IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-09-14

RST38hJaffa: Not every way or solving it or even a valid design is a viable one00:00
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timelyxqwerty12_N800: can you try something for me?00:00
RST38hssvb: that is the point - it is not easily killable :)00:00
qwerty12_N800timelyx: sure00:00
timelyxon your device, use renice to lower the priority of browserd00:00
ssvbRST38h: as I said, it is a separate bug00:00
RST38hssvb: and leaves garbage when killed too00:00
timelyxi.e. make it less important than the rest of the system00:00
JaffaRST38h: indeed, but Bugzilla isn't the right place to discuss new and better architectures.00:00
RST38hJaffa: All I am suggesting in a bug report is to review the decision and possibly return to the previous, simpler design00:01
JaffaRST38h: then that's another bug. Even if it was one process, if it left garbage when killed, that'd be a bug - but not an argument for restructuring it from one process to many00:01
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JaffaRST38h: but that's not a trackable, achievable, measurable or specific issue.00:01
RST38hJaffa: if it were only that - yes00:01
RST38hJaffa: But you can see that there are multiple problems stemming from the client/server design00:02
summatusmentisare there any sketch programs for maemo?00:02
JaffaRST38h: that's what the mailing lists are for00:02
JaffaRST38h: ...and there were multiple problems stemming from a single process design, AIUI.00:02
RST38hIt is not that I am against such design, but you do not make the largest, most crash prone part of your system a server :)00:02
RST38hJaffa: Exactly two afaik00:02
timelyxsummatusmentis: maemopad+00:03
timelyxor the sketch app that ships w/ the tablet00:03
derfGeezus, 1.3GB is not enough to install the scratchbox toolchain.00:03
RST38hJaffa: 1) slow startup (client/server reduces it by 2 seconds) and 2) web browser dies when window does (now it dies when server dies)00:03
timelyxyou could try getting tuxpaint00:03
JaffaA c/s design allows for the option of a browser engine crash to have it restarted with no related UI crash00:03
derfWhat on earth is in that thing?00:03
summatusmentistimelyx: oh, ok, thanks :)00:03
ssvbRST38h: check
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timelyxpersonally on all but my 770 i use sketch from the device00:03
qwerty12_N800timeless: i've done a sudo renice +5 `pidof browserd`00:04
RST38hJaffa: yes, but why would you care for reopnening that window if your browser dies anyway?00:04
timelyxon the 770 i use maemopad+ because i used it as a personal device and grabbed more apps00:04
* timelyx sighs00:04
ssvbRST38h: looks like there is a high chance that third-party plugins may be involved (adblock)00:04
summatusmentistimelyx: your other tablets you don't use as personal devices/00:04
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timelyxsummatusmentis: i work for nokia00:04
timelyxi develop the browser for them00:04
RST38hssvb: disabled it. same thing.00:05
timelyxso they're basically reflash+test victims00:05
summatusmentisoh right, i knew that.00:05
timelyxqwerty12_N800: ok, try loading  the test cases that have been mentioned00:05
timelyxdoes the device respond better?00:05
JaffaRST38h: Having Firefox recover from a crash without restarting and reopening the tabs would be "better" from a user experience point of view.00:05
timelyxJaffa: fwiw, it's half planned too :)00:05
Jaffatimelyx: not going to be demoed next week then? ;-)00:05
timelyxno timeline, but the basic plans were being formulated at the mozilla summit :)00:05
timelyxJaffa: sadly not00:06
RST38hJaffa: yea, but in our case reopening that puny window is a very small part of starting the browser00:06
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RST38hJaffa: Maybe in FireFox, where display interface is more complicated...00:06
ssvbRST38h: IMHO this still needs proper investigation, for example check if other people can reproduce the problem without even installing adblock in the first place00:06
JaffaAnything which minimises the exceedingly slow window opening/redraw code on a tablet is fine by me.00:07
RST38hssvb: You have seen that I have been threatened with a ban for reopening this bug00:07
ssvbRST38h: you are just behaving a bit rude, it's better to calm up and focus on technical issues only00:08
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RST38hssvb: I am stating the facts. See the log.00:08
RST38hJaffa: As I understood things, rendering happens in browserd (which dies)00:08
mavhcJaffa: you should port wimpworks to it00:08
ssvbRST38h: you are too fast to judge what is at fault, and your points do not seem valid to me00:08
RST38hJaffa: Opening a window is cheap though00:08
JaffaRST38h: what'd *really* go down well, of course; is a suggestion on maemo-developer for a design which meets the requirements of a fast start-up time and a crash proof UI. Perhaps involving a more staged, componentised system?00:09
Jaffamavhc: oh, blimey - a mavhc. I'd seen you here and my brain's just gone "duh"00:09
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jotthow about releasing the source code and disable the server part as one wishes :)00:10
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timelyxjott: you don't want to hear the story about that00:10
JaffaA WimpWorks port seems a little... complex.00:10
timelyxcan we not go there?00:10
jotttimelyx: it's not up to you. i know :(00:10
RST38hJaffa: Well, crash proof won't do00:12
qwerty12_N800browserd reniced at +5 is giving problems with that livejournal (no usercontent.css +  plugins disabled).. i'll try a renice @ -500:12
RST38hJaffa: It is based on FF and FF is resource hungry and NOT crash proof00:12
crashanddieJaffa, I LUVZ YOOOOOOO00:12
RST38hJaffa: So whatever component encapsulates FF's renderer and JS will crash00:12
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* crashanddie loves it when there's a talk about a "crash" on IRC00:13
crashanddiebeep, beep, beep00:13
rm_youyour own fault for adding notify on "crash"00:13
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rm_you... i added notify no "rm" >_> which causes no end of beeping on #gentoo and #debian00:13
RST38hJaffa: I would make it configurable (i.e. UI looks for browserd, does not find it, and loads FF DLLs by itself)00:13
rm_yous/notify no/notify on/00:14
infobotrm_you meant: ... i added notify on "rm" >_> which causes no end of beeping on #gentoo and #debian00:14
Fataltimelyx: post 140, very good btw00:14
Fataljust finished reading it00:14
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rm_youalright, may do that00:14
rm_yougah wrong window00:14
RST38hJaffa: OR maybe have the main window process act as a server for other windows, dunno00:15
Jaffacrashanddie: sorry ;-)00:16
JaffaRST38h: which is similar to how Chrome approaches the problem, I think. I think you'll catch more flies with honey (or however it goes), and I think timelyx is right: Bugzilla isn't really the right place for logging design concerns.00:17
crashanddierm_you, I left #gentoo because of the crash beeping00:17
ssvbRST38h: ok, you suggest a major change in design and you are not sure if it will solve the problems, what's the point then?00:17
ssvbRST38h: you can have a look at the design of captive (, it was used to provide ntfs read/write support before ntfs3g got developed00:18
ssvbRST38h: it had to rely on unreliable closed source binary drivers from windows00:18
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timelyxqwerty12-N800: yeah sorry, i hate renice because the man / help is awful00:19
* timelyx can never remember which way to go00:19
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timelyxFatal: thanks :)00:20
Jaffatimelyx: higher number is "nicer" to everythiing else, i.e. higher number == lower priority.00:21
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* Jaffa always has to think about it00:21
qwerty12-N800timelyx: yeah :), watchdog rebooted my tablet though. probably didn't help that i was untarring a 80mb bz2 at the same time :/. i used htop to do it00:21
* qwerty12-N800 is used to the windows way of priority thinking which imho is better00:22
timelyxqwerty12-N800: anyway, if you can find a way that makes the device happier than default00:22
timelyxoh, the windows way is *much* better00:22
timelyxbah, unix sucks00:22
Fataltimelyx: curiously enough, the one garfield minus garfield strip I've found to describe some of my workdays (saved by my rss2imap thankfully) got deleted, but here, I think you need it:
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RST38hJaffa: I am not interesting in creating a better world.00:23
infobotRST38h meant: Jaffa: I am not interested in creating a better world.00:23
RST38hJaffa: Just making some comments while passing by.00:24
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derfOkay, it took 2.8 GB to install.00:25
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timelyxderf: fwiw, i recommend the maemo vm which is at least a 4gb vm00:26
timelyxi can't remember how big, but it's a barely reasonable minimum and has a decent default set of stuff00:27
derftimelyx: There's now way I can get that much free disk space.00:27
timelyxi've actually asked the person who made it to make a bigger vm00:27
timelyxderf: what os?00:27
timelyxZFS/NTFS support compression00:27
timelyxhrm... ebuild install solaris00:27
derfI hate Solaris.00:27
derfAlmost more than Windows.00:28
timelyxtechnically there are a few file systems linux supports that can do compression00:28
timelyxi just wouldn't trust any of them ;-)00:28
derfYes, neither would I.00:28
ssvbderf: buy a new hard drive? ;)00:29
derfssvb: At some point I will just get a new laptop.00:29
ssvbderf: you are using gentoo on laptop?00:29
derfThis was the largest 2.5 GB drive they sold at the time.00:30
derfssvb: Yes.00:30
derf*2.5 inch00:30
timelyxhow big?00:30
derf100 GB00:30
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derfI constantly run with about 100 MB free.00:30
timelyxcould be worse00:31
timelyxmy laptop hit <1mb free a few weeks ago00:31
timelyxthat kinda broke firefox00:31
derfOh, that happens all the time.00:31
timelyxbecause the sqlengine got into a out of disk condition00:31
derfI don't use Firefox.00:31
timelyxand doesn't reset00:31
* timelyx shrugs00:32
timelyxyou can't use wine for google chrome atm00:32
ssvbderf: 100GB should be more than enough, probably you just need to find and remove/backup some rarely used crap :)00:32
