IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-10-04

derfIt worked just fine for me running it on a PC over USB.00:01
vlad_oh, that's not a bad idea00:01
derfIt's still just a block device.00:01
vlad_I just copied over mkfs.ext2 + libs from a debian armel setup I have for my beagleboard, so all's good00:02
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cyrus__Is there an application for maemo that lets you connect to a running Xserver (XDM, GDM, etc000:24
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RST38hcyrus: export DISPLAY=hostname:serverid00:27
cyrus__RST38h - ok....and what does that accomplish for me00:28
cyrus__RST38h - I want to be able to login to another machine that is running GDM00:28
cyrus__I was being a little sarcastic. Basically saying, what you wrote above doesn't do what I want00:29
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cyrus__so I set the DISPLAY to another machine running an Xserver, meaning I can launch applications on that desktop. Not what I want00:29
RST38hWell you have to tell the other machine running GDM to run it at your tablet's X1100:29
RST38hin other words you have to use the above line on the other machine00:30
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cyrus__i am sure that is something that might work...but still not what I am looking for.00:31
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RST38hAnybody knows how I can clean unused locales from OS2008?00:34
woglindeyou could try to port localepurge from debian00:35
RST38hcan I just rm -rf though?00:35
RST38hHungary and Italy just went into ashes00:40
RST38hJapan and Korea00:40
RST38hAh, now it is turn for the little Baltic republics...00:41
RST38hNorway, a few weird countries I do not know, and Poland00:41
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mgedminhey, keep your filthy hands off the Baltics00:43
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mgedminthey don't even have supported locales in the OS2008 image00:44
JaffaOur biggest client at the moment is in the Baltics. We love the Baltics :-)00:46
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RST38hmgedmin: too late00:47
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RST38hApparently some apps do supply at least the lt translations00:47
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mgedminxchat supplies a lot of translations00:48
mgedminin separate packages00:49
mgedminwhich kinda DOSes the app installer list00:49
RST38hFreed ~18MB00:50
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RST38hmgedmin: it may be worth it to create a category for these, something like user/translations00:57
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mgedminI'm thinking that the App Installer should know about plugins/extensions00:58
mgedminso if you have a package Foo (Canola, Gajim, XChat), it would show a list of extension packages for it in a subtree, collapsed by default00:58
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RST38his there a notion of extensions to a package in debian?00:59
mgedminmaybe it's possible to hack this up by using package names (if you have foo and foo-x, foo-y, foo-z, then the latter ones are shown in a subtree)00:59
mgedminand if not, we may need a custom field in debian/control00:59
RST38hyea that is definitely possible albeit non standard00:59
mgedminX-Extends: mainpackage00:59
* RST38h would prefer package name extensions00:59
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GeneralAntillesThe Maemo Packaging Policy has information on what to do with translations. :)00:59
RST38hit is less of a hack than extra fields00:59
mgedminheh, my view is completely opposite01:00
mgedminI'd prefer the package-name-based solution, even if I think it is a hack01:00
mgedminthe app installer is open source (yay), and it's been on my to-do list for quite a while to try and prototype this01:00
RST38hyes, but this is the same as I said01:00
Jaffamgedmin: agreed; or 'Section: user/foo/translations' - which is only shown if 'foo' is installed.01:00
RST38hi.e. no custom fields, use names only because this way it is compatible with traditional debian packaging01:01
JaffaThat seems most consistent with what's already done01:01
RST38hsomebody put Crawl into Extras. I wonder if it works well...01:02
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RST38hhmm both BOSWars and FreeCiv crash01:09
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* Jaffa wonders whether to go to bed or watch the Palin/Biden debate01:15
GeneralAntillesGo to bed.01:15
GeneralAntillesWe're completely screwed either way, so it doesn't matter in the slightest.01:16
JaffaNot worth it, even for the humour value?01:16
RST38hJaffa: there wasn't blood, ignore it01:16
* RST38h kinda expected Biden to maul the woman but the guy was very retrained01:17
mavhcdid you know palin can only see russia from her house because she believes the earth is flat01:17
JaffaI don't get to cast a vote, but they did a good job of lowering expectations of her performance01:17
woglindeseems palin will be a new chuck norris01:18
mavhcfor fun divide the arguments presented into ones used by primary school kids and ones by secondary school kids01:18
GeneralAntillesI wish the debates were deathmatches where we got to the kill the winner anyway.01:18
RST38hoh well, Obama it is then. Whoever wins, he has got his work cut out for him...01:18
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JaffaOh God. "Can I call you Joe?"01:19
Jaffaand blowing a kiss at the audience.01:19
RST38hGAN: Actually, if Biden reduced the woman to a blubbering incoherent idiot, I would be satisfied. And he could.01:19
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mavhcwell, bbc does have a reporter named Johnny Diamond, which always reminds me of celebrity deathmatch01:19
woglindemavhc *g*01:20
RST38hJaffa: Aha, and Biden called her "governor" saying that he is doing it to avoid offendingall the other women01:20
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mikkov_RST38h: how boswars and freeciv are crashing? oom?01:23
* Jaffa 'd have another beer, but it's in the garage and it's cold outside01:24
