IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-10-06

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ldrn	Huh. It suddenly became impossible to turn bluetooth on. I can't connect to my phone or turn it on manually... anyone ever had this happen to them before? :(	01:13
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pupnik810	hi ho!	01:17
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pupnik810	wish the wlan icon would show signal	01:19
pupnik810	strength	01:19
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pupnik810	hi lcuk!	01:22
lcuk	hi there pupnik	01:22
lcuk	hows it goin	01:23
pupnik810	i just drove 1.5 hours w.o. gps lock :\|	01:23
pupnik810	how u?	01:23
lcuk	well thats what you get for driving into a mining tunnel	01:23
lcuk	they are good i think	01:23
lcuk	just watched latest terminator and looking forward to reading new nive nbook	01:24
pupnik810	hope n9x0 has much better gps	01:24
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pupnik810	niven who wrote ringworld?	01:24
lcuk	yeah	01:24
lcuk	and about 10zillion other stories :)	01:24
lcuk	latest book is about the homeworlds of the piersons puppeteers	01:25
pupnik810	did you see how much vgba sped-up with fb0?	01:26
lcuk	no, but i think i need to have a looksie - ive had my head up my arse about liqbase for a while ;)	01:26
pupnik810	ah - it changes fps from painful nto happy	01:28
lcuk	excellent, performance is key to a happy experience	01:28
pupnik810	yes!	01:29
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lcuk	can you give my 810 a link	01:29
pupnik810	<- just pre-ordered a pandora	01:29
pupnik810	it should be in extras afaik	01:30
lcuk	nice	01:30
lcuk	do i need game files or are there some there	01:31
pupnik810	files	01:31
lcuk	pffft, cant we force a GBA game into the memory slot ;)	01:32
mouser-	Is there a way to increase the size of the top panel/notification area in Diablo to fit more icons?	01:41
mavhc	or make the icons thinner?	01:42
mavhc	lcuk: probably build an adapter	01:42
lcuk	mavhc, wouldnt be practical and would get nintendo lawyers on your arse	01:44
mouser-	mavhc: That would work too.	01:44
lcuk	mouser-, i dont think theres a perfect way, but tell me what icons you actually have - somethings can be combined or replacements found	01:44
lcuk	ie advanced brightness is a single icon that deals with brightness and volume	01:45
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mouser-	lcuk: Pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, GPS, Alarm, Presence, PC Connection, Last.fm.	01:52
lcuk	heh, would they even fit if you had the entire space?	01:52
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lcuk	contact nokia and ask them to add an extension on the side - make the first 80 pixels 4096 pixels wide	01:53
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mouser-	lcuk: Probably not. Taking out the lesser used ones, leaves me with advanced brightness, pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, Presence.	01:54
lcuk	i see your problem..just stay offline and dont have bt enabled and you wont need most :P	01:55
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mouser-	lcuk: Have they fixed the built-in chat to use AIM/ICQ, Yahoo, MSN yet for Diablo? I tried it in Chinook but I couldn't see any online contacts (there were some). I'd prefer not going through Jabber as a proxy to use the rest, as it simply does not seem secure.	01:59
lcuk	im ashamed to say i dont use my NIT for internet things very often	01:59
mouser-	lcuk: What do you use it for?	01:59
lcuk	ive certainly never configured any of the IM or email services	01:59
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lcuk	making pretty things that i like to touch :)	01:59
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lcuk	mouser-, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuY_fglmD8	02:01
lcuk	not the best video, but it will give you an idea	02:01
robink	Both my browsers like to crash.	02:01
mouser-	lcuk: I was wondering what program that was when I was looking at the Summit pictures. I'll give it a try...though I really need to get this running in dual-boot so I don't keep running out of space for programs and things.	02:03
lcuk	mouser-, yeah - which pictures have you seen by the way, and have you managed to find any videos of it yet	02:04
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mouser-	lcuk: Just browsing the flickr public pool. Do you need a link?	02:06
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lcuk	no, ive seen the flickr set :) its great tim put a load up - ive been able to recognise people, but theres a load of faces i cannot remember	02:06
* lcuk is upgrading liqbase so this never happens again		02:07
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mouser-	lcuk: Libqbase looks great! Once it's a little more stable, It will probably replace Maemopad+ for note taking for me.	02:12
lcuk	its never been unstable for note taking, as you see i have months worth of data stored	02:13
lcuk	its even starting to escape my little tablet	02:13
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php	02:13
mouser-	lcuk: Does it support text input as well?	02:13
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mouser-	Stupid question, probably.	02:14
lcuk	not at present - it used to allow me to specify a typed keyword, but that was removed as part of an upgrade. i expect it to fully support notes attached to every sketch (or standalone) in the near future	02:14
lcuk	and displayed inline with sketches to keep context where necessary	02:15
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lcuk_afk	gnite chan	02:31
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\|thunder	lcuk_afk; is that available to install now on my n800 ?	03:04
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hung_andrew	hello all. on N810 DIABLO after running kismet wlan0 remains in monitor mode. so, wlan is broken. Any idea? help, pls.	03:10
hung_andrew		03:13
\|thunder	i think you need wireless-tools iwconfig to chagne it back, which is not compiled for armel to my knowledge. does it not reset when you reset the device ?	03:14
hung_andrew	that is the most interesting, that after reboot all remains the same	03:16
hung_andrew	i have wireless-tools on N810	03:17
\|thunder	hmm... have a look in /etc/network/interfaces does the word 'monitor' appear there ?	03:17
hung_andrew	iwconfig wlan0 mode ...	03:17
\|thunder	other wise it should reset, maybe even try powering down and popping the battery out for a few mins	03:17
\|thunder	iwconfig man : interface mode {managed\|ad-hoc\|master\|...}	03:18
\|thunder	Managed	03:19
\|thunder	iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed	03:19
\|thunder	i'd look in /etc/network/interfaces	03:20
\|thunder	otherwise it should dsefauilt to managed on restart	03:20
hung_andrew	no word 'monitor' in /etc	03:20
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\|thunder	no.	03:21
\|thunder	cat /etc/network/interfaces	03:21
hung_andrew	now trying pulling out battery	03:22
\|thunder	my /etc/network/interfaces dosnt even have a reference to wlan0, which means it is handled by something else	03:24
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hung_andrew	no 'monitor' in interfaces.. . even rmmod cx3110x, and then insmod cx3110x didnt fix this..	03:25
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hung_andrew	oh, i can say the same about mine	03:25
mouser-	\|thunder: lcuk has left for the evening, so you know.	03:26
hung_andrew	it DOES work! thanks you	03:31
hung_andrew	thunder	03:31
\|thunder	yep	03:32
\|thunder	np :)	03:32
\|thunder	n8x0 never really powers down all the way	03:32
\|thunder	unless batt removed	03:32
hung_andrew	english is your native?	03:32
\|thunder	yess	03:34
\|thunder	;p	03:34
\|thunder	if your smart, go take out as much as you can from you ATM tonight	03:34
\|thunder	better safe than sorry	03:34
hung_andrew	my n810 was shipped from amazon to russia, so i use russian layout. dont U know, which hotkey changes the layouts?	03:35
\|thunder	i have n800	03:35
\|thunder	no idea	03:35
\|thunder	you mean on on screen kb ?	03:36
\|thunder	to change to russian ?	03:36
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hung_andrew	russian letters on hardware keyboard, i mean	03:37
\|thunder	ohh, no idea about that , i have no hard kb	03:37
\|thunder	n800 here. i wanted 2 SD slots	03:37
hung_andrew	i can do that in control panel, but every time open control panel is not very good idea.	03:38
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\|thunder	i gotta get going, glad its back up and running hung_andrew	03:40
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\|thunder	also, not all americans are stupid, some of us know that georgia attacked YOU with US CIA aid. were not all ignorant puppets, just so you (a russian) know.	03:41
hung_andrew	ok. thank you for help	03:41
\|thunder	:)	03:41
hung_andrew	you are SOO RIGHT	03:41
\|thunder	i know, its just that its impossible to convince anyone of it. i watched putin lay out the entire timeline	03:42
\|thunder	jump on ##infowars and maybe we can talk about it when i get back in an hour or two if your interested. (thats 2 ##'s) not 1	03:43
\|thunder	be back later	03:43
hung_andrew	interested, let's talk	03:43
\|thunder	thats warms my heart, seriously	03:44
\|thunder	ill be in ##infowars	03:44
\|thunder	on this server	03:44
hung_andrew	in 1 or 2 hours?	03:44
\|thunder	maybe sooner, just join now, ill be back in a while, i have to go drop off some baby shower invitations, ;p	03:45
hung_andrew	ok.	03:46
\|thunder	:) afk, be back later	03:46
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EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: are you about?	04:14
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EruditeHermit	if I do, ./flasher-3.0 -l -k kernel, should that try to boot my tablet with the kernel specified?	05:02
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EruditeHermit	and if I have a reboot loop, is there any way to recover without flashing?	05:04
dick-richardson	that's a good question. don't suppose there's a key combo you can press to get to single-user mode on boot...?	05:06
EruditeHermit	dick-richardson: are you asking me?	05:06