timelyxwine is missing a bunch of things :)00:32
* qwerty12-N800 doesn't like google chrome00:32
derfI don't know what the new toolchain has in it, but it uses 2.1 GB more disk space than the old one.00:32
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derfssvb: I do image processing research.00:33
derf100 GB is nowhere near enough.00:33
ssvbderf: ouch00:33
derfI'd stick a 1 TB drive in here if they made one.00:33
derfAnd I'd still fill it up.00:33
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timelyxderf: do you really need to do the research locally?00:34
timelyxi do all my work remotely00:34
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derftimelyx: I travel a lot, and internet access is not always plentiful.00:35
timelyxfirewire external drive? :)00:35
derfPlus I like to be able to see the images without sucking them down through a 32kbps straw.00:35
derfYeah, I probably should, but I don't trust any of them, and they're a PITA to lug around with everything else.00:36
timelyxderf: how small is your straw today?00:36
* mavhc loves chrome, mostly because I'm the guy with 160 tabs in firefox using 1GB of ram and using procexp to find out that flash thread is using 99% cpu00:36
derfI'm actually home today, so 200 K/s down.00:37
timelyxderf: try it :)00:37
lcuk_busytimelyx, what are you stress testing? your server or loading on device?00:37
timelyxlcuk_busy: any device00:37
timelyxthe server is dream host, it'll deal00:37
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timelyxlcuk_busy: fwiw, that's killed a bunch of boxes00:37
timelyxincluding some BSDs00:37
timelyxsome phones, a samsung Q1 (?), ...00:38
timelyxit's a fun page00:38
lcuk_busyfirefox is up at 500mb actual 700 page00:38
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timelyxfirefox these days actually does reasonably well00:38
timelyxiirc it actually killed chrome once00:38
* timelyx was amused by that00:38
lcuk_busythat shows something cool00:39
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lcuk_busynow its loaded, at rest at a location firefox is stable at 153mb and 322mb00:39
timelyxyeah, it took quite a few years before firefox finally handled it well00:40
lcuk_busywhen i move it shoots up to 900mb and 1.3gb before settling back down when i stop again00:40
timelyxthat's expected00:40
timelyxfrom memory n4/ie5 used 885mb to load the page00:40
lcuk_busythats impressive - thats its dynamic caching in effect00:40
timelyxthe difference between that number and the 1.2g number is the alpha channel00:41
timelyxn4/ie5 didn't do alpha00:41
* lcuk_busy tips his hat to the developer :)00:41
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timelyxso it was cheaper for them :(00:41
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qwerty12-N800~lart box.net00:42
* infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on box.net00:42
lcuk_busyi was considering loading the images as a stress test on the device00:42
lcuk_busyuntil i noticed how many there were00:42
timelyxiirc there's an ostress.html and mstress.html00:42
timelyxthey're smaller versions00:42
timelyxfwiw microb does fairly well00:43
timelyxor at least did the last time we tried00:43
qwerty12-N800i loaded the link because it said nsfw00:43
lcuk_busyit crashed ff when i reran it00:43
Pavlovhey, i'm trying to get oprofile setup on my n810 -- looking at -- two questions: is it possible to install the kernel on the device with this flasher tool, or do i need to do it from my desktop, and either way, where do i get the tool?00:44
timelyxPavlov: google for flasher should find it00:44
summatusmentisdoes anyone else run into issues when running a browser and pidgin? Like, lots of lag, sometimes the browser not loading things because of low memory, etc.00:44
timelyxthere are plenty of wiki pages for that00:44
derfHey, Copenhagen!00:44
derfI've been there.00:44
qwerty12-N800Pavlov: you can flash the kernel from the device itself00:44
PavlovPage "HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux" not found in wiki Wiki.00:45
timelyxderf: where did you see copenhagen?00:45
derftimelyx: The mermaid.00:45
timelyxPavlov: gah, i hate our wiki reorgs, one sec00:45
derfI mean, I've been to that exact spot.00:45
timelyxderf: i haven't loaded stress in perhaps a year, direct url? :)00:46
timelyxJaffa, is dead??!00:46
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timelyxPavlov: google cache would work ...00:47
crashanddietimelyx, https works00:47
RST38hall right, input cues show up with fb0, sleep time00:47 ?00:47
timelyxPavlov: that link should work...00:47
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qwerty12-N800crashanddie: did you get the kismet stuff sorted?00:47
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, yup00:48
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, thanks00:48
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timelyxderf: hrm, i'll have to go there and see it00:48
timelyxit's sad, but i can't recall the picture00:48
crashanddiePavlov, does RantPavlov ring a bell?00:48
timelyxi thought i'd kinda memorized all of them00:48
Pavlovtimelyx: hrm, none of these seem to say how to flash a new kernel on the device itself00:49
timelyxPavlov: that's a new thing00:49
timelyxbut that page *should* mention it  :)00:49
timelyxanyway that page does have the link to get flasher00:49
qwerty12-N800Pavlov: running diablo?00:49
timelyxand instructions for via usb00:49
timelyxhe better be :)00:50
Pavlovqwerty12-N800: yeah, i had this all working before i upgraded ;p00:50
derfSo, seamonkey is cheating.00:50
derfIt's using 230 M, but X is using 1.3 GB.00:50
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qwerty12-N800Pavlov: sudo fiasco-flasher -f -k ;)00:50
Pavlovtimelyx: yeah, i just can't find my usb cable00:50
timelyxderf: btw Pavlov's the guy who did most of that work00:50
timelyxso that hat tip is to him :)00:51
Pavlovwhich work?00:51
timelyxmaking use reasonable amounts of ram :)00:51
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timelyxqwerty12-N800: fix the wiki ;-)00:52
Pavlovstill a little excessive00:52
qwerty12-N800timelyx: I'm on a tablet + i'm tired + my wiki knowledge sucks :p00:52
timelyxPavlov: more fixes welcome ;-)00:53
timelyxqwerty12-N800: alright, find a partner, maybe derf or crashanddie :)00:53
Pavlovgot a few things up my sleaves00:53
crashanddiewait, what?00:53
Pavlovsleeves too00:53
crashanddieqwerty12-N800 can't be my partner00:53
qwerty12-N800+ I'm also dreaming up the perfect configure line to compile net-snnp for mips00:53
crashanddiehe's under age, I'd end up in prison00:53
timelyxcrashanddie: i had that experience dancing one day in San Francisco00:54
timelyxamusing story, but i don't think i'll archive it here00:54
timelyxask me @summit ;-)00:54
qwerty12-N800crashanddie: psst, ask timelyx and tell me and i'll post it everywhere00:55
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, i'm not going to the summit00:55
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jonekhi, where can I find 'pand' on the N810 with diablo? it doesn't seem to be included in bluez-utils anymore... where is it gone?00:57
* qwerty12-N800 had wished that someone would have put subversion in diablo extras by now... i may get off my ass and do it soon :/00:57
qwerty12-N800jonek: bluez-utils-test00:58
crashanddietimelyx, what do you want me to do?00:59
timelyxexplain how to use fiasco-flasher from the tablet in the flashing article on wiki.maemo.org01:00
jonekqwerty12-N800: thx -  which repository do I have to include to get it?01:00
Pavlovi thikn i am oprofile enabled01:00
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derfWhich sb devkits do I need for maemo again?01:01
qwerty12-N800jonek: sorry but i'm too tired to dig up the info, deb is here though;
jonekqwerty12-N800: thx01:02
timelyxthat should be the normal diablo system repo..01:03
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crashanddietimelyx, I have no idea how to do that :P01:03
timelyxqwerty12-N800 seems to01:04
timelyxget him to explain :)01:04
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qwerty12-N800oh, it's easy :). add a pointer to the root access page that is on the wiki and run sudo gainroot and fiasco-flasher -f -k <kernel zImage> to flash a kernel. to flash an initfs is the same except you fiasco-flasher -R -f -k <initfs jffs2 image>01:07
qwerty12-N800*fiasco-flasher -R -f -i <initfs jffs2 image>01:07
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* Stskeeps watches his armel qemu install debian..01:10
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derfSo, anyway, I can't get anything to actually run with that toolchain.01:13
derf./qrreader: error while loading shared libraries: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument01:14
derfThis is me giving up again.01:14
derfI should have just given up in the first place.01:15
timelyxthat sounds familiar01:15
timelyxiirc it means your linux kernel is configured broken01:15
timelyxplease don't ask me to try to remember the specific flag which results in totally unusable scratchboxes01:15
timelyxbut iirc it's googlable01:15
derfWorks just fine with the 2005 toolchain.01:16
derfI do remember having to flip a kernel option to get sb working initially.01:16
derfBut I think I'm beyond the point of caring enough to mess around with compiling new kernels.01:16
timelyxno recompile required01:17
timelyxit's something twiddable in /proc01:17
derfGoogle suggests /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield, but I don't have that.01:21
ssvbderf: you need an updated cputransparency package with a new qemu01:21
ssvbderf: at least that's what I needed to run executables built with a new toochain in scratchbox01:23
derfIs that going to need another 2 GB in disk space?01:23
derfBecause I haven't got it.01:24
timelyxit shouldn't01:24
derfI wouldn't have thought a dev toolchain would, either.01:24
* timelyx shrugs01:24
timelyxit's basically a full os :)01:25
timelyxglibc on up01:25
timelyxotoh, i'm still curious as to what was eating the space :)01:25
timelyxget a visualizer and ask it :)01:25
derfI'm pretty sure Gentoo's full toolchain is nowhere near that large.01:25
ssvbderf: gentoo's minimal installation is also pretty large01:27
derfSure, but I don't need a whole system.01:27
derfI just need a compiler.01:27
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ssvbderf: have you tried crossdev in gentoo by the way?01:28
derfI think I used that for mingw32 compiling.01:28
derfBut maybe I used something else.01:28
