| RST38h | As in "Violation punishable by death" | 00:00 |
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| sneakret | (a 70s funk version of the free software song) | 00:00 |
| * RST38h wonders if cutting down screen size, scaling, and the number of drawn frames will make vgba faster on the nxc2600 | 00:01 | |
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| RST38h | only one way to know... | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | cut the bastard! | 00:01 |
| AStorm | blah, tongue cleaners are overrated | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: candida alibins? | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | albinis | 00:01 |
| AStorm | albicans if you mean that | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | i usually see only first part of the name | 00:02 |
| AStorm | actually, there was a nice scientific efficacy test | 00:02 |
| AStorm | a proper mouthwash was more effective ;P | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes, just spit in the glass of water | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | if it's glue-jello like | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | you have it | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
| AStorm | not necessarily that one | 00:04 |
| AStorm | other germs produce biofilms too | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | still, you have something infecting your oral cavities | 00:04 |
| AStorm | definitely, as has everyone ;P | 00:04 |
| AStorm | but then, you have a lot of it | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | oral cavities? | 00:05 |
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| AStorm | no, germs... obviously, there's one oral cavity | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | more with genetic failures | 00:07 |
| sneakret | I think patents (and intellectual property laws in general) need reform. They were intended to reward innovation and creativity rather than stifle it. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No shit? :P | 00:07 |
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| KotCzarny | sneakret: that would be nice, if the lawmakers weren't close friends with bussiness | 00:08 |
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| sneakret | GA: I realize I'm stating the obvious, but it's not so obvious that it's happening. | 00:08 |
| sneakret | I sure hope society can eventually repay Walt Disney for inventing Mickey Mouse! | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | he's dead | 00:09 |
| sneakret | Exactly. | 00:09 |
| sneakret | and his copyright lives on | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | hitting the clone isn't the same | 00:10 |
| sneakret | er...trademark | 00:10 |
| sneakret | whatever | 00:10 |
| johnx | it's the mickey mouse rule | 00:10 |
| johnx | every time mickey mouse is in danger of going into the public domain, copyrights must be extended | 00:10 |
| sneakret | Yeah. That's why I chose Mickey. :) | 00:10 |
| AStorm | trademark is ok | 00:11 |
| AStorm | patents are definitely another issue | 00:12 |
| sneakret | how bout copyright? | 00:12 |
| AStorm | Mickey is not patented, but trademarked | 00:12 |
| sneakret | and what makes trademarks okay? | 00:12 |
| AStorm | copyright is... well :) | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:12 |
| AStorm | the problem is not copyright, but patent | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it that they hunt down mm clones? | 00:12 |
| sneakret | Oh? | 00:12 |
| sneakret | Copyright is a problem too, in my opinion. | 00:13 |
| AStorm | yeah, e.g. MP3 was patented, it only began to spread because of leaked illegal copies of encoders ;P | 00:13 |
| AStorm | then reimplementation (still patented) spread | 00:13 |
| sneakret | Sure... LZW, too. | 00:13 |
| AStorm | sneakret: it really is not, because copyright can't harm others :> | 00:13 |
| sneakret | I agree that patents are a problem. I think copyright is also a problem. | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | m$ windows/dos to | 00:14 |
| AStorm | what can harm is underdescribed protocols | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | too | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | and x86 pcs too | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | although that was intended i think | 00:14 |
| johnx | patents are the worst problem, copyright's are an unfortunate limitation and trademarks are just annoying sometimes | 00:14 |
| AStorm | trick is, copyright should not amount to protocols | 00:14 |
| AStorm | and deciphering protocols should not be considered reverse engineering | 00:14 |
| sneakret | I can go along with johnx | 00:14 |
| sneakret | That's how I'd rank them too. | 00:15 |
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| * lcuk cannot find svn for tablet anymore - has anyone seen it anywhere? | 00:15 | |
| AStorm | deciphering algorithms... meh, shouldn't be too | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | how about hw access protocols? | 00:15 |
| AStorm | this clause should die | 00:15 |
| jott | that does not stop the copyright mafia :) | 00:15 |
| jott | oops | 00:15 |
| jott | backscroll :D | 00:15 |
| sneakret | AStorm: Yeah, now you're starting to talk about why I say copyright is a problem. | 00:16 |
| AStorm | reverse engineering costs money and time anyway :) and you can actually patent your UI solutions | 00:16 |
| AStorm | and algorithms | 00:16 |
| sneakret | There are clauses and surrounding laws that make copyright suck. | 00:16 |
| sneakret | I'm sure the ipod touch wheel is patented | 00:16 |
| AStorm | trick is, how does the company profit if a competitor rev-engs their product | 00:16 |
| AStorm | actually, reverse engineering is... a slow method | 00:17 |
| sneakret | Yep. | 00:17 |
| sneakret | Intellectual property isn't simple to resolve. :) | 00:17 |
| AStorm | and you can patent the algorithms anyway (somewhere) | 00:17 |
| sneakret | somewhere? | 00:17 |
| AStorm | in some parts of the world | 00:17 |
| sneakret | Ah. Yeah, in the US. | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Chinook Extras. | 00:17 |
| AStorm | EU too | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody has packaged it up for Diablo Extras. | 00:18 |
| jott | you can also register them in eu but you can't really enforce them in the eu. | 00:18 |
| AStorm | but, the patent clause is idiotic, it is far too long | 00:18 |
| jott | "provisional" | 00:18 |
| AStorm | so, that's where the reverse engineering clause steps in | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's because no one expected the progress | 00:18 |
| AStorm | to make everyone unable to produce a similar product | 00:19 |
| AStorm | copyright actually has nothing to do with reverse engineering | 00:19 |
| lcuk | thanks GeneralAntilles :) | 00:19 |
| AStorm | while IP on protocols should be banned | 00:19 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder when someone patents bliny, or pancakes | 00:19 |
| AStorm | Intellectual Property is a lie | 00:19 |
| sneakret | "IP on protocols"... haha | 00:19 |
| AStorm | software patents are not | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, package svn up for Diablo Extras. | 00:19 |
| sneakret | Just IPv4, or are you including IPv6 in that? | 00:20 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: 1.5 or is 1.4 enough? :) | 00:20 |
| AStorm | there's no intellectual property, while you can patent algorithms already (e.g. chemicals) | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, whatever's handy. | 00:20 |
| AStorm | medical companies do it all the time (and too long time also) | 00:20 |
| sneakret | I wanna copyright my DNA, then design a virus that splices it into other people, and sue them. | 00:21 |
| AStorm | patents should automatically expire on failure to produce in a set time | 00:21 |
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| sneakret | It'd also be nice if patents expired if they went unenforced for too long. | 00:21 |
| AStorm | sneakret: pity, you actually can't patent life just yet | 00:21 |
| jott | patents are much more effective than copyright :) | 00:21 |
| sneakret | similar to trademark | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:21 |
| AStorm | some guys tried to do that | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | aren't some folks patenting dna? | 00:22 |
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| KotCzarny | or something related to it | 00:22 |
| AStorm | read up on Mycobacterium laboratoriae (or sth) JVCI-1.0 | 00:22 |
| sneakret | Yeah. The mapping of DNA. | 00:22 |
| AStorm | or whatever | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:22 |
| sneakret | of the human genome, specifically | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | that's it | 00:22 |
| sneakret | so I was just taking it to another ludicrous level. | 00:22 |
| AStorm | trick is, that can't be patented as it's not an invention | 00:22 |
| AStorm | you can't patent your own DNA ;P | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | if i am special | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | and it can be used for something? | 00:23 |
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| AStorm | that bacterium is synthetic... so the whole organism could theoretically be patented... if patent system allowed that | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | and no one else has it? | 00:23 |
| AStorm | as organisms are not considered inventions, even if synthetic | 00:23 |
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| sneakret | somehow though, math IS an invention | 00:23 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not an invention, it's prior work | 00:23 |
| sneakret | That's bizarre. | 00:23 |
| AStorm | sneakret: prior work again | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | well | 00:24 |
| sneakret | AStorm: Hmm? | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | you can patent algos | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | math is all algosw | 00:24 |
| AStorm | math as a whole was described long before patent system was in place | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | algos | 00:24 |
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| AStorm | some algorithms | 00:24 |
| AStorm | you can't patent long division for example | 00:24 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | but you can patent physical application | 00:25 |
| sneakret | AStorm: Ah. I meant specific mathematic discoveries can be patented as if they're inventions. | 00:25 |
| AStorm | but if you find a new way to do that operation, be sure to patent it | 00:25 |
| sneakret | when in fact they're inherent laws | 00:25 |
| AStorm | discoveries? | 00:25 |
| AStorm | like which? | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | methods to solve misc things? | 00:25 |
| AStorm | == algorithms | 00:26 |
| AStorm | you can't patent the law these are based on | 00:26 |
| sneakret | http://righttocreate.blogspot.com/2005/12/ridiculous-patent-patenting-math.html | 00:26 |
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| KotCzarny | what if there is only one way to solve something? | 00:26 |
| sneakret | or one "best" way | 00:26 |
| sneakret | where everything else is just an approximation or obfuscation | 00:27 |
| AStorm | that one is previous work | 00:27 |
| AStorm | they can patent the circuit, but not algorithm | 00:27 |
| AStorm | that algorithm was long known and described in literature | 00:27 |
| AStorm | enforcing this will fail in court | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | sure. | 00:27 |
| sneakret | It's still patented. | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | just obfuscate it with weird words | 00:28 |
| sneakret | and it is still a nuisance to be sued | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | and people at patent office allow it | 00:28 |
| AStorm | sneakret: yes, so what? | 00:28 |
| AStorm | they will pay the costs, not even the best lawyer would get them out of it | 00:28 |
| sneakret | http://www.amazon.com/Math-You-Cant-Use-Copyright/dp/0815749422 | 00:28 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, so what? a court will reject it | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | what if they bribe the court? | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:29 |
| AStorm | patent can be contested in court as most other things | 00:29 |
| sneakret | If you the party suing you has enough money, and you have little enough, it doesn't really matter if they win the suit. They can still put you out of business. | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | law is a law | 00:29 |
| AStorm | then they break the law already by bribery | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | no matter how stupid | 00:29 |
| AStorm | ;P | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| AStorm | sneakret: they can stop your business | 00:29 |
| AStorm | which is horrible in case of patents | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:30 |
| AStorm | the clause should be revised to disallow such stupid actions and instead require a full recall if a violation is found | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | someone tried to patent @ also | 00:30 |
| sneakret | Yeah. So when you say math can't be patented, it seems like that's only a technicality. | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | and doubleclick | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, when the fuck are we gonna get git as an RCS on the garage? | 00:30 |
| AStorm | sneakret: laws can't be | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | (or was it tripleclick) | 00:30 |
| AStorm | algorithms based on the laws can | 00:30 |
| sneakret | laws can't be what? | 00:30 |
| AStorm | patented | 00:30 |
| sneakret | Oh. Mathematic laws. Gotcha. | 00:30 |
| AStorm | so, if they manage to compute small cosines another way, then they win | 00:31 |
| sneakret | Still, if someone patented the provably most efficient way of calculating pi, that would suck. | 00:31 |
| AStorm | well, that patent should be impossible to extend | 00:31 |
| AStorm | patent extension is the most horrible thing ever | 00:31 |
| AStorm | it should die | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you don't remember the answer to that one from before? :P | 00:32 |
| AStorm | and it should be short enough in case of software | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's a very non-trivial task to integrate it into gforge. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, feel free to provide patches, though. ;) | 00:32 |
| AStorm | at most a few years (as in, <=5) | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you could always talk a semi-integrated solution, though. | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I might have had a few beers, my memory doesn't serve me well | 00:32 |
| AStorm | patents are meant to provide a headstart to the developer of technology | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., account sharing, but no website-integration. | 00:33 |
| sneakret | Extension of copyright is also something I'd like to see killed. | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | were meant | 00:33 |
| AStorm | well, copyright is not timed | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | now it's a lock on competition | 00:33 |
| AStorm | actually, it is, but it's specifically a very long time | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I just want to have a RCS that allows a circular development, and that tracks contents, not files | 00:33 |
| sneakret | Yeah. And you can file for extensions. | 00:33 |
| AStorm | as copyright was meant to work for life of an artist | 00:33 |
| AStorm | copyright should never have been extended to corporations... or in that case, should've been impossible to extend | 00:34 |
| sneakret | AStorm: You keep saying you disagree, but then you agree. | 00:34 |
| AStorm | well, I do agree | 00:34 |
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| AStorm | but copyright can be longer, much longer than patent | 00:34 |
| AStorm | it's nowhere as important as patents | 00:35 |
| sneakret | Hmm... you're talking as if you know more about this than everyone else here. | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, well, poke -community. | 00:35 |
| AStorm | sneakret: see, copyright is on this exact product | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, and get with ferenc | 00:35 |
| AStorm | not on a whole family of products | 00:35 |
| sneakret | AStorm: I know about copyright. | 00:35 |
| sneakret | I know about patent. | 00:35 |
| AStorm | good for you :) | 00:36 |
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| sneakret | Dude. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I know about copyright!!!! >:| | 00:36 |
| sneakret | You're being pretty obnoxious. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry, what? | 00:36 |
| sneakret | You're lecturing on stuff. | 00:36 |
| AStorm | Yeah | 00:36 |
| AStorm | I have to stop being a preacher | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | who? | 00:36 |
| sneakret | I say something, then you disagree, then you explain it as if I don't know about it, then you agree. | 00:36 |
| sneakret | Sorry. Talking to AStorm. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haaa | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | well | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | it's a matter of dictionaries | 00:37 |
| AStorm | sneakret: well, in case of copyrights, you're right | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | and explaining thoughts | 00:37 |
| AStorm | but in case of patents vs math, you were wrong :) | 00:37 |
| sneakret | I said "math can be copyrighted" | 00:37 |
| sneakret | er... patented | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | it's usually the cause of misunderstandngs | 00:37 |
| AStorm | math can't | 00:37 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 00:37 |
| AStorm | algorithms can | 00:37 |
| AStorm | :) | 00:37 |
| sneakret | Algorithms are math. | 00:37 |
| AStorm | algorithms ) math | 00:37 |
| sneakret | They fall within that space. | 00:37 |
| sneakret | I wasn't saying "all math can be patented" | 00:38 |
| AStorm | well, it sounded like that, you didn't qualify which part of math ;P | 00:38 |
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| sneakret | No, I didn't. | 00:38 |
| AStorm | the default quantifier is "any" | 00:38 |
| sneakret | To you, maybe. | 00:38 |
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| AStorm | no, in math | 00:38 |
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| AStorm | or even, every | 00:39 |
| sneakret | It might make sense for the default qualifier to be the one that makes sense. | 00:39 |
| sneakret | ;) | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | math is more than algos | 00:39 |
| sneakret | Yep. | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: but i piss more freely | 00:39 |
| AStorm | sneakret: well, math is about generalization | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | math is about modelling | 00:39 |
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| AStorm | so there the default quantifier is "for every possible value of variables" | 00:40 |
| sneakret | AStorm: If I use "math" in a sentence, it doesn't mean | 00:40 |
| AStorm | I think language should follow that rule too | 00:40 |
| AStorm | ;P | 00:40 |
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| AStorm | (unless context suggest something else) | 00:40 |
| sneakret | ... it doesn't mean my language is suddenly bound by mathematic conventions | 00:40 |
| AStorm | (and it didn't) | 00:40 |
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| AStorm | so, again, we're at miscommunication ;P | 00:41 |
| sneakret | Yeah. | 00:41 |
| lcuk | welcome to the internet. | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:42 |
| AStorm | heh... are there some free vector maps I could abuse? | 00:42 |
| lcuk | osm | 00:42 |
| AStorm | these are vector? excellent | 00:42 |
| lcuk | i believe so yes | 00:42 |
| sneakret | so, regarding miscommunication... I've found that rather than looking for a way in which someone is wrong, it's more effective to look for a way to interpret what someone says so that it makes sense, then restate it for clarification. | 00:42 |
| AStorm | I know they're missing much | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | http://3d2f.com/tags/trace/map/ | 00:42 |
| sneakret | People don't go "Dude. You're being obnoxious." | 00:42 |
| sneakret | :) | 00:42 |
| AStorm | sneakret: except sense is relative | 00:42 |
| lcuk | but advertising for them and using where practical makes for a better experience as others join in | 00:42 |
| AStorm | there's no "common" sense | 00:43 |
| sneakret | AStorm: Sure. That's why you restate it. | 00:43 |
| sneakret | I'm just saying... look for a way to agree rather than disagree. | 00:43 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 00:43 |
| sneakret | You can reach the same conclusion. | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | math isn't relative | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's the only thing in universe (other than God) that isn't | 00:44 |
| AStorm | if you remove notation from it, then definitely it's not :) | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | my mother in law isnt relative either (or i wish) | 00:44 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: hard science isn't relative, hehe | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_notation | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | hard science works on perceived world | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | and our ways to perceive are flunky | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | => relative | 00:44 |
