | 02:25 |
| zakkm | none have google gears? | 02:25 |
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| AStorm | sorry, I can't see untimed stuff in Google Calendar | 02:27 |
| AStorm | it fails on start :) | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad alterego's todo never came out. | 02:27 |
| AStorm | I need timed and untimed stuff | 02:27 |
| AStorm | with simple nesting | 02:27 |
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| zakkm | what about that "Dates" that GeneralAntiles sent ? | 02:28 |
| zakkm | that looked nice | 02:28 |
| AStorm | it doesn't support undated stuff either | 02:29 |
| AStorm | and has no nesting | 02:29 |
| AStorm | heck, why does Todo have to be a flat list? | 02:29 |
| AStorm | this is so wrong | 02:29 |
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| AStorm | it was supposed to be Personal Information *Management* | 02:30 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 02:34 |
| AStorm | just found something called NoteCase | 02:35 |
| AStorm | but I suspect it doesn't take dates at all :-( | 02:35 |
| AStorm | something like that, but with dates, priorities and maybe completion count for categories | 02:36 |
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| AStorm | http://www.taskcoach.org/ - GOLD! | 02:40 |
| AStorm | ok, now, someone please port it and hildonize | 02:40 |
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| AStorm | for reference, it uses wxPython | 02:41 |
| AStorm | with PyOpenGL | 02:42 |
| AStorm | hmm, no, opengl part is not required | 02:42 |
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| AStorm | just wxPython. Do we have it already? | 02:42 |
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| mikkov_ | no wxwigets for maemo so far | 02:48 |
| AStorm | argh | 02:48 |
| AStorm | dammit, porting that is much too hard | 02:48 |
| AStorm | debian armel has it? | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I thought wx had been ported? | 02:49 |
| mikkov_ | but i hear that wxwidgets is hildonized in svn | 02:49 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: :) | 02:49 |
| mikkov_ | maybe there is deb somewhere but it doesn't help if nobody knows where it is | 02:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:51 |
| AStorm | hmmm :-( | 02:51 |
| mikkov_ | actually hildozed wx is great, because you get hildonized apps without changing any code | 02:52 |
| AStorm | at least somewhat hildonized | 02:52 |
| AStorm | so, can I have it? | 02:52 |
| AStorm | with wxPython as well | 02:52 |
| AStorm | (which should be easy) | 02:52 |
| mikkov_ | Grab sources from svn and try? | 02:53 |
| mikkov_ | haven't tried myself | 02:53 |
| AStorm | I mean, from wx svn? | 02:54 |
| AStorm | because "from svn" is not specific enough | 02:57 |
| mikkov_ | wx svn, yes | 02:57 |
| mikkov_ | here's some early work about wx and hildon http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2007/11/hildonizing-wxgtk.html | 02:58 |
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| mikkov_ | there's somewhere better pictures | 02:58 |
| AStorm | these are good enough | 03:00 |
| AStorm | ok, so I get to grab it and finish the work... package for Maemo (urgh!) and do the same with wxPython | 03:00 |
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| AStorm | then mangle ui of taskcoach to fit small screen better | 03:02 |
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| mikkov_ | screenshots on taskcoach are about tablet screen size | 03:05 |
| mikkov_ | at taskcoach website | 03:05 |
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| AStorm | but its ui is rightclick loaded | 03:06 |
| AStorm | or menu loaded | 03:06 |
| AStorm | menus are large too | 03:07 |
| AStorm | some of the menus should be offloaded to a configuration screen | 03:10 |
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| mikkov_ | screenshots don't tell the whole truth I guess :) | 03:12 |
| AStorm | well, nothing major is needed | 03:12 |
| AStorm | it has subwindows, which are selectable | 03:13 |
| AStorm | "views" | 03:13 |
| AStorm | this goes to configuration | 03:13 |
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| AStorm | Sort and Columns are too cumbersome as menus | 03:14 |
| mikkov_ | here's more about wx&hildon http://maemolibs.blogspot.com/2007/12/first-some-screenshots.html | 03:18 |
| AStorm | looks good, except for file dialogs | 03:22 |
| AStorm | which is really what has to be changed in Maemo's port of GTK | 03:22 |
| AStorm | no, not some hildon overlay on top of GTK. GTK itself. | 03:23 |
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| AStorm | yes, apps like gimp would need porting, but they do anyway | 03:25 |
| AStorm | (just make gtk use libhildon's file dialog?) | 03:29 |
| AStorm | hmm, circular dependency probably | 03:30 |
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| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: how do I install flite? | 03:53 |
| zetheroo | anyone know how to install flite? | 03:55 |
| zetheroo | its not in the repos .... | 03:55 |
| zetheroo | anyone? | 03:57 |
| AStorm | it is in the repos | 04:03 |
| AStorm | but needs red pill | 04:03 |
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| zetheroo | red pill? | 04:10 |
| zetheroo | :-S | 04:10 |
| zetheroo | please explain AStorm | 04:11 |
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| zetheroo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/ | 04:18 |
| zetheroo | I am not understanding this | 04:18 |
| zetheroo | enter "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, click "Cancel". | 04:18 |
| zetheroo | I did that and nothing is different | 04:19 |
| GAN800 | apt-get install flite | 04:19 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, don't spread redpill <_< | 04:19 |
| zetheroo | why would I add something new only to cancel it? | 04:19 |
| AStorm | GAN800: ok then :) | 04:19 |
| AStorm | zetheroo: because it's top secret etc. | 04:20 |
| zetheroo | flite is not in the repos .... that is why he told me abotu redpill | 04:20 |
| AStorm | it is in the repos | 04:20 |
| AStorm | but you can't install it w/o admin rights (can't even see it) | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get is a lot safer than red pill | 04:20 |
| zetheroo | wow ... this is really where things are annoying... I keep going around in circles with this thing... and everyone has a different solution to the same thing.... | 04:21 |
| zetheroo | ;-) | 04:21 |
| zetheroo | I already tried apt-get .... but its not working either | 04:21 |
| zetheroo | and ... yes... I did it from root | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Add Chinook Extras to the catalog list | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | flite isn't in Diablo Extras yet. | 04:22 |
| zetheroo | this should not be this difficult! | 04:22 |
| zetheroo | what are the Chinook Extras and how do I add them? | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk gnuite into uploading flite to Diablo Extras. | 04:22 |
| zetheroo | why should anyone have to talk them into it? | 04:23 |
| zetheroo | its like a basic thing ... | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because, apparently, he hasn't done it on his own volition yet? | 04:23 |
| zetheroo | needed with any GPS | 04:23 |
| zetheroo | yeah | 04:23 |
| zetheroo | ok.... | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it's not. | 04:24 |
| zetheroo | so how do I add this repo? ... :) | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a voice synthesis program used by Maemo Mapper. | 04:24 |
| zetheroo | well... I have not seen anyone use GPS without voice | 04:24 |
| zetheroo | maybe there is another GPS program for Maemo which already has voices? and maybe even maps? | 04:25 |
| Mousey | i don't | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" | 04:25 |
| zetheroo | yeah ... and they are now charging for their services ... | 04:25 |
| zetheroo | which is great and all ... :) | 04:25 |
| zetheroo | except I was not flipped out with Map to begin with ... and then having to pay for it was a bit sucky ... | 04:26 |
| zetheroo | where can I find the repo settings to add? | 04:26 |
| zetheroo | Chinook Extras | 04:27 |
| zetheroo | are these the ones? | 04:28 |
| zetheroo | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 04:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably easier to just install the .deb from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/f/flite/ | 04:30 |
| AStorm | zetheroo: paying is not sucky, unless you are a freeloader or have no money :) | 04:31 |
| AStorm | or the service is crummy (it is in Poland) | 04:32 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what do you use for editing html? wordpad is a bit crap and im not used to having to write my own | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually vim | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or BBEdit | 04:35 |
| zetheroo | AStorm I don't mind paying for a program that I think is great ... but I did not think that of Map | 04:35 |
| zetheroo | and I am very strapped for cash as well ... :( | 04:36 |
| lcuk | thx gen, hmmm ill have to find something | 04:39 |
| lcuk | frontpage! | 04:39 |
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| * lcuk gives GeneralAntilles a heartattack | 04:39 | |
| lcuk | or should i do it in word? | 04:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles kills himself. | 04:39 | |
| lcuk | heh | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frontpage is actually pretty impressive. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | a 500-word HTML page is suddenly 1.9MB | 04:42 |
| Pavlov | heh | 04:42 |
| lcuk | what makes it even more impressive is a 1 word HTML page is still 1.3MB | 04:47 |
| lcuk | its like anti-compression | 04:47 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in one of those planning meetings. | 04:48 |
| lcuk | though i do believe in some later versions they did something and actually made it kinda work if the wind was in your direction and you actually wrote from scratch | 04:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Great, another goddamn repository. | 04:50 |
| lcuk | its like whack-a-mole | 04:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles finally decides to put tz down on his shit list. | 04:50 | |
| * lcuk hides his quickly | 04:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I officially hate that guy. | 04:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if it's too late to make fried chicken. | 04:52 | |
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| lcuk | did you get more mayo? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, but, thankfully, you don't need mayo for fried chicken. | 04:54 |
| lcuk | thats like saying you don't need bacon for an LT sandwich | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Southern fried chicken does not involve mayo. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fried chicken and gravy | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe some rice. | 04:55 |
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| Pavlov | man | 05:01 |
| Pavlov | i could go for some fried chicken | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only after Fennec is in Extras-devel. | 05:03 |
| Pavlov | heh | 05:03 |
| Pavlov | soon | 05:03 |
| Pavlov | i'll try to get something up there next week | 05:04 |
| Pavlov | need to figure out how to sign the changes with the right key | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 05:04 |
| infobot | hmm... uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harass X-Fade if you need help. | 05:04 |
| Pavlov | yeah, i've got the page open ;) | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and if you have any improvement suggestions for that wiki page, let us know. ;) | 05:05 |
| Pavlov | the other problem i need to sort out is that our build machines are all running centos | 05:05 |
| Pavlov | just need to get the dpkg stuff on them i guess | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any chance on a PPC build of the OS X release? | 05:07 |
| Pavlov | hrm | 05:07 |
| Pavlov | should be pretty straight forward... let me see if one of our mac guys can do it | 05:08 |
| Pavlov | i broke ssh on mine and haven't fixed it yet and won't be back at my desk for another week | 05:08 |
| zetheroo | now that I installed flite do I need to install voices? | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's one voice. | 05:08 |
| zetheroo | which one? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's known as Marvin on OS X. | 05:09 |
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| zetheroo | how do I activate him? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't. | 05:10 |
| zetheroo | I am hearing nothing in maemo-mapper | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works out of the box. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have voice synthesis turned on in settings? | 05:10 |
| zetheroo | in maemo-mapper settings? | 05:10 |
| zetheroo | yes | 05:10 |
| zetheroo | all I get though is the text box with instructions | 05:11 |
| zetheroo | any ideas? | 05:14 |
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| zetheroo | I have been at this GPS thing ... trying to sort it out ... for 3 days now ... Maybe its worth paying for Map afterall ... even though I really like maemo-mapper ... | 05:18 |
| lcuk | zetheroo, it really does depend on what your time is worth, map is integrated and complete | 05:19 |
| zetheroo | well ... if trying to get maemo-mapper and flite working was a bit more straight-forward that would be gr8 | 05:20 |
| zetheroo | but I have been having the run-around for 3 days now ... and nothing seem to be working like ppl say it does | 05:20 |
| lcuk | yeah i can see, i dont use either though | 05:20 |
| zetheroo | what do you use? | 05:20 |
| lcuk | i just like to have the default map showing current location in 3d, i haven't had a use that requires turn by turn routing yet | 05:21 |
| lcuk | tracytracy who sits next to me in the car can direct us | 05:21 |
| moontiger | zetheroo, i have map and mapper | 05:21 |
| moontiger | i use the built in map for driving directions | 05:22 |
| moontiger | otherwise i think mapper is fantastic | 05:22 |
| lcuk | maemo mapper has image based mapping which is amazing for exploring a city or lcoation on foot (from what i learnt the other day) but i prefer the clarity of a drawn map when driving | 05:23 |
| lcuk | hiya moontiger | 05:23 |
| zetheroo | lcuk ... so you use another program altogether? | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/drawn/vector/ | 05:23 |
| moontiger | hey lcuk :) | 05:24 |
| lcuk | no, "map" includes a 3d view | 05:24 |
| lcuk | but its vector based lines, not photographs | 05:24 |
| * lcuk likes vectors | 05:24 | |
| zetheroo | I see ... | 05:24 |
| moontiger | yah ... but mapper is so much nicer for walking like u say ... satelite view | 05:24 |
| moontiger | :) | 05:24 |
| zetheroo | does it have the map in the unit? ... or is it also downloading them? | 05:24 |
| lcuk | "map" has a map builtin for the whole of the uk (or whichever country i care to download) | 05:25 |
| lcuk | it includes pois and automatic speed camera warnings | 05:25 |
| lcuk | even without paying for it | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, the UK. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys crack me up. | 05:25 |
| lcuk | it can pinpoint destinations and since we aren't silly tracy can get me there | 05:26 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles you guys have it worse with more mobile speedgun type situations | 05:26 |
| zetheroo | lcuk ... so what does one need to pay for? | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's more fun playing the game. ;) | 05:27 |
| lcuk | routing | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I don't have cameras watching me walk around outside. :P | 05:27 |
| lcuk | "turn right in 50 metres" | 05:27 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles ... any idea why flite is not working here? | 05:27 |
| lcuk | "turn round" | 05:27 |
| lcuk | "turn round" | 05:27 |
| lcuk | "turn round" | 05:27 |
| lcuk | "turn round" | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, try restarting? | 05:27 |
| zetheroo | ok | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | We had a Garmin get really pissy at us when we missed a turn one time. | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Make a U-turn at your _earliest convenience_ (morons)" | 05:28 |
| lcuk | heh, we need to get people to make custom voices for the mapper | 05:28 |
| lcuk | "map :: northern edition" | 05:29 |
| zetheroo | how much is the lisence for Map? | 05:29 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but why dont you activate the trial | 05:30 |
| lcuk | its 7 days and lets you see if you want it | 05:30 |
