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| Alystair | Stskeeps: Huh what I'm not good at this :( | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Alystair: there's something like a personal area network thing for the 800/810 atleast, maybe it works for 770 too | 00:00 |
| Alystair | I want to make a custom kiosk app that works over a private BT channel, because I might be too lazy to create GUI in python :P | 00:01 |
| Alystair | I know html/js inside out, heh | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan | 00:01 |
| * Alystair tries it | 00:02 | |
| Stskeeps | os2008 only though | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
| Alystair | FFS. | 00:02 |
| Alystair | realistically all I need this damn 770 to do is connect over BT and use html/js for a point of sale system. I don't need any other magical functionality... could I use 2008HE for this? Is performance really bad? | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | think so - no clue about performance | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | don't have a 770 :P | 00:04 |
| Alystair | ok, other question then. Can the built-in browser be rotated in 2008? | 00:04 |
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| Alystair | Eg. portrait instead of landscape. | 00:04 |
| Alystair | or any other 3rd party. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | in mine it can, but that has a special x server installed for that that i'm not sure 770 does have support for | 00:05 |
| * Stskeeps watches Alystair explode | 00:05 | |
| Alystair | haha | 00:05 |
| Alystair | I won't explode, just being impatient because I know "proper" point of sales systems would be huge :) | 00:06 |
| Alystair | ok, now for the most odd question ever. Do you know of any bluetooth vibrators similar to the ones in normal cellphones? | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i'm sure there's a sex shop selling it | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not kidding.) | 00:07 |
| Alystair | in a restaurant environment I can't have tablets going "ding", there should be silent methods of communication | 00:07 |
| Alystair | argh I didn't mean it that way STS :) | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | and i know, but i'm quite certain theres some techno pervert designing those | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:08 |
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| Alystair | hrm these could work http://www.netpcdirect.co.uk/bluetooth_vibrating_bracelet.php | 00:10 |
| piguet | Hi! How do you edit an existing entry at maemo.org Downloads (e.g. for a new release)? | 00:10 |
| jrayhawk | Linux has native support for the PS2 trance vibrator, which works over USB with some wiring. | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | why BT and not wifi btw? | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like a much simpler solution | 00:10 |
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| Alystair | it mainly comes down to security | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, the connect over BT) | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | use SSL .. | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:11 |
| Alystair | :( | 00:11 |
| Alystair | and battery power? | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | BT isn't a single bit more secure | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | bluetooth is worse at that really | 00:11 |
| jrayhawk | How so? | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | my n800 can stay at least over a day on wifi if it idles a lot | 00:11 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, in that regard. | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: pin code stuff vs highly protected WPA2 networks? :P | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | with that and ssl, it's hard to get into | 00:12 |
| Alystair | hrm | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | also bt distance is problematic | 00:12 |
| jrayhawk | WPA2, BT, and SSL all use the same key mechanisms. | 00:12 |
| Alystair | that is an advantage actually | 00:12 |
| jrayhawk | Well, SSL *can* use the same key mechanisms... | 00:13 |
| Alystair | why would you want the connection to work outside the pub? :) | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | you can turn down transmitter power on wifi aps you know | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:13 |
| jrayhawk | SSL's is actually more flexible, but not particularly different from a security standpoint, just an administration one. | 00:13 |
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| Alystair | I like the idea of it working over BT because it's really unheard of and the chances of someone messing it up with their laptop is less likely | 00:14 |
| Alystair | WEP can be broken easily, and there any many sniffing apps out there for wifi already... | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | Alystair: bluetooth dongles sending out noise? has happened :P | 00:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps is right. BT isn't 'more secure' than wifi | 00:14 |
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| lbt | both can be attacked physically using transmitters | 00:15 |
| Alystair | but it... it's more geeky, think of the cred D: | 00:16 |
| lbt | thing is, you'd probably have to do more yourself to make BT as secure as wifi - and judging by your questions here you'd fail (no offence) | 00:16 |
| jrayhawk | How's that? | 00:16 |
| Alystair | none taken | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/packages.txt <- and that was what my weekend went with | 00:20 |
| Alystair | so is there any trick that I can do on the 770 to rotate the browser into portrait? | 00:21 |
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| jrayhawk | Not easily. There are means of doing so with xrandr, but hildon definitely won't like it and the xserver | 00:24 |
| jrayhawk | probably won't | 00:24 |
| jrayhawk | argh there is a cockatiel pressing enter for me | 00:24 |
| jrayhawk | screw you, cockatiel | 00:24 |
| Alystair | A parrot? | 00:24 |
| jrayhawk | yes i am babysitting it and it likes my keyboard | 00:25 |
| piguet | Anybody here has submitted an app to maemo.org Downloads? | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | so you'd need your own xserver and window manager | 00:25 |
| Alystair | ok | 00:26 |
| jrayhawk | it would probably be pretty trivial if you were using deblet | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | (which isn't out for 770 just yet) | 00:26 |
| jrayhawk | oh | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | but in some months i hope | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | the ground work is there already | 00:27 |
| Alystair | well my requirements should be pretty easy. Kiosk style lock down, nice web browser in reverse portrait, wireless connectivity. | 00:27 |
| Alystair | reverse portrait meaning physical buttons at the bottom :) | 00:27 |
| rm_you | doable on an N8x0 >_> | 00:28 |
| jrayhawk | You can use a debian chroot system and xephyr | 00:28 |
| Alystair | rm_you: yeah except I don't want to shell out $200+ per device when a single restaurant requires at least 3 tablets that can be made "dumb resistant" | 00:28 |
| Alystair | the 770 is perfect :P | 00:29 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:29 |
| Alystair | Does nokia still produce them? | 00:29 |
| rm_you | out of curiosity | 00:29 |
| Alystair | no. | 00:29 |
| rm_you | i know you can rotate widgets... could you make a program with a rotated browser widget? >_> | 00:29 |
| Alystair | rotate widgets? | 00:30 |
| rm_you | like buttons, text, etc | 00:30 |
| Alystair | FBreader can be rotated! | 00:30 |
| rm_you | any GTK widget can be rotated IIRC | 00:30 |
| rm_you | fairly easily | 00:30 |
| rm_you | what about a gtk webkit widget? | 00:30 |
| rm_you | or whatever the GTK web component is called | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | Alystair: i'd say gtkmozembed + debian chroot + xephyr could to the trick maybe .. or a webkit widget | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | sleep time | 00:30 |
| Alystair | thanks for the help, have a good one | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, are you sure they can be rotated? | 00:31 |
| rm_you | fairly | 00:31 |
| rm_you | we do it in ABL | 00:31 |
| jott | we rotate text not the widget :) | 00:31 |
| rm_you | well, not a web widget | 00:31 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:31 |
| housetier | do these devices have a video out signal? | 00:31 |
| rm_you | but, a web widget is just a widget | 00:31 |
| * lcuk can rotate text | 00:31 | |
| rm_you | ... | 00:32 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i have just had a nightmare evening :) | 00:32 |
| rm_you | does it only apply to text? | 00:32 |
| jott | well abl uses pango to rotate the text. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | rm_you, more specifically, just a specific caption on specific controls i would expect | 00:32 |
| jott | housetier: you wish :( - no. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | unless there was some lower level magic goin on | 00:32 |
| housetier | jott, ok we'll improvise using the drill stand then | 00:33 |
| housetier | now I only need my crew here on the space station, and a cheap print shop for t-shirts | 00:33 |
| lcuk | can i enlist half your crew to learn my software and expand it with the nits i need | 00:34 |
| lcuk | bits | 00:34 |
| * lcuk has not a lot of coding time left and a lot of things to do | 00:34 | |
| housetier | if I get half of your crew as new members we could strike a deal | 00:34 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | i could spare one of the kids | 00:35 |
| housetier | hehehe | 00:35 |
| lcuk | do you want the older more gobby one, or the younger one who wees a lot? | 00:35 |
| housetier | and my crew is small and doesn't necessarily know how to hack | 00:35 |
| housetier | whats "gobby"? | 00:36 |
| housetier | can't find it at dict.cc | 00:36 |
| lcuk | answers back, thinks hes always right.. | 00:36 |
| lcuk | has to have the final word | 00:36 |
| lcuk | infact, hes just like his mum | 00:36 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:36 |
| housetier | ah no that wouldn't work out, I like to have the final word myself | 00:37 |
| housetier | always. | 00:37 |
| lcuk | no you don't | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | at least my grid view is working again now | 00:38 |
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| RST38h | ok, I am abandoning the idea of using hw blitting in windowed mode | 00:42 |
| RST38h | too screwy | 00:42 |
| jott | fullscreen mode is better for gaming anyway :) | 00:43 |
| Alystair | I wonder if there is a way to pair a macbook with the 770 and use it as an external keyboard? :P | 00:45 |
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| Alystair | (for the 770) | 00:45 |
| RST38h | but if anyone can tell me how to get the absolute position of the client window area, I am willing to listen | 00:45 |
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| jott | RST38h: XGetWindowProperty? | 00:49 |
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| jott | or XGetGeometry? | 00:52 |
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| RST38h | jott: nah | 00:59 |
| jott | mh: ( | 00:59 |
| RST38h | it is freaking GTK. it works differently | 00:59 |
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| Alystair | haha maybe I could install Synergy on the 770? | 01:00 |
| jott | RST38h: aah in gtk. gdk_window_get_origin ? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | heh, i hadnt thought of that, ive just cleaned my 810 with a soft cloth and a small amount of wd40 :) i even cleaned my stylustip with the same wd40 cloth (really not loads) and it glides along now | 01:03 |
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| RST38h | jott: it is more complicated | 01:16 |
| RST38h | jott: looks like I am getting position of the left upper corner - the title | 01:16 |
| RST38h | anyways, it is 2:17am, sleep time | 01:16 |
| Luria | is there an maemo email client with gpg/pgp key management? | 01:17 |
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| acydlord | reconnect | 01:23 |
| acydlord | gotta love when a window pops up while typing | 01:23 |
| lcuk | acydlord, my IDE kept trying to pop up and tell me about updates - it thought it was clever and would popup when it didnt have focus - but the bastard made me clicky anyway | 01:25 |
| lcuk | i hate blind dialogs | 01:25 |
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| acydlord | indeed | 01:29 |
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| * brontide need to not procrastinate so much | 01:30 | |
| acydlord | i find it odd that microsoft webcams are more compatible with linux than logitech webcams | 01:32 |
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| brontide | they do make a nice mouse as well | 01:59 |
| Mek | anyone know if there is a repository that has hildon-initscripts 1.16-1? | 02:01 |
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| Mek | bah, (not surprisingly) the current maemo qt packages don't seem to include the mysql sql plugin :) | 02:07 |
| lcuk | mek, but mysql is available for maemo | 02:10 |
| lcuk | i think | 02:10 |
| Mek | lcuk: is it, where? | 02:10 |
| Mek | for now I built my own mysql packages... | 02:11 |
| lcuk | hang on though, got a more serious problem | 02:11 |
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| lcuk | i just shutdown my machine (long press on power) then restarted and its telling me it cant do stuff cos of low memory | 02:11 |
| lcuk | it did not shutdown | 02:11 |
| lcuk | \@/ gah why is there no poweroff for this device | 02:11 |
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| Mek | pull the battery? :P | 02:12 |
| lcuk | thats what i normally do, but i try to trust when people tell me it shuts everything off | 02:12 |
| lcuk | the back is flimsy enough that you can bend it when pushing back into place | 02:13 |
| derf | lcuk: Unplug it and _then_ shut it down. | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | but thats not even fully off from what i can gather | 02:13 |
| derf | It actually powers down as long as it's not on AC power. | 02:13 |
| lcuk | ill try that next time then, i did forget about it being on charge | 02:14 |
| derf | lcuk: Looked at any of the QR code stuff I checked in yet? | 02:15 |
| lcuk | no im mad busy with liqbase | 02:15 |
| lcuk | and all the other family stuff that happens | 02:16 |
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| Mek | hmm... squid@maemo.org is giving me an error that it can't reach 127.0.0.1 when I try to get to some page :) | 02:16 |
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| m-c- | Is there a program to record on the NIT in vorbis? | 02:52 |
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| derf | There's gstreamer... not sure if there's a dedicated program for it. | 02:55 |
| derf | Though I think latest ogg support is decode-only. | 02:56 |
| brontide | lcuk: You in Berlin this week? | 02:57 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:57 |
| brontide | Will be nice to put real face on people | 02:57 |
| lcuk | yeah it always is :) | 02:58 |
| brontide | You will get done with liqbase in time for the 3d hardware to appear | 02:59 |
| brontide | ;-) | 03:00 |
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| lcuk | no hassle, the graphics dont concern me any longer, i think theres enough grunt in this existing device to do what i need | 03:00 |
| lcuk | obviously having more will be good, and can be used to great effect, but my time with this device has been extremely useful so far: ive learnt all about c again, ive grasped enough of linux to do things and im learning about multi platform code | 03:01 |
| lcuk | all pluses :) | 03:01 |
| brontide | yes, one of the reason I've been doing my stuff in python is that it allows me to produce without going insane with SB and the like | 03:02 |
| brontide | ;-) | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i dont use sb :) | 03:02 |
| brontide | straight cross compile? | 03:02 |
| lcuk | native compilation on device | 03:02 |
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| brontide | ahhh... SD boot with the dev repos? | 03:03 |
| lcuk | no, standard plus required packages and an sd formatted to ext somethin or other | 03:03 |
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| crashanddie | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1221436679198.jpg | 03:04 |
| brontide | I'm hoping to catch the QEMU Maemo discussion so I might setup something like that without mucking up my n810 too much | 03:04 |
| lcuk | i would love to have an arm desktop | 03:05 |
| * brontide doesn't have to think that hard to figure out which side crashanddie is on | 03:06 | |
| Mek | I guess the beagle-board is the closest to an arm desktop currently available? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | yer mek it is | 03:06 |
| brontide | at $150 it's a real steal for the hardware hacker | 03:06 |
| lcuk | but its not really got the oob experience | 03:06 |
| lcuk | i dont want to hack it | 03:06 |
| lcuk | i just want to use it | 03:06 |
| brontide | picky picky picky | 03:06 |
| brontide | There were photos floating around with maemo on beagle board | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | the beagle board lacks two things: serious connectivity (networking, bluetooth, whatever), and serious connectivity (I2C, RS232, etc) | 03:07 |
| lcuk | im not picky, just got more important things to do that i would prefer someone else to do | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | you want someone else to take care of your important stuff? | 03:08 |
| lcuk | prefer to pay someone | 03:08 |
| * lcuk is dropping words now | 03:08 | |
| lcuk | hmm | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | heh :P | 03:08 |
| lcuk | i think im a bit overtired | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, Eli arriving tomorrow \o/ | 03:08 |
| brontide | sleep is good... sometime I'll get around to it | 03:08 |
| lcuk | eli as in curvy and single? | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, Eli as the girl you saw a picture of | 03:09 |
| lcuk | exactly | 03:09 |
| m-c- | Is there a NIT conference happening soon? | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | single, so and so... We'll see about that after the 2nd bottle :D | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | m-c-, next week, lol | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, do you believe in God? | 03:10 |
| * m-c- sees topic. | 03:10 | |
| m-c- | Would be great if someone made their notes online | 03:11 |
| lcuk | ive not even made my notes offline | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, is that going to happen? | 03:11 |
| lcuk | infact, ive not even made my program offline | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 03:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, believing in god? | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | haven't got time to finish what you wanted to finish then, I gather? | 03:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ive been a bit delayed :) | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, aww | 03:11 |
| lcuk | its ok, i have plenty and can open plenty more up that ive sidelined for now | 03:12 |
| m-c- | :) | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, is streaming to the server working? | 03:12 |
| m-c- | Here's a topic for discussion next week ---> Ogg Support | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | oh for fuck's sake | 03:13 |
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| m-c- | crashanddie, You got something against that? | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | Announcement to everyone: Please allow the OGG support to die graciously and without pain. You're not allowed to be raised from the dead 200 times unless you're called Michael Jackson | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | OGG support will come when it will come. EOL | 03:14 |
| baaba | i thought ogg support was stillborn | 03:15 |
| MakeGho | what's wrong with ogg support? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | but moaning about OGG is one of the great pasttimes of linux enthusiasts | 03:15 |
| baaba | or coming around the same time as duke nukem forever | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, You know what I like so much about Linux fundamentalists/fanboys? | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, they always miss the point. The miss every single time. | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, They could stick a shotgun up my arse and pull the trigger, they'd still miss. | 03:16 |
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| lcuk | i think that says more about your goatse'esq arse than their aim | 03:16 |
| * Mek hopes for crashanddie nobody brings his/her shotgun to the summit to test that theory :P | 03:17 | |
| crashanddie | Mek, won't be at the Summit | 03:17 |
| Mek | :( | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | you said it buddy | 03:17 |
| m-c- | What is it that the fanboys miss? | 03:17 |
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| crashanddie | . | 03:18 |
