| RST38h | General: wait until you see an article on nuclear weapons | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | http://knol.google.com/k/jahangir-vahid/nuclear-weapons/12lkc2gtf2u7n/3# | 00:00 |
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| malikul | hum looks accurate to me. haha jk | 00:06 |
| lardman | hmm, apparently the confgigure script still finds python2.3 | 00:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: no --with-python= switch or the like? | 00:08 |
| melmoth | lardman: what are you trying to install ? | 00:08 |
| lardman | navit | 00:08 |
| pcaddict | is there a way to add a certificate to the list found in the wlan connectivity settings when setting up a wireless network using wpa with eap? i went into the certificates menu in the control panel and trusted the Thawte Premium certificate for wlan (i believe it was already trusted) but am still unable to select a certificate when setting up a wireless connection | 00:09 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: looking to override it now | 00:09 |
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| melmoth | navit is in python ? | 00:09 |
| lardman | no, it has Python bindings which don't want to compile | 00:10 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wishes emesene wasn't in python :( | 00:10 | |
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| lardman | crapy thing, even if I override the env vars it still fails | 00:11 |
| melmoth | lardman: did you play with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE ? | 00:11 |
| * qwerty12_N800 edits configure script directly. dirty, I know but hey | 00:11 | |
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| lardman | no, means little to me I'm afraid | 00:12 |
| melmoth | i once had to use that to 'override' the scracthbox idea about wich swig version it has to use | 00:12 |
| melmoth | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37695 | 00:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: well the configure script finds python, I'd have to edit a number of Makefiles :( | 00:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :( | 00:13 |
| lardman | I don't know why it still finds python2.3 | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mpd = king | 00:13 |
| lardman | /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3 | 00:14 |
| melmoth | lardman: i had exactly the same issue with swig, it kept using the scratchbox one, even though i needed the environment to use another one.Changing path did not help | 00:16 |
| melmoth | using SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE did | 00:16 |
| lardman | yeah, I read your ml link, too late in the evening to work that out :) | 00:16 |
| lardman | thanks though, I'll look at it tomorrow | 00:16 |
| lardman | anyway, night all | 00:18 |
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| pcaddict | oops, just realized this is the wrong channel. is there a maemo support channel? | 00:20 |
| melmoth | hmmm, support..sort of :) | 00:20 |
| melmoth | maemo talkabout channel :) | 00:20 |
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| Pavlov | what package is xdpyinfo in? | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | none | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | compile yourself | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
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| KotCzarny | it's part of x.org but most of the utils are left out | 00:24 |
| Pavlov | is the xdamage extension part of maemo X? | 00:26 |
| Pavlov | thats all i really want to know | 00:26 |
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| woglinde_ | good nite | 00:38 |
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| malikul | mikkov_: hey I just finished reading the documentation. I dont have my build environment to test. I choose execvp because I want to execute a command line program (this happens to be a separate c program) and have it run as its own process...completely separate from the process already running. From the docs is looks like Popen and call would not be the correct command to choose. but what about spawnvp? Also, do you have any recommen | 00:39 |
| malikul | dations? | 00:39 |
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| jott | hey qole found your way back to irc, eh? :) | 00:58 |
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| qole | only when I need help :D | 00:59 |
| qole | begging anyone: is there a way to speed up loop0 access? | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beat it with a stick. | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Switch to a real partition | 01:02 |
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| jott | set your cpufreq governor to performance? :) | 01:02 |
| qole | you know, mount /media/mmc1/file.img /opt -o loop,noatime | 01:03 |
| jott | hey lardman just tried navit. seems to compile fine here when replacing python with python2.5 in configure.in | 01:03 |
| qole | is there something i could renice? | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mmcqd *possibly* | 01:03 |
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| matan | qole: Do you see a difference between loop performance and direct partition? There should not be a measurable difference. | 01:05 |
| jott | do you use a 48mhz kernel? | 01:05 |
| jott | (as in patched sd/mmc driver) | 01:06 |
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| qole | HUGE difference, 3x slower | 01:08 |
| qole | I want a solution for average users w/ normal kernel | 01:08 |
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| qole | I am using loop0 which is just 'there'... can I set up a /dev/loopX with better performance? | 01:10 |
| jott | i want a pony! | 01:10 |
| jott | i don't think so. | 01:10 |
| qole | or maybe my img file can be optimized somehow? | 01:11 |
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| jott | mmh. i assume you use ext2/3 atm? | 01:12 |
| qole | yes | 01:12 |
| qole | ext2 image file sitting on the fat32 mmc card | 01:13 |
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| malikul | soo off topic is a jetta a chick car? | 01:14 |
| qole | GA: just tested, "beating with a stick" didn't speed anything up. | 01:14 |
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| qole | matan: why do you say there should not be a measurable difference? | 01:18 |
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| qole | The jetta is a chick car. But so is a miata. | 01:22 |
| qole | I have a miata. | 01:22 |
| malikul | haha | 01:22 |
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| malikul | I just totaled my car...can trade in at vw for like 2g for parts. so I have the choice between jetta or golf | 01:23 |
| malikul | and miata is awesome for handling | 01:23 |
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| qole | seems to me that a "chick car" is better for picking up chicks anyway | 01:28 |
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| mavhc | yeah, to go shopping with them | 01:30 |
| jott | depends on which types of chicks you want to pick up i guess ;) | 01:30 |
| qole | yeah there's a whole class of girls I classify as "jeep chicks" | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 01:32 |
| malikul | hahahaahhaa | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | 4wd chicks? | 01:32 |
| qole | no jeep chicks aren't necessarilyy 4WD chicks | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | impostors! | 01:33 |
| qole | but they're more fun than Jetta chicks ;) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | depends.. | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | on ones definition of fun :) | 01:34 |
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| malikul | hey I might be a jetta "chick" soon :-( | 01:36 |
| malikul | but it is a nice car | 01:36 |
| qole | Right, you might enjoy shoe shopping, so then a Jetta chick is for you | 01:37 |
| qole | make sure you know how to use "flirty" and "strappy" in a sentence regarding footwear | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | strappy? | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | sounds perverted | 01:39 |
| malikul | haha | 01:39 |
| qole | yeah, see, that's not gonna do for a Jetta chick | 01:39 |
| malikul | what the hell is flirty foot wear? | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | feet | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | http://hosefeetstudio.com/images/nude4.jpg | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | this one qualifies | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | sfw | 01:40 |
| qole | :rollseyes: | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | could use some photoshop though | 01:41 |
| jott | quite some time ago a friend of mine had a 2nd generation jetta. we managed to drive it with 9 people in (and on) it :> | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | jott: is that legal? | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:41 |
| jott | hmm i highly doubt it :) | 01:41 |
| malikul | haha | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | any bodies in the trunk? | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:42 |
| qole | I think I'll try jffs2, it might be faster than ext2; just gotta figure out how to mount it | 01:42 |
| malikul | and yeah that def qualifies a flirty foot wear | 01:42 |
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| qole | seems to involve making a node | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | qole: on sd? better not | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's a small partition | 01:42 |
| jott | KotCzarny: haha tbh, i can't remember. we could have probably invited one more :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | and even then it's a bad ideq | 01:42 |
| jott | (or two) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | *idea | 01:42 |
| qole | sigh, is there nothing I can do to speed up the image file access? | 01:44 |
| jott | it would probably be saner to just script something with gparted to resize the main partition and add a native ext2 one :) | 01:44 |
| qole | it is at least 2x slower than a standard partition | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | qole: raid ? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:45 |
| malikul | what class of sd are you using? | 01:45 |
| malikul | that can someitmes make a sizable difference | 01:45 |
| qole | class 6 but this is for my "Easy Debian", I have no idea who will be using it | 01:45 |
| malikul | gotcha | 01:46 |
| qole | The image file (mount -o loop) is just so very very slow | 01:46 |
| jott | qole: i would look into a guided solution in repartitioning the card .. | 01:46 |
| jott | like the ubuntu installer | 01:46 |
| qole | That's my future plan, when I merge with Deblet | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | quole: add noatime ? | 01:47 |
| qole | I was just hoping there was some way to squeeze more speed out of the loop file system | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | -o loop,noatime | 01:47 |
| qole | yes, doing that already | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | make a native partition then | 01:47 |
| qole | renicing something, formatting the file differently, etc, etc | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | sds are cheap | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jetta is totally a chick car | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it doesn't make any less awesome. | 01:48 |
| qole | The General knows about strappy footwear. | 01:48 |
| jott | qole: i guess just ripping the code from the ubuntu installer shouldn't be too hard. | 01:48 |
| malikul | Qole: wasn't that picture taken by The General? | 01:49 |
| qole | Stskeeps is already developing an installer that handles partitioning of SD cards. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | malikul, between the Golf and the Jetta, it kinda comes down to whether you want 4 doors. | 01:50 |
| qole | But my project runs a fully configured Debian partition out of an image file. | 01:50 |
| qole | I just want to see if there is ANY way to make that image file faster | 01:50 |
| * Jaffa 's first car was an original 1988 Jetta. | 01:50 | |
| malikul | qole: so your project is a configured debian boot disk that runs off the SD card? | 01:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's first car was a 2003 New Beetle. . . . | 01:51 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/ are the events blank for anybody else? | 01:51 |
| jott | no upcoming events i guess :) | 01:52 |
| malikul | General: blank for me | 01:52 |
| jott | mmh no rss feed contains data. | 01:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's an IRC meeting this saturday. ;) | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 01:53 |
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| jott | yer. and bossa conference. | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | in nyc? | 01:53 |
| jott | not in rl KotCzarny :) | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | oh | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Sarah here from MobileMe Support. Unfortunately there is no work around for not being able to use unsupported browsers. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this may cause." | 01:54 |
| * jpereiran hi! | 01:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The workaround is them not using shitty UA detection. | 01:54 |
| qole | malikul: no, it chroots to the debian fs, and runs debian apps in maemo | 01:55 |
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| malikul | qole: have a website or online discription up? | 01:56 |
| Jaffa | MobileMe? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:56 |
| malikul | apple thingie right? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileme | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | What they downgraded .mac to. | 01:57 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I see. | 01:57 |
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| jott | why use it anyway GeneralAntilles ? | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, because I've been using it since it was iTools | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that email address is over half the web by now. ;) | 01:57 |
| Jaffa | Services are all the rage - didn't you see the number of (overly optimistic) Ovi references on all the OSiM/summit stuff? | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, generally speaking, it's a pretty good service | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | they've just gotten retarded recently with their UA detection. | 01:58 |
| jott | ah, the classical vendor lock-in :) | 01:58 |
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| qole | malikul: google the two words easy debian and choose the result from Internet Tablet Talk | 02:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qole, think I could talk you into syndicating that howto to http://wiki.maemo.org ? | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and when are the server upgrades going live? :( | 02:04 |
| qole | I am going to do a lot of cleanup very soon | 02:06 |
| matan | qole: You want one of those: http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/DMLoop | 02:06 |
| matan | http://marc.info/?l=linux-fsdevel&m=119986885324522&w=2 | 02:06 |
| qole | I will put the deb into extras, and the howto into the wiki | 02:06 |
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| matan | Unfortunately, I am not sure it is trivial to integrate any of those patches to maemo kernel. | 02:07 |
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| qole | DMLoop involves a new kernel. Not going to happen for my project :D | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | module? | 02:09 |
| qole | I assume from matan's response that the second one is a kernel hack too | 02:10 |
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| qole | I will gladly accept a kernel module from anyone that will give me a turbo-boosted loop fs | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| matan | Yes. The other patch changes loop to use the faster mapping that dmloop uses. | 02:11 |
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| qole | Very clear from reading both of those pages that my problems are well known | 02:13 |
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| qole | but seriously, is it possible to build a .ko module for the maemo kernel? | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:14 |
| qole | I mean, is it possible to build a ko module that will do this | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 02:14 |
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| qole | It would be great if you could insmod fastloop.ko ; mount ... -o fastloop,noatime | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:16 |
| qole | ...." if you can find someone to do it..." | 02:16 |
| * KotCzarny is busy, installing win xp | 02:16 | |
| Jaffa | This is hilarious: you can skim through to any arbitrary paragraph and find much hilarity on why the EU is the home of the antichrist and will be the seat of the rapture: http://www.raptureready.com/rr-eu.html | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any reptilians from the 7th dimension? | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember to check your chakras for reptilians | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa, it's easy, so many muslim immigrants in .eu -> terrorists -> evil | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:18 |
| Jaffa | Their FAQ is quite humourous as well: http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq203.html - the definition of a circular argument (or, an entirely logical consistent one if you accept the premise running throughout: "the Bible is literally true [in the bits we quote]" | 02:19 |
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| Jaffa | KotCzarny: heh | 02:19 |
| Jaredu | ok guys | 02:19 |
| Jaredu | i have a bad problem | 02:19 |
| Jaredu | and one is simple to fix | 02:19 |
| Jaredu | i think | 02:19 |
| Jaredu | first off | 02:20 |
| Jaredu | i cant access /home/user/ | 02:20 |
| Jaredu | says permission denied, even in root | 02:20 |
| Jaredu | secondly | 02:20 |
| Jaredu | xulrunner that i have installed doesnt work (its broken .91b) and fennec browser wont work | 02:20 |
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| Jaredu | so im using buildbot but i cant access the directory or figure out how | 02:20 |
| Jaredu | i have it in my documents folder on the device | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | what have you done to end up in this state? | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | so i think thats /home/user/Documents/xulrunner.tar.bz | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | hmm? | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | i tried installing fennec and it didnt work | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | i checked the log from terminal trying to reinstall | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | about that /home/user/ case | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | and it said that it cant be configured | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | hmm? | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | /home/user gives me permission denied | 02:21 |
| Jaredu | even as root | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | ls -l /home | 02:22 |
| Jaredu | ? | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | what's the output | 02:22 |
| jott | qole: the "only" problem would probably be renaming some exported functions and using a different blockdev major to avoid conflicts with the compiled in loop device.. | 02:22 |
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| Jaredu | drwxr-x--- 41 user users 0 sept 25 17:11 user | 02:23 |
| Jaredu | makes no sense to me? o.O | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | well, root should have access to it anyway | 02:24 |
| Jaredu | it doesnt :( | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | are you sure it's root ? | 02:24 |
| Jaredu | i used sudo gainroot | 02:25 |
| qole | just checked; no loop.ko file, so its all compiled-in | 02:25 |
| qole | jott: if you made such a module, i could use it! | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | qole: lsmod |grep loop ? | 02:26 |
| Jaredu | :( | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: hum, i don't know, maybe gainroot is flunky | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | do you have sshd installed? | 02:26 |
| Jaredu | any programs for gaining root? | 02:26 |
| Jaredu | sshd? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:26 |
| Jaredu | sec | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | may be openssh metapackage | 02:26 |
| qole | KotCzarny: returns nothing | 02:27 |
| matan | The fastloop patch also changes another part of the kernel (lib/prio_tree.c) which is compiled in, so there is more work there if you don't want to replace the kernel. | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | it would allow you to login as root | 02:27 |
| Jaredu | apt-get install sshd doesnt give me anything | 02:27 |
| Jaredu | cant find package | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: openssh | 02:27 |
| Jaredu | ah | 02:27 |
| Jaredu | installing | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | one sec | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | i had intended to set this up eventually xD | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | ok | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | i set my root pass | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | its creating the ssh1 key | 02:28 |
| Jaredu | how would this help? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | it would allow you to login as root | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | how so ? | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | ssh root@localhost | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | ah | 02:29 |
| qole | gonna need to reboot, my 'find' turned up a bunch of I/O errors in files :( | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | ok | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | do you use frennec? | 02:29 |
| Jaredu | fennec* | 02:29 |
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| Jaredu | the new mozilla browser thats 6x as fast as microb | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still slow and crashy. | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not worth installing. | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | >.< | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's only 6x as fast in some js stuff. | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | ah | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | well | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | goodenough | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | id like to give it a shot | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | :P | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | at least have the option heh | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and only because it's based on a newer Firefox release than MicroB. | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which will change soon enough. | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | on top of that my xulrunner doesn't work anyway | 02:30 |
| Jaredu | i have .9.1b which is broken | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | i have the buildbot for .9.5b | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | but i couldnt untar it :P | 02:31 |
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| Jaffa | UI on fennec is really slow; and form entry didn't work on the version I used last week | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | uh oh | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | crap! | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | ok: | 02:31 |
| Jaredu | creating ssh2 dsa key; this may take some time ... | 02:32 |
| Jaredu | restarting openBSD secure shell server: sshd | 02:32 |
| Jaredu | setting up openssh (1:4.7p1-12.maemo2) ... | 02:32 |
| Jaredu | errors were encountered while processing: xulrunner | 02:32 |
| Jaredu | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | gotta love dpkg | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | >.< | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | what's it do o.o | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | one failed package and the whole sys is b0rken | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | so... i need to flash it? | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | try removing xulrunner | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | it wont let me | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | it fails | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | :( | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | unable to uninstall xulrunner | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | forcibly? | 02:33 |
| Jaredu | how do i do that o.O | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | --force-all ? | 02:34 |
| Jaredu | i tried both application manager and apt-get remove xulrunner | 02:34 |
| Jaredu | where do i add --force-all? | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | to dpkg i think | 02:34 |
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| Jaredu | so what would the command be for xulrunner? | 02:35 |
| Jaredu | ive never used dpkg | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg --remove ? | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | try --help | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:36 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 02:37 |
| Jaredu | it would be dpkg -r -force-all xulrunner | 02:37 |
| Jaredu | tried that but it gave no output | 02:37 |
| Jaredu | maybe its gone? | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 02:37 |
| Jaredu | how do i check o.O | 02:38 |
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| KotCzarny | dpkg -l or -q ? | 02:38 |
| Jaredu | crap | 02:38 |
| Jaredu | -l its on the list | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | but may be in uninstalled state | 02:38 |
| Jaredu | rF xulrunner 1.9.1b1pre-200 | 02:38 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | you may try --purge | 02:39 |
| Jaredu | on dpkg -r -force-all --purge xulrunner? | 02:39 |
| Jaredu | or dpkg --purge xulrunner | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | second | 02:39 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 02:40 |
| Jaredu | its dpkg --purge xulrunner | 02:40 |
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| Jaredu | removing xulrunner .... segmentation fault dpkg: error processing xulrunner (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 139 errors were encountered while processing: xulrunner | 02:40 |