ssvbit can be also used for ARM01:29
derfAnyway... qemu-arm-cvs-m?01:29
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derfThat seems to be the only new option.01:29
derfAnd now my code works.01:29
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derfLots of fun messages from the assembler like01:32
derf{standard input}:20032: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different01:32
derfBut since it works I'll assume they're harmless.01:32
ssvbit's a harmless warning for ARMv601:34
ssvbgas is too pedantic here, reporting a problem that is not relevant for ARMv601:36
jonekI am running a pan bluetooth connection between my N810 and my PC but dns doesn't work although I followed the dnsmasq instructions on I can ping my nameserver's IP and nslookup <DNS IP> works fine in xterm. but a nslookup doesn't work - what is the problem?01:38
ssvbderf: btw, any plans for ARM optimizations for theora?01:41
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derfssvb: Yes. As soon as I learn ARM asm.01:41
ssvbderf: ok, I see, I just thought about looking at improving ffmpeg theora decoder01:43
derfssvb: Making it work would be nice.01:44
ssvbas it is going to be used for video on web, it might make sense to give it a hand01:44
ssvbi'm sick of flash :)01:44
derfssvb: There's still work that could be done on the C portions of libtheoradec, if you're bored.01:44
ssvbI like LGPL license a bit better :)01:46
derfEven RMS approves of us using BSD.01:47
towoWhich seriously is not a strong argument at all.01:48
timelyxlcuk_busy fwiw talks about the memory behavior, it wasn't all pavlov01:51
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crashanddiew00t, I have 7 karma points :D01:55
* Proteous removes all 7 of crashanddie's points for bragging01:56
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derflardman|gone: QR code decoding committed.02:01
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ssvbderf: are you still here?03:09
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derfssvb: Yes.03:19
ssvbderf: I was just checking vorbis spec, looks page is cut on the right side in pdf file, page 3603:21
ssvbbut I found the same information in html already03:21
derfI don't think we can even generate the PDF version anymore.03:22
derfDocBook has bitrotted out from underneath us.03:22
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ssvbanyway, what does "packet undecodable" mean? what the compliant decoder should do in this case?03:22
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derfI don't think the specification ever says.03:24
derfSo you can do anything "reasonable".03:24
derfE.g., substitute silence, throw the samples away, try to do some more sophisticated interpolation...03:25
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derfThe only real guarantee is that a compliant decoder correctly decodes compliant streams.03:26
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ssvbI see, thanks. Cloning 'oggdec' behaviour would be the best choice probably03:27
derfIt should certainly be a reasonable choice.03:27
derfWhatever you do, don't try to decode partial data that may be corrupt.03:28
derfYou might blow out Monty's speakers.03:28
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GeneralAntillesNice, an iPhone article finally made it to Planet04:57
GeneralAntillesThat certainly sounds like a sign-off letter, can we stop syndicating his blog then?04:57
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timelyxyeah, delist him05:01
* GeneralAntilles is writing the flasher usage page.05:04
* GeneralAntilles wonders how, exactly, fiasco-flasher plans on flashing the rootfs.05:04
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dontupanicdoes this room have a question bot set up ?05:05
dontupanicthank you05:06
GeneralAntillesinfobot, say hello.05:06
timelyxyeah, don't use ~help, you'll regret it05:06
timelyxit's just infobot05:06
dontupanicinfobot update n81005:07
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
dontupanicya that is more like it. thanks all05:08
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mdganyone using a bluetooth adapter with their PC to connect to their N770?05:33
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mdgMy 770 sees my desktop computer via bluetooth, but when I try to pair I get a message that there are no services available?05:35
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timelyxare you telling us or asking us?05:37
timelyxbecause we really don't know your computer :)05:37
infobotmethinks boot-sd is
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mdgMy 770 tells me there are no services, but I have enabled all bluetooth services on my desktop05:39
timelyxwhat services does your desktop claim to offer?05:40
timelyxbluez-utils or bluez-utils-test has tools which let you browse bluetooth services05:41
timelyxin case you don't trust us05:41
mdginput service, network service, audio service and serial service - all "running"05:41
timelyxlook at the bluez commandline tool and see what it says05:42
timelyxbut which of those did you expect the 770 to use?05:42
mdginput or network05:43
timelyxnetwork is probably pand which we definitely didn't ship support for05:43
GeneralAntillesinput is presumably HID05:43
timelyxsupposedly pand is in bluez-utils(-test)05:43
GeneralAntilleswhich the 770 doesn't provide05:43
timelyxGeneralAntilles: provide as client or server?05:44
GeneralAntillesWell, you can connect a keyboard to the 770, but you can't make the 770 behave as a keyboard for the computer.05:44
timelyxbut yeah HID was a feature we only vaguely supported w/ n800 and later05:44
GeneralAntillesNot without 3rd party software, anyway.05:44
infobotGnome/GTK Newsreader. URL:
timelyxGeneralAntilles: i'm pretty sure he's trying to do the former05:44
GeneralAntilles~bluetooth-pan is
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay05:45
mdgwhat about the other way around - use the computer keyboard to run the 770?05:45
timelyxmdg: there's a keyboard control panel applet iirc05:45
timelyxand maybe a second one labeled something else...05:45
mdgfor os2006?05:46
GeneralAntillesmdg, VNC is the easier way to go about getting that05:46
timelyxkeyboard as an applet shipped w/ the os05:46
timelyxbut yeah05:46
timelyxby the time you're there, what's the point05:46
timelyxuse vnc :)05:46
mdgtried VNC last night - no go - I got a weird network setup apparently05:46
timelyxinstall ssh(-server)05:47
mdgI have one wireless desktop that I would love to use to access the 770, wifi is provided by a belkin router05:47
mdgssh-server on the desktop or the 770?05:48
timelyxpersonally i'd stick both on both05:49
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timelyxit makes life simpler05:49
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mdgcan I make a "mini" network between my wireless desktop and 770, not using wifi from router?05:49
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mdgI have open sshserver on 77005:50
timelyxbut if you have to ask, then you'll probably regret trying to do it :)05:50
mdgwould that be considered an ad hoc connection - wireless desktop to 770?05:50
timelyxis the desktop wired to the router or wireless?05:50
GeneralAntillesmdg, you did install x11vnc on the tablet, right?05:50
mdgthe one I want to setup is wireless (the one I am using now is not).  Yes X11vnc on 77005:51
GeneralAntillesand you started it from the menu?05:51
mdgwill try starting it now ->>05:52
mdgokay, nothing happens when I start it from the menu - I must be missing something05:52
GeneralAntillesIf you got a "connection refused" when trying to connect with VNC from your computer to your tablet, then the vnc server on the tablet wasn't started.05:52
GeneralAntillesNah, it doesn't give any notification.05:52
GeneralAntillesWell, it works. . . .05:53
timelyxno one considered adding a system notification area thing?05:53
GeneralAntillesThey may have, but it's basically a recompile.05:53
GeneralAntillesNot even available in a repository.05:53
mdgnext step would be what?  Open a terminal on 770?05:53
GeneralAntillesTry to connect to VNC from the computer.05:53
mdgI'm at my wired desktop right now - I don't think it will do anything05:55
mdgI will try and see what happens05:55
mdgI type "vncserver" and it tells me "New 'x' Desktop is name-desktop:1"05:57
GeneralAntillesYou want the client05:57
GeneralAntillesYou're connecting to a server05:57
mdgso I should be typing "vncclient?"05:58
mdgwhat would client app be called?  vncclient didn't work05:59
GeneralAntillesIsn't Mint Ubuntu-based?06:00
GeneralAntillesIs there a "Terminal Server Client" in the application menu somewhere?06:00
mdgI don't see "terminal Server client"06:01
GeneralAntillesMaybe if you want a GUI.06:01
GeneralAntillesbef0rd sounds like he can help here. ;)06:01
mdgso I should download tightvnc - let me check in synaptic06:02
bef0rdmdg, try typing on a terminal 'vncviewer'06:02
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mdgvncviewer is installed on my desktop and it came up with a little box asking for ip address06:04
mdgshoot - I forgot what my Nokia's IP is06:04
GeneralAntilles~flasher is
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles06:05
GeneralAntillestimelyx ^06:05
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mdgI forgot how to see the IP address of my 77006:07
timelyxconnection manager's app menu has a way..06:08
timelyxGeneralAntilles: This is a sentence. this is not a proper sentence.06:08
mdggot it - thanks!06:08
GeneralAntillesI didn't bother to proof it06:09
timelyxIt is available for Linux and OS X (OS X users can only use flasher-2.0, but it will work the same as flasher-3.0) from here06:09
timelyxusing "here" sucks06:09
timelyx<Download flasher> for Linux and OS X (...).06:09
mdgIt say "Unable to connect to VNC server"  and "vncviewer:  ConnectToTcpAddr:  connect:  No route to host06:10
timelyxGeneralAntilles: err.. the instructions for flashing say not to plug the device into power06:10
mdgthat's my weird network setup again right?06:11
timelyxthe risk is that its state is wrong06:11
timelyxor that it loses power when you trip on the cable06:11
GeneralAntillesWell, you're fine to plug it into power after it's in flashing-mode.06:11
timelyxthat's the general theory06:12
timelyxi haven't checked w/ the people who work on it06:12
timelyxi do know that the windows flasher goes to extremes to tell you *not* to leave it plugged in while flashing06:12
GeneralAntillesOh well, whatever, I've removed it.06:12
