IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-09-22

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qwerty12_N800Hi, anyone know of a hex editor for the tablet?01:16
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solmumahaanyone know where pupnik is?01:22
GeneralAntillesNo :(01:23
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solmumahawas he at the summit?01:27
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yacoobqwerty12_N800, if you don't find anything useful, vim+xxd could be the answer01:28
jottor use mc :)01:28
qwerty12_N800yacoob: thanks, will remember that01:28
qwerty12_N800jott: thanks, i've got mc on here...01:29
jottqwerty12_N800: just f3 and then f401:30
Mekhmm.. I didn't package kdeutils yet, else you could also use okteta :P01:30
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jotttext-tools still rule the world :)01:30
jotthte is also very nice01:31
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jotthte unfortunately only supports x86 disasm :/01:33
Mekhmm... ony thin gI was wondering while on the train back, does anyone know if there are any plans to get a newer gcc than the old 3.4 one in scratchbox? :)01:33
jottit does arm now? ..hmm01:33
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qwerty12_N800yep, thanks! mc ftw. i'm doing a quick hack to load another model's fw01:33
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crashanddiebad news01:34
jottMek: you can install a newer version - but that will break binary compatibility :)01:34
crashanddieI broke my n81001:34
crashanddiescreen is kaput01:34
Mekjott: yeah... I guess that would indeed be the problem... perhaps freemantle will use a newer gcc? :)01:35
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, warranty?01:35
crashanddiemaybe, but all the paperwork is back in France01:35
GeneralAntillesScreen is kaput or touch panel is kaput?01:35
jottMek: yes afair it will. would be pathetic if not anyway...01:35
crashanddiescreen is disconnected, methinks01:36
GeneralAntillesI'd buy that.01:36
jottcrashanddie: maybe you can just bring it to a nokia store without paper stuff.01:36
GeneralAntillesNot the first N810 I've heard of going dead by the screen disconnecting.01:36
crashanddieKeyboard still lights up, and I can still hear the sound01:36
crashanddiewhen I type on the keyboard01:36
jottit can't be older than 2 years anyway.01:36
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: you know what i suggest reading ;)01:36
crashanddiebut no clicks when I tap the keyboard, no LED, and slider has a hard time opening/closing01:37
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, yeah, but I don't have the tools, I'm already looking at it01:37
crashanddieI'm pretty sure it's just a matter of reconnecting it (I fell a foot or so)01:37
crashanddieit fell**01:37
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jottcrashanddie: i would just try to go to a nokia store.. maybe they are cooperative...01:39
crashanddieI just need the tools really, I'm pretty sure I could fix it myself01:39
crashanddieit's just the closest nokia store is quite a way away01:39
jottyeah well but if you try so, you warranty is invalidated for sure :)01:40
crashanddieoh hang on01:40
crashanddiethere's one in se1501:40
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crashanddieawesome, a new one opened just two bus stops away01:44
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lcuk915 words a day01:50
lcuknine hundred and fifteen words a day01:50
crashanddielcuk, I BROKE MY NIT :'(01:50
lcukhi everyone btw, im still awestruck by how much i typoe01:50
crashanddiea little decency, please01:50
lcukwhat happened?01:50
crashanddieit fell off the coffee table01:51
crashanddieno screen01:51
GAN800He broke it with his ugly face.01:51
crashanddieGAN800, my face compared to yours is about as precious as the Queen's fanny01:51
lcukhello high emporer antilles01:51
lcukcrashanddie, does the device come on and make noises, but no outp[ut01:52
crashanddielcuk, yeah, exact01:52
lcukdo as jott says01:52
lcukhe is afterall a superhero :)01:52
lcukjott, did you find khertan after i left01:52
jotthey lcuk you chatty follower :)01:52
crashanddiekeyboard clicks and lights up, but screen is just disconnected, but yeah, tomorrow morning, nokia trip01:52
jottlcuk: i believe not :/01:53
GAN800Nokia needs to make the display connector less shitty in the next round.01:53
lcukhe mustv gone himself then? maybe he fell in the toilet like rm01:53
crashanddieGAN800, is it a recurring problem?01:53
GAN800crashanddie, I've talked to more than a few people. . . .01:54
crashanddieyeah, so have I, over the course of my life01:54
lcuki opened my suitcase and found a nice signed statement from customs that they thought all my technology was a bomb01:54
crashanddielcuk, seriously?01:54
crashanddielcuk, oh, you back in the UK?01:55
jotthaving two tablets is very suspicious :D01:55
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GAN800. . . who had the same problem problem. :rolleyes:01:55
lcukyer, "we opened your case and checked its contents because it failed the security screening, however this inspection revealed the true contents (chargers and keyboards and deoderant) and allowed it to continue on its journey unmolested :)01:55
lcukthe 2 tablets were in hand luggage01:56
lcuki kept swapping between them -01:56
lcuki had to flip the memory card out each time01:56
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crashanddieI think the worst was at TLHOPE, the keynote about camera-backpacks, the guy had a dvr --taped to one of the sides, a battery, a shitload of wire connecting the two, and ever since he installed it, has never had his luggage checked01:57
jotthehe you could have used wifi and made the plane crash :p01:57
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Mek"bluetooth device detected; do you want to pair with Airbus A380?" :P02:00
lcukjott, no - the code expects some things on mmc1 for now as you know02:00
crashanddieMek, "Please enter 2^128-character passphrase"02:00
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jottcrashanddie: 1234 or 0000 will always work with bt devices :P02:02
lcukhey, thats the passphrase i had on my luggage02:02
crashanddiethe thing is02:02
crashanddiemost people thing the passcode always is 0000 or 123402:02
crashanddiebut what they don't realise02:02
crashanddieis that it's a code both sides have to input02:03
crashanddieso whether you input "1", or "6719", it's all the same02:03
crashanddiebecause you have to share the code to the other party02:03
jottdepending on the device..02:03
lcukcrashanddie, my demo was almost ruined by random act of bluetooth02:03
crashanddielcuk, your demo was almost ruined by presence of yourself :P02:03
lcuki had my apple connected inside my bag and it was randomly pushing buttons02:03
lcukim fine demoing to a single person - once i am connecting with someone i dont care if 1000 people are looking over my shoulder at the big display02:04
lcukbut i fall to pieces if i have to talk on my own02:04
lcukGAN800, has any video been released yet of the summit02:05
jottlcuk: your presentation went fine.02:05
Mekit was a lot better than my louzy kde talk :P02:05
GAN800only the qa from Ari's talk at OSiM.02:06
lcukjott :) thanks02:06
lcuk:) mek02:06
lcukwho are you by the way, your nick rings a bell - were you at summit with us02:07
Mekme? I'm Marijn Kruisselbrink02:07
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lcukand i ask the same question - cos not a single name jumps out, its been a very exciting blur02:08
blafasellcuk: Which of the dozens of presentations you did to various groups of people are you talking about? ;)02:08
jottjust look at some pictures lcuk  :)02:08
lcukyer good point, are pictures up?02:09
jottsome are02:09
andre___summit was too successful - more than 200 people. way too many nicks, names and faces to remember... :-P02:09
lcuki shouldv had a proper camera on my nokia - then i couldv wrote on who ppl were as i took pictures02:09
lcukbut thats future :)02:10
jott :)02:11
jottthere is lcuk pressing space on his bluetooth kb :)02:11
lcukis that th back of neals' head?02:11
lcukim gonna collect lanyards :)02:12
jottthe left one is  mek :)02:12
jotti think02:12
Mekyeah, that is me02:12
jott lol there is mek in the first row looking a bit annoyed/bored :)02:13
Mektired :P02:14
lcuk:D ahhhhh a face02:14
lcukdid you have far to travel02:15
Mek7 hours by train...02:15
lcukif you were khertan you would have made a new app by now02:16
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crashanddieI made 3 different apps last night02:16
crashanddieand deleted two today02:16
crashanddieI'm pissed02:17
crashanddieI'm a bit tipsy02:17
crashanddieI'm calling it a night02:17
lcukgnite crash02:17
lcukgo2nokia tomorrow02:17
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lcukmy shoulders hurt and arms ache02:18
lcukand feet are tired :)02:18
lcukhey jott, i think i "get" the metro/transport system02:19
lcuki managed to get to tegal by train/bus02:19
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jottheh it must have been of use putting the "Map" button in liqbase ;)02:19
lcukyer, as a hack it worked, but im not a mapping person :)02:20
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lcukjott, thanks for finding the pictures, i was feeling a bit miffed i didnt sit and capture some myself02:22
jotthehe but the map made one aware how bad yuv is for colored text :)02:23
* lcuk will thank thoughtfix himself when he sees him02:23
lcuknot really, that was simply bitmap scaling02:23
lcukat native size its not so bad - ill see if i can get a test in soon02:23
jottyour eyes are so bad dude :P02:25
lcukindeed they are02:26
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jottqwerty12_N800: i just uploaded ht to extras-devel :)02:30
qwerty12_N800jott: thanks! sounds cool, i'll grab the deb when it uploads :)02:31
jottit's up :)02:31
lcukbut what is it02:32
jottlcuk: hex-editor with integrated disassembler and elf parser02:33
jott(console based)02:33
lcukwould it use the pg up/down buttons on the toolbar?02:33
* lcuk wondered what they were there for because they dont do what they say on the tin with actual console data02:33
jottyes you can navigate with pg up/down :)02:34
lcukrm_you had some strange console editor open the other day and i couldn use it ;)02:34
qwerty12_N800jott: installed but it wont respond to my taps :)02:34
lcukgood, then its got a gui and it might work for me :D02:34
jottqwerty12_N800: ah it does not seem to have mouse support :)02:35
jottkeyboard only ;>02:35
qwerty12_N800that's me SOL :)02:35
jottit reassembles the turbo pascal tui style :) what was it called again..02:36
lcukdidnt dos have a mouse driver though?02:38
lcukwith a cursor as big as a yuv pixel ;002:38
derfTurbo PASCAL's editor was awesome.02:38
qwerty12_N800there was a lot of mouse drivers for dos02:38
lcukjust copy one over and run it (virus check it first) it will work out of the box :D02:39
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jottlcuk: there where some tricks to get a "real" mouse pointer in text mode like playing with the fonts :)02:42
lcukjott, next time i come to berlin, we have to go for a drink in cbase02:42
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jottyer sure.02:43
lcukthey were havin a hackfest there this afternoon - the guy who looked like vin diesel said they partied real hard on sat night and i dont doubt it :)02:44
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if there's been any progress on the contact details for Freenode. . . .02:48
* GeneralAntilles could really go for a cloak.02:49
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, how long you been working on it?02:49
GeneralAntillesX-Fade filed a request a couple months ago.02:49
crashanddieWe got the securabit cloak in two weeks time02:50
jottGeneralAntilles hey you are a offical pdpc supporter. so make you donations dance :)02:50
GeneralAntillesI do have a line in with a couple staffers.02:50
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, seriously though, talk directly to a few opers02:50
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, if you play your cards right, they'll ask for a list of people02:51
jottheh GeneralAntilles just wants to show off with a maemo/council/chairman cloak :)02:51
crashanddienot possible though :P02:52
GeneralAntilless/talk directly/yell at X-Fade to "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!"/02:52