| lcuk | thats a small target | 03:18 |
| * lcuk zooms in | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | o | 03:18 |
| * lcuk gets closer | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | O | 03:18 |
| MakeGho | is that the object that's being pointed to with the shotgun? | 03:19 |
| lcuk | ( keep out! ) | 03:19 |
| m-c- | I am dying to know - each time I select a Ogg file in the file manager and have to scroll down three screens of programs to select Media Player - Ogg | 03:19 |
| lcuk | m-c-, you can do something most other linux folks do at some point in life: make your own media player. call it "a****" so it comes at the top of the list | 03:19 |
| lcuk | you have your niche :) | 03:19 |
| baaba | #/bin/sh \ gst-launch playbin url="${1}" | 03:21 |
| baaba | :Pp | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, can't zoom in anymore? | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | _ | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | / \ | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | | | | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | \ _ / | 03:21 |
| lcuk | ffs, i'm not google earth you know | 03:21 |
| lcuk | haha | 03:21 |
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| m-c- | Hey, you know what, I bought the nokia internet tablet to play Ogg Vorbis podcasts. | 03:23 |
| MakeGho | I wish there was a working latex compiler :( | 03:23 |
| lcuk | MakeGho, cant you just build one? | 03:23 |
| mikkov_ | m-c: have you installed mogg? | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, hit the zoom button again | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | *clickety click* | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | We are sorry, but we don't | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | have imagery at this zoom | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | level for this region. | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | Try zooming out for a | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | broader look. | 03:25 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:25 |
| MakeGho | lcuk: hmm, I don't have a development environment set up and I doubt I would succeed in compiling the latex compiler | 03:25 |
| m-c- | Yes, and the integration is terrible - and it should be by default | 03:25 |
| lcuk | MakeGho, mention it more often then - post something on itT, someone might get a bit of inclination to do it if you start the ball rolling | 03:25 |
| lcuk | i gather you have searched google for a maemo package already | 03:26 |
| MakeGho | yup, I've been searching. There's one for N800 but I think it's been reported not to work on N810 | 03:26 |
| MakeGho | maybe it's some older os version it wants? I don't know much about these | 03:26 |
| lcuk | post something on itT and give links to the one you have found and if someone is nice they might compile it up and push it into extras | 03:27 |
| m-c- | With Firefox coming out with the next version supporting Ogg/Vorbis and Ogg/Theora -- seems like an important issue to discuss next week. | 03:27 |
| lcuk | m-c-, we will have to wait and see what next week brings | 03:28 |
| lcuk | im hoping to see lots of new stuff not grumble about what we dont have | 03:28 |
| MakeGho | whoa, I guess I just found something that didn't grab my attention earlier. I'll have to try this one :) | 03:29 |
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| lcuk | on error resume bacon | 03:29 |
| brontide | http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295700120/ | 03:29 |
| lcuk | back tomorrow or something | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to have Java on my NIT | 03:29 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, have a good evening dude | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | public void foo() throws (Bacon) | 03:30 |
| lcuk | WOW brontide | 03:30 |
| lcuk | i dont let coffee get anywhere near my NIT | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, 'night bro, good night | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | don't ask me why I said night 2 times | 03:31 |
| brontide | coffee? | 03:31 |
| lcuk | yer, java | 03:31 |
| lcuk | lol crash | 03:31 |
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| brontide | ahh, I woudn't mind more language binding, but let's get the C/C++ ones cleaned up and documented first | 03:32 |
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| brontide | Brrrr... looks like a cold week for me | 03:40 |
| brontide | Berlin is listing highs in the low 60F this week | 03:41 |
| smackpotato | whats the latest with the tablet | 03:41 |
| brontide | it's small | 03:42 |
| smackpotato | and fast | 03:42 |
| brontide | and then came the dinosaurs | 03:42 |
| smackpotato | good tablets arnt deprndent on size | 03:42 |
| smackpotato | anyone travel alot with it | 03:44 |
| smackpotato | mine hasnt left my recroom | 03:44 |
| brontide | Mine is going to germany on Tuesday | 03:45 |
| brontide | Travels several miles a day in my pocket walking to and from work | 03:45 |
| smackpotato | cool | 03:45 |
| smackpotato | do nyou track your path with the gps | 03:46 |
| brontide | sometimes | 03:46 |
| lcuk | can i pre-download maps for germany now? | 03:46 |
| lcuk | standard map tool | 03:46 |
| lcuk | i was left out in the middle of the ocean last time i left the country | 03:47 |
| brontide | Yep, germany/alps is ~300mb | 03:47 |
| lcuk | i can ummm remap the folder location to somewhere on mmc1 cant i | 03:47 |
| brontide | neat import inspect;print inspect.getsource(function)... that will come in handy for the demo | 03:48 |
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| brontide | My only concern is getting it back into the country... with TSA you never know | 03:50 |
| tank-man | you should complain to your airline :) | 03:51 |
| brontide | Delta... ha, I'll be lucky I don't get stuck in standing room only for the 9hr flight | 03:52 |
| smackpotato | ive got to get a pasport ive been putting off filling out the forms | 03:53 |
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| else58 | on os2008.8-updates, I can manually get wpa_supplicant to work if i kill the dbus (-u) version and quickly start it manually with the correct options | 04:50 |
| else58 | ooops, wrong window | 04:50 |
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| Proteous | really? | 04:52 |
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| lopz | night | 05:16 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey somehow I moved my icons to the right side of my screen how do i get them back | 05:42 |
| t_s_o | err, what icons? | 05:45 |
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| AFBN810 | internet and all off them | 05:46 |
| t_s_o | ah the sidebar thats normally on the left side? | 05:46 |
| AFBN810 | yeah | 05:47 |
| t_s_o | not really sure. i think there may be a file somewhere... | 05:47 |
| AFBN810 | wonder if it has something to do with rotate | 05:48 |
| t_s_o | could be | 05:48 |
| t_s_o | i have stayed well away from that ;) | 05:48 |
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| brontide | t_s_o: you didn't install the rotate enabled xserver, basically you need to rotate back... worst case hold down the power button and when you start it up again you will be notmal | 05:52 |
| t_s_o | brontide: not my problem, but i guess AFBN810 is happy for the answer ;) | 05:53 |
| * brontide need that sleep people keeps talking about | 05:53 | |
| t_s_o | heh, im on usa time or something. or maybe i should say internet time? | 05:54 |
| t_s_o | i keep the same hours as a owl... | 05:55 |
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| * brontide is on est, but fatherhood has slowed my night owl activities | 06:01 | |
| t_s_o | heh, more like grab sleep while possible? ;) | 06:04 |
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| t_s_o | ? | 06:37 |
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| robink | t_s_o: Using metacrawler instead of lightmediascanner-ogg to scan my OGG files. | 06:41 |
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| robink | t_s_o: It often runs out of memory. | 06:45 |
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| robink | oops meant metalayer-crawler | 07:10 |
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| RST38h | Anybody encountered a situation where links found in GMail emails do not open from gmail? They "load" forever with white screen | 07:49 |
| RST38h | (it is FireFox on Windows or Linux BTW] | 07:49 |
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| Jaredu | hey can someone give me the link to the base theme/psd file with images so i can start making n810 themes? | 08:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, both I2C and RS232 are available on the Beagle. . . . | 08:15 |
| Jaredu | anyone know? :( | 08:15 |
| Jaredu | someone was nice enough to give me the link the other day.. | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bundled with kontorri's theme maker, I think. | 08:16 |
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| robink | Argh, metadata-crawler keeps dying and respawning. | 08:18 |
| Jaredu | hey can someone give me the link to the base theme/psd file with images so i can start making n810 themes? | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, if they gave it to you yesterday, why don't you just check the logs? | 08:19 |
| robink | Will it ever give up? | 08:19 |
| Jaredu | i dont have logs | 08:19 |
| Jaredu | :( | 08:19 |
| Jaredu | wasnt here | 08:19 |
| Jaredu | pidgin died | 08:19 |
| Alystair | if I'm making a point of sale application for the 770, is there any reason I should get a 2nd one during development? | 08:21 |
| Alystair | I could just fake one by sending commands from the PC, right? | 08:21 |
| Jaredu | do g++ or emacs work on the n810? | 08:23 |
| robink | Jaredu: Yes. | 08:25 |
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| Jaredu | the zaurus arm platform version of bsd could easilyish be ported to n810 | 08:28 |
| Jaredu | because n810 runs on the arm architecture | 08:28 |
| chirpsalot | no | 08:28 |
| chirpsalot | n810 is a newer chip | 08:28 |
| Jaredu | same architecture though | 08:29 |
| chirpsalot | hmm | 08:29 |
| chirpsalot | I doubt it'd work still | 08:29 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xscale is armv5 | 08:30 |
| qnr-lt | that reminds me, are there any Atari 8-bit or Atari ST emulators ported to the N800? | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP2420 is ARM11, which is armv6 | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | armv5's gonna be slower | 08:31 |
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| * qnr-lt gets off is posterior and searches | 08:32 | |
| qnr-lt | s/is/his/ | 08:32 |
| Jaredu | lol | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pupnik.de/software.html | 08:32 |
| Jaredu | not bad | 08:33 |
| RST38h | GA: The actual performance is usually determined by SDRAM speed/efficiency | 08:33 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:33 |
| qnr-lt | hmm, well they have a Commodore and Apple, so I guess I might be able to port an Atari 8-bit | 08:34 |
| qnr-lt | thank you GeneralAntilles | 08:34 |
| RST38h | OMAP is already much faster than SDRAM it has to access | 08:34 |
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| Jaredu | would there be a way to increase capacity of the flash ram? | 08:34 |
| Jaredu | i know it can do like 256 | 08:34 |
| Jaredu | but would there be a way to bump it to a gig? | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NAND? | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 08:35 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 08:35 |
| rm_you | Was ist die wetter in Berlin? | 08:35 |
| Jaredu | also, is there something similar to gimp for n810? ;) | 08:35 |
| summatusmentis | you can get the gimp directly if you install debian | 08:35 |
| Jaredu | it would be incredibly slow from what i see though... but it'd work? | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Jaredu: no gimp yet | 08:36 |
| chirpsalot | bummer | 08:36 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:36 |
| RST38h | there is MyPaint but it is a pain to use | 08:36 |
| StsN800 | Jaredu, try easy debian | 08:36 |
| RST38h | would be nice to have something even remotely as good as gimp though | 08:36 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:36 |
| Jaredu | anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | MyPaint has potential | 08:37 |
| Jaredu | StsN800: easy debian? | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs some radical interface redesign, though. | 08:37 |
| chirpsalot | actually RST38h, ansi C works on the n810 correct? | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Jaredu, we've all seen that. | 08:37 |
| Jaredu | mmk :P | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | chirpsalot, it's Linux. | 08:37 |
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| Alystair | uh how do I test flash on the 770 | 08:37 |
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| Alystair | (Adobe Flash, not firmware stuff) | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "test"? | 08:38 |
| StsN800 | Jaredu, youtube for debian n810 methinks | 08:38 |
| chirpsalot | GeneralAntilles which means anyone can screw it up anyway they want -.-, look at the mylo :), no C | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the platform is in C. | 08:38 |
| chirpsalot | ok | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | i know theres mytube fordebian | 08:39 |
| chirpsalot | so in theory I could write a painting prog for it with C? | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | im in the process of watching every youtube video there is about n810 ;) | 08:39 |
| Alystair | eg. the web browser can't load flash? | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, look, there's a C program right there! https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | i have a mylo | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | lol | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | mylo 2 rather | 08:39 |
| Alystair | is there a dedicated flash player app I can use? | 08:39 |
| Jaredu | it's nice but im getting an n810 too since its open and more apps | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, mplayer for flvs | 08:40 |
| Jaredu | <3 the keyboard though so far... is the keyboard on the n810 easy to type on? | 08:40 |
| Jaredu | i can do about 50-70wpm on mylo if thats any reference | 08:40 |
| Alystair | no, not for flvs | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | chirpsalot, read: http://maemo.org/development/ | 08:40 |
| StsN800 | Alystair, try gtkmozembed stuff | 08:40 |
| StsN800 | closest thing | 08:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | chirpsalot, out of interest, the platform being GTK, what in the world else would you use? | 08:41 |
| chirpsalot | GeneralAntilles rofl python :P | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The next question, why do you think you _wouldn't_ be able to use C? | 08:42 |
| chirpsalot | but I mean GeneralAntilles, just because it's linux, doesn't mean it has everything any other linux does, and quite frankly the fact that the mylo won't do custom C stuff scares me :P | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mylo is a closed piece of crap | 08:43 |
| chirpsalot | I have mylo stereotypes? :) | 08:43 |
| * Jaredu pets his mylo 2 consolingly. | 08:43 | |
| * Jaredu refreshes his buy.com n810 order page. | 08:43 | |
| chirpsalot | Jaredu, you're selling it -.- XD | 08:43 |
| Jaredu | i might | 08:43 |
| Jaredu | mylo still has better camera | 08:43 |
| Jaredu | lol | 08:43 |
| chirpsalot | true | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can run whatever the hell you want on Maemo. | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a closed system. | 08:43 |
| chirpsalot | cool | 08:44 |
| chirpsalot | figured | 08:44 |
| chirpsalot | just wasn't sure of the capabilities | 08:44 |
| Alystair | AHA nice got VNC working | 08:44 |
| Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: are there any specific guidelines/restrictions on porting apps for the tablet? | 08:44 |
| Jaredu | Alystair: congrats | 08:44 |
| Jaredu | i think i like mypaint o.O | 08:44 |
| Jaredu | the interface.. appeals to me | 08:44 |
| Jaredu | might work nice for storyboard class | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, make them fit within the resolution, storage, RAM and CPU limitation of a mobile device? | 08:45 |
| * Jaredu now has an excuse for his teacher to buy a bluetooth printer | 08:45 | |
| Jaredu | GeneralAntilles: i was kinda referring to it being a touch based device rather than mouse input with a slightly different keyboard mapping and such | 08:45 |
| Jaredu | as far as porting existing apps goes that is | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://test.maemo.org/community/UI_Style_Guide_Summary_2.0.pdf | 08:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if http://test.maemo.org/ should really still be up. | 08:47 | |
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| Alystair | is there a "ctrl alt del" equivilant for this tablet, if remotely connected? | 08:47 |
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| Jaredu | eep big pdf file lol | 08:47 |
| Alystair | to force quit the currently active program? | 08:47 |
| robink | Alystair: pkill? | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | killall <application name> | 08:48 |
| Alystair | dang why can't I type via VNC | 08:49 |
| Jaredu | one of the main reason im switching from mylo to n810 is the damned "out of memory error" | 08:49 |
| Alystair | jeeze you don't really get the idea of the resolution on this screen until you VNC in | 08:51 |
| Jaredu | how so | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 225dpi | 08:51 |
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| Jaredu | heh | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the Mylo 2 has a scarily higher dpi | 08:51 |
| Jaredu | barely | 08:51 |
| Jaredu | but it makes photos nice | 08:51 |
| Jaredu | :P | 08:51 |
| Jaredu | 65k color is meh in comparison to comp though in some respects | 08:52 |
| Jaredu | im assuming it looks very nice when vnc | 08:52 |
| Jaredu | 'ed in? | 08:52 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:53 |
| Jaredu | where is that dumb psd file O_O | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I told you, check konttori's theme maker | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | it should be in that package. . . . | 08:55 |
| Jaredu | ah | 08:55 |
| Jaredu | didnt see it | 08:55 |
| Alystair | Jaredu: photoshop for 770 ;) | 08:55 |
| Jaredu | ehhh???!!!!! | 08:56 |
| Alystair | via Xen emulator | 08:56 |
| Alystair | in windows vista. | 08:56 |
| Alystair | this is going to take a while. | 08:56 |
| Jaredu | o.O | 08:56 |
| Alystair | jk :P | 08:56 |
| * Jaredu wonders if he can ssh and run 3ds max | 08:56 | |
| Jaredu | hmm | 08:57 |
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| Jaredu | i think im going to enjoy making themes :D | 08:57 |
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| Alystair | man this community is so messy :( | 09:01 |
| Jaredu | heh | 09:01 |
| Alystair | there's no "one place" for everything, or a clean global repo | 09:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, you're using a 770. | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's old and unsupported. | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | this is true | 09:02 |
| Alystair | blah. | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | :P | 09:02 |
| Alystair | but it's cheap :( | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | true | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The point is, don't extrapolate things about the community as it is now from a 770 perspective. | 09:02 |
| Alystair | that's the ONLY reason I want to use it, because I can pick these things up for $75-100 a piece | 09:02 |
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| Alystair | and use them as dumb terminals for this POS system I'm making ;/ | 09:03 |
| Jaredu | heh | 09:03 |
| Jaredu | a few things about this theme template are bugging me.. | 09:04 |
| Jaredu | especially the non-full layout functionality | 09:04 |
| Jaredu | like everything is rounded on the corners | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaredu: it's so children can't hurt themselves on the screen objects. | 09:05 |
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| Jaredu | >..< | 09:05 |
| * Jaredu has a sword and weapons collection. | 09:05 | |
| Jaredu | i like sharp objects.. | 09:06 |
| * Jaredu isn't kidding. | 09:06 | |
| Alystair | I miss old school perspective pixel art :) | 09:06 |
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| Jaredu | i will have to begin on my theme once i get the n810 | 09:09 |
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| Jaredu | i have to find where all these buttons go and their limitations | 09:09 |
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| Alystair | Does nokia still produce the 770 or is it all old stock online? | 09:17 |
| Jaredu | old stock i believe | 09:18 |
| Alystair | hrm | 09:18 |
| Alystair | Bad for my business model then... heh | 09:18 |
| johnx | especially since they have a habit of going WSOD... | 09:18 |
