| Mace` | but ANYWAYS...sts.. i'll try it soon and let you know how it goes.. none of the pand front ends work in deblet though i'm guessing ? | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Mace`: .. there's frontends? | 00:00 |
| kkrusty | I wonder if you could use the n810/n800 as a bluetooth headset | 00:00 |
| Mace` | i figured something should work with it :) | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | kkrusty: i guess it would be technically possible | 00:00 |
| Mace` | can't you just rip the maemo one? | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | Mace`: possibly | 00:00 |
| Mace` | heh | 00:00 |
| Mace` | what do you mean as a bluetooth headset? | 00:01 |
| Mace` | i've used my earpiece to make skype calls if that's what you mean? | 00:01 |
| Mace` | ah well.. i'm off to watch yesterday's sanctuary | 00:01 |
| Mace` | i still think the webisodes were better.. at least the first episode was | 00:01 |
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| kkrusty | I mean that you could use it with your computer to recieve your audio over it like as if its an actual bluetooth headset | 00:02 |
| Mace` | the story was better.. kind of like tenchi muyo universe and the oav box set | 00:02 |
| Mace` | kkrusty - oh.. never tried that... i would just use the filesystem to do that | 00:02 |
| Mace` | and i'm sure the range wouldn't be all that great | 00:03 |
| Mace` | better to just stick with wifi ... bt is crap for speed | 00:03 |
| Mace` | later | 00:03 |
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| kkrusty | Mace: It would mean that I wont have to buy an actual headset | 00:03 |
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| Mace` | waiting on this damn vista box to finish encoding something so i can rip the video card out of it | 00:06 |
| Mace` | i didn't know they changed agp a long time ago when they upped the voltage | 00:06 |
| kkrusty | Stskeeps: I think it depends on the set of profiles the bluetooth module supports. | 00:07 |
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| cars__ | kkrusty, stupid question, but why doesn't every device support every applicable BT profile? | 00:12 |
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| kkrusty | cars__: I dont know whether thats the case but I could imagine the usual marketing reasons or to make it cheaper | 00:16 |
| kkrusty | does anyone remember the video of a n800 being used to hear audio from another device? | 00:17 |
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| cars__ | kkrusty, also, I would imagine BT is completely proprietary, right? So that's why this community and others can't just add or enable support of various profiles ourselves. | 00:19 |
| kkrusty | yeah hence one of the marketing reasons | 00:20 |
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| kkrusty | I hate it when we're locked out of our own devices. | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | kkrusty: i would say it depends on the software stack, not so much the dongle, afaik | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i can randomly set up a PAN service.. | 00:21 |
| cars__ | gah, I hate corporate greed. Something that is technologically possible shouldn't be restricted just because the company is just to lazy or cheap to impliment it. | 00:22 |
| kkrusty | Stskeeps: well the capabilities of the hardware are the absolute upper cap of what can be done. Then of course it depends on how forthcoming the company actually is. | 00:24 |
| kkrusty | The obviously wont want people using the n8x0 as a bluetooth headset and be a competition to normal headsets | 00:25 |
| kkrusty | *they | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | kkrusty: ear marks on display, eh ; | 00:25 |
| cars__ | More companies should add features in a "Let's see where they go with this" sort of approach. | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | kkrusty: it's honestly a matter of implementing a HSP profile for bluez, really. | 00:28 |
| kkrusty | Stskeeps: well... heres something from the past that might prove its possible. http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/12/eavesdropping_on_bluetooth_hea.html | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | it is possible, just not done yet | 00:29 |
| kkrusty | Im essentially interested in the fact that you can hear the audio on your n770 from another device, not the eavesdropping | 00:29 |
| kkrusty | viewing the video it seems that its a slightly different concept | 00:31 |
| cars__ | The BT hardware on the n8x0 (or, say, my laptop or phone) is theoretically able to support the applicable profiles, right? Is it simply that they are not implimented or enabled? | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | bluez hasn't implemented it afaik | 00:32 |
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| arj_ | hi | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | oh, a fellow dane | 00:33 |
| arj_ | :) | 00:33 |
| arj_ | I'm a little confused. After upgrading my n810, the map software seems to ask for a key. From googling, it appears I have to buy a wayfinder license, but I thought one was included? | 00:33 |
| cars__ | A trial license is included for navigation/directions, but position and maps are free. | 00:35 |
| arj_ | ok, I see | 00:35 |
| arj_ | thanks | 00:35 |
| cars__ | otherwise, you need to subscribe to the nav functions | 00:36 |
| cars__ | there are alternative programs available | 00:36 |
| arj_ | yeah like maemo mapper? | 00:37 |
| cars__ | arj_, Yes, like maemo mapper, which can have better functionality. | 00:38 |
| cars__ | There are a couple others, but I don't know how often they are updated. | 00:40 |
| arj_ | does maemo mapper provide driving instructions? | 00:40 |
| cars__ | It does, but it requires an internet connection. If you have it tethered to your phone it's not a bad solution. | 00:42 |
| arj_ | can't I just download all the maps beforehand if I know where I'm going? | 00:42 |
| cars__ | Or you could just get them before you leave and along the way at hotspots as you get lost. | 00:42 |
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| arj_ | cool | 00:43 |
| arj_ | and it uses openstreetmap? | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | can use google maps too | 00:43 |
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| arj_ | I have been uploading and helping with improve openstreetmap, so it would be nice if I could use it as well :) | 00:44 |
| cars__ | I don't know if it does, or not. I'm fairly certain the maps are raster based, which is why it needs the net connection for directions. | 00:46 |
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| arj_ | but if I used google maps I could download everything before I went? | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | could with any of them i think | 00:46 |
| cars__ | there is osm2go, which apparently is an editor for openstreetmaps | 00:46 |
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| cars__ | Is there a setting for a mic boost on the n810/diablo? Maemo recorder has very faint recordings. | 00:49 |
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| kpel | hi | 00:58 |
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| mavhc | google maps does use vectors in hybrid mode though, seems like noone's worked out how to steal (err, cache) them yet though | 01:14 |
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| Mace` | awesome | 03:53 |
| Mace` | got video on my old dual p3/500 :) | 03:53 |
| Mace` | time to install fbsd on it | 03:53 |
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| ds3 | pwd | 04:22 |
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| Mace` | hm | 04:30 |
| Mace` | looks like one of these old pc100 dimms is broken :) | 04:30 |
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| zakkm | How does the n800 beat n770 in terms of performance? I had the n770 but it was very slow for even normal usage sometimes. | 05:16 |
| zakkm | Also, is it faster / smoother if the OS is on the SD card rather than on the flash memory built into the n800(high speed SD card) | 05:16 |
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| srf21c | anyone know if there's a way to control the volume on the N800 from the command line? | 06:04 |
| zakkm | of course there is | 06:05 |
| srf21c | I'm able to contral vagalume from an ssh session... | 06:06 |
| zakkm | what the command is is entirely different | 06:06 |
| srf21c | which is pretty cool. | 06:06 |
| zakkm | try alsamixer | 06:06 |
| srf21c | enlighten me pleeze.... | 06:06 |
| srf21c | ok | 06:06 |
| zakkm | i dont know if maemo uses alsa but if it does alsamixer would work | 06:06 |
| srf21c | not found from the command line | 06:06 |
| srf21c | .do you know the executable name? | 06:06 |
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| zakkm | damn | 06:06 |
| zakkm | i dont know what maemo uses for audio | 06:06 |
| zakkm | maemo multimedia architecture page says it uses alsa library | 06:07 |
| zakkm | onesec | 06:07 |
| srf21c | well that's what I was asking in the first place!! | 06:07 |
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| srf21c | And you said "of course there is"....hahah | 06:07 |
| zakkm | does amixer work? | 06:07 |
| zakkm | no i mean. .for anything in maemo / linux.. theres a commandline way.. | 06:08 |
| srf21c | let me check. | 06:08 |
| zakkm | the gui just controls the commandline | 06:08 |
| srf21c | nope | 06:08 |
| zakkm | but what it is .. is entirely up to finding out | 06:08 |
| srf21c | no love with amixer | 06:08 |
| zakkm | oaky then i dont know | 06:08 |
| cyrus__ | Trying to install deblet on the internal memory card, and it fails saying - Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg reutrn error code (1). Chroot command failed | 06:08 |
| cyrus__ | then it says cleaning up after out md5sum. Press enter to close window | 06:09 |
| zakkm | srf21c: it says it uses alsa, therefore amixer should work .. | 06:09 |
| zakkm | cause thats alsa volume control command | 06:09 |
| srf21c | nit:~# find / -name amixer | 06:10 |
| srf21c | find: /mnt/initfs/sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files | 06:10 |
| srf21c | find: /sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files | 06:10 |
| srf21c | nada | 06:10 |
| zakkm | amixer -c 0 set PCM mute | 06:11 |
| zakkm | try that | 06:11 |
| srf21c | there is no amixer binary. | 06:11 |
| srf21c | that's the problem | 06:11 |
| srf21c | nothing in the path, nor is there anything that turns up via a file search. | 06:11 |
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| zakkm | does alsaconf exist? | 06:15 |
| srf21c | give me a minute please, and I'll check | 06:16 |
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| srf21c | nuttin. | 06:18 |
| srf21c | nit:~# find / -name alsaconf | 06:18 |
| srf21c | find: /mnt/initfs/sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files | 06:18 |
| srf21c | find: /sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files | 06:18 |
| zakkm | then i dont know | 06:18 |
| srf21c | you're fired!! | 06:18 |
| srf21c | haha | 06:18 |
| srf21c | j/k. | 06:18 |
| zakkm | according to the maemo multimedia page it says it uses ALSA and ALSACONF | 06:18 |
| zakkm | therefore amixer, alsaconf and alsamixer should exist.. | 06:18 |
| srf21c | well I'm having a heck of a time finding them. | 06:19 |
| zakkm | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html | 06:19 |
| zakkm | maemo 3.x: Multimedia Architecture | 06:19 |
| zakkm | alsa-lib is the user-space library that applications use to access ALSA functionality. Through alsa-lib, you can have simple raw PCM audio playback and recording. | 06:20 |
| zakkm | is right in the diagram of the N800 | 06:20 |
| zakkm | alsa includes Tools | 06:21 |
| zakkm | * alsactl | 06:21 |
| zakkm | alsa includes alsamixer, alsamixer, alsactl .. etc | 06:21 |
| srf21c | I can't find the exes anywhere though... | 06:21 |
| srf21c | well, executables, to be precise... | 06:22 |
| zakkm | :(, dont know :( | 06:23 |
| zakkm | i dont currently have a nokia NIT .. my n770 got wsod months ago and im saving up for n800 so i cant test myself. | 06:23 |
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| srf21c | ok, thanks for trying. | 06:27 |
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| LiraNuna | when does the WiMAX edition comes? | 08:54 |
| Pavlov | came out a while ago i thought | 08:58 |
