IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-10-15

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whodat	are the files in /media/mmc2/map for maemos mapper?	00:11
moontiger	fukin crooks on wall street and in the whitehouse make me want to puke	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Just the whitehouse?	00:12
moontiger	those fukers are setting up the dems for total failure financially	00:13
moontiger	so they can come back in 4yrs	00:13
moontiger	bastards	00:13
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	00:13
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GeneralAntilles	Like either side of the aisle is any less guilty.	00:13
moontiger	just makes me sick is all	00:13
woglinde	moontiger jupp	00:14
moontiger	oh come on	00:14
moontiger	the dems are hobbled by the repubs in what they can do	00:14
woglinde	this time the manipulation of the vote machine will be not enough	00:14
moontiger	and the damn repubs got us into this mess	00:14
GeneralAntilles	Anybody who things either the Republicans or the Democrats are less to blame for the way things are is either willfully ignoring the facts or just straight up stupid.	00:14
GeneralAntilles	s/things/thinks/	00:14
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Anybody who thinks either the Republicans or the Democrats are less to blame for the way things are is either willfully ignoring the facts or just straight up stupid.	00:14
moontiger	im not going to carry on discussing this GeneralAntilles as i will get so angry and upset at what these bastards have done to this country	00:15
GeneralAntilles	We couldn't get where we are without the cooperation of both sides.	00:15
GeneralAntilles	If either side was actually innocent, we wouldn't be here.	00:15
* moontiger shuts up		00:15
moontiger	really trust me ... lets leave it here	00:15
GeneralAntilles	Partisan politics are so much fun.	00:15
GeneralAntilles	Play one side against the other and dupe everybody into getting screwed.	00:16
moontiger	i cannot wait to leave this fukd up country is all i can say	00:16
woglinde	hehe I liked the comment from morales "bush is now doing communism"	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Because Europe is clearly the land of milk and honey.	00:16
towo	Yes, indeed.	00:16
woglinde	GeneralAntilles bah	00:16
* towo drinks his warm milk with honey.		00:16
moontiger	at keast its not so corrupt and run by the corps	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Haaaa	00:16
woglinde	here in germany were are doing more and more the same things as in usa	00:17
moontiger	GeneralAntilles, would u be a repblican by any chance?	00:17
qwerty12_N800	East London iz da shitzors	00:17
towo	I say, chaps, we should consider culling the experiments with the Western colonies.	00:17
melmoth	here in france, we are worry "they" are killing the bees.	00:17
GeneralAntilles	moontiger, I'd say it's pretty clearly from my statements that I don't subscribe to party politics.	00:17
melmoth	last liter of honey in view.	00:17
moontiger	ok cool	00:17
GeneralAntilles	moontiger, because all the parties do is dupe otherwise rational intelligent people into behaving like idiots.	00:17
moontiger	i know ... so we check out of the process and look what happens	00:18
moontiger	fukin idiots run the place	00:18
moontiger	kid rock: "america cant have a problem with a black president cos they've already had a retard as president"	00:18
moontiger	i like that	00:18
GeneralAntilles	Because race has everything to do with someone's ability to run a country.	00:19
moontiger	apparently it makes you a terrorist	00:19
moontiger	if ur not whiter than white	00:19
`0660	i heard that obama is related to osama	00:20
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`0660	do you think it's true?	00:21
`0660	;)	00:21
moontiger	yes he is his brother ... and trained in camps in afganistan	00:21
moontiger	didnt you know that?	00:21
`0660	well that's what my cousin keeps telling me	00:22
whodat	http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Michelle_Obama_not_actually_all_that_tall.html?showall	00:22
moontiger	politico ---> very balanced == fox news	00:22
moontiger	criminals run the place here	00:23
moontiger	its shocking to somebody who grew up in europe	00:23
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GeneralAntilles	Yes, that's true of all modern industrialized nations.	00:24
moontiger	i think in europe we have a little more regulation to keep things in check	00:24
moontiger	here the corporations run the place	00:24
GeneralAntilles	and your state masters are somehow better?	00:25
lcuk	excellent Stskeeps, thanks	00:25
moontiger	swift boat veterans for the truth??? wtf was that??	00:25
moontiger	yes GeneralAntilles believe it or not but some other places in the world do some things better than america	00:25
moontiger	shocking i know	00:25
GeneralAntilles	:rolleyes:	00:25
moontiger	anyways im done with america	00:26
melmoth	We do better food !	00:26
moontiger	cant wait to leave	00:26
moontiger	and i wont let the door hit me on the way out	00:26
lcuk	moontiger, didnt you say you wouldnt return to the UK as well - you are runnin out of places to go	00:26
moontiger	;)	00:26
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moontiger	england sucks just cos it sucks	00:26
moontiger	america is criminal	00:26
GeneralAntilles	Arguing the relative merits of one sort of slavery to another isn't a useful use of my time.	00:27
moontiger	europe != england	00:27
melmoth	england is not that bad. (think about the steak and kidney pie)	00:27
* moontiger grimaces		00:27
moontiger	spain and africa i think for me	00:27
qwerty12_N800	England = Fish & Chips	00:27
lcuk	spain AND africa? has living in america for so long made you THAT fat?	00:27
moontiger	hahaha .... not fat	00:28
moontiger	just love those places	00:28
moontiger	i run 5 miles every other day	00:28
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lcuk	i kinda agree with spain, never set foot on africa but would like to one day	00:28
moontiger	i lived in cape town for 6yrs	00:28
lcuk	the missus has been to egypt and all around there and i wanna do it as well :)	00:29
moontiger	me too	00:29
moontiger	and japan ... i want to go there too	00:29
moontiger	and of course berlin	00:29
Stskeeps	mm, japan or africa, one of those - went to hong kong in feb	00:29
moontiger	i'll be going to all of them	00:29
moontiger	laptop + internet = happy moontiger	00:29
* qwerty12_N800 would like to go sweden, japan + germany. they've always appealed to me for some reason :)		00:30
moontiger	travelling is my thing	00:30
moontiger	i love it	00:30
whodat	earth in general is getting too boring. we need to colonize mars.	00:30
xorAxAx	hmm	00:30
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xorAxAx	are there some python apps often run on maemo devices which do not use a gui?	00:31
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: meh @ sweden	00:31
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, danish rivalry? :p	00:31
Stskeeps	just because they're blonde doesn't mean they're interesting	00:31
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moontiger	hahaha	00:31
solmumaha	yes, sweden is a nono	00:31
moontiger	ive been to stockholm	00:32
moontiger	for 2 weeks	00:32
moontiger	liked it ok	00:32
melmoth	xorAxAx not that i know of, but it could be done	00:32
qwerty12_N800	So I've got people on either side of sweden saying no :)	00:32
* moontiger has to do some php coding ... brb		00:32
cars__	I would have no problem with the UK if they would stop turning their country into a surveillance state.	00:33
xorAxAx	melmoth: hmm, and which are the most often used gui ones?	00:33
xorAxAx	i think there is this mediathingie, right?	00:33
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: could always go to finland.. and risk being kidnapped and be a nokia slave	00:33
Stskeeps	:P	00:33
GeneralAntilles	Ha	00:33
melmoth	xorAxAx: i think canola is the most popular one	00:33
qwerty12_N800	hehe :p, or I could go Lund and let Sony Ericsson kidnap me :p	00:33
xorAxAx	melmoth: yeah	00:34
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: thought that partnership was breaking up	00:34
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, hmm, i just thought they axed jobs. but I guess that's enough :/	00:34
solmumaha	i recommend slovenia	00:35
mavhc	I misplaced my n810, so I ssh'd in and ran mplayer, the non phone version of phoning your phone	00:35
Stskeeps	romania wasn't that bad	00:35
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moontiger	mavhc, how did u wake up the wifi?	00:36
mavhc	I have it always connected	00:36
melmoth	Grumble, why is not python mentionned on the programming language cloud ? https://garage.maemo.org/softwaremap/trove_cloud.php?form_cat=160	00:37
lcuk	gently, with a cup of coffee	00:37
mavhc	probably why it runs out of battery before the day's end	00:37
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LiraNuna	hi, anyone tried installing deblet on the N810 WiMAX edition?	00:39
Stskeeps	admittedly no, you got one?	00:39
qwerty12_N800	LiraNuna, you'd probably encounter problems installing the inifs	00:40
qwerty12_N800	*initfs	00:40
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: you're welcome to help with providing information for the initfs's and such :P	00:40
Stskeeps	cos i haven't seen how the wimax edition looks like in initfs :P	00:40
LiraNuna	Stskeeps, I'm planning on buying one soon	00:40
LiraNuna	and I'm REALLY REALLY fond of deblet	00:40
