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| hellwolf | I opened maemo-mapper, it kept searching for GPS receiver for a while. At last it told me "Error connecting GPSD Server Retry?". How could I fix this | 01:02 |
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| mgedmin | hellwolf: n810 or n800 (or 770)? | 01:11 |
| hellwolf | N810 | 01:11 |
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| hellwolf | I changed to choose bluetooth GPS, and leave the field blank. It's now telling me "Establishing GPS fix" | 01:11 |
| mgedmin | to use the internal gps, select "bluetooth" in maemo mapper and keep the bluetooth address field blank | 01:11 |
| hellwolf | ok:) | 01:11 |
| hellwolf | I'm waiting | 01:12 |
| mgedmin | yes, it is retarded, there's a bug in maemo mapper's bug tracker for a better user interface | 01:12 |
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| hellwolf | one more question, how to use phonelink with maemo integrated contacts info support. Or is there other better software to dial/sms via bluetooth phone | 01:13 |
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| cyrus__ | after you compile a package within scratchbox, how do you package it up into a .deb file to installation | 01:29 |
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| whodat | how do i get google roads on maemo maps? | 03:06 |
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| whodat | 5B | 03:30 |
| lopz | hola | 03:30 |
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| mgedmin | google roads? | 03:55 |
| mgedmin | you mean the street map? | 03:55 |
| mgedmin | you should be able to download repositories from the menu | 03:55 |
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| lewing | is XSPSetTSRawMode still used? | 04:13 |
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| bef0rd | http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg282/rizzy811/iphonevsstone.jpg | 04:33 |
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| mgedmin | reminds me of http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajaxed/2212112946/ | 04:36 |
| moontiger | thats hilarious | 04:38 |
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| dick-richardson | where's the setting to have the mail app check for new messages? | 05:32 |
| dick-richardson | the time interval... | 05:33 |
| lopz | night | 05:33 |
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| whodat | largest capacity mini sd for n810 is 8gb? | 06:48 |
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| tank-man | i hear there are 16gb microsd, could use that with micro-mini adapter | 07:06 |
| tank-man | adaptor? | 07:06 |
| tank-man | adapter | 07:07 |
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| closet_ | tank-man: yup http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24245 :) | 07:39 |
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| orifice | does canola support Daap ? | 07:53 |
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| RST38h | "The boom in women pretending to be lesbians to attract attention is leaving a trail of emotional destruction, according to a social commentator... Several high-profile relationships involving "real lesbians" and women more often linked to men -- such as MTV's Ruby Rose and Jess Origliasso, and Samantha Ronson and Lindsay Lohan -- have reportedly encouraged a wave of fauxmosexuals on the real life party circuit." | 08:16 |
| Proteous | fauxmosexual | 08:18 |
| Proteous | hmm | 08:18 |
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| Proteous | I hate blogs where every comment is a fricking trackback | 08:18 |
| RST38h | "queerer an queerer" (c)Alice | 08:18 |
| closet_ | orifice: don't think so, just upnp. | 08:19 |
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| moontiger | RST38h, yah that stuff pisses me off | 08:32 |
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| * RST38h just finds it weird | 08:33 | |
| moontiger | which bit? | 08:34 |
| RST38h | And, as our muslim friend Ahmadinejad would say "a sign of the social and moral collapse of the Western civilization" =) | 08:34 |
| moontiger | what ... gay people? | 08:36 |
| moontiger | or faux gay people? | 08:36 |
| RST38h | faux gay people | 08:36 |
| RST38h | gay people are not specific to any time or location | 08:36 |
| moontiger | heh good ... me too | 08:36 |
| moontiger | some of my best friends are gay | 08:37 |
| summatusmentis | why do faux gay people anger you? | 08:37 |
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| moontiger | they dont anger me ... they are just pathetic | 08:38 |
| summatusmentis | pathetic how? | 08:38 |
| RST38h | they don't anger me, why would they? | 08:38 |
| RST38h | I just find the trend weird | 08:38 |
| summatusmentis | I agree that it's sort of odd | 08:38 |
| RST38h | same as metrosexuals really, but those I can still classify as narcisstic | 08:39 |
| moontiger | pathetic that they pretend to be something | 08:39 |
| summatusmentis | I don't ever really understand people who pretend to be things regardless of orientation | 08:40 |
| RST38h | lots of people pretend to be something but why the hell would you pretend to be a lesbian? =) | 08:40 |
| RST38h | [with politically correct rage] summa, lesbians are not "things", they are people | 08:41 |
| moontiger | thank you | 08:41 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: no, I'm aware, by thing, I meant something they're not | 08:41 |
| summatusmentis | or someone they're not | 08:41 |
| summatusmentis | or w/e | 08:41 |
| RST38h | All of us do every now and then, I am pretty sure you have as well | 08:42 |
| summatusmentis | that wasn't intended as objectification | 08:42 |
| summatusmentis | I really, really, try not to | 08:42 |
| RST38h | ideally, yes... | 08:42 |
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| RST38h | oh well, time to go to work. | 08:42 |
| summatusmentis | I make choices in my life, as consicously as possible, to not fall into being someone I'm not | 08:43 |
| RST38h | it is not very comfortable for a long period of time, yes | 08:43 |
| moontiger | agreed | 08:45 |
| fluenis | g'moin @all | 08:46 |
| fluenis | back from a reflash... | 08:46 |
| moontiger | you must have the text color wrong cos i cant see what ur typing | 08:47 |
| fluenis | had some problems with last maemo update | 08:47 |
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| moontiger | ooooops i didnt mean him to get upset | 08:47 |
| moontiger | :( | 08:47 |
| summatusmentis | stop being so insensitive :P | 08:48 |
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| fluenis | hope it'" +35534 <92 | 08:49 |
| fluenis | hope it's better now | 08:49 |
| moontiger | fluenis, i was joking ... im sorry if u took me seriously | 08:50 |
| moontiger | :| | 08:50 |
| fluenis | stupid mistakes at the mornin time... hadn't got my coffee now | 08:50 |
| moontiger | forgive me :) | 08:51 |
| fluenis | anyway - had some probs with the update | 08:51 |
| fluenis | hildon desk took about 20% load all the time | 08:51 |
| moontiger | i get that on mine too ... 10% - 20% | 08:52 |
| fluenis | and after two days without staying a single day with a charge my n810 came to a rebooting circle on power on time | 08:53 |
| fluenis | i had to reflash... | 08:53 |
| fluenis | but it' interesting how it happened... my system is cloned on to intern 2gigs | 08:55 |
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| moontiger | why clone it? | 08:57 |
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| orifice | hmm | 09:22 |
| orifice | what can I do if I've corrupted my /etc/sudeors file | 09:22 |
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| orifice | so that I can't edit it because I need root privleges, but can't because sudo cannot read /etc/sudoers | 09:23 |
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| moontiger | on n810? | 09:23 |
| orifice | yews | 09:23 |
| moontiger | install ssh and login to localhost as root | 09:23 |
| moontiger | then edit it | 09:23 |
| orifice | great | 09:24 |
| moontiger | ;) | 09:24 |
| orifice | thx | 09:24 |
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| gnuite | Anyone else unable to access ITT? | 10:17 |
| gnuite | Or have I been banned? :) | 10:17 |
| Pavlov | mm | 10:18 |
| Pavlov | i can | 10:18 |
| gnuite | And just like that, it's back. | 10:19 |
| inz | I won't | 10:19 |
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| Proteous | damnit, reban him | 10:24 |
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| X-Fade | Moning. | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | lol, Morning. | 10:26 |
| dneary | hi | 10:29 |
| * moontiger is fighting with dbus | 10:30 | |
| moontiger | *sigh* | 10:30 |
| inz | Why? | 10:30 |
| inz | Work with it, don't fight it | 10:30 |
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| moontiger | hehe well im trying to understand it | 10:32 |
