IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-10-03

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cyrus__installed gainroot and add the following to my sudoers files: cyrus ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot00:39
cyrus__cyrus is a local user I made, however when I type sudoers gainroot it asks for the root passwd, which I supply correctly, but it says invalid00:39
mgedminit doesn't ask for the root pwd00:41
mgedminit asks for the cyrus pwd00:41
mgedminbecause you put the 'PASSWD:' in your /etc/sudoers00:42
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cyrus__mgedmin - oh...i am there a way to have it ask for the root passwd?00:45
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mgedminthat's the point of sudo: it never asks for the root pw00:46
mgedminsounds like you want su00:46
cyrus__mgedmin - ok. What if I want to implement something similiar to logging on and doing su -00:46
cyrus__but if I run su -00:46
cyrus__ti says something about applet requires root privileges00:46
mgedminah, right00:47
mgedminbecause it's the busybox su00:47
mgedminand busybox is not suid-root on maemo00:47
cyrus__mgedmin - k. is there a package out there that supplies su00:48
mgedminno idea00:48
mgedminwhy do you need it?00:48
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cyrus__well I am just trying to setup some additional security. I have SSH enabled with norootlogins00:49
cyrus__however, if someone figures out my regular user password00:49
cyrus__they basically have root, since they just run sudo gainroot00:50
cyrus__and don't have to supply the root passwd00:50
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Prez00I see latest firmware is out, but cannot find it at regular download site, any other place?  the online update did not work for me...01:15
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mavhcI like the way the windows updater says: remove the power cable, now wait 30 mins for the update to download01:16
gomiammavhc: unless you tell it to get it from somewhere in the harddisk01:17
mavhcbut at least switch those 2 things around01:18
Prez00so, any ideas where I can get latest firmware for manual flash?01:23
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gomiammmm.. there used to be a site...
gomiamyou'll just need your WiFi card MAC01:28
gomiam(available underneath the battery, for example)01:29
mavhcis there a reason serial numbers are often under the battery?01:31
mgedmincontrol panel -> device -> about01:31
Prez00gomiam: yep, i went there, the update is not there..01:31
mgedminno need for battery pulling01:32
Prez00and i tried installing directly using app manager, now have the update with exclamation mark01:32
gomiammgedmin: oh XD I forgot. I usually just /sbin/ifconfig -a wlan0 XD01:32
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Prez00ok, anyone got the flash image for 4.2008.36-5 on them?01:44
gomiamnot me01:49
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Prez00this is weird, now the wiki for how to flash using linux is gone..01:57
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mgedminmerged somewhere probably02:05
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liriany expert on postgresql around?02:06
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gregoroviuswhat's the best size for canola cover files? could anyone check theirs and tell me?05:09
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GeneralAntillesWiki's in ro05:46
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gregoroviusJaffa: is there any chance some subtitle support could be added to tablet-encode? basically just detect if there's a .srt or .sub with the same name as the avi and pass some parameters to mencoder. I really don't understand perl enough to do it myself, but maybe with some pointers...05:59
gregoroviusI get the 'push @params' part, and I'd know pretty much what to pass, but I don't know how to add the subtitle detection logic06:03
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gregoroviusI have to go, but actually only 1 line is needed:   push @params, '-sub', ''; ... the default settings look pretty well, at least with the 'best' setting06:34
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Avehi. is there a way to make the ctrl key sticky in n810 like shift and fn are?08:36
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gnutonAve: you need to change the code of the Hildon Input Method08:49
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gnutonAve: you need to change both HIM framework and Main HIM UI08:50
Aveat source level?08:55
Aveie changing the rx44 xkb defs does noot do it?08:56
Avecant find any defs for shift nor fn atleast08:56
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AStormI just had a crash of diablo09:08
AStormas in, full reboot09:08
AStormwhich means one of the watchdogs triggered09:08
AStormwifi was active, wpa2-psk connection, browser was opened09:09
AStormthe device was connected to charger09:10
AStormbackground processes: mail checker, omweather, clock09:12
AStormdesktop was visible09:12
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AStormbluetooth was inactive09:14
qwerty12 . But in all honesty, shit happens. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a day where I didn't take out my battey (I keep watchdog disabled)09:15
AStormwell, for me it's very rare09:15
AStormand I keep the device almost always on and use it heavily09:16
AStormqwerty12: obviously the reason was 32wd_to09:23
AStormwhich means watchdog09:23
qwerty12I'd place a bet on the kernel crash. browserd is a cpu eater but I've never experienced an restart from it. you don't happen to be running ksyslogd?09:25
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AveI've had only one occasion where I had to remove the battey feom my 81009:26
qwerty12When I got my N800, the battery was in so tight that I would use a knife to get it out. Now, even my fingers work.09:27
AStormqwertz12: not yet, i's a fairly fresh diablo09:27
AStormqwerty12: heh, I tended to use a zen slap to get the battery out09:28
* qwerty12 bitch slaps webkit, I keep doing dodgy things for it to compile09:29
AStormI have 2 in 32wd_to, hmm09:29
AStormdidn't notice any other reboot...09:30
AStorman wait09:31
AStormdduring flashing, one :P (my giving wrong options to the flasher)09:31
AStormbtw, Version: 4.2008.36-509:32
AStormI see people get reboot loops with this09:34
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AStormbtw, what is this EAC dsp item?09:36
AStormI meant eap09:37
qwerty12It's shit. It's only set to show if DEBUG is enabled in the kernel, but if you run a 2.6.21-omap1 kernel with DEBUG disabled, mce hangs on shutdown. I ended up commenting the eac lines to stop it from showing in kernel log09:38
qwerty12oh, eap09:38
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AStormaep that is09:40
