| aquatix | seems like it's from canola2 indeed | 00:00 |
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| aquatix | g'night folks | 00:01 |
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| q0s | hey guys, what do i do if my package.install file needs more than one catalogue (because of diffrent dependencies) to install properly? | 00:08 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: sorry, had a phone call | 00:14 |
| aladds | so i made the folder, copied the files | 00:15 |
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| aladds | and by makefile type of person do you mean do i know how to write one? if so then no sorry | 00:15 |
| aladds | but i can use them | 00:15 |
| aladds | and i can learn | 00:15 |
| aladds | :) | 00:15 |
| aladds | ifup wlan0 works :D | 00:16 |
| aladds | it's doing SHCPDISCOVER | 00:16 |
| aladds | DHCP | 00:16 |
| aladds | but it might want to find a base station | 00:16 |
| aladds | hmm | 00:16 |
| aladds | where do i tell it to get that from? | 00:17 |
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| aladds | nvm | 00:17 |
| aladds | it has iwconfig :) | 00:17 |
| aladds | hmm | 00:18 |
| aladds | isn't connecting though | 00:18 |
| aladds | No DHCPOFFERS received. | 00:18 |
| aladds | No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. | 00:18 |
| aladds | :( | 00:18 |
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| aladds | :(:(:( | 01:22 |
| * aladds thinks he's fried his 770 | 01:22 | |
| aladds | :( | 01:22 |
| aladds | it won't power on | 01:23 |
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| aladds | and i did just accidentally connect 9V to the usb line... | 01:23 |
| q0s | accidentally? ;) who that? | 01:23 |
| aladds | well i connected the battery to the out side of the 7805 rather than the in side... | 01:24 |
| lardman|tv | derf: you about? | 01:24 |
| q0s | ;) why? | 01:24 |
| derf | lardman|tv: Yes. | 01:24 |
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| lardman | derf: are bytes_per_packet bytes passed to celt_encode(), or how else does one work out how much of the input buffer will be read? | 01:25 |
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| derf | lardman: No, frame_size*channels 16-bit samples are passed to celt_encode(). | 01:26 |
| lardman | cool | 01:27 |
| derf | bytes_per_packet is how many bytes are produced. | 01:27 |
| lardman | ok, so the entire buffer is used, of course | 01:27 |
| derf | (Right now I believe one byte is stored in each unsigned char, regardless of whether it's 8 or 16-bit) | 01:27 |
| derf | lardman: Correct. | 01:27 |
| lardman | ok, second question, should I pass the data across as one byte per char, or does the code operate on 16bit data automatically? | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | aladds: good occasion to get n8x0 then :) | 01:28 |
| aladds | lol | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | and sell 770 for parts :) | 01:28 |
| aladds | except i ws helping Stskeeps get deblet running on the 770... | 01:28 |
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| aladds | i only paid £40 for it actually | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| aladds | so at least i'm not that much out of pocket | 01:29 |
| derf | lardman: The input should be celt_int16_t's. | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | stylus alone could be worth 5-10$ | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| aladds | but it won't turn on at all | 01:29 |
| q0s | or you can wait for the next device generation ... | 01:29 |
| derf | Hopefully in the same byte order on ARM and DSP. | 01:29 |
| lardman | derf: ok, will leave it as a "packed" buffer then | 01:30 |
| aladds | yeah it's just dead | 01:30 |
| aladds | completely black | 01:30 |
| derf | The compressed output, however, will have to be re-packed on one side or the other. | 01:30 |
| aladds | i'll post on iTT :P | 01:30 |
| lardman | the output is in terms of chars? | 01:30 |
| derf | Yes. | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | 'don't connect 9v to usb kids!' ? :) | 01:30 |
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| derf | So it'll be different sizes on ARM and DSP, which is clearly a problem. | 01:31 |
| q0s | and dont put in your tongue too :D | 01:31 |
| lardman | should be ok as the dsp will both encode then decode the data | 01:31 |
| lardman | so should be 16bit in and out | 01:31 |
| derf | lardman: True. | 01:31 |
| derf | As long as you size the buffers accordingly. | 01:31 |
| lardman | but yes, otherwise it would need to write the data to the upper and lower halves of the output buffer, not a big issue | 01:32 |
| lardman | upper and lower halves of the 16bit chars in the output buffer that should be | 01:32 |
| derf | Yeah. | 01:32 |
| derf | That code's in entenc.c and entdec.c. | 01:33 |
| lardman | ok | 01:33 |
| derf | But it's probably simpler to pack/unpack in a separate step before/afterwards. | 01:33 |
| lardman | probably not going to do more this evening, will post the code though for you to take a look see | 01:33 |
| derf | Awesome. | 01:33 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/ | 01:36 |
| lardman | not finished the code to pass across the init data or to receive that data on the DSP-side | 01:36 |
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| lardman | also need to prune some of the global vars on the DSP-side | 01:37 |
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| derf | Unfortunately I'm going to be quite busy at work the next few days, but I appreciate all your help so far. | 01:38 |
| lardman | np, will see if I can get it to compile tomorrow | 01:38 |
| derf | I still need to get a dev environment for the DSP set up. | 01:39 |
| lardman | yep | 01:40 |
| aladds | KotCzarny: I didn't do it deliberatly :P | 01:42 |
| * aladds is not completely stupid | 01:42 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | what did you needed 9v for? | 01:42 |
| aladds | 9v goes to 7805 | 01:42 |
| aladds | 7805 gives me 5v | 01:42 |
| aladds | 5v powers usb & keyboard | 01:42 |
| aladds | keyboard lets me type | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, self made usb power injector | 01:43 |
| aladds | i had it working | 01:43 |
| aladds | oui | 01:43 |
| aladds | but it was a bit heath robinson | 01:43 |
| aladds | so i made it again | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | i got me bt kb | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | i'm lazy | 01:43 |
| aladds | with a little piece of verobord | 01:43 |
| aladds | bt kb is more expensive (and don't say not as expensive as frying your 770 :P) | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | 25$ used | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:44 |
| aladds | couldn't find one for less than £40 | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | craigslist ? | 01:44 |
| aladds | not so great in uk | 01:44 |
| aladds | hardly anyone uses it | 01:44 |
| lardman | derf: right, updated the DSP code, should actually make sense now :) | 01:44 |
| aladds | and loads of people post in the uk cambridge group from cambridge MA, which *really* annoys me | 01:45 |
| aladds | :-| | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:45 |
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| * aladds might actually get an iPod touch | 01:46 | |
| aladds | i'm learning objective-c... | 01:46 |
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| KotCzarny | isn't obj-c dead? | 01:46 |
| aladds | and i could make some money | 01:46 |
| aladds | :P | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | or it's academics? | 01:46 |
| aladds | apple still use it | 01:47 |
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| aladds | it's actually quite a good language | 01:47 |
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| KotCzarny | he was fast | 01:50 |
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| derf | lardman: Is it possible to have separate encode and decode tasks, or will they have to live in a single task? (in the future, in a single task is fine for now) | 01:51 |
| lardman | no, they could quite happily live in separate tasks, would just need two handles opened on the arm-side | 01:52 |
| derf | Okay. | 01:52 |
| derf | Though maybe sharing the mode setup is worth keeping them in a single one. | 01:52 |
| derf | It's not that much data, though. | 01:52 |
| lardman | nah, I guess you'll want them separate eventually | 01:53 |
| derf | (encode+decode needs about 8k of space) | 01:53 |
| lardman | I've no idea how much is available | 01:53 |
| lardman | or whether there's a per-thread limit | 01:53 |
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| derf | I mean, on most hardware that should fit in L1 cache. | 01:54 |
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| lardman | ok, again not sure what the DSP has in that respect | 01:54 |
| derf | JM got mad at me for wanting to use a 10k table to make things faster. | 01:54 |
| lardman | :) | 01:55 |
| lardman | so what other #defines should I use? | 01:55 |
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| lardman | I saw a DSP one | 01:56 |
| lardman | WORDS_BIGENDIAN looks interesting; you say this is supposed to run on the C55 DSP? | 01:57 |
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| derf | CONFIG_TI_C55X and TI_C5X_ASM, probably. | 01:59 |
| derf | WORDS_BIGENDIAN should only matter for header data, which isn't important if you aren't writing a file. | 02:00 |
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| lardman | ok | 02:00 |
| lardman | it may matter if reading bits out of a 32bit type too | 02:01 |
| derf | That's only done in the header (I would never have written that code that way, but that part is by no means finalized) | 02:01 |
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| lardman | ok | 02:02 |
| solmumaha | evening | 02:04 |
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| lardman | bed time for me | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | nity nite | 02:07 |
| lardman | derf: will let you know how I get on with the compilation tomorrow | 02:07 |
| lardman | night all | 02:07 |
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| solmumaha | any linux users up who sometimes uses the tablet to view videos? | 02:16 |
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| KotCzarny | how sometimes? | 02:17 |
| solmumaha | even once? :) | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | me then | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | did some encoding too | 02:17 |
| solmumaha | what are you using? | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | on tablet | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | one and only | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | and canola sometimes | 02:17 |
| solmumaha | do you stream them? | 02:17 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | although mplayer supports rtsp and other network protocols | 02:18 |
| solmumaha | i wrote an app that streams videos from a nix box last year | 02:19 |
| solmumaha | requires vlc 0.9 which was just released | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | for watching or streaming? | 02:19 |
| solmumaha | i'm just wondering if i should release it | 02:19 |
| solmumaha | you can watch videos, dvds and live-tv with it | 02:20 |
| solmumaha | and transcode and transfer them to the device | 02:21 |
| solmumaha | and it supports seeking in transcoded stream too | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | can't help with strategic decisions | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:21 |
| solmumaha | :) | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | technical, yes | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | strategic, rather not :) | 02:22 |
| solmumaha | it's written in ruby so that may be a turnoff for some | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer php personally | 02:22 |
| solmumaha | and alterego never got them to extras | 02:22 |
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| solmumaha | oh dear, then i can't take your advices | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | pity all nice scripting languages require 10+ mb of disc space | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | *disk | 02:24 |
| solmumaha | and pity the ruby bindings aren't finished | 02:24 |
| Kegetys | LUA? | 02:24 |
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| solmumaha | they are stable, but missing some stuff | 02:24 |
| Kegetys | or Lua | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | kegetys: link to source ? | 02:24 |
| solmumaha | evening mr. ofp | 02:25 |
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| Kegetys | lua.org | 02:25 |
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| KotCzarny | Your program ran successfully. | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 02:26 |
| n800m | yay! | 02:26 |
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| elekt | yay! | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | interesting name for lua ide: 'brain damage' | 02:27 |
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| solmumaha | well anyways, here's a shitty quality video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4D4v9dgo84 | 02:28 |
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| KotCzarny | looks nice | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | where did you get graphics from? | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | but illegible vid | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | so it's hard to read what are you doing | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:33 |
| solmumaha | yes, came out pretty bad, last time it was more focused | 02:33 |
| solmumaha | but it's a cheap camera, no sound in video | 02:33 |
| solmumaha | i think i got the icons from kde-look.org or something | 02:34 |
| solmumaha | rest is just gtk | 02:34 |
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| Andrewfblack | Hey | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hello | 03:31 |
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| Andrewfblack | I got a non maemo question its not really a linux question but how come I can't find a driver for my sound could anywhere for windows but if I run linux it works fine | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | you are probably looking for wrong driver | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | run everest 2.20 and it should tell you link to drivers/manufacturer | 03:34 |
| Andrewfblack | I've been looking for a driver for this sound card for over a year and | 03:34 |
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| KotCzarny | or sisoft sandra | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | or anything | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | or buy yourself current el-cheapo sound card | 03:35 |
| bef0rd | check the pci id using linux, 'lspci' and then look for drivers with it | 03:35 |
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| biteme | is anyone talking in here, I am testing out a chat client on a webpage, and it seems like its not working, but it may just be dead in here? | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | try #sex | 03:44 |
| penguinbait | :) | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | if in doubt | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's banned from freenode | 03:44 |
| penguinbait | seems to be working | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | sex? | 03:44 |
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| nemo | heh. awesome | 03:46 |
| nemo | KotCzarny: I visited #sex just out of curiosity - cute redirect | 03:46 |
| nemo | wonder how many words are linked to it | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:46 |
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| KotCzarny | don't know, but shows this network isn't so fuzz friendly | 03:47 |
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| Andrewfblack | I have audio now thanks | 03:50 |
| Andrewfblack | took me a year to get it back lol | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | thanks to who? | 03:51 |
| Navi | Thanks to me. | 03:51 |
| Andrewfblack | KotCzarny | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go Navi! | 03:51 |
| Andrewfblack | I used everest | 03:51 |
| Navi | failfailfail | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, pity newer versions are shareware | 03:51 |
| Navi | Oh yeah, I meant to suggest something, but forgot to | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | but for old stuff it's nice | 03:52 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah the bad think is I knew I needed sis driver but I looked for almost a year and never got the right ont | 03:52 |
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| test810_119 | hello? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | works | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | you may have fish now | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:55 |
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| penguinbait | well if you ever want to access #maemo with an IRC client, it can be accessed from tablethacker.com click on chat | 03:57 |
| penguinbait | s/with/without | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | what backend it uses? | 03:58 |
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| KotCzarny | server side or client side? | 03:58 |
| penguinbait | livechat | 03:58 |
| penguinbait | wordpress plugin | 03:59 |
| penguinbait | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-live-chat/ | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | but it forwards through the server? | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | ie. your website | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, syndicate to planet.maemo.org? | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | or connects directly to irc? | 03:59 |
| penguinbait | I belive its direct from javascript on your pc to irc server | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 04:00 |
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| KotCzarny | that would be interesting | 04:00 |
| penguinbait | works with 810 also | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow! Java IRC clients? So novel and exciting! | 04:01 |
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| KotCzarny | ^ stupid | 04:01 |
| penguinbait | hey I am easy to please | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | java != javascript | 04:01 |
| penguinbait | did you like the wordpress theme? | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | me? | 04:02 |
| penguinbait | I edited it to add the targus mouse and 810 | 04:02 |
| penguinbait | tablethacker.com | 04:02 |
