IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-09-26

RST38hGeneral: wait until you see an article on nuclear weapons00:00
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malikulhum looks accurate to me. haha jk00:06
lardmanhmm, apparently the confgigure script still finds python2.300:07
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qwerty12_N800lardman: no --with-python= switch or the like?00:08
melmothlardman: what are you trying to install ?00:08
pcaddictis there a way to add a certificate to the list found in the wlan connectivity settings when setting up a wireless network using wpa with eap? i went into the certificates menu in the control panel and trusted the Thawte Premium certificate for wlan (i believe it was already trusted) but am still unable to select a certificate when setting up a wireless connection00:09
lardmanqwerty12_N800: looking to override it now00:09
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melmothnavit is in python ?00:09
lardmanno, it has Python bindings which don't want to compile00:10
* qwerty12_N800 wishes emesene wasn't in python :(00:10
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lardmancrapy thing, even if I override the env vars it still fails00:11
melmothlardman: did you play with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE ?00:11
* qwerty12_N800 edits configure script directly. dirty, I know but hey00:11
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lardmanno, means little to me I'm afraid00:12
melmothi once had to use that to 'override' the scracthbox idea about wich swig version it has to use00:12
lardmanqwerty12_N800: well the configure script finds python, I'd have to edit a number of Makefiles :(00:12
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lardmanI don't know why it still finds python2.300:13
qwerty12_N800mpd = king00:13
lardman  /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.300:14
melmothlardman: i had exactly the same issue with swig, it kept using the scratchbox one, even though i needed the environment to use another one.Changing path did not help00:16
melmothusing SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE did00:16
lardmanyeah, I read your ml link, too late in the evening to work that out :)00:16
lardmanthanks though, I'll look at it tomorrow00:16
lardmananyway, night all00:18
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pcaddictoops, just realized this is the wrong channel. is there a maemo support channel?00:20
melmothhmmm, support..sort of :)00:20
melmothmaemo talkabout channel :)00:20
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Pavlovwhat package is xdpyinfo in?00:23
KotCzarnycompile yourself00:24
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KotCzarnyit's part of but most of the utils are left out00:24
Pavlovis the xdamage extension part of maemo X?00:26
Pavlovthats all i really want to know00:26
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woglinde_good nite00:38
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malikulmikkov_: hey I just finished reading the documentation. I dont have my build environment to test. I choose execvp because I want to execute a command line program (this happens to be a separate c program) and have it run as its own process...completely separate from the process already running. From the docs is looks like Popen and call would not be the correct command to choose. but what about spawnvp? Also, do you have any recommen00:39
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jotthey qole found your way back to irc, eh? :)00:58
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qoleonly when I need help :D00:59
qolebegging anyone: is there a way to speed up loop0 access?01:01
GeneralAntillesBeat it with a stick.01:01
qwerty12_N800Switch to a real partition01:02
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jottset your cpufreq governor to performance? :)01:02
qoleyou know, mount /media/mmc1/file.img /opt -o loop,noatime01:03
jotthey lardman just tried navit. seems to compile fine here when replacing python with python2.5 in configure.in01:03
qoleis there something i could renice?01:03
qwerty12_N800mmcqd *possibly*01:03
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matanqole: Do you see a difference between loop performance and direct partition? There should not be a measurable difference.01:05
jottdo you use a 48mhz kernel?01:05
jott(as in patched sd/mmc driver)01:06
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qoleHUGE difference, 3x slower01:08
qoleI want a solution for average users w/ normal kernel01:08
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qoleI am using loop0 which is just 'there'... can I set up a /dev/loopX with better performance?01:10
jotti want a pony!01:10
jotti don't think so.01:10
qoleor maybe my img file can be optimized somehow?01:11
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jottmmh. i assume you use ext2/3 atm?01:12
qoleext2 image file sitting on the fat32 mmc card01:13
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malikulsoo off topic is a jetta a chick car?01:14
qoleGA: just tested, "beating with a stick" didn't speed anything up.01:14
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qolematan: why do you say there should not be a measurable difference?01:18
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qoleThe jetta is a chick car. But so is a miata.01:22
qoleI have a miata.01:22
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malikulI just totaled my car...can trade in at vw for like 2g for parts. so I have the choice between jetta or golf01:23
malikuland miata is awesome for handling01:23
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qoleseems to me that a "chick car" is better for picking up chicks anyway01:28
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mavhcyeah, to go shopping with them01:30
jottdepends on which types of chicks you want to pick up i guess ;)01:30
qoleyeah there's a whole class of girls I classify as "jeep chicks"01:32
KotCzarny4wd chicks?01:32
qoleno jeep chicks aren't necessarilyy 4WD chicks01:32
qolebut they're more fun than Jetta chicks ;)01:33
KotCzarnyon ones definition of fun :)01:34
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malikulhey I might be a jetta "chick" soon :-(01:36
malikulbut it is a nice car01:36
qoleRight, you might enjoy shoe shopping, so then a Jetta chick is for you01:37
qolemake sure you know how to use "flirty" and "strappy" in a sentence regarding footwear01:38
KotCzarnysounds perverted01:39
qoleyeah, see, that's not gonna do for a Jetta chick01:39
malikulwhat the hell is flirty foot wear?01:39
KotCzarnythis one qualifies01:40
KotCzarnyi guess01:40
KotCzarnycould use some photoshop though01:41
jottquite some time ago a friend of mine had a 2nd generation jetta. we managed to drive it with 9 people in (and on) it :>01:41
KotCzarnyjott: is that legal?01:41
jotthmm i highly doubt it :)01:41
KotCzarnyany bodies in the trunk?01:42
qoleI think I'll try jffs2, it might be faster than ext2; just gotta figure out how to mount it01:42
malikuland yeah that def qualifies a flirty foot wear01:42
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qoleseems to involve making a node01:42
KotCzarnyqole: on sd? better not01:42
KotCzarnyunless it's a small partition01:42
jottKotCzarny: haha tbh, i can't remember. we could have probably invited one more :)01:42
KotCzarnyand even then it's a bad ideq01:42
jott(or two)01:42
qolesigh, is there nothing I can do to  speed up the image file access?01:44
jottit would probably be saner to just script something with gparted to resize the main partition and add a native ext2 one :)01:44
qoleit is at least 2x slower than a standard partition01:44
KotCzarnyqole: raid ?01:45
malikulwhat class of sd are you using?01:45
malikulthat can someitmes make a sizable difference01:45
qoleclass 6 but this is for my "Easy Debian", I have no idea who will be using it01:45
qoleThe image file (mount -o loop) is just so very very slow01:46
jottqole: i would look into a guided solution in repartitioning the card ..01:46
jottlike the ubuntu installer01:46
qoleThat's my future plan, when I merge with Deblet01:47
KotCzarnyquole: add noatime ?01:47
qoleI was just hoping there was some way to squeeze more speed out of the loop file system01:47
KotCzarny-o loop,noatime01:47
qoleyes, doing that already01:47
KotCzarnymake a native partition then01:47
qolerenicing something, formatting the file differently, etc, etc01:48
KotCzarnysds are cheap01:48
GeneralAntillesJetta is totally a chick car01:48
GeneralAntillesbut it doesn't make any less awesome.01:48
qoleThe General knows about strappy footwear.01:48
jottqole: i guess just ripping the code from the ubuntu installer shouldn't be too hard.01:48
malikulQole: wasn't that picture taken by The General?01:49
qoleStskeeps is already developing an installer that handles partitioning of SD cards.01:49
GeneralAntillesmalikul, between the Golf and the Jetta, it kinda comes down to whether you want 4 doors.01:50
qoleBut my  project runs a fully configured Debian partition out of an image file.01:50
qoleI just want to see if there is ANY way to make that image file faster01:50
* Jaffa 's first car was an original 1988 Jetta.01:50
malikulqole: so your project is a configured debian boot disk that runs off the SD card?01:51
* GeneralAntilles 's first car was a 2003 New Beetle. . . .01:51
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GeneralAntilles are the events blank for anybody else?01:51
jottno upcoming events i guess :)01:52
malikulGeneral: blank for me01:52
jottmmh no rss feed contains data.01:52
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GeneralAntillesWell, there's an IRC meeting this saturday. ;)01:53
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jottyer. and bossa conference.01:53
KotCzarnyin nyc?01:53
jottnot in rl KotCzarny :)01:54
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GeneralAntilles"Sarah here from MobileMe Support. Unfortunately there is no work around for not being able to use unsupported browsers. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this may cause."01:54
* jpereiran hi!01:54
GeneralAntillesThe workaround is them not using shitty UA detection.01:54
qolemalikul: no, it chroots to the debian fs, and runs debian apps in maemo01:55
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malikulqole: have a website or online discription up?01:56
malikulapple thingie right?01:56
GeneralAntillesWhat they downgraded .mac to.01:57
JaffaAh, I see.01:57
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jottwhy use it anyway GeneralAntilles ?01:57
GeneralAntillesjott, because I've been using it since it was iTools01:57
GeneralAntillesand that email address is over half the web by now. ;)01:57
JaffaServices are all the rage - didn't you see the number of (overly optimistic) Ovi references on all the OSiM/summit stuff?01:58
GeneralAntillesand, generally speaking, it's a pretty good service01:58
GeneralAntillesthey've just gotten retarded recently with their UA detection.01:58
jottah, the classical vendor lock-in :)01:58
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qolemalikul: google the two words easy debian and choose the result from Internet Tablet Talk02:02
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GeneralAntillesqole, think I could talk you into syndicating that howto to ?02:04
GeneralAntillesand when are the server upgrades going live? :(02:04
qoleI am going to do a lot of cleanup very soon02:06
matanqole: You want one of those:
qoleI will put the deb into extras, and the howto into the wiki02:06
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matanUnfortunately, I am not sure it is trivial to integrate any of those patches to maemo kernel.02:07
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qoleDMLoop involves a new kernel. Not going to happen for my project :D02:09
qoleI assume from matan's response that the second one is a kernel hack too02:10
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qoleI will gladly accept a kernel module from anyone that will give me a turbo-boosted loop fs02:10
matanYes. The other patch changes loop to use the faster mapping that dmloop uses.02:11
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qoleVery clear from reading both of those pages that my problems are well known02:13
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qolebut seriously, is it possible to build a .ko module for the maemo kernel?02:14
qoleI mean, is it possible to build a ko module that will do this02:14
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qoleIt would be great if you could insmod fastloop.ko ; mount ... -o fastloop,noatime02:15
qole...." if you can find someone to do it..."02:16
* KotCzarny is busy, installing win xp02:16
JaffaThis is hilarious: you can skim through to any arbitrary paragraph and find much hilarity on why the EU is the home of the antichrist and will be the seat of the rapture:
GeneralAntillesAny reptilians from the 7th dimension?02:18
GeneralAntillesRemember to check your chakras for reptilians02:18
KotCzarnyjaffa, it's easy, so many muslim immigrants in .eu -> terrorists -> evil02:18
JaffaTheir FAQ is quite humourous as well: - the definition of a circular argument (or, an entirely logical consistent one if you accept the premise running throughout: "the Bible is literally true [in the bits we quote]"02:19
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JaffaKotCzarny: heh02:19
Jareduok guys02:19
Jaredui have a bad problem02:19
Jareduand one is simple to fix02:19
Jaredui think02:19
Jaredufirst off02:20
Jaredui cant access /home/user/02:20
Jaredusays permission denied, even in root02:20
Jareduxulrunner that i have installed doesnt work (its broken .91b) and fennec browser wont work02:20
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Jareduso im using buildbot but i cant access the directory or figure out how02:20
Jaredui have it in my documents folder on the device02:21
KotCzarnywhat have you done to end up in this state?02:21
Jareduso i think thats /home/user/Documents/xulrunner.tar.bz02:21
Jaredui tried installing fennec and it didnt work02:21
Jaredui checked the log from terminal trying to reinstall02:21
KotCzarnyabout that /home/user/ case02:21
Jareduand it said that it cant be configured02:21
Jaredu /home/user gives me permission denied02:21
Jaredueven as root02:22
KotCzarnyls -l /home02:22
KotCzarnywhat's the output02:22
jottqole: the "only" problem would probably be renaming some exported functions and using a different blockdev major to avoid conflicts with the compiled in loop device..02:22
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Jaredudrwxr-x--- 41 user     users     0 sept 25 17:11 user02:23
Jaredumakes no sense to me? o.O02:24
KotCzarnywell, root should have access to it anyway02:24
Jareduit doesnt :(02:24
KotCzarnyare you sure it's root ?02:24
Jaredui used sudo gainroot02:25
qolejust checked; no loop.ko file,  so its all compiled-in02:25
qolejott: if you made such a module, i could use it!02:26
KotCzarnyqole: lsmod |grep loop ?02:26
KotCzarnyjaredu: hum, i don't know, maybe gainroot is flunky02:26
KotCzarnydo you have sshd installed?02:26
Jareduany programs for gaining root?02:26
KotCzarnymay be openssh metapackage02:26
qoleKotCzarny: returns nothing02:27
matanThe fastloop patch also changes another part of the kernel (lib/prio_tree.c) which is compiled in, so there is more work there if you don't want to replace the kernel.02:27
KotCzarnyit would allow you to login as root02:27
Jareduapt-get install sshd doesnt give me anything02:27
Jareducant find package02:27
KotCzarnyjaredu: openssh02:27
Jareduone sec02:28
Jaredui had intended to set this up eventually xD02:28
Jaredui set my root pass02:28
Jareduits creating the ssh1 key02:28
Jareduhow would this help?02:28
KotCzarnyit would allow you to login as root02:29
Jareduhow so ?02:29
KotCzarnyssh root@localhost02:29
qolegonna need to reboot, my 'find' turned up a bunch of I/O errors in files :(02:29
Jaredudo you use frennec?02:29
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Jareduthe new mozilla browser thats 6x as fast as microb02:29
GeneralAntillesIt's still slow and crashy.02:30
GeneralAntillesNot worth installing.02:30
GeneralAntillesand it's only 6x as fast in some js stuff.02:30
Jareduid like to give it a shot02:30
Jareduat least have the option heh02:30
GeneralAntillesand only because it's based on a newer Firefox release than MicroB.02:30
GeneralAntillesWhich will change soon enough.02:30
Jareduon top of that my xulrunner doesn't work anyway02:30
Jaredui have .9.1b which is broken02:31
Jaredui have the buildbot for .9.5b02:31
Jaredubut i couldnt untar it :P02:31
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JaffaUI on fennec is really slow; and form entry didn't work on the version I used last week02:31
Jareduuh oh02:31
Jareducreating ssh2 dsa key; this may take some time ...02:32
Jaredurestarting openBSD secure shell server: sshd02:32
Jaredusetting up openssh (1:4.7p1-12.maemo2) ...02:32
Jareduerrors were encountered while processing: xulrunner02:32
JareduE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:32
KotCzarnygotta love dpkg02:33
Jareduwhat's it do o.o02:33
KotCzarnyone failed package and the whole sys is b0rken02:33
Jareduso... i need to flash it?02:33
KotCzarnytry removing xulrunner02:33
Jareduit wont let me02:33
Jareduit fails02:33
Jareduunable to uninstall xulrunner02:33
Jareduhow do i do that o.O02:34
KotCzarny--force-all ?02:34
Jaredui tried both application manager and apt-get remove xulrunner02:34
Jareduwhere do i add --force-all?02:34
KotCzarnyto dpkg i think02:34
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Jareduso what would the command be for xulrunner?02:35
Jareduive never used dpkg02:35
KotCzarnydpkg --remove ?02:36
KotCzarnytry --help02:36
Jareduit would be dpkg -r -force-all xulrunner02:37
Jaredutried that but it gave no output02:37
Jaredumaybe its gone?02:37
Jareduhow do i check o.O02:38
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KotCzarnydpkg -l or -q ?02:38
Jaredu-l its on the list02:38
KotCzarnybut may be in uninstalled state02:38
JaredurF xulrunner 1.9.1b1pre-20002:38
KotCzarnyyou may try --purge02:39
Jareduon dpkg -r -force-all --purge xulrunner?02:39
Jareduor dpkg --purge xulrunner02:39
Jareduits dpkg --purge xulrunner02:40
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Jareduremoving xulrunner .... segmentation fault dpkg: error processing xulrunner (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 139 errors were encountered while processing: xulrunner02:40