| mavhc | has anyone tried to steal the vector maps from google maps instead of the tiles? | 00:46 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, apply more anasthesia | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jeez, lcuk. | 00:46 |
| lcuk | mavhc, i guess yo uare gonna try soon | 00:46 |
| lcuk | im out of beer | 00:46 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: well, hard is the non-relative part | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | any other anasthesia? | 00:46 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: still, you work on flunky data | 00:47 |
| AStorm | or that relativity is very precisely described by laws (guess, physics) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | only hard coding | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: bats? | 00:47 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: flunky data is described by error laws | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you know they sell stuff at the drug store for oral pain, right? | 00:47 |
| AStorm | which is part of statistics, which is a branch of math | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | drugs + alco == bad things happen | 00:48 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Local anesthetic. | 00:48 |
| AStorm | some drugs, yes, NSAIDs and antibiotics | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: applied math | 00:48 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: pure too | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | if it involves statistical DATA, then not | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like Orajel | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | algos in statistics are pure | 00:49 |
| AStorm | yes, then it's math applied to data | 00:49 |
| AStorm | you can say that something is true with a confidence interval of... | 00:49 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yer but im a man - i have a god given right to moan and complain and not do anything about it :D | 00:49 |
| AStorm | (or in other words, with probability of...) | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, suit yourself. :P | 00:49 |
| lcuk | besides it only hurts when i yawn for now | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | or eat? | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:50 |
| lcuk | havin 3 hands a drill and a hoover in my mouth tents to strain it somewhat | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | i had spag bol | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | spag bol? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | spaghetti bolognese | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | yummy | 00:51 |
| AStorm | have a soup ;P | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't eaten spaghetti for a long time | 00:52 |
| lcuk | im good at sucking | 00:52 |
| lcuk | (thats another quote people will take out of context) it only hurts when i have to open my mouth wide | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | fnarr | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | lol jaffa - why have you got "sucking" as a highlight thing. you only stopped lurkin when i mentioned it :P | 00:53 |
| AStorm | lcuk: fearing double entendre? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | wouldnt be the first time in here | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: coincidence, I brought back up my screen session to set something downloading with wget | 00:54 |
| sneakret | lcuk: I thought "it only hurts when I yawn" was a pretty funny followup to your comment about having the right to complain and do nothing about it. It was kinda the ultimate expression of apathy. | 00:54 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | it should settle down soon, at least i can talk now | 00:55 |
| sneakret | I can't hear you! | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | put your ear closer to the monitor then | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | joinusnowandsharethesoftwaareyouwillbefreehackerssyoullbefreee | 00:56 |
| sneakret | Haha. That's stuck in my head too. | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | we will kick out those dirty licences | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:56 |
| sneakret | It's so bad it's catchy! | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:56 |
| tlacuache | looking for advice for the best lightweight http server for n800/os2008/diablo. had apache, but it's really overkill for what i need. i've read about thttpd, but can't seem to find it for os2008 | 00:56 |
| * Jaffa had to do a quick Google after reading a couple of bits from Russell T. Davies' book which the Times printed last week whilst we were in Berlin; including some stuff about the Christmas Special (Doctor Who) | 00:57 | |
| lcuk | cool jaffa | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | thttpd ? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | that reminds me, i got nivens latest book | 00:57 |
| lcuk | it was meant to come in time for the summit, but arrived a couple of hours after i setoff | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | lighttpd could work too | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | jaffa - did they print extracts or could you get the book itself? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | mind you, it was the times, it probably had the hardback included | 00:59 |
| * lcuk rememebers those hefty bastards from bein a paperboy | 00:59 | |
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| sneakret | As far as I can tell, there aren't any downloadable builds of lighttpd or thttpd for os2008 | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | wanna bin? | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | i think it compiles cleanly | 01:02 |
| sneakret | I think tlacuache would appreciate it. | 01:02 |
| tlacuache | yeah, that's what i found | 01:02 |
| tlacuache | couldn't find a build for 2008 | 01:03 |
| sneakret | tlacuache: Sounds like KotCzarny is volunteering to provide you with one. | 01:03 |
| tlacuache | that'd be sweet | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | but compiling will be good for you | 01:03 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | as it's a trivial task | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| sneakret | Oh? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:03 |
| tlacuache | i've not cross-compiled for my tablet yet, i'm afraid. | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | unpack, ./configure, make | 01:04 |
| sneakret | Ah. Once you have a build enviromnent. | 01:04 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:04 |
| sneakret | Getting the build environment set up isn't trivial. | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | that one is a matter of running one script | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | at least was for me | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:04 |
| sneakret | Oh yeah? | 01:04 |
| sneakret | Enlighten me. | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | downloads and installs everything | 01:05 |
| sneakret | Awesome. | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | that was around april though | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | don't know if the complicated things in diablo sdk | 01:05 |
| jott | you could even use the vmware image if you don't have linux running :) | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: two extracts; book's supposed to be good. Lots of interesting behind-the-scenes stuff: it a series of emails between RTD and the co-writer | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 01:06 |
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| Jaffa | Almost blog-like | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | there is a script | 01:06 |
| jott | na, it's always trivial. at least if you use the right distribution :) | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | jott: worked in slackware :) | 01:06 |
| lcuk | jaffa, cool i may have to check it out | 01:06 |
| sneakret | Seems like it wasn't trivial in ubuntu when I did it. | 01:06 |
| sneakret | It wasn't extremely painful though. | 01:06 |
| jott | ubuntu/debian couldn't be easier. | 01:06 |
| sneakret | Oh? | 01:06 |
| sneakret | Hook me up! | 01:07 |
| jott | it was made for ubuntu/debian. :/ | 01:07 |
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| jott | just read the 3 step manual :) | 01:07 |
| sneakret | Maybe the doc I found was overcomplicated. | 01:07 |
| sneakret | Maybe I WILL! | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | that's what you get for giving clicky-shiny ui for the people! | 01:07 |
| jott | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt | 01:07 |
| sneakret | I think maybe the doc I found was trying to set up too much other crap. | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you just tried to follow manual install chapter | 01:07 |
| mavhc | my n810 diablo just asked me to update canola, but then said it can't find python2.5-terra, am I missing a repo? | 01:08 |
| sneakret | Could be. | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | instead of 'automatic install' one | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | manual install is indeed longer | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, ignore it or disable Extra-devel. | 01:08 |
| jott | i mean it boils down to run "maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh" as root and "maemo-sdk-install_4.1.sh" as user | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | good to know how it works | 01:08 |
| handful_ | mahvc do you have extras-devel | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | but then automatic script is just doing all those steps in a script | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:09 |
| jott | even the vsdo stuff should show up in the script.... | 01:09 |
| jott | so you won't have to look it up | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha. The Canola flickr plugin is _awesome_. | 01:09 |
| sneakret | GA: Oh yeah? | 01:09 |
| handful_ | GeneralAntilles: I was so happy about that :) | 01:09 |
| sneakret | Good to hear! | 01:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles browses handful_'s Summit photos. | 01:10 | |
| mavhc | handful_: yes, should I not? | 01:10 |
| sneakret | Oh. I know what was wrong with the installation instructions. It didn't define the components. | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, just ignore it. | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a false alarm. ;) | 01:11 |
| handful_ | mavhc: yes.. you shouldnt.. because cabnoola beta10 is bening uploaded | 01:11 |
| handful_ | yeah | 01:11 |
| handful_ | we are fighting | 01:11 |
| sneakret | it just assumes you know what scratchbox is, etc. | 01:11 |
| handful_ | against segfaults :) | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel is fine in general, though. | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | well | 01:12 |
| jott | those are install instructions. read it up elsewhere if you want to know :/ | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | there is a script for scratchbox install too | 01:12 |
| mavhc | so just ignore the errors if I have it enabled? | 01:12 |
| sneakret | jott: I understand that the information is available. :) | 01:12 |
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| sneakret | but a summary sentence would also be cool | 01:13 |
| jott | file a bug. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | handful_, what are you shooting with? The close up of that wooden motorcycle model looks really nice. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, yes, just ignore it for now. | 01:14 |
| handful_ | what? | 01:14 |
| jott | but still. those are installation instructions. you should know what you want to install ;) | 01:14 |
| sneakret | I haven't actually done any NIT development yet, and I'm not familiar with the tools. Where should I start? | 01:14 |
| handful_ | ah the pictures? | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:14 |
| jott | sneakret: maemo reference manual? | 01:14 |
| sneakret | How to I learn what I want to install? :) | 01:14 |
| handful_ | it's the cheapest canon | 01:14 |
| handful_ | the rebel xti | 01:14 |
| handful_ | :) | 01:14 |
| mavhc | thanks | 01:14 |
| handful_ | I am a noob :)O | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles also has an XTi. | 01:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just got on the DSLR train a few months ago. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a wonderful thing. :D | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, HALP | 01:15 |
| handful_ | I need to learn, then I will buy some lenses | 01:15 |
| lcuk | does anyone know how i can recover my "Project admin" position on liqbase. ermmmm at some point in time i appear to have demoted myself :S | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50mm f/1.4 and a 50-250mm IS (or the 70-300mm if you want to splurge). | 01:16 |
| sneakret | jott: Thanks for pointing me at the maemo reference manual. That was seriously the piece of information I was missing. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bundled 18-55mm really sucks. | 01:16 |
| lcuk | <<<< fail | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | Word, meet lcuk: http://www.knitemare.org/cats/halp_orange.jpg | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | world** | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, did you ever upgrade me? :P | 01:17 |
| lcuk | lol you are listed higher than me \@/ | 01:17 |
| * Jaffa sleeps | 01:17 | |
| * lcuk wonders when you are releasing the new version :P | 01:17 | |
| sneakret | The 50mm f/1.4 is pretty pricey. I settled for the f/1.8 | 01:18 |
| sneakret | Less than a third as much money | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, yeah, a _lot_ cheaper | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you do pay for it. ;) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, its no hassle for now - at least now the issue is known i can wait until monday and have a go and cleanup the package myself | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you'll probably need X-Fade or ferenc to fix it for you. | 01:18 |
| lcuk | yer i know | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | more x-fade than ferenc | 01:19 |
| sneakret | Well, I also got the 70-300mm | 01:19 |
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| sneakret | or something close to that. Now I have to check. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:19 |
| Luria | hi | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, worst thing about the 1.8 is the 5-blade aperture. | 01:21 |
| sneakret | I lied. I got a 28-75mm | 01:21 |
| sneakret | The 70-300 is on my wish list though! | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lenses are the worst | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd think the camera would be the real investment | 01:22 |
| sneakret | Not sure what 5-blade aperture is. | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | but, nooo, it's all the damn lenses you have to buy. | 01:22 |
| sneakret | Yeah, the camera ends up being cheap in the long run. :) | 01:22 |
| sneakret | I assume it means the shutter only has 5 blades | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, look at the images here: http://photo.net/equipment/canon/ef50/ | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ruins the bokeh. | 01:23 |
| sneakret | but I don't know how that translates to photos | 01:23 |
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| sneakret | bokeh? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blurred lights in the background. | 01:23 |
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| sneakret | I see. | 01:23 |
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| sneakret | For me, it was the f/1.8 or no 50mm. | 01:24 |
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| sneakret | Of course, I have the 28-75mm, so maybe no 50mm would've been okay. | 01:25 |
| sneakret | :/ | 01:25 |
| sneakret | I didn't know what I was doing when I chose my lenses. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, 50mm is a fantastic lens | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | the type of lens you can take into a dark party and shoot without a flash. | 01:25 |
| sneakret | It's been nice. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very fast | 01:25 |
| sneakret | Yeah. | 01:26 |
| sneakret | I refer to it as my Christmas Morning lens. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:26 |
| sneakret | (Great for taking pictures on Christmas morning.) | 01:26 |
| sneakret | I haven't had it on a Christmas morning yet though. | 01:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really want to get a macro lens | 01:27 |
| sneakret | I've been loving mine. | 01:28 |
| * lcuk wonders if hes ok to drink n code | 01:29 | |
| * lcuk backs up first | 01:29 | |
| Kegetys | I just got extension tubes, works ok for macro and very cheap :) | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, backup | 01:29 |
| lcuk | lol - i had an "experience" recently kot whilst you were afk and I somehow managed to add a bug somewhere | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | coding while intoxicated is very damaging to the code | 01:30 |
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| sneakret | That's for sure. | 01:30 |
| lcuk | but theres a ballmer threshhold | 01:31 |
| lcuk | peak | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | but it's only for pros | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | :D http://xkcd.com/323/ | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
| * lcuk is mostly amateur and writes sloppy code | 01:32 | |
| Luria | mmmm nikon 105/2 ftw | 01:32 |
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| oys | did anyone record video of the varioes Maemo Summit talks? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, a few people | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari's talk and the dev session are already up. | 01:50 |
| oys | GeneralAntilles: I saw a few of them.. but I was wondering if someone had collected links to everything | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of them have been mentioned on Planet. | 01:51 |
| oys | I found a great list of torrents from the CCC and it's nice for us students that don't have time/money to travel | 01:52 |
| oys | GeneralAntilles: I'll have another read-through and keep my eyes open | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'll probably be aggregated on the wiki at some point. | 01:53 |
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| oys | GeneralAntilles: that would be nice.. it was what I was looking for | 01:54 |
| GAN800 | Feel free to bug maemo-community about it. | 01:55 |
| oys | wiki.maemo.org is down, if not, I'd start it myself.. maybe later | 01:56 |
| GAN800 | It's up | 01:56 |
| GAN800 | reload | 01:56 |
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| oys | GAN800: I still can't get http://wiki.maemo.org to load. I can connect, send my request, and then recieve no response | 02:14 |
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| Andy80 | oys: it often happens to me too | 02:22 |
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| AStorm | ok, does anyone have that fork of maemo-mapper available for diablo, or anything new? | 02:23 |
| AStorm | because gdbm is horrible | 02:23 |
| AStorm | esp. the fact that mapper has to copy the whole db to compact it | 02:23 |
| Andy80 | AStorm: why a fork? I'm not updated about this news... sorry.. | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | htm, isn't mm using sqlite? | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 02:24 |
| AStorm | Andy80: ITT one | 02:24 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's using gdbm | 02:24 |
| AStorm | I found something by chance | 02:24 |
| Andy80 | AStorm: what are the main differences? | 02:24 |
| AStorm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16838 | 02:25 |
| AStorm | it's more efficient and easier to manage | 02:25 |
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| AStorm | and doesn't kill mmc as fast | 02:26 |
| AStorm | 2.2.mod.1 :> | 02:26 |
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| AStorm | for some reason, no one even tried to include these mods to mainline | 02:27 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm, nice find | 02:28 |
| AStorm | forward port should be fairly easy | 02:28 |
| AStorm | because changes between 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 were mostly cosmetic | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | why not contacting author directly? | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | removing memory cache is nice too | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | as it's slowing down everything and even crashing the app | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | (system needed to close blabla) | 02:30 |
| AStorm | oh, gnuite not liky | 02:31 |
| AStorm | they had a talk long time ago and mapper is still worse than this modded 2.2 | 02:31 |
| AStorm | so... | 02:31 |
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| KotCzarny | The MM2.2 Mod 1 includes all the features up to official MM2.3.1 release, | 02:32 |
| AStorm | yes, why not :) | 02:33 |
| AStorm | trick is, that for some reason mapper is friggin slow after I downloaded 0,6 GB of maps | 02:33 |
| AStorm | it takes a long time to find them, which means gdbm is to blame | 02:34 |
| AStorm | pure ext3+htrees is faster | 02:34 |
| AStorm | (and that is not stellar as far as dbs are concerned) | 02:35 |
| AStorm | ext2+htrees should be faster still | 02:36 |
| AStorm | for some reason, I'm probably overflowing gdbm's hash tables | 02:36 |
| AStorm | or at least they're not cached in memory and have to be read in every time | 02:36 |