| lcuk | you can at least then relax and try to sort out maemo-mapper and also have fun with the other one | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to get a bluetooth serial adapter | 05:31 |
| lcuk | you will feel better and either find you cant be arsed playin any more and pay out, or should have maemo-mapper sorted | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and also file a bug report on Carman corrupting tracks. . . . | 05:31 |
| lcuk | i cant decide about carman yet, it gets its info from the engine doesnt it | 05:32 |
| lcuk | or does it try to extrapolate rpm etc by monitoring your gps speed? | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ODBII | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and GPS | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 05:32 |
| lcuk | why not - its got acceleration data available and not everyone wants to tie in their car to their computer (it might not even be their car) | 05:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, is that a serious question? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | RPM from lat/long, altitude and speed? | 05:35 |
| zetheroo | freemap-il is not installing for me | 05:35 |
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| lcuk | well ive seen it with test data runnin randomly, why not give it speed + acceleration and let it simulate better | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fake the RPM data? | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | What would be the point? | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't know what gear you're in. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way they could even get in the ballpark. | 05:37 |
| lcuk | of course there is | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, there isn't. | 05:37 |
| lcuk | going from 0-20mph in 2 seconds == high rpm | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doing 20mph I can be in any of 5 gears. | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | What if I have a 500hp Corvette? | 05:38 |
| lcuk | staying at 20 mph for 2 seconds == mid | 05:38 |
| lcuk | its just a way of utilising whats there | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the point of faking data? | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | To what end? | 05:38 |
| lcuk | do you think qwertys dad will let him install hardware into the car? | 05:38 |
| lcuk | cos its a cool program | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not get Maemo Mapper to fake location if you don't have GPS? | 05:39 |
| lcuk | it doesnt have to be accurate for all purposes, but i can see someone wantign to key in data "bus mode" | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or OMWeather to make weather predictions based on internal temp? | 05:39 |
| lcuk | actually mapper does fake it | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off listening to the engine. | 05:40 |
| lcuk | it doesnt crash and say "no gps, not showing a map" it lets you see | 05:40 |
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| lcuk | yes, 100% agree, BETTER - but for the simulation mode it could just look at gps and try to do something | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waste of time and effort | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have them fix the track corruption bug. :| | 05:40 |
| lcuk | yes agreed, but i dont think its the same person/team working on both is it | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there's nobody with enough free time to implement something pointless like that without taking time away from something that actually matters. | 05:42 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles :) you forget i spend my life doing exactly that | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, we have so many bizarre arguments. | 05:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 05:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles suspects lcuk of being a troll in a past life. :P | 05:43 | |
| lcuk | im all for discussion, and rather have a rally with you that sit with a blank chan | 05:44 |
| lcuk | it helps me think, and most of the time your points are valid | 05:44 |
| zetheroo | Does Map have different voices to choose from? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/17/diyer-gets-crafty-with-plywood-laptop-case/ | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should start manufacturing and selling wooden tablet stands. | 05:45 |
| lcuk | ive got other things to worry about, but yeah - it suits this device | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the family involved. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | They gotta pull their own weight. | 05:46 |
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| lcuk | and how do i find a supplier for the space age, high tech rubber bands? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your asparagus isn't wrapped in them over there? | 05:46 |
| zetheroo | sorry to bust in your fun .... but do either of you know? | 05:47 |
| lcuk | zetheroo, im not sure, ive never activated her - but from the backend theres a load of voices | 05:47 |
| lcuk | i will only do it when i can have kitt | 05:47 |
| zetheroo | still no joy with flite ... | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | even after a restart | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | argh ... | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | is flite a program? ... does it have a GUI? | 05:50 |
| lcuk | dunno, im off to bed though, gnite GeneralAntilles , rest of chan. | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 05:50 |
| lcuk | zetheroo, as well | 05:50 |
| zetheroo | see ya | 05:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs a sensor bar for his Mac mini. | 05:56 | |
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| agebee | quick question. anyone know if a smartphone could be used as a keyboard? more specifically, a blackjack | 06:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | In theory, sure. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure the specifics. | 06:07 |
| agebee | Quite a but of tweaking I guess. | 06:08 |
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| agebee | bit, too | 06:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a VNC client? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or get the Blackjack to pretend to be a Bluetooth HID device. | 06:08 |
| agebee | That might be easier. | 06:09 |
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| agebee | I'm just quite surprised that there isn't much interest considering a lot of N800 users also have a smartphone. | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | More trouble than it's worth. | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The issue really isn't Nokia-side, anyway. | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's smartphone side | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there are lot of different kinds of smartphones. | 06:12 |
| agebee | a lot with windows mobile | 06:12 |
| agebee | common thread would likely get more people interested | 06:12 |
| agebee | My thing is that if I already have a keyboard smartphone, why pack a portable keyboard too? | 06:14 |
| agebee | I'm quite comfortable typing on it, but I guess that's just personal opinion. | 06:15 |
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| ds3 | what's the commandline to flash the diablo image from Linux? | 07:22 |
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| ds3 | n/m found it on itt | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 07:31 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, ^ | 07:31 |
| ds3 | what I found better be right cuz I am 50% into it ;) | 07:31 |
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| GAN800 | probably is, but worth bookmarking that one anyway. | 07:32 |
| ds3 | I am hoping I will never have to do this again... afterall, isn't that the point of diablo? | 07:32 |
| ds3 | ;) | 07:32 |
| GAN800 | Sure, but you never know | 07:33 |
| GAN800 | What if you get another tablet? | 07:33 |
| ds3 | I am hoping the next tablet I get will be a OMAP3 with video output | 07:34 |
| ds3 | nevertheless, location noted | 07:34 |
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| GAN800 | composite out on the 3.5mm jack on the N900 would make my day | 07:35 |
| ds3 | I'll settle for any connector! | 07:36 |
| GAN800 | hdmi video mirroring would be fun, too. | 07:37 |
| GAN800 | or maybe hdmi out at 1024x768 turning off the built in | 07:38 |
| ds3 | I want HDMI mirroring at 640x480 | 07:40 |
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| GAN800 | OMAP3 has a 1024x768 framebuffer and another 640x480, so no mirroring needed at that rez. ;) | 07:41 |
| ds3 | not sure how the maemo stuff will handle 2 displays so mirroring is the simpliest way | 07:42 |
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| GAN800 | True enough, but I don't think it would be too difficult to get it to play nice with two displays. | 07:43 |
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| ds3 | I just want it work with the PicoDLP projector | 07:43 |
| prak | what would you recommend using as note taking programs other than xournal? | 07:43 |
| prak | or is xournal probably the best or only product out there? | 07:43 |
| GAN800 | maemopad+ | 07:44 |
| GAN800 | liqbade | 07:44 |
| GAN800 | er, liqbase | 07:44 |
| GAN800 | ds3, did you see the shots of the new one for the Beagle? | 07:44 |
| ds3 | GAN800: that's the PicoDLP | 07:45 |
| GAN800 | ah | 07:45 |
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| prak | GAN800, thanks | 07:48 |
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| ds3 | something in diablo broq WEP :( | 08:46 |
| ds3 | and they didn't bother to include wireless tools @#$@$@#%#@$%@##@ | 08:46 |
| qwerty12 | 1. I'm using a connection with WEP fine. | 08:47 |
| qwerty12 | 2. You can get wireless-tools. lemme find it. | 08:47 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/ | 08:47 |
| ds3 | does it want the hex WEP key or ? | 08:47 |
| ds3 | chinook worked fine with the hex string (same as given to iwconfig key) | 08:47 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure you can use the ASCII one but I typed in the hex | 08:48 |
| ds3 | did it want the '-'s? | 08:48 |
| qwerty12 | No, just the numbers straight | 08:48 |
| ds3 | that's what i have and I have a Linux laptop next to it that works justfine | 08:48 |
| qwerty12 | hmm. Ever thought about using WPA? Besides from being more secure, it means you don't have to mess around with hex nonsense :P | 08:49 |
| ds3 | other legacy devices in the network prevents that | 08:49 |
| ds3 | but yes, that has been considered | 08:49 |
| qwerty12 | ah :/ | 08:49 |
| ds3 | what's irritating is I can't bring it back up to the same level I had a few hours ago before the flash | 08:50 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: happy birthday however old you are :P | 08:50 |
| ds3 | GRRR card reader doesn't like SDHC | 08:51 |
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| ds3 | package is claimed as incompatible @#R$@#%$%@$#%@ | 08:55 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg -i it | 08:55 |
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| peteblack | hey, does anyone know if there are any RX-48 images here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 08:59 |
| peteblack | thanks | 08:59 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, thanks :D | 09:13 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 09:13 |
| ds3 | think I found the problem... there is a bug with netmasks if DHCP is not used | 09:16 |
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| kleist | anybody from Berlin here? is there a shop there where the N810 is sold? | 09:20 |
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| louie_ | hello? | 09:25 |
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| johnx | hi | 09:29 |
| louie_ | i was wondering if anyone has heard of the flash player upgrade for the n810? | 09:30 |
| johnx | there isn't one | 09:31 |
| louie_ | too bad i really appreciate the device u a user? | 09:31 |
| johnx | yup | 09:33 |
| johnx | you mean flash 10, right? | 09:33 |
| Macer | anybody here use ldap? | 09:33 |
| Macer | i was just wondering what cn stood for in the conf | 09:33 |
| johnx | common name | 09:34 |
| louie_ | no i meant the nokia n810...but i use flash 10 under unbutu | 09:34 |
| Macer | so in the slapd.conf .. | 09:34 |
| Macer | rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=rancorous,dc=net" | 09:34 |
| Macer | what is that the common name of? would that be the equal of a login? | 09:35 |
| Macer | or would that be a host name? | 09:35 |
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| ds3 | are the network config (IP address, etc) still stored in gconf? | 09:36 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 09:36 |
| ds3 | know what's the path? poking in /system/osso/connectivity didn't seem to show anything | 09:37 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, looked in IAP? Ip settings are tied to a profile | 09:38 |
| ds3 | let me look again | 09:38 |
| johnx | louie_, flash 9 is the latest for n810. the n810 will probably never get flash 10 | 09:39 |
| ds3 | ah I see it | 09:39 |
| kleist | anybody from Berlin here? is there a shop there where the N810 is sold? | 09:39 |
| louie_ | johnx thanks | 09:39 |
| louie_ | leist i bought my n810 on amazon.com | 09:40 |
| louie_ | kleist...sorry | 09:40 |
| kleist | louie_: but i'm SOO impatient ;-) | 09:40 |
| zap | what is the new stuff' name which is supposed to replace DSP Gateway in the upcoming NIT? | 09:41 |
| louie_ | kleist i understand...but i live in st. louis, mo usa | 09:41 |
| kleist | louie_: or should i wait for the new maemo 5 device? | 09:41 |
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| GAN800 | zap, OpenMAX | 09:42 |
| ds3 | someone has got to have encountered this before | 09:42 |
| kleist | louie_: but that won't come until spring, eh? | 09:42 |
| kleist | louie_: s/until/before/ | 09:42 |
| louie_ | kleist i bieve so | 09:42 |
| kleist | :-( | 09:42 |
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| zap | GAN800: OpenMAX is ARM-side? | 09:43 |
| louie_ | well thanks to all i need to get my sleep....good night | 09:43 |
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| zap | I was meaning, DSP-side, I have read somewhere DSP gateway is going to be replaced by another "DSP something" | 09:44 |
| ds3 | is there a shell script that still gets runned whenever a network connection goes up? | 09:46 |
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| zap | ds3: /etc/network/if-up.d/ | 09:47 |
| zap | place your script there | 09:47 |
| johnx | zap, does that actually get run on the tablet? | 09:48 |
| ds3 | thanks... this bug is irritating | 09:48 |
| zap | johnx: given that the proxy is set from there, should be | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: don't think so. I don't think icd even uses if up | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, fair point actually | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | If that doesn't do it, dbus-scripts | 09:48 |
| johnx | ^what he said^ | 09:49 |
| zap | he said no, then yes | 09:49 |
| zap | and finally maybe | 09:49 |
| johnx | well if it doesn't work, then try dbus-scripts | 09:49 |
| ds3 | all I want is a proper netmask setting | 09:49 |
| zap | whats wrong with it? | 09:50 |
| zap | the netmask is fetched from dhcp | 09:50 |
| ds3 | it is ignored. I have a wireless network with static IP's | 09:50 |
| zap | you will want to set it up properly :) | 09:50 |
| ds3 | so like all the other versions, I tell it 10.x.x.x with a netmask 255.255.255.0 | 09:50 |
| ds3 | after an hour of suspecting all sorts of problems, a ifconfig shows it thinking it is using a 255.0.0.0 netmask @#%@#$@#$@ | 09:51 |
| zap | since you're using a non-standard netmask, the DHCP must tell the client about it | 09:51 |
| zap | does it? | 09:51 |
| ds3 | this is a static network, no DHCP | 09:52 |
| zap | um | 09:52 |
| zap | does NIT GUI allow specifying the static netmask? | 09:52 |
| ds3 | yes | 09:52 |
| zap | and its ignored? | 09:53 |
| ds3 | and I verified with gconftool-2 that it is as I set it | 09:53 |
| zap | aha | 09:53 |
| ds3 | and yes, it is ignored...hence the claim it is a bug! | 09:53 |
| zap | fill a bug report then :) | 09:53 |
| t_s_o | and pray it gets spotted... | 09:53 |
| zap | and make noise on mailing list :) | 09:53 |
| ds3 | my N800 is a production/daily use device; I need it working now. bugs can happen later | 09:53 |
| zap | sure, one does not affect other possibilities | 09:54 |
| ds3 | this upgrade to diablo is getting painful | 09:54 |
| t_s_o | while it was "silly" to watch it happen, i think i prefer the glib (or whatever) bug report flame war vs the black hole that is the maemo/nokia bridge... | 09:54 |
| zap | this used to work with chinook? | 09:54 |
