IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-10-14

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hellwolfI opened maemo-mapper, it kept searching for GPS receiver for a while. At last it told me "Error connecting GPSD Server Retry?". How could I fix this01:02
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mgedminhellwolf: n810 or n800 (or 770)?01:11
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hellwolfI changed to choose bluetooth GPS, and leave the field blank. It's now telling me "Establishing GPS fix"01:11
mgedminto use the internal gps, select "bluetooth" in maemo mapper and keep the bluetooth address field blank01:11
hellwolfI'm waiting01:12
mgedminyes, it is retarded, there's a bug in maemo mapper's bug tracker for a better user interface01:12
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hellwolfone more question, how to use phonelink with maemo integrated contacts info support. Or is there other better software to dial/sms via bluetooth phone01:13
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cyrus__after you compile a package within scratchbox, how do you package it up into a .deb file to installation01:29
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whodathow do  i get google roads on maemo maps?03:06
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mgedmingoogle roads?03:55
mgedminyou mean the street map?03:55
mgedminyou should be able to download repositories from the menu03:55
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lewingis XSPSetTSRawMode still used?04:13
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mgedminreminds me of
moontigerthats hilarious04:38
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dick-richardsonwhere's the setting to have the mail app check for new messages?05:32
dick-richardsonthe time interval...05:33
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whodatlargest capacity mini sd for n810 is 8gb?06:48
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tank-mani hear there are 16gb microsd, could use that with micro-mini adapter07:06
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closet_tank-man: yup :)07:39
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orificedoes canola support Daap ?07:53
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RST38h"The boom in women pretending to be lesbians to attract attention is leaving a trail of emotional destruction, according to a social commentator... Several high-profile relationships involving "real lesbians" and women more often linked to men -- such as MTV's Ruby Rose and Jess Origliasso, and Samantha Ronson and Lindsay Lohan -- have reportedly encouraged a wave of fauxmosexuals on the real life party circuit."08:16
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ProteousI hate blogs where every comment is a fricking trackback08:18
RST38h"queerer an queerer" (c)Alice08:18
closet_orifice: don't think so, just upnp.08:19
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moontigerRST38h, yah that stuff pisses me off08:32
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* RST38h just finds it weird08:33
moontigerwhich bit?08:34
RST38hAnd, as our muslim friend Ahmadinejad would say "a sign of the social and moral collapse of the Western civilization" =)08:34
moontigerwhat ... gay people?08:36
moontigeror faux gay people?08:36
RST38hfaux gay people08:36
RST38hgay people are not specific to any time or location08:36
moontigerheh good ... me too08:36
moontigersome of my best friends are gay08:37
summatusmentiswhy do faux gay people anger you?08:37
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moontigerthey dont anger me ... they are just pathetic08:38
summatusmentispathetic how?08:38
RST38hthey don't anger me, why would they?08:38
RST38hI just find the trend weird08:38
summatusmentisI agree that it's sort of odd08:38
RST38hsame as metrosexuals really, but those I can still classify as narcisstic08:39
moontigerpathetic that they pretend to be something08:39
summatusmentisI don't ever really understand people who pretend to be things regardless of orientation08:40
RST38hlots of people pretend to be something but why the hell would you pretend to be a lesbian? =)08:40
RST38h[with politically correct rage] summa, lesbians are not "things", they are people08:41
moontigerthank you08:41
summatusmentisRST38h: no, I'm aware, by thing, I meant something they're not08:41
summatusmentisor someone they're not08:41
summatusmentisor w/e08:41
RST38hAll of us do every now and then, I am pretty sure you have as well08:42
summatusmentisthat wasn't intended as objectification08:42
summatusmentisI really, really, try not to08:42
RST38hideally, yes...08:42
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RST38hoh well, time to go to work.08:42
summatusmentisI make choices in my life, as consicously as possible, to not fall into being someone I'm not08:43
RST38hit is not very comfortable for a long period of time, yes08:43
fluenisg'moin @all08:46
fluenisback from a reflash...08:46
moontigeryou must have the text color wrong cos i cant see what ur typing08:47
fluenishad some problems with last maemo update08:47
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moontigerooooops i didnt mean him to get upset08:47
summatusmentisstop being so insensitive :P08:48
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fluenishope it'" +35534 <9208:49
fluenishope it's better now08:49
moontigerfluenis, i was joking ... im sorry if u took me seriously08:50
fluenisstupid mistakes at the mornin time... hadn't got my coffee now08:50
moontigerforgive me :)08:51
fluenisanyway - had some probs with the update08:51
fluenishildon desk took about 20% load all the time08:51
moontigeri get that on mine too ... 10% - 20%08:52
fluenisand after two days without staying a single day with a charge my n810 came to a rebooting circle on power on time08:53
fluenisi had to reflash...08:53
fluenisbut it' interesting how it happened... my system is cloned on to intern 2gigs08:55
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moontigerwhy clone it?08:57
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orificewhat can I do if I've corrupted my /etc/sudeors file09:22
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orificeso that I can't edit it because I need root privleges, but can't because sudo cannot read /etc/sudoers09:23
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moontigeron n810?09:23
moontigerinstall ssh and login to localhost as root09:23
moontigerthen edit it09:23
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gnuiteAnyone else unable to access ITT?10:17
gnuiteOr have I been banned? :)10:17
Pavlovi can10:18
gnuiteAnd just like that, it's back.10:19
inzI won't10:19