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Jareduill bbiab02:41
Jareduneed to eat02:41
KotCzarnyhow much you would like to learn about fixing os :)02:41
Jareduid like to flash the device?02:41
Jaredui already installed and took off android :P02:41
KotCzarnyapparently that xulrunner installation broken sys badly02:41
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Jareduill bbiab02:42
Jareduill fix it02:42
Jareduidc if i lose data02:42
Jaredui got a 4gb card w/ it all backed up02:42
Jaredui can format it though yes? :)02:42
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* lcuk smiles02:46
lcukthen winces, god this hurts!02:46
KotCzarnyanother fall?02:46
GeneralAntillesWhat'd you have, a root canal?02:46
lcukheh, no worse - was at the dentist02:46
lcukno, i think he hollowed out my entire jawbone02:47
KotCzarnycould be worse02:47
GeneralAntillesSounds fun.02:47
* lcuk needs to get implants02:47
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lcuknot yet of course, but it might be required soon02:48
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KotCzarnythe soup02:48
lcukhows KotCzarny this evening?02:49
KotCzarnyinstalling xp02:50
KotCzarnygotta sell some thinkpads from my stable02:50
lcukboo hiss02:51
lcuknot your normal boxen i hope?02:51
KotCzarnyi have moved from x32 to x4002:51
lcuk? :D02:52
lcukcats in space!02:53
KotCzarnythat's boeing02:53
KotCzarnynot thinkpad02:53
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lcukthats just bein a spoilsport :P02:55
lcukNIT went from fullbattery to dead in 4 hours - i caught it just as it was goin off, and i had disabled the net02:56
KotCzarnycpu usage?02:56
lcukmust be somethin02:56
* Jaffa *really* should go to sleep; but is too tired to get ready for bed, and has wikipedia open02:57
lcukevenin jaffa - odd time to see you around02:57
GeneralAntillesEvil wikipedia02:57
lcukdepends what you are reading to the level of evilness02:58
lcukGeneralAntilles, has your beagle recovered yet?02:59
NaviDamn that Wikipedia03:00
GeneralAntillesI tried another round the other night03:00
GeneralAntilleswithout success03:00
NaviI murdered GeneralAntilles's beagle's mother03:00
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* Jaffa must start working through a Clutter tutorial this weekend to see if his grand plan of a killer Maemo 5 app will be doable03:00
lcukballs, thats really unfortunate03:00
GeneralAntillesI need help from somebody who knows better what they're doing03:00
NaviIt's so shocked that it ceases to function03:00
GeneralAntillesbut they don't want to help.03:00
NaviJaffa: woo, killer apps03:00
GeneralAntillesImma try with a different card next week.03:00
* lcuk hopes he has a killer app :)03:01
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JaffaNavi: well, handy more than killer. Hopefully pretty, too03:01
NaviJaffa: personally, I'm not all too fond of the GObject stuff03:01
* lcuk ticks boxes for useful and speedy and fun and creating data and technology :)03:02
Navilcuk: lies03:02
* lcuk slaps navi with a kinetic hand03:02
NaviJaffa: but at least they have python bindings.  I'm much too lazy to do anything else \o/03:02
JaffaNavi: indeed; my playing with Vala, and discussions on #vala shows you can quite rapidly reach the point where you realise it's not *real* OO03:03
* Jaffa may well do this app in Python, even though it's not my "preferred" language.03:03
JaffaWill see when the SDK gets out03:03
lcukjaffa, the author of vala was at the summit you know03:03
Jaffalcuk: was he? interesting03:04
NaviA lot of people were there, apparently03:04
lcukor at least i was introduced to him the day after :)  i think i saw him floating around before03:04
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JaffaIt's an interesting idea and shows promise; tooling needs a lot of work, but Valable's shaping up a bit. Some of the design decisions aren't ones I entirely agree with - but they're valuing C interoperability higher than I would.03:05
jottwell he idles here in the channel :)03:05
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jottis it easier nowadays to run c code in vala? (like without big binding mess)?03:06
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lcukhi qole03:06
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* lcuk waves binary03:06
Jaffajott: dunno03:06
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jottbeing restricted to gobject and some selected libs is a bit unfortunate ...03:07
* Navi nods03:07
NaviJaffa: what are you planning on, anyways?03:08
lcukbut cant you construct bindings for anything?03:08
Jaffalcuk: you can03:08
jottlcuk: well if you put 2-10 extra hours of work in it..03:08
lcukthen its not restricted, merely immature.  the tooling will come with age03:08
JaffaNavi: nothing that exciting; still wishing for a variation of EPOC's Jotter03:08
lcukit shows promise03:08
jottwell, as an application developer you are restricted...03:09
Jaffalcuk: indeed (on both counts). I added code complete, incremental building and some other tooling necessetities to Valable03:09
lcukyou mentioned this before jaffa :)03:09
* Jaffa sleep now03:09
lcukgnite dude03:09
NaviJaffa: night03:10
* jott silently injects caffeine into jaffa03:10
jottgood night :)03:10
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* lcuk ponders threading for loading sketches03:11
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* jott deadlocks lcuk with a broken semaphore03:12
GeneralAntillesdneary wants an agenda03:12
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have any good plans.03:12
NaviGeneralAntilles: I can make one for you.03:12
GeneralAntillesMaybe we can take tim's new Community pages live, though.03:13
lcuklol jott - i tweaked the algo yesterday and it lazy loads sketches one per frame until complete - so now when i go kinetic i catch up with the cat faster03:13
lcukit used to load 4 per frame so was faster but kinetic was more sluggish while loading03:13
jottbut yes threading is the way to go for loading many objects in a gui app.03:16
lcukyes indeed03:17
lcukfor now it will suffice, but i know i will have to soon03:17
* lcuk tosses a coin03:17
jottheh. you should integrate a todo list in liqbase :)03:17
jottwould be funny to thread sketches as todos03:17
KotCzarnyand online server to post 'feature requests/bugs' as sketches too03:18
lcuktodo items will simply be tagged as such, no specific need - i write on everything i think about then browse and review often03:18
jottlcuk: yeah that's what i thought, just add some progress slider to it ;)03:18
lcukprogress? as in progress where loading is upto?03:19
jottno for todo sketches :)03:19
lcukKotCzarny, :) online server will come03:19
qolelcuk: am I going to get to try your beta?03:19
lcukahh lol - yeah03:19
lcukyes qole, im considering how to let you all get access without getting sidetracked03:20
KotCzarny'you have successfully activated you copy of Windows.'03:20
lcukand im scared to update to svn i dont wanna break it03:20
GeneralAntillesMake a new branch.03:20
qoleyikes, just saw the time, gotta get my bike togs on and go home...03:21
lcukwell thats not really feasible is it03:21
lcukcos of the folder structure i chose initially - i have no trunk or anything03:21
GeneralAntillesJust move everything 1 level down.03:21
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lcuktomorrow night when im not in pain ill try and get svn back on the machine03:22
lcuk./ has survived reinstallation :)03:23
KotCzarnywhy shouldn't it03:23
lcukexactly - it survived when other lesser apps didnt ;)03:23
GeneralAntillesWhat an odd number03:24
GeneralAntilles"42% by 2013"03:24
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Naviprobably based the number on the exponential netbook adoption rate03:26
Jaredui need to format my n81003:26
Jaredubecause xulrunner screwed the os up03:26
Jareduhow would i go about doing that03:26
infobotsomebody said flashing was
Jareduthis will fix all errors?03:26
lcukjust backup your important data03:26
KotCzarnyit will make your n810 virgin03:27
NaviGeneralAntilles: that article is full of fail03:27
GeneralAntillesNavi, feel free to make it "better".03:28
GeneralAntillesIt _is_ a wiki.03:28
lcukbut first, navi - whats wrong with it?03:28
lcukand discussion is just as important as changing at first whim03:29
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NaviI wasn't talking about the wiki page03:31
NaviI was talking about the article03:31
jottGeneralAntilles: with the adoption rate -> old statistics trick - don't use round numbers to sound more precise :)03:32
GeneralAntillesNavi, well, duh. :P03:32
lcukyer navi it was a bit bleugh03:32
Jareduis it bad that sometimes my tablet goes to 38 degrees celcius? :P03:32
GeneralAntillesI had to correct them about the N900 using OMAP35x03:33
GeneralAntillesthey still haven't fixed it.03:33
KotCzarnyjaredu: normal03:33
Jareduits hotter than my quad cores O_O03:33
lcukJaredu, :) it is a quad core03:33
KotCzarnymine goes to ~45 sometimes03:33
lcukshame we only ever use at most 2 of them03:33
KotCzarnyusually under full load + wifi03:33
KotCzarnyjaredu: your quad cored have fan and radiator on themj03:33
Jaredumy quad core runs at 32 degrees c :(03:33
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lcukwhat is it?03:34
KotCzarnyis what?03:34
lcukand are you sure the temp sensor is fitted correctly :D03:34
KotCzarnyalthough my pentium-m runs at ~35C without fan03:35
* GeneralAntilles is at 65┬░C at the moment.03:35
KotCzarny39C now when browsing web and listening to music03:35
JareduGeneralAntilles: im at the tablet dev site03:36
Jaredui just download the diablo version to flash or how do i do it o.O03:36
lcuki nearly fried my 810 one night recently - i left it in my cradle charging with a book ontop :S it worried me cos it was v hot03:37
KotCzarnyit shouldn't03:37
lcukJaredu, are you using linux03:37
Jareduunfortunately at the moment no03:37
Jareduam on vista 64bit03:37
lcukKotCzarny, my wooden crate has no airholes - and the book ontop03:37
GeneralAntillesJaredu, read the article I linked.03:37
KotCzarnydrill then?03:37
lcukits ok, im on 32bit xp ;)03:37
lcukthinking so03:37
Jaredumy wifi doesnt work on linux @tm due to nonsupported wifi drivers for my wifi N usb03:37
lcukbut i dont normally leave it covered03:38
KotCzarnyjust take nit out beforehand03:38
Jareduah ok03:38
Jaredui just use the wizard then03:38
Jareduive done this before :D03:38
Jaredunow to find the stupid usb cable..03:38
KotCzarnyjaredu: get usb wifi as a backup?03:38
lcukheh - i needed it left charging and available in the daytime, but i never leave it out on the surface cos knowing my luck something would drop on it03:38
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I doubt very much that it would've fried it.03:38
KotCzarnybut battery would die faster03:39
lcukyer gen i would hope so, but it felt wrong anyways03:39
Jaredui got usb wifi03:39
KotCzarnybecause of temp03:39
Jareduand i do 3d modelling alot along with photoshop03:39
Jareduunfortunately 3ds max doesnt support linux03:39
KotCzarnyli-ion doesn't like hihj temps03:39
Jareduand i have to use it for college :(03:39
KotCzarnyjaredu: wine ?03:39
GeneralAntilles3ds max sucks03:39
Jaredutoo laggy03:39
Navi3ds max doesn't run very well under wine03:39
lcukmmmm wine03:40
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Jareduah crap03:40
lcukwhere was the rest of eletrunko logged into?  were his legs in one chan?03:40
lcukok, back to bed for me03:41
KotCzarnygo go03:41
lcukgnite chaps03:41
Jaredu123 mb O_O03:42
GeneralAntillesJaredu, same size it was last time.03:42
Jareduany clue as to when the n900s will be coming out/cost?03:42
Jaredui know03:42
Jaredubut it was a pain xD03:42
lcuk:D i am tagged on flickr03:42
GeneralAntillesQ2-Q3 200903:43
Jareduhad to do it twice cause the battery was barely charged lol03:43
Jaredu ./can wait for price drop xD03:43
Jaredui still need to sell my sony mylo 203:43
jottlcuk: ? :P03:43
lcuk:D hahahaha03:43
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Jareduany pics of the n900?03:43
* Jaredu likes that car.03:44
GeneralAntillesJaredu, there aren't even prototypes yet.03:44
jottlcuk: hmm :P03:44
Jareduah ok03:44
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that's a nice blouse you've got there.03:44
Jareduwow wtf03:45
Jareduready to update your device software from:03:45
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Jaredudo i have a beta or something? O_O03:45
GeneralAntillesThere isn't a FIASCO image out for the first SSU release.03:45
infobotssu is, like,
Jaredunote: you are downgrading to an older version03:46
Jareduhow did i get a newer version03:46
Jareduthan the latest03:46
KotCzarnyjust old flash image03:46
KotCzarnyand no later upgrades in flash image format03:46
lcuknothe full flash image was released -23.14 - then after that you have had SSU updates03:46
KotCzarnyonly .debs03:46
Jareduah ok03:46
GeneralAntillesJaredu, read the link.03:47
Jareduah drat :(03:47
Jaredudoesnt give the option to download and then use the file03:47
Jareduits all auto w/ updater :(03:47
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lcukit would ease users confusions if ssu was rolled into the full flash03:47
Jaredu //was already at 25%03:47
GeneralAntilleslcuk, what do you mean?03:47
GeneralAntillesi.e., SSU updates would also be provided with a FIASCO image?03:48
lcukwell like now, this guy thinks hes downgradin03:48
GeneralAntillesWell, that's the plan.03:48
lcuk:) didnt think otherwise03:48
GeneralAntillesNokia just pushed 30-2 out early to fix the Modest battery life issue.03:48
GeneralAntillesSo it didn't get the full treatment.03:48
jottyeah having fiasco images in sync with ssu would make sense :)03:48
Jaredui had 9 hours of continious battery life my first day03:48
Jaredufull day of web/installing/etc03:48
lcukcool, thanks for the info immortal leader of the community \o/03:48
Jaredu9 solid hours03:48
Jareduit lasts at least 7.5 a day now03:49
Jareducontinious use xD03:49
lcukJaredu, alter your screen brightness and you could get more03:49
Jaredui know03:49
Jareduit was at 3/503:49
Jareduthough i must say im impressed03:49
lcukthats my normal - 4 and 5 really kill life03:49
Jaredudue to the fact that the box states 4hrs03:49
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Advanced Backlight03:50
lcukahem, i must collar rm and jott soon on that score actually03:50
lcuktheres a bug somewhere03:50
GeneralAntillesCare to file a report? :P03:51
KotCzarnyhe prefers personal reporting03:51
KotCzarnyvia threatening03:51
Jareduadvanced backlighting was nice :P03:51
lcukafter a period (i think its reboot)  i notice the screen is too dark, so i open adv back light and it says "brightness 100" but only when i click it does the brightness actually increase03:51
Jaredui had almost everything on my tablet that was useful lol03:51
GeneralAntillesProbably reboot03:52
Jareduill bbiab03:52
GeneralAntillesIt was supposedly fixed a few versions ago03:52
KotCzarnylcuk, probably dimming is brighter than full bright03:52
Jaredu23 mins till dl is finished03:52
lcukyer, its a bit strange - ive noticed it a few times now03:52
GeneralAntilles~dimming is
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay03:53
GeneralAntillesInstall that.03:53
lcuknever anything concrete and ive had other things on mind03:53
KotCzarnyi think there is an option to go directly to off03:53
KotCzarnyinstead of 'dimming'03:53
bef0rdlcuk, I think its related with the 'built in' bright applet setting, try checking what is the current value in that, I'm pretty sure it will be the lowest level03:53
lcukyer, if dim and off are both same it goes directly off immediately03:53
GeneralAntillesdsme is going open03:53
GeneralAntillesso it'll be a lot easier for us to hook into some of the lame dimming logic and such03:54
lcukbef0rd, ahhh, thats a possibility ill have a look, thanks03:54
jottGeneralAntilles: unfortunately the brightness stuff will be moved into mce :p03:54
jott(which stays closed)03:54
lcukbef0rd, you are right.  brightness from control panel/display is marked as notch 1/503:54
jottand the leaked mce version probably imply some legal trouble...03:55
lcukabl is on 10003:55
GeneralAntillesjott, dsme is just gonna be a bunch of calls to mce's closed code.03:55
jottGeneralAntilles: yep.03:55
lcukjott, wheres bugtrack thing for your abl?03:55
lcukill make a proper note of the observations03:55
GeneralAntilleslcuk, well, we're gonna be using b.m.o soon.03:55
GeneralAntillesBut, uh, guenther is being really lazy about the templates.03:55
jottbut brightness handling will be moved to mce :/03:55
GeneralAntillesjott, dsme may actually include mce.03:56
jottso not much to patch in dsme :/03:56
KotCzarnyso what gets open in effect?03:56
lcukwould be nice to get userspace access to cpufreq as well ;)03:56
jottmce stays separate. gets more functions and remains closed.03:56
jott(that's the info i got from the dsme/mce devs at least :)03:56
GeneralAntillesjott, sarcasm or for truths you got from the Summit? :P03:56
GeneralAntilleslol, for serious?03:56
jottyes :(03:57
GeneralAntillesThat's such fucking bullshit.03:57
* GeneralAntilles may have to do a write-up on that one.03:57
GeneralAntillesToken open sourcing03:57
GeneralAntillesthat's really awesome.03:57
GeneralAntillesSo, basically, Nokia shouldn't get any credit at all for open sourcing dsme?03:57
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jottwell more of the hardware related abstraction goes to mce..03:58
jottmaybe some mce stuff makes it into dsme..03:58
jottstill f*cked up..03:58
GeneralAntillesI'm gonna pitch a fit whenever the code hits Garage and turns out to be nothing.03:59
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure what the logic behind that could possibly be.03:59
jottand the devs already had to fight for dsme being opened...03:59
GeneralAntillesBut if it's just for earning brownie points with the community with some token open sourcing then everybody needs to know.03:59
GeneralAntillesWhat a let down.04:00
jottyeah. you can imagine rm_you and my disappointment when we talked to the dev...04:00
jotti mean he was open for suggestions and adding some stuff to mce.04:00
jottbut in the end i doubt it will get into any release..04:00
GeneralAntillesSoft poweroff still hasn't been fixed.04:01
GeneralAntilles10 months later.04:01
GeneralAntillesMan, they are gonna have another thing coming if they think they can pull shit like that and get kudos for it.04:01
GeneralAntillesThis differentiation nonsense is really killing us.04:04