qwerty12_N800	actually, probably not,version string is the same	00:40
LiraNuna	I'll give as much help as needed!	00:40
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: probably the first who's extremely fond of it :P	00:41
LiraNuna	is that a good thing or abad thing	00:41
LiraNuna	*a bad	00:41
Stskeeps	that's a good thing i guess ;)	00:41
* Stskeeps develops it, so he has a bit of a love-hate relationship with it		00:41
LiraNuna	:D	00:41
LiraNuna	any idea if the wimax will work?	00:41
Stskeeps	absolutely no clue	00:41
LiraNuna	I can always revert to maemo	00:42
LiraNuna	that's all I needed to hear	00:42
* LiraNuna orders		00:42
Stskeeps	i don't know if it appears as a wifi device or what happens, so	00:42
Stskeeps	but if you know your tech and maybe can code a bit, you're always welcome to help support it better	00:42
Stskeeps	:P	00:42
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LiraNuna	can do both, sir	00:43
LiraNuna	found an N810 WiMAX at buy.com for only 395$	00:43
LiraNuna	+free shipping and no tax	00:43
Stskeeps	nod	00:46
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macoute_	btw. anyone interested in harware-hacking a n810 without any risks?	00:48
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macoute_	i have a n810 with a insurance which covers anythin	00:48
macoute_	g	00:48
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`0660	could you this little test for me?	00:52
Stskeeps	macoute_: there's always repeating the underwater tablet still playing music experiment..	00:53
`0660	find a hammer and try to hit the n810 in the middle of the screen with relatively high force	00:53
`0660	and tell me what happens	00:53
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`0660	:)	00:53
LiraNuna	hehe	00:53
lcuk	i can tell you XSP raw touch will return -1,"ouch"	00:53
macoute_	`0660: but actually, my insurance covers the "possible" damages :P	00:54
* LiraNuna remembers reading "anything"		00:54
macoute_	of course it costed about the same as the device itself :S	00:54
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lcuk	"anything" is "a hammer fell from the sky"	00:55
lcuk	"possible" ^ even	00:55
macoute_	but i was more thinking about some project which would require more than basic knowledge of the device itself	00:55
lcuk	ok, there is a set of screws on the back, if you remove these and carefully lift off the slide out keyboard, there should be a ribbon cable, please cut it up and tie it into a bow	00:56
Stskeeps	maybe investigating that weird plastic thing?	00:57
macoute_	so it seems that theres no projects of that kind going on. thanks :)	00:57
lcuk	then send it to your insurance company and tell them is it "possible" to send you a new one	00:57
lcuk	Stskeeps, yeah that was odd	00:57
LiraNuna	http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=207929561&loc=101 // damnit out of stock	00:57
Stskeeps	macoute_: i'm not sure there's much, as it's kinda deep down board stuff	00:57
lcuk	but i would pull it :$	00:57
GeneralAntilles	Solder on a new eMMC chip.	00:57
lcuk	im a sucker for things like that	00:57
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: you use deblet on n800/n810 though?	00:57
macoute_	Stskeeps: what is weird plastic thing?	00:57
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, i had screen corruption but i had to quit to tell you that :p	00:57
* qwerty12_N800 is on a very slow connection btw :/		00:57
lcuk	i once added a big red button to my app just to see whether ppl could resist	00:57
LiraNuna	Stskeeps, I don't own N800 nor N810 yet	00:57
lcuk	predicably, it was the most clicked button in the app \@/	00:58
macoute_	lcuk: noone could?	00:58
macoute_	hehe	00:58
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: okay	00:58
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: .. so why do you like deblet? thought or? :P	00:59
LiraNuna	debian on a miniature tablet... makes me wet	01:00
Stskeeps	ah	01:00
LiraNuna	and those screenshots on the deblet page are just sexy	01:00
Stskeeps	our problems are power consumption right now but so it goes	01:00
LiraNuna	I'll be glad to help	01:01
Stskeeps	sounds good	01:01
Stskeeps	any experience in the area?	01:01
LiraNuna	amateur Linux programmer for several years	01:02
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Stskeeps	alright	01:03
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cars__	What is the battery life like with deblet?	01:05
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Stskeeps	cars__: 12 hours idle.. working on solutions	01:05
lcuk	Stskeeps, does cpufreq stuff work with it?	01:05
Stskeeps	lcuk: that's what im investigating is the problem..	01:05
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macoute_	does your deblet-clock stay on time?	01:05
Stskeeps	nop	01:06
macoute_	so have you already tuned the ticker?	01:06
macoute_	ok	01:06
lcuk	cos qole uses in his chroot, or is that because hes setting it in original system	01:06
Stskeeps	lcuk: -performance is a battery killer	01:06
macoute_	Stskeeps: thats a good thing, regarding the battery at least :)	01:06
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lcuk	Stskeeps, :) not really its not - i stay in it all day	01:06
Stskeeps	macoute_: but i think that deals with not dealing with retu properly yet	01:06
macoute_	Stskeeps: the clock problem?	01:06
lcuk	its better that its becoming a user option though	01:07
Stskeeps	macoute_: well i think we might have to set it when shutting down and stuff so	01:07
GeneralAntilles	I still want to know what armv6 would do for Deblet.	01:07
lcuk	so they can choose and say "well i want powersave	01:07
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: yeah.. i still wonder what to do about it	01:07
GeneralAntilles	Need to find some ARM gurus.	01:07
lcuk	wax on, wax off	01:07
LiraNuna	<GeneralAntilles> Need to find some ARM gurus.	01:08
LiraNuna	ask away	01:08
LiraNuna	I'm not a guru	01:08
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: i think compiling stuff like bash/dash/python and Xserver properly might help	01:08
lcuk	then he wont ask :P	01:08
GeneralAntilles	Well, how much would armv5 impact performance versus armv6?	01:08
Stskeeps	and hal, too	01:08
macoute_	i'm an ARMED guru, thats okay? :)	01:08
LiraNuna	but I know quite some info	01:08
GeneralAntilles	and thus battery life.	01:08
GeneralAntilles	macoute_, .45 or .357? ;)	01:09
macoute_	GeneralAntilles: a 9mm of course :)	01:09
GeneralAntilles	popgun. :P	01:10
macoute_	:P	01:10
LiraNuna	hmm, I worked with ARM7 vs. arm5tve	01:10
lcuk	"you call that a gun?"	01:10
LiraNuna	(ARM9)	01:10
LiraNuna	I never played around with the ARMv6,	01:10
GeneralAntilles	Debian ARM EABI is compiled for armv5, and the tablets are armv6.	01:11
macoute_	but arent there good specs on arm.com?	01:11
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: nop, armv4t	01:11
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, I swear it was armv5.	01:11
Stskeeps	they went for a catch all afaik	01:11
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GeneralAntilles	Hrm	01:12
GeneralAntilles	Even worse.	01:12
Stskeeps	which obviously doesn't help	01:12
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LiraNuna	arm-eabi-elf target is usually targeted arm7tdmi if no flags are set	01:12
LiraNuna	afaik at least	01:13
derf	The biggest improvement with armv6 is the mmu, which you don't need to recompile to take advantage of.	01:13
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: any good ideas on how to make a still-using-debian repos but supplementing with optimized packages then?	01:13
LiraNuna	-march=armv6	01:13
Stskeeps	without changing version numbers ideally	01:13
LiraNuna	mirror...	01:13
LiraNuna	you'd have to recompile if you want specific optimizations	01:14
bmidgley_	can the kickstand be tightened up so it doesn't slide wide open so easily on n810?	01:14
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: obviously	01:15
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Stskeeps	i saw apt-build but it seems .. unreliable	01:16
LiraNuna	I've never used apt-build	01:17
derf	There's the new SIMD instructions... but unless you're using gcc's autovectorizer, I doubt it will use them.	01:17
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derf	And even if you are, gcc's autovectorizer really doesn't work all that well yet.	01:17
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qole	I'm just going to hang out here more often... by that, I mean fire up xchat and wait for my tablet to flash at me when someone needs to ask a question...	01:21
GeneralAntilles	qole, good plan.	01:21
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qole	time zones seem to be a problem, though; it is mid-afternoon here	01:23
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macoute_	its 1.30 am here	01:23
macoute_	i should be sleeping	01:23
qole	I'll try to be on in my morning, which is Euro evening...	01:23
LiraNuna	qole, CA?	01:23
macoute_	i have a meeting about googleads tomorrow morning at 0930	01:24
macoute_	so its about 8 hours still	01:24
qole	Vancouver, BC	01:24
macoute_	its meeting on, i think?	01:24
LiraNuna	so most deblet devs are europeans?	01:24
macoute_	qole: you are a native speaker, is it meeting on something?	01:24
macoute_	or meeting about somethign?	01:25
qole	about	01:25
macoute_	ok, thanks	01:25
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: nah, all around	01:25
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Stskeeps	johnx's in japan and i'm in denmark	01:25
