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| nelson | hmmm.... is Nokia not making the n800 anymore? | 00:04 |
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| nelson | can't find anybody selling it anymore. | 00:05 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 00:05 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:06 |
| rdorsch | Hello, does diablo have built-in support for ext3, i.e. when I format my sdcard with ext3 will diablo recognize the card? | 00:06 |
| jiiv | rdorsch: i'm not positive; you may have to install extfs-tools or something. | 00:07 |
| jiiv | i _believe_ you can mount ext3 by default (but not create filesystems), but i could be mistaken. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, the ext3 modules are on the initfs. | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need to be sure they're loaded, though. | 00:08 |
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| GNUton | nelson: I guess you can buy N800 from the italian nokia shop | 00:09 |
| GNUton | nelson: but obviously you need to stay in italy to buy them... | 00:09 |
| GNUton | :P | 00:09 |
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| rdorsch | Seems that https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2 is gone. | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 00:13 |
| infobot | boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 00:13 |
| rdorsch | Google still has the data though: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:4XXdiBE_xakJ:https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2+ext2+maemo+mmc&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=de | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The data moved. | 00:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you see Mariu's posting to -users? | 00:15 |
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| arachnist | is it just me, or is maemo.org down? | 00:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wiki and bugzilla seemed to be working a few minutes ago. | 00:16 |
| hrw | someone here uses rpm based distro? | 00:20 |
| hrw | "rpm --install pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm" says "package pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm is intended for a linux operating system" but not install it - why? | 00:20 |
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| crashanddie | /usr/include/libpng12/pngconf.h:310:2: #error png.h already includes setjmp.h with some additional fixup. | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | Anyone know about this? | 00:21 |
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| ProaKa_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7762892/ | 00:27 |
| ProaKa_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7762892/ | 00:27 |
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| cobalto | crashanddie, when you have this error? | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | cobalto, when I do #include <png.h> | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | cobalto, I think I fixed it | 00:31 |
| cobalto | ok | 00:31 |
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| lardman | evening | 00:45 |
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| rm_you| | jott, on that debian usb thing i was messing with, did you set up the xsession / xinit stuff? | 01:14 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade, around? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | who here is good with svn? :-° | 01:26 |
| rm_you| | what you need to know? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | I'm trying to fix the liqbase repo | 01:27 |
| rm_you| | <_< | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we need to work on our wiki page. | 01:27 |
| rm_you| | what is broken about it | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase | 01:27 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: how so? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, everything is in the root, we can't create branches | 01:27 |
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| rm_you| | oh. | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | just make a directory called trunk | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | and svn mv everything in there | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | and commit <_< | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mission, roadmap, and figuring out the election stuff. | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | well | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, it yells | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | make trunk/ first, add it, commit | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor lcuk. | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | then mv, then commit | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | ok | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | will try | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | yeah it would yell | 01:28 |
| rm_you| | we had the same issue with ABL | 01:28 |
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| rm_you| | it was kind of bleh | 01:29 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes, fair enough | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, you guys need to blog, too. :P | 01:29 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I've been away, or at least not near a computer | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | rm_you|, how do i commit to the svn repo? :-° | 01:30 |
| * crashanddie hates svn | 01:30 | |
| rm_you| | svn ci -m "fixing the repo" | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | <3 git | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | ci? | 01:30 |
| rm_you| | yes | 01:30 |
| rm_you| | short for checkin | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | ok | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't hate what you don't understand. :D | 01:31 |
| lardman | I also hate blogging | 01:31 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Blogging takes away from actually being productive. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, blogging is part of being productive for the council. :) | 01:31 |
| lardman | I, for one, would be happy with the chairman issuing progress blogs ;) | 01:32 |
| rm_you| | crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OwXcFWu ? | 01:33 |
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| crashanddie | rm_you|, trying... I managed to commit the trunk/ | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | but with svn mv * trunk/ I get: svn: Client error in parsing arguments | 01:33 |
| rm_you| | .... | 01:34 |
| rm_you| | try moving the files one at a time | 01:34 |
| rm_you| | you might need to <_< | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | cock | 01:34 |
| rm_you| | i think SVN may be kind of borken in that way | 01:34 |
| rm_you| | bleh | 01:34 |
| * crashanddie reiterates: he hates svn | 01:34 | |
| derf | for i in * ; do svn mv "$i" trunk/ ; done | 01:34 |
| rm_you| | that annoyed me a bit | 01:34 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: just kidding really, not sure there's much to blog about atm though - there's the ongoing talk about maemo.org design, I throw in my 2p's worth, but it's not my field really | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, tim or Jaffa should hit on that one. But speaking generally. ;) | 01:37 |
| lardman | I know, but as I am usually around here, I hope people are getting their money's worth at least | 01:38 |
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| derf | Just dump lardman's IRC logs onto a web page and call it a blog. | 01:39 |
| lardman | give that man a cigar! | 01:39 |
| lardman | :) | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Expect thumbs. :D | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also note, blog karma hasn't been patched yet. :P | 01:40 |
| lardman | yeah, well I would really prefer to do or talk to people rather than write about stuff, not to bothered about the karam (though /me wonders if he still has 8 discussion karma points :) ) | 01:42 |
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| lardman | yes, still up there in the top league :D | 01:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, just be glad you're not zeenix. ;) | 01:45 |
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| * lardman waits for maemo.org to load zeenix's page | 01:46 | |
| lardman | and continues waiting.... | 01:46 |
| lardman | and goes to get a drink lest he dies of dehydration during the wait | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, more fun: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3767 | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | rm_you|, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase <-- does this look okay? | 01:47 |
| lardman | owch, poor zeenix's blog karma | 01:48 |
| lardman | re my comment about limiting the nagative karma from a given group | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, it's what he gets for blogging about Finnish summer cottages. ;) | 01:49 |
| rm_you| | yep | 01:49 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes, I quite agree with that; off topic should get thumbs down | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary's got a patch, anyway. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just needs to be pushed with the next update. | 01:49 |
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| lardman | however crap blogging shouldn't take away from good bugzilla/project/(dare I say) mailing list posts (not that they apparently count much these days ;)) | 01:50 |
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| dick-richardson | you know that little willie won't go home song? | 01:53 |