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jaemhello all09:41
AStormwhat is that aep dsp module?09:41
AStorm(or should I get a disassembler and waste a day)09:41
AStormqwerty12: mce does work w/o debug: the problem is 2.6.21-omap bug09:42
AStormor rather, compiler bug09:43
jaemI've been using Telepathy-haze for MSN on my N810 for a couple of weeks, and I've noticed that it doesn't allow me to initiate conversations through MSN - only receive them.  I'm suspecting that this is because I use Google Talk on the N810, using the same e-mail address; when I try to start an MSN chat, it thinks it's Google Talk, tells me the remote contact is unauthorized, and bounces all messages...09:44
jaemit works fine when I don't have a second account with the same address set up09:44
jaemsince haze is developed by someone else, I was unsure where I should file the bug.  Can anyone tell me?09:45
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jaemI'm not sure what component is causing the problem, and I don't have time to go through the sources (exams ><)09:45
AStormfile a bug against the client and let them handle the component :>09:46
jaemok - thanks09:46
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jaemalso, any idea why the Nokia Catalogue (Diablo) updates repo requires a login?  I didn't have that issue previously09:48
GeneralAntillesBecause there's stuff under license in there?09:49
jaemfair enough, but it worked before09:50
jaemas far as I recall09:50
GeneralAntillesBefore Diablo was released.09:50
GeneralAntillesWay before.09:50
jaemmaybe I'm just crazy... it wouldn't be the first time :P09:50
jaemso... is it possible to gain access to it, then?  or is it restricted09:51
GeneralAntillesSure, but it doesn't provide directory listing.09:51
jaemI just got my N810 two weeks ago, so I'm not quite up on everything09:51
jaemhow do I get credentials for it?09:51
GeneralAntillesCheck the apt patches on for the password.09:52
qwerty12 identification.patch09:52
qwerty12Because you can't browse the directory, what I do is grab the Packages file09:53
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jaem@General: you'll have to excuse me, but I still don't quite follow...09:59
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Avegnuton: ok I believe I got it, hacking the hildon-input (framework) sources10:14
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
RST38hmoo, Jaffa10:54
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Mikhowould anybody know if it's possible to clone or serialize a gtk widget?11:18
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* lcuk says good mornin in here instead12:24
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lcukhi sts :)12:25
* lcuk had not much sleep again12:25
lcukare there any combined php + svg gods in the channel.  i have a small thing that I spent some time struggling with and could do with some guidance.    liqbase sketch files into simple svg files on my webserver.  i can give base code that i've started and examples and layouts of the files needed if anyone can help12:28
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lcukpm me if you think you can.12:30
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thuxStskeeps: tried lxde-env got same errors
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Stskeepsthux: did you use Dialog or GTK?13:07
Stskeepsi guess something went wrong in tablet-user13:08
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Stskeepsit's a bit of a work in progress right now :)13:08
thuxi understand13:08
Stskeepsthux: if you can isolate the error in tablet-user that'd be wonderful13:09
Stskeepsi guess you make sure you make a fresh ext3 on the partition, right?13:09
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thuxthis installer is quit now but in sd card is what it installed13:10
thuxwhere logs?13:10
Stskeepsit doesn't really log that well yet13:10
Stskeepstry chroot /mnt/deblet apt-get install tablet-user13:10
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Stskeeps(i guess you didn't reboot since then, .. i hope)13:11
Stskeeps(paste me what apt-get install tablet-user shows, on pastebin)13:17
thuxStskeeps: it first said it is newest but then configured it is it now ready to reboot?13:18
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Stskeepsit succeeded in configuring? ..13:18
Stskeepscan i see the pastebin of it?13:19
thuxyes only locale complaints13:19
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Stskeepsno, not ready to reboot yet sadly13:19
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Stskeepsdid it during the process ask you about Tablet user real name and username and password and such?13:20
thuxyes before installer failed13:20
Stskeepsbesides the password, what did you put as answers?13:21
thuxno real name13:21
Stskeepsok, that might have been the problem13:21
Stskeepscan you do chroot /mnt/deblet debconf-show tablet-user13:22
Stskeepschange your password to *** and pastebin it13:22
* GeneralAntilles hadn't realized he needed to bring out the kid gloves for that one.13:22
thuxi try13:23
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: hmm13:23
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GeneralAntillesWiki and planet are down. Here's to hoping it's a server move. . . .13:52
RST38hIt is the end of the world.13:58
RST38hHE started with the transatlantic cable as an appetizer.13:58
GeneralAntillesRST38h, the nukes went off in the wiki server.13:59
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JamieBennettplanet is working for me14:03
GeneralAntillesApparently it's back up.14:03
JamieBennettbut is it faster?14:03
GeneralAntilles. . . and feels a helluva lot faster.14:03
RST38hThey pulled out Nokia 7710 from the closet and replaced the 770 with it?14:04
JamieBennettplanet is so much faster, weeeeeeee14:05
lcukstop the planet, i wanna get off!14:05
lcukhi JamieBennett14:06
* RST38h goes to check: let us see how it fares after I log in14:06
JamieBennettHi lcuk :)14:06
JamieBennetthttps is still a little slow though14:06
JaffaJamieBennett: how much did you end up paying for your Beagleboard/14:06
RST38hOnce you log in it is still slow =(14:06
RST38hNo, no bagel this time14:06
JamieBennettI replied to your comment but to cut a long story short about £10514:06
* lcuk cant afford a beagleboard or a pandora :(14:07
RST38hlcuk: let us just save for N9x014:07
JamieBennettI have a serial cable coming from ebay now as its one of them 10 pin header jobbies14:07
JaffaJamieBennett: hey, that's not bad. Is that just some special discount?14:07
RST38h'cause the first is a devkit and the second is vapor =)14:07
* Jaffa reads JamieBennett's blog comment14:08
JamieBennettJaffa: No, £89 delivered + £15.46 import duty14:08
JaffaShame I've <0 money.14:08
JamieBennettSo about £10514:08
GeneralAntillesIt was $195 here.14:08