| AStorm | I put the maps on immc | 02:37 |
| AStorm | so it's entirely uncompressed | 02:37 |
| AStorm | I'll contact the author later and see if we can devise a solution | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | damn dhl. | 02:39 |
| AStorm | seems there is some cache | 02:39 |
| AStorm | but it might be just pure filesystem cache of the kernel | 02:39 |
| AStorm | (closest zoom levels of a location are cached) | 02:40 |
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| Andy80 | AStorm: is this version "maemo-mapper_2.2.mod.1-os2008_armel.deb" valid for os2008 DIABLO? | 02:55 |
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| AStorm | no idea | 03:06 |
| AStorm | btw, how can I export a google maps route to mapper? | 03:06 |
| AStorm | the default planning in mapper uses Google, but allows only two points... and no inter-routes | 03:06 |
| AStorm | alternatively, how can I merge routes? | 03:07 |
| GAN800 | It's just gpx | 03:07 |
| GAN800 | You can append as many routes as you want to the end of the route. | 03:08 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=5141 | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | 16gb sd micro | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | by sandisk | 03:10 |
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| KotCzarny | well, sdhc micro | 03:10 |
| derf | Yeah, I've heard "will be shipping" before. | 03:10 |
| AStorm | GAN800: I know it's gpx... | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | will ship in October. | 03:11 |
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| KotCzarny | soon we will know | 03:11 |
| AStorm | but, how do I export a route from google maps ;P | 03:11 |
| AStorm | alternatively, how do I append to the route | 03:11 |
| derf | Wake me when we know. | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: rip it with a knife | 03:11 |
| AStorm | (it seems that route download option fails on second time too ;P ) | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | onlt class 2 though | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 03:12 |
| AStorm | (as in, mapper dies) | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.gearlog.com/images/16gbmicro.jpg | 03:13 |
| Jsn0327 | could someone suggest a good video converter from avi to something the n810 can play well? | 03:14 |
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| GAN800 | ~mediautils | 03:15 |
| infobot | i guess mediautils is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ | 03:15 |
| Jsn0327 | thanks | 03:16 |
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| mdg | hello! | 03:21 |
| mdg | Does the 770 with a 512 MB rs-mmc running hackeros2007 store downloaded software on the memory card? | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only if you're booting from it. | 03:23 |
| mdg | is it better to boot from the mmc? | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can be. | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | more capacity | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | more fun | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | and you can have few cards with different oses | 03:24 |
| Jsn0327 | what is the latest version of maemo? | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | diablo, but not for 770 | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 03:25 |
| Jsn0327 | is it past the first official release of diablo? for the n810 | 03:26 |
| mdg | does it need to be formatt/what partitions/what size? | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~release-history is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history | 03:26 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 03:26 |
| AStorm | hmm, now it didn't die | 03:27 |
| AStorm | something must've happened then ;> | 03:27 |
| mdg | the 770 has 64 mb built in ram right? | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | (damn dhl) | 03:28 |
| mdg | but I could partition my 512 mb card and have more room for programs and such right? | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | mdg what has ram to do with partitions? | 03:29 |
| mdg | I don't know? | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | and it shows | 03:29 |
| Jsn0327 | GeneralAntilles thanks | 03:30 |
| AStorm | mapper could use some optical zoom (not just double pixels) | 03:30 |
| AStorm | otherwise most maps are too small to read when using a car for instance | 03:30 |
| mdg | I meant the memory card that came with the 770 was 64 mb? | 03:30 |
| AStorm | and double-pixel is ugly, also only 100% zoom :> | 03:30 |
| AStorm | some simple bicubic filter would be enough | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn off pixel doubling, then. . . . | 03:31 |
| AStorm | then the map is too small! | 03:31 |
| AStorm | I mean, roads are | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Increase the zoom level. | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | get a bigger map ? | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:31 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: zoom 4 is not enough even | 03:31 |
| AStorm | the road is very thing | 03:31 |
| AStorm | *thin | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | get a bigger road? | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very blind? | 03:31 |
| AStorm | no, the n810 is located about 0.5m from the driver | 03:32 |
| AStorm | or more | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | mount hud projector? | 03:32 |
| AStorm | harhar... funny | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | but how nice of an idea | 03:32 |
| AStorm | this is a major lack of feature | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it? | 03:32 |
| AStorm | yes, but how do I wire it to n810? ;P | 03:32 |
| AStorm | also, expensive | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buy a Beagle and build a carputer. | 03:33 |
| AStorm | while software scaling is free (excluding CPU time) | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | remember that video where they used n8x0 for presentation? | 03:33 |
| AStorm | that was USB | 03:33 |
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| AStorm | no HUD does this | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 03:33 |
| AStorm | well | 03:33 |
| AStorm | simple stupid bicubic scaler would be good and fast enough | 03:33 |
| AStorm | why isn't that implemented? ;P | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | ask author? | 03:34 |
| AStorm | I will suggest such a feature | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | good | 03:34 |
| AStorm | maybe even implement it | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | better | 03:34 |
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| AStorm | but, pity no one did it earlier | 03:34 |
| AStorm | it is a must-have | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | no o ne needed probably | 03:34 |
| AStorm | double px is almost ok at that range | 03:34 |
| AStorm | but looks pixelated obviously ;P | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | i'm shortsighted anyway | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 03:35 |
| AStorm | uhm, in a car? | 03:35 |
| AStorm | if you were that shortsighted, you wouldn't be able to read a printed map | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:36 |
| AStorm | trick is, with this high DPI the screen has... the maps are about 1/4 the original size (on my laptop) | 03:36 |
| AStorm | wrong, 1/3 | 03:36 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | hud. | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:36 |
| AStorm | no, scale the maps | 03:36 |
| AStorm | x3 to get actual 1:1 vs an 85 dpi screen | 03:37 |
| AStorm | or close to it | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | sdl pixel doubling? | 03:37 |
| AStorm | there is pixel doubling, but it's not true scaling | 03:37 |
| AStorm | == looks horrible | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | i mean sdl uses hardware chip to double pixels | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | well, scale | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | pixel | 03:38 |
| AStorm | hmmmm, interesting | 03:38 |
| AStorm | that could be useful, although I don't know how to do that | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but it changes whole screen res | 03:38 |
| AStorm | and mapper doesn't use SDL for display | 03:38 |
| mdg | anyone else here a noob too or all you all old pros? | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | and hw chip scales it to fs | 03:38 |
| AStorm | ah, so unusable | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | mdg: mixed | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: not really, useful | 03:39 |
| AStorm | yes, but not in this case | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | full screen -> 400x240 | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | and you are done | 03:39 |
| AStorm | because mapper is not necessarily fullscreen | 03:39 |
| AStorm | and doesn't even use SDL | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | but it supports going to fs | 03:39 |
| AStorm | I'd have to rewrite it more or less | 03:39 |
| AStorm | yes, but uses GTK then | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know if it's sdl or x11 | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | one of them | 03:40 |
| AStorm | it's GTK | 03:40 |
| AStorm | whatever gtk uses | 03:40 |
| AStorm | (most likely x11 ;P ) | 03:40 |
| AStorm | so, I'll have to do the scaling manually, in asm | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | not that hard | 03:41 |
| AStorm | maybe in C first, bicubic scaler is simple enough though to try it in asm | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | you can probably steal mplayer code | 03:41 |
| AStorm | maybe, depends on the format | 03:41 |
| AStorm | I'll get a GTK canvas, from which I can get context | 03:42 |
| AStorm | actually, not | 03:42 |
| AStorm | I get an unpacked PNG | 03:42 |
| AStorm | or jpg | 03:42 |
| AStorm | or whatever format is that | 03:42 |
| AStorm | then scale as usual | 03:42 |
| AStorm | code is a bit messy | 03:43 |
| AStorm | anyway, I'll contact gnuite first | 03:43 |
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| mdg | I found directions at the wiki for extending the rootfs on the 770 - any extra tips? | 03:50 |
| mdg | anyone with experience with ext2 vs ext3 on the MMC - which is better? | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | i have ext3 on sd | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | still works | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | don't know about 770 and mmc | 03:56 |
| mdg | sorry, got lazy typing rs-mmc | 03:57 |
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| KotCzarny | mmc equals rs-mmc | 03:57 |
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| mdg | I guess all I need is the "become root" package | 03:58 |
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| mdg | where did you find your rs-mmc? Amazon? | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | i have n800 | 04:05 |
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| KotCzarny | but froogle is nice too | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.aflashstore.com/Transcend-512MB-Reduced-Size-MultiMedia-Cards/M/B0006SPE6G.htm | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | 512mb rs-mmc for a 7.75 | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's a lemon | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | quite nice price | 04:06 |
| mdg | $7.75? That is quite inexpensive! | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | assuming seller is not a thief | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise, no | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:08 |
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| mdg | can you find it in stores? | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | google for it in big stores | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | amazon would work too | 04:11 |
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| mdg | searches are mostly bringing up card readers | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | 'mostly' | 04:12 |
| mdg | wonder if I would have any luck at the local camera store | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 04:13 |
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| mdg | what size would you recommend - 1 gig? | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, probably the more the merrier | 04:16 |
| mdg | I have 512 card now - would it get some good basics? | 04:17 |
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| KotCzarny | how about second hand n800? | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:19 |
| mdg | I wish! But bills come first right now | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | 100? 150$ ? | 04:20 |
| mdg | used n800 for $100-150? where? | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | craiglist | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | craiglist | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | darn | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | craigslist | 04:21 |
| mdg | I don't know if I can trust craigslist | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | well | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's for hand to hand dealing | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | so you can check the device at the spot | 04:21 |
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| KotCzarny | n810 for 225 | 04:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:22 |
| KotCzarny | and to be honest i got mine n800 for a 150 in march | 04:22 |
| mdg | from craigslist? | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:23 |
| mdg | I'll think about it. This 770 has to be good for something though | 04:23 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | sd has 2 full sd slots | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | wink, wink | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | i mean n800 has 2 full sd slots | 04:24 |
| mdg | I think I saw you can use flash/thumb/jump drives (whatever you prefer to call them) with the n800 | 04:25 |
| mdg | ? | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | yes, usb works both ways on n8x0 | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | as long power is sufficient | 04:25 |
| mdg | sounds nicer! | 04:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i like my n800 | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:27 |
| mdg | is a hackers 2009 in the works? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, unfortunatelly i haven't got 770 | 04:27 |
| mdg | would you like one? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 04:28 |
| mdg | LOL | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | well, i wanted 770 at first | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | then i have found that n800 on cl | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | and should suit me for some time :) | 04:28 |
| mdg | I've heard the n800 is better than the n810? | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | depends on user | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | if you prefer big storage, then n800 is the winner | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | n810 has keyboard, gps, and nicer look | 04:29 |
| mdg | n800 only has touchscreen keyboard? | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | or bt | 04:30 |
| mdg | do you have bt keyboard? | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | 25$ | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | also from cl | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:30 |
| mdg | is yours a foldable keyboard? | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | igo ultra slim model | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/18/9f/fa2a92c008a01778b0485010._AA280_.L.jpg | 04:31 |
| mdg | so n800 and bt keyboard would fit in a day planner? | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | they are roughly the same size | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | n800 and that kb | 04:31 |
| mdg | does the keyboard feel generally sturdy? | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | well | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's not as stable as my laptop | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | but generally does it's work | 04:32 |
| mdg | I'm leaning toward an apple bt keyboard, but it might be a bit much to haul around | 04:33 |
| mdg | on the other hand - those laptops can get so heavy! | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | mine is 12", 3lbs | 04:33 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | less than inch thick | 04:33 |
| mdg | oh, you have an Eee pc? | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | thinkpad x40 | 04:34 |
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| mdg | solid state harddrive? | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | 2x cf | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | with ide-cf adapter | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | hi ssvb | 04:34 |
| mdg | what os is it running? | 04:34 |
| ssvb | hi | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | linux, of course | 04:34 |
| mdg | which distro? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: do you still hack mplayer? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | mdg: slackware | 04:35 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: not much | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: lack of time or ideas? | 04:35 |
| mdg | did you install slackware or came already installed? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | mdg: i'm a geek | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | i just use the same os since my first install of slackware 8.0 | 04:36 |
| mdg | oh, so you installed it | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | just swapping from pc to pc | 04:36 |
| mdg | ever tried Mint? | 04:36 |
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| KotCzarny | slackware suits me | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | don't need anything else :) | 04:36 |
| mdg | hackers are supposed to be adventurous? | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a slacker | 04:37 |
| mdg | LOL | 04:37 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: I mostly switched to low level codecs optimizations, packaging and providing releases is not so fun | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: ahm, anyone stepped up in your place? | 04:38 |
| ssvb | it would be nice to have someone to pass this job to him | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | i assume that means 'no' | 04:40 |
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| mdg | how do you change the time from 24 hour to 12 hour in the statusbar? | 04:44 |
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| Dsnye | Happy Friday! | 04:46 |
| Dsnye | er...unless it's already Saturday for you.. | 04:47 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 04:49 |
| Dsnye | night! | 04:50 |
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| Jsn0327 | how do you update the n810 to diablo? | 04:57 |
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| KotCzarny | depends | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | you can simply install .debs | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | and hit upgrade | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | or flash whole sys | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | and hit upgrade | 04:58 |
| Jsn0327 | i want to flash the whole system | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | ~diablo | 04:58 |
| infobot | Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | ~firmware | 04:58 |
| infobot | somebody said firmware was hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | bah2. | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 04:58 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 04:58 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:58 |
| Jsn0327 | thanks | 04:59 |
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| dick-richardson | anyone using gizmo? | 05:02 |
| mdg | what's gizmo? | 05:02 |
| dick-richardson | like skype | 05:02 |
| dick-richardson | it's supposed to allow sms for free, but I can't figure it out | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | nothing is free | 05:03 |
| dick-richardson | that's what I'm starting to wonder | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://gizmosms.com/cgi-bin/gizmosms.cgi | 05:03 |
| dick-richardson | that's a separate site | 05:04 |
| mdg | googletalk? | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | well, maybe that's how they implemented it | 05:04 |
| dick-richardson | googletalk can send text messages? | 05:04 |
| mdg | googlechat | 05:05 |
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| mdg | night all! Thanks for all the help! | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 05:14 |
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| Jsn0327 | to flash the n810 with the nokia internet tablet updater, it says to turn the tablet off, connect the usb cable to it and the computer, then press and hold the "switch button." Are they talking about the application swap button on the front to the left of the screen? I held it down for a long time and it never came on. | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It says swap, doesn't it? | 05:49 |
| Jsn0327 | nevermind. i didn't see where it said to hold the power switch at the same time | 05:49 |
| Jsn0327 | yeah i meant swap button | 05:50 |
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| KotCzarny | interesting | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | more verizon users than optimumonline ones | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | are oo users ipod slaves? | 06:00 |