| Alystair | unless you could tell me of a different tablet that has wireless and costs only $100 a pop :P | 09:18 |
| Jaredu | n800 costs only like 130$/pop on ebay | 09:19 |
| johnx | only $100 a pop...that makes it somewhat difficult | 09:19 |
| Alystair | What. No it doesn't. | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | NO tablet costs 100$/pop and has all those features lol | 09:19 |
| Alystair | Jaredu: I'd love to see where you got that number :) | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | from ebay | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | :) | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | was bidding | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | lol | 09:20 |
| Alystair | lol | 09:20 |
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| Jaredu | hmm | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | one going for about 140$ right now | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | still 10h left | 09:21 |
| Alystair | I don't see it. | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-GREAT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ260284959435QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260284959435&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | was a couple days ago though | 09:21 |
| rm_you | johnx: sup :) | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | i tend to find nice deals :P | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | for example | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | i got my samsung blast phone for 70$ | 09:22 |
| johnx | hey rm_you :D | 09:22 |
| Jaredu | it retails in my store for 235 :P | 09:22 |
| rm_you | flying out at noon tomorrow >_< | 09:22 |
| rm_you | technically today, I guess | 09:22 |
| johnx | rm_you, madness :D | 09:22 |
| johnx | that should be quite awesome | 09:22 |
| rm_you | 12-14 hours of airplane >_< | 09:22 |
| Alystair | blah | 09:22 |
| Alystair | if I get my stuff working on a 770 it would fly on a 800 :) | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just 12-14? :P | 09:23 |
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| johnx | guh...just got done with a 9+ hour trip by night bus | 09:24 |
| Alystair | do the 800/810 have a vibration function? | 09:24 |
| Jaredu | dont think so | 09:24 |
| johnx | nope | 09:24 |
| Alystair | thought so, not a big deal | 09:24 |
| Jaredu | there is a notification led on the ambient light sensor for stuff | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planet's not updating. . . . | 09:25 |
| Alystair | hrm I should really get SSH working so I can start dissecting this mofo | 09:25 |
| johnx | they make usb powered things that ... uhm ... vibrate | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's to get working? | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just install OpenSSH | 09:25 |
| Alystair | says connection refused when I try to port in | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you install OpenSSH server? | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you check to see if sshd is running? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/packages.txt | 09:27 |
| Alystair | the better question is if I accidently uninstalled it earlier :) | 09:27 |
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| Alystair | it's installed, just not running. | 09:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that's a fair number ... | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, moving to a apt-based distribution with a minimal set built on the tablet | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | (the non-free parts) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | made real debian packages with dpkg-buildpackage'able etc :P | 09:29 |
| Alystair | I'm using Ed's metapackage with client/server | 09:30 |
| Alystair | how do I start the daemon, I'm such a *nix newbie | 09:30 |
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| johnx | Alystair, /etc/init.d/ssh start | 09:32 |
| johnx | most daemons have a start/stop script in /etc/init.d | 09:32 |
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| Alystair | ugh I uninstalled it and now it says it cannot be installed even tho it ends up in the install section | 09:41 |
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| dontupanic | hello | 09:47 |
| dontupanic | #nicksetup | 09:48 |
| johnx | hi dontupanic | 09:48 |
| dontupanic | hello | 09:48 |
| dontupanic | I had a could of questions on an error I am getting | 09:49 |
| dontupanic | I am flashing my n810 | 09:49 |
| Jaredu | ah | 09:50 |
| Jaredu | that sucks :( | 09:50 |
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| dontupanic | is this the right channle? | 09:50 |
| melmoth | yop. Maybe not the right time of day though :) | 09:50 |
| dontupanic | I could not sleep:) | 09:51 |
| johnx | sure, ask away | 09:52 |
| dontupanic | well the error is " you have to supply the X-loader image" | 09:52 |
| dontupanic | there are 4 lines | 09:53 |
| dontupanic | do you mind copy and pasting? | 09:53 |
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| _marcell_ | dontupanic: have you seen this wiki page about flashing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? | 09:54 |
| johnx | can you pastebin the whole output? | 09:54 |
| rm_you | johnx: 9 hour nightbus? >_> | 09:55 |
| rm_you | that would blow hard | 09:55 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:55 |
| dontupanic | sure what is the address | 09:55 |
| rm_you | airplane is probably immensely more comfortable :/ | 09:55 |
| johnx | ~pastebin | 09:55 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 09:55 |
| dontupanic | cool hold on a sec | 09:56 |
| Alystair | Is the microb browser different from the one on the 770 by default? | 09:56 |
| johnx | Alystair, yes. very different | 09:56 |
| johnx | you have an old version of opera | 09:56 |
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| Alystair | how do I launch it? | 09:57 |
| Alystair | It doesn't show up in the listing after installing it | 09:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Launch what? | 09:57 |
| Alystair | microb | 09:58 |
| johnx | Alystair, you installed microb on which OS version? OS2006? OS2007HE? | 09:58 |
| Alystair | 2006 | 09:58 |
| Alystair | assume I have the oldest piece of crap by default from now on please :( | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't install MicroB in OS2006. | 09:58 |
| Alystair | why did it say it was successful then :/ | 09:59 |
| johnx | will that even work? | 09:59 |
| johnx | Alystair, yes, because we love guessing when trying to help people | 09:59 |
| johnx | because another feature of the 770 is "telling lies that make you feel better about your purchase" | 10:00 |
| Jaredu | Alystair: getting this may solve your problems : http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_607318 | 10:00 |
| Jaredu | anyway imma go to bed | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way you installed MicroB on the 770. | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's simply not possible. | 10:01 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, are you sure? | 10:02 |
| Alystair | was just curious | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quite | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either you've actually got OS2007HE or OS2008HE installed and don't realize it | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | or didn't actually install MicroB | 10:02 |
| dontupanic | sorry it took me so long | 10:02 |
| dontupanic | http://pastebin.com/d2126bb7a | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | dontupanic, you need to give us the command you used. | 10:03 |
| dontupanic | ok | 10:03 |
| johnx | dontupanic, one last thing. what was the exact command you gave. you can just paste that into the channel | 10:03 |
| dontupanic | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are we flashing an older image? | 10:04 |
| dontupanic | OOOO I thought this was the latest one | 10:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 10:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please download the latest release from there. | 10:05 |
| Alystair | well it installed but ruined the internal browser :D | 10:05 |
| dontupanic | I will look there now | 10:05 |
| johnx | Alystair, can you link the version you tried to install? | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, ping. | 10:07 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: pong | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/#extras | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's the maemo wiki link there supposed to go? | 10:07 |
| Alystair | johnx: no idea what repo it came from.. | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras I assume | 10:07 |
| Alystair | says it's 0.0.8-4, 7.22mb | 10:07 |
| Alystair | MicroB engine for OSSO browser | 10:07 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: I think so | 10:07 |
| Alystair | category: web | 10:07 |
| _marcell_ | I will update the link then. | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_debian | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The link there probably needs to be changed, too. | 10:08 |
| * timeless looks for andre__ | 10:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Since it's linking to the old wiki | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe http://maemo.org/development/tools/ ? | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno | 10:08 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hi. | 10:09 |
| Alystair | wtf application manager says it cannot install OpenSSH, yet it vanishes from the list and is installed, or something. | 10:10 |
| johnx | Alystair, time to start poking around with apt I think | 10:11 |
| t_s_o | Alystair: you will probably find it under installed apps with a red and black icon next to it. basically its a indication of a broken install :( | 10:12 |
| timeless | hello x-fade | 10:12 |
| * Alystair reboots the thing a few times | 10:14 | |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: I will change the other one to tools and if people do not like it they can complain and suggest somthing better. | 10:14 |
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| t_s_o | Alystair: thats a 770, yes? if so, i hope thats a software reboot your doing, or that its sertified non-wsod capable... | 10:23 |
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| Alystair | heh time to reflash, let's try 2007HE | 10:26 |
| johnx | Alystair, so, before you get too far into your PoS application. Do you understand what people mean they say "WSOD"? | 10:27 |
| Alystair | permanently destroy? | 10:28 |
| Alystair | bricked by some sort of defect. | 10:28 |
| johnx | yeah, white screen of death. There is a finite chance everytime you hardware reboot or turn on from hardware off that a component of the LCD controller will die | 10:29 |
| johnx | again, only a problem on the 770 | 10:29 |
| Alystair | hah. | 10:29 |
| Alystair | Fun stuff :) | 10:29 |
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| johnx | a significant number of people have had their 770s die in that way | 10:29 |
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| johnx | and if you somehow still have a warranty on it, nokia will probably just send you a n800 as a replacement | 10:30 |
| Alystair | it doesn't. | 10:30 |
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| Alystair | wait, only due to WSOD? | 10:30 |
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| johnx | hmm? it's due to them not having 770s on hand I assume | 10:31 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 10:32 |
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| Alystair | woot let's do this. | 10:34 |
| * Alystair flashes 770 with 2007HE in the middle of a thunder storm with a faulty UPS | 10:35 | |
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| RST38h | Alystair <-- closing in for a kill | 10:35 |
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| Alystair | RST38h: was that hunting humor or were you referring to booting me off freenode because I'm annoying you too much :( | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's you trying to kill your 770. | 10:37 |
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| Alystair | what is life supposed to be if not exciting. I can always pick up another 770 to mangle for dirt cheap. | 10:37 |
| johnx | so which other devices have you looked at Alystair? | 10:37 |
| johnx | and isn't a 770 a bit small for a PoS? | 10:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No smaller than the WinMob machines that frequently serve the job. | 10:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though, admittedly, those do have keypads. | 10:39 |
| Alystair | 2007HE installed successfully | 10:39 |
| Alystair | this isn't meant to replace the klunkers on the desks | 10:39 |
| johnx | aaaah...so mobile PoS...I was thinking of this at the grocery store checkout | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:39 |
| Alystair | this is an "at table" solution for restaurants :D | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be hilarious | 10:39 |
| Alystair | lmao johnx | 10:40 |
| Alystair | you could have the media player make check out noises | 10:40 |
| Alystair | beep ... beep beep | 10:40 |
| johnx | I was imagining the poor clerks pecking at it with a stylus | 10:40 |
| Alystair | and then randomly not scan :) | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, that wouldn't be terribly unworkable if you have external keyboard and ir scanner | 10:40 |
| johnx | well, you've got lardman's barcode app... | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/ir // | 10:40 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Actually, that wouldn't be terribly unworkable if you have external keyboard and scanner | 10:40 |
| Alystair | I can't believe we are discussing this :P | 10:40 |
| johnx | you started it, Alystair :P | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, the grocery store I shop in only recently upgraded to real LCDs | 10:41 |
| Alystair | the biggest joke is that the 770 is probably a lot faster than most POS terminals out there :) | 10:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They had little two-line PoS displays | 10:41 |
| gomiam | Alystair: me either. There's at least on PoS "solution" for the N770 out there, IIRC | 10:41 |
| gomiam | :-P | 10:41 |
| gomiam | s/on/one/ | 10:41 |
| RST38h | Alystair: It was related to the oncoming demise of your 770 =) | 10:41 |
| Alystair | ok I'm already sold on the 2007HE, the SFX aren't nearly as annoying | 10:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I dunno, I was using 350MHz PII machines when I was working retail. . . . ;) | 10:42 |
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| johnx | as long as the software makes some kind of sense O_o | 10:42 |
| * Alystair is a UI master | 10:42 | |
| johnx | mmm...RFID at grocery stores would make for a brainless checkout | 10:43 |
| Alystair | you could just have a chute to throw all your stuff down and it would all be automagically scanned, but could be abused by those in the know | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:43 |
| gomiam | johnx: and for brainless surveillance XD | 10:43 |
| Alystair | tinfoiled cabbages! | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Walk through a portal to have your whole cart scanned? | 10:43 |
| johnx | gomiam, meh...they already know what you buy | 10:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles imagines a cacophonous utterance of "successfully scanned" noises as you walk through. | 10:44 | |
| X-Fade | I'm all for that, as long as the next portal zaps all tags. ;) | 10:44 |
| johnx | the trick is to share a "point card" with a whole lot of people | 10:44 |
| gomiam | johnx: the problem is when anybode else is able to know too with little to no effort. | 10:44 |
| gomiam | s/when/that/ | 10:44 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: johnx: the problem is that anybode else is able to know too with little to no effort. | 10:44 |
| johnx | X-Fade, powerful omni-directional microwaves? | 10:44 |
| johnx | right, the tags do need to get zapped one way or another | 10:45 |
| johnx | or better yet, overwritten | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Well, I din't say you needed to walk through with your cart ;) | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | They can't be overwritten. | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, overwritten with your SSN? :P | 10:45 |
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| gomiam | johnx: and what happens when a prankster starts zapping RFID tags left and right? | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | gomiam: You can already do that. | 10:46 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, nah, overwritten to make everything you bought look like adult diapers | 10:46 |
| gomiam | "hey, that lettuce can't cost $100!" "Sorry, sir, that's what the RFID tag says" | 10:46 |
| johnx | I take zap to mean "kill" | 10:46 |
| gomiam | X-Fade: I know. That's why I bring it up | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | But you can also stick another barcode on it now. | 10:47 |
| johnx | I assume grocery store RFID tags will be read-only | 10:47 |
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| gomiam | johnx: even worse. "Sir, you will have to bring your bag of tomatoes back to the vegetables section to weigh it again" | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | Probably programmed by burning fuses with a laser. | 10:47 |
| gomiam | X-Fade: nothing a well placed EMP can't erase ;-) | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I touched up tablets-dev a bit. Any objects? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/tablets-dev-index.html | 10:48 |
| * johnx imagines "harmless" RFID tags injected into fruits and veggies :) | 10:48 | |
| dontupanic | Hi I just wanted to say, your help solved my problem. | 10:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, looks fine | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/objects/objections/ | 10:49 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: OK, I touched up tablets-dev a bit. Any objections? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/tablets-dev-index.html | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | dontupanic, don't forget to install the SSU update | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 10:49 |
| infobot | hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 10:49 |
| dontupanic | thanks | 10:49 |
| gomiam | it's strange. When I try to SSU, it complains about a lot of packages already being a newer version | 10:50 |
| Alystair | ok so now I have 2007HE installed, this makes the tablet much more awesome, right? | 10:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, just make sure you have swap enabled. | 10:50 |
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| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: how about highlighting somwhow the device names in the Maemo releases section? | 10:51 |
| Alystair | yeah, it's zippy | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, reload | 10:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, the council blog isn't showing up on Planet. | 10:55 |
| dontupanic | all updated | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Cron was dead. | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Should show up within the hour. (I hope) ;) | 10:56 |
| Alystair | so the only place I should go for stuff is garage.maemo.org? | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, X-Fade, a few requests | 10:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can we get real authors for each article? So if I add a new article, it'll attribute it to me? | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and how about comments? | 10:58 |
| dontupanic | is there a wiki for adding repository's | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~installing-applications | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~installing-applications is http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications | 10:58 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 10:59 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes and yes. | 10:59 |
| dontupanic | thank you | 10:59 |
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| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: one last thing: the "please see the wiki article on updating the tablet firmware" should have a link to the wiki. | 11:09 |
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| dontupanic | one more thing before I go to bed | 11:09 |
| Alystair | hrm I wonder if 2008HE is really that bad if you're only planning on running one app | 11:10 |
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| dontupanic | does any one know of a good calendar program with a to-do list? | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, something like: "For information on flashing your tablet, please see the <a href="http://wiki.maemo.org/">maemo.org wiki</a> article on <a href="https://wiki.maemo.org Updating_the_tablet_firmware">updating the tablet firmware</a>." ? | 11:13 |
| wnd | dontupanic, gpe-{calendar,todo}, http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-{calendar,todo}.shtml | 11:14 |