JaffaShe just winked. When talking about joining the team which is a gteam of mavericks. Sounds like the start of The IT Crowd01:25
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* Jaffa beds. Or I might throw something at the TV01:33
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mavhcah, it's all a ploy to jump start consumer spending01:34
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JaffaAn N900 would do that01:36
Jaffaand break less of the world01:36
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GAN800oOh, it's all Nokia's fault01:36
GAN800I like that angle. ;)01:36
lcukGAN800, are you actually on 800 now - do you have multiple browsers available over there01:37
lcukhi btw01:37
GAN800I am actually on an N800.01:37
GAN800I'm only about 6' way from the desktop.01:38
GeneralAntilleslcuk, looks good.01:40
lcukexcellent :D01:40
* lcuk rubs his hands together gleefully01:40
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lcukGAN800, i can see that river being a fun little way to interact01:44
GAN800It's just gonna be filled with penises.01:46
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lcukPMSL GAN80001:50
lcukyou are so right01:50
lcukisnt everything user content based01:50
lcukthankfully i havent ever felt the need personally01:51
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jottlcuk: you need to add a "private sketch mode" for your private sketching needs :)01:53
lcukjott, the normal sketching is private01:53
lcukthat has not changes01:53
jottbut i can see it in your history :D01:53
lcukhowever, there is a new option on a new button out of the way called live sketching01:53
jottthe pron you draw :P01:53
lcukno, the normal sketches do not get uploaded :) and its less porn and more diary entries01:54
jottgna. you missed my joke :(01:54
* lcuk uploads boobies though ;)01:54
lcukyer jott mustv :P01:54
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* mgedmin wants to sketch with the mouse in the web browser and have the sketch appear on lcuk's tablet02:02
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lcukmgedmin, heh02:06
lcukthats for later :)02:07
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Pavlovhey, how do i get a diablo oprofile kernel with symbols for my n810?02:32
Pavlovrebuild the whole thing?02:32
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lcuknite maemo03:22
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dick-richardsonok...I have a squid proxy running on my desktop. I want my n810 to connect to it (via ssh) everytime it connects to a network. dbus scripts is working well for that, but won't close the ssh tunnel upon exit03:38
dick-richardsonI'm trying start-stop-daemon, but that isn't even starting the process...and it's not throwing any errors, either.03:39
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moontigerdick-richardson, is there some kind of timeout you can set so that the connection closes after the client disconnects?03:55
moontigerGary, colchester lug?03:58
dick-richardsonmoontiger: good option, lemme check03:59
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Mouseygoodnight internets04:04
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sin18while i can use this cmd (mount -t cifs //"ABC' s Time Capsule"/ /home/abc/stuff -o pass=abc) to connect to my time capsule (apple) from my linux box (fedora), mounting fails on maemo (nokia n800/ diablo). Any advice ?04:48
sin18i just i cant ping the capsule 's ip and it does even up on nmap on diablo (while i can do both on fedora)04:49
sin18i just noticed* i cant even ping the capsule 's ip and it does not* even up on nmap on diablo (while i can successfully do both on fedora)04:49
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famicomis maemo an alternative desktop suites and window managers?06:58
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GeneralAntillesfamicom, huh?07:05
GeneralAntillesIt's a Linux distribution for Nokia internet tablets.07:05
infobotmaemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future.
famicomoh ok07:08
famicomdoesnt the maemo desktop use GTK07:08
famicomplus various components from gnome07:09
GeneralAntillesYes, it's GTK with Hildon.07:09
GeneralAntillesYes, it uses lots of components.07:09
famicomwhat window manager does maemo use07:10
GeneralAntillesThe wiki article has a section on its components.07:10
famicomdoes maemo use matchbox-desktop or hildon-desktop07:13
GeneralAntillesHildon is both the application framework/GTK extension and the desktop environment.07:13
GeneralAntillesWhich is composed of hildon-desktop, hildon-application-manager, and hildon-control-panel.07:14
GeneralAntillesYes, it uses hildon-desktop instead of matchbox-desktop.07:14
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famicomwhat about the login manager07:15
GeneralAntillesIt's a single user system.07:15
famicomwhat about sessions07:16
famicomand is there any place where i can find a tarball of the default themes for hildon-desktop07:17
GeneralAntillesThe bundled themes are non-free.07:18
GeneralAntillesHas a template, though.07:18
famicombut if i had a device, i could extract it right07:19
GeneralAntillesHell, there are probably copies floating around.07:19
GeneralAntillesI know a few people have done 12pt/14pt mods.07:19
famicomright now i've got an eeepc, but due to the lack of screen real estate i've been dying to get something more suitable for low resolution screens07:20
GeneralAntilles^ free theme used for the SDK.07:21
GeneralAntillesfamicom, Ubuntu MID?07:21
famicomubuntu MID is horrible07:21
GeneralAntillesSo I hear.07:21
GeneralAntillesIt'll get there eventually, though. ;)07:21
GeneralAntillesYou can just grab the Hildon environment if you want to try it.07:22
famicomim starting to distrust ubuntu07:22
GeneralAntillesIt's really targeted at touchscreen devices, though.07:22
GeneralAntillesWhat about Google's new stuff?07:24
GeneralAntillesIt's targeted at netbooks.07:24
famicombut, the problem with all those ubuntu "mobile" versions, is that canonical are more or less trying to keep "normal users" away from it07:24
famicomand wanting to deal only with OEMS07:25
famicomis gOS a google thing?07:26