LiraNuna	Stskeeps, I've heard your nickname before outside of the deblet project	01:25
LiraNuna	have you ever touched dslinux?	01:25
Stskeeps	no, but if you think of ircds..	01:26
LiraNuna	bingo!	01:26
LiraNuna	DS scene	01:26
macoute_	DS as in Nintendo DS? ;)	01:27
LiraNuna	yep	01:27
macoute_	whoo, a linux on it	01:27
LiraNuna	yep	01:27
macoute_	sounds pretty cool	01:27
LiraNuna	not what you expect though	01:27
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: wrote one of the most popular ircds, but not so much anymore	01:27
macoute_	i was actually buing one a week ago	01:27
LiraNuna	Stskeeps, you don't recognize my nick name?	01:27
macoute_	LiraNuna: as a fan of linux, im only expecting to see pinging localhost working ;)	01:27
LiraNuna	macoute_, hehe, much more than that will work	01:28
LiraNuna	wifi works and microX barely	01:28
macoute_	LiraNuna: so its basically an out-of-the-box solution on my standards :P	01:28
macoute_	and what else do you need from a working, production computer than ping localhost?	01:29
macoute_	and if ping google.com is working, its must be more than enough for every user. you remember, 64k of memory is enough (or how much was it?) to anyone :9	01:29
LiraNuna	they even ported irssi and lynx	01:30
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Stskeeps	LiraNuna: nop.	01:31
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LiraNuna	Stskeeps, I'm one of the "old school" ds developers around - http://www.liranuna.com/nds-projects/tales-of-dagur/	01:33
LiraNuna	it's a small world after all :D	01:33
Stskeeps	LiraNuna: hehe.. never did anything in the world of ds really, except nicking arm support for python stackless i think	01:34
LiraNuna	YEAH! THAT'S where I know you from!	01:34
LiraNuna	stackless python !	01:35
Stskeeps	.. that port was never published though	01:36
LiraNuna	http://disinterest.org/NDS/Python25.html	01:36
LiraNuna	not yours?	01:36
Stskeeps	nop, i did use the code to make a stackless port for uni though	01:36
Stskeeps	for the tablets	01:36
Stskeeps	you probably know me from UnrealIRCd or some /info you saw	01:36
LiraNuna	hmm	01:37
Stskeeps	but a quick google of your nick does reflect some good background. demo parties are always a neat trick	01:37
Stskeeps	either that or The Party in .dk	01:37
Stskeeps	was a irc admin in 2002	01:37
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Stskeeps	other than that i have no idea :P	01:38
LiraNuna	oh well ;(	01:39
Stskeeps	else you probably just saw my nick related to deblet	01:39
Stskeeps	:P	01:39
woglinde	nite	01:41
Stskeeps	yeah, sleep time for me too	01:42
Stskeeps	bbl	01:42
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LiraNuna	does skype works on deblet?	01:47
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gregorovius	could anyone explain briefly what freemantle refers to? an os release? a new hardware platform?	01:56
GeneralAntilles	wikipedia is your friend	01:56
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Fremantle	01:57
LiraNuna	"The new release will come with new hardware"	01:58
LiraNuna	:O	01:58
LiraNuna	N900?	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Semi-announced at the Maemo Summit.	01:59
gregorovius	I searched on the maemo.org wiki =/ that information should be there	02:01
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GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames	02:03
gregorovius	GeneralAntilles: basically my question is: will what's known as fremantle run on n800-810 or only on the n900?	02:04
GeneralAntilles	That's not known yet.	02:04
GeneralAntilles	Likely it'll only run on the N900	02:04
GeneralAntilles	as the N900 is a MASSIVE jump in hardware over the N8x0	02:04
GeneralAntilles	but Nokia doesn't know the answer to that question yet.	02:04
mgedmin	hm	02:05
mgedmin	fremantle will have clutter	02:05
mgedmin	that won't work well without hardware 3d accel	02:05
mgedmin	and somehow I doubt we're getting a powervr driver for n810	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Who knows.	02:06
GeneralAntilles	Let's wait until something definitive and official comes out.	02:06
qole	I wish someone at Nokia would at least say, "we're still working on the powervr thing"...	02:07
GeneralAntilles	What, and get everybody's hopes up only to have them dashed? :P	02:08
GeneralAntilles	qole, not a marketing guy, eh? ;)	02:08
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LiraNuna	N810 has PowerVR ?	02:08
GeneralAntilles	The OMAP2420 does, yes.	02:08
qole	Complete silence for several months suggests the project has been sent to a distant back -burner	02:09
LiraNuna	and no hacking had been done?	02:09
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gregorovius	i'm guessing it's probable the n900 will be in the price range of the n800 or 810 when they first came out... ~400 u$s	02:09
qole	link to the wiki page?	02:10
GeneralAntilles	qole, what wiki page?	02:10
qole	the powervr discussion page	02:10
GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification	02:11
qole	yeah, bottom of that page's discussion page	02:11
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LiraNuna	I read that Symbian uses it	02:13
LiraNuna	didn't Symbian went open source lately?	02:14
glass	announced that they eventually will is saying it better	02:14
glass	the powervr thing has been beaten to death	02:14
glass	and even then 'eventually' i really doubt them making the drivers os	02:15
qole	'We are having discussions with TI if we could find reasonable terms to get driver released to developers.'	02:15
qole	July 08	02:15
GeneralAntilles	Besides, what does an open source operating system have to do with open source drivers?	02:16
* lcuk waves @ qole		02:17
* lcuk heard very drunken talk about powervr and decision re getting it		02:18
lcuk	and the noise coming out of my beerglass was that it was still infeasible	02:19
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lcuk	financially and stability wise, technically	02:20
Andy80	hi all	02:20
lcuk	i even think i have o give up hope of the iva, since noone even knows where abouts the docs are for it	02:21
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lcuk	qole, pm	02:21
matan	qole: Why does easy debian require gnutar?	02:22
qole	matan: downloading and decompressing the tar.bz2	02:24
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matan	why not use something like "bzcat file.tar.bz2 \| tar xf -" ? This saves on a problematic dependency.	02:25
qole	lcuk: don't understand 'pm' in this context	02:25
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lcuk	heh, well its not night time	02:26
lcuk	private message	02:26
qole	matan: as usual, I know very little about the options available; your way sounds good, tho	02:27
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qole	lcuk: how does one do pms in IRC?	02:27
qole	bzcat sounds useful; in the maemo repos?	02:28
lcuk	geta sex change op, dont worry if your client cant do it by default, i just have to click your nick	02:28
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gregorovius	pre menstrual sindrome in irc? no idea	02:28
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moontiger	rofl	02:38
matan	bzcat is in bzip2 package	02:39
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gregorovius	has the easy debian image a static size? if so, can I enlarge it/shrink it?	04:28
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whodat	anyone here that has done streaming with canola?	05:14
handful_	opa	05:15
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handful_	hello	05:15
GAN800	From EyeConnect	05:16
handful_	about canola: what was the question? :)	05:16
whodat	trying to figure out how to do streaming with it	05:17
handful_	unm We test with some upnp servers like : Tversity	05:17
GAN800	UPn	05:17
GAN800	p	05:17
whodat	if i click on a video link in the browser it still launches the built-in player	05:18
whodat	so cant stream	05:18
handful_	unm	05:18
handful_	yeah	05:18
GAN800	mediaserv?	05:18
handful_	Canola is not registering itself as the player, because the backend is indeed the same (maemo media player)	05:18
whodat	oh, i thought it used mplayer	05:19
k-s	whodat: it uses both	05:19
whodat	?! lol	05:19
k-s	whodat: as for your question, not possible as canola is not able to execute from commands, things like ¨canola --play=uri¨ does not exist	05:20
k-s	whodat: you can, however, write a canola plugin to make it work	05:20
whodat	canola seems to support more media formats	05:20
k-s	whodat: register yourself as a canola-remote-play dbus service and when you get some play message you start playback	05:20
handful_	whodat: yes because it uses both Mplayer and Maemo media engine :)	05:21
k-s	whodat: it have a priority list, if some media has a priority to play with mplayer, it uses it, otherwise it plays using osso...	05:21
k-s	osso = media server	05:21
k-s	it´s handled by atabake media engine (part of canola)	05:21
whodat	hand: okay. yeah thats why i want it to launch instead of getting 'unsupported media format' from the original player when launching from the browser	05:21
GAN800	just copy the url into gmplayer	05:22
whodat	mplayer takes a url parm, so could i register that to the browser?	05:22
gregorovius	whodat: check http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757	05:25
gregorovius	might be useful	05:26
gregorovius	oo, new canola beta10 in extras-devel... what's new?	05:26
handful_	gregorovius: testing : /	05:27
handful_	we are testing like crazy	05:27
handful_	is our release candidate :) now I am "crushing it" with my crazy test routines to see if it's ok	05:27