timelyxand most flasher things say very clearly "don't remove power while flashing"06:12
timelyxfor laptops that means "charge first and remove cables"06:12
timelyxunless you're clear on what you're doing.06:13
timelyx'clear' is a bad word06:13
mdgwhat's the latest os the 770 can be upgraded to?06:13
GeneralAntillesMan the quality has gone to shit with the new MX Revolutions. . . .06:13
timelyxit's from some specific slang, i don't know which06:13
timelyxmdg: you can get a 2007 or a 200806:13
timelyxall of 2006, 2007, and 2008 have strange support terms :)06:13
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vanRijnre, all06:14
mdgI tried to flash through MInt - what a nightmare, tried through windows and it refused to find the file06:14
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vanRijndoes anyone know what the largest miniSD card the latest firmware supports? is the limit still at 8GB?06:14
timelyx[edit] flasher-3.006:14
timelyxAll of the options for flasher-3.006:14
timelyx fiasco-flasher06:15
timelyxAll of the options for fiasco-flasher.06:15
timelyxGeneralAntilles: the line 'All of' is useless and inconsistently punctuated06:15
timelyxsave time and remove the line ;-)06:15
timelyxit's 6am06:16
mdgIf vncviewer does not connect then will SSH work?06:16
GeneralAntilles"At the sound of the tone, the time will be . . ."06:18
mdghow do you turn off X11vnc?06:21
GeneralAntillesRun it from the menu again.06:21
vanRijnhm. I thought micro sdhc cards came in 16 and 32 GB capacities, but I can't find anyone who actually sells them. =:/ does anyone know if the N810 with the latest Maemo firmware will support something higher than 8gb?06:24
GeneralAntillesHardware limit is 2048GB06:24
GeneralAntillesSDHC is supposedly limited to 32GB at the moment06:25
timelyxthe 8gb limit was because that's all that was available for testing06:25
GeneralAntillesbut I think that's a FAT limitation or something, I'm not clear on the details.06:25
timelyxfat16 or fat32?06:25
GeneralAntillesRight, Nokia didn't have anything higher to test with, so they can't really officially state that it'll work if they haven't tested it, but it'll work fine.06:26
vanRijnGeneralAntilles: so if I can find a 12GB sdhc card, it should work in the n810?06:26
timelyxi'd sue someone for selling a 12g card :)06:26
vanRijnoh, and do you have to format it as fat32? or would xfs work?06:26
* timelyx doesn't think maemo supports xfs :)06:26
GeneralAntillesDepends on how you want to use it06:26
vanRijntimelyx: what do you mean?06:26
timelyx12 isn't a power of 206:26
GeneralAntillesOptions are: FAT32, ext2, ext3.06:26
timelyxit'd be insane to try to create such a card06:26
GeneralAntilles6 and 12GB cards exist06:26
Proteouswhy not?06:27
Proteous3 4gb cards in parallel06:27
Proteous4 4gb cards in raid506:27
vanRijnGeneralAntilles: have you had any experience with > 8gb cards in an n810?06:28
GeneralAntillesI don't own an N81006:28
GeneralAntillesBut I have used 16GB cards in an N800.06:28
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mdg16GB - are you storing videos?06:28
vanRijnGeneralAntilles: no problems?06:28
timelyxanyway fat16 had a 4g limit and fat32's limit isn't really reachable06:28
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GeneralAntillesvanRijn, like I said before, it'll work fine.06:29
vanRijntimelyx: I don't have any windows machines.. all Linux... so I have no interest in using FAT at all. =:)06:29
timelyxvanRijn: whatever06:29
timelyxext3 sucks06:29
vanRijnGeneralAntilles: heh. okay. thanks for clarifying. =:)06:29
ProteousI use fat to cook my fries06:29
vanRijnProteous: lol06:29
GeneralAntillesmdg, movies, music, ebooks, maps, other operating systems.06:29
timelyxProteous: how's that work for you?06:29
GeneralAntillesLots and lots of space-eating things.06:29
Proteousvery good, nice and crunchy06:30
mdgother operating systems?06:30
timelyxos x :)06:30
GeneralAntillesDeblet, a backup of OS2008, another OS2008 with KDE06:30
vanRijnoh, and are there any free gps apps coming so I don't have to fork over money for wayfinder? i'd really like turn-by-turn, talking sweetness. =:D06:30
infobotsomebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper06:31
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GeneralAntillesor Roadmap if you're into vector maps.06:31
mdgI dont' know what maemo mapper is?06:31
GeneralAntillesThough it isn't as polished.06:31
GeneralAntillesI still haven't gotten around to writing a wiki article on it. . . .06:32
mdgoh map program!06:33
mdgI can't get networking, I don't think maemo mapper is gonna help me find anything! LOL06:34
GeneralAntillesNo networking?06:34
mdgOh wifi yes - I can get on the net via my wifi router, but the VNC stuff - not working06:34
mdg2 wired linux mint, 1 wireless linux mint and 2 win XP (ick)06:35
mdgand now 770 because I sold my 333 Mhz laptop06:36
mdgOh, and I G4 iMac (wired)06:36
timelyxGeneralAntilles: could you please yell at the last commenter in 370506:36
GeneralAntillesBugzilla doesn't want to load06:39
GeneralAntillesI probably don't feel like getting involved, anyway.06:39
GeneralAntillesI'll make andre handle it instead.06:39
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mdgCan I ask, what is the red line across the chart area  that keeps showing up in X-chat?06:40
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timelyxshows you what you last saw06:40
mdgsorry chat area06:40
timelyxto help you catch up06:41
mdgYou can't tell I'm new to this can you?  LOL06:41
* timelyx shrugs06:41
timelyxi asked too06:41
GeneralAntillesIt's not the most clearly intuitive thing in the world.06:42
GeneralAntillesUseful once you figure it out, though.06:42
mdgCan I ask a hypthetical VNC question/06:43
mdgplease excuse my spelling06:43
mdgonly me and my 770 and one other person with a wifi enabled laptop - but no other wifi around - we would both pickup wifi from each other?06:44
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mdgread a post on Ubuntu forums about 770's and 800's running a version of Ubuntu?06:52
GeneralAntillesIt's not exactly easy to set up. ;)06:52
bef0rdI though Ubuntu Mobile Edition was only for x8606:52
GeneralAntillesIt's not the Mobile edition06:53
mdgI'm not having any luck with anything06:53
GeneralAntillesThe 770 is old06:54
mdgI know, but my pockets are going to be empty for a while06:54
mdgso no one uses them anymore?06:55
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GeneralAntillesNah, some people do06:55
GeneralAntillesbut it's not well supported anymore.06:55
mdgso basically light websurfing, email, look at pictures and listen to mp3s? Oh and a game or two06:57
mdgit would be nice if I could also have it be able to send web pages I find to the printer - but again the networking stuff06:58
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mdgwhat do you all use for networking your linux computers?  Linneighborhood? Just Samba?07:00
vanRijnmdg: network file sharing, you mean? I use NFS.07:02
mdgokay.  Thanks everyone for the help!  I'll go find a networking chat and torture them for a while :)  LOL07:04
mdgNight all07:04
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mdghey, thought I would pop back in to tell you I finally got VNC working - right now I am viewing my desktop on my 770!07:15
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mdgThank you everyone for all the great help!  Finally, something works!07:17
mdgNight all!07:17
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bef0rdThanks, he is already installing Xcode from dmg file07:25
bef0rdehhm,  wrong channel >_>07:25
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coffee88hi.  anyone using eclipse and esbox for maemo dev here?09:35
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* RST38h throws up at the mention of Eclipse09:53
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qwerty12Morning StsN80009:54
* qwerty12 passes RST38h a bucket09:54
RST38hthanks and good morning =)09:54
qwerty12Hehe, good morning RST38h09:55
qwerty12~curse ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard09:55
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard !09:55
qwerty12incidentally, module-assistant is some cool shit09:57
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RST38hunlucky qwerty09:58
qwerty13Hehe, it's a result of stealing internet :P09:58
StsN800morn qwerty1209:58
JaffaGeneralAntilles: delisting colin doesn't make sense *quite* yet.09:58
RST38hqwerty: Don't they jail you for this in UK? =)09:59
qwerty13Probably do09:59
* RST38h wanted to get a static IP address recently and was told to install VPN10:00
RST38hThey are afraid that somebody will cut in and impersonate my IP address10:00
RST38hOver the *Ethernet*.10:00
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, OK, but how about after the next iPhone article? :P10:18
tank-manwhy is he comparing a phone to a nonphone device?10:21
tank-manpeople keep wishing n8x0 had gsm, sounds like they are wishing their phones did more10:22
GeneralAntillesI don't understand people who want to hold a brick like an internet tablet up to their ears.10:23
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GeneralAntillesOr try to use Hildon for a phone. . . .10:23
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zapthe ideal phone would use a simplisic interface on their primary (small) display and a full-featured desktop on secondary display, like a projector or something like a paper roll which can be pulled out of its back :)10:24
qwerty13I don't understand the knobs who won't just buy an iPhone if they are in love with it so much.10:24
zapoh my, qwerty12 upgraded his firmware10:25
qwerty13I can't be bothered to change my nick even though it's right next to where I'm typing. Yes, I'm that lazy. :P10:26
qwerty13~lart ubuntu10:26
* infobot slams ubuntu against a large cement Tux10:26
zapthats perversion - slapping ubuntu with a tux10:26
qwerty13What is perversion is the ubuntu people removing squashfs lzma from Hardy >.<10:27
zapI can understand them10:28
zaplzma sources are a big mess10:28
qwerty13Alas, I need it though :(. module-assistant keeps building me modules with lzma symbols undefined which makes it useless :/10:28
qwerty13But for every person that starts comparing the tablet to an iPhone, point them to Aisu's iTablet and leave it there10:28
tank-manso thats what an iphone is? an app launcher? :)10:30
qwerty13Perhaps not, but why not piss them off as they piss us off :)10:30
GeneralAntillesI'll buy that.10:31