| moontiger | and code it using glib | 10:33 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:38 |
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| RST38h | Enjoy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302701.html?nav=rss_email/components | 11:09 |
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| * melmoth is looking for someone who likes to write php :) | 11:22 | |
| melmoth | I have a "phonehome" daemon nearly ready, that send gps info and some pic on a remote xmlrcp server | 11:22 |
| melmoth | i will definitively make something just ofr my own, but it could be fun (for somebody enjoying php, wich i dont) to have a sort of community site around | 11:23 |
| melmoth | like, with logins and pass, and some nice display of where your stoled tablet has been the last couple of days on googlemaps | 11:24 |
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| inz | Anyone willing to test my ai pack for blobby volley 2: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/b/blobby-ai/blobby-ai_0.1_all.deb | 11:31 |
| moontiger | melmoth i do php | 11:31 |
| moontiger | tell me what u need and i'll code it for you | 11:32 |
| moontiger | lauren at gagfoot dot com | 11:32 |
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| moontiger | have to go to bed now ... its real late | 11:32 |
| melmoth | ok | 11:32 |
| melmoth | moontiger: is moontiger your itt nick ? | 11:33 |
| moontiger | itt? | 11:33 |
| melmoth | internettablet talk | 11:33 |
| moontiger | not a member | 11:33 |
| moontiger | lauren is my garage.maemo name | 11:33 |
| moontiger | and my name ;) | 11:33 |
| melmoth | ok. | 11:33 |
| moontiger | email me and i will build it for you | 11:33 |
| moontiger | :) | 11:33 |
| melmoth | cool. thanks. | 11:34 |
| moontiger | nite nite | 11:34 |
| melmoth | good night | 11:34 |
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| mikkov_ | inz: Can I include your AI to blobby package? | 11:43 |
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| mikkov_ | inz: hmm, licence of AIs isn't very clear. Maybe better to keep them separated. Anyway 2fast4uvo2 beat me 15-0 ;) | 12:01 |
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| hellwolf | how could I pre-download maps for specific places in maemo-mapper | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | hellwolf, view the area | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | hellwolf, then go into map configuration or something, and there's a part called "Download" | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | you can select which increments to download | 12:22 |
| hellwolf | okok, thanks, then another question is, which disk it downloads to | 12:22 |
| hellwolf | 256M or 2G | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | IMC, IIRC | 12:23 |
| hellwolf | thanks :) | 12:24 |
| hellwolf | it told me "Invalid orgin or query" | 12:25 |
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| hellwolf | I chose "Use GPS location, Category: Transportation" | 12:25 |
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| lardman | that's pois | 12:31 |
| lardman | you can change the download location too in the map settings dialog | 12:32 |
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| hellwolf | thanks a lot. Then, is there any shortcut keys for maemo-mapper | 12:34 |
| hellwolf | for example, I want to zoom in/out with keys | 12:34 |
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| lardman | use the +/- on the top | 12:37 |
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| hellwolf | :) ah, I almost forgot that keys | 12:38 |
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| hrw | o lcuk | 13:09 |
| lcuk | hiya hrw :D | 13:11 |
| lcuk | hrw, do you remember me saying something about multitouch "simulation" last time we met? | 13:13 |
| hrw | somtehing | 13:13 |
| lcuk | heh, well i get my thoughts into code | 13:13 |
| hrw | cool | 13:14 |
| lcuk | and it appears to work as well as i expected | 13:14 |
| lcuk | obviously its not full multitouch, but it allows for a thumb press and then finger adjustments | 13:14 |
| lcuk | liqbase.net has a bit of info and a deb to have a looksie at | 13:14 |
| * lcuk was hoping to have stuff in extras this week, but some users have been reporting a graphical glitch on first run - its annoying as feck | 13:15 | |
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| lcuk | crap, bbsoon | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | god, gtk takes -ages- to build | 13:28 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, you need to get that beagleboard working for you | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: oh, it works, it's just my rs232 connector that sucks | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | which makes initial boot difficult | 13:30 |
| johnx | ah | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | i tested glib-maemo yesterday, that worked | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, it could be interesting if maemo-gtk is compatible with normal gtk, even if it's not the other way | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | could make porting maemo apps a .. lot easier | 13:32 |
| suihkulokki | thats bit of a dead end | 13:32 |
| suihkulokki | maemos gtk changes need to be merged into mainline gtk | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and i would really prefer that | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: just working on some proof of concepts to see how dependant on maemo typical maemo apps are | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: how active is the whole pkg-maemo part of debian though? | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | from what i can tell most activity goes on in ubuntu mobile these days :P | 13:39 |
| lardman | andre___: sorry I've not got round to installing the new scratchbox yet | 13:42 |
| lardman | andre___: but I imagine it should be assuming we move to GCC 4.x.x | 13:42 |
| lardman | andre___: re bug #1623 | 13:42 |
| andre___ | ah, take your time :) if you don't answer i'll close after a few months :-P | 13:42 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: it's pining for the fjords :P | 13:43 |
| lardman | andre___: lol | 13:43 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: at the moment things are indeed a bit silent in debian-maemo, I think most people are waiting for lenny before going back to active development | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | i've managed to compile most of u-m's packages for deblet.. sortof works (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/deblet-mobile.png) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | or debian maemo packages: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png | 13:46 |
| suihkulokki | iirc when I was last active, the main problems with mainline <-> maemo gtk were | 13:49 |
| suihkulokki | 1) input methods glue in maemo-gtk | 13:50 |
| suihkulokki | 2) the hacky tap-and-hold support injected in maemo-gtk | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | jesus. i need to clean my desk. several serial cables, nokia n800, infrared node, dect telephone, cellphone, pocket loox 420, beagleboard, USRP.. | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 13:53 |
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| inz | mikkov, I agree on the licenses | 14:07 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I guarantee my desk is smaller and more crammed with stuff :P | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:21 |
| * aquatix looks at his awefully empty desk at work | 14:21 | |
| aquatix | need more stuff | 14:21 |
| aquatix | at home it's comfortably cluttery | 14:21 |
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| melmoth | what shoudl be the correct format to print a pid_t on armel ? | 14:43 |
| melmoth | nor %d nor %i seems to work (nothing in the output). Works on scatchbox x86 though | 14:43 |
| melmoth | Actually, it s printed on g_printf, but not on fprintf | 14:44 |
| solmumaha | anyone want to debianize duke3d and push it to extras? | 14:46 |
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| Khertan | Hello everyone ! | 15:00 |
| Khertan | a small little question ... have you already see this small crypting module ... : http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ | 15:01 |
| Khertan | i'm not a specialist but for me it s look like using a 32bit key ... | 15:01 |
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| pupnik810 | we need an easier, more user-friendly way to reconfigure menus -- are maemo menus getting big changes down the road? | 15:10 |
| pupnik810 | hi btw | 15:10 |
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| solmumaha | hi arnim | 15:10 |
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| Khertan | we need an easier : it could not be so easier as actually ... | 15:14 |