gregorovius	doesn't sound like much fun	05:27
lcuk	does that actually mean you run around with n810s screaming and pullin funny faces?	05:27
* GAN800 had fun with b10 and podcasts on a long trip today.		05:28
gregorovius	I just installed it, trying the tuning plugin now	05:28
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handful_	lcuk: yeah :) the tuning plugin still drives me mad	05:28
whodat	greg: thanks	05:28
gregorovius	np	05:28
handful_	and my crazy routines are some unexpected podcast -> song -> youtube -> tuning -> thumbnails - upnp multitask	05:28
gregorovius	I ended up writing a script to copy my album art from amarok to the structure canola expects	05:28
gregorovius	hopefully I can dump that soon	05:29
k-s	gregorovius: that´s awesome!	05:29
handful_	gregorovius: yeah, I don't know what is really happening : when only last.fm or amazon is selected as source..	05:29
gregorovius	k-s: want a copy? it's lame bash	05:29
k-s	gregorovius: push to amarok as a plugin	05:29
handful_	still takes to much time to get covers, and is not getting everyone... then I use the 3 album view.. and it gets them.. damn it	05:29
* k-s wonders why amarok does sync with ipod and iriver but not canola!		05:30
gregorovius	it's a bash script, it doesn't actually run withing amarok	05:30
k-s	it´s the right path to go	05:30
k-s	canola should have its ¨itunes¨ counterpart	05:30
k-s	doing this kind of media management on such devices is not the best thing to do	05:30
gregorovius	I'd love amarok to have some support for copying cover art to random locations	05:30
k-s	it should be possible and like, but it´s not the best place	05:31
k-s	gregorovius: shouldn´t be that difficult	05:31
k-s	now going to sleep!	05:31
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lcuk	handful_, the page cycling issue, what happens and is it "imply" a memory leak or something in the multitasking itself	05:32
lcuk	"simply"	05:32
handful_	page cycling issue? which?	05:32
lcuk	podcast -> song -> youtube -> tuning -> thumbnails	05:32
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lcuk	switching through all the pages	05:33
handful_	ah	05:33
handful_	I do that because the loading / unload of models and the now playing was getting crazy	05:33
handful_	now playing returning to podcast instead to the current playing song..	05:33
handful_	and the others are just to check leaks and so on as you said	05:33
handful_	the thing is : we tend to test in simpler ways :).. users always find complicated ways to use the software that we didn't test enough :)	05:34
lcuk	heh, my heel appears to be file handling ;)	05:34
handful_	it's everyone's I think ehehe	05:35
gregorovius	speaking of that, lcuk, did you managed to check that text encoding issue? I sent you an example the other day	05:35
* GAN800 demands wmv handling from lcuk.		05:35
lcuk	so you reursively open new menus for each page the user clicks into, or after entering one is the previous closed	05:35
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handful_	lcuk: the previous one is closed, but we do keep some information about it's state	05:35
handful_	to be able to re-construct when the user hit's back	05:36
lcuk	gregorovius, i havent got a text file, send it again - it couldv been lost	05:36
lcuk	yeah	05:36
handful_	but as you can generate "paths" in multiple "apps" inside...	05:36
handful_	we need to make sure nothign is leaking :)	05:36
lcuk	yeah, its always a minefield	05:36
gregorovius	lcuk: mail or xdcc?	05:37
lcuk	mail	05:37
lcuk	this irc is crap	05:37
gregorovius	=)	05:37
lcuk	anyway, v late for me :)	05:37
lcuk	ill check that tomorrow gregorovius	05:38
lcuk	gnite handful_, gregorovius and GAN800 if you are about	05:38
gregorovius	thanks	05:38
handful_	good night lcuk !	05:38
gregorovius	handful_: same here, album art shows up in 3-album-view, but not in the main view	05:43
handful_	yeah	05:44
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lopz	hi	05:51
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cars__	hi lopz	06:40
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lopz	heya cars__	06:41
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cars__	How's it going?	06:43
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qole	heheh, everyone's sleeping	06:54
qole	except west coast america :)	06:55
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lopz	night	07:01
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peteblack	hey, does anyone have a N810 WiMAX here?	07:40
* RST38h moos		07:46
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eliagp	hello	07:48
eliagp	first time here	07:48
* rcy too		07:49
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Proteous	don't feed the goats	08:03
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Proteous	what kind of tablet do you both have?	08:08
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peteblack	no one with a n810w (rx-48)?	08:32
summatusmentis	I don't htink they're out yet	08:33
peteblack	they are, read that one guy in chicago got his today from nokia	08:34
summatusmentis	oh, I've not heard of anyone who has one	08:34
peteblack	yeah, i might be out asking a bit early	08:34
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atul	I am facing this erro why so "sbox-arm-linux-gcc: -linotifytools: linker input file unused because linking not done	08:40
atul	sbox-arm-linux-gcc: -lcurl: linker input file unused because linking not done	08:40
atul	sbox-arm-linux-gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple languages	08:40
atul	"	08:40
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angel_	hey i am bulding an application for the nokia n810.. using the scratchbox environment.. the hildon module does not seem to have a grid attribute? can someone tel me wat replaces tat?	08:44
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rcy	is anyone using an n810 as a voip phone? a friend just got one, and i want to help him get it working with my asterisk server. looking ideally for an iax2 client that works with it	09:23
rcy	sip would work too, i guess, but is less ideal	09:23
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macoute_	skype and gizmo(?) are officially supported afaik	09:26
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BugBlue	sip does work with the intergrated chatclient (sofia stuff)	09:29
BugBlue	and it does work nicely with asterisk, even video does work if you have asterisk 1.6 (but video does have some glitches)	09:29
moontiger	gizmo does sip and asterix	09:37
BugBlue	too on the n810 but no video with asterisk	09:44
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moontiger	afaik gizmo is the only video solution right now ... as in gizmo -> gizmo	09:52
moontiger	amsn apparently can do it too	09:53
moontiger	but i think its a complete pain to set up	09:53
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mavhc	or the built in chat client	09:54
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cars__	I thought the built-in chat client could only do audio?	09:59
moontiger	no i use gizmo for video calls all the time	09:59
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cars__	Oh, I know gizmo can. I	10:00
moontiger	skype is only audio	10:01
moontiger	and the built in thing (even with rscomm update thing) is only audio	10:01
cars__	...was thinking of the chat client.	10:01
moontiger	right sorry	10:01
moontiger	didnt read that bit properly	10:01
cars__	no problem	10:01
cars__	Sorry responses are slow; not used to the on-screen keyboard yet.	10:03
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bef0rd	The built in chat app supports video too, the problem is that there are no 'desktop' apps with jabber and video afaik	10:04
cars__	That's right. I remember reading that now.	10:06
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bef0rd	N8X0 <-> N8X0 should be able to handle audio and video with rtcomm	10:07
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moontiger	hmmmmm i never managed to get rtcomm doing video	10:07
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cars__	I can't seem to get the finger on-screen keyboard to display w/any regularity. Any suggestions? I know the app needs to be full screen (for some reason)	10:08
aquatix	morning all	10:09
cars__	Also, I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile. Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard?	10:10
cars__	morning aquatix	10:10
aquatix	hey cars__	10:10
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bef0rd	moontiger, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAI	10:12
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X-Fade	Morning.	10:17
skibur	Anybody know who painted this picture???? ---> http://jasgordo.googlepages.com/an_fallen_angel_2.jpg/an_fallen_angel_2-custom;size:1999,1999.jpg	10:18
skibur	been trying to find out who did it	10:18
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moontiger	wow what is it??	10:23
aquatix	looks like a fallen angel	10:23
moontiger	oh yah i got it	10:23
moontiger	zoomed in and saw it better	10:23
RST38h	it's a phot.	10:23
moontiger	angel on a rock	10:24
RST38h	photo	10:24
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Pavlov	anyone know of any good hard cases (that protect the screen) for the n810?	10:43
aquatix	maybe boxwave has one?	10:44
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Pavlov	hrm, they have one -- hard to tell how well it protects the screen	10:46
Pavlov	after i cracked the screen on my last n810, trying to find somtehing to protect this one	10:47
