| RST38h | Jaffa: Not every way or solving it or even a valid design is a viable one | 00:00 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12_N800: can you try something for me? | 00:00 |
| RST38h | ssvb: that is the point - it is not easily killable :) | 00:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelyx: sure | 00:00 |
| timelyx | on your device, use renice to lower the priority of browserd | 00:00 |
| ssvb | RST38h: as I said, it is a separate bug | 00:00 |
| RST38h | ssvb: and leaves garbage when killed too | 00:00 |
| timelyx | i.e. make it less important than the rest of the system | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed, but Bugzilla isn't the right place to discuss new and better architectures. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: All I am suggesting in a bug report is to review the decision and possibly return to the previous, simpler design | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: then that's another bug. Even if it was one process, if it left garbage when killed, that'd be a bug - but not an argument for restructuring it from one process to many | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: but that's not a trackable, achievable, measurable or specific issue. | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: if it were only that - yes | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: But you can see that there are multiple problems stemming from the client/server design | 00:02 |
| summatusmentis | are there any sketch programs for maemo? | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: that's what the mailing lists are for | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: ...and there were multiple problems stemming from a single process design, AIUI. | 00:02 |
| RST38h | It is not that I am against such design, but you do not make the largest, most crash prone part of your system a server :) | 00:02 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Exactly two afaik | 00:02 |
| timelyx | summatusmentis: maemopad+ | 00:03 |
| timelyx | or the sketch app that ships w/ the tablet | 00:03 |
| derf | Geezus, 1.3GB is not enough to install the scratchbox toolchain. | 00:03 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: 1) slow startup (client/server reduces it by 2 seconds) and 2) web browser dies when window does (now it dies when server dies) | 00:03 |
| timelyx | you could try getting tuxpaint | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | A c/s design allows for the option of a browser engine crash to have it restarted with no related UI crash | 00:03 |
| derf | What on earth is in that thing? | 00:03 |
| summatusmentis | timelyx: oh, ok, thanks :) | 00:03 |
| ssvb | RST38h: check http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23582 | 00:03 |
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| timelyx | personally on all but my 770 i use sketch from the device | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless: i've done a sudo renice +5 `pidof browserd` | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: yes, but why would you care for reopnening that window if your browser dies anyway? | 00:04 |
| timelyx | on the 770 i use maemopad+ because i used it as a personal device and grabbed more apps | 00:04 |
| * timelyx sighs | 00:04 | |
| ssvb | RST38h: looks like there is a high chance that third-party plugins may be involved (adblock) | 00:04 |
| summatusmentis | timelyx: your other tablets you don't use as personal devices/ | 00:04 |
| summatusmentis | s///?/ | 00:04 |
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| timelyx | summatusmentis: i work for nokia | 00:04 |
| timelyx | i develop the browser for them | 00:04 |
| RST38h | ssvb: disabled it. same thing. | 00:05 |
| timelyx | so they're basically reflash+test victims | 00:05 |
| summatusmentis | oh right, i knew that. | 00:05 |
| timelyx | qwerty12_N800: ok, try loading the test cases that have been mentioned | 00:05 |
| timelyx | does the device respond better? | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Having Firefox recover from a crash without restarting and reopening the tabs would be "better" from a user experience point of view. | 00:05 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: fwiw, it's half planned too :) | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: not going to be demoed next week then? ;-) | 00:05 |
| timelyx | no timeline, but the basic plans were being formulated at the mozilla summit :) | 00:05 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: sadly not | 00:06 |
| Jaffa | cool | 00:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: yea, but in our case reopening that puny window is a very small part of starting the browser | 00:06 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Maybe in FireFox, where display interface is more complicated... | 00:06 |
| ssvb | RST38h: IMHO this still needs proper investigation, for example check if other people can reproduce the problem without even installing adblock in the first place | 00:06 |
| Jaffa | Anything which minimises the exceedingly slow window opening/redraw code on a tablet is fine by me. | 00:07 |
| RST38h | ssvb: You have seen that I have been threatened with a ban for reopening this bug | 00:07 |
| ssvb | RST38h: you are just behaving a bit rude, it's better to calm up and focus on technical issues only | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | ssvb: I am stating the facts. See the log. | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: As I understood things, rendering happens in browserd (which dies) | 00:08 |
| mavhc | Jaffa: you should port wimpworks to it | 00:08 |
| ssvb | RST38h: you are too fast to judge what is at fault, and your points do not seem valid to me | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Opening a window is cheap though | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: what'd *really* go down well, of course; is a suggestion on maemo-developer for a design which meets the requirements of a fast start-up time and a crash proof UI. Perhaps involving a more staged, componentised system? | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | mavhc: oh, blimey - a mavhc. I'd seen you here and my brain's just gone "duh" | 00:09 |
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| mavhc | :-) | 00:09 |
| jott | how about releasing the source code and disable the server part as one wishes :) | 00:10 |
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| timelyx | jott: you don't want to hear the story about that | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | A WimpWorks port seems a little... complex. | 00:10 |
| timelyx | can we not go there? | 00:10 |
| jott | timelyx: it's not up to you. i know :( | 00:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, crash proof won't do | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | browserd reniced at +5 is giving problems with that livejournal (no usercontent.css + plugins disabled).. i'll try a renice @ -5 | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is based on FF and FF is resource hungry and NOT crash proof | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I LUVZ YOOOOOOO | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: So whatever component encapsulates FF's renderer and JS will crash | 00:12 |
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| rm_you | k | 00:13 |
| * crashanddie loves it when there's a talk about a "crash" on IRC | 00:13 | |
| crashanddie | beep, beep, beep | 00:13 |
| rm_you | :P | 00:13 |
| rm_you | your own fault for adding notify on "crash" | 00:13 |
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| rm_you | ... i added notify no "rm" >_> which causes no end of beeping on #gentoo and #debian | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I would make it configurable (i.e. UI looks for browserd, does not find it, and loads FF DLLs by itself) | 00:13 |
| rm_you | s/notify no/notify on/ | 00:14 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: ... i added notify on "rm" >_> which causes no end of beeping on #gentoo and #debian | 00:14 |
| Fatal | timelyx: post 140, very good btw | 00:14 |
| Fatal | just finished reading it | 00:14 |
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| rm_you | alright, may do that | 00:14 |