| lardman | no | 01:55 |
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| * lardman puts on his council hat and walks amongst the electorate | 01:56 | |
| lardman | :) | 01:56 |
| lardman | where do I find the value of NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW ? | 01:57 |
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| derf | It's 4. | 01:58 |
| lardman | hmm, so what does a status of 4 mean? | 01:59 |
| derf | Gekk if I know. | 01:59 |
| lardman | http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php for the lurkers | 01:59 |
| derf | That was just in the first Google result. | 01:59 |
| lardman | ah ok :) | 01:59 |
| derf | define('NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW', 4); | 01:59 |
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| lardman | $this->_config->get('karma_discussion_badpost_modifier') is the other interesting value (from my point of view anyway) | 02:00 |
| lardman | 'karma_discussion_badpost_modifier' => -1, from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/config/config.inc | 02:03 |
| lardman | ah, so from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nemein.discussion/midcom/interfaces.php we can see what the NEW business is all about | 02:05 |
| lardman | now, where do I find out if my old posts have been rated as <4 ? | 02:05 |
| bef0rd | <3 | 02:09 |
| lardman | <3? | 02:09 |
| derf | Haha. | 02:10 |
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| crashanddie | dholbert, SATAN! | 02:12 |
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| dholbert | ?? | 02:13 |
| dick-richardson | he's right, dholbert | 02:14 |
| dholbert | :( | 02:14 |
| dick-richardson | I didn't want to say anything, but we've all known | 02:14 |
| GAN800 | Welcome to insanity later. | 02:14 |
| lardman | GAN800: do we transition from the drunk Eurpoeans to the drunk Americans at some point? :) | 02:15 |
| lardman | probably still sober Americans at this point | 02:15 |
| lardman | :) | 02:15 |
| GAN800 | Not unless you're buying. | 02:15 |
| lardman | lol | 02:15 |
| dholbert | d'oh... /me tried to change nick to SANTA, but it's already in use | 02:15 |
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| lardman | yeah, pop over, should be a few bars open at just after midnight :) | 02:16 |
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| GAN800 | Sadly the stopped flying the Concorde. :( | 02:16 |
| lardman | would make for an expensive beer! | 02:17 |
| derf | They've got one in a hangar over at Dulles. | 02:18 |
| derf | You could always go steal it. | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | how come the nightly svn tarballs don't work? | 02:18 |
| lardman | crashanddie: not implemented | 02:19 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 02:19 |
| derf | Though it's in the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Annex to the National Air and Space Museum, so it might not be in flyable condition. | 02:19 |
| crashanddie | well, even "good" concordes tend to crash a bit :P | 02:19 |
| derf | Just don't drop pieces of landing gear on the runway before takeoff. | 02:20 |
| derf | Though, if you could find the fuel for it, I'd take the SR-71 that's there instead. | 02:20 |
| derf | But they had to be refueld in the air immediately after takeoff, so probably not practical. | 02:21 |
| lardman | depends on the take off run I thought, should still be doable | 02:21 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 02:21 |
| lardman | just remember keas around 350knots all the way | 02:22 |
| derf | Well, they a) leak fuel like a sieve when not flying at supersonic speeds and b) they had stability problems when taking off with a full tank. | 02:22 |
| lardman | ah, might be troublesome then :) | 02:23 |
| lardman | right, on the assumption that the General won't be turning up in a couple of hours, I'm going to hit the sack | 02:24 |
| lardman | night all | 02:24 |
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| dick-richardson | I have never had a much trouble with any peice of software on any platform as I do with Amarok | 03:49 |
| dick-richardson | Even so far as to run a complete mysql database for it, but it's still no good | 03:49 |
| arachnist | i have never seen any good music players, on any platform, aside from amarok-1.4.x (2.x is rubbish) and xmms2 | 03:50 |
| arachnist | and using amarok with mysql doesn't improve things | 03:50 |
| dick-richardson | I'm using 1.4.9 but in kde 4 - which is what I think the problem is | 03:50 |
| arachnist | using it with postgres *might* improve speed if you have a >=100GB music collection | 03:51 |
| dick-richardson | I'm not even touching 20GB | 03:51 |
| arachnist | so there's no point in using anything but sqlite in your case | 03:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What in the world is up with the guy on -developers stealing the community edition idea? :\ | 03:53 |
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| whodat | having trouble getting sip working on n810, anyone else use it? | 04:23 |
| bef0rd | nop | 04:23 |
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| bef0rd | There are some additional profiles available with rtcomm beta, but, what service are you using? | 04:26 |
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| |thunder | i think by using it it breaks other protocols though | 04:40 |
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| yigal | I am trying to remove tetex-base but am getting this error "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory" in fact there are no scripts at all in /var/lib/dpkg/info for this package can anyone help? | 10:37 |
| yigal | maybe I can just "touch filename"? | 10:38 |
| yigal | no this is not a solution | 10:40 |
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| yigal | any hint would be nice | 10:47 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: can i mount another sd card to deblet? what about flash disk? | 10:50 |
| yigal | ok, so a little lower level dpkg work was all it takes, "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove tetex-base" | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | thux: yes | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | 'ello | 11:05 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: is there any howtos or docs about mounting and usb-networking etc on deblet? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | thux: usb networking is simple, usbnet is already set up with ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 11:08 |
| thux | ok | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | so add your default gateway and resolv configuration, - better yet, edit /etc/network/interfaces | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | mounting is mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk<whatever>p<whatever> /where/you/want/it :P | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | it is the same as on every other debian | 11:09 |
| thux | Stskeeps: and flash disk? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | usb or? | 11:10 |
| thux | deblet | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | you can't obviously do usb host and networking at same time :) if that's what you're asking | 11:10 |
| thux | no howto mount flash disk where is diablo to deblet | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | look in /mnt/rootfs | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's already mounted | 11:11 |
| thux | ok | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | next time say internal flash :) | 11:11 |
| thux | one more question | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | there's no moving parts, so | 11:11 |
| thux | how to change nit-envs if want gnome-basic instead lxde? | 11:12 |
| thux | both are installed | 11:12 |
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| thux | is it update-alternatives thing? | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | think you can apt-get remove nit-env-lxde then | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | well | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | not sure honestly | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | but i would assume it's update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't done it recently and it should probably be easier to do :P | 11:15 |
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| thux | ok | 11:17 |
| thux | thanks | 11:17 |
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| broken_ladder | i noticed that your communit council elections use plurality voting, more or less. | 11:20 |
| broken_ladder | i'm with a group headed by a princeton math ph.d., which studies voting methods, and could help you get dramatically better results by using a better voting method. | 11:21 |
| broken_ladder | does anyone know who i could talk to about this, within the maemo community? | 11:21 |
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| broken_ladder | for instance, fedora uses score voting. | 11:23 |
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| broken_ladder | wb | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 11:23 |
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| crashanddie | broken_ladder, Probably starting a thread on maemo-community (mailing-list) should be able to get you going | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | broken_ladder, this post leaked quite some ink: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-August/000658.html | 11:28 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off for a job interview in Cambridge, 'later all ! | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: the council has a task to suggest a new voting method and voter eligibility criteria and put it to a referndum. A thread on maemo-community with some suggestions would be very useful | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | s/crashanddie/broken_ladder/ | 11:33 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: broken_ladder: the council has a task to suggest a new voting method and voter eligibility criteria and put it to a referndum. A thread on maemo-community with some suggestions would be very useful | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | my god, beagleboards are tiny | 11:35 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:47 |