| Khertan | it s pretty simple to use | 15:14 |
| Khertan | or maybe are you talking about a programmatic way | 15:14 |
| pupnik810 | hi | 15:16 |
| pupnik810 | try deleting entries | 15:17 |
| pupnik810 | i.e. left over grot from some crap install | 15:17 |
| pupnik810 | or is that violating some tablet ui convention ni'm unaware os? | 15:18 |
| pupnik810 | obviously packages should clean these things up | 15:18 |
| Khertan | deleting entries ? are you fool ? | 15:19 |
| Khertan | there is no need to delete it | 15:19 |
| Khertan | it should provide access to all applications available | 15:19 |
| Khertan | if something aren't deleted when removing the application by the application manager, blame the developper / or package maintainer | 15:20 |
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| pupnik810 | yes i see that view | 15:20 |
| lcuk | menus should be liqable ;) | 15:21 |
| Khertan | so why do want to delete entries ? | 15:21 |
| Khertan | lol lcuk | 15:21 |
| pupnik810 | nice verb | 15:21 |
| Khertan | and calendar event should appear too in the menu to not forget it ! | 15:22 |
| Khertan | ;p | 15:22 |
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| pupnik810 | yes i see | 15:22 |
| lcuk | khertan, a simplified grand overview screen would be fantastic, putting events and emails and notifications and info together, :) | 15:23 |
| pupnik810 | desktop or what | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | the desktop lets you do that, but theres no way to simply say i want a main today desktop which adds all 5 applets required" or a business desktop or something | 15:24 |
| pupnik810 | ah ok | 15:24 |
| lcuk | grand schemes of preconfiguged sets of applets would let people either configure individual ones as they do now, or be able to grab the already setup ones people keep flashing on the "show us your screenshots thread | 15:24 |
| lcuk | instead of having to hunt each one down and configure its location have a way to persist current applet positions and settings and send to a friend | 15:25 |
| lcuk | ie take the themes a bit further ;) | 15:26 |
| pupnik810 | hmm | 15:26 |
| lcuk | well thats the simplest less destructive way to both make use of what we have and also expand a little | 15:27 |
| pupnik810 | your project liqbase is ambitious, but what i see is a nice set of ideas | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | pupnik810, yeah, its only ambitious because you havent seen how much code ive got back here ;) ive been so pent up the last few years waiting to get a device like this its all startin to come out now :) | 15:30 |
| lcuk | ive gotta mould it into a clearly defined set of principles and align my mind with the differences of what I thought would work, and now i have the device what actually works | 15:31 |
| lcuk | like the multitouch thing, ive thought it would go in place as I have and its looking promising for now | 15:31 |
| pupnik810 | yes | 15:32 |
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| pupnik810 | ah | 16:16 |
| pupnik810 | in 'select file' dialog i miss ability to paste location | 16:16 |
| pupnik810 | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 16:17 |
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| pupnik810 | ok gotta get some sunlight :) | 16:31 |
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| whodat | anyone alive? :) | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 16:45 |
| aquatix | should we be? | 16:45 |
| whodat | lol | 16:46 |
| whodat | testing out DUN connection from n810 using my treo | 16:47 |
| whodat | for some reason it likes to drop connection after a couple minutes :( | 16:48 |
| Khertan | treo ... this thing is not yet dead ? | 16:48 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:48 |
| whodat | heck no! | 16:48 |
| Khertan | which one ? as some have problem with DUN connection ... (in fact there is no problem, just not fully implemented) | 16:49 |
| whodat | 755p | 16:49 |
| whodat | using the USBModem prc | 16:50 |
| Khertan | never try the 755p | 16:51 |
| whodat | i am just wondering if its just sprint not liking to keep a connection going for a long period (does this happen with other phones when tethering)? | 16:52 |
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| Khertan | whodat: on my 6630 i can keep connection until the battery died | 17:30 |
| Khertan | there is three possibility : | 17:31 |
| Khertan | 1) maemo close connection due to inactivity for a certain amount of time. (a prefs settings) | 17:31 |
| Khertan | 2) Sprint sucks :) | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, there's a setting for idle isnt there? | 17:32 |
| Khertan | 3) Your treo kill connection due to inactivity, or the software use to do modem over bluetooth, or as it s a third party application, maybe a result of the treo going to sleep | 17:32 |
| whodat | where is that setting on the n810 | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | under connection sttings or something in the applet | 17:34 |
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| GAN800 | The applet == connection settings | 17:35 |
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| Khertan | if there is a cryptographic expert ... could you say me if this py module use a 128 key or if it s only a 32bit | 17:51 |
| Khertan | http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ | 17:51 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:51 |
| Khertan | as for me it s look like a 32bit key | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, okay, maemo-gtk definately does not play nice with anything else than hildon | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | it runs, but when a dialog box comes up | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | stuck ;) | 17:55 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: ? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i'm trying to shoehorn Maemo GTK into Deblet | 17:56 |
| Khertan | HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! I VEN'T SEE THE NEWWWWS PYTHON 2.6 IS OFFICIAL !!!! | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | db_connection = DatabaseConnection() with db_connection as cursor: cursor.execute('insert into ...') cursor.execute('delete from ...') # ... more operations ... | 17:59 |
| Khertan | ;) dsl | 17:59 |
| Khertan | sorry | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | PEP 3110 | 18:02 |
| Khertan | good idea | 18:02 |
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| fluenis | hio | 18:03 |
| derf | Khertan: Read the source code. It doesn't take a cryptographic expert to figure out if you're handing something 128 bits of data or 32. | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | derf: i see a [0:32] on the key ... | 18:05 |
| Khertan | so ... | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: what's 8*32? :P | 18:05 |
| derf | You don't need a cryptographic expert. You need someone who actually knows Python. | 18:06 |
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| derf | Which would not be me. | 18:06 |
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| Mek | even the comments in the source code tell it uses a 256bit key | 18:06 |
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| Khertan | eh ho ! | 18:07 |
| Khertan | i prefer reading the notes of python 2.6 changes :) | 18:07 |
| Khertan | yep .. ok ... i ll read the source again ... without reading 1 line on 10 | 18:08 |
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| Khertan | Uses 256 bit Rijndael | 18:09 |
| Khertan | cipher. Key is built from first 32 characters of password | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | i'm near ;) a 32 caracteres keys :) | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | thx | 18:10 |
| * Khertan is a bit tired | 18:10 | |
| Khertan | py2.6:The smtplib module now supports SMTP over SSL | 18:11 |
| Khertan | great | 18:11 |
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| whodat | zzz | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | :) | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/modules_libs/aufs.ko - Got a working module. I changed it to use atomic_cmpxchg instead of cmpxchg because to compile with cmpxchg means kernel modifications. Using atomic_cmpxchg means it can insmod on any variation (rotation etc) of the 2.6.21-omap1 kernel. | 18:25 |
| riot | lol.. the default notes-app is useless. | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | riot: it's okay for browsing text files and sending bluetooth notes i guess :P | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 18:26 |
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| riot | not even multiple documents!? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sounds good :) | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | riot: look at maemopad+ maybe | 18:26 |