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Proteousdamnit, reban him10:24
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X-Fadelol, Morning.10:26
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inzWork with it, don't fight it10:30
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moontigerhehe well im trying to understand it10:32
moontigerand code it using glib10:33
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aquatixmorning all10:38
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* melmoth is looking for someone who likes to write php :)11:22
melmothI have a "phonehome" daemon nearly ready, that send gps info and some pic on a remote xmlrcp server11:22
melmothi will definitively make something just ofr my own, but it could be fun (for somebody enjoying php, wich i dont) to have a sort of community site around11:23
melmothlike, with logins and pass, and some nice display of where your stoled tablet has been the last couple of days on googlemaps11:24
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inzAnyone willing to test my ai pack for blobby volley 2:
moontigermelmoth i do php11:31
moontigertell me what u need and i'll code it for you11:32
moontigerlauren at gagfoot dot com11:32
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moontigerhave to go to bed now ... its real late11:32
melmothmoontiger: is moontiger your itt nick ?11:33
melmothinternettablet talk11:33
moontigernot a member11:33
moontigerlauren is my garage.maemo name11:33
moontigerand my name ;)11:33
moontigeremail me and i will build it for you11:33
melmothcool. thanks.11:34
moontigernite nite11:34
melmothgood night11:34
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mikkov_inz: Can I include your AI to blobby package?11:43
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mikkov_inz: hmm, licence of AIs isn't very clear. Maybe better to keep them separated. Anyway 2fast4uvo2 beat me 15-0 ;)12:01
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hellwolfhow could I pre-download maps for specific places in maemo-mapper12:21
crashanddiehellwolf, view the area12:21
crashanddiehellwolf, then go into map configuration or something, and there's a part called "Download"12:22
crashanddieyou can select which increments to download12:22
hellwolfokok, thanks, then another question is, which disk it downloads to12:22
hellwolf256M or 2G12:22
crashanddieIMC, IIRC12:23
hellwolfthanks :)12:24
hellwolfit told me "Invalid orgin or query"12:25
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hellwolfI chose "Use GPS location, Category: Transportation"12:25
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lardmanthat's pois12:31
lardmanyou can change the download location too in the map settings dialog12:32
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hellwolfthanks a lot. Then, is there any shortcut keys for maemo-mapper12:34
hellwolffor example, I want to zoom in/out with keys12:34
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lardmanuse the +/- on the top12:37
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hellwolf:) ah, I almost forgot that keys12:38
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hrwo lcuk13:09
lcukhiya hrw :D13:11
lcukhrw, do you remember me saying something about multitouch "simulation" last time we met?13:13
lcukheh, well i get my thoughts into code13:13
lcukand it appears to work as well as i expected13:14
lcukobviously its not full multitouch, but it allows for a thumb press and then finger adjustments13:14 has a bit of info and a deb to have a looksie at13:14
* lcuk was hoping to have stuff in extras this week, but some users have been reporting a graphical glitch on first run - its annoying as feck13:15
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lcukcrap, bbsoon13:22
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Stskeepsgod, gtk takes -ages- to build13:28
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johnxStskeeps, you need to get that beagleboard working for you13:29
Stskeepsjohnx: oh, it works, it's just my rs232 connector that sucks13:30
Stskeepswhich makes initial boot difficult13:30
Stskeepsi tested glib-maemo yesterday, that worked13:30
Stskeepsbut anyway, it could be interesting if maemo-gtk is compatible with normal gtk, even if it's not the other way13:31
Stskeepscould make porting maemo apps a .. lot easier13:32
suihkulokkithats bit of a dead end13:32
suihkulokkimaemos gtk changes need to be merged into mainline gtk13:32
Stskeepsyeah, and i would really prefer that13:32
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: just working on some proof of concepts to see how dependant on maemo typical maemo apps are13:35
Stskeepssuihkulokki: how active is the whole pkg-maemo part of debian though?13:39
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Stskeepsfrom what i can tell most activity goes on in ubuntu mobile these days :P13:39
lardmanandre___: sorry I've not got round to installing the new scratchbox yet13:42
lardmanandre___: but I imagine it should be assuming we move to GCC 4.x.x13:42
lardmanandre___: re bug #162313:42
andre___ah, take your time :) if you don't answer i'll close after a few months :-P13:42
suihkulokkiStskeeps: it's pining for the fjords :P13:43
lardmanandre___: lol13:43
suihkulokkiStskeeps: at the moment things are indeed a bit silent in debian-maemo, I think most people are waiting for lenny before going back to active development13:45
Stskeepsi've managed to compile most of u-m's packages for deblet.. sortof works (
Stskeepsor debian maemo packages:
suihkulokkiiirc when I was last active, the main problems with mainline <-> maemo gtk were13:49
suihkulokki1) input methods glue in maemo-gtk13:50
suihkulokki2) the hacky tap-and-hold support injected in maemo-gtk13:50
Stskeepsjesus. i need to clean my desk. several serial cables, nokia n800, infrared node, dect telephone, cellphone, pocket loox 420, beagleboard, USRP..13:53
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inzmikkov, I agree on the licenses14:07
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johnxStskeeps, I guarantee my desk is smaller and more crammed with stuff :P14:21
* aquatix looks at his awefully empty desk at work14:21
aquatixneed more stuff14:21
aquatixat home it's comfortably cluttery14:21
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melmothwhat shoudl be the correct format to print a pid_t on armel ?14:43
melmothnor %d nor %i seems to work (nothing in the output). Works on scatchbox x86 though14:43
melmothActually, it s printed on g_printf, but not on fprintf14:44
solmumahaanyone want to debianize duke3d and push it to extras?14:46
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KhertanHello everyone !15:00
Khertana small little question ... have you already see this small crypting module ... :