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| Jaredu | crap? | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | ughhhhh | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | ill bbiab | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | need to eat | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | how much you would like to learn about fixing os :) | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | um | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | id like to flash the device? | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | i already installed and took off android :P | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | apparently that xulrunner installation broken sys badly | 02:41 |
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| Jaredu | :( | 02:41 |
| Jaredu | ill bbiab | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | ill fix it | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | idc if i lose data | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | i got a 4gb card w/ it all backed up | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | i can format it though yes? :) | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | kk | 02:42 |
| Jaredu | bbiab | 02:42 |
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| * lcuk smiles | 02:46 | |
| lcuk | then winces, god this hurts! | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | another fall? | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | What'd you have, a root canal? | 02:46 |
| lcuk | heh, no worse - was at the dentist | 02:46 |
| lcuk | no, i think he hollowed out my entire jawbone | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | could be worse | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. | 02:47 |
| * lcuk needs to get implants | 02:47 | |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 02:47 |
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| lcuk | not yet of course, but it might be required soon | 02:48 |
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| KotCzarny | the soup | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:49 |
| lcuk | hows KotCzarny this evening? | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | installing xp | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | gotta sell some thinkpads from my stable | 02:50 |
| lcuk | boo hiss | 02:51 |
| lcuk | not your normal boxen i hope? | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | well | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | i have moved from x32 to x40 | 02:51 |
| lcuk | ? http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/launch/x-40-smv-hang2m.jpg :D | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | well | 02:53 |
| lcuk | cats in space! | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | that's boeing | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | not thinkpad | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:53 |
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| lcuk | thats just bein a spoilsport :P | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | mrr | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 02:55 |
| lcuk | NIT went from fullbattery to dead in 4 hours - i caught it just as it was goin off, and i had disabled the net | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | cpu usage? | 02:56 |
| Jaffa | doh | 02:56 |
| lcuk | must be somethin | 02:56 |
| * Jaffa *really* should go to sleep; but is too tired to get ready for bed, and has wikipedia open | 02:57 | |
| lcuk | evenin jaffa - odd time to see you around | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evil wikipedia | 02:57 |
| lcuk | depends what you are reading to the level of evilness | 02:58 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, has your beagle recovered yet? | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:59 |
| Navi | Damn that Wikipedia | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I tried another round the other night | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | without success | 03:00 |
| Navi | I murdered GeneralAntilles's beagle's mother | 03:00 |
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| * Jaffa must start working through a Clutter tutorial this weekend to see if his grand plan of a killer Maemo 5 app will be doable | 03:00 | |
| lcuk | balls, thats really unfortunate | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need help from somebody who knows better what they're doing | 03:00 |
| Navi | It's so shocked that it ceases to function | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they don't want to help. | 03:00 |
| Navi | Jaffa: woo, killer apps | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imma try with a different card next week. | 03:00 |
| * lcuk hopes he has a killer app :) | 03:01 | |
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| Jaffa | Navi: well, handy more than killer. Hopefully pretty, too | 03:01 |
| Navi | Jaffa: personally, I'm not all too fond of the GObject stuff | 03:01 |
| * lcuk ticks boxes for useful and speedy and fun and creating data and technology :) | 03:02 | |
| Navi | lcuk: lies | 03:02 |
| lcuk | :O | 03:02 |
| * lcuk slaps navi with a kinetic hand | 03:02 | |
| Navi | Jaffa: but at least they have python bindings. I'm much too lazy to do anything else \o/ | 03:02 |
| Jaffa | Navi: indeed; my playing with Vala, and discussions on #vala shows you can quite rapidly reach the point where you realise it's not *real* OO | 03:03 |
| Navi | Hehe | 03:03 |
| * Jaffa may well do this app in Python, even though it's not my "preferred" language. | 03:03 | |
| Jaffa | Will see when the SDK gets out | 03:03 |
| lcuk | jaffa, the author of vala was at the summit you know | 03:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: was he? interesting | 03:04 |
| Navi | A lot of people were there, apparently | 03:04 |
| lcuk | or at least i was introduced to him the day after :) i think i saw him floating around before | 03:04 |
| Jaffa | :) | 03:04 |
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| Jaffa | It's an interesting idea and shows promise; tooling needs a lot of work, but Valable's shaping up a bit. Some of the design decisions aren't ones I entirely agree with - but they're valuing C interoperability higher than I would. | 03:05 |
| jott | well he idles here in the channel :) | 03:05 |
| Jaffa | indeed | 03:05 |
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| jott | is it easier nowadays to run c code in vala? (like without big binding mess)? | 03:06 |
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| lcuk | hi qole | 03:06 |
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| * lcuk waves binary | 03:06 | |
| Jaffa | jott: dunno | 03:06 |
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| jott | being restricted to gobject and some selected libs is a bit unfortunate ... | 03:07 |
| * Navi nods | 03:07 | |
| Navi | Jaffa: what are you planning on, anyways? | 03:08 |
| lcuk | but cant you construct bindings for anything? | 03:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: you can | 03:08 |
| jott | lcuk: well if you put 2-10 extra hours of work in it.. | 03:08 |
| lcuk | then its not restricted, merely immature. the tooling will come with age | 03:08 |
| Jaffa | Navi: nothing that exciting; still wishing for a variation of EPOC's Jotter | 03:08 |
| lcuk | it shows promise | 03:08 |
| jott | well, as an application developer you are restricted... | 03:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed (on both counts). I added code complete, incremental building and some other tooling necessetities to Valable | 03:09 |
| lcuk | you mentioned this before jaffa :) | 03:09 |
| Jaffa | aye | 03:09 |
| * Jaffa sleep now | 03:09 | |
| lcuk | gnite dude | 03:09 |
| Navi | Jaffa: night | 03:10 |
| * jott silently injects caffeine into jaffa | 03:10 | |
| jott | good night :) | 03:10 |
| Navi | Ha | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 03:10 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "maemo.org improvement meeting in #maemo-meeting 9/27 @ 19:00 UTC | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/" | 03:11 | |
| * lcuk ponders threading for loading sketches | 03:11 | |
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| * jott deadlocks lcuk with a broken semaphore | 03:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary wants an agenda | 03:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have any good plans. | 03:12 | |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles: I can make one for you. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe we can take tim's new Community pages live, though. | 03:13 |
| lcuk | lol jott - i tweaked the algo yesterday and it lazy loads sketches one per frame until complete - so now when i go kinetic i catch up with the cat faster | 03:13 |
| lcuk | it used to load 4 per frame so was faster but kinetic was more sluggish while loading | 03:13 |
| jott | but yes threading is the way to go for loading many objects in a gui app. | 03:16 |
| lcuk | yes indeed | 03:17 |
| lcuk | for now it will suffice, but i know i will have to soon | 03:17 |
| * lcuk tosses a coin | 03:17 | |
| jott | heh. you should integrate a todo list in liqbase :) | 03:17 |
| jott | would be funny to thread sketches as todos | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | and online server to post 'feature requests/bugs' as sketches too | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:18 |
| lcuk | todo items will simply be tagged as such, no specific need - i write on everything i think about then browse and review often | 03:18 |
| jott | lcuk: yeah that's what i thought, just add some progress slider to it ;) | 03:18 |
| lcuk | progress? as in progress where loading is upto? | 03:19 |
| jott | no for todo sketches :) | 03:19 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, :) online server will come | 03:19 |
| qole | lcuk: am I going to get to try your beta? | 03:19 |
| lcuk | ahh lol - yeah | 03:19 |
| lcuk | yes qole, im considering how to let you all get access without getting sidetracked | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | 'you have successfully activated you copy of Windows.' | 03:20 |
| lcuk | and im scared to update to svn i dont wanna break it | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make a new branch. | 03:20 |
| qole | yikes, just saw the time, gotta get my bike togs on and go home... | 03:21 |
| lcuk | well thats not really feasible is it | 03:21 |
| lcuk | cos of the folder structure i chose initially - i have no trunk or anything | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just move everything 1 level down. | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | tomorrow night when im not in pain ill try and get svn back on the machine | 03:22 |
| lcuk | ./kcup.sh has survived reinstallation :) | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | why shouldn't it | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:23 |
| lcuk | exactly - it survived when other lesser apps didnt ;) | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3596691272.html | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | What an odd number | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | "42% by 2013" | 03:24 |
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| Navi | probably based the number on the exponential netbook adoption rate | 03:26 |
| Jaredu | ok | 03:26 |
| Jaredu | i need to format my n810 | 03:26 |
| Jaredu | because xulrunner screwed the os up | 03:26 |
| lcuk | unfortunate | 03:26 |
| Jaredu | how would i go about doing that | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 03:26 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:26 |
| Jaredu | this will fix all errors? | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 03:26 |
| lcuk | just backup your important data | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | it will make your n810 virgin | 03:27 |
| Jaredu | excellent | 03:27 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles: that article is full of fail | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, feel free to make it "better". | 03:28 |
| Jaredu | hmm? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It _is_ a wiki. | 03:28 |
| lcuk | but first, navi - whats wrong with it? | 03:28 |
| lcuk | and discussion is just as important as changing at first whim | 03:29 |
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| Navi | I wasn't talking about the wiki page | 03:31 |
| Navi | I was talking about the linuxdevices.com article | 03:31 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: with the adoption rate -> old statistics trick - don't use round numbers to sound more precise :) | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:32 |
| Jaredu | also | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, well, duh. :P | 03:32 |
| lcuk | yer navi it was a bit bleugh | 03:32 |
| Jaredu | is it bad that sometimes my tablet goes to 38 degrees celcius? :P | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had to correct them about the N900 using OMAP35x | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | they still haven't fixed it. | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: normal | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | its hotter than my quad cores O_O | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | mmk | 03:33 |
| lcuk | Jaredu, :) it is a quad core | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | mine goes to ~45 sometimes | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | ah | 03:33 |
| lcuk | shame we only ever use at most 2 of them | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | usually under full load + wifi | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | heh | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: your quad cored have fan and radiator on themj | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | my quad core runs at 32 degrees c :( | 03:33 |
| Jaredu | true | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | what is it? | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | is what? | 03:34 |
| lcuk | and are you sure the temp sensor is fitted correctly :D | 03:34 |
| Jaredu | heh | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | although my pentium-m runs at ~35C without fan | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Psh | 03:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles is at 65°C at the moment. | 03:35 | |
| KotCzarny | 39C now when browsing web and listening to music | 03:35 |
| Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: im at the tablet dev site | 03:36 |
| Jaredu | i just download the diablo version to flash or how do i do it o.O | 03:36 |
| lcuk | i nearly fried my 810 one night recently - i left it in my cradle charging with a book ontop :S it worried me cos it was v hot | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | it shouldn't | 03:37 |
| lcuk | Jaredu, are you using linux | 03:37 |
| Jaredu | unfortunately at the moment no | 03:37 |
| Jaredu | am on vista 64bit | 03:37 |
| Jaredu | >.< | 03:37 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, my wooden crate has no airholes - and the book ontop | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, read the article I linked. | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | drill then? | 03:37 |
| lcuk | its ok, im on 32bit xp ;) | 03:37 |
| lcuk | thinking so | 03:37 |
| Jaredu | my wifi doesnt work on linux @tm due to nonsupported wifi drivers for my wifi N usb | 03:37 |
| lcuk | but i dont normally leave it covered | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | just take nit out beforehand | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:38 |
| Jaredu | ah ok | 03:38 |
| Jaredu | i just use the wizard then | 03:38 |
| Jaredu | ive done this before :D | 03:38 |
| Jaredu | now to find the stupid usb cable.. | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: get usb wifi as a backup? | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | heh - i needed it left charging and available in the daytime, but i never leave it out on the surface cos knowing my luck something would drop on it | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I doubt very much that it would've fried it. | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but battery would die faster | 03:39 |
| lcuk | yer gen i would hope so, but it felt wrong anyways | 03:39 |
| Jaredu | i got usb wifi | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | because of temp | 03:39 |
| Jaredu | and i do 3d modelling alot along with photoshop | 03:39 |
| Jaredu | unfortunately 3ds max doesnt support linux | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | li-ion doesn't like hihj temps | 03:39 |
| Jaredu | and i have to use it for college :( | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | *high | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: wine ? | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3ds max sucks | 03:39 |
| Jaredu | too laggy | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 03:39 |
| Navi | 3ds max doesn't run very well under wine | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | *shrugs* | 03:40 |
| lcuk | mmmm wine | 03:40 |
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| Jaredu | ah crap | 03:40 |
| lcuk | where was the rest of eletrunko logged into? were his legs in one chan? | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haaar | 03:40 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:41 |
| lcuk | ok, back to bed for me | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 03:41 |
| lcuk | gnite chaps | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:41 |
| Jaredu | 123 mb O_O | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, same size it was last time. | 03:42 |
| Jaredu | any clue as to when the n900s will be coming out/cost? | 03:42 |
| Jaredu | i know | 03:42 |
| Jaredu | but it was a pain xD | 03:42 |
| lcuk | :D i am tagged on flickr | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Q2-Q3 2009 | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | had to do it twice cause the battery was barely charged lol | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | ah | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$400-$600 | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | ./can wait for price drop xD | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | i still need to sell my sony mylo 2 | 03:43 |
| Jaredu | heh | 03:43 |
| jott | lcuk: http://flickr.com/photos/funkygeek/1465307245/ ? :P | 03:43 |
| lcuk | :D hahahaha | 03:43 |
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| Jaredu | any pics of the n900? | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| * Jaredu likes that car. | 03:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, there aren't even prototypes yet. | 03:44 |
| jott | lcuk: hmm http://flickr.com/photos/16523930@N00/378601193/ :P | 03:44 |
| Jaredu | ah ok | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haaa | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's a nice blouse you've got there. | 03:44 |
| Jaredu | wow wtf | 03:45 |
| Jaredu | ready to update your device software from: | 03:45 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:45 |
| Jaredu | diablo_4.2008.30-2 | 03:45 |
| Jaredu | to | 03:45 |
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| Jaredu | Diablo_4.2008.23-14(latest) | 03:45 |
| Jaredu | do i have a beta or something? O_O | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't a FIASCO image out for the first SSU release. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 03:46 |
| infobot | ssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 03:46 |
| Jaredu | note: you are downgrading to an older version | 03:46 |
| Jaredu | wtf | 03:46 |
| Jaredu | how did i get a newer version | 03:46 |
| Jaredu | than the latest | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | just old flash image | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | and no later upgrades in flash image format | 03:46 |
| lcuk | nothe full flash image was released -23.14 - then after that you have had SSU updates | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | only .debs | 03:46 |
| Jaredu | ah ok | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, read the link. | 03:47 |
| Jaredu | ah drat :( | 03:47 |
| Jaredu | doesnt give the option to download and then use the file | 03:47 |
| Jaredu | its all auto w/ updater :( | 03:47 |
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| lcuk | it would ease users confusions if ssu was rolled into the full flash | 03:47 |
| Jaredu | //was already at 25% | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what do you mean? | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., SSU updates would also be provided with a FIASCO image? | 03:48 |
| lcuk | well like now, this guy thinks hes downgradin | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's the plan. | 03:48 |
| Jaredu | :( | 03:48 |
| lcuk | :) didnt think otherwise | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia just pushed 30-2 out early to fix the Modest battery life issue. | 03:48 |
| Jaredu | heh | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it didn't get the full treatment. | 03:48 |
| jott | yeah having fiasco images in sync with ssu would make sense :) | 03:48 |
| Jaredu | i had 9 hours of continious battery life my first day | 03:48 |
| Jaredu | full day of web/installing/etc | 03:48 |
| lcuk | cool, thanks for the info immortal leader of the community \o/ | 03:48 |
| Jaredu | 9 solid hours | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | immoral? | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | it lasts at least 7.5 a day now | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | continious use xD | 03:49 |
| lcuk | Jaredu, alter your screen brightness and you could get more | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | i know | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | it was at 3/5 | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | though i must say im impressed | 03:49 |
| lcuk | thats my normal - 4 and 5 really kill life | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | due to the fact that the box states 4hrs | 03:49 |
| Jaredu | :D | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Advanced Backlight | 03:50 |
| lcuk | ahem, i must collar rm and jott soon on that score actually | 03:50 |
| lcuk | theres a bug somewhere | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug? | 03:51 |
| lcuk | yer | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Care to file a report? :P | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | he prefers personal reporting | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | via threatening | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:51 |
| Jaredu | advanced backlighting was nice :P | 03:51 |
| lcuk | after a period (i think its reboot) i notice the screen is too dark, so i open adv back light and it says "brightness 100" but only when i click it does the brightness actually increase | 03:51 |
| Jaredu | i had almost everything on my tablet that was useful lol | 03:51 |
| Jaredu | :P | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably reboot | 03:52 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 03:52 |
| Jaredu | ill bbiab | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was supposedly fixed a few versions ago | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, probably dimming is brighter than full bright | 03:52 |
| Jaredu | 23 mins till dl is finished | 03:52 |
| lcuk | yer, its a bit strange - ive noticed it a few times now | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~dimming is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ | 03:53 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install that. | 03:53 |
| lcuk | never anything concrete and ive had other things on mind | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | i think there is an option to go directly to off | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | instead of 'dimming' | 03:53 |
| bef0rd | lcuk, I think its related with the 'built in' bright applet setting, try checking what is the current value in that, I'm pretty sure it will be the lowest level | 03:53 |
| lcuk | yer, if dim and off are both same it goes directly off immediately | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | dsme is going open | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it'll be a lot easier for us to hook into some of the lame dimming logic and such | 03:54 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, ahhh, thats a possibility ill have a look, thanks | 03:54 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: unfortunately the brightness stuff will be moved into mce :p | 03:54 |
| jott | (which stays closed) | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:54 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, you are right. brightness from control panel/display is marked as notch 1/5 | 03:54 |
| jott | and the leaked mce version probably imply some legal trouble... | 03:55 |
| lcuk | abl is on 100 | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, dsme is just gonna be a bunch of calls to mce's closed code. | 03:55 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yep. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | jott, wheres bugtrack thing for your abl? | 03:55 |
| lcuk | ill make a proper note of the observations | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, we're gonna be using b.m.o soon. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, uh, guenther is being really lazy about the templates. | 03:55 |
| jott | but brightness handling will be moved to mce :/ | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, dsme may actually include mce. | 03:56 |
| jott | so not much to patch in dsme :/ | 03:56 |
| jott | no | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | so what gets open in effect? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | would be nice to get userspace access to cpufreq as well ;) | 03:56 |
| jott | mce stays separate. gets more functions and remains closed. | 03:56 |
| jott | (that's the info i got from the dsme/mce devs at least :) | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, sarcasm or for truths you got from the Summit? :P | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, for serious? | 03:56 |
| jott | yes :( | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's such fucking bullshit. | 03:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles may have to do a write-up on that one. | 03:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Token open sourcing | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | that's really awesome. | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, basically, Nokia shouldn't get any credit at all for open sourcing dsme? | 03:57 |