| trickie|work | lardman: morning | 11:47 |
| lardman | hi trickie|work | 11:48 |
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| lardman | were you at the summit? If so, my apologies for not getting a chance to say hello | 11:48 |
| trickie|work | lardman: no unfortunately, i have been out of the maemo loop for a month or two | 11:49 |
| lardman | ah, right | 11:49 |
| trickie|work | some good things seem to be coming out though | 11:49 |
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| trickie|work | lardman: you enjoy it? the summit i mean | 11:49 |
| lardman | yeah it was really good, not enough time to talk to everyone I wanted to though :( | 11:50 |
| trickie|work | i bet :) | 11:51 |
| trickie|work | was just looking through the fremantle details/presentations - looks exciting | 11:51 |
| lardman | yes, looks really cool :) | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | trickie|work: We missed you at the summit ;) | 11:52 |
| trickie|work | X-Fade: awe shucks... yeah i really wanted to come, but i had already organised some holidays before it was even announced at linuxtag | 11:52 |
| trickie|work | next time for sure though | 11:52 |
| trickie|work | i saw some talk about maybe a miniconf around fosdem | 11:54 |
| trickie|work | which would be cool for us (close by :) | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Yes, that would be pretty close ;) | 11:55 |
| trickie|work | X-Fade: so was there any running races? im sure dneary would like his title back :) | 11:56 |
| trickie|work | ha ha | 11:56 |
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| dneary | trickie|work: Not this time | 11:56 |
| lardman | running to the next bar? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | moo, lardman,X-Fade,all | 11:56 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | trickie|work: Well, dneary did some running again ;) | 11:56 |
| trickie|work | howdy | 11:56 |
| dneary | I came prepared on the Saturday wearing runners, and got to jog quite quickly back from the Berlin wall to give my presentation ;) | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | dneary: nice to see you are still in form :) | 11:57 |
| lardman | ah, I thought you had the sweats 'cos you were nervous ;) | 11:57 |
| dneary | trickie|work: http://88.191.81.118/Results.aspx?RaceId=164 <- I had to go back to Lyon on Saturday night to run this race | 11:58 |
| dneary | 1:30:28 | 11:58 |
| dneary | bit disappointed not to get under 1:30 | 11:58 |
| trickie|work | dneary: not bad though, well done | 11:59 |
| dneary | thanks :) | 11:59 |
| dneary | I did injure myself though | 11:59 |
| trickie|work | i have just started to run again, although amsterdam weather has made that quite a challenge recently | 11:59 |
| trickie|work | oh no | 11:59 |
| trickie|work | i wished i could have seen the mamona presentations, and met some of the indt guys | 12:00 |
| dneary | If they'd take that "specimen" text off the photos, you can see me pretty well in these 4: | 12:00 |
| dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2723 | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | trickie|work: Well, I sat 2 days in the rain and 6 Bft wind while watching the A1GP in Zandvoort :) | 12:00 |
| dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2724 | 12:00 |
| dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6692 (in the background) | 12:01 |
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| dneary | http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6693 (and again) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, <3 someone just dropped a beagleboard in my lap | 12:01 |
| trickie|work | X-Fade: ha, sucker for punishment aye :) | 12:01 |
| trickie|work | Stskeeps: lucky duck | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, murderer ! | 12:01 |
| dneary | They were super lazy | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | off, bye | 12:02 |
| trickie|work | dneary: nice actions shots | 12:02 |
| thux | Stskeeps: does deblet read fstab? (cause diablo doesn't) | 12:02 |
| dneary | Rather than having professional photographers who toop thousands of good photos, they set up 2 cameras that started taking pictures one a second at an intermediary slot and at the finish line | 12:02 |
| lardman | Regarding the maemo.org re-design, might it be worth having a "Pearl"-like feature for the developer page showing a random Garage project (and not just a pearl, all of them)? There are lots of cool things in there that people don't see | 12:03 |
| dneary | Then they use your split times from the chip to get the 3/4 seconds during which you're going through the checkpoint | 12:03 |
| dneary | And hoping that you're in there | 12:03 |
| trickie|work | lardman: yeah there is a lot of hidden treasure, i find a lot everytime i bother to look through the listings at garage | 12:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: Probably not. I would remove the pearl as well. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | lardman: unless somebody updates it by hand regularly, it is useless | 12:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: How so, just have a new one every day or two, go through the list from project #1, then wrap around | 12:05 |
| lardman | actually might need to have 5 displayed at a time, otherwise we'll never make it though | 12:06 |
| napsy_ | Hello. I have a gtk+ application for n800 that I need to rotate for 90 degrees. Is there a command to do that? | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | thux: yeah | 12:08 |
| thux | good | 12:08 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Yea but it is a pearl | 12:18 |
| RST38h | lardman: I am sorry to say it, but not every one of 200+ projects on garage deserves to be considered a pearl | 12:19 |
| RST38h | napsy: No. | 12:19 |
| lardman | I know, I meant to simply have a "Garage Project" sort of list, which updates | 12:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: There are already most popular apps (by download), most highly rated apps, and the latest apps | 12:19 |
| lardman | I know, I already know about them though :) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: That is because nobody is rotyating them | 12:20 |
| lardman | I want to see the cool apps that are either not finished, not working, etc, | 12:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: i.e. tje "correct" behaviour would be to select top 25 in each category and rotate through them, 5 at a time | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Ah, you want work-in-progress ones! | 12:20 |
| RST38h | If there is CVS being hosted for an app at garage, you can also have a list of 5 last-updated-source-code apps | 12:21 |
| lardman | I don't care about the top 25 though, I want to see the stuff I don't see | 12:21 |
| lardman | that might be interesting, but some projects are small/low update/already stagnating | 12:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: tracking CVS updates or a general level of forum discussion should do the trick for you | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, terrifying, isn't it? | 12:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: hmm, I assume others also suffer from my problem, so if a project isn't well known that won't help | 12:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: To hunt for something like this you would really need a human to do the job =( | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes indeed. i'm still astonished with 2gb on a microsd really | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever smaller ones exist | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think there's finally a patch to make OTG work correctly with reasonably recent kernels. | 12:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: In other words, we need some pain-in-the-ass guy who scavenges through garage, finds interesting apps, presents them via The Planet and bugs their owners too | 12:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: ...and you have just volunteered! =) | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sounds interesting.. i've yet to have mine booting just yet, just got it 20 mins ago :P | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | will start experiments after exams | 12:23 |
| lardman | RST38h: lol | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | btw, wasn't manona's goal to be a open source alternative that acts like maemo? why the .. bloody hell does all the screenshots show enlightenment then? | 12:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, haaa. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder that too. | 12:25 |
| * Stskeeps will start compiling up-to-date from hildon application framework packages tonight probably and see if he can get something pretty to run | 12:26 | |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png :P | 12:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I just built kourou for zaurus zaurus :) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: how does it work? | 12:27 |