jotti mean design-wise it makes sense to move the stuff to mce but it's still a big let down04:04
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to go eviscerate all the retarded MBAs over at Nokia.04:05
jottyeah well and mce is not even remotely a gui part.. :/04:05
GeneralAntillesWhat was the other thing on the slide?04:05
GeneralAntilles"power management"04:05
jottyer bme ..04:05
* GeneralAntilles is pissed off now.04:06
GeneralAntillesTick tock, Nokia.04:06
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GeneralAntillesRelease the code so we can destroy you.04:06
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jottGeneralAntilles: :P04:11
GeneralAntillesSomebody should caption Quim04:12
GeneralAntilles"Onwards! To adventure!"04:12
lcuksomeone should photoshop FSM on the projection04:14
KotCzarnyin place of the shadow?04:15
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JareduDUN works now04:19
Jareduwas laying on keyboard setting up clock on tablet lol04:21
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lcukheh, thats not fail its full of plus04:31
KotCzarnyfull of prius04:31
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Jareduwhat is the recommended root application other than ssh04:33
infobotroot-access is, like,
infobotmethinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here:
Jareduall my repositories are gone O_O04:34 good?04:35
KotCzarnyi just use extras04:35
GeneralAntillesgronmayer == evil04:35
Jareduwhy o.O?04:36
KotCzarnyunchecked mess04:36
Jareduuseful though?04:36
lcukcos if you use the maemo extras repo - you know the apps you install will be there forever :)04:36
KotCzarnyif you seek one particular package04:36
GeneralAntillesgronmayer == broken device04:36
lcukgronmayer, solution to something which is no longer required for 2008 :)04:37
Jareducrap lol04:37
lcuki would gather its still useful for the older oses04:37
Jareduanyway to reset to default repositories then04:37
Jareducause i just installed them all lol04:38
lcukyou have a kittery keyboard04:38
KotCzarny  |> Wo bist du - Rammstein (Rosenrot)04:38
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LiraNunalo there04:39
Jaredulcuk: any way i can restore default repo's04:40
LiraNunais there a way to run GNOME on N810?04:40
Jareduyes, kinda04:40
LiraNunaI saw XFCE on it04:40
LiraNunaI'd love nautilus/gedit on it though04:40
KotCzarnyyou have only 128mb of ram04:40
infobotdeblet is, like,
lcukJaredu, im not the best to ask, but i would gather you can do a bulk cleanup by editing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list04:40
KotCzarnymost of which is already taken by few hogs04:41
lcukKotCzarny, is that right ^ ?04:41
LiraNunaI know deblet04:41
KotCzarnywell, he can simply uncheck them04:41
lcukone by one04:41
lcukwants em gone04:41
LiraNunaoh my, I missed that one ->
jottyeah "uncheck" by "dd" :)04:41
Jaredushroot isnt on my list04:42
Jareduit was rootsh04:42
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LiraNunais that epiphany?04:44
LiraNunathe browser.04:44
GeneralAntillesEpiphany is a web browser. . . .04:44
GeneralAntillesYes, it's Epiphany.04:44
Jareduah lol04:44
LiraNunaI'd love to give webkit epiphany a try04:45
LiraNunaespecially on the n81004:45
evaryontIs there a program that'll display slides from a .ppt file?04:45
LiraNunaOpenOffice? :D04:45
evaryontLiraNuna: does that run smoothly on a n800 :)04:45
LiraNunano idea :D04:45
Jareduopenoffice is slow O_O04:46
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Jaredutakes forever to load lol04:46
Jaredubut it can work04:46
evaryontJaredu: any alts? I don't need editing - just viewing04:46
Jaredumaybe google docs?04:46
Jaredui dunno if they do ppt04:46
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evaryontthey do. but it's google :S04:47
Mekkpresenter :P also a bit slot though (and uses quite some disk space), and I'm not sure how well the ppt import filter is04:47
evaryontplus, I'm not allowed to put these ppts online (crazy rules...)04:47
jottconvert them to pdf? :)04:47
KotCzarnyfireup ppt and save slides as jpgs ?04:47
jotton the desktop...04:48
jottyeah or pngs.04:48
evaryontpngs > jpgs imo :P04:48
KotCzarnydepends on content04:48
evaryontanw, that seems like the best way.04:48
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evaryonton the linux desktop, is there a ppt->txt converter?04:49
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KotCzarnyi think i saw one04:49
evaryontKotCzarny: perhaps you remember it's name? :)04:49
evaryontthanks :)04:50
jottthere is ppthtml04:50
KotCzarnycatdoc ?04:50
Jareduanyone know an ssh client for windows so i can view my desktop on tablet or how to setup putty to do so? :)04:50
GeneralAntillesThe new VGBA is way faster.04:50
KotCzarnyjaredu: vnc04:50
Jaredu80% isnt playable imo04:50
evaryontJaredu: look into vnc04:50
Jareduvnc eh?04:51
Jaredupay or no?04:51
jottGeneralAntilles: thanks to direct framebuffer rendering :)04:51
evaryontKotCzarny: arch has a pkg for it :)04:51
GeneralAntillesUpscaling got a lot uglier, though.04:51
KotCzarnythen you should get catppt command04:51
evaryonttime to set up a quick shell script...04:51
evaryontconvert each ppt to a series of pngs + a big ol' text file :D04:51
jotthm does catdoc support ppt?!04:52
KotCzarnyjott: it has few subcommands04:52
KotCzarnyxls2csv for example04:53
evaryontcatdoc++ \o/04:53
evaryontthough I haven't found a pkg for Arch that does ppt-><img format of choice>04:53
jottevaryont: openoffice? :)04:53
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evaryontjott: I don't really want to load it just to convert a file. Also, I don't know if it's scriptable04:54
jottit is04:54
jotteven without launching the main gui04:54
LiraNunacan deblet do skype?04:54
evaryontjott: I'll look into it. Thanks :)04:55
LiraNunaI see the .install file is just text04:55
Jaredui ssh'ed into my tablet as root@localhost and /home is still no permissions04:55
Jareduwhat the heck04:55
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jottsomething like this04:58
evaryontjott: thanks!05:01
jotti guess it's some sort of OOo faq judging from the google results :)05:01
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evaryontjott: do you mind being tech support? Given file "a_presentation.ppt", how would I run that script? I know I'd have to pass -headless, but that's about it :S05:16
jott maybe this will help?05:16
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evaryontjott: it just might :)05:18
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evaryontjott: he he, links to links, found 'unoconv'...and there's a pkg for that! :)05:28
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gregoroviusevaryont: arch is great05:40
gregoroviusthere's always a package05:40
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Jaredui got it to untar and crap05:48
Jaredunow i need to try installing fennec again05:48
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evaryontgregorovius: heh05:55
evaryontJaredu: hope it goes well.05:56
Jareduhasnt so far05:56
Jaredustupid stupid stupid >.<05:56
Jaredusame freakin' think05:56
Jaredui made it work xD05:58
Jareduit looks um05:59
Jareduthat took alot of tinkering06:00
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KotCzarnydidn't take long?06:05
JareduGeneralAntilles: how did you get fennec working at all?06:05
GeneralAntillesJust install it06:06
GeneralAntillesbut, seriously, it's not worth the trouble right now.06:06
Jareduit wont run06:06
Jareduxulrunner is broken >.<06:06
Jaredui can do fennec in terminal and it'll run06:07
Jaredubut its screwey06:07
Jareduthe tabs form an L shape in the top left06:07
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Jareduhow do i use openssh xD06:18
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KotCzarnyssh user@host06:18
Jareduhost = ip user=?06:18
KotCzarnyip or domain06:18
KotCzarnyuser is a user you want to log as06:18
KotCzarnyroot, user, jaredu06:19
KotCzarnywhatever is in /etc/passwd and enabled to login06:19
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Jareduconnection refused06:21
KotCzarnyhave you installed openssh after reflash?06:21
KotCzarnyps ax|grep sshd06:22
Jareduthough; xulrunner is on here again after trying to install fennec x..x06:22
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Jaredui cant find the stupid | key on the tablet O_O06:24
KotCzarnychr ?06:24
Jaredu1933 root 3180 swn /usr/sbin/sshd 2577 user 1888 RTW grep sshd06:25
KotCzarnythen it's running06:25
KotCzarnycheck the ip06:25
Jareduproblem is my windows machine lol06:26
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Jaredu /does not get it06:29
KotCzarnyget what?06:30
Jareduvnc server properties06:30
Jareduor anything on this windows crap06:30
Jareduon linux it's so freaking easy06:30
KotCzarnyjust leave on defaults06:30
Jaredui have to set a port and crap06:30
Jareduits over wifi so i have a specific ip06:30
Jaredulike or something06:31
KotCzarny127.0.0.1 is localhost06:31
KotCzarnyvirtual network06:31
Jareduso say im trying to login to that from my tablet or viceversa06:31
KotCzarnyuse normal ip06:32
KotCzarnythat is on the interface06:32
KotCzarnyusually 192.168.something06:32
Jareduconnection refused06:32
Jaredumay be router settings06:32
KotCzarnymost probably wrong machine06:32
GeneralAntillesConnection refused means there's no sshd running on whatever machine you're trying to connect to.06:33
Jareduso how do i do that o.O06:33
KotCzarnyin windows: ipconfig06:34
KotCzarnyshould print your ip06:34
KotCzarnyin linux: ifconfig06:34
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Jaredui have my ip06:35
KotCzarnythat's public ip06:36
KotCzarnyprobably router's one06:36
KotCzarnytrust me06:36
Jareduim going to have to be able to do this from school as well06:36
KotCzarnyit's ip that will router respond06:36
Jareduso i need the public setup06:36
KotCzarnyah, well06:36
KotCzarnyso you need port forwrding then06:36
Jaredui have that06:37
Jareduit's setup for my torrents so i know the port as well06:37
KotCzarnyyes, but do you also forward vnc/ssh/whatever you want?06:38
Jaredui simply set the vnc ports to the same forwarded ports im already using06:38
Jareduwindows makes me want to go there.06:39
KotCzarnywon't work06:39
KotCzarnytoo high06:40
Jareduyou'd be suprised ;)06:40
KotCzarnyand too close to the wall06:40
KotCzarnyanyway, breakfast time06:40
Jareduback to vnc crap06:40
Jaredui tried the ip and then the port number like
Jaredudidnt work >.<06:43
KotCzarnyyou can't try it from inside your network06:43
KotCzarnywhat port it is?06:43
Jareduwould i have to do local then?06:43
KotCzarnywhat password?06:43
Jareduhow so o.O06:44
KotCzarnyi just logged to your vnc06:44
KotCzarnychange the pass06:44
Jaredusee the desktop?06:44
KotCzarnybut closed it already06:45
KotCzarnyalso it's slow06:45
Jareduodd, linux prompts me :P06:45
KotCzarnyremove the wallpaper06:45
KotCzarnyand try tightvnc06:45
KotCzarnyshould give jpeg compression06:46
KotCzarnywhich looks ugly, but is very good for slow links06:46
KotCzarnyand yes, locally you have to use local ips06:46
Jaredummk then... lesee..06:47
Jareduon the tablet, how would i start the server?06:47
Jareduso i can view it on my desktop06:47
KotCzarnydon't know06:47
KotCzarnyi think there is only client for nit06:47
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KotCzarnyit might have changed since i last checked06:47
Jareduopenssh openssh client openssh server06:47
Jaredui got all installed :D06:47
KotCzarnyvnc != ssh06:48
Jaredudifference being?06:48
KotCzarnyssh is text based06:48
Jareduah crap06:48
Jareduany vnc's for nit?06:48
KotCzarnybut more powerfull06:48
Jareduthis could be why it wasnt working06:48
Jaredurdesktop eh?06:49
KotCzarnyand also only client06:49
bef0rdrdesktop is just a client06:49
KotCzarnymeaning you can view m$ desktop on nit06:50
KotCzarnybut not other way06:50
Jareducan i edit?06:50
KotCzarnyedit what?06:50
Jaredulike drag file etc06:50
Jareduupload to site or w/e06:50
Jaredubasic things06:50
KotCzarnysame as in vnc06:50
KotCzarnyie. virtual monitor06:50
KotCzarnyyou can do anything you can on usual one06:50
Jareduso long as the tablet can see the pc, i dont care about viceversa06:50
KotCzarnythen just run vnc client on nit06:51
KotCzarnyand give it windoze ip06:51
KotCzarnylocal when in home06:51
KotCzarnyand public when in school06:51
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malikulhey kotCzarny or RST38h are you good with python by anychance?07:19
* KotCzarny not07:19
KotCzarnyi prefer cats to reptilians07:20
RST38h"...urgent warnings from the president and pleas from a Treasury secretary who knelt before the House speaker and appealed for her support."07:23
RST38hHe *knelt*. That's how you know things are fucked up in the XXI century07:23
RST38hIf money isnt loosened up, this sucker could go down, President Bush declared Thursday as he watched the $700 billion bailout package fall apart before his eyes, according to one person in the room.07:25
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KotCzarnyrst38h: link?07:30
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KotCzarnynvm, googled it07:32
gregoroviusanybody has any idea when/if lightmediascanner with ogg support will be out? it's been 2 months since I got my n800 and still no dice =/07:32
KotCzarnygreg, recompile/hack yourself?07:33
KotCzarnythen submit a patch :)07:33
gregoroviusit'd love to, but it's out of my league atm07:33
KotCzarnycopypaste mp3 sections?07:34
gregoroviusI think somebody would've already done it if it were so easy07:34
KotCzarnyi think all are just being lazy07:35
gregoroviusI hope canola beta 10 includes ogg support07:38
KotCzarnyi just use mplayer07:38
gregoroviusI don't think anyone's being lazy, to be honest07:38
KotCzarnyand my playfilelist ncurses ui07:38
gregoroviusncurses? too hacky for me :)07:39
KotCzarnybut more versatile07:39
malikulncurse has its roll but I usually feel it is a dev being lazy if they use it07:41
KotCzarnyi like ncurses because then i can use app over ssh07:42
KotCzarnyand on screen07:42
KotCzarnyit's not so trivial with graphical uis07:42
KotCzarnythat are more shiny, but less usefull07:42
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KotCzarnyso don't underestimate text mode07:42
malikulahh I cannot get os.execvp to work07:44
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malikulhey guys I need your help with a python script I am running.  have a background python script running from init.d. The script takes in parameters and then executes a commandline program. System is debian based. I would like the program to launch the second program in its own environment. As it a completely seperate process. I am using os.execvp but i keep getting errors. command is as follows... os.execvp( 'sudo', 'sudo', 'program',07:56
malikul'-s', '-f', 'config.file') is that the correct format? I am getting all sorts of errors...also would you recommend using a different api instead of os.execvp? I have read the doc's and call popen don't seem to fit the bill.07:56
* KotCzarny is not python proficient07:57
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malikulaww raspberries trolling the doc's so more it is08:03
malikulfuck deadlines!08:03
malikulfrom the cussing but no so much08:06
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, VGBA feels much snappier08:14
GeneralAntillesbut the upscaling is kinda ugly.08:14
Jareduwhen did they update it?08:14
GeneralAntillesA few hours ago.08:14
Jaredui will have to try08:14
Jareduit was terrible a few days ago O_O08:14
Jaredusound was super choppy :P08:14
KotCzarnymaybe your nokia is slower than other? :P08:16
KotCzarnyjust kidding08:16
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* bef0rd updates vgba08:19
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Jareduim super impressed08:20
Jaredulike 93% speed08:20
malikulnight all08:23
Jaredui love the creator of vgba now :D08:24
Jareduanyone know of any snes emus that work decently for n810?08:30
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GAN800tekojo, how close are we to the new servers?09:26
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tekojoThe pages are served from there09:31
tekojoBut not downloads, planet and wiki :-(09:31
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tekojoActually when I compare the load speeds, ssl seems to be the biggest factor slowing the system09:34
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gomiamtekojo: SSL is a slowdown factor? How so? What processor are you using?09:39
gomiamoh, sorry09:39
gomiamI thought this was another channel O:-)09:39
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tekojoNo problem09:40
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aquatixmorning all10:32
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samppahow can i develop gps program inside scratchbox, i mean how can i get some fake gps signal?10:39
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hrwsamppa: connect gps to you box?10:42
samppais it easily done?10:42
hrwsamppa: remember one simple thing - scratchbox is NOT emulator10:43
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hrwit is just sick tool to build software in crazy way10:43
samppaindeed :)10:43
samppabut if i dont have gps, but i still want to do gps software, is there some fakegps to provide gps data ?10:45
hrwno idea10:46
JaffaMorning, all10:47
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Andy80hi all10:56
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RST38hehlo to whoever entered11:06
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AStormblah, it seems that there's no maemo-mapper for Diablo...11:09
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johnxAStorm, isn't it in extras or extras-devel?11:09
AStormin neither11:09
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* RST38h did install it from somewhere11:10
AStormand to be extra sure, I did a search in redpill11:10
johnxand the chinook version doesn't work?11:10
AStormyeah, I guess chinook install file will work11:10
AStormbut then, PEOPLE, fix the repos!11:10
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X-Fadegnuite made a mistake with the diablo upload. It will be fixed soon, I guess.11:10
AStormbugs ;P11:11
AStormwhat a release11:11
AStormand I thought I waited long enough11:11
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AStormfunny part is that topomaps are in11:12
AStormbut not mapper11:12
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RST38hthere are topographic maps for the mapper?11:13
AStormfinland, yes11:14