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| orangey | hey all! | 09:04 |
| orangey | is there such a thing as a "maemo emulator" or a "maemo running in a VM" that I can use to test maemo? | 09:04 |
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| wnd | orangey, you should be able to run most of maemo stuff in scratchbox | 09:08 |
| orangey | on that note, is now a good time to buy an n810? | 09:08 |
| orangey | or should I wait for the new devices to be announced? | 09:08 |
| orangey | wnd: thanks | 09:11 |
| moontiger | orangey, the new one isnt due til mid next year so i would go for it | 09:15 |
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| bef0rd | ~sdk | 09:24 |
| infobot | Software Development Kit | 09:24 |
| bef0rd | hm | 09:24 |
| RST38h | ~infobot | 09:24 |
| infobot | rst38h, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/ | 09:24 |
| bef0rd | ~maemo-sdk | 09:24 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ | 09:24 |
| bef0rd | <infobot> rst38h, I love abuse >_> | 09:26 |
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| RST38h | ~test | 09:39 |
| infobot | Failed! | 09:39 |
| RST38h | ~ping | 09:40 |
| infobot | ~pong | 09:40 |
| RST38h | ~pong | 09:40 |
| infobot | ~ping | 09:40 |
| moontiger | damn jessica biel is hot | 09:40 |
| * moontiger installs the maemo-sdk stuff | 09:41 | |
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| melmoth | Anybody fluent with gstreamer ? | 10:35 |
| melmoth | I can get a pic from the camera, but i do not understand how to stop the camera then (setting the gst pipeline status to GST_STATE_NULL does not seem to be the thing to do) | 10:36 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart maemo policy | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | what'd you get hit with this time? | 10:50 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd like to put something in user/net which seems fair but the maemo policy doesn't list user/net as an allowed section for stuff in user/ or anything similar to it (and no, I don't count communication to be similar). A fucking stupid decision considering most maemo stuff is for an *internet* tablet. | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | user/other it is :) | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm trying to auction for two ipaq 3630 and i'm really wondering if it's worth the hassle | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | even if i can get them for 10 quid | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | (in total) | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | I remember those things in the argos catalogue dated about 7 years back :p | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | You trying to run opie or something on it? :) | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | thinking my gf could use it for synching calendar and such at her new work but then agáin | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | with no bluetooth or wlan it's .. -kinda- boring | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | The only old old windows ce device that I still quite like are the "handheld pc's" | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | but since from fresh price is like 5x the price, it's worth pursuing | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | did find a n800 for about 158 pound though in .dk | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | Nice | 10:56 |
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| * Stskeeps is doing battery rundown tests on deblet atm | 11:05 | |
| Stskeeps | to find out how long it can actually stay awake before dying being just idle | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. atleast 7-8 hours so far :P | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | but battery log doesn't look that good | 11:07 |
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| Mace` | changing banks sucks | 13:42 |
| qwerty12 | banks suck | 13:43 |
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| mavhc | the bank card system is so insecure, to give a shop money I have to give them my username (card number) and password (pin), and online I just need to give them my username | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | really? all the online shops I've used come out with this verified by visa crap | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | enter in the credit card number then I've got to put in the code on the back and then enter in some next passwords etc | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you don't happen to have a roxterm src package do you? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope. It was pretty much a straight compile though with some repacking at the end | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:53 |
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| Mace` | hm.. cheapest computer i could build that doesn't completely suck is still $327 | 14:12 |
| Mace` | lame | 14:12 |
| Mace` | i suppose i could have skimmed on the cpu a bit more | 14:12 |
| johnx | it's the $20 here and $10 there that get you these days | 14:12 |
| mavhc | make the case out of a shoebox | 14:12 |
| Mace` | i'm just building something extremely simple | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw how bloody easy bluetooth PAN is? | 14:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, in debian? not yet | 14:13 |
| Mace` | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101069 | 14:13 |
| Mace` | that's what i'm building it with :) | 14:13 |
| Mace` | i am actually thinking about building a few of those | 14:13 |
| Mace` | to use as servers | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232780&postcount=52 | 14:14 |
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| Mace` | ah well.. i have to hook the leds up on this old dual p3/500 and shove it in the closet | 14:14 |
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| Mace` | need to check to bios too to make sure it doesn't halt on no video errors | 14:14 |
| nano- | Are there any clutter repositories? | 14:14 |
| nano- | or clutter is not usable on diablo? | 14:15 |
| nano- | (with n810) | 14:15 |
| lcuk | clutter requires a 3d driver and accelleration, unless you can pull a driver out from the netherregions I think we are screwed | 14:16 |
| nano- | Check. | 14:16 |
| * lcuk wants clutter and all the rest of the 3d goodness | 14:16 | |
| Stskeeps | nano-: check as in you have something, or? :P | 14:18 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think "Check." in this context means "balls!" | 14:19 |
| melmoth | Anybody here with stome gstreamer experience willing to have a look on a problem i have asking gst to stop the video feed ? | 14:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 14:20 |
| lcuk | melmoth, whats not stopping, ive got very little experience but never had a problem stopping video when i want | 14:20 |
| lcuk | (liqbase uses gstreamer camera stuff) | 14:20 |
| nano- | Stskeeps: no.. check as in "thanks for the information, now i don't have to google any more" | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:20 |
| melmoth | i know. i read it today to see how you manage to stop it :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:21 |
| melmoth | my sample code is here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/phonehome/src/dsk_mgr.c?revision=414&root=sayhoo&view=markup | 14:21 |
| melmoth | the idea is to be able to take a pic when the network connection is up | 14:21 |
| lcuk | im extremely torn | 14:21 |
| lcuk | bacon == goodness | 14:21 |
| melmoth | (the whole stuff is suppoed to be an automatic call home application in case the tabket get stolen) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | crispy bacon == making sore tooth sorererer | 14:22 |
| lcuk | melmoth, how do you stop the big red light from coming on when the cam is in use | 14:22 |
| melmoth | i do not underestand where i am supposed to put the pipeline in a pause state, or when to stop it. | 14:22 |
| melmoth | as a result, once the connection is up, it takes a picture, but then, the red led keeps being on | 14:23 |
| Mace` | http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm | 14:23 |
| Mace` | wow | 14:23 |
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| melmoth | lcuk: stoping the big red light to come up is also i problem i have (but a less annoying one :) ) | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | yeah, theres about a 5 second lead tiem between the light coming on and the stream starting | 14:25 |
| lcuk | i dont know how often you expect to run the camera to take a shot, but have you tried closing the stream inside buffer_probe_callback after a successful picture | 14:27 |
| lcuk | or do you just want to pause the stream but leave it alive for the duration of your software | 14:27 |
| lcuk | (side effect would be camera locked from other software | 14:28 |
| melmoth | i want to be able to stop as much ressourcexs as possible once a pic is taken | 14:28 |
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| melmoth | Hmm; let see if i can close the stream in buffer_probe_callback | 14:30 |
| lcuk | if i was doing this i would try to break the camera and gps and main controlling code into different modules and have them as call once functional items and not try to mingle everything | 14:32 |
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| melmoth | gps stuff is sort of working. | 14:32 |
| melmoth | it store each position in a linked list, can save it to disk if needed. | 14:33 |
| melmoth | and send it a remote xmlrcp server when the connection is up before foregtting about it | 14:34 |
| melmoth | now, i would also like to be able to send some random pic taken when the connexion is up (where there are more change to have a face in front of the lens) | 14:34 |
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| dneary | Hi all | 15:19 |
| dneary | Any gamers about? | 15:19 |
| dneary | If a PS3 console is bought in the US, will I be able to play games bought in the UK on it? | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | dneary, google says ps3 is region free, but search more | 15:23 |
| lcuk | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080327051559AAEJUV2 | 15:23 |
| solmumaha | dneary: i think games work, movies not so much | 15:23 |
| lcuk | well dvds have always been regionlocked | 15:24 |
| dneary | lcuk, solmumaha: Thanks | 15:24 |
| Mace` | just mod it and rip the discs to mkv x264s | 15:24 |
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| johnx | I wonder if they manage to region lock the DVD drive on it when it's booted to linux... | 15:26 |
| tibob | hi | 15:26 |
| lcuk | johnx depends if the shipping dvd software honours the region, most legit soft will - with a nudge and a wink to unlock | 15:27 |
| Mace` | think i'm going to buy an 8G SD to boot centos | 15:27 |
| Mace` | the cheapest sata drives newegg had were 80G and cost $30 | 15:27 |
| Mace` | i was hoping to find something for $10 .. don't need that much space | 15:27 |
| johnx | lcuk, as far as I know there aren't really any commonly available commercial "region-honoring" DVD playing softwares for linux | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | PowerDVD for Linux | 15:28 |
| johnx | huh | 15:28 |
| johnx | I wonder if anyone uses it on purpose | 15:28 |
| Mace` | haha | 15:29 |
| Mace` | i doubt it | 15:29 |
| Mace` | i didn't even know there was a powerdvd for linux | 15:29 |
| lcuk | johnx, depends if its part of the OOB experience or not | 15:29 |
| Mace` | just like i was shocked to find out there was linux nero | 15:29 |
| lcuk | thats a petty old lead i remember, i havent looked recently | 15:29 |
| Mace` | i returned something to a store on friday and i'm pissed that i did because if i did it thurs instead of being so lazy my money would be back already | 15:30 |
| lcuk | as much as we are hackers, we have to remember people are willing to pay for commercially supported products | 15:30 |
| Mace` | lcuk - especially on macs | 15:30 |
| Mace` | have you ever seen teh software people try to sell ? | 15:30 |
| Mace` | some of it is like "why the fuck would anybody buy that" | 15:31 |
| lcuk | especially now the netbooks are taking off, its something dramatic that has to change | 15:31 |
| Mace` | if you do a google search for ssh | 15:31 |