crashanddiemaemo/council/GeneralAntilles is the best you'd get02:52
crashanddieI don't think will be possible02:53
GeneralAntillesNo periods?02:53
crashanddieno websites02:53
GeneralAntillesI swear I've seen periods. . . .02:53
crashanddieperiods are fine02:53
GeneralAntillesIt's an organization02:53
lcukGeneralAntilles, you have lost x-fade now - he played on a wii for the first time the other night and is adicted02:53
GeneralAntillesdistinct from Nokia's Maemo.02:53
lcukthe servers are goin to hell02:54
GeneralAntilleslcuk, ahahaha02:54
GeneralAntillesFirst time, eh?02:54
lcuki believe3 so yer02:54
lcukhe was surprised when it was on02:54
GeneralAntillesSomebody should mail him a copy of Twilight Princess.02:54
crashanddieFirst time always hurts02:54
GeneralAntillesand Wario Ware02:54
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jottcrashanddie: why wouldn't maemo/council/chairman be possible?02:54
GeneralAntillesHe'll implode.02:54
lcukGeneralAntilles, some of the newer games dont come close to the socialability of original sports (which was what was on)02:55
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jott"Unique identifier" sounds like it can be chairman too ..02:55
crashanddiejott, cuz the last part is the nickname02:55
jottmo "unique identifier"02:55
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lcukwtf @ ballmer
lcukhes even more off his trolleyt02:57
jottthis guy is on cocaine 24/702:58
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n800mdude wtf02:58
n800mhe really is insane02:59
n800mi thought it all stopped at flying chairs02:59
lcukthey should make a screensaver with that03:00
* lcuk replaces bacon.png03:00
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sneakrethas Nokia announced a new maemo device¥'04:11
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TokyoDanThere seem to be many utilities that switch between USB Peripheral/Host (Networking) modes. The 3 I've tried are:04:21
TokyoDanUSB Control04:21
TokyoDanUSB Host/Otg04:21
TokyoDanAnd then the Maemo PC Connectivity package installs maemo-control-usb among other things. But I read somewhere that maemo-control-usb requires USB Control (Which requires Python).04:21
TokyoDanWhat I'm trying to do is set up a LAN connection over USB between my N810 Diable and my Mac OSX Leopard. The reason I want this LAN connection is I'm trying to use Eclipse Pluthon to develop Python apps that can be run/debugged directly on the N810 without the need for the sandbox environment on my PC.04:21
TokyoDanMy questions are:04:21
TokyoDan1. Do all three of these little utilities do the same thing?04:21
TokyoDan2. Is Host mode the same as LAN/Networking mode?04:21
TokyoDan3. What USB/PC Connectivity packages need to be installed to accomplish this.04:21
TokyoDanP.S. I've read all the incomplete documentation and am completely confused because of the similar utilities having dependencies/conflicts, and not enough info about if they are good-to-go on Diablo or just Chinook.04:21
GeneralAntillesErm, why do you need USBnet for that?04:23
GeneralAntillesJust copy the files over sftp or something. . . .04:23
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TokyoDanThe Eclipse documentation say that PC Networking is necessary. PC Networking installs maemo-control-usb.04:26
TokyoDanmaemo-control-usb needs USB Control I believe.04:27
sneakretNecessary how?04:27
TokyoDanThat's just what I've read.04:27
TokyoDanDo I need te PC Networking package to use Eclipse-Pluthon?04:28
TokyoDanI'm pretty confused but I've read that the N810 has to be in host/Lan mode to use ssh from the PC to the N810.04:29
GeneralAntillesForget USB04:29
GeneralAntillesWhat do you think WiFi is for?04:29
sneakretsounds like there's some incorrect documentation leading you astray.04:31
TokyoDanMaybe I'm using the wrong terms. PC Networking = Maemo PC Connectivity package that is required by Eclipse/Pluthon to debug directly on the N810.04:31
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TokyoDanI just want to know the easiest way to enable the N810 Diable USB for LAN connection to my Mac so that I can use Eclipse-Pluthon.04:39
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sneakrettokyodan: I guess nobody here knows that.04:52
sneakretno one here at the moment, anyway04:53
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TokyoDanI guess you're right sneakernet.05:13
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PingerAnyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810?05:38
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PingerAnyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810?05:39
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TokyoDananybody here?07:24
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TokyoDan|awayheading out for some exercise.07:35
* RST38h moos woefully07:38
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PingerAnyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810?08:04
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RST38h"Don't you think it's just a little scary that people who spend their programming careers in Javascript and PHP are now allowed to think about concurrent execution?" <== priceles08:09
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Italodancewhat are file managers for IT?08:35
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rm_youdodgy connection08:38
Italodancewhat are file managers for IT?08:41
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bef0rdbuilt in file manager09:09
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derfWelcome to the party.09:14
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* pupnik810 happy09:14
pupnik810how was summit?09:14
derfI wouldn't know.09:15
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summatusmentisthe n810 doesn't have an fm radio, correct?09:24
solmumahapupnik810: morning09:24
summatusmentis:-/ bummer09:24
solmumahamorning all actually09:25
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robinkjsmanrique: Morning.10:53
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RST38hmoo, zap11:17
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crashanddiehey X-Fade11:27
crashanddieNow, that was exceptionally fun11:27
X-FadeIt sure was ;)11:27
crashanddieHaving my n810's alarm clock going off11:27
crashanddieWith the broken screen11:27
crashanddieso... unable to turn it off11:27
cuseHi! I'm using Maemo Diablo on Debian Sid and got the following problem: when trying to install any package with "fakeroot apt-get install something" I get "ERROR: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot/' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded" and so it fails to install or upgrade any package. What can I do?11:28
X-FadeRemove battery ;)11:28
crashanddieX-Fade, when you're waking up from I drunk night, it's a bit hard to think logically...11:28
crashanddieX-Fade, I stood up, left it outside my room11:29
crashanddiefrom a drunk night**11:29
X-Fadecrashanddie: heh ;)11:29
crashanddieanyway, monday morning gotta get ready to run my weekly marathon11:30
zapRST38h: moo11:30
crashanddieX-Fade, you enjoyed the Summit?11:30
X-Fadecrashanddie: Oh, yes.. I sure did. It was amazing.11:30
crashanddieGood. Lucky you !11:31
crashanddieApparently they ship tomorrow for the 16Gig micro-sd11:31
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Stskeepscuse: you mean the SDK?11:34
cuseStskeeps: yes11:34
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Stskeepsscratchbox 1 i guess?11:35
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cuseI tried "sb-conf install --fakeroot", but "fakeroot apt-get ..." still fails11:37
cusewith the same error11:38
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thuxhi, what shoud put flasher --set-root-device <here> to get booting back to diskchip?12:06
thuxapparently <flash> works12:18
univacdoes someone know about charging on diablo? i cant charge my empty battery becouse its everytime reboots from chargeing mode to Nokia bootsplash logo12:20
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taplaxunivac: i think that was some firmware issue which has been fixed. you might try to find it from itt thread:
univacok thanks.12:38
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lardman~lart TalkTalk broadband12:45
* infobot executes killall -HUP TalkTalk broadband12:45
lardmanGeneralAntilles: apologies for dropping out yesterday, see above12:46
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lardmanhi johnx12:48
johnxhow goes it?12:48
lardmannot bad, summit was good :)12:49
lardmanwhoa, trying to edit this page to add a link to my presentation (, does the preview not work correctly?12:50
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X-Fadelardman: Sometimes tables in previews have 'issues'.12:54
lardmanX-Fade: I was loath to save it, didn't look too good12:57
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NeoWatchhey guys... my n800's screen keep scrolling down and shaking anyone has an idea what would cause that? even reflashing didnt fix it13:09
johnx"scrolling down"? is it reacting like the d-pad down button is held?13:10
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NeoWatchsee like when a movie finishes and u see the credits? the same but i keep seeing the same screen one and again13:11
X-FadeNeoWatch: Looks like a display cable problem or something. Hardware related at least.13:12
NeoWatchhmm i bought in in compusa hopefully they still have warranty13:12
X-FadeNeoWatch: Just to be sure. You even see the bootup Nokia logo scroll?13:13
X-FadeYep, hardware problem.13:13
NeoWatchright now i have it on USB mode and its scrolling13:13
X-FadeIt can be something as simple as your flatcable a bit loose. But try warranty first ;)13:14
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NeoWatchokey thanks.13:16
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bongohello :)13:29
RST38hHello, X-Fade13:33
RST38hX-Fade: Any news on Speccy 1.6.3 promotion to Extras?13:34
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lcukX-Fade, :) hi - did you wake up the next day with "wii-elbow"?13:40
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lcukhi everyone else btw \o13:42
X-Fadelcuk: No, upper arm hurt :)13:42
X-FadeRST38h: I'll check..13:42
lcuk:D did you do anything other than tennis?  i found the baseball and boxing was hardest13:42
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X-FadeWell, did some Mario cart too.13:42
RST38hDo they have Castlevania for Wii at all?13:43
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lcukthats easy (apart from throwing stuff at your mates13:43
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lcuklego star wars is wicked - waving light sabre around is good fun13:43
RST38h  <=== second degree gender discrimination13:44
Fatalor plopping the arms off stormtroopers13:44
RST38h(although I do believe they are computing two variables that depend on a third rather than on each other)13:45
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StsN800lo aladds14:05
X-FadeRST38h: Non-free?14:07
StsN800aladds, you have something called bme-dbus-proxy in 2006?14:08
aladdsStsN800: no idea, but i can find out14:08
* aladds boots his 770 into OS200614:08
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X-FadeRST38h: You need to remind me of the problem. It looks good to me?14:09
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aladdsStsN800: yes, yes i do14:12
StsN800aladds, good:)14:12
lardmanhi lcuk14:13
lcukhi simon :)14:14
lardmando some sightseeing?14:14
aladdsStsN800: gimmie a sec :P14:14
* lcuk had a really good time, hope you had fun too14:14
lardmandefinitely, shame I had to leave so early, was having a good chat about mapper backends14:14
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lcukyer, i spent the afternoon around the zoo and the transport system - it was amazing to just stand around and listen to the bustle14:14
lardmandid you see the aquarium?14:15
lcuki am even starting to understand both language and the way things work - i was amazed with everything :)14:15
lardmanall good :)14:15
lcukno, i didnt go in anywhere - lack of funds - but it wasnt as important to me14:15
lcuknext time im bringing tracy and the kids with us (if things progress) and then we can spend some proper time doin stuff14:16
* lcuk loves berlin :)14:16
lcukhow was your return trip - everything smooth14:17
lardmanyeah, delayed of course, but Holly picked me up14:17
* lardman wonders how Jamie got on14:17
aladdsStsN800: does this help?