GeneralAntillesWith a power adaptor14:08
lcuklol RST38h yeah right, where do saving come from14:08
RST38hlcuk: you have still got two kidneys, haven't you? =)14:08
* lcuk hasn't got a moneytree14:08
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lcukhang on, thats actually a possibility - they pay more for young healthy organs dont they :D14:09
* lcuk dreams up imaginary ideas of auctioning off his kids14:09
RST38hlcuk: children!!!14:09
RST38hgreat minds think alike14:09
RST38hlcuk: Or you can sell off some secret gov documents you have found in the subway14:10
RST38hIsn't it going to be a classic UK story glorified by Sherlock Holmes novels?14:11
lcuki only found people playing games on old pdas, no gov docs :(14:11
JamieBennettJaffa: Got as far as making sure the leds light up with the BB but no further. Really need a serial cable and a whole lot of time. I'll have more of a play tonight, I'm determined to get some bling on it (I even have a touch screen here to attach :))14:11
GeneralAntillesMake sure you get the correct serial cable.14:12
JaffaJamieBennett: :)14:12
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: Its the 10 pin header jobbies. Ordered from ebay.14:12
Stskeepslcuk: should set up a donation paypal for liqbase :P14:12
lcukJamieBennett, the general is right,  so go to his blog and read his notes and then do the opposite ;)14:12
lcukyes stskeeps i should :)14:13
GeneralAntillesMake sure it's a straight-through adaptor 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc.14:13
lcukbut i dunno how to do that, im not a webman14:13
Stskeepslcuk: it's pretty simple afaik.. sec14:13
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, just be careful if you decide to flash a new u-boot and xloader onto NAND.14:13
lcukGeneralAntilles, !!! time to finally bring your stylish interface into play14:13
JamieBennettIts recoverable though from what I read14:13
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd recommend just booting off ones on the card.14:13
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, yeah, well.14:13
GeneralAntilleslcuk, content?14:14
JamieBennettHave you posted your finding with the BB on your blog?14:14
GeneralAntillesOr just so you can fill it with PayPal buttons? :P14:14
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lcukuh huh - im about half a coding day from first package :) so yes14:14
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, my only blog is :P14:14
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, I have learned quite a bit along the way, so let me know if you run into any roadblocks. ;)14:15
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lcukby the end of the weekend i hope to have the first package at least in extras dev, its quite nice now14:15
GeneralAntillesThe wiki pages on are pretty good, though.14:15
Stskeepslcuk: merchant services -> "Donations", and there's a nice guide14:15
JamieBennettGeneral Antilles: If you have notes then please send them my way, I'll still reading the documentation on beagleboard.org14:15
Stskeeps / wizard14:15
lcukand there was a guy at the summit showing off an SVG customizable VKB - ive just hit him up and see if he wants to bring some of his greatness in to make the keyboard work well14:16
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, only two lines of bootargs, unfortunately.14:16
lcukStskeeps, am i a merchant? i think we have a palpal account - tracy keeps gettin shoes from ebay so i assume so14:16
Stskeepslcuk: there's no startup fees afaik so14:17
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, RST38h, part of the https slowness is because it's not cached.14:17
Stskeepslcuk: i can recommend it atleast, we've gotten quite a bit of donations in my other project :P14:17
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lcukoh cripes, ill go through it during the weekend, :) "live" sketching now works and from the special new screen will automatically try to upload your sketch to      i started coding .liqsketch -> svg in php last night but it needs some more work14:18
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: Yes14:18
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, can we push the same initfs image for both the N800 and N810?14:18
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i think so, fanoush's only patch based on initfs version14:19
Stskeepsand in latest update he only updated one version / file14:19
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RST38hGeneral: This is a dummy reason14:20
RST38hGeneral: Of course it is not cached: it has to process requests for dynamic content14:20
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lcuk_urgdid real me fall out?14:20
GeneralAntillesRST38h, http is faster because it's cached.14:20
RST38hGeneral: The real question is why the system that provides dynamic content (Midgard?) is so damn slow?14:20
lcuk_urghmmm vnc at home has stopped responding14:20
lcuk_urghope the house hasnt burnt down14:21
Stskeepslcuk: no ping response14:21
GeneralAntillesBecause it's on a slow server.14:21
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, do you want to start thinking about a .deb deployment?14:21
RST38hWhy is it STILL on a slow server?14:21
RST38hIt takes <$2000 to get a server nowadays14:21
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i can think of it but i think we should have fanoush in over it14:21
lcuk_urgStskeeps: heh, i gathered that much14:21
GeneralAntillesRST38h, presumably because they're still working on the changeover.14:21
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: diversity in boot menus already cause problems (penguinbait's, fanoush's, my set.. etc)14:22
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, hehe, add another item to the end of his list? ;)14:22
RST38hGeneral: Well, my guess is that the server is not to blame here14:22
Stskeepshe's more than open to people helping out14:22
Stskeepsi have bootmenu svn access so14:22
GeneralAntillesNah, that sounds good.14:22
RST38hGeneral: It is Midgard to blame and somebody should at least check just what database queries it is making14:22
GeneralAntillesWhenever rm_you gets active again I'm going to accost him with plans for a GUI bootmenu control panel.14:23
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RST38hGeneral: Example: SELECT random_shit FROM USERS WHERE NAME=login14:23
RST38hGeneral: nice looking query that will be dog slow if your USERS have not been indexed by NAME14:24
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Stskeepslcuk's burning house is back online!14:24
Stskeepslcuk_urg: i wonder same thing when my home stops responding14:24
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povbotlcuk_urg: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.14:25
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* lcuk3 is a pheonix14:25