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| Jsn0327 | is there a way to add wpa2 compatibility to diablo? | 06:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Add it? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've had WPA2 support since the 770. . . . | 06:09 |
| Jsn0327 | GeneralAntilles: it isn't an option when setting up a new connection | 06:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm using WPA2 on 3 tablets. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't know what to tell you. | 06:10 |
| Jsn0327 | in control panel, connections, add new connection, after you name the connection the next screen allows you to select a security mode. the options are WEP, WPA PSK, and WPA with EAP | 06:11 |
| Jsn0327 | no wpa2 | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are you adding a connection? | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just connect to it. | 06:11 |
| Jsn0327 | because my ssid is hidden | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 06:11 |
| Jsn0327 | your assistance would be greatly appreciated : ) | 06:12 |
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| Jaredu | heya guys :) | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | firefox 3.0.3 | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | that was fast, lol | 06:58 |
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| acydlord_aao | i'm only running 3.0.1 on here | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | 3.0.2 was out on sep 22 | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | 3.0.3 on sep 26 | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | wonder what they fsckd up | 07:00 |
| acydlord_aao | true | 07:00 |
| acydlord_aao | the eula? =x | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | i think more than that | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | it was hungy for me since i updated to 3.0.2 | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | # Fixed a problem where users were unable to retrieve saved passwords or save new passwords (bug 454708) | 07:01 |
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| RST38h | http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 08:19 |
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| RST38h | Kot: Btw who won the debate yesterday? | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | i don't watch tv | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Did they get to a fistfight? | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Neither do I but still... | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | i guess you can check on cnn | 08:42 |
| RST38h | found it: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/round_one_obama.html | 08:44 |
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| * moontiger waves hello | 08:45 | |
| moontiger | does anybody know how to get the sb2 anjuta toolchain working? it updated today and now it's broken :( | 08:46 |
| RST38h | well, I use sb2 | 08:48 |
| RST38h | not using Eclipse though. | 08:48 |
| moontiger | anjuta not eclipse | 08:49 |
| moontiger | the anjuta plugin worked fine until today | 08:49 |
| moontiger | now it gives a bunch of wierd error messages | 08:49 |
| moontiger | and fails | 08:49 |
| moontiger | *sigh* | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:50 |
| RST38h | plugin for what? | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | probably first one is the cause | 08:50 |
| moontiger | anjuta for building maemo c apps with gtk+ | 08:53 |
| moontiger | thnx KotCzarny ;) | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 08:56 |
| moontiger | brb | 08:57 |
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| KotCzarny | i hate dhl. | 08:59 |
| Proteous | I hate DHS | 09:00 |
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| RST38h | Maemo uses GTK+ by default. Does not need plugins. | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it was some templating thingy | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | like guile | 09:01 |
| Proteous | some sort of sonic boom | 09:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws Proteous across the room at the speed of sound. | 09:01 | |
| Proteous | heh | 09:02 |
| * Proteous charges back for 2 seconds then presses forward and fierce | 09:02 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 09:02 | |
| KotCzarny | tea time | 09:02 |
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| KotCzarny | startkeylogger | 09:07 |
| Proteous | stopkeylogger | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | that's also a trigger | 09:08 |
| lcuk810 | startstrokelogger | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | that's just perv | 09:08 |
| Proteous | averteyescoverears | 09:09 |
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| KotCzarny | CptTablet ? | 09:09 |
| lcuk810 | bleugh | 09:10 |
| lcuk810 | my throat thing haspopped out everywhere | 09:11 |
| Proteous | ? | 09:12 |
| Proteous | that sounds gross | 09:12 |
| lcuk810 | it feels wworse | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | needs more didinfectant? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | disinfectant | 09:13 |
| GAN800 | Call your dentist? :p | 09:13 |
| lcuk810 | heh just flu | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | better upp the code | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | before it's gone | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:13 |
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| lcuk810 | heh thats nothurti this mornin thank fsck | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | grammar unit gone? | 09:14 |
| lcuk810 | n810 | 09:14 |
| GAN800 | pfft | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | you have keyboard | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | That's not an excuse. | 09:15 |
| lcuk810 | q finger 90deg curled up in bed | 09:15 |
| lcuk810 | + | 09:15 |
| lcuk810 | 1 | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | upp the code | 09:15 |
| lcuk810 | lol | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | physical coordination going buh-bay | 09:15 |
| lcuk810 | lol | 09:16 |
| lcuk810 | its been on ftp for a while | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | last one is from june | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | unless name/server has changed | 09:16 |
| lcuk810 | try again | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | notihng | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | still june | 09:16 |
| lcuk810 | no correct folder, should be _www_jpeg suffix | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | liqbase_www_jpeg_20080920_114317_at summit.tar.gz ? | 09:17 |
| lcuk810 | sounds kinda reasonable since the summit was last week | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | set your ftp to sort by date | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | or move old files to old/ | 09:18 |
| lcuk810 | get a client that works | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | firefox? | 09:18 |
| lcuk810 | lol | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | what? it works | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | although could use some configuration options | 09:19 |
| lcuk810 | windows explorer lets me sort, you arent gonna let ms win are you? | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 09:19 |
| lcuk810 | lol | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | apparently yes | 09:20 |
| lcuk810 | heh | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | but your date is b0rken | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe not | 09:20 |
| lcuk810 | mmm yes i have noticed | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | first time noticed i can sort by headers | 09:21 |
| lcuk810 | heh you learn somethin new everyday | 09:21 |
| lcuk810 | or in maemo worl-d, its 10 things | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | gah. that bacon looks perverted | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 09:22 |
| moontiger | does anyone know what the --host-tools option actually means? | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | probably to use host tools | 09:23 |
| Proteous | BACON | 09:23 |
| GAN800 | ^ canine | 09:23 |
| moontiger | geeee really KotCzarny? thnx for that | 09:23 |
| moontiger | :)~ | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | moontiger: :) | 09:24 |
| moontiger | a 4 eyed smily | 09:25 |
| * moontiger laughs | 09:25 | |
| Proteous | :::) | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | "what i hate about n800 headphones": cannot be used with other equipment without pushing the button all the time | 09:26 |
| Proteous | :.:) | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | is what they call 'vendor lock in' ? | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | *is it | 09:27 |
| Proteous | "what i hate about KotCzarny": always complaining about the n800 headphones | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | 'always' ? | 09:27 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | define 'always' | 09:27 |
| Proteous | all the time!! | 09:27 |
| Proteous | FOREVER!! | 09:27 |
| moontiger | really? arent they just ordinary headphones? | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 09:27 |
| lcuk810 | pet peeve | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | moontiger: you need to push the button or it shorts the some pins | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | and in effect giving you delta-headphones effec | 09:28 |
| lcuk810 | did i miss anyfin whilst emptying sinuses | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | t | 09:28 |
| moontiger | wow what a great design | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, nope | 09:28 |
| moontiger | lcuk, that sounds great ... thnx for sharing ;) | 09:28 |
| Proteous | I hope you saved your snot for mucas transfusuions | 09:28 |
| lcuk810 | lol the headphones work in mono with no button and other chan is 10% of nomal (ish) | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:29 |
| lcuk810 | welcome | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | push the button | 09:29 |
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| lcuk810 | apt-get install snot | 09:29 |
| * KotCzarny wrapped some rubber band over the button | 09:29 | |
| lcuk810 | heh | 09:29 |
| moontiger | hell yeah!! it works again :) | 09:29 |
| lcuk810 | yer i know!!! it was on laptop | 09:29 |
| moontiger | more like apt-get remove snot no? | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | who was on the laptop? | 09:30 |
| lcuk810 | me | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | and whose laptop | 09:30 |
| lcuk810 | who mentioned bacon, my desktop is goin mental but i cant quite see | 09:30 |
| lcuk810 | mine | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | full bacon alchemist | 09:30 |
| lcuk810 | moontiger,the morei remove the more appears | 09:31 |
| Proteous | bacon glassess | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | remove the bacon | 09:31 |
| moontiger | wow dude you have a snot virus | 09:31 |
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| lcuk810 | well bacon warning signal | 09:31 |
| lcuk810 | oh noes | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | bacon calling | 09:31 |
| lcuk810 | milkman! | 09:31 |
| moontiger | it it morning where you guys are? | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | milk + bacon? | 09:31 |
| lcuk810 | yer actually | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | recipe for a fail | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:32 |
| lcuk810 | he brings loads of goodies | 09:32 |
| moontiger | where bouts in england are you lcuk ? | 09:32 |
| lcuk810 | no, full dairy service | 09:32 |
| lcuk810 | manchester | 09:32 |
| moontiger | ayyyyyyyy by gum! | 09:32 |
| * lcuk810 gets eggs n bacon n milk just when needed on a weekend mornin | 09:33 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 09:33 | |
| moontiger | cup of tea with the eggs and bacon huh? | 09:33 |
| lcuk810 | ewww no | 09:33 |
| lcuk810 | coffee | 09:33 |
| * moontiger is going to bed soon | 09:33 | |
| moontiger | coffee? | 09:33 |
| moontiger | ewwww | 09:33 |
| lcuk810 | worksforme | 09:34 |
| moontiger | fresh coffee at least yes? | 09:35 |
| moontiger | not that instant crap | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | instant crap | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | new! | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | improved! | 09:35 |
| * moontiger laughs | 09:36 | |
| KotCzarny | now you can cram instantly! | 09:36 |
| KotCzarny | crap | 09:36 |
| moontiger | <--- brushing teeth | 09:36 |
| KotCzarny | no more waiting or pushing! | 09:36 |
| lcuk810 | err instant crap works, its like microsoft coffee | 09:36 |
| KotCzarny | wash and go! | 09:36 |
| moontiger | na ahhh... the ms campus has fresh coffee all day | 09:36 |
| lcuk810 | i mean the same for everyone | 09:37 |
| moontiger | oh | 09:37 |
| * moontiger is tired and a bit confused | 09:37 | |
| moontiger | so its nescafe ur drinking? | 09:37 |
| lcuk810 | that happens often :p | 09:38 |
| lcuk810 | yer | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | netscafe | 09:38 |
| moontiger | eeeeeesh yuk | 09:38 |
| moontiger | :) | 09:38 |
| * lcuk810 is a sheeple | 09:38 | |
| lcuk810 | actually im not drinkincos its too cold to get out of bed | 09:38 |
| * lcuk810 sends a child on a mission | 09:39 | |
| * lcuk810 sends youngest to wake eldest, then sends eldest to brew up. what a plan! | 09:40 | |
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| moontiger | really? its cold there already? | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | in effect they will drink all the coffee | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | and you will get some tea | 09:40 |
| moontiger | it was 75+ here today and still its warm outside at 11.30pm | 09:40 |
| lcuk810 | yer its chilly, | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | for being last | 09:40 |
| moontiger | <--- drinks pg tips | 09:41 |
| lcuk810 | what do you drink kot | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | cocoa | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | but i'm already through | 09:41 |
| prak | i'm trying to download the latest edition of the maemo os2008 (diablo_4.2008.30-2), but i'm having some trouble finding it | 09:41 |
| prak | does such an operating system binary file exist? | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 09:42 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 09:42 |
| lcuk810 | prak what are you wanting toflash with? win/lin | 09:42 |
| prak | lcuk810, win | 09:42 |
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| prak | i'm flashing it onto my nokia n810 | 09:42 |
| lcuk810 | the flasher tool gets correct image itself | 09:42 |
| prak | the flasher tool says i'm downgrading to an older version though | 09:43 |
| prak | how would i upgrade it back to the newest version? | 09:43 |
| lcuk810 | its a slight bug with the new updates thing, they released the patches after | 09:43 |
| moontiger | prak, update to the one it says then it will update itself | 09:44 |
| lcuk810 | apparantly this is ok, and after flashing you will be re-updated | 09:44 |
| prak | ok | 09:44 |
| prak | thanks | 09:44 |
| lcuk810 | can some1 else confirm though | 09:44 |
| prak | updating the os on the n810 right now | 09:44 |
| moontiger | i dont think the latest patch has made it into the base image | 09:44 |
| moontiger | i did that t mine last week and it worked fine | 09:44 |
| GAN800 | ~ssu | 09:44 |
| infobot | somebody said ssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 09:44 |
| lcuk810 | the version the flasher gives, is that kernel? where does it get it from | 09:45 |
| GAN800 | Erm? | 09:45 |
| GAN800 | That's the build identifier of the whole FIASCO image. | 09:46 |
| lcuk810 | ok, thanks :) | 09:46 |
| lcuk810 | bbl guys, kot speak tonight m8 :) | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:49 |
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| prak | thanks, my problem has been resolved | 09:50 |
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| RST38h | moo | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | run | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | they are after your diary | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | dairy i mean | 10:04 |
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| RST38h | Oh well, I am after their bacon... | 10:07 |
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| KotCzarny | fricking pidgin-encryption requires nss/nspr installed | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | madness. | 10:09 |
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| prak_ | is the only way of saving files on maemo os2008 on a n810 by saving the file through the usb cable on the host computer? | 10:54 |
| * qwerty12 does a dirty trick to try out canola beta10 | 10:54 | |
| KotCzarny | prak_: sshfs | 10:55 |
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| prak_ | KotCzarny, why sshfs? | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | because | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | you asked what other way | 10:59 |
| qwerty12 | prak_, compile server for what method you want to use and use that. for ftp, compile proftpd etc. KotCzarny is right. why not sshfs? openssh is a proper port for the tablets. | 11:00 |
| prak_ | ok | 11:01 |
| prak_ | i don't quite understand what you're talking about; i'm just trying to save a file on a browser | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, now that is simpler :P. You can use the built in browser to download files to a memory card or use wget/curl | 11:02 |
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| prak_ | qwerty12, the thing is there is no right mouse button | 11:07 |
| prak_ | not sure how to download the files | 11:07 |
| GAN800 | tap'n'hold | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 11:07 |
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| prak_ | thanks | 11:08 |
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| liri | aside from the browser having a flash 9 plugin, if I have an swf, can I play it with some general purpose player and not using the browser? | 11:16 |
| * qwerty12 thinks wtf: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227914#post227914 | 11:16 | |
| qwerty12 | liri, I think only kmplayer lets you do that using the browser plugin. Or if you still have the tablet default getting started, replace the swf files for that | 11:17 |
| GAN800 | lol | 11:18 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, go beat him with a stick. | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 11:19 |
| liri | heh, yeah replacing the swf is awful | 11:20 |
| GAN800 | That's actually really awesome in its own messed sort of way. | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | I love his instructions. "5. At the end, reboot the N810, the meamo of N810 will not work." | 11:20 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty, you were n00b at some point too | 11:20 |
| liri | well I was just thinking - there are many games in forms of flash widely available today so.. | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | don't laugh at him for trying | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, true but at least I didn't put around guides on how to fuck up the tablet | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, but you were reflashing | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | often | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:21 |
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| * GAN800 smells hypocrisy. | 11:22 | |
| KotCzarny | btw. is your flash still intact? | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Yer. I finally got a working setup and backed it up to an jffs2 file. Not a tarball ;) | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:22 |
| * qwerty12 still remembers that pointless argument :P | 11:22 | |
| KotCzarny | so it can take quite a many flash cycles | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | scratch 'a' | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | yeah. I think I flashed initfs 30 times in a row once :/ | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | and it still works :) | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | you should post about it to encourage more testing :) | 11:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Not much people are into modifying initfs. I only started messing around with jffs2 images when I started shrinking the diablo initfs to be flashed on a chinook + diablo beta update. | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | i'm going to make something fluxbox based soon | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | i have one 128mb sd card i could kill freely | 11:26 |
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| * qwerty12 has already killed cheapo 1gb sd with 48mhz kernel | 11:27 | |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if throwing most of the matchbox and maemo apps would help for a simple tasks like browsing etc | 11:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Remove the old wiki already. I just used the search function on the maemo mediawiki and it so pwns the midgard crap :/ | 11:29 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, we'd have riots. | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | Arrgh :( | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | cleanup meeting today at 19:00 utc if you want to discuss it. | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not a good debater :/ | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | Well, the rioters probably wont be attending. | 11:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Has all the content from the old wiki been migrated to the new one? To me, the old wiki is like a derelict house whereas the new wiki is like the playboy mansion :P | 11:36 |