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| jott | well more of the hardware related abstraction goes to mce.. | 03:58 |
| jott | maybe some mce stuff makes it into dsme.. | 03:58 |
| jott | still f*cked up.. | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna pitch a fit whenever the code hits Garage and turns out to be nothing. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what the logic behind that could possibly be. | 03:59 |
| jott | and the devs already had to fight for dsme being opened... | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if it's just for earning brownie points with the community with some token open sourcing then everybody needs to know. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a let down. | 04:00 |
| jott | yeah. you can imagine rm_you and my disappointment when we talked to the dev... | 04:00 |
| jott | i mean he was open for suggestions and adding some stuff to mce. | 04:00 |
| jott | but in the end i doubt it will get into any release.. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soft poweroff still hasn't been fixed. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 months later. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, they are gonna have another thing coming if they think they can pull shit like that and get kudos for it. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | This differentiation nonsense is really killing us. | 04:04 |
| jott | i mean design-wise it makes sense to move the stuff to mce but it's still a big let down | 04:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to go eviscerate all the retarded MBAs over at Nokia. | 04:05 |
| jott | yeah well and mce is not even remotely a gui part.. :/ | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What was the other thing on the slide? | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | "power management" | 04:05 |
| jott | yer bme .. | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man | 04:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles is pissed off now. | 04:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Tick tock, Nokia. | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Release the code so we can destroy you. | 04:06 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/2884900465/ :P | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should caption Quim | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Onwards! To adventure!" | 04:12 |
| lcuk | someone should photoshop FSM on the projection | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | in place of the shadow? | 04:15 |
| Jaredu | ok | 04:15 |
| Jaredu | back | 04:15 |
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| Jaredu | wow | 04:19 |
| Jaredu | yay | 04:19 |
| Jaredu | DUN works now | 04:19 |
| Jaredu | sweet | 04:19 |
| Jaredu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | 04:21 |
| Jaredu | oops | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | fail. | 04:21 |
| Jaredu | sorry | 04:21 |
| Jaredu | was laying on keyboard setting up clock on tablet lol | 04:21 |
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| lcuk | heh, thats not fail its full of plus | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | full of prius | 04:31 |
| Jaredu | lol | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | ouchy | 04:32 |
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| Jaredu | what is the recommended root application other than ssh | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 04:33 |
| infobot | root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 04:33 |
| infobot | methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 04:33 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 04:34 |
| Jaredu | all my repositories are gone O_O | 04:34 |
| Jaredu | www.gronmayer.com/it/ good? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | i just use extras | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer == evil | 04:35 |
| Jaredu | why o.O? | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | mess | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | >.< | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | unchecked mess | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | useful though? | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 04:36 |
| lcuk | cos if you use the maemo extras repo - you know the apps you install will be there forever :) | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | herh | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | heh | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | if you seek one particular package | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer == broken device | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | O_O | 04:36 |
| Jaredu | crap | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | lol | 04:37 |
| lcuk | gronmayer, solution to something which is no longer required for 2008 :) | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | crap lol | 04:37 |
| lcuk | i would gather its still useful for the older oses | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | heh | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | anyway to reset to default repositories then | 04:37 |
| Jaredu | cause i just installed them all lol | 04:38 |
| lcuk | you have a kittery keyboard | 04:38 |
| Jaredu | kittery? | 04:38 |
| lcuk | nice | 04:38 |
| lcuk | jittery | 04:38 |
| Jaredu | heh | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | |> Wo bist du - Rammstein (Rosenrot) | 04:38 |
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| LiraNuna | lo there | 04:39 |
| Jaredu | yo | 04:39 |
| Jaredu | lcuk: any way i can restore default repo's | 04:40 |
| Jaredu | ? | 04:40 |
| LiraNuna | is there a way to run GNOME on N810? | 04:40 |
| Jaredu | yes, kinda | 04:40 |
| LiraNuna | I saw XFCE on it | 04:40 |
| LiraNuna | I'd love nautilus/gedit on it though | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | you have only 128mb of ram | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~deblet | 04:40 |
| infobot | deblet is, like, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 04:40 |
| lcuk | Jaredu, im not the best to ask, but i would gather you can do a bulk cleanup by editing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | most of which is already taken by few hogs | 04:41 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, is that right ^ ? | 04:41 |
| LiraNuna | I know deblet | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | well, he can simply uncheck them | 04:41 |
| lcuk | one by one | 04:41 |
| lcuk | wants em gone | 04:41 |
| LiraNuna | oh my, I missed that one -> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/nit-env-gnome-basic.png | 04:41 |
| jott | yeah "uncheck" by "dd" :) | 04:41 |
| lcuk | :D | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | shroot isnt on my list | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | odd | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | wait | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | it was rootsh | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | lol | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | sec | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | haha | 04:42 |
| Jaredu | ./retarded | 04:42 |
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| LiraNuna | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF1.jpg | 04:44 |
| LiraNuna | is that epiphany? | 04:44 |
| Jaredu | xfce | 04:44 |
| Jaredu | actually | 04:44 |
| Jaredu | :P | 04:44 |
| LiraNuna | the browser. | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Epiphany is a web browser. . . . | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's Epiphany. | 04:44 |
| Jaredu | ah lol | 04:44 |
| LiraNuna | I'd love to give webkit epiphany a try | 04:45 |
| LiraNuna | especially on the n810 | 04:45 |
| evaryont | Is there a program that'll display slides from a .ppt file? | 04:45 |
| LiraNuna | OpenOffice? :D | 04:45 |
| evaryont | LiraNuna: does that run smoothly on a n800 :) | 04:45 |
| LiraNuna | no idea :D | 04:45 |
| Jaredu | openoffice is slow O_O | 04:46 |
| evaryont | heh | 04:46 |
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| Jaredu | takes forever to load lol | 04:46 |
| Jaredu | but it can work | 04:46 |
| evaryont | Jaredu: any alts? I don't need editing - just viewing | 04:46 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 04:46 |
| Jaredu | maybe google docs? | 04:46 |
| Jaredu | i dunno if they do ppt | 04:46 |
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| evaryont | they do. but it's google :S | 04:47 |
| Mek | kpresenter :P also a bit slot though (and uses quite some disk space), and I'm not sure how well the ppt import filter is | 04:47 |
| Jaredu | lol | 04:47 |
| evaryont | plus, I'm not allowed to put these ppts online (crazy rules...) | 04:47 |
| jott | convert them to pdf? :) | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | fireup ppt and save slides as jpgs ? | 04:47 |
| jott | on the desktop... | 04:48 |
| jott | yeah or pngs. | 04:48 |
| evaryont | pngs > jpgs imo :P | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | depends on content | 04:48 |
| evaryont | anw, that seems like the best way. | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:48 |
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| evaryont | on the linux desktop, is there a ppt->txt converter? | 04:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i think i saw one | 04:49 |
| evaryont | KotCzarny: perhaps you remember it's name? :) | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | looking | 04:50 |
| evaryont | thanks :) | 04:50 |
| jott | there is ppthtml | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | catdoc ? | 04:50 |
| Jaredu | anyone know an ssh client for windows so i can view my desktop on tablet or how to setup putty to do so? :) | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new VGBA is way faster. | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | jaredu: vnc | 04:50 |
| Jaredu | 80% isnt playable imo | 04:50 |
| evaryont | Jaredu: look into vnc | 04:50 |
| Jaredu | vnc eh? | 04:51 |
| Jaredu | pay or no? | 04:51 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: thanks to direct framebuffer rendering :) | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | evaryont: http://ftp.wagner.pp.ru/~vitus/software/catdoc/ | 04:51 |
| evaryont | KotCzarny: arch has a pkg for it :) | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upscaling got a lot uglier, though. | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | then you should get catppt command | 04:51 |
| evaryont | time to set up a quick shell script... | 04:51 |
| evaryont | convert each ppt to a series of pngs + a big ol' text file :D | 04:51 |
| jott | hm does catdoc support ppt?! | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | jott: it has few subcommands | 04:52 |
| jott | ah | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | xls2csv for example | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:53 |
| evaryont | :) | 04:53 |
| evaryont | catdoc++ \o/ | 04:53 |
| evaryont | though I haven't found a pkg for Arch that does ppt-><img format of choice> | 04:53 |
| jott | evaryont: openoffice? :) | 04:53 |
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| evaryont | jott: I don't really want to load it just to convert a file. Also, I don't know if it's scriptable | 04:54 |
| jott | it is | 04:54 |
| jott | even without launching the main gui | 04:54 |
| LiraNuna | can deblet do skype? | 04:54 |
| evaryont | hmm | 04:55 |
| evaryont | jott: I'll look into it. Thanks :) | 04:55 |
| Jaredu | wtf! | 04:55 |
| LiraNuna | I see the .install file is just text | 04:55 |
| Jaredu | i ssh'ed into my tablet as root@localhost and /home is still no permissions | 04:55 |
| Jaredu | what the heck | 04:55 |
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| Jaredu | wtf.. | 04:56 |
| jott | evaryont: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=7796 | 04:58 |
| jott | something like this | 04:58 |
| evaryont | jott: thanks! | 05:01 |
| jott | i guess it's some sort of OOo faq judging from the google results :) | 05:01 |
| evaryont | :) | 05:02 |
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| evaryont | jott: do you mind being tech support? Given file "a_presentation.ppt", how would I run that script? I know I'd have to pass -headless, but that's about it :S | 05:16 |
| jott | http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html maybe this will help? | 05:16 |
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| evaryont | jott: it just might :) | 05:18 |
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| evaryont | jott: he he, links to links, found 'unoconv'...and there's a pkg for that! :) | 05:28 |
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| gregorovius | evaryont: arch is great | 05:40 |
| gregorovius | there's always a package | 05:40 |
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| Jaredu | alright | 05:48 |
| Jaredu | i got it to untar and crap | 05:48 |
| Jaredu | now i need to try installing fennec again | 05:48 |
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| evaryont | gregorovius: heh | 05:55 |
| evaryont | Jaredu: hope it goes well. | 05:56 |
| Jaredu | hasnt so far | 05:56 |
| Jaredu | stupid stupid stupid >.< | 05:56 |
| Jaredu | same freakin' think | 05:56 |
| Jaredu | thing | 05:57 |
| Jaredu | HAH | 05:58 |
| Jaredu | i made it work xD | 05:58 |
| Jaredu | it looks um | 05:59 |
| Jaredu | strange | 05:59 |
| Jaredu | lol | 05:59 |
| Jaredu | that took alot of tinkering | 06:00 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:00 |
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| Jaredu | ugh | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | didn't take long? | 06:05 |
| Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: how did you get fennec working at all? | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just install it | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | but, seriously, it's not worth the trouble right now. | 06:06 |
| Jaredu | it wont run | 06:06 |
| Jaredu | xulrunner is broken >.< | 06:06 |
| Jaredu | i can do fennec in terminal and it'll run | 06:07 |
| Jaredu | but its screwey | 06:07 |
| Jaredu | the tabs form an L shape in the top left | 06:07 |
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| Jaredu | hmm | 06:18 |
| Jaredu | how do i use openssh xD | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | ... | 06:18 |
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| KotCzarny | ssh user@host | 06:18 |
| Jaredu | mmk | 06:18 |
| Jaredu | host = ip user=? | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | ip or domain | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | user is a user you want to log as | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | root, user, jaredu | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | whatever is in /etc/passwd and enabled to login | 06:19 |
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| Jaredu | hmm | 06:21 |
| Jaredu | connection refused | 06:21 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | have you installed openssh after reflash? | 06:21 |
| Jaredu | yes | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | ps ax|grep sshd | 06:22 |
| Jaredu | though; xulrunner is on here again after trying to install fennec x..x | 06:22 |
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| Jaredu | sec | 06:22 |
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| Jaredu | i cant find the stupid | key on the tablet O_O | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | chr ? | 06:24 |
| Jaredu | yu | 06:24 |
| Jaredu | ty | 06:24 |
| Jaredu | ok | 06:24 |
| Jaredu | 1933 root 3180 swn /usr/sbin/sshd 2577 user 1888 RTW grep sshd | 06:25 |
| Jaredu | RW* | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | then it's running | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | check the ip | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:25 |
| Jaredu | problem is my windows machine lol | 06:26 |
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| Jaredu | ughh | 06:29 |
| Jaredu | /does not get it | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | get what? | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | vnc server properties | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | or anything on this windows crap | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | well | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | on linux it's so freaking easy | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | just leave on defaults | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | then | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | i have to set a port and crap | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | its over wifi so i have a specific ip | 06:30 |
| Jaredu | like 127.0.0.11 or something | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | 127.0.0.1 is localhost | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | virtual network | 06:31 |
| Jaredu | ok | 06:31 |
| Jaredu | so say im trying to login to that from my tablet or viceversa | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | use normal ip | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | that is on the interface | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | usually 192.168.something | 06:32 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 06:32 |
| Jaredu | connection refused | 06:32 |
| Jaredu | may be router settings | 06:32 |
| Jaredu | sec | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | most probably wrong machine | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connection refused means there's no sshd running on whatever machine you're trying to connect to. | 06:33 |
| Jaredu | ok | 06:33 |
| Jaredu | so how do i do that o.O | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | in windows: ipconfig | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | should print your ip | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | in linux: ifconfig | 06:34 |
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| KotCzarny | |> In Common Fabrics - Electric Universe (PsyShow 1) | 06:35 |
| Jaredu | i have my ip | 06:35 |
| Jaredu | 70.113.61.211 | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | that's public ip | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | yes | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | probably router's one | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | nope | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | www.whatismyip.com | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | ... | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | trust me | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | im going to have to be able to do this from school as well | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | it's ip that will router respond | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | so i need the public setup | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | ah, well | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | so you need port forwrding then | 06:36 |
| Jaredu | i have that | 06:37 |
| Jaredu | it's setup for my torrents so i know the port as well | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but do you also forward vnc/ssh/whatever you want? | 06:38 |
| Jaredu | hmm? | 06:38 |
| Jaredu | i simply set the vnc ports to the same forwarded ports im already using | 06:38 |
| Jaredu | 32xxxx | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | k | 06:38 |
| Jaredu | http://darisa.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/guillotine-toilet.jpg | 06:39 |
| Jaredu | windows makes me want to go there. | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | won't work | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | too high | 06:40 |
| Jaredu | you'd be suprised ;) | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | and too close to the wall | 06:40 |
| Jaredu | anyway | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, breakfast time | 06:40 |
| Jaredu | back to vnc crap | 06:40 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 06:42 |
| Jaredu | i tried the ip and then the port number like xx.xxx.xx.xx:32xxx | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | didnt work >.< | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | you can't try it from inside your network | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | ah | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | what port it is? | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | would i have to do local then? | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | 32459 | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | what password? | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | sec | 06:43 |
| Jaredu | testalpha | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | ==pass | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | works | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | hmm? | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | how so o.O | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | i just logged to your vnc | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | change the pass | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | see the desktop? | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 06:44 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | but closed it already | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | also it's slow | 06:45 |
| Jaredu | odd, linux prompts me :P | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | remove the wallpaper | 06:45 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | and try tightvnc | 06:45 |
| Jaredu | ah | 06:46 |
| Jaredu | sec | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | should give jpeg compression | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | which looks ugly, but is very good for slow links | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, locally you have to use local ips | 06:46 |
| Jaredu | :P | 06:46 |
| Jaredu | mmk then... lesee.. | 06:47 |
| Jaredu | on the tablet, how would i start the server? | 06:47 |
| Jaredu | so i can view it on my desktop | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:47 |
| Jaredu | ah | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | i think there is only client for nit | 06:47 |
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| Jaredu | nope | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | it might have changed since i last checked | 06:47 |
| Jaredu | openssh openssh client openssh server | 06:47 |
| Jaredu | i got all installed :D | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | vnc != ssh | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | gah | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | difference being? | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | ssh is text based | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | ah crap | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | any vnc's for nit? | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | but more powerfull | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | this could be why it wasnt working | 06:48 |
| Jaredu | heh | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:49 |
| Jaredu | rdesktop eh? | 06:49 |
| Jaredu | lesee.. | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | windowsissh | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | and also only client | 06:49 |
| bef0rd | rdesktop is just a client | 06:49 |
| Jaredu | ? | 06:49 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 06:49 |
| Jaredu | meaning | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | meaning you can view m$ desktop on nit | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | but not other way | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | ah | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | can i edit? | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | edit what? | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | like drag file etc | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | upload to site or w/e | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | basic things | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | same as in vnc | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | kk | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | ie. virtual monitor | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | k | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | you can do anything you can on usual one | 06:50 |
| Jaredu | so long as the tablet can see the pc, i dont care about viceversa | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | then just run vnc client on nit | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | and give it windoze ip | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | local when in home | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | and public when in school | 06:51 |
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| RST38h | boo. | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | bliny. | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 07:18 |
| malikul | hey kotCzarny or RST38h are you good with python by anychance? | 07:19 |
| * KotCzarny not | 07:19 | |
| KotCzarny | i prefer cats to reptilians | 07:20 |
| RST38h | nope | 07:20 |
| solmumaha | morning | 07:21 |
| RST38h | "...urgent warnings from the president and pleas from a Treasury secretary who knelt before the House speaker and appealed for her support." | 07:23 |
| RST38h | He *knelt*. That's how you know things are fucked up in the XXI century | 07:23 |
| RST38h | If money isnt loosened up, this sucker could go down, President Bush declared Thursday as he watched the $700 billion bailout package fall apart before his eyes, according to one person in the room. | 07:25 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | rst38h: link? | 07:30 |
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| KotCzarny | nvm, googled it | 07:32 |
| gregorovius | anybody has any idea when/if lightmediascanner with ogg support will be out? it's been 2 months since I got my n800 and still no dice =/ | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | greg, recompile/hack yourself? | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | then submit a patch :) | 07:33 |
| gregorovius | it'd love to, but it's out of my league atm | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | copypaste mp3 sections? | 07:34 |
| gregorovius | I think somebody would've already done it if it were so easy | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | i think all are just being lazy | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:35 |
| gregorovius | I hope canola beta 10 includes ogg support | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | i just use mplayer | 07:38 |