lcuk3or a phoenix outside of liqland14:26
lcuk3oh ffs i fail at life14:26
aquatixwhy's that?14:26
GeneralAntillesWell, duh.14:26
Stskeepslcuk3: some years ago when there was a server room fire at some uni in netherlands, people could watch temperature rising of their soon-to-be-burnt-to-death hds14:26
* aquatix stumbles in14:26
lcuk_urgcos i can't spell :)14:26
lcuk_urglol sts14:26
RST38hdo you have to?14:26
aquatixStskeeps: heh, yeah14:27
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lcuk_urgRST38h: yes its more self-facepalmish than anything cos i *know* things are wrong, i just cant type them correctly the first time14:27
RST38hpsychiatrists have a word for that.14:27
RST38h[I don't remember which one. Psychiatrists have a word for THAT too.]14:28
lcuk_urgin your case thats alzheimer's :P14:29
RST38hOh really? =)14:29
Stskeepslcuk_urg: seems relevant at this point14:29
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VeggenStskeeps: a year or two before I came here, there was a cooling system failure in the server room. the backup cooling sent excess heat out in the air.14:31
VeggenStskeeps: it started a grass fire on the outside of the building :)14:31
lcuk3back in a bit14:31
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Veggen(and I think the fire destroyed the fiber to the building, too)14:32
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: btw14:35
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: even if fremantle changes boot process, it's still far off.. it's just silly there's no real info on -what- changes14:36
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Stskeeps(.. and that statement came out of the blue. going drinking tonight - really sounds like a good idea)14:38
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Andy80hi all :)15:15
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lcuk3my god, has the internet stopped, ive never seen it so dead in here on an afternoon16:00
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Stskeepspeople are out drinking?16:03
Stskeepsi know i will tonight16:03
johnx_just came from a drink :)16:03
lcukmmmmm drinking16:04
lcukthat sounds like a really good idea :) i think ill go out on the lash tomorrow night after i push a package somewhere16:04
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johnx_pushing a package anywhere in particular?16:05
Avethanks, laters16:05
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lcukyer johnx, after a test with the people in #liqbase i will get it into extras-dev :)16:06
lcukits very nearly done now, ive covered everything i think i need at app side, its just garnish on the server needed16:07
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chrisak_i'm not able to spot any discussion on the via ITT search:  after latest upgrade, browser right click menu is borked... cannnot open link in new window.   Is this a common/known problem?16:26
johnx_chrisak_, I'll check here16:27
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johnx_works fine here16:28
johnx_is this on every page?16:28
chrisak_so far.... odd.  the top two menu items are "Play..."16:29
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johnx_that's not on my menu16:30
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johnx_did you install some extension?16:30
chrisak_nope, i've got a pretty straight forward setup.... nothing really different installed.  in fact, everything else post upgrade is great16:31
chrisak_i get that odd right click menu even with google links on default start page, ITT site, everything page so far :/16:32
johnx_What are the other options in the menu?16:33
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hrwis there rotation x-server/kernel for diablo 36-5?16:36
chrisak_play..., play..., copy link location, zoom (sub menu), navigation (sub menu), details, and help16:36
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chrisak_browser works perfect otherwise16:37
chrisak_i get odd menu onliy when right clicking a link16:38
jotthrw: (.install does not work yet)16:39
johnx_chrisak_, so you get a normal menu when right clicking the background area of a web page?16:39
chrisak_it appears to be16:40
chrisak_adding bookmark, zooming, etc16:40
hrwjott: thx16:41
chrisak_heh, i feel like a discovered a new species :)16:41
johnx_chrisak_, and what happens when you click "Play..."?16:42
chrisak_it tries to open the link in kmplayer16:43
chrisak_the 2nd "play" tries to open link in default media player16:44
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johnx_now that's a lead :)16:44
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chrisak_its not  a critical problem, just an oddity.... i 'open in new window' a lot..  Thankfully no serious problems... i'm backpacking in asia long term and rreflashing is not rreally an option :)16:46
johnx_if I had to guess, I'd bet it's connected to kmplayer16:47
johnx_do you have dbus-switchboard installed as well?16:47
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thuxStskeeps: now it works, can i set resolution to same as diablo use? bit too small fonts to me16:48
chrisak_i uninstalled world tv and kmplayer... now i have 1 "play...."16:49
johnx_thux, the resolution is the same. set the font size in settings -> appearance16:49
chrisak_still no 'open link in new window'16:50
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johnx_chrisak_, O_o16:50
thuxjohnx_: ok thanks16:50
johnx_chrisak_, you've discovered a new species. congratulations. :P16:50
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chrisak_yay, chris-bug.... if only that was the only bug i catch on this backpacking trip :)  i will try to post about this in ITT soon and see if anyone else has this problem.... thanks for helping :)16:52
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johnx_chrisak_, sure. I searched ITT a little bit, but didn't find much.  I hope you have better luck than me :)16:54
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hrwjott: thx - it works :)16:55
hrwtoo bad that software is hardcoded to 800x48016:55
johnx_hrw, only hildon desktop is for the most part...and a couple other annoying apps16:56
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johnx_that too. it's layout gets slightly screwed up if you even change scroll bar size16:57
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chrisak_parting thought: if anyone reading is interested in rss/podcast apps.... this PenguinTV app recently appearing (extras? develop?  not sure which) is really neat16:58
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Stskeepshow's hildlet going?17:00
Stskeeps-> johnx17:01
johnx_Stskeeps, one thing at a time. :P first I'll package my sawfish hacks17:02
johnx_I want to stop thinking about those before I get into something else17:02
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johnx_chrisak_, awesome! thanks for the heads up17:03