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| GAN800 | The useful stuff | 11:37 |
| GAN800 | Deleting pages doesn't seem to remove them from the google results stupidly enough. :/ | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Annoying :(. Let's do that stuff webmasters do by putting a load of hidden text on the bottom to bring the google rank up *g* | 11:39 |
| GAN800 | I'm thinking it might be worthwhile migrating more stuff and just killing it outright. | 11:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Agreed. The old wiki just looks so bad compared to the new one. | 11:42 |
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| GAN800 | It makes no sense to have a wiki around that nobody can edit. | 11:43 |
| GAN800 | The current situation is born of a weak compromise. | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | So true. You've done a brilliant job of keeping the content useful on the new wiki, the old wiki is a mess. | 11:45 |
| mavhc | surely the old pages should be http redirected to the new pages, then google will be fine | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't really a 1:1 correlation. | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just needs to be deleted outright. | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | then redirect to index page of new wiki | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything salvageable needs to be moved over | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | then the old wiki needs to be deleted. | 11:46 |
| mavhc | breaking urls is bad | 11:49 |
| mavhc | you have pagerank for the old pages, use that to move the new pages into the same position | 11:50 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk was here | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | that lurker | 11:56 |
| lcuk810 | i am | 11:56 |
| lcuk810 | but i was sortin breakfast | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | oh, here you are | 11:56 |
| lcuk810 | and the desktop xchat gets a bug | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | i have compiled latest liqbase on x86 | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | but colors aren't right | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | and i forgot what i did in the past to fix them | 11:57 |
| lcuk810 | yer i noticed i think im flipping u and v | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention you have hardcoded dpi and res in many places | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | well | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | green vs black | 11:57 |
| lcuk810 | it ws enough to make me smile - my eyes are generally bw | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | is not flipping i think | 11:57 |
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| KotCzarny | also graffitiwall is cyan | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | and item borders in menu are orange | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | and none of the jpegs are loading even if prog finds them | 11:58 |
| lcuk810 | heh - rainbow time | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | wanna bin for your lappy? | 11:59 |
| lcuk810 | i built it a few days ago myself | 11:59 |
| lcuk810 | hold on | 11:59 |
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| lcuk | s'better | 12:00 |
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| lcuk | i try not to power the laptop up - as ive got no touch - its still in the bag from the summit | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | pc? | 12:01 |
| lcuk | win | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | should work in vmware i guess | 12:01 |
| lcuk | not sure, ill clear off the laptop spot later | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | so, any idea where to look for that green? | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | ie. what values in uv space are green? | 12:03 |
| lcuk | green is U=0, v=0 | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | and black? | 12:03 |
| lcuk | black is technically 128,128 - but this device allows 0,0 - which explains the diffs | 12:05 |
| lcuk | i wassending data to 0 when doing the alpha stuff and finding it was coming out as midrange | 12:05 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: did anyone write a polish text synthesis for flite? | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 12:36 |
| AStorm | I remember some being done for festival | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | last time i had fun with text synthesis on a500 | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | phonetic fun | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | to be exact | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:37 |
| AStorm | flite works it seems | 12:38 |
| AStorm | stumbles funny on our street names | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:39 |
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| AStorm | tried to read "Generala Leopolda Okulickiego" | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | polgrish | 12:39 |
| AStorm | nah, sounded like a polish american, quite well even | 12:40 |
| AStorm | rules to read american english are usually simple | 12:41 |
| AStorm | need only a tiny bit of spellbook guidance | 12:41 |
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| AStorm | well, time to first lock this time was 3 minutes (truly first on a fresh device) in a building, by a window | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:48 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe satellite is going down | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse libusb | 12:49 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libusb ! | 12:49 |
| AStorm | oh no, you wished for bugs! | 12:49 |
| AStorm | ;P | 12:49 |
| acydlord_aao | haha | 12:49 |
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| Luria | hi all | 13:01 |
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| AStorm | hello, and bye ;> | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | who? | 13:12 |
| RST38h | ~curse mips assembly | 13:12 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mips assembly ! | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | |> plastik/01-Prodigy-Firestarter-EmpirionMix.mp3. | 13:12 |
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| * qwerty12_1 curses as 0xFFFF windows compile crashes when actually connecting to the device | 13:19 | |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | cursing day today? | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Unfortunatly, I have picked up the habit of swearing at least 10 times a day | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | work on it | 13:20 |
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| qwerty12 | meh, curse windows. I can't even kill the 0xffff >.< | 13:24 |
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| thux | about windows, is there a maemo flasher for it or another way to flash? | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 13:28 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:28 |
| thux | but bootloader changes | 13:31 |
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| RST38h | We will murder them all / With laughter and merriment | 13:35 |
| RST38h | Except for a few / We take home to experiment | 13:35 |
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| slonopotamus | hello? | 14:04 |
| slonopotamus | so, I've uploaded my first package to autobuilder and it built successfully. when it will be available in extras-devel repository? | 14:04 |
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| yerga | slonopotamus, approx. in 20 minutes | 14:11 |
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| slonopotamus | yerga, thanks | 14:21 |
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| slonopotamus | yerga, is there any notification send when it becomes available? | 14:22 |
| yerga | No | 14:22 |
| yerga | the only way is look at the repository | 14:22 |
| slonopotamus | I see. Will wait then. | 14:22 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:36 |
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| Andy80 | hi Jaffa | 14:53 |
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| t_s_o | ok, i should get this one framed and hung above my desk: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/27/funny-pictures-mai-giva-damm-iz-broke/ | 15:00 |
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| slonopotamus | how I can rerun failed package? | 15:02 |
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| Stargazers^ | Hi. | 15:02 |
| Stargazers^ | Has anyone of you installed debian on N800 | 15:02 |
| slonopotamus | on autobuilder | 15:02 |
| Stargazers^ | Anyone? | 15:04 |
| Stargazers^ | slonopotamus: Or did you meant that you have done it? | 15:04 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, nope, i haven't installed debian. Don't understand why one should want it. | 15:05 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, much more packages. | 15:05 |
| Stargazers^ | At least I liked it :D | 15:05 |
| Stargazers^ | I installed php5 and lighttpd \o/ | 15:05 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, well, just rebuild debian package for maemo | 15:05 |
| Stargazers^ | Mm? | 15:06 |
| Stargazers^ | What you mean? | 15:06 |
| slonopotamus | maemo uses debian package manager. diablo is very similar to debian 'etch' distribution. And I bet that >%90 of packages can be recompiled for maemo without any modifications. | 15:07 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, yes. But they must recompile. And it is slow :( | 15:08 |
| Stargazers^ | Much easier just apt-get install package | 15:08 |
| Stargazers^ | Thre is so many packages in debian repos. | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | you don't need the whole repo, aren't you? | 15:08 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, no. But at least there is so easy to install them. | 15:09 |
| slonopotamus | anyone, please support beginner autobuilder user :) is there any way to rerun failed package? | 15:09 |
| Stargazers^ | Autobuilder? Mmh. | 15:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, I'm afraid of increased memory usage because many libs will be loaded for OS and for chrooted debian. | 15:10 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, that is why totally beginnners should not do it. | 15:10 |
| Stargazers^ | I didn't found lighttpd, mysql and php5 for maemo. | 15:10 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, you can be expert in anything without being a beginner in it first | 15:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus: fix the error and reupload | 15:11 |
| Stargazers^ | Surely, but I meant that totally beginners with linux in anyway. | 15:11 |
| Stargazers^ | They might use it first in somewhere else. | 15:11 |
| Stargazers^ | Than just install it to n800. | 15:11 |
| Stargazers^ | If they don't have any reason. | 15:11 |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N800, did that. Nothing happens. however is is pretty big package (can take some time to build). can i somehow see if it started building (or more general, what is autobuilder doing at the moment)? | 15:12 |
| Stargazers^ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23926 | 15:13 |
| slonopotamus | aha! it started building | 15:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus: it should be building. Iirc, you can only see status after it successfully built or failed | 15:13 |
| slonopotamus | autobuilder lacks progress indication. | 15:15 |
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| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, maybe your card was partitioned such way? | 15:16 |
| Stargazers^ | Well... I dunno. I just made "Format" in file-manager before I started that debian installer. | 15:17 |
| Stargazers^ | Let me see. | 15:17 |
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| slonopotamus | run 'chroot /mnt/initfs/ /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0' to see how it is partitioned (you may need to change number of your card) | 15:19 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, ^ | 15:20 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. Let me see. | 15:20 |
| Stargazers^ | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System | 15:21 |
| Stargazers^ | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 61264 1960440 b Win95 FAT32 | 15:21 |
| Stargazers^ | This way. | 15:21 |
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| Stargazers^ | Is there something wrogn? | 15:29 |
| slonopotamus | looks ok | 15:32 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. | 15:32 |
| slonopotamus | did you use this instruction: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199639 | 15:33 |
| slonopotamus | ? | 15:33 |
| Stargazers^ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227135#post227135 <-- This | 15:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You can install to an image file... | 15:34 |
| Stargazers^ | And installed using Easy Debian 0.9-7 | 15:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ...with the deblet installer | 15:34 |
| Stargazers^ | Mmh. | 15:34 |
| Stargazers^ | You can install to an image file? | 15:35 |
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| * slonopotamus thinks autobuilder's builder1 is slow. It is building libdb for an hour already. | 15:36 | |
| liri | those flash 9 games are really very for the tablet... eesh | 15:36 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, sorry, no idea then. Where debian fs is mounted from? | 15:37 |
| Stargazers^ | /debian | 15:37 |
| matrx | Stargazers^: sounds like you installed to an image file on the flash card | 15:37 |
| Stargazers^ | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/51244/ | 15:38 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, if that installer does that, then yes? | 15:38 |
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| slonopotamus | /dev/dm-0 on /debian type ext2 (rw,noatime) | 15:38 |
| slonopotamus | don't know what dm-0 is :( | 15:39 |
| slonopotamus | that partition must be debian root | 15:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | image file. dm = dmloop | 15:40 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 15:40 |
| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, then matrx is right, your debian is installed to an image file. | 15:40 |
| Stargazers^ | Well... | 15:41 |
| Stargazers^ | Can I somehow make that image "bigger"? | 15:41 |
| liri | ick, *very slow* I meant to say | 15:41 |
| liri | they're pretty heavy for the tablet to handle | 15:42 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, not so slow. | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stargazers^: it's been discussed on the itt forums before how to. | 15:42 |
| Stargazers^ | qwerty12_N800: Tried to found, but didn't :S | 15:42 |
| liri | Stargazers^: well what I tried is, anyway | 15:42 |
| Stargazers^ | liri: Ok. | 15:42 |
| Stargazers^ | IMO it is fast enought. :D | 15:42 |
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| slonopotamus | Stargazers^, I suppose you need to recreate it somehow, specifying new size. Linux filesistems are not good at resizing :( | 15:43 |
| Stargazers^ | Mmh. | 15:43 |
| slonopotamus | it == debian image file | 15:44 |
| Stargazers^ | it? | 15:46 |
| slonopotamus | another idea - how much free space do you have on your card? | 15:46 |
| Stargazers^ | Let me see... | 15:47 |
| Stargazers^ | 784,3MB | 15:47 |
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| slonopotamus | any files (taking missing 900 mb :) ) except for image file? | 15:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Nope. | 15:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Nothing more. | 15:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Just that image. | 15:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Why? | 15:52 |
| slonopotamus | (just unproven thoughts) you should move you file somewhere else, create bigger empty image file, them mount both image files and perform a full copy from old to new one. optionally, instead of creating new image file you could use your whole flash as disk partition. it will require reformatting into something more linux-friendly (ext2/3) and changing configuration of app that you are using to ender debian chroot. | 15:54 |
| Stargazers^ | Mmh. | 15:54 |
| slonopotamus | i don't think you can resize existing image file (however i can be wrong) | 15:54 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. | 15:55 |
| Stargazers^ | Have to look it some day. | 15:55 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, do you know if there is step-by-step tutorial? | 15:55 |
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| slonopotamus | no, I don't. I'm sure one of image creators can help you. I suggest waiting a little until you get reply on itt forum | 15:56 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. Thank you. | 15:56 |
| matrx | it would take you less time and be easier to do a reinstall | 15:57 |
| Stargazers^ | matrx: Well, reinstallation is no problem if I can find easy tutorial how to do that. | 15:57 |
| slonopotamus | does installer allow to configure image size? | 15:57 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, it just downloaded it -> then extract it -> and in menu I can start it. | 15:58 |
| slonopotamus | it's extremely beginners' installer :) | 15:58 |
| Stargazers^ | Well, it seems to be :D | 15:59 |
| Stargazers^ | But well, it was good. Now I have tested it and limits seems to be reached. Not enough free spacve to install enough apps. | 15:59 |
| Stargazers^ | Or at least I can't find way. | 15:59 |
| Stargazers^ | Maybe I should try more advanced method. | 15:59 |
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| slonopotamus | you should. A method that will have manual step for configuring image location/size | 16:00 |
| matrx | i've only used the deblet installer | 16:00 |
| Stargazers^ | Deblet installer... | 16:00 |
| Stargazers^ | What is the difference? | 16:00 |
| Stargazers^ | Does it install debian directly to card? | 16:00 |
| Stargazers^ | Eg. create own filesystem etc? | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | Installer with partioning (cfdisk) and mkfs.ext2, install into a file, etc. | 16:01 |
| matrx | it has options to do so, for dual booting | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | i think that's what you want | 16:01 |
| Stargazers^ | Dual-boot would be nice. | 16:01 |
| matrx | you could probably free up more space on your current image by removing uneeded stuff | 16:01 |
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| Stargazers^ | matrx: Well, might be. | 16:01 |
| matrx | ' apt-get clean ' to remove downloaded packages | 16:02 |
| Stargazers^ | But well, if I install debian using Deblet directly to card, can I later "move" that to another card? | 16:02 |
| Stargazers^ | If I buy bigger card | 16:02 |
| Stargazers^ | matrx: Done that already | 16:02 |
| matrx | i tend to go rm happy in /usr/share | 16:02 |
| Stargazers^ | Mmh? | 16:03 |
| Stargazers^ | Wallpapers and other crap. | 16:03 |
| Stargazers^ | And docs... | 16:03 |
| Stargazers^ | Well. Might be. | 16:03 |
| matrx | rm var/lib/apt/lists/* | 16:03 |
| matrx | rm var/cache/apt/*.bin | 16:03 |
| matrx | rm -rf usr/share/doc/* | 16:03 |
| matrx | rm -rf usr/share/info/* | 16:03 |
| matrx | find usr/share/locale -type f -exec rm {} \; | 16:03 |
| Stargazers^ | Is there anything "important" in that /usr/share? Programs? | 16:04 |
| Stargazers^ | There is icons etc. | 16:04 |
| matrx | that's my script for remove temp apt files, docs, info pages, and locales | 16:04 |
| Stargazers^ | Does it remove anything "important"? | 16:05 |
| Stargazers^ | I mean, those are not very important for me. | 16:05 |
| matrx | locales gets tricky | 16:05 |
| matrx | doc, info, and also the man pages can be sacrificed | 16:06 |
| Stargazers^ | Surely. | 16:06 |
| matrx | nothing major space wise, but when your down to 46mb free, every bit counts | 16:07 |
| Stargazers^ | Right. | 16:07 |
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| _julian_ | does someone know if a qt snapshot with better performance then 4.4.1 is available for maemo? | 16:26 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hi! I just started using the chinook/diablo buildbot. Wow! What is its usual turnaround time? | 16:49 |
| _|Nix|_ | I submitted meanwhile-1.0.2-3 straight from upstream debian like, an hour ago, and it still doesn't seem to have built it. | 16:49 |
| jott | _julian_: there are no snapshots of qt 4.5 with the new rendering code available yet. thiago promised snapshots for "next week", not sure how much of the new rendering code will be in there by then. -> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/22/its-getting-cold/ | 16:51 |
| jott | _|Nix|_: it can take some time. watch https://garage.maemo.org/builder/ | 16:53 |
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| _|Nix|_ | jott: Been watching it like a hawk. Subscribed to the list and everything. | 16:55 |
| _|Nix|_ | *sigh | 16:55 |
| jott | make sure your gpg key is fine. | 16:55 |
| jott | (matches the one you set on the garage account) | 16:56 |
| _|Nix|_ | jott: It should be. I u/l-ed Pidgin to Chinook with it *shrug* | 16:56 |
| _|Nix|_ | That was binary though. No buildbot. | 16:56 |
| _|Nix|_ | I wish there was a page showing the buildbot's queue. | 16:56 |
| Stargazers^ | How I can press down key in maemo on scree keyboard+ :D | 16:57 |
| jott | hm yeah. well at least you can sort by date :) | 16:57 |
| jott | well anyway, maybe try to ask X-Fade if everything is in order with your account. | 16:58 |
| jott | an hour is quite long for not even showing up in the builder/ dir. | 16:59 |