| gregorovius | I don't think anyone's being lazy, to be honest | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | and my playfilelist ncurses ui | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:38 |
| gregorovius | ncurses? too hacky for me :) | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | but more versatile | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:39 |
| malikul | ncurse has its roll but I usually feel it is a dev being lazy if they use it | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | i like ncurses because then i can use app over ssh | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | and on screen | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's not so trivial with graphical uis | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | that are more shiny, but less usefull | 07:42 |
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| KotCzarny | so don't underestimate text mode | 07:42 |
| malikul | haha | 07:43 |
| RST38h | KotCzarny: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bailout.html?ref=politics | 07:43 |
| malikul | ahh I cannot get os.execvp to work | 07:44 |
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| malikul | hey guys I need your help with a python script I am running. have a background python script running from init.d. The script takes in parameters and then executes a commandline program. System is debian based. I would like the program to launch the second program in its own environment. As it a completely seperate process. I am using os.execvp but i keep getting errors. command is as follows... os.execvp( 'sudo', 'sudo', 'program', | 07:56 |
| malikul | '-s', '-f', 'config.file') is that the correct format? I am getting all sorts of errors...also would you recommend using a different api instead of os.execvp? I have read the doc's and call popen don't seem to fit the bill. | 07:56 |
| * KotCzarny is not python proficient | 07:57 | |
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| malikul | aww raspberries trolling the doc's so more it is | 08:03 |
| malikul | fuck deadlines! | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | raspberries? | 08:04 |
| malikul | from the simpsons...like cussing but no so much | 08:06 |
| malikul | :-) | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, VGBA feels much snappier | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the upscaling is kinda ugly. | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | when did they update it? | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | A few hours ago. | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | ah | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | nice | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | i will have to try | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | it was terrible a few days ago O_O | 08:14 |
| Jaredu | sound was super choppy :P | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your nokia is slower than other? :P | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | *others | 08:16 |
| Jaredu | heh | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 08:16 |
| Jaredu | :P | 08:16 |
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| * bef0rd updates vgba | 08:19 | |
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| Jaredu | wow | 08:20 |
| Jaredu | im super impressed | 08:20 |
| Jaredu | like 93% speed | 08:20 |
| malikul | night all | 08:23 |
| Jaredu | i love the creator of vgba now :D | 08:24 |
| Jaredu | anyone know of any snes emus that work decently for n810? | 08:30 |
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| GAN800 | tekojo, how close are we to the new servers? | 09:26 |
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| tekojo | The pages are served from there | 09:31 |
| tekojo | But not downloads, planet and wiki :-( | 09:31 |
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| tekojo | Actually when I compare the load speeds, ssl seems to be the biggest factor slowing the system | 09:34 |
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| gomiam | tekojo: SSL is a slowdown factor? How so? What processor are you using? | 09:39 |
| gomiam | oh, sorry | 09:39 |
| gomiam | I thought this was another channel O:-) | 09:39 |
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| tekojo | No problem | 09:40 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:32 |
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| samppa | hello | 10:38 |
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| samppa | how can i develop gps program inside scratchbox, i mean how can i get some fake gps signal? | 10:39 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:42 |
| hrw | samppa: connect gps to you box? | 10:42 |
| samppa | is it easily done? | 10:42 |
| hrw | samppa: remember one simple thing - scratchbox is NOT emulator | 10:43 |
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| hrw | it is just sick tool to build software in crazy way | 10:43 |
| samppa | indeed :) | 10:43 |
| samppa | but if i dont have gps, but i still want to do gps software, is there some fakegps to provide gps data ? | 10:45 |
| hrw | no idea | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:47 |
| samppa | morning | 10:47 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 10:56 |
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| RST38h | ehlo to whoever entered | 11:06 |
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| AStorm | blah, it seems that there's no maemo-mapper for Diablo... | 11:09 |
| RST38h | mm? | 11:09 |
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| johnx | AStorm, isn't it in extras or extras-devel? | 11:09 |
| AStorm | in neither | 11:09 |
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| * RST38h did install it from somewhere | 11:10 | |
| AStorm | and to be extra sure, I did a search in redpill | 11:10 |
| johnx | and the chinook version doesn't work? | 11:10 |
| AStorm | yeah, I guess chinook install file will work | 11:10 |
| AStorm | but then, PEOPLE, fix the repos! | 11:10 |
| RST38h | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=maemo-mapper&Section=&Repo=0 | 11:10 |
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| X-Fade | gnuite made a mistake with the diablo upload. It will be fixed soon, I guess. | 11:10 |
| AStorm | gah | 11:11 |
| AStorm | bugs ;P | 11:11 |
| AStorm | what a release | 11:11 |
| AStorm | and I thought I waited long enough | 11:11 |
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| AStorm | funny part is that topomaps are in | 11:12 |
| AStorm | but not mapper | 11:12 |
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| RST38h | there are topographic maps for the mapper? | 11:13 |
| AStorm | finland, yes | 11:14 |
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| AStorm | not important for me, obviously | 11:14 |
| AStorm | "unable to download, package not found" | 11:15 |
| * AStorm screams blood | 11:15 | |
| AStorm | you *tricked* me into installing broken diablo | 11:15 |
| AStorm | I'd probably have to add chinook repos | 11:15 |
| AStorm | but that will most likely break the system | 11:15 |
| johnx | AStorm, it shouldn't | 11:16 |
| johnx | and for maemo mapper just grab the .debs for now | 11:16 |
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| AStorm | from where? gnuiite's site? | 11:17 |
| AStorm | another q: maemopad+ | 11:17 |
| johnx | first result for maemo mapper is the garage page | 11:17 |
| AStorm | which has .install files and older versions? :P | 11:17 |
| johnx | it'll work for now to tide you over :P | 11:18 |
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| AStorm | hmm, is there already that nice hacked version available? (with more efficient map storage) | 11:19 |
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| * bongo will start a new money box for the next tablet :D | 11:32 | |
| * keesj simply will try not to buy a iphone | 11:33 | |
| bongo | i don't like the iphone ;) | 11:34 |
| AStorm | hmm, it seems that my new Samsung U700 looks over USB like a standard AT modem in one mode | 11:34 |
| AStorm | but then, I couldn't connect to it with gnokii over BT | 11:34 |
| AStorm | because it doesn't recognize it | 11:34 |
| AStorm | blah | 11:34 |
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| hrw | AStorm: you have u700? | 11:47 |
| hrw | gnokii.... no comments | 11:47 |
| AStorm | hrw: sure, I do | 11:47 |
| AStorm | phonelink uses gnokii, so, yes comments | 11:47 |
| hrw | AStorm: satisfied? | 11:47 |
| AStorm | no idea yet, too new | 11:48 |
| bongo | there are pyqt4 packeges now. do pyqt4 apps work with internal input methods? | 11:48 |
| AStorm | battery seems fairly ok, but I can't test with HSDPA yet, due to lack of plan | 11:48 |
| hrw | AStorm: gnokii does not support nearly nothing other then nokias. gammu has wider support for phones but phonelink would need to be changed | 11:48 |
| AStorm | connects fine though over DUN | 11:48 |
| hrw | AStorm: does screen on standby works as a mirror? | 11:49 |
| AStorm | yes | 11:49 |
| hrw | cool | 11:49 |
| AStorm | not cool, because it kind of works as mirror not in standby | 11:49 |
| AStorm | ;P | 11:49 |
| hrw | so I will probably suggest u700 instead of lg shine for my wife | 11:49 |
| AStorm | reflects clouds | 11:49 |
| AStorm | this is actually horrible IMO ;P | 11:49 |
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| AStorm | ah, also, it does data transfer using camera protocol | 11:50 |
| AStorm | I'll check if it knows obex too | 11:51 |
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| hrw | AStorm: can you send java app to it over obex? | 11:51 |
| hrw | to get it installed | 11:51 |
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| AStorm | no idea, though I've heard its java is slightly crippled | 11:53 |
| AStorm | e.g. doesn't have bluetooth libs | 11:53 |
| AStorm | and I can see no files with n810 and obex, and there are quite a few | 11:53 |
| AStorm | (just dirs) | 11:53 |
| hrw | AStorm: I use j2me for games and simple apps | 11:53 |
| AStorm | so something is broken with obex either on n810 or that samsung ;P | 11:54 |
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| AStorm | after having problems with transfers to a f... macbook, I suspect it's obex in n810 that is flaky | 11:57 |
| RST38h | 23694 files, 922MB | 11:58 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Works like a charm with other Nokias, Windows, and Ubuntu | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Early Samsungs had problems with OBEX to an S60 phone but I hope it is not the case any more. | 12:00 |
| AStorm | it didn't work vs Mac | 12:03 |
| AStorm | at least, I had to bind 3 times | 12:04 |
| AStorm | and it broke connection semi randomly ;P | 12:04 |
| AStorm | it seems that obex is working, but doesn't show any actual *files* | 12:04 |
| AStorm | only dirs | 12:04 |
| AStorm | ehh... | 12:04 |
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| AStorm | oh well, file manager crashed *again* | 12:05 |
| AStorm | drag'n'drop is crashy | 12:05 |
| AStorm | seems to be copying | 12:08 |
| AStorm | well, this is *slow* | 12:09 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: deblet installer cfdisk complaints my every sdcard primary partition and quits? but i can run fdisk on them in pc | 12:13 |
| AStorm | eh, sending these few MB over obex from n810/sdhc to this samsung is really slow | 12:16 |
| johnx | thux, hmm? complains how? | 12:16 |
| AStorm | what was the speed again? 300 kbps? | 12:16 |
| thux | johnx: bad primary partition ends0 | 12:17 |
| johnx | thux, ah. it did that for my stuff too. I would use another tool to blank it | 12:17 |
| johnx | I think it's some vaguely questionable partitioning from the factory | 12:17 |
| thux | johnx: is one ext3 partiton enough if i make them in pc? or do i need swap? | 12:18 |
| johnx | you don't *need* swap but it's nice to have | 12:19 |
| thux | ok | 12:19 |
| johnx | I would just delete all the partitions on something else then use cfdisk to make them again | 12:19 |
| johnx | not that it matters either way | 12:19 |
| thux | ok | 12:19 |
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| aquatix | is it possible to set swap to use the external card on a n810? | 12:20 |
| aquatix | i don't want to wear out the internal flash | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | Yes - definitely if you don't mind not using the GUI. | 12:20 |
| aquatix | i don't mind :) | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | Although I don't think worrying about the internal flashing wearing out is very realistic. | 12:20 |
| Finx | any tips on establishing an ssh tunnel to N800 through usbnet? | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | aquatix: just setup your own swap file and include it in /etc/fstab | 12:21 |
| aquatix | i thought i remembered an article on it indeed | 12:21 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:21 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: sounds logical :) | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | You could probably carry on using the GUI with a symlink to the /media/mmc2 one, but YMMV | 12:21 |
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| aquatix | i don't really trust the internal flash; the FS already failed once, but that was the factory formatted one; i since formatted it myself | 12:22 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: atm, i don't use swap at all | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | fairy nuff | 12:22 |
| RST38h | well it wasn't a hw failure, just a logical format problem | 12:22 |
| * Jaffa had to reformat his internal flash for the second time after some FAT-related corruption | 12:22 | |
| aquatix | Jaffa: yeah | 12:23 |
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| aquatix | Jaffa: i'm thinking of formatting it ext2 or 3 | 12:23 |
| aquatix | and maybe adding a swap partition when i'm at it | 12:23 |
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| aquatix | would also make subversion work better i think | 12:23 |
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| aquatix | it gave some errors on checking out to fat | 12:24 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:27 |
| bongo | good morning :) | 12:28 |
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| Khertan | someone have see that ovi.com is now open ... | 12:29 |
| Khertan | ? | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | Are they relaunching ovi then? | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | N900 must be just around the corner! *cough* | 12:29 |
| thux | johnx: thanks, now cfdisk works | 12:29 |
| johnx | thux, good deal. :) | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Is ovi.com an Apple site? | 12:30 |
| RST38h | It has got the same design =) | 12:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, it's apple's attempt to sell Nokia phones | 12:30 |
| Khertan | RST38h: not possible ... i still get no error ... so i couldn't be me.com | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Ah, the Horror! | 12:30 |
| Khertan | not really nice design | 12:31 |
| johnx | Khertan, heh. I was just about to say the same thing... | 12:31 |
| Khertan | i've already contact the support to know if there is api to sync from external apps | 12:31 |
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| Khertan | like mCalendar ;) | 12:32 |
| * aquatix just created an ovi.com account | 12:32 | |
| * RST38h promises to create ovi.com account as soon as Nokia updates E70 firmware adding NGage support | 12:33 | |
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| Andy80 | hi Khertan :) | 12:42 |
| Khertan | Hi andy | 12:43 |
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| aquatix | meh, ovi.com really wants to have a nokia | 12:43 |
| aquatix | settings for similar nokia's don't seem to work on my sony ericsson m600i | 12:43 |
| Andy80 | Khertan: I was lookig at your python packager... there's something I don't understand.... a Maemo installer is available, to install it on the device.... but... I did think it was a tool to install inside Scratchbox anda package python application in .deb files... am I wrong? | 12:44 |
| Khertan | yep ... your wrong (not really ...) | 12:45 |
| Khertan | It s a tools to create packages on device | 12:45 |
| Andy80 | oh :\ | 12:45 |
| Andy80 | not what I need then.. :( | 12:46 |
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| Khertan | as you can do it with dpkg on scratchbox | 12:46 |
| Khertan | anyway ... there is also py2deb | 12:46 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:46 |
| Khertan | which can create source package to upload it to extras builder | 12:46 |
| Khertan | and works too on scratchbox | 12:46 |
| Andy80 | you mean this one: http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb ? | 12:47 |
| Khertan | but you can also launch PyPackage on scratchbox using ./run-standalone pypackager | 12:47 |
| Khertan | Andy80: not this version ... | 12:47 |
| Khertan | i ve made a more recent one that can sign file too, and add maemo icon on packages | 12:48 |
| Khertan | it s available in maemo repository | 12:48 |
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| Khertan | at least i should send my patch to manatlan ... as the last one i ve send wasn't complet | 12:48 |
| Khertan | complete | 12:48 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/py2deb.php | 12:48 |
| Andy80 | Khertan: where can I find your py2deb version to be able to use it on my Scratchbox? | 12:49 |
| Andy80 | thanks! | 12:49 |
| Andy80 | uhm.... | 12:49 |
| Andy80 | but... | 12:49 |
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| Andy80 | there's .install | 12:49 |
| Andy80 | no wait... | 12:49 |
| Andy80 | The requested URL /downloads/product/raw/OS2008/py2deb/ could not be found on this server. | 12:50 |
| Andy80 | it doesn't exist on server :) | 12:50 |
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| atul | Hi all, How to login to Scrach-box without password is there any way ? | 12:51 |
| Andy80 | atul: you don't need a password | 12:53 |
| Khertan | Andy80: it seems there is some problem with .install location ... it s seems the location change ... i ll look. thx. Anyway it s available in repository ... so you can install it by the app manager on the device, or apt-get install py2deb on scratchbox | 12:53 |
| atul | Andy80:=> We login to scratch-box by typing command over command prompt /scrachbox/login | 12:54 |
| Andy80 | atul: yes, but it doesn0t ask you for a password | 12:54 |
| Andy80 | Khertan: whic repository do I have to use? if I write: fakeroot apt-get install py2deb, it cannot find it... | 12:55 |
| atul | Andy80:=> I have install scratch-box on almost 5 system and in all it is asking me for password. ok is there any way to remotelly login to scratch-box wihtout aksing apsswork. | 12:55 |
| atul | password | 12:55 |
| Khertan | andy http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 12:55 |
| Andy80 | atul: I installed Scratchbox and all Maemo SDK lot of times, and it never asked me for a password :) are you sure you've installed it correctly? | 12:56 |
| Andy80 | Khertan: I've that repository on my Scratchbox... very strange! I'll check again... | 12:56 |
| atul | Andy80:=> Yes. | 12:56 |
| Andy80 | atul: cannot help you then... | 12:57 |
| atul | Andy80:=> ok thanks for your kind reply. | 12:57 |
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| Andy80 | atul: I'm almost sure you didn't add your user to Scratchbox.... | 12:57 |
| atul | Andy80:=> yes your right. | 12:57 |
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| atul | Andy80:=> I need to create user account and then it wont ask me for password it seems. | 12:58 |
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| Andy80 | atul: you didn't follow installation instructions then. Instructions tell you to add your user to Scratchbox, to have permissions to login and install all the stuff | 12:59 |
| atul | Andy80:=> I add one user in to the scratch-box. | 13:00 |
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| Andy80 | atul: "Specify users to be added to scratchbox users with '-u USER' " -->http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt | 13:00 |
| atul | Andy80:=> ok thanq i will try and let you inform thanks for helpl. | 13:01 |
| Andy80 | you're wellcome | 13:01 |
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| Andy80 | Khertan: I'm browsing http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ from firefox... I can see all packages, but not py2deb... | 13:03 |
| Andy80 | Khertan: solved :) the package name is python2.5-py2deb not py2deb | 13:05 |
| Khertan | sorry ... i m at work and chief was here :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan | so a yep ... python2.5-py2deb | 13:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan | apt-cache search is always usefull :) | 13:06 |
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| Andy80 | Khertan: oh sorry, then I won't disturb you :) | 13:07 |
| woglinde | crofton what does file say when you ran it on cursor-bad.png | 13:07 |
| woglinde | args | 13:08 |
| woglinde | sorry | 13:09 |
| woglinde | wrong channel | 13:09 |
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| Khertan | Does syncml is the used protocol to sync device from ovi ? | 13:11 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: I'd guess so | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: according to http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/7993_Nokia_demonstrates_Ovi_updates.php - yes, it's SyncML based | 13:30 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: meeting 8pm sat? | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman: aye | 13:37 |
| lardman | right | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | ...unless I forget. | 13:38 |
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| lardman | likewise :) | 13:39 |
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| lardman | melmoth: I tried the suggestion, and in the end found a configure switch to disable python binding generation | 13:40 |
| lardman | melmoth: mainly as the suggestion didn't seem to work for me, user error I imagine | 13:40 |
| Khertan | configure switch to disable python binding generation ... gggrrrrrr not a good idea | 13:41 |
| lardman | why not? | 13:42 |
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| Khertan | thx jaffa | 13:42 |
| lardman | I'd be happy to reenable it but scratchbox gets hung up | 13:42 |
| Khertan | lardman: i don't know ... as i don't know what your are talking about :) | 13:42 |
| lardman | building Navit | 13:43 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 13:43 |
| Khertan | yep ... but it can be usefull for python dev to create the binding too :) | 13:44 |
| lardman | true, I'll post the error output and a python dev can track down the source ;) | 13:44 |
| Khertan | bye ... going to eat | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | ahhh food, something i cannot have :( | 13:48 |
| * lcuk dreams of bacon | 13:48 | |
| robtaylor | lcuk: how so? | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | tooth is still throbbin like a bitch and my throat feels like its on fire | 13:51 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: urgh! | 13:51 |
| lcuk | when are you plannin on comin over my way - we will have to take youngest to the pub if its before 3pm ;) | 13:52 |
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| robtaylor | lcuk: well, dunno yet, I'm waiting for the people selling the piano to let me know when they're free | 13:52 |
| melmoth | lardman: so you got navit compiled then ? | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | fair enough, ill ask the missus where a decent pub is then (for obvious reasons im not normally a drinker) | 13:53 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: obvious reasons == small children? :) | 13:54 |
| lcuk | heh, thats part of it yer, anyway give me a shout later, im goin for lunch | 13:55 |
| robtaylor | lardman: enjoy | 13:55 |
| robtaylor | * lcuk | 13:55 |
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| sneakret | obvious reasons == muslim/mormon? | 13:58 |
| sneakret | ;) | 13:58 |
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| lardman | melmoth: not quite, missing hildon libs, need to update pkg-config | 14:04 |
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| lardman | melmoth: what I could do with is some debianisation stuff, tried to copy in from elsewhere and it killed the build | 14:09 |
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| Khertan | Hi again ... | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | hi mgedmin | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | gaargh | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | hi | 14:31 |
| lcuk | im sorry i dont have highlights for gaargh | 14:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:32 |
| lcuk | everythin ok? | 14:32 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 14:36 | |
| mgedmin | headache again | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | and bloody apple with their bloody proprietary lock-in policies | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | I wanted to get an iPod shuffle, but they don't like to work with ubuntu | 14:37 |
| Khertan | haha ... the proprietary lock-in policies help me to take the decision to not use anymore their products | 14:37 |
| sneakret | Apple. Harumph. | 14:38 |
| lcuk | booo mgedmin i finally had my tooth sorted yesterday and ive been in mega pain since | 14:39 |
| * lcuk wouldnt mind an apple laptop | 14:40 | |
| Veggen | Apple and MS are equally evil when it comes to lock-in. But Apple doesn't even try to hide it. But Apples stuff often plain works, that's the reason they are popular... | 14:40 |
| lcuk | but i have no use for an ipod yet | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | apple is more insidious | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | they actually make stuff that I want | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | crave, evenb | 14:40 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 14:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | b**tards | 14:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i wanna talk to you later if you are around | 14:40 |
| sneakret | What. You don't want a Zune?!? ;) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | a polished turd is still shit | 14:41 |
| * jott lurks | 14:41 | |
| * sneakret lurks harder. | 14:41 | |
| lcuk | oi, stop lurking! | 14:41 |
| * mgedmin throws a paper airplane at the lurkers | 14:42 | |
| * lcuk reprograms jott's cat to become a ferocious attack kitty and sends it to menace you while you lurk | 14:42 | |
| jott | OUCH! | 14:42 |
| jott | heh the cat sits on my chest and sleeps :) | 14:43 |
| sneakret | Speaking of ubuntu, I've heard good things about mint. Is it hype? | 14:43 |
| jott | ah now he is awake lcuk. you woke him :/ | 14:43 |
| lcuk | well soon it will extend its claws and not release until it removes a rib | 14:43 |