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dick-richardson	no, the room in general	05:07
EruditeHermit	dick-richardson: what tablet do you have?	05:07
dick-richardson	n810, though the hardware keys on a n800 could still be used	05:07
EruditeHermit	I know you can load the tablet running a kernel from an image stored on a computer	05:08
dick-richardson	in fact...doing so would be forward compatible with the n810	05:08
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EruditeHermit	is maemo.org down?	05:14
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dick-richardson	http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/	05:14
dick-richardson	I can get to it	05:15
EruditeHermit	dick-richardson: try wiki.maemo.org	05:16
EruditeHermit	dick-richardson: the main maemo site works for me	05:16
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dick-richardson	It resolves, but is blank	05:18
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EruditeHermit	ok me too	05:18
EruditeHermit	you wouldn't happen to know the command to reflash using Linux would you?	05:18
dick-richardson	hang on a sec...lemme see if I can find it	05:19
EruditeHermit	./flasher-3.0, -F Desktop/RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f	05:20
EruditeHermit	is what i have	05:20
dick-richardson	yep	05:20
EruditeHermit	its not working	05:20
dick-richardson	how so?	05:20
EruditeHermit	I might have bricked it	05:20
EruditeHermit	It is still stuck in reboot loop	05:20
dick-richardson	take the battery out	05:21
EruditeHermit	am I supposed to have the power cord in?	05:21
EruditeHermit	yeah I take the battery out and power on and try to flash but it doesn't work	05:21
dick-richardson	that's how I start the process...not until everything else is done	05:21
EruditeHermit	yes	05:21
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EruditeHermit	I did that	05:21
dick-richardson	so, take the battery out	05:21
dick-richardson	put it in and leave it off	05:21
EruditeHermit	yes	05:22
dick-richardson	connect the usb cable and run the command...should get an output saying that it's waiting fora suitable usb device	05:22
EruditeHermit	yes yes	05:22
dick-richardson	then plug in the power cord	05:22
EruditeHermit	thats what I am doing	05:22
dick-richardson	and then wait a while	05:22
dick-richardson	hmm...any sd cards in the device?	05:22
EruditeHermit	yes	05:23
dick-richardson	try it with them removed	05:23
dick-richardson	you've verified the name of the utility and the firmware?	05:23
EruditeHermit	hmm	05:23
EruditeHermit	yes, I used them before	05:23
EruditeHermit	to flash	05:23
dick-richardson	check the md5sum for the firmware, just for grins	05:23
EruditeHermit	ok	05:23
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EruditeHermit	when I plugged in, it went bezerk	05:24
\|thunder	hung_andrew; you still here ?	05:24
EruditeHermit	it flashed the boot screen repeatedly about 10 times really quickly and then turned off	05:24
dick-richardson	only thing I can think of is bad sd card, bad firmware, or bad hardware	05:24
dick-richardson	you going through a usb hub?	05:24
EruditeHermit	no	05:25
dick-richardson	maybe try a different usb port, too...other than that I got nothin'	05:26
EruditeHermit	ah crap	05:28
EruditeHermit	I think it is bricked	05:28
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dick-richardson	:(	05:29
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dick-richardson	anyone have a stardict dictionary? I um unable to get one from their site.	05:34
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GeneralAntilles	Sounds like low battery.	05:43
dick-richardson	not being able to download a dictionary...that's an odd symptom	05:44
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: hey, can you help me get my tablet working again?	05:45
dick-richardson	are you just being sanctimonious again? ;)	05:45
GeneralAntilles	I'm always sanctimonious.	05:45
GeneralAntilles	I always figured it for a quality aspect of my personality than a flaw. :P	05:45
dick-richardson	hehe	05:46
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: I am stuck in the reboot loop even when I try to flash my device	05:46
GeneralAntilles	EruditeHermit, it may not have enough power to start up properly.	05:46
EruditeHermit	oh	05:46
dick-richardson	or download dictionaries	05:47
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sure how much juice will actually make it into to battery if you leave it connected looping.	05:47
dick-richardson	yank the battery, put it back and leave it off, and charge it overnight	05:47
dick-richardson	and DON'T download dictionaries	05:48
EruditeHermit	its not getting to the charging screen	05:48
GeneralAntilles	If there's enough power to set an RD flag, you could turn the appropriate watchdog off.	05:48
GeneralAntilles	flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R	05:48
GeneralAntilles	That will stop it from being killed	05:48
GeneralAntilles	It should at least be able to charge that way.	05:49
EruditeHermit	hmm	05:49
EruditeHermit	nope	05:49
EruditeHermit	there is no connectivity between the tablet and the device	05:50
EruditeHermit	the USB icon appears briefly and then disappears	05:50
EruditeHermit	and the console output doesn't indicate that it even finds the device	05:50
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GeneralAntilles	Oh	05:50
GeneralAntilles	hmm	05:50
GeneralAntilles	What USB cable are you using?	05:50
EruditeHermit	I am using a USB cable from an external hard drive that I found	05:51
EruditeHermit	it works with the external hard drive	05:51
GeneralAntilles	EruditeHermit, you mean, you plug in the USB cable, hold down the Home key and power it up, and the USB symbol appears, disappears and it tries to boot?	05:51
EruditeHermit	yes	05:51
GeneralAntilles	and you are holding down the Home key?	05:51
EruditeHermit	hmm	05:52
EruditeHermit	I guess I wasn't doing that	05:52
EruditeHermit	now that I did	05:52
EruditeHermit	it is stuck at the screen with the USB icon	05:52
EruditeHermit	and the blue LED is on	05:52
GeneralAntilles	OK, good!	05:52
GeneralAntilles	Send the flashing command.	05:52
EruditeHermit	Suitable USB device not found, waiting	05:53
GeneralAntilles	Hrm	05:53
dick-richardson	plug it in	05:53
EruditeHermit	ok	05:54
EruditeHermit	no change	05:54
EruditeHermit	should I repeat the whole process with it plugged in?	05:54
GeneralAntilles	No	05:54
GeneralAntilles	Now why wouldn't the computer be seeing the tablet.	05:54
GeneralAntilles	The tablet knows its plugged in, since it went into flashing mode.	05:54
dick-richardson	I'd run the command on the desktop...then put the tablet into flashing mode	05:55
EruditeHermit	thats what I did first	05:55
EruditeHermit	^^ @ dick-richardson	05:55
EruditeHermit	sudo ./flasher-3.0, -F Desktop/RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R is what I am doing	05:56
GeneralAntilles	Shouldn't matter the order.	05:56
EruditeHermit	also tried sudo ./flasher-3.0, --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R	05:56
EruditeHermit	why does flasher-3.0, have a , after it btw?	05:56
GeneralAntilles	Can you check dmesg or somesuch to see if it enumerates the device?	05:56
GeneralAntilles	Weird proxying on the server.	05:57
GeneralAntilles	It's downloads as "flasher-3.0, attachment" on Safari.	05:57
EruditeHermit	hmm	05:57
EruditeHermit	what am i looking for?	05:58
EruditeHermit	give me something to grep for	05:58
* GeneralAntilles doesn't use proper Linux machines regularly.		05:59
bef0rd	unplug the devicen then tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it again and check what appears	05:59
bef0rd	s/devicen/device/	05:59
infobot	bef0rd meant: unplug the device then tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it again and check what appears	05:59
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:02
EruditeHermit	I am confused	06:02
EruditeHermit	I plugged in my USB HD in before this	06:02
EruditeHermit	so some of the output may be from that	06:02
EruditeHermit	but here it is	06:02
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EruditeHermit	actually	06:04
EruditeHermit	nothing new is being added to /var/log/messages	06:04
EruditeHermit	the last event is the disconnect of the external hard drive	06:05
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EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles, bef0rd: now what?	06:06
GeneralAntilles	Well, I'd leave it on the charger for a bit.	06:06
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bef0rd	that must be why the flasher is unable to detect it	06:06
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: its not even getting to the charching screen	06:07
GeneralAntilles	I don't think we can entirely rule out the USB cable, as I've had 3 USB cables from external hard drives and card readers that simply do not work with my tablet.	06:07
GeneralAntilles	I can't explain it, I'd expect USB cables to be created equal, but there it was.	06:07
EruditeHermit	bef0rd: is that a problem with the device or the laptop?	06:07
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:08
EruditeHermit	could be the cable yes	06:08
lopz	night	06:09
bef0rd	yea, I get two messages when plugging it with the home key down	06:09
bef0rd	Oct 5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40211.894236] usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5	06:09
bef0rd	Oct 5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40212.091381] usb 4-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice	06:09
EruditeHermit	so is it possible that the device is not behaving properly to generate that kernel event or is it the cable that is not allowing it to work?	06:12
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: did you ever try a camera cable?	06:12
GeneralAntilles	Probably	06:12
GeneralAntilles	I think it worked	06:12
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:14
EruditeHermit	is there any way to test the cable?	06:14
EruditeHermit	as I don't have access to the real cable for a few more days	06:14
GeneralAntilles	Plug it in and try flashing.	06:15
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: nope it didn't work	06:16
EruditeHermit	damn SSU	06:19
EruditeHermit	ruining my tablet	06:19
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bef0rd	it seems like there are some cables with 4 pins, and others with 5 pins, could you check if yours has 5?	06:23