| penguinbait | oh, and the nokia keyboard on top | 04:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, did you syndicate it yet? | 04:03 |
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| penguinbait | what do you mean? | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ | 04:04 |
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| penguinbait | nice, I will | 04:06 |
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| KotCzarny | cgi:irc | 04:06 |
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| KotCzarny | so it's server based. meh | 04:07 |
| penguinbait_608 | whoops, | 04:07 |
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| KotCzarny | pity, but may be nice idea to implement irc client in js (assuming it can open tcp connections) | 04:09 |
| penguinbait_608 | so your saying its transmitting all data back to my webserver then out to the IRC server? | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | no | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | not yours | 04:09 |
| Mek | I doubt javascript would be able to open tcp connections to anything but the host the script came from, if it can do it at all | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | unless you own chathostplus.com | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | mek: that's why i pity | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | otoh, it saves us from the havoc on the internet | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:10 |
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| elekt | http://www.tinkthank.net/software/tiction/ | 04:16 |
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| Dregs_Fla | Kashubians rule | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | those are the folks from pomerania? | 04:29 |
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| Dregs_Fla | close to that area yes | 04:30 |
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| lcuk | nite chan | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 04:43 |
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| Dsnye | 'night | 05:02 |
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| Mikho | would anybody know of a program like ms visio for linux? | 05:12 |
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| Mikho | what do people usually use to draw diagrams? | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | gnuplot? | 05:15 |
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| Mikho | I mean, entity relationship diagrams and so on | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | that i do not know | 05:18 |
| derf | xfig | 05:21 |
| Mikho | dia seems to do what I want, but the objects are incredibly ugly | 05:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what the status is on the servers. | 05:23 | |
| Mikho | xfig seems to have the same problem | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | mikho: wine ? | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:26 |
| derf | Mikho: I mean, it depends on how much time you want to spend, I suppose. | 05:26 |
| derf | http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/pubs/momentpyr2.gif was done with xfig. | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | little trippy too | 05:28 |
| derf | Yeah, that was the idea. | 05:28 |
| Mikho | well, I'd like the figures to look pleasing for non-engineers as well | 05:28 |
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| Mikho | oh well, maybe I'm stuck with visio then | 05:31 |
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| wiza | Mikho: have you tried kivio? I used it couple of years ago when I needed to do some flowcharts | 05:34 |
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| KotCzarny | Google co-founder Sergey Brin even mentioned writing an app that, if you throw the G1 in the air, calculates how long it spends flying before falling back in your hand (or the floor). | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | i miss accelerometer in my n800 :/ | 05:51 |
| robink | The n800 has an accelerometer? | 05:51 |
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| KotCzarny | i wouldn't miss it if it had | 05:52 |
| summatusmentis | has anyone played with android on the n8x0? | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | sts: probably, but i bet without wifi it's not that much fun | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | but i was under the rock for a few last months | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, sure, but only a way old version. | 05:53 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: has there been any progress since? | 05:53 |
| summatusmentis | any idea? | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a dead end. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Framebuffer is too slow | 05:55 |
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| KotCzarny | http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter, a phone OS on the tablets is stupid anyway. | 05:57 |
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| KotCzarny | not true | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | as long you are within wifi/wimax | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | shower time, bbl | 05:57 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it's a 'smartphone OS' and the phone cpart could be taken out | 05:58 |
| summatusmentis | Grackle: UMO? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | still stupid. | 05:59 |
| Grackle | summatusmentis, I go to the university of maine at orono, yeah.. | 06:00 |
| summatusmentis | Grackle: I'm from there, or about 45 minutes north | 06:00 |
| Grackle | Hah, no kidding. What town? | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | Sebec, right near Dover-Foxcroft? | 06:02 |
| Grackle | Ah, I know Dover-Foxcroft. Well that's neat.. You're the about the fourth Mainer I've met on the internet :P | 06:03 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 06:36 |
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| summatusmentis | Grackle: sorry, wasn't paying attention. How do you know Dover? | 07:03 |
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| Grackle | I know where it is on the map, that's about it. | 07:06 |
| summatusmentis | haha, oh | 07:06 |
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| fiekia | oh hi | 08:28 |
| fiekia | the gnomes under my bed say hi | 08:29 |
| RST38h | feed 'em more mushrooms | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIIcovOOqAE | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 08:30 |
| fiekia | oh wrong chan lol | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | give us all your keys | 08:32 |
| RST38h | scary shit | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | poisonous too | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | unless you are talking about gnomes | 08:33 |
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| RST38h | perfect for toilet bombings | 08:35 |
| fiekia | i cracked a password off of a managed dell switch today | 08:35 |
| RST38h | fiekia: good boy, take a hamburger | 08:35 |
| fiekia | om nom nom nom | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | and clean up the mess | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | you made while cracking the dell | 08:36 |
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| fiekia | did you know dell powerconnect emulates the ios console??? | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | those.. emulators | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | go original | 08:37 |
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| fiekia | i know other switches do too but they are usually made by people who have left cisco | 08:37 |
| fiekia | like juniper or something... actually i havdent a clue about juniper | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1060130/YouTube-gunman-kills-students-set-free-police-school-rampage.html | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 08:38 |
| fiekia | so how about that shoddy gps | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | finnish guy is at it again | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | fiekia: in n810? | 08:39 |
| fiekia | yea | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | depends on visibility/e-m noise in your area | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | although i have played only one evening with it | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | it worked ok in my apartment | 08:40 |
| fiekia | i wish it wered more sensitive | 08:40 |
| fiekia | orlly???? | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | well | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | kind of | 08:40 |
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| KotCzarny | <1m from window it worked ok | 08:40 |
| fiekia | i deleted the default mapping software | 08:40 |
| fiekia | i managed to maintain signal indoors after aquiring a signal outside | 08:41 |
| fiekia | im not sure if id rather spend my money on a bluetooth kb or bt gps | 08:43 |
| RST38h | Pittsburgh Public Schools officials have enacted a policy that sets 50 percent as the minimum score a student can receive for assignments, tests and other work. | 08:43 |
| doc|home | or what? | 08:43 |
| doc|home | you scored 49%! off to gitmo! | 08:44 |
| RST38h | "District spokeswoman Ebony Pugh said, the 50 percent minimum gives children a chance to catch up and a reason to keep trying." | 08:44 |
| doc|home | bwahaha | 08:44 |
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| RST38h | With the first name "Ebony"... | 08:44 |
| doc|home | educational socialism | 08:44 |
| RST38h | educational inflation, I would say | 08:45 |
| doc|home | nah, that always existed | 08:45 |
| doc|home | in my parents' time an elementary school education was enough to get a reasonable job | 08:45 |
| doc|home | now it's getting so that a degree, or even a masters is the minimum | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | and last name pony | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | btw. do you know mr goodenough? | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | wonder if it's a family name | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | or just showing off | 08:49 |
| RST38h | Well, given that it is written all over his scientific papers... | 08:54 |
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| mavhc | well, you could move to china and get a reasonable job making ipods | 09:01 |
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| RST38h | you could not | 09:03 |
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| jsmanrique | morning | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | woop, internet | 10:05 |
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| thux | johnx: got your beta3 in chroot use and wondering how could start services in chroot debian when main system diablo starts? | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | morning | 10:18 |
| Luria_ | mornin' | 10:18 |
| RST38h | ehlo xfade | 10:18 |
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| johnx | hey Thux. good timing | 10:20 |
| Luria_ | hi | 10:21 |
| johnx | thux, I would say just create a service in diablo that chroots into your debian chroot and starts services | 10:21 |
| johnx | should be pretty straightforward | 10:21 |
| johnx | hi Luria_ | 10:21 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/24/android_mojo/ | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| RST38h | moo, jaffa | 10:32 |
| Luria_ | yo | 10:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, so what are your thoughts on android? | 10:32 |
| johnx | mornin' Jaffa | 10:32 |
| Luria_ | im thinking of getting a g1 just for the plan | 10:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: same as before - it won't unseat winmobile or symbian in its current state | 10:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: and it won't get a lot of developers, with its java-centered sdk and weird activity-based framework | 10:33 |
| RST38h | All things being as they are, Google will toy with it for a while and then close it down | 10:34 |
| Luria_ | sigh... i'm having my fill of cli fun... this is like '92 all over again | 10:34 |
| johnx | RST38h, do you think unseating WinMo and Symbian are its goals? | 10:34 |
| johnx | it looks like a high-end feature phone to me | 10:35 |
| Luria_ | no, grabbing the 80% of non feature phones is | 10:35 |
| RST38h | NO AUDIO JACK, johnx | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: did Java bite you as a child, or something? "won't get a lot of developers, with its java-centred sdk". ObjectiveC doesn't stop iPhone devs, and despite its crapness there are an *awful* lot of Java ME apps (all crap, admittedly) | 10:35 |
| RST38h | johnx: feature phones feel just fine without android *or* expensive handsets made by htc | 10:35 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I have seen about 3-4 usable ME apps | 10:36 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And even those are slow and prone to crashes | 10:36 |
| Luria_ | and android doesnt require you to develop under a specific os | 10:36 |
| * Jaffa didn't say they were good; he was debating your premise of Java == no-developers | 10:37 | |
| Luria_ | yeah, bejewled ftw | 10:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Oh, there will be a lot of developers making another socila network app or another stupid tetris game | 10:37 |
| johnx | RST38h, google isn't selling android to users. They're selling it to phone makers. | 10:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: won't fly either | 10:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, I disagree with you there | 10:38 |
| johnx | especially since I think they're hardly "selling" so much as "giving away" | 10:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: they have all got their own offerings not based on a third company apps suite | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: There will not be: video players, video manipulation, emulators, dynamic games | 10:39 |
| Luria_ | sigh... an android phone probably has more computing power than this machine... | 10:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: Read the article carefully. You will see that they are "giving away" a funny selection of features | 10:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes there will be video players. It will be handled at a lower layer. canola is written in python but it calls a graphics library in C to do the heavy lifting | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | johnx: "Handled at a lower layer" means "google has to provide codecs" | 10:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: How open is that? | 10:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, not very open. that wasn't my point. :) | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: At OSiM they demoed a video player with alpha transparency | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Implemented using their public SDK? | 10:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, it was mine | 10:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, their whole UI is written with their SDK | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: you keep changing your point: is it: there won't be any devs? there won't be any good apps except tetris games? there won't be any video players? there won't be any video players which don't use some form of library to do all the work? | 10:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: So? | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: I do not consider authors of crappy ME apps "developers" | 10:42 |
| johnx | lulz | 10:42 |
| johnx | ok, let's agree to disagree | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Has my point become coherent now? | 10:42 |
| Luria_ | developers developers developers | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | You don't consider Java developers "developers", so you're argument is logically consistent (internally, at least) | 10:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, no one will make you use an android-based phone. We promise to keep them away from you. :P | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: No, as I said before, there are some useful, good (as far as ME allows) ME apps | 10:43 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: The percentage is extremely small though | 10:43 |
| Luria_ | anyone which hdspa bands the htc dream uses/can use? | 10:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, it is not like I expect to buy one. But you asked my opinion, so here it is. | 10:43 |
| Luria_ | is it just tmobile's oddball 1700? | 10:43 |
| Luria_ | uh, anyone know | 10:44 |
| RST38h | Well it has to be tmobile's | 10:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, fair enough. | 10:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: E72/E75, on the other hand... | 10:44 |
| Luria_ | right, but htc is the only company i know that makes a quadband hsdpa phone | 10:44 |
| Luria_ | i was hoping the dream might have more than 1700mhz | 10:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, nice phones. too expensive. | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | Luria: Not a $179 one, I guess? | 10:45 |
| Luria_ | yeah, actually | 10:45 |
| Luria_ | att tile | 10:45 |
| Luria_ | tilt | 10:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: Actualy, they will probably be in $350-$450 range. Not very expensive | 10:45 |
| RST38h | Luria: then there is a good chance G1 has the same hardware :) | 10:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, is that with contract? or without? | 10:45 |
| Luria_ | without | 10:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: You are forgetting where I live | 10:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: What contract? :) | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | I've just added Penguinbait's blog to our planet. Nice to see him blog about cool stuff. | 10:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh :P | 10:46 |
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| RST38h | More concerned that the screen will be now-standard crappy 320x240. My E70 is 416x352 | 10:46 |
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| johnx | eh? | 10:47 |
| Luria_ | RST38h - on which phone? | 10:47 |
| johnx | 480x320 | 10:47 |
| johnx | just like the iphone | 10:47 |
| johnx | HVGA != QVGA | 10:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: No, it does not go like that wiht Symbian ;) | 10:48 |
| RST38h | johnx: Original Symbian/S60 display was 176x208 pixels | 10:48 |
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| johnx | RST38h, aaah...still on about the e7x? | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | johnx: They doubled it for S60e3 to save on software rehash | 10:49 |