| rm_you | gah wrong window | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: OR maybe have the main window process act as a server for other windows, dunno | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: sorry ;-) | 00:16 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: which is similar to how Chrome approaches the problem, I think. I think you'll catch more flies with honey (or however it goes), and I think timelyx is right: Bugzilla isn't really the right place for logging design concerns. | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, I left #gentoo because of the crash beeping | 00:17 |
| ssvb | RST38h: ok, you suggest a major change in design and you are not sure if it will solve the problems, what's the point then? | 00:17 |
| ssvb | RST38h: you can have a look at the design of captive (http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/), it was used to provide ntfs read/write support before ntfs3g got developed | 00:18 |
| ssvb | RST38h: it had to rely on unreliable closed source binary drivers from windows | 00:18 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12-N800: yeah sorry, i hate renice because the man / help is awful | 00:19 |
| * timelyx can never remember which way to go | 00:19 | |
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| timelyx | Fatal: thanks :) | 00:20 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: higher number is "nicer" to everythiing else, i.e. higher number == lower priority. | 00:21 |
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| * Jaffa always has to think about it | 00:21 | |
| qwerty12-N800 | timelyx: yeah :), watchdog rebooted my tablet though. probably didn't help that i was untarring a 80mb bz2 at the same time :/. i used htop to do it | 00:21 |
| timelyx | heh | 00:22 |
| * qwerty12-N800 is used to the windows way of priority thinking which imho is better | 00:22 | |
| timelyx | qwerty12-N800: anyway, if you can find a way that makes the device happier than default | 00:22 |
| timelyx | oh, the windows way is *much* better | 00:22 |
| timelyx | bah, unix sucks | 00:22 |
| Fatal | timelyx: curiously enough, the one garfield minus garfield strip I've found to describe some of my workdays (saved by my rss2imap thankfully) got deleted, but here, I think you need it: http://stukach.com/deleted_garfield_minus_garfield_2008-09-05.png | 00:22 |
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| timelyx | thanks! | 00:22 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I am not interesting in creating a better world. | 00:23 |
| RST38h | s/interesting/interested/ | 00:23 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: Jaffa: I am not interested in creating a better world. | 00:23 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Just making some comments while passing by. | 00:24 |
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| derf | Okay, it took 2.8 GB to install. | 00:25 |
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| timelyx | derf: fwiw, i recommend the mozilla.org maemo vm which is at least a 4gb vm | 00:26 |
| timelyx | i can't remember how big, but it's a barely reasonable minimum and has a decent default set of stuff | 00:27 |
| derf | timelyx: There's now way I can get that much free disk space. | 00:27 |
| timelyx | i've actually asked the person who made it to make a bigger vm | 00:27 |
| timelyx | derf: what os? | 00:27 |
| derf | Gentoo. | 00:27 |
| timelyx | ZFS/NTFS support compression | 00:27 |
| timelyx | hrm... ebuild install solaris | 00:27 |
| derf | I hate Solaris. | 00:27 |
| derf | Almost more than Windows. | 00:28 |
| timelyx | technically there are a few file systems linux supports that can do compression | 00:28 |
| timelyx | i just wouldn't trust any of them ;-) | 00:28 |
| derf | Yes, neither would I. | 00:28 |
| ssvb | derf: buy a new hard drive? ;) | 00:29 |
| derf | ssvb: At some point I will just get a new laptop. | 00:29 |
| ssvb | derf: you are using gentoo on laptop? | 00:29 |
| derf | This was the largest 2.5 GB drive they sold at the time. | 00:30 |
| derf | ssvb: Yes. | 00:30 |
| derf | *2.5 inch | 00:30 |
| timelyx | how big? | 00:30 |
| derf | 100 GB | 00:30 |
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| derf | I constantly run with about 100 MB free. | 00:30 |
| timelyx | could be worse | 00:31 |
| timelyx | my laptop hit <1mb free a few weeks ago | 00:31 |
| timelyx | that kinda broke firefox | 00:31 |
| derf | Oh, that happens all the time. | 00:31 |
| timelyx | because the sqlengine got into a out of disk condition | 00:31 |
| derf | I don't use Firefox. | 00:31 |
| timelyx | and doesn't reset | 00:31 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 00:32 | |
| timelyx | you can't use wine for google chrome atm | 00:32 |
| ssvb | derf: 100GB should be more than enough, probably you just need to find and remove/backup some rarely used crap :) | 00:32 |
| timelyx | wine is missing a bunch of things :) | 00:32 |
| * qwerty12-N800 doesn't like google chrome | 00:32 | |
| derf | I don't know what the new toolchain has in it, but it uses 2.1 GB more disk space than the old one. | 00:32 |
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| derf | ssvb: I do image processing research. | 00:33 |
| derf | 100 GB is nowhere near enough. | 00:33 |
| ssvb | derf: ouch | 00:33 |
| derf | I'd stick a 1 TB drive in here if they made one. | 00:33 |
| derf | And I'd still fill it up. | 00:33 |
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| timelyx | derf: do you really need to do the research locally? | 00:34 |
| timelyx | i do all my work remotely | 00:34 |
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| derf | timelyx: I travel a lot, and internet access is not always plentiful. | 00:35 |
| timelyx | :( | 00:35 |
| timelyx | firewire external drive? :) | 00:35 |
| derf | Plus I like to be able to see the images without sucking them down through a 32kbps straw. | 00:35 |
| timelyx | [nsfw] http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html | 00:36 |
| derf | Yeah, I probably should, but I don't trust any of them, and they're a PITA to lug around with everything else. | 00:36 |
| timelyx | derf: how small is your straw today? | 00:36 |
| * mavhc loves chrome, mostly because I'm the guy with 160 tabs in firefox using 1GB of ram and using procexp to find out that flash thread is using 99% cpu | 00:36 | |
| derf | I'm actually home today, so 200 K/s down. | 00:37 |
| timelyx | derf: try it :) | 00:37 |
| lcuk_busy | timelyx, what are you stress testing? your server or loading on device? | 00:37 |
| timelyx | lcuk_busy: any device | 00:37 |
| timelyx | the server is dream host, it'll deal | 00:37 |
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| timelyx | lcuk_busy: fwiw, that's killed a bunch of boxes | 00:37 |
| timelyx | including some BSDs | 00:37 |
| timelyx | some phones, a samsung Q1 (?), ... | 00:38 |
| timelyx | it's a fun page | 00:38 |
| lcuk_busy | firefox is up at 500mb actual 700 page | 00:38 |
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| timelyx | firefox these days actually does reasonably well | 00:38 |
| timelyx | iirc it actually killed chrome once | 00:38 |
| * timelyx was amused by that | 00:38 | |
| lcuk_busy | that shows something cool | 00:39 |
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| lcuk_busy | now its loaded, at rest at a location firefox is stable at 153mb and 322mb | 00:39 |
| timelyx | yeah, it took quite a few years before firefox finally handled it well | 00:40 |
| lcuk_busy | when i move it shoots up to 900mb and 1.3gb before settling back down when i stop again | 00:40 |
| timelyx | yep | 00:40 |
| timelyx | that's expected | 00:40 |
| timelyx | from memory n4/ie5 used 885mb to load the page | 00:40 |
| lcuk_busy | thats impressive - thats its dynamic caching in effect | 00:40 |
| timelyx | the difference between that number and the 1.2g number is the alpha channel | 00:41 |
| timelyx | n4/ie5 didn't do alpha | 00:41 |
| * lcuk_busy tips his hat to the developer :) | 00:41 | |
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| timelyx | so it was cheaper for them :( | 00:41 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | ~lart box.net | 00:42 |
| * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on box.net | 00:42 | |
| lcuk_busy | i was considering loading the images as a stress test on the device | 00:42 |
| lcuk_busy | until i noticed how many there were | 00:42 |
| timelyx | iirc there's an ostress.html and mstress.html | 00:42 |