EruditeHermit	yes it has 5 pins	06:24
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EruditeHermit	bef0rd: actually, does your cable have 5 pins that stick out?	06:26
EruditeHermit	bef0rd: my cable only has 5 pins that are attached to some plastic enclosing the top part of the plug	06:27
EruditeHermit	they aren't actual pins like you would see in a VGA cable	06:27
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EruditeHermit	more like contacts in a standard USB type A	06:27
dick-richardson	that's what the mini usb cable should look like	06:28
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EruditeHermit	how long is the warranty on a tablet?	06:30
GeneralAntilles	1 year.	06:31
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:31
EruditeHermit	maybe I can get a replacement if this doesn't work	06:31
dick-richardson	I've had no problems with nokia support, give 'em a call	06:31
bef0rd	http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/1/2948/28/3074917.jpg	06:32
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EruditeHermit	hmm	06:32
EruditeHermit	it looks like the one on the left	06:32
GeneralAntilles	That's Micro	06:33
dick-richardson	and only works with the n810	06:33
GeneralAntilles	EruditeHermit, personally, I don't think there's anything wrong that you can't fix.	06:34
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:34
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: any other ideas for resolving it or do you think its the cable?	06:35
EruditeHermit	btw thanks guys for helping me	06:35
GeneralAntilles	Cable or the low battery.	06:35
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: if you are out of ideas, I will wait till I get home 2 days from now	06:35
GeneralAntilles	I'd try leaving it plugged in for a while.	06:35
GeneralAntilles	even if it's looping.	06:35
bef0rd	oh I thought it was a n810	06:35
EruditeHermit	n800	06:35
EruditeHermit	sorry if I didn't make it clear	06:36
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: if it is not charging, the looping may drain battery and stop me from ever solving it right?	06:37
GeneralAntilles	I wouldn't think so, but I can't guarantee it.	06:37
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: it was a full battery before all this, and I haven't allowed it to loop for long	06:37
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: I keep taking the battery out soon after I see it is looping	06:38
EruditeHermit	I think it is more likely the cable than the battery	06:38
EruditeHermit	its annoying that it partially boots the tablet to charge it	06:39
GeneralAntilles	True of just about all consumer electronics.	06:40
EruditeHermit	laptops don't	06:42
dick-richardson	because the circuitry is separate	06:42
GeneralAntilles	I want some DIP switches for the RD flags for the retro factor.	06:44
EruditeHermit	DIP switches?	06:46
ricko73	EruditeHermit: you've never heard of a DIP switch?	06:46
EruditeHermit	nope	06:46
ricko73	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIP_switch	06:46
dick-richardson	here comes the "back in my day" stories	06:47
ricko73	old skool	06:47
dick-richardson	I had to punch cards and put telephones on rubber recepticles.	06:47
ricko73	your music probably came on 4-track	06:48
dick-richardson	I remember blowing the glass for my first monochrome crt	06:48
EruditeHermit	lol	06:48
ricko73	my dad has a reel to reel with a built in 4 track recorder	06:49
dick-richardson	and we liked it that way	06:49
ricko73	was that before or after you walked to school up hill both ways through 3 feet of snow in the middle of July?	06:50
dick-richardson	wrapping barbed wire around our bare feet for traction	06:50
ricko73	(with cardboard on your feet because you couldn't afford shoes)	06:50
EruditeHermit	definitely after	06:50
GeneralAntilles	Oh! Oh! Tell us about the foxes!	06:50
ricko73	anyway, time for bed	06:51
ricko73	I did show off my n810 at BarcampMilwaukee	06:51
ricko73	toted it around all weekend	06:51
EruditeHermit	what is a cold flash?	06:51
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ricko73	toted means carried it around.	06:52
GeneralAntilles	EruditeHermit, it's a lower-level recovery mode.	06:53
GeneralAntilles	Let's you flash stuff when the bootloader is trashed.	06:53
GeneralAntilles	but your bootloader is just fine.	06:53
EruditeHermit	hmm	06:54
EruditeHermit	I really think its the cable then	06:54
* EruditeHermit must never forget his cable again		06:57
GeneralAntilles	EruditeHermit, also, install fanoush's bootmenu next time.	06:57
GeneralAntilles	Even if you don't dual-boot, it's still useful for giving you a usbnet console to fix stuff with.	06:58
GeneralAntilles	Alternatively, you could clone a small install to one of your SD cards as a recovery partition.	06:58
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EruditeHermit	I just hope that I can fix this and that I don't have to call nokia	07:00
GeneralAntilles	Extremely unlikely.	07:01
dick-richardson	can I get audible notification for new mail?	07:02
GeneralAntilles	Hrm	07:02
GeneralAntilles	You can get a visual notification.	07:02
dick-richardson	got that	07:03
dick-richardson	and audible+visual for new chats	07:03
GeneralAntilles	I don't know of a configuration for an audible notification for email.	07:03
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GeneralAntilles	You could hook into dbus to trigger your own	07:03
GeneralAntilles	Then go file an enhancement request.	07:03
dick-richardson	Not really worth either...just an idle consideration	07:05
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Macer	hm... does xfce use a composite wm?	07:27
RST38h	afaik not	07:29
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Luria	hi, does anyone use ubuntu eee?	07:44
Luria	oops	07:44
Luria	sorry wrong channel	07:44
GAN800	RST38h, what's the default scaling in windowed mode for VGBA?	07:45
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Prez00	hello	07:57
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solmumaha	morning	08:57
tigert	mrn	09:00
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tekojo	Morning!	09:34
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tigert	o/	10:04
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RST38h	moo tigert	10:15
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nomis	moin.	10:37
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tigert	moin	10:48
nomis	tigert: \o/	10:48
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nomis	hi dave.	10:48
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tigert	hi simon	10:51
nomis	tigert: remember our discussion at the summit? This is the Game I was talking about: http://members.chello.at/theodor.lauppert/games/ishido.htm	10:54
tigert	nomis: ok	10:55
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nomis	Mhm, I at some point had a site with lots of screenshots and different themes. I don't find it anymore.	10:57
tigert	looks like mahjong	10:57
nomis	http://www.rawgamer.com/img/magnifier/?fn=dos_pc/i/ishido-the-way-of-stones/screen/ishido-the-way-of-stones-0002.jpg is a nice theme as well.	10:58
nomis	it is kind of inverse-mahjong. You have to place down stones in matching positions.	10:59
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nomis	I have the game logic in place in a working mockup, but it needs some maemo-porting and tuning-for-touch.	11:01
nomis	(as well as score keeping and stuff)	11:01
tigert	yea	11:07
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lishevita	good morning, world...	11:19
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mouser-	good morning lishevita	11:32
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arachnist	hi	11:37
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arachnist	where does icd2 store its saved connection settings?	11:37
arachnist	i need to set aes cypher for the wifi at my work, and the ui doesn't show an option for it anywhere	11:38
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johnx	arachnist, likely in gconf	11:58
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RST38h	moo, johnx	12:07
johnx	m00f!	12:07
GeneralAntilles	Clarus!	12:08
RST38h	GAN: iTT has got another "Diablo sucks" thread - I am sure you will be delighted =)	12:09
GeneralAntilles	He's not much of a troll.	12:09
RST38h	Beats "5 second boot" one hands down	12:09
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RST38h	Well, he is not clinically insane like Darius, if you meant that	12:10
GeneralAntilles	That thread is basically a clone of 2 or 3 others.	12:11
GeneralAntilles	Been there, done that.	12:11
GeneralAntilles	Bored with the "ur just a bunch of stoopid geeks" routine.	12:11
johnx	GeneralAntilles, http://www.avernus.com/~allon/clarus.jpeg	12:11
GeneralAntilles	johnx, <3	12:12
johnx	RST38h, i smiled at that one til he said "I've been a windows admin for xx years" then I just broke out laughing	12:13
Jaffa	Yay. Did we have real concrete confirmation of A2DP and AVRCP being out-of-the-box working in fremantle before?	12:13
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, it was mentioned during the summit.	12:13
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RST38h	johnx: He is either joking or he is an MSSP	12:18
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johnx	or MCSE or another one of the bazillion 4 letter acronyms	12:19
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RST38h	Isn't it like a really BAD thing to boast about on an interview?	12:20
GeneralAntilles	They usually seem to be Microsoft something or others when they come out of the gate ranting and raving like that.	12:20
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johnx	it's a frustrating experience for them to learn that all those years figuring out windows' little quirks didn't actually teach them about what goes on behind the scenes in a computer	12:21
GeneralAntilles	I wonder how many of them are actually certified and not just bringing it up because they thing it'll impress people.	12:22
RST38h	Well, he can always buy an HTC WinMo device. Has anyone suggested him that?	12:22
RST38h	GAN: Oh they are all certified, it does not take much	12:23
johnx	RST38h, he just wants to rant and make personal attacks on his perceived tormenters	12:23