| riot | i was reading a book using it (a txt file actually) and then had to open another note.. my book just disappeared.. pfft | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does cmpxchg even exist on arm? .. | 18:26 |
| riot | Stskeeps: ok, i'm gonna check that out. Thx :) | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | riot: fbreader | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: :). I have yet to actually "branch" a folder :P. sysfs interface shows up though | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: You can patch kernel to include it | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | riot: That is a lot better reader. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: But that puts me in same situation as unionfs | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, but cmpxchg is a x86 asm instruction :P | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | so im just wondering | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: maemo gtk really rapes a system, it's kinda impressive | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ouch :/ | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: so i would probably have a "meblet" repo or something people can add if they want a hildon interface :P | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | and give up on all other envs :> | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is normal apps work with it | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, I like having other envs though :/ | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | indeed, but i think this idea might have benefits | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | like, building maemo-like OS'es easily | 18:31 |
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| derf | Stskeeps: ARM6 and above have ldrex and strexeq, but they're not exactly the same semantics as cmpxchg. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:35 |
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| Khertan | bye | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo gtk on debian, not worth it | 19:20 |
| johnx | good effort. I'm glad we came to the same conclusion at least | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i think it might be better for maemo apps to adjust to mainline GTK | 19:21 |
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| bef0rd | maemo gtk as in hildon? | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | nah | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | hildon is a framework, maemo also has gtk extensions | 19:31 |
| johnx | or gtk has specific modifications for maemo | 19:32 |
| bef0rd | oh I see | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< | 19:35 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< ! | 19:35 |
| johnx | qwerty12, why not pull from ibex? the beta is out | 19:35 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: I can use the version from the intrepid repo directly? I have some bad memories when I tried to do something similar :/ | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Or you mean use 8.10 beta I guess | 19:36 |
| johnx | either one, I would try just grabbing the .deb from ibex and seeing if it has other deps | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Worth a try, thanks :) | 19:37 |
| johnx | I take it back | 19:38 |
| johnx | it's split into a whole bunch of sub-packages :/ | 19:38 |
| johnx | so it'd be a pain | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: maybe people need to start wondering if they're coding for hildon, for maemo gtk, or for maemo :P | 19:39 |
| johnx | maybe I should upgrade to ibex beta | 19:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it's bad enough to tell them they're coding for gtk...but not really, cause it's hildon, but gtk is different too, and it's like debian, but not exactly | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: http://pastebin.com/d7237d7 :p | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i should do an opinion article or something about this | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, yeah, I was wrong. :) | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: I was joking :). I was looking at the amount of stuff I'm going to have to compile :p | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | boo, johnx,qwerty,sts | 19:51 |
| johnx | m00f! | 19:52 |
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| qwerty12 | wag1 RST38h | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | moo, RST38h | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | what's new and exciting?=) | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo gtk is evil under non-hildon environments | 19:53 |
| inz | s/under.*$// | 19:53 |
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| bef0rd | heh | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | baaa | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | mooo | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | :D is this a farm | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | *cluck* yes *cluck* | 20:22 |
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| * rm_you waves at Mek and lcuk and qwerty12 | 20:24 | |
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| qwerty12 | heh, hey rm_you | 20:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, it looks like at the cost of a broken apt, I'm getting my vlc 0.9.4 :P | 20:25 |
| * Mek waves back at rm_you | 20:25 | |
| penguinbait | what did you break now :) | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | I replaced some libs with ones I compiled from ubuntu intrepid and it's not liking it :p. but I want vlc so I'll edit the status file later :P | 20:27 |
| * qwerty12 wants to try knots :) | 20:27 | |
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| penguinbait | can't you just place the libs somewhere else and call vlc with LD path poing to other libs? | 20:28 |
| penguinbait | pointing that is | 20:28 |
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| rm_you | jott: why did you change from unstable to intrepid (in the ABL changelog)? | 20:28 |
| rm_you | I copied you, but I'm not really sure why | 20:28 |
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| penguinbait | ust export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/lib in script file that launches vlc? | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait: I can't be bothered in all honesty :). All I want is an vlc that I run like normal :). I blame ubuntu people for not compiling vlc 0.94 for 8.04 | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | hiya rm_you | 20:30 |
| lcuk | my missus would like to throttle you btw | 20:30 |
| rm_you | lol? | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | tshirt blue ink and white other clothing... | 20:30 |
| rm_you | ROFL | 20:30 |
| rm_you | notmyfault | 20:30 |
| johnx | qwerty12, for not shipping new stuff into a distro about to be replaced? :P | 20:30 |
| lcuk | (but thank you, its the design i really wanted and even if it ran a bit i thank you | 20:30 |
| rm_you | i didn't have any issues washing mine | 20:31 |
| * lcuk will prop you up in mcdonalds anytime | 20:31 | |
| rm_you | i wonder wtf she did :P | 20:31 |
| rm_you | rofl | 20:31 |
| lcuk | she washed it, like everything else gets washed | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: yeah, exactly! :P | 20:31 |
| rm_you | I was thinking about that... i really don't remember anything after that :P | 20:31 |
| lcuk | the high quality maemo.org originals have not run :P | 20:31 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:31 |
| rm_you | well the three I washed worked fine | 20:32 |
| lcuk | (thank you quim etc) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | how many of you depend on libconic0, and then icd? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | holy crap, i just got shouted at for giggling at this: http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/condom-truck-tips-spills-load/ | 20:32 |
| rm_you | did it dye ITSELF? | 20:32 |
| rm_you | if so, that's bizzorken | 20:32 |
| lcuk | as well as other things | 20:32 |
| lcuk | not seriously, but theres a blue hue on stuff now | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: please do call me Sts or Stskeeps next time ;) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | not as bad as the red sock incident of '99 | 20:33 |
| rm_you | lol did I mess up the caps? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:33 |
| rm_you | sorry | 20:33 |
| rm_you | I'll fix it before release | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, don't apologize | 20:33 |
| lcuk | rm_you, are you busy right now? | 20:33 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: kinda >_> | 20:33 |
| rm_you | i wish i had more time | 20:34 |
| lcuk | damn! and theres me wanting you to see the new improved liqbase - now with added glitches :| | 20:34 |
| rm_you | OH | 20:34 |