| timelyx | they're smaller versions | 00:42 |
| timelyx | fwiw microb does fairly well | 00:43 |
| timelyx | or at least did the last time we tried | 00:43 |
| qwerty12-N800 | i loaded the link because it said nsfw | 00:43 |
| timelyx | heh | 00:43 |
| lcuk_busy | lol | 00:43 |
| lcuk_busy | it crashed ff when i reran it | 00:43 |
| Pavlov | hey, i'm trying to get oprofile setup on my n810 -- looking at http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/oprofile/ -- two questions: is it possible to install the kernel on the device with this flasher tool, or do i need to do it from my desktop, and either way, where do i get the tool? | 00:44 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: google for flasher should find it | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | does anyone else run into issues when running a browser and pidgin? Like, lots of lag, sometimes the browser not loading things because of low memory, etc. | 00:44 |
| timelyx | there are plenty of wiki pages for that | 00:44 |
| derf | Hey, Copenhagen! | 00:44 |
| derf | I've been there. | 00:44 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Pavlov: you can flash the kernel from the device itself | 00:44 |
| timelyx | maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 00:45 |
| Pavlov | Page "HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux" not found in wiki Wiki. | 00:45 |
| timelyx | derf: where did you see copenhagen? | 00:45 |
| derf | timelyx: The mermaid. | 00:45 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: gah, i hate our wiki reorgs, one sec | 00:45 |
| derf | I mean, I've been to that exact spot. | 00:45 |
| timelyx | derf: i haven't loaded stress in perhaps a year, direct url? :) | 00:46 |
| timelyx | Jaffa, is http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page dead??! | 00:46 |
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| derf | http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/DanMac8Nautisk1024x768.jpg | 00:46 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: google cache would work ... | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | timelyx, https works | 00:47 |
| RST38h | all right, input cues show up with fb0, sleep time | 00:47 |
| timelyx | wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? | 00:47 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: that link should work... | 00:47 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie: did you get the kismet stuff sorted? | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, yup | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, thanks | 00:48 |
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| timelyx | derf: hrm, i'll have to go there and see it | 00:48 |
| timelyx | it's sad, but i can't recall the picture | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | Pavlov, does RantPavlov ring a bell? | 00:48 |
| timelyx | i thought i'd kinda memorized all of them | 00:48 |
| Pavlov | timelyx: hrm, none of these seem to say how to flash a new kernel on the device itself | 00:49 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: that's a new thing | 00:49 |
| timelyx | but that page *should* mention it :) | 00:49 |
| timelyx | anyway that page does have the link to get flasher | 00:49 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Pavlov: running diablo? | 00:49 |
| timelyx | and instructions for via usb | 00:49 |
| timelyx | he better be :) | 00:50 |
| Pavlov | qwerty12-N800: yeah, i had this all working before i upgraded ;p | 00:50 |
| derf | So, seamonkey is cheating. | 00:50 |
| derf | It's using 230 M, but X is using 1.3 GB. | 00:50 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | Pavlov: sudo fiasco-flasher -f -k ;) | 00:50 |
| Pavlov | sweet | 00:50 |
| Pavlov | timelyx: yeah, i just can't find my usb cable | 00:50 |
| timelyx | derf: btw Pavlov's the guy who did most of that work | 00:50 |
| timelyx | so that hat tip is to him :) | 00:51 |
| Pavlov | which work? | 00:51 |
| timelyx | making http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html use reasonable amounts of ram :) | 00:51 |
| Pavlov | oh | 00:51 |
| Pavlov | heh | 00:51 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12-N800: fix the wiki ;-) | 00:52 |
| Pavlov | still a little excessive | 00:52 |
| qwerty12-N800 | timelyx: I'm on a tablet + i'm tired + my wiki knowledge sucks :p | 00:52 |
| timelyx | Pavlov: more fixes welcome ;-) | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | yeah | 00:53 |
| timelyx | qwerty12-N800: alright, find a partner, maybe derf or crashanddie :) | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | got a few things up my sleaves | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | wait, what? | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | sleeves too | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800 can't be my partner | 00:53 |
| qwerty12-N800 | + I'm also dreaming up the perfect configure line to compile net-snnp for mips | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | he's under age, I'd end up in prison | 00:53 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lmao | 00:53 |
| timelyx | crashanddie: i had that experience dancing one day in San Francisco | 00:54 |
| timelyx | amusing story, but i don't think i'll archive it here | 00:54 |
| timelyx | ask me @summit ;-) | 00:54 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie: psst, ask timelyx and tell me and i'll post it everywhere | 00:55 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, i'm not going to the summit | 00:55 |
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| jonek | hi, where can I find 'pand' on the N810 with diablo? it doesn't seem to be included in bluez-utils anymore... where is it gone? | 00:57 |
| * qwerty12-N800 had wished that someone would have put subversion in diablo extras by now... i may get off my ass and do it soon :/ | 00:57 | |
| qwerty12-N800 | jonek: bluez-utils-test | 00:58 |
| crashanddie | timelyx, what do you want me to do? | 00:59 |
| timelyx | explain how to use fiasco-flasher from the tablet in the flashing article on wiki.maemo.org | 01:00 |
| Pavlov | ok | 01:00 |
| jonek | qwerty12-N800: thx - which repository do I have to include to get it? | 01:00 |
| Pavlov | i thikn i am oprofile enabled | 01:00 |
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| derf | Which sb devkits do I need for maemo again? | 01:01 |
| qwerty12-N800 | jonek: sorry but i'm too tired to dig up the info, deb is here though; http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/b/bluez-utils/ | 01:02 |
| jonek | qwerty12-N800: thx | 01:02 |
| timelyx | that should be the normal diablo system repo.. | 01:03 |
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| crashanddie | timelyx, I have no idea how to do that :P | 01:03 |
| timelyx | qwerty12-N800 seems to | 01:04 |
| timelyx | get him to explain :) | 01:04 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | oh, it's easy :). add a pointer to the root access page that is on the wiki and run sudo gainroot and fiasco-flasher -f -k <kernel zImage> to flash a kernel. to flash an initfs is the same except you fiasco-flasher -R -f -k <initfs jffs2 image> | 01:07 |
| qwerty12-N800 | *fiasco-flasher -R -f -i <initfs jffs2 image> | 01:07 |
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| * Stskeeps watches his armel qemu install debian.. | 01:10 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:10 |
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| derf | So, anyway, I can't get anything to actually run with that toolchain. | 01:13 |
| derf | ./qrreader: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument | 01:14 |
| derf | This is me giving up again. | 01:14 |
| derf | I should have just given up in the first place. | 01:15 |
| timelyx | oh | 01:15 |
| timelyx | that sounds familiar | 01:15 |
| timelyx | iirc it means your linux kernel is configured broken | 01:15 |
| timelyx | please don't ask me to try to remember the specific flag which results in totally unusable scratchboxes | 01:15 |
| timelyx | but iirc it's googlable | 01:15 |
| derf | Works just fine with the 2005 toolchain. | 01:16 |
| derf | I do remember having to flip a kernel option to get sb working initially. | 01:16 |
| derf | But I think I'm beyond the point of caring enough to mess around with compiling new kernels. | 01:16 |
| timelyx | nah | 01:17 |