lcuki had a slight delay between tegal and frankfurt - i was told to run through and legged it top whack - i arrived and the very nice german security staff were nicand found out which way and clarified i had enough time n stuff14:18
* lcuk was knackered14:19
* lardman got home full of ideas for stuff to hack at, and bloody broadband was still broken14:19
lcukouch - i tried to connect my nokia(s) to my phone whilst in berlin and it failed miserably, i cant wait for the new stuff - all in one will make my life easier14:20
lcukwhich stuff are you looking towards?14:20
lardmanI thought I'd take a stab at the usb2vga stuff, take a look at why usb is slow14:22
lardmanand also tile/routing server backend for OSM data for Maemo mapper14:22
lcukyer, it did seem a bit "wrong" - hopefully its something tweakable14:22
lcukyer, that was a very interesting track :) i wonder if a similar server could be built to interface with the already onboard vector maps we have on device14:23
lcukit would save doubling up on the space requirements for 810 owners14:23
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lardmanwell yes that would be possible, using the same code in mm assuming someone works out the format and creates a server to render the data and do routing14:24
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lardmanI imagine Garmin maps would be the second target as the format is known14:24
lcukyer, if the framework gets started it can be moulded into something usable by the vogue of the day14:24
* lcuk has 5 hours till tracy comes home14:25
lardmanthere's not even much framework needed, just need to act as a web server and serve mm with whatever it currently uses14:25
lcukwell, till she picks me up14:25
lardmanwhere are you now then?14:25
* lcuk knows where he would rather be14:26
* lardman would rather be home programming, but with internet that's not going to be all that convenient14:27
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lcuki was sat around making notes about all the areas which need tweaking and imporvoing and how to do the next phase14:27
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lardmans/with/with no14:27
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lcukthanksfully most of my stuff  is happy without internet - for now - :)14:27
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lardmanI need to grab svn code, look at how things work, etc.14:28
lcukbut ive gotta re-evaluate how to dev since my family got a bit bigger14:28
Stsn800aladds, yeah -ta14:28
lcukgood /me has a whole set of new ideas which can be tested now :)14:28
lcukhmmm -good (but thats not bad)14:29
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* lardman has to reduce a 20pg paper to 8pg, madness14:29
lcukso what time did you land back yesterday and how late were you?14:29
lardmanlcuk: I got back on Sat night, about 11pm14:30
lcukCtrl A, Font Size 6.  Done14:30
lardmanlol, yeah I'm tempted14:30
lcuki hate boiling things down, but its still easier than not having enough and having to pad things out14:31
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lcukdoes anyone know if theres a bluetooth wristwatch with a customisable display?14:33
lcukie one i can send a bitmap to14:33
* lcuk is sick of writing reminders on side of thumbs14:33
crashanddie16Gig microSD in stock:
crashanddiemobymemory starts delivering tomorrow14:35
lcuknot good if you cant see the data14:35
crashanddielcuk, why wouldn't you be able to see the data?14:35
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lcukyou can't i mean14:36
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crashanddieoh because of the screen?14:36
lcukdid you get food?14:36
crashanddieanyway, off to CarePhone Warehouse14:36
karbasbtw. is there any book or document about maemo platform14:37
crashanddieand if they won't fix it, I'll go directly to Nokia UK HQ14:37
karbasshould do my thesis and write some pages about maemo in general14:37
lcukyes do14:37
Stsn800oh, this is interesting14:37
crashanddielcuk, I'll drop my CV off at the same time :D14:37
lcukgood idea14:37
crashanddielcuk, got a call from another company, they'd like to interview me for a "nicely paid job in the south east"14:37
Stsn800austin che started reverse engineering bme protocol14:37
lcuklet them know you are involved in the community14:38
crashanddielcuk, usually that means crappy pay for a fortune5billion company14:38
lcukhmmm this would work for what i want
lcukcrashanddie, thats the case everywhere14:39
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mgedminlcuk: hi14:44
mgedmin'mariuuuu*s' is not in my notify words list14:44
lcukhahaha but it worked14:44
mgedminfound a coctail bar that had sushi14:45
lcukhow was the return journey for you?14:45
mgedminit was nice14:45
mgedminthe next day was not so nice14:45
mgedminhad no time to get breakfast before my flight14:45
mgedminarrived home with a headache14:45
mgedmincrashed and lost the rest of the day14:45
lcuk:( i hate those kind of days14:46
lcukall fine now and back on track i gather14:46
lcukim goin smokin, ill b back after work14:50
mgedminfilthy habit14:50
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Stsn800hm, who runs that mrrau dyndns site?14:59
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Stskeeps~seen KotCzarny15:11
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infobotkotczarny <n=ariel@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 97d 13h 17m 37s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'.15:12
aladdsStskeeps: pidgin is sloooow15:12
RST38hSomething happened to him15:12
RST38hCar accident? Murder? Marriage?15:12
solmumaha~seen Alterego15:12
infobotalterego <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 207d 19h 54m 53s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get back up.'.15:12
solmumahaheavy rest indeed15:13
solmumahai miss him :(15:14
StskeepsRST38h: that person had some interesting insight into implementing OSS solutions of nokia things15:14
Stskeepskinda like austin che15:14
RST38hSts: Too late now.15:15
RST38h"He is dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and I will take his purse."15:15
Stskeepshis site is still up so there's hope ;)15:15
Stskeepshm. he's actually on freenode15:15
solmumahaso is alterego!15:16
RST38h-> *KotCzarny* Hey, how come we do not see you at #maemo any more? =)15:17
Stskeepsi asked some more specific question :P15:17
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* mgedmin wants pulseaudio on his n81015:18
Stskeepsosso-esd is OSS these days15:18
Stskeepsimplement it?15:18
Stskeeps(yes, dsp headers too)15:19
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RST38hmgedmin: what is the advantage over esd?15:26
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mgedminRST38h: you can switch streams in mid-play to a different networked output15:27
mgedminwhich is my killer use-case for pulseaudio15:28
mgedminplus zeroconf discoverability, yum15:28
mgedmin(shame it all works better in theory than in practice)15:28
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mgedminIIRC pulseaudio is going to be builtin in freemantle15:29
RST38hmgdemin: cool, too bad it does not help my usage case =(15:29
Stskeepsmgedmin: the osso-esd stuff is pretty simple, so go ahead and make a pulseaudio output plugin :P15:30
RST38hWhich is synthesizing audio on the fly and playing it with reasonble latency/jitter15:30
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blafaselWhoa. Call me ignorant, but I never thought someone would actually use the sword/rapier stuff. Interesting.15:31
RST38hBTW anyone knows if esd *ever* stalls when you output samples? It seems to be buffering whatever I output15:31
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ShadowJKconsidering pulseaudio sometimes uses 25% cpu on my sempron3100 just outputting sound, it will certainly be "interesting" to see how pulseaudio will fit into a tiny ARM cpu... :)15:34
RST38h"Interesting" as in "will it use 100% CPU or just 25%"? =)15:35
ShadowJKYou can forget low latency and low jitter if you're up to 25% cpu just to stream nice big chunks of audio :)15:35
* RST38h asks The Great Green One to make Nokia provide a standard /dev/dsp device15:36
RST38h /dev/audio or /dev/pcm will do just as well though, no problem15:36
ShadowJKIt's certainly sad that Linux has no decent audio interface right now15:37
suihkulokkiRST38h: well, it's certainly fortunate that you are not doing architectural decisions :)15:37
RST38hShadow: Who said it does not?15:37
RST38hsuihkulokki: Fortune is in the eye of a beholder15:37
blafaselRST38h: The linuxhater blog did.15:38
RST38hShadow: Any of the above listed interfaces will work just fine15:38
RST38hblafasel: They also called to the Great Green One? Have they sacrificed a tux or two?15:38
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RST38hShadow: Ok, I agree that OSS ioctl()s implemented in /dev/dsp are SoundBlaster centric and should be mostly dropped. But the base API is exactly what is needed and not a whistle more15:39
ShadowJKyeah, the OSS stuff is probably the most sane15:40
RST38hWell, there is also Sun's /dev/audio - very similar to /dev/dsp but simpler15:40
RST38hAnd there is FreeBSD's /dev/pcm - a simplified straightened out version of /dev/dsp15:40
ShadowJKAnd if you use the out of tree OSS drivers you can even play multiple sounds at once!15:40
ShadowJKsunaudio is nice15:41
Stskeepssuihkulokki: what's debian policy on things that's reverse engineered btw? i'm allowed to from my law atleast to open things up and stuff15:41
Stskeepssuihkulokki: if for instance we start making OSS replacements for nokia daemons15:41
RST38hShadow: Multiple streams issue has been solved long time ago - you normally have 4 or so audio device nodes15:41
* ShadowJK has one15:41
RST38hNo dsp0 through dsp3?15:42
suihkulokkiStskeeps, there is no debian policy, but you'll want to keep keep the documentation and implementing phases atleast separate15:42
RST38hWell, try opening the one you have multiple times15:42
ShadowJKcan only open it once15:42
Stskeepssuihkulokki: *nod*15:42
RST38hThen your version does not support multiple streams15:42
suihkulokkiand the rest of you guys should read the Linux plumbers conf audio miniconf notes from lwn.new15:43