| lcuk | preinstalled with linux people buying them from the stores expect certain things to work as standard | 15:31 |
| Mace` | you will find "ssh solutions" that cost around $500 | 15:31 |
| johnx | lcuk, not on linux, unless it's available from the start. DVD playing is pretty much a click away in ubuntu, IIRC | 15:31 |
| lcuk | yes, like commercial vnc type services | 15:31 |
| lcuk | people dont wanna mess and will happily pay if they work | 15:32 |
| Mace` | well.. commercial vnc services have encryption usually | 15:32 |
| Mace` | which i could see the reasoning behind wanting | 15:32 |
| lcuk | its more the central server and router bypassing that appeals | 15:32 |
| dneary | lcuk: Looks like there's still NTSC/PAL issues with the PS3 | 15:32 |
| lcuk | ahhh dneary, odd in a digital world | 15:32 |
| Mace` | but the ssh solutions that cost 500-1000 | 15:32 |
| Mace` | that's just a scam :) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | but its secure! | 15:32 |
| johnx | I could never trust closed source un-vetted encryption... | 15:33 |
| Mace` | me neither | 15:33 |
| Mace` | funny thing is.. it probably uses the same sshkeygen :) | 15:33 |
| Mace` | all it is is a front end for ssh... and it costs 400+ | 15:33 |
| Mace` | you can find a ton of them out there... it's a big ass scam | 15:33 |
| Mace` | like cert authorities | 15:34 |
| lcuk | and you get an SLA and agents to support it without ever having to hit the console yourself | 15:34 |
| Mace` | i think that's the biggest scam of them all | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: deblet lasts 12 hours in idle on full battery btw | 15:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, idle with wifi off or on? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | wifi off, bluetooth off | 15:34 |
| johnx | ick | 15:34 |
| Mace` | so 2 hours with it on? :) | 15:34 |
| johnx | I wonder what keeps it ticking | 15:34 |
| dneary | lcuk: Sure - but the input to the telly is still analog, no? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | this is without cpu usage applet too | 15:35 |
| lcuk | dneary, depends on the telly i suppose | 15:35 |
| dneary | lcuk: Maybe over HDMI it's not an issue? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: then again 12 hour idle time for a much larger laptop is also impressive ;) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt try a next gen HD console unless i had a next gen HD telly ;) | 15:35 |
| * lcuk huggles his wii | 15:35 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, true enough. | 15:35 |
| Mace` | wii does 720p | 15:36 |
| Mace` | ;) | 15:36 |
| Mace` | oh wait... maybe not | 15:36 |
| johnx | Mace`, uhm no :) | 15:36 |
| johnx | 480p I think | 15:36 |
| solmumaha | dneary: send me an ntsc game and i'll test | 15:36 |
| Mace` | it sure doesn't.. it does 480p | 15:36 |
| Mace` | yeah haha | 15:36 |
| Mace` | that sucks | 15:36 |
| lcuk | it might upscale to it, but its not natively support i dont tihnk | 15:36 |
| * johnx 's wii is now region free :) | 15:36 | |
| dneary | solmumaha: muaahaha | 15:36 |
| Mace` | no.. it doesn't | 15:36 |
| lcuk | dneary, send me an ntsc ps3 and ill test it | 15:36 |
| Mace` | i should play my wii.. haven't done so in a while | 15:36 |
| Mace` | bbl | 15:36 |
| dneary | You'll be lcuky | 15:37 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 15:37 |
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| jkr | Ahoy | 15:38 |
| johnx | avast! | 15:39 |
| jkr | Is there a way to subscribe to IMAP folders in the standard mail client on OS2008? | 15:39 |
| jkr | I can create folders, but I can't list folders that are already on the IMAP server. | 15:39 |
| jkr | I tried creating an existing folder, but that fails. | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with experience with oprofile on n800/n810? | 15:41 |
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| Mace` | i have to find a battery for my old g3 | 16:00 |
| Mace` | it uses some strange 1/2AA 3.6v battery | 16:00 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 charger history: 1xAC-3X, 3xAC-4X, currently: 1xAC-5X | 16:35 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, have you considered that its time to replace your fingers :P | 16:38 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I'm sorry, but I must: You're doing it wrong. | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol, i'm always breaking things :p | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, how? :p | 16:39 |
| johnx | i really don't know. I'm not the one who broke 4 (?!) ac adapters for one device | 16:40 |
| lcuk | johnx, you've gotta let him off, hes young he must tug on it all day long | 16:40 |
| johnx | gah | 16:40 |
| johnx | only power source I had die on me was a craptastic pelican external PSP battery. made a whine, smokey smell, then wouldn't charge. like 3 months later there was a recall on them | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, my sony ericsson charger works and the charger for my broken n-gage :p | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, maybe in the north, yeh? :p | 16:42 |
| lcuk | oooer johnx, i have to say though i was worried about the charger for 810 when i got it, its a very small needle and at such an odd angle, my old pda had a proper cradle | 16:42 |
| johnx | is the plug physically breaking? or is some electronic component burning out? | 16:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, agreed. I feel a lot better about the PSP/zaurus power adapter | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, burning out :/ | 16:43 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah, nevermind then about "doing it wrong" | 16:43 |
| lcuk | have you got a surge protector on your mains side? | 16:43 |
| johnx | do you live in an old house? | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no, not upstairs anyway | 16:44 |
| nano- | I have a build-prompt like this: [SB2 maemo diablo41_armel] daniel@purplehaze vala-0.3.5 $ | 16:44 |
| lcuk | might be an idea to get one | 16:44 |
| nano- | But I can't do install as I have no perms nowhere.. | 16:44 |
| nano- | make install leads to permission denied, and sudo make install leads to sudo: must be setuid root | 16:45 |
| nano- | Anyone knows what to do? | 16:45 |
| johnx | lcuk, do surge protectors do anything to smooth out bumps in the power or do they just have a fast-acting fuse/breaker? | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, i'd say so but the electrics were rewired to make that modern | 16:45 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, by a hobo with a glass bottle in a paper bag who pushed his tools in a stolen grocery cart? | 16:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, lol, no :p. my brother's ac-4x that he keeps upstairs still works :/ | 16:47 |
| lcuk | johnx, depends on the model i believe, but most should regulate and smooth the input to ensure nothing surges through. some have larger diodes and components to handle larger variations, but they are heading towards UPS type devices then | 16:47 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, different outlet than you use, right? | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, yeah | 16:48 |
| lcuk | we cannot rule out the qwerty factor in all of this, i bet he has same trouble with the christmas tree lights | 16:48 |
| johnx | nano-, maybe fakeroot make install or change the PREFIX when using configure? | 16:48 |
| johnx | lcuk, ugh, I hate dealing with the fuses on those things...maddening | 16:48 |
| lcuk | heh johnx, the last ups i had the misfortune to have to deal with the customer had sat there for about 3 weeks wondering why it had a big flashing red light on it, then wondered why their server went down | 16:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i'll try out that acmonitor i modded with the idea I stole from you :p. i'lll laugh if my implementation works because i remember how long your code for it was :p | 16:51 |
| lcuk | "i thought it was flashing to tell me it was working" | 16:51 |
| lcuk | my code wasnt long, ive still got it somewhere | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | it was only 3 minor functions to do the transfer, but the acmon code was integration into the existing program using the existing methods | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i see, i went for the easier option :p | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | heh, i needed to do it as parameters so i could change my mind without changing the code | 16:53 |
| lcuk | and it worked really well until i moved to diablo | 16:53 |
| lcuk | then just havent reinstalled yet ;) | 16:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what happened? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | nothin, i just havent installed it | 16:54 |
| nikosapi | Hey, is there a way to access the "zoom" buttons (F7&F8) while the device is locked? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | nikosapi, perhaps the term "locked" means something to you that it doesnt to others | 16:55 |
| lcuk | though if you use the low level xsp library you CAN still access uncalibrated touchscreen events ;) | 16:55 |
| nikosapi | heh | 16:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh lol, mine stopped working suddenly and it took me a while to figure it out | 16:55 |
| nikosapi | lcuk: If you've ever used an archos, even when it "locked" you can still access the volume controls | 16:56 |
| nikosapi | it's really handy instead of having to unlock, change the volume then lock again | 16:56 |
| nikosapi | and those buttons really don't get accidentally pressed | 16:57 |
| lcuk | hmmm i thought headphones had volume on them | 16:57 |
| * lcuk might be mistaken | 16:57 | |
| nikosapi | not mine... | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | ahhh yeah, its my missuses | 16:57 |
| lcuk | nikosapi, it does sound like a quantry though, not sure if you can get at the low low level stuff, but x11 blocks it | 16:58 |
| nikosapi | darn | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that's not a bad idea actually... | 16:58 |
| lcuk | i only know because i was runnin my program happily one day (very touch screen oriented) and only when i pressed [esc] did i realise it was still locked | 16:58 |
| nikosapi | hehe, well that's kind of the opposite of what I need :) | 16:59 |
| lcuk | yeah lol, but there may be a low level entry point somewhere under x that you can poll | 17:00 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is looking at a more dubious method of doing it. those who know me will know what i'm looking at | 17:01 | |
| lcuk | i mean - SOMETHING is monitoring the keypresses - its the thing which brings up the "slide [| ] to unlock" | 17:01 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, do you want the diff between mine and the original | 17:01 |
| nikosapi | right | 17:01 |
| nano- | johnx: using fakeroot... /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/include/vala-1.0': Read-only file system | 17:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, that would be nice please | 17:02 |
| lcuk | ermmmm, ive "lost" my 810 :S | 17:02 |
| lcuk | its connected to the network but i cant see it anywhere | 17:02 |
| nikosapi | hahaha | 17:03 |
| krutt | lol | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, no problems then :) | 17:03 |
| nikosapi | ssh in and play something with mplayer :P | 17:03 |
| lcuk | can i play a sound via ssh? | 17:03 |
| krutt | connect it via ssh, and run mplayer with mp3 | 17:03 |
| krutt | lol | 17:03 |
| krutt | yes | 17:03 |
| krutt | ;) | 17:03 |
| lcuk | k, just a mo | 17:03 |
| nano- | johnx: i have no idea where to install otherwisee. my file system looks a bit funny when using scratchbox.. any hints? | 17:03 |
| krutt | run the local mplayer on ur 810 | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, if you have jott's led program, start that up too | 17:04 |
| lcuk | nahhh i hate that glowing thing - it woke me once about 3 days after i bought it and everything else was dark - i thought the fluppin aliens had come to take me away | 17:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | northerners and their delusions... | 17:05 |
| lcuk | can i increase volume on the command line | 17:05 |
| lcuk | cos its playin Anna Abreu and i cant hear her | 17:06 |