| lcuk | damn, the code was meant to mask that | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | what's mint? | 14:43 |
| jott | yaf - yet another fork :p | 14:44 |
| sneakret | :) | 14:44 |
| pusling | I was about to forget my n810 today, so I thought ...is there any "phone home" software that basically every 5 minutes checks for gps and wifi and if available then posts that info somewhere ? | 14:45 |
| jott | and no i have not tried it and i can't tell if it's any good :) | 14:45 |
| sneakret | Fine. I'll try it now. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | pusling, there was a security threda on itT fairly recently talking about this kindof stuff | 14:46 |
| melmoth | pusling: i think there is such a script mentionned on internet tanlet talk | 14:46 |
| sneakret | When I got my N810, that was one of the first applications of the GPS that I thought of. | 14:46 |
| sneakret | but I never followed through. I guess I oughta. | 14:46 |
| lardman | pusling: there was a thread on itt iirc about phoning home after being stolen | 14:47 |
| jott | yeah, like if the n810 would get a gps fix in critical situations :) | 14:47 |
| lardman | lol | 14:47 |
| sneakret | :( | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | "dear thief, please go into a large area and stand very still for 5 minutes" | 14:48 |
| pusling | jott: it usually gets fix when I don't really need it, but not when I do. | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | large open area | 14:48 |
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| jott | pusling: exactly my point :) | 14:48 |
| sneakret | I have a phone that supposedly has really great GPS, but it's through Verizon and their firmware blocks GPS access unless you buy some stupid navigator service. | 14:48 |
| sneakret | $7/month or something | 14:48 |
| sneakret | grr | 14:48 |
| sneakret | android yesterday please | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | ha | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | the first android phone was announced 3 days ago | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | it is sim-locked and has no tethering | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | bloody phone operators | 14:49 |
| jott | any gps phone-home application has to cache the data anyway as it's even more unlikely that there is a active wifi connection the same time you got a gps fix. | 14:49 |
| sneakret | Yeah. Hooray for freedom. :/ | 14:49 |
| sneakret | jott: That's a valid point, but at some point you'd think whoever found/stole it would get it on wifi (hopefully prior to wiping it) | 14:50 |
| jott | sneakret: yeah that's why you have to cache/store the track and then submit it :) | 14:51 |
| sneakret | Uh... yeah. Maybe I should read the WHOLE sentence. | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | my phone operator is selling the iphone 3g starting today | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | must resist evil apple lockin | 14:51 |
| jott | best have some security penetration software running that exploits the local network and tries to get personal data :P | 14:51 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 14:52 |
| AStorm | wrrr | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | will nokia ever make an android phone? | 14:52 |
| AStorm | no maemopad+ for Diablo | 14:52 |
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| AStorm | I will *kill* the person that suggested flashing it. | 14:52 |
| sneakret | Andrade? | 14:52 |
| jaska | i hope they toss symbian soon | 14:52 |
| AStorm | or at least do something horrible to the one | 14:52 |
| jott | mgedmin: quite unlikely for now... | 14:52 |
| AStorm | let me check the logs... | 14:52 |
| Andrade | hi | 14:52 |
| sneakret | Is that your last name? | 14:53 |
| Andrade | im' new here... | 14:53 |
| Andrade | Felipe Andrade is my real name :) | 14:53 |
| sneakret | Cool. I know an Andrade. :) | 14:53 |
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| sneakret | Not Felipe though. | 14:54 |
| Andrade | from Brazil? | 14:54 |
| Andrade | cool | 14:54 |
| sneakret | He's in Texas, US. | 14:54 |
| sneakret | but maybe his ancestors are from Brazil. | 14:54 |
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| Andrade | I'm in Recife, BR | 14:54 |
| sneakret | My brother spent a couple years in Brazil. | 14:54 |
| sneakret | Oops. I lied. Portugal. I have a friend who spent a couple years in Brazil though. :) | 14:55 |
| sneakret | Same language at least! ;) | 14:55 |
| Andrade | sure | 14:55 |
| sneakret | My favorite restaurant is brazillian though! | 14:55 |
| sneakret | Glad I could be so helpful. | 14:56 |
| Andrade | :) | 14:56 |
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| sneakret | Oh, and I work with a guy from Brazil! | 14:56 |
| sneakret | I'm just full of useful information! | 14:57 |
| Andrade | where do you work? | 14:57 |
| Andrade | Nokia? | 14:57 |
| sneakret | I can't say. I'd be murdered. | 14:57 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:57 |
| sneakret | (Microsoft) | 14:58 |
| Andrade | hahahaha | 14:58 |
| AStorm | ok, hrw, you're getting the stick | 14:58 |
| sneakret | (Shh!) | 14:58 |
| AStorm | because it was probably either you or GeneralAntilles | 14:58 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:58 |
| AStorm | ok, who has another maemopad+-like application? | 14:58 |
| sneakret | Xournal? | 14:59 |
| sneakret | 5 minutes left on my mint download... | 15:00 |
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| hrw | AStorm: ? | 15:01 |
| * Khertan don't like syncml protocol ! | 15:01 | |
| hrw | sneakret: Portugese and Portugese-Brazil are not quite same language | 15:01 |
| sneakret | Are they more different than US and UK English? | 15:02 |
| Andrade | yes | 15:02 |
| sneakret | I didn't realize that. Cool. | 15:03 |
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| AStorm | well, that app has to be local | 15:04 |
| RST38h | MacBook Pro Automatically Self-Destructs in Time for Next Version | 15:05 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 15:05 |
| AStorm | so, question: who has a xournal package for diablo for me to try? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Chinook Extras does | 15:05 |
| AStorm | and it works with Diablo? | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Yes | 15:06 |
| AStorm | what about maemopad? | 15:06 |
| AStorm | *maemopadplus | 15:06 |
| RST38h | isn't maemopad in diablo extras? | 15:06 |
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| AStorm | nope | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Find X-Fade and bug him into moving a few crucial packages from chinook extras to diablo extras | 15:07 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: do it :) | 15:07 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 15:07 |
| RST38h | even if the source is not available | 15:07 |
| sneakret | All taken care of now! | 15:07 |
| AStorm | xournal is OSS | 15:07 |
| RST38h | 'cause this is no longer funny | 15:07 |
| AStorm | maemopadplus is open too | 15:07 |
| RST38h | AStorm: OSS != compiles on Extras autobuilder | 15:07 |
| * lcuk yowls in pain :( | 15:07 | |
| AStorm | I see no xournal in extras/pool/chinook | 15:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: 810 is not THAT heavy | 15:08 |
| RST38h | AStorm: A moment | 15:08 |
| AStorm | ok, I need to get my sight checked again | 15:08 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:08 |
| lcuk | 810 isnt the problem | 15:08 |
| AStorm | or change the pointless unreadable courier font to dejavu sans mono or sth | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | found it? ok | 15:08 |
| RST38h | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18837&page=25&highlight=xournal | 15:09 |
| AStorm | need libart, libgnomecanvas2-0, libgnomeprint2.2-0 and poppler-utils | 15:09 |
| AStorm | so... | 15:09 |
| AStorm | ah well, it's in -devel | 15:10 |
| AStorm | let me try that out | 15:10 |
| RST38h | DO NOT touch the version in devel | 15:10 |
| AStorm | really? | 15:10 |
| RST38h | It's fucked up | 15:10 |
| AStorm | mhm, well | 15:10 |
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| AStorm | I could just uninstall that ;P | 15:11 |
| sneakret | I can vouch for the xournel devel fail. | 15:11 |
| sneakret | xournal | 15:11 |
| AStorm | trick is... the .install won't work :P | 15:11 |
| AStorm | rejects these chinook repos now | 15:11 |
| RST38h | it will pull up a whole bunch of devel packages though | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Find and bug X-Fade. | 15:11 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: you will be killed... after that person who told me it's safe to switch to Diablo | 15:12 |
| AStorm | :> | 15:12 |
| sneakret | Hah. | 15:12 |
| Andrade[1] | hey guys, is there a kind of widget support like in Nokia N-Series for Maemo? | 15:12 |
| sneakret | AStorm's "to do" list means something different from what you might think. | 15:12 |
| sneakret | It's got people's names on it. | 15:12 |
| Andrade[1] | I mean Web Runtime... | 15:13 |
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| AStorm | Andrade[1]: uhm... you probably mean desktop widgets? sure there is | 15:16 |
| RST38h | Andrade: no web runtime. | 15:16 |
| lcuk | ~lart dentists | 15:16 |
| RST38h | There is a web browser though | 15:16 |
| Andrade[1] | Ajax and Flash Development to build small apps | 15:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Screams from the first floor? | 15:17 |
| lardman | reboot time | 15:17 |
| lcuk | screams from here, bloody hurts | 15:17 |
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| jott | lcuk: i can't remember visiting a dentist and *not* having more pain afterward than before. | 15:18 |
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| jott | that's pure marketing - what if they would actually make it proper - we would never come back :) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | jott, normally its cured on the whole, or i get painkillers, but none were offered and ive not got a chemists nearby to grab anything stronger than paracetamol | 15:18 |
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| Andrade | RST38h: thanks :P | 15:19 |
| AStorm | there is web runtime | 15:19 |
| AStorm | which is actually a modded Gecko | 15:19 |
| AStorm | so, you can use that | 15:19 |
| AStorm | not entirely sure if source to that is available | 15:20 |
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| RST38h | No, this is not what he needs | 15:21 |
| Andrade | no problem... i can start it from scratch | 15:21 |
| RST38h | He wants html/javascript widgets transparently integrated with the desktop | 15:21 |
| Andrade | I mean widger S60 | 15:21 |
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| Andrade | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Category:Web_Runtime_(WRT) | 15:21 |
| AStorm | ah, no, there's no API like that | 15:22 |
| AStorm | go port google widgets ;) | 15:22 |
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| Andrade | sure :P | 15:22 |
| jott | you can run plasma :P | 15:22 |
| Andrade | is there a project like this? | 15:22 |
| RST38h | no. | 15:23 |
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| hrw | Andrade: forget about web runtime based gadgets/widgets on maemo | 15:35 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: They are announced for the next release. | 15:36 |
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| Andrade | hrw: ? | 15:36 |
| hrw | X-Fade: which has unknown release date | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Well, there were some clues ;) | 15:36 |
| AStorm | hmm | 15:37 |
| Andrade | hrw: secret plans | 15:37 |
| Mek | hmm... it would perhaps be nice to add support for maemo's widgets to plasma, so you can use the same widget when running plasma-on-maemo as with normal maemo, and also use them on your normal kde desktop... :) | 15:37 |
| Andrade | nice | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Not entirely unknown - there's a clear roadmap from the announcement last week -> November alpha -> March-May betas -> mid-2009 release. | 15:37 |
| AStorm | xournal is almost good, but has no means to manage information | 15:37 |
| * hrw -> lunch | 15:37 | |
| Khertan | hrw: it s possible to do google widget ... | 15:39 |
| Khertan | but ... hum ... it ll eat many cpu cycle and memory | 15:39 |
| Khertan | what is plasme ? | 15:39 |
| Khertan | plasma ? | 15:39 |
| Mek | Khertan: plasma is kde's desktop shell (which incidentally also can run on maemo :) ) | 15:40 |
| Mek | (and plasma currently has support for google gadgets, macosx dashboard widgets, and its own plasmoids) | 15:40 |
| Khertan | Mek: oh ... don't know | 15:40 |
| Khertan | also for the support of the widget | 15:41 |
| Khertan | google gadgets is at this time really useless ... as they are all horrible | 15:41 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:41 |
| AStorm | hmm, its shape recognizer could use some more fudge setting | 15:41 |
| Mek | :) | 15:41 |
| Andrade | widget development is easy | 15:42 |
| Andrade | take a look at this one | 15:42 |
| Andrade | http://mosh.nokia.com/content/56A93DC9BC2656C1E040050A4430251D | 15:42 |
| Khertan | Andrade ... hum ... | 15:42 |
| Andrade | only one hour | 15:42 |
| * jott has yet to see a widget that draws his attention for more than 20 seconds... | 15:43 | |
| Khertan | jott: use HomeCalendar it s an usefull widget :) | 15:43 |
| Khertan | at least if you use mCalendar :) | 15:43 |
| Khertan | </ad> | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:44 |
| * Jaffa needs to try the latest version | 15:44 | |
| AStorm | blah, shape recognizer still requires very careful drawing | 15:44 |
| AStorm | pointless | 15:44 |
| Andrade | jott: where do you live? i can make a camera surveillance system for your region in only few minutes | 15:44 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: although you don't want to do a grid, it might be interesting to vary the height of an item depending on its duration (within min & max limits, of course) | 15:44 |
| Khertan | Andrade: i live at Varinfroy ... in France ... try to found a web cam | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: i say i ll not like a grid not i will not do it :) | 15:45 |
| Khertan | just not the first priority | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | Ah :) | 15:46 |
| Khertan | But maybe with your last sentence i ve found a solution to implement an home made grid without using cairo and making my own widget | 15:46 |
| Khertan | THX JAFFA !!!!! | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo! :) | 15:46 |
| Khertan | i will made a TreeView with custom bg color ... and size ! | 15:47 |
| * Jaffa aims to be helpful (most of the time ;-)) | 15:47 | |
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| AStorm | pity xournal can't use text recognition as well (directly | 15:47 |
| * Khertan just hope i can made different line size in a gtk.TreeView | 15:48 | |
| AStorm | or even... at all! | 15:48 |
| AStorm | blah, no handwriting recognition... needs improvements | 15:48 |
| Khertan | oufffff we can set height of a line separatly | 15:49 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: an another idea ? :) | 15:49 |
| Andrade | khertan: do you know a website like this one for your region? http://www.paris-live.com/ | 15:50 |
| Khertan | jaffa: something about implementing syncml easily ? | 15:50 |
| Khertan | Andrade: lol there is nothing around my home | 15:50 |
| Andrade | :P | 15:51 |
| Khertan | Andrade: my town is arround 200 hundred habitant | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: not found any existing Python code? | 15:51 |
| Khertan | hum ... 200 habitant | 15:51 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: i ve found something that i prefer to not read anymore ... | 15:51 |
| Khertan | as this is not really well coded and based on an python module, based itself on a non free lib | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | Eugh | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | Use some of the Java SyncML services - stick on a server somewhere and have it mangle the SyncML into something more sensible for your code? | 15:53 |
| Khertan | the best thing i ve found is a young python module named pysyncml : https://pysyncml.forge.funambol.org/ | 15:53 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: i prefer a real sync ... image if people don't use google because they don't trust it ... imagine my own server :) | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Still wrapping the C++ API - building it'll be a lot more fun, though that could be a separate port (using mud to generate the auto-builder package) | 15:54 |
| Khertan | s/image/_ | 15:54 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep but it wrap a free c++ api / lib which is the one implemented in the most of the server | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 15:55 |
| Khertan | but it require that i build the lib | 15:55 |
| Khertan | something i can try tomorrow | 15:55 |
| Khertan | but ... hum ... as you know i don't have many time to spent on my home computer | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | heh | 15:56 |
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| Jaffa | re lardman | 15:57 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 15:57 |
| hrw | hi lardman | 15:59 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 15:59 |
| lardman | sorry I missed your talk on qemu | 15:59 |
| hrw | lardman: no problem | 16:00 |
| hrw | lardman: I enjoyed your talk even if did not understood most of it;D | 16:00 |
| lardman | lol | 16:01 |
| lardman | I'm expanding that to make a document which should be more understandable, hopefully | 16:01 |
| AStorm | wrrraugh | 16:01 |
| AStorm | there's no Pidgin there either | 16:01 |
| AStorm | evil! | 16:01 |
| hrw | lardman: I am not interested in dsp programming but attended your talk as it looked as most promising talk. | 16:01 |
| hrw | web2py or py2web talk for example was disaster | 16:02 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: ... | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Sorry, not here ;) | 16:02 |
| lardman | I hope to get more people interested by showing that it's pretty easy to get started, etc. | 16:02 |
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| lardman | anyway, task of the moment is getting Navit to compile | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: Pidgin is elsewhere | 16:05 |
| RST38h | boo, hrw | 16:05 |
| hrw | ? | 16:06 |
| RST38h | nothing | 16:06 |
| jott | lardman: which version do you use for navit? | 16:06 |
| lardman | svn | 16:06 |
| jott | just ./autogen.sh && make ? | 16:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: navit does not work. | 16:07 |
| lardman | also needs the following configure switches: --enable-hildon --disable-binding-python | 16:07 |
| lardman | and now I need to work out why pkg-config isn't finding the hildon libs | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Are you gonna make it work?> Please? Pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top? =) | 16:08 |
| lardman | RST38h: how so? | 16:08 |
| RST38h | lardman: Crashes unpredictably | 16:08 |
| lardman | ah, yeah, I thought I'd take a look | 16:08 |
| RST38h | wants weird things. does weird things. | 16:08 |
| lardman | just like us then? ;) | 16:09 |
| RST38h | pretty much although it is not supposed to have free will | 16:09 |
| melmoth | we do not crash unpredic | 16:09 |
| RST38h | we do not? | 16:09 |
| Khertan | web2py talk was a disaster ? are you sure this was not the py2deb talk ? | 16:10 |
| Khertan | hrw: ? | 16:10 |
| AStorm | RST38h: really? where? | 16:10 |
| AStorm | (as there is one in chinook extras) | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=pidgin&Section=&Repo=0 | 16:11 |
| RST38h | + there is one in collabora repo | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Collabora one is weird. Takes 20MB extra, according to installer | 16:12 |
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| hrw | Khertan: I did not attended py2deb talk | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | And hopefully something like mud will be considered a home for the build receipe (or upstream), rather than a navit.garage.maemo.org | 16:13 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I'll liaise with you | 16:13 |
| lardman | but ideally yes | 16:14 |
| lardman | and I don't see why now | 16:14 |
| lardman | not | 16:14 |
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| lardman | I don't see why not (just to avoid any doubts about that) | 16:14 |
| AStorm | RST38h: that one is Chinook extras... | 16:14 |
| AStorm | not in diablo, but it works | 16:15 |
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| AStorm | X-Fade: you failed truly | 16:15 |
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| aquatix | lardman: one of these days eh? | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Thanks for the encouraging comments ;) | 16:15 |
| lardman | aquatix: yeah :) | 16:15 |
| * aquatix is not really coherent too today | 16:15 | |
| aquatix | damn flue | 16:15 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: so, please move or copy some of these packages | 16:15 |
| aquatix | flu | 16:15 |
| lardman | aquatix: lol, was going to say buy a CO detector | 16:16 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:16 |
| lardman | but in this case will say "get well soon" :) | 16:16 |
| aquatix | heh, thanks | 16:16 |
| lardman | Is hildon-libs now known as hildon-1 ? | 16:16 |
| lardman | for pkg-config | 16:16 |
| * lardman shows his lack of GUI programming experience | 16:17 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Stuff that does not build on the extrasautobiulder but is still very important (like xournal) | 16:17 |
| aquatix | so it's a quiet day at work for me today | 16:17 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Could you simply copy it to Diablo repo? Copy it into non-free if you like, does not matter as long as it is there | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Dude, things like that can be fixed with very little effort. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, but it has been so long, and they have not been fixed yet | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | It seems that people just don't care about that package, otherwise it would have been there already. | 16:18 |
| lardman | to answer my question, yes http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/21/leetle-hildon-1chinook-migration-things/ | 16:18 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: yes but the users care | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is in extras-devel. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Not fair to keep it from the users just because package's author is having hard time | 16:19 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No, the extras-devel xournal is an unusable alpha version | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Dunno about maemopad+ - AStorm is saying it is not there either | 16:19 |
| jott | lardman: compiled fine with http://slexy.org/raw/s2iTDrCIcH applied | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: maemopad+ got uploaded yesterday, but a lib is missing. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:20 |
| AStorm | mhm | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008-September/thread.html | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: btw, the maemo logo there has opaque background | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Where? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: See https://garage.maemo.org/ in IE | 16:22 |
| RST38h | maemo-logo.png | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Upgrade to 7. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is the IE png bug. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | It is a machien at work. I do not decide on upgrades for these | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Maybe just replace it with a gif? | 16:23 |
| jott | ie6 is the spawn of evil | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | 1 bit transparancy is not really great looking for that ;) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | jott: you mean ie7 is not? | 16:24 |
| AStorm | there is a nasty hack to allow almost proper transparency in PNG in IE | 16:24 |
| RST38h | well, replacing it with gif will fix the problem | 16:24 |
| hrw | if you do website then please forget that ie6 exists | 16:24 |
| AStorm | some directshow tuneup, can be done locally with javascript | 16:24 |
| jott | RST38h: well it is too but ie6 really caused so much damage to the whole web. | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No, because then you would have very ugly borders. | 16:24 |
| RST38h | oh | 16:24 |
| jott | X-Fade: you can blend it to a fixed background color | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Wait, why? | 16:25 |
| AStorm | check about "IE6 png workaround" | 16:25 |
| RST38h | You mean the image is antialiaced? | 16:25 |
| RST38h | jott: So did NS4 =) | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | We have less than 10% IE6 users orso. | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | At some point you should just stop caring about that.. | 16:25 |
| AStorm | Yes, send them a message | 16:25 |
| AStorm | IE6 = ugly | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | jott: And if we only let Gopher live, imagine what would web look like today! | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | And I am still hoping we get a new design soon. | 16:26 |
| AStorm | there would be no "web" as we know it | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | So perhaps it will fix itself. | 16:26 |
| AStorm | just a WSDL hell | 16:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, General asked me and I have done the layout | 16:26 |
| AStorm | plus gopher ;P | 16:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Fast, resizable, looks well on the tablet, no JS | 16:26 |
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| AStorm | ok, anyway... a good file manager for the tablet? (no, the default one sucks major) | 16:27 |
| RST38h | AStorm: MC | 16:27 |
| jott | RST38h: i guess with gopher we would have much less of evil webapps :p | 16:27 |
| AStorm | no, that doesn't work well with the touchscreen | 16:27 |
| johnx | AStorm, emelfm2 and pcmanfm, IIRC | 16:27 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Errata: you will have to ssh to the tablet from outside to run it well =) | 16:27 |
| johnx | I don't use 'em but supposedly they work | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | well, mc in the xterm works too | 16:28 |
| RST38h | emelfm is an abomination | 16:28 |
| Khertan | AStorm: osso-xterm is a good one | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | if you know that esc, letter == alt+letter | 16:28 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: except that its input is unusbale =( | 16:28 |