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Jaffaqwerty13: They don't piss /me/ off (well, as long as it's an intelligent discussion about the advantages of a mainstream portable computing device with a niche one)10:49
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qwerty13Jaffa: To me, there is too much of these Tablets V iPhone discussions. I don't think I've ever read one where anything has been achieved. After all, Nokia aren't going to be rushing overnight to make the tablet iPhone like. To me, they are just a pointless waste of time10:52
mavhcshouldn't it be being compared to an ipod touch?10:52
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StsN800yeah, thats more fair10:55
mavhcand looking at the price differences between touch models you see why there's no sd card slot offered, massive profits10:56
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* Jaffa heads off on his Euro-roadtrip.10:59
JaffaSee (some of) y'all next week.10:59
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StsN800qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n80-s2ram?11:27
coffee88is the new wiki up and running?  I just seem to get a blank page at
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GeneralAntillesMaybe force reload if it's in the cache.11:29
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coffee88tried that a few times...11:29
GeneralAntillesForce reload11:31
GeneralAntillesadd a shift or alt in there or something11:31
coffee88bingo.  shift reload.  thanks.11:31
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StsN800qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n800-s2ram?11:39
qwerty12StsN800: No, don't use it anymore because wakeup time is a little slow (for me anyway)11:39
StsN800was wondering how it works technically but there is no src11:40
qwerty12Yeah, I searched for that to no avail. You may have seen my sneaky request to put it in extras-devel ;)11:41
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coffee88hmm.  If I want to use the gnet libraries with OS2008 is it as simple as grabbing the source in scratchbox and building for both targets?11:45
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StsN800did anyone compile a swsusp kernel btw?11:52
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Italodancehey is xchat availavle for os2008?12:50
Stskeepsin extras.12:51
Italodanceoh thank u :)12:51
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* Stskeeps groans over system building13:15
Stskeepsbuilding new deblet structure over scenario "nokia gets run over by a bus"13:19
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qwerty12~curse netgear13:20
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, netgear !13:20
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Stskeepsso if nokia decides to stop supporting devices, it's always possible to build a deblet system with a armel emulator13:20
qwerty12heh, that's cool13:21
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* qwerty12 imagines Stskeeps behind the wheel of a double decker13:21
GAN800Filled with fertilizer?13:22
GAN800'run over'13:22
Stskeepsnow for compiling the deblet xomap with rotation support... on my tablet13:28
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Stskeeps(or wait till my qemu armel box comes back up)13:29
Stskeepsqwerty12: you happen to know if rotation support was added to kernel btw permanently or it's still a patch?13:30
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GAN800Stskeeps, you're asking whether it's in the official build? :P13:31
StskeepsGAN800: yeah, basically13:32
Stskeepsand i assume that's as likely as pigs flying13:32
GAN800It may happen eventually, but not soon.13:33
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StskeepsRST38h: no bugzilla account14:01
GAN800and get one. . . .14:02
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RST38hdead tree skype phon15:13
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lardmanafternoon all15:14
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GeneralAntillesHey, lardman.15:14
lardmanHi GeneralAntilles15:15
RST38hmoo lardman15:17
lardmanhey RST38h15:21
lardmananything exciting happen over the weekend?15:21
* lardman will have to bring a print out of his favourite logo and pin it to his T-shirt15:21
RST38hlardman: well I figured out how to use fb015:24
RST38hlardman: VGBA now runs at pretty much the real GBA speed in full screen mode (720x480)15:24
RST38hit will slow down if there are too many GBA video features used, but is otherwise very close to the real thing15:25
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lcuk_busyhi there lardman \o15:35
Stskeepsoh, neat, ts calibration is possible under debian \o/15:35
lcuk_busyStskeeps, is that using the standard debian module or have you dragged across a maemo modeule15:40
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Stskeepslcuk_busy: libts-bin, ts_calibrate - uses fb15:46
lcuk_busynice indeed15:46
lcuk_busyare you comin to the summit?15:46
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lardmanhi lcuk_busy, sorry got shoved off the computer for a bit there :)15:50
lcuk_busyno complains si, everything going well i hope?15:51
lardmannot bad, another busy weekend - wedding then a christening15:52
lcuk_busyextremely busy, didnt think i would get the bit i wanted in place and spent a week faffing with a direction ive had to rollback on for now15:52
Stskeepslcuk_busy: nop - think i'd be a little out of place with my deblet stuff :)15:52
* lardman is just wondering if he can get to Berlin with just hand luggage15:52
lardmanWas Jaffa coming by train? Did you see the channel tunnel fire news?15:53
lcuk_busyStskeeps, its an eco system - come to the next one15:53
lcuk_busyyer i did, its thrown everything off15:53
lcuk_busyhe said he was driving around numerous places15:53
lcuk_busynot sure if he got a ferry though15:53
Stskeepslcuk_busy: *nod* i was thinking about coming but my gf's expatriation to berlin (traineeship) got moved a month so15:53
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lcuk_busylardman, hes getting into germany via train, just greppin maemo.log to see if i can find the rest15:57
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lcuk_busylardman, when are you arriving15:59
lardmanthursday evening15:59
lcuk_busyheh, ill be there thursday dinner - hopefully by the time you arrive ill know where more are heading15:59
GeneralAntillesI swear this is a dupe:
lardmanlcuk_busy: cool, where are you staying?16:02
lcuk_busyat some hotel about 40million lightyears away, by the time the linuxtag payment was sorted and our financials were dealt with here everywhere was full16:03
lardmanso you were hoping for a blackhole to drift over from cern to get to the venue a bit quicker then?16:04
lcuk_busynot just hoping, it happened
GeneralAntillesComment #1:
GeneralAntillesThat's classic16:05
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lcuk_busyand to follow it up, the song which i thought of when lhc went live16:06
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lcuk_busy"this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success."16:06
lcuk_busyi really expected to hear the song on the real news16:07
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GeneralAntillesPortal? Psh16:08
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GeneralAntillesIt's Half-Life all the way.16:08
lcuk_busywell yeah, when gordon gets his hands on the gun all bets are off16:08
lcuk_busydid you play the hacked up version?16:08
lcuk_busyie portal gun in hl216:09
GeneralAntillesI didn't play on a PC16:09
GeneralAntillesSteam can go die in a fire.16:09
lcuk_busyits for mac and xbox isnt it?16:09
GeneralAntillesSteam? For Mac?16:09
lcuk_busyit works with wine then16:09
GeneralAntillesValve hates OS X16:10
GeneralAntillesWine is for Linux16:10
lcuk_busyi was sure it was out for mac, ahhh welll you miss out on the single greatest single user series16:10
GeneralAntillesI played Orange Box on the 360.16:10
lcuk_busyits not the same on a console16:10
GeneralAntillesDon't have to install any stupid DRM bullshit on my computer.16:10
GeneralAntillesIt's the exact same content16:10
lcuk_busycos you bought the stupid computer with the drm already in16:11
lcuk_busy"hello shopkeeper, can i have 3lbs of drm bullshit please"16:11
lcuk_busy"certainly, bend over"16:11
GeneralAntillesLast time I checked, I didn't have to dial in to the mothership to use my OS. ;)16:11
lardmancongrats GeneralAntilles16:11
GeneralAntillesDo I at least get a cool shirt or something?16:12
GeneralAntillesHow about a mousepad?16:12
lardmanOfficial CIC sticker16:12
lcuk_busyget the man a gavel16:13
GeneralAntillesCan it be one of those kids toy gavels that squeak?16:13
lardmanProbably wouldn't be allowed to take a wooden one on an aeroplane, so yes16:14
lcuk_busyno, this is serious business16:14
GeneralAntillesThose are hammers.16:14
GeneralAntillesWell, at least this now gives me free reign to chase your asses down when I need a response on something. ;)16:14
lcuk_busythey look more like lexx, which looks more other things16:14
GeneralAntillesA giant dragon fly?16:15
GeneralAntillesI like tim's outline:
lcuk_busycan you make irc have a starred nickname and an automatic footnote when you are in the chan?16:17
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: you got elected chair?16:18
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yeah, they'll soon learn to regret it, though. ;)16:18
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i was just about to say ;>16:19
lardmanIndeed, /me wonders what he's done! ;)16:19
GeneralAntillesI'm gonna have X-Fade setup an autodialer at the ISP.16:19
GeneralAntillesIt's gonna call you and recite emails at you whenever I send them to -community.16:19
Stskeepswould any of you be interested in an account on a debian armel qemu buildbox btw? i'm setting one up atm16:20
lcuk_busyGeneralAntilles, im surprised you have not been weighing up cochlear implants16:20
lcuk_busyfor all council members16:20
lardmansome remote electic shock pads more likely ;)16:20
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lardmankeep us in line :)16:21
GeneralAntillesI might just adapt the team neck-band tasers to send Morse code.16:21
lcuk_busywhats this "us" - you are on the fluffin council16:21
* lcuk_busy runs16:21
RST38hand make sure those pads are connected to a midi sequencer16:21
lardmanlcuk_busy: yeah, well we're supposed to keep you lot in line, and the General keeps us in line :)16:21