| trickie|work | Stskeeps: well it aims to be an alternative, but it is not aiming to act like maemo | 12:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, haven't even tried it yet, I just got home and saw the buld finished | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it's python so it can't build that hard ;) | 12:28 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, dependencies, dependencies, dependencies | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | right, lunchtime.. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:29 |
| johnx | dinnertime :P | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: mamona is akin to an ancient kraken | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: mmm, network manager - shiny | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: from time to time you hear about it in somebody's blog but nobody has seen it, used it, or cares about it | 12:29 |
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| johnx | RST38h, until it rises from the deep to devour sailors whole? | 12:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: that will definitely make my day =) | 12:30 |
| trickie|work | RST38h: i beg to differ, i use it exclusively ATM on my n800 | 12:30 |
| RST38h | trickie: really? How is it? | 12:30 |
| johnx | trickie, how's the battery life compared to os2008? | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | btw, pretty much the same kind be said about jalimo | 12:31 |
| RST38h | s/kind/can/ | 12:31 |
| trickie|work | IMHO a better development environment as you have full control of the toolchain | 12:31 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: btw, pretty much the same can be said about jalimo | 12:31 |
| RST38h | trickie: yes but what about the users? | 12:31 |
| trickie|work | the battery life is ok, if you do some tweaks | 12:31 |
| johnx | yeah, OE rocks pretty hard for building | 12:31 |
| * johnx gets his OE env put back together | 12:31 | |
| trickie|work | :) | 12:31 |
| trickie|work | RST38h: but for a normal user i could see why mamona would not appeal over maemo | 12:32 |
| trickie|work | but to hack on it it is great :) | 12:32 |
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| trickie|work | i really want to try out this new wifi driver | 12:33 |
| trickie|work | and the latest omap kernel with mamona | 12:33 |
| trickie|work | bbl, ciao | 12:34 |
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| GAN800 | Welcome back | 12:41 |
| trickie|work | ta :) | 12:42 |
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| blafasel | Stupid OT question: I have to translate something to english and stumble upon a term here: Some mobile carriers offer a second sim card for a reduced price, for your gf/kid/wife whatever. Any ideas how that might be called in english marketing speech? | 13:28 |
| blafasel | German would translate (word by word) to "partner card", but that sounds stupid in german already ;) | 13:29 |
| GAN800 | They call those 'family plans' over here. | 13:30 |
| johnx | yeah, but it's not exactly the same thing | 13:30 |
| blafasel | Nope, we have those as well. | 13:31 |
| blafasel | It's more a second sim card on your own contract | 13:31 |
| johnx | They don't actually have that in the US as far as I know | 13:32 |
| blafasel | Hmm. Aren't most mobile's without sim over there anyway? | 13:33 |
| GAN800 | No. | 13:34 |
| blafasel | Don't even know the target here, probably UK though (since we have a branch there) | 13:34 |
| johnx | half are, half aren't | 13:34 |
| blafasel | Interesting, thanks | 13:34 |
| johnx | but most carriers want to sell you phone+plan | 13:34 |
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| Jaffa | blafasel: Probably just "Extra SIM" or - maybe - "Family Plan". The latter wouldn't be self-explanatory. | 13:48 |
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| x-demon | hi | 13:53 |
| x-demon | anyone using conala? | 13:53 |
| x-demon | canola, sorry | 13:53 |
| johnx | yup, all the time | 13:54 |
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| x-demon | i embed a <LYRICS> tag into mp3 | 13:55 |
| x-demon | where lyrics stored | 13:55 |
| x-demon | after that, canola not reading tags for those songs | 13:56 |
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| x-demon | ijon_1>> сотрудник яндекса? =) | 14:08 |
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| ijon_1 | x-demon: Вас это удивляет? )) | 14:09 |
| x-demon | немного =) | 14:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 14:10 |
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| Mek | okay, disconnecting a bluetooth keyboard from my n810 while it had caps-lock on is quite annoying :) | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | hehe | 16:06 |
| RST38h | you mean, CapsLock status is really kept in the host not in the keyboard? | 16:06 |
| Mek | apparently... | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | Which is true for a PC too. | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | Whenever you have a hard hang, you can check it by hitting numlock or caps lock. | 16:10 |
| Kegetys | with caps lock bound as additional ctrl that would not have happened :) | 16:10 |
| Mek | it is not true at least for mac os x... I can have a different caps lock state on th einternal keyboard and my bluetooth one... | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Yep | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Yes, but it is still kept at the host. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Scancodes have no case although there is a separate scancode for CpasLock | 16:11 |
| Kegetys | the OS propably just keeps track of it | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Having different states for different keyboards in the host is normal though | 16:12 |
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| Jaffa | Damnit. Fremantle SDK now in December: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle - not exactly clearly communicated in the spirit of openness. | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: It always has been December. With November as 'good to have'. | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | At least, that was what I understand. | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: The comment at the summit was "November unless something goes wrong" IIRC | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Or phrased like "we're very hopeful for November" or something. | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | ICBW. | 16:17 |
| johnx | I'm very hopeful that I'll win the lottery | 16:19 |
| * Stskeeps fights with beagleboard serial port | 16:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, straight-through adaptor? | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: grabbed a db-19 -> rs232 from some old motherboard | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | s | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | db9, that is | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean IDC10 to DB9? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sorry | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm | 16:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Wasn't it announced as May? | 16:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And if SDK is due in December, does it mean that we can expect a new DEVICE in May? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We're talking about the alpha. | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The red wire should be on the SD end. | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Ah | 16:21 |
| RST38h | So, May is for the Beta? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hmm, okay | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, then you'll need a nullmodem cable. | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | got one | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/ | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks similar to my setup | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | when the red is down to sd all three lamps doesn't light up though | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Serial port should be: 115200 8N1 with no hardware or software flow control. | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: March-May for the beta; but with weekly updates from alpha->beta. Some suggestion of developer loan devices during the beta timeframe. | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Those would most likely have to be devboards though... | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Still cool. | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: atleast i'm sure board isn't dead, it makes the beep at boot :P | 16:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the two LEDs next to the SD card light when u-boot starts. | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* that doesn't happen when i have the red down to sd though, and no beep either | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | which is kinda weird | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm powering from usb btw | 16:30 |
| Mace` | i'm going to go watch the sanctuary webisodes | 16:30 |
| Mace` | the pilot was actually pretty good | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Red down to SD? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | then the lights don't come on | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | as in, one light, but not the near-sd ones :P | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is a red down to SD? :P | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooooh | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wire | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, like you said :P | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. gonna try with power supply now and see if that helps | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're not holding down USER or anything? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | nada | 16:33 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | oh that's funky, behaviour changes when on power supply.. | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | no terminal stuff but it puts on lights when the plug's red wire is nearby sd :P | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, we have an svg of the logo anywhere? | 16:37 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Yup | 16:37 |