| wnd | although I have to admit I don't use gpe todo myself, just the calendar | 11:14 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: there is a space in the second link, that is why it did not show up for me. | 11:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, weird | 11:15 |
| * Alystair kicks maemo.org server's asses | 11:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be fixed now | 11:15 |
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| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: ok, I put it to tablets-dev | 11:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool, thanks! | 11:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants all the plain-HTML pages to look the same. | 11:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, any word on Downloads comments? | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | What's up? | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | They don't seem to be working | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I added one to http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader/ a few days ago | 11:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not there | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Oh btw, did you set your name to public in the account settings? | 11:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3677 | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: (This is for the council page) | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, will look into that. | 11:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I think so. | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Then your name should show up in the council blog, but it doesn't seem to do that. | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can confirm in a sec if it ever lets me log in. ;) | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | How are the permissions for posting announcements handled, by the way? | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tim said he wasn't able to add a new article | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | Propably because cron didn't copy over the changes. | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Or at least the cron job. | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 11:25 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I can confirm the bug, trying to find out what is wrong. | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, my bad, I meant "serious connectivity (I2C and sub-par RS232 just isn't enough) | 12:20 |
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| GAN800 | USB? :p | 12:22 |
| GAN800 | Any of the other OMAP interfaces. | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I fixed the comments, but still need to fix the new comments creation. | 12:22 |
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| GAN800 | Anyway, you'll probably like the overo more for that, crashanddie. | 12:23 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, yeah, if that ever sees daylight | 12:25 |
| GAN800 | November | 12:25 |
| GAN800 | Waiting on some less broken OMAP silicon. ;) | 12:26 |
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| dneary | Hi | 12:29 |
| dneary | Everyone had a chance to have a look at the website revamp plan? | 12:29 |
| * aquatix missed that one | 12:30 | |
| aquatix | url? | 12:30 |
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| dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:Improving_maemo.org/proposal | 12:31 |
| GAN800 | dneary, haven't done more than skim it so far. | 12:31 |
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| dneary | Wondering if I'm on the right track | 12:31 |
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| dneary | Here's a thing, though... | 12:32 |
| dneary | For some docs (official guides & API docs) it absolutely makes sense to categorise by release | 12:32 |
| dneary | For others (outside documentation, articles, tutorials, wiki pages, etc...) it makes more sense to group by function, and have the articles listed according to some sort of "usefulness" metric, where usefulness decreases over time, but useful articles from 2 years ago can still get voted up | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we should probably set aside the official docs for the time being. | 12:33 |
| dneary | We need to fit them in somewhere - right now it's a mess | 12:33 |
| dneary | Mess #1, for example, is this transition period where a bunch of stuff was consolidated for Diablo | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think getting together good index pages will help a lot. | 12:34 |
| dneary | And the only link to the consolidated guide is the PDF, apart from one hard-to-find place | 12:34 |
| aquatix | ``NOTE: search for "Nokia N810 software download", the download page on maemo.org is not on the first 10 pages'' <- maybe put some more keywords on that page? it already mentiones most of it already though :/ | 12:34 |
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| dneary | Do you know of a web spider that goes through a site and can draw a directed graph (page X links to page Y) of the site? | 12:35 |
| dneary | aquatix: I think that links on maemo.org have rel="nofollow" added by default bu midgard, which is absolutely the worst thing to do | 12:35 |
| dneary | But maybe Henri can correct me there | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do they seriously? | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | dneary: View source? :) | 12:36 |
| aquatix | dneary: http://www.aharef.info/static/htmlgraph/ ? | 12:36 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Then you should see that that is ******* :) | 12:37 |
| dneary | X-Fade: My mistake :) | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Self-censor? :P | 12:37 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yep. | 12:38 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, I loved your proposal | 12:38 |
| dneary | Thanks anddie | 12:38 |
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| dneary | Why isn't your name spelt Andy? | 12:39 |
| dneary | "Crash Andy" | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | It would be good to decide what to do with these OS200x references too. | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | because that's not it :P | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | it was during my lame years | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | "crash" & "die" | 12:39 |
| dneary | aquatix: Thanks! http://www.aharef.info/static/htmlgraph/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maemo.org | 12:39 |
| aquatix | dneary: i think it's three words | 12:39 |
| dneary | Wow.... | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | haha | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Sebastian just got himself a new name. | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | Unless Andy is close enough to André | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | Anyway, not having a certain name never stopped me from using it as one of mine | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Nice graph, but pretty useless without urls. | 12:41 |
| dneary | Indeed | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet we could copy-edit this one and push it live pretty easily: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org/community | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | "Hi, how do you do? I'm [Vincent|Paul|Fred|Eric|Jack|whatever] | 12:42 |
| dneary | And it's a graph of the front page, as far as I can tell, not a graph of the site structure | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It rendered awfully quickly for it to be a graph of the whole site. ;) | 12:42 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Yes, we could - although I'd love to have a graphic designer's rendering of what the page will look like | 12:43 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Did you check your privacy settings? | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, it's public. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I see in the db you wrote it, but that doesn't show up on the page ;) | 12:44 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: btw, karma computation is stuck again | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tutorials vs How-tos vs Quick Start Guides in documentation is really confusing. | 12:46 |
| RST38h | and, what is more interesting, stuck in some really weird state where score for apps is not divisible by the number of apps =) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | GA: Not confusing if you place QSGs and Tutorials into Newbies section and How-tos with reference | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this is all for the developer documentation | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, karma is stuck. | 12:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles removes gronmayer from the Improving maemo.org/proposal page. | 12:49 | |
| RST38h | yea but you can have several sections there as well | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Applications has 2 karma modifiers. Fixed number and the rating influences it too. | 12:49 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Ah | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish we had some graphic designers who'd step up to help get a new look together. | 12:49 |
| RST38h | that explains it | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Glauber will help there, I think. | 12:50 |
| RST38h | GA: Google seems to have been going without graphic designers for a long while | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Works fine without them ;) | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, somebody, anybody, willing to step up. ;) | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | My plan for it amounts to "lightweight and tablet-friendly" | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we take the Repositories link off the front page? | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Reduce the number of requests needed for a page. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla and the wiki need to be moved up into the top-level navbar | 12:52 |
| RST38h | GA: I can probably help but do not expect too much | 12:53 |
| RST38h | [and no, I do not understand adamant desire to exterminate all repositories other than Extras] | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's not to understand? | 12:54 |
| RST38h | GA: What page do you want to redesign? | 12:54 |
| RST38h | The impracticality of it | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Repositories are trouble for end-users, developers and Nokia. | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | They reduce the quality of the user-experience | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | make it harder to troubleshoot problems | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and reflect poorly on Nokia. | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Well, they help me find stuff. That is improved user experience for me :) | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, they will not help you find stuff. | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras helps you find stuff | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Now, how 3rd party repositories reflect on Nokia is a different subject :) | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | since everything you need is right there. | 12:55 |
| RST38h | it is not :) | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather than being scattered all over the internet. | 12:55 |
| gomiam | GeneralAntilles: which is why I still need some 3rd party repositories, right? | 12:55 |
| RST38h | if it were, I would not need to search other repos for it | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should be if developers would get their act together. | 12:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that sounds like an argument against 3rd party repositories to me. . . . | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | gomiam, my point was, that's why everything should be in Extras. | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you don't have to search far and wide for stuff. | 12:56 |
| RST38h | GA: well, if you kill off 3rd party repos and their contents is not in Extras (which is what you want to do), then content is lost | 12:56 |
| Mek | until scratchbox/qemu/the autobuilder gets to a state where it can build/run everything, I don't think you'll ever be able to get rid of 3rd party repositories (or you should allow binary uploads to extras/extras-devel...) | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I want as much content as possible to be in Extras. | 12:56 |
| RST38h | GA: So, before you go off putting down 3rd party repos, at least make sure their content is duplicated in extras | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn | 12:57 |
| RST38h | BTW, there is a relatively clean way to do it: | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the same stupid argument people try to use against the wiki. | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Check my talk at the summit ;) | 12:57 |
| RST38h | GA: Not familiar with it but it may hold for the wiki as well | 12:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "No, nobody should use that wiki until all the information is there, we should use the itT wiki until that other wiki has everything" | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Anyway, you can create user/incoming category in Extras, import 3rd party stuff there, and run static dependency check to make sure it checks out ok | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the wiki can't have everything until people start putting stuff into it. | 12:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up. | 12:58 | |
| RST38h | GA: No, that one sounds wrong =) | 12:58 |
| jott | we also need more people actively maintaining extras - bring content over, assists developers with packaging etc, etc. | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a stupid discussion. | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Back to the design question: what page do you want to design? | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | jott: Yes, we do. Also.. check my talk at the summit ;) | 12:59 |
| jott | X-Fade: will do! :) | 12:59 |
| jott | and somehow fight with the qemu mess :/ | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, we need a new look. | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Simple and lightweight | 13:00 |
| jott | maybe on special builder with sbrsh? | 13:00 |
| RST38h | GA: Overall or page layouts? | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most pages share the same layout | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it doesn't really matter which one | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start with the front page | 13:00 |
| RST38h | GA: Haver to go to the meeting but when I get back we can talk | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | jott: The builder now uses the qemu cvs* version. | 13:01 |
| RST38h | I will try to help with layout, can't help with artwork | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, should this be public? http://test.maemo.org/ | 13:01 |
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| jott | X-Fade: no. it should be back to 0.8.2.. | 13:01 |
| hrw | morgen | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, no.. | 13:01 |
| jott | X-Fade: both version are broken.. | 13:01 |
| jott | X-Fade: and best - they are broken in different ways. | 13:01 |
| hrw | summit talk... I need to finally start work on presentation | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | jott: Can you mention something on the list? | 13:02 |
| jott | X-Fade: well i guess we could discuss this on summit :) | 13:02 |
| Mek | X-Fade: also see my blog entry about qemu stuff :) | 13:02 |
| jott | given that its just a few days ahead. | 13:02 |
| Mek | X-Fade: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Yep, have read that.. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | jott: Yes, be sure to talk to Ed about it. | 13:03 |
| jott | X-Fade: yep. i already had contact with him :) | 13:03 |
| jott | btw. will there be name tags handed out? :) | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | seriously wtf "Moistened by his blood the toast was glazed to perfection as the red fluid of life oozed from his mouth. The toast felt regret as his corpse began to chill. It wanted so badly to cry to the heavens and proclaim its love for the man. But alas it couldn't, for it was merely a plate of French toast." | 13:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, ping. | 13:05 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 13:05 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, yes indeed wtf. GeneralAntilles i thought that was some top secret new stuff, not maemo2 tests \@/ | 13:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, can you ponder on having a couple of top-ten lists (like from the bug jar) on the bugzilla front page? | 13:06 |
| jott | X-Fade: do you think it might be possible to get a sbrsh system running? (like as someone knowing nokias policies a bit) | 13:06 |
| * lcuk is over the hump | 13:06 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, found it in an old wiki we had as a school project, I'm refreshing it a bit... And this is what one of the spammers posted... | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OR maybe top-5 lists | 13:06 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, refering to duplicates, or votes, or...? | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | jott: I have no idea. I have no access to the actual build machines, that is Ed's thing.. | 13:06 |
| andre___ | I wouldn't hack the front page for that | 13:07 |
| jott | X-Fade: ok. will ask him then... | 13:07 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, maybe having a more explicit link is ok, but in general such stuff should be part of a summary page that guenther hacks on | 13:07 |
| jott | so about name tags, are there any? because otherwise it might be hard to spot some people.. | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just hard for new people to jump into bugzilla when you can't really get to any bugs right off the bat. | 13:08 |
| andre___ | well, what is the usecase you're after? triaging, or searching in general? | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | New users | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | jott: I haven't seen anything about name tags. | 13:09 |
| dystopia | GeneralAntilles: there were more arguments about why to use the itt wiki. the lack of stability on the maemo wiki, for example | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They land on bugs.maemo.org | 13:10 |
| jott | Mek: does the eabi version work out for you btw, or does it still make trouble? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now what? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | dystopia, I really don't want to hear it. ;) | 13:10 |
| jott | Mek: we could probably ask to get this version installed on the build machines.. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do the new users enter a bug number in the box? | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | I'm still not using bugzilla because I have no clue what I can help with | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many bugs are in the database? | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | I vote when I'm asked to, and that's it | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Am I gonna find one that's 3 years old and closed? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or one that doesn't exist yet? | 13:10 |
| dystopia | dont bring the subject up then ;> | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | Other than that, I have no clue how to manage bugs, track 'em, or find out what's happened with 'em | 13:10 |
| Mek | jott: about one in every 1000 or so fork syscalls fails (I don't know exactly how many), so with some manual intervention I can build stuff with it... | 13:11 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, depends on what you're searching for :) and there's links for entering a new report and searching the existing ones | 13:11 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, i agree that we should have a link at the frontpage when the summary page is set up | 13:11 |
| jott | Mek: bleh, i actually had this with every qemu version in a non reproducible manner at some point in time :( | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | qemu ... bleah | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, a couple of "Top 10 open enhancements by votes", "Top 10 open bugs by severity", "10 most recently filed bugs", "10 most recently updated bugs" links might help people to get a feel for things. | 13:12 |
| jott | RST38h: write something better *please* :) | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 13:12 |
| RST38h | jott: just use the real thing | 13:13 |
| jott | RST38h: gna, yeah. that's why i suggested sbrsh for the build hosts... | 13:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, maybe a Busquad link on the bugzilla front page? "If you're interested in getting involved in bugzilla, head on over to the Bugsquad!" | 13:13 |