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	12:23
RST38h	johnx: torment him more!!!	12:23
GeneralAntilles	Well, my point was not that it's a difficult thing to attain, only that some of them seem more like dumb children who thing it's an impressive thing to have.	12:23
johnx	heh	12:24
GeneralAntilles	s/thing/think/	12:24
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Well, my point was not that it's a difficult think to attain, only that some of them seem more like dumb children who thing it's an impressive thing to have.	12:24
johnx	they do. they're the guy everyone goes to for advice on their own little island	12:24
* GeneralAntilles <- dumb children who doesn't know how to type.		12:24
johnx	they're king of their backyard	12:24
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* GeneralAntilles is king of johnx's backyard.		12:27
johnx	O_o	12:27
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Stskeeps	johnx: brilliant post on "diablo blows" :P	12:37
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johnx	yeah, that might catch a lot of flack from windows users, but I'm ready to back it up	12:37
AstralSt	hmmh?	12:38
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johnx	AStorm, ITT drama. It was funny so I jumped in	12:38
AStorm	linky?	12:38
AStorm	because, diablo indeed is unpolished	12:38
johnx	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24089	12:38
AStorm	but not all that bad	12:39
johnx	AStorm, and if he said "diablo is unpolished" instead of making personal attacks on anyone who posted, it would have gone better for him	12:39
AStorm	btw, I'm getting a message about pidgin 2.5.1 being broken	12:40
AStorm	I mean, broken .deb	12:40
AStorm	maemo-extras, diablo	12:40
Stskeeps	AStorm: size mismatch?	12:40
AStorm	probably yes	12:41
Stskeeps	3rd person in two days then	12:41
Stskeeps	i wonder if maemo-extras has FS corruption or something :)	12:41
AStorm	heh	12:41
AStorm	or just broken network connection	12:41
RST38h	AStorm: Well, it is not unpolished enough to grant such a reaction	12:42
arachnist	what are the chances of browser not working after latest diablo update?	12:42
AStorm	some people are overly emotional about such imperfect things as OSes	12:42
AStorm	arachnist: here it works	12:42
AStorm	as in, works better than earlier	12:43
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arachnist	here it hangs at startup with the "updating" thingny in the upper-right corner	12:43
arachnist	oh	12:43
AStorm	also, modest finally no longer crashes in the background check	12:43
arachnist	and i have to start /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server by hand	12:44
AStorm	weird, that shouldn't be needed	12:44
AStorm	how did you upgrade? full reflash?	12:44
AStorm	also, n800 or n810?	12:44
arachnist	n800	12:44
arachnist	and i just ran apt-get dist-upgrade	12:44
AStorm	wrong! :)	12:45
johnx	aaah	12:45
AStorm	this might break stuff	12:45
arachnist	reflash?	12:45
RST38h	AStorm: OSes are just large, yellow, striped flies.	12:45
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AStorm	RST38h: no, those are wasps ;P	12:45
arachnist	AStorm: ssu didn't work the way it was intended to work? ;>	12:45
AStorm	or bees ;)	12:45
Stskeeps	arachnist: seamless my ass	12:45
Stskeeps	:P	12:45
AStorm	arachnist: ssu works since diablo	12:45
AStorm	:)	12:46
AStorm	you get to update manually to diablo itself	12:46
GeneralAntilles	arachnist, SSU works just fine the way it was INTENDED.	12:46
RST38h	AStorm: Osa (russian) - wasp	12:46
GeneralAntilles	arachnist, apt-get dist-upgrade is not how it was intended.	12:46
AStorm	RST38h: same in Polish, yup ;)	12:46
arachnist	GeneralAntilles: it was intended to be upgraded with that app manager?	12:47
AStorm	arachnist: so, flash diablo, then just use that application manager - this is SSU	12:47
GeneralAntilles	arachnist, yes.	12:47
arachnist	hrm	12:47
GeneralAntilles	It'll likely be up to speed for a clean dist-upgrade without issue soon enough	12:47
GeneralAntilles	but Nokia management isn't exactly agile.	12:47
AStorm	heh heh	12:47
RST38h	Nokia is said to be one of the most bureaucratic companies in Europe	12:48
AStorm	definitely wrong :)	12:48
AStorm	most likely less bureaucratic than most others	12:48
AStorm	e.g. simple TP s.a. AKA Orange Poland ;)	12:48
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RST38h	Cellular providers cannot participate in the competition	12:49
RST38h	They are SO FAR ahead of all of us in this aspect...	12:49
AStorm	hehe	12:49
AStorm	can academic institutions participate?	12:49
AStorm	because then, we win	12:50
RST38h	Not really - most of them are pretty good once you puncture the surface	12:50
AStorm	I had to enter 3 forms today :>	12:50
RST38h	it's normal, I have lost count of forms circa 1993	12:50
AStorm	then, we get labs where we actually write project bureaucracy^Wdocumentation	12:50
AStorm	according to some expensive IEEE norm	12:51
RST38h	But any place that has pieces of paper in the halls saying "Please, do not leave packages with radioactive materials in the hallway" is mighty good	12:51
AStorm	heh	12:51
AStorm	here, you have to check them in with a form	12:51
AStorm	good we don't have to fill one just to enter the lab	12:52
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AStorm	mind you, this isn't any plutonium or uranium	12:53
AStorm	just simple cesium and cobalt isotopes	12:53
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GeneralAntilles	Ha. No wonder the tablet was refusing to charge. Left HAVA on.	13:01
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ShadowJK	hm, advanced backlight doesn't play nice with the "normal" backlight stuff.. Like, I switch it entirely off with advanced applet, then shine light at the light sensor, and it comes back on :P	13:03
johnx	ShadowJK, buy rm_you an n810 so he can work on it :)	13:03
GeneralAntilles	Switch what off?	13:03
GeneralAntilles	johnx, more like find the dsme/mce sourcecode.	13:03
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, the backlight, off	13:04
johnx	GeneralAntilles, it's not that interesting really. the problem is that nokia's stuff depends on it	13:04
ShadowJK	There's probably a daemon or bit in the kernel that reads the ambient light level and adjust backlight strength based on the settings in the "normal" backlight applet or control panel setting...	13:05
ShadowJK	So whatever setting I make with the advanced backlight applet stays in effect only as long as ambient light level stays the same	13:05
GeneralAntilles	johnx, well, that code will let us play with light sensor logic for the backlight without having to either A. re-implement or B. step all over Nokia's code.	13:06
Stskeeps	DSME is just a framework though..	13:06
Stskeeps	the modules that it loads are the things that makes it tick	13:06
johnx	I guess if it's open source we can just take it out and replace it with a neutered one that receives the same signals but doesn't do anything	13:06
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, there are more details on the wiki about what's being released with DSME.	13:06
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Stskeeps	url?	13:07
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, wiki.maemo.org	13:07
GeneralAntilles	check the recent changes	13:07
GeneralAntilles	johnx, or slap a configuration front-end on it so everybody's happy.	13:07
AStorm	ShadowJK: yes, advanced backlight doesn't override that daemon	13:07
AStorm	ShadowJK: set original backlight to zero	13:07
AStorm	someone should extend adv. backlight with light sensor support	13:08
AStorm	maybe I'll do it later, it's a tiny hack	13:08
ShadowJK	you can't set original to 0 though?	13:08
GeneralAntilles	AStorm, problem isn't implementing the support, but dealing with Nokia's code.	13:08
AStorm	isn't it dme that's setting original backlight?	13:08
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: well, you can poll proc	13:08
AStorm	that's enough	13:08
ShadowJK	poll it and override whenever nokia's software has changed it? heh	13:09
GeneralAntilles	If adv-backlight is acting on the light sensor input, and Nokia's code is acting on the light sensor input, then they'll just fight eachother.	13:09
AStorm	and disable the internal backlight by setting it to lowest level (in control panel)	13:09
GeneralAntilles	Which doesn't work.	13:09
ShadowJK	I guess inotify doesn't work for /sys...	13:09
AStorm	ShadowJK: no, you don't have to	13:09
AStorm	because if you set it to lowest level, autocontrol is disabled	13:09
ShadowJK	ah	13:09
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lcuk_remote	is there an irc command to check the temp of a user?	13:12
lcuk_remote	i wanna know if my home is burnin down :S vnc are failed :(	13:12
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: thats a boring oss release	13:13
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, token open sourcing.	13:13
GeneralAntilles	I'm gonna complain about it.	13:13
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: most of that is already reverse engineered	13:13
Stskeeps	but	13:14
GeneralAntilles	Well, we can ship patches with the community edition that'll play nice with the rest of the Nokia stuff without having to play cat and mouse, I guess.	13:14
Stskeeps	if they document all dsme protocol, that would be good	13:14
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Stskeeps	then oss dsme would be good and some closed modules is fait	13:16
Stskeeps	fair	13:16
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GAN800	andre___, any word on the templates for garage tracking? :(	13:24
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dfaure	many instructions mention "deb http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ diablo extras" for getting qt4, but this repo doesn't seem to exist anymore	13:27
GAN800	It's all in Extras/Extras-devek	13:27
GAN800	~extras	13:27
infobot	methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras	13:28
dfaure	I got it from repository.maemo.org but qmake --version segfaults (this is in scratchbox, using target DIABLO_ARMEL)	13:28
dfaure	it's an ARM binary though...	13:29
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andre___	GAN800, uhm, not really... guenther was working on that :-/	13:30