| timelyx | no recompile required | 01:17 |
| timelyx | it's something twiddable in /proc | 01:17 |
| derf | Google suggests /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield, but I don't have that. | 01:21 |
| ssvb | derf: you need an updated cputransparency package with a new qemu | 01:21 |
| ssvb | derf: at least that's what I needed to run executables built with a new toochain in scratchbox | 01:23 |
| derf | Is that going to need another 2 GB in disk space? | 01:23 |
| derf | Because I haven't got it. | 01:24 |
| timelyx | it shouldn't | 01:24 |
| derf | I wouldn't have thought a dev toolchain would, either. | 01:24 |
| timelyx | gcc? | 01:24 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 01:24 | |
| timelyx | it's basically a full os :) | 01:25 |
| timelyx | glibc on up | 01:25 |
| timelyx | otoh, i'm still curious as to what was eating the space :) | 01:25 |
| timelyx | get a visualizer and ask it :) | 01:25 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure Gentoo's full toolchain is nowhere near that large. | 01:25 |
| ssvb | derf: gentoo's minimal installation is also pretty large | 01:27 |
| derf | Sure, but I don't need a whole system. | 01:27 |
| derf | I just need a compiler. | 01:27 |
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| ssvb | derf: have you tried crossdev in gentoo by the way? | 01:28 |
| derf | Maybe? | 01:28 |
| derf | I think I used that for mingw32 compiling. | 01:28 |
| derf | But maybe I used something else. | 01:28 |
| ssvb | it can be also used for ARM | 01:29 |
| derf | Anyway... qemu-arm-cvs-m? | 01:29 |
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| derf | That seems to be the only new option. | 01:29 |
| ssvb | yes | 01:29 |
| derf | And now my code works. | 01:29 |
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| derf | Lots of fun messages from the assembler like | 01:32 |
| derf | {standard input}:20032: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different | 01:32 |
| derf | But since it works I'll assume they're harmless. | 01:32 |
| ssvb | derf: http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2007-11/msg00046.html | 01:34 |
| ssvb | it's a harmless warning for ARMv6 | 01:34 |
| ssvb | gas is too pedantic here, reporting a problem that is not relevant for ARMv6 | 01:36 |
| jonek | I am running a pan bluetooth connection between my N810 and my PC but dns doesn't work although I followed the dnsmasq instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking. I can ping my nameserver's IP and nslookup a.host.de <DNS IP> works fine in xterm. but a nslookup a.host.de doesn't work - what is the problem? | 01:38 |
| ssvb | derf: btw, any plans for ARM optimizations for theora? | 01:41 |
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| derf | ssvb: Yes. As soon as I learn ARM asm. | 01:41 |
| ssvb | derf: ok, I see, I just thought about looking at improving ffmpeg theora decoder | 01:43 |
| derf | ssvb: Making it work would be nice. | 01:44 |
| ssvb | as it is going to be used for video on web, it might make sense to give it a hand | 01:44 |
| ssvb | i'm sick of flash :) | 01:44 |
| derf | ssvb: There's still work that could be done on the C portions of libtheoradec, if you're bored. | 01:44 |
| ssvb | I like LGPL license a bit better :) | 01:46 |
| derf | Even RMS approves of us using BSD. | 01:47 |
| towo | Which seriously is not a strong argument at all. | 01:48 |
| timelyx | lcuk_busy fwiw http://www.squarefree.com/2007/09/20/firefox-memory-usage-and-memory-leak-news/ talks about the memory behavior, it wasn't all pavlov | 01:51 |
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| crashanddie | w00t, I have 7 karma points :D | 01:55 |
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| Proteous | heh | 02:00 |
| derf | lardman|gone: QR code decoding committed. | 02:01 |
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| ssvb | derf: are you still here? | 03:09 |
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| derf | ssvb: Yes. | 03:19 |
| ssvb | derf: I was just checking vorbis spec, looks page is cut on the right side in pdf file, page 36 | 03:21 |
| ssvb | but I found the same information in html already | 03:21 |
| derf | I don't think we can even generate the PDF version anymore. | 03:22 |
| derf | DocBook has bitrotted out from underneath us. | 03:22 |
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| ssvb | anyway, what does "packet undecodable" mean? what the compliant decoder should do in this case? | 03:22 |
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| derf | I don't think the specification ever says. | 03:24 |
| derf | So you can do anything "reasonable". | 03:24 |
| derf | E.g., substitute silence, throw the samples away, try to do some more sophisticated interpolation... | 03:25 |
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| derf | The only real guarantee is that a compliant decoder correctly decodes compliant streams. | 03:26 |
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| ssvb | I see, thanks. Cloning 'oggdec' behaviour would be the best choice probably | 03:27 |
| derf | It should certainly be a reasonable choice. | 03:27 |
| derf | Whatever you do, don't try to decode partial data that may be corrupt. | 03:28 |
| derf | You might blow out Monty's speakers. | 03:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nice, an iPhone article finally made it to Planet | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That certainly sounds like a sign-off letter, can we stop syndicating his blog then? | 04:57 |
| timelyx | heh | 05:00 |
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| timelyx | yeah, delist him | 05:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles is writing the flasher usage page. | 05:04 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders how, exactly, fiasco-flasher plans on flashing the rootfs. | 05:04 | |
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| dontupanic | does this room have a question bot set up ? | 05:05 |
| timelyx | ~help | 05:06 |
| dontupanic | thank you | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, say hello. | 05:06 |
| infobot | hello. | 05:06 |
| timelyx | yeah, don't use ~help, you'll regret it | 05:06 |
| timelyx | it's just infobot | 05:06 |
| dontupanic | ok | 05:06 |
| dontupanic | infobot update n810 | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 05:07 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:07 |
| dontupanic | thanks | 05:07 |
| dontupanic | ya that is more like it. thanks all | 05:08 |
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| mdg | anyone using a bluetooth adapter with their PC to connect to their N770? | 05:33 |
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| mdg | My 770 sees my desktop computer via bluetooth, but when I try to pair I get a message that there are no services available? | 05:35 |
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| timelyx | are you telling us or asking us? | 05:37 |
| timelyx | because we really don't know your computer :) | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 05:37 |
| infobot | methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 05:37 |
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| mdg | My 770 tells me there are no services, but I have enabled all bluetooth services on my desktop | 05:39 |
| timelyx | what services does your desktop claim to offer? | 05:40 |
| timelyx | bluez-utils or bluez-utils-test has tools which let you browse bluetooth services | 05:41 |
| timelyx | in case you don't trust us | 05:41 |
| mdg | input service, network service, audio service and serial service - all "running" | 05:41 |
| timelyx | look at the bluez commandline tool and see what it says | 05:42 |
| timelyx | but which of those did you expect the 770 to use? | 05:42 |
| mdg | input or network | 05:43 |
| timelyx | network is probably pand which we definitely didn't ship support for | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | input is presumably HID | 05:43 |
| timelyx | supposedly pand is in bluez-utils(-test) | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | which the 770 doesn't provide | 05:43 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: provide as client or server? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you can connect a keyboard to the 770, but you can't make the 770 behave as a keyboard for the computer. | 05:44 |
