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guillermoknow anybody if exist any GO game app that runs in diablo?00:30
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woglindeguillermo gnugo should be easy to compile00:36
woglindeand run in terminal00:36
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LiraNunaanyone knows the MSRP of the N810 WiMAX?02:07
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mgedminmean sample repeat process... no, my bacronym-generator is unable to cope with MSRP02:15
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lcukperfect!   if the screen is busy scrolling then no sketches are loaded and the list remains where it is upto.  as soon as scrolling stops it loads items in bunches of 503:29
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lcukheh, wrong chan03:29
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lcuklol koyote :) it was meant for elsewhere03:30
koyotei imagine03:30
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AStormcould someone finally fix xournal in diablo extras/extras-devel?05:12
AStormthe version in there doesn't have any working tools and is missing many options (as compared to chinook one)05:12
AStormand crashes too :P05:12
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r2s1in nokia n800 ---canola08:13
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r2s1where can I save local cover art so I can assign them in some songs??08:14
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febbany one here familiar with maemo-mapper ?   I am having troubles dowloading map repositories you know if they are down ?08:15
febbor something changed?08:15
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* vegai booted up his N810 first time in half a year :P09:25
vegainew OS2008 looks fine.09:25
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vegainot many programs in the repos, though...09:36
vegaiah, maemo extras is disabled by default09:37
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Stskeepsgah @ Failed to fetch  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)11:29
Stskeeps(various packages)11:29
qwerty12Lol, you have a dodgy internet connection :p. I just wgetted it from windows (!) fine :P11:30
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Stskeepsyeah, it works again when i restart the process all over11:33
Stskeepsbut it just connects badly occasionally11:33
Stskeepsand that's on a high-speed reliable uni line :P11:33
johnxchange mirrors11:35
johnxdoesn't your school have a local debian mirror?11:35
johnxer, sorry, didn't read11:35
johnxconvince your school to put up a local maemo mirror :)11:35
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Stskeepsi'm trying to hard to steer them onto deblet, so i doubt that'll happen :P11:36
Stskeepsjohnx: i made xscreensaver conflict in latest nit-env-lxde btw (i don't really see a need for a screen saver when the screen already goes blank..11:37
Stskeepsqwerty12: you know anything about oprofile? it has me stumped :P11:37
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Stskeepsjohnx: oh, and add <your username> ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL11:38
qwerty12Stskeeps, No, sorry, never used it. Are you trying to compile your own kernel with it in or something?11:38
Stskeepsto /etc/sudoers with visudo, .. gksudo gets more sane11:38
Stskeepsqwerty12: nop, nokia provides oprofile kernels11:38
johnxStskeeps, good deal. I think that makes sense11:38
Stskeepsi've made tablet-user do this automatically but "old users" need to do it manually :P11:38
qwerty12Stskeeps, I done that as soon as I saw the first gksudo prompt :p11:39
Stskeepsi like that solution cos it tells you it executed something with higher privileges11:40
Stskeeps(admittedly that isn't secure, but still11:40
johnxif someone physically is holding your tablet, they can do anything. this just streamlines the process :)11:41
Stskeepsor sshing in :P but that's another thing11:42
johnxI'm sure there's a good privilege elevation trick or two available from ssh11:46
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johnx(on maemo I mean)11:47
Stskeepsdid you do any kind of screen locking on beta3 btw?11:47
johnxno keyboard :P11:48
Stskeepswell i was talking about maemo-like screen locking, turning off touchscreen input11:48
Stskeepscos deblet isn't very pocket friendly atm11:48
|thunderhey all, is anything on maemo affected by this nokia mini-map exploit ?