| nikosapi | alsamixer | 17:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, give me a min or 2. it's lonng to do nokia's way | 17:06 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc2/Video# alsamixer | 17:06 |
| lcuk | -sh: alsamixer: not found | 17:06 |
| nikosapi | huh, then there's gotta be a way to do it through dbus | 17:07 |
| lcuk | i dont care if its dbus or dtaxi or even dtrain i just wanna find my nokia :'( | 17:07 |
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| lcuk | !! brb goin on a tour of the house | 17:07 |
| povbot` | lcuk: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 17:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | !kill infobot | 17:08 |
| povbot` | qwerty12_N800: Error: "kill" is not a valid command. | 17:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | arrgh | 17:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, slap povbot | 17:08 |
| * infobot slaps povbot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 17:08 | |
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| lcuk | :D found it | 17:09 |
| lcuk | now which numpty put it in the kitchen cupboard :| | 17:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nikosapi, there is a way, quite easy, let me find the command i used | 17:09 |
| johnx | nano-, it's some cross stuff overlayed onto your real fs, it's not really meant to be able to install things into random places I'm sure | 17:11 |
| johnx | nano-, so just ./configure --prefix=/home/nano/tmp/test | 17:11 |
| nano- | johnx: oh :( | 17:12 |
| johnx | nano-, what are you trying to do? | 17:12 |
| nano- | I'm trying to install vala in my maemo build environment. It was dead easy in chinook, but things seem to have changed in diablo. | 17:13 |
| nano- | or maybe my memory fails me | 17:13 |
| johnx | sb and sb2 are kinda different | 17:13 |
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| johnx | I guess I should try sb2 again anyways | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | try to get a deblet sb2 running, - i almost threw my laptop into the wall doing it | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nikosapi, lcuk (better late than never :p) : gconftool -s -t int /apps/osso/sound/master_volume 100 | 17:15 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, we seem to be facing the same impasses recently :) | 17:15 |
| nikosapi | heh, nice | 17:15 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 :D excellent, but ive found it now :P | 17:15 |
| lcuk | good old detective work ;0 | 17:15 |
| lcuk | is there a gconf tool option to prevent leaving it in the wrong place? | 17:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i know :) blame gconf-editor not being in diablo extras :p | 17:16 |
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| lcuk | hmmm where do i get diff for my device from - i thought it must be installed cos doesnt svn use it | 17:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | svn has an internal diff afaik | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | diffutils | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | don't think it's in extras | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | maybe sdk :P i miss it occasionally too | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | or tools | 17:26 |
| lcuk | ive got sdk repo configured but theres no diff* type things there | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you can't get it, then it's no problems :), thank you though | 17:27 |
| lcuk | do you just want the source :) | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that would be good thanks :) | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: you better not to go to sleep right now | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | got pretty screenshot coming up | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, gah...I really was gonna sleep | 17:33 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i bet johnx could find much prettier screenshots :P | 17:33 |
| johnx | you're a horrible influence | 17:33 |
| johnx | both of you | 17:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~seen alterego | 17:36 |
| infobot | alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 227d 22h 19m 21s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'. | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | shitfuck | 17:37 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, looks like you just missed him | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn! i blame the charger | 17:37 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, looking for ruby or alterego? | 17:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, alterego :) | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/deblet-mobile.png | 17:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, very, very nice | 17:38 |
| lcuk | sts, very crisp | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | now, i dunno why the fonts look weird but hey.. | 17:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, background is a little blurry though :/ | 17:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, *thumbs up* | 17:39 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is that a dialog window, can these tihngs be made fullscreen | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ported all the ubuntu mobile packages | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ported all the ubuntu mobile pack:P | 17:39 |
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| johnx | lcuk, just the popup from the clock I think | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that sounds like a lot of pain and compiling | 17:40 |
| lcuk | yeah johnx, but like most of these dialogs, i want them fingerfriendly | 17:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, I agree. There's no reason to not make basically everything full screen | 17:41 |
| lcuk | if done correctly it works and helps focus on whats important :) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yes | 17:43 |
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| * lcuk goes tidying | 17:43 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, how does it feel? | 17:43 |
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| johnx | the desktop I mean, not the compiling | 17:43 |
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| johnx | lcuk|hooverin, get a roomba :P | 17:44 |
| lcuk|hooverin | heh | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well i can't really start that much.. not sure what the launcher is supposed to do | 17:44 |
| lcuk|hooverin | i cant fit "lcuk|overseeing the hooverin cos i dont know how to turn it on" | 17:44 |
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| lcuk|hooverin | kids make ideal roombas, but need more supervision ;) | 17:45 |
| lcuk|hooverin | back later | 17:45 |
| johnx | 'later | 17:45 |
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| RST38h | "He finished 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy and crashed three jet fighters during his career as a pilot, only to be bailed out by his father, who was an admiral at the time. He may also have been involved in the 1967 fire on the aircraft carrier Forrestal which destroyed the ship and caused the deaths of 133 sailors." | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Quiz: Who is is worthy airman? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | McCain | 18:09 |
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| johnx | forums make me want to cry sometimes | 18:12 |
| RST38h | But of course | 18:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: not kill all the other posters? | 18:13 |
| johnx | nah, I remember being that dumb^Wnaive once | 18:14 |
| RST38h | still, killing-all-humans is worth any justification | 18:14 |
| johnx | but it's such a fulltime job | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: did kouroro even work for you? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it breaks bigtime for me | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | like, doing stuff that's not in apis etc | 18:16 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I tried on the zaurus and there are other ... issues with it I think | 18:16 |
| johnx | it's using ibex versions of hildon I think | 18:16 |
| johnx | did you build the hardy versions or ibex versions? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but so am i :P | 18:16 |
| johnx | madness | 18:16 |
| johnx | you went the full 9 yards, eh? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | it fails on simple stuff like gtk.gdk.Color() etc | 18:17 |
| johnx | I don't see where the bootsplash is started. am I missing something? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | in deblet? /lib/init/splash-functions | 18:19 |
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| johnx | but, what's the init script that calls that first? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | /etc/init.d/rc | 18:21 |
| johnx | thanks, I think I was being dumb | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | can be disabled with rescue menu as well now | 18:25 |
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| johnx | if I reinstall bootmenu will that give me the rescue option? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | oh, this is a deblet thing | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | outside bootmenu | 18:28 |
| johnx | so maybe I'll just do a clean install then since mine is crudded up with half installed hary/ibex hildon stuff | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | you rm'ed the usbnet-emergency-telnetd init.d link i presume? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | so's mine atm :P | 18:29 |
| johnx | anything new and beta I should triy? :) | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | though it's not complaing in apt | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe. i fixed up nit-env-lxde a little bit to avoid screensavers and such and made bluetooth applet appear on boot | 18:29 |
| * johnx 's typing tonight is awful O_o | 18:29 | |
| Stskeeps | same here.. cooking a pizza atm, think i'm low on blood sugar | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:30 |
| whodat | so.. the n810 has two memory cards in it? one thats like 256meg (where the os/apps are installed) and one thats 2gig? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | whodat: 256mb internal flash, 2gig internal SD card, and possibility to put a SD card in externally | 18:33 |
| johnx | hmm...my a-data sd card is toast I guess :| | 18:34 |
| whodat | stskeeps: could I move like /usr to the 2gig internal..mount it there? so i could put apps on there instead? i know you can put the entire os there but that seems overkill. | 18:35 |
| johnx | whodat, it's way more complicated to just put /usr there compared to putting the whole OS there | 18:35 |
| johnx | you lose a lot by having it split up and don't gain anything | 18:36 |
| whodat | maybe.. but it makes more sense logicly heh | 18:36 |
| johnx | from a unix perspective, yes, it makes more sense | 18:36 |
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| whodat | on ubuntu i mount /home to a seperate partition for instance | 18:36 |
| johnx | from an embedded systems perspective, it makes less sense | 18:36 |
| whodat | ahh. well, okay... ...why? ;) | 18:37 |
| johnx | basically, if you're going to be powering the sd card the whole time, and have files mounted off it, you might as well keep two completely separate OSes installed for redundancy | 18:38 |
| whodat | actually I think it would have made more sense to just drop the 256mb on the device and install the OS to the 2gig internal. although, okay. its probably slower than flash. | 18:39 |
| johnx | I think that was mostly for backwards compatibility with the n800 | 18:39 |
| whodat | so its not slower? | 18:39 |
| whodat | flash vs internal sd card | 18:39 |
| johnx | well, the flash uses a compressed filesystem, so it's probably going to be slower | 18:40 |
| whodat | wow | 18:40 |
| johnx | I don't think the internal sd card is a hi-speed model though | 18:40 |
| whodat | maybe i should just move the whole OS then. this 256meg limit sucks | 18:40 |
| johnx | did you already fill it up with apps? | 18:41 |
| whodat | yeah | 18:41 |
| johnx | and you already removed the instruction manual, example pictures and video and music? | 18:41 |