| johnx | I thought that was aimed at the goo-phone | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | But then they saw that updating 416x352 is a bit slow and went with 320x240 | 10:49 |
| RST38h | goophone I do not care about, but if you care, it is 480x320 like iphone | 10:49 |
| johnx | right, I thought you were saying it was 320x240 | 10:50 |
| johnx | lost the thread of conversation | 10:50 |
| Luria_ | thread or threat? | 10:51 |
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| johnx | are you threatening to talk to me? | 10:52 |
| Luria_ | dunno. are you threatening to listen? | 10:52 |
| johnx | nope :P | 10:52 |
| Luria_ | there you go | 10:52 |
| thux | johnx: ok, btw should /proc be mounted in /chroot/proc ? | 10:53 |
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| johnx | thux, probably some apps will want it | 10:53 |
| thux | ok just like in pc | 10:53 |
| Luria_ | so, i'm drawing some odd looks right now; im in a nyc cafe typing on a luggable. and since i cant get xorg working, im using bitchx and elinks in full ansi glory. | 10:54 |
| johnx | thux, yup | 10:54 |
| johnx | Luria, awesome | 10:54 |
| Luria_ | someone asked me if im talking to the space shuttle. | 10:54 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 10:54 |
| jaska | haha | 10:54 |
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| Luria_ | better yet, i did this debian floppy install here over my etherlink 3 card. i knew holding onto isa cards would pay off some day. | 10:55 |
| Luria_ | nifty looking machine, but strange innards. | 10:56 |
| johnx | Luria, what is it? | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | Oh, that brings back memories ;) | 10:56 |
| johnx | I always like weird portable machines? | 10:56 |
| Luria_ | airlink communications amd k6/366mhz, 128mb, 6.5gb | 10:57 |
| Luria_ | it had a gpib isa cards, but i yanked that and put in the 3c509 | 10:57 |
| Luria_ | wanted to keep both for use with my oscope, but it wont fit in the last isa slot b/c of the cpu/ram daughter card | 10:58 |
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| Luria_ | there is a four slot backplane, one of which has a four slot isa riser | 10:59 |
| Luria_ | just arrived today off ebay | 10:59 |
| johnx | when you say "luggable" do you mean big laptop or small desktop? | 11:00 |
| Luria_ | 16lbs, no battery | 11:00 |
| johnx | well, you'll get a workout | 11:00 |
| Luria_ | detachable clicky keyboard | 11:00 |
| Luria_ | with real keys | 11:01 |
| Luria_ | also, the cpu daughtercard has a pc104 socket | 11:01 |
| Luria_ | which is interesting, but useless | 11:02 |
| johnx | that's pretty strange | 11:02 |
| Luria_ | yeah i imagine they just repurposed a pc104 board for the daughter card and had an isa bridge tacked on | 11:02 |
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| Luria_ | still thinking about how to do wifi on this. my best idea involves putting a router inside the case and drawing off the 5v rail, and wiring the ethernet cable to it | 11:04 |
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| johnx | what about isa -> pcmcia -> cf wifi ? | 11:05 |
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| johnx | or are you out of isa slots now? | 11:05 |
| Luria_ | thought of that, but im not sure a pcmcia host card will fit | 11:05 |
| Luria_ | i am, but i could pop the 3c509 | 11:06 |
| Luria_ | and switch between ethernet and wifi | 11:06 |
| Luria_ | but the idea of having a wifi router internally is kinda neat, especially if it has two wifi radios | 11:07 |
| johnx | heh | 11:07 |
| Luria_ | portable instant wifi vampire | 11:07 |
| johnx | lots of wifi routers these days are almost as powerful as your k6 :D | 11:07 |
| Luria_ | probably more so :-) | 11:08 |
| johnx | you could farm out some apps to the router and use the luggable as an x terminal | 11:08 |
| johnx | ya'know...if you get x working | 11:08 |
| Luria_ | lol | 11:08 |
| Luria_ | weird graphic card. actually, i have two cards | 11:08 |
| Luria_ | one vga on the cpu card | 11:09 |
| Luria_ | one vga driving the tft | 11:09 |
| Luria_ | the latter is odd. i think its actually dvi | 11:09 |
| johnx | probably not dvi | 11:09 |
| johnx | probably something similar though | 11:09 |
| Luria_ | possibly. | 11:10 |
| Luria_ | bios is 1999, so who knows. | 11:10 |
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| johnx | I'm surprised it was isa slots | 11:11 |
| johnx | I figured it would have at least 2 or 3 pci slots | 11:11 |
| Luria_ | me too | 11:11 |
| Luria_ | i wish :-) | 11:11 |
| Luria_ | then i could have usb | 11:11 |
| johnx | huh | 11:12 |
| johnx | the mobo I used with my k6 in 1998 (1999?) had usb ports | 11:12 |
| Luria_ | usb requires a pci transport | 11:12 |
| Luria_ | the only pci i have is on the cpu card | 11:13 |
| Luria_ | there arent any e/isa usb host cards | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: seems like 770 port will be a bit delayed since aladds burnt out his 770 :P | 11:13 |
| johnx | well it needs pci or it needs to be on the northbridge or equiv | 11:13 |
| Luria_ | right | 11:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, O_O | 11:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, too much rebooting? | 11:13 |
| johnx | did it white screen? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: no, custom usb power circuit with the wrong pin | 11:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, damn | 11:14 |
| johnx | I was worried about that but he told me he was an expert...so | 11:14 |
| Luria_ | like i said, the only pci is on the daughtercard, but that doesnt help me much. maybe if i could find *any* docs for this machine or its components... | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=226809#post226809 - the port will pick up again when my friend gets his 770 from some ebay guy :P | 11:14 |
| Luria_ | maybe some of those header pins are a usb interface :-) | 11:15 |
| Luria_ | but then it would show up in dmesg. and it doesnt. sigh. | 11:16 |
| johnx | Luria, you must have the only one of this computer in existence | 11:16 |
| johnx | googling for it just gives me one ebay auction that's already over :) | 11:17 |
| Luria_ | that would be this machine :-) | 11:17 |
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| johnx | exactly | 11:18 |
| Luria_ | neat looking, huh? | 11:18 |
| johnx | though if it's airlink it's probably rebranded from or to something else... | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | heh. Apple now claims rejections of additions to App Store is under the NDA | 11:18 |
| Luria_ | yeah | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | i swear, i love my tablet more and more these days | 11:18 |
| Luria_ | there's nothing too custom inside | 11:18 |
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| Luria_ | btw, there isnt so much as a model or serial number on this thing | 11:19 |
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| johnx | Luria, woo! got to the old ebay auction | 11:19 |
| johnx | holy crap man! no wonder people are staring at you O_o | 11:19 |
| Luria_ | haha | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | url? :P | 11:19 |
| johnx | http://cgi.ebay.com/Airlink-Computer-AMD-K6-366Mhz-128MB-6GB-HPIB-Port_W0QQitemZ180275214803QQihZ008QQcategoryZ179QQcmdZViewItem | 11:20 |
| Luria_ | the keyboard cable is a phone handset rj-11 | 11:20 |
| johnx | yup | 11:20 |
| johnx | that's the one | 11:20 |
| Luria_ | ive seen rj-11 used before | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | Luria_: you should be wearing a military suit and pretend it's the nuclear launch machine.. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:20 |
| Luria_ | but not with an actual handset cord | 11:20 |
| Luria_ | and not since the late 80s | 11:21 |
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| johnx | Luria, I know where you can get something that looks like a hazmat suit for cheap | 11:21 |
| Luria_ | actually, im using it to find my tardis | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | wow, this is first time i actually saw my tablet say "Battery full" | 11:21 |
| Luria_ | man, i need to make bitchx work in green on black | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | irssi is probably easier | 11:22 |
| Luria_ | Stskeeps, please unplug your charger to save energy. | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | Luria_: i'm going to see if i can make my tablet last 5 days in dublin without a recharge :P | 11:22 |
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| Luria_ | hey, its been so long, i nearly apt-getted ircii | 11:23 |
| Luria_ | i did grab gopher for shits and giggles | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:23 |
| Luria_ | most importantly, two serial ports | 11:23 |
| Luria_ | maybe now i can fix those managed 3com switches i bought last week | 11:24 |
| johnx | Luria_, you win. I have *never* seen something with such an anachronistic mix of components | 11:25 |
| Luria_ | yeah, the tft+phone cord does it | 11:25 |
| Luria_ | i should take pics of the inside | 11:26 |
| Luria_ | 'cause it is weird | 11:26 |
| johnx | I was thinking ISA expansion and a color LCD monitor | 11:26 |
| Luria_ | dunno, lots of people want isa | 11:26 |
| florian | good morning | 11:27 |
| johnx | the HP plug for testing or whatever probably explains a lot | 11:27 |
| Luria_ | a friend of mine who does telecom installs looked at it and thought. wow, that's handy. | 11:27 |
| johnx | mornin' florian | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: btw thanks for your kml->gpx guide | 11:27 |
| Luria_ | yeah, actually, thats how i found the auction | 11:27 |
| Luria_ | i was looking for a hpib/gpib card for my oscope | 11:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, oh, sure. :) | 11:27 |
| Luria_ | fwiw, you can buy c2duo luggables with isa slots | 11:28 |
| Luria_ | i had a cellphone photo request | 11:28 |
| Luria_ | im gonna be flikred or fb'ed | 11:29 |
| Luria_ | joy | 11:29 |
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| johnx | Luria_, enjoy your 15 minutes of fame :) | 11:30 |
| johnx | you really need to work out an internal battery for it too | 11:30 |
| thux | i wrote lines in /etc/fstab but diablo didn't mount anything when boot? | 11:33 |
| Luria_ | yeah, i ducked out of the photo | 11:33 |
| Luria_ | not the first to suggest abattery | 11:33 |
| johnx | Luria_, this needs to be photographed | 11:33 |
| Luria_ | but im not lugging around a lead acid battery | 11:33 |
| johnx | thux, diablo probably doesn't pay attention to /etc/fstab | 11:34 |
| johnx | you may need to add it to a script | 11:34 |
| Luria_ | well, i have some old upses... no, must not think that way | 11:34 |
| johnx | maybe himh or nicd | 11:34 |
| johnx | s/nicd/nicad/ | 11:35 |
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| Luria_ | ill photo it and blog it, ill let you know | 11:36 |
| Luria_ | but yeah, this might be a one off machine | 11:36 |
| johnx | I mean *you* need to be in the photo | 11:37 |
| Luria_ | oh god no | 11:37 |
| johnx | no fun if it's just a computer sitting in a coffee shop :P | 11:37 |
| Luria_ | true enough | 11:37 |
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| Luria_ | only a couple of people left in the cafe, nary a camera in sight | 11:37 |
| johnx | sadness | 11:37 |
| johnx | get one of them to take a pic with your cell phone? | 11:38 |
| Luria_ | my cellphone is a t68i | 11:38 |
| johnx | say your friends on the space shuttle demand proof that mission control is no in a coffee shop :P | 11:38 |
| Luria_ | so no | 11:38 |
| johnx | *sigh* | 11:38 |
| johnx | missed opportunities | 11:38 |
| Luria_ | well, i do have a ham license... | 11:39 |
| Luria_ | no sts, but iss is possible | 11:39 |
| Luria_ | no soundcard tho | 11:40 |
| johnx | ...yet | 11:40 |
| Luria_ | you know, when i saw isa, i kinda had bad flashbacks | 11:40 |
| Luria_ | to change jumper, reboot | 11:40 |
| johnx | just thinking about it is bringing me back | 11:40 |
| Luria_ | rinse repeat | 11:40 |
| * johnx shivers at the thought of isa-pnp | 11:40 | |
| Luria_ | except | 11:40 |
| Luria_ | this 3c509 is a champ | 11:41 |
| Luria_ | still working 10+ years later | 11:41 |
| Luria_ | and when i told debian installer to look for it, it auto configured just fine | 11:41 |
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| Luria_ | thing is, the card didnt quite fit, so i had to take off the backpanel | 11:42 |
| Luria_ | so you can kinda see into the machine and watch the green blinky light | 11:42 |
| Luria_ | remember squeezing as many things as possible on irq 3/4/5/7? | 11:43 |
| Luria_ | yeah, i tried to forget too. | 11:43 |
| johnx | remember the things that demanded a certain IRQ? | 11:44 |
| Luria_ | sigh, ctrl+alt+f1/2 is now my alt tab | 11:44 |
| johnx | you need screen | 11:44 |
| Luria_ | yeah, good point, cause ratpoison wont do anything for me right now | 11:44 |
| johnx | hmm...airlink got swallowed by sierra in 2007 | 11:45 |
| johnx | not much on wikipedia about them prior to that | 11:45 |
| Luria_ | well, i guess my email to them will be pointless | 11:45 |
| Luria_ | or rather my plan to email them | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | maybe some stuff on newsgroups? | 11:45 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, good idea | 11:46 |
| Luria_ | was thinking about that today | 11:47 |
| johnx | Luria_, so it probably wasn't originally sold with the hpib card in itI'm thinking | 11:47 |
| Luria_ | can anyone recommend a good group? | 11:47 |
| Luria_ | johnx im certain not | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | Luria_: i'd just search on google groups | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | it has the dejanews archive so | 11:47 |
| Luria_ | because the gpib card doesnt fit without removing the bracket around the port and screwing it back over the port once installed | 11:48 |
| Luria_ | Stskeeps - tried that already | 11:48 |
| Luria_ | i am impressed by how well google works in elinks | 11:49 |
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| Luria_ | even gmail works in html mode | 11:50 |
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| johnx | the saddest part is that your luggable is only 3lbs heavier than my notebook | 11:51 |
| Luria_ | thats a 1.2eeepc difference | 11:52 |
| johnx | mine doesn't have a handle though | 11:52 |
| Luria_ | squirelmail works too. | 11:52 |
| Luria_ | or a phone cord | 11:52 |
| Luria_ | or a 1.44mb floppy (maybe) | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | 366mhz.. that's about as powerful as the tablets :P | 11:53 |
| Luria_ | less so, i dont have dsps | 11:54 |
| Luria_ | :-) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | true | 11:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, change the notebook :) | 11:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, I did. I bought an N800 and use that instead | 11:54 |
| Luria_ | i could maybe throw a beagleboard in this thing | 11:55 |
| Luria_ | were it not for the tft | 11:55 |
| johnx | Luria, you could throw like 10 beagleboards in that thing | 11:55 |
| Luria_ | thats a lot of beagles | 11:55 |
| Luria_ | and $1500 :-) | 11:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: you know, there are real, full featured notebooks under 2.5lb ;) | 11:57 |
| RST38h | And I do not mean eeek pc | 11:57 |
| Luria_ | lifebooks are nice | 11:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm eyeing the lenovo x200 but I don't have the cash for it right now | 11:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Toshiba R500 starts at $1500 | 11:59 |
| johnx | RST38h, x200 starts at $1100 | 11:59 |
| RST38h | no need to buy overpriced, shoddily designed laptop made under Chinese supervision | 12:00 |
| RST38h | johnx: scratch overpriced =) | 12:00 |
| johnx | where do you think a toshiba is made? | 12:00 |
| fred | scratch shoddily designed. | 12:00 |
| aquatix | hey, the x200 is a lot nicer than anything toshiba makes :) | 12:00 |
| fred | unless they've hugely changed since the X61s | 12:01 |
| johnx | fred, they made it run cooler for longer and the x200 is widescreen with a full sized keyboard, but otherwise very similar :) | 12:01 |
| fred | the X61s has full-sized keys, but not full-size keyboard :(as for runs longer? | 12:02 |
| fred | with the extended life battery, my X61s runs under linux for 18 hours while using 3G :S | 12:02 |
| fred | don't need longer :p | 12:02 |
| fred | though that is with the non-default low voltage processor option | 12:03 |
| RST38h | fred: do not scratch shoddily design. I am writing this from a corporate T61 and it sucks | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: it looks like it has been designed in ussr | 12:03 |
| RST38h | and produce din china | 12:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, that sounds accurate. :) | 12:04 |
| fred | so you're saying because the T-series sucks, the X must as well :p | 12:04 |
| Luria_ | x series are great | 12:04 |
| Luria_ | i wish i had an x300 | 12:04 |
| aquatix | RST38h: well, things designed by the ussr at least tended to function for quite a while | 12:04 |
| Luria_ | ...so i could have xorg (j/k) | 12:04 |
| johnx | fred, the x200s isn't out yet. (or is it out by now? I don't remember) | 12:04 |
| aquatix | besides, i like the thinkpad design | 12:04 |
| aquatix | it's timeless | 12:04 |
| Luria_ | aquatix, not the same without the ibm badge, tho | 12:05 |
| fred | say I got a Toshiba P300-16T and didn't like it, would it then be fair for me to say that the R500 must be shoddily designed? | 12:05 |
| aquatix | Luria_: true | 12:05 |
| fred | admittedly, the tecra 520CDT I had lasted for over 6 years, but thinkpads tend to be similar | 12:06 |
| RST38h | aquatix: if you used them rarely enough | 12:06 |
| RST38h | fred: all ibms/lenovos are designed similarly | 12:06 |
| Luria_ | lenovo thinkpads, yes. not their badideapad line. | 12:06 |
| johnx | hey, I have a toshiba P4 laptop that weighs 9lbs. I guess that means all toshibas are heavy and have crappy hinges and tend to overheat | 12:07 |
| RST38h | fred: Toshiba actually changes design over time and with different series | 12:07 |
| fred | except with different standards for portability and ruggidity... so by shoddy design do you mean purely visual? | 12:07 |
| aquatix | johnx: exactly! | 12:07 |
| RST38h | fred: Ibm/Lenovo is still the same crappy designed as it was 10 years ago | 12:07 |
| aquatix | ;) | 12:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, you're tired of the USSR design. I'm tired of the hip Japanese manufacturers trying to be as cool as Apple. | 12:07 |
| fred | ah, so you just mean looks | 12:08 |
| Luria_ | apple is cool? | 12:08 |
| johnx | Luria_, here? yes. | 12:08 |
| Luria_ | no one asks to take cellphone pics of apples :-p | 12:08 |