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chrisak_welcome :)17:03
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yaayaais there anyone using pocketsphinx_continuous here ?17:09
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hrwsomeone has maemo sdk and can build one thing for me?17:10
inzhrw, can do17:13
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hrwah.. its C.. no way to declare vars in code..17:14
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hrwinz: - can you try to build it?17:18
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dick-richardsonis it possible to configure the device to run a command after a network connection is established?17:27
woglindeman ifup17:28
aquatixanyone else has the new claws-mail segfaulting on them?17:30
aquatix3.6.0 shows a white window, then segfaults here17:30
johnx_woglinde, ifup isn't used on the tablet17:30
hrwinz: does it builds at all?17:31
woglindejohny for usbnet you can use it17:31
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inzhrw, it has some missing build-dependencies17:31
woglindeand he didnt say which inet connecntion17:31
hrwinz: on libxrandr-dev basically17:31
johnx_woglinde, sorry, I just assumed17:31
inzhrw, others too, but mainly that17:31
hrwinz: I took it from garage and hacked xrandr into it17:32
qwerty12Changed that, these errors still remain:
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robstai can't delete files from the internal mmc on my n810, is there anything i can do?17:36
inzAdded a int xscreen and replaced two screens with xscreen17:37
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dick-richardsonqwerty12: you're the man!17:39
hrwhm. looks like patch needs to be done in other place17:40
woglindeqwerty12 is that you code?17:41
woglindeor you only try to compile?17:41
qwerty12woglinde: only trying to compile17:41
qwerty12it's hrw's code17:41
* qwerty12 can't code for shit :)17:41
woglindeqwerty hehe you could learn it17:41
hrwits not my code - I just hacked it a bit17:41
woglindeI learned it too17:41
qwerty12I'm more of a modder, I usually apply tiny modifications to other people's work :)17:42
dick-richardsonis the 'testing maemo extras' repository a replacement for maemo extras?17:42
johnx_nope, it's for potentially unstable software17:42
dick-richardsonso may not want it activated on a dist-upgrade17:43
dick-richardsoninstall what I need and disable it17:43
* qwerty12 wouldn't recommend an dist-upgrade on maemo in any circumstances17:43
johnx_be very careful if you plan to do a dist-upgrade for some reason17:44
dick-richardsonI got the ssu that way...after a bit of work17:44
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dick-richardsonare you guys keeping your chinook repos active?17:48
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robstai hear that a read-only internal mmc is a known issue, is there a workaround for that?18:32
robstait's full an i can't delete anythin18:32
aquatixthis might be because it's corrupted18:32
aquatixtry checking it18:33
robstaoh, there's something "Read 32 bytes at 2022019072:Input/output error"18:34
robtaylorrobsta: hmm, fraid your mmc card may be foobared18:34
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woglindeyes seems so18:34
robstarobtaylor: awesome, after like switching on like 10 times18:35
woglindemaybe repartition and badblock cans work18:35
qwerty12robsta: Is it an N810 and are you using 48Mhz sd speed kernel?18:35
robstan810, latest software18:35
lcukmore than likely its full partition and corrupt table thats hit18:35
* lcuk doesnt write onto his mmc2 anymore18:36
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RST38hlcuk: why?18:36
* qwerty12 always does. I have an N800 ;)18:36
lcukthe 810 shipped with an incorrectly formatted partition if i remember rightly18:36
RST38hwell, you can fix that by reformatting18:36
lcukit lies about total sectors so corrupts itself when it gets full18:36
bef0rdrobsta, as lcuk said, I had to repartition it too, so, backup your data, delete the partition and create it again18:37
lcukyer can do, but quite simply cant be arsed backing up and reformatting18:37
lcukits just maps :)18:37
RST38hlcuk: Oh come on, you can redownload these maps and the UK maps are not very large anyway18:37
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* lcuk will invest time on the problem when it occurs, its enough to know it exists18:37
RST38hlcuk: And the rest you can easily copy to the external card18:38
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lcukno i cant18:38
lcukexternal card==1gb18:38
woglindegood to know is that there is solution18:38
robstacould anyone help me out with repartitioning quickly? not done that in a long time18:38
RST38hlcuk: Isn't it a reaosn enough to buy a new external card?18:38
Jaffa*Some* N810s shipped with a broken partition table.18:38
lcukno, my 810 works perfectly and i develop happily on it - why rock the boat18:38
lcukim not gonna fuck around and waste time with it when i have more important things to do18:39
RST38hJaffa: ...although given the amount of reports, it is quite possible that "some"=="all" in marketing speech18:39
qwerty12lcuk: some say that using the built in file manager to reformat is enough18:39
JaffaPerhaps. One would hope that it's fixed *now*18:39
lcukand besides, with my console foo i'll make the problem worse ;)18:39
RST38hAnybody tried BOS Wars? Is it worth trying?18:39
RST38hlcuk: you can check if your mmc2 is in danger by checking its size18:40
lcukqwerty12, possibly, but "if it aint broke (properly), then dont try to fix it"18:40
lcuki know RST38h and im  happy that the static content on it isnt gonna grow18:40
qwerty12But if you aint checked it, how do you know it is broke :P18:40
lcukwell my maps still work and theres free space on it, chill :)18:40
qwerty12And if you can't trust a nokia program, what can you trust?...18:41
* lcuk is happy18:41
RST38hqwerty: Nokia hardware?18:41
RST38h~curse Nokia PC Suite just because any reason is enough to curse this abomination18:41
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Nokia PC Suite just because any reason is enough to curse this abomination !18:41
qwerty12RST38h: True, I do have to say, the build quality on my N800 is brilliant18:41
RST38hactually, 810s are quite shoddily made18:43
RST38hthe casing is somewhat assymetric and the silvery paint tends to wear off18:43
RST38h+ front panel is a scratch magnet18:43
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robstaok, after repairing rw mounting work18:49
robstawhat would i use to repartition?18:51
robstacfdisk, fdisk not found18:51
woglindetry to install them?18:52
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johnx_just find cfdisk18:53
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johnx_hang on, I'll dig it up18:53
qwerty12cfdisk is in the deblet repo iirc18:53