Khertani'm not a specialist but for me it s look like using a 32bit key ...15:01
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pupnik810we need an easier, more user-friendly way to reconfigure  menus -- are maemo menus getting big changes down the road?15:10
pupnik810hi btw15:10
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solmumahahi arnim15:10
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Khertanwe need an easier : it could not be so easier as actually ...15:14
Khertanit s pretty simple to use15:14
Khertanor maybe are you talking about a programmatic way15:14
pupnik810try deleting entries15:17
pupnik810i.e. left over grot from some crap install15:17
pupnik810or is that violating some tablet ui convention ni'm unaware os?15:18
pupnik810obviously packages should clean these things up15:18
Khertandeleting entries ? are you fool ?15:19
Khertanthere is no need to delete it15:19
Khertanit should provide access to all applications available15:19
Khertanif something aren't deleted when removing the application by the application manager, blame the developper / or package maintainer15:20
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pupnik810yes i see that view15:20
lcukmenus should be liqable ;)15:21
Khertanso why do want to delete entries ?15:21
Khertanlol lcuk15:21
pupnik810nice verb15:21
Khertanand calendar event should appear too in the menu to not forget it !15:22
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pupnik810yes i see15:22
lcukkhertan, a simplified grand overview screen would be fantastic, putting events and emails and notifications and info together, :)15:23
pupnik810desktop or what15:23
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lcukthe desktop lets you do that, but theres no way to simply say i want a main today desktop which adds all 5 applets required" or a business desktop  or something15:24
pupnik810ah ok15:24
lcukgrand schemes of preconfiguged sets of applets would let people either configure individual ones as they do now, or be able to grab the already setup ones people keep flashing on the "show us your screenshots thread15:24
lcukinstead of having to hunt each one down and configure its location have a way to persist current applet positions and settings and send to a friend15:25
lcukie take the themes a bit further ;)15:26
lcukwell thats the simplest less destructive way to both make use of what we have and also expand a little15:27
pupnik810your project liqbase is ambitious, but what i see is a nice set of ideas15:29
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lcukpupnik810, yeah, its only ambitious because you havent seen how much code ive got back here ;) ive been so pent up the last few years waiting to get a device like this its all startin to come out now :)15:30
lcukive gotta mould it into a clearly defined set of principles and align my mind with the differences of what I thought would work, and now i have the device what actually works15:31
lcuklike the multitouch thing, ive thought it would go in place as I have and its looking promising for now15:31
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pupnik810in 'select file' dialog i miss ability to paste location16:16
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pupnik810ok gotta get some sunlight :)16:31
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whodatanyone alive? :)16:44
aquatixshould we be?16:45
whodattesting out DUN connection from n810 using my treo16:47
whodatfor some reason it likes to drop connection after a couple minutes :(16:48
Khertantreo ... this thing is not yet dead ?16:48
whodatheck no!16:48
Khertanwhich one ? as some have problem with DUN connection ... (in fact there is no problem, just not fully implemented)16:49
whodatusing the USBModem prc16:50
Khertannever try the 755p16:51
whodati am just wondering if its just sprint not liking to keep a connection going for a long period (does this happen with other phones when tethering)?16:52
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Khertanwhodat: on my 6630 i can keep connection until the battery died17:30
Khertanthere is three possibility :17:31
Khertan1) maemo close connection due to inactivity for a certain amount of time. (a prefs settings)17:31
Khertan2) Sprint sucks :)17:31
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Stskeepsyeah, there's a setting for idle isnt there?17:32
Khertan3) Your treo kill connection due to inactivity, or the software use to do modem over bluetooth, or as it s a third party application, maybe a result of the treo going to sleep17:32
whodatwhere is that setting on the n81017:33
Stskeepsunder connection sttings or something in the applet17:34
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GAN800The applet == connection settings17:35
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Khertanif there is a cryptographic expert ... could you say me if this py module use a 128 key or if it s only a 32bit17:51
Khertanas for me it s look like a 32bit key17:51
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Stskeepsheh, okay, maemo-gtk definately does not play nice with anything else than hildon17:54
Stskeepsit runs, but when a dialog box comes up17:55
Stskeepsstuck ;)17:55
KhertanStskeeps: ?17:56
StskeepsKhertan: i'm trying to shoehorn Maemo GTK into Deblet17:56
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Khertandb_connection = DatabaseConnection() with db_connection as cursor:     cursor.execute('insert into ...')     cursor.execute('delete from ...')     # ... more operations ...17:59
Khertan;) dsl17:59
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KhertanPEP 311018:02
Khertangood idea18:02
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derfKhertan: Read the source code. It doesn't take a cryptographic expert to figure out if you're handing something 128 bits of data or 32.18:04
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Khertanderf: i see a [0:32] on the key ...18:05
Khertanso ...18:05
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StskeepsKhertan: what's 8*32? :P18:05
derfYou don't need a cryptographic expert. You need someone who actually knows Python.18:06
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derfWhich would not be me.18:06
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Mekeven the comments in the source code tell it uses a 256bit key18:06
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Khertaneh ho !18:07
Khertani prefer reading the notes of python 2.6 changes :)18:07
Khertanyep .. ok ... i ll read the source again ... without reading 1 line on 1018:08
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KhertanUses 256 bit Rijndael18:09
Khertan    cipher.  Key is built from first 32 characters of password18:09
