IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-10-18

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GeneralAntillest_s_o, ping.01:11
t_s_omornin GeneralAntilles01:11
GeneralAntillest_s_o, basically we need to experiment with packaging.01:12
GeneralAntillesRight now it's all talk, so we need people to play with the packaging and people to be guinea pigs once there's something concrete.01:12
t_s_oin other words, who has a IT to act as a lab rat?01:12
GeneralAntillesMore or less01:13
GeneralAntillesbut that's still dependent on somebody stepping up to actually put together some packages. ;)01:13
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|rt|what's an IT?01:14
|rt|internet tablet?01:14
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lardmannight chaps01:18
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Stskeepsare there any hildon themes where the fonts are not so bloody oversized?01:23
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zakkmin terms of web surfing, general usage.. how much better is the newest diablo - Nokia N800 .. vs the Nokia 770 ( OS2006/07 )01:25
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Stskeepsit has improvements obviously01:25
Stskeeps770 to 800 is a good step up :P01:25
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zakkmI'm buying a N800 off someone on craigslist this sunday.01:27
zakkmI used to own the 770.01:27
zakkmBut it was hella slow for browsing and stuff01:27
Stskeepsthen n800 probably helps01:27
zakkmmy 770 got wsod many months ago.01:27
zakkmN800 for $150 ? you think thats good? ( Canadian Dollars )01:27
zakkmused - comes with everything01:28
Stskeepsthat's decent, think i paid like 200-250$ for mine01:28
Stskeepsfrom fresh01:28
zakkmyeah but you get warranty :P01:28
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Stskeepsnot when you have to import from the US when the company importing in .dk screwed you over to the extent of almost filing a police report for fraud towards them01:29
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zakkmyou live in denmark ?01:29
n810does anyone knows about maemo app to control xbmc?01:30
zakkmthere is one?01:30
n810i remember some "dev" talked about it in this channel01:30
n810january this year or so..01:30
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n810i'm not sure to start writing it myself in python+gtk bindings; send/get data via built-in xbmc web server01:33
zakkmHow good is android on N800 ?01:33
zakkmxbmc = xbox media center, right?01:33
n810sorry.. yeah01:33
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Stskeepszakkm: it's a proof of concept really01:34
zakkmnot usable?01:34
zakkmlike a good alternative?01:34
Stskeepsit's usable to some extent but it's an old version01:34
n810name? source?01:34
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zakkmBy the looks of it i will just be using Canola and microb.01:35
zakkmHow good is iNES? and those emulators?01:35
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n810using canola? that would be quite nice01:36
zakkmlooks so good.. didn't work on my old 77001:36
* Stskeeps is torn between liking hildon and not liking it01:37
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t_s_ounless one have a keyboard (or own a N810) game emulators on the tablet makes no sense01:38
zakkmscuumvm ?01:38
GeneralAntilleszakkm, why not try them and see?01:38
zakkmI dont have the tablet yet.01:38
GeneralAntillest_s_o, have you tried them with an N800?01:38
* mgedmin can play tic tac toe without a keyboard, so there!01:38
zakkmGeneralAntilles: I'm buying on sunday.01:38
GeneralAntillesVGBA and VGB work great for me on my N80001:39
GeneralAntillesYou can hook up a Wiimote if the controls really bother you.01:39
zakkmGenerealAntilles: Diablo?01:39
zakkmWiimotes work on n800 ?01:39
GeneralAntillesIt's just a Bluetooth device.01:39
zakkmany bluetooth device works?01:39
GeneralAntillesAs long as there are drivers for it.01:40
t_s_oand try to hold two devices? meh. if one have to put the device on a table to play, one could just go for a desktop emulator anyways...01:40
GeneralAntillest_s_o, the Wiimote is one-handed, the tablet is one-handed .01:40
GeneralAntillesIt works fine.01:40
GeneralAntillesJust ask Navi. ;)01:40
t_s_oheh, i envisioned using it in the classical nes hold...01:40
zakkmGeneralAntilles: would i just have to go through nokia builtin settings to get wiimote to work and function ?01:41
t_s_oif one was to use the sensorsystem instead, i guess it could work, somewhat...01:41
GeneralAntilleszakkm, Wiicontrol01:41
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, I don't have any trouble using VGBA with just the N800.01:42
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GeneralAntilleszakkm, anyway, yes, RST38h's emulators are very high quality.01:47
zakkmWhich did RST38h do?01:47
zakkmYa sorry, my Linkinus trial ended so i had to download another irc client01:47
GeneralAntillesLinkinus sucks01:47
zakkmyeah im on colloquy now01:48
zakkmonly other i know01:48
* Stskeeps wonders how powerlaunch works on deblet01:48
GeneralAntillesThere are a few from the Classic days, but those suck worse.01:48
Stskeepsdoesn't seem that maemo-depedannt01:48
zakkmi know irssi and stuff.. but i meant like fully gui mac ones.01:49
zakkmand mirc and stuff for windows..01:49
GeneralAntillesSnak, Ircle, etc.01:49
zakkmis the VGBA playable? like high framerate01:49
zakkmoh those suck :P so ugly01:49
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: if i get a decent hildon environment up for deblet, is it something you'd like to either work or on try and see what can be done for it?01:50
GeneralAntillesMore likely I might push it community-side.01:51
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zakkmGeneralAntiles:In your opinion, is $150 good for a used Nokia N800 with all the stuff it came with?01:52
zakkmCanadian dollars.01:52
GeneralAntillesSounds like a good deal.01:52
GeneralAntillesAssuming it's not scratched to hell.01:52
zakkmyeah i wouldnt buy it if it is01:53
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, It's something I'd definitely be interested in seeing, but it's not something I see myself putting a lot my own time into.01:53
GeneralAntillesMostly because I have a tendency to pick up lots of projects then never really invest much time in any of them.01:53
Stskeeps*nod* so far i've isolated problems like, maemo-gtk and gtk isn't all that synced just yet, extras come from rest of X obviously, the fact people depend on closed source libraries for their apps, .. and much other stuff01:53
zakkmOne question, sorry, Does canola work on diablo ?01:53
GeneralAntillesYes, it works just fine.01:54
Stskeepsnokia has without thinking about it caused platform lock in, imho01:54
GeneralAntilles99% of stuff is compatible between Chinook and Diablo.01:54
zakkmIs the VGBA smooth playback ?01:54
zakkmawesome :)01:55
zakkmgoing to one nice purchase.01:55
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, now, pushing Nokia for changes along the lines of is something I can definitely do.01:55
Stskeepsyeah, need to be people to push the political agenda too i guess :P01:56
Stskeeps*waits for wiki to load..*01:56
zakkmyeah taking long for me too01:56
GeneralAntillesThat objective fits perfectly with my community council hat. ;)01:56
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, the Fremantle alpha SDK is an especially good time to start pushing the upstream compatibility.01:58
GeneralAntillesThey seem to be heading in that directly anyway, but pointing out specific failure points will help.01:59
zakkmWhen i get nokia, is it safe to update to the newest diablo ?01:59
zakkmI been reading forum post and it seems risky01:59
Stskeepszakkm: just do it from fresh before installing anything and you should be fine02:00
zakkmim buying it used so it might already have apps on it02:00
GeneralAntillesNot doing stupid things prevents you from having trouble.02:00
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
zakkmI was thinking of reflashing it and then updating02:01
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zakkmIs flashing in Mac okay?02:01
GeneralAntillesYes02:01 works fine.02:01
Stskeeps.. still waiting for wiki02:01
zakkmyeah me too02:01
zakkmwiki is like broken :P02:01
* GeneralAntilles sighs.02:01
GeneralAntillesWhen are those servers coming? . . .02:01
GeneralAntillesX-Fade's got them all playing Quake 2 against each other.02:02
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: in any case, a proof of concept powerlaunch + hildon env should be enough for people to start hacking eventually.. then people can pick up from there i guess02:02
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, just gotta find the tipping point where people are interested enough to start investing their own time.02:03
GeneralAntillesMy biggest issue with Deblet is the UI.02:03
GeneralAntillesIt's awkward using a desktop DE, the keys don't work like I expect them, virtual input sucks, etc, etc.02:04
Stskeepsi prefer hildon myself, or maybe something along the lines of
zakkmwould WM's work well ?02:04
zakkm*box's ?02:04
GeneralAntillesOnce you get to the point where you've pretty well replicated Maemo's Ui, and most things work as you'd expect (or better!), then it starts to look like a more viable alternative.02:05
zakkmis hildon closed source?02:06
GeneralAntillesIt's open source.02:06
zakkmstskeeps: nice screenshot ( reading the show off your screenshots thread)02:06
zakkmso why not just edit hildon ?02:06
GeneralAntillesSomebody changed that screenshot to an ugly one of Ubuntu Mobile for some reason.02:07
GeneralAntillesI'm half tempted to change it back02:07
GeneralAntillessince the OS2008 shot looked much nicer (and better demonstrated exactly what Hildon is)02:07
zakkmstskeeps: <--- deblet ?02:07
zakkmlooks like maemo02:07
mgedminGeneralAntilles: the current low-resolution screenshot on that wikipedia page sucks, go do it02:08
GeneralAntillesThat's what I was using.02:08
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Stskeepszakkm: yeah, that's deblet+hildon02:09
zetheroois there a free GPS software which is complete with voices and all?02:09
Stskeepsmaemo mapper maybe02:09
zakkmdeblet+ hildon ?02:09
zakkmso its not maemo . but it looks and acts like it? lol02:10
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, Ubuntu fanboys are a bit weird on Wikipedia.02:10
Stskeepsit's not maemo, it's deblet and hildon :P02:10
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper02:10
GeneralAntillesUsing flite02:10
GeneralAntillesNot great, but it fits the bill.02:10
Stskeepswhich is not entirely like maemo02:10
mgedminso, put both screenshots on the page02:10
zakkmStskeeps: i like your skin in it and was wondering if its a maemo skin, but i guess not02:10
GeneralAntillesThey stick Ubuntu references in the strangest places.02:10
Stskeepszakkm: it's "plankton".. think it's in sdk02:10
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, sounds like a plan!02:11
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Stskeeps.. but anyway, it's one of the open source themes02:11
zakkmWas wondering if i could have it. But i would like to use maemo for awhile before i start deblet and stuff02:11
GeneralAntilleszakkm, like Stskeeps says, it's Plankton, the free theme they use for the SDK, it's also available for the tablets.02:11
Stskeepshildon-theme-plankton, google it02:11
zakkmoh sweet :)02:11
zakkmwait this is 2007 ?02:12
zakkmOS2007 ?02:12
zakkmah ill figure it out02:12
zakkmI have a question02:13
Stskeepsinteresting url though02:13
zakkmHow do i backup everything . so if flash fails.. It will still work from a backup?02:14
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: frightening, powerlaunch compiled with only 1-2 changes. first maemo app doing that02:14
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, OK, added both. Thanks!02:15
Stskeeps.. besides advanced-backlight02:15
AStormhello again02:16
AStormdo you know of any nice PIM tool for both my PC and n810? :)02:16
zakkmFor everything deblet, apps etc.. what size SD should i be looking at?02:16
zakkmnot including music,video etc..02:16
GeneralAntilles8GB-16GB is the sweet spot for price02:16
zakkmhaha cant afford that much02:17
zakkm2GB = $7.99 XD02:17
zakkmim about to pay $150 for nokia. It will make me broke.02:17
zakkmIm a 17 year old high school student.02:17
AStormwell, for n800?02:17
GeneralAntillesGet a job!02:17
zakkmi have a job02:17
AStormGeneralAntilles: :>02:17
zakkmi work 28 hours this coming week02:17
GeneralAntillesGet another job!02:17
AStormif it were that simple02:18
zakkm+ classes..02:18
GeneralAntillesWhat are the labor laws up there like?02:18
zakkmAstorm: doesnt GarnetVM work ?02:18
AStormI feel the whole PIM section is being ignored with n's02:18
* GeneralAntilles was doing 40 hours a week at work during his senior year.02:18
zakkmGeneralAntiles: perfect? idkk02:18
AStormzakkm: it sucks, it's not integrated etc.02:18
AStormit's PALM!02:18
AStormit wastes n's UI02:18
GeneralAntillesAStorm, GPE?02:18
AStormand it's slower than native02:18
zakkmAstorm: .. add KDE and use KDE PIM ? :)02:18
GeneralAntillesKhertan's stuff?02:18
AStormGeneralAntilles: close, but no cigar02:18
AStormanything better?02:19
AStormGeneralAntilles: Pimlico... haven't tried02:19
AStormwebpages please?02:19
AStormzakkm: I don't want KDE, thank you02:19
GeneralAntillesThere are a finite number of PIM packages on Maemo02:19
AStormit is too all-inclusive, can't just take a part of it02:19
GeneralAntillesSooo, either one of the few will do it for you or it wont. ;)02:19
AStormGeneralAntilles: ah, that one02:20
AStormwith non-integrated apps?02:20
AStormsomething more integrated please?02:20
zakkmAStorm: can use easy debian and install kde-pim?02:20
zakkmthat way its integrated into maemo ?02:20
AStormzakkm: ...02:20
AStormit's too integrated in its own!02:20
AStormI mean, if I pull a bit of KDE, I have to eat it whole02:20
GeneralAntillesPimlico is integrated. .  . .02:20
AStormor I'll have problems02:20
zakkmjust size wise02:20
zakkmnot UI .02:20
AStormGeneralAntilles: really? it has 3 apps for the same PIM02:20
GeneralAntillesIt's Hildonized02:21
AStormGeneralAntilles: yes, that's a plus02:21
* GeneralAntilles isn't quite sure what you mean by "integrated".02:21
zakkmIs there any alternatives besides Deblet ?02:21
zakkmreasonable ones.02:21
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming that means ". . . with Maemo", which means "Hildonized"02:21
Stskeepsi'm not even sure deblet is reasonable02:21
AStormGeneralAntilles: might be, might not as long as UI is usable enough on n02:22
zakkmi mean ones worth looking into02:22
AStormsyncing with main machine is important02:22
AStormand that it's buildable here02:22
GeneralAntilleszakkm, truth be told, Maemo is really more than adequate.02:22
GeneralAntillesIt has its quirks, but it works.02:22
Stskeepsthat it does02:22
zakkmI know but i like how you say .. looking around, trying new software..02:22
GeneralAntillesWhich can't entirely be said of most of the alternatives (yet).02:22
GeneralAntillesThen you'll want some SD cards. ;)02:23
AStormuhm... I think... Pimlico's Todo is a failure02:23