ShadowJKneed the OSS that isn't in Linux :P15:43
suihkulokki..before makinf more ill-informed comments based on anecdoctal evidence :P15:43
ShadowJK"the software that currently breaks your audio."15:47
RST38hsuihkulokki: this stuff should have never been in the userland15:49
RST38hIt should have been a device with a clean ioctl() based API15:49
mgedminkernel hackers disagree :(15:50
* RST38h feels to urge to suggest FreeBSD instead15:50
mgedminthey don't want audio resampling & mixing in kernel-space15:50
mgedminfreebsd on a tablet?15:50
RST38hmgedmin: why not?15:51
mgedmincould be a nice lightning talk topic for the next summit15:51
* aquatix wants minix3 dammit15:51
RST38hIt runs on the iPhone :)15:51
mgedminwe'll be expecting you ;)15:51
suihkulokkiusing freebsd would allow N to keep more components closed15:51
RST38hNot likely. If I get a chance to attend, the talk will most likely be centered on performance optimization for ARMs15:51
mgedminshush, don't give them any ideas!15:52
RST38hsuihkulokki: however they wish.15:52
RST38hbtw, mixing they will have to have implement in the kernel but resampling can be done in a helper library15:53
ShadowJKIt's like, you have a problem with Applications X and soundsystem/daemon Y, the Y devs say it's the fault of X, the X people are clueless because Y wont tell them what to change or what they're doing wrong, enough different Xs eventually emerge and they write another sound system/daemon, and the cycle repeats :(15:53
RST38hAnd decent hardware will do mixing by itself of course.15:53
ShadowJKThere will be no decent hardware :)15:54
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RST38hShadow: AC97 supports multiple streams15:55
RST38hAnd that is *97*, mind you :)15:55
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aquatixyeah, i still hate how i can't even listen music and play a flash movie with sound at the same time on my brandnew workstation15:55
aquatixsomehow works on my laptop though15:56
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ShadowJKI can as long as I don't mind pulseaudio eating 25% CPU, and/or flash having 4 second latency :-)15:56
RST38hShadow: You do not have AC97 or maybe you need a proper audio deriver?15:57
infobotRST38h meant: Shadow: You do not have AC97 or maybe you need a proper audio driver?15:57
jsmanriquetime for lunch15:57
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blafaselpa works for me, it's not even lagging behind. Except when I close epiphany/flash, I have to listen to some 3-4 seconds of youporn before it dies.15:57
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* Stskeeps glances at his tablet and pondering what it is doing15:58
blafasel(and wine sucks with pa. Same for some voip apps)15:58
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ShadowJKblafasel, yeah that's what I meant with latency15:58
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ShadowJKRST38h, lspci says AC'97 :P15:59
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ShadowJKit's not like anything except ac97 exists on desktop in real life anymore..15:59
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RST38hShadow: There is some way to see audio device stats that also shows you hiw many streams are supported16:00
mgedminI bet AC97 *allows* multiple streams, but doesn't *require* them16:01
mgedminso everyone goes for the cheap solution and implement mixing in software16:01
ShadowJK/proc/asound/pcm lists one playback one record stream16:02
ShadowJKhm no, seems like 2 capture and 1 playback :)16:02
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RST38h2 capture is for stereo =)16:07
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RST38hShadow: The Net says ALSA contains a software mixing plugin16:08
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johnxRST38h, that's dmix16:09
johnxit works great too16:09
johnxnot network transparent though16:09
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RST38hoh, who needs network transparency really...16:10
mgedminI do16:10
RST38hwhat is the usage case? a thin client?16:10
johnxRST38h, some people :)16:10
johnxplaying sound from my tablet to my computer's speakers?16:10
johnxfrom laptop to speakers hoooked to a set-top box16:11
RST38hjohnx: mount it as a device16:11
RST38hI mean, as a storage device16:11
johnxthat is one possibility16:11
RST38hand a wiser one two, with respect to the amount of data transferred16:11
johnxbut it can be kind of a PITA sometimes16:12
johnxI'm just playing the devil's advocate anyways...16:13
RST38hworks for me most of the time...even over bluetooth =)16:13
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Mekhmm.. how do I figure out in what repository a package is? Because currently I have a package I need that is available in my scratchbox install, but not on my actual device...16:27
johnxapt-cache policy package16:27
Mekah, it is diablo/sdk. does it hurt to enable that on an actual device?16:28
Stskeepswe enable it as part of deblet install :P16:29
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Mekanyway, why are many perl modules only available in sdk, ant not in some 'normal' repository :)16:32
Stskeepsmaemo madness16:33
Stskeepsit's kinda like mad cow, only with operating systems16:33
X-FadeBecause they are used by certain debian tools?16:33
johnxsounds like a game show on daytime TV...16:33
X-FadeWhich are not needed on the device.16:33
X-FadeAnd enabling the sdk repository on your device is a bad thing to do.16:33
Stskeepsso binutils on tablet is considered harmful?16:34
Mekbut they are not only used by debian tools, someone may also wright a real application in perl for example... :P16:34
X-FadeNo, but if you need them: Upload to extras?16:34
X-FadeMek: Sure, put perl in extras ;)16:35
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Stskeepsi'd love binutils in extras really :P16:35
Stskeeps(which other do we use from diablo/sdk, johnx?)16:35
MekI guess I'll upload all the perl modules I need to extras-devel than...16:35
johnxStskeeps, do you still grab bash from someplace random?16:36
timelessx-fade: err16:36
Stskeepsjohnx: we don't need bash anymore16:36
Stskeepssh is just fine16:36
X-FadeMek: That would be the best option as others can use it too.16:36
X-Fadebinutils is in the sdk/tools repo. Which you can use on the device.16:39
X-FadeBut no perl, I'm affraid.16:40
johnxStskeeps, ncurses-base is from sdk or tools16:41
Mekwell.. perl must be somewhere, because I already have that installed on my device...  justmany perl modules are missing...16:41
Stskeepsah yes16:41
X-FadeEhm, right. It is on the device.16:42
X-FadeBut probably pretty slimmed down./16:42
johnxdiablo/tools/free is ok to have enabled on the device, right?16:43
johnxor is that related to sdk?16:43
X-FadeThe tools part is ok.16:43
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johnxStskeeps, looks like we can get everything from non-sdk repos16:44
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Stskeepswhat about binutils? :P16:46
Stskeepsthat's good to know16:46
Stskeeps*add to todo*16:46
johnxfor n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done16:47
johnxit doesn't cope well with |'s but just ignore those16:47
GeneralAntillesohgod. Please, no, RST38h. <_<16:48
Stskeeps[15:45] <johnx> for n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done16:48
Stskeepswrong paste16:48
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Stskeepsjohnx: is the new apt-using installer if you are interested - repo URL isn't final yet but it works, going to prod some people with it to test how it works with the new package infrastructure16:49
Stskeeps(no upgrade path from normal deblet yet sadly)16:49
johnxthat's fine, I'll backup my $HOME and give it a shot16:49
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Stskeepsminor things like hal-gpio-switch aren't working, atleast16:50
Stskeepscos for some reason apt doesnt choose -my- hal version16:52
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johnxwe can pin your repo at a higher priority16:52
Stskeepsyeah, true16:52
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Stskeepsit's weird though since it was like a ~version compared to the - version16:53
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RST38hX-Fade: Any luck on that Speccy package?16:54
X-FadeRST38h: What is the problem with it? :)16:54
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* Stskeeps spams the usual suspects with "could you try this out" pm's16:54
X-FadeRST38h: I checked it, installed it, uninstalled it. Worked for me?16:54
RST38hGeneral: What did your request relate to? =)16:55
GeneralAntillesNot trying to get KotCzarny back in here if he's still around.16:55
RST38hX-Fade: I uploaded 1.6.3 last night, but the Packages file still says 1.6.216:55
X-FadeRST38h: No it doesn't?16:55
RST38hGeneral: Has he been naughty?16:55
GeneralAntillesI am not a fan.16:55
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X-FadeRST38h: I installed 1.6.3 from Application Manager?16:56
RST38hX-Fade:  <-- definitely says 1.6.2. Weird.16:56
* RST38h seems to be a victim of some web cache16:56
X-FadeRST38h: Ah, wait. I might have -devel enabled :)16:56
* RST38h submitted it to plain extras16:56
X-FadeRST38h: It is in too btw.16:57
X-FadeRST38h: Are you sure you are not looking at a cached copy?16:57
X-FadeVersion: 1.6.3-116:57
X-FadeVersion: 1.6.3-116:58
X-FadeMD5sum: 6a3c695ee815fd3cf175fd264cf65da516:58
RST38hOk, lemme wget it from Komkon16:58
X-FadeRST38h: Why are you using 4.1 and not diablo btw?16:58
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RST38hdunno...a's a link, right?16:59
X-FadeYes, but still ;)16:59
RST38hIt is there, but so is 1.6.2. Ok, off to update Downloads page16:59
X-FadeRST38h: Yeah, we don't do cleanup at the moment.16:59
* RST38h uses PICO to write code. What do you expect from him? =)16:59
RST38hBTW, as 1.6.3 is available, check it out in full screen mode - it should use /dev/fb0 device now, much faster17:00
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, any progress with Freenode?17:04
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: On what?17:05
GeneralAntillesThe contact info and cloaks.17:05
X-FadeAh, no.17:05
* GeneralAntilles is feeling really vain.17:05