aquatix	how did you crack it?	10:49
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Pavlov	dunno ;/	10:49
aquatix	ah :)	10:49
Pavlov	the glass is fine but big crack down the lcd	10:49
aquatix	ouch	10:50
Pavlov	yeah	10:50
Pavlov	want to avoid breaking my new one ;p	10:50
MangoFusion	the screen is glass?	10:50
Pavlov	shrug	10:50
RST38h	Glass will not work	10:51
RST38h	Touchscreen requires either direct contact or a very thin pressure sensitive layer	10:52
RST38h	So, I would suggest either a padded case or at least a leather case	10:52
Pavlov	given how bad the touchscreen on the n810 is, maybe it is glass	10:53
RST38h	it's plastic	10:54
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:15
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moontiger	<--- getting ready for bed	11:16
solmumaha	morning	11:18
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moontiger	xkcd is funny today :)	11:27
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hrw	morning	12:20
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Stskeeps	beagleboard connection works \o/	12:24
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RST38h	Scientists believe the UK ranges of two aggressive alien crustaceans - the North American signal crayfish and the Chinese mitten crab - are beginning to overlap, offering the prospect of an epic battle for supremacy over Britain's waterways.	12:33
RST38h	and good morning all	12:34
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lcuk	RST38h, what about the russian factor: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/holiday_type/food_and_travel/article783553.ece	12:51
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lcuk	i love the tagline: "Monster crabs are invading Europe. Armed with a jar of mayonnaise, Stephen Bleach steps into battle"	12:51
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solmumaha	_berto_: thanks	12:59
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_berto_	solmumaha: yr welcome	13:08
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mikkov_	solmumaha: duke is in extras-devel. Still thinking about best way to distribute sw levels	14:18
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solmumaha	mikkov_: thanks a lot, did you create a similar package?	14:23
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mikkov_	solmumaha: It should be almost exactly the same	14:24
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mikkov_	I only changed duke3d.cfg copying from postinst to start script	14:25
solmumaha	great job, must test it when i get home. you made full or sw version?	14:25
mikkov_	it's only sw version for now	14:26
mikkov_	CFLAGS are not the same, it looked like it is using more CPU now. I probably tweak them back	14:27
solmumaha	well i'm not sure they are correct, don't remember where i grabbed them	14:28
solmumaha	but it works with 770 without sound with those	14:28
mikkov_	I had to change them because they were only for ARM and autobuilder builds also for i386	14:29
solmumaha	ah, so you need to add some checks to makefile?	14:30
mikkov_	would it be goof idea if sw levels were optionally downloaded in postinst script?	14:30
solmumaha	yes	14:30
mikkov_	CFLAGS are minor issue for now	14:30
mikkov_	levels can be redistributed but licence requires that all files (exe, etc) are distributed together	14:32
solmumaha	can you extract the .grp and distribute it with the rest?	14:32
mikkov_	so if ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dduke13.zip is downloaded and extracted and unnecessary file are deleted it is ok	14:33
solmumaha	ah, .SHR is just a zip file	14:34
solmumaha	so it can be done easily	14:34
solmumaha	want me to write it? we'd need to depend on zip and wget i guess	14:34
solmumaha	*unzip	14:34
mikkov_	if you want to ;)	14:35
mikkov_	there is maemo-confirm-text which can be used for dialogs	14:36
solmumaha	yes, i've used it a lot	14:36
mikkov_	so first question would be if user wants to downloads levels and second question which mmc?	14:37
solmumaha	check if there's no /media/mmc[1-2]/share/duke3dsw, ask if user wants to dl them, then ask which mmc to use	14:37
solmumaha	yes :)	14:37
solmumaha	can you start xterm so that it runs wget?	14:38
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mikkov_	i think you have to do it in background or hidden	14:39
mikkov_	if [ `gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/af/internal-mmc-device-present` == 'false' ] ; then (for checking mmc)	14:39
solmumaha	i guess you'd need to check space too	14:41
solmumaha	you do it! :p	14:41
hrw	someone know mpd build for os2006?	14:41
solmumaha	hrw: tried sonata?	14:42
hrw	solmumaha: url?	14:42
solmumaha	isn't it in extras?	14:42
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solmumaha	sonata would probably work with 2008he	14:45
hrw	solmumaha: I ignore hacker editions	14:45
hrw	this 770 has 64mb ram and 64mb card so swap is not an option and 2007/2008 on 64ram is pain	14:46
solmumaha	gxmms2 would probably compile out of box if you have gregale sdk	14:46
solmumaha	but that would require some xmms2 packages too	14:47
solmumaha	you could setup xmms2 and some web frontend and use it with a browser	14:47
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GeneralAntilles	lardman, ping.	14:53
GeneralAntilles	jott, ping.	14:54
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Jaffa	p.m.o broken?	15:07
GAN800	Semi-working here	15:08
GAN800	I wish there were a way to disallow all application topping.	15:09
GAN800	There's only one case where I want to see an application, and that's when I ask for it.	15:09
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GAN800	That case does not include times when the application thinks I want to see it.	15:10
solmumaha	mikkov_: can't you just bundle the duke3d zip and extract and delete it in postinst?	15:10
solmumaha	it's not that big	15:10
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mikkov_	maybe that's simpler	15:11
tekojo	Jaffa: p.m.o?	15:12
Jaffa	tekojo: planet.maemo.orrg	15:12
Jaffa	GAN800: yeah, just seems to be the header	15:13
mikkov_	solmumaha: I'll make a separate duke3dsw-data package	15:13
GeneralAntilles	Are there any matchbox or Xomap hacks to say "ignore all top requests"?	15:14
solmumaha	that sounds good	15:14
solmumaha	and do build the full version too, it's almost identical to sw	15:14
GeneralAntilles	With a single-window wm like Matchbox, shit topping itself left and right is about the most irritating thing I can imagine.	15:14
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: It's been pissing me off more & more. Wouldn't be too bad if the processor was quick enough that I didn't have time to go off and do something else for half an hour whilst the browser loaded.	15:15
GeneralAntilles	Yeah. :\	15:15
mikkov_	solmumaha: yes, I will make full build too when I update the package	15:15
GeneralAntilles	I love trying to load a page in MicroB, switching to XChat	15:15
GeneralAntilles	having it switch me back to MicroB	15:15
GeneralAntilles	switching back to XChat	15:15
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GeneralAntilles	Makes me want to stab my eyes out.	15:16
GeneralAntilles	I don't even want applications to top themselves when they open.	15:17
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GeneralAntilles	Nice, tablet now refuses to boot.	15:30
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johnx	GeneralAntilles, the window manager should just tell them no	15:34
GeneralAntilles	johnx, can we patch matchbox to make it so?	15:35
johnx	likely	15:35
johnx	other window managers can do it	15:35
johnx	I don't have a patch for you :)	15:35
johnx	heh...maybe just remove support for windows raising themselves?	15:35
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GeneralAntilles	johnx, fsck.ext3 is now segfaulting trying to fix an partition on my 8GB AData card. :\	15:40
johnx	O_o	15:40
johnx	dmesg?	15:41
johnx	oh, adata	15:41
* GeneralAntilles sighs.		15:42
johnx	anyone else have experience with adata cards?	15:43
* johnx is curious		15:43
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lcuk_web	GeneralAntilles: its not the 48mhz patch is it	15:44
GeneralAntilles	No	15:47
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GeneralAntilles	It wouldn't see the card if it were a 48MHz issue.	15:47
lcuk_web	just pondering, arent these things borderline occasionally	15:48
johnx	lcuk_web, I often get that feeling about sd cards as a rule	15:49
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henrique	hi, does anyone knows how to grab focus to a gtk widget and makes the virtual keyboard to appear?	15:49
lcuk_web	heh johnx, GeneralAntilles when jott first installed 48mhz patch my card was visible	15:49
lcuk_web	then it burnt in flames	15:49
lcuk_web	and was lost forever as you say	15:50
henrique	in such way the user can start typing as soon as the dialog is drawed in the screen?	15:50
lcuk_web	bbl	15:51
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MangoFusion	speaking of focus, does anyone notice that when you disable the address bar in fullscreen mode in the browser, the virtual keyboard vanishes when you press backspace?	15:53
henrique	MangoFusion, do you know if what I'm asking is possible?	15:55
MangoFusion	sorry, no.	15:55
johnx	GeneralAntilles, does dmesg say something exciting?	15:56
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GeneralAntilles	No, nothing interesting as far as I can see.	15:56
johnx	that's actually pretty interesting	15:57