| dneary | It was sent to the mailing list | 16:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can you poke at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787? | 16:38 |
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| rollover | hi, does someone knows if a keylogger could be installed on the N810? could it log virtual keyboard entries too? I'm not interested in installing one, I just fear that someone I share the tablet with might have done it! | 16:44 |
| Mek | anything is possible with physical access to the device... | 16:44 |
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| johnx | but I don't know any that exist | 16:45 |
| johnx | how experienced is this person with linux? | 16:45 |
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| rollover | well he has some experience, but he's not a guru :) | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know what the logic is behind the soft poweroff interface. | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can enable it with one method, but you can disable it with the same method. | 16:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully it finally works again after 10 months. | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Ah, forget the soft poweroff | 16:47 |
| RST38h | The really cool thing is that Modest finally works! | 16:47 |
| johnx | rollover, then I'd say possible but not likely. If it's your tablet, then backup your stuff and reflash. That's one way to be pretty sure | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Only took two SSUs | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | johnx: He probably means a software keylogger | 16:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, I understood. | 16:48 |
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| johnx | that's why I suggested reflashing... | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:48 |
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| rollover | i know that everything is possible is you begin to program the tablet, I'm just wondering if there is a keylogger for normal linux that can work on maemo, the keyboard being different and maybe virtual and all... | 16:50 |
| rollover | if* | 16:50 |
| johnx | hmm...tough call actually | 16:50 |
| johnx | the virtual keyboard doesn't generate x events I believe | 16:50 |
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| rollover | programming is out of the question yet, we are just starting to set up the environment | 16:51 |
| rollover | and flashing | 16:51 |
| RST38h | rollover: No. | 16:51 |
| RST38h | rollover: If you want to spy after people, you would have to code your own spy tools. | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Next question. | 16:52 |
| elekt | haha | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: there would be reasonable things for this though - in one project we should do semi-logging to determine user usage of the prototype and stuff though | 16:52 |
| johnx | if I were a betting man, I'd say that there aren't any publicly available keyloggers that would log the virtual keyboard. The real question is: Do you think this person has a reason to spy on you? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am pretty sure you can create some kind of a transparent window that receives all events, records them, and passes them down X11 (or GTK) window stack | 16:52 |
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| johnx | RST38h, but the virtual keyboard is pretty different | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: yes, but I am not interested unless paid. | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Actually, it should still generate *at least* gtk events, right? | 16:53 |
| rollover | won't help much because in the case he installed a keylogger he already has my desktop system's password with allot other passwords stored in the mozilla firefox... and then if he installs another keylogger that can send online info :D... it's a vicious circle | 16:53 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's a gtk plugin, so the key press event should never leave the app. You'd need to code it specially just for spying on gtk input methods | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | Faked/wrapper around libgtk | 16:54 |
| elekt | flash it | 16:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: ah | 16:54 |
| johnx | rollover, do you really think he would try something like that? why let him use the tablet in the first place? | 16:54 |
| johnx | Jaffa, or just replace the hildon-input-method with one that copies out keys to a file :) | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | johnx: :) | 16:56 |
| RST38h | ah, you evil blackhats! | 16:57 |
| RST38h | may the Tentacled One feast on your dirty brain matter! | 16:57 |
| rollover | we are coworkers and we are doing learning-work on maemo, we only have one tablet:D | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | rollover: tablet emulator exists | 16:59 |
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| rollover | anyway, if you guys don't know of such a thing, it means nobody shared this publicly, so there's no reason for me to worry, he didn't write any program by himself, that's for sure..., i'll just be carfull what I enter on the device next time... maybe not installing pidgin will help | 17:01 |
| rollover | thank you for answers | 17:01 |
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| Guilt | >_> | 17:05 |
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| * lardman likes the sound of 2009 events, wonders about costs | 17:06 | |
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| Jaffa | lardman: choose one of: summit or device discount ;-) | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | "Was performed to add another cpu to the SQL server, which was task switching like crazy." | 17:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Device discount. | 17:09 |
| lardman | Jaffa: lol | 17:09 |
| * RST38h feels like a fortune teller | 17:09 | |
| RST38h | And if they really LOOK at what that SQL server is doing, they will probably find lots of unoptimized queries not using indices | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: agreed - though I'd like to have both :) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Meeting is nice but it ends and everybody is back to work | 17:11 |
| RST38h | A subsidized device will let me actually do some cool programming | 17:11 |
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| lardman | RST38h: meetings are good to talk to people and collaborate, etc, | 17:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: talk - yes, collaborate - irc/email is better for that, leaves permanent record | 17:13 |
| lardman | RST38h: brainstorming and chatting about ideas are better in person, but make sure you write up the notes afterwards for the record :) | 17:14 |
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| RST38h | lardman: complete with beer bottle prints? ;) | 17:16 |
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| lardman | of course, alcohol helps the brainstorming, just not the remembering ;) | 17:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong | 17:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, how feasible is it to rename a Garage project after it's created? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It isn't. | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, wishful thinking. . . . | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, you can change the name which is displayed. But the unix name isn't possible. | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, well, I'm just going for it then. | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, maybe not. | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe just go with Maemo CE and simultaneously collide with Nokia and Microsoft. | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | What about Fedora's "spin" term? | 17:30 |
| arachnist | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Or, just "Community Distro"? community-distro.garage.maemo.org | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | Not very marketingey | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 15 characters == community-distr | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | Bah | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Council Edition _would_ be easier in this case. ;) | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | heh | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | freeporn.garage.maemo.org | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org | 17:32 |
| lardman | is that porn or sporn? | 17:33 |
| lardman | sporn sounds a bit like spawn | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say let the reader decide. ;) | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Interesting suggestion from Marius on keeping red pill mode but disabling its overuse. | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, about turning show all packages and show magic packages off by default? | 17:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | osvc.garage.maemo.org | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Short and nonsensical. | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: no, making red-pill a one-time operation for rescue situations rather than leaving it on between runs | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 17:39 |