AStormit has no categorizing02:23
AStormno nesting02:23
AStormno nothing02:23
zakkmWhen i had my 770 .. i downloaded every app in application manager :P02:23
zakkmand added repos and all too02:23
* zakkm likes trying new software02:23
AStormwrong, it has 1-level nesting, not enough02:23
AStormI just dropped chandler because it has no nesting02:24
AStorm(on main machine)02:24
AStormSee, I need a way to categorize all these todos02:25
zakkmgoogle calendar :)02:25
AStormzakkm: no offline mode, pity02:25
AStormoffline is required02:25
zakkmnone have google gears?02:25
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AStormsorry, I can't see untimed stuff in Google Calendar02:27
AStormit fails on start :)02:27
GeneralAntillesToo bad alterego's todo never came out.02:27
AStormI need timed and untimed stuff02:27
AStormwith simple nesting02:27
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zakkmwhat about that "Dates" that GeneralAntiles sent ?02:28
zakkmthat looked nice02:28
AStormit doesn't support undated stuff either02:29
AStormand has no nesting02:29
AStormheck, why does Todo have to be a flat list?02:29
AStormthis is so wrong02:29
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AStormit was supposed to be Personal Information *Management*02:30
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AStormjust found something called NoteCase02:35
AStormbut I suspect it doesn't take dates at all :-(02:35
AStormsomething like that, but with dates, priorities and maybe completion count for categories02:36
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AStorm - GOLD!02:40
AStormok, now, someone please port it and hildonize02:40
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AStormfor reference, it uses wxPython02:41
AStormwith PyOpenGL02:42
AStormhmm, no, opengl part is not required02:42
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AStormjust wxPython. Do we have it already?02:42
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mikkov_no wxwigets for maemo so far02:48
AStormdammit, porting that is much too hard02:48
AStormdebian armel has it?02:49
GeneralAntillesI thought wx had been ported?02:49
mikkov_but i hear that wxwidgets is hildonized in svn02:49
AStormGeneralAntilles: :)02:49
mikkov_maybe there is deb somewhere but it doesn't help if nobody knows where it is02:50
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AStormhmmm :-(02:51
mikkov_actually hildozed wx is great, because you get hildonized apps without changing any code02:52
AStormat least somewhat hildonized02:52
AStormso, can I have it?02:52
AStormwith wxPython as well02:52
AStorm(which should be easy)02:52
mikkov_Grab sources from svn and try?02:53
mikkov_haven't tried myself02:53
AStormI mean, from wx svn?02:54
AStormbecause "from svn" is not specific enough02:57
mikkov_wx svn, yes02:57
mikkov_here's some early work about wx and hildon
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mikkov_there's somewhere better pictures02:58
AStormthese are good enough03:00
AStormok, so I get to grab it and finish the work... package for Maemo (urgh!) and do the same with wxPython03:00
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AStormthen mangle ui of taskcoach to fit small screen better03:02
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mikkov_screenshots on taskcoach are about tablet screen size03:05
mikkov_at taskcoach website03:05
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AStormbut its ui is rightclick loaded03:06
AStormor menu loaded03:06
AStormmenus are large too03:07
AStormsome of the menus should be offloaded to a configuration screen03:10
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mikkov_screenshots don't tell the whole truth I guess :)03:12
AStormwell, nothing major is needed03:12
AStormit has subwindows, which are selectable03:13
AStormthis goes to configuration03:13
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AStormSort and Columns are too cumbersome as menus03:14
mikkov_here's more about wx&hildon
AStormlooks good, except for file dialogs03:22
AStormwhich is really what has to be changed in Maemo's port of GTK03:22
AStormno, not some hildon overlay on top of GTK. GTK itself.03:23
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AStormyes, apps like gimp would need porting, but they do anyway03:25
AStorm(just make gtk use libhildon's file dialog?)03:29
AStormhmm, circular dependency probably03:30
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zetherooGeneralAntilles: how do I install flite?03:53
zetherooanyone know how to install flite?03:55
zetherooits not in the repos ....03:55
AStormit is in the repos04:03
AStormbut needs red pill04:03
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zetheroored pill?04:10
zetheroo :-S04:10
zetherooplease explain AStorm04:11
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zetherooI am not understanding this04:18
zetherooenter "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, click "Cancel".04:18
zetherooI did that and nothing is different04:19
GAN800apt-get install flite04:19
GAN800AStorm, don't spread redpill <_<04:19
zetheroowhy would I add something new only to cancel it?04:19
AStormGAN800: ok then :)04:19
AStormzetheroo: because it's top secret etc.04:20
zetherooflite is not in the repos .... that is why he told me abotu redpill04:20
AStormit is in the repos04:20
AStormbut you can't install it w/o admin rights (can't even see it)04:20
GeneralAntillesapt-get is a lot safer than red pill04:20
zetheroowow ... this is really where things are annoying... I keep going around in circles with this thing... and everyone has a different solution to the same thing....04:21
zetheroo ;-)04:21
zetherooI already tried apt-get .... but its not working either04:21
zetherooand ... yes... I did it from root04:21
GeneralAntillesAdd Chinook Extras to the catalog list04:21
GeneralAntillesflite isn't in Diablo Extras yet.04:22
zetheroothis should not be this difficult!04:22
zetheroowhat are the Chinook Extras and how do I add them?04:22
GeneralAntillesTalk gnuite into uploading flite to Diablo Extras.04:22
zetheroowhy should anyone have to talk them into it?04:23
zetherooits like a basic thing ...04:23
GeneralAntillesBecause, apparently, he hasn't done it on his own volition yet?04:23
zetherooneeded with any GPS04:23
GeneralAntillesNo it's not.04:24
zetheroo so how do I add this repo? ... :)04:24
GeneralAntillesIt's a voice synthesis program used by Maemo Mapper.04:24
zetheroowell... I have not seen anyone use GPS without voice04:24
zetheroomaybe there is another GPS program for Maemo which already has voices? and maybe even maps?04:25
Mouseyi don't04:25
zetherooyeah ... and they are now charging for their services ...04:25
zetheroowhich is great and all ... :)04:25
zetherooexcept I was not flipped out with Map to begin with ... and then having to pay for it was a bit sucky ...04:26
zetheroowhere can I find the repo settings to add?04:26
zetherooChinook Extras04:27
zetherooare these the ones?04:28
zetheroo     deb chinook free non-free    deb-src chinook free non-free04:28
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GeneralAntillesProbably easier to just install the .deb from
AStormzetheroo: paying is not sucky, unless you are a freeloader or have no money :)04:31
AStormor the service is crummy (it is in Poland)04:32
lcukGeneralAntilles, what do you use for editing html? wordpad is a bit crap and im not used to having to write my own04:34
GeneralAntillesUsually vim04:35
GeneralAntillesOr BBEdit04:35
zetherooAStorm I don't mind paying for a program that I think is great ... but I did not think that of Map04:35
zetherooand I am very strapped for cash as well ... :(04:36
lcukthx gen, hmmm ill have to find something04:39
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* lcuk gives GeneralAntilles a heartattack04:39
lcukor should i do it in word?04:39
* GeneralAntilles kills himself.04:39
GeneralAntillesFrontpage is actually pretty impressive.04:41
GeneralAntillesa 500-word HTML page is suddenly 1.9MB04:42
lcukwhat makes it even more impressive is a 1 word HTML page is still 1.3MB04:47
lcukits like anti-compression04:47
GeneralAntillesI'd love to have been a fly on the wall in one of those planning meetings.04:48
lcukthough i do believe in some later versions they did something and actually made it kinda work if the wind was in your direction and you actually wrote from scratch04:48
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GeneralAntillesGreat, another goddamn repository.04:50
lcukits like whack-a-mole04:50
* GeneralAntilles finally decides to put tz down on his shit list.04:50
* lcuk hides his quickly04:50
GeneralAntillesI officially hate that guy.04:50
* GeneralAntilles wonders if it's too late to make fried chicken.04:52
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lcukdid you get more mayo?04:53
GeneralAntillesNope, but, thankfully, you don't need mayo for fried chicken.04:54
lcukthats like saying you don't need bacon for an LT sandwich04:55
GeneralAntillesSouthern fried chicken does not involve mayo.04:55
GeneralAntillesFried chicken and gravy04:55
GeneralAntillesmaybe some rice.04:55
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Pavlovi could go for some fried chicken05:02
GeneralAntillesOnly after Fennec is in Extras-devel.05:03
Pavlovi'll try to get something up there next week05:04
Pavlovneed to figure out how to sign the changes with the right key05:04
infobothmm... uploading-extras is
GeneralAntillesHarass X-Fade if you need help.05:04
Pavlovyeah, i've got the page open ;)05:04
GeneralAntillesand if you have any improvement suggestions for that wiki page, let us know. ;)05:05
Pavlovthe other problem i need to sort out is that our build machines are all running centos05:05
Pavlovjust need to get the dpkg stuff on them i guess05:05
GeneralAntillesAny chance on a PPC build of the OS X release?05:07
Pavlovshould be pretty straight forward... let me see if one of our mac guys can do it05:08
Pavlovi broke ssh on mine and haven't fixed it yet and won't be back at my desk for another week05:08
zetheroonow that I installed flite do I need to install voices?05:08
GeneralAntillesThere's one voice.05:08
zetheroowhich one?05:09
GeneralAntillesHe's known as Marvin on OS X.05:09
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zetheroohow do I activate him?05:10
GeneralAntillesYou don't.05:10
zetherooI am hearing nothing in maemo-mapper05:10
GeneralAntillesIt works out of the box.05:10
GeneralAntillesDo you have voice synthesis turned on in settings?05:10
zetherooin maemo-mapper settings?05:10
zetherooall I get though is the text box with instructions05:11
zetherooany ideas?05:14
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zetherooI have been at this GPS thing ... trying to sort it out ... for 3 days now ...  Maybe its worth paying for Map afterall ... even though I really like maemo-mapper ...05:18
lcukzetheroo, it really does depend on what your time is worth, map is integrated and complete05:19
zetheroowell ... if trying to get maemo-mapper and flite working was a bit more straight-forward that would be gr805:20
zetheroobut I have been having the run-around for 3 days now ... and nothing seem to be working like ppl say it does05:20
lcukyeah i can see, i dont use either though05:20
zetheroowhat do you use?05:20
lcuki just like to have the default map showing current location in 3d, i haven't had a use that requires turn by turn routing yet05:21
lcuktracytracy who sits next to me in the car can direct us05:21
moontigerzetheroo, i have map and mapper05:21
moontigeri use the built in map for driving directions05:22
moontigerotherwise i think mapper is fantastic05:22
lcukmaemo mapper has image based mapping which is amazing for exploring a city or lcoation on foot (from what i learnt the other day) but i prefer the clarity of a drawn map when driving05:23
lcukhiya moontiger05:23
zetheroolcuk ... so you use another program altogether?05:23
moontigerhey lcuk :)05:24
lcukno, "map" includes a 3d view05:24
lcukbut its vector based lines, not photographs05:24
* lcuk likes vectors05:24
zetherooI see ...05:24
moontigeryah ... but mapper is so much nicer for walking like u say ... satelite view05:24
zetheroodoes it have the map in the unit? ... or is it also downloading them?05:24
lcuk"map" has a map builtin for the whole of the uk (or whichever country i care to download)05:25
lcukit includes pois and automatic speed camera warnings05:25
lcukeven without paying for it05:25
GeneralAntillesAh, the UK.05:25
GeneralAntillesYou guys crack me up.05:25
lcukit can pinpoint destinations and since we aren't silly tracy can get me there05:26
lcukheh GeneralAntilles you guys have it worse with more mobile speedgun type situations05:26
zetheroolcuk ... so what does one need to pay for?05:26
GeneralAntillesEh, it's more fun playing the game. ;)05:27
GeneralAntillesBesides, I don't have cameras watching me walk around outside. :P05:27
lcuk"turn right in 50 metres"05:27
zetherooGeneralAntilles ... any idea why flite is not working here?05:27
lcuk"turn round"05:27
lcuk"turn round"05:27
lcuk"turn round"05:27
lcuk"turn round"05:27
GeneralAntilleszetheroo, try restarting?05:27
GeneralAntillesWe had a Garmin get really pissy at us when we missed a turn one time.05:27
GeneralAntilles"Make a U-turn at your _earliest convenience_ (morons)"05:28
lcukheh, we need to get people to make custom voices for the mapper05:28
lcuk"map :: northern edition"05:29
zetheroohow much is the lisence for Map?05:29
lcuki dunno, but why dont you activate the trial05:30
lcukits 7 days and lets you see if you want it05:30
lcukyou can at least then relax and try to sort out maemo-mapper and also have fun with the other one05:31
GeneralAntillesI need to get a bluetooth serial adapter05:31
lcukyou will feel better and either find you cant be arsed playin any more and pay out, or should have maemo-mapper sorted05:31
GeneralAntillesand also file a bug report on Carman corrupting tracks. . . .05:31
lcuki cant decide about carman yet, it gets its info from the engine doesnt it05:32
lcukor does it try to extrapolate rpm etc by monitoring your gps speed?05:32
GeneralAntillesand GPS05:32
lcukwhy not - its got acceleration data available and not everyone wants to tie in their car to their computer (it might not even be their car)05:35
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, is that a serious question?05:35
GeneralAntillesRPM from lat/long, altitude and speed?05:35
zetheroofreemap-il is not installing for me05:35
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lcukwell ive seen it with test data runnin randomly, why not give it speed + acceleration and let it simulate better05:36
GeneralAntillesFake the RPM data?05:37
GeneralAntillesWhat would be the point?05:37
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't know what gear you're in.05:37
GeneralAntillesThere's no way they could even get in the ballpark.05:37
lcukof course there is05:37
GeneralAntillesNo, there isn't.05:37
lcukgoing from 0-20mph in 2 seconds == high rpm05:37
GeneralAntillesDoing 20mph I can be in any of 5 gears.05:38
GeneralAntillesWhat if I have a 500hp Corvette?05:38
lcukstaying at 20 mph for 2 seconds == mid05:38
lcukits just a way of utilising whats there05:38