| rm_you | Stskeep's | 20:34 |
| rm_you | needs to be Stskeeps' | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: worst problem about maemo apps is the fact most depend on some of the properitary libs (libconic0, -> icd), and there's no way in hell nokia starts allowing redistributing some of their binaries | 20:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:34 |
| rm_you | lcuk: you can send it on over, i might have time to look | 20:35 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. I hit that in beta2 | 20:35 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ | 20:35 |
| rm_you | i need to take a shower and head back over to campus <_< | 20:35 |
| rm_you | ooo neat | 20:35 |
| lcuk | yeah :) i thought so as well | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: for the sake of the platform sanity for maemo, when people's n8x0s get fucked over by nokia no more providing updates, they're at a dead end | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | .. or something | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | now i'm just enraged, i'll go buy cis | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | cigs | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:36 |
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| * lcuk looks at libxsp and cries | 20:36 | |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: is that right? Stskeep's -> Stskeeps' ? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | Stskeeps' | 20:36 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 20:36 |
| rm_you | grammar failure on my part :P | 20:36 |
| penguinbait | If your gonna smoke, at least find something worth smoking! | 20:36 |
| lcuk | hiya pb | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: did cuban cigars while in dublin | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | hey! | 20:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I always wondered how icd would affect people's licensing choices | 20:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, wouldnt that be Irish cigars? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: then again libconic0 is open | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it would technically be possible to adapt to NM and such | 20:38 |
| johnx | well, a wrapper that does nothing could be possible I guess then | 20:38 |
| johnx | nm doesn't let apps control it, only listen for its events | 20:39 |
| johnx | AFAIK | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | nm-applet controls nm over dbus | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | mamona did a -cli network manager, so i guess it's possible | 20:39 |
| lcuk | can't we just replace the nokia network thing with libcomic0 and laugh our way onto the net (i read it as comic every single time) | 20:39 |
| johnx | ah, ok. I guess I was imagining something controlling nm-applet | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | don't know if there's api for "get me online by asking the user to pick the desired wifi name", probably not | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | theres an api for get me online using this connection id (used to be name) | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | and i assume theres a complimentary api for list all the connections | 20:40 |
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| * lcuk digs out the email | 20:41 | |
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| lcuk | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/41806 | 20:42 |
| * lcuk knew he replied to that thread for a reason :) | 20:42 | |
| rm_you | johnx: when are you coming back exactly for xmas? | 20:43 |
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| rm_you | you have tickets already right? | 20:43 |
| lcuk | rm_you, this year johnx will mainly be playing santa, he will fly over your house at exactly 1:36am and if you have been a good boy will come down your black hole errrr chimney | 20:44 |
| rm_you | O_o | 20:44 |
| melmoth | mgedmin: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libconic-0.16/conicconnection_8h.html | 20:44 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 20:45 |
| crashanddie | and johnx will be singing "Dashing through the sand, with a bomb strapped to my back, I have a nasty plan, for christmas in Iraq" | 20:45 |
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| johnx | O_o | 20:46 |
| rm_you | O_o | 20:46 |
| RST38h | that should be some camel singing | 20:46 |
| lcuk | oi! stop eying each other up | 20:46 |
| penguinbait | ( o ) ( o ) | 20:46 |
| RST38h | btw, johnx, if you have not seen it yet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302701.html | 20:46 |
| crashanddie | "ooooh, Jingle Bombs, Jingle Bombs, Mine blew up you see... Where are all these virgins that Bin Laden promised me???" | 20:46 |
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| skibur | lol | 20:47 |
| skibur | penguinbait, are you a slacker? | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | yes, why yes I am, how can I not help you :) | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | why slacker? | 20:49 |
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| skibur | Ever got the Text-to-Speech to work? | 20:49 |
| skibur | Slackware | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | yes the text to speech is working | 20:49 |
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| skibur | using flite? | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | uh, I am a redhat biggot by trade | 20:49 |
| lcuk | shame its stuck speaking in a strange swedish/liverpudlian combination accent | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | I compiled full festival and even had spanish voices | 20:50 |
| skibur | o ok nice | 20:50 |
| skibur | thanks | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | does not work with maemo mapper though, | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | well I have not tested the latest version, Gnuite was supposed to fix it | 20:50 |
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| skibur | nice | 20:52 |
| rm_you | damnit lcuk | 20:53 |
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| rm_you | there's no shift on your keyboard | 20:53 |
| rm_you | I can't enter my name | 20:54 |
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| rm_you | wheee graphics corruption | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, vi ~/.liqbase/liqbase.prefs | 20:55 |
| lcuk | rm_you, !! you have corruption? | 20:55 |
| lcuk | seriously? | 20:55 |
| lcuk | dont close it | 20:55 |
| rm_you | yeah, want the log? | 20:55 |
| rm_you | too late >_> | 20:55 |
| lcuk | damn | 20:55 |
| lcuk | run it again, see if it does it | 20:55 |
| lcuk | no1 can reproduce it | 20:55 |
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| rm_you | should i move the log first? | 20:55 |
| lcuk | no, it expands | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: isn't rm -rf ~/.liqbase able to reproduce it? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | you can send it me in a min | 20:56 |
| cars__ | I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile. Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its not the files thats the problem: its reproducable if you uninstall and reinstall even with those files there | 20:56 |
| rm_you | lcuk: hrm | 20:56 |
| lcuk | but i cant reproduce it anyway - i really think its something outside | 20:57 |
| rm_you | lcuk: nope | 20:57 |
| lcuk | have u still got corruptions? | 20:57 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ok, interesting fact | 20:57 |
| rm_you | no | 20:57 |
| rm_you | but interesting fact | 20:57 |
| * lcuk holds breath | 20:57 | |
| rm_you | so it loaded fine, i clicked on physics sim, it went corrupt, i hit the esc key (the little hardware button above home) once, and it EXITED | 20:57 |
| rm_you | vs, this time, i ran it, hit physics sim, it worked, hit esc key once, back to main menu | 20:58 |
| lcuk | now, thats probably to do with folders and no contents and stuff and should be reproducable and fixable | 20:58 |
| lcuk | ill look at that this evening | 20:58 |
| rm_you | btw, what is this little thing in the corner of each button? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | crashes are sortable, this strange corruption isnt | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | hm, what was Sardine supposed to be again? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | a development release afaik | 20:59 |
| RST38h | old story now | 20:59 |
| rm_you | looks like almost the letters 'eq' | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | which had what purpose? | 20:59 |
| rm_you | or eo | 21:00 |
| RST38h | didn't have to have a purpose it was just another Maemo OS release | 21:00 |
| rm_you | or something | 21:00 |
| lcuk | its gonna forward through to sketch editor in a short while to allow editing individual buttons to your spec | 21:00 |