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Khertani'm near ;) a 32 caracteres keys :)18:09
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Khertanpy2.6:The smtplib module now supports SMTP over SSL18:11
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qwerty12johnx: - Got a working module. I changed it to use atomic_cmpxchg instead of cmpxchg because to compile with cmpxchg means kernel modifications. Using atomic_cmpxchg means it can insmod on any variation (rotation etc) of the 2.6.21-omap1 kernel.18:25
riotlol.. the default notes-app is useless.18:25
Stskeepsriot: it's okay for browsing text files and sending bluetooth notes i guess :P18:26
Stskeepsbut yeah18:26
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riotnot even multiple documents!?18:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: sounds good :)18:26
Stskeepsriot: look at maemopad+ maybe18:26
rioti was reading a book using it (a txt file actually) and then had to open another note.. my book just disappeared.. pfft18:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: does cmpxchg even exist on arm? ..18:26
riotStskeeps: ok, i'm gonna check that out. Thx :)18:27
X-Faderiot: fbreader18:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: :). I have yet to actually "branch" a folder :P. sysfs interface shows up though18:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: You can patch kernel to include it18:27
X-Faderiot: That is a lot better reader.18:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: But that puts me in same situation as unionfs18:27
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, but cmpxchg is a x86 asm instruction :P18:27
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Stskeepsso im just wondering18:27
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Stskeepsqwerty12: maemo gtk really rapes a system, it's kinda impressive18:28
qwerty12Stskeeps: Ouch :/18:28
Stskeepsqwerty12: so i would probably have a "meblet" repo or something people can add if they want a hildon interface :P18:28
Stskeepsand give up on all other envs :>18:29
Stskeepsthe good news is normal apps work with it18:29
qwerty12hehe, I like having other envs though :/18:29
Stskeepsindeed, but i think this idea might have benefits18:30
Stskeepslike, building maemo-like OS'es easily18:31
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derfStskeeps: ARM6 and above have ldrex and strexeq, but they're not exactly the same semantics as cmpxchg.18:35
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Stskeepsmaemo gtk on debian, not worth it19:20
johnxgood effort. I'm glad we came to the same conclusion at least19:20
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Stskeepswell, i think it might be better for maemo apps to adjust to mainline GTK19:21
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bef0rdmaemo gtk as in hildon?19:26
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Stskeepshildon is a framework, maemo also has gtk extensions19:31
johnxor gtk has specific modifications for maemo19:32
bef0rdoh I see19:33
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qwerty12~curse ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.<19:35
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< !19:35
johnxqwerty12, why not pull from ibex? the beta is out19:35
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qwerty12johnx: I can use the version from the intrepid repo directly? I have some bad memories when I tried to do something similar :/19:36
qwerty12Or you mean use 8.10 beta I guess19:36
johnxeither one, I would try just grabbing the .deb from ibex and seeing if it has other deps19:36
qwerty12Worth a try, thanks :)19:37
johnxI take it back19:38
johnxit's split into a whole bunch of sub-packages :/19:38
johnxso it'd be a pain19:38
Stskeepsjohnx: maybe people need to start wondering if they're coding for hildon, for maemo gtk, or for maemo :P19:39
johnxmaybe I should upgrade to ibex beta19:39
johnxStskeeps, it's bad enough to tell them they're coding for gtk...but not really, cause it's hildon, but gtk is different too, and it's like debian, but not exactly19:39
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qwerty12johnx: :p19:40
Stskeepsjohnx: i should do an opinion article or something about this19:40
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johnxqwerty12, yeah, I was wrong. :)19:41
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qwerty12johnx: I was joking :). I was looking at the amount of stuff I'm going to have to compile :p19:42
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RST38hboo, johnx,qwerty,sts19:51
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qwerty12wag1 RST38h19:52
Stskeepsmoo, RST38h19:52
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RST38hwhat's new and exciting?=)19:53
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Stskeepsmaemo gtk is evil under non-hildon environments19:53
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lcuk:D is this a farm20:22
qwerty12*cluck* yes *cluck*20:22
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qwerty12heh, hey rm_you20:25
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qwerty12Well, it looks like at the cost of a broken apt, I'm getting my vlc 0.9.4 :P20:25
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penguinbaitwhat did you break now :)20:26
qwerty12I replaced some libs with ones I compiled from ubuntu intrepid and it's not liking it :p. but I want vlc so I'll edit the status file later :P20:27
* qwerty12 wants to try knots :)20:27
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penguinbaitcan't you just place the libs somewhere else and call vlc with LD path poing to other libs?20:28
penguinbaitpointing that is20:28
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rm_youjott: why did you change from unstable to intrepid (in the ABL changelog)?20:28
rm_youI copied you, but I'm not really sure why20:28
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penguinbaitust export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/lib in script file that launches vlc?20:29
qwerty12penguinbait: I can't be bothered in all honesty :). All I want is an vlc that I run like normal :). I blame ubuntu people for not compiling vlc 0.94 for 8.0420:29
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lcukhiya rm_you20:30
lcukmy missus would like to throttle you btw20:30
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lcuktshirt blue ink and white other clothing...20:30
johnxqwerty12, for not shipping new stuff into a distro about to be replaced? :P20:30
lcuk(but thank you, its the design i really wanted and even if it ran a bit i thank you20:30
rm_youi didn't have any issues washing mine20:31
* lcuk will prop you up in mcdonalds anytime20:31