GeneralAntillesWhat's the point of faking data?05:38
GeneralAntillesTo what end?05:38
lcukdo you think qwertys dad will let him install hardware into the car?05:38
lcukcos its a cool program05:38
GeneralAntillesWhy not get Maemo Mapper to fake location if you don't have GPS?05:39
lcukit doesnt have to be accurate for all purposes, but i can see someone wantign to key in data "bus mode"05:39
GeneralAntillesOr OMWeather to make weather predictions based on internal temp?05:39
lcukactually mapper does fake it05:39
GeneralAntillesBetter off listening to the engine.05:40
lcukit doesnt crash and say "no gps, not showing a map" it lets you see05:40
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lcukyes, 100% agree, BETTER - but for the simulation mode it could just look at gps and try to do something05:40
GeneralAntillesWaste of time and effort05:40
GeneralAntillesI'd rather have them fix the track corruption bug. :|05:40
lcukyes agreed, but i dont think its the same person/team working on both is it05:41
GeneralAntillesI'm sure there's nobody with enough free time to implement something pointless like that without taking time away from something that actually matters.05:42
lcukheh GeneralAntilles :) you forget i spend my life doing exactly that05:42
GeneralAntilleslcuk, we have so many bizarre arguments.05:43
* GeneralAntilles suspects lcuk of being a troll in a past life. :P05:43
lcukim all for discussion, and rather have a rally with you that sit with a blank chan05:44
lcukit helps me think, and most of the time your points are valid05:44
zetherooDoes Map have different voices to choose from?05:44
GeneralAntillesYou should start manufacturing and selling wooden tablet stands.05:45
lcukive got other things to worry about, but yeah - it suits this device05:46
GeneralAntillesGet the family involved.05:46
GeneralAntillesThey gotta pull their own weight.05:46
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lcukand how do i find a supplier for the space age, high tech rubber bands?05:46
GeneralAntillesYour asparagus isn't wrapped in them over there?05:46
zetheroosorry to bust in your fun .... but do either of you know?05:47
lcukzetheroo, im not sure, ive never activated her - but from the backend theres a load of voices05:47
lcuki will only do it when i can have kitt05:47
zetheroostill no joy with flite ...05:49
zetherooeven after a restart05:49
zetherooargh ...05:49
zetheroois flite a program? ... does it have a GUI?05:50
lcukdunno, im off to bed though, gnite GeneralAntilles , rest of chan.05:50
lcukzetheroo, as well05:50
zetheroosee ya05:50
* GeneralAntilles needs a sensor bar for his Mac mini.05:56
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agebeequick question. anyone know if a smartphone could be used as a keyboard? more specifically, a blackjack06:05
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GeneralAntillesIn theory, sure.06:07
GeneralAntillesNot sure the specifics.06:07
agebeeQuite a but of tweaking I guess.06:08
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agebeebit, too06:08
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GeneralAntillesMaybe a VNC client?06:08
GeneralAntillesOr get the Blackjack to pretend to be a Bluetooth HID device.06:08
agebeeThat might be easier.06:09
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agebeeI'm just quite surprised that there isn't much interest considering a lot of N800 users also have a smartphone.06:11
GeneralAntillesMore trouble than it's worth.06:11
GeneralAntillesThe issue really isn't Nokia-side, anyway.06:12
GeneralAntillesIt's smartphone side06:12
GeneralAntillesand there are lot of different kinds of smartphones.06:12
agebeea lot with windows mobile06:12
agebeecommon thread would likely get more people interested06:12
agebeeMy thing is that if I already have a keyboard smartphone, why pack a portable keyboard too?06:14
agebeeI'm quite comfortable typing on it, but I guess that's just personal opinion.06:15
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ds3what's the commandline to flash the diablo image from Linux?07:22
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ds3n/m found it on itt07:28
infobotflashing is probably
GeneralAntillesds3, ^07:31
ds3what I found better be right cuz I am 50% into it ;)07:31
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GAN800probably is, but worth bookmarking that one anyway.07:32
ds3I am hoping I will never have to do this again... afterall, isn't that the point of diablo?07:32
GAN800Sure, but you never know07:33
GAN800What if you get another tablet?07:33
ds3I am hoping the next tablet I get will be a OMAP3 with video output07:34
ds3nevertheless, location noted07:34
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GAN800composite out on the 3.5mm jack on the N900 would make my day07:35
ds3I'll settle for any connector!07:36
GAN800hdmi video mirroring would be fun, too.07:37
GAN800or maybe hdmi out at 1024x768 turning off the built in07:38
ds3I want HDMI mirroring at 640x48007:40
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GAN800OMAP3 has a 1024x768 framebuffer and another 640x480, so no mirroring needed at that rez. ;)07:41
ds3not sure how the maemo stuff will handle 2 displays so mirroring is the simpliest way07:42
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GAN800True enough, but I don't think it would be too difficult to get it to play nice with two displays.07:43
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ds3I just want it work with the PicoDLP projector07:43
prakwhat would you recommend using as note taking programs other than xournal?07:43
prakor is xournal probably the best or only product out there?07:43
GAN800er, liqbase07:44
GAN800ds3, did you see the shots of the new one for the Beagle?07:44
ds3GAN800: that's the PicoDLP07:45
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prakGAN800, thanks07:48
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ds3something in diablo broq WEP :(08:46
ds3and they didn't bother to include wireless tools @#$@$@#%#@$%@##@08:46
qwerty121. I'm using a connection with WEP fine.08:47
qwerty122. You can get wireless-tools. lemme find it.08:47
ds3does it want the hex WEP key or ?08:47
ds3chinook worked fine with the hex string (same as given to iwconfig key)08:47
qwerty12I'm pretty sure you can use the ASCII one but I typed in the hex08:48
ds3did it want the '-'s?08:48
qwerty12No, just the numbers straight08:48
ds3that's what i have and I have a Linux laptop next to it that works justfine08:48
qwerty12hmm. Ever thought about using WPA? Besides from being more secure, it means you don't have to mess around with hex nonsense :P08:49
ds3other legacy devices in the network prevents that08:49
ds3but yes, that has been considered08:49
qwerty12ah :/08:49
ds3what's irritating is I can't bring it back up to the same level I had a few hours ago before the flash08:50
qwerty12johnx: happy birthday however old you are :P08:50
ds3GRRR card reader doesn't like SDHC08:51
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ds3package is claimed as incompatible @#R$@#%$%@$#%@08:55
qwerty12dpkg -i it08:55
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peteblackhey, does anyone know if there are any RX-48 images here
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johnxqwerty12, thanks :D09:13
ds3think I found the problem... there is a bug with netmasks if DHCP is not used09:16
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kleistanybody from Berlin here? is there a shop there where the N810 is sold?09:20
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louie_i was wondering if anyone has heard of the flash player upgrade for the n810?09:30
johnxthere isn't one09:31
louie_too bad i really appreciate the device  u a user?09:31
johnxyou mean flash 10, right?09:33
Maceranybody here use ldap?09:33
Maceri was just wondering what cn stood for in the conf09:33
johnxcommon name09:34
louie_no i meant the nokia n810...but i use flash 10 under unbutu09:34
Macerso in the slapd.conf ..09:34
Macerrootdn          "cn=Manager,dc=rancorous,dc=net"09:34
Macerwhat is that the common name of? would that be the equal of a login?09:35
Maceror would that be a host name?09:35
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ds3are the network config (IP address, etc) still stored in gconf?09:36
ds3know what's the path? poking in /system/osso/connectivity didn't seem to show anything09:37
qwerty12Hmm, looked in IAP? Ip settings are tied to a profile09:38
ds3let me look again09:38
johnxlouie_, flash 9 is the latest for n810. the n810 will probably never get flash 1009:39
ds3ah I see it09:39
kleistanybody from Berlin here? is there a shop there where the N810 is sold?09:39
louie_johnx thanks09:39
louie_leist i bought my n810 on amazon.com09:40
kleistlouie_: but i'm SOO impatient ;-)09:40
zapwhat is the new stuff' name which is supposed to replace DSP Gateway in the upcoming NIT?09:41
louie_kleist  i understand...but i live in st. louis, mo usa09:41
kleistlouie_: or should i wait for the new maemo 5 device?09:41
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GAN800zap, OpenMAX09:42
ds3someone has got to have encountered this before09:42
kleistlouie_: but that won't come until spring, eh?09:42
kleistlouie_: s/until/before/09:42
louie_kleist i bieve so09:42
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zapGAN800: OpenMAX is ARM-side?09:43
louie_well thanks to all i need to get my sleep....good night09:43
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zapI was meaning, DSP-side, I have read somewhere DSP gateway is going to be replaced by another "DSP something"09:44
ds3is there a shell script that still gets runned whenever a network connection goes up?09:46
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zapds3: /etc/network/if-up.d/09:47
zapplace your script there09:47
johnxzap, does that actually get run on the tablet?09:48
ds3thanks... this bug is irritating09:48
zapjohnx: given that the proxy is set from there, should be09:48
qwerty12johnx: don't think so. I don't think icd even uses if up09:48
qwerty12Hrm, fair point actually09:48
qwerty12If that doesn't do it, dbus-scripts09:48
johnx^what he said^09:49
zaphe said no, then yes09:49
zapand finally maybe09:49
johnxwell if it doesn't work, then try dbus-scripts09:49
ds3all I want is a proper netmask setting09:49
zapwhats wrong with it?09:50
zapthe netmask is fetched from dhcp09:50
ds3it is ignored. I have a wireless network with static IP's09:50
zapyou will want to set it up properly :)09:50
ds3so like all the other versions, I tell it 10.x.x.x with a netmask
ds3after an hour of suspecting all sorts of problems, a ifconfig shows it thinking it is using a netmask @#%@#$@#$@09:51
zapsince you're using a non-standard netmask, the DHCP must tell the client about it09:51
zapdoes it?09:51
ds3this is a static network, no DHCP09:52
zapdoes NIT GUI allow specifying the static netmask?09:52
zapand its ignored?09:53
ds3and I verified with gconftool-2 that it is as I set it09:53
ds3and yes, it is ignored...hence the claim it is a bug!09:53
zapfill a bug report then :)09:53
t_s_oand pray it gets spotted...09:53
zapand make noise on mailing list :)09:53
ds3my N800 is a production/daily use device; I need it working now. bugs can happen later09:53
zapsure, one does not affect other possibilities09:54
ds3this upgrade to diablo is getting painful09:54
t_s_owhile it was "silly" to watch it happen, i think i prefer the glib (or whatever) bug report flame war vs the black hole that is the maemo/nokia bridge...09:54
zapthis used to work with chinook?09:54
ds3OS2008 (chinook), OS2007, OS2006 (770)09:55
ds3same network, works out of the box09:55
qwerty12Goddamn icd209:55
t_s_oim tempted to say that your a bit young to be using such language, qwerty12 ;)09:56
qwerty12t_s_o: I've said worse, feel free to check the logs ;P09:56
t_s_oheh, i suspect i was a foul mouth to be around those years myself so...09:57
t_s_oi say its better to vent verbally the physically...09:57
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jzahi what file is the one that has all the users accounts09:59
qwerty12That reminds me, any idea why the tablet doesn't shadow passwords by default?09:59
t_s_obecause its a device, not a server?10:00
qwerty12True. I just realised how stupid that sounded when there is only 2 users by default and a method to get root :)10:00
t_s_oand no listening daemons by default iirc...10:01
t_s_oheh, would have been fun if one could use kexec on the tablet :P10:02
zapqwerty12: s/and a method/and no method/10:02
qwerty12zap: rd mode10:02
qwerty12t_s_o: yeah :D10:03
zap*by default* :)10:03
qwerty12True, but it's there :)10:03
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* qwerty12 goes and reads up on socket programming10:03
t_s_ohmm, im tempted to try out that hibernation use of kexec at some point10:03
johnxjza, /etc/passwd10:04
jzajohnx, thanks I fix it now10:05
jzaI wanted to use bash by default instead of busy box10:05
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qwerty12Hello to you too :)10:10
moontigerheh sorry ... hi :)10:10
qwerty12Hehe, hi10:11
moontigeris icd2 open ?10:12
qwerty12Nope, closed :/10:12
qwerty12Same as icd110:12
* moontiger sighs10:12
moontigerso guys... im moving back to europe very soon and i have a few questions10:13
moontigerare any of you in europe?10:13
ds3yipee duct tape hack works10:13
t_s_omoontiger: im tempted to say yes, but then sometimes i feel that norway is neither here nor there :P10:14
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moontigerheh funny :)10:14
* qwerty12 is in the UK10:14
moontigerso whats the best cellphone company to go with?10:15
ds3anyone except att10:15
moontigeratt sucks donkey balls i hate them10:15
qwerty12moontiger: Contract?10:15
moontigeryes i guess ... is there a huge difference?10:15
qwerty12I've never been on a contract, having no credit card. I top up :)10:16
moontigerso things i need to do are : send mms + sms and unlimited data10:16
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moontigerim looking at a nokia 622010:16
moontigermy blackjack wont connect to european 3g frequencies10:17
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kleistmoontiger: i'm living in Berlin10:35
kleistmoontiger: very content with O210:35
moontigerhere we have unlimited data plans and such ... do you guys have that?10:35
kleistmoontiger: sure10:35
kleistmoontiger: which country are you going to?10:36
moontigerwell im moving to spain10:37
moontigerbut i will be moving around10:37
moontigerand you guys dont pay for incoming calls right?10:37
kleistO2 is owned by the spanish Telefonica, so I guess there are similar flat rate data plans there10:38
kleistoh no10:38
kleistthat's so stupid10:38
moontigerheh i know but u get used to it after a while10:39
moontigerso incoming calls are free?10:39
kleistof course10:39
moontigerso happy to be going back to civilization :)10:39
kleistunless you're abroad10:39
moontigerif im on the road i use skype or gizmo over wifi10:40
kleisthere in germany, O2 has a flate rate data plan for 25 Euro/month10:40
moontigerperfect ... and i can bluetooth to my nokia n810 and use the connection for that too?10:40
doc|homehere in Canada that won't get you 5mb of data10:40