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AStormnot important for me, obviously11:14
AStorm"unable to download, package not found"11:15
* AStorm screams blood11:15
AStormyou *tricked* me into installing broken diablo11:15
AStormI'd probably have to add chinook repos11:15
AStormbut that will most likely break the system11:15
johnxAStorm, it shouldn't11:16
johnxand for maemo mapper just grab the .debs for now11:16
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AStormfrom where? gnuiite's site?11:17
AStormanother q: maemopad+11:17
johnxfirst result for maemo mapper is the garage page11:17
AStormwhich has .install files and older versions? :P11:17
johnxit'll work for now to tide you over :P11:18
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AStormhmm, is there already that nice hacked version available? (with more efficient map storage)11:19
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* bongo will start a new money box for the next tablet :D11:32
* keesj simply will try not to buy a iphone11:33
bongoi don't like the iphone ;)11:34
AStormhmm, it seems that my new Samsung U700 looks over USB like a standard AT modem in one mode11:34
AStormbut then, I couldn't connect to it with gnokii over BT11:34
AStormbecause it doesn't recognize it11:34
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hrwAStorm: you have u700?11:47
hrwgnokii.... no comments11:47
AStormhrw: sure, I do11:47
AStormphonelink uses gnokii, so, yes comments11:47
hrwAStorm: satisfied?11:47
AStormno idea yet, too new11:48
bongothere are pyqt4 packeges now. do pyqt4 apps work with internal input methods?11:48
AStormbattery seems fairly ok, but I can't test with HSDPA yet, due to lack of plan11:48
hrwAStorm: gnokii does not support nearly nothing other then nokias. gammu has wider support for phones but phonelink would need to be changed11:48
AStormconnects fine though over DUN11:48
hrwAStorm: does screen on standby works as a mirror?11:49
AStormnot cool, because it kind of works as mirror not in standby11:49
hrwso I will probably suggest u700 instead of lg shine for my wife11:49
AStormreflects clouds11:49
AStormthis is actually horrible IMO ;P11:49
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AStormah, also, it does data transfer using camera protocol11:50
AStormI'll check if it knows obex too11:51
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hrwAStorm: can you send java app to it over obex?11:51
hrwto get it installed11:51
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AStormno idea, though I've heard its java is slightly crippled11:53
AStorme.g. doesn't have bluetooth libs11:53
AStormand I can see no files with n810 and obex, and there are quite a few11:53
AStorm(just dirs)11:53
hrwAStorm: I use j2me for games and simple apps11:53
AStormso something is broken with obex either on n810 or that samsung ;P11:54
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AStormafter having problems with transfers to a f... macbook, I suspect it's obex in n810 that is flaky11:57
RST38h23694 files, 922MB11:58
RST38hAStorm: Works like a charm with other Nokias, Windows, and Ubuntu11:59
RST38hEarly Samsungs had problems with OBEX to an S60 phone but I hope it is not the case any more.12:00
AStormit didn't work vs Mac12:03
AStormat least, I had to bind 3 times12:04
AStormand it broke connection semi randomly ;P12:04
AStormit seems that obex is working, but doesn't show any actual *files*12:04
AStormonly dirs12:04
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AStormoh well, file manager crashed *again*12:05
AStormdrag'n'drop is crashy12:05
AStormseems to be copying12:08
AStormwell, this is *slow*12:09
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thuxStskeeps: deblet installer cfdisk complaints my every sdcard primary partition and quits? but i can run fdisk on them in pc12:13
AStormeh, sending these few MB over obex from n810/sdhc to this samsung is really slow12:16
johnxthux, hmm? complains how?12:16
AStormwhat was the speed again? 300 kbps?12:16
thuxjohnx: bad primary partition ends012:17
johnxthux, ah. it did that for my stuff too. I would use another tool to blank it12:17
johnxI think it's some vaguely questionable partitioning from the factory12:17
thuxjohnx: is one ext3 partiton enough if i make them in pc? or do i need swap?12:18
johnxyou don't *need* swap but it's nice to have12:19
johnxI would just delete all the partitions on something else then use cfdisk to make them again12:19
johnxnot that it matters either way12:19
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aquatixis it possible to set swap to use the external card on a n810?12:20
aquatixi don't want to wear out the internal flash12:20
JaffaYes - definitely if you don't mind not using the GUI.12:20
aquatixi don't mind :)12:20
JaffaAlthough I don't think worrying about the internal flashing wearing out is very realistic.12:20
Finxany tips on establishing an ssh tunnel to N800 through usbnet?12:21
Jaffaaquatix: just setup your own swap file and include it in /etc/fstab12:21
aquatixi thought i remembered an article on it indeed12:21
aquatixJaffa: sounds logical :)12:21
JaffaYou could probably carry on using the GUI with a symlink to the /media/mmc2 one, but YMMV12:21
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aquatixi don't really trust the internal flash; the FS already failed once, but that was the factory formatted one; i since formatted it myself12:22
aquatixJaffa: atm, i don't use swap at all12:22
Jaffafairy nuff12:22
RST38hwell it wasn't a hw failure, just a logical format problem12:22
* Jaffa had to reformat his internal flash for the second time after some FAT-related corruption12:22
aquatixJaffa: yeah12:23
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aquatixJaffa: i'm thinking of formatting it ext2 or 312:23
aquatixand maybe adding a swap partition when i'm at it12:23
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aquatixwould also make subversion work better i think12:23
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aquatixit gave some errors on checking out to fat12:24
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KhertanHi !12:27
bongogood morning :)12:28
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Khertansomeone have see that is now open ...12:29
JaffaAre they relaunching ovi then?12:29
JaffaN900 must be just around the corner! *cough*12:29
thuxjohnx: thanks, now cfdisk works12:29
johnxthux, good deal. :)12:30
RST38hIs an Apple site?12:30
RST38hIt has got the same design =)12:30
johnxRST38h, yes, it's apple's attempt to sell Nokia phones12:30
KhertanRST38h: not possible ... i still get no error ... so i couldn't be me.com12:30
RST38hAh, the Horror!12:30
Khertannot really nice design12:31
johnxKhertan, heh. I was just about to say the same thing...12:31
Khertani've already contact the support to know if there is api to sync from external apps12:31
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Khertanlike mCalendar ;)12:32
* aquatix just created an account12:32
* RST38h promises to create account as soon as Nokia updates E70 firmware adding NGage support12:33
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Andy80hi Khertan :)12:42
KhertanHi andy12:43
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aquatixmeh, really wants to have a nokia12:43
aquatixsettings for similar nokia's don't seem to work on my sony ericsson m600i12:43
Andy80Khertan: I was lookig at your python packager... there's something I don't understand.... a Maemo installer is available, to install it on the device.... but... I did think it was a tool to install inside Scratchbox anda package python application in .deb files... am I wrong?12:44
Khertanyep ... your wrong (not really ...)12:45
KhertanIt s a tools to create packages on device12:45
Andy80oh :\12:45
Andy80not what I need then.. :(12:46
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Khertanas you can do it with dpkg on scratchbox12:46
Khertananyway ... there is also py2deb12:46
Khertanwhich can create source package to upload it to extras builder12:46
Khertanand works too on scratchbox12:46
Andy80you mean this one: ?12:47
Khertanbut you can also launch PyPackage on scratchbox using ./run-standalone pypackager12:47
KhertanAndy80: not this version ...12:47
Khertani ve made a more recent one that can sign file too, and add maemo icon on packages12:48
Khertanit s available in maemo repository12:48
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Khertanat least i should send my patch to manatlan ... as the last one i ve send wasn't complet12:48
Andy80Khertan: where can I find your py2deb version to be able to use it on my Scratchbox?12:49
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Andy80there's .install12:49
Andy80no wait...12:49
Andy80The requested URL /downloads/product/raw/OS2008/py2deb/ could not be found on this server.12:50
Andy80it doesn't exist on server :)12:50
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atulHi all, How to login to Scrach-box without password is there any way ?12:51
Andy80atul: you don't need a password12:53
KhertanAndy80: it seems there is some problem with .install location ... it s seems the location change ... i ll look. thx. Anyway it s available in repository ... so you can install it by the app manager on the device, or apt-get install py2deb on scratchbox12:53
atulAndy80:=> We login to scratch-box by typing command over command prompt /scrachbox/login12:54
Andy80atul: yes, but it doesn0t ask you for a password12:54
Andy80Khertan: whic repository do I have to use? if I write: fakeroot apt-get install py2deb, it cannot find it...12:55
atulAndy80:=> I have install scratch-box on almost 5 system and in all it is asking me for password. ok is there any way to remotelly login to scratch-box wihtout aksing apsswork.12:55
Andy80atul: I installed Scratchbox and all Maemo SDK lot of times, and it never asked me for a password :) are you sure you've installed it correctly?12:56
Andy80Khertan: I've that repository on my Scratchbox... very strange! I'll check again...12:56
atulAndy80:=> Yes.12:56
Andy80atul: cannot help you then...12:57
atulAndy80:=> ok thanks for your kind reply.12:57
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Andy80atul: I'm almost sure you didn't add your user to Scratchbox....12:57
atulAndy80:=> yes your right.12:57
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atulAndy80:=> I need to create user account and then it wont ask me for password it seems.12:58
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Andy80atul: you didn't follow installation instructions then. Instructions tell you to add your user to Scratchbox, to have permissions to login and install all the stuff12:59
atulAndy80:=> I add one user in to the scratch-box.13:00
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Andy80atul: "Specify users to be added to scratchbox users with '-u USER' " -->
atulAndy80:=> ok thanq i will try and let you inform thanks for helpl.13:01
Andy80you're wellcome13:01
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Andy80Khertan: I'm browsing from firefox... I can see all packages, but not py2deb...13:03
Andy80Khertan: solved :) the package name is python2.5-py2deb not py2deb13:05
Khertansorry ... i m at work and chief was here :)13:05
Khertanso a yep ... python2.5-py2deb13:05
Khertanapt-cache search is always usefull :)13:06
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Andy80Khertan: oh sorry, then I won't disturb you :)13:07
woglindecrofton what does file say when you ran it on cursor-bad.png13:07
woglindewrong channel13:09
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KhertanDoes syncml is the used protocol to sync device from ovi ?13:11
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JaffaKhertan: I'd guess so13:28
JaffaKhertan: according to - yes, it's SyncML based13:30
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lardmanJaffa: meeting 8pm sat?13:37
Jaffalardman: aye13:37
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Jaffa...unless I forget.13:38
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lardmanlikewise :)13:39
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lardmanmelmoth: I tried the suggestion, and in the end found a configure switch to disable python binding generation13:40
lardmanmelmoth: mainly as the suggestion didn't seem to work for me, user error I imagine13:40
Khertanconfigure switch to disable python binding generation ... gggrrrrrr not a good idea13:41
lardmanwhy not?13:42
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Khertanthx jaffa13:42
lardmanI'd be happy to reenable it but scratchbox gets hung up13:42
Khertanlardman: i don't know ... as i don't know what your are talking about :)13:42
lardmanbuilding Navit13:43
Khertanhum ...13:43
Khertanyep ... but it can be usefull for python dev to create the binding too :)13:44
lardmantrue, I'll post the error output and a python dev can track down the source ;)13:44
Khertanbye ... going to eat13:47
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lcukahhh food, something i cannot have :(13:48
* lcuk dreams of bacon13:48
robtaylorlcuk: how so?13:51
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lcuktooth is still throbbin like a bitch and my throat feels like its on fire13:51
robtaylorlcuk: urgh!13:51
lcukwhen are you plannin on comin over my way - we will have to take youngest to the pub if its before 3pm ;)13:52
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robtaylorlcuk: well, dunno yet, I'm waiting for the people selling the piano to let me know when they're free13:52
melmothlardman: so you got navit compiled then ?13:52
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lcukfair enough, ill ask the missus where a decent pub is then (for obvious reasons im not normally a drinker)13:53
robtaylorlcuk: obvious reasons == small children? :)13:54
lcukheh, thats part of it yer, anyway give me a shout later, im goin for lunch13:55
robtaylorlardman: enjoy13:55
robtaylor* lcuk13:55
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sneakretobvious reasons == muslim/mormon?13:58
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lardmanmelmoth: not quite, missing hildon libs, need to update pkg-config14:04
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lardmanmelmoth: what I could do with is some debianisation stuff, tried to copy in from elsewhere and it killed the build14:09
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KhertanHi again ...14:20
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lcukhi mgedmin14:31
lcukim sorry i dont have highlights for gaargh14:32
lcukeverythin ok?14:32
* mgedmin shrugs14:36
mgedminheadache again14:36
mgedminand bloody apple with their bloody proprietary lock-in policies14:36
mgedminI wanted to get an iPod shuffle, but they don't like to work with ubuntu14:37
Khertanhaha ... the proprietary lock-in policies help me to take the decision to not use anymore their products14:37
sneakretApple. Harumph.14:38
lcukbooo mgedmin i finally had my tooth sorted yesterday and ive been in mega pain since14:39
* lcuk wouldnt mind an apple laptop14:40
VeggenApple and MS are equally evil when it comes to lock-in. But Apple doesn't even try to hide it. But Apples stuff often plain works, that's the reason they are popular...14:40
lcukbut i have no use for an ipod yet14:40
mgedminapple is more insidious14:40
mgedminthey actually make stuff that I want14:40
mgedmincrave, evenb14:40
lcukcrashanddie, i wanna talk to you later if you are around14:40
sneakretWhat. You don't want a Zune?!? ;)14:40
lcuka polished turd is still shit14:41
* jott lurks14:41
* sneakret lurks harder.14:41
lcukoi, stop lurking!14:41
* mgedmin throws a paper airplane at the lurkers14:42
* lcuk reprograms jott's cat to become a ferocious attack kitty and sends it to menace you while you lurk14:42
jottheh the cat sits on my chest and sleeps :)14:43
sneakretSpeaking of ubuntu, I've heard good things about mint. Is it hype?14:43
jottah now he is awake lcuk. you woke him :/14:43
lcukwell  soon it will extend its claws and not release until it removes a rib14:43
lcukdamn, the code was meant to mask that14:43
mgedminwhat's mint?14:43
jottyaf - yet another fork :p14:44
puslingI was about to forget my n810 today, so I thought there any "phone home" software that basically every 5 minutes checks for gps and wifi and if available then posts that info somewhere ?14:45
jottand no i have not tried it and i can't tell if it's any good :)14:45
sneakretFine. I'll try it now.14:45
lcukpusling, there was a security threda on itT fairly recently talking about this kindof stuff14:46
melmothpusling: i think there is such a script mentionned on internet tanlet talk14:46
sneakretWhen I got my N810, that was one of the first applications of the GPS that I thought of.14:46
sneakretbut I never followed through. I guess I oughta.14:46
lardmanpusling: there was a thread on itt iirc about phoning home after being stolen14:47
jottyeah, like if the n810 would get a gps fix in critical situations :)14:47
mgedmin"dear thief, please go into a large area and stand very still for 5 minutes"14:48
puslingjott: it usually gets fix when I don't really need it, but not when I do.14:48
mgedminlarge open area14:48
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jottpusling: exactly my point :)14:48
sneakretI have a phone that supposedly has really great GPS, but it's through Verizon and their firmware blocks GPS access unless you buy some stupid navigator service.14:48
sneakret$7/month or something14:48
sneakretandroid yesterday please14:48
mgedminthe first android phone was announced 3 days ago14:49
mgedminit is sim-locked and has no tethering14:49
mgedminbloody phone operators14:49
jottany gps phone-home application has to cache the data anyway as it's even more unlikely that there is a active wifi connection the same time you got a gps fix.14:49
sneakretYeah. Hooray for freedom. :/14:49
sneakretjott: That's a valid point, but  at some point you'd think whoever found/stole it would get it on wifi (hopefully prior to wiping it)14:50
jottsneakret: yeah that's why you have to cache/store the track and then submit it :)14:51
sneakretUh... yeah. Maybe I should read the WHOLE sentence.14:51
mgedminmy phone operator is selling the iphone 3g starting today14:51
mgedminmust resist evil apple lockin14:51
jottbest have some security penetration software running that exploits the local network and tries to get personal data :P14:51
mgedminwill nokia ever make an android phone?14:52
AStormno maemopad+ for Diablo14:52
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AStormI will *kill* the person that suggested flashing it.14:52