| * fred sticks with his lightweight laptop with a powerful processor, lots of ram, built in 3G modem, small form factor, and stupidly good battery life, with visual design based on a bento box, which he happens to like | 12:08 | |
| RST38h | fred: By shoddy design I mean boxy, heavy, lots of weird orifices, bleak display, buttons that do not do anything useful, small arrow buttons, bad use of surface space | 12:08 |
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| RST38h | fred: Should I continue? | 12:09 |
| * Luria_ likes panasonics | 12:09 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Toshiba Portege has been around long before Apple Air | 12:09 |
| fred | boxy, heavy: T-series - weird orifices - whut?, bleak display: X series have different displays - buttons - huh? small arros buttons: mine are full size, bad use of surface space:clarify; I don't see that applying to the X series | 12:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: So, it is NOT trying to compete with Apple. Apple is trying to compete with it | 12:09 |
| aquatix | fred: what box do you have? | 12:10 |
| fred | X61s with some upgrades. | 12:10 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 12:10 |
| * aquatix loves the x61 and x61s | 12:10 | |
| RST38h | fred: Weird orifices - take T4x and look at a hole between CD drive and the casing | 12:10 |
| fred | I thought you said your complaints were consistent between series? | 12:10 |
| Luria_ | also having a wacom tablet in a laptop is just... neat. | 12:10 |
| johnx | RST38h, I didn't say the air. I said the apple "coolness." and yes, in the eyes of consumers it has to compete with Apple's image. I'm tired of the pretty designs at the cost of usability and durability | 12:10 |
| RST38h | fred: I will find holes in your X61 as well | 12:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, that's where you plug things in | 12:11 |
| fred | if you want me to comment on them, make sure you look at the X61s, not the X61 | 12:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: One look at Toshiba's website shows that you are wrong | 12:11 |
| fred | (slightly smaller, lighter, and lower power than the X61) | 12:11 |
| Luria_ | johnx, come on, sony has been making crappy vaios since apple was making black laptops | 12:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: What things would I plug into a triangular hole 3-5mm at its widest? | 12:11 |
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| Luria_ | (and not glossy black) | 12:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: Is it what IBM engineers think a penis looks like? | 12:12 |
| johnx | RST38h, let's not talk about your personal life here... | 12:12 |
| Luria_ | how did we get there from here? | 12:12 |
| johnx | anyways, nice arguing with everyone. need to go make dinner | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Luria: johnx suggested that the hole found in T41x above CD drive is for plugging something | 12:13 |
| fred | a photo would be helpful | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Luria: It is just a hole though, mistake in the design | 12:13 |
| RST38h | a moment | 12:13 |
| Luria_ | maybe its for chinese penises? think globally. | 12:14 |
| Luria_ | sheesh. talk about cultural insensitivty. | 12:14 |
| Luria_ | insensitivity, even | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Here, look: http://www.laptopcloseout.com/usa/en-us/untitled1.jpg | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Luria: has been there before lenovo afaik | 12:14 |
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| Luria_ | umm. i cant look at pictures right now. | 12:14 |
| Luria_ | my computer doesnt do that | 12:15 |
| RST38h | hehe | 12:15 |
| RST38h | at least you have got ip connection | 12:15 |
| Luria_ | (scroll back for the ebay link) | 12:15 |
| Luria_ | yeah, over my 3c509! | 12:15 |
| Luria_ | when i get home, ill check the link from my xchat log | 12:16 |
| Luria_ | elinks needs a jpg->ansi art plug in | 12:16 |
| Luria_ | though i bet someone has done that | 12:16 |
| XTL | heh | 12:16 |
| XTL | aaview | 12:17 |
| Luria_ | see, there ya go | 12:17 |
| Luria_ | i guess thats kinda rule 34 at work | 12:17 |
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| Luria_ | i guess that ended that | 12:20 |
| Luria_ | maybe i'll go gopher or something | 12:23 |
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| aquatix | Luria_: why are you using elinks btw? why not links or some other more recent browser? | 12:27 |
| Luria_ | habit i guess | 12:29 |
| Luria_ | good point tho | 12:29 |
| aquatix | links2 maybe | 12:30 |
| aquatix | i'm not sure which one is the nicest | 12:30 |
| Luria_ | yeah, actually i was just away aptgetting both links and links2 | 12:30 |
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| Luria_ | well, aptituding | 12:30 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:30 |
| aquatix | ghehehe, someone suggests firefox in aalib | 12:31 |
| Luria_ | elinks is nicer than links | 12:31 |
| Luria_ | on to links2 | 12:32 |
| Luria_ | aquatix - lol | 12:32 |
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| taplax | flash player with aalib would be nice :) | 12:34 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:34 |
| Luria_ | oh god | 12:35 |
| Luria_ | losing flash is one of the few benefits here | 12:35 |
| aquatix | for playing flv a movie player with ascii art plugin makes more sense | 12:35 |
| aquatix | Luria_: :) | 12:35 |
| aquatix | there's a flashblock plugin etc for firefox, for example ;) | 12:35 |
| Luria_ | and one for my n810, thanx gawd. | 12:35 |
| * aquatix loves to combine that extension with adblock | 12:36 | |
| aquatix | oh, i just disable flash on my n810 | 12:36 |
| aquatix | simple config option | 12:36 |
| aquatix | i need an adblocker though | 12:36 |
| Luria_ | meh, i like adblock+flashblock on my n810 | 12:36 |
| aquatix | anyone a suggestion? | 12:36 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 12:36 |
| Luria_ | well, abp | 12:36 |
| Luria_ | there ya go | 12:36 |
| Luria_ | sometimes, you do need flash... rarely, but yeah | 12:37 |
| aquatix | if i do, i enable the plugin | 12:37 |
| aquatix | two clicks | 12:37 |
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| aquatix | ah, 3 clicks, but even so | 12:38 |
| * aquatix installs abp | 12:38 | |
| aquatix | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ is the latest? | 12:39 |
| Luria_ | dunno, got mine from a repo | 12:40 |
| Luria_ | but that sounds right | 12:40 |
| aquatix | ah, it has a nice install link | 12:40 |
| aquatix | sounds like it's the one | 12:40 |
| * aquatix installs | 12:40 | |
| * Luria_ twiddles his thumbs | 12:41 | |
| Luria_ | maybe ill anon ftp to wustl for old time's sake | 12:41 |
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| aquatix | :) | 12:42 |
| Luria_ | oh wow. it's gone. | 12:42 |
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| benno2 | hi, when I download the official nokia OS image (eg using the windows flasher) is this diablo ? | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | benno2: Yes. | 12:49 |
| benno2 | if I want to develop for that platform is it ok | 12:49 |
| Luria_ | hopefully :-) | 12:49 |
| benno2 | X-Fade: thanks | 12:49 |
| Luria_ | no, diablo is free as in china | 12:49 |
| Luria_ | (j/k) | 12:49 |
| benno2 | so basically diablo is still OS2008 ? | 12:50 |
| RST38h | yes | 12:50 |
| RST38h | OS2008.1 | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Whatever this notation may mean | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | benno2: yes, it is Maemo4.1. Just a point release. | 12:50 |
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| X-Fade | Next big change will be Maemo 5, codenamed Fremantle. | 12:51 |
| benno2 | X-Fade: thanks. but can I use a chinook sdk to cook binaries (user space) and run them on diablo ? | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | benno2: For the most part yes. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | But you should just dist-upgrade your sdk. | 12:51 |
| benno2 | X-Fade: ah thanks, so just apt-get dist-upgrade will update everything to the latest version ? | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | That is the idea ;) | 12:52 |
| benno2 | X-Fade: thanks. so basically if i dist-upgrade my chinook sdk and then flash the latest nokia image on my n800 it should work fine ? | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | benno2: chinook and diablo are basically compatible. | 12:54 |
| aquatix | why would you first dist-upgrade chinook? | 12:54 |
| aquatix | just make a backup before flashing | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: sdk ;) | 12:54 |
| aquatix | oh wait, sorry | 12:54 |
| aquatix | just read it indeed | 12:54 |
| Luria_ | ok, 6am | 12:56 |
| Luria_ | time to shutdown now | 12:56 |
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| Luria_ | g'night/morning | 12:59 |
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| aquatix | eh, wince? | 13:03 |
| inz | I would guess that is just one of BitchX's random quit messages | 13:05 |
| aquatix | hope so ;) | 13:09 |
| wiza | not much updates in the repository resently | 13:11 |
| wiza | canola development seems to be dead | 13:11 |
| wiza | and modest's as well | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | wiza: Because you look in the wrong repos :) | 13:12 |
| wiza | so what repos I should have | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Canola is in extras. All updates happen there. | 13:12 |
| wiza | I only have 3 nokia ones and maemo Extras | 13:12 |
| wiza | distribution line I have "chinook diablo" | 13:13 |
| * aquatix just got a lot of libedl* updates | 13:13 | |
| wiza | w/o quotes | 13:13 |
| aquatix | now canola2 is dead :) | 13:13 |
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| X-Fade | Canola is announced to be opensourced soon. | 13:14 |
| aquatix | anyone knows when canola2 gets a new release? | 13:14 |
| aquatix | ah | 13:14 |
| aquatix | cool | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: You should have been at the summit ;) | 13:14 |
| aquatix | indeed | 13:14 |
| aquatix | too bad i didn't have the time | 13:15 |
| aquatix | next time i'll try to be there | 13:15 |
| crashanddie_ | MARDI COME HERE | 13:15 |
| crashanddie_ | NOW | 13:15 |
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| aquatix | lol | 13:16 |
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| Luria | wince, wtf? | 13:49 |
| lardman | derf: finished the init_data transfer stuff, will have a go at compilation at lunch time | 13:49 |
| Luria | bitchx is wierd | 13:49 |
| derf | lardman: Hooray. | 13:56 |
| aquatix | hey Luria :) | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did we actually get server upgrades? | 13:57 |
| lardman | derf: don't get your hopes up yet, that's the easy bit ;) | 13:57 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, but dns needs to be switched still. | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aaah | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So, no.. The slowness you see now is not the new cluster ;) | 13:58 |
| Luria | hey | 13:58 |
| Luria | just made it home, now i sleep | 13:59 |
| lardman | Google should give a warning that a page in its results has a Java applet on it | 13:59 |
| aquatix | Luria: sleep well | 14:00 |
| aquatix | lardman: hm, now there's an idea | 14:00 |
| Luria | thanks, i started torrents to make sure i enjoy waking up | 14:00 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:00 |
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| lardman | Does Till Harbaum come on irc at all? | 14:08 |
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| XTL | /who | 14:10 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles ping | 14:42 |
| GAN800 | lardman, pong | 14:43 |
| lardman | I was just reading the tail end of the First Community Issue thread | 14:43 |
| lardman | Having completely missed it in real time | 14:44 |
| GAN800 | lol | 14:44 |
| lardman | I was away, I had another conference that week too | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | WiFi connection on n810 just broke. Here goes Modest... | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Any updates on that maemo.org redesign? | 15:08 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, not really, scheduling an IRC meeting on the content cleanup sometime next week. | 15:10 |
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| GAN800 | Apparently there wasn't enough time for real progress at the summit. | 15:10 |
| GAN800 | Though Quim did ask the INdT guys to work on a design. | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | That reminds me of something I left off my -community post: in the council presentation we agreed it was the council's role to help push and find developers - and, more importnalty, freedback on things like dneary's maemo.org design email | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | If no-one else says anything, we should. | 15:12 |
| dneary | cool | 15:12 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, the general feeling is that we should focus on getting the content into shape before we worry about layout and design. | 15:12 |
| RST38h | push and find developers for what? | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | "things like dneary's maemo.org design email" | 15:13 |
| dneary | GAN800: I'm going to insist that INdT designs are one possibility, rather than the be-all and end-all | 15:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: It may be wrong | 15:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: 'cause a lot of content that is currently there has to be culled and put away rather than added to | 15:13 |
| dneary | GAN800: So I'm certainly open to unpaid community members coming in & saying "I can do better" | 15:13 |
| GAN800 | dneary, you saw Bundyo's design, right? | 15:13 |
| * RST38h is scared to think what Bundyo's design will do to MicroB | 15:14 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, that's why it's a content 'cleanup'. ;) | 15:14 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, it's not that bad, but I'm definitely not letting it through with all that superfluous js. | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | The look seems less important than coming up with the right use cases (although dneary's probably got a fairly close set, IMHO). And, until the use cases & information architecture are decided on, designs are - at best - pretty screenshots of what might happen. A true design has to be based on the use cases & information layout, not the other way round | 15:15 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Have you seen design I have done? | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: no I've only seen bundyo's at the summit at the maemo booth at osim, I think | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: The page contains layout elements for all the pages | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: No JavaScript. Very light CSS. Perfectly resizable. | 15:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, css instead of tables now? | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | johnx: No. Tables work. | 15:25 |
| RST38h | CSS only works sometimes, especially on mobile devices | 15:25 |
| Mek | but CSS can be made to scale better to smaller resolutions... | 15:27 |
| GAN800 | Tables are entirely unacceptable for layout. | 15:27 |
| MangoFusion | css works rather nicely on iphone ;) | 15:27 |
| MangoFusion | tables are great when you have data which needs to be displayed | 15:28 |
| MangoFusion | maybe a calendar | 15:28 |
| MangoFusion | etc | 15:28 |
| MangoFusion | depends what you are targeting as always :) | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Well, you want to use CSS - replace tables with CSS | 15:29 |
| RST38h | It will work nicely on iPhone but will most likely break on Opera and who knows how it is gonna work on S60 browser... | 15:30 |
| johnx | css seems to work fine on opera mobile | 15:30 |
| Italodance | hi johnx | 15:30 |
| johnx | hi Italodance | 15:31 |
| Italodance | i found wizback on my n800,what is it? | 15:31 |
| RST38h | On E70 (S60e3, WebKit-based browser) I am getting constant problems with heavy css sites | 15:31 |
| Italodance | just found it by xterm | 15:31 |
| RST38h | On N810, it seems to work unless you select fit to width | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't select fit width to view. | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's MicroB's "broken-mode" | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | And is apparently going | 15:32 |
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| johnx | the zoom to fit contents mode on the iphone looks like a much better idea | 15:33 |
| Italodance | johnx do u know what is it>? | 15:33 |
| johnx | Italodance, I really don't know | 15:34 |
| johnx | Italodance, google it | 15:34 |
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| Italodance | johnx the screen will go to a loading... | 15:34 |
| Italodance | try it by xterm | 15:34 |
| Italodance | type wizback | 15:34 |
| johnx | Italodance, I can't right now. | 15:34 |
| Italodance | there is no info on google | 15:35 |
| Italodance | :( | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-cache search wizback | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | wizback - Background window for startup wizards controlled from init scripts via dbus-send | 15:35 |
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| Italodance | tnx mate | 15:37 |
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| Jaffa | lo etrunko | 15:43 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: hey dude | 15:43 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: what do you think about start writing on the council wiki page? | 15:44 |
| etrunko | :) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Hey, leave fit-width-to-view alone please =) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | However broken, it is still useful on many sites. And it handles tables just fine | 15:44 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: I have some ideas that i'll drop in the discussion page. | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | etrunko: cool; I'm sure GAN800'll be monitoring that page already (must tick the 'watch' option) | 15:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges ;) | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't know if you can actually edit yet, though. | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't working for me earlier. | 15:46 |
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| biiter | umm.. hello | 15:49 |
| johnx | hi biiter | 15:49 |