| pusling | how do I debug wether it is the usb port in my n810 that is broken or my cable when I only have one of each ? | 17:00 |
| Stargazers^ | Can't I create two partitions using N800 on screen keyboard in Deblet? | 17:02 |
| jott | pusling: maybe it's the device that is broken :) | 17:02 |
| Stargazers^ | When it goes in cfdisk? | 17:02 |
| jott | pusling: but for a cable - you can easily check it with a multimeter etc. | 17:02 |
| jott | pusling: (the usb device ^ ) | 17:02 |
| pusling | jott: if I plug my mouse into the port where I unplug the cable, my mouse works. | 17:03 |
| Stargazers^ | Anyone? | 17:03 |
| jott | Stargazers^: d-pad maybe? :) | 17:03 |
| Stargazers^ | What is that? | 17:03 |
| jott | the up-down-left-right hardware keys :) | 17:03 |
| Stargazers^ | Mmh... | 17:04 |
| jott | pusling: hmm. well if in doubt i would really try to check the cable. should be easy to do :) | 17:04 |
| _|Nix|_ | jott: Well, I'm not too impressed. After all, it hasn't built anything in the past 15 minutes ... | 17:04 |
| Stargazers^ | jott: Thanks :--D | 17:05 |
| jott | well 15-30 minutes are normal. | 17:05 |
| pusling | jott: except the size of the n810 plug is too small for my big 'meter | 17:05 |
| jott | pusling: hah. attach a needle .) | 17:05 |
| jott | _|Nix|_: does your package show up on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/ ? | 17:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | jott: Nope. | 17:05 |
| jott | ok then it is most likely some upload error. on which ever end. | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | jott: Neither diablo nor chinook. | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | jott: u/l went OK. | 17:06 |
| jott | no | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | No errors with dput. | 17:06 |
| jott | you can't tell | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | Oh. | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | OK. | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | I see. | 17:06 |
| Mek | perhaps try using the web based upload form? | 17:06 |
| Mek | that does give a bit more feedback I think | 17:06 |
| pusling | jott: but when I unplug the cable from the n810, I get "tusb_otg_ints 747: forcing disconnect (no interrupt)" | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | Mek: There is such a form? | 17:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | Mek: Can you URL me? | 17:07 |
| jott | pusling: hmm. intersting. | 17:07 |
| pusling | but nothing on my computer. | 17:07 |
| Mek | _|Nix|_: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 17:07 |
| jott | pusling: the usb mode is setup correctly i assume? maybe you need to force host mode? | 17:07 |
| pusling | jott: it should afaik be slave, the n810 ? | 17:08 |
| jott | if you want to attach a mouse, you might have to use host mode. | 17:08 |
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| pusling | jott: I just want to access the files. | 17:08 |
| jott | usb stick? | 17:09 |
| pusling | no. from my computer | 17:09 |
| pusling | plain old "I want to plug my n810 to my computer" | 17:09 |
| pusling | nothing fancy at all | 17:10 |
| jott | ah. hmm. | 17:10 |
| pusling | and nothing fancy done to the device | 17:10 |
| jott | "have you tried to turn it off and on again?" :P | 17:10 |
| pusling | yes ;) | 17:10 |
| pusling | both computer and device | 17:10 |
| MangoFusion | out of curiosity, does anyone know how much recording time one could get out of an N800 from a full charge with the screen off, wifi, off, etc? | 17:11 |
| jott | MangoFusion: i guess quite some time. | 17:12 |
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| jott | pusling: sorry, besides looking harder at "dmesg" and checking your cable i have no idea :/ | 17:12 |
| _|Nix|_ | Mek, jott: Seems like my .changes file was invalid ... well then, lessee ... | 17:12 |
| MangoFusion | haha, probably. but i was wondering if anyone knows of any tests / benchmarks | 17:13 |
| jott | _|Nix|_: aye. might be worth to file a bug some time to get a bit more verbose dput output. you are not the first one... | 17:13 |
| jott | MangoFusion: "quite some time" is not concrete enough for you? :) | 17:14 |
| jott | MangoFusion: just test it and tell us :) | 17:14 |
| MangoFusion | that was not the point of the question | 17:14 |
| jott | i think your use case is not that common :) | 17:14 |
| MangoFusion | oh well | 17:14 |
| jott | (for testing power consumption on the nit at least) | 17:15 |
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| pusling | is there a way to find the bug if google finds me a attachment ? (on bugs.maemo.org) | 17:16 |
| Mek | use google to find pages linking to that page? | 17:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | What is the attachment? | 17:17 |
| pusling | a dmesg log | 17:17 |
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| jott | you could add something like "&action=edit" to the url ;) | 17:21 |
| jott | (but googlefoo should also work) | 17:22 |
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| Jaffa | Does anyone know where the DBUS specification of the libosso DBUS signals are, rather than the wrapper? | 17:23 |
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| jott | Jaffa: are there any publicly available? | 17:25 |
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| Jaffa | jott: appears not. You can poke through the libosso *.c files and find them, combined with the mce headers. | 17:29 |
| jott | yep | 17:29 |
| jott | but that's not really a "specification" ;) | 17:30 |
| * Jaffa is talking to the Jalimo folks about a Java API for writing power-conscious apps (in Java) - and I want it to be the easiest thing for a developer to get right. For example, all threads will stop when not in the foreground, unless registered as an ongoing background thread. | 17:30 | |
| Jaffa | That's what I'm thinking, anyway. | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | jott: indeed ;-) | 17:30 |
| jott | hm, yeah i guess these parts shouldn't be to hard to find out. | 17:30 |
| jott | (like if you want to know something "concrete") | 17:30 |
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| jott | Jaffa: hildon offers something like "hildon_program_set_can_hibernate" | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | Interesting. Hadn't spotted that yet. | 17:35 |
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| * Jaffa still is flip-flopping in his head between whether Java, Vala or Python is the language which the majority of Maemo apps should/could/might be written in (one day). It currently looks like Python - but a JIT or native code could perform better (of course, with an OMAP3, does the performance matter as much?) | 17:37 | |
| jott | i vote for Qt :D | 17:38 |
| * Mek votes for C++ :P | 17:38 | |
| Mek | okay, Qt+python might also be acceptable :) | 17:38 |
| jott | Jaffa: still, different use cases i guess. | 17:38 |
| * Jaffa prefers the look of Gtk+ desktops; but the documentation as a developer sucks donkeys' balls | 17:39 | |
| jott | use QGtkStyle :P | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | jott: yeah - I'm pondering the great wealth of talent out there | 17:39 |
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| mavhc | whichever uses less ram | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | jott: I was going to play with it, but the source wouldn't compile IIRC on my hardy box, even with libqt4-dev | 17:39 |
| jott | Jaffa: i mean the main problem is memory not cpu in most cases. | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | That's very true | 17:40 |
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| jott | atom systems have it easier. they all go with a gb of ram and don't have to care ;) | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I still have a hard time accepting Python has a full blown do-everything-with-it language | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | Just look at how a good SDK can make a difference to people wanting to develop: I briefly thought about an iPod Touch because the SDK is so attractive as a developer. | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | it's nice to play with, but it just doesn't scale well | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, same here with Android | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | jott: maybe we'll get a compromise 512MB of RAM in the N900 ;-) | 17:41 |
| jott | Jaffa: i highly doubt it, but it would be great ;) | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: indeed. Java gets a big boost from its tooling which is so rich and polished - which Android can leverage (but that's only part of the issue, of course) | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | jott: ditto | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | Java is just practical | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | Aww. no more Iyonix: http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=10938 | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | but I guess Java would be quite slow on the NIT | 17:43 |
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| Jaffa | jalimo-swt-example* are quite quick once they're started. Cacao's JIT's not half bad (although I wouldn't use it for a high performance app without more testing). | 17:43 |
| * qwerty12_N800 remembers using some old ass acorn computers in my primary | 17:44 | |
| jott | with a proper vm java is not really slow. swing and awt are slow that's true. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | Big issue at the moment is startup time which is about 8-12 seconds. I believe there are some JIT caching patches under development which'll speed up startup. | 17:44 |
| jott | well you get slow startup times with python too :) | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | But yeah, C++ still would be my language of choice | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | We'll speak again when I have finished the C++ bindings for liq* | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | jott: indeed, python-launcher's a good start on sorting that; but Python's got no JIT AFAIK | 17:45 |
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| jott | Jaffa: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all :) | 17:47 |
| jott | (not start-up time but interesting in general) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | heh cool | 17:47 |
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| crashanddie | C++'s speed will highly depend upon the libraries you'll use | 17:48 |
| MangoFusion | no more Iyonix?! | 17:49 |
| MangoFusion | nooooooooooo | 17:49 |
| jott | crashanddie: those are just plain algorithms run. | 17:49 |
| jott | faq is nice. -> Snail's friends said "it's not fair" - everyone knows that a creature should leave a slime trail, all those other creatures are cheating! | 17:50 |
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| crashanddie | 19 UTC | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | so that's what, 8PM BST? | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | Yup | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | good | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | wait | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | oh, yeah, good, we're saturday | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | no start trek at 8 on saturday | 17:52 |
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| melmoth | nan | 18:16 |
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| RST38h | ~curse MIPS instruction set for being badly outdated piece of shit, may ARM rule forever | 18:47 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS instruction set for being badly outdated piece of shit, may ARM rule forever ! | 18:47 |
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| melmoth | yo lardman | 18:52 |
| melmoth | how is navit going ? | 18:53 |
| melmoth | i may look it up sooner than expected. My c test are not that good. I havent finished to get the paris graph in C, but it already eat 100Mb of memory (vs 70Mb for a full graph in python). | 18:53 |
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| lardman | I've compiled and run it, need to work out how the routing dialog is supposed to work | 18:56 |
| lardman | rendering is slow, but not too bad | 18:56 |
| lardman | slow as in ~1.5s to render the screen, so probably not the same ballpark as the Python code ;) | 18:56 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting that it takes more memory for C than for Python for your structures though | 18:57 |
| melmoth | i guess my lack of c skills is to blame, but i cannot find exactly where i m wasting memory. | 18:57 |
| woglinde | hi lardman | 18:58 |
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| lardman | stick the code up on your Garage page, I'm sure people will be interested to take a look | 18:58 |
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| * lardman wonders why xchat is using 98% cpu and very laggy | 18:59 | |
| lardman | bbiam, perhaps a restart will help it | 18:59 |
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| melmoth | it is alread in garage (i use a sandbox branch in the sayhoo svn tree to play with c tests) | 19:00 |
| melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/bacasable/c/?root=sayhoo | 19:00 |
| lardman | cool, I'll take a look later on | 19:00 |
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| dererkazo | johnx, you there by chance? | 19:02 |
| lardman | melmoth: I must admit I've been wondering about using online routing services (writing our own is still an interesting project, but in terms of getting something that works now) | 19:03 |
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| lardman | melmoth: but something with higher routing detail that the Google instructions which maemo-mapper currently downloads | 19:03 |
| melmoth | hmm | 19:08 |
| melmoth | i do not have any internet access besides wifi. | 19:08 |
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| lardman | next device will have hsda (right word?) | 19:10 |
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| woglinde | lardman man no | 19:11 |
| melmoth | it will have a always connected something..but one will still need to have a contract with a phone company to use it | 19:11 |
| woglinde | not the right word | 19:11 |
| lardman | yeah, contracts are pretty cheap here atm though | 19:11 |
| lardman | woglinde: what is it then? got a p in it? | 19:11 |
| woglinde | yes p | 19:12 |
| melmoth | i do not even own a mobile phone (i hate mobile phone) :-) | 19:12 |
| lardman | :) | 19:12 |
| woglinde | you dont need to call | 19:12 |
| woglinde | only for tcp/ip | 19:12 |
| lardman | anyway, it would be another option for extending the usability of mm | 19:14 |
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| melmoth | hmmm, funnily enough, the same test code use only 80M (vs 100M) when ran on scratchibx debian (vs my ubuntu laptop) | 19:15 |
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| lardman | that's strange | 19:17 |
| lardman | is your laptop 64bit? | 19:17 |
| melmoth | nope | 19:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Why is the popup blocker function in microb so retarded? I set it to not allow popups. By doing so, I did not realise it would count links that open in a new window that you tap to open as a popup. | 19:18 |
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| lardman | hey qwerty12_N800, how's things? | 19:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey lardman, i'm good thanks, installing vista atm... all good for you i hope? | 19:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/all/all going/ | 19:22 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: hey lardman, i'm good thanks, install goinging vista atm... all good for you i hope? | 19:22 |
| sp3000 | that sounds ...dissonant | 19:22 |
| lardman | Vista, yow | 19:22 |
| lardman | yeah not bad though, just motivated to get some routing working after a crap trip back from Northampton in the week (i.e. I took the wrong turn, then couldn't really stop to look at the map for a long while) | 19:23 |
| lardman | and not really wanting to spend lots of cash on a TomTom | 19:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I use ubuntu too :p. Well, all the other computers are vista in my house and i'm bored with xp + I actually have a legal copy (i know, a rarity these days) | 19:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch :( | 19:24 |
| lardman | +8Gb of RAM + 1Gb graphics card to go with it? ;) | 19:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No :p. Only 2GB and some rubbish IGP which works well actually for aero. | 19:25 |
| lardman | Anyone know of any other online routing services other than Google and Viamichelin? | 19:25 |
| woglinde | lardman for europe? | 19:25 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: cool, I guess you're just going to try out the graphical prettiness to prepare for the N900? ;) | 19:25 |
| lardman | woglinde: yep, but it would be interested to know of others too | 19:26 |
| lardman | bbiab | 19:26 |
| woglinde | lardman www.map24.de | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: I got compiz for that :p. I just feel like a change atm :/ | 19:26 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what's the bug with all the people bitching about ogg support? | 19:52 |
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| crashanddie | #176? | 19:52 |
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| Jaffa | yup | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | Interesting that a year ago, qgil was talking about an "Automated codec installer" which was planned (comment #29) | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:07 |
| * Jaffa notices that timsamoff and GeneralAntilles both now have (maemo.org) suffices in Bugzilla. Must go and find some of my comments :) | 20:08 | |
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| RST38h | bitching about ogg support comes from precious few people who use (god knows why) because nokia and the rest of the world do not care | 20:08 |
| melmoth | lardman|afk: youhou, navit runs on scratchbox... i m impressed. | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: it's fascinating reading. Personally, I'd rather have Skype with video, a clutter-based UI, consistent scrolling, efficient usage of screen real estate etc. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: exactly. but some people are mightily adamant about ogg... | 20:12 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 20:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it's bollocks when perfectly usual 3rd party projects provide ogg. It's just a few people who don't even know how to use the tablet that complain. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, http://www.flickr.com/photos/30865459@N05/2890939725/sizes/l/ Best logo ever! :D | 20:13 |
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| lardman | if they want bloody ogg then help me write the dsp task! | 20:16 |
| lardman | ;) | 20:16 |
| lardman | melmoth: cool, you worked out how the routing dialog works? | 20:16 |
| melmoth | sort of | 20:17 |
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| melmoth | it really can fit all france in 100M ! (where i cannot fit paris ;-) ) | 20:17 |
| melmoth | finds route from paris to a 500KM away city in a couple of seconds. | 20:17 |
| lardman | depends how it does the algo of course | 20:18 |
| lardman | probably doesn't try to calculate all possible routes everywhere | 20:18 |
| lardman | via everywhere that is | 20:18 |
| melmoth | README states it s Dijkstra algorithm | 20:19 |
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| lardman | http://www.worldmapper.org/ cool :) | 20:19 |
| jott | worldmapper is funny :) | 20:19 |
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| lardman | melmoth: in which case you can read in the data sequentially | 20:21 |
| jott | Jaffa: http://flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/2884868357/ nice one :) | 20:21 |
| woglinde | hi jozz | 20:21 |
| lardman | :) | 20:21 |
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| woglinde | ups jott | 20:21 |
| jott | hey! | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | jott: :) | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | What's the point of being in a city, without a car, if you're not drinking cheap, large, not entirely undrinkable beer at lunch? | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | ...whilst geeking out. | 20:22 |
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| woglinde | jaffa you couldnt type a word here in this case | 20:23 |
| lardman | +1 for the cheapness! | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | True, I think I had my thumb on PgUp and was reading scrollback what happened during lunch. | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | +1 for lardman spotting 'em ;-) | 20:24 |
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| * Jaffa should stop spodding so he can dedicate it to #maemo-meeting later. | 20:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 1.5 hours remaining | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | But I'm semi-looking after Jaffa Jr on his laptop | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: are you chairing the meeting? | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it may well fall on me. | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which would be bad, as I don't have any plan at all. | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | heh, IIRC you suggested the meeting; you're council chair; you're good at shepherding cats... sounds like the right man for the job ;-) | 20:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts together a rough agenda. | 20:26 | |
| Jaffa | Cool | 20:27 |
| sp3000 | yeah, we like it rough | 20:27 |
| woglinde | *g* | 20:27 |