johnx_there's no good reason to use sfdisk18:53
robstasfdisk is there18:53
RST38hmkfs repairs partitions well18:53
johnx_RST38h, uhm, what?18:53
qwerty12I know. sfdisk is disgusting but it's shipped with tablet.18:53
RST38hjohnx: shshsh ;)18:53
johnx_:P can't tell when you're joking18:54
qwerty12Is there any preferred method to "suspend" a compile?18:55
robstathanks guys18:56
qwerty12Not close, pause. I guess I could ctrl + z18:56
robstalooks like everything's back on track18:56
summatusmentisctrl+z will just background it won't it?18:56
summatusmentisor am I confused18:56
RST38hyes, usually18:56
qwerty12Hmm, probably does background it.18:56
summatusmentisqwerty12: ctrl+c will stop it, and then you can just rerun the make command, and it should pick up from where it left off18:56
* qwerty12 is confused. I'll just use htop or something.18:56
qwerty12summatusmentis: ah, ok, thanks18:57
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summatusmentis_should_ :) That's how it works for kernel compiles, I assume it's the same for all else18:57
* qwerty12 hopes it's same for webkit, I don't have enough hours in day for that :)18:58
qwerty12stupid pos fails on linking18:58
summatusmentisI assume it is, it's just make18:58
summatusmentisit'll re-build everything if you change parts of the source that have already been built, fyi18:59
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cyrus___Is there anyway to implement the followign in maemo: SSH in as a regular user and then su to root (where you have to know the root password)19:13
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Khertan_n810Hi !19:15
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Jaffacyrus___: is there *any* way? yes; set a root password, disable root ssh logins, disable gainroot, enable /etc/sudoers for the commands you want.19:20
JaffaSame as any other Linux distro.19:20
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* Khertan_n810 don t understand why ui seems to be frozen when i launch 250 python thread doing a socket connection19:22
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moontigerkhertan do u think the whole python engine is single threaded?19:23
moontigeror are the sockets blocking?19:23
rm_youGeneralAntilles: lolz19:23
rm_youGeneralAntilles: that would be very useful, actually19:23
rm_youand probably not especially difficult19:24
Khertan_n810moontiger ... i think the cpu is burning while doing that19:24
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moontigerhmmmmmmmm u think thats it?19:24
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moontigerwhy 250 threads btw?19:26
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Khertan_n810because i made some tests and i ve 250 event in the my calendar database19:27
cyrus___Jaffa - hmm...might not be following. if I setup sudoers to run su, isn't it going to ask for the users password, not the root password when running that command19:27
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cyrus___Jaffa - I want it to ask for the root password19:27
moontigereeesh ... a thread per event??19:28
Khertan_n810yep just a test19:28
moontigerheh cool :)19:28
crashanddie~lart Manuel19:28
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Jaffacyrus___: hmm, I thought there was an option for that in sudoers, if not - install su ;-)19:28
Khertan_n810to see how tablet manage that19:29
moontigerand apparently it doesnt19:29
cyrus___Jaffa - there is su intalled, but if I run su - it returns - applet requires root privileges19:29
moontigermaybe thread pooling is a better idea :)19:30
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Jaffacyrus___: it's because it's part of busybox. rename it to su.real, create a small shell script which is chmod u+s, called 'su' which execs su.real19:32
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johnx_hey Havi19:57
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Havihi johnx20:00
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pumpkin_is it possible to do usb master mode on the n800?20:01
qwerty12usb host mode? certainly20:01
pumpkin_whoops, yes, sorry20:02
pumpkin_is there something special I need to do in software, or do I just need to find a suitable cable20:02
sneakretYou can even make it charge itself via USB. ;)20:02
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johnx_pumpkin_, there are a couple pieces of software that can set the USB mode20:03
pumpkin_cool, I just googled and found some info20:04
pumpkin_thanks :)20:04
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sneakretgoogle > irc20:04
pumpkin_I should've done it first20:04
pumpkin_irc > google, but one should check the latter first :P20:04
sneakretI've said that many times. :)20:04
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sneakret(said I should've googled first)20:05
johnx_pumpkin_, the slightly harder part is finding a cable to hook everything up20:05
sneakretand yeah, I have to agree. :)20:05
sneakretirc > google20:05
pumpkin_johnx_: yeah, I'd imagine20:05
sneakretYou can just use a female->female adapter with the stock cable.20:06
pumpkin_cool, thanks20:07
sneakretor wherever20:07
pumpkin_makes sense, thanks a lot!20:07
sneakretYou're welcmoe.20:08
sneakretI need a good task management tool. :(20:08
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lcukheh, Karoliina Salminen posted a video from her trip to the summit, about the only thing in it relating to n8x0s are clips from liqbase :D20:11
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* Stskeeps watches20:14
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Stskeepskaroliina should do intro music like in XP, .. for maemo20:15
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lcukits quite mello stuff, brought back a lot of great memories20:16
* Stskeeps 's gf just left 15 mins ago for 6 months internship in berlin :P20:17
johnx_oh noes!20:17
lcukwhere are you?20:17
Stskeepswell, in denmark, so not -that- far :P20:17
Stskeepsbut still20:17
Stskeeps.. more development time, i guess :P20:17
johnx_that sucks Stskeeps, but we promise to keep you company20:17
Stskeeps.. more cooking20:17
Stskeeps... more pizza!20:17
lcukjohnx_, sod Stskeeps; theres a lonely girl in berlin - im gettin a ticket :P ;)20:18
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johnx_bah, it's only a 625km drive. easy, easy20:18
johnx_I'd visit every weekend if I were you :)20:18
Stskeepsno car ;)20:18
lcukStskeeps, whats she had to go that far for?20:18
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Stskeepslcuk: international department of danish company20:18
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Stskeepstrainee which may lead to junior consulantship20:19
rm_youhrm, someone recall how to turn on bluetooth visibility of a device in debian?20:19
johnx_Stskeeps, cars are cheap. look at the one I got for $500!