jaskai hope they toss symbian soon14:52
AStormor at least do something horrible to the one14:52
jottmgedmin: quite unlikely for now...14:52
AStormlet me check the logs...14:52
sneakretIs that your last name?14:53
Andradeim' new here...14:53
AndradeFelipe Andrade is my real name :)14:53
sneakretCool. I know an Andrade. :)14:53
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sneakretNot Felipe though.14:54
Andradefrom Brazil?14:54
sneakretHe's in Texas, US.14:54
sneakretbut maybe his ancestors are from Brazil.14:54
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AndradeI'm in Recife, BR14:54
sneakretMy brother spent a couple years in Brazil.14:54
sneakretOops. I lied. Portugal. I have a friend who spent a couple years in Brazil though. :)14:55
sneakretSame language at least! ;)14:55
sneakretMy favorite restaurant is brazillian though!14:55
sneakretGlad I could be so helpful.14:56
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sneakretOh, and I work with a guy from Brazil!14:56
sneakretI'm just full of useful information!14:57
Andradewhere do you work?14:57
sneakretI can't say. I'd be murdered.14:57
AStormok, hrw, you're getting the stick14:58
AStormbecause it was probably either you or GeneralAntilles14:58
AStormok, who has another maemopad+-like application?14:58
sneakret5 minutes left on my mint download...15:00
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hrwAStorm: ?15:01
* Khertan don't like syncml protocol !15:01
hrwsneakret: Portugese and Portugese-Brazil are not quite same language15:01
sneakretAre they more different than US and UK English?15:02
sneakretI didn't realize that. Cool.15:03
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AStormwell, that app has to be local15:04
RST38hMacBook Pro Automatically Self-Destructs in Time for Next Version15:05
AStormso, question: who has a xournal package for diablo for me to try?15:05
RST38hAStorm: Chinook Extras does15:05
AStormand it works with Diablo?15:06
AStormwhat about maemopad?15:06
RST38hisn't maemopad in diablo extras?15:06
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RST38hFind X-Fade and bug him into moving a few crucial packages from chinook extras to diablo extras15:07
AStormX-Fade: do it :)15:07
RST38heven if the source is not available15:07
sneakretAll taken care of now!15:07
AStormxournal is OSS15:07
RST38h'cause this is no longer funny15:07
AStormmaemopadplus is open too15:07
RST38hAStorm: OSS != compiles on Extras autobuilder15:07
* lcuk yowls in pain :(15:07
AStormI see no xournal in extras/pool/chinook15:08
RST38hlcuk: 810 is not THAT heavy15:08
RST38hAStorm: A moment15:08
AStormok, I need to get my sight checked again15:08
lcuk810 isnt the problem15:08
AStormor change the pointless unreadable courier font to dejavu sans mono or sth15:08
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RST38hfound it? ok15:08
AStormneed libart, libgnomecanvas2-0, libgnomeprint2.2-0 and poppler-utils15:09
AStormah well, it's in -devel15:10
AStormlet me try that out15:10
RST38hDO NOT touch the version in devel15:10
RST38hIt's fucked up15:10
AStormmhm, well15:10
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AStormI could just uninstall that ;P15:11
sneakretI can vouch for the xournel devel fail.15:11
AStormtrick is... the .install won't work :P15:11
AStormrejects these chinook repos now15:11
RST38hit will pull up a whole bunch of devel packages though15:11
RST38hFind and bug X-Fade.15:11
AStormX-Fade: you will be killed... after that person who told me it's safe to switch to Diablo15:12
Andrade[1]hey guys, is there a kind of widget support like in Nokia N-Series for Maemo?15:12
sneakretAStorm's "to do" list means something different from what you might think.15:12
sneakretIt's got people's names on it.15:12
Andrade[1]I mean Web Runtime...15:13
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AStormAndrade[1]: uhm... you probably mean desktop widgets? sure there is15:16
RST38hAndrade: no web runtime.15:16
lcuk~lart dentists15:16
RST38hThere is a web browser though15:16
Andrade[1]Ajax and Flash Development to build small apps15:17
RST38hlcuk: Screams from the first floor?15:17
lardmanreboot time15:17
lcukscreams from here, bloody hurts15:17
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jottlcuk: i can't remember visiting a dentist and *not* having more pain afterward than before.15:18
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jottthat's pure marketing - what if they would actually make it proper - we would never come back :)15:18
lcukjott, normally its cured on the whole, or i get painkillers, but none were offered and ive not got a chemists nearby to grab anything stronger than paracetamol15:18
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AndradeRST38h: thanks :P15:19
AStormthere is web runtime15:19
AStormwhich is actually a modded Gecko15:19
AStormso, you can use that15:19
AStormnot entirely sure if source to that is available15:20
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RST38hNo, this is not what he needs15:21
Andradeno problem... i can start it from scratch15:21
RST38hHe wants html/javascript widgets transparently integrated with the desktop15:21
AndradeI mean widger S6015:21
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AStormah, no, there's no API like that15:22
AStormgo port google widgets ;)15:22
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Andradesure :P15:22
jottyou can run plasma :P15:22
Andradeis there a project like this?15:22
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hrwAndrade: forget about web runtime based gadgets/widgets on maemo15:35
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X-Fadehrw: They are announced for the next release.15:36
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Andradehrw: ?15:36
hrwX-Fade: which has unknown release date15:36
X-Fadehrw: Well, there were some clues ;)15:36
Andradehrw: secret plans15:37
Mekhmm... it would perhaps be nice to add support for maemo's widgets to plasma, so you can use the same widget when running plasma-on-maemo as with normal maemo, and also use them on your normal kde desktop... :)15:37
JaffaNot entirely unknown - there's a clear roadmap from the announcement last week -> November alpha -> March-May betas -> mid-2009 release.15:37
AStormxournal is almost good, but has no means to manage information15:37
* hrw -> lunch15:37
Khertanhrw: it s possible to do google widget ...15:39
Khertanbut ... hum ... it ll eat many cpu cycle and memory15:39
Khertanwhat is plasme ?15:39
Khertanplasma ?15:39
MekKhertan: plasma is kde's desktop shell (which incidentally also can run on maemo :) )15:40
Mek(and plasma currently has support for google gadgets, macosx dashboard widgets, and its own plasmoids)15:40
KhertanMek: oh ... don't know15:40
Khertanalso for the support of the widget15:41
Khertangoogle gadgets is at this time really useless ... as they are all horrible15:41
AStormhmm, its shape recognizer could use some more fudge setting15:41
Andradewidget development is easy15:42
Andradetake a look at this one15:42
KhertanAndrade ... hum ...15:42
Andradeonly one hour15:42
* jott has yet to see a widget that draws his attention for more than 20 seconds...15:43
Khertanjott: use HomeCalendar it s an usefull widget :)15:43
Khertanat least if you use mCalendar :)15:43
* Jaffa needs to try the latest version15:44
AStormblah, shape recognizer still requires very careful drawing15:44
Andradejott: where do you live? i can make a camera surveillance system for your region in only few minutes15:44
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JaffaKhertan: although you don't want to do a grid, it might be interesting to vary the height of an item depending on its duration (within min & max limits, of course)15:44
KhertanAndrade: i live at Varinfroy ... in France ... try to found a web cam15:44
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KhertanJaffa: i say i ll not like a grid not i will not do it :)15:45
Khertanjust not the first priority15:45
JaffaAh :)15:46
KhertanBut maybe with your last sentence i ve found a solution to implement an home made grid without using cairo and making my own widget15:46
KhertanTHX JAFFA !!!!!15:46
JaffaWoohoo! :)15:46
Khertani will made a TreeView with custom bg color ... and size !15:47
* Jaffa aims to be helpful (most of the time ;-))15:47
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AStormpity xournal can't use text recognition as well (directly15:47
* Khertan just hope i can made different line size in a gtk.TreeView15:48
AStormor even... at all!15:48
AStormblah, no handwriting recognition... needs improvements15:48
Khertanoufffff we can set height of a line separatly15:49
KhertanJaffa: an another idea ? :)15:49
Andradekhertan: do you know a website like this one for your region?
Khertanjaffa: something about implementing syncml easily ?15:50
KhertanAndrade: lol there is nothing around my home15:50
KhertanAndrade: my town is arround 200 hundred habitant15:51
JaffaKhertan: not found any existing Python code?15:51
Khertanhum ... 200 habitant15:51
KhertanJaffa: i ve found something that i prefer to not read anymore ...15:51
Khertanas this is not really well coded and based on an python module, based itself on a non free lib15:52
JaffaUse some of the Java SyncML services - stick on a server somewhere and have it mangle the SyncML into something more sensible for your code?15:53
Khertanthe best thing i ve found is a young python module named pysyncml :
KhertanJaffa: i prefer a real sync ... image if people don't use google because they don't trust it ... imagine my own server :)15:54
JaffaStill wrapping the C++ API - building it'll be a lot more fun, though that could be a separate port (using mud to generate the auto-builder package)15:54
KhertanJaffa: yep but it wrap a free c++ api / lib which is the one implemented in the most of the server15:55
Khertanbut it require that i build the lib15:55
Khertansomething i can try tomorrow15:55
Khertanbut ... hum ... as you know i don't have many time to spent on my home computer15:56
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Jaffare lardman15:57
lardmanhi Jaffa15:57
hrwhi lardman15:59
lardmanhi hrw15:59
lardmansorry I missed your talk on qemu15:59
hrwlardman: no problem16:00
hrwlardman: I enjoyed your talk even if did not understood most of it;D16:00
lardmanI'm expanding that to make a document which should be more understandable, hopefully16:01
AStormthere's no Pidgin there either16:01
hrwlardman: I am not interested in dsp programming but attended your talk as it looked as most promising talk.16:01
hrwweb2py or py2web talk for example was disaster16:02
AStormX-Fade: ...16:02
X-FadeAStorm: Sorry, not here ;)16:02
lardmanI hope to get more people interested by showing that it's pretty easy to get started, etc.16:02
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lardmananyway, task of the moment is getting Navit to compile16:03
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RST38hAStorm: Pidgin is elsewhere16:05
RST38hboo, hrw16:05
jottlardman: which version do you use for navit?16:06
jottjust ./ && make ?16:07
RST38hlardman: navit does not work.16:07
lardmanalso needs the following configure switches: --enable-hildon --disable-binding-python16:07
lardmanand now I need to work out why pkg-config isn't finding the hildon libs16:08
RST38hAre you gonna make it work?> Please? Pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top? =)16:08
lardmanRST38h: how so?16:08
RST38hlardman: Crashes unpredictably16:08
lardmanah, yeah, I thought I'd take a look16:08
RST38hwants weird things. does weird things.16:08
lardmanjust like us then? ;)16:09
RST38hpretty much although it is not supposed to have free will16:09
melmothwe do not crash unpredic16:09
RST38hwe do not?16:09
Khertanweb2py talk was a disaster ? are you sure this was not the py2deb talk ?16:10
Khertanhrw: ?16:10
AStormRST38h: really? where?16:10
AStorm(as there is one in chinook extras)16:10
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RST38h+ there is one in collabora repo16:12
RST38hCollabora one is weird. Takes 20MB extra, according to installer16:12
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hrwKhertan: I did not attended py2deb talk16:13
JaffaAnd hopefully something like mud will be considered a home for the build receipe (or upstream), rather than a navit.garage.maemo.org16:13
lardmanJaffa: I'll liaise with you16:13
lardmanbut ideally yes16:14
lardmanand I don't see why now16:14
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lardmanI don't see why not (just to avoid any doubts about that)16:14
AStormRST38h: that one is Chinook extras...16:14
AStormnot in diablo, but it works16:15
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AStormX-Fade: you failed truly16:15
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aquatixlardman: one of these days eh?16:15
X-FadeAStorm: Thanks for the encouraging comments ;)16:15
lardmanaquatix: yeah :)16:15
* aquatix is not really coherent too today16:15
aquatixdamn flue16:15
AStormX-Fade: so, please move or copy some of these packages16:15
lardmanaquatix: lol, was going to say buy a CO detector16:16
lardmanbut in this case will say "get well soon" :)16:16
aquatixheh, thanks16:16
lardmanIs hildon-libs now known as hildon-1 ?16:16
lardmanfor pkg-config16:16
* lardman shows his lack of GUI programming experience16:17
RST38hX-Fade: Stuff that does not build on the extrasautobiulder but is still very important (like xournal)16:17
aquatixso it's a quiet day at work for me today16:17
RST38hX-Fade: Could you simply copy it to Diablo repo? Copy it into non-free if you like, does not matter as long as it is there16:17
X-FadeRST38h: Dude, things like that can be fixed with very little effort.16:17
RST38hX-Fade: Yes, but it has been so long, and they have not been fixed yet16:18
X-FadeIt seems that people just don't care about that package, otherwise it would have been there already.16:18
lardmanto answer my question, yes
RST38hX-Fade: yes but the users care16:18
X-FadeRST38h: It is in extras-devel.16:19
RST38hNot fair to keep it from the users just because package's author is having hard time16:19
RST38hX-Fade: No, the extras-devel xournal is an unusable alpha version16:19
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RST38hX-Fade: Dunno about maemopad+ - AStorm is saying it is not there either16:19
jottlardman: compiled fine with applied16:20
X-FadeRST38h: maemopad+ got uploaded yesterday, but a lib is missing.16:20
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RST38hX-Fade: btw, the maemo logo there has opaque background16:21
X-FadeRST38h: Where?16:21
RST38hX-Fade: See in IE16:22
X-FadeRST38h: Upgrade to 7.16:22
X-FadeRST38h: That is the IE png bug.16:22
RST38hIt is a machien at work. I do not decide on upgrades for these16:23
RST38hMaybe just replace it with a gif?16:23
jottie6 is the spawn of evil16:23
X-Fade1 bit transparancy is not really great looking for that ;)16:23
RST38hjott: you mean ie7 is not?16:24
AStormthere is a nasty hack to allow almost proper transparency in PNG in IE16:24
RST38hwell, replacing it with gif will fix the problem16:24
hrwif you do website then please forget that ie6 exists16:24
AStormsome directshow tuneup, can be done locally with javascript16:24
jottRST38h: well it is too but ie6 really caused so much damage to the whole web.16:24
X-FadeRST38h: No, because then you would have very ugly borders.16:24
jottX-Fade: you can blend it to a fixed background color16:24
RST38hWait, why?16:25
AStormcheck about "IE6 png workaround"16:25
RST38hYou mean the image is antialiaced?16:25
RST38hjott: So did NS4 =)16:25
X-FadeWe have less than 10% IE6 users orso.16:25
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X-FadeAt some point you should just stop caring about that..16:25
AStormYes, send them a message16:25
AStormIE6 = ugly16:25
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RST38hjott: And if we only let Gopher live, imagine what would web look like today!16:26
X-FadeAnd I am still hoping we get a new design soon.16:26
AStormthere would be no "web" as we know it16:26
X-FadeSo perhaps it will fix itself.16:26
AStormjust a WSDL hell16:26
RST38hX-Fade: Well, General asked me and I have done the layout16:26
AStormplus gopher ;P16:26
RST38hX-Fade: Fast, resizable, looks well on the tablet, no JS16:26
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AStormok, anyway... a good file manager for the tablet? (no, the default one sucks major)16:27
RST38hAStorm: MC16:27
jottRST38h: i guess with gopher we would have much less of evil webapps :p16:27
AStormno, that doesn't work well with the touchscreen16:27
johnxAStorm, emelfm2 and pcmanfm, IIRC16:27
RST38hAStorm: Errata: you will have to ssh to the tablet from outside to run it well =)16:27
johnxI don't use 'em but supposedly they work16:28
mgedminwell, mc in the xterm works too16:28
RST38hemelfm is an abomination16:28
KhertanAStorm: osso-xterm is a good one16:28
mgedminif you know that esc, letter == alt+letter16:28
RST38hmgedmin: except that its input is unusbale =(16:28
AStormKhertan: doesn't like touchscreen either16:28
mgedminand that you can simulate function keys by esc + number 0..916:28
* jott wished webapps would just be extinguished...16:28
AStormjott: then vote for WSDL and such initiatives16:28
RST38hjott: Don't take my gmail from me16:28
mgedminthe cripledness of the traditional unix terminal i/o works to our favour here16:28
AStormand kick W3C for making the standard unreadable/unwritable by humans16:28
AStormstupid design by M$16:29
AStormnamespace abuse and all that16:29
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RST38hPlease, gentlemen, let us be more general and just vote for KILLING ALL PEOPLE16:29
RST38hPeople are the problem, don't you see?16:29
jottAStorm: i don't like the idea of code being run on remote servers i don't have access to.16:29
AStormthen run local apps?16:29
mgedminI'm not sure about ALL PEOPLE16:29
jotti do :)16:29
RST38hjott: JS runs locally16:29
AStormthey can use WSDL too, so...16:29
mgedminI mean, who will draw the webcomics I read daily?16:30
RST38hmgedmin: robots.16:30
jottRST38h: uhm, gmail does not use js for it's database engine :P16:30
RST38hMost stuff consumed by geeks can be written by robots anyway16:30
AStormdoes "kill all people" include yourself?16:30
jottatleast i hope so ;)16:30
RST38hAStorm: Alas, yes16:30
mgedminonly if he isn't SECRETLY A ROBOT!!!16:30
* johnx is obviously a bot16:30
RST38hAStorm: But only AFTER I am done with the rest16:30
AStormBAN ;)16:30
* johnx isn't on the list of course :)16:30
RST38hjott: I see no problem with remote database engines16:31