| timelyx | but yeah HID was a feature we only vaguely supported w/ n800 and later | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not without 3rd party software, anyway. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~PAN | 05:44 |
| infobot | Gnome/GTK Newsreader. URL: http://www.superpimp.org/ | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~bluetooth-pan | 05:44 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i'm pretty sure he's trying to do the former | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 05:45 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 05:45 |
| mdg | what about the other way around - use the computer keyboard to run the 770? | 05:45 |
| timelyx | mdg: there's a keyboard control panel applet iirc | 05:45 |
| timelyx | and maybe a second one labeled something else... | 05:45 |
| mdg | for os2006? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, VNC is the easier way to go about getting that | 05:46 |
| timelyx | keyboard as an applet shipped w/ the os | 05:46 |
| timelyx | but yeah | 05:46 |
| timelyx | by the time you're there, what's the point | 05:46 |
| timelyx | use vnc :) | 05:46 |
| mdg | tried VNC last night - no go - I got a weird network setup apparently | 05:46 |
| timelyx | install ssh(-server) | 05:47 |
| mdg | I have one wireless desktop that I would love to use to access the 770, wifi is provided by a belkin router | 05:47 |
| mdg | ssh-server on the desktop or the 770? | 05:48 |
| timelyx | personally i'd stick both on both | 05:49 |
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| timelyx | it makes life simpler | 05:49 |
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| mdg | can I make a "mini" network between my wireless desktop and 770, not using wifi from router? | 05:49 |
| timelyx | yes | 05:49 |
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| mdg | I have open sshserver on 770 | 05:50 |
| timelyx | but if you have to ask, then you'll probably regret trying to do it :) | 05:50 |
| mdg | would that be considered an ad hoc connection - wireless desktop to 770? | 05:50 |
| timelyx | is the desktop wired to the router or wireless? | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, you did install x11vnc on the tablet, right? | 05:50 |
| mdg | the one I want to setup is wireless (the one I am using now is not). Yes X11vnc on 770 | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you started it from the menu? | 05:51 |
| mdg | will try starting it now ->> | 05:52 |
| mdg | okay, nothing happens when I start it from the menu - I must be missing something | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you got a "connection refused" when trying to connect with VNC from your computer to your tablet, then the vnc server on the tablet wasn't started. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, it doesn't give any notification. | 05:52 |
| timelyx | nice | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it works. . . . | 05:53 |
| timelyx | no one considered adding a system notification area thing? | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They may have, but it's basically a recompile. | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even available in a repository. | 05:53 |
| mdg | next step would be what? Open a terminal on 770? | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try to connect to VNC from the computer. | 05:53 |
| mdg | I'm at my wired desktop right now - I don't think it will do anything | 05:55 |
| mdg | I will try and see what happens | 05:55 |
| mdg | I type "vncserver" and it tells me "New 'x' Desktop is name-desktop:1" | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want the client | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're connecting to a server | 05:57 |
| mdg | so I should be typing "vncclient?" | 05:58 |
| mdg | what would client app be called? vncclient didn't work | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't Mint Ubuntu-based? | 06:00 |
| mdg | yes | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a "Terminal Server Client" in the application menu somewhere? | 06:00 |
| bef0rd | vncviewer | 06:00 |
| mdg | I don't see "terminal Server client" | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html if you want a GUI. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | bef0rd sounds like he can help here. ;) | 06:01 |
| mdg | so I should download tightvnc - let me check in synaptic | 06:02 |
| bef0rd | mdg, try typing on a terminal 'vncviewer' | 06:02 |
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| mdg | vncviewer is installed on my desktop and it came up with a little box asking for ip address | 06:04 |
| mdg | shoot - I forgot what my Nokia's IP is | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 06:05 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx ^ | 06:05 |
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| mdg | I forgot how to see the IP address of my 770 | 06:07 |
| timelyx | connection manager's app menu has a way.. | 06:08 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: This is a sentence. this is not a proper sentence. | 06:08 |
| mdg | got it - thanks! | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't bother to proof it | 06:09 |
| timelyx | It is available for Linux and OS X (OS X users can only use flasher-2.0, but it will work the same as flasher-3.0) from here | 06:09 |
| timelyx | using "here" sucks | 06:09 |
| timelyx | <Download flasher> for Linux and OS X (...). | 06:09 |
| mdg | It say "Unable to connect to VNC server" and "vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host | 06:10 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: err.. the instructions for flashing say not to plug the device into power | 06:10 |
| mdg | that's my weird network setup again right? | 06:11 |
| timelyx | the risk is that its state is wrong | 06:11 |
| timelyx | or that it loses power when you trip on the cable | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you're fine to plug it into power after it's in flashing-mode. | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 06:11 |
| timelyx | that's the general theory | 06:12 |
| timelyx | i haven't checked w/ the people who work on it | 06:12 |
| timelyx | i do know that the windows flasher goes to extremes to tell you *not* to leave it plugged in while flashing | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well, whatever, I've removed it. | 06:12 |
| timelyx | and most flasher things say very clearly "don't remove power while flashing" | 06:12 |
| timelyx | for laptops that means "charge first and remove cables" | 06:12 |
| timelyx | unless you're clear on what you're doing. | 06:13 |
| timelyx | 'clear' is a bad word | 06:13 |
| mdg | what's the latest os the 770 can be upgraded to? | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man the quality has gone to shit with the new MX Revolutions. . . . | 06:13 |
| timelyx | it's from some specific slang, i don't know which | 06:13 |
| timelyx | mdg: you can get a 2007 or a 2008 | 06:13 |
| timelyx | all of 2006, 2007, and 2008 have strange support terms :) | 06:13 |
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| vanRijn | re, all | 06:14 |
| mdg | I tried to flash through MInt - what a nightmare, tried through windows and it refused to find the file | 06:14 |
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| vanRijn | does anyone know what the largest miniSD card the latest firmware supports? is the limit still at 8GB? | 06:14 |
| timelyx | [edit] flasher-3.0 | 06:14 |
| timelyx | All of the options for flasher-3.0 | 06:14 |
| timelyx | fiasco-flasher | 06:15 |
| timelyx | All of the options for fiasco-flasher. | 06:15 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the line 'All of' is useless and inconsistently punctuated | 06:15 |
| timelyx | save time and remove the line ;-) | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Done | 06:16 |
| timelyx | it's 6am | 06:16 |
| mdg | If vncviewer does not connect then will SSH work? | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | "At the sound of the tone, the time will be . . ." | 06:18 |
| timelyx | 6:21am | 06:20 |
| mdg | how do you turn off X11vnc? | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Run it from the menu again. | 06:21 |
| mdg | oh! | 06:21 |