johnx|thunder, totally unrelated11:49
qwerty12Lol, if only we had proper webkit...11:50
johnxqwerty12, yeah, touch to scroll is the only thing missing in a webkit browser11:50
johnxor drag to scroll, whatever it is11:50
qwerty12johnx, I don't think we have any recent builds of webkit (although the QT one is probably more newer)11:51
johnxqwerty12, for maemo, no I guess not11:51
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|thunderi highly doubt that would be difficult to implement to a knowledgeable prog'r11:51
johnxqwerty12, it shouldn't be a problem to build though11:51
qwerty12johnx, probably. last time I tried, it failed at linking and seeing as it took a long time to get to that stage, I sure am not trying again11:52
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lcukStskeeps, the touchscreen isnt technically disabled :$ at least not fully, when i was messing with liqbase and removed its bailout on background code it was still running and working when locked.  it was only when i pressed a key i found out it was locked11:56
Stskeepshm, interesting11:57
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johnxlcuk, how were you gathering input? reading the device? or with x11 events?11:57
lcukahm xsp touchscreen input11:58
lcuki think "locked" in the sense of normal programs is simply "x11 wont send events"11:59
* Stskeeps sets out to build nit-env-hildon11:59
|thunderis there an official place to report canola bugs ?12:00
johnx|thunder, they seem to have a bug tracker on their garage page12:01
|thunderok, thanks johnx12:01
johnx(searched: canola bug tracker)12:01
qwerty12~curse Thomson firmware12:02
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Thomson firmware !12:02
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* johnx stabs busybox12:05
qwerty12johnx, the irony, I want to find an exploit to be able to start busybox on this router...12:06
qwerty12And I know it exists in /bin12:06
johnxI only hate it sometimes12:06
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qwerty12Though my sister will stab me if I mess up this router...12:07
johnxusually I don't mind it. I've been using it for years now, on different devices, but every so often I forget its cute little quirks12:07
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* |thunder bought 2 new batterirs for n800 for 10$ with free shipping on eBay, YES !12:08
|thunderreal nokia ones too....   sweet12:08
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johnxI keep looking at that mugen 3.6Ah battery and figuring out if I need it12:09
|thunderis that special or somn'  ?12:10
|thunderer,    different ?12:10
qwerty12~lart every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin12:10
* infobot runs at every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut12:10
johnx2+ times more runtime than a nokia battery and a lot thicker12:10
|thunderif its too much thicker I wont be able to get my case closed, lol12:11
johnxthat's true12:11
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johnxthe normal back cover won't work with it12:11
qwerty12You'll have to use your own magnet or modify ke-recv...12:11
johnxqwerty12, I figure some duct tape, a snoopy fridge magnet, and maybe room for a usb wimax/3g adapter, :)12:12
johnxmaybe add a bottle opener and a flashlight while I'm at it12:12
qwerty12lol, N800 - Swiss Army Knife edition :P12:13
johnxjust the bare necessities12:13
johnxhuh...I could pull the useless camera and put something in that space...12:13
|thunderan IR transmitter would be nice12:14
|thunderid trade that for this shitty camera in a heartbeat12:15
johnxi dunno12:15
johnxIRDA is painfully slow12:15
Stskeeps <- talk about finger friendly hildon..12:15
Stskeeps(set dpi of X to 225.)12:15
|thunderi meant ir for using as a remote control ,   lo12:15
johnxyay...hildon is broken when the x server tells the truth! awesome design!12:16
johnx|thunder, ah, I suppose in bars it would be nice12:16
* johnx stares over at TV gathering dust...12:16
qwerty12Dunno, it's fun to mess up people's games when they are using a slimline ps2... I was once in toys r rus messing up a game with my psp...12:17
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johnxqwerty12, aaah, they have the IR builtin, huh?12:17
qwerty12johnx, yep *grin*12:18
johnxmaybe a detachable WRT-style wifi antenna, connected out the camera port?12:20
Stskeepshm, hildon is still usable at 72dpi12:20
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johnxmy big pet peeve is apps that assume all screens are 96dpi and need to be lied to when that's not true12:21
* qwerty12 sighs at the shitload of GPL violations by Thomson12:22
johnxqwerty12, no source?12:22
Mekmy big pet peeve is hildon/X on maemo not reporting the real DPI...12:22
johnxMek, well you now know the reason it doesn't :)12:23
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Mekyeah, but still it makes writing software that should also work well on non-broken X installs quite hard12:23