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| johnx | I really am curious, what do you have installed that's taking so much space? | 18:42 |
| whodat | /dev/mtdblock4 255488 161896 93592 63% / | 18:42 |
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| whodat | i still have 93meg but just thinking about the fiture | 18:43 |
| johnx | ah, I see | 18:43 |
| johnx | tell me when you fill it up then :) | 18:43 |
| johnx | and remember, that it's a compressed FS *and* the apps are generally really small | 18:43 |
| whodat | oh, so i dont have to wipe it to copy it over | 18:43 |
| johnx | also, it started at 50% full :D | 18:44 |
| johnx | nope, just copy over to SD | 18:44 |
| whodat | yeah 93meg is so tiny on a PC... so maybe my perception is wrong ;) | 18:44 |
| johnx | think of it as about 1.5 times that much | 18:44 |
| whodat | well, i tried installing maemo maps from the package manager and it errored, i thought it erroed due to out of space but that must not be the case. | 18:45 |
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| johnx | nah, there was a problem with it recently | 18:45 |
| johnx | the new 2.5 should fix that | 18:45 |
| whodat | so i have to wait? | 18:46 |
| johnx | also, when you isntall it you *should* remember to have it store maps on the internal SD card | 18:46 |
| johnx | nah, 2.5 is out | 18:46 |
| johnx | just refresh the app manager | 18:46 |
| whodat | yes, i was hoping it would prompt me with an option to do exactly that | 18:46 |
| johnx | it's in the settings for map repositories | 18:46 |
| johnx | in the app once it's installed | 18:46 |
| whodat | also, i cant for the life of me get the SIP phone working with my vonage account. | 18:47 |
| whodat | i read on the forums where you need to rename a lib in gstreamer, i did that, still same problem. | 18:47 |
| whodat | it connects fine, green light and all which means it successfully signed into my vonage account, but when i try to make a call it rings once and then connection failed. | 18:47 |
| whodat | okay, trying maemo maps agin. | 18:48 |
| Robot101 | whodat: you can run the SIP backend on the console to watch the logs | 18:48 |
| Robot101 | whodat: SOFIASIP_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip | 18:48 |
| whodat | Robot: yes! thats what i have been trying to get! logs! i have found nothing in /var/log i thought i had to installed ksyslog | 18:49 |
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| whodat | meh.. i need nano on this device, lol | 18:50 |
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| johnx | think of it as your opportunity to learn vi :) | 18:50 |
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| * whodat can't stand vi. | 18:51 | |
| * qwerty12 couldn't at the start but I learnt the serious basics and don't mind it now | 18:51 | |
| * qwerty12 only knows about 5-7 vi commands | 18:52 | |
| whodat | yeah i know enough about it to make the change robot gave me, but i just dislike it. | 18:52 |
| RST38h | whodat: there is pico | 18:52 |
| johnx | there is nano somewhere I know | 18:52 |
| whodat | rst38: nano==pico | 18:52 |
| RST38h | begone you, vi adepts! | 18:52 |
| johnx | heh | 18:52 |
| johnx | I was forced to learn vi on a zaurus 5500 | 18:52 |
| * nano- \o/ | 18:52 | |
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| qwerty12 | lol | 18:53 |
| johnx | 16MB rootfs means you don't have much space to spare on frivolous editors | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: you had a keyboard :P | 18:53 |
| johnx | qwerty12, whodat has an n810 :P | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Fine :P | 18:54 |
| whodat | can i ssh -X to ubuntu and run ubuntu apps that way on the n810? lol | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, you can do but it doesn't work with everything. But I remember seeing firefox being ran like that... | 18:54 |
| johnx | whodat, yeah, for the most part I would think | 18:54 |
| whodat | and how about the other way 'round.. runn maemo apps on ubuntu | 18:54 |
| johnx | some are hardcoded to use DISPLAY=:0 it appears | 18:55 |
| whodat | or i guess there is a vnc server for maemo | 18:55 |
| johnx | some just misbehave | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | eww, not as such. there is n800/n810 emulation which I have set up somewhere | 18:55 |
| johnx | vnc would be fine I'm sure | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, vnc ftw | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | ssh -X to computer. not so much : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png | 18:55 |
| johnx | ~lart sapwood | 18:56 |
| * infobot duct-tapes sapwood to the floor and drools on him | 18:56 | |
| whodat | qwerty12: so whats the real error there? unable to get window id? | 18:56 |
| whodat | (on your screenshot) | 18:56 |
| johnx | one of the big ones that will affect the apps is "Failed to connect to sapwood server using ..." | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | whodat: no idea, I was only trying it to see if it could be done. but like johnx larted, it's probably sapwood | 18:57 |
| whodat | whats sapwood | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | theme server | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | it's open source though which is nice | 18:58 |
| whodat | ahh i thought it used gnome | 18:58 |
| johnx | sapwood is an image server for the hildon gtk theme engine | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | s/theme server/what johnx said :P | 18:58 |
| * qwerty12 makes a note to tar.gz sources before uploading them to server | 18:59 | |
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| qwerty12 | Ooh, that's nice. VMWare Workstation for Linux is saying it won't expire. | 19:01 |
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| dystopia | can also use VMware Player | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | Computer game millionaire Richard Garriott is now in orbit. | 19:13 |
| * vegai salutes Lord British | 19:15 | |
| whodat | bah.. which repository has vnc server | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | If he burns on reentry, will his posessions end up in some RPG dungeon for players to pick? | 19:19 |
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| lopz | hola | 19:28 |
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| whodat | hey, is there a way to get rid of the status bar at the bottom (shows abc , possible words you want to type , etc) | 19:32 |
| whodat | i dont like it popping up when i am using terminal | 19:32 |
| johnx | just disable it in the control panel, under text input I think | 19:35 |
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| xorAxAx | can i get the screen package for my maemo device? | 19:37 |
| xorAxAx | its not in chinook (extras) | 19:37 |
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| johnx | for diablo it's in the tools repo | 19:39 |
| johnx | for chinook, check gronmayer.com/it | 19:39 |
| whodat | john: i messed with those settings, no luck. | 19:43 |
| whodat | thats the first place i went lol | 19:43 |
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| whodat | i installed canola, but when launching streams from the browser, the default player is still used :( | 19:44 |
| whodat | which doesn't suppor the stream i am trying to play, but i know canola does. | 19:44 |
| * Stskeeps wonders when he'll get lynched for talking too much about deblet. | 19:45 | |
| riot | hmm.. is maemo-mapper currently broken?? I can't use the hardware keys anymore (they just scroll the map up a bit) | 19:45 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I spammed this channel way more before you :) | 19:45 |
| johnx | whodat, if you disable all the text prediction options it should go away | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: was really in relation to http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24254 :P | 19:47 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I saw that and just stepped away... | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind a good flamewar | 19:48 |
| johnx | not your post I mean | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | but in honest, if people want to have good environments, it's about time they get more involved | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | even though there's a thousand opinions | 19:50 |
| johnx | for the pandora, angstrom looks like a good solution actually | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if it's possible to do a debootstrap that builds the packages as it goes | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | .. or something | 19:53 |
| * Stskeeps is not happy about the non-optimization so | 19:53 | |
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| xorAxAx | johnx: thanks | 19:57 |
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| xorAxAx | johnx: hmm, chinook has screen according to gronmayer, but only on maemo.org. can i simply add the maemo.org lines or would they conflict with tableteer? | 20:06 |
| johnx | xorAxAx, if I were you I would just grab it from debfarm | 20:07 |
| johnx | that's where I got it | 20:07 |
| xorAxAx | oh, whats that? | 20:07 |
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| johnx | the other repo listed on gronmayer.com/it :) | 20:07 |
| xorAxAx | ah :) | 20:07 |
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| whodat | johnx: any idea how to make canola the default player so the browser launches it instead of the default media player | 20:09 |
| johnx | whodat, look for something called dbus-switchboard | 20:10 |
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| whodat | k thx | 20:11 |
| johnx | though I won't promise that what you want to do is easy | 20:11 |
| xorAxAx | Cannot find terminfo entry for 'linux'. | 20:11 |
| johnx | might need libncurses-something | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install ncurses-base (I think) | 20:11 |
| johnx | xorAxAx, ^what he said^ | 20:11 |
| whodat | johnx: i am supprised there isnt an option in the canola settings. i mean.. it supports streaming.. but yet doesnt attach that capability to the browser (which is where streaming is usually initiated) | 20:12 |
| xorAxAx | thanks! | 20:12 |
| johnx | whodat, and for that we need to have a long talk about mime types and why nokia needs to stop reinventing the wheel | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: midori is bloody fast btw | 20:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes | 20:12 |
| whodat | johnx: heh | 20:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I tell people this, but they don't listen | 20:13 |
| johnx | it eats memory after a while though :/ | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 20:13 |
| johnx | but try google maps | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | i did | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | i was really impressesd | 20:13 |
| whodat | midori? | 20:13 |
| johnx | it's like *usable* | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | microb can go home and die after that | 20:13 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:13 |
| johnx | whodat, midori web browser | 20:14 |
| whodat | hmmm ;) | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder how good it would be if it was optimized armv6 :P | 20:14 |
| johnx | maybe a little better? | 20:15 |
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| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - u around? | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: mm? | 20:18 |
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| whodat | ls -l | 20:19 |
| whodat | woop wrong window | 20:20 |
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| whodat | ls -l | 20:20 |
| whodat | what the heck.. robot told me to edit telepathy-sofiasip but it appears to be a binary file | 20:20 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps -I tried 3 times yesterday to intall deblet on my internal memory card but it always fails when tyring to install nit-env-lxde | 20:21 |
| cyrus__ | it just basically says chroot command files | 20:21 |
| johnx | whodat, <Robot101> whodat: you can run the SIP backend on the console to watch the logs | 20:21 |
| johnx | <Robot101> whodat: SOFIASIP_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip | 20:21 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - and then it exits | 20:21 |