rm_youi wonder wtf she did :P20:31
lcukshe washed it, like everything else gets washed20:31
qwerty12johnx: yeah, exactly! :P20:31
rm_youI was thinking about that... i really don't remember anything after that :P20:31
lcukthe high quality originals have not run :P20:31
rm_youwell the three I washed worked fine20:32
lcuk(thank you quim etc)20:32
Stskeepshow many of you depend on libconic0, and then icd?20:32
lcukholy crap, i just got shouted at for giggling at this:
rm_youdid it dye ITSELF?20:32
rm_youif so, that's bizzorken20:32
lcukas well as other things20:32
lcuknot seriously, but theres a blue hue on stuff now20:33
Stskeepsrm_you: please do call me Sts or Stskeeps next time ;)20:33
lcuknot as bad as the red sock incident of '9920:33
rm_youlol did I mess up the caps?20:33
rm_youI'll fix it before release20:33
Stskeepshehe, don't apologize20:33
lcukrm_you, are you busy right now?20:33
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rm_youlcuk: kinda >_>20:33
rm_youi wish i had more time20:34
lcukdamn! and theres me wanting you to see the new improved liqbase - now with added glitches :|20:34
rm_youneeds to be Stskeeps'20:34
Stskeepsjohnx: worst problem about maemo apps is the fact most depend on some of the properitary libs (libconic0, -> icd), and there's no way in hell nokia starts allowing redistributing some of their binaries20:34
rm_youlcuk: you can send it on over, i might have time to look20:35
johnxStskeeps, yeah. I hit that in beta220:35
rm_youi need to take a shower and head back over to campus <_<20:35
rm_youooo neat20:35
lcukyeah :) i thought so as well20:35
Stskeepsjohnx: for the sake of the platform sanity for maemo, when people's n8x0s get fucked over by nokia no more providing updates, they're at a dead end20:35
Stskeeps.. or something20:35
Stskeepsnow i'm just enraged, i'll go buy cis20:36
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rm_youStskeeps: is that right? Stskeep's -> Stskeeps' ?20:36
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rm_yougrammar failure on my part :P20:36
penguinbaitIf your gonna smoke, at least find something worth smoking!20:36
lcukhiya pb20:37
Stskeepspenguinbait: did cuban cigars while in dublin20:37
johnxStskeeps, I always wondered how icd would affect people's licensing choices20:37
lcukStskeeps, wouldnt that be Irish cigars?20:37
Stskeepsjohnx: then again libconic0 is open20:38
Stskeepsso it would technically be possible to adapt to NM and such20:38
johnxwell, a wrapper that does nothing could be possible I guess then20:38
johnxnm doesn't let apps control it, only listen for its events20:39
mgedminnm-applet controls nm over dbus20:39
Stskeepsmamona did a -cli network manager, so i guess it's possible20:39
lcukcan't we just replace the nokia network thing with libcomic0 and laugh our way onto the net (i read it as comic every single time)20:39
johnxah, ok. I guess I was imagining something controlling nm-applet20:39
mgedmindon't know if there's api for "get me online by asking the user to pick the desired wifi name", probably not20:39
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lcuktheres an api for get me online using this connection id (used to be name)20:40
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lcukand i assume theres a complimentary api for list all the connections20:40
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rm_youjohnx: when are you coming back exactly for xmas?20:43
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rm_youyou have tickets already right?20:43
lcukrm_you, this year johnx will mainly be playing santa, he will fly over your house at exactly 1:36am and if you have been a good boy will come down your black hole errrr chimney20:44
crashanddieand johnx will be singing "Dashing through the sand, with a bomb strapped to my back, I have a nasty plan, for christmas in Iraq"20:45
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RST38hthat should be some camel singing20:46
lcukoi! stop eying each other up20:46
penguinbait( o ) ( o )20:46
RST38hbtw, johnx, if you have not seen it yet:
crashanddie"ooooh, Jingle Bombs, Jingle Bombs, Mine blew up you see... Where are all these virgins that Bin Laden promised me???"20:46
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skiburpenguinbait, are you a slacker?20:47
penguinbaityes, why yes I am, how can I not help you :)20:48
penguinbaitwhy slacker?20:49
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skiburEver got the Text-to-Speech to work?20:49
penguinbaityes the text to speech is working20:49
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skiburusing flite?20:49
penguinbaituh, I am a redhat biggot by trade20:49
lcukshame its stuck speaking in a strange swedish/liverpudlian combination accent20:50
penguinbaitI compiled full festival and even had spanish voices20:50
skiburo ok nice20:50
penguinbaitdoes not work with maemo mapper though,20:50
penguinbaitwell I have not tested the latest version, Gnuite was supposed to fix it20:50
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rm_youdamnit lcuk20:53
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rm_youthere's no shift on your keyboard20:53
rm_youI can't enter my name20:54
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rm_youwheee graphics corruption20:55
qwerty12_N800rm_you, vi ~/.liqbase/liqbase.prefs20:55
lcukrm_you, !! you have corruption?20:55
lcukdont close it20:55
rm_youyeah, want the log?20:55
rm_youtoo late >_>20:55
lcukrun it again, see if it does it20:55
lcukno1 can reproduce it20:55
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rm_youshould i move the log first?20:55
lcukno, it expands20:56
Stskeepslcuk: isn't rm -rf ~/.liqbase able to reproduce it?20:56
lcukyou can send it me in a min20:56
cars__I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile.  Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard?20:56
lcukStskeeps, its not the files thats the problem: its reproducable if you uninstall and reinstall even with those files there20:56
rm_youlcuk: hrm20:56
lcukbut i cant reproduce it anyway - i really think its something outside20:57
rm_youlcuk: nope20:57
lcukhave u still got corruptions?20:57
rm_youlcuk: ok, interesting fact20:57
rm_youbut interesting fact20:57
* lcuk holds breath20:57
rm_youso it loaded fine, i clicked on physics sim, it went corrupt, i hit the esc key (the little hardware button above home) once, and it EXITED20:57
rm_youvs, this time, i ran it, hit physics sim, it worked, hit esc key once, back to main menu20:58
lcuknow, thats probably to do with folders and no contents and stuff and should be reproducable and fixable20:58
lcukill look at that this evening20:58
rm_youbtw, what is this little thing in the corner of each button?20:59
lcukcrashes are sortable, this strange corruption isnt20:59