X-FadeOf course not ;)17:05
X-FadeBut I guess you council guys should be able to arrange this? :D17:06
GeneralAntillesThe council's job is delegation, not doing. :P17:06
GeneralAntillesI could poke a staffer or two, though.17:07
X-FadeI at least know that the web form is useless.17:07
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie said the turnaround for them was 2 weeks.17:17
X-FadeHmm, then mine was probably lost ;)17:17
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, how long ago did you file the form?17:20
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: 2 months ago at least?17:20
X-FadeThe contact form for a channel.17:21
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GeneralAntillesI'm poking #freenode.17:21
Palintheusfwiw I've seen people in there asking when their form was 6+ mos old17:26
GeneralAntillesThen whose palm did crashanddie grease. . . .17:27
PalintheusI think it's a matter of constantly asking/bugging which ever staffer you can get17:29
StsN800what form? (i know a staffer)17:30
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GeneralAntillesThe group contact form. (as do I)17:30
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andrewfblackI found a new Web Based strategy game I can't quit playing.  Its designed for the iphone17:46
RST38hX-Fade: btw, Slide Rule for some reason does not show in the list of my apps in the Profile17:46
RST38hX-Fade: First thought that it was a matter of time, but it does look stuck now17:46
andrewfblackRST38h: I don't think profiles are updating garage projects right now17:47
X-FadeRST38h: There is a limit on items in the box. I still need to remove that.17:47
RST38hBut I looked at the HTML and it is not there either17:47
RST38hAnd the project page ( does not show the author name too17:48
X-FadeRST38h: Ah, that is an other problem. Page -> edit metadata..17:49
X-FadeAdd yourself as author there.17:49
RST38hsays "no results"17:50
X-Fadeenter your full last name or full nick17:51
RST38hYea, last name only - worked17:52
X-FadeIt doesn't do part search.17:52
RST38hneither full name nor nick worked though17:52
lardmanHow fast is Python compared to C?17:53
mgedminnot very17:53
lardmanthought so17:53
mgedminunless you're measuring develpoment speed, as opposed to runtime speed17:53
lardmanyeah, always a trade-off17:53
lardmanjust looking at OSM data rendering and routing, seems to be lots of Python projects around17:54
mgedminpython is a very nice language17:54
mgedminbut I wouldn't advise writing massively parallel physics simulations in it17:54
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lardmanno, I can understand that17:55
RST38haudio decoders also apply17:55
lardmanI suppose that access times to MySQL databases are pretty slow, so Python may not be a large hinderance17:55
RST38hfor database stuff it is fine17:56
lardmanRST38h: Damn, I was hoping to move over ;)17:56
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* RST38h figured that much =)17:56
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lardmanslow compared to Python vs C execution time I meant17:56
lardmanthough that's not really valid thinking17:57
mgedminone guy wrote a VoIP implementation in Python17:57
lardmanwith some hw assist/external C libs I presume?17:58
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RST38hThere are people who wrote Spectrum and NES emulators in Java17:58
mgedminthere was a subroutine for audio mixing in the standard library, apparently17:58
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Mekthere are people who wrote x86 dos emulators in Java :)17:58
lardmanok, well I may have a crack at pulling something together from the Python code, should be reasonably quick to code at least17:58
RST38hmgdemin: btw, how did he do the encoding? surely there is no audio codec stuff in pythonstandard libs?18:00
RST38hMek: eek.18:00
lardmanMek: I guess that's a way of stopping DOS programs from running too quickly on our otherwise fast processors ;)18:01
mgedminRST38h: don't remember; check out
lardmannative PortAudio18:03
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RST38hUses the G711 ULAW codec by default, or GSM 06.10 (with additional pygsm module installed).18:04
RST38hAt the moment G711 ULAW (aka PCMU) is supported with the standard Python audioop module. If you install Itamar Shtull-Trauring's pygsm module (available from shtoom CVS as module 'pygsm', or from the 'Files' section of the shtoom website), it will also handle GSM 06.10.18:05
lardmanpygsm wraps libgsm18:07
lardmanso anyway, yep eventually the heavy lifting is done in C (or asm ;)18:08
RST38hG711 may still be written in python though...18:08
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derflardman: Is there a basic library for just doing an FFT on the DSP already?18:10
lardmanderf: yes18:10
lardmanhang on a tick18:10
lardmanshould give you the spru number18:11
lardmanprobably this one (I can't read OO files in the office):
Italodancehi johnx18:13
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johnxhi Italodance. did you get it fixed?18:13
lardman is also worth a look18:14
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derfActually this is for audio.18:16
derfLooking at a CELT port... if I can offload the FFT used for the pitch search, encode+decode should fit comfortably in real time (they're just barely real time now).18:16
GeneralAntillesHow'd the website redesign discussion go at the Summit, btw?18:20
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: 30 mins was way to short ;)18:22
GeneralAntillesI like Bundyo's general design.18:22
GeneralAntillesIf we drop most of the js garbage.18:22
X-FadeI do too, although I dislike green ;)18:22
X-FadeBut Quim has asked the indt designers to make a design too.18:23
* GeneralAntilles was trying to get some sort of traction on that a month ago. . . .18:23
X-FadeAlthough I think that reorg of the pages is more important than redesign of the style.18:24
X-FadeRestructuring vs redesign.18:24
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crashanddieso without any proof of purchase, I can't send my NIT into repair18:25
X-FadeHmm lame, my blog post didn't get posted yesterday. Well, better late then never ;)18:25
X-Fadecrashanddie: Well, that is no news?18:25
X-Fadecrashanddie: You always need to provide that.18:26
lardmanderf: I'm happy to help18:26
crashanddieNokia told me to contact a company, which I did, 20 quid initial costs, and then they will advise me of what's happening next. But it'll probably be around a hundred quid total18:26
crashanddieI went into a phone repair shop, and they told me just opening it up and seeing what's wrong was 15 quid, and then extra on what they'll have to do18:27
lardmanX-Fade: same here (30min too short), though everyone may have fallen asleep if my slot had been longer - Florian for example ;)18:27
derflardman: Just looking for now.18:27
crashanddieSo I just asked them to get me a screwdriver set for the NIT, and I'll do it myself18:27
X-Fadelardman: Check my blog post on planet ;)18:27
derfI also assume you haven't looked at any of the QR code stuff yet.18:28
Italodancenot yet i show u now18:28
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johnxItalodance, ok. show me18:28
florianlardman: heh, well... noone blames you for the free beer the evening before ;)18:28
crashanddieX-Fade, yeah, but it's still bollocks18:28
lardmanflorian: :)18:28
GeneralAntillesI don't get the proof of purchase requirement.18:28
X-Fadecrashanddie: No? Warranty isn't transferable?18:29
GeneralAntilles^ retarded18:29
crashanddiestill bollocks anyway18:29
X-FadeWell, I don't think storing a receipt is a big deal, really.18:29
Italodancejohnx it just added others???18:30
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lardmanX-Fade: lol, thanks; am expanding it into a decent document to fill in the gaps and replace the current wiki page18:30
Italodancewithout overwrite18:30
X-Fadelardman: I was sitting there with Quim and we were just blown away ;)18:30
Italodancejohnx maybe i need to active obe of these news18:31
lardmanderf: what code base are you working from? Git, or 0.4.0?18:31
johnxItalodance, I really don't know what's wrong. sorry.18:33
derflardman: Git.18:33
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lardmanderf: I;'ve got to go now, but have grabbed the 0.4.0 tarball, you're talking about the pitch.c file?18:35
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crashanddieX-Fade, I still have the receipt, everything18:37
crashanddieX-Fade, it's just about 1500km away18:37
lardmanok, I'll take a look - broadband probably not working at home so I'll catch you tomorrow18:37
derfBasically the real16_fft_inplace call.18:37
X-Fadecrashanddie: Aw :(18:37
crashanddieX-Fade, and I'm not about to go and take a plane/train to get to my storage room18:37
X-Fadecrashanddie: Where did you buy it? nokia online shop?18:38
lardmanderf: and the inverse? What data lengths are we talking about here?18:38
derf(and real16_iffft)18:38
crashanddieNha, eBay18:38
derflardman: 1024 or so.18:38
lardmanok, so worthwhile then18:38
derfGah, that's a lot of f's.18:38
derflardman: I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to just break that out, or to move the whole thing to the DSP.18:38
lardmanderf: yep18:39
derfIt should compile and run on a C55x.18:39
lardmanderf: probably easiest to move a little bit at time (/me thinks of Tremor :S )18:39
lardmanderf: no 8bit data accesses?18:39
derfWell, in theory someone has already ported it.18:39
derflardman: I know!18:39
crashanddieX-Fade, ebay, sadly18:40
lardmanwho's ported it?18:40
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derfSome guy JM was working with, not sure...18:40
X-Fadecrashanddie: No emails stored?18:40
crashanddieX-Fade, everything18:40
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lardmancu all tomorrow18:43
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derfHave fun.18:43
lardman|gonegot a meeting first, so we'll see18:43
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crashanddieOk, my n810 lies open in front of me :D18:53
qwerty12Fix it like how nokia would fix it :P18:53
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||cwcrashanddie: what's wrong with it?18:57