| whodat | yeah, am i interpreting that wrong? i take it that he wants me to edit that file and insert that SOFIASIP line | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: alright, can you paste me the last lines in there before it dies? | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: i didn't do a install recently so i dunno if my altered packages break anything | 20:22 |
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| johnx | whodat, all you have to do is type exactly what he told you to | 20:22 |
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| johnx | whodat, you set two env variables on the same line as the command | 20:22 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - ok..this was late last night so I shut it off, will have to run the install again (takes about an hour) so I will post it once it gets there | 20:22 |
| whodat | oh. i always do export BLAH="<setting>" i didnt know you could start typeing a variable right on the cmd line like that, cool | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: alright - sorry for any troubles, we don't have a "stable" dist just yet, but when that comes there'll be a process for moving things to the stable edition i guess | 20:23 |
| cyrus__ | no prob. The thing is I installed it on the external card a week ago with no issue | 20:25 |
| cyrus__ | now trying to do the internal card and it fails | 20:25 |
| cyrus__ | is there any performance difference between using the internal vs external? | 20:25 |
| cyrus__ | also, how much space should I need for deblet...I made the partition 1500 megs | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | internal vs external? no, - regarding "a week ago", i did a hell lot of work the last week ;), 1500 megs should be more than enough for lxde | 20:26 |
| whodat | telepathy-sofiasip[1470]: GLIB MESSAGE default - sip-connection: unknown event #8 'nua_i_outbound', status 407 'Proxy Authentication Required' (nh=0x34fd0) | 20:27 |
| whodat | hmm | 20:27 |
| cyrus__ | ok...it is running now....will let you know | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: if you know python / shell script and have a good way to log everyone done in the process and still allow interaction, you're welcome to find out :P | 20:32 |
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| robink | pfah, I'm uninstalling QT3 | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, did you try that version? | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yep, working beautifully, i changed packaging a bit to add settings automaticallly and to run dbus-uuidgen | 21:19 |
| lcuk | nice :) like i said it was just a test at this end, obviously it can go a little further now | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:20 |
| lcuk | i did want to do one other thing - which was add a whole set of options for Locked/Unlocked | 21:20 |
| lcuk | ie battery.locked == powersave, battery.unlocked == performance | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that does sound useful :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | + charging.locked == performance, charing.unlocked == performance | 21:22 |
| lcuk | but it was just a bit too far, its all profiles and would require an interface to configure correctly before users get the wrong end of the stick | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i might see what would be needed to do the background code and see if we can tie into advanced brightness ;) | 21:24 |
| lcuk | infact, thinking about it, that would be the best place for it.. | 21:25 |
| cyrus__ | StsKeeps - the install is going and I do see a few messages stating WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | you use dbus scripts for it? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: which ones per chance? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: if it's hald-addon-bme and friends, it's okay | 21:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i would want it configurable, the only problem i ever had with the way acmon worked was that it just took on faith the brightness it was set to before changing and no actual visible configuration place | 21:26 |
| cyrus__ | bt-firmware, cx3110x-umac-module, osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: that's fine | 21:26 |
| cyrus__ | wlan-firmware | 21:26 |
| cyrus__ | k | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | we can't authenticate those o | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | so | 21:26 |
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| * Stskeeps wishes networkmanager wasn't a jerk | 21:28 | |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, do you have a car? :P | 21:31 |
| lcuk | he can install it on his skateboard | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | carman needs a K.I.T.T skin | 21:32 |
| lcuk | including turbo boost button | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, I had a feeling you were gonna say that :p. Nope, but I'll use simulation :D | 21:33 |
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| xollox | does anyone know how to get around the xulrunner installation problems for the most recent version of fennec? | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | my god Stskeeps think of the tablets' children | 21:44 |
| moontiger | morning guys | 21:44 |
| moontiger | :) | 21:44 |
| * moontiger yawns and stretches | 21:44 | |
| lcuk | hey moontiger | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: want to see pretty battery graphs? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | (from hal) | 21:45 |
| * moontiger nods | 21:45 | |
| moontiger | yeah yeah | 21:45 |
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| moontiger | Stskeeps, im working on the monitor thingy and its fun ... dbus is... interesting | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | ummm, silly q, how do i tell svn to grab latest stuff from garage (im in scratchbox vmware thingy now for building package) and i did one svn import a few days ago, but it wont let me regrab latest | 21:48 |
| moontiger | svn co | 21:48 |
| lcuk | well i thought that, but its moaning that theres not enough args | 21:48 |
| moontiger | svn co --username=xxx --password=xxx http://vvv /var/where to put it | 21:48 |
| lcuk | ahh but i thought once i did that it cached them | 21:48 |
| moontiger | noooo | 21:49 |
| lcuk | or is that user dependent - i had to do the fakeroot thingy | 21:49 |
| moontiger | an svn client will do | 21:49 |
| moontiger | like rapidsvn | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/battery.pdf | 21:49 |
| moontiger | but cmd line doesnt | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | (various HAL attributes) | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | don't have remainingtime though on there | 21:49 |
| lcuk | moontiger, it caches here on tablet, cos i just do 'svn commit -m "blah" ' and it remembers who i am | 21:49 |
| lcuk | and where it needs to go | 21:50 |
| moontiger | Stskeeps, how are you getting those graphs? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: and scale is minutes | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | moontiger: small script with hal-get-property | 21:50 |
| moontiger | are you polling? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, once a minute | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | (the graphs are horrid. idle deblet dies after 12 hours) | 21:50 |
| moontiger | ok ... im hacking in thru dbus to add a listening callback for change notifications | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's probably more power conserving | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:51 |
| moontiger | yah ... im hoping | 21:51 |
| moontiger | :) | 21:51 |
| moontiger | lcuk, i dont know about caching then but i know thats how i do check outs | 21:51 |
| lcuk | ok ill try one last thing before digging out full info | 21:51 |
| moontiger | brb gotta shower before heading off to brunch ... dodge the fighter jets and all that | 21:52 |
| derf | svn co checks out a new working copy. So it won't use any cache. | 21:52 |
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| derf | svn up should update to the latest version. | 21:52 |
| moontiger | derf ... svn co only chacks out latest | 21:52 |
| moontiger | i use it all the time | 21:53 |
| lcuk | ahhh thanks derf, the naming of the actions is a little offputting | 21:53 |
| derf | Talk to CVS. | 21:53 |
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| derf | And probably BCS/RSC before them. | 21:53 |
| derf | *RCS | 21:53 |
| derf | (I have fortunately forgotten everything I once knew about RCS) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | derf, yeah ill get used to it | 21:54 |
| lcuk | thanks | 21:54 |
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| moontiger | derf, svn co *doesn't* only get latest changes? | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | grabs from a new repo | 21:55 |
| moontiger | nu uh | 21:55 |
| moontiger | i use it all the time for updating web projects etc | 21:55 |
| derf | moontiger: I've never run it in an existing repository. | 21:55 |
| derf | Maybe it does something smart in that case. | 21:56 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh well it works just fine if you do | 21:56 |
| moontiger | you do an initial chack out | 21:56 |
| moontiger | then any check ins upload changes and subsequent check outs only pull changes down | 21:56 |
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| moontiger | exactly what i thought lcuk was asking for | 21:56 |
| moontiger | <--- confused | 21:56 |
| derf | Well, if you'd like to not keep typing the username, password, and repository each time, consider svn up | 21:57 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh so thats the diff ... it caches all the data for the connection etc | 21:57 |
| moontiger | wow good to know thnx :) | 21:57 |
| lcuk | its ok moontiger i was as well, i was looking for svn up but mistook it for co because thats what i had used last time | 21:57 |
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| moontiger | derf, i use a php script to update web projects to the live site from the repo so i always use the co form as there is no "state" between checkouts | 21:58 |
| moontiger | but the up thing is good to know | 21:58 |
| derf | moontiger: You actually want svn export | 21:58 |
| moontiger | no i tried that too | 21:59 |
| moontiger | i dont mind having a live version on the web site | 21:59 |
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| moontiger | the export dumps everything evry time | 21:59 |
| derf | Well, that doesn't leave the .svn directories everywhere. | 21:59 |
| moontiger | the co only grabs changes | 21:59 |
| derf | And it also doesn't cache your password. | 21:59 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - all these selecting previously deselected packages messages - are they okay? | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: yeah | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | just means it's taking in packages | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | "selecting" them | 21:59 |
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| moontiger | i use .htaccess (or httpd.conf) to hide any folders with "." | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: be absolutely sure to write something in Real name when it asks you, same with password/username | 22:00 |
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| moontiger | i find it more efficient to use co | 22:00 |
| moontiger | but i used to use export | 22:00 |
| derf | I mean, unless you're committing things all the time, it probably doesn't make much difference. | 22:02 |
| derf | Or if your repository is huge. | 22:02 |
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| cyrus__ | Stskeeps -k. I have been doing that | 22:03 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - just trying to get to that part so I can go for a run and let it finish off and get to the error | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: you might have to watch for the error, might help pinpoint i guess | 22:03 |
| moontiger | derf, yah web sites tend to have a lot of small files that don't change every version | 22:04 |
| cyrus__ | k | 22:04 |
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| moontiger | so exporting them takes a few seconds (or more over slow link) and the site is "broken" while its happening | 22:04 |