kleistbut there's a catch10:40
kleistno VOIP10:40
doc|homekleist: will they know?10:41
moontigerthey block it at the packet level yes?10:41
kleistno idea10:41
doc|homeover ssh?10:41
moontigerthey do the same in south africa10:41
moontigermeh i can always find a coffee shop for free wifi for that10:41
kleistand after 10 GB/month, they trottle the speed to 64 kbps10:41
moontigererrrrrrrrrr wow well thats ok then10:42
kleistbut 10 GB is much10:42
moontigercos i cant imagine dnlding 10gb / month on my nokia or my fone10:42
moontigeris that 25 euros a month on contract?10:42
kleistwell, i don't yet have an N81010:43
kleistmoontiger: yes10:43
moontigerand what does the voice part cost?10:43
kleistbut it's in German10:43
moontigerich nich spraken deutch10:43
kleistthere are so many plans10:43
moontigeras u can see10:43
moontigerwell at least o2 is all over europe yes?10:45
kleisti'm paying a minimum of 5€/month, voice calls to fixed-line phones are 3 cents/min.10:45
kleistto cell phones 19c10:46
moontigerbut of course incoming is free ...10:46
* moontiger writes that down10:46
doc|homeof course? :) in north america  it's not free :/10:46
moontigerhere in the land of the free they arent free10:46
kleistit's so stupid10:46
mavhcI didn't put any money on my payg phone for 999 days and they cut me off10:46
moontigeru pay incoming the same as outgoing10:46
doc|homestupid crtc and their lack of competition10:46
kleisthow much, typically?10:47
qwerty12You pay for incoming calls?10:47
doc|home30c min10:47
moontigerwell i have a tmobile plan10:47
kleistgosh, thats gross10:47
moontigeri get 600 anytime mins and unlimited nights and weekends (after 9pm)10:47
kleistalso for incoming voice mail?10:47
moontigerand that costs me $85 per month with *unlimited* data10:47
* kleist needs a shop in Berlin which sells N81010:48
moontigerunlimited data isnt unlimited at all and there is not much 3g network here10:48
moontigerkleist, i got mine from amazon10:48
kleist3g is in almost all cities here10:48
* moontiger turns up the trance10:48
moontigerwow really??10:49
moontigeri so cant wait to leave here10:49
kleist"old europe"10:49
moontiger6yrs has been too long10:49
kleisthe he10:49
kleistso you're actually from Spain?10:49
moontigerenglish ... from london ... but i travel10:49
kleistthe states have changed much lately, i'm afraid10:49
moontigerlived in cape town, chicago, new york, san francisco, madrid, milan and a few others10:50
kleistparanoia everywhere10:50
moontigeryes it sucks10:50
* moontiger wants obama to win10:50
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doc|homeobama, mccain, no difference10:50
moontigeryes there is10:50
doc|homebesides colour, which really is nothing to base an election off10:50
jagernothello: how do i get the 2gb internal flash memory card? to be mounted inside n810? thanks10:50
doc|homenothing important10:50
bef0rdred red wine10:51
moontigerdoc|home, i completely disagree10:51
doc|homeneither are going to end the war on terror, neither have *any* clue about the economy10:51
bef0rdjagernot, it sould be mounted by default always10:51
moontigerbut im way to tired to have that discussion now10:51
doc|homeboth voted for fisa, both voted for bailout. Screw them both.10:51
jagernotbef0rd: i dont see it at all :(10:51
moontigerahhhhhhhhh well ur right there10:51
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bef0rdunless you plugit in on your computer10:51
moontigerthen i agree with you10:51
moontigernsa wiretap is outrageous ... bail out also10:52
moontigerplus may other thngs they both ok'd10:52
doc|homesee, same on anything important10:52
bef0rdjagernot, is it a new device?10:52
jagernotbef0rd: yes bought it yesterday10:52
moontigerthats why im leaving10:52
moontigeri had enough10:52
doc|homereally, who gives a crap about abortion, or healthcare, it's not like the government can even afford to pay for healthcare any more than people10:52
moontigerim sick of faith based pilitics10:53
moontigerpolitics too10:53
moontigeranyways its late here and im tired10:53
moontigeroff to bed for me10:53
moontigerthnx kleist  :)10:53
moontigernight doc|home10:53
kleisthave fun over here10:53
doc|homenight moontiger10:53
kleisttake care10:53
moontigerbe in spain soon ... dec 1st i leave here10:54
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jagernothello i got my n810 yesterday, i am trying to get the 2gb internal card show up in n810 itself. any ideas? thanks.11:01
bef0rdhey jagernot11:04
bef0rddo you have a computer near?11:04
bef0rdduh obviously you do11:04
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bef0rddoes the internal card shows up when you plug the n810?11:04
bef0rdthe card should appear on the file manager as 'internal memory card'11:08
bef0rdif it's not appearing on the n810 nor the computer it could be a problem with the file system, you might need to repartition it11:09
bef0rdI would check for errors on /var/log/message11:09
jagernotwell now i have another problem11:10
qwerty12Hmm, should I compile against libncurses or libncursesw?11:10
jagernotmy n810 wont power on :(11:10
qwerty12(for the tablet)11:10
bef0rdjagernot, is it on a reboot cycle, or not even turning on?11:10
jagernoti thought the battery has run out but i plug the charger and the charging light isnt coming up either :(11:13
zapqwerty12: libncursesw should be Unicode or something like that11:17
qwerty12zap: Ah, ok, thanks11:18
zapqwerty12: libncurses5 which is installed by default on tablet contains only libncurses.so11:18
qwerty12I'll stick to libncurses5 then, thanks11:18
qwerty12(Though, cfdisk is looking better with the one linked to libncursesw. Though that could be because that one is from util-linux-ng)11:19
jagernotmy tablet wont turn on...what should i do.. :(11:21
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qwerty12Ah, I started one without full screen mode and the other with full screen. Ah well, cfdisk is ready to be uploaded to extras.11:21
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* Stskeeps pokes the coffee machine12:18
qwerty12The coffee machine retaliates by spraying Stskeeps with coffee12:18
Stskeepsheh, yeah.. those mornings12:19
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* qwerty12 would like to know where my e2fsprogs build went :p12:20
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Stskeepsqwerty12: scary fact - powerlaunch/powered compiled with only 1-2 changes on deblet12:40
Stskeepsdidn't run yet though12:40
qwerty12Stskeeps: Nice, hehe. I'll probably switch to powerlaunch when all the bugs are ironed out12:41
qwerty12(the mpd pocket mode pwns)12:41
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* qwerty12 finally got parted & cfdisk in diablo & chinook extras-devel. sfdisk haters, knock yourself out. I'll attempt work on "css-adblocking"13:04
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Stskeepsone less dependancy i guess13:07
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Stskeepsqwerty12: is it built in extras-devel yet?13:15
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qwerty12Stskeeps: In extras, I guess you mean. No, I haven't promoted it yet.13:15
Stskeepsno, i meant extras-devel :P13:16
Stskeepsbut it is, just checked13:16
qwerty12Lol, of course :P. free stuff always goes to extras-devel first :)13:16
Stskeepsqwerty12: works great13:16
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qwerty12Cool, thanks13:17
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Stskeepsi'll pull my cfdisk hack then13:18
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Stskeepsif you manage to enter roxterm too i'd be delighted ;)13:22
qwerty12K, I'll see what I can do.13:23
Stskeepsyou should really set up a donation paypal :P13:23
qwerty12I usually do stuff with stuff that other people have put out for free, it would be immoral taking money :)13:24
Stskeepsoh, donations are for donations, not paying for your stuff ;)13:25
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Stskeepsqwerty12: the main problem about maemo porting is the fact that gtkmm is significantly sized down and such isn't it?13:27
Stskeepslike, --enable-api-properties=no  and such13:27
Stskeepsi wonder if there would be porting interest in having a mm with more properties => easier porting13:28
qwerty12Stskeeps: I wouldn't know tbh, I'm more of a straight compiler :/.13:28
qwerty12Though it would be nice to have some newer libs :)13:28
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Stskeepsoh that's neat, parted takes commands on command line13:28
VDVsxqwerty12, thanks for the help on ITT, gonna try your solution :)13:30
qwerty12VDVsx: No problems, hope it works for you! I'm really liking the look of your program :)13:30
zapwhat is "DTX" in context of gstreamer DSP plugins?13:33
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zap"Use DTX and send CN frames" - how to understand?13:33
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VDVsxqwerty12_N800, with your solution the system always ask for a passw14:25
VDVsxqwerty12_N800, if I do sudo bluemaemo in the x-terminal, the system ask for a passw14:26
qwerty12_N800it shouldn't do because sudo allowed that program to run w/out a password.14:27
Stskeepswhat about sudo /usr/sbin/bluemaemo or where it is?14:27
VDVsxStskeeps, the same14:28
qwerty12_N800did you run update-sudoers?14:28
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VDVsxqwerty12_N800, yap I put this in postins and make a echo message to be sure that the script exec14:29
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Stskeepsis it in /etc/sudoers? :P14:31
VDVsxStskeeps, /etc/sudoers.d/14:32
Stskeepsyeah, but is it in /etc/sudoers which is the result of update-sudoers? :P14:32
VDVsxStskeeps, ah ok14:34
VDVsxStskeeps, no, so the problem is in the update :D14:35
* lcuk has a sore head :(14:38
* Stskeeps passes lcuk bacon14:38
* lcuk laughs then spreads the cold bacon strips across his forehead14:39
fnordianslip_lcuk: cooked or raw?14:39
lcukwell raw obviously, you wouldnt see me puttin cooked bacon on my head would you?14:40
mavhcno, that would be crazy14:40
fnordianslip_thought so.  BTW, can i change to a fixed width font in the liqbase reader?14:40
lcuktechnially yes, but says it all14:41
fnordianslip_ah.  tnx.14:41
lcukbackground system works with it, and i used to have a command line param, but i hated that and no1 has asked for a couple of months (until you)14:42
fnordianslip_hm.. it doesn't actually say very much.  just like reading RFCs in it, but the ASCII images are wonky14:43
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lcukok, put a line of the itt thread or just say there "i want font selection to include fixed width fonts"14:43
fnordianslip_still, liqbase is very, very cool, so I can live with it14:44
fnordianslip_will do.14:44
lcukthis morning i probably wont remember too much, ive got a throbbin headache and feel dire14:44
fnordianslip_well done.  that's the way saturdays should be.14:44
lcukdifferent reason thou, i could cope with a hangover, this is migraine14:45
lcukm mmm14:45
lcuki just entered some nokia innovator competition, they said it was open for all kinds of apps and platforms, but they rejected my .deb \@/14:46
lcuki uploaded a file called "empty_file.py14:46
VDVsxqwerty12_N800, Stskeeps , thanks for the help, it works now :)14:47
Stskeepsthis was the reko thing or something from openmoko?14:47
VDVsxStskeeps, yap14:47
Stskeepssounds good, looking forward to seeign it14:47
qwerty12_N800VDVsx, cool, i'm patiently waiting for the deb :)14:47
qwerty12_N800lcuk, to show your hate, upload my :p14:48
VDVsxqwerty12_N800, probably I will release it in a few hours, have to finish a profile yet :)14:49
qwerty12_N800VDVsx, Cool! Thanks  :)14:49
* qwerty12_N800 prepares bluetooth connection to brother's laptop *g*14:49
Stskeeps"this is your computer speaking. give your charger to qwerty12."14:50
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lcukVDVsx, is this your very cool app remote control app thingy14:50
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, lol, probably a few weeks ago :p14:50
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lcuk   <<< my very first maemo app (written in python)14:51
qwerty12_N800nice, what was it intended for?14:52
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lcuki use it whenever we are watchin tv14:52
lcukit drives me batty though, cos its bright white and awful14:52
lcukit needs liqbase theming14:53
lcukbut it works..14:53
VDVsxlcuk, yap, lol14:53
lcukit talks via tcp to a VISUAL BASIC server sitting on my desktop14:53
lcukwhich does highly complex sendkeys upon command and makes mplayer work as expected14:53
* lcuk apologises for swearing14:54
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lcukVDVsx, does yours operate via bt alone, or could it replace that ^14:57
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VDVsxlcuk, all the operations are BT based, because it use the BT profile for bluetooth keyboards and mouses, you want to change BT for other communication,like wifi ?14:59
lcukahhhh ok15:00
lcukthat would still work i assume15:00
lcukthe windows machine i have hear doesnt have bt though15:00
zapbright white actually takes less power on LCD15:00
lcukbut it hurts your eyes15:00
zapblack screen on LCD draws more energy15:00
zapwho cares about eyes, when we talk about battery15:01
lcukpurely asthetic15:01
zapthen use a nice canola-like theme ;)15:01
VDVsxlcuk, it only work with BT, a BT usb cost around 10 € :D15:01
zapor that new SVG-based thingy some guy posted on maemo-devel15:01
lcukmmmm zap, canola isnt as fast as liqbase :)15:01
zapthat SVG-based GUI is python-based15:02
zapright what you need :)15:02
lcukyeah i know what it is15:02
lcukbut svg is heavy15:02
lcukand slow15:02
lcukwe spoke at the summit and have done since15:02
* Stskeeps wonders where his stylus went15:03
lcukits a very interesting thing :) and it will continue to evolve15:03
zapit would be fast if SVG would be hw accelerating :)15:03
zapyes, I liked the demo15:03
lcukzap, my vectors are already perfectly fast enough and i can do anything i want with them15:03
lcukand i can say the same about png and jpeg15:03
zapwell, I mean polygons not vectors15:04
lcukStskeeps, read the top few lines of this
zapsvg is full of polygons and that kind of shit... and they aren't even single-color (most of the time)15:04
Stskeepslcuk: hehe.. just found mine again. even though i think my missus has mine in her car somewhere15:04
Stskeepsthe other one15:05
lcuklol tracy took my 810 out ONCE in the car with her, and she lost the fluffin case on that day15:05
zapthat SVG GUI has the potential to compete with Adobe Flash15:05
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lcukzap, of course it does, theres many potential killers out there for lots of things - but just because someone uses svg to make widgets doesnt mean its gonna replace flash - theres a LOT more to actionscript than just drawing15:07
lcukfor flash replacements, wouldnt microsofts' silverlight be closer15:07
inzlcuk, I tend not to call the people I love "cow"15:08
lcukand i tend not to call her that often either, and certainly never to her face :D :P15:09
zapSVG can contain javascript inside15:09