| biiter | im searching for small fully programmable device with wifi and n8x0 seems quite satisfactory.. but i'm unnable to find info about custom flashers | 15:51 |
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| johnx | custom flashers? | 15:51 |
| biiter | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um? | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | (Jyrchi) TuxOtaku: Around here Jaffa is a drink | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | (Jyrchi) I think Jaffa usually refers to orange | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~botsnack | 15:53 |
| infobot | :), GeneralAntilles | 15:53 |
| biiter | well, i would like to run something different than maemo / os200X | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | aaaah | 15:53 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | he's alive again :) | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher | 15:53 |
| infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | infobot, feel any better? | 15:53 |
| infobot | o/~ I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL any better | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | :D | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | infobot, good bot | 15:54 |
| infobot | crashanddie: aw, gee | 15:54 |
| johnx | biiter, sure you can do that. What are you planning to run? | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | biiter, that has nothing to do with the flasher. | 15:54 |
| johnx | if you're planning to run something else it's probably best to run it from an sd card | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: it is indeed an orange reference | 15:54 |
| johnx | it's easier to debug and mess with that way | 15:54 |
| biiter | custom linux build | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: http://www.jaffasoft.co.uk/img/jaffasoft.gif | 15:55 |
| biiter | are there any docs about it? | 15:55 |
| johnx | biiter, botting from sd? | 15:55 |
| johnx | s/bo/boo/ | 15:55 |
| infobot | johnx meant: biiter, bootting from sd? | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, that's an old website ;) | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_(disambiguation) | 15:56 |
| johnx | biiter, lots of good stuff on wiki.maemo.org | 15:56 |
| biiter | i don't have the device, yet.. | 15:57 |
| johnx | biiter, and there's already a debian installer and a distro based on openembedded called mamona | 15:57 |
| johnx | if you want to hack, this is probably the device for you :) | 15:57 |
| biiter | i want to be shure that it's hackable as I hope | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | biiter, do you want mobility? | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: indeed. | 15:58 |
| glass_ | more hackable than most other devices | 15:58 |
| biiter | good good :) | 15:58 |
| johnx | earlier this month I would have said no, but Nokia just open sourced a lot of important stuff, like the wifi drivers | 15:58 |
| biiter | does wifi support monitor mode? | 15:59 |
| johnx | not well with the closed source driver | 16:00 |
| johnx | it might be lots better or at least doable with the open source one | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, etrunko, lardman|lunch, do you guys want to put together a post-Summit blog entry? | 16:01 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed | 16:03 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: absolutely... I was talking to Tim about that the other day | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | Should link to an online version of ours slides and other stuff | 16:03 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: uploading! | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | etrunko: can you put the slides we used online somewhere, or send them to me? | 16:03 |
| etrunko | :) | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | etrunko: perfick :) | 16:03 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: i can host on my googlepages space | 16:03 |
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| * Jaffa sees slideshare being used lots at the moment, by qgil etc - not sure the benefits of it tho | 16:04 | |
| biiter | hmm..hmm :/ ... and difference between n800 and n810? .. i didn't found any good reviews (non commercial) on n810.. specially about hardware design.. keyboard etc.. which one is more suitable? | 16:05 |
| Mek | more suitable for what? | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you can only get the N800 used now. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no warranty. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a disadvantage. | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 == cheaper, way more storage | 16:06 |
| johnx | biiter, if you're hacking your own linux distro up from scratch you might find a keyboard really useful | 16:06 |
| biiter | crashanddie: small powerfull mobility and small cost.. no music or webcam.. don't need that | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | bitter: N810 has fewer storage options, but built-in 2GB card; built-in GPS; built-in keyboard; transflective screen. N800 has more storage options; cheaper; larger (front-facing speakers) | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 == more expensive, less storage, but hardware keyboard, gps, and transflective display. | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | If you're going to do a lot of hacking, you'll probably use SSH/usb keyboard anyway so... | 16:07 |
| johnx | crashanddie, there are lots of times when I was stuck since I didn't have usb keyboard or ssh enabled | 16:08 |
| biiter | i don't like that keyboard mechanic part :[ .. more damagable | 16:08 |
| biiter | pfrrr... hard to decide | 16:08 |
| johnx | biiter, a couple people have had problems with it. That is a downside I guess | 16:08 |
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| johnx | biiter, from my experience putting debian on my n800, I'd really like to have a built-in keyboard | 16:09 |
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| biiter | more and more dilemmatic :) | 16:12 |
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| johnx | biiter, look at the number of good, usable onscreen keyboards that are available outside of Nokia's linux distro | 16:13 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles, Jaffa, lardman|lunch: mail sent | 16:14 |
| johnx | here's a hint: it's not a great situation | 16:14 |
| etrunko | http://eblima.googlepages.com/Maemo_Summit_Community_Council_Prese.pdf | 16:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles" | 16:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. | 16:16 | |
| etrunko | :D | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | lol, he saw the slides ;) | 16:17 |
| biiter | well.. thats really handy and usable.. and i don't need more than 8GB of storage.. and transreflective display is cool.. ok n810 is the choice, thx a lot :) | 16:17 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: we spent quite a few time thinking of the best way to say it | 16:17 |
| etrunko | :) | 16:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits patiently for baloo to upload the video so he can begin the eviscerations. | 16:17 | |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: nonono | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | etrunko gets mostly eviscerated - first 10 mins timsamoff, lardman and I were doing blind... etrunko was just blind drunk ;-) | 16:18 |
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| johnx | biiter, so will this be based on an existing distro or will this be "from scratch" | 16:18 |
| etrunko | Jaffa: :@ | 16:18 |
| biiter | johnx from scratch | 16:19 |
| johnx | biiter, quite ambitious :) | 16:19 |
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| biiter | johnx: i like to control thigs :) | 16:21 |
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| biiter | *n | 16:22 |
| johnx | biiter, fair enough. You have quite a road ahead of you. So are you going to cross compile or compile everything native on the device? | 16:22 |
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| biiter | if crosscompile will not make any faults, i don't see any advantage of compilling it on device | 16:26 |
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| johnx | with lots of applications, it can be difficult to get them to build in a cross-compiling environment | 16:27 |
| johnx | especially big apps with complicated build systems | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less toolchain induced stupidity. | 16:27 |
| johnx | you might want to look at openembedded build system or maybe scratchbox | 16:27 |
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| biiter | very nice :) thx | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/nokia-5800-xpressmedia-tube-press-pic.jpg | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | sbox2 better than scratchbox - but still a little braindead (mostly in the documentation and ease-of-use categories) | 16:32 |
| timeless | those categories can be fixed by users | 16:32 |
| johnx | Jaffa, does apt-get work under it properly? | 16:32 |
| * timeless has apt-get working on solaris... | 16:32 | |
| * johnx used to use it on a Mac...but never had success with it under sb2 | 16:33 | |
| biiter | ok, thx for help.. i'm going to nokia shop to check it out :) | 16:34 |
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| johnx | biiter, good plan. make sure you can live with the keyboard. | 16:34 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: they have an awesome song in the player on that shot btw | 16:40 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, could you make usbnet-emergency-telnetd recommended instead of required? | 16:44 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me could really do with on-device routing for tomorrow | 16:46 |
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| melmoth | lardman: works for in city bicycle road :) | 16:49 |
| lardman | yeah, might give it a go :) | 16:49 |
| lardman | does it handle one-way streets though? | 16:50 |
| melmoth | as long as openstreetmap report them, yes. | 16:50 |
| melmoth | but i realised, some of them are not reported. | 16:50 |
| melmoth | got lost during my firts test | 16:50 |
| melmoth | http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:50 |
| lardman | ah, you're Pierre? | 16:50 |
| melmoth | that's me. hello :) | 16:50 |
| lardman | cool, hard to link names to nicks :) | 16:51 |
| lardman | I'm Simon | 16:51 |
| melmoth | same here. | 16:51 |
| melmoth | did you had the opportunity to try out the navit thingy ? | 16:52 |
| melmoth | it really looks cool | 16:52 |
| lardman | I've tried it before but it didn't work (as in operate), not sure what the issue was | 16:53 |
| lardman | certainly worth doing some hacking on, but I still think a maemo-mapper backend will be similar (as in code/logic/etc) so hopefully they should complement one another | 16:53 |
| GAN800 | Seems like some sort of plugin system for Maemo Mapper would be nice | 16:55 |
| GAN800 | So you don't have to work around its raster engine and unnecessarily increase resource usage. | 16:56 |
| lardman | Rendering plugin you mean? | 16:56 |
| GAN800 | Right | 16:57 |
| lardman | It will be interesting to see how much cpu the rendering requires | 16:57 |
| derf | It's a little bit more pervasive than that. | 16:57 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Mapper could probably use the rewriting anyway. ;) | 16:57 |
| lardman | derf: how so? | 16:57 |
| derf | Tell gnuite to get on it. | 16:57 |
| lardman | lol, his presentation was about not having to re-write it! :) | 16:57 |
| derf | In the sense that it's not just rendering but tile loading, caching, coordinate systems, transforms... | 16:58 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 16:58 |
| lardman | derf: well that's under the rendering-engine in my book anyway, even if it's not exactly rendering | 16:58 |
| lardman | things like the ability to use 3D data would be cool | 16:59 |
| derf | lardman: Sure, but that's also almost the entire code base. | 16:59 |
| lardman | well there's the ui stuff too ;) | 16:59 |
| derf | That part is not actually that big. | 16:59 |
| lardman | but yes I agree, it would be a complete re-write | 16:59 |
| lcuk | heh @ mariuses mail | 16:59 |
| lcuk | o/ hi folks btw | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | shi | 17:00 |
| GAN800 | Having separate programs for different map types is a bad plan. | 17:00 |
| * lcuk runs away again | 17:00 | |
| derf | GAN800: I agree, but having one program with both types is still a lot of work. | 17:00 |
| GAN800 | Users shouldn't need to care what type of maps they're using. | 17:00 |
| derf | But hey, gnuite should have his 20% time, so he's got no excuses. | 17:00 |
| GAN800 | derf, true enough | 17:01 |
| GAN800 | We need more tasers if not. | 17:01 |
| lardman | the other problem is that these vector mapping systems are seemingly rather tightly bound to their vector formats, I don't know how easy to would be to add support for others (e.g. shuttle radar topography data) | 17:01 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed. Always good to see Nokians communicating in the open, though. | 17:03 |
| riot | hmm.. my chinook-mediaplayer broke :/ it just tells me "Can't proceed, try again later" when i try to access the library :( | 17:03 |
| melmoth | 20% time.. He is working at google ? | 17:04 |
| lardman | yes | 17:04 |
| derf | He is now, anyway. | 17:04 |
| lardman | I wonder if Nokia would tell us the Navteq file format...? :) | 17:04 |
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| derf | I'm pretty sure Navteq might have something to say about that. | 17:04 |
| lardman | Nokia own them don't they? | 17:05 |
| derf | No idea. | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | lardman: If the rendering engine there *is* Java - and the stack of .class files in .zips suggests it is - jad may do a good job of telling us the format ;-) | 17:05 |
| lardman | yeah they do | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 17:05 |
| derf | Jaffa: Assuming the classes haven't been obfuscated. | 17:05 |
| lardman | Jaffa: oh right, you mean the maps app is java? | 17:05 |
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| derf | That's pretty common practice these days. | 17:05 |
| * Jaffa has been looking for a cheap Navicore 2007 licence, though - since someone on ITT said they got one for $30 | 17:06 | |
| lardman | $30 by changing their MAC...? | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | http://pyqt.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:06 |
| riot | oh, wow.. the whole OS seems b0rked.. | 17:07 |
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| GAN800 | Wrong logo | 17:07 |
| GAN800 | Somebody go stab them in the eye. | 17:07 |
| keesj | sill , jad rulez | 17:08 |
| GAN800 | riot, Diablo time. | 17:08 |
| riot | GAN800: i'd say so :/ | 17:08 |
| riot | how do i backup my wlan settings? I don't wanna loose the dozens of passwords : | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | lardman: there's /usr/libexec/navicore-navigator which is about 2MB and handles the DRM and general app startup and, AFAICT, the main GUI. But there's also a load of stuff in some other dir containing class files. Not as much interesting stuff in terms of names as I'd hoped, though | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | lardman: changing the MAC's apparently less useful since they now check the GPS time against the licence time. | 17:09 |
| lardman | ah ok | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | If there's any licence discrepancy at start-up, the maps are corrupted and have to be redownloaded, too. | 17:09 |
| derf | This is why I don't use closed-source software. | 17:09 |
| riot | well, i can still use mplayer to play music :D | 17:10 |
| riot | mplayer, ftw. | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | derf: I wasn't aware of a method of really obfuscating a class file really well. The zips aren't encoded either, and the class files seem to be valid (but I haven't looked into it in too much detail) | 17:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, apparently Northampton lacks OSM data | 17:10 |
| lardman | good thing I wasn't planning on navigating there then | 17:11 |
| derf | Jaffa: My favorite is replacing all the symbol names with various combinations of l1l1lll11. | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Do some maping while you are there ;) | 17:11 |
| lardman | X-Fade: hmm, you been there before, no wonder there are no maps ;) | 17:11 |
| lardman | probably an osm mapping black hole, people go in and never come out | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | I can honestly say that I have not been there yet ;) | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | derf: so leave debug symbols in, but corrupt them. Nasty. I think jad has an option to create new symbols anyway - and it does symbol generation for classes without debug info | 17:12 |
| derf | Jaffa: Not debug symbols, but the actual class API. | 17:13 |
| derf | Breaks any complicated reflection, but you probably shouldn't be using that anyway. | 17:13 |
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| Jaffa | derf: heh | 17:18 |
| derf | But most websites and such just use something like http://proguard.sourceforge.net/ | 17:18 |
| GAN800 | Anybody happen to meet mutiny32 in person at the Summit? | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | NAFAIK | 17:19 |
| lardman | need a picture | 17:20 |
| GAN800 | Too bad | 17:20 |
| GAN800 | I was interested to know if he was as hilariously idiotic in person as he is online. | 17:20 |
| lardman | perhaps everyone with a maemo t-shirt with their name on the front and back in large letters :) | 17:20 |
| GAN800 | Kyle Jones | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | BTW was darius at the summit? =) | 17:24 |
| RST38h | Or is he undergoing treatment at the moment? | 17:24 |
| lophyte | hey all, anyone know of an RSS reader app for OS2008 that'll download full articles for offline reading? | 17:24 |
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| X-Fade | lophyte: I guess that really depends on your feeds. If they don't offer full content, you are out of luck? | 17:25 |
| lardman | lophyte: patch the Nokia one | 17:25 |
| lophyte | X-Fade: most RSS feeds I've seen at least have a link to the full article... that's kinda what I was getting at | 17:26 |
| RST38h | lophyte: Google Reader in iPhone mode | 17:26 |
| RST38h | Works perfectly | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | lophyte: But that would be scraping ;) | 17:26 |
| lophyte | RST38h: cool I'll give it a shot | 17:26 |
| RST38h | wait, it won't download full articles either | 17:26 |
| lophyte | ah | 17:26 |
| lophyte | it'd just be nice to have articles to read on the subway | 17:27 |