| ds3 | yep | 09:55 |
| ds3 | OS2008 (chinook), OS2007, OS2006 (770) | 09:55 |
| ds3 | same network, works out of the box | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Goddamn icd2 | 09:55 |
| t_s_o | im tempted to say that your a bit young to be using such language, qwerty12 ;) | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: I've said worse, feel free to check the logs ;P | 09:56 |
| t_s_o | heh, i suspect i was a foul mouth to be around those years myself so... | 09:57 |
| t_s_o | i say its better to vent verbally the physically... | 09:57 |
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| jza | hi what file is the one that has all the users accounts | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | That reminds me, any idea why the tablet doesn't shadow passwords by default? | 09:59 |
| t_s_o | because its a device, not a server? | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | True. I just realised how stupid that sounded when there is only 2 users by default and a method to get root :) | 10:00 |
| t_s_o | and no listening daemons by default iirc... | 10:01 |
| t_s_o | heh, would have been fun if one could use kexec on the tablet :P | 10:02 |
| zap | qwerty12: s/and a method/and no method/ | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | zap: rd mode | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: yeah :D | 10:03 |
| zap | *by default* :) | 10:03 |
| qwerty12 | True, but it's there :) | 10:03 |
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| * qwerty12 goes and reads up on socket programming | 10:03 | |
| t_s_o | hmm, im tempted to try out that hibernation use of kexec at some point | 10:03 |
| johnx | jza, /etc/passwd | 10:04 |
| jza | johnx, thanks I fix it now | 10:05 |
| jza | I wanted to use bash by default instead of busy box | 10:05 |
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| * moontiger sneezes | 10:10 | |
| qwerty12 | Hello to you too :) | 10:10 |
| moontiger | heh sorry ... hi :) | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, hi | 10:11 |
| moontiger | is icd2 open ? | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, closed :/ | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | Same as icd1 | 10:12 |
| moontiger | great | 10:12 |
| * moontiger sighs | 10:12 | |
| moontiger | so guys... im moving back to europe very soon and i have a few questions | 10:13 |
| moontiger | are any of you in europe? | 10:13 |
| ds3 | yipee duct tape hack works | 10:13 |
| t_s_o | moontiger: im tempted to say yes, but then sometimes i feel that norway is neither here nor there :P | 10:14 |
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| moontiger | heh funny :) | 10:14 |
| * qwerty12 is in the UK | 10:14 | |
| moontiger | so whats the best cellphone company to go with? | 10:15 |
| ds3 | anyone except att | 10:15 |
| moontiger | att sucks donkey balls i hate them | 10:15 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: Contract? | 10:15 |
| moontiger | yes i guess ... is there a huge difference? | 10:15 |
| qwerty12 | I've never been on a contract, having no credit card. I top up :) | 10:16 |
| moontiger | so things i need to do are : send mms + sms and unlimited data | 10:16 |
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| moontiger | im looking at a nokia 6220 | 10:16 |
| moontiger | my blackjack wont connect to european 3g frequencies | 10:17 |
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| kleist | moontiger: i'm living in Berlin | 10:35 |
| kleist | moontiger: very content with O2 | 10:35 |
| moontiger | really? | 10:35 |
| moontiger | here we have unlimited data plans and such ... do you guys have that? | 10:35 |
| kleist | moontiger: sure | 10:35 |
| kleist | moontiger: which country are you going to? | 10:36 |
| moontiger | well im moving to spain | 10:37 |
| moontiger | madrid | 10:37 |
| moontiger | but i will be moving around | 10:37 |
| moontiger | and you guys dont pay for incoming calls right? | 10:37 |
| kleist | O2 is owned by the spanish Telefonica, so I guess there are similar flat rate data plans there | 10:38 |
| kleist | oh no | 10:38 |
| kleist | that's so stupid | 10:38 |
| moontiger | heh i know but u get used to it after a while | 10:39 |
| moontiger | so incoming calls are free? | 10:39 |
| kleist | of course | 10:39 |
| moontiger | so happy to be going back to civilization :) | 10:39 |
| kleist | unless you're abroad | 10:39 |
| moontiger | if im on the road i use skype or gizmo over wifi | 10:40 |
| kleist | here in germany, O2 has a flate rate data plan for 25 Euro/month | 10:40 |
| moontiger | perfect ... and i can bluetooth to my nokia n810 and use the connection for that too? | 10:40 |
| doc|home | here in Canada that won't get you 5mb of data | 10:40 |
| kleist | but there's a catch | 10:40 |
| moontiger | ? | 10:40 |
| kleist | no VOIP | 10:40 |
| doc|home | kleist: will they know? | 10:41 |
| moontiger | they block it at the packet level yes? | 10:41 |
| kleist | no idea | 10:41 |
| doc|home | over ssh? | 10:41 |
| moontiger | they do the same in south africa | 10:41 |
| moontiger | meh i can always find a coffee shop for free wifi for that | 10:41 |
| kleist | and after 10 GB/month, they trottle the speed to 64 kbps | 10:41 |
| moontiger | errrrrrrrrr wow well thats ok then | 10:42 |
| kleist | but 10 GB is much | 10:42 |
| moontiger | cos i cant imagine dnlding 10gb / month on my nokia or my fone | 10:42 |
| moontiger | is that 25 euros a month on contract? | 10:42 |
| kleist | well, i don't yet have an N810 | 10:43 |
| kleist | moontiger: yes | 10:43 |
| moontiger | and what does the voice part cost? | 10:43 |
| kleist | moontiger: http://o2online.de/nw/active/laptop/tarife/packl/index.html?nidx=1 | 10:43 |
| kleist | but it's in German | 10:43 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhh | 10:43 |
| moontiger | ich nich spraken deutch | 10:43 |
| kleist | there are so many plans | 10:43 |
| moontiger | as u can see | 10:43 |
| moontiger | :| | 10:43 |
| moontiger | well at least o2 is all over europe yes? | 10:45 |
| kleist | i'm paying a minimum of 5€/month, voice calls to fixed-line phones are 3 cents/min. | 10:45 |
| kleist | to cell phones 19c | 10:46 |
| moontiger | but of course incoming is free ... | 10:46 |
| * moontiger writes that down | 10:46 | |
| kleist | mmm | 10:46 |
| doc|home | of course? :) in north america it's not free :/ | 10:46 |
| moontiger | here in the land of the free they arent free | 10:46 |
| kleist | it's so stupid | 10:46 |
| mavhc | I didn't put any money on my payg phone for 999 days and they cut me off | 10:46 |
| moontiger | u pay incoming the same as outgoing | 10:46 |
| doc|home | stupid crtc and their lack of competition | 10:46 |
| kleist | how much, typically? | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | You pay for incoming calls? | 10:47 |
| doc|home | 30c min | 10:47 |
| moontiger | well i have a tmobile plan | 10:47 |
| kleist | gosh, thats gross | 10:47 |
| doc|home | yep | 10:47 |
| moontiger | i get 600 anytime mins and unlimited nights and weekends (after 9pm) | 10:47 |
| kleist | also for incoming voice mail? | 10:47 |
| moontiger | and that costs me $85 per month with *unlimited* data | 10:47 |
| * kleist needs a shop in Berlin which sells N810 | 10:48 | |
| moontiger | unlimited data isnt unlimited at all and there is not much 3g network here | 10:48 |
| moontiger | kleist, i got mine from amazon | 10:48 |
| kleist | 3g is in almost all cities here | 10:48 |
| * moontiger turns up the trance | 10:48 | |
| moontiger | wow really?? | 10:49 |
| moontiger | i so cant wait to leave here | 10:49 |
| kleist | "old europe" | 10:49 |
| moontiger | 6yrs has been too long | 10:49 |
| kleist | he he | 10:49 |
| kleist | so you're actually from Spain? | 10:49 |
| moontiger | english ... from london ... but i travel | 10:49 |
| kleist | the states have changed much lately, i'm afraid | 10:49 |
| moontiger | lived in cape town, chicago, new york, san francisco, madrid, milan and a few others | 10:50 |
| kleist | paranoia everywhere | 10:50 |
| moontiger | yes it sucks | 10:50 |
| * moontiger wants obama to win | 10:50 | |
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| doc|home | obama, mccain, no difference | 10:50 |
| moontiger | yes there is | 10:50 |
| doc|home | besides colour, which really is nothing to base an election off | 10:50 |
| jagernot | hello: how do i get the 2gb internal flash memory card? to be mounted inside n810? thanks | 10:50 |
| doc|home | nothing important | 10:50 |
| bef0rd | red red wine | 10:51 |
| moontiger | doc|home, i completely disagree | 10:51 |
| doc|home | neither are going to end the war on terror, neither have *any* clue about the economy | 10:51 |
| bef0rd | jagernot, it sould be mounted by default always | 10:51 |
| moontiger | but im way to tired to have that discussion now | 10:51 |
| doc|home | both voted for fisa, both voted for bailout. Screw them both. | 10:51 |
| jagernot | bef0rd: i dont see it at all :( | 10:51 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh well ur right there | 10:51 |
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| bef0rd | unless you plugit in on your computer | 10:51 |
| moontiger | then i agree with you | 10:51 |
| moontiger | nsa wiretap is outrageous ... bail out also | 10:52 |
| moontiger | plus may other thngs they both ok'd | 10:52 |
| doc|home | see, same on anything important | 10:52 |
| bef0rd | jagernot, is it a new device? | 10:52 |
| moontiger | yes | 10:52 |
| moontiger | apologies | 10:52 |
| jagernot | bef0rd: yes bought it yesterday | 10:52 |
| moontiger | thats why im leaving | 10:52 |
| moontiger | i had enough | 10:52 |
| doc|home | really, who gives a crap about abortion, or healthcare, it's not like the government can even afford to pay for healthcare any more than people | 10:52 |
| moontiger | right | 10:52 |
| moontiger | im sick of faith based pilitics | 10:53 |
| moontiger | politics too | 10:53 |
| doc|home | hehe | 10:53 |
| moontiger | anyways its late here and im tired | 10:53 |
| moontiger | off to bed for me | 10:53 |
| moontiger | thnx kleist :) | 10:53 |
| moontiger | night doc|home | 10:53 |
| kleist | have fun over here | 10:53 |
| doc|home | night moontiger | 10:53 |
| kleist | take care | 10:53 |
| moontiger | be in spain soon ... dec 1st i leave here | 10:54 |
| moontiger | :) | 10:54 |
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| jagernot | hello i got my n810 yesterday, i am trying to get the 2gb internal card show up in n810 itself. any ideas? thanks. | 11:01 |
| bef0rd | hey jagernot | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | do you have a computer near? | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | em | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | duh obviously you do | 11:04 |
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| bef0rd | does the internal card shows up when you plug the n810? | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | show* | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | the card should appear on the file manager as 'internal memory card' | 11:08 |
| bef0rd | if it's not appearing on the n810 nor the computer it could be a problem with the file system, you might need to repartition it | 11:09 |
| bef0rd | I would check for errors on /var/log/message | 11:09 |
| jagernot | well now i have another problem | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, should I compile against libncurses or libncursesw? | 11:10 |
| jagernot | my n810 wont power on :( | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | (for the tablet) | 11:10 |
| bef0rd | jagernot, is it on a reboot cycle, or not even turning on? | 11:10 |
| jagernot | i thought the battery has run out but i plug the charger and the charging light isnt coming up either :( | 11:13 |
| bef0rd | :/ | 11:16 |
| zap | qwerty12: libncursesw should be Unicode or something like that | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | zap: Ah, ok, thanks | 11:18 |
| zap | qwerty12: libncurses5 which is installed by default on tablet contains only libncurses.so | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | I'll stick to libncurses5 then, thanks | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | (Though, cfdisk is looking better with the one linked to libncursesw. Though that could be because that one is from util-linux-ng) | 11:19 |
| jagernot | my tablet wont turn on...what should i do.. :( | 11:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, I started one without full screen mode and the other with full screen. Ah well, cfdisk is ready to be uploaded to extras. | 11:21 |
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| qwerty12 | The coffee machine retaliates by spraying Stskeeps with coffee | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | heh, yeah.. those mornings | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: scary fact - powerlaunch/powered compiled with only 1-2 changes on deblet | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | didn't run yet though | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Nice, hehe. I'll probably switch to powerlaunch when all the bugs are ironed out | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | (the mpd pocket mode pwns) | 12:41 |
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| * qwerty12 finally got parted & cfdisk in diablo & chinook extras-devel. sfdisk haters, knock yourself out. I'll attempt work on "css-adblocking" | 13:04 | |
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| Stskeeps | woop | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | one less dependancy i guess | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: is it built in extras-devel yet? | 13:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: In extras, I guess you mean. No, I haven't promoted it yet. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | no, i meant extras-devel :P | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | but it is, just checked | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, of course :P. free stuff always goes to extras-devel first :) | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: works great | 13:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Cool, thanks | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll pull my cfdisk hack then | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | if you manage to enter roxterm too i'd be delighted ;) | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | K, I'll see what I can do. | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | you should really set up a donation paypal :P | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | I usually do stuff with stuff that other people have put out for free, it would be immoral taking money :) | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | oh, donations are for donations, not paying for your stuff ;) | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the main problem about maemo porting is the fact that gtkmm is significantly sized down and such isn't it? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | like, --enable-api-properties=no and such | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if there would be porting interest in having a mm with more properties => easier porting | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I wouldn't know tbh, I'm more of a straight compiler :/. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | Though it would be nice to have some newer libs :) | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | oh that's neat, parted takes commands on command line | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, thanks for the help on ITT, gonna try your solution :) | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: No problems, hope it works for you! I'm really liking the look of your program :) | 13:30 |
| zap | what is "DTX" in context of gstreamer DSP plugins? | 13:33 |
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| zap | "Use DTX and send CN frames" - how to understand? | 13:33 |
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| VDVsx | qwert | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | me? | 14:25 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, with your solution the system always ask for a passw | 14:25 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, if I do sudo bluemaemo in the x-terminal, the system ask for a passw | 14:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it shouldn't do because sudo allowed that program to run w/out a password. | 14:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | what about sudo /usr/sbin/bluemaemo or where it is? | 14:27 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, the same | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 14:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | did you run update-sudoers? | 14:28 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, yap I put this in postins and make a echo message to be sure that the script exec | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | is it in /etc/sudoers? :P | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, /etc/sudoers.d/ | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but is it in /etc/sudoers which is the result of update-sudoers? :P | 14:32 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ah ok | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, no, so the problem is in the update :D | 14:35 |