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| derf | Nah, export to a temporary directory and then mv it in place. | 22:04 |
| moontiger | well it still doesnt make sense (to me) to export all the files every time when 90%+ havent changed | 22:05 |
| derf | Otherwise you could have an inconsistent state with only some of the files updated when a hit comes. | 22:05 |
| moontiger | but i see where you're coming from | 22:05 |
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| AStorm | well | 22:22 |
| AStorm | latest pidgin still fails at connecting to GaduGadu | 22:22 |
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| AStorm | hmm, no, it connected apparently | 22:25 |
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| whodat | when starting maemo mapper, it tries to find the gps, just keeps saying 'searching for gps receiver' and the gps icon at the top appears and dissappears | 22:30 |
| AStorm | yay, it worked :) | 22:31 |
| AStorm | the only failing thing now is downloading contacts from server :) | 22:31 |
| AStorm | whodat: did you change any settings pertaining to GPS? | 22:32 |
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| whodat | i chose the /dev/... (second setting) | 22:32 |
| AStorm | wrong | 22:32 |
| whodat | for n810 internal gps | 22:32 |
| AStorm | set bluetooth GPS | 22:32 |
| AStorm | no, internal is also bluetooth: ) | 22:33 |
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| whodat | thats really odd | 22:33 |
| AStorm | that's the way it is | 22:33 |
| whodat | its going wirelessly to its own built in gps? heh | 22:33 |
| AStorm | no | 22:33 |
| AStorm | it goes internally loopback to it | 22:33 |
| lcuk | if i just click on a newer version of a .deb from a webpage that i initially installed from mmc will it update the internal one or create duplicate? | 22:33 |
| AStorm | leave the device field empty | 22:33 |
| Veggen | lcuk: It will update the internal one, if the package name is the same. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ahhh tis ok, it updates :) | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | i feel better now, n2 has latest liqbase :) | 22:34 |
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| zakkm | Is there a way to make the browser open mplayer when it detects it is an avi file ? | 22:35 |
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| zakkm | and "stream" it? | 22:35 |
| whodat | astorm: i can use this without having to buy the gps package from nokia? | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, dbus-switchboard, mplayer-plugin | 22:36 |
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| zakkm | so its possible? | 22:36 |
| zakkm | okay :) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | you buy the updated software elements within "map", but the gps is yours to keep | 22:36 |
| lcuk | you are free to stand around trying to get a lock as much as you like without paying any extra money | 22:37 |
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| zakkm | GPS on the n800 charges? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | gps on the n800 works almost as good as gps on the n810 | 22:39 |
| whodat | querty: what about doing it for canola2 rather than mplayer | 22:39 |
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| zakkm | Is canola2 stable yet? Last i used it was like March 08 .. and it wasnt quite that stable | 22:40 |
| mavhc | canola never really crashes, it sometimes doesn't start, and can't pause properly though | 22:40 |
| zakkm | is the n800 fast in OS2008? | 22:41 |
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| zakkm | ohh | 22:41 |
| zakkm | Is it faster to use maemo .. from SD card.. or from internal memory? | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | whodat, no idea | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, sd card | 22:41 |
| moontiger | zakkm, i find a cheap external gps generally gives me better lock times than the internal gps | 22:42 |
| zakkm | k, I'll do that then | 22:42 |
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| zakkm | No, i just want to have it to fool around with/ impressive people with it | 22:42 |
| zakkm | Not to use for GPS purposes | 22:42 |
| moontiger | well its not so impressive when it doesnt get a lock | 22:42 |
| moontiger | ;) | 22:42 |
| zakkm | why wouldnt it get a lock ? | 22:43 |
| moontiger | the internal gps has been known to be rather slow | 22:43 |
| zakkm | o well | 22:43 |
| zakkm | hows the camera like on the n800 ? | 22:43 |
| moontiger | make sure u use the agps package too | 22:43 |
| moontiger | <--- has n810 | 22:43 |
| zakkm | oh | 22:44 |
| zakkm | N810 is too expensive for me. | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, same as on n810. crap. | 22:44 |
| zakkm | I found the N800 for $170~200 used.. N810 is store is 359.99 | 22:44 |
| mavhc | speaking of the camera, how do I do video calls to PC users? | 22:44 |
| moontiger | gizmo | 22:44 |
| zakkm | Does skype work too? | 22:44 |
| moontiger | not with video | 22:44 |
| zakkm | My friends do skype video convos and i would like to join them | 22:44 |
| moontiger | gizmo + video | skype - video | 22:45 |
| zakkm | Would there be some "hack" to get it to work in skype? | 22:46 |
| moontiger | no skype is closed source | 22:46 |
| moontiger | it doesnt do it | 22:46 |
| zakkm | skype has the block? | 22:46 |
| moontiger | yes | 22:46 |
| zakkm | oh. | 22:46 |
| lcuk | zakkm, when i saw skype advertised with n810 and saw it had a camera i did same as you | 22:46 |
| lcuk | was shocked it didnt include cam support | 22:46 |
| moontiger | yah me too | 22:46 |
| zakkm | I didnt buy it yet. | 22:47 |
| zakkm | I used to own a N770 but i got WSOD.. | 22:47 |
| moontiger | the skype devs say its not possible witht he video codec they use | 22:47 |
| zakkm | and no warranty cause i bought off ebay and went past refund / return | 22:47 |
| mavhc | they just don't have l33t ARM coders | 22:47 |
| zakkm | I'm looking to buy a N800 in about 2-3 weeks. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | oh my zakkm bad luck :( | 22:47 |
| moontiger | skype == ebay == big corp who doesnt give rats ass about open source | 22:47 |
| zakkm | Yes | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | its not even OSS that i care about | 22:48 |
| zakkm | i paid $85 at the time for the N770.. it lasted about 2-3 weeks -.- .. garbage. | 22:48 |
| lcuk | i would be happy with closed source blobs | 22:48 |
| moontiger | yeah me too | 22:48 |
| lcuk | just gimme the functionality | 22:48 |
| moontiger | my wifi on my laptop isnt fully oss | 22:48 |
| lcuk | they can play whatever games they want | 22:48 |
| zakkm | closed source is okay i think :P | 22:48 |
| zakkm | Opera does fine. | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | has anyone managed to get a rogue client onto skype yet? | 22:49 |
| moontiger | for ebay skype = cost center ... means they wont invest in no payback projects | 22:49 |
| moontiger | simple | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: did anyone try and reverse engineer if skype looks for v4l devices or not? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | "while waiting for your call to connect we checked your chatlogs and thought you would be interested in ..." | 22:50 |
| zakkm | just curious.. does videochat work in skype linux? | 22:50 |
| zakkm | like normal PC.. skype linux | 22:50 |
| zakkm | x86/x86_64 | 22:50 |
| moontiger | yes | 22:50 |
| moontiger | oh wait .... not sure | 22:50 |
| bef0rd | I believe latest version supports it | 22:51 |
| moontiger | i think so | 22:51 |
| * bef0rd checks | 22:51 | |
| zakkm | Then they should get it to work :( | 22:51 |
| zakkm | for nokia | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i think they are looking at the n8x0 port as being same as phone port - ie restricted cutdown | 22:51 |
| moontiger | yes it does | 22:51 |
| lcuk | like the mapping things on phones are cutdown and put routing onto central server cos the phones cant handle it | 22:51 |
| zakkm | THen it wouldnt be much of a hassle would it? | 22:51 |
| * lcuk wonders how a petition to skype would go | 22:51 | |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m398d9f41 | 22:51 |
| moontiger | well they would have to optimize the nuts out of the code to make it work on the n8x0 | 22:52 |
| cyrus__ | that is that last few lines when it errors out on me | 22:52 |
| moontiger | lcuk, there have been many already | 22:52 |
| cyrus__ | could there be a problem with the md5sum of the nit-env-lxde package? | 22:52 |
| moontiger | big corp + market downturn = dont give a fuk | 22:52 |
| lcuk | moontiger, not really we see lots of desktop programs "work", sure they arent 60fps crysis things | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: did it mention anything about that? | 22:52 |
| zakkm | Video chat isnt that much cpu-intensive is it? | 22:52 |
| zakkm | I thought its just internet bandwidth intensive | 22:52 |
| mavhc | it's way more intensive | 22:53 |
| lcuk | encoding/decoding is intensive | 22:53 |
| Robot101 | zakkm: yes, it is. video encoding takes up huge amounts of cpu | 22:53 |
| moontiger | it has to be compressed realtime | 22:53 |
| zakkm | o | 22:53 |
| moontiger | thats hideous for cpu | 22:53 |
| Robot101 | the built-in video call app uses 100% CPU | 22:53 |
| lcuk | shame we cant use the IVA | 22:53 |
| zakkm | not video encoding.. | 22:53 |
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| Robot101 | about 70% for encoding, 25% for decoding | 22:53 |
| zakkm | video chat :P but yeah i guess it encodes | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: in maemo, chroot /mnt/deblet, apt-get install nit-env-lxde and show me what happens | 22:53 |
| zakkm | eek | 22:53 |
| Robot101 | and that's 15fps 200x150 H.263 | 22:53 |
| zakkm | whats deblet? | 22:53 |
| cyrus__ | k | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | today, my worst nightmare | 22:53 |
| zakkm | ;o | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:53 |
| moontiger | h.263 isnt very cpu friendly | 22:53 |
| moontiger | :) | 22:53 |
| Robot101 | which is really primitive by modern video standards | 22:53 |
| zakkm | lxde works in n800? | 22:54 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 22:54 |
| zakkm | lxde desktop environment? | 22:54 |
| Robot101 | actually maybe its 30fps | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 22:54 |
| Robot101 | hm, no, don't think so | 22:54 |
| Robot101 | anyway if you want to video call someone, you can use empathy on a PC and call to the n810 | 22:54 |
| Robot101 | or n800 | 22:54 |
| zakkm | deblet = debian for the NIT's ? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:54 |
| Robot101 | or SIP actually, video calling will work | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | we can't call it that though | 22:55 |
| zakkm | oh | 22:55 |
| zakkm | how well does it work? | 22:55 |
| zakkm | deblet. | 22:55 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m6fc88cf2 | 22:55 |
| zakkm | is it worth while to use epiphany .. instead of the builtin maemo browser? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: anything after that? | 22:56 |
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| zakkm | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/cheese.png , wow it does work : | 22:56 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - nope. just says setting up nit-ev-lxde (1.8)... and then stops | 22:56 |
| zakkm | hey if Cheese shows camera... then cant we just install skype in deblet and do video chat ? or is there not enough cpu power? | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | skype doesn't run in deblet | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | too dependent on maemo | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | cheese just uses same interfaces as all other sane camera apps | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: did you use GTK or Dialog, btw? | 22:57 |
| zakkm | Oh, when i was reading earlier it looked like deblet was a program... | 22:57 |
| zakkm | that runs on top of maemo? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | nop, seperate OS | 22:57 |
| zakkm | so its like dualboot? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:58 |
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| zakkm | cause in a screenshot it showed kde3 as like a program | 22:58 |