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qwerty12johnx, *everything* is shut off on this router. When I telnet in, I get some weird interface that is not a shell etc, when I ftp, I can only go into /dl. I know it's using the linux kernel, it's using the open source p910nd print server, it's using busybox, it's using samba and a whole load of other stuff :/12:24
johnxdefinitely, it's a huge, stupid broken cycle that Nokia should have *stopped* since they decided to basically make their own widget set anyways...12:24
johnxqwerty12, if they provide source, they're not violating the GPL, even if they don't let you get root on it12:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: check if openwrt exists for it?12:25
qwerty12johnx, no source at all. If there was source, it wouldn't take me long at all to add utelnetd into it. Thomson were also using dropbear on it but seem to have removed it12:26
qwerty12Stskeeps, no openwrt for it :(12:26
Stskeepsgot a model number?12:27
qwerty12TG785 v712:27
johnxthat is a seriously unpopular router12:28
qwerty12I'm currently a "root" user on the router after a bit of hacking but I still cannot get into /12:28
qwerty12TG585 sorry12:28
qwerty12johnx, yeah but it's what I got :/12:28
johnxah, lots more popular now that you gave me the right name :)12:29
qwerty12At any rate, it functions faster than my DG834GT (which is GPL compliant)12:29
qwerty12heh :)12:29
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johnxqwerty12, so you have root, but can't trick it into running an arbitrary command?12:31
qwerty12johnx, yep12:31
qwerty12Well, root in the Thomson sense12:31
johnxanyplace where it will list the contents of /dl ?12:31
johnxif so maybe you can put a file up there that has an escape sequence in the name12:32
qwerty12johnx, only via ftp12:32
qwerty12though I can do an ls when I'm connected via ftp and it does mention /bin/ls12:32
Stskeepsqwerty12: could always try the serial port :P12:34
qwerty12Somehow, someone managed to dump their filesystem from another router. I'm currently waiting on my computer to crack the /etc/passwd and seeing if the telnet daemon will accept those user names12:34
Stskeepswhy crackw hen you can add?12:34
Stskeepsjust add another :0 user :P12:34
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah, I don't have a jtag cable currently12:34
qwerty12Stskeeps, I can't, I don't have access to the file system myself :P12:34
Stskeepsqwerty12: some only need a rs232 from old mobo :P12:34
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johnxqwerty12, does it have some functionality for installing firmware updates?12:36
qwerty12johnx, yes, but only via a windows program12:36
johnxqwerty12, well, sniff it :)12:37
johnxmaybe it does something really dumb, like upload a *special* filename to /dl via ftp12:37
qwerty12That's a nice idea, thanks! I'll have to find the o2 firmware first though :)12:38
johnxjust think "If I was being forced to make a half-assed linux-based router, what easy shortcuts would I take?"12:38
lcukStskeeps, with deblet, how does it handle hildonized apps? do they run12:39
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qwerty12johnx, interesting, running :config save filename=whatever, produces a file called /dl/whatever. I'll see if I can do that from the web interface and try some url injection or something12:41
johnxqwerty12, be careful not to brick it if it isn't yours :P12:42
qwerty12johnx, yeah :D. O2 will screw at my sister and my sister will throw bricks at me :P. Though so far, with the web interface and their shell, I can't do much. I have to admit though, I am liking the features on this router. I'm tempted to buy an high end Speedtouch sometime and JTAG it12:43
johnxwhat features specifically?12:44
johnxjust that it's fast?12:44
qwerty12I like that it comes with SNMP :). For my DG834GT, I had to compile net-snmp manually and add snmpd into my "custom" firmware and code a dirty and quick cgi in C++ to link snmp settings to nvram12:44
qwerty12It's also reliable and has stuff like ipqos which isn't bad for a home router12:45
johnxah, that's why I stick to really well supported routers, like WRTs12:45
Stskeepslcuk: really depends if they use GTK extensions or not..12:45
Stskeeps(.. stolen, obviously)12:45
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johnxfor some reason rc.local isn't getting run I think in deblet12:53
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johnxI added a couple lines to rc.local, but I think they aren't being run12:55
johnxif I run /etc/rc.local it appears to work fine12:56
Stskeepsthat's odd12:56
johnxI'll confirm in a sec12:56
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johnxStskeeps, ha! got it. don't install mpd :)13:03
johnxthat's my lesson of the day13:04
qwerty12Aww :(. Looks like I may have to switch to xmms2 instead in deblet :P13:04
johnxqwerty12, I just need to figure out why it won't fork13:04
johnxit stalled and nothing after it in rc2.d/ got run...13:05
qwerty12The debian maintainer got a little excited on the init script... I made a version for the latest mpd that uses a more relaxed init script but still has the same checks and features. I'd give it you but it was on my tablet before I reflashed :(13:06
johnxno worries, I think it's cause mpd isn't configured and is probably trying to open some sound output that isn't there13:07