| sp3000 | (out-of-context-sp3000 is out-of-context) | 20:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles beats sp3000 around a bit with a sack of oranges. | 20:28 | |
| sp3000 | rrrawr. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a better hold on Google page rank than me? | 20:28 |
| gomiam | GeneralAntilles: "hold"? | 20:30 |
| jott | ask gnuite to edit the index :P | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | gomiam, grasp or understanding | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Not just sites with high page rank which count as authoritative? | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've got /a/ grasp, whether it's better than yours or not, I can't say! | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 20:31 |
| jott | no. page rank is much more elaborated nowadays. | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | My grasp is about nothing. ;) | 20:32 |
| gomiam | GeneralAntilles: it's easy, there's a lot of trained pigeons clicking on the screen at Google server facilities | 20:32 |
| jott | but links from high profile sites count :) | 20:32 |
| gomiam | :-D | 20:32 |
| matrx | have they upgraded from pigeons? | 20:32 |
| matrx | :p | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm mostly wondering how we can leverage the good page ranking of the old wiki pages to boost the rank of the new wiki pages. | 20:32 |
| gomiam | matrx: they tried to use vultures, but they tended to eat to much carrion. Caretakers complained loudly | 20:33 |
| gomiam | s/to/too/ | 20:33 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: matrx: they tried too use vultures, but they tended to eat to much carrion. Caretakers complained loudly | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: replace as many pages as possible in the old wiki with either a "301 Moved Permanently" redirect or a single link saying "see here". | 20:33 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: redirect? :) | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Redirect sounds good, I guess. | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi StsN800 | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There actually aren't that many pages that really need it | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the flashing articles from Midgard are still at the top of the google results even though they've been deleted. | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | Google'll find out eventually, but a redirect is the simplest; easiest and best solution | 20:34 |
| jott | yeah i would also say so. | 20:34 |
| jott | plus links from other places to the page would be covered. | 20:35 |
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| matahari | hi. Could someone please post me what's inside $PATH on your n810? My n810 can't find a bunch of programs, and i always have to export PATH by hand - what's annoying.... | 20:39 |
| * StsN800 waves from dublin | 20:39 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | matahari: user path: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games root path: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi StsN800 | 20:40 |
| StsN800 | lo qwerty12_N800 | 20:41 |
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| matahari | qwerty12_N800: wow.... where can i set the PATH statically? | 20:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matahari: export export PATH=$PATH:/where/ever in your ~/.profile should do it | 20:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | remove first export | 20:45 |
| matahari | ok, thanks | 20:46 |
| * qwerty12_N800 vista upgrade is still going after 2 hours :/ | 20:46 | |
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| * RST38h read it as "after 2 years" | 20:49 | |
| RST38h | it is, qwerty, it is... | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, at this rate, probably will be :p | 20:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | then i've got to reinstall grub :/ | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, agenda together. | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | evenin folks | 20:50 |
| rm_you | evening lcuk | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi lcuk | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1 hour and 10 minutes -> #maemo-meeting | 20:50 |
| rm_you | i might actually be around for that <_< | 20:50 |
| RST38h | 23:00 local? mhm | 20:51 |
| rm_you | 14:00 local? :) | 20:51 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you sent an email marked one hour ago as being meeting in just over an hour | 20:51 |
| * RST38h will be up though, still having intercourse with that dev board | 20:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I sent it 5 minutes ago. | 20:51 |
| lcuk | lol hmm | 20:51 |
| lcuk | gmail has it on mine as 5:47 PM (1 hour ago) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | MIPS has got a really retro instruction set. | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | never mind ill stick around | 20:52 |
| RST38h | ARM has it easy, it is no real RISC | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: no fmsx for my router then? =) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | MIPS is a real fucking RISC =( | 20:53 |
| rm_you | I need to get a cat-proof powerstrip | 20:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Oh, I have even got VGBA running on it, just slowly | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ow :/ | 20:53 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Why? You don't wanna know what will happen? =) | 20:53 |
| lcuk | rm_you, just put THINNER insulation on it, the problem will solve itself | 20:53 |
| rm_you | yeah, MIPS is what we learned in my comp. architecture class | 20:53 |
| RST38h | rm_you: And the funny thing is, it HAS NOT CHANGED since that time =) | 20:54 |
| rm_you | i'm more worried about the fact that it turns off if you breathe too hard on the power switch, not to mention if a cat steps near it | 20:54 |
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| JasonWoof | is diablo a recommended upgrade for all n810 users? | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | yes | 20:55 |
| rm_you | yes | 20:55 |
| woglinde | yes | 20:55 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 20:55 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:55 |
| JasonWoof | cool, will do. just gotta backup my home directory | 20:55 |
| RST38h | [whispering] Modest. | 20:55 |
| JasonWoof | thanks | 20:56 |
| JasonWoof | i don't use the builtin e-mail, just gmail | 20:56 |
| RST38h | btw, given the fact that everybody is here, has anyone got any flash content to work in Diablo MicroB? | 20:56 |
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| JasonWoof | I might use a builtin e-mail program if I had offlineimap | 20:57 |
| sp3000 | RST38h: sure | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, plenty of it. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | any examples? | 21:05 |
| RST38h | to me, it looks like the moment there is an embedded flash block, browserd goes into cardiac arrest | 21:06 |
| sp3000 | teh youtubas | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | youtubes send browserd into a loop | 21:06 |
| * sp3000 watches some norwegians cover his band | 21:06 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | YouTube works fine here. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | weird | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Slow, of course, but that's to be expected. | 21:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Youtube works for me too with some stuttering halfway through. Much better than chinook in that regard though. | 21:08 |
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| sp3000 | speaking of which, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c | 21:09 |
| RST38h | 100% cpu usage though? | 21:09 |
| RST38h | even when video is stopped? | 21:09 |
| sp3000 | a fullscreened youtube is 60--80% after video | 21:11 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, sp3000, that's awesome. | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | hey, it's got those related videos animations and crap | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | wait, you were talking about the video, weren't you :P | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. :P | 21:13 |
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| matahari | i have problems with cloning my system to a SD card. I used penguinbait's Install-tools and install-tools-advanced to clone diablo to my external SD on my n810, but i have no efforts.... The scripts run fine, but my n810 will never boot from SD (but i can select it in bootmenu)... | 21:19 |
| sp3000 | RST38h: fwiw flashblock makes the youtubes appear doubled for me on diablo, which is problematic | 21:19 |
| matahari | it always hangs at the NOKIA screen with the progress bar, and there is written "Booting from mmc12 (mmcblk0p2 ext2)" and i have to remove the battery to reboot.... | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't help with penguinbaits installers | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | but | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 21:20 |
| infobot | i heard boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:20 |
| RST38h | sp3000: weird...I installed it recently and it does not seem to double 'em | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | AdBlock fixes it for some reason. | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But AdBlock has its own massive set of issues. | 21:21 |
| RST38h | I disabled adblock although it is still installed | 21:21 |
| matahari | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 21:21 |
| RST38h | somebody should really get back to maintaining browser extras... | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | They all pretty much suck, unfortunately. | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's one repository I definitely don't want to see moved to Extras. | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The greasemonkey port is decent but not a fan on the others | 21:22 |
| RST38h | do they suck for fundamental reasons or because nobody has maintained them for long time? | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, by the way, think I could talk you into putting together a CSS/hosts adblocking package for Extras? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't know, most of them just aren't well put together. | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Alas, I'm not the best packager in the world :/ | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but I'm not looking for the best. :P | 21:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Biggest hurdle is probably cleaning up the hosts file during uninstall. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | hosts may be less important than css | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dnsmasq has an option to use a separate hosts file for ad blocking | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | neither solves the problem completely though so I would much prefer adblock to work =( | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I prefer lightweight almost-as-good ad blocking to slow-the-browser-to-a-crawl better ad blocking. | 21:26 |
| * RST38h still has hopes adblock can be fixed | 21:27 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Plug-ins are weird on microb though. I packaged wmlbrowser and it works when it feels like it :p | 21:28 |
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| JasonWoof | wow, flashing was very fast! | 21:30 |
| JasonWoof | I must have usb2 or something | 21:30 |
| RST38h | General: btw is fb-based vgba noticeably faster? | 21:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, ridiculously faster. | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the upscaling is uglier. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | heh | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: i'd say it is. much faster than morphgear on my 520mhz ppc | 21:32 |
| RST38h | To avoid upscaling, enable scanline simulation | 21:32 |
| RST38h | it will become slower though, sorry | 21:32 |
| matahari | does someone have the same issue, that the PATH settings on n810/Diablo are messed up? apt-get complains about missing programs, and my $PATH only contains /usr/bin /usr/local/bin and /bin (but none of the /sbin's). But i set the paths for root in /root/.profile - but they don't appear here... Has somebody an idea what might be wrong` | 21:32 |
| matahari | ? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish we had the horsepower for a nice upscaler. | 21:33 |
| RST38h | we do | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Enable interpolation in VBA | 21:33 |
| RST38h | VGBA | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it slows it down. | 21:33 |
| RST38h | What you see (including performance) is based on 2xsai | 21:33 |
| RST38h | It has NOT been optimized. | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Plain C code, not making use of two previous scanlines that it has already read | 21:34 |
| RST38h | given that even this code is still reasonably fast, the optimized version should run just fine | 21:34 |
| JasonWoof | matahari: how are you becoming root? | 21:35 |
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| matahari | JasonWoof: rootsh | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matahari: in that case, use "root" command to become root | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Though apt-get should show up as non-root uuser anyway. | 21:41 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 <3's bash completion on the tablets | 21:41 | |
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| matahari | qwerty12_N800: when everything was so easy ;-) | 21:44 |
| matahari | thanks a lot | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse hildonised leafpad | 21:48 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hildonised leafpad ! | 21:48 |
| hrw | hi | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, hrw. | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi hrw | 21:48 |
| hrw | someone know how to force canola2 to READ files which it has on MOUNTED remote? | 21:49 |
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| hrw | I have sshfs mounted lot of music from my desktop on 770 but canola2 beta9 only use files copied to device | 21:49 |
| hrw | remote is mounted in ~user/MyDocs/.sounds/home.lan/ | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | UPnP might work better. | 21:50 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I do not plan to add another service to home.lan machine | 21:50 |
| hrw | and now canola2 died on mp3 ;( | 21:51 |
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| JasonWoo1 | my tablet is staying online... | 21:52 |
| JasonWoo1 | I'm very excited to see espeak in the repository now! | 21:52 |
| JasonWoo1 | I was considering taking the time to cross-compile all the libraries it needed, but hadn't gotten around to it | 21:53 |
| melmoth | JasonWoo1: i pushed it recently. | 21:53 |
| JasonWoo1 | how can I hook one of my hardware buttons to a shell script? | 21:53 |
| JasonWoo1 | thankyou thankyou thankyou! | 21:53 |
| melmoth | you will need to play with gstreamer to have it work | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7 minutes -> #maemo-meeting | 21:53 |
| JasonWoo1 | melmoth: how do I do that? | 21:53 |
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| melmoth | /usr/bin/espeak -v fr --stdout "Bonjour" |gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert!autoaudiosink | 21:54 |
| JasonWoo1 | with exclamation marks? | 21:55 |
| melmoth | pipe and exclamation mark :) | 21:56 |
| melmoth | you pire the output of epseak to the standard input of gstreamer, wich use then ! to descrive the gstreamer pipelines used | 21:56 |
| melmoth | so, after Bonjour, it s a pipe, then only exclamation mark | 21:56 |
| RST38h | hrw: I experimented with upnp a little bit - it seems relatively harmless | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | of course, canola crashing at a slightest provocation is a different issue | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | btw, what is best open source upnp server for *nix? I may cc one for my router. | 21:58 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: there are about 3 | 21:58 |
| RST38h | qwerty: the best so far seems to be a simple command-line thingie | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k, thanks | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Try uShare | 21:59 |
| RST38h | MediaTomb looks like a gross overkill | 22:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | #maemo-meeting | 22:00 |
| RST38h | ok | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ushare seems nice, thanks. it uses libupnp which is already on router | 22:01 |
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| hrw | shit.. gregale (os2006) apps are so limited.. | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 22:03 |
| hrw | "sshfs user@host:dir ~user/MyDocs/dir" results in non-accessable from maemo dir | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | -o allow_other ? | 22:04 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: gracias - works | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | that would be 5EUR | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | *kaching* | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | paul newman is dead | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 22:06 |
| hrw | so 2 beers on next meeting | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding (about 5eur) | 22:06 |
| hrw | I know ;S | 22:07 |
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| hrw | now I wonder how much time will canola spend on refreshing those 38GB of music... | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | don't do it | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | choose 'play by folder' | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 22:08 |
| RST38h | over sshfs? forever. | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | media libraries are evil | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | and simply dumb | 22:08 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.micheldebroin.org/projects/deadstar/2.html | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:09 |
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| KotCzarny | hrw: wanna my ncurses mplayer ui? | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | has recursive play etc | 22:12 |
| hrw | cooll.... canola + 'browse by folder' == 'no items found' in directory with 12 mp3 files | 22:12 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: it has to be as dump as possible | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | dump? | 22:13 |
| hrw | dumb | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | it is | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | simple and does the job | 22:13 |
| ds3 | complaints after using Chinook on the road for a week - Firefox is the biggest PoS and the media player needs to support OGGs proper; the hacked one has a very annoying problem | 22:13 |
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| KotCzarny | hrw, you have n810 ? | 22:14 |
| ds3 | firefox has been responsible for rapid power drain at least 3 times during the week | 22:14 |
| ds3 | no, plain N800 | 22:14 |
| hrw | ds3: its maemo - get used to it or change device | 22:14 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: I want something on old 770/os2006 | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | ds3 == hrw ? | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | ds3: Firefox? You mean the built-in browser (microb) or Fennec? | 22:14 |
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| ds3 | no | 22:14 |
| ds3 | hrw != ds3 | 22:14 |
| ds3 | Jaffa: microb | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | Not Firefox, then. | 22:15 |
| ds3 | thought microb is a stripped firefox? | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | ds3: browserd hangup | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: as long you have mplayer on it and some kind of xterm and ncurses | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | ds3: Upgrade to diablo. If reproducible, raise bugs :-) | 22:15 |
| RST38h | ds3: probably caused by browserd choking on embedded flash or some css | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | ds3: No, it's a new browser based on a Gecko rendering engine. | 22:15 |
| timsamoff | Arg. Sign in. Son wakes up. Must go. :( | 22:15 |
| lcuk | hey kot | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | microb is the engine + brand new ui | 22:15 |
| ds3 | Jaffa: the problem is it tries to support all sorts of javascript crap so it takes minutes to render a page and allow pages to keep the CPU spinning preventing a sleep | 22:16 |
| ds3 | RST38h: I have disabled flash | 22:16 |
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| timsamoff | Have fun everyone... Later. | 22:16 |
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| Jaffa | ds3: "all sorts of JavaScript crap" is necessary in a consumer Internet tablet. | 22:16 |
| ds3 | the N800 is fine if I can recharge every day but long term use has really irked me | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: do you have sdk for os2006? or will binary for os2008 work? | 22:16 |
| hrw | remember that microb in chinook/diablo is sort of firefox3 alpha1 times.. | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: external battery back? | 22:17 |
| ds3 | Jaffa: I disagree... the Access browser was very useful and didn't do that | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | 4x AA should do the work | 22:17 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: binary for os2008 will rather not work and I do not even plan to touch maemo sdk | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: statically compiled too? | 22:17 |