rm_youjohnx_: do you recall?20:19
qwerty12johnx_, I'll give you £250 for it!20:19
Stskeepsjohnx_: no driving license ;)20:19
qwerty12Stskeeps, who needs a license :P20:20
lcukyes Stskeeps, careers, mmmnmmm20:20
johnx_mmm...usually there's an applet in the GUI :)20:20
johnx_rm_you, ^20:20
rm_youlol john, i loved that car :P20:20
dick-richardsonI have dbus-scripts configured and working, but need some help figuring out my problem w/ssh. I create a local tunnel (for my proxy) and a remote tunnel (for ease of typing and cases of theft), but the remote tunnel isn't working20:20
rm_youthat's the one that looked like a penguin, yes? :P20:20
johnx_rm_you, yup20:21
johnx_qwerty12, sorry, someone already beat you to it a while ago20:21
* rm_you fails at finding the bluetooth control applet20:21
johnx_rm_you, run bluetooth-applet20:21
* qwerty12 cries after hearing that news from johnx_ :(20:21
Stskeepsgah. "boot in 5 seconds" threads on iTT20:21
Stskeepsand people asking about it for deblet too20:21
johnx_qwerty12, did you look at it? Why do you want a car like that?20:22
rm_youthere it was >_>20:22
johnx_Stskeeps, now you know why I stopped talking on the forums for the most part...20:22
qwerty12johnx_, if I smash it up when speeding, no worries :P. Actually, I was at a car auction and saw a old old austin maestro go for £2020:23
Stskeepsjohnx_: the debian subforum is (thank god) semi-sane atleast :P20:23
lirithere was a messeging app (including voice) which supported several protocols (gtalk, icq, msn) and was available for the tablet but it wasn't gizmo5 I think...was it that or something else?20:23
Stskeepsjohnx_: but i do want to try experiments like preload and finit-alt though20:23
johnx_liri, pidgin?20:23
johnx_qwerty12, that car had some...issues20:24
liriI thought it was something else, kinda commercial like gizmo520:24
Stskeepsrm_you: you love doing control panel applets btw for maemo?20:24
lcukthe car didnt have issues, it knew it wasnted to die, you wouldnt let it though20:25
rm_youStskeeps: wouldn't say "love", it's just what I have experience with now >_>20:25
johnx_lcuk, nah, just some of the things unrelated to it being a car didn't quite work perfectly20:25
rm_youlcuk: still want pictures of your wooden thing >_<20:25
johnx_rm_you, he put them up before. you missed them :P20:25
lirithere's that telepathy haze or whatever app that's supposed to integrate with the phone's contacts etc, isn't it?20:25
rm_youdamnit! >_<20:26
Stskeepsrm_you: GA's pushing a bit getting into community versions of maemo or something.. and one thing would be for example a control panel for boot items like i have in mine20:26
rm_youStskeeps: yeah he pinged me about it earlier20:26
johnx_liri, rtcomm-beta?20:26
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rm_youI'd prolly be up for that20:26
lcukffs rm_you i gave you one20:26
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rm_youI was planning to work on the route/tile server for vector maps in Maemo Mapper when I actually got some free time...20:26
* Stskeeps would really love some standarization of bootmenu personally20:26
johnx_the new rm_you: now with more fail20:27
rm_youbut that would probably also be very useful20:27
rm_youlcuk: link me again :P20:27
rm_youi only show up here like once every 3 days20:27
rm_youso they scroll off if i've left already20:27
johnx_rm_you, grep lcuk .xchat/xchatlogs/Freenode-#maemo.log | grep -i jpg20:28
lirijohnx_: I think that's the one yeah... that's not released already?20:28
Stskeepsfantastic, one beer and i feel tipsy already20:28
Stskeepsthis is going to be a cheap evening of partyig20:28
johnx_Stskeeps, the best kind20:29
johnx_rm_you, over here :P
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Stskeepshad some pills at one point, made 4x more drunker. that saved my budget as a student :P20:29
lcukrm_you, to prove it, look at the top imageshack image20:29
rm_youyeah yeah i see it now :P20:30
* lcuk hits you round the head with it20:31
rm_youanyway, really do gotta run now20:31
lcukcya later - and try not to fall asleep in the bogs tongiht20:31
rm_youwait... did hrw di a personalmenu that supports rotation display?20:31
rm_youjust see "" in the links20:32
johnx_rm_you, uhm, maybe. not sure20:32
johnx_rm_you, now go, you'll be late for class :P20:32
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woglindehi gnuton20:32
inzlcuk, had I made such page; I had no memory of such thing ;)20:33
GNUtonwoglinde: Hi bot20:33
lcukis that page yours?20:33
lcukahhhahh most useful bit of hackery :)20:34
woglindenice try20:34
inzSee the bottom right20:34
woglindebut turing is not enough20:34
lcukahhh inz, yes white background with white text stands out so well :D i was wondering why i never notieced it before ;)20:34
lcukyou oculd actually make it easier to see by having it visible on summer solstice morning when connected at gps coordinates -24.005982843, 2340938 and holding aloft a cat to the moongods20:35
lcukanyway :) thank you ive been pulling it up for a few months now20:36
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inzlcuk, it's not my fault, it's trac default ;)20:37
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liridoes anyone have a gizmo account? I'd like to try this thing on the n81020:54
* qwerty12 curses as I make a window "100% transparent"20:55
Sargun_Screenbah, how do I make the frackin on screen keyboard show up20:59
johnx_Sargun_Screen, go to control panel, set it so the big keyboard always comes up21:00
Sargun_ScreenI dont always want it to come up though21:00
lcukSargun_Screen, go into control panel and put a tick inside "have cake" and another inside "eat it too"21:02
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hrwrm_you: no - it was just ugly hack which does not work21:11
johnx_hrw, you've seen rm_you's adv backlight with rotation control, right?21:12
hrwjohnx_: I use it21:12
johnx_rm_you, so much for "have to leave right now" :P21:12
rm_youi did21:12
rm_youand then i came back21:12
rm_youJUST got back21:12
rm_youto hear xchat beep at me :P21:12
johnx_that was fast21:12
rm_youi just had to eat / shower :P21:12
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rm_youno more classes today21:12
johnx_saves time when you do those at the same time I guess...21:13
rm_yougoing to the shooting range, then dinner with GF possibly, then dunno :P21:13
johnx_then combine them all! dinner at the shooting range with your girlfriend21:14
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, quite easy, in fact, especially with Stskeeeps new .item system.21:34
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rm_youhrm ok will look in a bit21:38
rm_yougotta run for real now :P21:38
johnx_rm_you's always on the run21:39
* rm_you runs21:39
* GAN800 fires after him.21:39
Havi Ew21:41
Havirm_you: you shot your girlfriend at the shooting range and then had her for dinner?!21:41