Stskeepswe have custom mpd in repo13:07
Stskeepsso just fix it13:07
johnxcustome mpd? eh?13:07
johnxis the source hacked, or just the config?13:08
Stskeepsmm, debian package wrappings i think13:09
Stskeepsi dunno, think it's a deb level hack he did13:09
Stskeeps(i added all of fatalsaint's packages when starting the repo)13:09
johnxah, ok13:10
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Stskeepsnokia oddity of the day - requiring building their packages in .. scratchbox14:05
johnxthey won't build outside sb?14:05
johnxthat's pretty ... special14:05
Stskeepsit referred to /targets.14:06
Stskeepsi'm starting to realize why hildon adaptation in distros isn't that high14:06
AStormyeah, I tried to build a package somewhere else, only to fail :>14:07
* johnx sighs14:07
Stskeepsi for one welcome our AI overlords to solve these bloody things once and for all.14:08
johnxNokia, why you always gotta make me hit you?14:09
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johnxof all my devices, the n800 wins hands down for easiest and most fun to reset when it hangs14:13
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Stskeepsn810 rocks for popping battery :P14:15
Stskeeps.. when you get the cover off14:15
johnxcover comes right off on the n800, then I just smack it to get the battery out14:15
johnxI really enjoy it when I can *hit* a device for failing me (hanging)14:16
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Stskeepsjohnx: what's the usual reason for things not embedding into hildon space? not hildonized or? :P14:20
Stskeepslike, putting itself nicely in14:20
johnxah, you mean like the right border?14:20
Stskeepswell like that it doesn't embed itself nicely into the work areas :P14:20
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johnxhow non-hildon apps tend to extend all the way to the edge?14:21
johnxyeah, 90% sure that's cause they're not hildonized14:22
* Stskeeps wonders htf he made xterm put in the right place before then14:22
johnxbut different hildon themes have different sized borders, so if you select your theme properly it might be possible to just workaround, ie have everything extend that far14:22
AStormwhy would we need such extensive work on it anyway?14:23
AStormsmells of design failure14:23
johnxAStorm, hildon? yes. I'm starting to miss qtopia14:23
johnxand that's a bad sign14:23
AStormwell, gtk should properly size window to fit14:23
johnxand if the wm wants a window in a certain place it should override it14:24
AStormmenus should be automatically converted14:24
AStormjohnx: yes, exactly14:24
AStormit can do that14:24
AStormthen, the only things would be modding interfaces to conform to 700x350 resolution14:25
johnxbut now we have a lot of nice hildon apps, and it's a shame to just dump them and try and convince people to use "bob's new mobile desktop toolkit"14:25
AStormworking with input method more low-level should be easier too14:25
johnxAStorm, as a gtk input method? or as X11 events?14:25
johnxheck, either one14:25
AStorme.g. have some "show it" message14:25
AStormX events are more generic14:25
AStormactually, two messages, one "show it and resize main window" (default) and "show it overlapping"14:26
AStormnext should be "hide it"14:26
AStormit's currently fairly impossible to use it from anything else than gtk (even in qt it's broken - I'm sure it's being worked on)14:27
Stskeepsjohnx: i'm definately having an uphill battle with hildon14:27
* Stskeeps wonders how many maemo apps that could run easily on normal gtk.14:27
johnxStskeeps, well, that's the *other* reason I changed course from beta2 to beta314:28
AStormthe "context" stuff is far too precise14:28
johnxStskeeps, de-hildonizing :D14:28
AStormwhy the hell we need this context? let the toolkit manage it14:28
Stskeepsjohnx: well, noone says they can't use hildon, but i wonder how libhildon acts when outside hildon..14:28
AStormit works14:29
AStormbut isn't any different from gtk, so nobody sane uses it ;P14:29
AStormit's more work for the same result14:29
AStormbtw, do we have Python hildon bindings?14:29
johnxStskeeps, also, some apps behave strangely when they have a normal window manager14:30
Stskeepseasy to get14:30
Stskeepsjohnx: examples?14:30
AStormbroken I guess ;P14:30
AStormit tries to outsmart the WM?14:30
johnxnah, it just relies on the wm to pick a window size14:31
AStormthis should be ok14:31
johnxso you get this little 60x30 (or whatever) pixel window14:31
AStormthat's a WM bug14:31
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AStormor maybe it should provide a better size hint14:31
johnxAStorm, then it's a consistent wm bug in like 5 mainstream wms14:31
AStormok, then it's probably modest providing bad size hints ;P14:32
AStormit should either give 0,0 (means: WM's default) or something meaningful14:32
AStormmaybe someone ate two trailing zeros ;P14:33
AStormand it was supposed to be 600x30014:33
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johnxit's something small, I'd have to see exactly what it is again if you're interested14:34
AStormnah, not interested enough14:34
AStormI have another app to write myself14:34