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edrexfamicom: they own the g* namespace, so yes07:26
edrexlxde seems pretty cool actually. I was this || close to having it on my 770 earlier, before discovering my sd card is bad07:28
moontigeredrex, is the lxde install safe to do now?07:28
edrexmoontiger: with deblet? I don't know, I can't proceed till I get a new sd card07:29
famicomGeneralAntilles thanks07:29
famicomi'll try it later07:29
famicomright now, its time to play with maebo07:29
moontigerhmmmmmmmm i want to try it but im afraid of stuffing up my tablet07:30
famicommaybe i can hack it to run on my windows mobile smartphone07:30
famicomthat would be cool07:30
edrexmoontiger: the only modification you need to make to your internal memory is to install bootmenu07:31
moontigerhmmmmmmmmmm im very tempted07:32
moontigerdoes it reflash the entire internal memory again?07:32
moontigeror is it non-destructive to already installed stuff07:32
GeneralAntillesDeblet installs to an SD partition.07:32
moontigerGeneralAntilles, but the bootmenu needs to be in internal mem no?07:32
edrexmoontiger: if you do try it, use the forum instructions (debootstrap --foreign on a ubuntu or debian desktop if you have one around)07:32
GeneralAntillesmoontiger, the bootmenu is flashed to the initfs partition.07:33
edrexof course, I have a bad sd card, so maybe the wiki instructions would work fine07:33
moontigerok so basically non-destructive then yes?07:33
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't touch the rootfs.07:34
edrexmoontiger: it leaves the current rootfs in place07:34
GeneralAntillesOther to install the bootmenu and Deblet installers.07:34
moontigeri really must read up on rootfs and initfs as i dont understand them at all :|07:34
GeneralAntillesThe internal NAND is broken up into 6 parts.07:37
GeneralAntillesrootfs )where the OS is located), initfs (used as part of the boot process), kernel, NOLO (the 2-part Nokia bootloader), and the config partition (where some information is kept).07:38
famicomi got it to run07:38
GeneralAntillesfamicom, got what to run?07:38
famicomhildon-desktop with plankton07:38
GeneralAntillesmoontiger, bootup looks like: NOLO -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs07:38
* moontiger takes notes...07:39
moontigerso the nolo is the proprietary stuff yes?07:39
moontigerit starts the kernel ... which does hardware and software init07:39
moontigerthen the file systems are set up?07:39
moontigerand is nolo equivalent to the bios startup?07:40
moontigerok now it makes more sense07:40
moontigerthank you07:41
GeneralAntillesIt's changing in Fremantle.07:41
moontigerthe rootfs and initfs ... what are they exactly?07:41
GeneralAntillesrootfs is the OS-proper07:41
moontigerlike an image of the os that will run?07:41
GeneralAntillesinitfs is sort of a mini OS that's a stepping stone between the kernel and the rootfs.07:41
moontigeroh you mean rootfs is like the full system with all utility apps etc ready?07:42
edrexGeneralAntilles: is part of the reason initfs so it can be reused by eg deblet?07:42
GeneralAntillesThe rootfs is your OS.07:42
GeneralAntillesedrex, I don't really know the logic behind the current setup.07:42
moontigerok thanks a lot for that GeneralAntilles ... i'll do some more reading about this stuff07:42
moontigeri need to know it07:43
GeneralAntillesIt does seem to provide a nice way to share proprietary stuff like bme between OSes.07:43
moontigerbtw why is it all changing in freemantle?07:43
GeneralAntillesI don't know the specifics07:43
GeneralAntillesBut things should be getting faster and more straightforward07:43
GeneralAntillesThey're switching to upstart07:43
moontigerarent they going to be releasing new hardware then too?07:43
moontigeroh from the sysv stuff07:43
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edrexif I have a jffs2 rootfs built by openembedded (ie, poky 3.1), should I just be able to write it to a partition on sd and boot into it with bootmenu without modification?07:46
GeneralAntillesWell, you'll need to have bootmenu setup to boot from that partition.07:48
edrexhrw says that wireless can be made to work in poky. not sure how yet, but supposedly there is a recipe for it in openembedded somewhere07:48
edrexGeneralAntilles: i'm going to give it a go (still have the 64M card :)07:49
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edrexi'm just wondering if anything in the image will need to be re-educated. it uses initfs iirc07:52
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famicomGeneralAntilles could you perhaps tell me what /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server does exactly07:56
famicomoh wait, thats just a generall gtk engine07:57
GeneralAntillesIt's a pixbuf theme engine.07:57
famicommy bad07:57
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edrexcan bootmenu load a rootfs on a file on sd08:08
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edrexoh... is jffs2 module available in initfs?08:24
edrex(trying to set up bootmenu entry for poky)08:24
edrexoh, it's builtin i guess duh08:24
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moontigerGeneralAntilles, does the rotation stuff work with the latest ssu changes?08:38
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moontigerdoes anyone know if this: works with the latest SSU ?09:43
GeneralAntillesCheck your PMs.09:43
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moontigerGeneralAntilles, that seems to work great and a very simple install :)09:55
GeneralAntillesDid the .install work in Application manager for you?09:57
moontigerno so i had to do a manual "apt-get install rotation-support-n810"09:58
moontigeras root of course09:58
moontigerthen it was over in 10 seconds09:58
GeneralAntillesToo bad.09:58
GeneralAntillesStill need to talk to m-vo about why it refuses to work.09:58
moontigerach it was painless enough09:58
moontigermakes the web soooooooooooo much easier to use09:59
moontigerim curious to see if this version freaks out my icd2 like the previous one did09:59
moontigeri'll report back how it works out ... thanks so much again ... im off to bed now ... nn :)10:01