Stskeepshm, what was Sardine supposed to be again?20:59
RST38ha development release afaik20:59
RST38hold story now20:59
rm_youlooks like almost the letters 'eq'20:59
Stskeepswhich had what purpose?20:59
rm_youor eo21:00
RST38hdidn't have to have a purpose it was just another Maemo OS release21:00
rm_youor something21:00
lcukits gonna forward through to sketch editor in a short while to allow editing individual buttons to your spec21:00
lcukits "ed"!21:00
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lcukbut i dont yet have the folders and methods ready to allow you to do this, ive just completed moving all the styles together21:01
lcuki want you to be able to pimp your own liqbase :)21:01
rm_youwell, just FYI, the box is way too small, can't actually read it21:01
lcukno i know, i changed the font on it v recently21:01
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* lcuk will remove it tonight for standard package ;)21:01
lcukbrb tea ready21:01
lcukthanks rm, and make sure you try the multitouch test21:01
rm_youlcuk: two more comments and then i have to run too21:01
lcukthen post and ill see in a minute21:01
rm_youlcuk: in the test area, the images are squished vertically21:02
rm_you2, where is the multitouch test?21:02
RST38hthere is multitouch in n8x0? =)21:02
lcukrm options/multitouch test21:02
lcukread the notes on liqbase.net21:03
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penguinbaitwho | grep -i blonde; date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; head; mount; gasp; yes; unmount; sleep 360021:03
rm_youlcuk: ah it works alright when i use one hand21:03
rm_youwhen i try actually using thumb and other finger, it breaks21:03
rm_youlike, i'm holding down hard on the thumb, and it still forgets about it21:04
cars__sounds painful21:04
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crashanddierm_you, try using your nails21:05
lcukrm_you, the device is not goatse, you dont have to spread the screen21:05
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* lcuk renames rm_you moses21:05
rm_youyeah works a lot better with nails21:05
lcukits a test, works with pads on my little fingers21:06
RST38hMay I make a suggestion about multitouch?21:06
crashanddierm_you, I noticed that it has a hard time tracking fingers (big blobs, rather than small points)21:06
* qwerty12_N800 prefers goatsemarathon over goatse21:06
lcukyou fat gingered fecker ;)21:06
sinakhello. I am at and when I push the Click to install button, it doesn't start the download. It shows me just a page21:06
rm_youalso, have to fight the urge to move the thumb21:06
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rm_yousinak: are you on your tablet or a pc?21:06
crashanddierm_you, that's open to discussion :)21:06
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sinakon N80021:06
lcukrm_you, partial is one step up from 0 :)21:06
rm_youlcuk: no, i am very happy with how this works :P21:07
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rm_youlcuk: needs a test with actual image scaling / rotation21:07
penguinbaitsinak, try holding the stylus on the link until menu pops up, the select save target as21:07
lcukyeah i know21:07
lcukbut i havent got bitmap rotation code yet ;)21:07
rm_youlcuk: well gotta run <_<21:07
RST38hWhy not avoid simulating multitouch and make user CIRCLE the area of interest instead?21:07
rm_youlcuk: looks very nice tho21:07
lcukalright rm, thanks for testing21:07
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crashanddieRST38h, I've been making a few mockups21:07
crashanddieRST38h, and ideas like that have been popping up21:08
Stskeepsam i retarded or is the svn/tar.gz for libconic 0.16 impossible to find?21:08
crashanddieRST38h, basically, I've been stealing ideas from Anand21:08
crashanddieRST38h, I'm hoping to implement a few of his ideas/techniques in liqbase at some point in the future21:09
sinakpenguinbait I saved it, and run it, but it didn't work21:09
povbotcrashanddie: Error: "doesntwork" is not a valid command.21:09
penguinbaitwhat are you saving?21:09
crashanddieoh you useless bot21:09
povbotRST38h: Error: "tet" is not a valid command.21:09
povbotRST38h: Error: "test" is not a valid command.21:09
povbotRST38h: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.21:09
povbotcrashanddie: I don't recognize you.21:10
sinakpenguinbait get_installfile21:10
penguinbaitwhat are you trying to download?21:10
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povbotcrashanddie: Error: "that'snotwhatIasked,IwantedtoknowwhoIwas" is not a valid command.21:10
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, why 0.16 :p21:10
sinakpenguinbait the easy-deb-chroot21:10
crashanddie!say donut21:11
povbotcrashanddie: Error: "say" is not a valid command.21:11
qwerty12_N800infobot, sort out povbot21:11
povbotcrashanddie: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.21:11
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: cos i found it on mxr.* but not anywhere else21:11
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, i can get you 0.1821:11
Stskeepsjust saw that too21:12
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penguinbaitare you opening application manager and installing from file?21:13
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sinakpenguinbait yes21:13
sinakand it give me an error21:13
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crashanddiesinak, WHAT ERROR?21:14
sinakunable to refresh application list21:14
sinakunable to access catalogues21:14
sinaki have internet connection21:15
lcukmain power turn on21:15
penguinbaitIts usually a repo not responding, I usually go to xterm as root and run "apt-get update" and it will tell you what repo is failing21:16
sinakok i 'll try it21:16
lcukcrashanddie, not everyone has root21:17
lcukpenguinbait, i mean21:17
sinaklcuk i have root :-)21:18
lcukthen you are all set :D21:18
penguinbaityou can also go into your repos on the tablet, and try disabling all but extras21:18
penguinbaitwhat, who does not have root?21:18
penguinbaitgot root?21:18
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penguinbaitI like this shirt :)
lcukamazing, cafepress is borkened21:23
lcuki have set minimum font to be a tiny bit larger than microscopic..21:23
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lcukthe damned menu wraps and wont let me select mens tshirts21:23
johnxlcuk, same here. They're a rip-off anyways, so no loss21:24
lcuklol johnx, i know that i just wanted to check em out21:24
lcuki can anyway, the menu doesnt go away if i use scroll wheel21:25
lcukso careful positioning of mouse and wheeling made it work ;)21:25
bef0rdhey lcuk I am not sure if you have already noticed this, but if liqbase is open, and the screen goes 'off', when you tap the screen again, liqbase has been closed21:25