| zakkm | like it showed maemo buttons.. and then kde3 | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | it can run different environments | 22:58 |
| zakkm | yeah i realize that | 22:59 |
| zakkm | im just saying i saw kde3 .. | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | maybe easy debian? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait's kde3? | 22:59 |
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| zakkm | maybe | 22:59 |
| zakkm | i dont know | 22:59 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - dialog | 22:59 |
| zakkm | i would like it dualbooted | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: can you do 'debconf-show tablet-user' and put it on a pastebin? | 23:00 |
| zakkm | ah okay it was easy debian | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | remove your password with ****'s | 23:00 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m664bd62d | 23:01 |
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| melmoth | lcuk: got it. The camera did not stop because i was trying to change the pipe status within a pipleine thread context | 23:01 |
| zakkm | Is there any tweaks / speedups .. like using maemo on SD rather than internal memory | 23:01 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 23:01 |
| lcuk | melmoth, at least you know now | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: there's clone to SD | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: well that looks correct | 23:01 |
| zakkm | i might is there any other tweaks / performance increases | 23:02 |
| zakkm | like that | 23:02 |
| zakkm | that i could do | 23:02 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - k. The password omitted. now i didn't put that..I acutally typed a password | 23:02 |
| melmoth | Why did they put this information on Chapter 18 ? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: oh, that's a neat trick :P | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: i think i may have found the problem | 23:03 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - ok....did I do something wrong? | 23:03 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - I did supply a password when it asked | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: nop, my problem | 23:03 |
| zakkm | Is Epiphany in Deblet, quicker than using the builtin Maemo browser? | 23:03 |
| zakkm | performance wise | 23:04 |
| zakkm | opening speed, etc | 23:04 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - is it something you can easily fix? | 23:04 |
| moontiger | laterz guys :) | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: we have something better | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | midori | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's fucking speedy, to swear a little | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | 3x to microb | 23:07 |
| zakkm | I thought it was slow/buggy? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | on maemo | 23:07 |
| zakkm | yeah | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | on deblet it works nicely | 23:07 |
| zakkm | oh you want me to use on deblet? | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | you asked about deblet :) | 23:07 |
| zakkm | i wondering if its worth using deblet. | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | only if you enjoy hacking about and solving things. there's still a bunch of unsolved issues | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | and stuff that isn't complete | 23:08 |
| zakkm | i love Maemo, but if in Deblet everything will be quicker significantly then i may consider | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | to illustrate one problem, without wifi and bluetooth, it dies after 12 hours of idle | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | so :P | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's not directly user friendly atm but quite a curiousity | 23:09 |
| zakkm | I'm no expert in terms of programming, I'm even currently about to drop programming in school ( highschool ) | 23:09 |
| zakkm | but i do like messing with linux stuff | 23:09 |
| zakkm | one of my main reasons i got the n770 ages ago. | 23:09 |
| zakkm | ah. | 23:09 |
| zakkm | This may sound dumb, but the N800 can download as fast as the wifi allows right ? | 23:10 |
| zakkm | My school has a T3 line and i would like to use it for downloading.. ( my house has 1mbit.. ) | 23:10 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - any update on the install issue, or will it take you sometime to fix? | 23:11 |
| whodat | my gawd its taking 20 minutes to get a gps fix on my n810 | 23:11 |
| zakkm | 20min? wouldnt that make it worthless ? | 23:12 |
| Pavlov | the built in gps is bad | 23:12 |
| zakkm | i thought gps takes seconds. | 23:12 |
| Pavlov | i tried using it once driving from my office to work | 23:12 |
| Pavlov | er, to home | 23:12 |
| whodat | yeah i have a bluetooth one too might just use that | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: have to look into it a bit, you sadly need to restart install at that point | 23:12 |
| Pavlov | and it found where i was as i was pulling in to my driveway | 23:13 |
| zakkm | hows youtube playback on the n800 ? | 23:13 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - ok...well just let me know when I can try. Don't want to waste 2 more hours only to find out you haven't had a chance to look at it yet. Thanks | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | cyrus__: yeah, understandable | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | i should really make the installation tests automated | 23:14 |
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| zakkm | is irssi any good on the n800 ? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | i prefer xchat for now even if i'm normally a irssi user | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | cos of the gui + on screen keyboard + word completion | 23:19 |
| zakkm | I just would like to like | 23:19 |
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| zakkm | leave my tablet on this channel lets say | 23:19 |
| melmoth | lcuk: about disabling the led color: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: xchat :P | 23:19 |
| zakkm | and do other stuff.. and generally look at my tablet.. and read | 23:19 |
| zakkm | I wont be typing anything | 23:20 |
| lcuk | lol melmoth ive got rid of it with control panel | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:20 |
| lcuk | it doesnt bother me if im there, it was only spurious "look at me" signals when i was sleeping that annoyed me | 23:20 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: I was just wondering cause if xchat is more cpu intensive... it will take more battery life. | 23:20 |
| zakkm | oh if i were on Canola, watching youtube videos | 23:21 |
| zakkm | how long would my battery life last on N800 ? | 23:21 |
| zakkm | estimate.' | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | constantly? 4 hours i guess :P | 23:21 |
| melmoth | oh, yeah, there is a led something in the control pannel. | 23:21 |
| zakkm | oh cool :) | 23:21 |
| melmoth | Cool. Next thing is to understand how to send file with libsoup in xmlrpc. | 23:23 |
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| zakkm | Is there like a max bandwidth for the N800 over wifi ? | 23:23 |
| zakkm | like a max speed? | 23:23 |
| zakkm | Like it cant take any more? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | i think i've mostly seen 2mb/s or something | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | but that's often more than enough | 23:24 |
| zakkm | k :) | 23:25 |
| zakkm | I would like to use it for uploading, thats why | 23:25 |
| lcuk | zakkm, watyching youtube videos for 4 hours straight is kinda like torture isnt it | 23:25 |
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| zakkm | lol, im just curious about battery life | 23:25 |
| lcuk | i think you will die before the n8x0 | 23:25 |
| zakkm | haha | 23:26 |
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| zakkm | Yeah but if i were to watch a movie, lend to someone to watch a movie | 23:26 |
| zakkm | or something :p | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | scp -c arcfour maxes out at 2 megabytes/sec or so | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | I imagine it'd go faster without encryption | 23:26 |
| zakkm | so 2mbyte/s is max? | 23:26 |
| zakkm | thats okay thats high enough lol | 23:26 |
| lcuk | zakkm, good thinking, kinda like "The Ring" but instead of a VHS tape, its an 810 playing youtube, monsterous pass the parcel - the person who gets it just as the rickroll hits will expire | 23:27 |
| zakkm | Never seen the movie but okay :) | 23:27 |
| zakkm | I personally liked the thumb keyboard on my old n770 | 23:27 |
| zakkm | dont want to buy the N810 | 23:28 |
| lcuk | zakkm, here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | 23:28 |
| zakkm | Oh | 23:29 |
| zakkm | can i use the N800 to print? | 23:29 |
| zakkm | from a networked printer? | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | i believe its been attmptes with success, but its not built in default | 23:29 |
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| zakkm | So thats a yes with some editing/configuring involved? | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, btw, did you get liqbase in extras? before i run apt-get :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, no not yet, few things need doing, liqbase.net has 0.0.4 just updated a few minutes ago | 23:31 |
| zakkm | Also use querty12 speed rotation app. It will give you rotation and speed your Nxx to 400mhz. Hope this helps. <--- found this on forum .. is that for Deblet only or OS2007 ? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | i just had a thought about a few things before announcing | 23:31 |
| GAN800 | karma seems stuck again. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | zakkm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8533.html | 23:32 |
| zakkm | this is 2007.. ;P | 23:33 |
| zakkm | back then FLash 9 wasnt even done :P | 23:33 |
| zakkm | and skype and stuff | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, k, thanks | 23:34 |
| lcuk | so? if it was done back then that generally means it can be done now.. | 23:34 |
| zakkm | they say no. | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, i had an app? :p. lol, jott keeps the rotation + 48 mhz kernel updated for diablo | 23:34 |
| zakkm | oh no | 23:34 |
| lcuk | 48mhz killed my memory card, its not applicable for all | 23:35 |
| zakkm | I dont know, i figured your here so i should ask.. it was on a thread about slow maemo | 23:35 |
| zakkm | what does the 48mhz kernel do exactly? | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~bitchslap shitty python media players | 23:35 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of shitty python media players | 23:35 | |
| zakkm | Oh, does rotation work on the n800 ? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | basically an overclock on the memory interfadce | 23:35 |
| GAN800 | outpo.st/rotate | 23:35 |
| zakkm | so its good to use? | 23:35 |
| zakkm | performance boost? | 23:36 |
| GAN800 | depends on the card | 23:36 |
| lcuk | can be if the memory card supports it, but not all do | 23:36 |
| zakkm | So ill buy a card that does :) | 23:36 |
| GAN800 | For the vast majority of people it'll be a slight boost. | 23:36 |
| GAN800 | For an extremely small minority it'll prevent the card from being used. | 23:36 |
| zakkm | eek | 23:38 |
| zakkm | best not to use then? | 23:38 |
| * qwerty12_N800 had an elcheapo 1gb card which 48mhz kernel didn't work on. got an 8gb card and it works fine | 23:38 | |
| zakkm | I'll be gettting a 2GB card. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | the difference in speed isnt great, get whatever, if it works, great, if not - you wont miss much | 23:41 |
| zakkm | I was planning to use SD instead of internal memory though | 23:41 |
| lcuk | and? same applies | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ie not worth puttin lotsa brainpower into ;) | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: should work now :) sorry, i screwed up, turns out Debian doesn't have a handy /etc/sudoers.d and update-sudoers. | 23:42 |
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