| * lcuk has a sore head :( | 14:38 | |
| * Stskeeps passes lcuk bacon | 14:38 | |
| * lcuk laughs then spreads the cold bacon strips across his forehead | 14:39 | |
| fnordianslip_ | lcuk: cooked or raw? | 14:39 |
| lcuk | well raw obviously, you wouldnt see me puttin cooked bacon on my head would you? | 14:40 |
| mavhc | no, that would be crazy | 14:40 |
| fnordianslip_ | thought so. BTW, can i change to a fixed width font in the liqbase reader? | 14:40 |
| lcuk | technially yes, but https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?func=detailtask&project_task_id=708&group_id=716&group_project_id=1319 says it all | 14:41 |
| fnordianslip_ | ah. tnx. | 14:41 |
| lcuk | background system works with it, and i used to have a command line param, but i hated that and no1 has asked for a couple of months (until you) | 14:42 |
| fnordianslip_ | hm.. it doesn't actually say very much. just like reading RFCs in it, but the ASCII images are wonky | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | ok, put a line of the itt thread or just say there "i want font selection to include fixed width fonts" | 14:43 |
| fnordianslip_ | still, liqbase is very, very cool, so I can live with it | 14:44 |
| fnordianslip_ | will do. | 14:44 |
| lcuk | this morning i probably wont remember too much, ive got a throbbin headache and feel dire | 14:44 |
| fnordianslip_ | well done. that's the way saturdays should be. | 14:44 |
| lcuk | different reason thou, i could cope with a hangover, this is migraine | 14:45 |
| fnordianslip_ | bummer | 14:45 |
| lcuk | m mmm | 14:45 |
| lcuk | i just entered some nokia innovator competition, they said it was open for all kinds of apps and platforms, but they rejected my .deb \@/ | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 14:46 |
| lcuk | i uploaded a file called "empty_file.py | 14:46 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, Stskeeps , thanks for the help, it works now :) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | this was the reko thing or something from openmoko? | 14:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yap | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good, looking forward to seeign it | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | VDVsx, cool, i'm patiently waiting for the deb :) | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, to show your hate, upload my http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/nokia_suck_dick_with_their_legal_bullshit.png :p | 14:48 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N800, probably I will release it in a few hours, have to finish a profile yet :) | 14:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | VDVsx, Cool! Thanks :) | 14:49 |
| * qwerty12_N800 prepares bluetooth connection to brother's laptop *g* | 14:49 | |
| Stskeeps | "this is your computer speaking. give your charger to qwerty12." | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, is this your very cool app remote control app thingy | 14:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, lol, probably a few weeks ago :p | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqremote_tiny.JPG <<< my very first maemo app (written in python) | 14:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice, what was it intended for? | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | i use it whenever we are watchin tv | 14:52 |
| lcuk | it drives me batty though, cos its bright white and awful | 14:52 |
| lcuk | it needs liqbase theming | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 14:53 |
| lcuk | but it works.. | 14:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yap, lol | 14:53 |
| lcuk | it talks via tcp to a VISUAL BASIC server sitting on my desktop | 14:53 |
| lcuk | which does highly complex sendkeys upon command and makes mplayer work as expected | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, does yours operate via bt alone, or could it replace that ^ | 14:57 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, all the operations are BT based, because it use the BT profile for bluetooth keyboards and mouses, you want to change BT for other communication,like wifi ? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | ahhhh ok | 15:00 |
| lcuk | that would still work i assume | 15:00 |
| lcuk | the windows machine i have hear doesnt have bt though | 15:00 |
| zap | bright white actually takes less power on LCD | 15:00 |
| lcuk | but it hurts your eyes | 15:00 |
| zap | black screen on LCD draws more energy | 15:00 |
| lcuk | so? | 15:01 |
| zap | who cares about eyes, when we talk about battery | 15:01 |
| lcuk | purely asthetic | 15:01 |
| zap | then use a nice canola-like theme ;) | 15:01 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, it only work with BT, a BT usb cost around 10 € :D | 15:01 |
| zap | or that new SVG-based thingy some guy posted on maemo-devel | 15:01 |
| lcuk | mmmm zap, canola isnt as fast as liqbase :) | 15:01 |
| zap | that SVG-based GUI is python-based | 15:02 |
| zap | right what you need :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | yeah i know what it is | 15:02 |
| lcuk | but svg is heavy | 15:02 |
| lcuk | and slow | 15:02 |
| lcuk | we spoke at the summit and have done since | 15:02 |
| * Stskeeps wonders where his stylus went | 15:03 | |
| lcuk | its a very interesting thing :) and it will continue to evolve | 15:03 |
| zap | it would be fast if SVG would be hw accelerating :) | 15:03 |
| zap | *accelerated | 15:03 |
| zap | yes, I liked the demo | 15:03 |
| lcuk | zap, my vectors are already perfectly fast enough and i can do anything i want with them | 15:03 |
| lcuk | and i can say the same about png and jpeg | 15:03 |
| zap | well, I mean polygons not vectors | 15:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, read the top few lines of this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-02-29.log.html | 15:04 |
| zap | svg is full of polygons and that kind of shit... and they aren't even single-color (most of the time) | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe.. just found mine again. even though i think my missus has mine in her car somewhere | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | the other one | 15:05 |
| lcuk | lol tracy took my 810 out ONCE in the car with her, and she lost the fluffin case on that day | 15:05 |
| zap | that SVG GUI has the potential to compete with Adobe Flash | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | zap, of course it does, theres many potential killers out there for lots of things - but just because someone uses svg to make widgets doesnt mean its gonna replace flash - theres a LOT more to actionscript than just drawing | 15:07 |
| lcuk | for flash replacements, wouldnt microsofts' silverlight be closer | 15:07 |
| inz | lcuk, I tend not to call the people I love "cow" | 15:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:08 |
| lcuk | and i tend not to call her that often either, and certainly never to her face :D :P | 15:09 |
| zap | SVG can contain javascript inside | 15:09 |
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| zap | but javascript sucks | 15:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 could imagine lcuk getting slapped if he did :p | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | heh | 15:10 |
| lcuk | aim off havin a shower anyway, back later | 15:10 |
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| * inz ponders how a cow can slap, with it's tail? | 15:12 | |
| fnordianslip_ | the bacon will come off | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 15:13 |
| zap | or butter | 15:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:19 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip_, your font thing, thx for posting there | 15:19 |
| lcuk | one thing, what about line wrapping | 15:19 |
| lcuk | look on the very first video, i show kinetic text - it uses fixed width font and doesnt wrap line | 15:20 |
| lcuk | is that what you expect | 15:20 |
| fnordianslip_ | no probs. thanks for considering it. the RFCs are pretty well formatted, and the zoom in/out works nicely | 15:20 |
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| fnordianslip_ | lcuk: ok. i see you scrolling through code in the video. that's why i like 80 char limits on code lines ;-) the RFCs have some tight guidelines on text formatting, and some even have state machine diagrams in ASCII. All should be well, at least for my purpose. | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | zap: I have just heard from quite a high level guy at work that JavaScript is the future! | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Apparently, a shitload of JavaScript books is being bought and very soon all the software will be programmed in javaScript | 15:26 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip_, ok, ill try to find an intuitive way to let you have your cake | 15:26 |
| fnordianslip_ | bacon cake? | 15:27 |
| lcuk | well RST38h there was a lot of news recently about javascript optimizations and serious boosts | 15:27 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmmmmmm | 15:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yea, right =) | 15:27 |
| lcuk | the bacon didn't come off my head in the shower cos i use fixodent | 15:28 |
| * RST38h remembers the same being said about Java, btw | 15:28 | |
| RST38h | "Mighty Java JIT will save us!" | 15:28 |
| RST38h | "And you do not need to allocate any memory - language and its garbgage collector will take care of you!" | 15:28 |
| lcuk | is it possible for flies to emerge from a new sealed packet of tobacco? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | (or, if they don't, operating system will by issuing a SIGKILL ;)) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: that's from the gum in your hair after the heavy drinking yesterday | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yes, if their parents laid eggs there. Happy? ;) | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: .. it's called flavour | 15:29 |
| kpel | lcuk: only if they were packed with the tobacco or if the pack wasn't properly sealed :) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | it was sealed properly | 15:29 |
| RST38h | They laid eggs before the tobacco was collected | 15:30 |
| * qwerty12_N800 misread flies as files >, | 15:30 | |
| lcuk | but i opened it about 36h ago and just opened it again and one flew out | 15:30 |
| lcuk | bit odd.. | 15:30 |
| kpel | flies like their nicotine too | 15:30 |
| lcuk | ive seen it a couple of times with this baccy | 15:30 |
| * lcuk changes brand | 15:30 | |
| kpel | wise move | 15:31 |
| lcuk | BBQ flies | 15:31 |
| inz | lcuk, better quit completely | 15:31 |
| inz | lcuk, you'll code more aggressively for a couple of months or so | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | and rage on wife and kids, too | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:31 |
| kpel | you will put on some weight too. | 15:32 |
| kpel | but it's all for your good | 15:32 |
| inz | lcuk, slaughtering bugs is more fun than just fixing, right? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | hell no, i would get through about half a rage (like in star wars when Han chases storm troopers down corridor) then be pushed back by tracy. you would see me runnin like forrest gump! | 15:32 |
| kpel | it's not that bad. the first week is hell, then it becomes more manageable. | 15:33 |
| inz | "Stop, Gary, stoooooppppppp!" | 15:33 |
| lcuk | inz, nahhh i prefer to try not to include bugs in my packaging | 15:33 |
| RST38h | How about breeding them in there? | 15:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, if i uninstall bash2 (to replace it with your bash3), will the shell be set back to busybox's ash? | 15:37 |
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| * RST38h finally made goddamn piece of MIPS assembly compile BTW | 15:37 | |
| RST38h | Still ends up with a core dump but we are working on it =) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: how high is your % of curses vs code for the MIPS stuff now? :P | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/d/dbus/libdbus-1-3_1.0.2-0osso14_armel.deb 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80.67.86.16 80] | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | oh come on nokia | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | They don't like you :p | 15:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wgetted it fine | 15:42 | |
| t_s_o | hmm, i kinda recall there being a home applet able to show the internal temperature of the tablet, anyone know if its still around? | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | omweather | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | khertan had one too | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | .. internal? | 15:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 also made conky display it too | 15:43 | |
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| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: omweather is kinda bulky for that simple use, and dont allow me to strip away all the rest... | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: 1/10 | 15:43 |
| RST38h | but, again, working on it | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: OMAP2 has an thermoresistor inside | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, homeinternaltemp, should be in extras | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:44 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: i dont see it in app manager... | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | grr, chinook extras then :/ | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with a 770 who had the "No connections availiable" problem? | 15:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/h/homeinternaltemp/homeinternaltemp-0.0.6-1_armel.deb | 15:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i've had it on n800 when initfs was mismatched | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | mm, this is a entire reflash though | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | was g_ether part of a standard initfs or how was it? | 15:49 |
| dim0xff | hey everyone! | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, part of initfs | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Another bunch of idiots: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/18/0352235&from=rss | 15:50 |
| dim0xff | who can help me to install maemo sdk? I've gotten errors what I can't understand :( | 15:50 |
| * RST38h asks the great Cthulhu to kill off all the busybodies trumpeting virtual machines | 15:50 | |
| dim0xff | nobody? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | dim0xff: i have odd problems myself making it work too but i'm starting to suspect it's cos i'm apt-getting with amazing speeds | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | and akamai just filters me | 15:53 |
| dim0xff | amazing speed? too fast or too slow? :)) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | too fast | 15:53 |
| lcuk | RST38h, nothin technically wrong with virtual machines, however they work best on big iron to allow scaling on demand | 15:54 |
| * lcuk hits vmware with a big stick | 15:54 | |
| dim0xff | my connection's speed is little slowly =) | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | 133mb in 30 secs :P | 15:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Aside from not having a point | 15:56 |
| dim0xff | I have a problem with awk.... "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" may be anyone has gotten the same error?.... | 15:56 |
| ccooke | Actually, virtual machines are an absolute godsend in many uses. Less so in others, of course - like any technology, they're good for somethings. | 15:56 |
| dim0xff | Stskeeps, I want it!! :)) I have just 256kbps | 15:56 |
| ccooke | However, the article RST38h quoted looks seriously dubious :-) | 15:57 |
| ccooke | dim0xff: hmm. Did you use a regex with a grouping construct in it? | 15:57 |
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| dim0xff | I just install sdk... "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev" | 15:58 |
| ccooke | ah. | 15:58 |
| ccooke | Sounds like an awk script that's broken, then - probably something about your particular install it wasn't written to cope with | 15:58 |
| dim0xff | but this error in postinstall script: "df -k /dev/shm | tail -1 | awk '{if ( ~ /%/) { print } else { print } }'" | 15:59 |