| jott | RST38h: but this might not be an option.. :( | 13:13 |
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| * RST38h cross-compiles on ia32 | 13:14 | |
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| jott | RST38h: yeah that works for your stuff. but it does not work for all stuff :) | 13:14 |
| jott | at least not without touching qemu or some other way of running arm code.. | 13:15 |
| RST38h | even if it works for 90 percent, it is worth doing for those 90 | 13:15 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, that sounds good. Can you file an enhancement bug report against me? ;-) | 13:15 |
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| Mek | I don't think the debian packaging stuff really supports cross compiling? | 13:16 |
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| jott | Mek: well you can cross compile - but it will fail at the point where you need native programs to proceed :) | 13:16 |
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| jott | there is dpkg-cross for example.. | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, if you do start getting involved in bugzilla, think you could take some mental notes while you do? | 13:17 |
| andre___ | oh yes. i'd love to see that too | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | My perspective isn't quite what it used to be as far as that goes, so it's hard for my to picture the stumbling points that prevent people from getting involved. | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had a lot of outside prodding from other people. . . . | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | I don't know if I can commit to it | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | but IF I do (get involved) | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | I'll do better than a few mental notes | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | I'll write a bloody essay | 13:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't wait. | 13:20 | |
| X-Fade | Does anybody have a link to the svg of the maemo.org logo handy? | 13:20 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: do you know of any Maemo media players that handle embedded album cover art in mp3 files? | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not the easiest thing in the world for people who are already deeply involved to think up things that would be useful for people who aren't yet involved. ;) | 13:20 |
| * jott hands GeneralAntilles his charged cattle prod to "motivate" crashanddie | 13:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | vanRijn, embedded? Is that actually part of ID3? | 13:21 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: yes | 13:21 |
| jott | sure it is. | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola will download them separately | 13:21 |
| jott | all my mp3s have embedded covers :) | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure about embedded, though. | 13:21 |
| * jott hates players that try to fetch covers "automatically" | 13:21 | |
| jott | it's deemed to fail. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | worked for me | 13:23 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: there's a couple of canola plugins/extras things that will go through a collection in batch mode and fetch album art from a variety of sources, including embedded id3, but it sure would be nice if it just did it automatically on the fly | 13:23 |
| jott | never worked for me. especially compared to the good and *right* quality covers i already have. | 13:23 |
| jott | ok, some mainstream albums where ok :) | 13:24 |
| vanRijn | canola-tuning and canola-tuning-plugin (iirc) is what does that, btw | 13:24 |
| RST38h | actually even worked for obscure foreign albums | 13:25 |
| jott | lucky you RST38h :) | 13:25 |
| RST38h | which i found weird | 13:25 |
| jott | still i see no point in fetching it when it's already there :) | 13:25 |
| vanRijn | jott: did you try canola-tuning and canola-tuning-plugin? | 13:27 |
| jott | vanRijn: no, but i don't use canola/my n810 to listen to music anyway. | 13:28 |
| vanRijn | jott: what do you use? | 13:28 |
| jott | ipod :P | 13:28 |
| vanRijn | hah | 13:28 |
| GAN800 | vanRijn, canola-tuning-plugin supercedes canola-tuning. | 13:29 |
| vanRijn | GAN800: hm. I think I have both installed | 13:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello, Khertan_n810. | 13:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll haven t a released version of mContacts for the summit :( | 13:38 |
| * Khertan_n810 just discover that gtktree cellrenderertext can be edited in the column | 13:39 | |
| Khertan_n810 | view | 13:39 |
| StsN800 | :( | 13:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | could be a good thing for a todo app | 13:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: i ll show anyway the current developpment version | 13:41 |
| vanRijn | is there going to be an official calendar application for maemo coming soon? I need PIM applications on the N810 before I can throw my palm out the window. | 13:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | vanRijn: not official | 13:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i ll present mCalendar | 13:43 |
| johnx | vanRijn, non-nokia people don't know. Nokia people won't say | 13:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | at the summit | 13:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png | 13:43 |
| * vanRijn looks | 13:44 | |
| * GeneralAntilles is blinded. | 13:44 | |
| Khertan_n810 | don t take care of colors in the list this was for test purpose | 13:44 |
| vanRijn | Khertan_n810: how bullet-proof is syncing with google calendar? | 13:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | bullet-proof ? | 13:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | sync with google works very well | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:45 |
| vanRijn | yeah... as in... not going to mess up my google calendar and not going to miss things that are important, like all-day, multi-day, recurring events, alarms, etc., etc. | 13:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts a couple of rounds through Khertan's server. | 13:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Not very. | 13:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | at least in the 0.4.1 | 13:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | all day event and alarm are sync | 13:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | and as i use alarmd ... | 13:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | it work also when device sleep | 13:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and don t need to keep the app open like gpe | 13:47 |
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| peter|work | does nokia 770 use maemo? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) | 13:48 |
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| johnx | peter|work, yes | 13:48 |
| vanRijn | Khertan_n810: okay, cool. i'll look into it. is there any way to synchronize it with a desktop app like thunderbird or evolution or korganizer? | 13:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: why do u said not very ? | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because I put bullets through your server, so it's apparently not bullet proof. :P | 13:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | thunderbird can be sync with googlecal | 13:49 |
| peter|work | does linux/filesystem reside on sd/mmc card in that? | 13:49 |
| * johnx syncs thunderbird with google cal | 13:49 | |
| Khertan_n810 | bullets ? you mean bugs ? | 13:49 |
| johnx | peter|work, no | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 13:49 |
| infobot | from memory, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 13:49 |
| peter|work | so where is the filesystem? | 13:49 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: vanRijn was talking about bullet-proofness | 13:49 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, bulletproof = still works in bad situations | 13:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | aquarius-: maybe but don t understand what it s mean | 13:50 |
| johnx | peter|work, normally, it's on an internal flash chip | 13:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | bullet is amunition for a weapon | 13:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | so | 13:50 |
| vanRijn | is it possible to sync the contacts program on the n810 with anything on the linux desktop? or memos? | 13:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes there were a Bugzilla search scrubber. | 13:51 | |
| peter|work | so what if i want to store something from a PC say like a sdmmc card? | 13:51 |
| peter|work | or microsdmmc | 13:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | vanRijn: mContacts will be sync with google contacts | 13:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | but not ready yet | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, the 770 uses RS-MMC | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as a "sdmmc" | 13:51 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: yeah, so `bulletproof' normally means `can it stand bad situations', with GeneralAntilles taking it literally and putting some bullets in your server ;) | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, the RS-MMC cards are normally FAT | 13:51 |
| vanRijn | Khertan_n810: when will it be ready? | 13:51 |
| peter|work | okay - suppose i want to store some file such as mp3 files how do i do it? | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you can just put files on them and use it. | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just put files on the card. | 13:52 |
| peter|work | okay | 13:52 |
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| peter|work | from a windows pc? | 13:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | vanRijn: when it ll be ok :) | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | From wherever | 13:52 |
| peter|work | okay | 13:52 |
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| vanRijn | Khertan_n810: heh. okay. =:) | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of it like a little external hard drive. | 13:53 |
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| peter|work | so nokia tablets have an ext2/ext3 file system which resides in nand/some flash and a mmc card with FAT? | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's JFFS2 on NAND | 13:53 |
| peter|work | err. okay cool | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an un-managed NAND, so it needs filesystem-level wear-leveling. | 13:53 |
| johnx | but overall, yes, that's the right idea | 13:54 |
| peter|work | so how does firmware upgrade takes place | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Journaled Flash Filesystem 2 | 13:54 |
| peter|work | i want to update my filesystem and kernel | 13:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You flash a filesystem image onto the NAND over USB | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 13:54 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:54 |
| johnx | connect through usb, program on computer recopies the fs over to nand on the device | 13:54 |
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| johnx | aside, "flashing" is such a strangely anachronistic term in this case | 13:55 |
| peter|work | is there any flashing tool available? | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 13:55 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:55 |
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| johnx | peter|work, hit the flashing link :) | 13:55 |
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| peter|work | my firewall does not allow me to access that site for some reason | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's software available for Windows, Linux, and OS X. | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only the Linux or Windows flashers will allow you to only flash the kernel or rootfs. | 13:56 |
| johnx | yes, there's a flasher available on that page. bookmark it to look at when you're home :) | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Windows/OS X/ | 13:56 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Only the Linux or OS X flashers will allow you to only flash the kernel or rootfs. | 13:56 |
| peter|work | okay trying to understand how things work - for our own device i thought of updating using sd/mmc card | 13:58 |
| peter|work | im trying to design a flashing tool sort of thing for our own device. | 13:58 |
| johnx | you can update the kernel and initfs from a running system | 13:58 |
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| johnx | then you could update the rootfs from initfs | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashing from an SD/MMC isn't much different from flashing over USB | 13:59 |
| peter|work | right now im looking into filesystems | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The X-Loader on the tablets just isn't set up for that. | 13:59 |
| johnx | you might find mtd-utils interesting | 13:59 |
| peter|work | whether to have 2 different file systems? | 13:59 |
| peter|work | JFFS2 and FAT | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | JFFS2 you'll definitely need for any unmanaged NAND | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ext2/3 or FAT on unmanaged NAND will burn it out in a heartbeat. | 14:00 |
| aquatix | hm, is it an idea to format the internal 2GB of my n810 jffs2 instead of FAT? | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ext2/3 would be an option, though. | 14:00 |
| johnx | won't work | 14:00 |
| aquatix | ah right | 14:01 |
| peter|work | JFFS2 i found to be problematic for say if power went off | 14:01 |
| aquatix | because that one is managed? | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 14:01 |
| aquatix | kk | 14:01 |
| peter|work | does tablets have 2GB nand? | 14:01 |
| * johnx never had problems with jffs2 corruption | 14:01 | |
| aquatix | peter|work: the n810 has | 14:01 |
| johnx | kinda | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N810 has what amounts to a soldered-on SD card. | 14:01 |
| johnx | the n800 and n810 have 256MB of unmanaged nand | 14:01 |
| peter|work | so you need a 100% reliable driver | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | In addition to the 256MB of NAND. | 14:01 |
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| aquatix | peter|work: what GeneralAntilles says :) | 14:02 |
| johnx | the n810 *also* has a 2GB piece of NAND that is basically a soldered in sd-card | 14:02 |
| johnx | sd cards are NAND | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They just have hardware wear-leveling. | 14:02 |
| johnx | peter|work, what are you designing, if you don't mind the question? | 14:02 |
| peter|work | can i put a JFFS2 file system on it? | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | JFFS2 is only for unmanaged NAND | 14:02 |
| lcuk | peter|work, yes | 14:02 |
| peter|work | what is managed nand? | 14:02 |
| aquatix | peter|work: that was my question too ;) ext2 or 3 is better for an SD card | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Managed NAND (like the kind found in SD cards) needs a regular filesystem. | 14:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, Ext2/3 or FAT | 14:03 |
| johnx | peter|work, sd cards that present a block device to OSes | 14:03 |
| peter|work | okay - kind of a portable device which has nand and SDMMC device | 14:03 |
| * aquatix thinks about formatting it to ext2 so it won't get corrupted again and is able to do serious things like subversion repo's | 14:03 | |
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| peter|work | SDMMC should be FAT else windows dont understand them | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 14:04 |
| peter|work | i cant put music files from windows PC | 14:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's probably easier to go with a bootloader that'll grab an image from FAT rather than Ext, anyway. | 14:04 |
| peter|work | is FAT stable when compared to EXT2? | 14:05 |
| peter|work | i thought FAT has issues | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | FAT is compatible | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not much more. | 14:05 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: would you recommend ext3 over ext2 on the internal mem? | 14:05 |
| aquatix | or is it overkill for it | 14:05 |
| johnx | peter|work, yeah, of course it does, but it's the only thing guaranteed to be compatible | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, well, the benefit to ext3 is that you wont have to fsck whenever you crash. | 14:05 |
| johnx | aquatix, I use it on SD cards | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you're also introducing more writes for journaling | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | not a big deal for replaceable external cards | 14:06 |
| peter|work | i got confused | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | but maybe an issue for the non-replaceable 2GB in the N810 | 14:06 |
| aquatix | yeah, that's why i'm asking, as i'm thinking abuot using it on the non-replaceable mem | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's probably _not_ as issue considering the life of the device. | 14:06 |
| peter|work | do you guys say FAT is the filesystem to choose when it comes to SD/MMC? | 14:06 |
| aquatix | but i won't use it a lot | 14:06 |
| aquatix | peter|work: yeah | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | At worst, with ext2, you'll have to fsck a little more. | 14:07 |
| johnx | peter|work, yes, if it needs to work with windows. | 14:07 |
| aquatix | peter|work: especially when you want windows compatibility to put files on it and such | 14:07 |
| StsN800 | i wonder if ext3 with external journal would be better | 14:07 |
| peter|work | we all like it that way, isnt it? | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Which, actually, may balance out the writing benefits of not having journalling \) | 14:07 |
| johnx | I use ext3 because I don't even own a windows computer | 14:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I don't have the data to call it either way, honestly. | 14:07 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fair enough, just asking :) | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish I could say for sure | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it'd be interesting to see some write-samples to get an idea of the difference | 14:08 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:08 |
| peter|work | okay what if in tablet the bootloaders get corrupted while flashing | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a good question is how often you're planning on doing hard reboots. ;) | 14:08 |
| peter|work | is there a rescue mode or something? | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | peter|work, with OMAP, yes. | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can flash a new bootloader over the serial connection | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tablets can't recover from an SD card, though. | 14:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | peter|work, i would just not flash nolo | 14:10 |
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| johnx | *cough*doomed*cough* | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:10 |
| StsN800 | as that enables usb flasher | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering how far down the SD recovery with SD takes place. | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/SD/OMAP3/2 | 14:11 |
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| peter|work | sorry, got dc | 14:11 |
| derf | http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/114-How-Long-Does-a-Flash-Drive-Last.html | 14:11 |
| johnx | peter|work, so which chipset is this based on? omap2? omap3? pxa270? | 14:11 |
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| peter|work | omap2 | 14:12 |
| peter|work | okay guys, thanks, i have to go now. catch you later | 14:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really sure if something changed between OMAP2 and OMAP3 to make SD recovery possible | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | or if it's just the difference between Nokia's and, say, the Beagle's setup. | 14:14 |
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| hrw | and how much of that would be ever available on nokias | 14:16 |
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| johnx | hey, hrw. what's the next ARM device you'll get? | 14:18 |
| hrw | johnx: no idea now | 14:18 |
| hrw | johnx: maybe beagleboard rev.C | 14:19 |
| hrw | johnx: I am less and less in a need of new arm hw | 14:19 |
| johnx | those do look interesting...lot's of fun hardware appearing these days | 14:19 |
| hrw | sooner will rather have to get Atom based netbook | 14:19 |
| hrw | but that has to wait too | 14:20 |
| johnx | tired of dealing with cross compile issues? | 14:20 |
| hrw | johnx: even for Atom I do crosscompile | 14:21 |
| hrw | johnx: OpenEmbedded hides cross compilation problems | 14:21 |
| johnx | I'm very interested to see how the cortex will compare to the atom in everyday use | 14:21 |
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| hrw | omap3430 can play 720p in realtime | 14:22 |