| ds3 | KotCzarny: I have the peices to do it, but I rather not as my pockets are full enough | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | ds3: Turn JavaScript off then. | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: 4x AA isn't big | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | and will provide you 3x longer battery time | 22:17 |
| ds3 | the only reason I 'survived' is I had a 2000mAH LiIon pack on me | 22:17 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: static? this is 770 - small rootfs space etc | 22:17 |
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| ds3 | Jaffa: I try that but there is something in there that turns it back on automatically :( | 22:18 |
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| KotCzarny | hrw, then how can i provide you with the pfl ? | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | you can't compile from source | 22:18 |
| ds3 | don't get the wrong idea, I like my N800... these are just things that I found troublesome for long term use | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | and no way to run other binary | 22:18 |
| hrw | ok, canola2 is not usable on 770 - too slow ;( | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, don't complain when you're using an old OS version. | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3: | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 22:19 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: is that li-ion regular nokia battery? | 22:19 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: is the diablo - chinook changes that significant? | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | 2Ah is nice | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the browser, yes. | 22:19 |
| ds3 | KotCzarny: no, this is an external charger pack | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 22:19 |
| mdg | what formats does mplayer support? | 22:19 |
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| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: ah okay... most of the ITT pages suggests diablo is a minor change mainly to add the OTA upgrade ability | 22:20 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo for lack of good stuff | 22:20 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for lack of good stuff ! | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, the browser has undergone two fairly significant upgrades. | 22:20 |
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| KotCzarny | it should be changed to vista administrator | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:20 |
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| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: fair response. I will withhold further comments til I upgrade to diablo and had another opportunity to do a long term usage | 22:21 |
| ds3 | the goal is to have a true pocket size laptop replacement... and it is mostly there | 22:21 |
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| KotCzarny | hrw: does os2006 have ncurses5 ? | 22:25 |
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| mdg | what about kanju - any good? | 22:25 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: please - I do not want to force target user to ncurses | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | i'm just asking :) | 22:28 |
| hrw | it does | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | and your problem is having limited resources | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | how about xmms then? | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | or you want binary compiled by me for that pfl | 22:28 |
| mdg | I downloaded a video using keepvid website, saved as mpeg4, but it does not play | 22:28 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: I will try few solutions first | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 22:29 |
| hrw | and will have to install smbfs to get a bit better use | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | it can also use mpg123/mpg321 as a backend too | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | instead of mplayer | 22:29 |
| hrw | and ogg123 mpc123 etc? | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | although supported file formats will be limited to mp3 then | 22:30 |
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| KotCzarny | as long they support slave interface | 22:30 |
| hrw | I have mp3/ogg/flac/mpc etc in collection | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer is the best option | 22:30 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: its 38GB of music... | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't index them, simple find . -type f when creating recursive playlist | 22:30 |
| mdg | I like MOC | 22:30 |
| hrw | 9877 files | 22:31 |
| hrw | ah - lot of them are SAP format | 22:31 |
| hrw | ~curse again.. | 22:33 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, again.. ! | 22:33 |
| hrw | no smbfs.ko in os2006 | 22:34 |
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| KotCzarny | statically compiled ncurses app is 700kb | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: not in os2008 by default either. time to get kernel sources :) | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | shared one is 70kb | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | how is that for a such fine mplayer ui | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: (s)stripping producing any worthwhile size reductions? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | that's stripped | 22:36 |
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| KotCzarny | anyway, version for n800: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:24080/n800/pfl/ | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | i mean for maemo | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | compiled without n8x0 optimizations | 22:38 |
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| hrw | shit.. 2.6.21 cifs implementation is too old for samba 3.2 or other thing is fscked | 22:41 |
| hrw | [ 3709.550384] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 | 22:42 |
| hrw | [ 3714.846954] CIFS VFS: Calculated size 0x51 vs actual length 0x63 | 22:42 |
| hrw | [ 3714.847076] CIFS VFS: bad smb size detected for Mid=1 | 22:42 |
| hrw | found | 22:43 |
| hrw | '/' too much ;D | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | it will try to index it over poor wifi | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:45 |
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| hrw | playing mp3 from samba share over wifi in maemo audio player has skips... | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | try me, try me | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | you may try renicing samba process too | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | ie. giving audio thred top priority | 22:49 |
| hrw | on 770? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | thread | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | it has renice, right? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | on 2008 usual offenders are Xomap and mmc driver threads | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | renicing them to 0 or higher results in continuous audio no matter what | 22:52 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, don't lurk | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | report | 22:54 |
| lcuk | readin the meetin | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's running now? | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | or archive? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | but ive done some cleanup and culling today and removed all documents from fixed location and am in process of making everything work with things in proper specified paths | 22:55 |
| lcuk | yes, been goin for an hour | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | gah. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | ive not gotten round to laptop stuff, but theres no point until the code is cleaner | 22:56 |
| hrw | 27 21:06 < GeneralAntilles> #maemo-meeting | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | hrw, not very descriptive | 22:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 understood it | 22:56 | |
| lcuk | blunt and to the point ;) | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | it could be anything from a date to just spam | 22:56 |
| lcuk | lol @ gen actively spamming | 22:57 |
| lcuk | its been in the title for about a month as well :P | 22:57 |
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| hrw | ~curse kagu author for running scan on first start | 22:57 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, kagu author for running scan on first start ! | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | as i was here for a month :P | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~topic | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /topic | 22:58 |
| * lcuk whistles quietly cos hrw will shout at him one day for similar reason | 22:58 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, don't you even think about media libraries :) | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liqbase == metalayer mk 2!?! :o :p | 22:59 |
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| hrw | lcuk: meta indexer on ~user/MyDocs/ will run? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | nahhh i dont follow symlinks | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | still, don't even think about it, browse by dir/file | 23:00 |
| lcuk | hrw, no just filename grabbin | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | you shouldn't precache it imo | 23:00 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, i wouldnt ever push a media library at you, but i will store your recent documents and allow you to browse them as will :) | 23:00 |
| hrw | lcuk: how fast does it index 800 dirs with 10000 files? | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | that much is ok | 23:01 |
| lcuk | probably about a fortnight | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: run: time find /yourdir | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:01 |
| hrw | real 0m0.319s | 23:01 |
| hrw | user 0m0.033s | 23:01 |
| hrw | sys 0m0.061s | 23:01 |
| hrw | enough? | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | your target dir | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:01 |
| hrw | thats for 10671 entries reported by find | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | the one with 10000 files | 23:02 |
| hrw | started on my desktop | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | you asked about n800 speed | 23:02 |
| hrw | real 0m 11.43s | 23:03 |
| hrw | user 0m 0.27s | 23:03 |
| hrw | sys 0m 1.85s | 23:03 |
| hrw | same on 770 with dir mounted by samba | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | and that's the time it would take | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | without scanning by content obviously | 23:03 |
| hrw | shit.. 10000 of music files makes any maemo player unusable ;( | 23:04 |
| lcuk | doesnt find produce a lot of console output | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: get pfl, get pfl | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and over ssh | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:04 |
| hrw | Nokia770-49:/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/home.lan# time find . >/dev/null | 23:04 |
| hrw | real 0m 1.84s | 23:04 |
| hrw | user 0m 0.11s | 23:04 |
| hrw | sys 0m 0.53s | 23:04 |
| lcuk | scanning internally without doing loads will be 100x faster | 23:04 |
| lcuk | :) see :D | 23:04 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: target user... | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i manage to scan all docs in media/mmc1+2+ mydocs | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: navigation is with dpad | 23:05 |
| lcuk | in a breif fraction of time | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | and all you need is playing the music/seeing the playlist | 23:05 |
| lcuk | ie | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 23:05 |
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| hrw | right | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | it's 770 so you don't want any bells and whistles | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | only to work as expected | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | i have put png how it looks | 23:06 |
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| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:24080/n800/pfl/playfilelist.png | 23:07 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: /tmp/playfilelist . | 23:07 |
| hrw | No rc files found, using defaults! | 23:07 |
| hrw | Attempting to compile playlist ....done. | 23:07 |
| hrw | and exit | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: try adding some dir to cmd line | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | no segfault? | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | only exit? | 23:07 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: "." is dir | 23:08 |
| hrw | exit only | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | can you run with -d param and send me a ~/.playfilelist.debug ? | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | or try / instead of . | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | or don't use params at all | 23:08 |
| hrw | Creating ncurses interface... | 23:09 |
| hrw | Error opening terminal: xterm. | 23:09 |
| hrw | thats reason | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get install ncurses-base ? | 23:09 |
| hrw | now better ;d | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | btw. i don't remember what was default mplayer cmd line it uses | 23:10 |
| hrw | funny output when no mplayer/mpg321 in system | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | get playfilelistrc too | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | i think mpg321 needs something like mpg321 -C dummy_file as an option | 23:11 |
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| lcuk_afk | bbiab | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | i mean -R dummy_file | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | playfilelist -P "/mnt/hda8/mpg321 -R blah" | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | but i haven't used mpg123 in a long time | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | and you want ogg/aac etc | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | so mplayer is better anyway | 23:13 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: pfl launch mplayer and no sound... mplayer with same file == sound | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: does it show 'mplayer started' in the window? | 23:17 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: http://pastebin.com/d67e60db7 | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | that's the reason | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | get playfilelistrc | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | and modify mplayer line | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | it tries to use alsa as audio output | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | you can do it from cmdline too | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | try pfl -P "mplayer -slave -idle -v -vo null" | 23:20 |
| hrw | works | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | another thing i don't remember in what state i left playlist engine.. | 23:21 |
| hrw | ok | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | i remember hacking it for php player.. | 23:21 |
| hrw | have a good night | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | should work though | 23:21 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 23:21 |
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| mdg | how do I install BASH on my 770 running hackeros2007 | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | cp bash /bin/bash | 23:38 |
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| KotCzarny | cp bash /usr/bin/ could work too | 23:38 |
| mdg | you mean on the 770 x-term? | 23:39 |
| Stargazers^ | Hi. I installed Debian using deblet. All seems to be fine, then boot -> select from boot menu to go in Deblet -> it tries, then it just reboots (just white screen where comes text that it tries to boot from card) and then, normal boot from flash? | 23:40 |
| Stargazers^ | What can be wrong? | 23:40 |
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| Stargazers^ | I didin't saw any errors etc. | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap's bash2 with bash3 + bashish + bash-completion pwns | 23:40 |
| Stargazers^ | *didn't | 23:40 |
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| mdg | didn't work | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | of course not. where is this bash binary meant to come from? | 23:44 |
| mdg | that's what I asked - how/where do I install | 23:45 |
| Stargazers^ | Anyone? | 23:45 |
| matrx | Stargazers^: i think i had a similar problem, boot into maemo and edit the file in /etc/bootmenu.d/ | 23:45 |
| Stargazers^ | Oj, | 23:46 |
| matrx | for me it was pointing to the wrong device | 23:46 |
| Stargazers^ | Thanks, have to look. | 23:46 |
| mdg | does this require root access | 23:46 |
| Stargazers^ | Any tutorial? | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mdg: you followed cp instructions when they were bound not to work. i'd give you my binary of bash3 but it was compiled for os2008 and has n800 opts byme | 23:46 |
| Stargazers^ | matrx: You mean, bootmenu.conf? | 23:46 |
| Stargazers^ | Or file inside bootmenu.d? | 23:46 |
| matrx | the file in bootmenu.d | 23:47 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. | 23:47 |
| Stargazers^ | So, if I have it on external sd card place, what should it be then? | 23:47 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: whats bashish? | 23:47 |
| matrx | there's a few posts in the forum | 23:47 |
| Stargazers^ | matrx: Can you give url? :S | 23:47 |
| matrx | what does your ITEM_DEVICE currently say? | 23:48 |
| Stargazers^ | ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p2" | 23:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Should it be EXT_CARD? | 23:48 |
| Stargazers^ | Err. | 23:48 |
| Stargazers^ | It is what is placed in the bottom of N800 | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: little themer for bash. i got it to install on my tablet after compiling dialog and modifying dpkg status file to let me install debianutils | 23:49 |
| Stargazers^ | And it is on partition 2, or at least it should be. | 23:49 |
| Stargazers^ | First (256MB) is swap. | 23:49 |
| Stargazers^ | Then root partition and then /home | 23:49 |
| matrx | i had the same error on the n810 | 23:49 |
| Stargazers^ | You made it work? | 23:49 |
| zap | "bashish rocks your socks"... hmmm... | 23:49 |
| matrx | ${INT_CARD}p2 should be mmcblk0p2 | 23:49 |
| Stargazers^ | Let me see. | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/customsh.png :p | 23:50 |
| matrx | then run refresh_bootmenu.d as root | 23:50 |
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| Stargazers^ | matrx: When "ls /dev/mmc" and pressing tabs -> "/dev/mmcblk1 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /dev/mmcblk1p2 /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 23:50 |
| Stargazers^ | So it is pointing on wrong device. | 23:51 |
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| Stargazers^ | I have it on mmcblk1 | 23:51 |
| matrx | then try mmcblk1p2 | 23:51 |
| JasonWoof | I got an apple bluetooth keyboard. I'm not at all happy with how it responds on my n810. there's enough lag that I really can't use it for real-time games, and keys stick a lot | 23:51 |
| Stargazers^ | Just typing it directly? | 23:51 |
| JasonWoof | like every 20 keypresses | 23:51 |
| Stargazers^ | Or using that variable? | 23:51 |
| matrx | ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk1p2" | 23:52 |
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| mdg | JasonWoof: I was thinking of buying one of those | 23:52 |
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| JasonWoof | mdg: the keyboard is awesome | 23:53 |
| JasonWoof | I tried hooking it to a mac, and it works great | 23:53 |
| JasonWoof | no key sticking, no lag | 23:53 |
| matrx | Stargazers^: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=227055&postcount=117 | 23:53 |
| JasonWoof | on my tablet it's crappy | 23:53 |
| Stargazers^ | Didn't boot from it. | 23:53 |
| matrx | there are better ones on the forum | 23:53 |
| JasonWoof | also I can't seem to get a different keyboard layout for it | 23:53 |
| matrx | then try mmcblk0p2 | 23:53 |
| Stargazers^ | Ach, didn't remember to reflash? | 23:53 |
| Stargazers^ | How I can do it. | 23:53 |
| mdg | well that's a bummer - not working with you 810 | 23:54 |
| Stargazers^ | And should it be done after changin that file? | 23:54 |
| JasonWoof | mdg: it works, just not as well as I'd hoped. I'm probably exagerating badly on the stickey keys | 23:54 |
| mdg | did you have to set it up with your mac first? | 23:54 |
| matrx | yes, as root under maemo, run refresh_bootmenu.d to update the bootmenu | 23:54 |
| JasonWoof | mdg: no | 23:54 |
| Stargazers^ | Ok. | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | JasonWoof: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ may help | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | for layout | 23:54 |
| JasonWoof | qwerty12_N800: thanks | 23:54 |
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| mdg | Is Midnight Command or EmelFM available in hackeros2007? | 23:57 |
| zap | you may try the one for Maemo | 23:59 |
| zap | I mean for Chinook | 23:59 |
| zap | should work (mc) | 23:59 |
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