RST38hpenguinebait: I had to quote this at least twice today, at work21:25
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sinakpenguinbait i did the root thing, and it worked. Now when i'm trying to install from file, it says "Unable to download easy-deb-chroot. Application package not found"21:25
lcukbef0rd, yes, intentional since i know feck all about hildonization (seriously feck all im at a loss how to handle each event)21:26
lcukso id rather bail out then than leave liqbase hidden in background eating all stylus events and flattening battery with no way to recover21:26
penguinbaitI have not really looked through it, but you might want to look out here21:26
bef0rdoh, I see, maybe you can make it save the current drawing (if the user is at the drawing section)21:27
lcukbef0rd, yes, thats happened to me only once or twice, i do understand and will at the very least be moving the bailout onto the module level to give each a chance to do something about it21:28
lcuk:$ sorry21:28
* lcuk will resolve this this evening :)21:29
bef0rdheh cool21:30
bef0rdgotta go21:30
lcukalright, thanks for the nudge21:30
bef0rdbye, college time21:30
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sinakwhat is chinook?21:31
lcukearlier version of os200821:31
lcukreplaced since by diablo21:31
sinakah ok21:31
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penguinbaitchinook =  A moist warm wind blowing from the sea in coastal regions of the Pacific Northwest.21:33
lcukor a helicopter21:34
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Pavlovok, so, how do i build a recent mercurial in scratchbox?22:06
Pavlov0.9.1 is not cutting it22:06
Stskeepsjohnx: i'm pondering if maemo chroot really is such a bad idea.22:06
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johnxStskeeps, the one reason *I* personally don't like it is that it only solves the problem for the n8x0 with the current software22:07
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johnxI've been playing with matchbox/gpe on deblet. I'll poke at it more tomorrow22:08
johnxbut for now...sleep22:08
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melmothmoontiger: you here ?22:10
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moontigeroh hey :)22:15
moontigergot to pop out in aminute tho22:15
moontigerso i built the db22:15
moontigerand i can get the plumbing code in place today and tomorrow22:15
Stskeepswhat are you two building, out of curiousity?22:16
Stskeeps <- oh that one is definately interesting22:16
Stskeeps10 bucks nokia lawyers will be all over qqil like ants on a picnic22:17
moontigermelmoth, i have to go out for an hour22:18
Pavlovno one knows how to build new mercurial in scratchbox?22:18
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qwerty12_N800Pavlov, get the source for the one in extras and look in debian folder and see how  he/she compiled that one.22:19
melmothStskeeps: a "phone home" daemon in case the tablet i stolen22:19
Stskeepsmelmoth: ah22:20
Pavlovqwerty12_N800: its part of the maemo3-tools stuff22:20
Stskeepsmelmoth: sounds cool22:20
l7hey, has anyone tried those 32GB SDHC cards yet?22:20
l7i'm still waiting for their prices to come down to 80-100, but they seem really handy22:21
l764GB of storage in a n800....22:21
Stskeepsthat's a lot of mobile porn.22:22
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l7or mp3s22:23
l7or movies22:23
Stskeepsdefinately want to put sd cards in other pockets when going through customs..22:23
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yacoobis that true?22:30
Stskeepswhat's true?22:31
Stskeepsthat's what qole does22:32
Stskeepsquite amazing feat really22:32
Stskeeps(hi qole!)22:32
yacoobthat it works. "big" applications running fine on tablet?22:32
yacoobI mean, that's probably true, but it's hard for me to believe in. And I don't have my tablet handy to actually test it.22:33
Stskeepswell depends what you mean, it works quite decently but there's always tradeoffs22:33
Stskeepsa 400mhz box isn't completely bad you know22:33
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Stskeepsthese tablets are quite capable22:34
yacoobI need to test it, hm.22:34
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Stskeeps <- old video before speedups22:35
* summatusmentis is contemplating getting rid of his n81022:36
Stskeepsi take donations O:)22:36
yacoobin favour of?22:36
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* qwerty12_N800 xchat is blinking at me for no reason :/ 22:38
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, usuk22:38
GeneralAntillesNow it's blinking for a reason. :P22:38
summatusmentisyacoob: in favor of a single device (iPod Touch)22:38
yacoobbtw, is this debian chroot installer changing anything in the boot sequence of the tablet? How invasive is it?22:38
Stskeepsyacoob: no, not at all22:39
Stskeepsit is very little invasive22:39
Stskeepssummatusmentis: but if you were to just "get rid" of your n810, give it to qwerty12_N800 ;) who knows what kind of stuff he could pull off with it22:39
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, probably not much :p. n800 4 lyf :p22:39
summatusmentisStskeeps: well, 'get rid' needs to help fund my next device :)22:39
yacoobsummatusmentis, well, if it works for you better... I'm looking at my wife's ipod touch and I'm comparing the devices from time to time22:39
Stskeepssummatusmentis: hehe22:40
yacooblack of bt or gps pretty much kills it for me22:40
summatusmentisyacoob: I like the specs on the n810 much better, but there's not enough batter life for media22:40
summatusmentisI don't use the gps enough, none of the UIs I've found make it usable22:40
yacoobalso, I have this uneasy feeling that ipod touch/iphone is palmish, in some sense. No filesystem that user can access...22:40
summatusmentisI would be jailbreaking it, most definitely22:41
yacoobsummatusmentis, ah, media. Then sure, it would probably be better :)22:41
yacoobmy main uses for tablet are fbreader, maemo mapper, gpxviewer and notecase22:41
yacoobafter last update the browser got good enough to start using tiddly too22:42
yacoob(which iphone funnily isn't able to render 8)22:42
summatusmentismy main uses are 'internet' (messaging, web), and I'd like media22:42
qwerty12_N800jott, grr, you don't keep xrandr in your rotation repo :)22:43
summatusmentiscurrently I'm using my iPod for media, but it's dying22:43
summatusmentisthe browser is really slow22:43
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, xrandr is bundled22:43
yacoobwell, it's gecko :)22:44
yacoobwebkit is just simply faster22:44
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summatusmentis <- this tiddly?22:44
GeneralAntillesBut wasn't anywhere near usable when Nokia decided to ship an open-source browser.22:44