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HaviGood God21:42
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rm_youACK, late21:47
* rm_you runs21:47
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inheritedhey, is there a java compiler for the n810 yet?21:58
johnx_There's jalimo:
RST38hcompiler or runtime?22:00
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SavagoHello, friends.22:39
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SavagoI'm trying to port a C library to maemo, but I'm getting this error when I try to link a test app with this library: "invalid string offset 138597000 >= 3250 for22:39
Savagosection `.dynstr'"22:39
SavagoDoes library compilation requires special flags/parameters? I only did "../configure; make; make install" in diablo ARMEL.22:40
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GNUtonMek: ping22:58
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GNUtonjott: ping22:58
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jotthello GNUton23:00
jotthello pupnik81023:00
pupnik810whats new?23:00
pupnik810did you have fun at the summit?23:01
jottyeah indeed. next time you really have to come :)23:01
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GNUtonjott: Are there news about the CMake bug?23:02
pupnik810will comply23:03
jottGNUton: hmm no i don't think so. we will have to contact the people again to get this moving.23:03
GNUtonjott: are you using the latest version of scratchbox? (1.10.11)23:04
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pupnik810it is too cold to type tonight23:05
jottpupnik810: are you outside? :O23:05
GNUtonpupnik810: where are u?23:06
jottGNUton: hmm no .10 currently23:06
pupnik810yaay for the N810 wifi sensitivity23:06
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* jott upgrades :)23:07
jottpupnik810: war-walking? :)23:07
GNUtonjott: me too :)23:07
jottGNUton: any plans for the 4.5 transition?23:07
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pupnik810not exactly - have permission to use wlan23:08
pupnik810any fcc leaks on n9x0?23:09
GNUtonjott: I started to prepare the packages some days ago... but there are always something to fix..23:09
GNUtonand It doesn't finished to compile yet.23:09
jottGNUton: hehe. did you start to port some of the changes or just plain upstream version?23:10
GNUtonI compile Qt only in the night.. because I've only a machine...23:10
pupnik810brr.. gtg - have a nice night :)23:10
GNUtonjott: something23:10
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lpotterGNUton: you shoud try qtextended on a single machine...23:10
jottactually qt extended compiled quite fast here :)23:11
GNUtonhey lpotter! :)23:11
lpotterwell, qtextended does use qbuild!23:11
lpotterhey GNUton23:11
jottlpotter: ah right i need to file a bug, as calling qbuild directly does not respect "-j" parameter :/23:12
lpotterGNUton: do you have trouble linking gmake in scratchbox? when compiling for x86 target?23:12
lpotterjott: it does, but it also has another parameter involved23:12
jottlpotter: ooh, which one? :)23:13
jott(make -j8 worked)23:13
lpotterjott: did you see I released the toolchain we use for n810?23:13
jottyer. not tested yet. it works fine with mine now ;)23:13
lpotteri need to try scratchbox2/SDK+ and start pushing that23:14
GNUtonlpotter: no I don't have any trouble linking gmake..23:14
jottbtw lpotter, is there a list of special widgets introduced in qt extended (like the QSmoothList)23:14
jott(or better special widgets not in base qt)23:15
lpotterGNUton: odd. I had to edit mkpecs and use host-gcc and host-g++ as the native one failed linking qmake23:15
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lpotterjott: in the docs. dont know if there is a list of whats new though23:15
lpotterI know of QCollective (telepathy) and QWhereabouts (gps)23:16
lpotterQtopiaWhereabouts I think23:16
lpotterand Qtoia COllective23:16
jottwould really be interesting to see/use them on qt/x1123:16
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GNUtonToday  I had a discussion with Luciano Wolf about the porting of QtExtended in maemo...23:18
lpotterGNUton: its already ported.. for years now. :)23:18
lpotterwll.. without x11 that is23:19
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lpotteryoucan compile qtextended for x11... you have to edit a file to get the configure argument. its unmaintained really23:19
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GNUtonthat's great..23:20
lpotterI keep pushing for qtextended/x1123:20
lpotterbut it needs a lot of work to make run good. its slow as its not optimized and qt/x11 is slow anyway23:20
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jottlpotter: yeah it would be good to have some separation between low-level qt extended functions and the widgets and different iterview stuff.23:21
jottthis way qt extended stuff could also run on qt/wince ;>23:22
lpotterbah! who uses wince? ;)23:22
jottbut more importantly, it could be used on qt/x11 based embedded devices ;)23:22
jottlpotter: marketing folks :P23:22
* Jaffa watches _Recount_ - good so far ('bout the 2000 US election fsck up)23:23
woglindewasn there one device which runs qtopia/x11?23:24
woglinde*ducks and hide*23:24
jottheh :)23:24
lpotterno. there is no device running qtopia.x1123:25
woglindehm only some apps23:26
lpotterwhat openmoko is doing is not qtopia/x1123:26
woglindebut with zeckes git dir you theoretical could do it23:26
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lpotterwe actually 'ported' qtopai to x11 for a demo on 77023:27
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RST38his downloads dead? can't even create a new project =(23:29
RST38hmoo jaffa, jott, gnuton, handful23:29
handfulRST38h: hail! :)23:29
RST38h~curse 770 that runs maemo.org23:30
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 770 that runs !23:30
jottRST38h: woo!23:30
GNUtonRST38h: Hola!23:31
RST38hWhoever wanted EMUTools on Maemo (qwerty?) the package is now available at . Coming to Extras shortly.23:32
jottlpotter: still it would be really nice to just do something like QT += extendedgui or so to make use of QSmoothList etc. :)23:32
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jottlpotter: go! whip you minions! :D23:34
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jottRST38h: so you are working on a snes emu now? ;)23:35
RST38hjott: shush.23:37
RST38hthere is no need to come to such quick conclusions =)23:37
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vlad_is there an ext2 kernel module for the latest 4.1.1 kernel? (rather, the oprofile-enabled kernel, I guess)23:51
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vlad_oh, nvm, I just didn't have kernel-diablo-modules installed23:53
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vlad_now to find mkfs.ext223:59
vlad_(and/or a mini-sd to sd adapter)23:59

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