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| whodat | so what is this red pill thing? i thought it was just a joke because the howto tells you to enter the url and then just turn around and hit cancel to abort your entry. lol | 17:42 |
| lcuk | oh gawd *facepalm* did I accidentally commit my porn folder to svn again? | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | whodat, a special broken mode you don't need to worry about. | 17:44 |
| EgS | hrhrhr | 17:45 |
| nemo | lcuk: you can erase the most recent version of svn :) | 17:45 |
| nemo | lcuk: after backing up the repo ;) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | general, without doing a mega scrollback with vnc why is my irc flashing telling me about my porn | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | lol nemo, it *did* take a while to upload | 17:45 |
| * qwerty12 finally got a new charger! Go on, drinks on me :P | 17:46 | |
| nemo | lcuk: why on earth don't you have an svn exclude on your porn folder? | 17:46 |
| Mek | qwerty12: credit card number? :P | 17:46 |
| lardman | and why is "porn" one of your keywords? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Mek, If only... But I'll be happy to take your credit card number and pay you back next time :P | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, we were deciding on what we were gonna call the community edition garage site. | 17:47 |
| Mek | :) | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org was one of my suggestions. :P | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | 404?! WTF | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, figure out http://outpo.st/rotate/ | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, And do what with it? :P | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, make it play nice with Application manager. | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I'm a sucky packager (lcuk will be testament to that :P) | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I should be able to update my tablet to the latest SSU (finally!), I can try soon(ish) :) | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering if it's 3rd party repo thing | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Says xserver and kernel are missing, but they're clearly available. | 17:49 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, you aren't that sucky, you managed it the first time when no1 else did :) i thank you eternally for that. just that it didnt work once I had arranged the data structures wasnt your fault | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, :), I can't wait to try out your latest work though :) | 17:51 |
| lcuk | theres a package somewhere now, i would dig up the url but vnc is bein a bitch | 17:52 |
| lcuk | it should be goin through extras in the next few days as well.. | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | No problems, I remember it was on itt :) | 17:52 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, thanks! | 17:52 |
| * lcuk loves google at this end | 17:52 | |
| * qwerty12 is hyped after drinking an entire bottle of boost again | 17:53 | |
| lcuk | ewwww sideways rain | 17:53 |
| lardman | well you do live in the North ;) | 17:53 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, in the south, it's not much better :( | 17:53 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, rain's at about 10 degrees to the horizonal here :) | 17:54 |
| * lcuk checks mails and gets back to work | 17:54 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, lol, I just walked in the rain back home and it was going in my mouth >.< | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart the UK for crappy weather | 17:56 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of the UK's jugular vein for crappy weather | 17:56 | |
| * lardman had to close the window to avoid getting wet behind his computer monitor | 17:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: just wait for snow | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, snow's fun because then you can smack people in da face with it | 18:00 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: we don't get that in the South much | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | In London, we got an decent amount but nothing like what I remember (from photos anyway) in Halifax | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | your country shuts down when there's 2cm of snow. | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | Global warming! We're dooooomed. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | our busses stop going when there | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | 's atleast a meter | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| lardman | 2cm is optimistic, more like 2mm | 18:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The world would end if it snowed down here. | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Lol, you lucky bastards with the continual sunniness | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see a beach vacation quite like most people. ;) | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Gah, my envy meter is rising :P | 18:19 |
| lardman | hmm, still not feeling too sorry for you ;) | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speaking honestly, I hate the beach. | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The water here is like bath water during the summer | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~80-90°F water temperature | 18:20 |
| lardman | enough, you're making me feel sick with envy | 18:20 |
| lardman | :) | 18:20 |
| * qwerty12 swims to Florida | 18:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you don't need to deal with hurricanes. | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and 102°F and 200% humidity isn't as fun as it sounds | 18:21 |
| lardman | true | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, the insects and huge and plentiful. | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/and/are/ | 18:21 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Plus, the insects are huge and plentiful. | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | That's good. It means I have more chance of living out my fantasy of making an insect rest in pieces. | 18:22 |
| * qwerty12 prefers scissors to fly swats when I'm hyped | 18:22 | |
| lardman | katana next step? | 18:23 |
| * qwerty12 was thinking about a katana today oddly enough | 18:24 | |
| lardman | hmmmmm | 18:24 |
| lardman | speaking of which, /me wonders where to get ice hockey gloves | 18:25 |
| GAN800 | No generic sporting goods chains over there? | 18:26 |
| * Pavlov knows several places near sf, but bets that doesn't help | 18:26 | |
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| lardman | GAN800: Ice hockey's not big over here | 18:26 |
| Pavlov | i just got some new nike baur ones that are pretty nice | 18:26 |
| GAN800 | Hell, I could tell you three places to get ice hokey equipment here. :P | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | I can tell you where to get ice nookie. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | JD don't seem to have anything for hockey | 18:27 |
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| Pavlov | huh, nike bauer does custom sticks | 18:29 |
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| Pavlov | on the internets | 18:29 |
| * lardman needs gloves for bokken fighting, ice hokey ones seem to stop fingers from getting broken | 18:36 | |
| lardman | s/fighting/practise ;) | 18:36 |
| Pavlov | heh | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Now that I know lardman's still is working on it, I can insult him for now and not get in a fight later | 18:37 |
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| lardman | just make sure you've got some gloves when I see you! ;) | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, who needs the gloves when you got kitchen devils© :P | 18:39 |
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| * lardman is wondering if he means knives or some sort of oven gloves? | 18:41 | |
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| * qwerty12 makes a file in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/~sfil_li_folder_user_guides/ to combat against shitty post(/pre?)inst scripts | 18:41 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, knives but I'm only joking (as unfunny as the joke is) | 18:42 |
| lardman | in that case I'll throw my gloves at you and run away ;) | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | TF, the update won't let me update because of xserver-xomap. Oh, how I want to strangle the shit that is apt... | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Looks like xserver-xomap will be getting updated first ;) | 18:50 |
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| manyoso | jott: ping | 18:54 |
| moontiger | * Ping reply from manyoso: 0.45 second(s) | 18:54 |
| moontiger | not jott but i like pings :) | 18:54 |
| manyoso | ooohhk | 18:54 |
| moontiger | hehe | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | surprized ... xchat autoreconnect | 18:56 |
| jott | manyoso: hello. | 18:58 |
| manyoso | hi jott! | 18:58 |
| manyoso | i was wondering about the status of the qt4.5 debs | 18:58 |
| manyoso | are you building them yet for maemo? | 18:58 |
| jott | manyoso: i just did a manual build until now without hildon patches. | 18:59 |
| manyoso | any chances you have debs and/or will be making a version with hildon patches? | 18:59 |
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| jott | manyoso: yes. i think we may have to look how "stable" the current snapshots are to avoid backporting upstream changes. | 19:00 |