| vanRijn | hm. I thought micro sdhc cards came in 16 and 32 GB capacities, but I can't find anyone who actually sells them. =:/ does anyone know if the N810 with the latest Maemo firmware will support something higher than 8gb? | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware limit is 2048GB | 06:24 |
| mdg | WOW! | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | SDHC is supposedly limited to 32GB at the moment | 06:25 |
| timelyx | the 8gb limit was because that's all that was available for testing | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I think that's a FAT limitation or something, I'm not clear on the details. | 06:25 |
| timelyx | fat16 or fat32? | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, Nokia didn't have anything higher to test with, so they can't really officially state that it'll work if they haven't tested it, but it'll work fine. | 06:26 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: so if I can find a 12GB sdhc card, it should work in the n810? | 06:26 |
| timelyx | i'd sue someone for selling a 12g card :) | 06:26 |
| vanRijn | oh, and do you have to format it as fat32? or would xfs work? | 06:26 |
| * timelyx doesn't think maemo supports xfs :) | 06:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on how you want to use it | 06:26 |
| vanRijn | timelyx: what do you mean? | 06:26 |
| timelyx | 12 isn't a power of 2 | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Options are: FAT32, ext2, ext3. | 06:26 |
| timelyx | it'd be insane to try to create such a card | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6 and 12GB cards exist | 06:26 |
| timelyx | really? | 06:26 |
| timelyx | gah | 06:27 |
| timelyx | why!? | 06:27 |
| Proteous | why not? | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/08/ces_sandisk_12gb/ | 06:27 |
| vanRijn | timelyx: http://www.gadgetvenue.com/12gb-sandisk-micro-sdhc-01102749/ | 06:27 |
| Proteous | 3 4gb cards in parallel | 06:27 |
| Proteous | 4 4gb cards in raid5 | 06:27 |
| Proteous | FTW | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_.28non-SDHC.29_cards_with_greater_than_1_GB_capacity | 06:27 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: have you had any experience with > 8gb cards in an n810? | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't own an N810 | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I have used 16GB cards in an N800. | 06:28 |
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| mdg | 16GB - are you storing videos? | 06:28 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: no problems? | 06:28 |
| timelyx | anyway fat16 had a 4g limit and fat32's limit isn't really reachable | 06:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | vanRijn, like I said before, it'll work fine. | 06:29 |
| vanRijn | timelyx: I don't have any windows machines.. all Linux... so I have no interest in using FAT at all. =:) | 06:29 |
| timelyx | vanRijn: whatever | 06:29 |
| timelyx | ext3 sucks | 06:29 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: heh. okay. thanks for clarifying. =:) | 06:29 |
| Proteous | I use fat to cook my fries | 06:29 |
| vanRijn | Proteous: lol | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, movies, music, ebooks, maps, other operating systems. | 06:29 |
| timelyx | Proteous: how's that work for you? | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of space-eating things. | 06:29 |
| Proteous | very good, nice and crunchy | 06:30 |
| mdg | other operating systems? | 06:30 |
| timelyx | os x :) | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Deblet, a backup of OS2008, another OS2008 with KDE | 06:30 |
| vanRijn | oh, and are there any free gps apps coming so I don't have to fork over money for wayfinder? i'd really like turn-by-turn, talking sweetness. =:D | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~musthaves | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~must-haves | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~must-have | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~musthave | 06:30 |
| infobot | somebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper | 06:31 |
| vanRijn | hah | 06:31 |
| vanRijn | oh | 06:31 |
| vanRijn | sweet | 06:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | or Roadmap if you're into vector maps. | 06:31 |
| mdg | I dont' know what maemo mapper is? | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it isn't as polished. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still haven't gotten around to writing a wiki article on it. . . . | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gnuite.com/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 06:32 |
| mdg | oh map program! | 06:33 |
| mdg | I can't get networking, I don't think maemo mapper is gonna help me find anything! LOL | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No networking? | 06:34 |
| mdg | Oh wifi yes - I can get on the net via my wifi router, but the VNC stuff - not working | 06:34 |
| mdg | 2 wired linux mint, 1 wireless linux mint and 2 win XP (ick) | 06:35 |
| mdg | and now 770 because I sold my 333 Mhz laptop | 06:36 |
| mdg | Oh, and I G4 iMac (wired) | 06:36 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: could you please yell at the last commenter in 3705 | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla doesn't want to load | 06:39 |
| timelyx | heh | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I probably don't feel like getting involved, anyway. | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll make andre handle it instead. | 06:39 |
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| timelyx | ok | 06:40 |
| mdg | Can I ask, what is the red line across the chart area that keeps showing up in X-chat? | 06:40 |
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| timelyx | shows you what you last saw | 06:40 |
| mdg | sorry chat area | 06:40 |
| timelyx | to help you catch up | 06:41 |
| mdg | oh! | 06:41 |
| mdg | You can't tell I'm new to this can you? LOL | 06:41 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 06:41 | |
| timelyx | i asked too | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not the most clearly intuitive thing in the world. | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Useful once you figure it out, though. | 06:42 |
| timelyx | right | 06:42 |
| mdg | Can I ask a hypthetical VNC question/ | 06:43 |
| mdg | please excuse my spelling | 06:43 |
| mdg | only me and my 770 and one other person with a wifi enabled laptop - but no other wifi around - we would both pickup wifi from each other? | 06:44 |
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| mdg | read a post on Ubuntu forums about 770's and 800's running a version of Ubuntu? | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not exactly easy to set up. ;) | 06:52 |
| bef0rd | I though Ubuntu Mobile Edition was only for x86 | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not the Mobile edition | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mojo.handhelds.org/ | 06:53 |
| mdg | I'm not having any luck with anything | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 is old | 06:54 |
| mdg | I know, but my pockets are going to be empty for a while | 06:54 |
| mdg | so no one uses them anymore? | 06:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, some people do | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's not well supported anymore. | 06:55 |
| mdg | so basically light websurfing, email, look at pictures and listen to mp3s? Oh and a game or two | 06:57 |
| mdg | it would be nice if I could also have it be able to send web pages I find to the printer - but again the networking stuff | 06:58 |
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| mdg | what do you all use for networking your linux computers? Linneighborhood? Just Samba? | 07:00 |
| vanRijn | mdg: network file sharing, you mean? I use NFS. | 07:02 |
| mdg | okay. Thanks everyone for the help! I'll go find a networking chat and torture them for a while :) LOL | 07:04 |
| mdg | Night all | 07:04 |
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| lopz | night | 07:10 |
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| mdg | hey, thought I would pop back in to tell you I finally got VNC working - right now I am viewing my desktop on my 770! | 07:15 |
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| mdg | Thank you everyone for all the great help! Finally, something works! | 07:17 |
| mdg | Night all! | 07:17 |