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GAN800	Be cool to have it in time for Canola's open source launch.	13:31
macoute_	is Canola going to be open sourced?	13:32
macoute_	sounds nice	13:32
macoute_	THEN I'd start using it ;)	13:33
* dfaure removes the ~marijn repo and reinstalls qt4		13:33
GAN800	macoute_, like it really matters? INdT is probably one of the biggest single open source contributors to the platform.	13:33
macoute_	GAN800: I never use closed source alternatives if I have a chance	13:34
macoute_	so to me, it really matters	13:34
GAN800	Meh, it's not like they're some giant proprietary software company.	13:35
GAN800	if it weren't for the Canola guys, we wouldn't have Python, soooo. . . .	13:35
macoute_	I'm not saying that Canola guys are like MS, but I want to support open source alternatives every time i have a chance. Now I do with Canola as well :)	13:36
GeneralAntilles	andre___, when's guenther gonna be active again?	13:38
andre___	he was in Helsinki last week, I hope to find out this week, too	13:38
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thopiekar	hi @ all^^	13:52
thopiekar	could someone please tell me how to connect a rtcomm(2) with the osso_xterm?	13:53
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Mek	dfaure: the qt packages require a newer qemu than is by default enabled in scratchbox; although I thought the qt packages post-install script nowadays automatically enabled the cvs-m version of qemu in scratchbox	13:55
Mek	dfaure: having said that, the cvs-m version of qemu that comes with scratchbox is not fully capable of running cmake :)	13:58
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lcuk	ouchy!	14:03
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lcuk	crashanddie, you idling?	14:06
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crashanddie	lcuk, nerd drumming and working out, why?	14:08
GAN800	<_<	14:09
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crashanddie	lcuk2, ?	14:11
lcuk2	hiya, internets a bit choppy today	14:11
crashanddie	lcuk2, I abandoned Virgin :P	14:12
crashanddie	I'm with BT now :)	14:12
crashanddie	Much better service, plus, it's free :) My neighbour is such a kind man (even though he doesn't really know this)	14:12
* aquatix refrains from the virgin jokes		14:14
aquatix	crashanddie: ah, neighbour service, nice :)	14:14
crashanddie	aquatix, Yeah, not a virgin anymore since a few days \o/	14:14
macoute_	but BT from neighbour?	14:14
aquatix	crashanddie: grats ;)	14:14
crashanddie	:D	14:15
macoute_	I usually use WLAN from neighbours?	14:15
crashanddie	hang on	14:15
lcuk2	lol crashanddie you might not be virgin anymore, but you are still inexperienced :P	14:15
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crashanddie	lcuk2, I have more experience that you in certain domains :P	14:15
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GAN800	lol	14:15
crashanddie	that's the neighbour	14:16
lcuk	crashand1ie, yes, experienced in quick escapes :D	14:16
* lcuk checks his mail		14:17
* lcuk checks his mail		14:17
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crashand2ie	and that's my house :)	14:18
lcuk	hang on - that says ntl :P	14:18
crashanddie	well yeah	14:19
lcuk	you are still a virgin	14:19
crashanddie	The flatmates in my house still have their virgin account	14:19
crashanddie	But I use the neighbour's BT :)	14:19
* lcuk laffs heartily and gets in trouble for havin fun		14:19
macoute_	but what is BT? Bluetooth?	14:20
macoute_	British Telecom :)	14:20
macoute_	ah. damn me	14:20
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crashanddie	btw, big lol: "sebastian, you have to pay your internet for this month" "erhm, no I don't use the wifi anymore" "but... but... you're on GTalk right now" "let me rephrase that, I'm not on your wifi anymore" "oh..."	14:20
aquatix	lcuk: don't drink coffee while laughing, it'll only spill the good stuff	14:21
crashanddie	they "changed the password", I love it how people change the passphrase for their wifi network, but don't change the password for the router setup...	14:21
aquatix	haha	14:21
GAN800	Haaa	14:21
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GAN800	You need to install some fun scripts. :P	14:22
* aquatix had a neighbour's open wifi network bridged for a while when his adsl wasn't connected yet		14:22
aquatix	gotta love my wrt :)	14:22
lcuk	aquatix, ive wasted the black oil on numerous keyboards in the past - as long as you strain it out with your teeth you can just pour it out of the corner of the kb	14:22
crashanddie	I mean, I'm in the same house as them... Do they really believe I'm that ethical I won't connect my laptop in ethernet on the router? Djeezus	14:22
aquatix	:)	14:22
crashanddie	Btw, I just realised something	14:23
crashanddie	You know the cliché there always is in american movies?	14:23
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macoute_	aquatix: thats a good way to get a weak signal to work better :)	14:23
aquatix	macoute_: indeed :)	14:23
crashanddie	About the French villain who has a week-old beard, and smokes?	14:23
aquatix	macoute_: even put a key on it ;)	14:23
macoute_	done that too :)	14:23
macoute_	aquatix: :D	14:23
crashanddie	well sadly, that cliché is exactly me	14:23
aquatix	crashanddie: you realised it's you?	14:23
aquatix	lol	14:24
GAN800	crashanddie, I'm not familiar with that one. :P	14:24
GAN800	Ha	14:24
crashanddie	GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vDo2jDTOE	14:26
dfaure	Mek: sigh, this is all a lot more complex than it should be :(	14:26
dfaure	when I got the 2007 version of the toolchain that was too recent for the maemo sdk...	14:27
lcuk	crashand1ie, i would put up with hot grits down my pants to be that close to natalie portman	14:27
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, but that's not an American movie. :P	14:27
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, don't be a creeper.	14:28
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, how could you blame him?	14:28
lcuk	ok, maybe not in that movie, but natalie portman in herself is hot hot hot	14:28
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, she's a cutiepie	14:28
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, I'd doggystyle her earrings off if I was given the chance	14:28
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, yes, it was mostly the context of that movie that made it so wrong. :P	14:29
lcuk	gawd crashanddie go n have a hot shower, while you are at it, have a shave	14:29
crashanddie	with her perfect lips, her impossible hips, and her star wars background	14:29
crashanddie	she's a nerd wet dream	14:29
GeneralAntilles	Smart, too.	14:30
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dfaure	so, back to maemo, how does one get a working qt4?	14:33
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Mek	dfaure: do you want it just for qmake based projects, or will you also be using cmake? :)	14:33
dfaure	Mek: I'll be using cmake, obviously	14:34
Mek	dfaure: than you're best chance currently is to build your own qemu from http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/	14:34
dfaure	and if I wait a week do you think things will be better? ;-)	14:34
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dfaure	this isn't my most pressing task right now, I just thought I could let kde compile while working, seems it's not that simple.	14:36
Mek	dfaure: I doubt it... I believe someone at nokia is working on/will be working on getting cmake and the various qt development tools natively in scratchbox without using emulation for them, but I don't know how long that will take to be done...	14:36
lcuk_remote	http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/	14:37
lcuk_remote	probably find more info there..	14:37
aquatix	lcuk: hot shower? i think crashanddie needs some cold water to cool down ;)	14:38
Mek	lcuk_remote: the problem currently is is that there is no qemu version that can run both the (vfp enabled) qt binaries and cmake...	14:38
lcuk_remote	but its cold in the uk	14:38
lcuk_remote	mek, ewww why do you need to run emulated? do we not have devices to test these things on?	14:39
* lcuk_remote cannot see the point of designing software for a device but not eating own dogfood		14:39
dfaure	well to compile the stuff...	14:39
Mek	lcuk_remote: you don't want to build kde on the device itself...	14:39
Mek	(well, I don't want to :P)	14:39
lcuk_remote	How can I port a Qt application in maemo?	14:39
GAN800	Might be done sometime next year.	14:40
lcuk_remote	You need only to compile it in the SDK env.	14:40
lcuk_remote	thats fine, it says its possible	14:40
dfaure	http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 confirms what Mek says	14:40
dfaure	lol, obviously.	14:40
Mek	:)	14:40
dfaure	sounds like I'll just wait for the next qemu release then	14:40
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lcuk_remote	alas, poor lcuk, i knew him...	14:41
Mek	or the next scratchbox release...	14:41
dfaure	Mek: so if you're the one behind the ~marijn repository; why have duplicated qt4 packages there if they're on maemo extras now? that was a bit confusing too	14:42
lcuk_remote	i thought people have been building and testing and running and porting and doing stuff in qt already, was i wrong?	14:42
Mek	dfaure: ah, I guess I should remove them; they are just a leftover from the time when the official qt4 packages were too old for kde	14:43
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crashanddie	GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w1MkjmbdHUM	14:44
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crashanddie	GAN800, american movie, french actor poorly shaven and smoking	14:44
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Mek	dfaure: okay, no more qt packages in my own repository :)	14:44
GAN800	crashanddie, :P	14:44
GAN800	South Park is also a fair example.	14:45
lcuk_remote	crashanddie: did you just spend 20 minutes searching youtube for "unshaven french actors"?	14:45
crashanddie	French characters are always depicted like this: either very slick, charming, and thus, utterly gay, or very rough, rude, insulting, smoking and unshaven	14:45
crashanddie	lcuk_remote, nha, I took a shower too	14:45
* dfaure is a mix of both kinds though		14:45
dfaure	slick and unshaven :-)	14:46