AStormI'll check that pcmanfm16:31
RST38hjott: May have a problem with who manages them of course, but this is always a concern16:31
AStormdoes it support obex nicely?16:32
AStormthat is a major selling point16:32
jottRST38h: well i prefer opensource software.16:32
blafaselRST38h: Please tell me that you don't listen to evil metal or play violent and aggressive video games.16:32
jottand webapps are a usually a step further to even binary software.16:32
RST38hblafasel: 1. I do not listen to evil metal16:32
jotti mean i can attach a debugger or disassemble binaries :)16:32
RST38hblafasel: 2. I play extremely violent and aggressive video games, such as Zombies Ate My Neighbors and XEvil16:33
blafaselDamn. Now I'm scared.16:33
jottbut that's as always is a matter of choice and preferences..16:33
RST38hblafasel: [and yes, I enjoy 'em immensely]16:33
RST38hjott: What if you manage the server yourself?16:33
jottRST38h: that works. as i said "i don't like the idea of code being run on remote servers i don't have access to."16:34
RST38hblafasel: If you heard stuff I listen to, you would be even more scared16:34
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etrunko_lapkulve: ping16:45
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lardmanbloody thing, doesn't navit.c apparently calls a fn which has been removed16:48
lardmanhi etrunko_lap16:48
RST38hmsut have a replacement though16:48
etrunko_laplardman: cheers!16:49
lardmanstrange that navit.c calls it though, from the same svn checkout16:49
lardmanetrunko_lap: not happy that you have 30C weather!16:49
RST38hit is possible that the committer had an older component that still supplied that function16:49
RST38hand nobody tried to build the codebase after commit16:50
lardmanI'm sure there are reasons, just a bit annoying16:50
etrunko_laplardman: come and join us!16:50
Anunakinhi all!16:50
jottlardman: hmm strange i wonder why it compiled here :/16:50
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lardmanjott: did you enable hildon?16:50
* jott checks16:50
* RST38h sighs and gets to merging the source trees =(16:50
lardmancheck config.log, it silently fails when it can't find the hildon-libs pkg-config file16:50
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jottah no16:51
lardmanneed to change that to hildon-1, and alter the include path in gui_gtk_window.c, and then pass the correct pkg-config strings to place in CFLAGS, etc.16:51
jottlooks like its made for a newer/older version of hildon ..16:52
RST38hwhat function?16:52
lardmanyeah, older version16:52
lardmanRST38h: ?16:53
RST38hwhat function is missing?16:53
etrunko_lapkulve: is there any problem if we have libogg and libvorbis packages in the extras repo?16:54
etrunko_lapplease please please16:54
RST38hthis isn't a hildon function16:54
RST38hbut maybe you should try including libhildonfm/libhildonfm2 ?16:55
lardmanno, it's a fn which should be in map.c16:55
jottlardman: mm compiles here :p16:55
jottlardman: changed to use hildon-116:56
rm_youmorning :)16:56
jottand changed path to hildon-1/hildon/...16:56
lardmanjott: strange, have you altered the path to the hildon include files?16:56
lardmanah, ok16:56
woglindesmells like rotten autotools use16:56
jottrm_you: hey16:56
lardmanright, got 0.0.4 to compile16:56
lardmanwoglinde: the pkg-config stuff is broken, have to manually add the pkg-config output for hildon to the main CFLAGS, etc.16:57
woglindelardman hm in sratchbox?16:57
lardmanI have to go out, bbl16:57
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jottlardman: i just added the full path :)16:57
lardmanwoglinde: yeah16:57
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jottin the .h :)16:57
lardmanwoglinde: it's the Makefile at fault though16:57
jott(excluding /usr/include)16:57
jottthat seems to work16:57
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lardmanjott: yeah, it will do16:57
lardmantry 0.0.4, that has the correct fn in map.c16:58
woglindeyeah poor developers16:58
lardmanI'll try some testing when I get home16:58
jottah, well i use svn :)16:58
lardmancu all later16:58
woglindedont get the 10 minutes for autotools love16:58
woglindebye lardman16:58
lardmanjott: and it's built?16:58
* lardman is interested now16:58
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jottas i said just changed and then changed the path to hildon-1/..16:59
lardmanhmm, I'm missing that filename fn16:59
lardmanwhen it comes to linking16:59
woglindehm what package it is?16:59
woglindeis navit really this old16:59
jottwell at least that broken :)16:59
lardmanmap_get_filename is defined in map.h, but isn't actually in map.c afaict; no idea how you got it to compile, unless they fixed the error since my pull last night?17:00
jotthmm who knows :)17:00
woglindehm registerd 3 years ago17:00
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RST38hlardman: It is. finds its source :)17:01
woglindejott and you get it compiled?17:02
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jottwoglinde: it seems so17:02
jottnot actually started it yet :)17:02
woglindedoes it work with the 810 gpsd ?17:03
jotti seem to recall that it does.17:04
jotti never actually tried it, but the osm guys at linuxtag had it running.17:04
woglindeah hm17:04
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woglinde#DIRECTFB_CFLAGS="-D_REENTRANT -I/data/oe/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/directfb/"17:05
woglindein the configure.in17:05
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woglindejott yep its funny because I maintained the last directfb recipes in oe17:07
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jotthmm well it does not look very hildonized :P17:12
jotthehe on the default location there is a place called "Hackerbr├╝cke" :)17:13
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RST38hWhat is a "3" before "j" ,17:14
RST38hI mean, in latin charset?17:14
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jotthm i see navit is partly hildonized. the hw keys work but the menu is still gtk-ish17:16
jottand it even create a route :O17:17
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woglindejott hehe17:18
woglindewhich cardmatrial you have?17:19
woglindehm Add:graphics:Add WM_Class support to windows17:19
jottthat's an osm snapshot of munich as it seems17:19
woglindecommited 4 days ago17:19
jottsome area of it.17:19
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jotthm you probably have to use an external tool to fetch/create the maps17:20
woglindejott they have no hildon-progamm in the gtk code17:20
woglindeso its clear17:20
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jottjust key bindings.17:21
woglindebut this shouldnt be hard to add17:21
jottbetter than nothing :)17:21
jottno indeed17:21
jottthe rendering quality is actually quite acceptable17:22
kulveetrunko_lap: yes, I guess there is a problem. Afaik, mogg project already provides those? But with the missing symbols..17:22
woglindehm I wonder why they have to set WM_CLASS manually17:22
jottah i spotted theresienwiese :)17:22
woglindeI thought a gtkwindow has it per default17:23
etrunko_lapkulve: No problem at all.. the mogg packages are quite outdated17:23
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etrunko_lapkulve: just in case i uploaded the vorbisidec to extras-devel17:24
jotthmm i only see WM_CLASS in the cegui frontend17:24
etrunko_lapas a matter of test17:24
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etrunko_lapkulve: it was your package without any modifications17:25
woglindejott hm in add_bookmark window17:25
kulveetrunko_lap: I mean that I don't think I should upload my packages there, if the mogg project has already uploaded them..17:25
woglindehm but they have a clutter port too17:26
jottnow we only need clutter on the n8x0 :)17:27
etrunko_lapkulve: may i send you a mail so we can discuss about that issue? i'll copy the mogg guy... at least the base packages such as libogg and libvorbisidec should be shared by both of you guys17:27
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kulveetrunko_lap: sure17:29
etrunko_lapkulve: great17:29
etrunko_lapit'll ease things a lot17:29
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kulveI don't mind you overriding the mogg's packages, but I just see it a bit suspicous :)17:33
kulveI don't want to end up in a situation where we upgrade the version numbers to get our package to be the one that gets installed17:34
etrunko_lapi understand17:36
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Italodancethanl u so much for be with u17:36
Italodanceo think17:36
Italodancei am crying17:36
Italodancei think i should say goodbye here forever17:36
Italodancewe have good time together17:37
Italodancei missed my n80017:37
Italodancea robber  :(17:37
RST38ha reason to buy n81017:37
Italodancegoodbye maemo17:38
* qwerty12 would rather wait for the next device17:38
Italodancebut maybe can find it :(17:38
mgedminqwerty12: that would be a wait until next may17:38
Italodanceok so goodbye i am really crying.17:38
woglindehm we will throw it away if he finds out that it not runs windows17:39
RST38hmgedmin: at least until the next may17:39
Andradeitalodance: where do you live?17:39
RST38h'cause as General said, they promise to release SDK in may17:39
ItalodanceAndrade iran17:39
RST38hItalodance: they do not cut hands for robberies in Iran?17:39
Italodancethank u for ur always favor guys17:39
lcukhow did a robber get their hands on it? they must be pissed off with themselves to discover its not a phone ;)17:39
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qwerty12mgedmin, true. but I don't find an upgrading to an N810 from a N800 worthwhile. Plus, at least next device will hopefully be able to play video back properly. (i.e not have shit epson chipset)17:40
ItalodanceRST38h .....maybe they can find my device17:40
mgedminqwerty12: have you upgraded?17:40
RST38hItalo: Even if they can't, you can buy a new one17:40
mgedminI was very sceptical of the n810 before I got one17:40
mgedminI'm very happy I got one17:40
mgedminit took me maybe two days to convert17:40
ItalodanceRST38h IT is available only in USA17:41
Italodancei bought mine in dubai,and there was very rare17:41
RST38hItalo: Also available in Europe and even in Russia17:41
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qwerty12mgedmin, nope. still using an N800. I don't doubt the N810 has useful things on it like the keyboard etc but the GPS isn't much cop and it shares lacking hardware too :(17:41
Italodanceyes but asia really no!17:41
mgedminit's prettier17:41
RST38hmgedmin: easier to scratch though17:42
qwerty12RST38h, Seen my N800?17:42
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RST38hqwerty: That's yours =)17:42
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Italodanceok thnx forever17:42
RST38hMy n810 got scratched by breadcrumbs on the back =(17:42
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qwerty12bread crumbs?17:43
qwerty12The latch for opening the battery cover is scratched on my and my "d-pad" (if that is right term) is scratched heavily too. (At least led is more visible now)17:44
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RST38hYou abuse your little sweet n800!17:45
RST38hOh, the monster!17:45
RST38h[do you spank it?\17:45
qwerty12meh, I've damaged it a bit. touchscreen stops working sometimes :/. Once alarm was going off and I had no touchscreen working so I went straight for the battery17:46
RST38hYou took its breath away!17:46
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thuxStskeeps: in the end after couple hours installer failed and quit, i chroot to sdcard and dpkg --configure -a tells: "Errors were encountered while processing:nit-env-stskeeps"?17:46
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KhertanRah ... user reports other errors about reccuring event in mCalendar17:54
Khertanso ... i ll take some time tomorrow to review all the code with a bigger screen17:54
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Italodancehi again dear friends18:31
Italodanceplz tell me who has iphone 3g?18:31
Jaredunot me, but what's the question18:31
Jaredumy uncle has one and my aunt has the normal18:31
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ItalodanceJaredu tell me can it read ebooks like pdf files>?18:32
Italodancei want to buy one18:32
Jaredui dont believe it can do pdf's/18:32
Italodanceand hope be the same IT :(18:32
Jareduill double check18:32
Jaredubut im pretty sure18:32
Jareduwhile you're waiting, ;)18:33
Italodancei'll see you18:34
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Jaredui paused my torrent to get that link grrr >.<18:35
GeneralAntillesAStorm, just pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras. . . .18:35
JaffaJaredu: not entirely useful FAQ - given it doesn't mention 3G18:35
Jaredu3g is the same phone w/ 3g support and front facing camera pretty much18:35
Jaffa...and a new software version.18:36
Jaredufirmware can be updated lol18:36
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to beat Quim up for using camel case.18:47
GeneralAntillesOn the Wiki18:48
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nomisBwaaaahaaahaa! Mark complains about the "your concerns and use cases are irrelevant" attitude!!  :)18:59
GeneralAntillesOh the irony!18:59
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lcukgeneralAntilles, whatIsWrongWithCamelCase?  itWorksWhenYouHaven'tGotASpaceBar19:17
GeneralAntillesWell, if you haven't got a spacebar then you shouldn't be editing the wiki.19:17
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing wrong with camel case if it's what you're using.19:17
GeneralAntillesBut we're not using camel case on the wiki.19:17
lcukthatsj ust bein spacist :P not all keyboards were brought up the same19:17
GeneralAntillesUsing it breaks consistency.19:17
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lcuknokia could afterall have decided not to include a spacebar (hell, its one step away from tab:P) and then where would you be? huh! huh! :D19:18
GeneralAntillesWith a lot of dumbass N810 users not editing a wiki.19:18
lcukor your blood pressure boiling when they do :D19:18
lcukyes, thats how we will describe the bug report to nokia "please insert extra keys so GeneralAntilles doesn't explode"19:19
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lcukon a slightly lighter note: tracy decided to smash the car up today19:20
lcukshe rung me and told me she had picked up all the pieces :S19:20
GeneralAntillesShe ok?19:20
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lcukperfectly, it was her vs a trolley park19:21
lcukand she lost19:21
lcuki could  barely listen to her for laughin :D it was awesome, i really hope the store got cctv footage :D19:21
johnxwill it be covered by insurance?19:22
Jaffalcuk: Data Protection Act means they *have* to turn it over, too ;-)19:22
* johnx hears some people actually have more than minimum coverage on their vehicles19:22
lcuki obviously dont care - cars need bumps and dents and you cannot worry about it - but it was her descriptions of how everytime she moved the scrapin nooise got worse19:23
lcuk:D excellent jaffa19:23
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lcukjohnx, nahhh not worth it, its just a bit of a panel bashin needed19:23
lcukim not givin up my mega no claims for this19:24
johnxah, that doesn't even count then19:24
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* johnx reminisces about the car before his present one19:24
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lcukheh,. right off again, bblater19:24
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Jaredui am totally loving the creator of vgba right now :D19:25
Jareduthe optimizations are excellenntttt19:25
JaffaGeneralAntilles: the others seem to have been Sprint'n', though. Why isn't the next one Sprint6/19:30
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GeneralAntilles'cause the 100 days are over19:31
GeneralAntillesbut I'm not sure why we can't continue on with that naming scheme.19:31
GeneralAntillesMaybe poke Quim on -community.19:31
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jottJaredu: he is in the channel, thank RST38h directly :)19:35
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, is there a readme on the .items somewhere?19:38
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johnxlcuk, if you're curious, I'm quite familiar with the concept of "cars that have character"
* GeneralAntilles sighs.19:40
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moontigerjohnx: thaqt looks like seattle19:41
JareduRST38h, you are amazing.19:42
johnxmoontiger, why do you say that?19:42
Jaredui do wonder if there's a way to change the button layout19:43
johnxmoontiger, though you're correct :)19:43
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moontigerhehe i spend a lot of time in redmond and thsat looks very familiar19:43
Jaredulol, i cans play pokemon on nit while waiting for torrents xD19:45
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Jaredugames look awesome fullscreen now...19:45
* johnx downloads new vgba19:45
Jareduits playable now :P19:45
Jaredugoes down to 8fps sometimes and the sound is somewhat choppy19:45
Jaredubut the good old gba feel is there19:46
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johnxnow if only the d-pad on my n800 hadn't degenerated into a mushy, unusable mess19:47
Jareduim hoping theres a way to hack the button layout :P19:47
Jaredu //wants to use the keyboard layout gba style19:48
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Jareduqwe asd zxc = directionals fn = L ^ = R l = a + =b19:49
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Jareduthat'd be great19:49
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GeneralAntillesSomebody want to push svn to Diablo Extras?20:31
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GNUtonHi there20:37
Andy80GNUton: Hi :)20:38
GNUtonHey Andy80! :)20:39
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Andy80GNUton: you remember me? :) (andrea grandi) ;)20:39
AStormGeneralAntilles: I'd like a git package too :)20:39
GNUtonAndy80: of course! :) How are you Andrea20:39
Andy80GNUton: I'm so happy for the PyQt4 release :D20:39
GNUtonAndy80: me too! :D20:39
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Andy80I'm fine, and you? How is the life in the north :P ??20:39
GeneralAntillesAStorm, I'm playing around with on-device building without much success here.20:40
GeneralAntillesThe busybox grep sucks too much to compile subversion, apparently.20:40
AStormit does20:40