AStormand a hildon-im provider too14:34
AStormalso, I noticed that fn+space bound to tab produces a weird character14:36
AStormI mean, a tab with some weird modifier14:36
AStorm(noticed by Qt)14:37
johnxon the one hand, Nokia really did put together a good user experience. on the other, sometimes it makes me crazy...14:37
Stskeepsjohnx: seems like ubuntu is really the foremost on hildon packages cos they actually use them :P14:38
johnx...and now I rendered my deblet install unbootable14:38
Stskeepsusbnet still off?14:38
johnxStskeeps, yeah, cause I decided I needed a physical keyboard14:38
johnxheh...jokes on me :)14:38
Stskeeps <- i should really get around to implementing this14:39
johnxyour own flash video site, with long buffering times and patchy playback? :P14:40
AStormI'm actually rewriting epitext, which drove me mad a bit ;P14:40
Stskeepsjohnx: nah, deblet rescue menu14:40
johnxyeah, that'd be pretty neat.14:42
Stskeepswonder where i put the code..14:42
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Stskeeps <- the code is actually really simple14:45
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konttori__Hey, why cannot I download the diablo image with my very valid id number?16:00
konttori__(if anyone knows alternative dl location than nokia official, that would be appreciated16:00
konttori__Official being:
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konttori__hmmm no-one around.16:04
aquatixkonttori__: does it reject your number?16:05
konttori__Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code.16:05
konttori__and this is my home n810 that is really an official n810 and not some weird proto16:06
Stskeepskonttori__: could always try the windows flasher one (thread on ITT i think)16:09
konttori__True. Perhaps I'll boot to windows today16:11
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thopiekarhi @ all... could someone please tell me howto edit the homepage?16:49
thopiekar... the html files not the adress..16:49
whodatwhats the difference between internal memory and internal card as far as where things get installed to when using the application manager?16:49
Mekthopiekar: editing the page for your project?16:50
Mekthopiekar: commit to www in your svn repository for the project16:50
thopiekarsvn? isn't garage using cvs?16:51
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StskeepsGAN800: when booting deblet on beagle back then, did you see splash/console btw?17:22
Stskeepsjust curious17:22
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lcukcrashanddie, HAS YOUR HANGOVER GONE YET?18:47
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RST38hWhat is it with those job opportunity scams nowadays?18:53
RST38hI am now getting 5-10 different ones in a row18:53
lcukRST38h, consider yourself lucky19:02
* qwerty12 has never found receiving scam posts to be a sign of luck :)19:03
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* Stskeeps ponders pros and cons of buying pizza tonight19:17
qwerty12There's cons?!?19:17
ShadowJK_lost time and money?19:18
MangoFusionby the time you figure that all out, you might as well have just got the pizza19:18
lcukget a bacon topping and make it a double plus good19:18
Stskeepswell i either have to defrost stuff or wait an hour.. hmm :P19:18
* qwerty12 was a greedy shit last night... chicken burger, chicken wings and 2 bags of chips >.<. In my defense, I'd only asked for one bag of chips19:19
lcukmy mate once got in trouble after a night of heavy drinking (we were practically chased out of the chippy).  he ordered *a* sausage, she heard it as *8* sausages and she dutyfully wrapped them for him (who was leaning heavily on the counter watching it all) when she put em on the counter and asked for money he almost fell over19:20
lcukhe never went in there again19:21
Stskeepsmm, sausages19:22
whodatdoes the package manager install packages to internal memory, internal card, or external card?19:25
qwerty12internal memory. If you want to install to an external/internal card, clone the os to a card19:26
infobotit has been said that boot-sd is
whodatso .. the cards have way more memory, but you cant install stuff to them without cloning the entire os?19:29
* Stskeeps went for the pizza.19:30
qwerty12Congrats? :P19:30
Stskeepsyup. :>19:30
lcukStskeeps, which pizza distro did you choose?19:31
Stskeepsfor tomorrow, olives, artiskok (?), tomato, cheese, chicken and onion, and today, a calzone with mushrooms, cheese, ham, shrimps and tomato :P19:32
RST38h#define M_MULFLAGS(R,D) \19:32
RST38h          | (D? 0:Z_FLAG) \19:32
RST38h          | (D&N_FLAG)19:32
RST38hOh shit, wrong window19:32
lcukheh RST38h19:33
qwerty12if I was in US, I'd be tempted to compile : and try ordering from my N800 :P19:33
* lcuk did that last night19:33
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qwerty12lcuk: with your acmonitor cpu speed mod, did you have to do any tricks to get it to change the speed or does acmonitor run as root automatically? I just did a very quick mod to acmonitor to achieve the same as what you did with yours19:53