Mek	rude insulting and utterly gay?	14:46
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aquatix	:)	14:46
dfaure	ah! your repo has what I'm looking for, in fact. korganizer on the n810, here it comes.	14:47
aquatix	might even be slightly interesting to have jpilot on the n8x0	14:47
lcuk_remote	back later	14:47
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Mek	it is a bit old revision though I think (also there are lots of sreenshots on kde.garage.maemo.org)	14:47
dfaure	a working calendar is better than screenshots ;)	14:48
Mek	true	14:48
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RST38h	Anything new and exciting? Floods? Mass executions? Plague epidemic?	14:50
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aquatix	only some overheated crashanddie	14:51
crashanddie	eh?	14:51
aquatix	something to do with a cute actress ;)	14:52
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RST38h	Oh yes, I knew somebody delivered entertainment: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/06/audacious_tattoo_plan/	14:53
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crashanddie	aquatix, fuck off :D	14:55
RST38h	Also in the news: Trigger-happy Welsh cops taser sheep	14:55
crashanddie	I need to stop talking in here, you guys don't forget fast enough	14:55
crashanddie	RST38h, bloody sheep lovers	14:55
aquatix	crashanddie: ;)	14:56
crashanddie	omg, I really sound like an english bastard	14:56
aquatix	RST38h: wtf	14:56
aquatix	ghehe	14:56
crashanddie	anyway, time to try and get some fags, see you later	14:56
RST38h	aquatix: Who knows...	14:57
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dfaure	there's no /etc/apt/sources.list by default on the device? surprising	15:07
GeneralAntilles	/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list	15:07
dfaure	ah ic, thanks	15:07
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dfaure	is it ok if osso-software-version-rx44 gets removed?	15:10
GeneralAntilles	What are you installing?	15:11
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dfaure	apt-get upgrade says "libdb4.2 libxml2 shared-mime-info" are to be upgraded, but installing those removes osso-software-version-rx44	15:12
dfaure	yep just installing libdb4.2 does that	15:13
dfaure	4.2.52+dfsg-2 from repository.maemo.org diablo/free	15:13
Mace`	hm	15:16
Mace`	kde 4.1.2 is actually quite nice	15:16
Mace`	the menu sucks for it but i'm able to deal with that :)	15:16
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dfaure	hmm korganizer is running, but shows no window	15:28
dfaure	ah worked the 2nd time	15:29
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dfaure	it's launched with a %U argument, which is wrong.	15:29
dfaure	%U is ok in a desktop file's Exec line, but the entry in maemo's menu shouldn't use that	15:29
Mek	yeah, I never even looked into how the maemo menu stuff works; that kde apps show up there at all is pure luck :)	15:31
dfaure	ah, and '/' being full doesn't help.	15:32
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dfaure	Mek: how did you solve the space issue? moved /usr to /media/mmc2?	15:33
GAN800	Please dear god no	15:33
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GAN800	~boot-sd	15:33
Mek	dfaure: you can boot from the 2GB internal storage (after reformatting/cloning the rootfs there)	15:34
Mek	~clone-sd	15:34
GAN800	~boot-sd	15:34
GAN800	infobot!	15:34
dfaure	ah cloning means that the orig apps will still be there, good.	15:34
macoute_	am i still correct when i said that there is no s60 3rd support in any open source program (like gnokii, gammu etc)?	15:35
GAN800	http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card	15:35
macoute_	so that you cant use e51 with your n810	15:35
aquatix	oh? that'd suck :/	15:35
* aquatix was thinking about getting an e71		15:35
RST38h	depends on what you want to do with them	15:36
RST38h	e51 works very well as an uplink provider	15:36
dfaure	GAN800: thanks	15:36
macoute_	to check contacts, sms's etc	15:36
RST38h	aquatix: you don't wanna wait for e72 with a decent keyboard?	15:36
macoute_	RST38h: of course you can use that as a bt modem, that is true	15:36
RST38h	macoute: Afaik, contacts,sms,etc use standard bt-based api so it will work with gnokii	15:36
crashanddie	w00t	15:36
crashanddie	/usr/bin/scratchbox: line 227: 1087 Segmentation fault	15:37
aquatix	RST38h: wasn't the e72 just the US e71?	15:37
macoute_	RST38h: not with s60 3rd edition, dont know why...	15:37
aquatix	the e75 has a slide-out kb though	15:37
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macoute_	s60 3rd edition breakes binary compability with older devices completely	15:38
macoute_	due the "security improvements"	15:39
macoute_	;)	15:39
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aquatix	yeah, forcing signed binaries and such	15:40
aquatix	laudable, but annoying	15:40
macoute_	its quite as secure as the current browsers yelling about self-signed certificates	15:41
macoute_	i hate it	15:41
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hrw	where is that 'NOKIA' screen defined on n8x0 boot?	15:42
macoute_	it seems as self-siigned certs are MORE insecure than sites with no sertificate at all	15:42
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aquatix	macoute_: yeah, that's really annoying	15:42
aquatix	Fx3 is wrong on that point imho	15:42
aquatix	hrw: splash something?	15:42
GAN800	hrw, /usr/share/icons somewhere	15:43
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GAN800	qgn_nokiahands...	15:43
hrw	GAN800: thx	15:43
hrw	and that one used in initfs?	15:44
GAN800	hrw, the first blue Nokia is on one of the other partitions.	15:44
GAN800	Not sure where.	15:44
hrw	k	15:44
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dfaure	can someone replace cd /home/user/local/bin with cd /home/user/bin in "Clone to the card" in http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Booting_from_a_flash_card&action=edit&section=9 ?	16:33
dfaure	that's where the above instructions said to download the stuff ;)	16:34
GAN800	It's a wiki	16:34
dfaure	yeah and it says I'm blocked because anonymous...	16:34
GAN800	https:	16:34
inz	What's the best way to push data to OSM from a maemo device?	16:34
dfaure	GAN800: oh thanks, that wasn't clear from the err msg ("over HTTP")	16:35
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GAN800	dfaure, we were getting slaughtered by spammers.	16:35
dfaure	hmm this nupgrade.sh script is looking at a the wrong device....	16:36
GAN800	mmcblk0 is internal	16:37
dfaure	it says /dev/mmcb1k1: No such file or directory	16:37
dfaure	and indeed /media/mmc2 is /dev/mmcblk0p1 here	16:38
dfaure	isn't that where I want nupgrade to create a filesystem?	16:39
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dfaure	milhouse: ping	16:41
dfaure	ah I see. internal doesn't mean what I thought it means ;)	16:43
dfaure	Mek: is that what you did, to reformat /dev/mmcblk0p1 as ext2?	16:45
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Stskeepz	dfaure: there's a bug where mmcblk0 != internal and mmcblk1 != external always	16:52
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dfaure	heh, why could it ever be simple ;-) Well there's no external sd card here, this is an off-the-shelf N810.	16:53
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dfaure	success! reformatted p1, booted on it, finished install, korg runs.	17:32
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dfaure	creating the event dialog takes a very long time though.	17:33
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RST38h	DOW 9864	18:04
RST38h	Umgh	18:04
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crashanddie	hahahahahahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/mariage-premiere-danse.html	18:10
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GeneralAntilles	Did anybody catch that "Show all packages" and "Show magic packages" will be disabled by default in Red Pill?	18:11
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lopz	hola	18:17
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johnx	huh...the feature upgrade showed up again :/	18:44
RST38h	maybe it is a new one?	18:44
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qwerty12	Nah, no diablo-3 :P	18:45
qwerty12	I think it's due to them actally putting someting in the diablo-3 folder and we all know how much apt gets boners over something of the same version but from a different repo	18:46
RST38h	heh	18:47
johnx	qwerty12, ah, good call	18:49
crashanddie	added bonus from being on the neighbour's network, your internet doesn't go down when workers cut the power in your house !	18:49
johnx	yup, same version	18:49
qwerty12	:)	18:49
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RST38h	a drawback is the opportunity of being arrested in a few overly civilized countries	18:50
qwerty12	crashanddie, I think my neighbours realised after a week I cracked their wifi. I think they changed the ssid, keys and made it hidden. And that AP was always on	18:51
crashanddie	qwerty12, I'm very subtle, I don't download, I don't do crazy shit	18:51
crashanddie	I mean, IRC/SMN and surfing is hardly noticeable	18:51
johnx	crashanddie, just upload?	18:51
qwerty12	crashanddie, Ah, now see, that's where I fail...	18:52
qwerty12	Though I refrained from loading up Utorrent	18:52
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jiiv	Morning all.	18:56
qwerty12	afternoon	18:56
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nemo	qwerty12: well. I'm sure their router, if they ever visit it, reports computers on their network	19:10
nemo	qwerty12: I imagine seeing yours on there freaked 'em out	19:10
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RST38h	if they know what a router is	19:11
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qwerty12	nemo, I have the same router as well and by default, it has no password set so I was able to go into it and delete records of me being there. I don't know if they checked it often because all the settings was at the default. The wireless operation light on the router is pretty shit too. My old netgear flashed depending on the activity, this router just flashes the led once at normal speed to show operation.	19:12
nemo	qwerty12: yeah, but unless you altered the router to not report you on the web page	19:12