crashanddieI was right :)18:57
crashanddieScreen connector got loose18:57
mgedmindropped it once too many?18:59
mgedminso it crashed and died?18:59
crashanddiequite literally, yeah19:00
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GeneralAntillesSo, who is gonna be jumping in on the WLAN driver development?19:01
crashanddieworks :D19:01
crashanddieHahahah :D19:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: fanoush showed some interest atleast19:01
crashanddiesound works too19:02
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, congrats19:02
Stskeepsi don't know enough about wlan development to work on that, so19:02
qwerty12Who's going to release a pre-compiled linux-omap kernel first? :P19:02
crashanddieok, let's see if the camera now works too19:02
crashanddieHahahahahah :D19:02
* qwerty12 can't be arsed to git clone the linux-omap tree, takes too pissing long19:02
crashanddieIT DOES :D19:02
qwerty12Hehe, great! Still going to buy N810W?19:03
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you might be checked out by the time it's in mainline? :D19:03
crashanddieqwerty12, no fucking way19:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: i noticed austin che has started hacking a bit away at BME communication btw19:03
GeneralAntillesTalk about a lot of effort now almost totally invalidated.19:04
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: the DSME stuff or? :P19:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, the DMSE stuff.19:05
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: lol, I'd be peed off :P19:05
qwerty12crashanddie: lol19:05
GeneralAntillesWell, I suppose the goodnews is that he's now well equipped to hack on Nokia's code.19:05
qwerty12Stskeeps: great, hopefully, he produces good results like with the DSME stuff19:05
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crashanddieAnd all it took was a £1 screwdriver set, and a veil19:05
GeneralAntillesMaybe we can get some Nokia to accept some cool patches.19:05
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GeneralAntilless/some //119:08
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KnowledgeAlright meat heads, any new words on the new tablet...19:33
||cwI heard it'll taste like cheddar19:34
jiivcheddar's not bad.19:34
Knowledgesharp I hope...19:34
crashanddiecheddar tastes like plywood19:34
GeneralAntillesKnowledge, were you watching Engadget? :\19:34
KnowledgeMerkts Cheddar is awesome19:34
crashanddieBrits don't know shit about cheddar19:34
||cwreally?!  where do you get your plywood!19:34
KnowledgeNo General19:34
KnowledgeI wasn't19:34
GeneralAntillesKnowledge, well. . . .19:34
johnxKnowledge, then go watch Engadget19:35
crashanddieinfobot is gone?19:35
johnxactually though, I'll spoil it: There will be mild and sharp versions19:35
crashanddieinfobot, hey there !19:35
johnxspeculation on a crossover colby-jack tablet is still just a rumor19:35
Stskeepsi want a tablet that has the metal patterned like a cow. white and black spots.19:36
GeneralAntillessudo rm -rf en-gb19:36
Knowledgenothing on engadget19:36
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, permission denied19:36
GeneralAntillesKnowledge, there are at least 2 articles on Engadget.19:36
GeneralAntillesOne of them was frontpage less than 6 hours ago.19:36
Knowledgethen their search engine blows19:37
johnxKnowledge, yeah, we knew that too :)19:37
||cw"and that use of hair-care products at the Summit was apparently optional."19:37
KnowledgeGood lord!...3g?...19:38
GeneralAntillesPoor Kate19:38
Knowledgewhy not cdma?...19:38
Knowledgeoh wait19:38
||cweven tmoble is goiing 3g now19:38
Knowledgethat's going to be around $70019:38
Knowledgeyou guys ever heard of the "unlimited sim" from Tmo?19:38
KnowledgeI wonder if it's a scam19:39
GeneralAntillesSupposedly Nokia wants to keep the price reasonable.19:39
johnxunlimited = scam19:39
KnowledgeI figured that much johnx....cause craigslist chicago has those things for $30-$35....per month, for unlimited everything19:40
KnowledgeGeneralAntilles: I'm leaning towards $70019:41
GeneralAntillesKnowledge, surely because of the 3G and not because of the OMAP3, though. ;)19:41
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, is there any way we can get the site to keep you logged in for some sort of appreciable period of time?19:41
johnxI wonder what HSPA bands they'll support and whether we'll have different US and EU versions19:41
KnowledgeGeneralAntilles: exactly19:41
GeneralAntillesBleh cellular19:42
GeneralAntillesMakes things way too complicated.19:42
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GeneralAntillesWell, a lot of people should be happy now.19:43
GeneralAntillesmetalayer-crawler is dying.19:43
Knowledgeuh huh, yeah....what's that?19:43
derfWhen can we expect the death knell to be sounded?19:43
johnxderf, as soon as my card finishes indexing19:44
GeneralAntillesTracker is, apparently, replacing it.19:44
derfWhat the gekk is tracker?19:44
GeneralAntillesThing Spotlight19:44
Proteoussame thing, they just changed the name19:45
Proteousto try to coverup the bad PR19:45
derfAs long as I can still disable it.19:45
GeneralAntillesThough I don't have any clue how their indexing actually works.19:45
Knowledgealright, time for a little chat on HF, see what DX countries I could get, and then a hair cut....later people...19:45
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GeneralAntilles"Responds in real time to filesystem changes, automaticaly keeping its metadata database up to date."19:46
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derfThat's horrible.19:47
GeneralAntilles"Designed and built to run well on lower-memory systems with typically 128MB or 256MB memory. Typical RAM usage is 3-9 MB."19:47
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summatusmentiswhy is that horrible?19:47
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crashanddieis it possible to change the USB mode on a 770?20:16
crashanddie(host <-> device)20:16
johnxyes, but you need to supply external 5v20:16
johnxthe mode is changed with a different kernel IIRC20:17
johnxnot a runtime thing20:17
Italodancejohnx ...20:17
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johnxItalodance ...20:18
Italodancetell me what was the name of other tool for file manager?20:18
Italodancei don't remember it20:18
johnxyou mean the text editor? nano?20:19
Italodancei have emelfm220:20
Italodancebut remember there is other tool the same this20:20
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johnxyeah, it's called "file manager"20:20
jiivmaybe pcmanfm or something?20:20
johnxpcmanfm is another option20:21
johnxthanks jiiv :)20:21
Italodancepcmanfm oh yes tnc guys20:21
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jiivnp :)20:23
crashanddiejohnx, cheers20:24
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crashanddieinfobot is dead20:27
* crashanddie strokes infobot20:27
Italodanceguys is there a full page for OSiM Maemo  photos?20:27
qwerty12Damn, and I was looking forward to a good time...20:28
Italodancemaybe ....flickr20:28
johnxItalodance, search flickr for the word "osim"20:29
Italodanceok tnx20:30
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jiivstskeeps: i'm trying out that new installer now. no problems thus far :)20:33
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Stskeepsjiiv: oki, what stage are you at? debootstrap?20:33
johnxStskeeps, I'm most of the way through the install20:34
jiivi haven't been paying much attention, looks like it just installed nit-env-lxde.20:34
johnxno problems so far20:34
Stskeepsthat's good :P20:34
jiivi'm supposed to be working, so i can't watch it like a hawk right now :)20:34
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StskeepsN800 or N810?20:36
Stskeepsin the before this installer there was a problem when running on n810s seemingily.. hoping i've fixed it now20:36
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jiivoh, i'm on an n810 (if that was directed at me)20:44
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* lcuk smiles20:48
* lcuk actually hasnt stopped smiling all weekend20:48
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GAN800Somebody spiked his beer.20:49
solmumahaspare us from the details20:49
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lcukheh GAN800 :)20:51
lcukwhat happened to you this weekend anyway - you decided to sleep the one time you were needed to be awake20:52
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GAN800Had freinds up for the weekend20:52
GAN800went to the football game Saturday.20:53
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lcukahhhh, you will have to come to the next one :)20:54
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lcukdo we have a wall of real picture faces with names, ive seen so many fantastic people this weekend and im trying to explain to the missus who is who20:57
lcukand also trying to work out whos sending me amazing emails :)20:58
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Stskeepsoh, -finally- some people start taking some interest in deblet on 770 :P21:01
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RST38bisarghhh, wired net connection is dead21:06
GeneralAntillesI won!21:08
Stskeepshehe, like the nokia lottery spam the other day to me ;)21:08
RST38bisonly one L though21:08
GeneralAntilles640GB hard drive?21:13
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moontigerdo you guys think that the open sourcing of the n8x0 series is a prelude to them dumping it for the next gen of the platform?21:17
GeneralAntillesErm, open sourcing?21:18
GeneralAntillesThey're opening 2 things.21:18
GeneralAntillesThey don't know whether Fremantle will work on the OMAP2 stuff ye.t21:19
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: there was 4 things on the list though21:19
moontigerit was just a thought21:19
GeneralAntillesdsme, and WLAN21:19
GeneralAntillesWhat else?21:19
Stskeepsmoontiger: in any case that just means it's a good thing to get cracking on reverse engineering stuff and providing opensource replacements21:19
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: some media framework thing (Midas?) and ..21:20