johnx	where does fsck segfault?	15:57
GeneralAntilles	i_fsize for inode 78397 (...) is 140, should be zero. Clear<y>? yes Segmentation fault	15:58
johnx	heh	15:59
johnx	do you have something else to fsck it with?	15:59
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GeneralAntilles	No. :\	15:59
johnx	do you have a usb cable and a computer with fsck on it?	16:00
johnx	hint: a mac would work...	16:00
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GeneralAntilles	ext3 support on OS X has never worked right for me	16:01
GeneralAntilles	USBF:7495.153AppleUSBEHCI[0x4733800]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 0x4b, timing out! (Addr: 14, EP: 2)	16:01
GeneralAntilles	Says dmesg on my G5.	16:01
johnx	you're not going to use that driver, just let fsck have access to the block device	16:01
johnx	though that looks more low level...	16:02
johnx	I don't think that's an fs thing so much as a device level thing	16:02
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I don't think it's listing a device.	16:03
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johnx	I don't have a mac here to work along with you and my memory isn't good enough of how *bsd names its devices...	16:04
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GeneralAntilles	Normally they show up in /dev/disk*	16:05
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johnx	can you mount the card r/o and recover your stuff, then format?	16:07
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I can get the stuff off the FAT partition.	16:07
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johnx	but the ext2 part won't even mount?	16:08
GeneralAntilles	Nope	16:09
GeneralAntilles	Nothing really important on there anyway.	16:09
johnx	ick	16:09
pupnik810	hi GeneralAntilles johnx et al	16:09
johnx	hey pupnik810	16:09
GeneralAntilles	Hey, pupnik810.	16:09
johnx	GeneralAntilles, when you reformat, use mkfs.ext3 -cc /dev/foo1	16:10
johnx	or whatever	16:10
johnx	that way it'll run a badblocks check	16:10
johnx	might help in the future	16:10
GeneralAntilles	I'm switching to my 4GB Transcend	16:10
johnx	gonna junk this card?	16:10
johnx	have you had good luck with transcend?	16:11
GeneralAntilles	Haven't had any issues	16:12
GeneralAntilles	Hadn't had any issues with AData until today	16:12
GeneralAntilles	sooo	16:12
GeneralAntilles	The 8GB Transcend is just gonna be FAT mass storage.	16:12
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herwood	hi	16:20
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herwood	is there still some way of recognizing when user is using tablet's touch screen with fingers or stylus?	16:21
herwood	I remember that there was this feature in N800's menu, but N810's menu doesn't anymore work in the same way	16:21
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johnx	herwood, do you have the latest version of OS2008?	16:29
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GeneralAntilles	andre___, ping.	16:37
andre___	GeneralAntilles, pong	16:38
herwood	johnx: yea, and I'm using N810	16:38
pupnik810	anybody mention / release any playable games / emus lately?	16:38
pupnik810	i've not kept up	16:38
herwood	johnx: I would be interested in using that kind of feature in my own app	16:39
herwood	if its possible	16:39
GeneralAntilles	pupnik810, there's a bunch in Extras and Extra-devel.	16:39
johnx	herwood, libxsp (I believe) provides pressure data. From that I guess you can try and guess what's touching the screen	16:39
herwood	that sounds good, thanks for the tip!	16:40
Savago	Good morning.	16:40
pupnik810	what section?	16:40
pupnik810	GeneralAntilles..	16:40
GeneralAntilles	Games	16:40
Savago	I got one question: is there a ca-certificates package for maemo?	16:40
Savago	Standard Debian one has dependencies (openssl that depends on libc and so on) making it a tough choice.	16:41
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Savago	So I imagined that a so basic package (ca-certificates) would be already available for maemo... anyone have a clue?	16:43
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johnx	herwood, and if you haven't already found this, this might be helpful, though I don't know if the API has changed since then: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data	16:45
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lcuk	herwood, its not just based on pressure, but also on "wiggle". when a finger or thumb pad touches the surface the cursor wiggles quickly in a small area keeping the centrepoint as the centre of gravity for the push	16:49
lcuk	it should be possible to use standard mouse events to identify this	16:49
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lcuk	pressure is only one small part of the equation	16:49
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herwood	lcuk: so did you mean that it is possible detect the pressing object (either finger or stylus) simply by using standard mouse events?	16:58
herwood	or did I get it wrong?	16:58
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pupnik810	x does get mouse events	17:03
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pupnik810	btw 'mornin' lcuk :)	17:08
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pupnik810	does the tablet recognize finger press by the noise/wiggle in the x/y coordinates?	17:09
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X-Fade	pupnik810: Open the sketch app and press two finders on the screen at the same time with a few cm distance between them.	17:11
X-Fade	And see the dot appear in the middle of your fingers.	17:11
X-Fade	*between	17:11
pupnik810	.	17:11
X-Fade	It somehow calculates the average of press.	17:12
pupnik810	or this is a property of the detector	17:13
pupnik810	anybody working on maemo 4 pandora?	17:15
johnx	pupnik810, you mean getting maemo apps into angstrom or trying to drag os2008 kicking and screaming?	17:15
pupnik810	dunno how	17:16
pupnik810	want maemo / itos to become more mainstream	17:16
GeneralAntilles	ITOS is deprecated. ;)	17:16
johnx	pupnik810, OS2008 is mostly closed in terms of userfacing stuff	17:16
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pupnik810	ya well there should be a build for pandora too	17:18
pupnik810	call it cheap advertising	17:18
GeneralAntilles	Better off getting the Hildon desktop environment going on Debian or Ubuntu	17:18
johnx	pupnik810, Nokia loses money on software to sell hardware	17:18
pupnik810	ah ok	17:18
johnx	GeneralAntilles, that is no small task	17:18
GeneralAntilles	johnx, did you see qgil's post?	17:18
johnx	after mine?	17:19
johnx	no	17:19
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24254	17:19
johnx	thanks	17:19
GeneralAntilles	pupnik810, a few people already have Maemo running on the Beagle, anyway.	17:19
GeneralAntilles	Just need to get the specifics from them.	17:19
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pupnik810	yah	17:24
pupnik810	ty for link GeneralAntilles	17:24
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* qwerty12 loves it when a person puts a youtube of a nice application but then nicely uploads it to their svn too :)		17:45
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aquatix	qwerty12: as in `commits the whole fracking movie to svn'? :)	17:47
qwerty12	aquatix: Not quite :P . God, when did my English go so bad >.<	17:48
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GeneralAntilles	It's the drugs, man. :P	17:51
qwerty12	Hehe, me goodbye drugs say :p	17:52
johnx	GeneralAntilles, the licensing catch-22 is depressing :/	17:52
lopz	hola	17:52
johnx	hackers: "Nokia, open-source stuff!" Nokia: "Hackers, show us a reason!"	17:53
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GeneralAntilles	john, yeah. :\	17:53
GeneralAntilles	Maybe we should just threaten them more.	17:53
johnx	with what?	17:53
GeneralAntilles	Frozen trout wallopings.	17:53
GeneralAntilles	Set up in front of Nokia HQ with catapults and Linux hackers equipped with frozen trouts. ;)	17:54
johnx	"to retrieve your pandora, please return the enclosed frozen trout with the impression of a Nokia lawyer's face on the side"	17:54
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johnx	I mean they waited like 2 years for this thing. assault and battery will pale in comparison	17:55
qwerty12	I hear the Finns like fish so I guess fish is the way to go.	17:55
timeless	license catch-22?	17:56
GeneralAntilles	johnx, not enough guarantees, we should require them to return with the source for at least one package before they get their Pandoras. ;)	17:56
johnx	qgil wants us to ignore the EULA and experiment running OS2008 on other hardware. hackers want to see an open license before putting time into a project	17:57
johnx	actually, I guess that's the answer: take the path of least resistance to get OS2008 mostly running on the pandora, then come back to Nokia and ask for some source	17:58
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timeless	oops, wrong window	18:00
timeless	oops, wrong window	18:00
timeless	what is pandora?	18:00
aquatix	gaming handheld	18:00
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)	18:00
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GeneralAntilles	Beagle Board in a case.	18:00
johnx	beagleboard in a case, with a nice screen, a little keyboard and some gaming controls	18:01
qwerty12	I can't see Nokia budging. They provide a retarded environment for their SDK, I can't see them going for the pandora.	18:01
aquatix	and pre-installed emulators	18:01