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lcuknothing odd, just inserted the cpufreq code i used to use in liqbase (now replaced by 3 simple scripts which are called with sudo ..)19:54
lcuki thought it was some kind of kernal module anyway19:54
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qwerty12Thanks :), I just added in a quick system(... to where it detects if the charger is connected or not19:55
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qwerty12Nah, you have to be root to write to the sysfs entry19:55
lcukyer and if its a kernel mod thats assumed19:56
lcuki never gave it a second thought tbh lol - it talks to the system and works with it, its gotta have access already19:57
qwerty12True :). I have a feeling it runs as root anyway as it's started by init19:57
qwerty12make compiled it fine anyway, I'll package it when I buy yet another charger19:58
qwerty12s/make/gcc I guess19:58
lcukheh you arent having much luck with chargers19:58
qwerty12I know! I swear, if my next one is messed, I'm just gonna swap it with my brothers...19:59
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cyrus__Stskeeps r u there20:11
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Stskeepscyrus__: mm?20:13
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cyrus__got a question about deblet.does italychange anything about the base os. Like kernel or startup scripts. Or is it pretty segregated if u install on internal flash20:15
Stskeepscyrus__: if it changes anything in maemo, you mean? no, don't change any kernel stuff or startup scripts, except for bootmenu which alters initfs20:16
Stskeepsdeblet isn't suited for internal flash however just right now20:16
Stskeepsdeblet does ofcourse alter debian base OS on it's own installation, but yeah20:16
cyrus__Why isnt it good for internal flash20:17
Stskeepsbecause we don't really fit in 256m :) i don't mean internal memory card, i mean internal flash20:17
cyrus__thank you.20:17
Stskeepswhy'd you ask, - just curious?20:18
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cyrus__Just wondering. I tried to install xfce which i thought just installed on the sd card but when i rebooted maemo would not start20:19
cyrus__So deblet just modifies initfs to provide the boot option and then it boots of wherever u installed it, right20:20
lcukStskeeps, with liqbase have you noticed this corruption thing20:21
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Stskeepscyrus__: yeah, and allowing to boot other things too20:22
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cyrus__Thanks for the info20:24
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kkrustyis it theoretically possible for the n8x0 to as a bluetooth headset?20:26
Stskeepscyrus__: so you tried to install xfce inside maemo?20:26
cyrus__ya. Did not work20:26
cyrus__When i ran it nothing happened20:26
Stskeepsyeah.. it's not a trivial thing to do20:27
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cyrus__And when i rebooted half the screen came up with half the splash still showing20:27
Stskeepswhich is why there's a need for stuff like deblet20:27
cyrus__How is the speed of deblet20:28
cyrus__Is there an app like canola and a gps app20:28
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Stskeepshehe.. i don't own a n810 but you're welcome to work on getting gpsdriver going on deblet :)20:29
Stskeepswe have the advantage of a lot of debian applications20:29
Stskeepsso what exists on debian on normal desktop machines, we have20:29
Stskeepswhat exists on maemo we don't always have20:29
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cyrus__how do u port to deblet. Is there a doc out there or an sdk20:33
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Stskeepsit's basically a normal debian linux20:33
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Stskeepsso you can do two things, compile on tablet yourself, or compile in a qemu20:34
Stskeepsi use myself as a qemu image20:34
Stskeepsall the development tools are availiable in both20:34
Stskeepswe don't have a scratchbox (yet) sadly, even though it could be useful occasionally20:34
cyrus__alright. I think the info i got so far will keep me busy for a few days. Later20:36
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Stskeepsmm. calzone <320:37
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ShadowJK_the evil twins?20:39
Stskeeps@ itt: "i installed android on my 770 and it fucked up and i sent it to nokia. nokia, man yourself up and answer these basic things!"20:39
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dick-richardsonas in the Google OS?20:46
kpeli don't know what's the name of whatever these people smoke but i'd like to know where can i find it and how much does it cost.20:47
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GNUtonhi there20:50
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RST38hMoo, gnuton21:00
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RST38hGNUton: Your latest maemo mapper .deb installs .desktop and .service files into /21:00
ShadowJK_I just updated that today :P21:01
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GNUtonRST38h: I'm not a developer of maemo mapper! :P21:10