AStormyou need coreutils and others20:40
AStormI had to hack things a bit to install all the real tools20:40
AStormnot much loss of disk space20:40
GeneralAntillesStupid busybox20:40
AStormbusybox is not meant for a full system like the one on Maemo20:41
GNUtonAndy80: it's quite good.. in these days it's sunny...20:41
GeneralAntillesHopefully Fremantle will make it easier to replace20:41
AStormcoreutils built with uclibc are small enough20:41
Andy80GNUton: good :)20:41
AStormbut then, the device *is slow*20:41
AStormbuilding perl took quite long, some 20 minutes20:41
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AStormor not exactly perl, but some package from perl I required20:42
AStormtons of stuff from CPAN20:42
AStormit's all slow (due to tests)20:42
AStormshould use a cross compiler instead somewhere else20:43
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Andy80GNUton: have you published/linked your slides in the wiki? :)20:43
AStormbut unfortunately Debian doesn't like cross20:44
AStormthere's no way to build a package w/o a full system20:44
GNUtonAndy80: not yet..20:44
AStormso, it boils down to T2 SDE and Gentoo20:44
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Andy80GNUton: in wich city are you? is it funny or just cold and boring?20:46
AStormGeneralAntilles: if I could somehow rig distcc to only build on a remote machine, now that would be better, but not good enough still20:48
johnxlinking would still have to happen on the device, and so would autotools20:50
GNUtonAndy80: I'm in Helsinki.. it guess it's quite funny if you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends.. if you spend all your time behind a pc.. It's not very fun..20:50
ion_cu_vacaso, I made a test app in eclipse using maemo sdk wmware. compiles and runs fine in soapbox. what do I change now to compile for the tablet?20:50
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johnxion_cu_vaca, compile for the armel target in scratchbox20:51
ion_cu_vacaI know that I have to do that, I don't know how to do it20:52
GNUtonion_cu_vaca: ok, It's a good starting point :P20:53
Andy80GNUton: well... then I hope you have a beautiful girl and a couple of friends :) (if you don't have one, there should be enough girls there!! :D)20:55
GNUtonAndy80: I've got a wonderful girl, but unfortunately she's in Italy.. :(20:56
Andy80GNUton: doh! :(20:56
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lardmanjott: you still about?21:08
lardmanjott: I did svn update and still the same error!21:08
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jottlardman: hmmm strange. let me do a clean checkout.21:14
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RST38hMaybe if you tell me the exact problem I will locate you the missing function that you can paste in?21:21
jottlardman: still compiles fine. <- these are the only changes i made to svn21:22
jott(r1419 obviously)21:22
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jottand then ./ && ./configure --enable-hildon && make21:23
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RST38hMaybe you have different Maemo SDKs?21:23
jottmaybe you miss some strange dependency that i have installed and the configure script isn't looking for?21:23
ion_cu_vacawoo hoo! works! compiled for armel, transfered with scp and works from first try!21:25
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lardmanI wonder if I'm checking out from the right place then?21:25
jott svn co <- as on the navit homepage21:26
lardmanyeah, I thought that's what I used21:26
lardmanI'll go again21:26
NaviDamn you all and your navi highlighting ways21:26
johnxion_cu_vaca, great. glad it worked. did you have to change something in eclipse?21:27
jottNavi: check for navi[\s:,] ;)21:27
NaviYou got my hopes up21:27
NaviI thought someone actually wanted to talk to me ._.21:28
GeneralAntillesNope, sorry.21:28
jottNavi: just compile navit it will make you feel better :P21:28
NaviDoubt it21:29
jottyou haven't even tried :P21:29
lardman:) so true21:29
NaviUnless they've modeled Navit after Navi21:29
NaviHey! Turn left in five seconds!21:29
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NaviListen! A stop sign is five meters away!21:29
johnxif you miss a turn a flashing little faerie flies all over the screen obscuring your map21:30
NaviLook! Turn left... NOW!21:30
jottNavi: sure, your nit glows in the dark and i bet you can make it even use flite to make it talk to you ;)21:30
NaviIt's not the same21:30
lardmanhmm, looks like I pulled from somewhere else, certainly didn't have a trunk21:30
GeneralAntillesSomebody should put together a Navi voice for flite.21:30
jottlardman: ah does it work now?21:31
lardmannot sure yet, waiting for it to pull "trunk/navit/navit/script/osm2navit_sea/data"21:31
ion_cu_vacajohnx, yes. menu Project->Propreties->ESBox build target->DIABLO_ARMEL21:31
johnxion_cu_vaca, cool. now I'll be able to answer the next person using eclipse :)21:31
* lardman twiddles his thumbs waiting for svn21:37
lardmanand decides to go and have a drink21:37
* RST38h read it as "go and have a trunk"21:41
* moontiger laughs21:41
RST38hsvn to blame.21:41
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* Jaffa gets outbid on an old 770 with Navicore on eBay. May have to look at some reverse engineering fun on the Wayfinder format21:44
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RST38hit's encrypted afaik21:44
RST38hso happy hacking21:45
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JaffaHopefully, the market conditions next summer'll mean navigaation has to be bundled; given phones are including built-in mavigation.21:45
johnxdon't nokia's own phones already include navigation?21:46
RST38hyes, but you have to pay21:46
* keesj hopes that this includes software from a known navigation thingy company21:46
RST38hand you pay for the "service" i.e. on constant basis21:46
* RST38h bets on Google improving Mobile Gmaps to have decent navigation and pushing all these greedy motherfuckers out of the market21:47
johnxkeesj, I think Nokia owns the makers of wayfinder now. I doubt they'll go with someone else21:47
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GeneralAntillesHow's OSM navigation?21:48
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GeneralAntillesThink they'll ever get to the point where offline turn-by-turn would be workable?21:48
johnxGeneralAntilles, it depends on if anyone has made maps of your area I suppose21:48
RST38hOSM is useless pretty much anywhere but US21:50
keesjwhat is OSM?21:50
GeneralAntillesFine by me. :P21:50
RST38hWhere it uses TIGER data afaik21:50
GeneralAntilles~osm is
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles21:50
RST38hGeneral: TIGER isn't very precise to begin with - it has not been collected for navigation21:50
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jottosm data for berlin is really good.21:52
jottGeneralAntilles: navit supports turn-by-turn with osm data :)21:52
jott(not sure how good though)21:53
RST38hKot: I am currently suspecting Ubuntu of killing my HD21:53
RST38hThe way it starts and stops it every few seconds can't be good21:53
johnxyeah, osm is pretty bare around here...which means 100 times better than the coverage of wayfinder21:54
RST38hah, screw the wayfinder...21:54
KotCzarnyrst38h: that's i think is the problem of any distro21:54
KotCzarnyeven windows21:54
RST38hWindows does not appear to do it too often21:54
KotCzarnystupid parkeverysecond idea21:54
RST38hI set it to ~5 minutes and this is how it does it21:54
jottRST38h: there was a bug in an older ubuntu version... afair.21:54
KotCzarnybecause windows accesses disk all the time21:54
KotCzarnyi think you can try using ftool if it's a hitachi21:55
RST38hjott: Any references or fixes? I keep mine up to date though...21:55
KotCzarnyor firmware flash21:55
jottRST38h: i think this one
KotCzarnythen you have hdparm -S21:55
RST38hTried that, looks ok so far21:55
KotCzarnyand power management too21:56
* RST38h read the page. Evil stuff21:59
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lardmanJaffa: will join you with the rev eng effort22:00
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lardmanthen again with 3G connection, may as well just use Google routing for free on the next device!22:01
GeneralAntillesYou can already do that. :P22:02
lardmanyeah, expensive as it is though22:02
jottdoes it really work? like when you drive the wrong way it instantly corrects the directions?22:02
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RST38hif you mean maemo-mapper, it does not work very well on directions22:03
GeneralAntillesNo, it's not as fast as a real navigator.22:03
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lardmanRST38h: that's the google backend though22:05
lardmanGeneralAntilles: really, most of the ones I've seen need a few seconds at least to think about it22:05
lardmanjott: aargh, same error22:06
lardmanjott: In function `navit_window_items_open':navit.c:(.text+0x36c0): undefined reference to `map_get_filename'22:07
jottlardman: hmmm well only thing i see now is that you miss some dependencies.. :/22:08
lardmanhmm, that's in map.c though, in the main program22:09
jott <- fwiw22:09
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lardmanor rather it's in map.h, not in map.c22:09
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jottstill strange that you get a linker error..22:10
lardmando you have the fn in question declared in map.h and implemented in map.c?22:11
jottmmh no :O22:11
lardmanI checked out from the url you have above - was different to my first checkout22:12
lardmanso you have nothing in map.h?22:12
lardmannothing related anyway22:12
jottjust the char *map_get_filename(struct map *this_);  in map.h22:12
lardmanhmm, I wonder how you got it to link then?22:13
jottheh. it just did.22:13
jottmaybe you could just comment out the line in navit/navit.c ... it seems to be just a dbg message anyway22:14
lardmanyeah, still weird though22:14
nemoso. did you guys catch that Fennec installs nicely on a Nokia N8x0 now?22:15
lardmanoh right, and does it run nicely?22:15
jottlardman: indeed. esp. that it compiles and runs here...22:15
jottyeah looks quite ok to me.22:15
lardmanjott: if I comment that line it compiles ok22:15
jotthm still mysterious..22:16
GeneralAntillesnemo, that's been the case for a while.22:16
nemoGeneralAntilles: reallly.22:16
jottmaybe dbg is a macro?22:16
nemoGeneralAntilles: hrm. so I guess apart from this Milestone 8, nothing else is new22:16
lardmanjott: yeah, I was wondering that22:16
nemoGeneralAntilles: I thought it was still in crashy alpha territory before.22:16
GeneralAntillesnemo, the N8x0 is the original Fennec demo device.22:16
GeneralAntillesWell, running doesn't have a lot to do with installing. :P22:17
lardmanjott: anyway, will try it a bit later on22:17
nemoGeneralAntilles: oh. oops. "runs nicely" :-p22:17
johnxruns nicely? /me jumps to try it22:17
nemo - I was just reading this thingy is all22:17
nemooh. no plugins though :(22:17
johnxplugins will come later I'm sure22:18
johnxit's what makes firefox, firefox :)22:18
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jottlardman: yeah as long as it compiles now you can finally go and mess with it :)22:18
GeneralAntillesxul is really heavy.22:18
KotCzarnyalthough i'll be happy with properly rendering every page22:18
KotCzarnyand fast22:18
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nemojohnx: um. not addons. plugins22:20
nemojohnx: flash vs, say, firebug.22:20
johnxah, then I care even less. woo!22:20
johnxsaves me disabling flash on my own22:20
nemojohnx: flash is number one source of firefox crashes :)22:21
johnxand general slowness and focus stealing and johnx annoyance22:21
jottflash is number of source of all linux based browser crashes :)22:21
GeneralAntilles^ MicroB22:21
nemojott: blows up windows a lot too22:21
johnxmac os x users have no love for it either22:22
jottactually i really hope html5 will make flash disappear forever :)22:22
GeneralAntillesWell, it doesn't crash my browser.22:22
johnxit survived the dotcom crash...I don't think it will ever go away22:22
GeneralAntillesJust brings it to a screeching halt for about 30 seconds with certain applets.22:22
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jottgoogle has the power of youtube. and 95% of the end-users use flash just because of youtube :)22:23
jottso if google offers html5 video rendering... :)22:23
KotCzarnyyoutube can be used with js + mplayer22:23
jottKotCzarny: bleh.22:23
jottKotCzarny: it can be used with wget too22:23
jottand telnet22:24
jottand what ever22:24
KotCzarny+ mplayer22:24
jottstill this is well below 0.0001% of users :)22:24
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KotCzarnythat's only because they have it easy22:24
KotCzarnythe majority22:25
johnx"Why back in my day..." *shakes cane*22:25
KotCzarnysugar cane daddy?22:25
jottyeah, that's why html5 at least brings chances to destroy flash hegemony.22:25
KotCzarnyif someone invents on-the-fly swf2html5 converter..22:25
KotCzarnythen it could work22:26
jottGeneralAntilles: try to get some KotCzarny style extra lines? ;>22:26
KotCzarnyjott, don't use smileys, or you will be next ;)22:26
jottKotCzarny: i use many smileys but not on a separate line ;)22:26
KotCzarnyjott: like it does matter :)22:27
KotCzarnysmiley is a smiley22:27
jottKotCzarny: :P22:27
lardmanso we reckon Fennec works?22:27
GeneralAntilleslardman, it's still slow.22:27
KotCzarnyi'm first?22:27
lardmanyeah, was in the other room sorry, multitasking!22:28
jottstill, not even counted your "comeback" :)22:28
KotCzarnyand i wasn't even active in the last few months22:28
qwerty12_N800jott: rig the fucking stats so that I get cursing award please :p22:28
jottyeah but lcuk beats the shit out of your word count ;)22:28
KotCzarnyjott: btw. pisg allows sorting by wordcount too22:28
KotCzarny:)22:28 bt headphones crashed22:28
jottKotCzarny: yeah.22:29
jottmaybe add support to sort by smiley count :P22:29
KotCzarnyi think it's there already22:29
KotCzarny'is happy/unhappy'22:30
jottmaybe smileys are counted at least22:30
GeneralAntillesSmiley-only lines count negative.22:30
KotCzarnychelli brings happiness to the world. 49.2% lines contained smiling faces. :)22:30
KotCzarnyanyway, it doesn't matter22:31
GeneralAntillesNobody likes spammers anyway.22:31
jottqwerty12_N800: have to poke mgedmin again.22:31
jottGeneralAntilles: says the #2 ;)22:32
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KotCzarnyga will be very bad husband22:32
KotCzarnyaccording to the article i posted22:32
KotCzarnywith all his stuckness to being stiff22:33
KotCzarnyand hatred to nonverbal communication22:33
* qwerty12_N800 misread stiff part. sorry.22:33
johnxI like the idea of non-verbal communications over IRC22:34
johnxwe can just sit here and make faces at our computers22:34 verbs? just nouns and adjectives?22:34
Fatalalthough, the effect of a good *headdesk* is lost over irc :/22:35
KotCzarny*headkb* could get through22:35
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johnxoh man, I like the look of fennec on epaper :)22:37
GeneralAntillesI'm not into the non-native UI.22:38
jottjohnx: scrolling is probably not so funny..22:39
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GeneralAntillesThe end result seems to be bloat (xul) and poor integration.22:39
KotCzarnyisn't epaper limited to some cycle count?22:39
* jott just tried to start it.22:39
jottstill at 100% cpu22:39
johnxjott, I assume they have some kind of intelligent trick to deal with scrolling on epaper22:39
johnxGeneralAntilles, tried it yet?22:39
johnxGeneralAntilles, try it first. then you have much more authority to bash it later.22:40
jottit's slow. this i can tell for running it a few seconds :)22:41
GeneralAntillesjohnx, tried the last version.22:41
jottbut the interface seems nice.22:41
jott(of course not integrated)22:42
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johnxGeneralAntilles, well apparently they improved lots of things. Anyways, I'll give you the analysis vs midori .21 in a sec22:42
jottand it's buggy :D22:42
jottthe url bar floats like 50 pixel blow the top22:43
johnxand it's a 9.5MB download O_o22:43
johnxok, that's skeery22:43
johnxprobably debug symbols too22:44
jottyeah they should just dump xul :)22:44
GeneralAntillesWell, it wouldn't work then.22:44
jottit was a bad idea in the first place ;)22:44
GeneralAntillesThe interface is xul.22:44
johnxyeah, considering how they're moving towards desktop integration everywhere22:44
jottyeah, that's why it's so sluggish :)22:44
johnxGeneralAntilles, well, that's their stated goal, and xul won't help them with it22:45
GeneralAntillesMore like "xul still sucks at pretending it's native". :P22:45
johnxGeneralAntilles, I think we're agreeing :)22:45
jottbleh not even +/- keys work22:45
GeneralAntillesYeah, sorry.22:45
GeneralAntillesI just really hate Firefox's non-native widgets.22:45
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* jott waves fennec "goodbye"22:46
GeneralAntillesjohnx, jott tried it, can I use his experience to justify my bashing? :D22:47
johnxGeneralAntilles, you can use mine in a sec22:47
johnxunless I love it22:47
GeneralAntillesWeee neeeed neeeew seeeerveeeers22:47
johnxa recent version of opera might be nice to have around...22:48
jottjohnx: you love it for about 2 secs, as the default theme looks quite nice. when you start using it your opinion will change quite rapidly :)22:48
jottyeah a recent opera would be great.22:48
GeneralAntillesI want an updated MicroB.22:49
johnxjott, you have an n810, right?22:49
johnxyou'll like it more than me I think22:49
johnxno onscreen keyboard on the n80022:49
jotthah no keyboard?22:49
jottjust surf the startpage :D22:49
KotCzarnyor start xvkbd22:50
GeneralAntillesdougt, can you guys just use Extras-devel?22:50
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jottna, that would be too much appreciation.22:50
dougtGeneralAntilles: for fennec?22:50
jottyeah would make sense.22:50
dougtmind commenting on a bug, if I open one?22:51
GeneralAntillesdougt, sure.22:51
lardmanI get an error about not being able to find a compatible GRE22:51
GeneralAntillesI think a lot of people will want xulrunner even if they don't use Fennec, anyway.22:51
johnxgah, I really like the idea behind's such a neat idea. I guess I'll wait until things get a little more polished in a later milestone22:51
GeneralAntillesWell, Fennec isn't even actually an alpha yet is it?22:51
GeneralAntillesjohnx, there you go. ;)22:52
dougtand there is a lot of stuff between alpha and release.22:52