| hrw | without using dsp iirc | 14:22 |
| johnx | I think I remember that | 14:22 |
| peter|work | it works at > 600MHZ | 14:23 |
| hrw | peter|work: MHz is not a definition of cpu speed | 14:23 |
| peter|work | what is? | 14:23 |
| hrw | with todays cpus it is often hard to compare them | 14:24 |
| gletelli_ | hrw: why do you need to do crosscompile on Atom? | 14:24 |
| hrw | gletelli_: not 'on Atom' but 'for Atom' | 14:24 |
| hrw | gletelli_: I do not do compilation on target devices - for that I have quadcore desktop | 14:24 |
| gletelli_ | yes sorry! It's what I meant- for Atom | 14:25 |
| gletelli_ | I thought it was x86 | 14:25 |
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| hrw | peter|work: how to compare quadcore x86-64 which has sse, large l1/l2 cache with omap2420 which has small cache but has dsp unit inside? | 14:26 |
| hrw | gletelli_: Atom is x86 | 14:26 |
| peter|work | hrw: i wont compare ; | 14:27 |
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| peter|work | it depends on what you want to use it for | 14:27 |
| peter|work | say i want to play a mpeg movie - can i play it in both i would look like that | 14:27 |
| peter|work | i had trouble playing movies in omap2 | 14:28 |
| peter|work | then i had to use dsp | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | are you sure thats omap2s fault and not the archaic framebuffer iumplimentation on this system (we waste so many cycles copying memory and doing stuff which should sit in the faster internal omap2 framebuffer | 14:29 |
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| peter|work | may be youre right - but it depends on how much time you have to make something work | 14:29 |
| hrw | omap3 based tablet would be nice - if designed properly | 14:30 |
| lcuk | yer, omap2 is/was a great chip - on this device its drawn down | 14:30 |
| lcuk | hrw :) agreed | 14:30 |
| * johnx started looking at the 3M mini-projector... | 14:30 | |
| lcuk | and hi btw | 14:30 |
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| hrw | lcuk: osim? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | WARNING: Do not look into 3M Mini-Projector with your remaining eye! | 14:31 |
| lcuk | summit only - arriving on thursday | 14:31 |
| johnx | peter|work, I completely agree. At some point you have to figure out whether optimization is worth your time or whether you should buy faster hardware | 14:31 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: it's only got a weird external framebuffer because the omap2 can't drive an LCD that size | 14:32 |
| peter|work | yeah - there are lots of things to consider isnt it? skill level, num of ppl in your team, budget and so on | 14:32 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: so arguably it is the omap2's fault :P | 14:32 |
| lcuk | that is of course assuming you can afford to just throw away what you have and accept the hit on your poscket | 14:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Robot101, well, the 770 had the same issue, but the external framebuffer wasn't nearly as broken. ;) | 14:32 |
| lcuk | Robot101, seriously - 640*480 wouldv been great (and liqbase is practically indistinguishable at that res) | 14:33 |
| peter|work | omap3 is twice as faster as omap2 | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nearly the same power consumption, too. | 14:33 |
| hrw | lcuk: see you friday then | 14:33 |
| lcuk | yer hrw :) lookin forward to it | 14:33 |
| * lcuk wonders if he will get any sleep before then | 14:35 | |
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| * JamieBennett wonders if he will get any sleep when he is there | 14:38 | |
| lcuk | ill have no problem sleeping after the pres, but its prep that im havin trouble with | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | anyway, back later | 14:39 |
| andrewfblack | Anyone ever moved there sidebar with the icons to the right side of there tablet? I need to know how to move it back | 14:39 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Back. If you want to discuss the layout, show me an example of a page you want to redesign and what the requirements are | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, you can do that with the rotation xserver | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never been able to make it happen here, though. | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, OK, let's start with the front page. | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The biggest issue is that it'll fit on the tablet screen in a usable way. | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | First thing that has to go is the width | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be fluid. | 14:42 |
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| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles yeah I've been playing with Rotate this week and I find it only useful for viewing some web pages since the UI looks really bad and menu is unusable but now in regular view my sidebar is on right side and not left have no idea how to get it back I will have to try and rotate it over and over maybe it will come back right | 14:46 |
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| Anunakin | Good day! | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | GAN: wiki.maemo.org? | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org | 14:49 |
| RST38h | ok | 14:49 |
| RST38h | GAN: Plain HTMl ok? | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fine with whatever's convenient. | 14:50 |
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| hrw | maemo summit will be a bit hardcore | 14:59 |
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| hrw | if I want to be at opening keynote I would have to wakeup before 5:00 | 14:59 |
| florian | indeed | 14:59 |
| florian | even without travel | 14:59 |
| hrw | florian: I plan to travel on friday morning and saturday evening | 15:00 |
| hrw | so after 5am from home and back after 23 | 15:00 |
| florian | hrw: oh that sounds evil... | 15:01 |
| hrw | florian: @txl on 9:00 10:00 11:45.. | 15:02 |
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| hrw | if I will be there @9:00 then I should be at keynote as they arrive before 9.. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | GAN: http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html | 15:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: This is heading only, no styles applied yet | 15:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: Should look perfectly fine on the tablet too | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Will even look decent on a cell phone, as long as you have got a decent browser | 15:07 |
| * hrw -> lunch | 15:07 | |
| hrw | RST38h: TABLES??????? | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mockup | 15:08 |
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| Fatal | hrw: Multiple question marks, really? | 15:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fatal, that's usually _my_ reaction to table usage in styling these days. ;) | 15:10 |
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| Fatal | GeneralAntilles: mine aswell, but I react worse to repeated punctuations :) | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, this is IRC, not the New Yorker. | 15:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Whatever helps get across that all that extra information you normally miss in text-only communication. | 15:12 |
| Fatal | GeneralAntilles: normal words tends to get it across better than putting on an asshat suit :) | 15:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles always figured the punctuation nazi for an asshat-suit. :P | 15:13 | |
| Fatal | If I was a punctuation nazi, I'd probably not use smileys as punctuation :) | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nazis don't have to use things "right" themselves, they just have to want to impose their own view of "right" on others. ;) | 15:15 |
| Fatal | haha, true true | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, we're probably more in agreement here than not, so there's no point arguing over it. ;) | 15:16 |
| Fatal | we'll agree to disagree, I frown on "yelling" (uppercase+multiples of ? or !) while you find it acceptable to get a point through | 15:16 |
| Fatal | true | 15:16 |
| herwood | Hi, is there some kind of problem in running qmake (in Qt-project) inside scratchbox's ARM -target? | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could Google docs be any slower in picking up this image? . . . | 15:17 |
| Fatal | (and yes, the use of asshat was excessive and NOT directed against hrw (or anyone else in the channel)) | 15:17 |
| Fatal | </disclaimer> | 15:17 |
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| Mek | herwood: there shouldn't be (well not big problems at least :P ) | 15:18 |
| RST38h | hrw: Tables work | 15:18 |
| RST38h | hrw: CSS does not always work though. Hence tables. | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Floggings work, too. | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | That don't make 'em right. :D | 15:18 |
| aquatix | tables *and* caps html tags | 15:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: Did I mention I am all for flogging a few responsible people? | 15:18 |
| aquatix | and no doctype :) | 15:18 |
| herwood | Mek: In my scratchbox (newest Diablo version) qmake always crashes to segmentation fault, no matter where I run it | 15:19 |
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| herwood | even with no parameters | 15:19 |
| herwood | Have you heard or seen something like that before | 15:19 |
| Mek | herwood: ah, you need to use the cvs-m version of qemu | 15:19 |
| Mek | (or newer) | 15:19 |
| herwood | Mek: thanks very much! | 15:20 |
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| herwood | Mek: Where can I find it? | 15:20 |
| Mek | herwood: it shold already be installed, you just need to change your configuration to use it | 15:20 |
| herwood | Mek: How can I do that? | 15:21 |
| Mek | (in /scratchbox/users/USER/targets/TARGETNAME.conf change the cpu transparency method line thing) | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Well, between making things "right" and making them work, I always go for the second choice | 15:21 |
| RST38h | GAN: But, of course, once "right" thing start working, you are welcome to put them in place =) | 15:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's impossible to line up images in Google Docs | 15:24 |
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| herwood | Mek: Yeah, it works now! Thanks alot, you've saved my day! | 15:26 |
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| hrw | or use normal crosscompilation instead of sbox | 15:28 |
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| Mek | I don't think 'normal' crosscompilation will be very easy with qmake... | 15:30 |
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| hrw | really? | 15:30 |
| RST38h | Why is it hard? | 15:30 |
| hrw | then why it works in OpenEmbedded? | 15:30 |
| hrw | it is just a matter of having qmake for host and proper configuration | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Actually, if you do not install Etch toolchain (at least in SB2), you are using cross compilation | 15:31 |
| Mek | hrw: there are quite some patches in openembedded to make it work... | 15:32 |
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| hrw | Mek: done once, works everytime | 15:34 |
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| Mek | hrw: sure, but still far from trivial (and it won't help with qmake based projects that have configuration checks that depend on executing stuff) | 15:35 |
| hrw | any buildsystem can be done good or bad | 15:35 |
| hrw | I just saw too many bad ones | 15:36 |
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| aladds | anyone here used BasiliskII on OS2007? | 15:47 |
| aquatix | gotta love listening streaming music on your n810 over your work's wifi network | 15:47 |
| aladds | i know to use uniquie311's builds | 15:47 |
| aladds | but i get an error when i start it, something about SIGSRV | 15:48 |
| aladds | and then it sits there for a bit | 15:48 |
| aladds | then reboots | 15:48 |
| aladds | i thought about installing some sdl libs, but that didn't seem to help | 15:48 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | GAN: here? | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:49 |
| RST38h | GAN: Check http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html again | 16:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Looks good. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | GAN: "Status Information" may be replaced by a few other important stats | 16:50 |
| * johnx claps for variable width | 16:50 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: Pearl's screenshot can be placed at the right | 16:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: thanks | 16:50 |
| * RST38h tried his best =) | 16:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, variable width will be really nice to have | 16:51 |
| RST38h | that's tables for you ;) | 16:51 |
| johnx | I'll be able to read maemo.org on my zaurus even :) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | The best cursed HTML feature | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, CSS does the same. | 16:51 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h that looks cool what is it? | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | GAN: it does, when it works =( | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | CSS does variable width even better, in fact. | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ | 16:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: There are few places (like input fields) where CSS is the only way to do war width | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Play with the text size on that, too. ;) | 16:52 |
| RST38h | s/war/var/ | 16:52 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: GAN: There are few places (like input fields) where CSS is the only way to do var width | 16:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: but still not recommended if you are targeting any dumb browser out there. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | I am taking the font from liqbase? | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Or should I go for standard Arial to be safe? | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go with whatever you want | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure the finer style stuff will change | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | fint changed | 16:57 |
| RST38h | s/fint/font/ | 16:57 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: font changed | 16:57 |
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| inz | General, you need more content on the screenshots page, otherwise it will break | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screenshots page? | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, the liqbase site | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all filler | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting on content from lcuk. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can just set a min-height to fix that, though. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks for noticing. | 17:04 |
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| liri | do video calls work with skype? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 17:06 |
| Jaredu | i do not believe so | 17:06 |
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| Jaredu | there is possible support in the future but as of this moment no | 17:06 |
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| liri | I see | 17:08 |
| liri | is there any messaging app that support video besides amsn? | 17:08 |
| Jaredu | i think gtalk does | 17:08 |
| Jaredu | but im not sure | 17:08 |
| Jaredu | i get my n810 next week | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm | 17:08 |
| Jaredu | what clients does rtcomm support? | 17:09 |
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| johnx | I'll place my bet with with "we won't see it on current tablets ever" | 17:09 |
| johnx | gizmo5, right? | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Gizmo5, too. | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu, GTalk tablet-to-tablet | 17:09 |
| liri | I'm not talking about tablet-to-tablet | 17:10 |
| Jaredu | yeah | 17:10 |
| liri | tablet-to-tablet I guess that video SIP is also supported | 17:10 |
| Jaredu | hm | 17:10 |
| liri | I'm talking about tablet-to-desktop | 17:10 |
| Jaredu | right | 17:10 |
| liri | so that leaves us with amsn only? | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo5 | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | aMSN | 17:11 |
| Jaredu | both are tablet-desktop yes? | 17:11 |
| Jaredu | free? :) | 17:11 |
| liri | ahh missed, gizmo5, that's what I also have by default with the tablet or is this some other kind of gizmo version? | 17:11 |
| liri | Jaredu: amsn has a tablet version as I've seen in some forums on ITT | 17:12 |
| Jaredu | ive heard of it | 17:12 |
| Jaredu | i was thinking gizmo5 was a pay for service of some sort though | 17:12 |
| aquatix | Jaredu: only when calling real phones | 17:13 |
| aquatix | gizmo is just sip | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . ^ | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz, min-height fixed it. | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 17:17 |
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| chirpsalot | Jaredu did pidgin crash? | 17:19 |
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| chirpsalot | well I best be off, tata | 17:23 |
| bstock | hey what's best way to get term on freshly-flashed n810? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | bstock: scroll down in the utilities menu ;) | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open up Xterminal from utilities | 17:24 |
| aquatix | bstock: find it in Utils menu | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | See? | 17:24 |
| johnx | OS2008 includes an x terminal | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | When wise men agree. . . . | 17:24 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:24 |
| piguet | Hi! How do you edit your own entries in maemo.org Downloads ? | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | piguet, login, click "Page" on the little floating gray toolbar. | 17:25 |
| piguet | GeneralAntilles: hem, and then? Sorry to sound dumb, but I already tried Edit metadata and Show revision history... | 17:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me check my entry real quick. | 17:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits for Downloads to load. | 17:28 | |
| X-Fade | piguet: How about: Page -> Edit? :) | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ Or that guy can help you | 17:29 |
| piguet | I don't have Edit | 17:29 |
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| X-Fade | piguet: What application? | 17:29 |
| piguet | and I'm logged... but I hadn't a .install URL when I first submitted it | 17:29 |
| piguet | Hike | 17:29 |
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| piguet | ...so maybe it wasn't approved and I have no right on it | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was it created automatically from the Extras entry? | 17:30 |
| piguet | No, I've given up with Extras | 17:30 |
| bstock | oh nice, it comes with term app now? | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | bstock, since November last year. | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | piguet, what application? | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | piguet: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/edit/e14cc1da6a4611dd9390a9c54c9633bc33bc.html ? | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 17:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles learns to read. | 17:30 | |
| piguet | I have my own rep at http://nyctergatis.com/hike | 17:31 |
| bstock | really..? i flashed one not that long ago and didn't find one.. guess i overlooked then | 17:31 |
| piguet | (follow the install link) | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | piguet, don't expect much good will putting up your own repository. :) | 17:31 |
| bstock | oh wait, i need to get root, not just term | 17:31 |
| bstock | that's what i had to do | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 17:31 |
| infobot | root-access is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grab rootsh from Extras. | 17:31 |
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| piguet | isn't "Downloads" supposed to work with other reps? | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | eek | 17:32 |
| piguet | aren't .install supposed to be for non-maemo repositories? | 17:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles can, apparently, also, edit that entry. | 17:32 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did you change my permissions? :P | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | piguet, no, .installs are to make installing applications easier. | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Everybody can edit everything. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | From any repository. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 17:32 |