| johnx | find RSS feeds with full content | 17:27 |
| johnx | or script using wget? | 17:29 |
| lcuk | jaffa, all i have seen recently is openness and willingness to communicate with the community :) from what i gather this is different to the past | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:31 |
| lophyte | hmm | 17:31 |
| lophyte | perhaps I'll have to whip together a python script that does it | 17:31 |
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| lophyte | with minidom+urllib | 17:32 |
| konttori | X-Fade: cool. thanks for the tip! | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | jaffa - something that struck me from the demo you gave on the transcoding and from experiences with liqbase console writing - if you can find a way to limit the output of the progress it runs even faster (maybe updating every 200 or so frames or ocuple of seconds vs current fractions of a second refresh | 17:33 |
| lardman | console writing is always slow | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Huh? :) | 17:34 |
| lcuk | yer exactly | 17:34 |
| konttori | the pyqt | 17:34 |
| lardman | lcuk: but it's good to see what's going on ;) | 17:34 |
| konttori | sorry for not including the reason on the thanks | 17:34 |
| derf | gnome-terminal is actually reasonably fast now. | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, yeah. I say many helpful things in a day :P | 17:35 |
| derf | Which doesn't help maemo, but all the same. | 17:35 |
| lardman | yeah, but adding a printf into a loop will slow it down dramatically | 17:35 |
| lcuk | lardman, absolutely but the threshhold between helpful and OTT slowing down is quite large | 17:35 |
| lcuk | its even worse if you are running through an ssh type session | 17:36 |
| lcuk | thats probably where i notice it the most, but know it occurs even locally | 17:36 |
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| * lcuk is gonna be sorting out console logging soon :) | 17:37 | |
| derf | lardman: I had gnome-terminal dump 300,000 lines of output in 6 or 7 seconds. It's reasonably fast. | 17:37 |
| lcuk | the other problem i keep encountering is the buffer scrollback length ;) after doing just one or two things without adjusting the scrollback buffer on each install i lose the head | 17:38 |
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| * lcuk just realised how my wordcount is so high | 17:39 | |
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| lcuk | crap bbl | 17:39 |
| RST38h | the real question is how you manage to write this much on an n810 | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 17:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, how can you NOT realize you can compile on-device? | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed, I should pass the -quiet option to mencoder when in the GUI; although you need the output to know where to draw the progress bar ;-) | 17:41 |
| lardman | derf: true | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | well, you can't compile on a symbian phone | 17:49 |
| RST38h | so why would you be able to compile on a tablet produced by the same company? =) | 17:49 |
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| johnx | why is anyone using other window managers besides sawfish? | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | 'cause they are better? | 18:27 |
| johnx | how can anything be better than resizing your windows from an interactive lisp section | 18:28 |
| johnx | I should probably start using emacs too... | 18:28 |
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| RST38h | http://debedb.livejournal.com/173655.html | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Enjoy :) | 18:35 |
| biiter | too bad.. n810 is not available in my country :[ | 18:35 |
| RST38h | biiter: just order form us, ask someone to bring it back | 18:35 |
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| biiter | that is bad too.. i don't know someone :) | 18:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm trying to figure out what the admin was thinking... | 18:40 |
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| RST38h | johnx: two possibilities | 18:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: 1. They inserted every single directory from the site into that file to prevent people from tracking changes in their point of view | 18:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: 2. They inserted just a few sensitive directories [rest is the same] | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Either way, another confirmation that these are very sleazy bastards | 18:42 |
| johnx | well yeah. all gov't is sleazy | 18:43 |
| johnx | but this is just dumb | 18:43 |
| johnx | I expect them to hide this more cleverly | 18:43 |
| RST38h | they do not care. nothing anyone can do to them. | 18:46 |
| lardman | cu chaps | 18:49 |
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| johnx | 'later lardman | 18:49 |
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| johnx | RST38h, ok. I see why this is in there. Read the first line: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/tech/text/ | 18:53 |
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| biiter | those are honeypots | 18:56 |
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| johnx | biiter, guess that makes sense | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | johnx: ahhahahahahahahaaa :) | 19:00 |
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| johnx | RST38h, :P | 19:01 |
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| * Jaffa wonders if an HSPA tablet'll be better able to cope with the vagaries of reception on the West Coast Mainline | 20:07 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, only if you can keep normal phone reception anyway | 20:08 |
| Italodance | h | 20:08 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: more in terms of better handling TCP lag/disconnects | 20:09 |
| lcuk | and jaffa, excellent on the -h :) im still gonna try it on the tablet soon | 20:09 |
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| johnx | Jaffa, well they should have room for a huge antenna in there | 20:09 |
| lcuk | ahhhah | 20:09 |
| johnx | I think individual apps will behave differently | 20:10 |
| johnx | pidgin for example copes really poorly with momentary loss of connectivity on the desktop | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | we should be able to use our tin-foil hats as plug in antennas | 20:10 |
| troyh | anyone know where e2fsprogs went (specifically for diablo) | 20:10 |
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| Havi | johnx: quit watching me through my tablet's webcam. | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | johnx, thats the same across the board isnt it - you have some apps written to expect loss, others are like eggshells | 20:11 |
| johnx | Havi, I'm not even watching the footage. just uploading straight to youtube :P | 20:11 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah...I don't see a way for the OS to force them to behave | 20:12 |
| johnx | just make it convenient for them to behave | 20:12 |
| lcuk | well tcp doesnt generally shout at loss of connection for a while | 20:12 |
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| bakarat | i was enthousiastic about the n810 until i read it doesn't have gsm capability, which is bout the only thing missing | 20:13 |
| Havi | johnx: nooo, then everyone will see me dressed as Brittney Spears :( | 20:13 |
| johnx | lcuk, that's part of them problem pidgin has I think. the server has dropped you and pidgin doesn't realize until its extremely long timeout expires | 20:13 |
| bakarat | is there a phone/pda out there which has the same features as the n810 but also includes gsm? | 20:13 |
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| bakarat | (based on maemo i mean) | 20:13 |
| johnx | bakarat, not based on maemo | 20:14 |
| lcuk | bakarat, dont see it as a problem for now, just connect it to your own bluetooth phone | 20:14 |
| bakarat | johnx: based on linux then? :> | 20:14 |
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| bakarat | lcuk: well the whole idea is to lose my current phone... :> | 20:14 |
| lcuk | then the short answer is no, the longer one involves different devices with different OSes and capabilities | 20:15 |
| johnx | bakarat, maybe some of the MIDs have an HSPA modem, but no voice. The openmoko phone is based on linux. so is the htc g1 based on google's android | 20:15 |
| Havi | http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/al_oasis1/googleg1.jpg | 20:15 |
| Havi | is it just me, or is the screen crooked? | 20:16 |
| johnx | troyh, looks like it's in one of the standard maemo.org repos | 20:16 |
| bakarat | johnx: i was long considering buying a openmoko, but it isn't stable enough for everyday use apparantly and seems to suffer a few hardware problems (slow bus being the worst it seems) | 20:16 |
| johnx | Havi, yeah, noticed that too | 20:16 |
| bakarat | johnx: added to which i can not test nor see in action an actual openmoko so i'd be buying blindly :> | 20:16 |
| lcuk | and they added the text overlapping the scrollbar area | 20:16 |
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| troyh | johnx: where? I can't find a .deb in the pool http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 20:17 |
| johnx | lcuk, I think the scrollbar is transparent | 20:17 |
| bakarat | johnx: and the htc dream isn't out yet, nor can i find a release date/price for the EU atm (i could simply be incomprehensibly blind though :p) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | is it kinetic | 20:17 |
| lcuk | johnx, yer its thin i can tell that - its just for identification | 20:17 |
| johnx | troyh, well that's interesting | 20:17 |
| Havi | bakarat: What's the HTC Dream? | 20:17 |
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| johnx | lcuk, not kinetic. just drag to scroll | 20:18 |
| bakarat | o btw, seeing as maemo is based on debian for package management...can i simply install regular .deb packages? :> | 20:18 |
| troyh | johnx: interesting or broken? | 20:18 |
| bakarat | Havi: the android-based phone | 20:18 |
| Havi | I know the G1 is going to be launched October 22, for US$175 | 20:18 |
| johnx | Havi, htc dream = t-mobile g1 | 20:18 |
| Havi | right, right | 20:18 |
| Havi | Same thing, then | 20:18 |
| Havi | Just locked :( | 20:18 |
| johnx | $399 unlocked | 20:19 |
| johnx | but with t-mo's 3G bands | 20:19 |
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| Havi | Pricy | 20:19 |
| bakarat | we don't even have t-mobile here hehe | 20:19 |
| johnx | not bad considering the hardware | 20:19 |
| Havi | I already use T-Mobile, so meh | 20:19 |
| Luria | i thought it's tmobile hsdpa *band* | 20:19 |
| bakarat | hmm i've read some (though i admit i haven't really digged all too deep) concerning stuff bout the g1 phone | 20:19 |
| bakarat | seems they seem to really drive at using google apps | 20:20 |
| bakarat | which i do _not_ use at all (consciously so) | 20:20 |
| johnx | troyh, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.37-2sarge1_armel.deb | 20:20 |
| bakarat | i'm simply looking for a pda/phone platform which runs linux where i can simply you know...work with like an (almost) regular computer :> | 20:20 |
| Havi | pfft | 20:20 |
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| Havi | Wait a few years | 20:21 |
| Havi | then try again | 20:21 |
| Havi | You want the future | 20:21 |
| bakarat | :p | 20:21 |
| johnx | bakarat, well that's the problem. that perfectly describes the openmoko...but linux's "phone tools" just aren't there yet | 20:21 |
| bakarat | johnx: if it were only the software that wasn't ready with openmoko, i would probably buy it | 20:21 |
| bakarat | but it does seem to have a number of hardware drawbacks which can not be solved by software fixes | 20:22 |
| johnx | hardware problems too? | 20:22 |
| johnx | ick | 20:22 |
| Luria | and the open moko's specs suck | 20:22 |
| bakarat | a slow bus apparantly which well...slows down the whole show :> | 20:22 |
| Havi | the freerunner is tehbleh | 20:22 |
| troyh | johnx: ahh, thanks! I'm still trying to figure out all of the repo structure. | 20:22 |
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| Havi | The freerunner also has dev issues | 20:22 |
| bakarat | Havi: how's that? | 20:22 |
| Havi | Hey, I don't like the UI we're working on anymore | 20:22 |
| Havi | Let's just ignore the phone and power saving features for now, and work on a new UI | 20:23 |
| Havi | \o/ | 20:23 |
| Havi | SUCCESS | 20:23 |
| bakarat | :P | 20:23 |
| RST38h | one enterprising Brit decided to see just how long it would take for the cops to show up after parading around in front of the cameras in an 8-foot-tall alien outfit. Spoiler: not very long. | 20:23 |
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| bakarat | but i don't mind software-problems "too" much as they can be resolved | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Was it lcuk? =) | 20:23 |
| johnx | bakarat, the video bus? the n810 has a similar problem | 20:23 |
| bakarat | it's the hardware problems that keep me from buying it | 20:23 |
| bakarat | johnx: not sure on that one actually | 20:23 |
| bakarat | would have to look it up | 20:23 |
| bakarat | it's somewhere on the openmoko site, listed as "accepted shortcomings" :> | 20:24 |
| Mek | johnx: but the n810 doesn't use the video bus for all sd-card access too I think... | 20:24 |
| johnx | Mek, aaah...I remember now | 20:24 |
| Mek | and the fact that apparently sd-card and gps interfere with each other is also not nice :) | 20:24 |
| Luria | RST38h, did he get anally probed? | 20:24 |
| johnx | Mek, ok, that's really icky | 20:24 |
| RST38h | Luria: good question. you will have to check the youtube video for that. | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | Ideally, HE would have to anally probe a few coppers before being subdued | 20:25 |
| bakarat | btw i may have missed the answer to a question i asked a few minutes ago -> can you install regular .deb packages (straight out of debian repos) on maemo? | 20:25 |
| Havi | might be a video bus problem | 20:25 |
| Havi | oh, >_> | 20:25 |
| RST38h | bakarat: No. | 20:25 |
| RST38h | bakarat: Next question? | 20:25 |
| johnx | i like the voice mail icon being a tape...some kids will never actually see a tape casette and will get to wonder what the voice mail icon is supposed to be their whole lives... | 20:25 |
| Havi | johnx: they can't play mpeg4 @ 320x240 20fps :( | 20:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | are we getting another tablet soon? | 20:25 |
| bakarat | RST38h: how many "regular" apps (open ssh server, thunderbird, firefox...) are available for maemo? | 20:26 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, every time someone asks it gets delayed :( | 20:26 |
| bakarat | and how big is the difference with "regular" .deb's? | 20:26 |
| Havi | NO | 20:26 |
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| Havi | YOU LOSERS | 20:26 |
| Mek | bakarat: recompiling source packages for maemo is in most cases trivial; binary packages just don't work | 20:26 |
| Sargun_Screen | RST38h: bakarat could install an arm deb, couldn't he? | 20:26 |
| Havi | Now we have to wait an additional four weeks for the tablet. | 20:26 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, now it won't be until sometime in mid-next year | 20:26 |
| RST38h | bakarat: go to Maemo Extras repo and count. | 20:26 |
| bakarat | hehe :p | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Sargun: He could but most of them would probably have library dependencies that could not be satisfied | 20:27 |
| johnx | bakarat, they're standard .debs aimed at a different distro | 20:27 |
| Sargun_Screen | johnx: good, I work for apple... I'll have all my coworkers ask too! (just kidding) | 20:27 |
| bakarat | johnx: Mek well that's good :p | 20:27 |
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| bakarat | now just need a good hardware platform for it :| | 20:27 |
| lcuk | RST38h, lcuk is me | 20:27 |
| RST38h | command line and console stuff works pretty well after recompilation | 20:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You have not been naughty, playing 8-feet alien in front of CCTV tonight? =) | 20:27 |
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| johnx | bakarat, nah. I gave up on maemo to a certain extent. I'm running debian on my n800 | 20:28 |
| lcuk | well, now you mention it | 20:28 |
| bakarat | johnx: how's that working out? :> | 20:28 |
| Havi | johnx: how's the power saving? | 20:28 |
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| johnx | bakarat, pretty well. could be worse. lack of hardware keyboard is my biggest problem | 20:28 |
| bakarat | johnx: ah, the keyboard is new in n810? | 20:28 |
| lcuk | johnx, bluetooth? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: if so, have you had a chance to anally probe any of the cops before they got you down? =) | 20:28 |
| johnx | Havi, thanks to Stskeeps being rather clever it's better, but not great | 20:28 |
| bakarat | (haven't looked at the nxxx series too much before like 5 minutes ago hehe) | 20:28 |
| johnx | bakarat, yup | 20:29 |
| bakarat | ic :> | 20:29 |
| Havi | johnx: :( | 20:29 |
| johnx | lcuk, worked since January | 20:29 |
| lcuk | excellent then | 20:29 |
| bakarat | damn, if only the 810 had gsm :'( | 20:29 |
| bakarat | ah well :| | 20:29 |
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| johnx | Havi, suspend to RAM works though | 20:29 |
| RST38h | why do you need gsm? | 20:29 |
| bakarat | RST38h: well...to call would be the obvious answer :| | 20:29 |
| RST38h | are you going to stick that thing to your ear? | 20:29 |
| Sargun_Screen | no, cdma/ev-do is way better | 20:29 |
| RST38h | won't it look ridiculous? | 20:30 |
| bakarat | RST38h: it has bluetooth... | 20:30 |
| lcuk | they have announced HSDPA for the next gen models havent they ? | 20:30 |
| RST38h | so does your phone | 20:30 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, if you don't travel outside the US... | 20:30 |
| bakarat | RST38h: and i imagine/hope a connector for wired headphones/mic as well? :> | 20:30 |
| Havi | RST38h: nothing is too ridiculous for me | 20:30 |
| Havi | RST38h: I was one of the lucky sidetalkers | 20:30 |
| bakarat | RST38h: ye but i'm looking to rid my phone in favor of a pda/phone thingy instead of just buying a second device ;) | 20:30 |
| Havi | N-GAGE FTW | 20:30 |
| RST38h | so just get yourself a really tiny phone (Samsung U100 or even Nokia E51) and use it | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Havi: NGage? | 20:30 |
| Sargun_Screen | jonner: i primarily stay in the US | 20:31 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, lots of people here don't even have cdma networks in their countries | 20:31 |