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Stskeepsgnuton vs gnuite, heh21:14
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GNUtonStskeeps: :D I'm more strong than him! Thus I win!22:00
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lcukcould this be the next in a long line of linux grudge matchs?22:01
lcukin the red corner, bringing to the arena the whole world in his hands, gnuite.  in the blue corner, bringing the world+kitchensinkwidget+severalgigs of ui, gnuton.     the question is, which takes up more server space ... google earth or qt dev folder :P22:02
* GNUton are eating a chocolate cake... MmMMMm22:06
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RST38hKILL, my little penguins, KILL22:13
Stskeepsokay, bluetooth PAN is bloody easy22:14
Stskeepshcitool scan, pand --connect <mac> --service nap, dhclient bnep022:14
lcukStskeeps, really easy if you like remembing long little text lines, but people want big shiney buttons22:18
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lcuki could never remember somethin like that22:18
lcukits hard enough to recall the path to my dev folder22:18
Stskeepslcuk: .. yeah, i'm starting to realize that after
lcukwould be nice if you had a quick front end for all these kind of little scripts and commands ;)22:21
Stskeepsyeah, that's where i hoped other people would come in and help out :P22:21
lcukis there any way to get sound workin by the way, or is it just unloved and in need of similar script magic tlc22:21
lcukthe desktop manager you are using, it has a menu structure doesnt it22:22
Stskeepsi think it's a typo in a script to be honest22:22
lcukjust like hildon menus22:22
Stskeepsyeah, start menu22:22
lcukmmmm actually22:22
lcuki could do it here22:22
lcuki wonder what would happen if i put the hildon app menu into liqbase ;)22:22
Stskeepsi did 60+ conversions of .deb -> debian source packages so something was bound to fuck up :)22:23
lcukie used their contents but my frontend22:23
Stskeepsnot difficult22:23
lcukno, not really at all, its just a thought anyway22:23
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lcukso you need to find an audiophile deblet loving hacker to see what magic you spilt on the worktop whilst converting22:24
lcukand a bluetooth guru22:24
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Stskeepsokay, pand --search is a funny command22:28
Stskeepssearch all PAN devices and ask if it can connect22:28
* Stskeeps ponders if that could be fun at a railway station..22:29
lcukclick icon, run pand, parse results, show dialog, profit22:29
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lcuklol Stskeeps i have considered making a bluetooth radar22:30
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lcuknow ive got multiple devices and a network connection it might actually be practical22:30
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lcukhave both machines doing scans and get them to compare results, the scans return approx signal strength so location can be determined (with 2 roots of course, but your fixed location can ensure you select the correct one)22:31
lcukfull ping scan takes about 10seconds per cycle, so not great resolution, but fun all the same22:32
Stskeepshehe. i worked with positioning for 2 years in a research project and got a research article in the belt22:34
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* lcuk tips hat to you :)22:37
Stskeepsbut yeah, i've considered some home positioning too22:37
Stskeepsmy signal strength on my tablet seems to vary enough to give results22:38
lcukyer, and for added "fun" we make it look like an aliens scanner or a tricorder ;)22:38
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* RST38h did some positioning work too22:45
RST38hDoes not work very well, in a general case22:45
Stskeepswell, depends on the method, equipment, if you use heterogenous devices or not.. etc22:48
Stskeepsthere's some impressive stuff out there but the technology needs improving22:48
lcukheh, its still gonna be good enough for playing "find my phone"22:50
RST38hwe tried triangulation and fingerprinting22:50
lcuk"beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep"22:50
lcukyoungest is always leavin his in odd palces22:51
RST38htriangulation worked badly, especially considering that Prism "signal strength" readout is actually an SNR value computed by a weird scheme22:51
RST38hfingerprinting worked better but required labor-intensive mapping process22:51
StskeepsRST38h: i spent most of those 2 hours collecting fingerprints.22:52
Stskeepsrest of the time coding22:52
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t_s_oon the topic of pand and scanning, iirc there was something that went the round when bluetooth devices where less common, something about sending small messages or similar to random devices within range22:56
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Stskeepst_s_o: i've had strangers send me jpg (didn't accept) too :P in busses23:00
t_s_oyep, thats the kind of stuff23:02
t_s_oiirc, if you send the phones vcard the name field would show up on most screens independent of the owner accepting or not. so if you wrote something other then your own name... ;)23:03