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| bef0rd | Thanks, he is already installing Xcode from dmg file | 07:25 |
| bef0rd | ehhm, wrong channel >_> | 07:25 |
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| coffee88 | hi. anyone using eclipse and esbox for maemo dev here? | 09:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Morning StsN800 | 09:54 |
| * qwerty12 passes RST38h a bucket | 09:54 | |
| RST38h | thanks and good morning =) | 09:54 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, good morning RST38h | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard | 09:55 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard ! | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | incidentally, module-assistant is some cool shit | 09:57 |
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| RST38h | unlucky qwerty | 09:58 |
| qwerty13 | Hehe, it's a result of stealing internet :P | 09:58 |
| StsN800 | morn qwerty12 | 09:58 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: delisting colin doesn't make sense *quite* yet. | 09:58 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Don't they jail you for this in UK? =) | 09:59 |
| qwerty13 | Probably do | 09:59 |
| * RST38h wanted to get a static IP address recently and was told to install VPN | 10:00 | |
| RST38h | They are afraid that somebody will cut in and impersonate my IP address | 10:00 |
| RST38h | Over the *Ethernet*. | 10:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK, but how about after the next iPhone article? :P | 10:18 |
| tank-man | why is he comparing a phone to a nonphone device? | 10:21 |
| tank-man | people keep wishing n8x0 had gsm, sounds like they are wishing their phones did more | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't understand people who want to hold a brick like an internet tablet up to their ears. | 10:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or try to use Hildon for a phone. . . . | 10:23 |
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| zap | the ideal phone would use a simplisic interface on their primary (small) display and a full-featured desktop on secondary display, like a projector or something like a paper roll which can be pulled out of its back :) | 10:24 |
| qwerty13 | I don't understand the knobs who won't just buy an iPhone if they are in love with it so much. | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 10:24 |
| zap | oh my, qwerty12 upgraded his firmware | 10:25 |
| qwerty13 | I can't be bothered to change my nick even though it's right next to where I'm typing. Yes, I'm that lazy. :P | 10:26 |
| qwerty13 | ~lart ubuntu | 10:26 |
| * infobot slams ubuntu against a large cement Tux | 10:26 | |
| zap | thats perversion - slapping ubuntu with a tux | 10:26 |
| qwerty13 | What is perversion is the ubuntu people removing squashfs lzma from Hardy >.< | 10:27 |
| zap | I can understand them | 10:28 |
| zap | lzma sources are a big mess | 10:28 |
| qwerty13 | Alas, I need it though :(. module-assistant keeps building me modules with lzma symbols undefined which makes it useless :/ | 10:28 |
| qwerty13 | But for every person that starts comparing the tablet to an iPhone, point them to Aisu's iTablet and leave it there | 10:28 |
| tank-man | so thats what an iphone is? an app launcher? :) | 10:30 |
| qwerty13 | Perhaps not, but why not piss them off as they piss us off :) | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll buy that. | 10:31 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty13: They don't piss /me/ off (well, as long as it's an intelligent discussion about the advantages of a mainstream portable computing device with a niche one) | 10:49 |
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| qwerty13 | Jaffa: To me, there is too much of these Tablets V iPhone discussions. I don't think I've ever read one where anything has been achieved. After all, Nokia aren't going to be rushing overnight to make the tablet iPhone like. To me, they are just a pointless waste of time | 10:52 |
| mavhc | shouldn't it be being compared to an ipod touch? | 10:52 |
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| StsN800 | yeah, thats more fair | 10:55 |
| mavhc | and looking at the price differences between touch models you see why there's no sd card slot offered, massive profits | 10:56 |
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| * Jaffa heads off on his Euro-roadtrip. | 10:59 | |
| Jaffa | See (some of) y'all next week. | 10:59 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n80-s2ram? | 11:27 |
| coffee88 | is the new wiki up and running? I just seem to get a blank page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reload | 11:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe force reload if it's in the cache. | 11:29 |
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| coffee88 | tried that a few times... | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Force reload | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | add a shift or alt in there or something | 11:31 |
| coffee88 | bingo. shift reload. thanks. | 11:31 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n800-s2ram? | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: No, don't use it anymore because wakeup time is a little slow (for me anyway) | 11:39 |
| StsN800 | k | 11:39 |
| StsN800 | was wondering how it works technically but there is no src | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I searched for that to no avail. You may have seen my sneaky request to put it in extras-devel ;) | 11:41 |
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| coffee88 | hmm. If I want to use the gnet libraries with OS2008 is it as simple as grabbing the source in scratchbox and building for both targets? | 11:45 |
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| StsN800 | did anyone compile a swsusp kernel btw? | 11:52 |
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| Italodance | hey is xchat availavle for os2008? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | in extras. | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | extras-devel | 12:51 |
| Italodance | oh thank u :) | 12:51 |
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| * Stskeeps groans over system building | 13:15 | |
| Stskeeps | building new deblet structure over scenario "nokia gets run over by a bus" | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:19 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse netgear | 13:20 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, netgear ! | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | so if nokia decides to stop supporting devices, it's always possible to build a deblet system with a armel emulator | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | heh, that's cool | 13:21 |
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| * qwerty12 imagines Stskeeps behind the wheel of a double decker | 13:21 | |
| GAN800 | Ha | 13:22 |
| GAN800 | Filled with fertilizer? | 13:22 |
| GAN800 | 'run over' | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | now for compiling the deblet xomap with rotation support... on my tablet | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | (or wait till my qemu armel box comes back up) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you happen to know if rotation support was added to kernel btw permanently or it's still a patch? | 13:30 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, you're asking whether it's in the official build? :P | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, basically | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | and i assume that's as likely as pigs flying | 13:32 |
| GAN800 | It may happen eventually, but not soon. | 13:33 |
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| RST38h | Sts: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: no bugzilla account | 14:01 |
| GAN800 | http:// | 14:02 |
| GAN800 | and get one. . . . | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/hulger-pappa-skype.jpg | 15:13 |
| RST38h | dead tree skype phon | 15:13 |
| RST38h | e | 15:13 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 15:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. | 15:14 |
| lardman | Hi GeneralAntilles | 15:15 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 15:17 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 15:21 |