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zapbut javascript sucks15:09
* qwerty12_N800 could imagine lcuk getting slapped if he did :p15:09
lcukaim off havin a shower anyway, back later15:10
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* inz ponders how a cow can slap, with it's tail?15:12
fnordianslip_the bacon will come off15:12
zapor butter15:14
lcukfnordianslip_, your font thing, thx for posting there15:19
lcukone thing, what about line wrapping15:19
lcuklook on the very first video, i show kinetic text - it uses fixed width font and doesnt wrap line15:20
lcukis that what you expect15:20
fnordianslip_no probs.  thanks for considering it.  the RFCs are pretty well formatted, and the zoom in/out works nicely15:20
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fnordianslip_lcuk: ok.  i see you scrolling through code in the video.  that's why i like 80 char limits on code lines ;-)  the RFCs have some tight guidelines on text formatting, and some even have state machine diagrams in ASCII.  All should be well, at least for my purpose.15:25
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RST38hzap: I have just heard from quite a high level guy at work that JavaScript is the future!15:26
RST38hApparently, a shitload of JavaScript books is being bought and very soon all the software will be programmed in javaScript15:26
lcukfnordianslip_, ok, ill try to find an intuitive way to let you have your cake15:26
fnordianslip_bacon cake?15:27
lcukwell RST38h there was a lot of news recently about javascript optimizations and serious boosts15:27
RST38hlcuk: yea, right =)15:27
lcukthe bacon didn't come off my head in the shower cos i use fixodent15:28
* RST38h remembers the same being said about Java, btw15:28
RST38h"Mighty Java JIT will save us!"15:28
RST38h"And you do not need to allocate any memory - language and its garbgage collector will take care of you!"15:28
lcukis it possible for flies to emerge from a new sealed packet of tobacco?15:28
RST38h(or, if they don't, operating system will by issuing a SIGKILL ;))15:29
Stskeepslcuk: that's from the gum in your hair after the heavy drinking yesterday15:29
RST38hlcuk: yes, if their parents laid eggs there. Happy? ;)15:29
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Stskeepslcuk: .. it's called flavour15:29
kpellcuk: only if they were packed with the tobacco or if the pack wasn't properly sealed :)15:29
lcukit was sealed properly15:29
RST38hThey laid eggs before the tobacco was collected15:30
* qwerty12_N800 misread flies as files >,15:30
lcukbut i opened it about 36h ago and just opened it again and one flew out15:30
lcukbit odd..15:30
kpelflies like their nicotine too15:30
lcukive seen it a couple of times with this baccy15:30
* lcuk changes brand15:30
kpelwise move15:31
lcukBBQ flies15:31
inzlcuk, better quit completely15:31
inzlcuk, you'll code more aggressively for a couple of months or so15:31
Stskeepsand rage on wife and kids, too15:31
kpelyou will put on some weight too.15:32
kpelbut it's all for your good15:32
inzlcuk, slaughtering bugs is more fun than just fixing, right?15:32
lcukhell no, i would get through about half a rage (like in star wars when Han chases storm troopers down corridor) then be pushed back by tracy.  you would see me runnin like forrest gump!15:32
kpelit's not that bad. the first week is hell, then it becomes more manageable.15:33
inz"Stop, Gary, stoooooppppppp!"15:33
lcukinz, nahhh i prefer to try not to include bugs in my packaging15:33
RST38hHow about breeding them in there?15:37
qwerty12_N800zap, if i uninstall bash2 (to replace it with your bash3), will the shell be set back to busybox's ash?15:37
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* RST38h finally made goddamn piece of MIPS assembly compile BTW15:37
RST38hStill ends up with a core dump but we are working on it =)15:38
StskeepsRST38h: how high is your % of curses vs code for the MIPS stuff now? :P15:39
StskeepsFailed to fetch  401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]15:41
Stskeepsoh come on nokia15:41
qwerty12_N800They don't like you :p15:42
* qwerty12_N800 wgetted it fine15:42
t_s_ohmm, i kinda recall there being a home applet able to show the internal temperature of the tablet, anyone know if its still around?15:42
qwerty12_N800khertan had one too15:42
Stskeeps.. internal?15:42
* qwerty12_N800 also made conky display it too15:43
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t_s_oqwerty12_N800: omweather is kinda bulky for that simple use, and dont allow me to strip away all the rest...15:43
RST38hSts: 1/1015:43
RST38hbut, again, working on it15:44
RST38hSts: OMAP2 has an thermoresistor inside15:44
qwerty12_N800t_s_o, homeinternaltemp, should be in extras15:44
t_s_oqwerty12_N800: i dont see it in app manager...15:45
qwerty12_N800grr, chinook extras then :/15:46
Stskeepsanyone with a 770 who had the "No connections availiable" problem?15:46
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, i've had it on n800 when initfs was mismatched15:47
Stskeepsmm, this is a entire reflash though15:48
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Stskeepswas g_ether part of a standard initfs or how was it?15:49
dim0xffhey everyone!15:49
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, part of initfs15:50
RST38hAnother bunch of idiots:
dim0xffwho can help me to install maemo sdk? I've gotten errors what I can't understand :(15:50
* RST38h asks the great Cthulhu to kill off all the busybodies trumpeting virtual machines15:50
Stskeepsdim0xff: i have odd problems myself making it work too but i'm starting to suspect it's cos i'm apt-getting with amazing speeds15:52
Stskeepsand akamai just filters me15:53
dim0xffamazing speed? too fast or too slow? :))15:53
Stskeepstoo fast15:53
lcukRST38h, nothin technically wrong with virtual machines, however they work best on big iron to allow scaling on demand15:54
* lcuk hits vmware with a big stick15:54
dim0xffmy connection's speed is little slowly =)15:54
Stskeeps133mb in 30 secs :P15:55
RST38hlcuk: Aside from not having a point15:56
dim0xffI have a problem with awk.... "awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument" may be anyone has gotten the same error?....15:56
ccookeActually, virtual machines are an absolute godsend in many uses. Less so in others, of course - like any technology, they're good for somethings.15:56
dim0xffStskeeps, I want it!! :)) I have just 256kbps15:56
ccookeHowever, the article RST38h quoted looks seriously dubious :-)15:57
ccookedim0xff: hmm. Did you use a regex with a grouping construct in it?15:57
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dim0xffI just install sdk... "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev"15:58
ccookeSounds like an awk script that's broken, then - probably something about your particular install it wasn't written to cope with15:58
dim0xffbut this error in  postinstall script: "df -k /dev/shm | tail -1 | awk '{if ( ~ /%/) { print  } else { print  } }'"15:59
dim0xffpackage osso-af-startup_1.66-5_all.deb16:03
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RST38hccooke: I can think if no situation where virtual machines are useful nowadays16:06
RST38hexcept as means to secure funding of course16:06
StskeepsRST38h: Singularity16:07
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RST38hStskeeps: Singularity (noun) - An euphemism for vagina.16:07
ccookeRST38h: Okay. Being careful here... are you defining a VM as something like a virtual server, say, or something like the JVM?16:08
ccookeRST38h: Unfortunately both have the same name :-)16:08
RST38hccooke: Funnily, neither is of any use16:08
RST38hVirtual servers basically solve the Very Important Problem of running multiple copies of IIS on the same machine16:08
RST38hThis Problem is much better solved by moving from Windows to Unix and running multiple copies of Apache16:09
ccookeRST38h: Out of interest, what real-world experience do you have to make this claim?16:09
RST38hccooke: How can you have experience to back a claim that something is of no use?16:09
RST38hIt is a negative statement (like "there is no God") not a positive one16:10
ccookeRST38h: easily!16:10
ccookeRST38h: you can have tried it in real-world environments and be able to say - for each use you tried it - that there was a much better solution.16:10
ccookeand, if people agree with you, then you will have proven your point.16:10
RST38hccooke: Ok, for each use of a VM I have seen so far, there was a better solution.16:10
RST38hHere you go :)16:11
ccookeRST38h: and what were those uses? :-)16:11
RST38hccooke: running multiple web servers on the same hardware16:11
ccookeYes, that is a useless use of VMs if that's your reason to use them16:12
RST38hDo show me some other reason16:12
VeggenRST38h: What if those VMs need a different default route? ;)16:12
ccookeit's inefficient, for a start, since a better web server will not require another full copy of the OS :-)16:12
RST38h[please avoid "running Windows in MacOS" :)]16:12
Veggen(I've had that need)16:12
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ccookeRST38h: I don't personally do that, but it *is* a use and it *is* useful. And there is no alternate solution.16:12
RST38hVeggen: not a big deal, you can configure Unix servers to listen on different interfaces16:13
ccooke(cider is not usable enough and likely never will be)16:13
RST38hccooke: No alternate solution for WHAT?16:13
Stskeepsis there some alternate name for that doesn't use akamai?16:13
ccookeVeggen: On linux, look up iproute2. It's a lovely thing - you can have multiple named routing tables, selecting which one applies by a set of rules with all the power of a stateful firewall.16:14
ccookeRST38h: you said to avoid running windows on OSX. I pointed out that it's a use and avoiding it is an admission that VMs *have* a use ;-)16:14
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Veggenccooke: I know. But two virtual machines with different default route solved my problem on Solaris.16:14
RST38hccooke: Ah, that one...The better solution is to have two computers.16:15
RST38hccooke: You can VNC from Apple to Windows if you want to.16:15
VeggenAnother thing: Easy failover for single-point-of-failure-boxes.16:15
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RST38hVeggen: You are not serious, are you? :)16:15
ccookeRST38h: That's much bulkier. Most of the people who do that, do it on a laptop.16:15
Veggenand...easier server migration.16:16
RST38hI mean, you are running multiple VMs on the SAME box. If it dies...well... :)16:16
ccookeRST38h: carrying around two laptops isn't really viable.16:16
RST38hccooke: Keep the one you do not use often at home and connect remotely.16:16
VeggenRST38h: I have a VM that'll move to another box if the first box dies?16:16
RST38hVeggen: If you first box dies, VM dies with it16:16
ccookeRST38h: Then your "two computer" solution breaks down: VMs allow you to do access both *everywhere*16:16
RST38hVeggen: Unless your VM has magical properties of course16:17
RST38hccooke: Well, for me everywhere is where network access is16:17
RST38hccooke: It has been this way since around 1996, too.16:17
ccookeRST38h: That's all very well, but not everyone is you. What's more, many applications people use will not run well over a remote link.16:17
VeggenRST38h: Sure, but some tasks one can survive downtime for a minute or two..16:17
ccookeRST38h: I'd hate to try video editing over a long-distance rdesktop link!16:18
VeggenRST38h: And there's even systems where it's not supported to run several of them simultaneously.16:18
RST38hVeggen: In this case, I can just start a backup box and I am done16:19
ccookeRST38h: Now, the use of VMs I actually *do* work with - professionally - is server farms.16:19
VeggenRST38h: btw, virtualization also simplifies server migration/upgrades. Even on single-purpose-boxes, we prefer virtualization for that reason alone.16:19
RST38hVeggen: ""not supported to run16:19
RST38h+several of them simultaneously" - here you come to the IIS issue :)16:19
RST38hSo, pretty much the only purpose of a VM is to run multiple copies of IIS because Unix stuff does not care how many copies you run (especially in chroot)16:20
ccookeRST38h: Many of the servers I deal with don't need a full CPUs worht of power but - for security, management, legal or other reasons - must run on physically separate hardware and (often) networks.16:20
VeggenRST38h: I meant in a more complex system. For example database-type things. (sure, can do RAC and clustered DBs and stuff, but you get my meaning)16:20
ccookeRST38h: It saves a vast amount of power and money to have every server as a VM.16:20
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VeggenRST38h: At my place, "I can just start a new backup box" just doesn't cut it ;)16:21
RST38hVeggen: I don't, you can pretty much run multiple db clients on the same cmachine16:21
RST38hAnd running multiple db servers on the same machine is going to turn it into maemo.org16:22
ccookefor instance - at my current employer, we have a large and complex web-based application that requires seven different kinds of server. Most run linux, but some (due to historical reasons) have to be Windows. There's a console app, too, which has a point-and-click windows interface.16:22
VeggenRST38h: ugh. I now meant in more complex environments.16:22
ccookeWe've moved it all into VMs and dropped the power requirement by 60%.16:22
RST38hccooke: Any client who wants security will ask for a separate box16:22
RST38hccooke: The rest can run inside chrooted environments16:22
ccookeRST38h: No.16:22
ccookeRST38h: that is not how it works.16:23
ccookeRST38h: chroot is not secure.16:23
VeggenRST38h: For example the system will only allow one of that kind of DB to run, you can't make redundant pair. So you set up failover-clusters to minimize downtime.16:23
RST38hIf you are telling customers they are getting their own machines and run them inside VMs, you are cheating customers16:23
ccookeRST38h: and it's not always clients who want security16:23
macoute_chroot is far from secure :)16:23
Veggenand no, I didn't mean that the OS doesn't allow it, I meant that the larger system that the DB is part of doesn't allow it.16:23
ccookeRST38h: we don't allow customers to run their own servers on our systems, for a start16:24
RST38hVeggen: Two machines. Otherwise, if your machine fails, it takes both VMs16:24
Stskeeps <- this is one of the best comments for a maemo bug16:24
VeggenRST38h: sure, two machines.16:24
macoute_RST38h: most server farms nowadays are vm:s, due to easier management16:24
ccookeRST38h: not all security is applied by clients, you know. Sometimes, companies want to secure their *own* systems.16:24
macoute_although they claim to be true servers16:24
ccookeVeggen: three as a minimum, I'd usually say :-)16:24
VeggenRST38h: But we migrate the full VM instead of just the application on failover.16:24
Veggen*much* simpler :)16:24
RST38hccooke: If you are the one applying security, you will be managing the boxes16:24
RST38hNo need for VMs - it is unrtelated16:25
RST38hAll right, have to go do some chores16:25
VeggenRST38h: oh, one can always manage without, but it makes a lot of things simpler.16:25