johnx	qwerty12, every time I see a post from qgil I get hopeful, then I remember that he's not on the legal team :/	18:02
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GeneralAntilles	johnx, sadly, the people who are on our side are already on our side, and those that aren't we can't get to. . . .	18:03
qwerty12	johnx: I see Nokia's Internet Tablet division and maemo.org (apologies in advance if capitalisation etc is wrong...) as two separate entities. And I have to say, I think of Nokia with the upper hand by far	18:04
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, Maemo Software or the hardware division?	18:04
johnx	well, gqil is definitely "Nokia"	18:04
GeneralAntilles	URLS aren't capitalized.	18:04
X-Fade	johnx: No, qgil is Maemo Software.	18:04
timeless	Maemo Software: Marketing	18:04
timeless	or something like that	18:05
X-Fade	timeless: yep	18:05
johnx	ah, ok, thanks	18:05
GeneralAntilles	marketing manager, open source	18:05
GeneralAntilles	Maemo Software @ Nokia	18:05
GeneralAntilles	According to the signature.	18:05
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: I don't really see any deviation any more. You have people who put closed source apps in catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com (which is an odd link back to repository.maemo.org/catalogue (or something like that))	18:05
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, deviation between?	18:09
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qwerty12	Hmm, I have no idea what I just said, sorry. I see the hardware division (and it includes software too as shown by agps-ui & icd2 dummy module uploaded without any source) and Maemo Software as two separate entities.	18:12
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GeneralAntilles	Yes, that's correct.	18:13
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* qwerty12 just saw Maemo Software and read it as Maemo Software instead of the literal meaning. bangs face on desk		18:13
qwerty12	s/literal meaning/qwerty's idea of literal meaning	18:13
MangoFusion	pandora is a beagle board in a case? interesting	18:13
johnx	http://openpandora.org	18:14
MangoFusion	guess it makes perfect sense	18:14
johnx	not literally a beagleboard	18:14
johnx	but the same OMAP3, with 128MB RAM/256MB NAND	18:15
MangoFusion	of course, i'm just thinking conceptually	18:15
johnx	I just didn't want to spread misinformation :)	18:15
MangoFusion	hahaha	18:15
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GeneralAntilles	Mostly all it shares with the Beagle is the SoC and PoP	18:17
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sumanta	hello	18:28
sumanta	anybody can help me with osso-wlancond	18:28
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sumanta	can anyone help me out with osso-wlancond?	18:28
johnx	what's the problem?	18:29
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sumanta	i am a complete newbie and want to programmetically control wlan interface	18:29
sumanta	i have downloaded osso-wlan, osso-wlan-dev and studied the code there	18:30
sumanta	there seem to be some functions to control the state but I am not very sure how to use it	18:31
StsN800	look at libconic	18:31
sumanta	i think with libconic i can scan and do those kind of things	18:31
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sumanta	but can i control the state of wlan interface with libconic?	18:31
StsN800	think so	18:32
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StsN800	dunno though	18:32
sumanta	i dont think so	18:32
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sumanta	libconic api has conicconnection, conicevent, conicconnectionevent and conicstatistics	18:33
sumanta	they only help with connecting and scanning	18:33
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sumanta	has anyone programmed with osso-wlancond before?	18:34
qwerty12	dbus can control icd too. On -developers, I posted dbus-send lines to switch the tablet from offline mode to online and vice versa and matan posted some dbus-send lines to specify which network you want to connect to (that is already saved) and something else.	18:34
sumanta	ok	18:35
sumanta	where can I get those lines, can u direct me?	18:35
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qwerty12	http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/41806	18:36
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sumanta	oh, so its a script to be run	18:37
sumanta	but can it be used to put the interface in a powersave mode, or to change its power usage in db?	18:38
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gregorovius	Hey... I was thinking of having erminig auto update. I see it can be scripted, but I'm wondering if there's a way to run something upon internet connection instead of just dumb cron	18:50
qwerty12	dbus-scripts	18:51
* GAN800 feels like qwerty12		18:51
qwerty12	Steady :P	18:52
GAN800	So many hacks to rehack after a clean flash. :/	18:52
qwerty12	Community edition ftw	18:52
GAN800	Yeah	18:52
gregorovius	I don't see the dbus executable on the tablet, so I guess bash is out of the question	18:52
GAN800	qwerty12, now that you have a charger. . . .	18:53
GAN800	and since jott seems to be otherwise occupied.	18:53
qwerty12	But I'm not jott :/ and I don't know a quarter of the stuff that he knows :/	18:54
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, but you _are_ qwerty12, and a start's a start. ;)	18:54
qwerty12	:/	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Getting something concrete going will hopefully encourage others to pitch in.	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Right now, we're just uselessly treading wate.r	18:56
sumanta	as always, all discussions end, when we come to the topic of using osso-dbuscond	18:57
GeneralAntilles	:/	18:58
sumanta	:(	18:58
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: True, but I really don't see me kick-starting this. I'm not a programmer (just little hacks here and there)	18:58
GAN800	It's all packaging for the time being.	18:59
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sumanta	qwrety12: where can i get those status/device mode strings that I need to enclose in "" after the d-bus call?	19:00
qwerty12	sumanta: erm, what dbus call?	19:01
sumanta	qwrety12: the link you directed me to	19:01
sumanta	usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=signal /com/nokia/mce/signal com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_device_mode_ind string:"flight"	19:01
sumanta	qwrety12: here you used string "flight", how can i get a list of this type of strings that I can use	19:02
qwerty12	Oh, those. I just sniffed that out with dbus-monitor --system and setting the tablet to offline while dbus-monitor was running	19:02
sumanta	oh ok	19:02
sumanta	isnt there any doc or manual?	19:03
qwerty12	solmumaha: ping	19:03
sumanta	sorry?	19:04
melmoth	sumanta: libconic header file	19:04
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melmoth	or maybe in mce-dev	19:06
sumanta	melmoth: can libconic control the interface? i think it can only help us with connectin and scanning	19:06
melmoth	yep /usr/include/mce/mode-names.h	19:06
sumanta	oh thanks	19:07
solmumaha	qwerty12: pong	19:07
* GAN800 wants and advanced-connectivity.		19:07
GAN800	s/and/an/	19:07
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qwerty12	solmumaha: knots doesn't happen to keep a log file anywhere? I'm trying to stream Don't mess with the zohan as a test (being the only thing on the linux partition) and knots on the tablet goes back to the file list after 10 seconds after choosing it (and I don't get no video). vlc on the desktop is playing it fine	19:09
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solmumaha	~./config/knots/knots.log or just stop it and run with ./knots stick	19:10
solmumaha	is it 0.9.x vlc?	19:10
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qwerty12	Yep, 0.9.4 compiled from ubuntu intrepid sources y/day :)	19:11
qwerty12	Hmm, can't make heads nor tails of it: http://slexy.org/view/s2ldFx7kMu	19:12
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solmumaha	ah, did you grab it today?	19:12
qwerty12	Yep	19:12
solmumaha	try running ./scripts/update again	19:13
qwerty12	Ah, I see I now have knots_0.2.9.deb in cli, let me update the client :)	19:13
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solmumaha	i made a little oops today	19:14
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qwerty12	Arrgh, still doing it :/. Let me check if I'm running another copy in the background :/	19:15
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lcuk	X-Fade, did you see the multitouch thing i left you	19:58
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GeneralAntilles	johnx, Eero says disabling the topping at the wm level will totally break everything.	20:39
johnx	I wonder why some WMs can get away with it	20:39
GeneralAntilles	http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557#c13	20:40
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I dunno. :\	20:40
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johnx	GeneralAntilles, he's probably right. the focus stealing prevention in other WMs probably relies on guessing whether the raise request was related to something the user did or whether it was generated by the app :/	20:51
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GeneralAntilles	yerga, any chance you could support Midgard with Maemo WordPy? ;)	21:04
GeneralAntilles	Which, just as a heads up, is a trademark violation for Nokia.	21:05