| piguet | GeneralAntilles: you mean *you* can edit my entry? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | It is a wiki ;) | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Downloads entry? | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 17:33 |
| piguet | yes | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 17:33 |
| piguet | let me check that again... | 17:33 |
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| piguet | are you supposed to have editing rights when you're logged in? | 17:34 |
| * rm_you is leavin', on a jet plane. Doesn't know when he'll be back again. | 17:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You're going to get hijacked and diverted to Cuba. | 17:35 |
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| piguet | me? why? :-) | 17:36 |
| mikkov_ | This object was locked by Ryan Abel. Lock will expire on 15.09.2008 19:31:02. | 17:36 |
| mikkov_ | yes, editing hike works ;) | 17:36 |
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| mikkov_ | somebody should tell prism guy that he can edit entries in downloads | 17:38 |
| pusling | is the gps expected to be 10-30 mtinutes to get fix? and to need 6-7 sattelites ? | 17:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | More than 6 for a decent fix. | 17:38 |
| mikkov_ | there is four prism entries at downloads | 17:39 |
| pusling | GeneralAntilles: isn't that ... many ? | 17:39 |
| piguet | where is the Edit button??? I get this: http://nyctergatis.com/hike/hike-downloads.png | 17:39 |
| rm_you | ok. see ya'll like... tomorrow | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll usually be able to see about 9-12 in a good situation | 17:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you're seeing a lot less than that, then the signal probably isn't very good, either. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which, with the N810's GPS, makes things particularly bad | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you installed AGPS? | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | the AGPS UI could be better :) | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but it does help. | 17:41 |
| pusling | GeneralAntilles: I have installed the AGPS beta application, yes. But I don't know how I use it :/ | 17:41 |
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| aquatix | the temperature sensor in the n810 is one in the screen right? it says 37C in omweather now :) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | The one near the screen on the N810 is a light sensor iirc | 17:43 |
| aquatix | no, talking about temperature | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: It is in the touchscreen yes. | 17:43 |
| aquatix | omweather applet can read it and show the info | 17:43 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: thanks | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Or at least part of the touchscreen related hardware. | 17:44 |
| * aquatix has a comfortably warm tablet ;) | 17:44 | |
| piguet | I've just checked with Firefox in case there is a Safari incompatibility. Same problem. | 17:44 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: charging and streaming 160kbit audio over a low-quality wifi link | 17:44 |
| piguet | mikkov_: have you got the same menu as me in http://nyctergatis.com/hike/hike-downloads.png ? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah, I have that with vagalume too. | 17:45 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: hey, i didn't realise vagalume was ported too | 17:45 |
| * aquatix installs | 17:45 | |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Ported? | 17:46 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: well, maemo version | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Made for :) | 17:46 |
| aquatix | oh, meh :) | 17:46 |
| aquatix | d'oh, that's the first sentence on its site | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | It is in Extras. | 17:47 |
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| * aquatix doesn't use last.fm clients that much | 17:47 | |
| aquatix | i generally only scrobble | 17:47 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: k, thanks | 17:47 |
| * aquatix installs | 17:47 | |
| andrewfblack | I need to try and put some of my themes in extras sometimes | 17:47 |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: you should :) | 17:48 |
| aquatix | not enough themes | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: You can try it out in extras-devel.. | 17:48 |
| * aquatix is considering doing one himself | 17:48 | |
| mikkov_ | piguet: you are in the wrong page. go here https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/hike/ | 17:50 |
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| piguet | mikkov_: thanks a lot, that looks much better! | 17:51 |
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| piguet | The page is locked now, but I guess I have just to wait a little bit | 17:52 |
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| X-Fade | Or ask GeneralAntilles to leave the page ;) | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not there. . . . | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You need to edit it and hit cancel. | 17:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 17:58 | |
| X-Fade | Or poor piguet needs to wait 2 hours :) | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't an edit conflict be easier? | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ala mediawiki | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | or mid-air collision | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | Well, things like bugzilla is lame. | 17:59 |
| andrewfblack | isn't there a guide to tell you how to put your files into extras and extra-dlevel somewhere | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least it doesn't lock people out when somebody looks at an edit page and doesn't do anything. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 17:59 |
| infobot | hmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 17:59 |
| andrewfblack | thanks | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: If something is not clear, please let me know. So I can update it.. | 18:00 |
| piguet | Source packages seems too complicated for me at this stage | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | Although I will leave for berlin tomorrow ;) | 18:01 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade I'll let you know | 18:01 |
| piguet | I have just a makefile which builds the .deb binary package without deb tools | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lock should be expiring momentarily. . . . | 18:01 |
| piguet | it integrates better with my workflow | 18:02 |
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| X-Fade | piguet: I bet you don't use autotools either ;) | 18:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: Check the page again | 18:02 |
| piguet | X-Fade: see you've won! | 18:02 |
| piguet | See http://nyctergatis.com/maemopkg/index.html | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | piguet: Looking at http://nyctergatis.com/maemopkg/index.html, it shouldn't be hard work to put in an install section and a debian folder | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | piguet: Hehe, classic 'lazy packager' type ;) | 18:03 |
| piguet | I guess so... | 18:03 |
| mikkov_ | is the server upgrade going to be ready this week? | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | piguet: Doesn't matter that much. You will probably do it properly on day :) | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: That depends on performance tests. | 18:04 |
| piguet | qwerty12: maybe not hard, but not my top priority now that deb packaging and distribution are ok | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, looks good | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The more prominent application features is probably good for users. | 18:05 |
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| X-Fade | andrewfblack: Invitation is on the mail. | 18:10 |
| andrewfblack | X-Fade thanks | 18:11 |
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| piguet | I've uploaded the script I use now at http://nyctergatis.com/maemopkg/ . I also build Packages.gz with another custom script which I run on a Mac, without Debian utilities. | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | piguet: i'd personally use dpkg-deb maybe.. the problem with this way is that it's not a way to include stuff into extras :/ | 18:21 |
| piguet | Yes, I've noticed that :-( | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to make something really nice, make a mini-dpkg-buildpackage or something | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't need a shitload of dependancies | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | Or check out what pypackager does. | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | or a simple dh_make | 18:22 |
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| piguet | I'll have a look during my next holydays... | 18:22 |
| * Stskeeps will be either needing a minimal dpkg-buildpackage or using dpkg-deb for deblet :P | 18:22 | |
| X-Fade | piguet: Advantage of source packages is, that we can automatically make it available in new releases etc. | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | And recompile when some dependencies need changes. | 18:23 |
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| Sargun_Screen | is there no chess, for maemo? | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, it's bundled. . . . | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse nvram | 18:32 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nvram ! | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Sargun_Screen: Like GeneralAntilles says but I think there is a dodgy compile of scud/scid (something like that) too | 18:32 |
| jaska | id guess reincarnating as a windows vista admin would be worse | 18:33 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, nvram? is this on a router or something? | 18:33 |
| Sargun_Screen | jaska: vista can be administered? | 18:33 |
| jaska | not sure | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | jaska: yeah, I remember my "Administrator" account not actually being a admin account unless I disabled UAC or unlocked real admin. I thought fuck it and reinstalled xp | 18:33 |
| jaska | it can be installed.. and reinstalled | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: yeah, I'm doing some router programming, currently working on a cgi to let me enable snmp from web interface | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | (atm, I have a specified config file for snmp that can only be changed if I regenerate the image for the router and snmp starts up automatically and the only way to stop that is to ssh in and killall snmpd or regenerate the image and remove the snmpd line from the rcS (not a nice solution) so I'm getting it to read if it should start from the nvram instead) | 18:36 |
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| andrewfblack | you know I keep seeing so many fake Cell phone nock offs I almost want to buy one | 18:51 |
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| qwerty12 | nokla ftw | 18:52 |
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| andrewfblack | I mean if I'm going ot own an Iphone it might as well run WM6 | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | My friend is actually excited about receiving a nokla N95. :/ | 18:53 |
| Sargun_Screen | the n96 is prettyy cool | 18:53 |
| andrewfblack | my question is is it a real thing or do they just steal your money and run | 18:53 |
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| Sargun_Screen | andrewfblack: ask them? | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | It's "real" in the sense that it functions but excepting interface and design knockoffs, it is not the original product. | 18:55 |
| * qwerty12 learned not to trust clones after looking at sat boxes... | 18:55 | |
| andrewfblack | qwerty12 yeah I know its not the real thing but I just figured it was a photoshop image they made you send them the money and you get nothing. Hey atleast your getting a knock off | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | My favourite knock off is : http://www.totalmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/dio-and-gomez.jpg | 18:57 |
| andrewfblack | I would pay $125 for a phone that looks like an Iphone that runs WM6 just to convince my friends that its the new iphone protoype lol | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | lolz at least the iphone has some form of bsd, wm6 can burn :P | 18:58 |
| nemo | qwerty12: not just some form of BSD, iphone was running apache by July 2007 | 18:58 |
| andrewfblack | can you say worst keyboard ever http://solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1370 | 18:58 |
| nemo | qwerty12: and had a full BSD subsystem | 18:58 |
| nemo | qwerty12: nowdays, it runs X11 too :D | 18:58 |
| nemo | qwerty12: I was SSHing into my S.O.'s iphone within one week of having purchased it last summer | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | nemo: ha, that's pretty cool :). Although apache doesn't make me excited as Nokia already ported it to S60 a long time before the iphone :) | 18:59 |
| nemo | qwerty12: well, point is how easy it was | 18:59 |
| nemo | qwerty12: 3rd party community basically just rebuilt it for iphone ARM arch | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, and 770 did it in 2005! | 18:59 |
| nemo | qwerty12: all the BSD APIs were already there | 18:59 |
| Fatal | andrewfblack: heh, ewww. (took a while to load, so thought you meant the keypad first, speaking of which, have you seen siemens old sx1?) | 18:59 |
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| nemo | qwerty12: that being said, much more excited about the Nokia N8x0/N9x0 since they seem to be less of control freaks about those models than apple is | 19:00 |
| nemo | qwerty12: although Nokia can be control-freakish about their phones, no question. | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | nemo: for sure, symbian signing pissed me off for a long time >.< | 19:01 |
| nemo | and of course, symbian is a PoS in general | 19:01 |
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| * qwerty12 is quite fond of Symbian, I <3 the range of apps on it | 19:02 | |
| nemo | DOS wannabe more convoluted than the MFC | 19:02 |
| nemo | qwerty12: Symbian is sheer coder hell | 19:02 |
| andrewfblack | Fatal nope never seen it | 19:02 |
| nemo | the range of apps is a testament to the lack of options out there and coder perserverance | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | nemo: Can't really comment on it, never tried coding on it (then again, I'm not really much of a coder on any platform) | 19:02 |
| * nemo ♥ the iphone far more than symbian | 19:03 | |
| nemo | iphone is a joy to code for, comparatively | 19:03 |
| nemo | even though Symbian is C++ and I've had to learn objc for the iphone | 19:03 |
| andrewfblack | Ok I have found the best cell phone ever http://www.solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1192 | 19:03 |
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| nemo | ok. since I'm typing away in here - anyone have any news on the Nokia N9x0 ? | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | jolouis has made a cool otg swivel adapter for the N800 | 19:08 |
| johnx_ | nemo, no one outside nokia knows anything, no one inside nokia can say anything | 19:08 |
| lcuk | qwerty12 i thought GOD made the best OTG swiver adapter for any handheld device - doesnt the wrist have about 60 bones in it to facilitate many swivellable actions? | 19:09 |
| * lcuk demonstrates | 19:09 | |
| lcuk | .|.. | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | nemo, give it about 3 days. | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | How easy is it to bribe Finns? | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, with the Summit coming up, what'd be the point? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, not very http://chickencrap.com/images/1472.jpg | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, the first (proposed) community council issue is on -community if anybody's interested. | 19:10 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: I get to know 72 hours before? :P | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: lol | 19:10 |
| jaska | why bribe finns? | 19:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaska, a better question, why not bribe Finns? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They clearly have things we want. :P | 19:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should do a demo with VGB and a Wiimote for the Summit. | 19:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, konttori needs to push Wiicontrol to Extras-devel. | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | usbcontrol could do with it being in diablo extras[-devel] too :/ | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think UKMP is in non-free | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody might need to help him with packaging it up for the autobuilder. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet he wouldn't mind if they did. | 19:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, are you a photoshop wiz? | 20:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm OK with it. | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | better with some thing than others. | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | im trying to make a png with a single color but rounded edges - the edges need to be transparent and its doin my nut | 20:19 |
| * jott applies a bevel layer style on GeneralAntilles | 20:19 | |
| lopz | hola | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, add an alpha channel. | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | lol jott | 20:20 |
| jott | lcuk: make it really huge and then scale it down to get anti-aliasing on the edges. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | thx - i tried last night, i shall persever | 20:20 |
| lcuk | e | 20:20 |
| lcuk | ahhhahhh - feathered selection gave what i needed | 20:22 |
| lcuk | i only want a small image and its been a bastard | 20:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alphas are a little funky sometimes. | 20:23 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 20:25 |
| lcuk | it was the sourcde image i was grabbin it from - it was a blended gif with white corners - the alpha grabbing was funky | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | all this just for a test | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | all this just for a test | 20:30 |
| * lcuk will have to stop doing that | 20:30 | |
| * qwerty12 smashes lcuk's keyboard. The North being like it is provides me many places to dump it. | 20:32 | |
| lcuk | OI! | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you have 0ffff source somewhere btw? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | / mtd-tools | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No, but I got the 0xFFFF source from the website using their pvc very easily. | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | pvc? | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Look in my tarball of mtd-tools for initfs, the only change I made was adding -static to LDFLAGS and CFLAGS | 20:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: the 0xFFFF creators own versioning system | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | s/s/ | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ok - should package it i guess :P | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | I hope you don't plan on uploading to extras :P | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | Oh noez, I used -j option of nandwrite and now my tablet is fucked | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | oh no, just deblet apt repo :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | mtd-tools are in debian atleast | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I think the only change I made to that 0xFFFF binary was to make the dump feature of 0xFFFF not ask any questions | 20:40 |
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| barisione | hi, do you know where to find a vnc server for my n810? the only link I find is broken :( | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 20:45 |
| lcuk | rounded rects loaded from a png and stretched to fit look crapper than a crap thing thats just crapped ontop of a sewer | 20:48 |
| qwerty12 | was this on a crap sewer as well? | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | yes | 20:49 |
| qwerty12 | crap | 20:49 |
| lcuk | my thoughts exactly | 20:49 |
| * lcuk moves onto planb | 20:49 | |
| Stskeeps | plan9 for nokia tablets could be interesting. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
| lcuk | indeed it could | 20:50 |
| lcuk | there are many old style tech paradigms which may very well "work" nicely on the tablets | 20:50 |
| lcuk | things which were before their time | 20:50 |
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| dougt | is osso-screenshot-tool available for diablo? | 20:54 |
| dougt | in a default install, apt-get doesn't find it. | 20:54 |