| dim0xff | package osso-af-startup_1.66-5_all.deb | 16:03 |
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| dim0xff | in postinst script after the comment # Check for available space if we are using devshm | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | ccooke: I can think if no situation where virtual machines are useful nowadays | 16:06 |
| RST38h | except as means to secure funding of course | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: Singularity | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | (OS) | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Singularity (noun) - An euphemism for vagina. | 16:07 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Okay. Being careful here... are you defining a VM as something like a virtual server, say, or something like the JVM? | 16:08 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Unfortunately both have the same name :-) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Funnily, neither is of any use | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Virtual servers basically solve the Very Important Problem of running multiple copies of IIS on the same machine | 16:08 |
| RST38h | This Problem is much better solved by moving from Windows to Unix and running multiple copies of Apache | 16:09 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Out of interest, what real-world experience do you have to make this claim? | 16:09 |
| RST38h | ccooke: How can you have experience to back a claim that something is of no use? | 16:09 |
| RST38h | It is a negative statement (like "there is no God") not a positive one | 16:10 |
| ccooke | RST38h: easily! | 16:10 |
| ccooke | RST38h: you can have tried it in real-world environments and be able to say - for each use you tried it - that there was a much better solution. | 16:10 |
| ccooke | and, if people agree with you, then you will have proven your point. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Ok, for each use of a VM I have seen so far, there was a better solution. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Here you go :) | 16:11 |
| ccooke | RST38h: and what were those uses? :-) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | ccooke: running multiple web servers on the same hardware | 16:11 |
| ccooke | Yes, that is a useless use of VMs if that's your reason to use them | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Do show me some other reason | 16:12 |
| Veggen | RST38h: What if those VMs need a different default route? ;) | 16:12 |
| ccooke | it's inefficient, for a start, since a better web server will not require another full copy of the OS :-) | 16:12 |
| RST38h | [please avoid "running Windows in MacOS" :)] | 16:12 |
| Veggen | (I've had that need) | 16:12 |
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| ccooke | RST38h: I don't personally do that, but it *is* a use and it *is* useful. And there is no alternate solution. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Veggen: not a big deal, you can configure Unix servers to listen on different interfaces | 16:13 |
| ccooke | (cider is not usable enough and likely never will be) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | ccooke: No alternate solution for WHAT? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | is there some alternate name for repository.maemo.org that doesn't use akamai? | 16:13 |
| ccooke | Veggen: On linux, look up iproute2. It's a lovely thing - you can have multiple named routing tables, selecting which one applies by a set of rules with all the power of a stateful firewall. | 16:14 |
| ccooke | RST38h: you said to avoid running windows on OSX. I pointed out that it's a use and avoiding it is an admission that VMs *have* a use ;-) | 16:14 |
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| Veggen | ccooke: I know. But two virtual machines with different default route solved my problem on Solaris. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Ah, that one...The better solution is to have two computers. | 16:15 |
| RST38h | ccooke: You can VNC from Apple to Windows if you want to. | 16:15 |
| Veggen | Another thing: Easy failover for single-point-of-failure-boxes. | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | Veggen: You are not serious, are you? :) | 16:15 |
| ccooke | RST38h: That's much bulkier. Most of the people who do that, do it on a laptop. | 16:15 |
| Veggen | and...easier server migration. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | I mean, you are running multiple VMs on the SAME box. If it dies...well... :) | 16:16 |
| ccooke | RST38h: carrying around two laptops isn't really viable. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Keep the one you do not use often at home and connect remotely. | 16:16 |
| Veggen | RST38h: I have a VM that'll move to another box if the first box dies? | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Veggen: If you first box dies, VM dies with it | 16:16 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Then your "two computer" solution breaks down: VMs allow you to do access both *everywhere* | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Veggen: Unless your VM has magical properties of course | 16:17 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Well, for me everywhere is where network access is | 16:17 |
| RST38h | ccooke: It has been this way since around 1996, too. | 16:17 |
| ccooke | RST38h: That's all very well, but not everyone is you. What's more, many applications people use will not run well over a remote link. | 16:17 |
| Veggen | RST38h: Sure, but some tasks one can survive downtime for a minute or two.. | 16:17 |
| ccooke | RST38h: I'd hate to try video editing over a long-distance rdesktop link! | 16:18 |
| Veggen | RST38h: And there's even systems where it's not supported to run several of them simultaneously. | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Veggen: In this case, I can just start a backup box and I am done | 16:19 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Now, the use of VMs I actually *do* work with - professionally - is server farms. | 16:19 |
| Veggen | RST38h: btw, virtualization also simplifies server migration/upgrades. Even on single-purpose-boxes, we prefer virtualization for that reason alone. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Veggen: ""not supported to run | 16:19 |
| RST38h | +several of them simultaneously" - here you come to the IIS issue :) | 16:19 |
| RST38h | So, pretty much the only purpose of a VM is to run multiple copies of IIS because Unix stuff does not care how many copies you run (especially in chroot) | 16:20 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Many of the servers I deal with don't need a full CPUs worht of power but - for security, management, legal or other reasons - must run on physically separate hardware and (often) networks. | 16:20 |
| Veggen | RST38h: I meant in a more complex system. For example database-type things. (sure, can do RAC and clustered DBs and stuff, but you get my meaning) | 16:20 |
| ccooke | RST38h: It saves a vast amount of power and money to have every server as a VM. | 16:20 |
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| Veggen | RST38h: At my place, "I can just start a new backup box" just doesn't cut it ;) | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Veggen: I don't, you can pretty much run multiple db clients on the same cmachine | 16:21 |
| RST38h | And running multiple db servers on the same machine is going to turn it into maemo.org | 16:22 |
| ccooke | for instance - at my current employer, we have a large and complex web-based application that requires seven different kinds of server. Most run linux, but some (due to historical reasons) have to be Windows. There's a console app, too, which has a point-and-click windows interface. | 16:22 |
| Veggen | RST38h: ugh. I now meant in more complex environments. | 16:22 |
| ccooke | We've moved it all into VMs and dropped the power requirement by 60%. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Any client who wants security will ask for a separate box | 16:22 |
| RST38h | ccooke: The rest can run inside chrooted environments | 16:22 |
| ccooke | RST38h: No. | 16:22 |
| ccooke | RST38h: that is not how it works. | 16:23 |
| ccooke | RST38h: chroot is not secure. | 16:23 |
| Veggen | RST38h: For example the system will only allow one of that kind of DB to run, you can't make redundant pair. So you set up failover-clusters to minimize downtime. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | If you are telling customers they are getting their own machines and run them inside VMs, you are cheating customers | 16:23 |
| ccooke | RST38h: and it's not always clients who want security | 16:23 |
| macoute_ | chroot is far from secure :) | 16:23 |
| Veggen | and no, I didn't mean that the OS doesn't allow it, I meant that the larger system that the DB is part of doesn't allow it. | 16:23 |
| ccooke | RST38h: we don't allow customers to run their own servers on our systems, for a start | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Veggen: Two machines. Otherwise, if your machine fails, it takes both VMs | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/T5Maqi16.html <- this is one of the best comments for a maemo bug | 16:24 |
| Veggen | RST38h: sure, two machines. | 16:24 |
| macoute_ | RST38h: most server farms nowadays are vm:s, due to easier management | 16:24 |
| ccooke | RST38h: not all security is applied by clients, you know. Sometimes, companies want to secure their *own* systems. | 16:24 |
| macoute_ | although they claim to be true servers | 16:24 |
| ccooke | Veggen: three as a minimum, I'd usually say :-) | 16:24 |
| Veggen | RST38h: But we migrate the full VM instead of just the application on failover. | 16:24 |
| Veggen | *much* simpler :) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | ccooke: If you are the one applying security, you will be managing the boxes | 16:24 |
| RST38h | No need for VMs - it is unrtelated | 16:25 |
| RST38h | All right, have to go do some chores | 16:25 |
| Veggen | RST38h: oh, one can always manage without, but it makes a lot of things simpler. | 16:25 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Different VMs running on the same hypervisor are as good as physically separate | 16:25 |
| ccooke | RST38h: We run three levels of security. Levels one and two are fine with VMs on the same host, level 3 requires the VMs to be in different host clusters. | 16:26 |
| ccooke | That's good practice. | 16:26 |
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| kebomix | Free programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | kebomix: you should probably be aware that this is a publically logged channel so if you don't want attention by copyright people, this probably isn't the place :) | 16:43 |
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| * lcuk goes and reads a deadtree book | 16:57 | |
| lcuk | before i do, who has a jaiku account, and how do i get one | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | oh shit! i fail at being human | 17:03 |
| lcuk | i can't seem to pass a turing test :( | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | too much beer? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | i've once been so hungover i forgot how to code | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | had no idea what to type and what it said on screen | 17:03 |
| lcuk | no, twitter captcha is unreadable | 17:04 |
| lcuk | ive tried about 30 and they all remain crappy | 17:04 |
| macoute_ | i once forgot my password (which i use ~everywhere with slight modifications) for 2 days | 17:04 |
| lcuk | only 2 days? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | that does sound more like drink induced memory lapse ;) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | you should use liqbase instead of your unreliable brain | 17:05 |
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| * lcuk forgets most things unless ive written them down | 17:06 | |
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| macoute_ | lcuk: it seems a pretty ok app | 17:16 |
| macoute_ | though it crashes all the time :) | 17:16 |
| lopz | hola | 17:17 |
| macoute_ | lcuk: i get TTF error while opening font | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | send me the log please | 17:20 |
| macoute_ | oki | 17:21 |
| macoute_ | thats an log from "read a book" | 17:22 |
| lcuk | where have you sent it? | 17:25 |
| macoute_ | wait a sec | 17:26 |
| macoute_ | i have some problems sending it :) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt actually have a problem with anything - especially if you managed to get far enough in to read a book (same font, only difference is size..), if it was a missing font ttf problem it should bail right at the start | 17:27 |
| macoute_ | i dont even get to open a book | 17:28 |
| macoute_ | it crashes right after choosing Read a book | 17:28 |
| macoute_ | claws cant send a message... | 17:28 |
| macoute_ | lets try with modest, then :) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:29 |
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| macoute_ | ok | 17:32 |
| macoute_ | i didnt know that my smtp-port is blocked here | 17:32 |
| macoute_ | now it went away (maybe even twice) | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | macoute_, ahhhh you are running the oldest playtest binary arent u | 17:35 |
| lcuk | or something similar | 17:35 |
| macoute_ | lcuk: the only i got from your webisite? | 17:35 |
| lcuk | get the latest .deb from http://liqbase.net/ | 17:35 |
| macoute_ | oh, ok :) | 17:35 |
| macoute_ | thanks | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | the menus you have are all the flat colored ones arent they | 17:35 |
| lcuk | i think i need to cleanup where all the links go, i didnt realise the old stuff was still available so cleanly | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | hiya mek | 17:36 |
| Mek | hi lcuk | 17:36 |
| cars__ | Hi | 17:37 |
| cars__ | I'm still having trouble connecting a USB keyboard to the N810 in Diablo. It worked fine in Chinook,so I know the cables are good, but I can't get the old usb control program to install - it says it's incompatible. My laptop's down and I really need to type a paper. | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | macoute_, is that version any better for you? | 17:45 |
| lcuk | and thanks for reminding me to cleanup the files | 17:45 |
| cars__ | I can't practicality use the built- in keyboard as it took me three minutes to type that small paragraph above. Any help would be appreciated. :) | 17:46 |
| lcuk | cars__, i havent tried usb keyboard since an initial investigation | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cars__, as root: echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i believe you can setup the usb host mode with just an echo command, but not sure on specifics | 17:46 |
| lcuk | ^^^ | 17:46 |
| lcuk | right on cue qwerty12_N800 :D | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 17:47 |
| cars__ | thanks very much, qwerty12_N800 :) And to get it back so I could connect it to the computer? | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | echo otg > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode :) | 17:48 |
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| EgS | is there a arora package somewhere? (the browser based on Qt webkit) | 17:50 |
| macoute_ | lcuk: yah, that one is surely working and looking good | 17:53 |
| lcuk | thought it was a bit odd :) | 17:53 |
| macoute_ | buthow do you do notes? by drawing only? | 17:53 |
| cars__ | Thanks again, qwerty12_N800 :) | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No problems :) | 17:53 |
| macoute_ | and is there a pdf-support for books? | 17:53 |
| lcuk | yes, its a touch screen :) | 17:53 |
| cars__ | there is. | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | no macoute_ txt only for now, it suits my personal requirements and ive got so many other things to do i cant invest time to become a pdf wiz (like many other things). (replace pdf with many of the other things I've done as proof of concept for now).. | 17:55 |
| lcuk | i would love to expand on everything, but its a fulltime job for a whole team of people let alone little old me | 17:56 |
| * lcuk accepts patches | 17:57 | |
| macoute_ | yeah. i think that app should get some more devs to really make it "ready" as it seems to be a really good app. and fast, too | 17:57 |
| lcuk | its ready for now, what i wanted to show was the core concepts of a usable touchscreen device. i think yesterday and today are the first days ive not actually opened a code window | 17:58 |
| macoute_ | yeah, the touchscreen functionality is something that nokia should see themselves as its working better than the original ;) | 17:58 |