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I think midgard also supports the weblog api.	21:19
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: And Wordpy for Maemo would be better, I guess.	21:19
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, WordPy for Maemo would be compliant.	21:21
Sargun_Screen	quick ui question: why dont we just put the osk button next to the ctrl button?	21:21
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, that was a mostly facetious question, good to hear that it might actually be workable.	21:22
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I know, but you might be surprised ;)	21:25
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cyrus___	How do I modify the icons on the left portion of the screen (web, contacts, applications)?	21:30
johnx	replace them with something else? or edit the menus?	21:32
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cyrus___	johnx - that is what I am wondering, it seems the theme controls what icons to use, but I checked all the theme images and non of them were what was displayed	21:35
johnx	ah, just the actual picture	21:35
cyrus___	yes	21:37
johnx	I'm sure it must be the theme that controls it	21:39
johnx	have you tried dissecting a theme that changes the icon?	21:39
qwerty12_N800	it's separate to the theme. i can't remember file names tho. i'll dig it up	21:39
johnx	ah, right, I remember all those .debs that change it for you and then don't really change it back	21:40
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qwerty12_N800	/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_grid_tasknavigator_*	21:43
qwerty12_N800	ofc, more than 3 files that begin with that but should be easy to figure what is what :)	21:44
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lcuk	qwerty12_N800, :) thanks, im investigating and following up now its reproducable	21:45
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qwerty12_N800	lcuk, no problems :). just out of question, have you tried it on a tablet without 36-5 update?	21:47
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summatusmentis	anyone using their n8x0 for a media player? What's the battery life like?	21:49
cyrus___	qwerty12_N800 - how does the theme.xml file reference what files to use?	21:49
cyrus___	nvm, got it	21:50
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, no, but ive got a lead im following	21:50
qwerty12_N800	ok, cool	21:50
* mgedmin does, and dunno		21:50
mgedmin	enough to walk to work and back while listening to music	21:51
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mgedmin	not enough for 2-hour plane flight followed by 1 hour in the airport followed by a 11-hour plane flight	21:51
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* mgedmin would guess somewhere around 5 hours		21:52
summatusmentis	so... 5 hours?	21:52
summatusmentis	haha, beat me	21:52
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mgedmin	well, now we have two estimates	21:52
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mgedmin	which are surprisingly close	21:52
summatusmentis	:-/ that's kinda low	21:53
mgedmin	yes	21:53
mgedmin	reading ebooks with fbreader: 7 hours	21:54
mgedmin	walking around with gps on: 3 hours	21:54
mgedmin	if not less	21:54
summatusmentis	I might just have to get an ipod touch, and keep my n810 for hacking	21:54
GeneralAntilles	I've been in the 10-hour range with mp3s and screen off.	21:54
mgedmin	also, I tend to recharge as soon as the battery indicator stops showing 100%	21:54
mgedmin	so my estimates are rather conservative	21:55
Mek	I've even been in the 4/5 hours range with gps and screen on...	21:55
* mgedmin would like to get an ipod shuffle for music, but Apple doesn't want to give one to him		21:55
summatusmentis	shuffle isn't big enough for me	21:56
mgedmin	heh, smallness is its selling point	21:56
mgedmin	although I suppose you mean the capacity rather than physical size	21:56
summatusmentis	right, capacity	21:56
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summatusmentis	I like the openness of maemo, and I'd love to use it for everything... Battery life makes it not terribly feasible :-(	21:59
mgedmin	at least it's better than a laptop's battery life	22:01
* mgedmin sighs and wishes for magical new battery tech		22:02
summatusmentis	true. Maybe I can justify keeping it as a mini computer :)	22:02
melmoth	mgedmin: what about an olpc crank ? :)	22:03
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lcuk	liqbase: first run flickering is reproducable at 800480 only, at 640480 i get no flickering at all. i can switch between 640480 no flicker and 800480 flicker within the app and show difference, however this is ONLY on first run	22:20
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lcuk	does anyone have any 800*480 movies?	22:20
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zap	lcuk: look here http://www.blender.org/	22:21
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zap	there's a 854x480 sized variant of "big buck bunny" :)	22:22
qwerty12_N800	zap, out of question, did you ever try a g_ether.ko from 2.6.18 in 2.6.21?	22:22
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zap	qwerty12_N800: yes	22:26
zap	the problem is not in g_ether, but in the OMAP OTG driver	22:27
lcuk	zap, thanks	22:27
qwerty12_N800	ah, ok, thanks zap	22:27
zap	qwerty12_N800: the OTG driver from 2.6.18 is uncompilable on 2.6.21	22:27
qwerty12_N800	yeah, i saw that when i tried :/	22:27
zap	the UDC driver for OTG is quite huge :-\	22:28
zap	err... for OMAP	22:29
qwerty12_N800	i've used g_serial in windows, but g_ether would be nice	22:29
zap	lcuk: embedding a video player into your app? :)	22:29
lcuk	no zap	22:30
lcuk	i want to test if mplayer suffers from the same glitch at 800*480 first run	22:31
lcuk	it could be a longterm bug	22:31
lcuk	but by default mplayer opens at res required and i cant find or know of any actual fullscreen video files	22:31
qwerty12_N800	if i can get time, i'll dump my mtdblock4 and try liqbase on a pre 36-5 tablet	22:32
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, doesnt matter for now i dont think - its a problem with people now	22:33
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* lcuk made his own movie at 800*480		22:44
qwerty12_N800	~lart bugzilla.gnome.org	22:44
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yerga	GeneralAntilles, I think would be easy to do	23:21
yerga	Midgard supports the metaweblog api	23:22
yerga	and wordpress is using metaweblog with steroids	23:22
yerga	so wordpy practically has the infrastructure to post to midgard	23:23
yerga	just some fixes	23:23
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melmoth	ping moontiger	23:54
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moontiger	melmoth :)	23:55
moontiger	hi	23:55
melmoth	hola	23:55
melmoth	I just received your mail.	23:55
moontiger	i just emailed u	23:55
moontiger	he	23:55
melmoth	Commit as much as you want in the server direcrtory	23:55
melmoth	it s yours :)	23:55
moontiger	ok coolio thnx :)	23:55
melmoth	if you feel like changin stuff elsewhere, please do that in a separate branch	23:56
moontiger	i should have somrething to play with very soon	23:56
melmoth	http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch04s07.html	23:56
moontiger	wont touch anything else until we talk about it	23:56
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melmoth	i ll do the same (commit in a separate branch) if i feel like changing stuf fin the server dir	23:56
melmoth	so then it will be up to the "owner" of a dir to merge stuff or not	23:56
moontiger	ok cool ... im not 100% with svn branches and stuff but i guess i should learn	23:57
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: maybe the whole discussion should be "is it possible to rebuild maemo from scratch without the nokia pieces, so it's functional enough to start supporting your own platform"?	23:57
Stskeeps	nokia closed pieces, that is	23:57
* moontiger sticks the nokia logo back on		23:57
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melmoth	svn branches are really easy to create. Merging may be more tricky if other changes occured in the source	23:57
moontiger	right	23:57
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moontiger	i will just focus on the server for now until thats good to go	23:58
moontiger	then we can look at everything and see whats next	23:58
melmoth	yop.	23:58
moontiger	:)	23:58
moontiger	and i really want to learn more dbus stuff when i get time	23:58
melmoth	I think next things will be not to record every sinigle gps fix, i m not sure how fast will it eat memory.	23:58
moontiger	right	23:58
moontiger	i thought about that	23:58
* mgedmin recommends http://mg.pov.lt/eazysvn/ for less finger-wearing svn branch merging		23:59
moontiger	i can make the server only keep the last 10 or 20	23:59
melmoth	i am afraid there is a leak somewhere, but i was not able to find where exactly. I think it s related to the device status change	23:59
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, well, what've you got by then?	23:59
GeneralAntilles	A desktop environment and a few applications?	23:59
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: indeed	23:59
moontiger	melmoth, dont keep anything on the device	23:59
moontiger	send it all to the server	23:59
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: because most maemo apps.. depends on nokia pieces	23:59

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