lcuk_busythats good then16:22
* lcuk_busy gets popcorn16:22
GeneralAntillesShit flows downhill.16:22
lcuk_busyand the general has just eaten 5kgs of tacobells finest16:22
* lardman is bored of presentation writing16:25
GeneralAntillesIs it too much if I change my signature? :P16:25
lardmanGeneralAntilles: On ITT?16:26
lardmanGo for it :)16:26
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GeneralAntillesMailing list for now16:26
GeneralAntillesI haven't decided on itT yet.16:26
GeneralAntillesI don't want to have to behave over there just yet. . . . :(16:26
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lcuk_busywhen i get to the summit with my laptop - do i do anything special to get it working on the projector - or will it be at some silly resolution or something?16:30
lcuk_busyor do i just plug it in just like an external monitor?16:30
lardman_bring a spare goat16:30
GeneralAntillesYou should be able to just plug it in.16:30
GeneralAntillesI can't guarantee anything with Windows, though.16:30
lcuk_busyits ubuntu16:31
housetierI hope we will have a pc setup for presentations so we won't have to replug the laptops16:31
housetierit never works right out of the box16:31
lcuk_busyhousetier, :) hi again, i hope you get one as well16:31
housetierone per projector16:32
housetierwe switch speakers but not the hardware16:32
lcuk_busydid you get anywhere with an overhead closeup cam?16:32
GeneralAntillesMount a webcam on an a-frame?16:33
housetierwe can mount the camera on a drill stand16:33
GeneralAntillesEven better16:34
lcuk_busy7nice! thats the linux way - improvisation16:34
housetierlooks akward but is stable16:34
lcuk_busyif you dont have a device to test with, just put your phone down and see if it can focus on the screen16:34
lcuk_busyi normally ended up using the macro mode on my camera to get it in focus16:34
* GeneralAntilles isn't feeling very inspired for an announcement.16:35
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jonekhi, I created a DUMMY network in diablo, but it doesn't show up, when I scan for networks - what could be the problem?16:39
GeneralAntillesjonek, did you read the bug?16:39
infobotit has been said that bluetooth-pan is
GeneralAntillesActually, that has the same details.16:39
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jonekyes I have seen that bug, but from what I understand that is only a problem when using PAN with a mobile. I want to use PAN networking via my desktop computer and I managed to get it working yesterday16:40
jonekbut today a simple DUMMY doesn't show up again16:41
GeneralAntillesYou misunderstood16:41
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't have anything to do with what you're using it with.16:41
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GeneralAntillesYou need a working DUMMY module to see the network from the connection list.16:41
jonekI know16:41
* lcuk fell out16:41
GeneralAntillesWhich should be solved by installing the latest maemo-pan.16:42
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jonek*hu*? waht does maemo-pan have to do with DUMMY networks?16:42
GeneralAntillesPAN connectivity is achieved through the GUI through a DUMMY network.16:42
GeneralAntillesHrm, bergie for the voting software, dneary for coordination, Jaffa for the idea, who am I forgetting to thank?16:43
jonekbut I use tablets for a long time and DUMMY networks have never been a problem till I updated to diablo recently16:43
GeneralAntillesRight, it's a bug in Diablo.16:44
infobotit has been said that bluetooth-pan is
GeneralAntillesRead it.16:44
GeneralAntillesThen read the bug that's linked from it.16:44
jonekok thx16:44
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* Jaffa has made it... all the way to Folkestone.16:51
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JaffaYup. Mother-in-law, Mrs Jaffa and Jaffa Jr. have gone out to see grandparents; notionally so I can work on my presentation.16:53
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lcukjaffa, any problems traffic wise due to the chunnel closure?  is it gonna be busier on the ferry17:00
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* RST38h wonders if his tablet will survive this17:00
GeneralAntilleslol, Jaffa, you editing?17:01
GeneralAntillesAll of a sudden the formatting changed drastically17:01
GeneralAntillesfreaked me out17:01
Jaffalcuk: M20 was clear all the way down. Tunnel's still closed to prviate traffic so ferry's *will* be busier. Pre-booked ferry tickets are being guaranteed, though. We're also going Dover -> Dunkirk rather than -> Calais17:01
JaffaGeneralAntilles: all I did was remove a superfluous "d" from "involve" in the last line. I noticed the sudden jump too - thought it was you ;-)17:01
GeneralAntillesNope, weird.17:02
lcukfair enough, me n simon were a big concerned earlier - couldnt remember how you were plannin to go :) thankfully i dug in the logs and found your roadtrip plans :P17:02
lardman_hi Jaffa17:02
lcukhow can i get an openoffice presentation displaying videos?17:03
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lcuklardman|out, its not really "shopping" if you ask the butcher for 12lbs of bacon17:04
GeneralAntillesAnybody know how to do links in midgard?17:04
GeneralAntillesJust normal HTML?17:04
lardman|outlcuk: need bread too to make the sandwiches :p17:05
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GeneralAntillesMmm bacon17:06
GeneralAntillesI had too much fatty food to eat yesterday17:06
GeneralAntillesBacon in the morning, left over fried chicken for lunch and a burger for dinner.17:06
Jaffalcuk: I dunno how to do videos, I know I'm fiddling with it to get the right layout. Almost would prefer PowerPoint.17:07
lcuk\@/ right, bbiab i have to ring the missus - tell her to get bacon17:07
GeneralAntillesPowerPoint may suck, but at least it's predictable.17:07
lcukwell i really dont need a projector cos everything i do is live, but as a backup i need a few short videos and would want em controlled by presentation software17:07
lcukneed a presentation^17:08
Jaffalcuk: Live demo of tablet-encode and mediaserv, I think. But demoing mud's a bit tricky17:09
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GeneralAntillesAlright, Jaffa, check that over.17:14
lcukwhat are you editing? top secret evil overlord wiki document?17:15
Jaffa<h1>What are we going to tonight, Brain?</h1>17:16
GeneralAntillesFirst announcement for the blog.17:16
lcuktop banana17:17
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: made a few minor punctuation changes, otherwise looks fine.17:18
GeneralAntillesAlright, submitting.17:19
GeneralAntillesIdeas for a title?17:19
GeneralAntilles"Hello and welcome from the new Maemo Community Council!" sounds a little lame17:19
Jaffas/and welcome// sounds a bit better17:22
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: "Introducing the new ..." ?17:22
lcuk"all your base are belong to us"17:22
JaffaOh, should have a ref to the council talk at the summit17:23
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GeneralAntilles"Introducing the new Maemo Community Council"17:24
GeneralAntillesHi, lopz.17:24
lcukim glad im still able to laugh, ive still got a mountain to climb if i want everything finished17:24
lcukGeneralAntilles,  what happened to the old maemo council17:24
GeneralAntillesWe ate them.17:24
lcukdamn those bacon sprinkles17:24
lcukthey make anything edible17:24
lcukanother tour operator has gone bust - best pack extra pants - it might end up being a longer germany trip17:25
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Italodancehey guys what's this new app sayhoo_0.0-test-20090912.1_all.deb ?17:30
JaffaGeneralAntilles: added a summit bit17:30
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GeneralAntillesIt's got no formatting. . . .17:32
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Italodanceoh i got it17:34
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GeneralAntillesMan, midgard mutilates that thing when you hit submit17:44
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sp3000I guess that's what you're submitting it to17:47
sp3000maybe it says in the fine print ;)17:47
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GeneralAntillesWish it had a preview. . . .17:49
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JaffaWhere's bergie to defend it?17:51
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if we can get authors for the Council blog. . . .18:29
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: would be good18:30
GeneralAntillesHi, konttori.18:30
lcukinvent a time machine and get shakespeare to blog for you.  that would be a coup18:30
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GeneralAntillesPoor Tim is suffering.18:33
lcukyou think thats suffering?  just wait until the mail system catches up and floods him with 3499282373 new mails by sending him the entire archive multiple times ;)18:33
lcukGeneralAntilles, the blog authors thing, im quite certain its only available as "by riff-raff" or "by your esteemed, prestigious master of the realms Ryan "the guv'ner" Abel"18:38
Jaffalcuk: snappish (see -community ;-))18:38
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GeneralAntillesI wanna be Spaghetti18:39
lcukjaffa, i know i read - the mailing list software doesnt like him18:39
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JaffaHmm, lot of people at the conference and going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-))18:40
infobotJaffa meant: Hmm, lot of people at the conference aren't going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-))18:40
GeneralAntilles"Bonasera . . . Bonasera . . ."18:41
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lcukmaemoify: verb: (third-person singular simple present maemifies, present participle maemifying, simple past and past participle maemified)18:45
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GeneralAntilleswiktionary it18:45
GeneralAntillesthen it'll be official.18:45
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lcukmaemify   is not using the whole maemo thing - would it be allowed?18:47
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JaffaArse. Just remembered I was supposed to put the meat in the oven. I *was* going to put it in later, so it's less like the leather we usually have at my in-laws, but nearly 40 minutes late might be pushing it.19:06
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: hmm, new council post doesn't seem to have been syndicated to /news/ yet19:56