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| manyoso | it is in feature freeze | 19:01 |
| manyoso | so stable feature wise at least | 19:01 |
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| jott | manyoso: yeah i guess we'll try to have something ready in the not too far future. | 19:02 |
| manyoso | but if you have 4.5 debs if you could throw them up somewhere, i'd really like to test... with or without hildon integration | 19:02 |
| jott | manyoso: no debs. i can give you a tar.gz to be placed in /usr/local/Trolltech (they did not change that :) | 19:03 |
| lardman | cu chaps | 19:03 |
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| manyoso | jott, nah, i'll wait for debs | 19:03 |
| manyoso | doing a manual build for now | 19:04 |
| jott | manyoso: actually not a big difference for testing. it's all contained in the local dir and you can just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 19:04 |
| manyoso | what's the url? | 19:05 |
| jott | hold on i'll put it on a server. | 19:05 |
| manyoso | thanks | 19:06 |
| jott | it's 148mb extracted. you may want to dump the examples/demos/include dir ;) | 19:07 |
| manyoso | cool | 19:07 |
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| manyoso | bbiab | 19:09 |
| jott | yeah only 1 mbit upstream, takes a few minutes :/ | 19:10 |
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| jott | manyoso: http://outpo.st/qt45maemo.tar.bz2 (52M) | 19:16 |
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| GNUton | hello people | 19:22 |
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| cyrus__ | How can i uninstall the wayfinder application (plan on using maemo mapper)? | 19:26 |
| * qwerty12 would like to know what cock packaged pre-installed-documentation-rx34 | 19:27 | |
| solmumaha | cyrus__: remove the maps app? | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Since the half done upgrade fucked up my wifi and usb and my card reader sucks balls, I now have to resort to transferring that deb via bluetooth to satisfy osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked | 19:30 |
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| cyrus__ | i ran apt-get autoremove and it listed kernel-diablo-flaster and flash-and-reboot as packages no longer needed | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the shit debian can pull at times is nothing like what diablo can ;) | 19:34 |
| cyrus__ | sorry - kernel-diablo-flasher and flash-and-reboot | 19:34 |
| cyrus__ | those seem like needed packages or is it okay to go ahead and remove them? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | they're kinda needed for initfs and kernel upgrades | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 19:35 |
| cyrus__ | k...i will just leave them on then | 19:38 |
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| henrique_ | hello, is there some page explaining how to setup a repository so I can distribute my .deb package through a .install file? | 19:54 |
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| henrique_ | is it just a debian repo? | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | W00t, the update fucked up but the windows flasher will automatically flash me to that version with the latest ssu | 19:57 |
| melmoth | henrique_: you may host your .install file and use the extras repos | 19:58 |
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| melmoth | and yes, it is just a debian repo | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | <Khertan_n810> i need some advise | 19:58 |
| henrique_ | melmoth: the extras repo in maemo.org? | 19:59 |
| melmoth | yes. | 19:59 |
| melmoth | put your install on your own apache if you want. You will have to add a "AddType application/x-install-instructions .install | 19:59 |
| melmoth | " directive of some sort though | 19:59 |
| melmoth | the .insall file tells where is the repo located, so it can be on another box | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | i on the current development version of mCalendar i create a thread each time user click on the next or previous button which retrieve the event for the month | 20:00 |
| henrique_ | melmoth: unfortunately, we must to use a "private" repository, so I just need instruction to create one from scratch | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | the thread append event to a gtk.ListStore | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | if user don t wait the event list finish to load | 20:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | clicking an other time on next or previous button will result in mixing event list for the previous/next month and the current | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | i see two way of fixing that | 20:02 |
| melmoth | henrique_: regular debian repo (theres doc about it. the main command is dpkg-scanpackages | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | try to kill thread (which isn t possible in python) | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | so i need to interface threading.Thread | 20:03 |
| melmoth | henrique_: braindead simple expl (most probably bad habit though) http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/rapier/refresh.sh | 20:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | in my own class | 20:03 |
| henrique_ | melmoth: and I just need to follow the structure right? no need to store all the packages as in maemo.org? | 20:03 |
| melmoth | henrique_: i think so | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | or maybe made a queue list | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone have other idea ? | 20:04 |
| henrique_ | the deps can be retrieved from another repo or I have to put them at the same repo? | 20:04 |
| henrique_ | sorry about the off topic, btw | 20:04 |
| melmoth | another repo can do | 20:04 |
| henrique_ | melmoth: fine, thanks a lot | 20:04 |
| melmoth | Khertan_n810: i would disable the possibility to request a new thread while the first one did not finish | 20:05 |
| melmoth | or i would use a pool of thread | 20:05 |
| melmoth | and disable the possibility of request when the pool is full :) | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | melmoth : the problem of pool is that it will slow down you when you want to move fast to the 5th month | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | waiting that previous month have finished loading | 20:07 |
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| melmoth | can you cache several list store, and have them fill when needed, but switch wich one is the model for the widget when the click occurs ? | 20:07 |
| melmoth | and send the listore to use as an arg to the thread ? | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | melmoth ... hum yep it could be an idea | 20:08 |
| melmoth | i dont know if it s a good idea , never did it :) | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll look :) | 20:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i still don t understand why python writer don t want to let the programmer killing thread | 20:10 |
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| Barnabas | hey | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | melmoth: doesn t seems to work | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | i create different object ... | 20:17 |
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| Barnabas | kann hier jemand deutsch?:) | 20:17 |
| inz | Barnabas, nur Englisch | 20:18 |
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| Barnabas | arg..ok i try:) | 20:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i get an other problem 'too many thread open' | 20:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | so i ll try to implement my own thread | 20:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 20:19 |
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| Barnabas | can someone explain me how i get e2fsprogs on my n770(hacked edition) so i can use MKE2FS | 20:19 |
| Barnabas | hello? | 20:22 |
| derf | You can just run it from a PC via USB. | 20:22 |
| Barnabas | i? | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Barnabas: What hackers edition you are actually using would be nice. | 20:23 |
| whodat | has anyone played with that mythtv port to nokia n810? | 20:23 |
| Barnabas | SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 20:24 |
| derf | Connect the 770 to a PC via USB. It's a mass storage device, so the mmc card becomes a set of block devices. | 20:24 |
| derf | Run mke2fs on one like normal. | 20:24 |
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| whodat | so meamo has no /var/log ? :( | 20:26 |
| whodat | I am trying to figure out why SIP won't connect to my VOIP provider, it fails and I can't find logs anywhere | 20:27 |
| Barnabas | like normal? sry i dont know how i can run mke2fs on a windows | 20:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | melmoth: event() should be the solution | 20:28 |
| derf | Oh, using Windows is a problem. | 20:28 |
| Barnabas | :-/ i know | 20:29 |
| Barnabas | :) | 20:29 |
| Barnabas | isnt there a catalogue where i can install it? | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | Barnabas: I assume that hackers edition is a form of chinook. Get your armel.deb from here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 20:30 |
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| Veggen | barnabas: Or, download a vmware image of scratchbox, run it, and compile the package yourself. | 20:32 |
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| Barnabas | i try it | 20:34 |
| Barnabas | qwerty12: i try to install the e2fsprogs 1.37-2sarge1 i386.deb but it is incopatible | 20:35 |