| lcuk | its "ed"! | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | but i dont yet have the folders and methods ready to allow you to do this, ive just completed moving all the styles together | 21:01 |
| rm_you | ok | 21:01 |
| lcuk | i want you to be able to pimp your own liqbase :) | 21:01 |
| rm_you | well, just FYI, the box is way too small, can't actually read it | 21:01 |
| lcuk | no i know, i changed the font on it v recently | 21:01 |
| rm_you | k | 21:01 |
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| * lcuk will remove it tonight for standard package ;) | 21:01 | |
| lcuk | brb tea ready | 21:01 |
| rm_you | wait | 21:01 |
| lcuk | thanks rm, and make sure you try the multitouch test | 21:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: two more comments and then i have to run too | 21:01 |
| lcuk | then post and ill see in a minute | 21:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: in the test area, the images are squished vertically | 21:02 |
| rm_you | 2, where is the multitouch test? | 21:02 |
| RST38h | there is multitouch in n8x0? =) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | rm options/multitouch test | 21:02 |
| lcuk | read the notes on liqbase.net | 21:03 |
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| penguinbait | who | grep -i blonde; date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; head; mount; gasp; yes; unmount; sleep 3600 | 21:03 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ah it works alright when i use one hand | 21:03 |
| rm_you | when i try actually using thumb and other finger, it breaks | 21:03 |
| rm_you | like, i'm holding down hard on the thumb, and it still forgets about it | 21:04 |
| cars__ | sounds painful | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | heh | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, try using your nails | 21:05 |
| lcuk | rm_you, the device is not goatse, you dont have to spread the screen | 21:05 |
| rm_you | rofl | 21:05 |
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| * lcuk renames rm_you moses | 21:05 | |
| rm_you | yeah works a lot better with nails | 21:05 |
| lcuk | its a test, works with pads on my little fingers | 21:06 |
| RST38h | May I make a suggestion about multitouch? | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, I noticed that it has a hard time tracking fingers (big blobs, rather than small points) | 21:06 |
| * qwerty12_N800 prefers goatsemarathon over goatse | 21:06 | |
| lcuk | you fat gingered fecker ;) | 21:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:06 |
| sinak | hello. I am at maemo.org and when I push the Click to install button, it doesn't start the download. It shows me just a page | 21:06 |
| rm_you | also, have to fight the urge to move the thumb | 21:06 |
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| rm_you | sinak: are you on your tablet or a pc? | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, that's open to discussion :) | 21:06 |
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| sinak | on N800 | 21:06 |
| lcuk | rm_you, partial is one step up from 0 :) | 21:06 |
| rm_you | lcuk: no, i am very happy with how this works :P | 21:07 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: needs a test with actual image scaling / rotation | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | sinak, try holding the stylus on the link until menu pops up, the select save target as | 21:07 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but i havent got bitmap rotation code yet ;) | 21:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk: well gotta run <_< | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Why not avoid simulating multitouch and make user CIRCLE the area of interest instead? | 21:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk: looks very nice tho | 21:07 |
| lcuk | alright rm, thanks for testing | 21:07 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, I've been making a few mockups | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, and ideas like that have been popping up | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | am i retarded or is the svn/tar.gz for libconic 0.16 impossible to find? | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, basically, I've been stealing ideas from Anand | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, I'm hoping to implement a few of his ideas/techniques in liqbase at some point in the future | 21:09 |
| sinak | penguinbait I saved it, and run it, but it didn't work | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | !doesntwork | 21:09 |
| povbot | crashanddie: Error: "doesntwork" is not a valid command. | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | what are you saving? | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | oh you useless bot | 21:09 |
| RST38h | !tet | 21:09 |
| povbot | RST38h: Error: "tet" is not a valid command. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | !test | 21:09 |
| povbot | RST38h: Error: "test" is not a valid command. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | !quit | 21:09 |
| povbot | RST38h: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | !whoami | 21:10 |
| povbot | crashanddie: I don't recognize you. | 21:10 |
| sinak | penguinbait get_installfile | 21:10 |
| penguinbait | what are you trying to download? | 21:10 |
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| crashanddie | !that'snotwhatIasked,IwantedtoknowwhoIwas | 21:10 |
| povbot | crashanddie: Error: "that'snotwhatIasked,IwantedtoknowwhoIwas" is not a valid command. | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, why 0.16 :p | 21:10 |
| sinak | penguinbait the easy-deb-chroot | 21:10 |
| crashanddie | !say donut | 21:11 |
| povbot | crashanddie: Error: "say" is not a valid command. | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, sort out povbot | 21:11 |
| crashanddie | !help | 21:11 |
| povbot | crashanddie: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: cos i found it on mxr.* but not anywhere else | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i can get you 0.18 | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | nm. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah. | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | just saw that too | 21:12 |
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| penguinbait | http://qole.maemobox.org/easy-deb-chroot.install | 21:12 |
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| penguinbait | are you opening application manager and installing from file? | 21:13 |
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| sinak | penguinbait yes | 21:13 |
| sinak | and it give me an error | 21:13 |
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| crashanddie | sinak, WHAT ERROR? | 21:14 |
| sinak | unable to refresh application list | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | oh | 21:14 |
| sinak | unable to access catalogues | 21:14 |
| sinak | i have internet connection | 21:15 |
| lcuk | main power turn on | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | Its usually a repo not responding, I usually go to xterm as root and run "apt-get update" and it will tell you what repo is failing | 21:16 |
| sinak | ok i 'll try it | 21:16 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, not everyone has root | 21:17 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, i mean | 21:17 |
| sinak | lcuk i have root :-) | 21:18 |
| lcuk | then you are all set :D | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | you can also go into your repos on the tablet, and try disabling all but extras | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | what, who does not have root? | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | got root? | 21:18 |
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| penguinbait | I like this shirt :) http://shop.cafepress.com/design/9957611 | 21:21 |
| lcuk | amazing, cafepress is borkened | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i have set minimum font to be a tiny bit larger than microscopic.. | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | the damned menu wraps and wont let me select mens tshirts | 21:23 |
| johnx | lcuk, same here. They're a rip-off anyways, so no loss | 21:24 |
| lcuk | lol johnx, i know that i just wanted to check em out | 21:24 |
| lcuk | i can anyway, the menu doesnt go away if i use scroll wheel | 21:25 |
| lcuk | so careful positioning of mouse and wheeling made it work ;) | 21:25 |
| bef0rd | hey lcuk I am not sure if you have already noticed this, but if liqbase is open, and the screen goes 'off', when you tap the screen again, liqbase has been closed | 21:25 |
| RST38h | penguinebait: I had to quote this at least twice today, at work | 21:25 |