nemo	qwerty12: all it'd take is someone signing on at any time	19:13
nemo	qwerty12: and your computer being active	19:13
nemo	but. maybe someone came by and secured their router.	19:13
nemo	unrelated to you	19:13
qwerty12	Like I said, it's evident they hardly checked it. For me, them discovering it after a week was fine to me as I only needed it for about 4 days while my broadband was getting changed to another provider.	19:13
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nemo	qwerty12: most of my neighbours use WEP-64	19:19
nemo	'cept for one that is just open.	19:19
nemo	so. can pretty much pick n choose	19:19
qwerty12	Heh, a few years ago, most networks here were open (except for mine of course) but now, it's a different story. Mainly due to the router manufacturers setting default keys rather than the owners of the router setting them...	19:21
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thopiekar	please check this thread out:	19:29
thopiekar	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24106	19:29
thopiekar	thanks!	19:29
Kegetys	np	19:30
Mek	perhaps if you actually mentioned why someone should check that thread out/what it is about someone might actually do that...	19:30
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thopiekar	its about an missing serial module of "python for maemo"	19:31
yonkeltron	is it true that the nokia 810 only supports up to 8gb?	19:32
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yonkeltron	of storage, sorry	19:33
* thopiekar don't know it but has got 8gb on his n95^^		19:33
Stskeepz	yonkeltron: i've heard of 32gb sdhc though	19:33
Mek	8gb + the 2gb that is built in, so at least 10gb in total :P	19:33
Kegetys	you could plug in an external 1TB USB drive if you want :)	19:34
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yonkeltron	hehe	19:34
yonkeltron	i am just debating the purchase of one but i'd like to use it as an mp3 player	19:34
yonkeltron	well, ogg really	19:35
yonkeltron	but still	19:35
Stskeepz	yonkeltron: think most people can say they love their tablets here :P	19:36
summatusmentis	yonkeltron: the battery life isn't good enough to be used as a media player really	19:36
qwerty12	MY TABLET IS A POS! I HATE IT, I'M GONNA BURN THE FUCKER	19:36
Stskeepz	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23205 mentions stuff about 32gb stuff	19:37
Stskeepz	qwerty12: no charger yet?	19:37
qwerty12	Stskeepz, lol, not yet :P	19:37
Stskeepz	i suspect i might have broken mine in last tablet-cable-my leg on table collision	19:37
Stskeepz	the charger plug, that is	19:37
Stskeepz	the nokia is damn robust, imho :P	19:38
qwerty12	Thankfully, the tablets use a standard nokia charger so I ain't in shit trying to get a new one like I was for my pocket pc :)	19:38
qwerty12	For sure! :)	19:38
Stskeepz	yeah	19:38
EgS	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2368&d=1219863599 <-- what's that dockish-thing at the bottom of the screen?	19:39
Stskeepz	EgS: personal launcher maybe?	19:39
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EgS	Stskeepz: fancy... didn't knew it could do this	19:41
Stskeepz	drag at it	19:42
jiiv	stskeeps: finally have a bit of free time again, managed to get deblet booting. I really like the gui boot stuff, it's pretty.	19:42
Stskeepz	jiiv: the splash? :P	19:43
jiiv	indeed.	19:43
Stskeepz	hehe	19:43
jiiv	well, prettier than watching services start ;)	19:44
Stskeepz	jiiv: was it the EXT_ / INT_ problem?	19:44
jiiv	...and much prettier than a lockup or reboot :)	19:44
yonkeltron	Stskeepz: i heard 10 hours with the wifi off!	19:44
jiiv	i don't think so initially; i tried s/INT/EXT and also just mmcblk0p1/mmcblk1p1..i ended up just reinstalling over the weekend, then changing to EXT.	19:45
Stskeepz	ah	19:45
yonkeltron	Stskeepz: is the battery user replaceable?	19:45
Stskeepz	yonkeltron: yeah	19:46
Stskeepz	yonkeltron: it's a bp-5l	19:46
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yonkeltron	Stskeepz: i'm not familiar with the term	19:47
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yonkeltron	oh	19:47
johnx	standard nokia phone battery :)	19:47
jiiv	yonkeltron: fyi, there's also a 'double capacity' aftermarket battery, but it changes the form factor a bit.	19:47
qwerty12	bp-5l is the name we give to the rocket launcher inside the tablets	19:47
Stskeepz	yonkeltron: google	19:47
Stskeepz	:P	19:47
yonkeltron	qwerty12: good codename	19:48
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qwerty12	:P	19:48
yonkeltron	meh, i'm still paying through the nose for storage	19:49
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Stskeepz	neat, those batteries aren't that expensive :P	19:54
Stskeepz	if i manage to burn mine out	19:54
johnx	economics of scale are nice, huh?	19:54
johnx	but you need a bp-4l for an n810 I think	19:54
johnx	bp-5l is for the n800	19:55
yonkeltron	i meant data storage	19:55
yonkeltron	minsd and whatno	19:55
johnx	hope I didn't get that backwards...	19:55
Stskeepz	johnx: yeah, bp-5l looks like mine in my tablet	19:55
jiiv	johnx: believe you're correct.	19:56
Stskeepz	johnx: cheaper than a new tablet :P	19:56
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Stskeepz	johnx: koruou (?) looks interesting, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/kourou/ubuntu/annotate/6?file_id=kourou.py-20080922064852-7n22e6fl6neukt55-6	20:00
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lcuk2	crashanddie,	20:01
johnx	Stskeepz, it does. that's why I'm in the process of torturing my zaurus with ubuntu :)	20:01
Stskeepz	hehe	20:03
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thux	there came upgrade to install deblet, should i reinstall working deblet?	20:04
Stskeepz	thux: dpkg -l \| grep tablet-hw?	20:04
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thux	Stskeepz: i'm in diablo now have to reboot	20:07
Stskeepz	thux: well, dpkg -l deblet-installer then	20:11
Stskeepz	:P	20:11
Stskeepz	(in diablo)	20:12
Stskeepz	if it's a 2.*, don't bother reinstalling unless you want to install deblet in a file :)	20:12
Stskeepz	you can just apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade	20:12
Stskeepz	in deblet	20:12
Stskeepz	to upgrade to more recent versions	20:12
qwerty12	Stskeepz, now if that was me, by the time you had said that, I'd have already rebooted :P	20:12
Stskeepz	qwerty12: he has two options :P checking deblet-installer and then rebooting to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, or rebooting into deblet, and dpkg -l \| grep tablet-hw and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade	20:13
Stskeepz	P	20:13
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thux	Stskeeps: tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree 1.4	20:18
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Stskeeps	thux: good, you're running a sane deblet then :) you can as with any sane debian system just do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to follow upgrades	20:21
Stskeeps	no need to reinstall	20:21
thux	0k	20:22
Stskeeps	unless you're running deblet in a file and want a speedup, but that's avoidable too	20:22
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Stskeeps	anyone know of a good apt repository frontend?	20:23
Stskeeps	like packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com	20:23
thux	no i have partition	20:23
Stskeeps	good :	20:23
Stskeeps	:)	20:23
bef0rd	http://packages.debian.org/about/	20:24
Stskeeps	mm, wouldn't want to fight with mod_perl	20:25
bef0rd	perl is fun :P	20:27
Mousey	what about apt-proxy	20:27
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Stskeeps	just starting to loose overview what is in deblet repo already :P	20:28
Stskeeps	which is kinda shamefu	20:28
Stskeeps	l	20:28
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inz	As much as I hate repeating questions on irc, I'll do it (just this once, I promise): is there any nice way to use maemo device to push data to OSM?	20:33
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Stskeeps	what's OSM again?	20:36
Stskeeps	http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openstreetmap.org/msg03355.html	20:37
Stskeeps	maybe	20:37
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johnx	open street map?	20:38
inz	Sts, yes, seems that mosmed was renamed to OSM2Go, but found it thanks to your link	20:41
Veggen	inz: give me a report on it :)	20:42
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Veggen	I have a n810 and do OSM a lot, but am still on the traditional Garmin->track->josm road...some way to push data in a simpler way while out in the field could be nice.	20:43
inz	Veggen, sure, might take a while to get to try it though	20:43
Veggen	no problem.	20:44
inz	Veggen, at least the web site says: "not ready for the end user"	20:44
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inz	Veggen, there seems to also be Qt based opencitymap -project	20:47
inz	Veggen, gotta try both, I guess	20:47
Stskeeps	hildon-theme-layout-4 (>= 0.8.2-1ubuntu3), hildon-theme-layout-4 (< 0.9.0), - weird dependancy of the day	20:47
Stskeeps	nm	20:47
johnx	that should be a conflict I think	20:48
johnx	conflicts: hildon-theme-layout-4 (> 0.9.0)	20:49
Stskeeps	mm	20:51
jott	inz: i played a bit with markaartor. works quite ok.	20:57
jott	inz: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png	20:58
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inz	jott, did you compile it yourself for maemo?	21:00
jott	inz: yes.	21:00
jott	probably worth to build a newer version.	21:01
inz	jott, there's a 23M tar.gz in a launchpad ppa :o	21:03
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jott	inz: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/merkaartor	21:04
jott	just started a build of this one :)	21:04
inz	jott, yeah, the debian source is 1612+15 kB	21:04
jott	the launchpad version probably contains webkit as the project used it before 4.4 came out.	21:05
jott	erm bundled it..	21:07
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inz	jott, debs available yet?	21:16
Stskeeps	johnx: who was the pkg-maemo debian person in here again?	21:17
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johnx	Stskeeps, <suihkulokki> is here sometimes	21:18
Stskeeps	johnx: alright, he should be poked hildon-theme-plankton is now cc 3.0 as they wished for :P	21:19