| AStorm | Khertan: doesn't like touchscreen either | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | and that you can simulate function keys by esc + number 0..9 | 16:28 |
| * jott wished webapps would just be extinguished... | 16:28 | |
| AStorm | jott: then vote for WSDL and such initiatives | 16:28 |
| RST38h | jott: Don't take my gmail from me | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | the cripledness of the traditional unix terminal i/o works to our favour here | 16:28 |
| AStorm | and kick W3C for making the standard unreadable/unwritable by humans | 16:28 |
| AStorm | stupid design by M$ | 16:29 |
| AStorm | namespace abuse and all that | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | Please, gentlemen, let us be more general and just vote for KILLING ALL PEOPLE | 16:29 |
| RST38h | People are the problem, don't you see? | 16:29 |
| jott | AStorm: i don't like the idea of code being run on remote servers i don't have access to. | 16:29 |
| AStorm | then run local apps? | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure about ALL PEOPLE | 16:29 |
| jott | i do :) | 16:29 |
| RST38h | jott: JS runs locally | 16:29 |
| AStorm | they can use WSDL too, so... | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | I mean, who will draw the webcomics I read daily? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: robots. | 16:30 |
| jott | RST38h: uhm, gmail does not use js for it's database engine :P | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Most stuff consumed by geeks can be written by robots anyway | 16:30 |
| AStorm | does "kill all people" include yourself? | 16:30 |
| jott | atleast i hope so ;) | 16:30 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Alas, yes | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | only if he isn't SECRETLY A ROBOT!!! | 16:30 |
| * johnx is obviously a bot | 16:30 | |
| RST38h | AStorm: But only AFTER I am done with the rest | 16:30 |
| AStorm | BAN ;) | 16:30 |
| * johnx isn't on the list of course :) | 16:30 | |
| RST38h | jott: I see no problem with remote database engines | 16:31 |
| AStorm | I'll check that pcmanfm | 16:31 |
| RST38h | jott: May have a problem with who manages them of course, but this is always a concern | 16:31 |
| AStorm | does it support obex nicely? | 16:32 |
| AStorm | that is a major selling point | 16:32 |
| jott | RST38h: well i prefer opensource software. | 16:32 |
| blafasel | RST38h: Please tell me that you don't listen to evil metal or play violent and aggressive video games. | 16:32 |
| jott | and webapps are a usually a step further to even binary software. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | blafasel: 1. I do not listen to evil metal | 16:32 |
| jott | i mean i can attach a debugger or disassemble binaries :) | 16:32 |
| RST38h | blafasel: 2. I play extremely violent and aggressive video games, such as Zombies Ate My Neighbors and XEvil | 16:33 |
| blafasel | Damn. Now I'm scared. | 16:33 |
| jott | but that's as always is a matter of choice and preferences.. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | blafasel: [and yes, I enjoy 'em immensely] | 16:33 |
| RST38h | jott: What if you manage the server yourself? | 16:33 |
| jott | RST38h: that works. as i said "i don't like the idea of code being run on remote servers i don't have access to." | 16:34 |
| RST38h | blafasel: If you heard stuff I listen to, you would be even more scared | 16:34 |
| RST38h | blafasel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY | 16:34 |
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| etrunko_lap | kulve: ping | 16:45 |
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| lardman | bloody thing, doesn't navit.c apparently calls a fn which has been removed | 16:48 |
| lardman | hi etrunko_lap | 16:48 |
| RST38h | msut have a replacement though | 16:48 |
| etrunko_lap | lardman: cheers! | 16:49 |
| lardman | strange that navit.c calls it though, from the same svn checkout | 16:49 |
| lardman | etrunko_lap: not happy that you have 30C weather! | 16:49 |
| RST38h | it is possible that the committer had an older component that still supplied that function | 16:49 |
| RST38h | and nobody tried to build the codebase after commit | 16:50 |
| lardman | I'm sure there are reasons, just a bit annoying | 16:50 |
| etrunko_lap | lardman: come and join us! | 16:50 |
| Anunakin | hi all! | 16:50 |
| etrunko_lap | :) | 16:50 |
| jott | lardman: hmm strange i wonder why it compiled here :/ | 16:50 |
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| lardman | jott: did you enable hildon? | 16:50 |
| * jott checks | 16:50 | |
| * RST38h sighs and gets to merging the source trees =( | 16:50 | |
| lardman | check config.log, it silently fails when it can't find the hildon-libs pkg-config file | 16:50 |
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| jott | ah no | 16:51 |
| jott | indeed | 16:51 |
| lardman | need to change that to hildon-1, and alter the include path in gui_gtk_window.c, and then pass the correct pkg-config strings to place in CFLAGS, etc. | 16:51 |
| jott | looks like its made for a newer/older version of hildon .. | 16:52 |
| RST38h | what function? | 16:52 |
| lardman | yeah, older version | 16:52 |
| lardman | RST38h: ? | 16:53 |
| RST38h | what function is missing? | 16:53 |
| lardman | map_get_filename() | 16:53 |
| etrunko_lap | kulve: is there any problem if we have libogg and libvorbis packages in the extras repo? | 16:54 |
| etrunko_lap | please please please | 16:54 |
| RST38h | this isn't a hildon function | 16:54 |
| lardman | no | 16:54 |
| RST38h | but maybe you should try including libhildonfm/libhildonfm2 ? | 16:55 |
| lardman | no, it's a fn which should be in map.c | 16:55 |
| jott | lardman: mm compiles here :p | 16:55 |
| jott | lardman: changed configure.in to use hildon-1 | 16:56 |
| rm_you | morning :) | 16:56 |
| woglinde | configure.in | 16:56 |
| jott | and changed path to hildon-1/hildon/... | 16:56 |
| woglinde | uaha | 16:56 |
| lardman | jott: strange, have you altered the path to the hildon include files? | 16:56 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 16:56 |
| woglinde | smells like rotten autotools use | 16:56 |
| jott | rm_you: hey | 16:56 |
| lardman | right, got 0.0.4 to compile | 16:56 |
| lardman | woglinde: the pkg-config stuff is broken, have to manually add the pkg-config output for hildon to the main CFLAGS, etc. | 16:57 |
| woglinde | lardman hm in sratchbox? | 16:57 |
| lardman | I have to go out, bbl | 16:57 |
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| jott | lardman: i just added the full path :) | 16:57 |
| lardman | woglinde: yeah | 16:57 |
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| jott | in the .h :) | 16:57 |
| lardman | woglinde: it's the Makefile at fault though | 16:57 |
| jott | (excluding /usr/include) | 16:57 |
| jott | that seems to work | 16:57 |
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| lardman | jott: yeah, it will do | 16:57 |
| lardman | try 0.0.4, that has the correct fn in map.c | 16:58 |
| woglinde | yeah poor developers | 16:58 |
| lardman | I'll try some testing when I get home | 16:58 |
| jott | ah, well i use svn :) | 16:58 |
| lardman | cu all later | 16:58 |
| jott | later | 16:58 |
| woglinde | dont get the 10 minutes for autotools love | 16:58 |
| woglinde | bye lardman | 16:58 |
| lardman | jott: and it's built? | 16:58 |
| jott | yes | 16:58 |
| * lardman is interested now | 16:58 | |
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| jott | as i said just changed configure.in and then changed the path to hildon-1/.. | 16:59 |
| lardman | hmm, I'm missing that filename fn | 16:59 |
| lardman | when it comes to linking | 16:59 |
| woglinde | hm what package it is? | 16:59 |
| jott | navit | 16:59 |
| woglinde | ah | 16:59 |
| woglinde | is navit really this old | 16:59 |
| jott | well at least that broken :) | 16:59 |
| lardman | map_get_filename is defined in map.h, but isn't actually in map.c afaict; no idea how you got it to compile, unless they fixed the error since my pull last night? | 17:00 |
| jott | hmm who knows :) | 17:00 |
| woglinde | hm registerd 3 years ago | 17:00 |
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| lardman|out | bbl | 17:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: It is. codesearch.google.com finds its source :) | 17:01 |
| woglinde | jott and you get it compiled? | 17:02 |
| woglinde | got | 17:02 |
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| jott | woglinde: it seems so | 17:02 |
| jott | not actually started it yet :) | 17:02 |
| woglinde | does it work with the 810 gpsd ? | 17:03 |
| jott | i seem to recall that it does. | 17:04 |
| jott | i never actually tried it, but the osm guys at linuxtag had it running. | 17:04 |
| woglinde | ah hm | 17:04 |
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| woglinde | lol | 17:05 |
| woglinde | #DIRECTFB_CFLAGS="-D_REENTRANT -I/data/oe/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/directfb/" | 17:05 |
| woglinde | in the configure.in | 17:05 |
| jott | hehe | 17:05 |
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| woglinde | jott yep its funny because I maintained the last directfb recipes in oe | 17:07 |
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| jott | hmm well it does not look very hildonized :P | 17:12 |
| jott | hehe on the default location there is a place called "Hackerbrücke" :) | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | What is a "3" before "j" , | 17:14 |
| RST38h | ? | 17:14 |
| RST38h | I mean, in latin charset? | 17:14 |
| woglinde | ???? | 17:14 |
| jott | abcdef[g]hij?! | 17:16 |
| woglinde | *g* | 17:16 |
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| jott | hm i see navit is partly hildonized. the hw keys work but the menu is still gtk-ish | 17:16 |
| jott | and it even create a route :O | 17:17 |
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| woglinde | jott hehe | 17:18 |
| woglinde | which cardmatrial you have? | 17:19 |
| woglinde | hm Add:graphics:Add WM_Class support to windows | 17:19 |
| jott | that's an osm snapshot of munich as it seems | 17:19 |
| woglinde | commited 4 days ago | 17:19 |
| jott | some area of it. | 17:19 |
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| jott | hm you probably have to use an external tool to fetch/create the maps | 17:20 |
| woglinde | jott they have no hildon-progamm in the gtk code | 17:20 |
| woglinde | so its clear | 17:20 |
| jott | yeah. | 17:21 |
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| jott | just key bindings. | 17:21 |
| woglinde | jepp | 17:21 |
| woglinde | but this shouldnt be hard to add | 17:21 |
| jott | better than nothing :) | 17:21 |
| jott | no indeed | 17:21 |
| jott | the rendering quality is actually quite acceptable | 17:22 |
| kulve | etrunko_lap: yes, I guess there is a problem. Afaik, mogg project already provides those? But with the missing symbols.. | 17:22 |
| woglinde | hm I wonder why they have to set WM_CLASS manually | 17:22 |
| jott | ah i spotted theresienwiese :) | 17:22 |
| woglinde | I thought a gtkwindow has it per default | 17:23 |
| etrunko_lap | kulve: No problem at all.. the mogg packages are quite outdated | 17:23 |
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| etrunko_lap | kulve: just in case i uploaded the vorbisidec to extras-devel | 17:24 |
| jott | hmm i only see WM_CLASS in the cegui frontend | 17:24 |
| etrunko_lap | as a matter of test | 17:24 |
| etrunko_lap | :) | 17:24 |
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| etrunko_lap | kulve: it was your package without any modifications | 17:25 |
| woglinde | jott hm in add_bookmark window | 17:25 |
| kulve | etrunko_lap: I mean that I don't think I should upload my packages there, if the mogg project has already uploaded them.. | 17:25 |
| woglinde | hm but they have a clutter port too | 17:26 |
| jott | now we only need clutter on the n8x0 :) | 17:27 |
| etrunko_lap | kulve: may i send you a mail so we can discuss about that issue? i'll copy the mogg guy... at least the base packages such as libogg and libvorbisidec should be shared by both of you guys | 17:27 |
| RST38h | urgh | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | qwerty123 | 17:29 |
| kulve | etrunko_lap: sure | 17:29 |
| etrunko_lap | kulve: great | 17:29 |
| etrunko_lap | it'll ease things a lot | 17:29 |
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| etrunko_lap | kulve: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008-September/002698.html | 17:31 |
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| kulve | I don't mind you overriding the mogg's packages, but I just see it a bit suspicous :) | 17:33 |
| kulve | I don't want to end up in a situation where we upgrade the version numbers to get our package to be the one that gets installed | 17:34 |
| etrunko_lap | i understand | 17:36 |
| Italodance | guys:( | 17:36 |
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| Italodance | thanl u so much for be with u | 17:36 |
| Italodance | o think | 17:36 |
| Italodance | i am crying | 17:36 |
| Italodance | i think i should say goodbye here forever | 17:36 |
| Italodance | we have good time together | 17:37 |
| Italodance | :''''''( | 17:37 |
| Italodance | i missed my n800 | 17:37 |
| Italodance | a robber :( | 17:37 |
| Italodance | .........oh | 17:37 |
| RST38h | a reason to buy n810 | 17:37 |
| Italodance | goodbye maemo | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12 would rather wait for the next device | 17:38 | |
| Italodance | but maybe can find it :( | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: that would be a wait until next may | 17:38 |
| Italodance | ok so goodbye i am really crying. | 17:38 |
| Italodance | bye | 17:38 |
| woglinde | hm we will throw it away if he finds out that it not runs windows | 17:39 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: at least until the next may | 17:39 |
| Andrade | italodance: where do you live? | 17:39 |
| RST38h | 'cause as General said, they promise to release SDK in may | 17:39 |
| Italodance | Andrade iran | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Italodance: they do not cut hands for robberies in Iran? | 17:39 |
| Italodance | thank u for ur always favor guys | 17:39 |
| lcuk | how did a robber get their hands on it? they must be pissed off with themselves to discover its not a phone ;) | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | mgedmin, true. but I don't find an upgrading to an N810 from a N800 worthwhile. Plus, at least next device will hopefully be able to play video back properly. (i.e not have shit epson chipset) | 17:40 |
| Italodance | RST38h .....maybe they can find my device | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: have you upgraded? | 17:40 |
| RST38h | Italo: Even if they can't, you can buy a new one | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | I was very sceptical of the n810 before I got one | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | I'm very happy I got one | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | it took me maybe two days to convert | 17:40 |
| Italodance | RST38h IT is available only in USA | 17:41 |
| Italodance | i bought mine in dubai,and there was very rare | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Italo: Also available in Europe and even in Russia | 17:41 |
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| qwerty12 | mgedmin, nope. still using an N800. I don't doubt the N810 has useful things on it like the keyboard etc but the GPS isn't much cop and it shares lacking hardware too :( | 17:41 |
| Italodance | yes but asia really no! | 17:41 |
| Italodance | :"''( | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | it's prettier | 17:41 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: easier to scratch though | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Seen my N800? | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: That's yours =) | 17:42 |
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| Italodance | ok thnx forever | 17:42 |
| Italodance | bye | 17:42 |
| RST38h | My n810 got scratched by breadcrumbs on the back =( | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12 | bread crumbs? | 17:43 |
| RST38h | yep | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | The latch for opening the battery cover is scratched on my and my "d-pad" (if that is right term) is scratched heavily too. (At least led is more visible now) | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | You abuse your little sweet n800! | 17:45 |
| RST38h | Oh, the monster! | 17:45 |
| RST38h | [do you spank it?\ | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | sometimes | 17:45 |
| RST38h | terrible. | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | meh, I've damaged it a bit. touchscreen stops working sometimes :/. Once alarm was going off and I had no touchscreen working so I went straight for the battery | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:46 |
| RST38h | You took its breath away! | 17:46 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: in the end after couple hours installer failed and quit, i chroot to sdcard and dpkg --configure -a tells: "Errors were encountered while processing:nit-env-stskeeps"? | 17:46 |
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| Khertan | Rah ... user reports other errors about reccuring event in mCalendar | 17:54 |
| Khertan | arggeegegergrgrg | 17:54 |
| Khertan | so ... i ll take some time tomorrow to review all the code with a bigger screen | 17:54 |
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| Italodance | hi again dear friends | 18:31 |
| Italodance | plz tell me who has iphone 3g? | 18:31 |
| Jaredu | not me, but what's the question | 18:31 |
| Jaredu | my uncle has one and my aunt has the normal | 18:31 |
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| Italodance | Jaredu tell me can it read ebooks like pdf files>? | 18:32 |
| Italodance | i want to buy one | 18:32 |
| Jaredu | i dont believe it can do pdf's/ | 18:32 |
| Italodance | and hope be the same IT :( | 18:32 |
| Italodance | :( | 18:32 |
| Italodance | sure? | 18:32 |
| Jaredu | sec | 18:32 |
| Jaredu | ill double check | 18:32 |
| Jaredu | but im pretty sure | 18:32 |
| Jaredu | while you're waiting, www.t-mobileg1.com ;) | 18:33 |
| Italodance | tnx | 18:34 |
| Italodance | i'll see you | 18:34 |
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| Jaredu | http://www.talkiphone.com/forums/iphone-articles/223-101-most-commonly-asked-iphone-questions.html#faq59 | 18:34 |
| Jaredu | aww | 18:34 |
| Jaredu | :'( | 18:34 |
| Jaredu | i paused my torrent to get that link grrr >.< | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, just pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras. . . . | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | Jaredu: not entirely useful FAQ - given it doesn't mention 3G | 18:35 |
| Jaredu | 3g is the same phone w/ 3g support and front facing camera pretty much | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | ...and a new software version. | 18:36 |
| Jaredu | yeah | 18:36 |
| Jaredu | firmware can be updated lol | 18:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to beat Quim up for using camel case. | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | where/ | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | ? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the Wiki | 18:48 |
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| nomis | Bwaaaahaaahaa! Mark complains about the "your concerns and use cases are irrelevant" attitude!! :) | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh the irony! | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | back | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | generalAntilles, whatIsWrongWithCamelCase? itWorksWhenYouHaven'tGotASpaceBar | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if you haven't got a spacebar then you shouldn't be editing the wiki. | 19:17 |
| Jaredu | heh | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nothing wrong with camel case if it's what you're using. | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we're not using camel case on the wiki. | 19:17 |
| lcuk | thatsj ust bein spacist :P not all keyboards were brought up the same | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using it breaks consistency. | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | nokia could afterall have decided not to include a spacebar (hell, its one step away from tab:P) and then where would you be? huh! huh! :D | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a lot of dumbass N810 users not editing a wiki. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | or your blood pressure boiling when they do :D | 19:18 |
| lcuk | yes, thats how we will describe the bug report to nokia "please insert extra keys so GeneralAntilles doesn't explode" | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | on a slightly lighter note: tracy decided to smash the car up today | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome | 19:20 |
| lcuk | she rung me and told me she had picked up all the pieces :S | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | She ok? | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | perfectly, it was her vs a trolley park | 19:21 |
| lcuk | and she lost | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly | 19:21 |
| lcuk | i could barely listen to her for laughin :D it was awesome, i really hope the store got cctv footage :D | 19:21 |
| johnx | will it be covered by insurance? | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Data Protection Act means they *have* to turn it over, too ;-) | 19:22 |
| * johnx hears some people actually have more than minimum coverage on their vehicles | 19:22 | |
| lcuk | i obviously dont care - cars need bumps and dents and you cannot worry about it - but it was her descriptions of how everytime she moved the scrapin nooise got worse | 19:23 |
| lcuk | :D excellent jaffa | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | johnx, nahhh not worth it, its just a bit of a panel bashin needed | 19:23 |
| lcuk | im not givin up my mega no claims for this | 19:24 |
| johnx | ah, that doesn't even count then | 19:24 |
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| * johnx reminisces about the car before his present one | 19:24 | |
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| lcuk | heh,. right off again, bblater | 19:24 |
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| Jaredu | i am totally loving the creator of vgba right now :D | 19:25 |
| Jaredu | the optimizations are excellenntttt | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the others seem to have been Sprint'n', though. Why isn't the next one Sprint6/ | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | ? | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 19:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'cause the 100 days are over | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I'm not sure why we can't continue on with that naming scheme. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe poke Quim on -community. | 19:31 |
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| jott | Jaredu: he is in the channel, thank RST38h directly :) | 19:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is there a readme on the .items somewhere? | 19:38 |
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| johnx | lcuk, if you're curious, I'm quite familiar with the concept of "cars that have character" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/793c0a17.jpg | 19:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 19:40 | |
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| moontiger | johnx: thaqt looks like seattle | 19:41 |
| Jaredu | RST38h, you are amazing. | 19:42 |
| johnx | moontiger, why do you say that? | 19:42 |
| Jaredu | i do wonder if there's a way to change the button layout | 19:43 |
| johnx | moontiger, though you're correct :) | 19:43 |
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| moontiger | hehe i spend a lot of time in redmond and thsat looks very familiar | 19:43 |
| Jaredu | lol, i cans play pokemon on nit while waiting for torrents xD | 19:45 |
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| Jaredu | games look awesome fullscreen now... | 19:45 |
| * johnx downloads new vgba | 19:45 | |
| Jaredu | :D | 19:45 |
| Jaredu | its playable now :P | 19:45 |
| Jaredu | goes down to 8fps sometimes and the sound is somewhat choppy | 19:45 |
| Jaredu | but the good old gba feel is there | 19:46 |
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| johnx | now if only the d-pad on my n800 hadn't degenerated into a mushy, unusable mess | 19:47 |
| Jaredu | ah | 19:47 |
| Jaredu | im hoping theres a way to hack the button layout :P | 19:47 |
| Jaredu | //wants to use the keyboard layout gba style | 19:48 |
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| Jaredu | qwe asd zxc = directionals fn = L ^ = R l = a + =b | 19:49 |
| Jaredu | :P | 19:49 |
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| Jaredu | that'd be great | 19:49 |
| Jaredu | heh | 19:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to push svn to Diablo Extras? | 20:31 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 20:37 |
| Andy80 | GNUton: Hi :) | 20:38 |
| GNUton | Hey Andy80! :) | 20:39 |
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| Andy80 | GNUton: you remember me? :) (andrea grandi) ;) | 20:39 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I'd like a git package too :) | 20:39 |
| GNUton | Andy80: of course! :) How are you Andrea | 20:39 |
| Andy80 | GNUton: I'm so happy for the PyQt4 release :D | 20:39 |
| GNUton | ? | 20:39 |
| GNUton | Andy80: me too! :D | 20:39 |
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| Andy80 | I'm fine, and you? How is the life in the north :P ?? | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, I'm playing around with on-device building without much success here. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The busybox grep sucks too much to compile subversion, apparently. | 20:40 |
| AStorm | it does | 20:40 |
| AStorm | you need coreutils and others | 20:40 |
| AStorm | I had to hack things a bit to install all the real tools | 20:40 |
| AStorm | not much loss of disk space | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid busybox | 20:40 |
| AStorm | busybox is not meant for a full system like the one on Maemo | 20:41 |
| GNUton | Andy80: it's quite good.. in these days it's sunny... | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Fremantle will make it easier to replace | 20:41 |
| AStorm | coreutils built with uclibc are small enough | 20:41 |
| Andy80 | GNUton: good :) | 20:41 |
| AStorm | but then, the device *is slow* | 20:41 |
| AStorm | building perl took quite long, some 20 minutes | 20:41 |