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fluentisgood morning @all11:01
fluentishave realy big trouble with my n810 - need advice...11:01
fluentisthe installation of xulrunner and wizard-mounter don't work... dpkg gives me "portmap seems to be installed but not configured"11:02
fluentisand i'm not able to deinstall the xulrunner, wizard-mounter and portmap...11:02
Stskeepsdpkg --configure -a11:02
fluentisxulrunner install: segmentation fault11:04
Stskeepsdpkg --remove xulrunner i guess11:05
fluentiswizard-mounter install : segmentation fault11:05
ToyKeeperWow, lots of packages to upgrade...  last I looked it was about 5, but now it's up to 96.11:06
fluentissegmenation fault pre-removal script returned error exit status 13911:06
fluentiseven while forced... how to deinstall this package?11:07
fluentisred-pill doesn't help also11:07
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fluentisno idea?11:09
trenkafluentis: remove the script11:10
trenkawith "rm" command11:10
ToyKeeperGo to /var/lib/dpkg/info and remove xulrunner.prerm11:11
fluentiswhere to find the script11:11
ToyKeeperThen run 'dpkg --remove xulrunner'11:11
ToyKeeperI had the same issue.11:11
ToyKeeperThe postinst and prerm scripts segfault, so dpkg never completes.11:11
fluentisjapp :)11:13
fluentisToyKeeper: thx a lot11:13
JaffaMorning, all11:15
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fluentishmmm... after removing the packaged i still have some problems to install wizard-mounter...11:23
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ToyKeeperDifferent issue.  I haven't tried that package, so I'm not sure what's broken.11:24
fluentisinvoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S18portmap"11:24
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fluentissure... but it seems to be a problem with portmap anyway...11:25
qwerty12fluentis: - read post 711:26
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fluentisqwerty12: i've read it and changend the file... no changes during installation, still "not a symlink"... should i reboot?11:34
qwerty12fluentis: worked for me, no reboot needed.11:34
fluentismaybe i've made something wrong...11:35
qwerty12I'd copy the modified invoke-rc.d from my tablet but the battery is dead on it :?11:35
fluentisnp qwerty12, thx11:36
qwerty12what you can do meanwhile is to move /etc/rc2.d/S18portmap to ~ or something and try removing again11:36
ToyKeeperBTW, what's a good maemo text editor?  Or, how can I get the file selection dialog to show me all files instead of a filtered view?11:37
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|newbiefluentis|got it :)11:41
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fluentisthx qwerty12, was my mistake - q and 1 on the  n810 keyboard ;)11:48
qwerty12hehe, I had to do it with the on screen keyboard :P11:48
fluentis:) anyway - works for me like a charm...11:48
fluentisthx again11:48
qwerty12np. I used to keep moving my files everytime I got that error until I found out that invoke-rc.d is a script and as you saw, I made a dodgy hack and reiv posted a proper one :)11:49
fluentisi think i'll backup alll these files...11:50
ToyKeeperHmm, is there a real version of 'ps' available for maemo?  Busybox is kinda ... lacking.11:52
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qwerty12Yeah, I hacked away at the dpkg status file to let me install procps but there's an easier way with only ps, brb11:53
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ToyKeeperThanks.  That's much nicer.11:59
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ToyKeeperI love the descriptions of some of the packages...  mediaplayer-daemon is "Mediaplayer Daemon"12:02
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Stskeepshangovers and coding time, woop12:44
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fluentishmmm... after the last ssu there is a hint in nternettablettalk to not to forget about editing the /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh12:57
fluentisbut... what is it good for?12:57
qwerty12You only edit if you boot off sd card12:57
fluentisi do it12:57
fluentisintern 2gb12:58
qwerty12then go for it :)12:58
qwerty12It stops maemo from umounting the rootfs if booted off sd12:58
fluentisaaaah... i remeber... it helps for the extern computer to see the tablet filesystem connected13:00
fluentisbut it's just needet if i want to exchange the files between the intern card and computer by cable... never did, i use sd-card reader... so... no need, i suppose...13:01
lcukStskeeps, its always that time13:03
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* lcuk hates designing user dialogs in code.13:05
lcuki wish there was a way for me to draw them directly13:05
MangoFusionwhich toolkit?13:06
lcukthe one i wrote myself, but it could be anything13:07
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MangoFusionwell why not make a nice dialog builder to go along with it? ;)13:07
* Stskeeps is using today for shoehorning dm-loop into deblet-in-a-file13:07
lcukyeah it would be nice, but ive had so much other stuff to code its been a bit tough to fine time :)13:08
MangoFusionah i see13:08
lcukanyway MangoFusion if i had done it sooner i would have to keep rewriting it - the interface has been evolving under my fingers13:08
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MangoFusionno big upfront designs then?13:09
lcukonly the ones ive had in my head for years13:09
lcukbut those usually involve having infrastructure available13:10
MangoFusionhaha, kind of what i end up doing13:10
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lcuknot really, i have had to use none standard methods and build everything from scratch - i wouldv much prefered to do the same thing in an existing framework13:11
MangoFusionin any case, good luck with the rest of it :)13:11
lcukliqbase in component pieces exists as vb code using native controls back here and its much simpler to do ;)13:12
MangoFusionits looking quite neat in the last video13:14
Stskeepswow, that's kinda frightening13:16
lcukMangoFusion, yeah, we hope to have a deb out in the next couple of days :) certain things have come together nicely now.