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| sinak | penguinbait i did the root thing, and it worked. Now when i'm trying to install from file, it says "Unable to download easy-deb-chroot. Application package not found" | 21:25 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, yes, intentional since i know feck all about hildonization (seriously feck all im at a loss how to handle each event) | 21:26 |
| lcuk | so id rather bail out then than leave liqbase hidden in background eating all stylus events and flattening battery with no way to recover | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | I have not really looked through it, but you might want to look out here | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272 | 21:26 |
| bef0rd | oh, I see, maybe you can make it save the current drawing (if the user is at the drawing section) | 21:27 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, yes, thats happened to me only once or twice, i do understand and will at the very least be moving the bailout onto the module level to give each a chance to do something about it | 21:28 |
| lcuk | :$ sorry | 21:28 |
| * lcuk will resolve this this evening :) | 21:29 | |
| bef0rd | heh cool | 21:30 |
| bef0rd | gotta go | 21:30 |
| lcuk | alright, thanks for the nudge | 21:30 |
| bef0rd | bye, college time | 21:30 |
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| sinak | what is chinook? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | earlier version of os2008 | 21:31 |
| lcuk | replaced since by diablo | 21:31 |
| sinak | ah ok | 21:31 |
| sinak | thanks | 21:31 |
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| penguinbait | chinook = A moist warm wind blowing from the sea in coastal regions of the Pacific Northwest. | 21:33 |
| lcuk | or a helicopter | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | bbl | 21:35 |
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| Pavlov | ok, so, how do i build a recent mercurial in scratchbox? | 22:06 |
| Pavlov | 0.9.1 is not cutting it | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm pondering if maemo chroot really is such a bad idea. | 22:06 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, the one reason *I* personally don't like it is that it only solves the problem for the n8x0 with the current software | 22:07 |
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| johnx | I've been playing with matchbox/gpe on deblet. I'll poke at it more tomorrow | 22:08 |
| johnx | but for now...sleep | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 22:09 |
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| melmoth | moontiger: you here ? | 22:10 |
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| moontiger | oh hey :) | 22:15 |
| moontiger | yes | 22:15 |
| moontiger | got to pop out in aminute tho | 22:15 |
| moontiger | so i built the db | 22:15 |
| moontiger | and i can get the plumbing code in place today and tomorrow | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | what are you two building, out of curiousity? | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233546&postcount=24 <- oh that one is definately interesting | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks nokia lawyers will be all over qqil like ants on a picnic | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| moontiger | melmoth, i have to go out for an hour | 22:18 |
| moontiger | :) | 22:18 |
| Pavlov | no one knows how to build new mercurial in scratchbox? | 22:18 |
| moontiger | brb | 22:18 |
| melmoth | ok. | 22:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Pavlov, get the source for the one in extras and look in debian folder and see how he/she compiled that one. | 22:19 |
| melmoth | Stskeeps: a "phone home" daemon in case the tablet i stolen | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | melmoth: ah | 22:20 |
| Pavlov | qwerty12_N800: its part of the maemo3-tools stuff | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | melmoth: sounds cool | 22:20 |
| l7 | hey, has anyone tried those 32GB SDHC cards yet? | 22:20 |
| l7 | i'm still waiting for their prices to come down to 80-100, but they seem really handy | 22:21 |
| l7 | 64GB of storage in a n800.... | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's a lot of mobile porn. | 22:22 |
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| l7 | yeah | 22:22 |
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| l7 | or mp3s | 22:23 |
| l7 | or movies | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | definately want to put sd cards in other pockets when going through customs.. | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:23 |
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| yacoob | saaay. | 22:29 |
| yacoob | http://qole.blogspot.com/2008/10/easy-debian-moves-to-extras-devel.html | 22:30 |
| yacoob | is that true? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | what's true? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's what qole does | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | quite amazing feat really | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | (hi qole!) | 22:32 |
| yacoob | that it works. "big" applications running fine on tablet? | 22:32 |
| yacoob | I mean, that's probably true, but it's hard for me to believe in. And I don't have my tablet handy to actually test it. | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | well depends what you mean, it works quite decently but there's always tradeoffs | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | a 400mhz box isn't completely bad you know | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | these tablets are quite capable | 22:34 |
| yacoob | I need to test it, hm. | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sBwHgktpg <- old video before speedups | 22:35 |
| * summatusmentis is contemplating getting rid of his n810 | 22:36 | |
| Stskeeps | i take donations O:) | 22:36 |
| yacoob | in favour of? | 22:36 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 xchat is blinking at me for no reason :/ | 22:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, usuk | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now it's blinking for a reason. :P | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 22:38 |
| summatusmentis | yacoob: in favor of a single device (iPod Touch) | 22:38 |
| yacoob | btw, is this debian chroot installer changing anything in the boot sequence of the tablet? How invasive is it? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | yacoob: no, not at all | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | it is very little invasive | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | summatusmentis: but if you were to just "get rid" of your n810, give it to qwerty12_N800 ;) who knows what kind of stuff he could pull off with it | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, probably not much :p. n800 4 lyf :p | 22:39 |
| summatusmentis | Stskeeps: well, 'get rid' needs to help fund my next device :) | 22:39 |
| yacoob | summatusmentis, well, if it works for you better... I'm looking at my wife's ipod touch and I'm comparing the devices from time to time | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | summatusmentis: hehe | 22:40 |
| yacoob | lack of bt or gps pretty much kills it for me | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | yacoob: I like the specs on the n810 much better, but there's not enough batter life for media | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | I don't use the gps enough, none of the UIs I've found make it usable | 22:40 |
| yacoob | also, I have this uneasy feeling that ipod touch/iphone is palmish, in some sense. No filesystem that user can access... | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | I would be jailbreaking it, most definitely | 22:41 |
| yacoob | summatusmentis, ah, media. Then sure, it would probably be better :) | 22:41 |
| yacoob | my main uses for tablet are fbreader, maemo mapper, gpxviewer and notecase | 22:41 |
| yacoob | after last update the browser got good enough to start using tiddly too | 22:42 |
| yacoob | (which iphone funnily isn't able to render 8) | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | my main uses are 'internet' (messaging, web), and I'd like media | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott, grr, you don't keep xrandr in your rotation repo :) | 22:43 |
| summatusmentis | currently I'm using my iPod for media, but it's dying | 22:43 |
| summatusmentis | the browser is really slow | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, xrandr is bundled | 22:43 |
| yacoob | well, it's gecko :) | 22:44 |
| yacoob | webkit is just simply faster | 22:44 |
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| summatusmentis | http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ <- this tiddly? | 22:44 |