| macoute_ | (eg. the multitouch) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | i will be pushing it to extras in a few days as soon as im happy theres no serious glitches and then try to find a way to get more help and time to develop it all further | 17:59 |
| macoute_ | yeah. pdf (or other) support would be great. maybe the authors of fbreader could help? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | i certainly think im on the right track with everything in it, as I said in the videos, im happy with it so far. | 18:00 |
| macoute_ | you should be | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | macoute_, fbreader handles a lot of other things and i would certainly like to bring fbreaders knowledge and skills into it | 18:00 |
| macoute_ | but of course, more functionality would be great | 18:00 |
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| macoute_ | lcuk: have you been in touch with them | 18:00 |
| lcuk | im still not sure that liqbase itself can handle everything required for fbreader, but its worth looking | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does flasher overwrite CAL? | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Not the linux one to my knowledge but the windows one does | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:01 |
| lcuk | macoute_, not formally and to be honest i dont know how to start, but at this time its still very much a work in progress | 18:01 |
| macoute_ | http://www.fbreader.org/ :O | 18:02 |
| cars__ | That's an awesome program, macoute_ . | 18:02 |
| lcuk | oh no | 18:03 |
| lcuk | fbreader.org has been hacked :P | 18:03 |
| lcuk | :O | 18:03 |
| cars__ | Oh no! | 18:03 |
| lcuk | bastards | 18:03 |
| macoute_ | though the site does work | 18:03 |
| macoute_ | only the frontpage doesnt | 18:03 |
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| macoute_ | http://www.fbreader.org/about.php for example | 18:03 |
| lcuk | macoute_, yeah i know where they are, look here http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=98 | 18:04 |
| lcuk | read my comment at the end | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | theres a lot more to do - fbreader is a generic multiplatform app with users from lots of places, our platform isnt that big | 18:04 |
| lcuk | i cannot just assume that i know everything and can put it in place, i think someone from our community could look at integrating and then if it works suggest a patch to both ends | 18:05 |
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| whodat | hrmph.. i can do ¥ ^ € £ on this keyboard but no pgup pgd tab esc... very odd | 18:05 |
| lcuk | macoute_, believe me, ive thought long and hard about it, and something will come with time :) | 18:06 |
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| macoute_ | lcuk: yeah. i too think that this is something that should get a higher priority | 18:08 |
| macoute_ | and one man isnt enough, i think :) | 18:08 |
| lcuk | yeah :) give it time | 18:08 |
| lcuk | i see enough cogs turning to know im on the right track | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Nearly finished with roxterm, I just need to tweak the package a bit before I upload | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sounds good | 18:12 |
| cars__ | whodat, which keyboard is that? The built-in one? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | then it's only zenity left, and then deblet installer and bootmenu :P | 18:14 |
| whodat | yah | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | but i shouldn't upload bootmenu without fanoush's approval | 18:14 |
| cars__ | whodat, I *think* you might be able to use a keymapping utility to change the function of that. I think I read it somewhere. | 18:15 |
| macoute_ | Stskeeps: they arent GPL? | 18:15 |
| macoute_ | i cant see license over there | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart fucking nautilus | 18:15 |
| * infobot beats fucking nautilus into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy | 18:15 | |
| lcuk | heh qwerty12 you wouldn't have this problem with windows explorer :D | 18:16 |
| cars__ | whodat, I know that at least one of the keys that should exist, Tab, is available through the Chr button. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | macoute_: there's also something called social behaviour | 18:16 |
| whodat | cars__ : that would be cool! will have to look into that. | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Dunno about that, I once installed some dodgy shell extensions that made explorer crash when I right clicked :P. | 18:17 |
| lcuk | dodgy shell extensions? you mean you upgradedto vista? | 18:17 |
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| qwerty12 | nah, all this was in xp :p | 18:17 |
| macoute_ | Stskeeps: surely, but license is a license, isnt it? if you publish something as GPL, you give others the right to do everything GPL allows. | 18:17 |
| macoute_ | but as i said, i cant see the license | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | macoute_, have you noticed i put the license directly inside liqbase as a viewable option :) | 18:18 |
| cars__ | whodat, I know there's a utility on desktop distros that allows you to change things. It might be xmodmap. | 18:18 |
| macoute_ | lcuk: yeah, i noticed and value that :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | macoute_: yeah, but taking someone who's a big player in maemo hacks's software from a devel branch and put it in maemo repository is kinda bad form without involving him :) | 18:18 |
| lcuk | that part i agree with - especially if its in progress | 18:19 |
| macoute_ | Stskeeps: i actually disagree, though of course informing him is a must. | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Well, I'm happy now :). I removed extra unneeded debian crud. That must be why I repacked last time :). I'll just shove an Maemo-Icon-26 on it and upload | 18:19 |
| macoute_ | as i can for sure put his app (IF its gpl) to my site too. | 18:20 |
| lcuk | technically its not a must, its just not the done thing, im glad people have respected my wish so far not to push a package to extras until im ready | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | macoute_: yes, ofcourse, license allows it but social consequences :) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | especially if people start using it actively, it's suddenly out of his hands | 18:21 |
| macoute_ | Stskeeps: there could be problems with that of course, but actually, if he publishes under some copyleft (or alike) he actually permits it already | 18:21 |
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| macoute_ | but you are correct of course that without his permission it could cause some problems | 18:21 |
| lcuk | software takes time to bake and whipping things from key chefs errr developers before its ready leads to upset stomachs ;) | 18:23 |
| * qwerty12 tries out that maemo_package_icons. I can't be arsed to base64 encode an png myself and then format it correctly for the control file. | 18:23 | |
| peteblack | hi, anyone possibly have a or know how to get a RX-48 image, like RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | peteblack, have you tried using the flasher software on your new device? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | the windows one especially - it tries to automatically download the correct image from nokias site | 18:25 |
| peteblack | lcuk, yes, if finds the image, downloads it but then fails | 18:25 |
| peteblack | it might be that my hardware version doesn't match | 18:25 |
| lcuk | this si for a wimax device isnt it? | 18:25 |
| peteblack | so i'm looking to do it manually | 18:25 |
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| peteblack | right | 18:25 |
| lcuk | because its brand new, it might be an idea to contact nokia themselves to see why its failing | 18:26 |
| lcuk | the only image i have is for none wimax device so would be wrong | 18:26 |
| peteblack | yeah, tried that, but they don't seem to interested in helping out, might try again today | 18:26 |
| lcuk | have you been onto the tablets-dev page and entered your wlan id thing and checked if its listed there? | 18:27 |
| lcuk | ie this: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php (but im not sure what code you need for the wimax version) | 18:27 |
| peteblack | yeah, so i apparently have an pre-production version, where nokia support have confirmed that the id points to finland | 18:28 |
| peteblack | so whenever i enter it on tablets-dev i get a wrong id | 18:28 |
| peteblack | have you possibly seen any RX-48 images there? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | no, i last flashed a few months ago, since you have a pre-production model you may have tostep backwards through to your nokia contact to get an update | 18:30 |
| peteblack | yes, i'm trying to do that as well | 18:30 |
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| peteblack | i don't know the person personally, and he/she is not there at the moment | 18:31 |
| peteblack | solarion, im a bit stuck... | 18:31 |
| lcuk | might i ask, how did you get your hands on a pre-prod model anyway | 18:31 |
| peteblack | i got it from a friend who did some work for nokia | 18:32 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:32 |
| peteblack | it would be if i could get the device re-flashed :) | 18:32 |
| macoute_ | btw. have any of you tried the "tube" phone from Nokia? | 18:32 |
| Pavlov | think those are supposed to be returned to nokia ;) | 18:32 |
| peteblack | oh yea, how would i find out? | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | I sure as hell wouldn't if I had one :P | 18:33 |
| lcuk | heh qwerty | 18:33 |
| lcuk | and thats why they will never send you one :P | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | true true :P | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | peteblack: why do you need a reflash anyway? | 18:33 |
| lcuk | right im off | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | see ya lcuk | 18:34 |
| peteblack | Stskeeps, the firmware on it was horribly old and the SSU was not working | 18:34 |
| lcuk | back later guys, and hopefully my head will be back in a coding frame, i feel a bit useless with stuff to do and the wrong head on | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | peteblack: ah | 18:34 |
| peteblack | Stskeeps, also , i'm a developer and i will eventually break this thing ;) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | if it aint broke, dont try to fix it | 18:35 |
| cars__ | But that takes all the fun out of it. | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | if it aint broke, pimp it up | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ... until you break it, then fix it | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | peteblack: could always query on iTT | 18:36 |
| peteblack | qwerty12 got it right~ | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | you wouldn't be the first with a preprod | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | of anything | 18:36 |
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| peteblack | Stskeeps, i did, and i don't think i am | 18:36 |
| peteblack | weird that no one has ever seen any RX-48 images around | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think most people have gotten rx-48s yet | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | peteblack: images don't really get leaked :/. With the diablo leaked, it was people flashing chinook first and then upgrading by basically ssu | 18:37 |
| peteblack | true | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | s/leaked/leak/ | 18:37 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: peteblack: images don't really get leak :/. With the diablo leaked, it was people flashing chinook first and then upgrading by basically ssu | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | stupid bot | 18:37 |
| peteblack | qwerty12, ah, right, thanks | 18:38 |
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| peteblack | well i did manage to break it and get it back by chopping up an old RX-44 image, but this is no longer an option | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | could always install deblet and start hacking on that since your tablet isn't supported obviously :P | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | like, won't be by nokia | 18:40 |
| peteblack | heh, either that or android | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | the android sucks on the tablet | 18:40 |
| peteblack | oh yeah? | 18:40 |
| * qwerty12 = diablo kernel patch porter for android :P | 18:40 | |
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| qwerty12 | It's based on the old sdk, I don't know if it runs any of the newer programs | 18:41 |
| peteblack | Pavlov, if you don't mind me asking, where did you hear that nokia want's the pre-prods back? | 18:41 |
| peteblack | qwerty12, ah, i see | 18:42 |
| peteblack | might be worth a try though | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: roxterm sent to chinook & diablo extras-devel builder | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: fantastic | 18:45 |
| * qwerty12 now gets on with setting up haiku in vmware, being a long time beos fan :) | 18:45 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: where is it you see progress again for builder? | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ - I just look here | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | keep refreshing :p | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Note: When it says package OK, it still takes time for it to transfer to extras-devel :P | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | And my chinook build failed :) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Lemme fix that... | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/temp/ - I was bored :p | 19:06 |
| peteblack | qwerty12, is the 0xFFFF initfs you have at http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/ still good? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | peteblack: That's not an initfs but rather an 0xFFFF binary that runs in initfs :/ | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: uhoh | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: better not be in extras ;) | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | lol, no, that's my installed apps :P. The point is the display name and icon if you want it :p. little cosmetic stuff | 19:08 |
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| peteblack | qwerty12, got it, are there any version limitations? | 19:09 |
| peteblack | for the binary that is | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | peteblack: shouldn't be, it was compiled statically | 19:09 |
| peteblack | ok, thanks | 19:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, any chance you feel like compiling flite direct from source and seeing what happens? | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: From the source that is in the chinook repo or from upstream? | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | upstream | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no source in Chinook. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I talked to gnuite and, apparently, he doesn't have the source so he can't upload it to Diablo Extras. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which sounds a bit bizarre to me. | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | I swear flite used to be in some repo | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was in Chinook Extras | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | just not with source. | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Do you know if gnuite made any modifications on it? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | http://www.failfoods.com/?p=333 :D bacon-henge | 19:14 |
| lcuk | winfoods | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, not a clue. | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | ok :) | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I was just gonna get you to compile it straight and see what happens. ;) | 19:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles still needs to talk to lardman. | 19:18 | |
| * qwerty12 twiddles thumbs while it does its stuff. | 19:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/#comment-1475 | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bizarre | 19:20 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles | 19:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, "get it up" . . . | 19:21 |
| lcuk | i am in code right now | 19:21 |
| lcuk | 17:13 18/10/2008GBreverted sketch resolution changes due to over enthusiastic tweak - some resolutions of sketch combined with different resolutions caused it to draw too heavily on some screens | 19:22 |
| lcuk | see, real change logs, im BUSY! | 19:22 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, really wont be long, i have 2 things to do :) | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | FFS, compiling flite throws warnings like a bitch | 19:23 |