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| AStorm | or not exactly perl, but some package from perl I required | 20:42 |
| AStorm | tons of stuff from CPAN | 20:42 |
| AStorm | it's all slow (due to tests) | 20:42 |
| AStorm | should use a cross compiler instead somewhere else | 20:43 |
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| Andy80 | GNUton: have you published/linked your slides in the wiki? :) | 20:43 |
| AStorm | but unfortunately Debian doesn't like cross | 20:44 |
| AStorm | there's no way to build a package w/o a full system | 20:44 |
| AStorm | :> | 20:44 |
| GNUton | Andy80: not yet.. | 20:44 |
| AStorm | so, it boils down to T2 SDE and Gentoo | 20:44 |
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| Andy80 | GNUton: in wich city are you? is it funny or just cold and boring? | 20:46 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: if I could somehow rig distcc to only build on a remote machine, now that would be better, but not good enough still | 20:48 |
| johnx | linking would still have to happen on the device, and so would autotools | 20:50 |
| GNUton | Andy80: I'm in Helsinki.. it guess it's quite funny if you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends.. if you spend all your time behind a pc.. It's not very fun.. | 20:50 |
| ion_cu_vaca | so, I made a test app in eclipse using maemo sdk wmware. compiles and runs fine in soapbox. what do I change now to compile for the tablet? | 20:50 |
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| johnx | ion_cu_vaca, compile for the armel target in scratchbox | 20:51 |
| ion_cu_vaca | I know that I have to do that, I don't know how to do it | 20:52 |
| GNUton | ion_cu_vaca: ok, It's a good starting point :P | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | GNUton: well... then I hope you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends :) (if you don't have one, there should be enough girls there!! :D) | 20:55 |
| GNUton | Andy80: I've got a wonderful girl, but unfortunately she's in Italy.. :( | 20:56 |
| Andy80 | GNUton: doh! :( | 20:56 |
| Jaredu | heh | 20:57 |
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| lardman | jott: you still about? | 21:08 |
| lardman | jott: I did svn update and still the same error! | 21:08 |
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| jott | lardman: hmmm strange. let me do a clean checkout. | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | Maybe if you tell me the exact problem I will locate you the missing function that you can paste in? | 21:21 |
| jott | lardman: still compiles fine. http://slexy.org/raw/s21DCIwnGw <- these are the only changes i made to svn | 21:22 |
| jott | (r1419 obviously) | 21:22 |
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| jott | and then ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-hildon && make | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | Maybe you have different Maemo SDKs? | 21:23 |
| jott | maybe you miss some strange dependency that i have installed and the configure script isn't looking for? | 21:23 |
| RST38h | BTW http://exiledonline.com/daily-inquisition-bugs-bunny-as-role-model/#more-1212 | 21:23 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:25 |
| ion_cu_vaca | woo hoo! works! compiled for armel, transfered with scp and works from first try! | 21:25 |
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| lardman | I wonder if I'm checking out from the right place then? | 21:25 |
| jott | svn co https://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/navit/trunk <- as on the navit homepage | 21:26 |
| lardman | yeah, I thought that's what I used | 21:26 |
| lardman | I'll go again | 21:26 |
| Navi | Damn you all and your navi highlighting ways | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi | 21:27 |
| johnx | ion_cu_vaca, great. glad it worked. did you have to change something in eclipse? | 21:27 |
| jott | Navi: check for navi[\s:,] ;) | 21:27 |
| lardman | :D | 21:27 |
| Navi | You got my hopes up | 21:27 |
| Navi | I thought someone actually wanted to talk to me ._. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, sorry. | 21:28 |
| Navi | 21:28 | |
| jott | Navi: just compile navit it will make you feel better :P | 21:28 |
| Navi | Doubt it | 21:29 |
| jott | you haven't even tried :P | 21:29 |
| lardman | :) so true | 21:29 |
| Navi | Unless they've modeled Navit after Navi | 21:29 |
| Navi | Hey! Turn left in five seconds! | 21:29 |
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| Navi | Listen! A stop sign is five meters away! | 21:29 |
| johnx | if you miss a turn a flashing little faerie flies all over the screen obscuring your map | 21:30 |
| Navi | Look! Turn left... NOW! | 21:30 |
| jott | Navi: sure, your nit glows in the dark and i bet you can make it even use flite to make it talk to you ;) | 21:30 |
| Navi | :( | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:30 |
| Navi | It's not the same | 21:30 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like I pulled from somewhere else, certainly didn't have a trunk | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a Navi voice for flite. | 21:30 |
| jott | lardman: ah does it work now? | 21:31 |
| lardman | not sure yet, waiting for it to pull "trunk/navit/navit/script/osm2navit_sea/data" | 21:31 |
| ion_cu_vaca | johnx, yes. menu Project->Propreties->ESBox build target->DIABLO_ARMEL | 21:31 |
| johnx | ion_cu_vaca, cool. now I'll be able to answer the next person using eclipse :) | 21:31 |
| * lardman twiddles his thumbs waiting for svn | 21:37 | |
| lardman | and decides to go and have a drink | 21:37 |
| * RST38h read it as "go and have a trunk" | 21:41 | |
| * moontiger laughs | 21:41 | |
| RST38h | svn to blame. | 21:41 |
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| * Jaffa gets outbid on an old 770 with Navicore on eBay. May have to look at some reverse engineering fun on the Wayfinder format | 21:44 | |
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| RST38h | it's encrypted afaik | 21:44 |
| RST38h | so happy hacking | 21:45 |
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| Jaffa | Hopefully, the market conditions next summer'll mean navigaation has to be bundled; given phones are including built-in mavigation. | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | Bah. | 21:45 |
| johnx | don't nokia's own phones already include navigation? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | yes, but you have to pay | 21:46 |
| * keesj hopes that this includes software from a known navigation thingy company | 21:46 | |
| RST38h | and you pay for the "service" i.e. on constant basis | 21:46 |
| * RST38h bets on Google improving Mobile Gmaps to have decent navigation and pushing all these greedy motherfuckers out of the market | 21:47 | |
| johnx | keesj, I think Nokia owns the makers of wayfinder now. I doubt they'll go with someone else | 21:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How's OSM navigation? | 21:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Think they'll ever get to the point where offline turn-by-turn would be workable? | 21:48 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it depends on if anyone has made maps of your area I suppose | 21:48 |
| RST38h | OSM is useless pretty much anywhere but US | 21:50 |
| keesj | what is OSM? | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine by me. :P | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Where it uses TIGER data afaik | 21:50 |
| johnx | openstreetmap | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Street_Map | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~osm is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Street_Map | 21:50 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 21:50 |
| keesj | oke... | 21:50 |
| RST38h | General: TIGER isn't very precise to begin with - it has not been collected for navigation | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=5139 | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 21:52 |
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| jott | osm data for berlin is really good. | 21:52 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: navit supports turn-by-turn with osm data :) | 21:52 |
| jott | (not sure how good though) | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Kot: I am currently suspecting Ubuntu of killing my HD | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | killbuntu | 21:53 |
| RST38h | The way it starts and stops it every few seconds can't be good | 21:53 |
| johnx | yeah, osm is pretty bare around here...which means 100 times better than the coverage of wayfinder | 21:54 |
| RST38h | ah, screw the wayfinder... | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | rst38h: that's i think is the problem of any distro | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | even windows | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Windows does not appear to do it too often | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | stupid parkeverysecond idea | 21:54 |
| RST38h | I set it to ~5 minutes and this is how it does it | 21:54 |
| jott | RST38h: there was a bug in an older ubuntu version... afair. | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | because windows accesses disk all the time | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can try using ftool if it's a hitachi | 21:55 |
| RST38h | jott: Any references or fixes? I keep mine up to date though... | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | or firmware flash | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Toshiba | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 21:55 |
| jott | RST38h: i think this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695 | 21:55 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | then you have hdparm -S | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Tried that, looks ok so far | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | and power management too | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | -B | 21:56 |
| * RST38h read the page. Evil stuff | 21:59 | |
| jott | indeed. | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/09/26/o.improve.your.marriage/index.html | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:59 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: will join you with the rev eng effort | 22:00 |
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| lardman | then again with 3G connection, may as well just use Google routing for free on the next device! | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can already do that. :P | 22:02 |
| lardman | yeah, expensive as it is though | 22:02 |
| jott | does it really work? like when you drive the wrong way it instantly corrects the directions? | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | if you mean maemo-mapper, it does not work very well on directions | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not as fast as a real navigator. | 22:03 |
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| lardman | RST38h: that's the google backend though | 22:05 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: really, most of the ones I've seen need a few seconds at least to think about it | 22:05 |
| lardman | jott: aargh, same error | 22:06 |
| lardman | jott: In function `navit_window_items_open':navit.c:(.text+0x36c0): undefined reference to `map_get_filename' | 22:07 |
| jott | lardman: hmmm well only thing i see now is that you miss some dependencies.. :/ | 22:08 |
| lardman | hmm, that's in map.c though, in the main program | 22:09 |
| jott | http://slexy.org/raw/s20GbczSeP <- fwiw | 22:09 |
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| lardman | or rather it's in map.h, not in map.c | 22:09 |
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| jott | still strange that you get a linker error.. | 22:10 |
| lardman | do you have the fn in question declared in map.h and implemented in map.c? | 22:11 |
| jott | mmh no :O | 22:11 |
| lardman | hmm | 22:11 |
| lardman | I checked out from the url you have above - was different to my first checkout | 22:12 |
| lardman | so you have nothing in map.h? | 22:12 |
| lardman | nothing related anyway | 22:12 |
| jott | just the char *map_get_filename(struct map *this_); in map.h | 22:12 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder how you got it to link then? | 22:13 |
| jott | heh. it just did. | 22:13 |
| jott | maybe you could just comment out the line in navit/navit.c ... it seems to be just a dbg message anyway | 22:14 |
| lardman | yeah, still weird though | 22:14 |
| nemo | so. did you guys catch that Fennec installs nicely on a Nokia N8x0 now? | 22:15 |
| lardman | oh right, and does it run nicely? | 22:15 |
| jott | lardman: indeed. esp. that it compiles and runs here... | 22:15 |
| jott | yeah looks quite ok to me. | 22:15 |
| lardman | jott: if I comment that line it compiles ok | 22:15 |
| jott | hm still mysterious.. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | nemo, that's been the case for a while. | 22:16 |
| nemo | GeneralAntilles: reallly. | 22:16 |
| jott | maybe dbg is a macro? | 22:16 |
| nemo | GeneralAntilles: hrm. so I guess apart from this Milestone 8, nothing else is new | 22:16 |
| lardman | jott: yeah, I was wondering that | 22:16 |
| nemo | GeneralAntilles: I thought it was still in crashy alpha territory before. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | nemo, the N8x0 is the original Fennec demo device. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, running doesn't have a lot to do with installing. :P | 22:17 |
| lardman | jott: anyway, will try it a bit later on | 22:17 |
| nemo | GeneralAntilles: oh. oops. "runs nicely" :-p | 22:17 |
| johnx | runs nicely? /me jumps to try it | 22:17 |
| nemo | http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/09/fennec-m8/ - I was just reading this thingy is all | 22:17 |
| nemo | oh. no plugins though :( | 22:17 |
| johnx | plugins will come later I'm sure | 22:18 |
| johnx | it's what makes firefox, firefox :) | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:18 |
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| jott | lardman: yeah as long as it compiles now you can finally go and mess with it :) | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | xul is really heavy. | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | although i'll be happy with properly rendering every page | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | and fast | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:18 |
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| nemo | johnx: um. not addons. plugins | 22:20 |
| nemo | johnx: flash vs, say, firebug. | 22:20 |
| johnx | ah, then I care even less. woo! | 22:20 |
| johnx | saves me disabling flash on my own | 22:20 |
| nemo | johnx: flash is number one source of firefox crashes :) | 22:21 |
| johnx | and general slowness and focus stealing and johnx annoyance | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Top | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | top | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | top | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | top | 22:21 |
| jott | flash is number of source of all linux based browser crashes :) | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ MicroB | 22:21 |
| jott | one | 22:21 |
| nemo | jott: blows up windows a lot too | 22:21 |
| johnx | mac os x users have no love for it either | 22:22 |
| jott | actually i really hope html5 will make flash disappear forever :) | 22:22 |
| johnx | ahaha | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it doesn't crash my browser. | 22:22 |
| johnx | it survived the dotcom crash...I don't think it will ever go away | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just brings it to a screeching halt for about 30 seconds with certain applets. | 22:22 |
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| jott | google has the power of youtube. and 95% of the end-users use flash just because of youtube :) | 22:23 |
| jott | so if google offers html5 video rendering... :) | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | youtube can be used with js + mplayer | 22:23 |
| jott | KotCzarny: bleh. | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:23 |
| jott | KotCzarny: it can be used with wget too | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:23 |
| jott | and telnet | 22:24 |
| jott | and what ever | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | + mplayer | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:24 |
| jott | still this is well below 0.0001% of users :) | 22:24 |
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| KotCzarny | that's only because they have it easy | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | the majority | 22:25 |
| johnx | "Why back in my day..." *shakes cane* | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | sugar cane daddy? | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:25 |
| jott | yeah, that's why html5 at least brings chances to destroy flash hegemony. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | :) | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | :) | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | :) | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | if someone invents on-the-fly swf2html5 converter.. | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | then it could work | 22:26 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: try to get some KotCzarny style extra lines? ;> | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | jott, don't use smileys, or you will be next ;) | 22:26 |
| jott | KotCzarny: i use many smileys but not on a separate line ;) | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | jott: like it does matter :) | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | smiley is a smiley | 22:27 |
| jott | KotCzarny: http://outpo.st/irc/ :P | 22:27 |
| lardman | so we reckon Fennec works? | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, it's still slow. | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | seriosusly? | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | i'm first? | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 22:27 |
| lardman | yeah, was in the other room sorry, multitasking! | 22:28 |
| jott | still, not even counted your "comeback" :) | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | and i wasn't even active in the last few months | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott: rig the fucking stats so that I get cursing award please :p | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spam | 22:28 |
| jott | yeah but lcuk beats the shit out of your word count ;) | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | jott: btw. pisg allows sorting by wordcount too | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:28 |
| johnx | lulz...my bt headphones crashed | 22:28 |
| jott | KotCzarny: yeah. | 22:29 |
| jott | maybe add support to sort by smiley count :P | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's there already | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | 'is happy/unhappy' | 22:30 |
| jott | maybe smileys are counted at least | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Smiley-only lines count negative. | 22:30 |
| jott | hah | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | chelli brings happiness to the world. 49.2% lines contained smiling faces. :) | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, it doesn't matter | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody likes spammers anyway. | 22:31 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: have to poke mgedmin again. | 22:31 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: says the #2 ;) | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:32 |
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| KotCzarny | ga will be very bad husband | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | according to the article i posted | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | with all his stuckness to being stiff | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | and hatred to nonverbal communication | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:33 |
| * qwerty12_N800 misread stiff part. sorry. | 22:33 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:33 |
| johnx | I like the idea of non-verbal communications over IRC | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:34 |
| johnx | we can just sit here and make faces at our computers | 22:34 |
| johnx | or...no verbs? just nouns and adjectives? | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | urls | 22:34 |
| Fatal | although, the effect of a good *headdesk* is lost over irc :/ | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | *headkb* could get through | 22:35 |
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| johnx | oh man, I like the look of fennec on epaper :) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not into the non-native UI. | 22:38 |
| jott | johnx: scrolling is probably not so funny.. | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The end result seems to be bloat (xul) and poor integration. | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | isn't epaper limited to some cycle count? | 22:39 |
| * jott just tried to start it. | 22:39 | |
| jott | still at 100% cpu | 22:39 |
| johnx | jott, I assume they have some kind of intelligent trick to deal with scrolling on epaper | 22:39 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, tried it yet? | 22:39 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, try it first. then you have much more authority to bash it later. | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:41 |
| jott | it's slow. this i can tell for running it a few seconds :) | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, tried the last version. | 22:41 |
| jott | but the interface seems nice. | 22:41 |
| jott | (of course not integrated) | 22:42 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well apparently they improved lots of things. Anyways, I'll give you the analysis vs midori .21 in a sec | 22:42 |
| jott | and it's buggy :D | 22:42 |
| jott | the url bar floats like 50 pixel blow the top | 22:43 |
| johnx | and it's a 9.5MB download O_o | 22:43 |
| johnx | ok, that's skeery | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | xul | 22:43 |
| johnx | probably debug symbols too | 22:44 |
| jott | yeah they should just dump xul :) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it wouldn't work then. | 22:44 |
| jott | it was a bad idea in the first place ;) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interface is xul. | 22:44 |
| johnx | yeah, considering how they're moving towards desktop integration everywhere | 22:44 |
| jott | yeah, that's why it's so sluggish :) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "integration" | 22:44 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, that's their stated goal, and xul won't help them with it | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like "xul still sucks at pretending it's native". :P | 22:45 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think we're agreeing :) | 22:45 |
| jott | bleh not even +/- keys work | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, sorry. | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just really hate Firefox's non-native widgets. | 22:45 |
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| * jott waves fennec "goodbye" | 22:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, jott tried it, can I use his experience to justify my bashing? :D | 22:47 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you can use mine in a sec | 22:47 |
| johnx | unless I love it | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weee neeeed neeeew seeeerveeeers | 22:47 |
| johnx | a recent version of opera might be nice to have around... | 22:48 |
| jott | johnx: you love it for about 2 secs, as the default theme looks quite nice. when you start using it your opinion will change quite rapidly :) | 22:48 |
| jott | yeah a recent opera would be great. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want an updated MicroB. | 22:49 |
| johnx | jott, you have an n810, right? | 22:49 |
| jott | yes | 22:49 |
| johnx | you'll like it more than me I think | 22:49 |
| johnx | no onscreen keyboard on the n800 | 22:49 |
| jott | hah no keyboard? | 22:49 |
| johnx | and...fail | 22:49 |
| jott | haha | 22:49 |
| jott | just surf the mozilla.org startpage :D | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | or start xvkbd | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, can you guys just use Extras-devel? | 22:50 |
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| jott | na, that would be too much appreciation. | 22:50 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: for fennec? | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 22:50 |
| jott | yeah would make sense. | 22:50 |
| dougt | mind commenting on a bug, if I open one? | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, sure. | 22:51 |
| lardman | I get an error about not being able to find a compatible GRE | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think a lot of people will want xulrunner even if they don't use Fennec, anyway. | 22:51 |
| johnx | gah, I really like the idea behind it...it's such a neat idea. I guess I'll wait until things get a little more polished in a later milestone | 22:51 |
| dougt | right. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Fennec isn't even actually an alpha yet is it? | 22:51 |
| dougt | no | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, there you go. ;) | 22:52 |
| dougt | and there is a lot of stuff between alpha and release. | 22:52 |
| jott | yeah well it needs to get atleast 3-4 times as fast to be usable .. | 22:52 |
| jott | not sure how much potential is there with the current code base.. | 22:52 |
| dougt | jott: there was a significant problem discovered w/ sites with flash. | 22:53 |
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| dougt | the flash that ships w/ the device is pretty busted. | 22:53 |
| jott | yeah well i don't care for flash :) | 22:53 |
| dougt | jott: nor do i, but is found and used. | 22:53 |
| jott | but the ui itself, like the tabs and url bar. | 22:53 |
| johnx | ah, there goes the keyboard! w00! | 22:53 |
| jott | and bookmarks. all is very very sluggish at the moment. | 22:54 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: http://tinyurl.com/3escd3 | 22:54 |
| dougt | ^ bugzilla prefilled for you. | 22:54 |
| dougt | jott: yup. | 22:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles registers an account. | 22:54 | |
| dougt | it is. | 22:54 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: please cc' me. | 22:54 |
| jott | how many people work on fennec? | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guided is somewhat less than appropriate for this bug. | 22:58 |