| yacoob | yup | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | But wasn't anywhere near usable when Nokia decided to ship an open-source browser. | 22:44 |
| summatusmentis | if I can get rid of my Zaurus, I might be able to justify a Touch and keep my n8100 | 22:45 |
| yacoob | I've tested it with ipod touch and it was taking ages for the page to actually render (or probably for the js to execute) | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | n810* | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw qqil's surprising attitude on the pandora thread? | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | about experimentation | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, the xrandr command line app, i don't have it installed here or see it available for install :) | 22:45 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, surprising? | 22:45 |
| GAN800 | qwerty, ah, right | 22:45 |
| * GAN800 dumbass | 22:45 | |
| Stskeeps | well i wouldn't have expected nokia to have the attitude experimentation is alright for taking closed source components to other platforms | 22:46 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, that was perfectly in character for qgil. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:46 |
| GAN800 | I might've been surprised by it 8 months ago | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | but i suspect when flash starts popping up on pandora and other armel devices.. :P | 22:47 |
| GAN800 | But not lately | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | (which is entirely possible, btw.) | 22:48 |
| yacoob | browser-wise, there's simply a shortage of webkit based browsers. Good ones, that is. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | yacoob: you should try midori | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | speeday. | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i was really impressed with it under deblet | 22:49 |
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| yacoob | what's deblet? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | where easy debian is a chroot running inside maemo, deblet is debian flying on it's own | 22:50 |
| RST38h | moo, General | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's comparable with an elephant trying to fly, at the moment | 22:50 |
| yacoob | throw elephant at ground, checked | 22:51 |
| yacoob | miss, checked | 22:51 |
| suihkulokki | webkit, atleast the gtk flavour, is simply too crashy atm | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, RST38h. | 22:51 |
| yacoob | I wonder whether chrome lite will be... usable for anything else than android | 22:52 |
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| melmoth | if you throw it fast enough, even an elephant can fly. | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | why fly when you can smoke weed and get high | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ poser druggy. :P | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | hm, are there other options than ondemand and performance? | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, i hate you :p | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | battery | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or whatever they call the slow mode. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | battery? | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 <3 | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I assume you have a working charger now? | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, grab the kernel source. iirc, more modes can be added via modules (i think) | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, yep | 23:19 |
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| RST38h | ~curse MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff | 23:29 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff ! | 23:29 |
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| macoute_ | RST38h: do you really think that using infobot is kinda cool? | 23:31 |
| macoute_ | no offence, though | 23:31 |
| macoute_ | im just kinda surprised about the current, pretty heavy usage of infobot which doesnt do anything which would add to our information | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, http://slexy.org/view/s20LayA5VH | 23:32 |
| macoute_ | RST38h: you could just as well say yourself that you dont like MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff | 23:32 |
| macoute_ | theres no need to use any bot what so ever | 23:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, you don't have to listen to this | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state is interesting | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | that can definately be used to detect bad behaviour | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:35 |
| moontiger | back | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | grr, i just went through mxr, when i could have done cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors | 23:35 |
| moontiger | hel melmoth | 23:35 |
| moontiger | sorry bot=ut that ... neighbour wanted to go for lunch | 23:36 |
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| melmoth | dont be sorry lunch are importants part of life. | 23:40 |
| moontiger | hehe | 23:41 |
| melmoth | the svn is ready | 23:41 |
| moontiger | so i set up a sub-domain on one of my servers to host the test service | 23:41 |
| moontiger | i called etmaemo | 23:41 |
| moontiger | cos it phones home :) | 23:41 |
| moontiger | and it kinda makes sense in french too | 23:41 |
| melmoth | we call E.T. E.T too | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | not T.E? :P | 23:42 |
| moontiger | so i have a db set up and i can start coding the basics | 23:42 |
| moontiger | one thing tho ... you will have to make the server configurable eventually | 23:42 |
| melmoth | i was wondering if i put the server in a gconf key or not | 23:43 |
| melmoth | i think i will add a gonf key, and put a default one, so it wont be mandatory for people using the "community" server | 23:43 |
| moontiger | right | 23:43 |
| moontiger | good idea | 23:43 |
| moontiger | we can build a simple front end too when we have time | 23:44 |
| moontiger | so does garage have svn available for storage? | 23:44 |
| melmoth | yes it does | 23:44 |
| moontiger | ok so we can host the code there and i can build some automated check out scripts from the web server cms back end | 23:45 |
| melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=798 | 23:45 |
| moontiger | oyu probably sent me all this already but can you send me usernames and pw for svn and anything else i need? | 23:45 |
| melmoth | i dont know your svn password, it s the same as your garage account | 23:46 |
| moontiger | and and question ... do you know anything about dbus? | 23:46 |
| moontiger | :) | 23:46 |
| melmoth | a little bit. i have been reading quite a bit about it this week end | 23:46 |
| moontiger | oh i can access your repo from username? | 23:46 |
| melmoth | i still dont get the details, but i have the big picture | 23:46 |
| moontiger | <--- also been learning dbus | 23:46 |
| moontiger | likewise the details are still a little confusing for me too | 23:47 |
| melmoth | everybody can access the repo in read only. You should have write access to it. | 23:47 |
| moontiger | with my username? | 23:47 |
| melmoth | yes | 23:47 |
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| moontiger | so it isnt your repo? | 23:47 |
| moontiger | <--- confused | 23:47 |
| melmoth | it s the garage project repo. The project has been accepted 2 hours ago | 23:47 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh so anybody with a garage account has write access? | 23:48 |
| melmoth | everyb member of the project has wirte access to the svn repo, i added you to the project | 23:48 |
| moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhhh cool i get it now | 23:48 |
| moontiger | heh | 23:48 |
| melmoth | nope, only https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=798 | 23:48 |
| moontiger | right i got it now | 23:48 |
| moontiger | ;) | 23:48 |
| moontiger | so let me get some code up and running here ... you add the gconf thing for server address and we can get going | 23:49 |
| melmoth | ok. i think i may do that before going to sleep :) | 23:49 |
| moontiger | its midday here so i have plenty of time | 23:49 |
| moontiger | you are in france? | 23:49 |
| melmoth | Yep | 23:50 |
| moontiger | where abouts? | 23:50 |
| melmoth | Paris | 23:50 |
| melmoth | The worst place in france to be in. | 23:50 |
| moontiger | nice! im in san fran right now but moving to madrid in december | 23:50 |
| macoute_ | ~curse infobot | 23:50 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! | 23:50 |
| macoute_ | one line of code would make you look smarter, infobot :) | 23:50 |
| moontiger | lol | 23:51 |
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