GeneralAntillesThe RSS feed is listed in the Planet list19:57
GeneralAntillesHasn't updated yet or something19:57
JaffaFairy nuff19:57
GeneralAntillesActually, I think I have admin access now and could probably fix it19:57
GeneralAntillesbut asgard scared the pants off me when I poked around in there this morning.19:58
lcukGeneralAntilles, you are important now, you shouldnt be poking anywhere, take an ensign with you (preferably one with a red maemo tshirt ;)20:02
GeneralAntillesDo I get to make it with the alien chicks?20:02
lcukonly the green ones20:03
Jaffa /nick GeneralAntilles CaptainJaneway <---- that's more like it ;-)20:03
lcukor those lacking in common sense and having low moral fibre20:03
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GAN800I've been rewatching Voyager, too. . . .20:03
lcukyou know how well the maemo ship is runnin by how perfect his hair looks20:04
GAN800Staple of my childhood that.20:04
lcukyou know you are in for a shit day when it looks like windy wednesday20:04
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JaffaChildhood? Eek, I feel old. *TNG* was the staple of my childhood.20:06
lcukthank god you arent a fossil ;) my mum likes to tell me stories from tos20:06
mavhcREwatching voyager? what's wrong with your brain?20:07
GAN800Frasier and Voyager, that was middle school.20:08
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* Jaffa has seen one or two recently; weren't *that* bad first time round, second time a bit meh20:08
GAN800mavhc, maybe nastalgia20:08
* Jaffa 's been rewatching Frasiers PVRed off C4 in a morning20:08
GAN800I like them, though.20:08
mavhcis that nasty things from your childhood?20:08
GAN800Better than the new Enterprise, anyway.20:09
mavhcenterprise only exists to make voyager look like shakespeare in comparison20:10
* GAN800 is really not a Star Trek geek.20:11
GAN800As you might guess by my nick. ;)20:11
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mavhcwe might be able to if we were a *blank* geek20:11
* GeneralAntilles .20:13
GAN800^ that guy20:13
JaffaLast season of Enterprise wasn't too bad.20:13
mavhccompared with good shows, or the previous 3 seasons?20:13
GeneralAntillesIt's too bad the writing was so terrible.20:13
GeneralAntillesThe cast wasn't bad20:13
GeneralAntilleseffects were pretty and the sets were well made20:14
mavhchad no money left for writers20:14
GeneralAntillesBut then they had to go and do decontamination room sex scenes with the Vulcan20:14
mavhcI liked it when the changed the theme song, yeah, because that's the main problem with the show20:15
mavhcand the name20:15
Jaffamavhc: in comparison with the previous 3 seasons20:15
JaffaJoy: my Map app's started segfaulting now I've put the german maps on it20:15
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GeneralAntillesAt start or in use?20:17
JaffaStartup.  Window opens, then closes.20:20
GeneralAntillesMap database is corrupt20:20
GeneralAntillesDelete it from mmc2 and redownload20:20
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GeneralAntillesIt has such sadly reproducible bugs that even somebody who hasn't used the damn thing for more than 5 minutes can diagnose them. . . .20:21
JaffaAmazed that they expect anyone to pay for such a piece of shit.20:21
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's fairly impressive.20:22
GeneralAntillesThe wonders of contract work, I guess.20:22
GeneralAntillesJust be glad the Euro maps don't total out over 700MB. ;)20:23
JaffaEugh, /media/mmc2's gone read only fs. Looks like a brand new corruption20:23
GAN800FAT needs to die.20:24
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Proteousfat is tasty20:24
Proteousit's geneticly breed into us20:25
Proteousgoos energy source20:25
GAN800Proteous now officially joins lcuk as the new channel fatty.20:25
Proteouser, good20:25
ProteousI said I like eating fat, not that I am fat20:25
* lcuk is skinny20:26
GAN800You don't need to be fat to be a fatty.20:26
* lcuk is also stressed20:26
lcuki just found out that images are not being put through the cliprect mangler - so they are escaping their boundaries and drawing all over stuff i need them not to20:27
* Proteous reminds lcuk about his deadlines to stress him more20:27
lcukoh ive got enough to be comfortable, i just want the next stage in :)20:27
GAN800lcuk, just remember, if you don't deliver the liqbase goods, we take your bacon.20:27
Proteousso cruel20:27
* lcuk has plenty of bacon to give, believe me..20:27
* lcuk laughs evily20:28
GAN800lcuk has all the bacon20:28
lcukmk_style.c:87: ERROR   : `imgknob' undeclared (first use in this function)20:28
Proteousall your bacon is belong to lcuk20:28
lcukthere is no way i am searching google for images of knobs20:28
lcukbut i need one!20:29
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lcuki want a nice shiny png knob20:29
Proteousdamn knobgoblers20:30
Jaffalcuk: "dial control" turns up some promising ones20:31
JaffaAlso, try and run it through Inkscape's trace bitmap feature20:31
lcukheh - i just searched GIS and clicked "extra large".  (i must have high quality large knobs)   my confidence in GIS is so far holding up (barring a ocuple)20:31
Proteoushow about "BIG KNOB OF DEATH"20:31
lcuki wanted it throbbing initially20:32
lcukbut i couldnt bring myself to code it in20:32
lcukJaffa, its not a dial i want, its a knob for a slider - you have to be able to grab it and move it up and down20:33
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Jaffalcuk: ah. draw one?20:34
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Proteousjust loaded up and the is a big ad on the side20:36
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Proteousnow I am hungry Â:/20:37
lcukbacon.reddit is the site of perfection.  i browse there lots and come away feeling hungry every single time20:37
lcukits like a drug20:37
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lardmanlcuk: enough!20:46
lcuksorry, just got roped into carving the pork joint, back later20:49
RST38hlcuk: BTW, transfer-with-scaling screws up the desktop in window mode20:51
Stskeepsgah.. xserver-omap doesn't compile with standard debian packages ¤"¤20:51
RST38hDon't try: you will have to reboot or ssh from outside to fix it somehow20:51
Stskeeps(it tells me after 7 hours of compiling.)20:52
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lcukRST38h, for me its fine, i just have to remember to lower the scaled resolution because the factors are a bit off and an 800*480 displayed scaled into a window looks like cack20:54
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jottRST38h: you could switch to another vt.21:07
jottRST38h: just make sure you will return to the x11 vt when exiting (crashing :)21:07
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GAN800I love the guys on itT to come in to tell everybody what terrible social skills they have when some idiot overreacts to a harmless comment.21:08
RST38hlcuk: My guess is you are using a different bit plane (YUV)21:09
RST38hGAN: Try Slashdot then! You will like it much MUCH more =)21:10
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GAN800I only browse at -121:10
RST38hlcuk: 'cause it is a different device (fb1 or fb2)21:10
GAN800It's a whole different world.21:10
jottRST38h: or you could just do a full 1:1 blit on exit ..21:10
StskeepsGAN800: since you talk about xorg and fremantle.. do you happen to know if they released any xorg package for this yet?21:10
GAN800Stskeeps, not a clue.21:11
RST38hGAN: Does not matter - their system of values is incompatible with normal humans anyway21:11
RST38hjott: It ismore complicated than that21:11
jottRST38h: how so?21:11
RST38hjott: Looks like the scale factor is some persistent setting. Once you blit with scaling configured, it continues blitting the desktop imagery with the same setting21:12
RST38hGAN: Like somebody said, "Eager but *very* dull"21:12
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RST38hjott: Going from full screen to windowed mode seems to kill that off though21:12
jottRST38h: ugh, yeah that's why i thought about switching vt :)21:13
RST38hjott: Yea, but how the hell do I switch vt on the tablet? =)21:13
jottStskeeps: have you looked at gits for omapfb support?21:13
jottRST38h: ioctl21:14
RST38hjott: Oh.21:14
Stskeepsjott: hmm, no, but i just found a hint that made me go in that direction21:14
* RST38h asked in terms of a key combination :)21:14
jottStskeeps: yeah bugtracker :)21:14
jottRST38h: heh.. no you can do it via ioctl. don't know it on top of my head. but should be fairly simple to find out ;)21:14
RST38hjott: I decided to abstain from using this stuff in windowed mode for now21:15
jottRST38h: directfb uses this for example21:15
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jottyeah in windowed mode this does not work out that well :21:15
RST38hjott: looks like more trouble than help... although may want to try 1:1 windowed blitting later tonight21:15
jottStskeeps: just wondered if they push something upstream..21:16
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Stskeepsjott: i decided that after 7 hours in company with xserver-omap compilation, that there has to be a better way :P21:17
jottStskeeps: heh. you could always use plain fb driver and loose some features :)21:17
jottand update speed :P21:17
Stskeeps;a=summary looks interesting21:19
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kulveit's only stubs still21:22
Stskeepsthought that would wake you :P21:22
jottyeah, looks very early in development ;)21:23
kulve"somebody" should copy stuff from Xomap there..21:23
RST38hxf86 for n8x0?21:25
jottxfree86 :)21:25
RST38hthey should have dropped 86 long time ago...21:26
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jottand while they are at it drop the x11 architecture?21:29
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GAN800Damnit, tim wants photo and bio? <_<21:35
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Stskeepsthere goes the reelection?21:36
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GAN800I've got, maybe, 3 pictures I might find acceptable in general, but none of them for a big projector behind a stage.21:37
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jottGAN800: photoshop/gimp to the rescue? :)21:39
mavhcjust steal someone's photo from imdb21:39
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GAN800Probably not21:40
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jottGAN800: ? :P21:41