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| * Stskeeps watches the warnings eat qwerty12 | 19:25 | |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Archos 5 vs. iPhone vs. N810 browser comparison. | 19:26 | |
| Stskeeps | they should make a demo with tear+n810 or something :P | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | if tear is half as good as midori on deblet.. | 19:26 |
| * Jaffa ouches | 19:27 | |
| Stskeeps | rough weekend, jaffa? | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Been laying Cat5 in various rooms whilst they've been empty and swapping furniture around | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: diablo roxterm built fine. I've reuploaded roxterm to chinook builder which should build this time because I uploaded libvte-dev too | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far, nobody reporting the story seems to realize the Archos 5 has a CPU several lightyears ahead of the ones in the others. | 19:29 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: to an extent, *why* it's faster isn't as important as the the fact it *is* | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | (to end-users etc) | 19:34 |
| cars__ | GeneralAntilles, I just took a very brief look at it, and the Archos looks interesting, though it's probably not as hackable as the Nokia tablets. But it has to be either huge or suck battery life with the hard drives, etc. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's huge | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also tells you to buy accessories while you're using it. | 19:35 |
| cars__ | Not exactly pocketable? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: wife in the pocket, eh? | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pocketable enough, I suppose. | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's significantly bigger than the tablets. | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, likely, but the reports all seem baffled as to why the Archos 5 is faster. | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/reports/reporters/ | 19:37 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, likely, but the reporters all seem baffled as to why the Archos 5 is faster. | 19:37 |
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| Sargun_Screen | I love my N810. | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | .. my precioussss n800. | 19:39 |
| cars__ | Yeah, it's not perfect, but it gets a lot of things right. | 19:39 |
| Sargun_Screen | Its currently the best tablet PC I've tried | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not even a tablet pc | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | just a tablet | 19:40 |
| Sargun_Screen | heh. | 19:40 |
| Sargun_Screen | I mean internet tablet. | 19:40 |
| aquatix | it's a very personal computer to me though :) | 19:40 |
| Sargun_Screen | I've tried OQO, a few PocketPCs, Palm | 19:40 |
| Sargun_Screen | iCunt^W^W^WiPhone | 19:40 |
| macoute_ | i dont even know of any other tablets :) | 19:41 |
| macoute_ | so it surely is the best one | 19:41 |
| Sargun_Screen | haha | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/flite/ - The library sure as hell aint lite though... | 19:42 |
| cars__ | I like it better than my Thinkpad X61T. Although the X61 can do more, the n810 is simply more handy.. | 19:42 |
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| aquatix | cars__: can i have your x61? | 19:43 |
| cars__ | I can pull it out of my pocket and people are amazed when I start doing "computer" stuff with it. | 19:43 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah :) | 19:44 |
| * aquatix loves his n810 too | 19:44 | |
| * Stskeeps wonders about a comment qqil made | 19:45 | |
| cars__ | aquatix, it's currently in for service - Vista screwed the whole thing up, so the first thing that goes on it when I get it back is a debian-based distro. | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | "Alignment and collaboration with Debian (let me add Ubuntu Mobile here as well, without getting into details) is in my opinion an essential step forward." | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if fremantle is mojo handhelds based | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, with upstart and all that stuff on the maemo summit | 19:45 |
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| Jaffa | And the Canonical guy talking about NDAs he'd signed with Nokia about the tablets | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | and his comment of "watch this space in 6-8 months" | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i would actually welcome that move tbh | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | because it reduces some of the maemo insanities | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, let OS specialists handle packaging and (open) infrastructure. Nokia can concentrate on "differentiation" | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish they'd actually talk about it. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: maybe we could bait qqil in the maemo on pandora threa | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | d | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: roxterm is now in extras-devel for chinook & diablo | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 19:50 |
| * Stskeeps removes from deblet repo | 19:50 | |
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| aquatix | cars__: ah :) | 19:51 |
| aquatix | sorry to hear of the screwage, but debian-based distro's are nice imho | 19:51 |
| malikul_ | qwerty12: were you the master who was able to compile the rt73 wifi driver with packet inject? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | malikul_: Nope, I compiled some other realtek driver for someone :) | 19:52 |
| malikul_ | qwerty12: hum I was checking out the threads and I aircrack-ng to function. Wont see the external wifi card. | 19:53 |
| malikul_ | sorry I cannot get aircrack-ng | 19:54 |
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| cars__ | aquatix, Part of the problem was a windows update marked my computer as not genuine and I spent five hours convincing Microsoft I was not a criminal. Once they believed me, they told me they couldn't help me. I used to dabble in Linux as a hobby, but that has convinced me to use it as a primary OS. | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: cfdisk was in extras in chinook? | 19:55 |
| aquatix | cars__: ouch | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: extras-devel | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | didn't even know that existed actually | 19:56 |
| aquatix | cars__: reminds me of a reinstall i did of my gf's laptop with a genuine windows key and cd, which where refused | 19:56 |
| aquatix | so now she's running xubuntu ;) | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | You people must have some bad luck. I've used cracked copies with windows marking it as genuine... | 19:56 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: actually, i phoned mickeysoft and got an unlock code after typing in a lot of numbers that the program generated | 19:57 |
| aquatix | but she still likes xubuntu better | 19:57 |
| aquatix | nice games and such ;) | 19:58 |
| cars__ | MS and all the other companies using a guilty until proven innocent scheme are just shooting themselves in the foot. | 19:58 |
| aquatix | and i don't do illegal windows stuff anymore since i discovered Free and better alternatives many years ago | 19:58 |
| aquatix | cars__: yeah :/ | 19:58 |
| * Stskeeps has 3-4-5 legal XP licenses from msdnaa | 19:58 | |
| malikul_ | I have legal versions of windows but when you do work with VM's it is a pain to be legal. Easier to pirate the legal versions | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | My windows xp mce & vista are legal being hp oem copies but in my vista, I have some components copied from ultimate and unlimited incoming connections which breaks the eula | 19:59 |
| aquatix | unlimited incoming connections? | 20:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't understand how people put up with it. | 20:00 | |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: me too | 20:00 |
| cars__ | I assume MS has in their EULA that they don't want you to use a VM to run what they call an OS, too. | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: "LanServer NoConnectionLimit Vista.7z" | 20:00 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, but... a connection limitation on an OS? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | licensing | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:01 |
| aquatix | :/ | 20:01 |
| * aquatix doesn't have any of the 12 Vista versions | 20:01 | |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix: Yeah, for sure! You have to patch to get it to allow more than 10 half-open connections (a security "feature" introduced from xp sp2) and the eula says you cant have more than 10 connections because more than 10 connections makes your vista workstation a server and they want you to pay more for windows server 2007 ;( | 20:02 |
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| cars__ | I have 2GB of RAM on the X61, aquatix, and even when Vista was working, it was sluggish. | 20:02 |
| aquatix | w...t...f... | 20:02 |
| aquatix | another wtf, but one i already heard of | 20:03 |
| aquatix | my pc might even run vista, it having 8GB of ram and a recent dual-core processor | 20:03 |
| aquatix | (ram is *cheap* ;) ) | 20:04 |
| * aquatix gets more pizza | 20:04 | |
| qwerty12 | After disabling shitty services, home premium runs fine and fast on a comp with 2gb ram and an old dual core | 20:04 |
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| cars__ | qwerty12, that's probably what's helping to slow me down. I found it was defragging my SD card in the background and using up 70% of the CPU while I was playing a game. | 20:07 |
| cars__ | It was probably indexing it at the same time, too. | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | cars__: ouch. Yeah, my hard drive activity was a lot. I disabled the indexing service (*never* used it, even from xp) and installed a windows version of locate | 20:08 |
| ccooke | the idea of defragging an SD card... argh | 20:10 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: myeah, but why should someone even have to bother tweaking his or her consumer OS to run fine on their new laptop/pc? | 20:11 |
| * aquatix still thinks it's odd | 20:11 | |
| aquatix | apple does it way better, for example | 20:11 |
| cars__ | ccooke, I know. It's pointless. And to do it automatically, like it's helping me slow down my computer. At the very least, wait for the CPU load to become idle for a while before starting something like that. | 20:11 |
| ccooke | cars__: it's worse than pointless, it's destructive | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: It's true, I'm not going to argue with you there. XP was better in that respect, I did think it faster than windows 2000 when I used to use that | 20:12 |
| aquatix | cars__: so it not only slows down your pc when you don't want it, it destroys your property too? | 20:12 |
| aquatix | win2k was slow in booting | 20:12 |
| cars__ | aquatix, yes, that's right. | 20:12 |
| aquatix | winxp still is, but conceals it :) | 20:12 |
| ccooke | aquatix: Not very well :-) | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: Heh, win2k bootscreen is my favourite out of all of them :P. | 20:13 |
| ccooke | aquatix: the way you can't do anything for anything up to a few minutes after you first start it is kind of a give-away :-) | 20:13 |
| aquatix | but i don't want to start some flame war; people should use the OS they are happy with - if they aren't happy, they shouldn't complain, but do something about it though | 20:13 |
| cars__ | ccooke, it's enough to fool my mother. She tries using the computer immediately after she sees the desktop. She wonders why nothing loads. | 20:13 |
| aquatix | ccooke: 'xactly ;) | 20:14 |
| aquatix | cars__: that's what a lot of people have | 20:14 |
| malikul_ | well 12 more days till ubuntu 8.10 comes out! | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | That reminds me, to backup my ssh & gpg keys, do I just copy ~/.gnupg & ~/.ssh? | 20:16 |
| aquatix | should be enough, yes | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | thanks | 20:17 |
| aquatix | don't sue me, but that was enough for me in the past :) | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'll have to do it anyway :). Otherwise X-Fade will kill me if I lose them again :p | 20:18 |
| malikul_ | if they are old keys make sure you regen then | 20:18 |
| malikul_ | big flaw that made brute force easy was discovered | 20:18 |
| aquatix | depends on how old | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, no, these keys were generated after debian put out the fixed openssh :) | 20:19 |
| malikul_ | awesome | 20:19 |
| * aquatix had even older keys that where perfectly fine | 20:19 | |
| malikul_ | well then yeah your .ssh and .gnupg folders should contain everything you need | 20:19 |
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| melmoth | ohhh, j avais pas utilise Wall | 20:27 |
| melmoth | oups | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | any of you with ext3 + SD clone? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | i just noticed tune2fs -O dir_index & e2fsck -fD as a possible directory speedup :P | 20:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Ext3 here. | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's not enabled when mkfsing normally | 20:53 |
| _gasnik_ | Skocz mi ty chuju! | 20:53 |
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| _gasnik_ | Skocz mi ty chuju! | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | .. what? | 20:55 |
| _gasnik_ | ? | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | _gasnik_, English-only channel. | 20:55 |
| _gasnik_ | this is "hi" in polish | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | not halo? :P | 20:56 |
| kpel | that chuju scared me for a moment :P | 20:56 |
| _gasnik_ | whatever | 20:56 |
| _gasnik_ | why? | 20:56 |
| kpel | j/k | 20:56 |
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| _gasnik_ | Skocz mi ty chuju! | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | why repeating it? | 20:57 |
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| _gasnik_ | because i'm good boy ;D | 20:57 |
| aquatix | _gasnik_: please don't swear :) | 20:59 |
| _gasnik_ | why? | 20:59 |
| yacoob | Bo to dziecinne. | 21:00 |
| _gasnik_ | english please | 21:00 |
| aquatix | lol | 21:00 |
| aquatix | _gasnik_: you started ;) | 21:00 |
| _gasnik_ | but it's only hi | 21:00 |
| yacoob | _gasnik_, go troll elsewhere :) | 21:01 |
| yacoob | no, it isn't, and stop playing dumb. | 21:01 |
| aquatix | _gasnik_: according to google it has to do with the male anatomy ;) | 21:01 |
| _gasnik_ | no ;D | 21:02 |
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| _gasnik_ | not only ;D | 21:02 |
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| cars__ | So my first AC adaptor broke and I mistakenly ordered an AC-3U instead of the AC-4U I received with the tablet. It charges, but it takes about six hours to do so. | 21:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cars__, please don't talk to me about chargers :p | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | moo | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 00m RST38h | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Another Fugu Plan: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/18/AR2008101800820.html?nav=igoogle | 21:11 |
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| * lcuk dances around | 21:22 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | congrats :D | 21:22 |
| lcuk | well i wasnt gonna let it beat me for another day | 21:22 |
| lcuk | its been taunting me for ages | 21:22 |
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| sp3000 | haha | 21:25 |
| sp3000 | "Enable Plugins - Makes websites annoying" | 21:26 |
| * sp3000 <3 fennec prefs | 21:26 | |
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| * qwerty12_N800 nearly had a heart attack thinking i'd messed up *this* charger. turns out that the gtk icon cache needs rebuilding | 21:28 | |
| sp3000 | what was the offending package install/remove script this time? | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, my tablet restarted during uninstall of bash2 :/ | 21:30 |
| RST38h | evil | 21:30 |
| lcuk | question: liqbase produces a lot of console output, but not all users are able to access and send the data, ive currently added logging to file, but want to remove it and just log to console as usual - is this standard procedure for apps? | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | send to stderr, yeah | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised what kind of funny crap maemo apps send out | 21:33 |