Stskeepsmy dm-loop linuxrc worked in first try13:16
Stskeepsthat can't be good13:16
lcukheh Stskeeps dont be so surprised13:16
Stskeepswhat am i going to use the rest of the day on then? ;>13:16
lcukchilaxing :)13:17
lcukprepare for your next step13:17
qwerty12Stskeeps, reversing cal :P13:17
lcukmornin qwerty1213:17
Stskeepsqwerty12: i'm waiting for austin che to reverse engineer BME atm13:17
qwerty12hey lcuk13:17
qwerty12Stskeeps, ah :)13:17
lcukqwerty12, look at that link i posted13:18
Stskeepsqwerty12: i honestly don't think CAL is that difficult.. also, it seems there's a DSME call for set/get cal stuff13:18
Stskeepscal.h is just a wrapper for dsme13:19
Stskeepsas far as i can tell13:19
qwerty12lcuk, nice! I wish I had a tablet to try your latest beta with :) (I need a new charger :))13:19
lcukoh no13:19
Stskeepsqwerty12: at least cal-tool or wtf communicates with /tmp/dsmesock13:19
lcuki can send you my emergency AA charger and all its connectors - maybe you could mcguyver something - or just hit your 'rants up for one13:20
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah. for me, leaked mce code was an inspiration. but I don't think nokia opensourcing dsme will mean anything regarding cal :(13:20
qwerty12lcuk, hehe, I'll just buy a new one on Monday :). I'm not getting one from the internet again after last time...13:21
lcukgood, as long as you can solve it13:21
Stskeepsqwerty12: is really the kicker13:21
Stskeepsdsme as itself is .. boring13:21
Stskeepsit doesn't contain functionality beyond being a framework13:22
GeneralAntillesAssuming it ever actually gets released. . . .13:22
GeneralAntillesand that it hasn't been _completely_ stripped down and moved to mce. . . .13:22
qwerty12If I had a serial cable that worked with the port at the back, I'd be tempted to write to CAL directly using mtd-tools13:22
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: dsme is needed much earlier than mce runs, so13:23
qwerty12Stskeeps, they may just move mce to initfs or split it and make one part run from initfs. for example, dsmetool exists in both rootfs and initfs13:24
qwerty12The biggest thing that is stopping me is that I don't know if CAL has a checksum of any kind13:24
Stskeepsi am inclined to think we don't need to care13:25
Stskeepsthe DSME calls will do it for you13:25
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Stskeepsqwerty12: sbin/dsme: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped13:39
Stskeepsnot stripped..13:39
* qwerty12 still would find it easier to hax
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Stskeepscal_ is in dsme binary13:40
* Stskeeps wonders what he can do with those debug symbols13:42
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Stskeepsif anyone's into reverse engineering and ARM code, objdump -l -d /mnt/initfs/sbin/dsme is very interesting14:05
Stskeeps.. just putting it out there14:05
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Stskeepsoh thank god for people who forgot to strip their binaries14:19
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lcuklardman|away, check your mails if you can :)14:40
GNUtonHi there14:42
lcukhi GNUton14:44
lcukbusy hacking?14:45
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GNUtonlcuk: Hey lcuk :) no I' m tring to package Qt 4.5 (snapshot) and Marble..14:47
GNUtonI want to test them on the device...14:47
lcukbut i bet your packaging still isnt as painful as mine14:47
* lcuk tests exclusively on device14:47
GNUtonlcuk: O_o do you have packaged your pet?14:47
GNUtonThat's a great news! :)14:48
lcuk:) 1st real alpha release is hours/days away14:48
lcukthis might be in place to add to the ideas fountain :)14:48
* GeneralAntilles still maintains that it will be filled with evil things.14:49
GNUtonlcuk: cool your page doesn't work with Konqueror :)14:49
GeneralAntillesNeeds SVG14:49
lcukGNUton, i am sorry, i am not a web designer or svg person14:50
GNUtonYes.. but I guess Konqueror supports SVG14:50
lcukits raw and messy and unprocessed and wrong but its POC14:50
lcukits the idea and principle which counts to me at the moment :)14:50
lcuki am very interested in seeing what works and what doesnt14:50
jotthey folks.14:50
lcukmorning jott14:50
GNUtonHi jott14:51
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you'd get a lot better compatibility if you just converted them to pngs.14:51
GNUtonluck: ok It works fine with arora! :)14:51
GeneralAntillesjott, I've got plans. . . . :P14:51
lcuk<<<<<<<< FAIL14:51
lcuki could not get png writing working \@/ ive tried about 10 times14:51
lcuki keep bloody trying and it keeps knocking me flat on my back14:52
GeneralAntillesPoor lcuk.14:52
jottuse libpng :)14:52
lcukjott, thats the problem, i am trying to14:52
jottah. implement lzw then :P14:53
lcukliquid zip on windows?14:53
jottor is it just zip?14:53
lcuki really dont know why i cant get it working14:53
jottwhat's the problem with libpng?14:53
GeneralAntillesliquid zip? Is that lcuk's tear-free zipper animation?14:53
lcuktheres a load of things where i keep goin "if i can get a picture i can do xyz"14:53