moontigeryes totally ... was just wondering if that was how they could dump the platofrm and not piss everyone off21:20
Stskeepsi'm sure there's plenty of n8x0 developers who could find a way21:20
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, that's for Fremantle.21:21
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Stskeepsmoontiger: but hey, atleast we're resurrecting the 770 these days :>21:22
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moontigergreat *rolls eyes*21:35
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pupnik810what is new for games/emus?21:38
* GeneralAntilles sighs.21:38
GeneralAntillesHey, pupnik810. :)21:38
GeneralAntillesUh, RST38h's got some cool new optimizations coming for VGBA that should up the speed by a significant amount.21:38
pupnik810hopefully ncompatibility improvements too21:39
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: that sounds like an instance of maemo summit post-party :P21:39
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Heh, I experience that bug often. And I agree ;)21:39
pupnik810GeneralAntilles, is that nfrom21:40
pupnik810a post on ITT?21:40
GeneralAntillesI just hate jheather's bugs.21:40
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, feel free to triage it, then.21:41
jiivstskeeps: i just finished the install, but it doesn't seem to have installed bootmenu (or at least it doesn't tell me to push the menu key, and boots straight to maemo). do i need to do anything different?21:41
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: But, but, but .....21:41
Stskeepsjiiv: yeah, you need to install bootmenu :P
Stskeepsjust run the "Install bootmenu" icon and deblet should automatically appear after this install21:45
Stskeeps (it's laying in /etc/bootmenu.d)21:45
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jiivyeah, working on it now :)21:45
jiivdidn't the installer do it before?21:46
Stskeepsno, it just refreshed bootmenu (copy /etc/bootmenu.d contents to initfs)21:46
Stskeepsit doesnt need to do a full reflash so21:46
jiivah, gotcha.21:46
moontigerStskeeps: do you find the n8x0 more useful with say xfce on it? just curious :)21:47
moontigeri mean its way cool to have it working21:47
Stskeepsmoontiger: i use lxde though - i haven't started using it 100% yet personally, there's still some stuff i want to have for myself21:47
moontigerbut is it more useful than the default maemo?21:47
moontigerlxde is nice too ... is that an option for the deblets stuff?21:48
GeneralAntillesDepends on the use-case.21:48
Stskeepsbasically deblet is for giving people the choice to run whatever hell they want :P a nit-env-hildon will appear at some point too prolly21:48
GeneralAntillesMaemo is much more complete solution.21:48
GeneralAntillesMuch better for mobile use at the moment.21:49
Stskeepsfor consumer use, yes21:49
jiivwell, it's maybe a 'much better integrated' solution.21:49
Stskeepsi don't deny that21:49
Stskeepsmaemo is awesome for what it's made for21:49
jiivi think debian is arguably more complete, but maemo's much more polished.21:49
moontigeryah i love that you are doing the stuff ur doing ... its awesome21:49
GeneralAntillesWell, "more useful than default maemo" can't be answered with "yes".21:49
jiivagreed :)21:49
moontigerbut i use my n810 for specific things that are served well by maemo right now21:50
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Stskeepsmoontiger: i'm mainly developing cos it's fun and out of frustration over some problems in maemo21:50
pupnik810hi RST38bis !21:50
moontigerright ... i agree that there doesnt have to be a specific reason for things :)21:50
RST38bismoo, pupnik21:51
moontigerjust learning is enough21:51
moontigerif it makes a useful product too then thats a bonus21:51
* Stskeeps is really just happy if he has a machine with a mp3 player + a2dp, xournal that automatically rsyncs to his work server and exports to onenote and a rss reader21:51
moontigera2dp on lxde?21:52
RST38bisnegative on a2dp...21:52
Stskeeps(that was my wish machine)21:52
moontigeri use gps mapping stuff + fbreader + vids + music + web + email + skype + ssh + vnc21:53
moontigerawesome really21:53
* RST38bis just wants latest xournal21:53
Stskeepsxournal has saved a lot of trees for me21:53
Stskeepsi practically stopped using paper besides postits and books21:54
RST38biswhat do you use books for? =)21:54
moontigerthe latest version crashed on me21:54
Stskeepsi study :/21:54
Stskeepsand yes, i read pdfs on my tablet often21:55
moontigeri actually donated some $$ to the fbreader guys ... i think that app rocks21:55
timelyxGeneralAntilles: re 3735, i actually agree21:55
timelyxi don't think i've ever managed to plug my crying device into the charger between its last cry and when it dies21:56
GeneralAntillestimelyx, I've experienced it giving a warning and lasting for another hour, though.21:56
GeneralAntillesSo my own personal experience has led me to believe that it might not be all that easy to pin down.21:56
* lcuk shakes his fist at timelyx @/21:59
Stskeepsbut in all, my biggest issue is that the tablet isn't a device i can open up, inspect how it works (in software), alter to my user need easily (easy as in documentation for all aspects of tablet use exists, is reachable easily and programmable easily21:59
Stskeepseven though there's probably good reasons for some of them22:00
moontigermostly legal reasons i would imagine22:00
Stskeepsbut then again, i'm a bit of a pervasive/ubiquitous computing person :P22:00
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pupnik810i want eyeglasses display for tablet22:02
pupnik810and a kbd that clips onto belt22:03
jiivi'd like to find an eyeglasses display that didn't cost 3x what the tablet did :/22:03
Stskeepsmm, augmented reality22:03
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RST38biseyeglasses are damn impractical22:07
RST38bisnot that hard to get now but impractical22:07
Stskeepsi'd take a brain implant22:08
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GeneralAntillesjott, what's the word on the bot?22:10
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jottGeneralAntilles: it's being worked on :)22:35
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Stskeepsjiiv: worked?22:35
timelyxlcuk: why?22:35
jiiv... kinda ;)22:35
jiivi'm half looking at it now, but work's interfering. may just be the bootmenu.d .item file.22:35
lcukstressing liqbase :P22:36
Stskeepsjiiv: k22:36
* timelyx frowns22:36
timelyxthat's odd22:36
* timelyx didn't think that word was public22:36
lcukwhich word?22:36
timelyxi couldn't say :)22:36
lcukthen say it privately :)22:37
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jaredu-n810whats up all22:42
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lcukhi, nothings up22:42
lcukeveryone is happy22:42
lcukand productive22:42
jaredu-n810thats rare22:42
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lcukand hungover22:42
jaredu-n810well that explains it22:43
jiivstskeeps: the graphical boot should start pretty quickly after 'pivot root and starting /sbin/init..', right?22:43
jaredu-n810i need some good apps for $81022:44
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jiivmy most-used are openssh-client, vncviewer, pidgin, and maemo-mapper.22:44
jaredu-n810i has tghose o.o22:45
jiivi think infobot died.22:45
jaredu-n810maemo mapper doesnt work though22:45
jiivwhat doesn't it do?22:45
jaredu-n810cant read gps file22:45
GeneralAntillesjaredu-n810, it works fine.22:45
timelyxGeneralAntilles: there are actually a couple of woarnings, not just one22:45
GeneralAntillesYou have to use it correctly.22:45
jaredu-n810doesnt for me :(22:46
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jaredu-n810i tried22:46
jaredu-n810and set the reciever to bluetooth too22:46
jiivis it set to bluetooth or gpsd?22:46
GeneralAntillesBluetooth no MAC22:46
||cwdefine doesn't work...22:46
jaredu-n810i left it for 30 mins and never got a fix22:46
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jaredu-n810its on bt no mac22:46
GeneralAntillesThat's the N810, not Maemo Mapper.22:46
||cwmaemo-mapper has a habit of getting me banned from google maps, then I have to open an image directly and follow some intructions to prove I am human22:47
lcuk||cw i fail those turing tests22:47
jaredu-n810my settings are right22:47
jaredu-n810it just never gets a lock22:47
jaredu-n810i got agps too22:48
||cwbe nice if it had an "insert random delay to act human" feature when downloading an area22:48
aladds_Stskeeps: does deblet generate a new MAC for the USB ethernet thingy on each boot?22:48
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jaredu-n810what to do...22:49
jaredu-n810any other must-haves?22:49
jaredu-n810i got like 3 hours till my next class22:49
jaredu-n810and im bored lol22:49
aladdslearn C :P22:49
* lcuk curses how many batteries my camera goes through22:49
jaredu-n810i got mypaint but its slow :(22:49
jaredu-n810btw anyone got gizmo?22:50
GeneralAntilleslcuk, new camera time.22:50
GeneralAntillesEither that, or pick up a pack or two of those Sanyo eneloops.22:51
lcuki went through 12 AAs before the summit trying to make a video of liqbase - in the end the craptop failed first - thankfully there was a full projector22:51
lcuknow i need to make another video22:51
windstormHI, anyone met problem about ssh before? I upgrate my OS to the newest, install the rootsh and ssh client and server, without any other action, and I can ssh other machines by my N810 but can not use other machine to ssh my N81022:51
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windstormalso get the same result by ping22:52
GeneralAntillesWiFi PSM?22:52
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GeneralAntillesTry initiating a connection somewhere from the N810 then ssh into it?22:52
lcukwindstorm, check router/firewall configuration, you may have an odd setting lingering somewhere which is blocking a specific port?22:52
windstormI can not ssh my N810 also by usb connection22:52
GeneralAntilles"Connection refused"?22:52
windstormno, just no response22:53
windstormI followed exactly the same instruction the document told me to do22:53
windstormNow I can not ping N810 whatever method I use......22:53
lcukok, forget ssh then - if you cannot even ping your machine keep it simple and work out what systems are in the way22:53