| dougt | jott: 6 or so | 22:59 |
| johnx | well, it's definitely great progress from earlier milestones | 22:59 |
| dougt | jott: on the shoulders of the firefox giants. | 23:00 |
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| jott | hm what's also quite annoying is that you always get to the left/right menus when not scrolling 100% vertical. | 23:02 |
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| jott | well let's wait for 1.0 ;) | 23:03 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:03 |
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| AStorm | could someone refresh that pidgin with newer libgadu? | 23:04 |
| AStorm | or at least newer pidgin | 23:04 |
| AStorm | this version (2.4.3) fails to download contacts :> | 23:04 |
| jott | why don't you do it AStorm ? | 23:04 |
| AStorm | because I have no scratchbox ready | 23:05 |
| AStorm | and there are probably no source debs for 2.5.1 to just upload to the builder | 23:05 |
| jott | poor excuse :d | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | hi astorm | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:05 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: hello | 23:05 |
| AStorm | build me newer pidgin (vs diablo), please | 23:06 |
| AStorm | or help me find one | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | no diablo on my sb/n800 | 23:06 |
| AStorm | anyway, the one for chinook works | 23:06 |
| AStorm | so you can build against that too | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you are still without sbox? | 23:06 |
| AStorm | I have one, but not prepared for building | 23:07 |
| AStorm | just unpacked etc. | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | but it's just a matter of running one script | 23:07 |
| AStorm | step-by-step guide to sbox would be very appreciated | 23:07 |
| AStorm | which? | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | let's try.. | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~sbox | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~scratchbox | 23:07 |
| infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ | 23:07 |
| AStorm | wrong | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~sdk | 23:08 |
| infobot | Software Development Kit | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 23:08 |
| AStorm | ~howto scratchbox | 23:08 |
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| AStorm | nah | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~open sesame | 23:08 |
| infobot | IMHO, you should get down with the genie. | 23:08 |
| jott | AStorm for installing or using it? | 23:08 |
| AStorm | both | 23:08 |
| AStorm | installing less, as I already have it | 23:08 |
| jott | i mean the sdk install instructions are fine. | 23:08 |
| jott | and the maemo 4.1 documentation is not that bad. | 23:08 |
| jott | or "reference manual" | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | there is a script | 23:09 |
| jott | actually there is not much about using scratchbox for most cases. | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | and in install you have a line to start installed sbox | 23:09 |
| AStorm | yeah, new sdk | 23:09 |
| RST38h | MOSH is spamming me with surveys | 23:09 |
| AStorm | jott: well, I need that, I haven't packed a .deb in some 10 years | 23:10 |
| RST38h | How low have the fallen! | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | rst38h: crosspost them | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Urgh | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Kot: And they are spamming in Russian, too. | 23:10 |
| jott | AStorm: but that's more about debian packaging than scratchbox. | 23:10 |
| AStorm | well | 23:10 |
| AStorm | that is what scratchbox is used for | 23:11 |
| AStorm | :P | 23:11 |
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| AStorm | maemo is debian ;P | 23:11 |
| * RST38h sighs and restarts the NXC2600 board | 23:11 | |
| KotCzarny | no it's not | 23:11 |
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| KotCzarny | it uses dpkg and stuff | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | but it's not a debian | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | debian can't use closed stuff | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:12 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 23:12 |
| AStorm | ok, say, debian-based | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | better | 23:12 |
| AStorm | or debian offshoot | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | debian spawn? | 23:12 |
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| AStorm | anyway, it looks like debian to me | 23:12 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, what is debian non-free? | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: but it's not provided by default? | 23:13 |
| AStorm | who cares about defaults ;P | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | only because users need them | 23:13 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Debian maintainers would tear you apart for saying such things | 23:13 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, nope. but it's provided by the debian people | 23:13 |
| AStorm | RST38h: I know, because they're friggin zealots | 23:13 |
| johnx | AStorm, and maemo isn't debian just because of the non-free stuff. It's not debian because it's not compatible in naming or packaging | 23:13 |
| RST38h | yep | 23:13 |
| AStorm | johnx: yes | 23:13 |
| AStorm | but it's definitely debian-based | 23:13 |
| johnx | definitely | 23:13 |
| johnx | or it was at one point. :) Now it's diverged painfully | 23:14 |
| AStorm | anyway, I need that pidgin quick (as in, in about 4 hours) | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | you should make it | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:14 |
| AStorm | yes, but.... how? :) | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | first | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | get to sbox | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Fucking shit | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | then dpkg -x or something on pidgin-src.deb | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Unbelievable | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | then fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:15 |
| RST38h | It is running!!! | 23:15 |
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| KotCzarny | rst38h: who? | 23:15 |
| johnx | RST38h, why? | 23:16 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: is there source deb for pidgin 2.5.1? | 23:16 |
| AStorm | AKA latest release? | 23:16 |
| johnx | AStorm, debian probably has one | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | 2.5.0-1 | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=pidgin | 23:16 |
| AStorm | 2.5.0 is ok too I think | 23:17 |
| AStorm | assuming it has that fixed gadugadu | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | but prepare for dependency hell | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | dependancy? | 23:17 |
| AStorm | eh, I can fix those... maybe | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Kot: VGBA. On the NXC2600 board. 6" screen. | 23:17 |
| johnx | AStorm, I would backport just what you need, if I were you | 23:17 |
| AStorm | dependency is correct spelling | 23:17 |
| RST38h | johnx: Because I ported it | 23:17 |
| AStorm | johnx: impossible, architectural changes | 23:17 |
| johnx | AStorm, ick | 23:18 |
| johnx | AStorm, good luck O_o | 23:18 |
| AStorm | guess why I need 2.5 | 23:18 |
| RST38h | johnx: More or less recompiled it, really | 23:18 |
| RST38h | + added SDL glue layer | 23:18 |
| AStorm | someone did hildonize 2.4.3 somewhat | 23:18 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 23:18 |
| AStorm | well, a backport of that gg fixes would be great | 23:18 |
| johnx | RST38h, pretty cool. BTW, I'll try out your new VGBA on the train tomorrow :) | 23:18 |
| AStorm | but finding the actual fix will be hard | 23:19 |
| AStorm | I see no svn there | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt__, @gmail.com ? | 23:20 |
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| dougt__ | doug.turner@gmail.com | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457307 | 23:21 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: do you have a solution for using GG from the device? | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | ekg | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | wanna binary? | 23:22 |
| AStorm | unworkable, not responsive to touchscreen | 23:22 |
| AStorm | we need clicky thing there | 23:22 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | 'we' ? | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:22 |
| AStorm | teh users ;P | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | fsck the users :P | 23:23 |
| AStorm | that was royal we | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | let them learn :P | 23:23 |
| dougt__ | GeneralAntilles: ty | 23:23 |
| AStorm | yeah learn | 23:23 |
| AStorm | and abuse the keyboard | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | gg is about typing messages, right? | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | and reading them | 23:23 |
| AStorm | it's much faster to use the screen | 23:23 |
| AStorm | instead of abusing that small n810 keyboard | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | johnx: =) | 23:24 |
| AStorm | ekg especially sucks with many contacts | 23:24 |
| AStorm | :> | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | scrub them | 23:24 |
| AStorm | yeah sure | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | go quality | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | over quantity | 23:24 |
| AStorm | I can't scrub them | 23:24 |
| AStorm | these are the core | 23:24 |
| AStorm | which are a bit over 50 | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | but are they hard core? | 23:25 |
| AStorm | yes | 23:25 |
| AStorm | I could maybe drop 2 of them | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a console freak | 23:26 |
| AStorm | console is not comfortable ein such a device | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | i use pidging only because i have yet to find nice ncurses aim client | 23:26 |
| AStorm | *enough in | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | for me it is | 23:26 |
| AStorm | centericq? | 23:26 |
| AStorm | (yes, it supports AIM) | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | is it big? | 23:27 |
| AStorm | no | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | thx, i'll check it later | 23:27 |
| AStorm | but touchscreen is so much better than most of those "portable" input devices | 23:27 |
| AStorm | and it's even sometimes better than the real keyboard | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | well | 23:27 |
| AStorm | definitely better than mouse | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | that's only if app isn't broken | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | and tuned for mouse or kb | 23:28 |
| AStorm | how do you tune for mouse? :P | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | rmb | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 23:28 |
| AStorm | abuse right and middle click? | 23:28 |
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| AStorm | :P | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:28 |
| AStorm | yes, next-gen nokia device should have doublesided pen :> | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | or mind reader, perhaps? | 23:29 |
| AStorm | mind reader is too hard just yet | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | there were some successfull attepmpts | 23:29 |
| AStorm | but reading front and back of the stylus differently is easier | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | not that much | 23:30 |
| AStorm | although it would actually need a multitouch | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | it's not magnetic | 23:30 |
| AStorm | hmmmh | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | so it can't distinguish | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | like it can in wacoms | 23:30 |
| AStorm | no need for magnetic, shape is different | 23:30 |
| AStorm | even resistance is | 23:30 |
| johnx | ah, it distinguishes finger from stylus so well already... </sarcasm> | 23:30 |
| AStorm | ;P | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:31 |
| AStorm | not too well | 23:31 |
| johnx | yeah, only kinda | 23:31 |
| AStorm | it could, but isn't precise enough | 23:31 |
| johnx | I can get it about 70% of the time | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | headtouch | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:31 |
| AStorm | hehe | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | well, more like headbang | 23:31 |
| AStorm | but then, you could use two different materials in stylus | 23:31 |
| AStorm | with huge resistance difference | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, i know only from my experience with current implementation | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | it can definitely get size | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | and fake multitouch | 23:32 |
| johnx | AStorm, so switch to a capacitive screen? | 23:32 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:32 |
| AStorm | so it can fake eraser | 23:32 |
| AStorm | not necessarily | 23:32 |
| AStorm | but that would make it easier, yes | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | it would be nice to tune rmb-delay on press | 23:33 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:33 |
| keesj | i fake multi-touch using buttons and it works great | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | keesj: but can you rock? | 23:34 |
| AStorm | using buttons? nah | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | and roll.. | 23:34 |
| AStorm | buttons aren't good enough | 23:34 |
| lardman | well navit is apparently working (displays maps at least), time to see if its coord system is offset like the last time | 23:34 |
| lardman | must reboot, gf wants ipod to have some songs loaded, bbl | 23:34 |
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| AStorm | reminds me I should check if mapper finished downloading | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor lardman. . . . | 23:34 |
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| AStorm | huh what? he has to reboot to upload to ipod? | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | reboot to win xp i guess | 23:39 |
| AStorm | what for? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | for syncing | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | itunes fan? | 23:40 |
| AStorm | available for Linux too? :P | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 23:40 |
| jott | works fine.. | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | but then windowsish one would get out of sync | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | b0rken design | 23:40 |
| jott | even better as you don't have to import you collection into itunes first. | 23:40 |
| AStorm | oh well | 23:40 |
| AStorm | broken design with worm-ridden apple logo | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | it would scream about missing tunes | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | media libraries are evil | 23:41 |
| jott | yeah i could imagine it would even delete the song locally :) | 23:41 |
| jott | if you set itunes to "manage my songs" | 23:41 |
| jott | well media libraries are good if not borked by some stupid design decisions ... | 23:42 |
| AStorm | yeah, media libraries are spawns of hell | 23:42 |
| AStorm | I like my filesystem | 23:43 |
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| jott | media libraries fail only for people who are not able to tag their stuff properly :P | 23:43 |
| AStorm | esp. compulsory media libraries | 23:43 |
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| sneakret | grr | 23:43 |
| AStorm | no, I have the tracks tagged properly too | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | jott, i like my tunes tagged by folders/names, thank you :P | 23:43 |
| AStorm | but, adding these to media lib is waste of time | 23:43 |
| jott | like "madona" "MadONNA" "MaDDona from KAZZA1" | 23:43 |
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| sneakret | ^W in xchat is not backward-word-delete. It closes the window. | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | not some redundant centralized junk | 23:43 |
| AStorm | sneakret: well, that's the default GTK shortcut for "close tab" | 23:44 |
| sneakret | File systems need to be better indexed. | 23:44 |
| AStorm | sneakret: you mean like beagle? ;P | 23:44 |
| sneakret | AStorm: Yeah. It's the default in Windows. | 23:44 |
| sneakret | too | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | in linux too | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | at least in firefox | 23:44 |
| RST38h | jott: Fortunately I have no such dilemma | 23:44 |
| sneakret | Yeah. :( | 23:44 |
| lcuk | hey! stop trying to catch me up | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 23:44 |
| RST38h | jott: No Madonna in my mp3 library, however you speel it =) | 23:44 |
| sneakret | unfortunately if you switch between shell and GUI, that ^W is pretty nasty | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | i have stopped trying to catch up with a backlog | 23:45 |
| sneakret | s/shell/console/ | 23:45 |
| infobot | sneakret meant: unfortunately if you switch between console and GUI, that ^W is pretty nasty | 23:45 |
| sneakret | Thanks, infobot. | 23:45 |
| AStorm | jott: most broken apps are those that can't even play files w/o adding them to media lib | 23:45 |
| jott | RST38h: hah you just try to hide it :) | 23:45 |
| AStorm | this is brain damage | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:45 |
| lcuk | evening | 23:45 |
| jott | well works for me. :) | 23:45 |
| sneakret | anyway... I'm not familiar with beagle. | 23:45 |
| AStorm | I want to try a few tracks out before I remove them... so then I get to delete them twice | 23:45 |
| lcuk | thanks to booze my tooth no longer hurts \o/ | 23:45 |
| jott | hey lcuk. | 23:45 |
| jott | more booze! | 23:46 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, i told you need disinfection | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
| * lcuk will NOT be coding this evening | 23:46 | |
| AStorm | sneakret: it's the indexing engine, fairly well integrated with Gnome and KDE | 23:46 |
| AStorm | uses inotify | 23:46 |
| sneakret | Cool. | 23:46 |
| RST38h | Alcogolics Anonymous againt the Dental Industry | 23:46 |
| lcuk | yer, good job the dentist wasnt drunk | 23:46 |
| AStorm | ah, they use alcohol as a disinfectant? | 23:46 |
| sneakret | This beagle was pretty well indexed. It showed up in a google search for beagle: http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/nature/wallpapers/beagle-puppy.jpg | 23:46 |
| AStorm | hehehehe | 23:46 |
| lcuk | thou im sure in a past job he was a tunnel engineer | 23:47 |
| AStorm | sneakret: google for beagle search engine | 23:47 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, remember to floss. : | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: a dwarf? | 23:47 |
| AStorm | sneakret: http://beagle-project.org/ | 23:47 |
| lcuk | the size of hole i couldv flossed with cat56 | 23:47 |
| lcuk | -6 | 23:47 |
| AStorm | GAN800: flossing is overrated | 23:47 |
| AStorm | just brush teeth after every meal as recommended | 23:47 |
| sneakret | Actually, beagle search engine is the top hit on google. | 23:47 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, not if you like your teeth. | 23:48 |
| AStorm | sneakret: lol | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | Brushing misses a lot | 23:48 |
| sneakret | I just wanted to share the picture of the beagle. :) | 23:48 |
| AStorm | not if done properly | 23:48 |
| sneakret | It was cute! | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | and brushing after every meal is bad for your enamel. | 23:48 |
| AStorm | hmmm... [citation needed] | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | snoopy is a beagle too | 23:48 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:48 |
| lcuk | astorm, its an abrasive | 23:48 |
| sneakret | snoopy isn't as cute as that one though. | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, there's no 'proper' way that'll get between teeth. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | flushing | 23:49 |
| sneakret | "Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space to find whatever you're looking for." | 23:49 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, acid in food softens your teeth | 23:49 |
| sneakret | ransack has some negative connotations to me. It implies that things are left in disarray. | 23:49 |
| GAN800 | Takes at least 30 minutes to harden back up. | 23:49 |
| AStorm | obviously, but then, fluoride hardens them | 23:49 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:49 |
| sneakret | but it's funny | 23:49 |
| AStorm | so you shouldn't use full power etc. | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | our civilization is going to end soon anyway | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | so what's the point | 23:49 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| AStorm | anyway, modern toothbrush does get between teeth if used correctly | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | No they don't. | 23:50 |
| lcuk | if im gonna become a savage im gonna at least have fresh minty breath | 23:50 |
| AStorm | GAN800: again, [citation needed] | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | Not unless you have giant gaps between your teeth. | 23:50 |
| AStorm | you contradict my dentist's advice | 23:50 |
| sneakret | If you eat enough altoids, you can have fresh minty pee, too. | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, cite your own 'facts'. | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | dentists are part of white mafia | 23:51 |
| sneakret | I dare someone to ask me to prove that one. ;) | 23:51 |
| lcuk | nothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | they are going to make you buy products | 23:51 |
| GAN800 | AStorm, well, this is from my own dentist and a hygenist. | 23:51 |
| GAN800 | sneakret, Altoids are bad for your teeth, sadly. | 23:51 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 23:51 |
| AStorm | yes, they are sugar | 23:51 |
| sneakret | "nothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing" <- that was worthy of being quoted. | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | how about linux folks trying to sing? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | together | 23:52 |
| lcuk | sneakret, im sure ive made many more quotable lines :) | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
| sneakret | can't be as bad as RMS singing. | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | pms singing | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | singing with pms | 23:53 |
| jott | sneakret: it could be rms times "number of people singing" | 23:53 |
| AStorm | GAN800: obviously, soft fibers are recommended | 23:53 |
| jott | so it can get worse :) | 23:53 |
| AStorm | and yes, proper technique does remove most of the material from tooth gaps | 23:53 |
| AStorm | you could floss, but this can't replace brushing teeth | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's highly dependent on the person. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, who argued that flossing replaces brushing? <_< | 23:54 |
| lcuk | hey qwerty12_N800 :) dont see you around much | 23:54 |
| jott | and every free software fan should support "floss" :P | 23:54 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I've yet to see a person who flosses after brushing teeth ;P | 23:55 |
| lcuk | lol jott | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: hey :), i'm lurking more now :) | 23:55 |
| AStorm | or before | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | but m$ says oss is bad | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, must hang out with a lot of people with stinky breath, then. ;) | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | for humankind | 23:55 |
| lcuk | thats perfectly ok, just hope you are still doin ok | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800's been failing @ teh schoolz. :P | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now his parent's've got him grounded. ;) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | he got caught hazz0ring | 23:56 |
| lcuk | xx even | 23:56 |
| * lcuk cant type again | 23:56 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: yeh, i'm doing good thanks :D | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: so true >.< | 23:56 |
| lcuk | excellent | 23:56 |
| sneakret | RMS singing the free software song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BH7poMtPVU&feature=related | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haaaa | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: xx eh? | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, remember, your education is important for your future. :P | 23:56 |
| jott | joooin us noooow and shaaaare the soooooftware | 23:57 |
| AStorm | don't open that unless you want your head to explode | 23:57 |
| AStorm | or are deaf | 23:57 |
| lcuk | haxx0r | 23:57 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, horrible lies :P | 23:57 |
| jott | yeah rickrolling is out, rmsing is better :) | 23:57 |
| jott | it's more in the spirit of floss :D | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i'm trying to curb my habit of leaving things till last minute lol. rushed my coursework this morning >.< | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:58 |
| sneakret | Haha. People applauded at the end of that song! | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But procrastination is fun! | 23:58 |
| AStorm | jott: floss = Free Losing Open Source Software? | 23:58 |
| AStorm | ;) | 23:58 |
| jott | AStorm: exactly :) | 23:58 |
| jott | well | 23:58 |
| jott | not really :) | 23:58 |
| AStorm | or was that Free Licenced Open Source Software or whatever? | 23:58 |
| jott | l = libre | 23:58 |
| AStorm | Free Free? ;P | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | lucid ? | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | lurking? | 23:59 |
| AStorm | We know which licence is really free | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | lunatic? | 23:59 |
| * AStorm awaits the licence flame war | 23:59 | |
| RST38h | Freaking Lunatic | 23:59 |
| sneakret | Hey, this is kinda cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xb1miTjoE&feature=related | 23:59 |
| AStorm | what we need is for software patents to be short | 23:59 |
| AStorm | that would probably be enough | 23:59 |
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