jottyeah well it needs to get atleast 3-4 times as fast to be usable ..22:52
jottnot sure how much potential is there with the current code base..22:52
dougtjott: there was a significant problem discovered w/ sites with flash.22:53
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dougtthe flash that ships w/ the device is pretty busted.22:53
jottyeah well i don't care for flash :)22:53
dougtjott: nor do i, but is found and used.22:53
jottbut the ui itself, like the tabs and url bar.22:53
johnxah, there goes the keyboard! w00!22:53
jottand bookmarks. all is very very sluggish at the moment.22:54
dougt^ bugzilla prefilled for you.22:54
dougtjott: yup.22:54
* GeneralAntilles registers an account.22:54
dougtit is.22:54
dougtGeneralAntilles: please cc' me.22:54
jotthow many people work on fennec?22:56
GeneralAntillesGuided is somewhat less than appropriate for this bug.22:58
dougtjott: 6 or so22:59
johnxwell, it's definitely great progress from earlier milestones22:59
dougtjott: on the shoulders of the firefox giants.23:00
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jotthm what's also quite annoying is that you always get to the left/right menus when not scrolling 100% vertical.23:02
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jottwell let's wait for 1.0 ;)23:03
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AStormcould someone refresh that pidgin with newer libgadu?23:04
AStormor at least newer pidgin23:04
AStormthis version (2.4.3) fails to download contacts :>23:04
jottwhy don't you do it AStorm ?23:04
AStormbecause I have no scratchbox ready23:05
AStormand there are probably no source debs for 2.5.1 to just upload to the builder23:05
jottpoor excuse :d23:05
KotCzarnyhi astorm23:05
AStormKotCzarny: hello23:05
AStormbuild me newer pidgin (vs diablo), please23:06
AStormor help me find one23:06
KotCzarnyno diablo on my sb/n80023:06
AStormanyway, the one for chinook works23:06
AStormso you can build against that too23:06
KotCzarnybtw. you are still without sbox?23:06
AStormI have one, but not prepared for building23:07
AStormjust unpacked etc.23:07
KotCzarnybut it's just a matter of running one script23:07
AStormstep-by-step guide to sbox would be very appreciated23:07
KotCzarnylet's try..23:07
infobot[scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at
infobotSoftware Development Kit23:08
AStorm~howto scratchbox23:08
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qwerty12_N800~open sesame23:08
infobotIMHO, you should get down with the genie.23:08
jottAStorm for installing or using it?23:08
AStorminstalling less, as I already have it23:08
jotti mean the sdk install instructions are fine.23:08
jottand the maemo 4.1 documentation is not that bad.23:08
jottor "reference manual"23:09
KotCzarnythere is a script23:09
jottactually there is not much about using scratchbox for most cases.23:09
KotCzarnyand in install you have a line to start installed sbox23:09
AStormyeah, new sdk23:09
RST38hMOSH is spamming me with surveys23:09
AStormjott: well, I need that, I haven't packed a .deb in some 10 years23:10
RST38hHow low have the fallen!23:10
KotCzarnyrst38h: crosspost them23:10
RST38hKot: And they are spamming in Russian, too.23:10
jottAStorm: but that's more about debian packaging than scratchbox.23:10
AStormthat is what scratchbox is used for23:11
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AStormmaemo is debian ;P23:11
* RST38h sighs and restarts the NXC2600 board23:11
KotCzarnyno it's not23:11
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KotCzarnyit uses dpkg and stuff23:11
KotCzarnybut it's not a debian23:11
KotCzarnydebian can't use closed stuff23:12
AStormblah blah23:12
AStormok, say, debian-based23:12
AStormor debian offshoot23:12
KotCzarnydebian spawn?23:12
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AStormanyway, it looks like debian to me23:12
johnxKotCzarny, what is debian non-free?23:12
KotCzarnyjohnx: but it's not provided by default?23:13
AStormwho cares about defaults ;P23:13
KotCzarnyonly because users need them23:13
RST38hAStorm: Debian maintainers would tear you apart for saying such things23:13
johnxKotCzarny, nope. but it's provided by the debian people23:13
AStormRST38h: I know, because they're friggin zealots23:13
johnxAStorm, and maemo isn't debian just because of the non-free stuff. It's not debian because it's not compatible in naming or packaging23:13
AStormjohnx: yes23:13
AStormbut it's definitely debian-based23:13
johnxor it was at one point. :) Now it's diverged painfully23:14
AStormanyway, I need that pidgin quick (as in, in about 4 hours)23:14
KotCzarnyyou should make it23:14
AStormyes, but.... how? :)23:14
KotCzarnyget to sbox23:14
RST38hFucking shit23:15
KotCzarnythen dpkg -x or something on pidgin-src.deb23:15
KotCzarnyor something23:15
KotCzarnythen fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage23:15
KotCzarnyor something23:15
RST38hIt is running!!!23:15
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KotCzarnyrst38h: who?23:15
johnxRST38h, why?23:16
AStormKotCzarny: is there source deb for pidgin 2.5.1?23:16
AStormAKA latest release?23:16
johnxAStorm, debian probably has one23:16
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AStorm2.5.0 is ok too I think23:17
AStormassuming it has that fixed gadugadu23:17
KotCzarnybut prepare for dependency hell23:17
AStormeh, I can fix those... maybe23:17
RST38hKot: VGBA. On the NXC2600 board. 6" screen.23:17
johnxAStorm, I would backport just what you need, if I were you23:17
AStormdependency is correct spelling23:17
RST38hjohnx: Because I ported it23:17
AStormjohnx: impossible, architectural changes23:17
johnxAStorm, ick23:18
johnxAStorm, good luck O_o23:18
AStormguess why I need 2.523:18
RST38hjohnx: More or less recompiled it, really23:18
RST38h+ added SDL glue layer23:18
AStormsomeone did hildonize 2.4.3 somewhat23:18
AStormwell, a backport of that gg fixes would be great23:18
johnxRST38h, pretty cool. BTW, I'll try out your new VGBA on the train tomorrow :)23:18
AStormbut finding the actual fix will be hard23:19
AStormI see no svn there23:19
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GeneralAntillesdougt__, ?23:20
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AStormKotCzarny: do you have a solution for using GG from the device?23:22
KotCzarnywanna binary?23:22
AStormunworkable, not responsive to touchscreen23:22
AStormwe need clicky thing there23:22
KotCzarny'we' ?23:22
AStormteh users ;P23:23
KotCzarnyfsck the users :P23:23
AStormthat was royal we23:23
KotCzarnylet them learn :P23:23
dougt__GeneralAntilles: ty23:23
AStormyeah learn23:23
AStormand abuse the keyboard23:23
KotCzarnygg is about typing messages, right?23:23
KotCzarnyand reading them23:23
AStormit's much faster to use the screen23:23
AStorminstead of abusing that small n810 keyboard23:23
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RST38hjohnx: =)23:24
AStormekg especially sucks with many contacts23:24
KotCzarnyhe he23:24
KotCzarnyscrub them23:24
AStormyeah sure23:24
KotCzarnygo quality23:24
KotCzarnyover quantity23:24
AStormI can't scrub them23:24
AStormthese are the core23:24
AStormwhich are a bit over 5023:25
KotCzarnybut are they hard core?23:25
AStormI could maybe drop 2 of them23:25
KotCzarnyi'm a console freak23:26
AStormconsole is not comfortable ein such a device23:26
KotCzarnyi use pidging only because i have yet to find nice ncurses aim client23:26
AStorm*enough in23:26
KotCzarnyfor me it is23:26
AStorm(yes, it supports AIM)23:27
KotCzarnyis it big?23:27
KotCzarnythx, i'll check it later23:27
AStormbut touchscreen is so much better than most of those "portable" input devices23:27
AStormand it's even sometimes better than the real keyboard23:27
AStormdefinitely better than mouse23:28
KotCzarnythat's only if app isn't broken23:28
KotCzarnyand tuned for mouse or kb23:28
AStormhow do you tune for mouse? :P23:28
AStormabuse right and middle click?23:28
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AStormyes, next-gen nokia device should have doublesided pen :>23:29
KotCzarnyor mind reader, perhaps?23:29
AStormmind reader is too hard just yet23:29
KotCzarnythere were some successfull attepmpts23:29
AStormbut reading front and back of the stylus differently is easier23:29
KotCzarnynot that much23:30
AStormalthough it would actually need a multitouch23:30
KotCzarnyit's not magnetic23:30
KotCzarnyso it can't distinguish23:30
KotCzarnylike it can in wacoms23:30
AStormno need for magnetic, shape is different23:30
AStormeven resistance is23:30
johnxah, it distinguishes finger from stylus so well already... </sarcasm>23:30
AStormnot too well23:31
johnxyeah, only kinda23:31
AStormit could, but isn't precise enough23:31
johnxI can get it about 70% of the time23:31
KotCzarnywell, more like headbang23:31
AStormbut then, you could use two different materials in stylus23:31
AStormwith huge resistance difference23:32
KotCzarnydon't know, i know only from my experience with current implementation23:32
KotCzarnyit can definitely get size23:32
KotCzarnyand fake multitouch23:32
johnxAStorm, so switch to a capacitive screen?23:32
AStormso it can fake eraser23:32
AStormnot necessarily23:32
AStormbut that would make it easier, yes23:33
KotCzarnyit would be nice to tune rmb-delay on press23:33
keesji fake multi-touch using buttons and it works great23:33
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KotCzarnykeesj: but can you rock?23:34
AStormusing buttons? nah23:34
KotCzarnyand roll..23:34
AStormbuttons aren't good enough23:34
lardmanwell navit is apparently working (displays maps at least), time to see if its coord system is offset like the last time23:34
lardmanmust reboot, gf wants ipod to have some songs loaded, bbl23:34
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AStormreminds me I should check if mapper finished downloading23:34
GeneralAntillesPoor lardman. . . .23:34
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AStormhuh what? he has to reboot to upload to ipod?23:39
qwerty12_N800reboot to win xp i guess23:39
AStormwhat for?23:39
KotCzarnyfor syncing23:39
qwerty12_N800itunes fan?23:40
AStormavailable for Linux too? :P23:40
jottworks fine..23:40
KotCzarnybut then windowsish one would get out of sync23:40
KotCzarnyb0rken design23:40
jotteven better as you don't have to import you collection into itunes first.23:40
AStormoh well23:40
AStormbroken design with worm-ridden apple logo23:40
KotCzarnyit would scream about missing tunes23:41
KotCzarnymedia libraries are evil23:41
jottyeah i could imagine it would even delete the song locally :)23:41
jottif you set itunes to "manage my songs"23:41
jottwell media libraries are good if not borked by some stupid design decisions ...23:42
AStormyeah, media libraries are spawns of hell23:42
AStormI like my filesystem23:43
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jottmedia libraries fail only for people who are not able to tag their stuff properly :P23:43
AStormesp. compulsory media libraries23:43
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AStormno, I have the tracks tagged properly too23:43
KotCzarnyjott, i like my tunes tagged by folders/names, thank you :P23:43
AStormbut, adding these to media lib is waste of time23:43
jottlike "madona" "MadONNA" "MaDDona from KAZZA1"23:43
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sneakret^W in xchat is not backward-word-delete. It closes the window.23:43
KotCzarnynot some redundant centralized junk23:43
AStormsneakret: well, that's the default GTK shortcut for "close tab"23:44
sneakretFile systems need to be better indexed.23:44
AStormsneakret: you mean like beagle? ;P23:44
sneakretAStorm: Yeah. It's the default in Windows.23:44
KotCzarnyin linux too23:44
KotCzarnyi guess23:44
KotCzarnyat least in firefox23:44
RST38hjott: Fortunately I have no such dilemma23:44
sneakretYeah. :(23:44
lcukhey! stop trying to catch me up23:44
KotCzarnyhi lcuk23:44
RST38hjott: No Madonna in my mp3 library, however you speel it =)23:44
sneakretunfortunately if you switch between shell and GUI, that ^W is pretty nasty23:44
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KotCzarnyi have stopped trying to catch up with a backlog23:45
infobotsneakret meant: unfortunately if you switch between console and GUI, that ^W is pretty nasty23:45
sneakretThanks, infobot.23:45
AStormjott: most broken apps are those that can't even play files w/o adding them to media lib23:45
jottRST38h: hah you just try to hide it :)23:45
AStormthis is brain damage23:45
jottwell works for me. :)23:45
sneakretanyway... I'm not familiar with beagle.23:45
AStormI want to try a few tracks out before I remove them... so then I get to delete them twice23:45
lcukthanks to booze my tooth no longer hurts \o/23:45
jotthey lcuk.23:45
jottmore booze!23:46
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KotCzarnylcuk, i told you need disinfection23:46
* lcuk will NOT be coding this evening23:46
AStormsneakret: it's the indexing engine, fairly well integrated with Gnome and KDE23:46
AStormuses inotify23:46
RST38hAlcogolics Anonymous againt the Dental Industry23:46
lcukyer, good job the dentist wasnt drunk23:46
AStormah, they use alcohol as a disinfectant?23:46
sneakretThis beagle was pretty well indexed. It showed up in a google search for beagle:
lcukthou im sure in a past job he was a tunnel engineer23:47
AStormsneakret: google for beagle search engine23:47
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GAN800lcuk, remember to floss. :23:47
KotCzarnylcuk: a dwarf?23:47
lcukthe size of hole i couldv flossed with cat5623:47
AStormGAN800: flossing is overrated23:47
AStormjust brush teeth after every meal as recommended23:47
sneakretActually, beagle search engine is the top hit on google.23:47
GAN800AStorm, not if you like your teeth.23:48
AStormsneakret: lol23:48
GAN800Brushing misses a lot23:48
sneakretI just wanted to share the picture of the beagle. :)23:48
AStormnot if done properly23:48
sneakretIt was cute!23:48
GAN800and brushing after every meal is bad for your enamel.23:48
AStormhmmm... [citation needed]23:48
KotCzarnysnoopy is a beagle too23:48
lcukastorm, its an abrasive23:48
sneakretsnoopy isn't as cute as that one though.23:48
GAN800AStorm, there's no 'proper' way that'll get between teeth.23:48
sneakret"Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space to find whatever you're looking for."23:49
GAN800AStorm, acid in food softens your teeth23:49
sneakretransack has some negative connotations to me. It implies that things are left in disarray.23:49
GAN800Takes at least 30 minutes to harden back up.23:49
AStormobviously, but then, fluoride hardens them23:49
sneakretbut it's funny23:49
AStormso you shouldn't use full power etc.23:49
KotCzarnyour civilization is going to end soon anyway23:49
KotCzarnyso what's the point23:49
AStormanyway, modern toothbrush does get between teeth if used correctly23:50
GAN800No they don't.23:50
lcukif im gonna become a savage im gonna at least have fresh minty breath23:50
AStormGAN800: again, [citation needed]23:50
GAN800Not unless you have giant gaps between your teeth.23:50
AStormyou contradict my dentist's advice23:50
sneakretIf you eat enough altoids, you can have fresh minty pee, too.23:50
GAN800AStorm, cite your own 'facts'.23:50
KotCzarnydentists are part of white mafia23:51
sneakretI dare someone to ask me to prove that one. ;)23:51
lcuknothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing23:51
KotCzarnythey are going to make you buy products23:51
GAN800AStorm, well, this is from my own dentist and a hygenist.23:51
GAN800sneakret, Altoids are bad for your teeth, sadly.23:51
AStormyes, they are sugar23:51
sneakret"nothin worse than linux folks startin a flamewar between flossing and brushing" <- that was worthy of being quoted.23:51
KotCzarnyhow about linux folks trying to sing?23:52
lcuksneakret, im sure ive made many more quotable lines :)23:52
sneakretcan't be as bad as RMS singing.23:52
KotCzarnypms singing23:52
qwerty12_N800singing with pms23:53
jottsneakret: it could be rms times "number of people singing"23:53
AStormGAN800: obviously, soft fibers are recommended23:53
jottso it can get worse :)23:53
AStormand yes, proper technique does remove most of the material from tooth gaps23:53
AStormyou could floss, but this can't replace brushing teeth23:54
GeneralAntillesThat's highly dependent on the person.23:54
GeneralAntillesAStorm, who argued that flossing replaces brushing? <_<23:54
lcukhey qwerty12_N800  :) dont see you around much23:54
jottand every free software fan should support "floss" :P23:54
AStormGeneralAntilles: I've yet to see a person who flosses after brushing teeth ;P23:55
lcuklol jott23:55
qwerty12_N800lcuk: hey :), i'm lurking more now :)23:55
AStormor before23:55
KotCzarnybut m$ says oss is bad23:55
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GeneralAntillesAStorm, must hang out with a lot of people with stinky breath, then. ;)23:55
KotCzarnyfor humankind23:55
lcukthats perfectly ok, just hope you are still doin ok23:55
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800's been failing @ teh schoolz. :P23:56
GeneralAntillesNow his parent's've got him grounded. ;)23:56
lcukhe got caught hazz0ring23:56
lcukxx even23:56
* lcuk cant type again23:56
qwerty12_N800lcuk: yeh, i'm doing good thanks :D23:56
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: so true >.<23:56
sneakretRMS singing the free software song:
qwerty12_N800lcuk: xx eh?23:56
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, remember, your education is important for your future. :P23:56
jottjoooin us noooow and shaaaare the soooooftware23:57
AStormdon't open that unless you want your head to explode23:57
AStormor are deaf23:57
johnxGeneralAntilles, horrible lies :P23:57
jottyeah rickrolling is out, rmsing is better :)23:57
jottit's more in the spirit of floss :D23:57
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: yeah, i'm trying to curb my habit of leaving things till last minute lol. rushed my coursework this morning >.<23:58
sneakretHaha. People applauded at the end of that song!23:58
GeneralAntillesBut procrastination is fun!23:58
AStormjott: floss = Free Losing Open Source Software?23:58
jottAStorm: exactly :)23:58
jottnot really :)23:58
AStormor was that Free Licenced Open Source Software or whatever?23:58
jottl = libre23:58
AStormFree Free? ;P23:58
KotCzarnylucid ?23:59
AStormWe know which licence is really free23:59
* AStorm awaits the licence flame war23:59
RST38hFreaking Lunatic23:59
sneakretHey, this is kinda cool:
AStormwhat we need is for software patents to be short23:59
AStormthat would probably be enough23:59
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