| bakarat | we don't! | 20:31 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, including the person you told "cdma is better" :P | 20:31 |
| bakarat | praise science! :| | 20:31 |
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| Havi | RST38h: http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/ngage.jpg | 20:31 |
| Havi | sidetalking at it's finest | 20:31 |
| Sargun_Screen | johnx: well, screw them! | 20:31 |
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| bakarat | gsm ftw! :| | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Havi: Yea, I heard of this... And the funny thing is, for all this humiliation you got the hardware identical to normal nokia phones | 20:32 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm a fan of gsm/hspa as well | 20:32 |
| bakarat | btw, we are about the only country in the world (the only one i believe, but i could be wrong) where it is actually legally forbidden to combine contracts with phones etc :> | 20:32 |
| Havi | RST38h: of course | 20:32 |
| Havi | except the N-Gage totally had a well made dpad | 20:32 |
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| bakarat | took aaaaaages to get the iphone here and even now it's not really big here (i call that a win btw) | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | bakarat: Here it is not forbidden but stupid. | 20:33 |
| RST38h | so nobody does it | 20:33 |
| bakarat | :> | 20:33 |
| Havi | The d-pad on the N-Gage is among the best, IMO | 20:33 |
| Havi | But that's just my preference | 20:33 |
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| bakarat | i rather have an affirmative "it is illegal" then a "i rather you didn't" attitude ;) | 20:33 |
| RST38h | The d-pad - yes... | 20:33 |
| glass_ | Havi: yeah.. i like it too | 20:34 |
| RST38h | bakarat: in fact, you can avoid doing it in the US as well | 20:34 |
| RST38h | bakarat: but most people agree for this toilet plunger to save money on their phone | 20:34 |
| Havi | See? The N-Gage sucked, but at least we can say, it had a good d-pad | 20:34 |
| bakarat | RST38h: wot good is saving a few bucks on a phone if you are tied with a 2 year contract? | 20:34 |
| bakarat | which actually costs more then the damn phone ;) | 20:35 |
| glass_ | Havi: it was good value for money s60 phone for a while.. more ram than 3650 too | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Havi: it was an otherwise pretty average S60 phone. Didn't suck so much, except for the side-talking fiasco | 20:35 |
| Havi | bakarat: if you were already going to go with the carrier for two years | 20:35 |
| bakarat | Havi: true | 20:35 |
| Havi | then you save money :P | 20:35 |
| bakarat | :> | 20:35 |
| RST38h | bakarat: you are not saving much but a lot of people do not get it | 20:35 |
| Havi | glass_: too bad the library bombed | 20:35 |
| bakarat | well i don't really go for phone contracts atm :> | 20:35 |
| Havi | I hate phone contracts | 20:36 |
| bakarat | i charge up my phone with a minimal amount for emergency use | 20:36 |
| nemo | Say. This is not really channel relevant, but I have a Nokia brick that's been pissing me off. | 20:36 |
| Havi | I do pay as you go shit | 20:36 |
| bakarat | and do everything else either with someone elses phone or (preferably) over sip | 20:36 |
| nemo | It replaced my old nokia brick with a newer model, and has a bunch of AT&T trash on it. It seems to have less memory available for my apps than the old brick, so I'm blaming these extra apps I don't use | 20:36 |
| RST38h | nemo: What model of a brick? | 20:36 |
| nemo | Anyone know of programs to manipulate Nokia phones? | 20:36 |
| nemo | RST38h: lemme look it up | 20:36 |
| RST38h | oh, you affectionately call the power supply this name... | 20:37 |
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| glass_ | nemo: you can uninstall the pre-installed .jars.. iirc | 20:37 |
| bakarat | off for a bit now (i need food! :|) | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | nemo: You can hard-reset it | 20:37 |
| nemo | glass_: well. most of those I removed | 20:37 |
| RST38h | nemo: there is a key combination | 20:37 |
| nemo | glass_: but there's some other stuff on there. AT&T "mall" "e-mail" | 20:37 |
| nemo | most of main menu | 20:37 |
| nemo | wondering if there is like a dæmon sitting in background waiting for port SMS for notifications that will never arrive | 20:38 |
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| glass_ | nemo: oh then. fw stuff.. dunno, i think reflashing those needs some special cable | 20:38 |
| nemo | 'cause, yeah, seems I have literally half the old memory | 20:38 |
| RST38h | nemo: What model, again? | 20:39 |
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| nemo | RST38h: was staring at the pictures | 20:39 |
| nemo | looks like the Nokia 2610 | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Forget it then | 20:40 |
| Havi | Old phone | 20:40 |
| RST38h | 2610 isn't upgradable at home | 20:40 |
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| nemo | RST38h: yeah. well. I only use this phone for phone calls | 20:41 |
| nemo | battery lasts essentially forever | 20:41 |
| nemo | was annoyed though that a midp app I was testing couldn't load without oom error | 20:41 |
| nemo | and worked on older model of brick I had | 20:41 |
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| Sargun_Screen | nemo: that's a bit of an exaggeration | 20:41 |
| johnx | Havi, see the new comic reader? | 20:41 |
| nemo | hm. | 20:41 |
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| Havi | johnx: yeah, I posted there too | 20:41 |
| nemo | RST38h: you know... they might have screwed me | 20:41 |
| nemo | RST38h: I looked up the "old" phone I had | 20:42 |
| Sargun_Screen | the nokia batteries are amazing though (compared to else) | 20:42 |
| Havi | johnx: I still prefer evince | 20:42 |
| nemo | was Nokia 6030 - that could explain a lot | 20:42 |
| RST38h | ok | 20:42 |
| johnx | Havi, ah, nm. I just opened the thread | 20:42 |
| Havi | Evince is snappier :/ | 20:42 |
| RST38h | too bad | 20:42 |
| nemo | Sargun_Screen: heh. Well, I mean I charge it like once a week. | 20:42 |
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| nemo | Sargun_Screen: I don't make that many calls, but still | 20:42 |
| nemo | phone isn't doing much, so needs less power compared to a fancier portable computer-like phone | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, how well does windowmaker run? | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | real well | 20:45 |
| lcuk | excellent | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | very fast | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | i was considering messing a while back and that was one of the options | 20:45 |
| lcuk | glad its on the device | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | I wanted to make something small, no boot from SD needed | 20:46 |
| lcuk | whats it like for getting software into it - do standard (recompiled) apps work | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | or do they themselves need porting to windowmaker (much the same way as a port to hildon | 20:46 |
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| penguinbait | Its maemo under the covers, just instal via appmanager or compile and install | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i mean apps running inside it | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | windowmaker is standard, not porting necessary | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | Its like running them in normal windowmaker on PC, but its still 800x480 | 20:47 |
| lcuk | so what, an x11 app will work out of the box | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | yup | 20:47 |
| * lcuk will have to try it | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | excellent, thanks for porting it - did you have any oddities? | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | Just one, when you close the last window on the screen, the keyboard shortcuts stop working | 20:48 |
| lcuk | heh, i just got to that on your blog :D | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | If you switch desktops they start working again | 20:49 |
| Luria | johnx : http://cgi.ebay.com/Dolch-PAC-BMU-Vintage-Computer_W0QQitemZ120308651425QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120308651425&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | I have not really had time to figure out why yet? | 20:49 |
| Luria | that looks familiar | 20:49 |
| lcuk | ooooer penguin - they are probably working still, just effecting someone elses nokia halfway round the world :D | 20:50 |
| johnx | Luria, a little different. same idea though | 20:50 |
| Luria | http://cgi.ebay.com/DOLCH-PAC62-PAC-62-NETWORK-ANALYZER-100MHz-32MB_W0QQitemZ280260334270QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280260334270&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | could be, I will need to press them more often | 20:50 |
| Luria | a bit closer | 20:50 |
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| Luria | same casing | 20:51 |
| lcuk | lol, you will stop my movie playin | 20:51 |
| Luria | so, dolch made the machine for airlink | 20:51 |
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| penguinbait | its a dead tie, so far I have had 20 downloads of pico and fdisk today :) | 20:51 |
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| johnx | Luria, cool find. is it an atx case inside? | 20:52 |
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| Luria | mine? mine is a backplane with a 4 slot isa riser, cpu/ram card in an isa slot | 20:53 |
| RST38h | penguinbait, please, commit your stuff to extras | 20:53 |
| penguinbait | the repo? | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | yep | 20:54 |
| __275 | holla | 20:54 |
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| __275 | penguinbait this is rather cute | 20:55 |
| penguinbait | I will consider it | 20:55 |
| penguinbait | 275 on my chat page? | 20:55 |
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| __275 | yes, and theres a bit of lag, whats it wrote in? | 20:56 |
| penguinbait | its just a wordpress plugin, in php and cgi:irc | 20:57 |
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| penguinbait | I did not notice a big lag though | 20:58 |
| lcuk | very nice though, interesting to think about | 20:58 |
| lcuk | i think the chan was just goin slow | 20:58 |
| lcuk | ahh, the lag is not when recving, its sending | 20:58 |
| __275 | cos i type here and it takes a while to show up | 20:58 |
| penguinbait | I was using it next to irc client running yesterday and it seemed fine | 20:58 |
| __275 | humm, its caught up now :D lol | 20:58 |
| penguinbait | 275 you need to hit enter twice | 20:58 |
| penguinbait | not sure why ? | 20:59 |
| __275 | hit it twice just once before it catches up and works normally after that? | 20:59 |
| __275 | you will probably find this is where your windowmaker keystrokes are goin to :D | 20:59 |
| penguinbait | hehe, | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | heh, it would be a bit scary if one of these was on the front of the nokia homepage by default.. | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | "hELLO CAN YOU HERE ME????" | 21:01 |
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| penguinbait | I WANT TO INSTALL GNOME?? HOW DO I DO THAT?? | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just pull out the banhammer and never stop. | 21:01 |
| lcuk | :D heh, i cant find norton | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | HOW DO I OPEN WORD DOCUMENTS ?? | 21:01 |
| lcuk | Wheres my start button | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | Its the K in the lower right corner :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | or the X in the top right ;) | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, do you have nightmares about stuff like that happenin? | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | heh | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes | 21:03 |
| lcuk | or is it like a victory parade where you are weilding your gavel | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | I was added to syndication, thanks GA | 21:04 |
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| X-Fade | penguinbait: Yep, added you this morning. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, anyway, very impressive | 21:04 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Can you try out if you can plan an event? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | and your blog layout is one of the best ive ever seen | 21:05 |
| penguinbait | I love ITT, but it is becomming a cluster bleep, so I needed somwhere to bring my crap all together | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, are we back in rw now? | 21:05 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: For maemo.org we seem to be. | 21:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, where do I go to plan one? | 21:06 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://maemo.org/news/events/ | 21:06 |
| X-Fade | And see if your menu shows 'create event' ;) | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Folder -> Create event | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | Well, another problem solved ;) | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually _do_ have an event to create. | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can I go ahead and do so? | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | I guess you can plan your IRC meeting there. | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | back later guys | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can edit an event's time after the fact, though, right? | 21:08 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, sure. That would be pretty lame ;) | 21:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, there's no preview button. :P | 21:08 |
| X-Fade | No, there is edit for that ;) | 21:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we decide on a date for the sprint 5 review yet? | 21:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, not that I know. | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and what about continuation to sprint 6, 7, 8, etc? | 21:15 |
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| X-Fade | Well..... ;) | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | etrunko, lardman|gone, Jaffa, I'm creating a blog entry to advertise the content cleanup and redesign a bit. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess Midgard wont let me put in an irc:// link? | 21:22 |
| etrunko | the irc:// link requires a specific firefox extension | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works just fine here in OmniWeb and Safari. . . . | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think it is tinymce which borks. | 21:23 |
| yacoob | etrunko, extension? Or just setting a helper app for this protocol? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need Chatzilla to use it. ;) | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You might want to try to edit the pure html? | 21:24 |
| etrunko | yacoob: or that | 21:24 |
| etrunko | :) | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can I do that? | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | Yes, there is a html button in the editor. | 21:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't see it. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not particularly important. | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It should be in the top row of the wysiwyg text editor. | 21:29 |
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| crashanddie | There no two ways about it | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | I love VMWare | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about three ways? | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | You're the third way | 21:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://maemo.org/community/council/view/1222281699.html | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, can I talk you into documenting your cloning deb here yet? | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 21:44 |
| infobot | from memory, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:44 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: looks cool | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: add a link to timeanddate.com for 19:00 UTC? | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free. :P | 21:53 |
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| X-Fade | I will try to join the meeting, but I might have family things planned. So we'll see ;) | 21:54 |
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| penguinbait | Sorry I stepped away, I will try to get to it GA (I hate wiki's) | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's to hate? | 21:55 |
| penguinbait | looks much better than last time I looked | 21:55 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: true - may have to wait for the boy to be in bed | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, if you wait for GeneralAntilles to be in bed who will wave the banhammer :D | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | s0nted, hello - THANK YOU for the amazing time we had in c-base | 21:59 |
| s0nted | thanks for making it such a successful event :) | 22:00 |
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| s0nted | the standing ovations felt wonderful | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, local time will be about 3:00 PM. :P | 22:00 |
| lcuk | s0nted, if you dont mind, who are you - i obviously dont have a clue | 22:00 |
| lcuk | lol gen | 22:00 |
| s0nted | I am the housetier | 22:01 |
| s0nted | the one and only ^_^ (at least on the space station) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | lol, that means nothing to me lol - are you vin diesel or one of the others? :D | 22:01 |
| s0nted | I am the baldy with the small head, running around in a black hoody and making an angry face all the time | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | heh you were smiling at weekend :) | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | i have already made arrangements with a few friends to return on my next trip to berlin | 22:03 |
| s0nted | heh great | 22:03 |
| lcuk | did anyone lose any nokia devices? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | if so, they were all mine | 22:03 |
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| s0nted | we couldnt even find a t-shirt or jacket (the usual leftovers), also no rucksacks or electronic devices | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you meant to phrase that "I lost 3 N810s and an N800." :P | 22:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles checks if he can write to the wiki yet. | 22:05 | |