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| XTL | Richard Wright :( | 20:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt, might try this: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-8067fcec9d2111dc80601d8b90fe1baa1baa | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what the status of osso-screenshot-tool is these days. | 20:57 |
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| trenka | MishaS: hehe :) | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn liar. | 21:07 |
| MishaS | trenka, indeed :) | 21:07 |
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| hrw | re | 21:10 |
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| hrw | dougt: there is a load applet which also do screenshots | 21:19 |
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| * MishaS does not aquatix :D | 21:19 | |
| dougt | hrw: thanks. i need somethign I can do from the shell. | 21:19 |
| aquatix | scrot? | 21:19 |
| aquatix | maybe there's a maemo build of it | 21:20 |
| hrw | fbgrab? | 21:20 |
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| Mek | gpe-scap works also quite well | 21:20 |
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| * MishaS had a small tool... but it was long time ago :( | 21:20 | |
| Mek | gpe-scap also has one-click upload to scap.linuxtogo.org | 21:22 |
| MishaS | is gpe-scap ported to maemo? | 21:23 |
| Mek | yeah, it is in extras-devel | 21:24 |
| Mek | (I uploaded it there...) | 21:24 |
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| liri | is it normal to have o a diablo system both repos chinook extras and diablo extras enabled? | 21:24 |
| hrw | liri: not normal but working | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and increasingly pointless. | 21:25 |
| liri | well, what's a normal situation? because I know some apps are available in chinook only and some are avail in diablo only so... | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Diablo Extras for Diablo | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are fewer and fewer apps for which that's the case. | 21:27 |
| MishaS | liri: majority of such applications are "binary only" | 21:27 |
| hrw | like maemo mapper... | 21:27 |
| hrw | which is pain to build | 21:27 |
| MishaS | and having free application in binary only way is bad :D | 21:27 |
| * MishaS ducks and runs... | 21:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Gnuite'll be back from his roadtrip soon. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, go abuse konttori about UKMP | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in non-free for some reason. | 21:28 |
| liri | so would you advise on disabling chinook and enabling diablo? | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, you can have them both enabled without much trouble. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo has newer stuff than Chinook in a few cases. | 21:28 |
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| liri | what does "without much trouble" mean? I don't want to find updates waiting that will cause issues with the tablet | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Means I don't have any specific examples to give | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | but can't guarantee complete safety. | 21:30 |
| MishaS | mek: why not promote to extras? :) | 21:30 |
| * MishaS does not have extras-devel enabled :D | 21:30 | |
| liri | right, I figured as much :) | 21:30 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, nah... :) that's too difficult :D | 21:31 |
| liri | alright, another repo I see on my catalog is diablo/tools - is that ok? what's that for? | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, there's some tasty stuff in there. ;) | 21:31 |
| Mek | MishaS: I don't think I have rights to promote stuff to extras :) | 21:31 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, like scrummvm? :) | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, yes, that's intended for the tablet. | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, like ScummVM. ;) | 21:31 |
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| MishaS | Mek: at the moment everybody who can upload stuff, can promote it :) | 21:31 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: ok | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, avoid the SDK repo, though. | 21:31 |
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| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, re SDK: any specific bad issues with that? | 21:32 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I have a "general" maemo (catalog name: maemo, web address: http://repository.maemo.org, components: free non free) which is disabled... should I enable? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | an apt-get upgrade with it will land you in a reboot loop. | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Largely it's the core-utils stuff. | 21:32 |
| Mek | MishaS: hmm... yeah... it seems that is true :) | 21:32 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: so no harm in enabling it | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you've got Red Pill enabled in Application manager, it'll offer you an "Operating System" update | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | which lands you in a reboot loop. | 21:32 |
| liri | the general maemo repository? | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | liri, that'd be the Chinook SDK repo. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which can be harmful. | 21:33 |
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| Pavlov | whats the best way to take a screenshot on the n810? | 21:33 |
| Pavlov | (diablo) | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, I like VNC | 21:33 |
| MishaS | Mek: i know, you know... :) | 21:33 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has got a little script to take the screenshot, crop it, compress it, upload it to his ftp server and put the URL in the clipboard. | 21:34 | |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: the SDK repo is the "general" maemo mapper which I mentioned now? | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, Maemo Mapper is in Extras. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | repository.maeom.org/extras chinook free non-free | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/maeom/maemo/ | 21:35 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: repository.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | repository.maeom.org/ chinook free non-free is the Chinook SDK repo | 21:35 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, that's an interesting behaviour... | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there are a lot of fun ways to get yourself into a reboot loop. | 21:36 |
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| liri | GeneralAntilles: I didn't have that. I have epository.maeom.org/ free non-free | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, that actually shouldn't exist | 21:36 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: which is for diablo now I guess | 21:36 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I see | 21:36 |
| * MishaS . o O (epository -- that's good :)) | 21:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Since that equates to repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the Diablo SDK moved to repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk free non-free | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, do you happen to have any sway over the tableteer upgrade repository? | 21:38 |
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| drjnut | hi! | 21:41 |
| drjnut | I didn't find nmap for os2008 or diablo | 21:42 |
| drjnut | any hint? | 21:42 |
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| drjnut | looks like /me iz gonna use scapy... | 21:46 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: so it probably something that stayed from when it was chinook, before the upgrade to diablo | 21:47 |
| X-Fade | Ok, bag packed. No let's hope I didn't forget anything. ;) | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | tablet? ;> | 21:48 |
| Mek | last time I visited berlin I had forgotten my toothbrush... :P | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Well, hotels should have kits for that. | 21:49 |
| Mek | yeah, it wasn't really a problem | 21:49 |
| X-Fade | But tablet and 2 spare batteries, check! | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charger? | 21:51 |
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| X-Fade | Sure ;) | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No response for my first community issue proposal? :( | 21:58 |
| derf | I whole-heartedly approve. | 21:59 |
| derf | What was your proposal? | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | Yes, but no time left to answer ;) | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | derf, see maemo-community. | 22:00 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, not so far :) | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody really needs to drag the Maemo release team out of its lame hidey-hole. | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sane and well-written issue | 22:04 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, it depends how you define that hole :) | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately I think all of my agents got on planes, trains and automobiles before they saw the email | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody will have to make sure they see it in Berlin. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: print a printout and a baseball bat | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, well, I've never once seen hide nor hair of somebody I can positively identify as being intimately involved in the release process. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frozen trout | 22:07 |
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| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, i'm one of those :) | 22:07 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, however the responsibility is shared... :) | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, did you see the email on -community? | 22:08 |
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| sneakret | Mailing lists. Ooh. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-September/000908.html | 22:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html | 22:09 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, nah, i'm not subscribed to that list | 22:09 |
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| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, i'll do it now :) | 22:09 |
| sneakret | Thanks, GA! | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, -developers and -community are useful | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | -users is usually just a waste of time | 22:10 |
| sneakret | s/-users/-noobs/ ? | 22:10 |
| sneakret | ;) | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | noobs, trolls, and flamebaiters | 22:10 |
| sneakret | Lovely. | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's quality entertainment if you're in that sort of mood | 22:11 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that sort of mood doesn't come around very often. | 22:11 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, are urho or marius coming for the summit? | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, they should be. | 22:11 |
| sneakret | There are many places on the net to find such entertainment. | 22:11 |
| sneakret | :) | 22:11 |
| X-Fade | MishaS: Both. | 22:11 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, then you know whom to talk to :D | 22:12 |
| sneakret | Are there any successful commercial maemo apps? | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | They both said they couldn't help with this particular issue. <_< | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | sneakret, Rhapsody or Wayfinder, maybe? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise, not really. | 22:13 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, really? :) | 22:13 |
| X-Fade | sneakret: Skype too. | 22:13 |
| sneakret | Ah... yeah, Rhapsody seems like a good model, since it's service-based. | 22:13 |
| sneakret | Ditto Skype. | 22:13 |
| * MishaS has become very curious... | 22:13 | |
| sneakret | I guess WayFinder may be content-driven too--dunno. | 22:14 |
| sneakret | er... service/content | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The service is navigation | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | sneakret: Sure, routing. | 22:14 |
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| sneakret | The function is navigation. The service is probably delivery of up-to-date map data and such. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, at a minimum, osso-software-version-rx*4 needs to be in every upgrade repository. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too easy to accidentally uninstall | 22:15 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, how can you (as a user) accidently uninstall it? :) | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | and easy to get yourself into a reboot loop trying to update without it. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, Red Pill or apt | 22:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If anything at all conflicts with its dependencies | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | it gets removed | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means something as simple as bumping the version on a library | 22:16 |
| hrw | bye | 22:17 |
| derf | The one you really don't want to accidentally remove is libconic. | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it would make my community troubleshooting job if somebody would be kind enough to upload a very small package to diablo-1. :) | 22:17 |
| derf | It's very hard to apt-get anything when you have no network. | 22:17 |
| hrw | libconic suxx | 22:17 |
| derf | (and yes, I've accidentally done that) | 22:17 |
| hrw | libconic is one of ugliest parts of maemo | 22:18 |
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| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, i'm not sure that it's for mere mortals... | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean? | 22:24 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, red pill? apt? | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is apt not a valid tool? | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of people use apt. | 22:24 |
| MishaS | hrw, you might want to provide a constructive feedback at http://bugs.maemo.org | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mere mortals, even. | 22:24 |
| derf | Every Debian user knows how to use apt. | 22:25 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, apt directly is for geeks :D | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hardly | 22:25 |
| derf | And plenty of Ubuntu users. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | DOS is used in the workplace | 22:25 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, mere mortals use "frontends" -- dselect, synaptic, application manager | 22:25 |
| sneakret | I was very happy when apt-get worked in maemo. | 22:25 |
| derf | I have never, in my life, met anyone who actually uses dselect. | 22:25 |
| sneakret | dselect is horrible. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, either way, that's not a valid excuse in this community. | 22:25 |
| MishaS | derf, nice to meet you :) | 22:25 |
| sneakret | That was my first exposure to debian, as a long-time slackware user. | 22:25 |
| sneakret | turned me off for quite a while | 22:26 |
| * MishaS can't grasp synaptics... | 22:26 | |
| derf | I used it for about five seconds once. | 22:26 |
| derf | dselect, that is. | 22:26 |
| sneakret | :) | 22:26 |
| * MishaS is using debian since 96, or something... | 22:26 | |
| sneakret | The keyboard interface in dselect is very non-obvious. | 22:26 |
| * MishaS finds dselect to be _the_ tool | 22:26 | |
| * MishaS is a mere mortal :D | 22:27 | |
| sneakret | Mere mortals should not suffer with dselect! ;) | 22:27 |
| MishaS | sneakret, i'm not suffering at all :D | 22:27 |
| sneakret | Cool then. :) | 22:28 |
| MishaS | sneakret, cool for me :D | 22:28 |
| sneakret | Indeed. | 22:28 |
| __t | hi, here is t from c-base .. again | 22:28 |
| __t | I am currently setting up a dedicated machine for the summit | 22:28 |
| __t | plan is to have a place for storing video/photos/slides/audio | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds nice. | 22:30 |
| __t | first I start with a webserver+mediawiki. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | __t, there's at least one guy there who'll be recording in 720p | 22:30 |
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| andrewfblack | wish I was coming to summit would be a nice time to play with my HD video recorder | 22:37 |
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| __t1 | andrewfblack: what helds you back? | 22:39 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:41 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 22:51 |
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| dmsuperman | Does anybody else have issues where gpe-calendar seems to randomly start giving me alarms at the incorrect time? | 23:10 |
| dmsuperman | I had an event at 1:30PM today, and it went off on time | 23:11 |
| dmsuperman | But it also just went off a second time just now (4:09PM) | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | it might get tricked by deep sleep or the likes? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | if it goes off too late | 23:13 |
| dmsuperman | I haven't put it in sleep mode | 23:13 |
| dmsuperman | It hasn't ran out of battery either | 23:13 |
| dmsuperman | I get the issue quite regularly | 23:14 |
| dmsuperman | It also seems to ignore the fact that past alarms have already gone off | 23:14 |
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| dmsuperman | And occasionally brings them up in the alarm dialog (where you can acknowledge all or dismiss all, etc.) | 23:14 |
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| dmsuperman | I've found the only way to use it without false alarms is to immediately delete the event from my calendar after it occurs | 23:15 |
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| dmsuperman | But then I lose the archive of my past events which I enjoy use of | 23:15 |
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| dmsuperman | Is there another calendar app for os2008? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | think mcalendar also exists | 23:17 |
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| dmsuperman | I'd prefer one that also syncs with google calendar but it's not a requirement | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | an osmo port might be in the cards | 23:17 |
| dmsuperman | osmo? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://clay.ll.pl/osmo/ | 23:18 |
| summatusmentis | mcalendar syncs with google calendar, sort of | 23:18 |
| dmsuperman | summatusmentis: care to expand? | 23:19 |
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| summatusmentis | dmsuperman: the syncing seems to not recognize the difference between am and pm, and syncing recurrences seems to not work correctly as well | 23:21 |
| summatusmentis | I don't know why, you should talk to khertan about that | 23:22 |
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| dmsuperman | summatusmentis: Other than syncing, does it do the basic job of managing tasks/events, and alarming me of them in advance well? | 23:23 |
| dmsuperman | Is it available in the chinook repos? | 23:25 |
| dmsuperman | The .install file on maemo.org seems to point to an invalid installer file | 23:25 |
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| summatusmentis | I don't know if it's available in chinook, and I don't know about alarms. I'm sort of faking my way through gcal->palm cal until mcalendar works better | 23:26 |
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| summatusmentis | dmsuperman: looks like it'll do alarms, but it doesn't seem to sync alarm settings from Google | 23:27 |
| dmsuperman | palm cal? | 23:28 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah, on my Palm Centro, Palm OS Calendar | 23:28 |
| dmsuperman | Oh :( | 23:28 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I have yet to find a perfect Google Calendar syncing solution | 23:29 |
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| dmsuperman | That's not even high on the list of priorities | 23:30 |
| dmsuperman | I just want a calendar that works :( | 23:30 |
| summatusmentis | Google calendar works :) | 23:31 |
| summatusmentis | it'll even send you a text message as a reminder | 23:31 |
| dmsuperman | I don't do text messages | 23:31 |
| dmsuperman | Google calendar also requires internet to use | 23:32 |
| dmsuperman | I need alerts and something that works without internet, otherwise google calendar would work perfectly | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | General: Still here? | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd dump the development | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clutters things up a little too much | 23:59 |
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