Stskeepsyeah :P23:04
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Stskeepswow, midori is speedy23:22
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derfIs it also green?23:22
Stskeeps.. green?23:23
derf"Midori" means "green" in Japanese.23:23
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RST38hdoes it crash?23:25
Stskeepsi'm running google maps on it so far, and no yet23:26
Stskeeps(this is midori on deblet, though)23:26
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Mace`sanctuary is an awesome show23:36
Mace`they'll probably cancel it like firefly23:36
Mace`how the hell could they cancel firefly when it was such an awesome show :)23:36
RST38hwhat is it about?23:37
StskeepsMace`: did you have bluetooth DUN/PAN problems btw?23:37
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lcukMace`, santuary started as a webshow didnt it23:38
lcukless chance it will be cancelled because i dont tihnk its at the behest of a large studio for financing23:38
* RST38h found it. The description does not sound all that exciting 23:39
RST38hWill try and download a few episodes though23:39
Mace`lcuk - yes it did23:39
Mace`the webisodes were better than the tv version ;)23:39
Mace`but the tv version obviously has backing.. the cg is better23:40
Mace`Stskeeps - i really haven't worked on it much to tell you the truth23:40
StskeepsMace`: hehe, okay, see my deblet hack challenges post about PAN at some point.. i hope that solves some people's problems :P23:40
lcukif done carefully, the backing can go to improving aspects without those aspects effecting the day to day running costs23:40
Mace`i was about to get pand working but i haven't had time to get it going .. have been busy this week moving my money around23:40
Mace`yeah? where is it?23:41
StskeepsMangoFusion: well PAN to cellphone, i can do it atleast23:41
Mace`3G uses pand i'm guessing?23:41
Stskeepswell, my sony ericsson k610i does it :P23:41
Mace`Stskeeps - that almost seems too easty to work ;)23:42
StskeepsMace`: yes, i was surprised too23:43
Mace`i'll try it out today or tomorrow though23:43
Mace`with my n95 and att23:43
Mace`the problem i would have though.. woudl be how it picks up the access point23:43
Mace`att has 2 types off connections.. 1 is if you pay for the "tethering/laptop" plan and the other one is media net23:43
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Mace`media net is proxied and throttled23:44
Mace`if you use it to connect to something other than what they want you to see (ie. places to buy things from people that pay att to put ads)23:44
Mace`then it stops at around 5MB and completely disconnects23:44
Mace`but i'll try it out when i get the chance and tell you how it goes ... i love deblet because the iceweasel stuff works with my zimbra server in ajax mode ;)23:46
Stskeepsdid you try midlet?23:48
Stskeepsthat thing is amazing :P23:48
Stskeeps.. enough with the -let names, sts..23:48
Mace`johnx said to try it out but i haven't yet23:48
Mace`since iceweasel worked right off the bat23:48
Stskeepswebkit browser, it's faster than microb23:48
Mace`microb didn't render zimbra correctly23:48
Mace`they have midori for maemo?23:49
Mace`i'm thinking it's a webkit problem because safari on my mac doesn't render certain things correctly either23:49
Mace`and i'm pretty sure safari is webkit based23:49
Mace`audacious sigfaults in deblet ;)23:50
Mace`getting rid of the iceweasel smartbar shit was good too23:51
Mace`that is incredibly annoying on an n800.. i'm sure it's not as annoying on an n810 since you get a qwerty :) i think i'm going to buy one this week or next week23:51
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Mace`i'll give my n800 to my father so he can hook it up to his krzr and use the yahoo fantasy football crap while he's at work23:52
Mace`they blocked yahoo fantasy football at his job because some jackass got caught 3 times making trades instead of doing his job :)23:52
Stskeepsmidori for maemo is broken afaik23:52
BULLE_Mace`: perhaps a hint that your father should take, eg, do work not play games, at worktime, atleast if he likes his job and want to keep it ?23:53
Mace`yeah. he's been there for over 35 years and is already vested23:53
BULLE_35 years is quite some time23:54
Mace`yes it is... he could probably beat a supervisor half to death and they would fire the supervisor23:54
Mace`if he were to lose his job.. it would have to be for something far more than checking on his fantasy football :)23:54
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Mace`it would be like apple getting rid of jobs right after he decided to come up with the ipod23:55
Mace`the other guy who got caught was there for less than a year23:56
Mace`and did not understand the need to establish one's self in a company23:56
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Mace`so since he messed it up for others that are in the same league... i want to get myself an n810 and give my father the n800 so he can still do stuff to his team while at work.. it would be a good advantage23:57

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