summatusmentisif I can get rid of my Zaurus, I might be able to justify a Touch and keep my n810022:45
yacoobI've tested it with ipod touch and it was taking ages for the page to actually render (or probably for the js to execute)22:45
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: saw qqil's surprising attitude on the pandora thread?22:45
Stskeepsabout experimentation22:45
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, the xrandr command line app, i don't have it installed here or see it available for install :)22:45
GAN800Stskeeps, surprising?22:45
GAN800qwerty, ah, right22:45
* GAN800 dumbass22:45
Stskeepswell i wouldn't have expected nokia to have the attitude experimentation is alright for taking closed source components to other platforms22:46
GAN800Stskeeps, that was perfectly in character for qgil.22:46
GAN800I might've been surprised by it 8 months ago22:47
Stskeepsbut i suspect when flash starts popping up on pandora and other armel devices.. :P22:47
GAN800But not lately22:47
Stskeeps(which is entirely possible, btw.)22:48
yacoobbrowser-wise, there's simply a shortage of webkit based browsers. Good ones, that is.22:48
Stskeepsyacoob: you should try midori22:49
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Stskeepsi was really impressed with it under deblet22:49
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yacoobwhat's deblet?22:49
Stskeepswhere easy debian is a chroot running inside maemo, deblet is debian flying on it's own22:50
RST38hmoo, General22:50
Stskeepsit's comparable with an elephant trying to fly, at the moment22:50
yacoobthrow elephant at ground, checked22:51
yacoobmiss, checked22:51
suihkulokkiwebkit, atleast the gtk flavour, is simply too crashy atm22:51
GeneralAntillesHey, RST38h.22:51
yacoobI wonder whether chrome lite will be... usable for anything else than android22:52
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melmothif you throw it fast enough, even an elephant can fly.23:15
qwerty12_N800why fly when you can smoke weed and get high23:16
GeneralAntilles^ poser druggy. :P23:17
Stskeepshm, are there other options than ondemand and performance?23:17
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, i hate you :p23:18
GeneralAntillesOr whatever they call the slow mode.23:18
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800 <323:18
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GeneralAntillesI assume you have a working charger now?23:19
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, grab the kernel source. iirc, more modes can be added via modules (i think)23:19
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, yep23:19
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RST38h~curse MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff23:29
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff !23:29
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macoute_RST38h: do you really think that using infobot is kinda cool?23:31
macoute_no offence, though23:31
macoute_im just kinda surprised about the current, pretty heavy usage of infobot which doesnt do anything which would add to our information23:32
macoute_RST38h: you could just as well say yourself that you dont like MIPS for missing proper rorv opcode, intra-opcode shifts, reg+reg relative addressing, and other antiquated stuff23:32
macoute_theres no need to use any bot what so ever23:32
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qwerty12_N800infobot, you don't have to listen to this23:33
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state is interesting23:34
Stskeepsthat can definately be used to detect bad behaviour23:34
qwerty12_N800grr, i just went through mxr, when i could have done cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors23:35
moontigerhel melmoth23:35
moontigersorry bot=ut that ... neighbour wanted to go for lunch23:36
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melmothdont be sorry lunch are importants part of life.23:40
melmoththe svn is ready23:41
moontigerso i set up a sub-domain on one of my servers to host the test service23:41
moontigeri called etmaemo23:41
moontigercos it phones home :)23:41
moontigerand it kinda makes sense in french too23:41
melmothwe call E.T. E.T too23:42
Stskeepsnot T.E? :P23:42
moontigerso i have a db set up and i can start coding the basics23:42
moontigerone thing tho ... you will have to make the server configurable eventually23:42
melmothi was wondering if i put the server in a gconf key or not23:43
melmothi think i will add a gonf key, and put a default one, so it wont be mandatory for people using the "community" server23:43
moontigergood idea23:43
moontigerwe can build a simple front end too when we have time23:44
moontigerso does garage have svn available for storage?23:44
melmothyes it does23:44
moontigerok so we can host the code there and i can build some automated check out scripts from the web server cms back end23:45
moontigeroyu probably sent me all this already but can you send me usernames and pw for svn and anything else i need?23:45
melmothi dont know your svn password, it s the same as your garage account23:46
moontigerand and question ... do you know anything about dbus?23:46
melmotha little bit. i have been reading quite a bit about it this week end23:46
moontigeroh i can access your repo from username?23:46
melmothi still dont get the details, but i have the big picture23:46
moontiger<--- also been learning dbus23:46
moontigerlikewise the details are still a little confusing for me too23:47
melmotheverybody can access the repo in read only. You should have write access to it.23:47
moontigerwith my username?23:47
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moontigerso it isnt your repo?23:47
moontiger<--- confused23:47
melmothit s the garage project repo. The project has been accepted 2 hours ago23:47
moontigerahhhhhhhhh so anybody with a garage account has write access?23:48
melmotheveryb member of the project has wirte access to the svn repo, i added you to the project23:48
moontigerohhhhhhhhhhh cool i get it now23:48
melmothnope, only
moontigerright i got it now23:48
moontigerso let me get some code up and running here ... you add the gconf thing for server address and we can get going23:49
melmothok. i think i may do that before going to sleep :)23:49
moontigerits midday here so i have plenty of time23:49
moontigeryou are in france?23:49
moontigerwhere abouts?23:50
melmothThe worst place in france to be in.23:50
moontigernice! im in san fran right now but moving to madrid in december23:50
macoute_~curse infobot23:50
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot !23:50
macoute_one line of code would make you look smarter, infobot :)23:50
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