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lcukand i realise its not done, so i go and try again14:54
lcukive seriously considered just writing out uncompressed planes14:54
* lcuk just cant do it :S14:54
jottlcuk: does it just not write anything? or write garbage? or what?14:54
lcukno, the last time i built enough of it to set everything - i got down to the final section expecting to be able to do YUV->RGB on a single line and save it14:56
lcukbut then realized that i have to preinitialize a whole RGB plane beforehand and pass pointers to all rows14:56
lcukby this time it was late and i had work so i chopped the code out, rebuilt and went to bed14:57
lcukit frustrates me :)14:57
jottit's really not that hard. caffeine would have been another solution :)15:00
lcukyer jott :)time is the biggest one15:02
lcukanyone know where lardman is this weekend15:03
jottmaybe YAW (yet another wedding ;)?15:04
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jottbrowsing the backlog, any news on the dsme source release? i would say the promised 1-2 weeks are nearly over ;)15:07
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GeneralAntillesjott, nope, but feel free to triage this to pass the time waiting.
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GeneralAntillesjott, can you think about how we'd could make Modest user-removable without disrupting all the OS hooks for email too drastically?15:19
jotti would *hope* it is all handled by mime types and .desktop files etc...15:20
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GeneralAntillesYeah, I don't think it'll be overwhelmingly involved.15:21
GeneralAntillesAnybody have a good mime type handler control panel sort of thing we could bundle?15:21
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GeneralAntillesHello, trickie.15:23
trickieGeneralAntilles: hey15:24
MekGNUton: pong15:26
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GNUtonMek pinK15:28
MekGNUton: yeah, what's up? :)15:30
Stskeepswhat was that package search url again?15:31
Stskeepsfms something?15:31
jottStskeeps: google packrat maemo :)15:32
GNUtonMek: I wanted to know something about CMake and qemu cvs.. but it'snt fixed yet. :/15:39
GNUtonMek: At moment I think that a fast solution is to force the compilation with the Qt maemo0 packages..15:39
GNUtonthis is a workaround15:40
GNUtonbut we need to report the bug to the scratchbox devs15:40
Mekyeah, completely agree15:41
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GNUtonMek: by the way.. how is going your plasma port? I want to port Marble with GPS and Open streetmap support.15:46
MekI haven't really had time yet to do anything but compiling/packaging kde stuff; no maemo specific changes yet. but marble runs quite well, although I haven't tried gps support yet (
Meks/runs quite well/crashes unless you remove some data files/ :)15:48
Mekbut that crash might just be some unlucky revision I picked15:48
Mekah, no... the crash is because it tries to read qreal's from a binary file... that should probably be doubles :)15:52
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inzqué tal?17:18
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lopzinz, aquí, levantando de cama xD17:30
lopzy tu ?17:30
crashanddielopz, this ain't #maemo-es, so english please ;)17:40
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inzlopz, sorry, don't actually speak spanish ;)17:42
inzlopz, but I'm fine ;)17:42
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lopzcrashanddie, ok, you speak spanish ?17:49
lopzinz, cool17:50
crashanddielopz, hardly, other than ordering a beer and asking for directions17:50
crashanddiePor donde se va a La Jonquera?17:51
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* lcuk gestures for beer n has gps and a map for directions17:54
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crashanddielcuk, hagame de hablar mas despacio17:56
lcukein beer bitter17:56
lcukthough this time i was a little better17:56
GNUtonlcuk: no alcool! :P17:57
GNUtonthere are some stupid teenager under my windows... they are drinking.. singing... I'll kill them in a couple of seconds if they don't go  away!!17:59
GNUtonW plurals! :P17:59
GNUtonAt the end they will leave their garbage on the ground... :(18:00
crashanddieWindows always attract shit you don't want18:00
GNUtoncrashanddie: what's the spanish name.. "Buttiglion"?18:01
GNUtoncrashanddie: usually in Spain the guys walk and drink... The bring with them a lot of beer and wine..18:02
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crashanddieGNUton, I'm not the spanish guy18:02
GNUtoncrashanddie: ah ok! :18:02
crashanddieGNUton, you probably mean Botellons anyway18:03
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GNUtoncrashanddie: yes! :) that's right18:17
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crashanddieGNUton, I loved a few miles from Spain for a few odd years, so yeah, I know a few things about Spain, but if you want real info, ask lopz18:19
crashanddiehey qgil, how's it going?18:19
lopzeh ?18:20
GNUtonlopz == lopez??18:20