ccookeRST38h: Different VMs running on the same hypervisor are as good as physically separate16:25
ccookeRST38h: We run three levels of security. Levels one and two are fine with VMs on the same host, level 3 requires the VMs to be in different host clusters.16:26
ccookeThat's good practice.16:26
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kebomixFree programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here
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Stskeepskebomix: you should probably be aware that this is a publically logged channel so if you don't want attention by copyright people, this probably isn't the place :)16:43
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* lcuk goes and reads a deadtree book16:57
lcukbefore i do, who has a jaiku account, and how do i get one16:58
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lcukoh shit! i fail at being human17:03
lcuki can't seem to pass a turing test :(17:03
Stskeepstoo much beer?17:03
Stskeepsi've once been so hungover i forgot how to code17:03
Stskeepshad no idea what to type and what it said on screen17:03
lcukno, twitter captcha is unreadable17:04
lcukive tried about 30 and they all remain crappy17:04
macoute_i once forgot my password (which i use ~everywhere with slight modifications) for 2 days17:04
lcukonly 2 days?17:04
lcukthat does sound more like drink induced memory lapse ;)17:05
lcukyou should use liqbase instead of your unreliable brain17:05
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macoute_lcuk: it seems a pretty ok app17:16
macoute_though it crashes all the time :)17:16
macoute_lcuk: i get TTF error while opening font17:18
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lcuksend me the log please17:20
macoute_thats an log from "read a book"17:22
lcukwhere have you sent it?17:25
macoute_wait a sec17:26
macoute_i have some problems sending it :)17:26
lcukit shouldnt actually have a problem with anything - especially if you managed to get far enough in to read a book (same font, only difference is size..), if it was a missing font ttf problem it should bail right at the start17:27
macoute_i dont even get to open a book17:28
macoute_it crashes right after choosing Read a book17:28
macoute_claws cant send a message...17:28
macoute_lets try with modest, then :)17:29
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macoute_i didnt know that my smtp-port is blocked here17:32
macoute_now it went away (maybe even twice)17:32
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lcukmacoute_, ahhhh you are running the oldest playtest binary arent u17:35
lcukor something similar17:35
macoute_lcuk: the only i got from your webisite?17:35
lcukget the latest .deb from
macoute_oh, ok :)17:35
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lcukthe menus you have are all the flat colored ones arent they17:35
lcuki think i need to cleanup where all the links go, i didnt realise the old stuff was still available so cleanly17:36
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lcukhiya mek17:36
Mekhi lcuk17:36
cars__I'm still having trouble connecting a USB keyboard to the N810 in Diablo.  It worked fine in Chinook,so I know the cables are good, but I can't get the old usb control program to install - it says it's incompatible.  My laptop's down and I really need to type a paper.17:41
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lcukmacoute_, is that version any better for you?17:45
lcukand thanks for reminding me to cleanup the files17:45
cars__I can't practicality use the built- in keyboard as it took me three minutes to type that small paragraph above.  Any help would be appreciated. :)17:46
lcukcars__, i havent tried usb keyboard since an initial investigation17:46
qwerty12_N800cars__, as root: echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode17:46
lcuki believe you can setup the usb host mode with just an echo command, but not sure on specifics17:46
lcukright on cue qwerty12_N800 :D17:47
qwerty12_N800hehe :D17:47
cars__thanks very much, qwerty12_N800 :)  And to get it back so I could connect it to the computer?17:48
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qwerty12_N800echo otg > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode :)17:48
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EgSis there a arora package somewhere? (the browser based on Qt webkit)17:50
macoute_lcuk: yah, that one is surely working and looking good17:53
lcukthought it was a bit odd :)17:53
macoute_buthow do you do notes? by drawing only?17:53
cars__Thanks again, qwerty12_N800 :)17:53
qwerty12_N800No problems :)17:53
macoute_and is there a pdf-support for books?17:53
lcukyes, its a touch screen :)17:53
cars__there is.17:54
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lcukno macoute_ txt only for now, it suits my personal requirements and ive got so many other things to do i cant invest time to become a pdf wiz (like many other things).   (replace pdf with many of the other things I've done as proof of concept for now)..17:55
lcuki would love to expand on everything, but its a fulltime job for a whole team of people let alone little old me17:56
* lcuk accepts patches17:57
macoute_yeah. i think that app should get some more devs to really make it "ready" as it seems to be a really good app. and fast, too17:57
lcukits ready for now, what i wanted to show was the core concepts of a usable touchscreen device.  i think yesterday and today are the first days ive not actually opened a code window17:58
macoute_yeah, the touchscreen functionality is something that nokia should see themselves as its working better than the original ;)17:58
macoute_(eg. the multitouch)17:59
lcuki will be pushing it to extras in a few days as soon as im happy theres no serious glitches and then try to find a way to get more help and time to develop it all further17:59
macoute_yeah. pdf (or other) support would be great. maybe the authors of fbreader could help?18:00
lcuki certainly think im on the right track with everything in it, as I said in the videos, im happy with it so far.18:00
macoute_you should be18:00
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lcukmacoute_, fbreader handles a lot of other things and i would certainly like to bring fbreaders knowledge and skills into it18:00
macoute_but of course, more functionality would be great18:00
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macoute_lcuk: have you been in touch with them18:00
lcukim still not sure that liqbase itself can handle everything required for fbreader, but its worth looking18:00
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Stskeepsqwerty12: does flasher overwrite CAL?18:00
qwerty12Stskeeps: Not the linux one to my knowledge but the windows one does18:01
lcukmacoute_, not formally and to be honest i dont know how to start, but at this time its still very much a work in progress18:01
macoute_ :O18:02
cars__That's an awesome program, macoute_ .18:02
lcukoh no18:03 has been hacked :P18:03
cars__Oh no!18:03
macoute_though the site does work18:03
macoute_only the frontpage doesnt18:03
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macoute_ for example18:03
lcukmacoute_, yeah i know where they are, look here
lcukread my comment at the end18:04
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lcuktheres a lot more to do - fbreader is a generic multiplatform app with users from lots of places, our platform isnt that big18:04
lcuki cannot just assume that i know everything and can put it in place, i think someone from our community could look at integrating and then if it works suggest a patch to both ends18:05
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whodathrmph.. i can do ¥ ^ € £ on this keyboard but no pgup pgd tab esc... very odd18:05
lcukmacoute_, believe me, ive thought long and hard about it, and something will come with time :)18:06
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macoute_lcuk: yeah. i too think that this is something that should get a higher priority18:08
macoute_and one man isnt enough, i think :)18:08
lcukyeah :) give it time18:08
lcuki see enough cogs turning to know im on the right track18:09
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Nearly finished with roxterm, I just need to tweak the package a bit before I upload18:12
Stskeepsqwerty12: sounds good18:12
cars__whodat, which keyboard is that?  The built-in one?18:13
Stskeepsthen it's only zenity left, and then deblet installer and bootmenu :P18:14
Stskeepsbut i shouldn't upload bootmenu without fanoush's approval18:14
cars__whodat, I *think* you might be able to use a keymapping utility to change the function of that.  I think I read it somewhere.18:15
macoute_Stskeeps: they arent GPL?18:15
macoute_i cant see license over there18:15
qwerty12~lart fucking nautilus18:15
* infobot beats fucking nautilus into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy18:15
lcukheh qwerty12 you wouldn't have this problem with windows explorer :D18:16
cars__whodat, I know that at least one of the keys that should exist, Tab, is available through the Chr button.18:16
Stskeepsmacoute_: there's also something called social behaviour18:16
whodatcars__ : that would be cool! will have to look into that.18:17
qwerty12lcuk: Dunno about that, I once installed some dodgy shell extensions that made explorer crash when I right clicked :P.18:17
lcukdodgy shell extensions? you mean you upgradedto vista?18:17
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qwerty12nah, all this was in xp :p18:17
macoute_Stskeeps: surely, but license is a license, isnt it? if you publish something as GPL, you give others the right to do everything GPL allows.18:17
macoute_but as i said, i cant see the license18:17
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lcukmacoute_, have you noticed i put the license directly inside liqbase as a viewable option :)18:18
cars__whodat, I know there's a utility on desktop distros that allows you to change things.  It might be xmodmap.18:18
macoute_lcuk: yeah, i noticed and value that :)18:18
Stskeepsmacoute_: yeah, but taking someone who's a big player in maemo hacks's software from a devel branch and put it in maemo repository is kinda bad form without involving him :)18:18
lcukthat part i agree with - especially if its in progress18:19
macoute_Stskeeps: i actually disagree, though of course informing him is a must.18:19
qwerty12Stskeeps: Well, I'm happy now :). I removed extra unneeded debian crud. That must be why I repacked last time :). I'll just shove an Maemo-Icon-26 on it and upload18:19
macoute_as i can for sure put his app (IF its gpl) to my site too.18:20
lcuktechnically its not a must, its just not the done thing, im glad people have respected my wish so far not to push a package to extras until im ready18:20
Stskeepsmacoute_: yes, ofcourse, license allows it but social consequences :)18:20
Stskeepsespecially if people start using it actively, it's suddenly out of his hands18:21
macoute_Stskeeps: there could be problems with that of course, but actually, if he publishes under some copyleft (or alike) he actually permits it already18:21
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macoute_but you are correct of course that without his permission it could cause some problems18:21
lcuksoftware takes time to bake and whipping things from key chefs errr developers before its ready leads to upset stomachs ;)18:23
* qwerty12 tries out that maemo_package_icons. I can't be arsed to base64 encode an png myself and then format it correctly for the control file.18:23
peteblackhi, anyone possibly have a or know how to get a RX-48 image, like RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?18:24
lcukpeteblack, have you tried using the flasher software on your new device?18:25
lcukthe windows one especially - it tries to automatically download the correct image from nokias site18:25
peteblacklcuk, yes, if finds the image, downloads it but then fails18:25
peteblackit might be that my hardware version doesn't match18:25
lcukthis si for a wimax device isnt it?18:25
peteblackso i'm looking to do it manually18:25
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lcukbecause its brand new, it might be an idea to contact nokia themselves to see why its failing18:26
lcukthe only image i have is for none wimax device so would be wrong18:26
peteblackyeah, tried that, but they don't seem to interested in helping out, might try again today18:26
lcukhave you been onto the tablets-dev page and entered your wlan id thing and checked if its listed there?18:27
lcukie this:   (but im not sure what code you need for the wimax version)18:27
peteblackyeah, so i apparently have an pre-production version, where nokia support have confirmed that the id points to finland18:28
peteblackso whenever i enter it on tablets-dev i get a wrong id18:28
peteblackhave you possibly seen any RX-48 images there?18:28
lcukno, i last flashed a few months ago, since you have a pre-production model you may have tostep backwards through to your nokia contact to get an update18:30
peteblackyes, i'm trying to do that as well18:30
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peteblacki don't know the person personally, and he/she is not there at the moment18:31
peteblacksolarion, im a bit stuck...18:31
lcukmight i ask, how did you get your hands on a pre-prod model anyway18:31
peteblacki got it from a friend who did some work for nokia18:32
peteblackit would be if i could get the device re-flashed :)18:32
macoute_btw. have any of you tried the "tube" phone from Nokia?18:32
Pavlovthink those are supposed to be returned to nokia ;)18:32
peteblackoh yea, how would i find out?18:33
qwerty12I sure as hell wouldn't if I had one :P18:33
lcukheh qwerty18:33
lcukand thats why they will never send you one :P18:33
qwerty12true true :P18:33
Stskeepspeteblack: why do you need a reflash anyway?18:33
lcukright im off18:34
qwerty12see ya lcuk18:34
peteblackStskeeps, the firmware on it was horribly old and the SSU was not working18:34
lcukback later guys, and hopefully my head will be back in a coding frame, i feel a bit useless with stuff to do and the wrong head on18:34
Stskeepspeteblack: ah18:34
peteblackStskeeps, also , i'm a developer and i will eventually break this thing ;)18:35
lcukif it aint broke, dont try to fix it18:35
cars__But that takes all the fun out of it.18:35
qwerty12if it aint broke, pimp it up18:35
lcuk... until you break it, then fix it18:36
Stskeepspeteblack: could always query on iTT18:36
peteblackqwerty12 got it right~18:36
Stskeepsyou wouldn't be the first with a preprod18:36
Stskeepsof anything18:36
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peteblackStskeeps, i did, and i don't think i am18:36
peteblackweird that no one has ever seen any RX-48 images around18:37
Stskeepsi don't think most people have gotten rx-48s yet18:37
qwerty12peteblack: images don't really get leaked :/. With the diablo leaked, it was people flashing chinook first and then upgrading by basically ssu18:37
infobotqwerty12 meant: peteblack: images don't really get leak :/. With the diablo leaked, it was people flashing chinook first and then upgrading by basically ssu18:37
qwerty12stupid bot18:37
peteblackqwerty12, ah, right, thanks18:38