| lcuk | i know at least one guy left his suitcase there, though that was intentional i think | 22:05 |
| lcuk | we drunk a lot and had a great time, i hope we didnt break anything in the partying afterwards | 22:06 |
| s0nted | the DJ from friday left his stuff | 22:06 |
| s0nted | I have heard no complaints whatsoever | 22:06 |
| lcuk | dj hienergy :) | 22:06 |
| s0nted | yeah | 22:06 |
| s0nted | he is a little "weird" but very nice | 22:07 |
| lcuk | i got his myspace details and am gonna grab some of his tracks, had a really good mood to it | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "SSU update repository procedure" or "Tableteer update repository procedure"? | 22:07 |
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| s0nted | oh yeah that elevator music hahaha | 22:07 |
| lcuk | without wierdness there is no normality | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hellooo, qooole | 22:07 |
| qole | hey | 22:07 |
| lcuk | hi qole \o | 22:07 |
| * lcuk teases you with a liqbase build | 22:08 | |
| qole | hey manchester man! | 22:08 |
| lcuk | eh! | 22:08 |
| lcuk | :D you dont come in here often | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | or do you lurk in a different nick :P | 22:08 |
| qole | I keep forgetting irc... | 22:09 |
| lcuk | yer, it keeps forgettin you as well | 22:09 |
| qole | rm_you helped me get on, now I gotta remember to log in | 22:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You should be able to set up your client to do it automatically. | 22:10 |
| lcuk | i had jott setup x-chat on my diablo build, i tried before the summit but it was bein screwy with me | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | where should i put a new button in liqbase | 22:11 |
| qole | I remembered IRC because I have a tech question... | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | qole !! | 22:12 |
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| qole | wow, all the big names are here... | 22:12 |
| lcuk | actually, penguinbait you havent been in a lot until very recently again, and KotCzarny is back - its like a love in | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, IRC is where all the Kool Kats reside. ;) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | lol gen | 22:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles has no love for KotCzarny. | 22:13 | |
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| lcuk | im sure he shares the no-love with you as well :D | 22:13 |
| qole | q: 810 users, what does this display? | 22:13 |
| qole | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hardware | cut -d " " -f 3 | 22:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So hostile... | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, clearly not. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | RX-44 | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, he nearly drove me out of this channel before he left last time. | 22:14 |
| qole | thanks!! | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But now you got ... ops ;) | 22:14 |
| lcuk | you're welcome!! | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | That reminds me, did you bless etrunko, lardman, Jaffa, and timsamoff? | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | what ya plannin qole? | 22:15 |
| qole | Next; how to generate pgp & ssh keys for extras upload... | 22:15 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, it's your fault | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | gen, when you get pissed off do you throw your chair around? | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, it's _always_ my fault, no need to state the obvious. :P | 22:15 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I guess I gave jaffa those rights together with you. | 22:15 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, you suck | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nah, I just let it simmer until I have to blow off steam at Nokia. ;) | 22:16 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But I will do that tomorrow. I guess we can trust these guys, no? :) | 22:16 |
| Navi | When I get pissed off, everything in my room is broken | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, that, or I activate their taser implants. | 22:16 |
| Navi | I try not to leave expensive stuff in here. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, you're telekinetic? :D | 22:16 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, ha | 22:16 |
| Navi | If I were telekinetic, I would have made KotCzarny's head explode already | 22:17 |
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| Navi | I was going to type brain instead of head, 'cuz I almost forgot | 22:17 |
| X-Fade | Ok, later. I'm off. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | :( i dont like to see unhappy punters especially when i dont know why | 22:17 |
| lcuk | cya X-Fade have fun | 22:17 |
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| Navi | lcuk, I do love drinking and gambling at pubs | 22:18 |
| penguinbait | at pubs or anywhere | 22:19 |
| Navi | lcuk, if I'm an unhappy punter, it's because I forgot that I can't hold my liquor | 22:19 |
| lcuk | i normally skip the drinking and blackjack | 22:19 |
| qole | I needed the results of that command so I can make my post-install put the right keymap on your device | 22:19 |
| lcuk | lol penguinbait | 22:19 |
| lcuk | cool, happy to oblige then | 22:20 |
| lcuk | right, getting head back into it, ive got 3 goals this evening | 22:20 |
| penguinbait | I prefer gamibling with friends, then you know who to jump at the end of the evening :) | 22:20 |
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| penguinbait | give me my danm money back!! | 22:21 |
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| penguinbait | sorry about all the penguinbaits joinging, I was testing some diff irc skins | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | its a good job you know where to stop, i once nearly lost my wife in a poker game | 22:22 |
| derf | Don't worry. Next time you'll know not to stop there. | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 22:23 |
| penguinbait | I seen someone bet their boots, and walked home barefoot :) | 22:23 |
| qole | oooh I should post my absinthe video here... | 22:23 |
| lcuk | :D yeah | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | and then post online links to download actual absinthe | 22:23 |
| qole | I taped the magic transformation that occurs when you add water to absinth | 22:23 |
| qole | absinthe | 22:23 |
| lcuk | the internet is a series of alcohol filled tubes :D | 22:23 |
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| qole | free as in beer? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | it was on friday night :) | 22:24 |
| qole | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xbmyRfP0o | 22:26 |
| lcuk | your upload is quick - last video i put up took forever | 22:27 |
| qole | This is the absinthe I bought before going to the Openismus party | 22:27 |
| qole | I uploaded last night... it took forever, yes. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | its not very green, and you really need the sugar :P:P | 22:27 |
| qole | it is very green. My camera doesn't capture that. It is a yellow-green | 22:28 |
| lcuk | is that mrs qole i hear ? | 22:28 |
| qole | hee hee | 22:28 |
| qole | yea | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i went to a kylie concert - the lighting was some electric blue amazing shade - on the camera it looked awful | 22:28 |
| qole | my narration sucks | 22:28 |
| lcuk | better accent than me ;) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | how drunk would that get you | 22:29 |
| qole | straight up, the absinthe I bought has 72% alc. | 22:30 |
| qole | so it all depends how much water you add :D | 22:30 |
| lcuk | i know that, but in real terms how many glasses do you drink before giving up for the night (or should i say waking up in the mornin) | 22:30 |
| qole | I'm not the guy to ask, I can't drink very much before feeling like crap the next day | 22:31 |
| lcuk | the n800 self recording video you made - is it youtube thats out of sync, or the recording you made | 22:31 |
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| qole | the recording... there's something wrong with the camera on the N800, drops frames while recording, makes a hash of av sync | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | what res did you record at | 22:32 |
| lcuk | and i know that - i dont think its the cam, theres a process running about 3 times a second which drags entire system with it | 22:32 |
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| KotCzarny | kill it | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:33 |
| qole | known bug in the kernel, but the patch doesn't help much except to kill the error messages | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i notice it when looking at certain screens - it does 25fps most of the time, then drops | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | kill kill kill | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | renicing also works | 22:33 |
| lcuk | good mornin to you kot :) lol | 22:33 |
| lcuk | nicing what? my app | 22:33 |
| * KotCzarny has mmc and xomap renice3d | 22:34 | |
| KotCzarny | reniced | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | 'fternoon | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | and i think i have reniced something else too | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | but don't remember what | 22:34 |
| lcuk | lol probably something random and not vital until it overlaps you tryin to do somethin ;0 | 22:35 |
| lcuk | anyway, i said a few minutes ago im goin | 22:35 |
| * lcuk is on a mission | 22:35 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ok, breakfast time | 22:36 |
| qole | the problem manifests as a VIDIOC_DQBUF error in VLC | 22:36 |
| lcuk | oooer | 22:36 |
| lcuk | arghhh tell me later evil irc | 22:36 |
| * lcuk shuts it off to stop lookin | 22:36 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | addict | 22:37 |
| lcuk | feck off | 22:37 |
| lcuk | i can quit anytime i want | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | you turned it off | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | remember | 22:37 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:37 |
| qole | http://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=661 | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | don't blow your cover | 22:37 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | but isn't that patch only hiding the missing frames? | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it should return blank frame instead | 22:38 |
| qole | exactly... doesn't fix the problem, just hides it | 22:39 |
| qole | so av sync still slips | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | mail the author of the patch about it? :) | 22:40 |
| qole | anyway, thanks for help, all! | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:SSU_update_repository_procedure | 22:50 |
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| johnx | haha! finally made matchbox-keyboard behave in debian | 22:57 |
| johnx | that took waaaay too much effort | 22:57 |
| woglinde | johnx what was the problem? | 22:58 |
| johnx | woglinde, it behaves in a somewhat silly way when not used with matchbox-wm | 22:59 |
| woglinde | hm | 22:59 |
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| johnx | it wanted to be at the top of the screen and wouldn't set it's window type or wm_class | 22:59 |
| woglinde | xkbd works fine *g* | 22:59 |
| johnx | woglinde, under matchbox-wm or something else? | 23:00 |
| woglinde | on n8xx | 23:01 |
| johnx | right, so under matchbox-wm | 23:01 |
| johnx | matchbox-keyboard is fine too under matchbox-wm | 23:01 |
| johnx | but when you try and use it with another wm it behaves badly | 23:01 |
| woglinde | hm the kde virtualkeyboard works fine for me on blackbox | 23:02 |
| johnx | ...and I like being able to resize my windows :) | 23:02 |
| woglinde | yes | 23:02 |
| woglinde | I agree | 23:02 |
| johnx | anyways, it's docked against the bottom nicely now | 23:02 |
| johnx | apps don't maximize over it and they don't even get placed over it when it's visible | 23:03 |
| johnx | I'll consider this victory for now | 23:03 |
| johnx | and all I had to do was re-learn lisp... | 23:03 |
| woglinde | huh matchboxkeyboard is written in lisp? | 23:04 |
| johnx | nope | 23:04 |
| johnx | I hacked this from a window manager point of view | 23:04 |
| johnx | sawfish is awesome | 23:04 |
| woglinde | hm than you did the same trick like me for nx stuff on the n810? | 23:04 |
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| woglinde | looking for window and then set wm_class and stuff | 23:05 |
| johnx | yeah | 23:05 |
| GNUton | Hi there | 23:05 |
| johnx | sawfish just waits for a window named "Keyboard" to get mapped then mangles it :) | 23:05 |
| johnx | hi GNUton | 23:06 |
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| woglinde | hm I build in nxproxy let search in seperate thread | 23:07 |
| woglinde | *g* | 23:07 |
| woglinde | libxuu rockz for this | 23:07 |
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| woglinde | hi GNUton | 23:11 |
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| riot | omfg.. i'm having space-problems and now i see the sample pictures provided by nokia.. theres a 2 MB jpeg in there.. OMFG | 23:26 |
| johnx | heh | 23:26 |
| johnx | been there, done that | 23:26 |
| johnx | check out the PDFs they give you too | 23:26 |
| johnx | and that video | 23:26 |
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| riot | i thought they'd reside on the internal 2gb space.. but noes.... | 23:29 |
| riot | the pdfs are nice, too... portugese manuals even in 2 versions etc.etc.etc.. | 23:29 |
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| riot | oh lala.. | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder who needs manual to use it.. | 23:30 |
| riot | they're probably obliged to deliver it | 23:31 |
| johnx | I guess they accidentally sold it to people who weren't computer geeks or something | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it kind of 'put fewer buttons and more pictograms' device? | 23:31 |
| johnx | and the user guide explains the pictograms to people who haven't seen them | 23:32 |
| riot | or some dork who wasn't in any way neither geek nor coder (e.g. business-consultant or somewhat) put the stuff on.. | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | isn't the point of pictograms to be obvious? | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:32 |
| johnx | meh | 23:33 |
| riot | KotCzarny: yet you bet, stupid wallstreet managers need some extra-explanation... | 23:33 |
| riot | the avg. blackberry user NEEEDS a Manual! And Colourful videos! And 2 Meg JPEGS!! (must be at compression level 0...) | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | you mean, those stupids rule our economy? | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:34 |
| riot | GZZZ. All that shit is hidden, even! | 23:34 |
| riot | KotCzarny: yea. | 23:34 |
| riot | no wonder i missed it until i just started a backup via scp.. | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:35 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, and they have lots more money than us. makes you think about priorities, huh? | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | scp won't backup device and special files | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: scary | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:36 |
| riot | 13 megs of international userguides. *PLONK* | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | riot: clone to sd | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:36 |
| riot | KotCzarny: i'm just backing up my /home/user | 23:36 |
| riot | the os seems to be broken.. i get strange errors. | 23:36 |
| riot | and i wanted to upgrade to diablo anyway | 23:36 |
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| riot | KotCzarny: then i'd rather mount a sshfs. My card's full :) | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | clone to sd | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | clone the os to sd | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:38 |
| riot | nah, i won't. | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | why, it's simple | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| riot | sd -> full | 23:40 |
| riot | os -> b0rked | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | 1gig for os, 3gigs for data | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | works for me | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| riot | got a 3 tb raid here and fast wireless. | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | but n8x0 has slow wireless | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
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| riot | right. How much bandwidth does it when transferring to sd? | 23:41 |
| riot | i currently have avg. 600 kb/sec | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | you mean sd speed? | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | or wifi -> sd speed? | 23:42 |
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| riot | internal flash -> sd | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | should be few megs | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | assuming your sd is fast | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | and you don't copy many small files | 23:43 |
| riot | should be, its a sandisk 8 GB | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | every flash fails when copying many small files | 23:43 |
| riot | scp does so, too, right now | 23:44 |
| riot | well.. gotta go.. cya later :) | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
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| pupnik810 | moo-di-hoo | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | 'lo | 23:51 |
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| johnx | quick screenie before bed: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/awesome-keyboard3.png | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | make it transparent | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:59 |
| johnx | because everything is better transparent? | 23:59 |
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| johnx | to make it less easy to see on a tiny screen? | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | because it will not make things claustrophobic | 23:59 |
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