GNUtona ok :)18:21
lopzyes yes18:21
lopzmi name.. Jorge López18:21
crashanddieJorge ;)18:21
GNUtonEl nombre del gatto... (Ska P)18:21
lopzgatto ?18:21
crashanddieJorge J Lopez C?18:21
crashanddiewhat do J & C stand for?18:21
lopzJorge Jaime López Cerón :D18:21
GNUtongatto is cat in italian.. I don't remember the tranlation of cat in spanish18:22
lopzand you crashanddie '18:22
crashanddielopz, Sebastiaan Roger André Nicholias Alexander Lauwers18:22
lopzGNUton, cat == gato, not gatto18:22
GNUtonah ok! :) In italian cat == gatto :)18:22
lopzwow.. large18:22
crashanddiecrash in short18:22
lopzyou name is large18:22
crashanddieyeah it is... Posh family18:23
crashanddiewhich is nice, because I have a different name for every (working) day in the week :)18:23
crashanddielopz, where you from in Spain?18:23
lopzcrashanddie, not, my country is Bolivia, city Santa Cruz de la Sierra18:24
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crashanddieoh, ok18:24
lopzand you ?18:24
crashanddieI used to live in Catalunya, southern France18:25
qgilcrashanddie: well, I was hoping to find timsamoff here...18:25
crashanddieqgil, hmm, haven't seen him in here lately, I think he's reserving his typing for emails18:25
qgilcrashanddie: you in "Catalunya, southern France"? that's a surprise18:26
crashanddieqgil, I moved to London 2 months ago18:26
crashanddieand why is it surprising for me to be in catalunya?18:26
qgilwhere exactly were you before?18:26
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crashanddieSaleilles, right next to Perpignan18:26
qgilah, Salelles  ;)18:27
crashanddieqgil, no shit, you know the area?18:28
qgilI was living in Girona 7 years, so...18:28
crashanddielived in Saleilles for 8 years :)18:28
qgilI went to Perpinyà to buy cheaper comic books from Moebius and etc18:29
RST38hmoo all18:29
crashanddieyeah yeah18:29
qgilmany teams18:29
qgilmany times18:29
crashanddieqgil, I played with the Dragons ;)18:29
qwerty12hey RST38h, thanks for uploading Emutools18:29
RST38hMotorola To Hire 300 Android Developers18:29
qgilalso rugby?18:30
RST38hqwerty: You are welcome. Do they work?18:30
qwerty12RST38h, No idea, no working tablet atm :)18:30
* RST38h wonders if Android can really save Motorola18:30
RST38hqwerty: I have got a wquestion18:30
qgilI played 3 games or so with the GEiEG rugby, but someone found my Achilles and that was it18:30
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crashanddieqgil, ouch18:30
RST38hYesterday installation of BOS Wars and FreeCiv made me enable paging to internal flash card in N81018:31
qgilcrashanddie: how you got to the Dragons?18:31
RST38hI am a little bit fidgety about what this will do the card wearout18:31
crashanddieqgil, nha, I was a junior, until a bad melee ripped my knee18:31
GAN800qgil, I haven't been able to coerce Tim to idle here as much as I'd like yet. ;)18:31
RST38hWhat is the current popular opinion on this? Should I disable it?18:31
crashanddieqgil, started out in Canet, played for 2 years, a scout noticed me18:31
crashanddieRST38h, hiring in London? :-°18:31
qwerty12RST38h, No idea sorry, I'm not really sure about wearing issues. You can move the swap file to external card if you wish though18:32
GAN800RST38h, don't worry about it.18:32
qgilcrashanddie: so you are born in el Rosselló?18:32
RST38hcrash: More like Bombay I think :)18:32
RST38hqwerty: How?18:32
RST38hGAN: sure?18:32
crashanddieqgil, not at all, I'm from Belgium originally18:32
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RST38hcrash: Ask yourself if you really wanna be a Java developer =)18:32
qgilcrashanddie: I se, that is a nice corner of the world18:32
crashanddieRST38h, at this point, I'd develop anything to get a job18:33
GAN800Swappiness is about as low as possible and flash cards are about as durable as can be these days.18:33
crashanddieRST38h, tuesday I have an interview for a job that will consist of... Converting Windows desktops apps to Linux/Mac18:33
crashanddieRST38h, that should tell you how desperate I am18:33
qwerty12RST38h, You may just be able to move the .swap file from mmc2 to mmc1. Based on my (limited) reading of ke-recv sources, ke-recv should automatically enable on either card the .swap file is present on. If that doesn't work, write a quick script in init.d to swapon /media/mmc1/.swap18:33
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* lcuk would gladly give you a job if he was in a position to :)18:34
crashanddieI cook very wel18:34
lcukdo you clean as well? :P18:34
qwerty12I can order takeaway, does that count as cooking?18:34
crashanddieqgil, yeah, I'm happy I lived in Catalunya for a while, it has certainly built my character, though, I'm quite happy to be out of France, finally18:34
qgilcrashanddie: is there any URL to see what you do?18:35
crashanddielcuk, I'll do your dishes for a fiver :P18:35
crashanddiewhat I do?18:35
qgilcrashanddie: information useful for someone to hire you18:35
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qgilcrashanddie: have you checked the open positions in Maemo?18:37