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peteblackwell i did manage to break it and get it back by chopping up an old RX-44 image, but this is no longer an option18:39
Stskeepscould always install deblet and start hacking on that since your tablet isn't supported obviously :P18:39
Stskeepslike, won't be by nokia18:40
peteblackheh, either that or android18:40
qwerty12the android sucks on the tablet18:40
peteblackoh yeah?18:40
* qwerty12 = diablo kernel patch porter for android :P18:40
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qwerty12It's based on the old sdk, I don't know if it runs any of the newer programs18:41
peteblackPavlov, if you don't mind me asking, where did you hear that nokia want's the pre-prods back?18:41
peteblackqwerty12, ah, i see18:42
peteblackmight be worth a try though18:42
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qwerty12Stskeeps: roxterm sent to chinook & diablo extras-devel builder18:45
Stskeepsqwerty12: fantastic18:45
* qwerty12 now gets on with setting up haiku in vmware, being a long time beos fan :)18:45
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Stskeepsqwerty12: where is it you see progress again for builder?18:46
qwerty12 - I just look here18:46
qwerty12keep refreshing :p18:46
qwerty12Note: When it says package OK, it still takes time for it to transfer to extras-devel :P18:47
qwerty12And my chinook build failed :)18:47
qwerty12Lemme fix that...18:47
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qwerty12Stskeeps: - I was bored :p19:06
peteblackqwerty12, is the 0xFFFF initfs you have at still good?19:07
qwerty12peteblack: That's not an initfs but rather an 0xFFFF binary that runs in initfs :/19:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: uhoh19:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: better not be in extras ;)19:07
qwerty12lol, no, that's my installed apps :P. The point is the display name and icon if you want it :p. little cosmetic stuff19:08
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peteblackqwerty12, got it, are there any version limitations?19:09
peteblackfor the binary that is19:09
qwerty12peteblack: shouldn't be, it was compiled statically19:09
peteblackok, thanks19:09
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, any chance you feel like compiling flite direct from source and seeing what happens?19:11
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: From the source that is in the chinook repo or from upstream?19:12
GeneralAntillesThere's no source in Chinook.19:12
GeneralAntillesI talked to gnuite and, apparently, he doesn't have the source so he can't upload it to Diablo Extras.19:12
GeneralAntillesWhich sounds a bit bizarre to me.19:12
qwerty12I swear flite used to be in some repo19:13
GeneralAntillesIt was in Chinook Extras19:13
GeneralAntillesjust not with source.19:13
qwerty12Do you know if gnuite made any modifications on it?19:14
lcuk :D bacon-henge19:14
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, not a clue.19:14
qwerty12ok :)19:14
GeneralAntillesSo I was just gonna get you to compile it straight and see what happens. ;)19:15
* GeneralAntilles still needs to talk to lardman.19:18
* qwerty12 twiddles thumbs while it does its stuff.19:18
lcukheh GeneralAntilles19:21
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, "get it up" . . .19:21
lcuki am in code right now19:21
lcuk17:13 18/10/2008GBreverted sketch resolution changes due to over enthusiastic tweak - some resolutions of sketch combined with different resolutions caused it to draw too heavily on some screens19:22
lcuksee, real change logs, im BUSY!19:22
lcukGeneralAntilles, really wont be long, i have 2 things to do :)19:23
qwerty12FFS, compiling flite throws warnings like a bitch19:23
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* Stskeeps watches the warnings eat qwerty12 19:25
* GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Archos 5 vs. iPhone vs. N810 browser comparison.19:26
Stskeepsthey should make a demo with tear+n810 or something :P19:26
Stskeepsif tear is half as good as midori on deblet..19:26
* Jaffa ouches19:27
Stskeepsrough weekend, jaffa?19:27
JaffaBeen laying Cat5 in various rooms whilst they've been empty and swapping furniture around19:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: diablo roxterm built fine. I've reuploaded roxterm to chinook builder which should build this time because I uploaded libvte-dev too19:29
GeneralAntillesSo far, nobody reporting the story seems to realize the Archos 5 has a CPU several lightyears ahead of the ones in the others.19:29
JaffaGeneralAntilles: to an extent, *why* it's faster isn't as important as the the fact it *is*19:34
Jaffa(to end-users etc)19:34
cars__GeneralAntilles, I just took a very brief look at it, and the Archos looks interesting, though it's probably not as hackable as the Nokia tablets.  But it has to be either huge or suck battery life with the hard drives, etc.19:34
GeneralAntillesIt's huge19:35
GeneralAntillesIt also tells you to buy accessories while you're using it.19:35
cars__Not exactly pocketable?19:35
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: wife in the pocket, eh?19:35
GeneralAntillesIt's pocketable enough, I suppose.19:35
GeneralAntillesBut it's significantly bigger than the tablets.19:36
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, likely, but the reports all seem baffled as to why the Archos 5 is faster.19:37
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, likely, but the reporters all seem baffled as to why the Archos 5 is faster.19:37
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Sargun_ScreenI love my N810.19:39
Stskeeps.. my precioussss n800.19:39
cars__Yeah, it's not perfect, but it gets a lot of things right.19:39
Sargun_ScreenIts currently the best tablet PC I've tried19:40
Stskeepsand it's not even a tablet pc19:40
Stskeepsjust a tablet19:40
Sargun_ScreenI mean internet tablet.19:40
aquatixit's a very personal computer to me though :)19:40
Sargun_ScreenI've tried OQO, a few PocketPCs, Palm19:40
macoute_i dont even know of any other tablets :)19:41
macoute_so it surely is the best one19:41
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: - The library sure as hell aint lite though...19:42
cars__I like it better than my Thinkpad X61T.  Although the X61 can do more, the n810 is simply more handy..19:42
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aquatixcars__: can i have your x61?19:43
cars__I can pull it out of my pocket and people are amazed when I start doing "computer" stuff with it.19:43
aquatixheh, yeah :)19:44
* aquatix loves his n810 too19:44
* Stskeeps wonders about a comment qqil made19:45
cars__aquatix, it's currently in for service - Vista screwed the whole thing up, so the first thing that goes on it when I get it back is a debian-based distro.19:45
Stskeeps"Alignment and collaboration with Debian (let me add Ubuntu Mobile here as well, without getting into details) is in my opinion an essential step forward."19:45
Stskeepsi wonder if fremantle is mojo handhelds based19:45
Stskeepsi mean, with upstart and all that stuff on the maemo summit19:45
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JaffaAnd the Canonical guy talking about NDAs he'd signed with Nokia about the tablets19:46
Jaffaand his comment of "watch this space in 6-8 months"19:46
Stskeepsi would actually welcome that move tbh19:47
Stskeepsbecause it reduces some of the maemo insanities19:47
JaffaIndeed, let OS specialists handle packaging and (open) infrastructure. Nokia can concentrate on "differentiation"19:47
GeneralAntillesWish they'd actually talk about it.19:47
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: maybe we could bait qqil in the maemo on pandora threa19:48
qwerty12Stskeeps: roxterm is now in extras-devel for chinook & diablo19:50
* Stskeeps removes from deblet repo19:50
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aquatixcars__: ah :)19:51
aquatixsorry to hear of the screwage, but debian-based distro's are nice imho19:51
malikul_qwerty12: were you the master who was able to compile the rt73 wifi driver with packet inject?19:51
qwerty12malikul_: Nope, I compiled some other realtek driver for someone :)19:52
malikul_qwerty12: hum I was checking out the threads and I aircrack-ng to function. Wont see the external wifi card.19:53
malikul_sorry I cannot get aircrack-ng19:54
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cars__aquatix, Part of the problem was a windows update marked my computer as not genuine and I spent five hours convincing Microsoft I was not a criminal.  Once they believed me, they told me they couldn't help me.   I used to dabble in Linux as a hobby, but that has convinced me to use it as a primary OS.19:55
Stskeepsqwerty12: cfdisk was in extras in chinook?19:55
aquatixcars__: ouch19:55
qwerty12Stskeeps: extras-devel19:56
Stskeepsdidn't even know that existed actually19:56
aquatixcars__: reminds me of a reinstall i did of my gf's laptop with a genuine windows key and cd, which where refused19:56
aquatixso now she's running xubuntu ;)19:56
qwerty12You people must have some bad luck. I've used cracked copies with windows marking it as genuine...19:56
aquatixqwerty12: actually, i phoned mickeysoft and got an unlock code after typing in a lot of numbers that the program generated19:57
aquatixbut she still likes xubuntu better19:57
aquatixnice games and such ;)19:58
cars__MS and all the other companies using a guilty until proven innocent scheme are just shooting themselves in the foot.19:58
aquatixand i don't do illegal windows stuff anymore since i discovered Free and better alternatives many years ago19:58
aquatixcars__: yeah :/19:58
* Stskeeps has 3-4-5 legal XP licenses from msdnaa19:58
malikul_I have legal versions of windows but when you do work with VM's it is a pain to be legal. Easier to pirate the legal versions19:59
qwerty12My windows xp mce & vista are legal being hp oem copies but in my vista, I have some components copied from ultimate and unlimited incoming connections which breaks the eula19:59
aquatix unlimited incoming connections?20:00
* GeneralAntilles doesn't understand how people put up with it.20:00
aquatixGeneralAntilles: me too20:00
cars__I assume MS has in their EULA that they don't want you to use a VM to run what they call an OS, too.20:00
qwerty12aquatix: "LanServer NoConnectionLimit Vista.7z"20:00
aquatixqwerty12: yeah, but... a connection limitation on an OS?20:01
* aquatix doesn't have any of the 12 Vista versions20:01
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qwerty12aquatix: Yeah, for sure! You have to patch to get it to allow more than 10 half-open connections (a security "feature" introduced from xp sp2) and the eula says you cant have more than 10 connections because more than 10 connections makes your vista workstation a server and they want you to pay more for windows server 2007 ;(20:02
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cars__I have 2GB of RAM on the X61, aquatix, and even when Vista was working, it was sluggish.20:02
aquatixanother wtf, but one i already heard of20:03
aquatixmy pc might even run vista, it having 8GB of ram and a recent dual-core processor20:03
aquatix(ram is *cheap* ;) )20:04
* aquatix gets more pizza20:04
qwerty12After disabling shitty services, home premium runs fine and fast on a comp with 2gb ram and an old dual core20:04
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cars__qwerty12, that's probably what's helping to slow me down.  I found it was defragging my SD card in the background and using up 70% of the CPU while I was playing a game.20:07
cars__It was probably indexing it at the same time, too.20:08
qwerty12cars__: ouch. Yeah, my hard drive activity was a lot. I disabled the indexing service (*never* used it, even from xp) and installed a windows version of locate20:08
ccookethe idea of defragging an SD card... argh20:10
aquatixqwerty12: myeah, but why should someone even have to bother tweaking his or her consumer OS to run fine on their new laptop/pc?20:11
* aquatix still thinks it's odd20:11
aquatixapple does it way better, for example20:11
cars__ccooke, I know.  It's pointless.  And to do it automatically, like it's helping me slow down my computer.  At the very least, wait for the CPU load to become idle for a while before starting something like that.20:11
ccookecars__: it's worse than pointless, it's destructive20:12
qwerty12aquatix: It's true, I'm not going to argue with you there. XP was better in that respect, I did think it faster than windows 2000 when I used to use that20:12
aquatixcars__: so it not only slows down your pc when you don't want it, it destroys your property too?20:12
aquatixwin2k was slow in booting20:12
cars__aquatix, yes, that's right.20:12
aquatixwinxp still is, but conceals it :)20:12
ccookeaquatix: Not very well :-)20:12
qwerty12aquatix: Heh, win2k bootscreen is my favourite out of all of them :P.20:13
ccookeaquatix: the way you can't do anything for anything up to a few minutes after you first start it is kind of a give-away :-)20:13
aquatixbut i don't want to start some flame war; people should use the OS they are happy with - if they aren't happy, they shouldn't complain, but do something about it though20:13
cars__ccooke, it's enough to fool my mother.  She tries using the computer immediately after she sees the desktop.  She wonders why nothing loads.20:13
aquatixccooke: 'xactly ;)20:14
aquatixcars__: that's what a lot of people have20:14
malikul_well 12 more days till ubuntu 8.10 comes out!20:15
qwerty12That reminds me, to backup my ssh & gpg keys, do I just copy ~/.gnupg & ~/.ssh?20:16
aquatixshould be enough, yes20:17
aquatixdon't sue me, but that was enough for me in the past :)20:17
qwerty12Hehe, I'll have to do it anyway :). Otherwise X-Fade will kill me if I lose them again :p20:18
malikul_if they are old keys make sure you regen then20:18
malikul_big flaw that made brute force easy was discovered20:18
aquatixdepends on how old20:19
qwerty12Oh, no, these keys were generated after debian put out the fixed openssh :)20:19
* aquatix had even older keys that where perfectly fine20:19
malikul_well then yeah your .ssh and .gnupg folders should contain everything you need20:19
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melmothohhh, j avais pas utilise Wall20:27
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Stskeepsany of you with ext3 + SD clone?20:47
Stskeepsi just noticed tune2fs -O dir_index & e2fsck -fD as a possible directory speedup :P20:48
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GeneralAntillesYes, Ext3 here.20:53
Stskeepscos it's not enabled when mkfsing normally20:53
_gasnik_Skocz mi ty chuju!20:53
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_gasnik_Skocz mi ty chuju!20:55
Stskeeps.. what?20:55
GeneralAntilles_gasnik_, English-only channel.20:55
_gasnik_this is "hi" in polish20:56
Stskeepsnot halo? :P20:56
kpelthat chuju scared me for a moment :P20:56
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_gasnik_Skocz mi ty chuju!20:57
Stskeepswhy repeating it?20:57
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_gasnik_because i'm good boy ;D20:57
aquatix_gasnik_: please don't swear :)20:59
yacoobBo to dziecinne.21:00
_gasnik_english please21:00