GAN800Maybe I should just go with the retarded dialation sun glasses pic and forget it.21:41
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GeneralAntillesSomebody remind me why the profile uses "The company that hires you" instead of "Employer"22:04
derfFives times as many words is five times as good.22:06
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hpg101hi all. i need the Perl DBD::SQLite module for my n800 running Diablo. i've found DBI, but not yet the SQLite driver. Any suggestions?22:11
MangoFusionnot on cpan?22:13
hpg101there's a dynamically loaded .so file, so would need a compiler22:14
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jrayhawkDebian will make your life a lot easier.22:15
Stskeepsuntil you start writing packages, and then you want to stab yourself with your stylus22:16
jrayhawkPolicy saves time in the long run, but yeah, not something to do for fun.22:16
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Stskeepsjrayhawk: i've been using my weekend on converting deblet dpkg-deb --build'd packages into real debian packages.. and converting OSS maemo packages into Debian compatible ones22:18
Stskeepsright now i'm beating my head over how old some of these methods are, compared to new autoconf etc22:19
jrayhawkhee hee22:19
Stskeepsi swear, sometimes it does help being a bit autistic when dealing with this stuff :P22:20
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Stskeepsmeh "low priority getting dropbox to work on arm"22:22
jrayhawkIs there a long term-effort towards Debian repository compatibility for maemo?22:22
Stskeepsno, but i do one for the deblet project where it can't be avoided having to use -some- maemo packages22:23
jrayhawkI'm just noticing that there's a huge duplication of packaging effort around here22:23
Stskeepsalso most maemo ports are hildonizations22:23
jrayhawkYeah, but things like libraries and such.22:23
Stskeepswell, maybe fremantle helps things22:23
* Stskeeps decided to stop waiting and develop the debian platform instead22:24
Stskeepsas there's been leaps of usability the last months22:25
jrayhawkI'm currently debating with whether or not I want to continue the debian-chroot-on-maemo approach or if I should just give up and ditch maemo. It'd save me a lot of time if maemo were planning on just doing the right thing in 6-12 months anyway.22:26
Stskeepswe'll see after summit :P22:27
Stskeepsdebian on tablets still need some more power saving stuff but atleast we aren't using extreme wifi power anymore22:28
Stskeeps.. and we're able to go into deep sleep22:28
RST38hBut do you get wifi in Debian? And does it still run Maemo apps?22:29
jrayhawkI doubt hildon stuff would survive, no.22:29
StskeepsRST38h: we have wifi22:29
StskeepsRST38h: and i'm wondering if chroot maemo is possible ;)22:29
jrayhawkHa ha ha, I could run all the hildon crap in Xephyr22:29
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Stskeepsor just on another Xomap display :P22:30
RST38hsts: !22:34
RST38hhey, don't badmouth hildon! Surprisingly, I think it is better than running desktop stuff on such a small screen22:34
Stskeepsi like hildon but i dont like the underlying system22:35
Stskeepsand hildon libs could have been done otherwise, making ports easier22:35
mavhcdo you really want ports of linux stuff using 93% of your ram though?22:36
jrayhawkI've run Debian on systems with 32 megs.22:36
jrayhawkTrust me when I say that Nokia hardware is perfectly adequate for general purpose usage.22:37
Stskeepsmavhc: one of my pet peeves are the stuff in gtkmm for instance. that attributes on widgets are changed from set_some_name(key,value) to set_attribute(key, value) for instance.. that breaks 99% of all apps22:38
Stskeeps(not exact method names)22:38
jrayhawkActually, given that I'd be ditching all of the resident Hildon stuff, I'd actually be saving memory.22:38
Stskeepsand i'm willing to bet that there's a preprocessor thing to take set_#(value) to set("#", value)22:38
* RST38h ran FreeBSD on a system with 8MB RAM. With X11. And compiled stuff there.22:39
RST38hDoes not mean a thing: depends on the applications you are going to run22:39
jrayhawkThat's the spirit.22:40
Stskeepsi miss my 50mhz machine with a yellow heart glued on it a girl gave me :P22:40
jrayhawkIs a 50MHz machine a gesture of love or a gesture of hatred?22:40
RST38hWell, spirit or no spirit, face it: you will not run FireFox on this machine. Or XChat. Or Gnumeric. Or GNOME.22:40
Stskeepskernel compiles were a drag22:41
StskeepsRST38h: Xchat runs.. :P22:41
jrayhawkGnome is the only thing I'm seeing as having trouble, though even that would still fit.22:41
RST38hand is usable? =)22:41
Stskeepsif they'd make h-i-m work in some of their dialog boxes, sure22:41
jrayhawkGNOME *and* Firefox would probably be a swap-thrashing nightmare...22:41
Stskeepsjrayhawk: gnome was actually astonishingly quick on deblet22:42
Stskeepsofcourse some of the apps associated were not22:42
Stskeepsbut the ui itself22:42
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Stskeepsit isn't a horridly slow machine we're dealing with :P22:43
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* Stskeeps plays around with his lxde install22:45
* Jaffa unspods for the second leg of his Euro roadtrip.22:45
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mavhcjust crappy apps written to expect 512MB of ram to be lying around so they don't need to optimise anything don't port well22:45
JaffaAll to entertain the few; the huddled masses; the eager tabletistas22:45
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jrayhawkAre you following Emdebian's attempts to allow for a customization of the base system, or are you making it up as you go?22:46
Stskeepswell, ,
Stskeepswhat i'm working on right now22:47
jrayhawkEmdebian is (IIRC) aiming for inclusion in mainline, so it might make your life easier22:47
Stskeepsit's a MMC install, not a flash install22:47
Stskeepsbut with tablet optimizations22:47
Stskeepspeople run KDE, GNOME, LXDE, Matchbox.. etc22:47
jrayhawkNot a flash install?! Wuss!22:48
Stskeepsthere's angstrom, manona and stuff like that for people who want that22:48
jrayhawkOkay, I guess I have a plan, now, at least.22:49
Stskeepsfor me, a mmc install is just fine as it is22:49
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Proteoushere is a question about morality, should I feel bad about logging into my neighbours unsecured wireless router and changing it's setting so it uses a different frequency range then the one I'm using?22:51
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StskeepsProteous: well that you're saying it in a public channel which is logged..22:52
Stskeepsand comes up in google quite often :)22:52
* Proteous hears sirens outside22:52
* Proteous hears the front door being kicked in22:52
* Proteous hides under the bed22:52
ProteousI didn't say I did it22:52
Proteousjust asked if I should feel bad22:53
ProteousI mean, who would do such a thing anyway22:53
Proteoussomeone with no morals22:53
Stskeepsand why not change your own frequency range? :P22:53
ProteousI tried that, thier router was set to hop to "clean" frequencys and it would always change to whatever I set my router too22:54
mavhcProteous: what you should do is offer to secure it for them, you'll still know the password, so no other leechers can use it too22:54
ShadowJKfirst you need to put all your neighbours on channel 1 and channel 12 so that you've got the middle free for yourself22:54
Stskeepsjrayhawk: but anyway, if you're bored and want to spend time hacking solutions for running debian efficiently & power saving on the tablets, you're more than welcome to help out22:55
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mavhcdoes 11n do all that stuff automatically, change power, move frequencies?22:55
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jrayhawkYeah, that's looking like the best solution, right now.22:55
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konttoriKhertan: I just tested the cairoclock. Works perfectly. Thanks for putting it to extras!23:07
konttoriI also promoted it to extras proper.23:07
Chaniis there an imap client for the n810 that does threading n'stuff?23:07
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Chanin/m, apparently there are kdepim packages somewhere :)23:08
Mekwell, kmail isn't very usable yet :P23:09
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Proteousmavhc, yes23:12
Proteouswell, unless you turn that off23:12
Proteouslike maybe on your neighbours router...23:12
Proteousif you were a totaly amoral person23:13
Proteoustotaly not like anyone here23:13
Proteousno one here would even think of doing anything like that23:13
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ChaniMek: what about mailody? since I wanna use imap...23:21
ProteousI want I want I want, what about other people23:21
MekChani: haven't tried that yet... although I somehow doubt it will work well since it requires akonadi which I think only has a mysql backend for now (at least it would require quite some disk space for all the dependencies :) )23:24
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Chaniyeah, uhm, I'm gonna be wanting akonadi-using apps on my n81023:26
Chanipim is pretty much all I use it for, after all23:26
Chani(if you include IM in pim)23:26
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Chaniso how can we make that work? :)23:27
MekI might be completely wrong though. perhaps akonadi works very well... I don't think I have tried any akonadi based apps yet...23:27
Stskeepswhy on .. earth does a pim storage service only have a mysql backend?23:27
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Mekbecause apparently both sqlite and mysql/embedded didn't support yet what the akonadi devs need (and why would they write more than 1 backend if it all is still in development)23:29
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Mekhmm... my mysql-server package is not even installable right now, I guess that is why akonadi-console didn't do anything :)23:38
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RST38hAnybody knows how to find absolute coordinates of the hildonwindow client area???23:48
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AlystairOdd development question, could I make the 770 browser work over bluetooth instead of wifi?23:59
StskeepsPAN or DUN?23:59
Alystaireg. pair it up with a computer which is running apache23:59
Alystairnot for external internet23:59

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