johnx	w00!	21:19
johnx	I thought that had already happened. Did it just change recently?	21:20
Stskeeps	aug 08	21:20
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Stskeeps	it was cc 2.5 before, which debian didn't like :P	21:21
johnx	if it happened in august I think they know about it	21:22
johnx	I heard them talking about it right about then over in #debian-maemo on the debian IRC net	21:22
Stskeeps	k	21:22
johnx	good to know though	21:22
Stskeeps	their bzrs/repos aren't updated though :P	21:22
Stskeeps	so far from notice to action	21:22
johnx	some people are busy with real life or other projects :P	21:23
johnx	<- some people are lazy	21:23
jott	inz: ah, yes. http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn10948-1_armel.deb	21:23
inz	jott, is it application manager installable?	21:24
jott	inz: the default layout is a bit unsuitable. but when closing most of the dock widgets it should be more or less usable.	21:24
jott	inz: no. just plain build from upstream debian package.	21:24
inz	k	21:24
inz	thus I choose "save"	21:25
jott	(so not in user/* or anything, and you need qt4 libs installed - or at least extras-devel active and then apt-get -f install)	21:25
inz	...and ssh to the wrong device	21:25
jott	hehe	21:26
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jott	hello GNUton	21:29
jott	inz: http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn11061_armel.deb <- that's the trunk version.	21:31
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jott	(not sure what changed between 10948 and 11061 :)	21:31
inz	jott, just finished compiling that myself	21:31
jott	aye ;)	21:31
inz	Oh, I actually compiled 11021, not 61	21:32
jott	inz: it's also worth to check the desktop version to get a bit of a feel for the app (as it's obviously not really made for embedded devices)	21:33
RST38h	jott: screenshots? =)	21:33
jott	RST38h: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png	21:34
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lcuk2	jott	21:34
lcuk2	you have much experience with rotation...	21:34
jott	lcuk2: hey!	21:34
jott	lcuk2: only when i'm drunk.	21:34
lcuk2	have oyu managed to view a rotated video at fullscreen	21:34
lcuk2	lol	21:34
inz	jott, how do I configure the gps?	21:35
jott	afair there where some issues :)	21:35
jott	inz: not really tried it with gps yet.	21:35
RST38h	jott: needs qt?	21:35
jott	RST38h: yes ;)	21:35
jott	lcuk2: ^^ at the issues :)	21:35
lcuk2	jott, so you have noticed them as well	21:36
RST38h	jott: naaah then	21:36
lcuk2	i ask because ive got liqbase sprawled out on the desk infront of me and im seeing what would need to be altered..	21:36
inz	Hmm, tried to use /dev/pgps as device name, the whole app got stuck	21:36
jott	lcuk2: well mainly aspect ratio.	21:38
jott	lcuk2: probably fixable with some mplayer arguments.	21:38
lcuk2	jott, ive just tried using the noaspect which correctly fills the screen for movies in normal mode	21:38
lcuk2	but it wont go over an imaginary 480*480 boundary in rotated	21:39
jott	maybe something hardcoded in mplayer? mmh	21:39
lcuk2	i think its lower down	21:39
lcuk2	im noticing same effects when im doing similar in liqbase	21:39
lcuk2	it fecks up if i try anything over the 480	21:39
johnx	lcuk2, you might want to see what xrandr -q says	21:40
lcuk2	ok thanks	21:41
johnx	that should give you some ideas about what X thinks are the maximums	21:41
lcuk2	Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg# xrandr -q	21:41
lcuk2	-sh: xrandr: not found	21:41
lcuk2	lol	21:41
jott	johnx: it's more likely a problem with the yuv overlay..	21:41
lcuk2	yer i gathered as much, nm ill look again another day	21:42
lcuk2	was just a curiosity	21:42
johnx	jott, that does seem more likely. Still, always a good idea to check the easy stuff first. Zaurus kdrive had issues with reporting the wrong info that caused similar problems	21:43
jott	yeah but rotation is not that broken ;)	21:44
johnx	all it takes is a silly bug in the x server	21:44
jott	yer	21:45
jott	not saying that there is no bug in the yuv code ;)	21:45
lcuk2	yer johnx, and since xv isnt in the default flow it is left in the dark	21:45
jott	but as mplayer should use omapfb directly...	21:45
johnx	jott, though you're right: xomap handles rotation far better than the zaurus' x server (and the zaurus was designed to be rotated...)	21:46
johnx	ah, so really low level	21:46
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jott	lcuk2: what does exactly fail actually?	21:50
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lcuk2	calling XvShmPutImage with values which exceed 480*480	21:53
lcuk2	when rotated	21:53
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lcuk2	normally i call it with 800,480 and 800,480.	21:53
lcuk2	when i rotate i init memory to 480800 which correctly allocates, then whichever variation i try for the dest size if its over 480480 it crashes	21:54
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Mousey	i expect rotation to be working by the time my NIT gets back from the repair shop	21:54
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jott	Mousey: rotation actually works :)	21:55
lcuk2	mousey, which bits need rotating - you are aware liqbase can correctly load and allocate a set of font glyphs rotated 90 degrees arent u	21:55
jott	it's just an issue with videos (and liqbase) that it can't use the full screen as it seems.	21:55
* lcuk2 never used the code though, i was hoping to use xrandr		21:55
Mousey	no idea	21:55
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Mousey	i was hoping when i put the keyb away it'd rotate portrait	21:56
lcuk2	yer jott, i might end up following it down the tree and see where i get upto	21:56
Mousey	xrandr would be nice =)	21:56
jott	i can't even start liqbase with a rotate screen :P	21:57
jott	X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)	21:57
jott	Major opcode of failed request: 136 (XVideo)	21:57
lcuk2	no, because it tries to push values over 480*480	21:57
lcuk2	i can adjust one line of code and get liqbase rendering in 480*480	21:58
lcuk2	which is why i shouted you earlier :P	21:58
lcuk2	it should simply render as an out of shape block - the scaling on the lcd should say "oh look you gave me a bitmap of odd dimensions, ill just make em fullscreen	21:59
lcuk2	http://liqbase.net/liqbase_rotate_480x480.jpg	22:03
* lcuk2 knows a sketch is worth a thousand words		22:04
Stskeeps	http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png <- so going to hell..	22:06
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johnx	Stskeeps, if you set your locale to to british english the strings will show up right	22:08
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Stskeeps	johnx: funny thing is, it is	22:08
Stskeeps	.UTF-8 though	22:09
johnx	hmm	22:09
johnx	I had to fiddle with it a bunch	22:09
* Stskeeps gives up for now		22:10
Stskeeps	plenty of interesting things that can be done though	22:10
Stskeeps	but one thing, those bloody hildon packages laying about needs a severe upgrade	22:10
lcuk2	Stskeeps, :) ive just about given up on rotate for this evening as well	22:11
johnx	yeah, maybe I'll go back on everything I said and just get ubuntu working :/	22:11
lcuk2	is tonight not the night for winning	22:11
Stskeeps	johnx: mojo ubuntu-mobile metapackage isn't working atleast	22:11
Stskeeps	according to build log	22:11
Stskeeps	but the hildon packages may	22:12
johnx	sad :(	22:12
johnx	I just got ubuntu booted and happy on my zaurus	22:12
johnx	I was running apt-cache search looking for it as you said that	22:12
Stskeeps	does it find it? :P	22:12
Stskeeps	(check for hildon-desktop as well	22:12
johnx	no hildon desktop	22:13
johnx	no ubuntu mobile	22:13
Stskeeps	sucks	22:13
Stskeeps	right, it's back to square one evening it seems	22:13
Stskeeps	:P	22:13
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bef0rd	lxde rotated looks nice on deblet	22:17
* Mousey wants GL-ES in his next tablet		22:17
Mousey	^_^	22:17
GNUton	Hi jott.	22:18
Mousey	oo, lxde has a live USB image	22:18
Mousey	can i boot from USB on my n810?	22:18
bef0rd	with bootmenu probably	22:19
bef0rd	http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-rotated.png	22:19
lcuk2	bef0rd, git, that looks nice	22:23
lcuk2	bef0rd, but can you rotate movies and stuff	22:26
bef0rd	don't know, that screenshot comes from Stskeeps :P I have not tried it by myself yet	22:27
lcuk2	ahhh	22:28
* lcuk2 never saw the big fat stskeeps in the middle ;)		22:28
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whodat	does the "internet talk" selection on the n810 use skype behind the scenes? trying to get voip working	23:51
Mousey	if you ever wanna have some fail, try skype + bt headset	23:52
Mousey	i cried all night into my pillow over that	23:52
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RST38h	l.c.u.k	23:52
legind	Mousey, just tried it the other day	23:52
legind	heh	23:52
legind	yeah no fun	23:52
RST38h	lcuk: How long until liqbase .deb in the extras?	23:52
Mousey	...and what does one acctually get to accomplish with liq*?	23:53
RST38h	Mousey: enlightenment	23:53
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Mousey	woah	23:54
RST38h	some use it to get erection though	23:54
Mousey	oh, another libED, eh	23:54
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lcuk2	RST38h, just lookin at a few things and makin a few tweaks but on the whole its ready	23:55
* lcuk2 a bit of a cleanout to do		23:56
lcuk2	then once i know its bedded in i can start to build on what ive started	23:56
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lcuk2	you can grab just the .deb if you want it	23:56
* RST38h will		23:57
RST38h	so, anybody buying a 5800? =)	23:57
GNUton	I don't like the new 5800...	23:58
GNUton	I RST38h!	23:58
GNUton	Hi RST38h	23:58
* Jaffa just received his "free" (upgrade) Sony Ericsson W890i today		23:58
RST38h	heya	23:58
* RST38h actually likes it but will wait and see		23:58
lcuk2	jaffa, does it "work"	23:58
RST38h	prolly getting e72	23:59
Jaffa	Yeah, works well. HSDPA so faster connections with tablet, too.	23:59
lcuk2	thats always a bonus	23:59
* RST38h isn't getting 3G until Christmas, most likely		23:59
Jaffa	Also, nice and small - so when an HSPA tablet becomes available it's not compromised on size	23:59

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