aquatix_gasnik_: you started ;)21:00
_gasnik_but it's only hi21:00
yacoob_gasnik_, go troll elsewhere :)21:01
yacoobno, it isn't, and stop playing dumb.21:01
aquatix_gasnik_: according to google it has to do with the male anatomy ;)21:01
_gasnik_no ;D21:02
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_gasnik_not only ;D21:02
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cars__So my first AC adaptor broke and I mistakenly ordered an AC-3U instead of the AC-4U I received with the tablet.  It charges, but it takes about six hours to do so.21:05
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qwerty12_N800cars__, please don't talk to me about chargers :p21:06
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qwerty12_N80000m RST38h21:10
RST38hAnother Fugu Plan:
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* lcuk dances around21:22
qwerty12_N800congrats :D21:22
lcukwell i wasnt gonna let it beat me for another day21:22
lcukits been taunting me for ages21:22
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sp3000"Enable Plugins - Makes websites annoying"21:26
* sp3000 <3 fennec prefs21:26
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* qwerty12_N800 nearly had a heart attack thinking i'd messed up *this* charger. turns out that the gtk icon cache needs rebuilding21:28
sp3000what was the offending package install/remove script this time?21:29
qwerty12_N800well, my tablet restarted during uninstall  of bash2 :/21:30
lcukquestion: liqbase produces a lot of console output, but not all users are able to access and send the data, ive currently added logging to file, but want to remove it and just log to console as usual - is this standard procedure for apps?21:32
Stskeepssend to stderr, yeah21:32
Stskeepsyou'd be surprised what kind of funny crap maemo apps send out21:33
* lcuk has had trouble trying to get users to send logs about spurious unrepeatable errors21:33
lcuki suppose if they cant repeat it then its not really an error21:33
lcukok, logging to file stopping by default :)21:34
Macerldap is a friggin pain21:34
qwerty12_N800w00t, vdvsx released blue maemo21:35
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* Stskeeps goes dl21:37
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aquatixsp3000: :)21:40
aquatixsp3000: i almost installed Fennec, but thought better of it when i saw it needed 26.3MB to install21:40
melmothGRumble. Is there no client xmlrp api in python2.5 for maemo ?21:40
Stskeeps26.3? jesus21:40
aquatixStskeeps: after installing, yeah21:41
aquatix9.3MB of packages21:41
aquatixStskeeps: because of xulrunner i think21:41
aquatixas fennec itself is about 77KB21:42
* qwerty12_N800 would try it if it worked with hildon keyboard21:42
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melmothph, yes, there is one xmlrcp module :)21:46
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, XULRunner21:48
Stskeepswoo: bluemaemo works21:48
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, which is exactly why MicroB doesn't use it. ;)21:49
sp3000yeah, that libxul is 5MB bigger than the microb one21:49
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Macerwell.. i think i'm goign to have to reboot my fbsd server21:59
Macerhow lame :)21:59
Macerall this just so i can set up an auth server22:00
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aquatixsp3000: microb doesn't even have xul i thought?22:08
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sp3000yeah, libxul just happens to be the name of the huge everything goes here library22:13
sp3000(if you build that way; it's faster and stuff iirc)22:14
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whodatis there a port of svgalib to meamos22:19
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lcukstill doesnt use a properly designed theme, but it will ;)22:22
GeneralAntillesYou want me to just do it for you? :P22:22
qwerty12_N800lcuk, grr, i don't have an chr key22:23
lcukheh GeneralAntilles i tried converting to it22:23
lcukjust a mo22:23
qwerty12_N800don't make me recompile :p22:23
RST38hAnyone knows what .cprestore assembler directive does?22:27
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lcuki thought you were the master of asm oh mr ASMOPCODENICKNAME man22:31
lcukin other words i dunno22:31
qwerty12_N800most Russians are masters of asm  :p22:32
* RST38h has no idea what it does although it does look to do something with the stack frame22:34
GeneralAntillesAnybody else get weird text-wrapping with Mozilla's bugzilla?22:37
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GeneralAntillesIt's like the comments element is too thin, so I get browser soft-wrapping plus bugzilla's hard-wrapping22:38
GeneralAntillesreally irritating22:38
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_gregoroviusanybody knows if it's possible to get internet access in my n800 via usb? not via a usb-eth adapter, but via a linux or windows computer with internet access22:44
Stskeeps_gregorovius: linux computer works for sure, windows not so much22:45
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_gregoroviusi'm at a linux comp right now... any links? I didn't find anything in the ITT wiki22:46
qwerty12_N800infobot, usb-networking is
infobotqwerty12_N800: okay22:46
_gregoroviusthanks qwerty12_N80022:47
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Apolinariosois emos o memos????22:49
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llufusk animacion por dios!22:50
llufustanto mensaje me abruma22:50
llufussecundo la mocion22:50
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_gregoroviuscanal equivocado?22:51
_gregorovius"The second part describes how to configure various platforms to use the Nokia tablet as a network device" this seems to be the opposite of what I want22:53
Stskeepsuhm, why?22:55
Stskeepsthe nokia goes out and acts like a ethernet device22:56
lcukhow do i get a pgp key with windows22:56
Stskeepsbut with the only device on it besides the pc22:56
lcukfor uploading to extras22:56
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StskeepsJaffa: some more to the ubuntu mobile thought.. ubuntu got kinda fucked over by moblin moving to fedora22:56
qwerty12_N800lcuk, do it in linux :p. you'll need it to make the source package anyway22:57
Stskeepsso they'd obviously look for a new corporate development partner22:57
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Stskeepsgah. nit-env-hildon play, deblet on beagleboard or movie.22:58
Stskeepsi have beer. each one of them is compatible.22:58
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Stskeepsokay. seemingily i have made a nit-env-hildon base and i have forgotten it.23:01
RST38hSts: Doesn't ubuntu have enough money on its own?23:06
StskeepsRST38h: not sure really :P23:06
Stskeepsmaybe not that targeted developers23:06
_gregoroviusI installed maemo-control. I enable usb networking and set up rules for it in my /etc/network/interfaces, but when plugging it in nothing happens. am I missing something?23:12
lcuk......Not enough random bytes available.  Please do some other work to give......23:12
_gregorovius(modprobe'd usbnet as well)23:13
Stskeepslcuk: worst annoyance about gpg23:13
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woglinde_gregorovius check dmesg output on both devices23:13
lcuk810well im doing as it asks23:13
qwerty12_N800lcuk, what are you generating under?23:13
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woglindegregorovius try manually ifconfig usb0 up on both devices23:13
lcuk810nokia :$23:14
qwerty12_N800ahh, k23:14
woglindegregorovius on host side you could use ifplugd23:14
_gregoroviusdo I need to set up a dummy network or something alike?23:14
_gregoroviusor is the connection manager not involved?23:14
woglindejust be sure the kernel modules are loaded23:14
woglindethen setup interfaces23:15
woglindeturn interfaces on automagicly with ifplugd23:15
woglindeor ifup usb023:15
qwerty12_N800lcuk810, open another terminal and type cd / ; find23:15
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qwerty12_N800should create enough entropy23:15
lcuk810im playin chess23:17
lcuk810and in here23:17
lcuk810and gpsing23:17
_gregoroviusin my main computer I get usb0 up when plugging it in, but it only seems to have an ipv6 assigned, no ipv4 :S23:17
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woglinde_gregorovius yeah because /etc/network/interfaces runs either at start up23:19
woglindeor with ifup usb0 manually23:19
woglindeif you want automagic install ifplugd I hope its the last time I have to explain it23:19
_gregoroviushaha, sorry23:20
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woglinde_gregorovius the auto in interfaces has meaning at boot ime23:20
woglindeups boot time23:20
_gregoroviusI set it up as "iface usb0 inet static"23:21
woglindethats the normal way23:21
woglindebut ifup/down really rocks when you set it up with ifplugd guessnet and wpa_suplicant23:22
_gregoroviusnow I did ifup usb0, and my tablet can ping my comp (and vice versa)23:22
_gregoroviushowever, if I try to open a page in microb, conn23:23
_gregoroviussorry, conn-manager tries to connect to wireless23:23
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woglindesorry I do not know microb23:24
woglindeand yes the maganger suckz about usb net23:24
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qwerty12_N800apt-get install libicd-network-dummy23:24
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lcukError: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key23:25
lcukit says it is :'(23:25
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qwerty12_N800you really don't have a linux computer that this can be done from? i generated mine in linux and it works fine for uploading23:27
qwerty12_N800also gnupg that comes with tablet is retarded version iirc23:27
lcukcrap umm wait a minute lemme try23:28
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_gregoroviusargh, still no internet access23:32
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_gregoroviusI installed libicd-network-dummy. USB now shows up under conn manager, if I select it it says it's connected, but the icon shows as if it weren't connected23:33
lcukDear lcuk,23:34
lcukYou have successfully accepted our invitation. You will shortly receive an email to23:34
woglindelcuk hehe23:34
qwerty12_N800_gregorovius, oh, the icon is like that for dummy connections23:34
_gregoroviusah, wait. dns23:34
lcukthanks qwerty12_N800 that was painful23:34
woglinde_gregorovius dont forget to set the route right23:35
qwerty12_N800lcuk, heh :). hope liqbase makes it in extras!23:35
lcuk-devel first23:35
qwerty12_N800of course23:35
woglindeit will23:36
woglindeI am sure23:36
_gregoroviusadding to resolv.conf on the tablet is enough? is that file persistent on the tablet?23:36
woglindebetter set it in interfaces23:36
lcukcrap! does anyone know if liqbase builds in the x86 scratchbox?23:37
AStormI've a question about hildon input method23:37
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AStormcan the input method app see changes inside a textbox it's bound to?23:38
AStorm(like, cursor move, deletion, insertion)23:38
lcukAStorm, i would imagine it expects to be one way changes23:39
lcukit doesnt expect the text to change from outside while you arei n it23:39
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lcukit may do, but if it was mine i wouldnt code for it23:39
AStormhmm, I mean, you still will be inside23:39
_gregoroviuswoglinde, if I do that, do I need to set up dnsmasq or similar on my host?23:39
AStormmoving a cursor with a pen for example23:39
AStormselecting something23:39
_gregoroviusI'm not really fluent in networking23:39
qwerty12_N800lcuk, iirc, if x86 build can't be done, then it's ignored. *i think*. but you can add lines to debian/rules that do different things depending on arch (e.g for i686,, not yo compile with libxsp etc)23:40
lcukcursor should all be done via the input method itself shouldnt it23:40
lcukoh crap23:40
AStormuhm... well, it's the cursor in the app :)23:40
AStormnot that the im moves it, user moves23:40
lcukahhh you mean the little keyboard - i thought you meant when the fullscreen one came up23:40
woglinde_gregorovius what you know about internet routing and dns?23:41
AStormworkflow: user enters some text with IM, user clicks somewhere in the textbox (im still active) and moves the cursor23:41
lcukshouldnt that one simply fake keypresses23:41
AStormim sees it or not?23:41
qwerty12_N800lcuk, main thing is armel build. check the logs, if it's failed, a reupload is always possible23:41
lcukalright, but i cant sign the .deb i already made can i23:41
lcukive gotta rebuild it23:41
_gregoroviuswoglinde, I know my computer knows my ISP's DNS addresses, and I know it must somehow communicate that to the tablet, or serve as a dns server itself23:42
_gregoroviusI gather the first option is the simplest, but I don't know how to to that23:42
AStormsee, I think IM should get information about cursor and selection changes in the text box23:42
qwerty12_N800lcuk, you make a source package and sign the changes file which is uploaded  and the builder makes a deb23:42
woglindethen think about the solutions23:42
woglindethere is one eays23:42
AStormam I wrong?23:42
lcukive got the source thingy i think ( liqbase_0.0.9.tar.gz ) and the _armel.changes file23:43
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qwerty12_N800sounds good. have you ran debsign on the changes file?23:43
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lcuknot yet, just trying to make sure my .ssh key is on the right machine23:45
lcukright now, itsn ot23:45
_gregoroviuswoglinde, I was going to manually set it up in the tablet, but the USB connection only has options for proxies23:45
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woglindegregorovius edit the interfaces file yourself23:45
lcuk\@/ crashbox doesnt have gpg23:47
qwerty12_N800do it outside sbox23:47
_gregoroviusthat might work, but I have some man reading to do then =)23:47
qwerty12_N800i make  source packages in sbox, debsign + dput outside sbox23:47
mikkov_you can install gpg to scratchbox, much easier23:48
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qwerty12_N800ahh, cool23:48
mikkov_then dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S will automatically sign the files23:48
Stskeepsscratchbox doesn't have gpg?23:48
Stskeepswhy on earth does extras require it when their own bloody sdk doesn't support it?23:48
mikkov_dput can be used from scratchbox too23:49
qwerty12_N800thanks mikkov_, didn't know that. should save me lots of time :)23:49
mikkov_but it isn't in any repo23:49
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mikkov_gnupg is in extras, I think23:51
_gregoroviushm. I don't see any dns options in /etc/network/interfaces' man =/23:51
woglinde_gregorovius yes they forget it to put in23:51
AStormuhm, then the default is dhcp23:52
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_gregoroviuswoglinde, any hints?23:53
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_gregoroviusthat should really be in the manual23:59
woglindehm post a bug to the debian folks23:59

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