crashanddienot lately, aren't most of them based in northern europe?18:37
qgilmmm yes, some of them might go to California - but if I were you I would try anyway18:38
qgilif you're good and you like Maemo and you are looking for a job is not bad that the Maemo team knows about you18:38
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lcukqgil, something to make you smile and ponder:
qgiland you just said you were "desperately" looking for a job...18:39
crashanddieqgil, I have already applied to a few positions (via Nokia's Taleo), never had an answer. I think my lack of experience is the thing that scares a lot of HR18:39
qgilcould be, dunno18:40
qgillcuk: browsers supported?18:40
lcukgod knows - its extremely tempremental home written svg18:41
lcukjust to see if the idea will work18:41
Stskeepsah, svg plugin needed?18:41
RST38hqwerty: thanks, will try18:41
lcukif thats what you need to view svg yeah - someone could take the svg on the webserver and convert to png18:41
RST38hGAN: Understoof18:41
RST38hcrash: Don't get too desperate, you will find a job sooner or later18:42
qgillcuk: I see several static images and no apparent links, is there any kind of move or interactions?18:42
lcukno qgil :) its my first ever cave painting18:42
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lcukon the device the sketches are uploadable - of course 2 way interaction will be prefered18:42
qgilah, I see18:43
* lcuk gets back on with finalizing things18:44
lcukcatch you later qgil, crashanddie18:44
crashanddielcuk, take care guv18:44
RST38hmoo lcuk18:44
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qgilalright, see you! crashanddie: best luck18:54
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Stskeepselectrocuting 770, corrupted SD..19:15
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dmsuperman988I have a bluetooth keyboard21:13
dmsuperman988I enable it and use it, and all is well21:13
dmsuperman988However, sometimes I wish to use my virtual keyboard without opening my bluetooth keyboard21:13
dmsuperman988What's the easiest way to tell it to use virtual keyboard without unpairing bluetooth?21:14
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dmsuperman988*knock knock*21:19
dmsuperman988Anybody here?21:19
Stskeepsi'm around but don't have a bluetooth kbd21:20
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dmsuperman988I can't figure it out21:23
dmsuperman988I just can't enable my virtual keyboard without reconnecting my bluetooth kbd21:24
dmsuperman988And then disconnecting it again21:24
dmsuperman988That usually fixes it21:24
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KomzpaI've set a usb network connection from my n800 from console. How can I tell the applications that I'm online?22:34
JaffaA "Dummy" IAP22:34
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KomzpaJaffa: thanks22:38
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kpelthat's a useful url Jaffa. cool!22:41
woglindeKomzpa but be aware there are chipsets where usbnet doesnot work22:41
woglindeI have one at work22:41
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Komzpawoglinde: I've got a working connection, even ssh'ed to the tablet, but browser and friends stil think i'm offline and offer me to connect through gprs.22:45
mavhcis there a list of live video streams that work with Video Center?22:46
crashanddieMardi I cast you out !22:48
crashanddiemardi__, Leave now, for my wrath will quickly kindle22:48
crashanddieAs I have no other which, but to see your life time out, second by second22:48
crashanddieBEGONE !22:50
woglindeKomzpa yes the icd does not know about usbnet22:51
Stskeeps <- did a new wiki, any comments?22:56
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JaffaStskeeps: anyone played with maximus and the panel window title/switcher from Ubuntu Netbook Remix?22:59
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StskeepsJaffa: hmm, no, but that sounds interesting, got an url?22:59
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JaffaLet me look22:59
Stskeepsvideo is okay too :P23:00
Stskeepsor scrshot23:00
JaffaStskeeps: shows details & screenshot of maximus & window-picker-applet23:00
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Jaffa - specifically23:00
jaskadepartment of redundancy department url23:01
StskeepsJaffa: that's a interesting way to do task switching, yeah23:01
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Jaffa has source debs23:01
JaffaAlso works as a nice simple UI on Jaffa Jr's 1024x768 ThinkPad :)23:02
Stskeepsadded to todo to look at23:04
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AStormRST38h: you wanted something?23:37
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RST38hAStorm: Possibly. But I no longer remember what =(23:41
AStormgot some ctcp ping from you23:42
RST38hah, that one...there was a split so I was checking who was still alive23:42
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RST38hSo they finally installed the full OSX on an iPhone!23:53
RST38h[ok, very large iphone]23:53
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