| Barnabas | +m | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | I said get the armel ones. | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | (Though not clearly I must admit) | 20:36 |
| Barnabas | sry:-[ | 20:36 |
| Barnabas | the same | 20:38 |
| qwerty12 | Use dpkg then. You'll need to be root to use dpkg but then again, you'll need to be root to be able to use e2fsprogs properly ;) | 20:38 |
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| * Stskeeps gives up on the beagleboard for today and assumes his null modem cable is fucked | 20:43 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Give the beagleboard to me and I'll check if it's the beagleboard that is not at fault | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:44 |
| Barnabas | pre-dependency problem: e2fsprogs pre-depends on e2fsprogs (= 1.37-2sarge1) | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | eh. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | wtf. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: (sadly?) it's my works | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I wont tell :P :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:45 |
| qwerty12 | I don't even have any serial ports on my computers anymore. The last computer that did have one, I stripped it apart and used it to chip my xbox via hotswap. | 20:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:52 |
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| MangoFusion | no serial ports are great... until you come across a device that *needs* a serial connection | 21:08 |
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| pupnik810 | moohoo | 21:22 |
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| solmumaha | evening pupnik810 | 21:29 |
| crashanddie__ | ~ping | 21:29 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:29 |
| crashanddie__ | \o/ | 21:29 |
| melmoth | oh, un groslion | 21:32 |
| melmoth | oups | 21:32 |
| crashanddie__ | stoi le gros lion | 21:32 |
| melmoth | ahaha | 21:32 |
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| fr00d | Hello! | 21:33 |
| fr00d | How can I add a user in maemo 2.2 on a N770? | 21:33 |
| crashanddie__ | you can't | 21:33 |
| crashanddie__ | single user interface | 21:34 |
| fr00d | *sigh* | 21:34 |
| crashanddie__ | and it's 770, not n770 | 21:34 |
| woglinde | *g* I wonder how you want to login the other user | 21:34 |
| fr00d | How can I set a password for the one user I have? | 21:34 |
| woglinde | or only via ssh? | 21:34 |
| fr00d | woglinde: Yeah. | 21:34 |
| woglinde | passwd | 21:34 |
| woglinde | as usal | 21:35 |
| fr00d | Tried: The password for user cannot be changed. | 21:35 |
| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 21:35 |
| woglinde | passwd user | 21:35 |
| woglinde | when you are in r&d mode | 21:36 |
| Veggen | do you even need r&d mode any more? | 21:36 |
| woglinde | veggen dont know | 21:36 |
| fr00d | Uih, works.. | 21:36 |
| fr00d | fine, thx. | 21:36 |
| crashanddie__ | only to be one of the cool kids in the block | 21:36 |
| woglinde | frood no prob | 21:37 |
| woglinde | its unix | 21:37 |
| woglinde | in the end | 21:37 |
| crashanddie__ | linux != unix | 21:37 |
| crashanddie__ | :P | 21:37 |
| woglinde | muahahahaaa | 21:37 |
| fr00d | I know but it's 2 years ago I touched this thingy the last time. | 21:37 |
| Veggen | crashanddie: for most practical purposes, it is. | 21:37 |
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| crashanddie__ | the disks aren't laid out the same, the network interfaces don't use the same denomination style, one is written by a swedish guy, other is based off some universitarian's PhD project | 21:39 |
| crashanddie__ | != | 21:39 |
| povbot | crashanddie__: Error: "=" is not a valid command. | 21:39 |
| crashanddie__ | oh shut up | 21:39 |
| woglinde | *g* | 21:40 |
| woglinde | linux isnt even posix certified, windows nt is | 21:40 |
| crashanddie__ | who gives a damn about either? (nt and posix) | 21:41 |
| Veggen | woglinde: well. That's a truth with modifications. You can make Windows NT posix compliant, you just can't use it for anything in that mode :) | 21:41 |
| woglinde | Veggen yeah but it is certifed | 21:41 |
| woglinde | *g* | 21:41 |
| derf | Veggen: Sure you can. You can use it for procuring government contracts. | 21:41 |
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| whodat | cras: linux > unix | 21:44 |
| crashanddie__ | that's your PoV | 21:44 |
| whodat | lol just trying to start something. ;) | 21:44 |
| Veggen | whodat: some unix versions have definitely fallen behind, also compared to Linux. | 21:45 |
| crashanddie__ | If only FOSS fanboys could stop being so whiny about everything | 21:45 |
| Veggen | Others are alive and well and are more than just maintained, but improved continuously. | 21:45 |
| whodat | veggen: i just wish we could standardize more. even within linux there are dozens of distros, almost like learning a new OS just to figure out a new distro. | 21:46 |
| Veggen | HP-UX is more or less dead. And I haven't heard about many buying AIX for other than to run IBM software that runs best on it. | 21:46 |
| manyoso | jott: what date is that qt4.5 snapshot and did you compile it with webkit in? | 21:47 |
| whodat | veggen: for instance, maemo linux has no /var/log so I have no idea where logs are kept. ;) | 21:47 |
| manyoso | jott: thanks for throwing it up there on the server btw :) | 21:47 |
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| whodat | some things about unix in general make no sense. for instances... /usr/bin , /usr/local/bin, /usr/sbin, /sbin, etc etc. with no concrete guidelines as to what path is for what kind of executables. | 21:49 |
| crashanddie__ | actually, there are | 21:50 |
| whodat | bin:Commands needed during bootup that might be needed by normal users | 21:50 |
| whodat | sbin:Like bin but commands are not intended for normal users. Commands run by LINUX. | 21:50 |
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| whodat | i dont think those rules are followed though | 21:51 |
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| crashanddie__ | Depends where you look | 21:51 |
| crashanddie__ | Any good project/corp will install their daemons to /sbin, any good admin will know he can nfs share /usr/bin, and that local packages should go to /usr/local/bin | 21:52 |
| crashanddie__ | local meaning "locally installed and not to be shared with anyone else" | 21:53 |
| crashanddie__ | but yeah, no one cares eh ;) | 21:53 |
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| crashanddie__ | anyway, I'm arriving at London, talk to you when I get back home | 21:54 |
| whodat | london, lol.. cool | 21:56 |
| crashanddie__ | why lol? | 21:58 |
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| whodat | would like to go there sometime is all | 22:00 |
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| lukegee | hi, | 22:08 |
| lukegee | where can i download x-chat for os2008? | 22:08 |
| lukegee | i can only find a version for ps2007 | 22:09 |
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| woglinde | hm I would try the debian package and compile it in scratchbox | 22:13 |
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| X-Fade | Robot101: ping? | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | god damn it, now its 3 and a sore knee | 22:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk | 22:21 |
| lcuk | tumble dryer in pieces on the kitchen floor... | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yawn | 23:15 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Are you running this 'debfarm' repo? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: nop, not me | 23:17 |
| yigal_ | is it possible to ssh into my n800 via usb as I've some how bricked the wifi on a failed update, and need to use dpkg/apt to straighten things out? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | yigal_: got bootmenu? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | hm, sec | 23:18 |
| yigal_ | Stskeeps: on the n800?, I don't think so :( | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | yigal_: got g_ether.ko somewhere in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules? | 23:18 |
| yigal_ | Stskeeps: ye | 23:19 |
| yigal_ | s/ye/yes | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | yigal_: you might be able to rmmod g_storage and insmod g_ether, and ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | and then ssh (if you had this installed already as server on tablet) in from your linux machine :P | 23:20 |
| yigal_ | I will try | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | (hin, modprobe usbnet on your linux machine | 23:20 |
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| woglinde | there is a script for this in the maemo wiki | 23:21 |
| yigal_ | good, must look harder | 23:21 |
| yigal_ | I have a working os2008 in the flash which I'm using right now, I'll test it on this, and then try it on the borked sd os2008 | 23:21 |
| yigal_ | working == wifi works | 23:22 |
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| yigal_ | woglinde: this it? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ | 23:23 |
| yigal_ | ah, but I'm using Debian so I may use http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ | 23:25 |
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| woglinde | yigal yes it is | 23:26 |
| woglinde | debian loads all atutomagicly | 23:26 |
| woglinde | if you uses ifplugd and entires in /etc/network/interfaces | 23:27 |
| yigal_ | woglinde: ah, funny I manually modprobed usbnet, but that's good to know | 23:29 |
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| crashanddie | on ##c++: (lazertek) so html and c++ are different tho right? | 23:57 |
| glass_ | ugh | 23:59 |
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