| * lcuk has had trouble trying to get users to send logs about spurious unrepeatable errors | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | i suppose if they cant repeat it then its not really an error | 21:33 |
| lcuk | ok, logging to file stopping by default :) | 21:34 |
| Macer | ldap is a friggin pain | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | w00t, vdvsx released blue maemo | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 21:37 |
| * Stskeeps goes dl | 21:37 | |
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| aquatix | sp3000: :) | 21:40 |
| aquatix | sp3000: i almost installed Fennec, but thought better of it when i saw it needed 26.3MB to install | 21:40 |
| melmoth | GRumble. Is there no client xmlrp api in python2.5 for maemo ? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | 26.3? jesus | 21:40 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: after installing, yeah | 21:41 |
| aquatix | 9.3MB of packages | 21:41 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: because of xulrunner i think | 21:41 |
| aquatix | as fennec itself is about 77KB | 21:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would try it if it worked with hildon keyboard | 21:42 | |
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| melmoth | ph, yes, there is one xmlrcp module :) | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, XULRunner | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | woo: bluemaemo works | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, which is exactly why MicroB doesn't use it. ;) | 21:49 |
| sp3000 | yeah, that libxul is 5MB bigger than the microb one | 21:49 |
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| Macer | well.. i think i'm goign to have to reboot my fbsd server | 21:59 |
| Macer | how lame :) | 21:59 |
| Macer | all this just so i can set up an auth server | 22:00 |
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| aquatix | sp3000: microb doesn't even have xul i thought? | 22:08 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, libxul just happens to be the name of the huge everything goes here library | 22:13 |
| sp3000 | (if you build that way; it's faster and stuff iirc) | 22:14 |
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| whodat | is there a port of svgalib to meamos | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | liqbase.net is black :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | still doesnt use a properly designed theme, but it will ;) | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want me to just do it for you? :P | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, grr, i don't have an chr key | 22:23 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:23 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles i tried converting to it | 22:23 |
| lcuk | just a mo | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't make me recompile :p | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows what .cprestore assembler directive does? | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | i thought you were the master of asm oh mr ASMOPCODENICKNAME man | 22:31 |
| lcuk | in other words i dunno | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | most Russians are masters of asm :p | 22:32 |
| * RST38h has no idea what it does although it does look to do something with the stack frame | 22:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else get weird text-wrapping with Mozilla's bugzilla? | 22:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's like the comments element is too thin, so I get browser soft-wrapping plus bugzilla's hard-wrapping | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | really irritating | 22:38 |
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| _gregorovius | anybody knows if it's possible to get internet access in my n800 via usb? not via a usb-eth adapter, but via a linux or windows computer with internet access | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~usb-networking | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (?) | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | _gregorovius: linux computer works for sure, windows not so much | 22:45 |
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| _gregorovius | i'm at a linux comp right now... any links? I didn't find anything in the ITT wiki | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 22:46 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800: okay | 22:46 |
| _gregorovius | thanks qwerty12_N800 | 22:47 |
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| Apolinario | sois emos o memos???? | 22:49 |
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| llufus | k animacion por dios! | 22:50 |
| llufus | tanto mensaje me abruma | 22:50 |
| llufus | secundo la mocion | 22:50 |
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| _gregorovius | canal equivocado? | 22:51 |
| bef0rd | gadejo | 22:53 |
| _gregorovius | "The second part describes how to configure various platforms to use the Nokia tablet as a network device" this seems to be the opposite of what I want | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | uhm, why? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | the nokia goes out and acts like a ethernet device | 22:56 |
| lcuk | how do i get a pgp key with windows | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | but with the only device on it besides the pc | 22:56 |
| lcuk | for uploading to extras | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: some more to the ubuntu mobile thought.. ubuntu got kinda fucked over by moblin moving to fedora | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, do it in linux :p. you'll need it to make the source package anyway | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | so they'd obviously look for a new corporate development partner | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | gah. nit-env-hildon play, deblet on beagleboard or movie. | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have beer. each one of them is compatible. | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | okay. seemingily i have made a nit-env-hildon base and i have forgotten it. | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Sts: Doesn't ubuntu have enough money on its own? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not sure really :P | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | maybe not that targeted developers | 23:06 |
| _gregorovius | I installed maemo-control. I enable usb networking and set up rules for it in my /etc/network/interfaces, but when plugging it in nothing happens. am I missing something? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | ......Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give...... | 23:12 |
| _gregorovius | (modprobe'd usbnet as well) | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: worst annoyance about gpg | 23:13 |
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| woglinde | _gregorovius check dmesg output on both devices | 23:13 |
| lcuk810 | well im doing as it asks | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, what are you generating under? | 23:13 |
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| woglinde | gregorovius try manually ifconfig usb0 up on both devices | 23:13 |
| lcuk810 | nokia :$ | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahh, k | 23:14 |
| woglinde | gregorovius on host side you could use ifplugd | 23:14 |
| _gregorovius | do I need to set up a dummy network or something alike? | 23:14 |
| _gregorovius | or is the connection manager not involved? | 23:14 |
| woglinde | _gregorovius???? | 23:14 |
| woglinde | nope | 23:14 |
| woglinde | just be sure the kernel modules are loaded | 23:14 |
| woglinde | then setup interfaces | 23:15 |
| woglinde | turn interfaces on automagicly with ifplugd | 23:15 |
| woglinde | or ifup usb0 | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk810, open another terminal and type cd / ; find | 23:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | should create enough entropy | 23:15 |
| lcuk810 | im playin chess | 23:17 |
| lcuk810 | and in here | 23:17 |
| lcuk810 | and gpsing | 23:17 |
| _gregorovius | in my main computer I get usb0 up when plugging it in, but it only seems to have an ipv6 assigned, no ipv4 :S | 23:17 |
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| woglinde | _gregorovius yeah because /etc/network/interfaces runs either at start up | 23:19 |
| woglinde | or with ifup usb0 manually | 23:19 |
| woglinde | if you want automagic install ifplugd I hope its the last time I have to explain it | 23:19 |
| _gregorovius | haha, sorry | 23:20 |
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| woglinde | _gregorovius the auto in interfaces has meaning at boot ime | 23:20 |
| woglinde | ups boot time | 23:20 |
| _gregorovius | I set it up as "iface usb0 inet static" | 23:21 |
| woglinde | jepp | 23:21 |
| woglinde | thats the normal way | 23:21 |
| woglinde | but ifup/down really rocks when you set it up with ifplugd guessnet and wpa_suplicant | 23:22 |
| _gregorovius | now I did ifup usb0, and my tablet can ping my comp (and vice versa) | 23:22 |
| woglinde | hurray | 23:23 |
| _gregorovius | however, if I try to open a page in microb, conn | 23:23 |
| _gregorovius | sorry, conn-manager tries to connect to wireless | 23:23 |
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| woglinde | sorry I do not know microb | 23:24 |
| woglinde | and yes the maganger suckz about usb net | 23:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | apt-get install libicd-network-dummy | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key | 23:25 |
| lcuk | it says it is :'( | 23:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you really don't have a linux computer that this can be done from? i generated mine in linux and it works fine for uploading | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | also gnupg that comes with tablet is retarded version iirc | 23:27 |
| lcuk | crap umm wait a minute lemme try | 23:28 |
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| _gregorovius | argh, still no internet access | 23:32 |
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| _gregorovius | I installed libicd-network-dummy. USB now shows up under conn manager, if I select it it says it's connected, but the icon shows as if it weren't connected | 23:33 |
| lcuk | Dear lcuk, | 23:34 |
| lcuk | You have successfully accepted our invitation. You will shortly receive an email to | 23:34 |
| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | _gregorovius, oh, the icon is like that for dummy connections | 23:34 |
| _gregorovius | ah, wait. dns | 23:34 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N800 that was painful | 23:34 |
| woglinde | _gregorovius dont forget to set the route right | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, heh :). hope liqbase makes it in extras! | 23:35 |
| lcuk | -devel first | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | of course | 23:35 |
| woglinde | it will | 23:36 |
| woglinde | I am sure | 23:36 |
| _gregorovius | adding 192.168.2.14 to resolv.conf on the tablet is enough? is that file persistent on the tablet? | 23:36 |
| woglinde | better set it in interfaces | 23:36 |
| AStorm | hello | 23:37 |
| lcuk | crap! does anyone know if liqbase builds in the x86 scratchbox? | 23:37 |
| AStorm | I've a question about hildon input method | 23:37 |
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| AStorm | can the input method app see changes inside a textbox it's bound to? | 23:38 |
| AStorm | (like, cursor move, deletion, insertion) | 23:38 |
| lcuk | AStorm, i would imagine it expects to be one way changes | 23:39 |
| AStorm | ouch | 23:39 |
| lcuk | it doesnt expect the text to change from outside while you arei n it | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | it may do, but if it was mine i wouldnt code for it | 23:39 |
| AStorm | hmm, I mean, you still will be inside | 23:39 |
| _gregorovius | woglinde, if I do that, do I need to set up dnsmasq or similar on my host? | 23:39 |
| AStorm | moving a cursor with a pen for example | 23:39 |
| AStorm | selecting something | 23:39 |
| _gregorovius | I'm not really fluent in networking | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, iirc, if x86 build can't be done, then it's ignored. *i think*. but you can add lines to debian/rules that do different things depending on arch (e.g for i686,, not yo compile with libxsp etc) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | cursor should all be done via the input method itself shouldnt it | 23:40 |
| lcuk | oh crap | 23:40 |
| AStorm | uhm... well, it's the cursor in the app :) | 23:40 |
| AStorm | not that the im moves it, user moves | 23:40 |
| lcuk | ahhh you mean the little keyboard - i thought you meant when the fullscreen one came up | 23:40 |
| woglinde | _gregorovius what you know about internet routing and dns? | 23:41 |
| AStorm | workflow: user enters some text with IM, user clicks somewhere in the textbox (im still active) and moves the cursor | 23:41 |
| lcuk | shouldnt that one simply fake keypresses | 23:41 |
| AStorm | im sees it or not? | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, main thing is armel build. check the logs, if it's failed, a reupload is always possible | 23:41 |
| lcuk | alright, but i cant sign the .deb i already made can i | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ive gotta rebuild it | 23:41 |
| _gregorovius | woglinde, I know my computer knows my ISP's DNS addresses, and I know it must somehow communicate that to the tablet, or serve as a dns server itself | 23:42 |
| _gregorovius | I gather the first option is the simplest, but I don't know how to to that | 23:42 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:42 |
| AStorm | see, I think IM should get information about cursor and selection changes in the text box | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you make a source package and sign the changes file which is uploaded and the builder makes a deb | 23:42 |
| woglinde | then think about the solutions | 23:42 |
| woglinde | there is one eays | 23:42 |
| AStorm | am I wrong? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | ive got the source thingy i think ( liqbase_0.0.9.tar.gz ) and the _armel.changes file | 23:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | sounds good. have you ran debsign on the changes file? | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | not yet, just trying to make sure my .ssh key is on the right machine | 23:45 |
| lcuk | right now, itsn ot | 23:45 |
| _gregorovius | woglinde, I was going to manually set it up in the tablet, but the USB connection only has options for proxies | 23:45 |
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| woglinde | gregorovius edit the interfaces file yourself | 23:45 |
| lcuk | \@/ crashbox doesnt have gpg | 23:47 |
| lcuk | scratchbox | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | do it outside sbox | 23:47 |
| _gregorovius | that might work, but I have some man reading to do then =) | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i make source packages in sbox, debsign + dput outside sbox | 23:47 |
| mikkov_ | you can install gpg to scratchbox, much easier | 23:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ahh, cool | 23:48 |
| mikkov_ | then dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S will automatically sign the files | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox doesn't have gpg? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | why on earth does extras require it when their own bloody sdk doesn't support it? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:48 |
| mikkov_ | dput can be used from scratchbox too | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks mikkov_, didn't know that. should save me lots of time :) | 23:49 |
| mikkov_ | but it isn't in any repo | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:49 |
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| mikkov_ | gnupg is in extras, I think | 23:51 |
| _gregorovius | hm. I don't see any dns options in /etc/network/interfaces' man =/ | 23:51 |
| woglinde | _gregorovius yes they forget it to put in | 23:51 |
| AStorm | uhm, then the default is dhcp | 23:52 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:52 |
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| _gregorovius | woglinde, any hints? | 23:53 |
| woglinde | dns-nameservers | 23:54 |
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| _gregorovius | thanks | 23:58 |
| _gregorovius | that should really be in the manual | 23:59 |
| woglinde | hm post a bug to the debian folks | 23:59 |
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