lcukwhats the host os you are trying from22:54
windstormyeah, I reflash the system, and the same result22:54
GeneralAntillesSure you have the right IP?22:54
lcukim not talking about your nokia22:54
lcukthats normally fine out of the box i believe for ping22:54
lcukim talking about your windows 98 box22:54
windstormyou mean my linux machine?22:54
lcukoh, you still on 95? :P22:54
* lcuk is yanking your chain22:55
lcukand you have a router inbetween?22:55
windstormno, I mean, the ip address should be right, since I ssh my server machine by N810 and check the ip by "netstat"22:55
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windstormthe router is belong to my uni22:55
lcukmy ubuntu craptop fails at wireless - it works great if it is setup when i boot up, but if i fiddle it wont reconnect22:55
windstormThere is a router between N810 and server, but I don't think it's because of it since I can ssh my N810 from my server22:56
aladdsanyone here know how the deblet usb-ethernet driver works?22:56
GeneralAntilleslcuk, how's the outlook looking for the website this week?22:57
lcukso hang on, your n810 can act as client and server perfectly ok between itself and another server, but from one machine elsewhere it wont connect?22:57
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windstormno, it can not act as server22:58
windstormjust client22:58
lcukGeneralAntilles, it will all go up together with a version of liqbase22:58
lcukin a very few days i need a small rest and gathering of thoughts first (and some time with missus)22:59
zapwindstorm: you can ssh *into* your n810?22:59
windstormbut I installed the server and also client22:59
windstormno zap, I can ssh my server, but I can not ssh my N81023:00
windstormalso ping23:00
zapthats a known feature of n81023:00
zapit will switch to power-saving state quickly23:00
Stskeepsaladds: possibly23:00
Stskeepsaladds: that's a kernel thing though23:00
aladdsStskeeps: it does23:00
zapto avoid that, launch a ping from your server to your n81023:00
aladdsany way to make it static23:00
Stskeepsjiiv: aye23:00
zapwindstorm: and then open some web page23:00
windstormopen web page on N810?23:00
windstormto keep the connection?23:00
zapto power up WiFi on N81023:01
zapthen it won't go down because the ping will keep it up23:01
windstormI will try right now, thanks in advance23:01
zapalso you may want to change the power saving options in wifi settings23:01
zapby default it's in a very aggressive state23:01
windstormby default the wlan idle time is unlimited23:02
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aladdsStskeeps: kernel? oh shame23:02
windstormserch interval is 10 minutes23:02
windstormyou mean this?23:02
windstormthx, I am gonna look at it23:04
Stskeepsjiiv: doesn't show anything?23:04
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korgothio guys23:04
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korgothcan anyone tell me if there is a way to tune the keyboard light on the n81023:05
jaredu-n810i think its all off the ambient ligbht sensor23:07
korgothwell.. im now in a pure dark room23:08
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korgothand yet my kbd light switches off in a while...23:08
jiivstskeeps: when i try with an .item pointing to mmcblk0 it just reboots, when i do it with mmcblk1 it stops at the pivot root. had to pull the battery to reboot.23:08
jiivor...vice versa, actually.23:09
jaredu-n810its power savish23:09
windstormhi zap, it doesn't make sense23:09
windstormalthough I modified the configuration23:10
DotelIf I install the 2007-hacker release on my 770, do I pull from 2007 repositories, or can I also pull from 2006?23:10
Stskeepsjiiv: hmm. can i see the .item?23:10
GeneralAntillesDotel, 200723:11
jiivum...sure, just a sec. let me see if i have ssh on it :)23:11
DotelGeneralAntilles, ok, was wondering, because I was lacking Ncurses lib. only found it on the 2006 library.  Solved my problem.  but made me wonder23:11
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korgothwin 223:14
jiivstskeeps:ITEM_NAME="Deblet on mmcblk1p1"23:15
jiivITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3"23:15
jiivthe other one is the same, :%s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/23:15
Stskeepseh, my installer made that one?23:15
jiivwait, i have 3. let me look at the other :) it says internal, so i figured it was bad.23:16
jiivITEM_NAME="Deblet on Internal-MMC-p1"23:16
jiivITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3"23:16
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Stskeepsyeah, what GA said :P23:16
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Stskeepsjiiv: and you made a fresh ext3 system on it on install?23:17
jiivcfdisked and everything.23:17
Stskeepswell the Internal-MMC one is the one my installer made23:18
Stskeepsas at the time of install, the partition you selected was the internal card :P23:18
jiiv:/ i chose mmcblk1, and it was definitely the right card. 4g.23:20
Stskeepsmaybe there's a bug in fanoush's script for that or something (what i use to figure it out)23:20
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Stskeepsjiiv: you have a machine that's usbnet capable?23:21
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jiivstskeeps: yes, this one is. what should i check?23:21
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Stskeepsjiiv: set ip on the machine and telnet to (see if it connects when it stands at the pivot root thing)23:22
jaredu-n810anyone know where i can get an snes emulator for n810?23:23
zapwindstorm: you can't get to ping your NIT?23:23
windstormI did the modification23:24
windstormto turn off the psm23:24
zapyou know the ip address of your nit?23:24
windstormI use my 810 to ssh my hot machine23:25
zapping from pc to nit times out?23:25
windstormjust no response23:25
zapare you on windows?23:25
zapah ok, then leave ping running23:25
zapand open some web page23:25
zapyou must see the ping going on23:26
windstormI opened the wiki23:27
zapand the ping isn't going?23:27
windstormbut nothing happened23:27
windstormnot going23:27
zapin this case it's your wifi router23:27
zapit's protecting your NIT from connects23:27
windstormLet me see. BTW, if I also can not ssh my 810 by usb connect, what's the most probably reason?23:28
zapno idea. it works fine from me, both wifi and usb23:29
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zapiirc my router has a option to put the wifi clients in a separate private network23:29
summatusmentisI need fremantle23:30
zapin which case a wifi client won't be able to reach any local machine, and vice versa23:30
windstormit should be my case, since the router is belong to university and they manage them23:30
Stskeepssummatusmentis: heh, that's an early need for  something we don't know exactly what is yet ;)23:30
windstormbut it makes no sense when it comes to usb connection23:30
windstormand I can reach my 810 via server machine, which is not connected to wifi23:31
windstormI mean reach my server via 81023:31
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summatusmentisStskeeps: it's gonna have kinetic scrolling, so either liqbase needs to incorporate a browser, or I need fremantle :)23:32
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Stskeepsjiiv: if it fails i'll try it on a n810 at work probably and see if i can see wtf happens :P23:34
jaredu-n810anyone know of a snes emu for n81023:34
jiivstskeeps: i'll keep messing with it. it looks like it's not setting up usb that early ...23:35
Stskeepsjiiv: hmm, bad sign23:35
lcukive wanted a browser for a long time23:35
Stskeepsit's the fourth-most thing it does23:35
zapwindstorm: well, then connect it via usb and try to ping it23:35
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lcuksummatusmentis, ^23:35
summatusmentislcuk: well, then hurry up!23:36
summatusmentisI'd offer to help, but I have no time23:36
lcuki dont know anything like webkit and i dont want to spend time learning to be bogged down23:36
summatusmentiscould you just modify the scrolling in a current browser, and call it good?23:37
lcuki wrote a html parser but ran out of time myself to finish it off and get live web (thats why we had a picture of the webpage at the summit)23:37
lcuki couldnt, i dont know the first thing about that browser or its peculiarities - it expects to click and browse its not just a drop in thing (the kinetic algo is about 3 lines)23:38
windstormit indicates me that "run-parts"/etc/network/if-up.d/00_proxy_set exit with return code 1"23:40
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, tablet-browser-ui is closed for a stupid reason.23:40
windstormwhen I do "ifup usb0"23:40
RST38bistablet-browser-ui is an empty shell.23:41
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summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: do we know what the reason is? or it's just closed, therefore stupid?23:44
GeneralAntillesWell, Nokia hasn't announced it outright23:44
GeneralAntillesbut the same stupid reason the rest of their UI stuff is closed.23:44
Stskeepshow difficult can it be to make a shell around a gecko engine that acts like microb, really?23:45
Stskeepsit can probably be hacked up by gtkmozembed in python in an hour23:45
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GeneralAntillesJust replace tablet-browser-ui with a community version.23:45
GeneralAntillesUse MicroB23:45
GeneralAntillesMicroB is the engine.23:45
Stskeeps.. or microb23:45
GeneralAntillesThere's no "replacing" it. :P Just use it.23:46
windstormAnyone know the problem about ""run-parts"/etc/network/if-up.d/00_proxy_set exit with return code 1" when execute "ifup usb0""23:46
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: hm, that's actually interesting - they beagleboard specific or would work on let's say, tablets?23:56
GeneralAntillesIt'll work on pretty much anything OMAP3 with a DSP.23:56
GeneralAntillesSo, OMAP3420-40 and OMAP3515 and OMAP3530.23:56
Stskeepsarh, so no omap2 :P23:56
GeneralAntillesDifferent DSP23:56
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Stskeepswill keep those files in mind though when i get a beagleboard at work though23:58

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