| lardman | anything exciting happen over the weekend? | 15:21 |
| * lardman will have to bring a print out of his favourite maemo.org logo and pin it to his T-shirt | 15:21 | |
| RST38h | lardman: well I figured out how to use fb0 | 15:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: VGBA now runs at pretty much the real GBA speed in full screen mode (720x480) | 15:24 |
| RST38h | it will slow down if there are too many GBA video features used, but is otherwise very close to the real thing | 15:25 |
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| lcuk_busy | hi there lardman \o | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | oh, neat, ts calibration is possible under debian \o/ | 15:35 |
| lcuk_busy | Stskeeps, is that using the standard debian module or have you dragged across a maemo modeule | 15:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk_busy: libts-bin, ts_calibrate - uses fb | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | (debian) | 15:46 |
| lcuk_busy | nice indeed | 15:46 |
| lcuk_busy | are you comin to the summit? | 15:46 |
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| lardman | hi lcuk_busy, sorry got shoved off the computer for a bit there :) | 15:50 |
| lcuk_busy | no complains si, everything going well i hope? | 15:51 |
| lcuk_busy | t^ | 15:51 |
| lardman | not bad, another busy weekend - wedding then a christening | 15:52 |
| lardman | you? | 15:52 |
| lcuk_busy | extremely busy, didnt think i would get the bit i wanted in place and spent a week faffing with a direction ive had to rollback on for now | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk_busy: nop - think i'd be a little out of place with my deblet stuff :) | 15:52 |
| * lardman is just wondering if he can get to Berlin with just hand luggage | 15:52 | |
| lardman | Was Jaffa coming by train? Did you see the channel tunnel fire news? | 15:53 |
| lcuk_busy | Stskeeps, its an eco system - come to the next one | 15:53 |
| lcuk_busy | yer i did, its thrown everything off | 15:53 |
| lcuk_busy | he said he was driving around numerous places | 15:53 |
| lcuk_busy | not sure if he got a ferry though | 15:53 |
| lardman | ok | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk_busy: *nod* i was thinking about coming but my gf's expatriation to berlin (traineeship) got moved a month so | 15:53 |
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| lcuk_busy | lardman, hes getting into germany via train, just greppin maemo.log to see if i can find the rest | 15:57 |
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| lcuk_busy | lardman, when are you arriving | 15:59 |
| lardman | um | 15:59 |
| lardman | thursday evening | 15:59 |
| lcuk_busy | heh, ill be there thursday dinner - hopefully by the time you arrive ill know where more are heading | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I swear this is a dupe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3709 | 16:01 |
| lardman | lcuk_busy: cool, where are you staying? | 16:02 |
| lcuk_busy | at some hotel about 40million lightyears away, by the time the linuxtag payment was sorted and our financials were dealt with here everywhere was full | 16:03 |
| lardman | so you were hoping for a blackhole to drift over from cern to get to the venue a bit quicker then? | 16:04 |
| lcuk_busy | not just hoping, it happened http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comment #1: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/n770/iphone3gvsn810.writeback | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's classic | 16:05 |
| lardman | lol | 16:05 |
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| lcuk_busy | and to follow it up, the song which i thought of when lhc went live | 16:06 |
| lcuk_busy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs | 16:06 |
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| lcuk_busy | "this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success." | 16:06 |
| lcuk_busy | i really expected to hear the song on the real news | 16:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Portal? Psh | 16:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's Half-Life all the way. | 16:08 |
| lcuk_busy | well yeah, when gordon gets his hands on the gun all bets are off | 16:08 |
| lcuk_busy | did you play the hacked up version? | 16:08 |
| lcuk_busy | ie portal gun in hl2 | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't play on a PC | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steam can go die in a fire. | 16:09 |
| lcuk_busy | its for mac and xbox isnt it? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steam? For Mac? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahahaha | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clever | 16:09 |
| lcuk_busy | it works with wine then | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Valve hates OS X | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wine is for Linux | 16:10 |
| lcuk_busy | i was sure it was out for mac, ahhh welll you miss out on the single greatest single user series | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I played Orange Box on the 360. | 16:10 |
| lcuk_busy | its not the same on a console | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have to install any stupid DRM bullshit on my computer. | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the exact same content | 16:10 |
| lcuk_busy | cos you bought the stupid computer with the drm already in | 16:11 |
| lcuk_busy | "hello shopkeeper, can i have 3lbs of drm bullshit please" | 16:11 |
| lcuk_busy | "certainly, bend over" | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last time I checked, I didn't have to dial in to the mothership to use my OS. ;) | 16:11 |
| lardman | congrats GeneralAntilles | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do I at least get a cool shirt or something? | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about a mousepad? | 16:12 |
| lardman | Official CIC sticker | 16:12 |
| lcuk_busy | get the man a gavel | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can it be one of those kids toy gavels that squeak? | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn! | 16:14 |
| lardman | Probably wouldn't be allowed to take a wooden one on an aeroplane, so yes | 16:14 |
| lcuk_busy | no, this is serious business | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.supercoolstuff.com/items/misc/pics/NV1337.jpg | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are hammers. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least this now gives me free reign to chase your asses down when I need a response on something. ;) | 16:14 |
| lcuk_busy | they look more like lexx, which looks more other things | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | A giant dragon fly? | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like tim's outline: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 16:17 |
| lcuk_busy | can you make irc have a starred nickname and an automatic footnote when you are in the chan? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you got elected chair? | 16:18 |
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| *** ElGeneralissimo is now known as GeneralAntilles | 16:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, they'll soon learn to regret it, though. ;) | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i was just about to say ;> | 16:19 |
| lcuk_busy | GeneralVader | 16:19 |
| lardman | Indeed, /me wonders what he's done! ;) | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna have X-Fade setup an autodialer at the ISP. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gonna call you and recite emails at you whenever I send them to -community. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | would any of you be interested in an account on a debian armel qemu buildbox btw? i'm setting one up atm | 16:20 |
| lcuk_busy | GeneralAntilles, im surprised you have not been weighing up cochlear implants | 16:20 |
| lcuk_busy | for all council members | 16:20 |
| lardman | some remote electic shock pads more likely ;) | 16:20 |
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| lardman | keep us in line :) | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might just adapt the maemo.org team neck-band tasers to send Morse code. | 16:21 |
| lcuk_busy | whats this "us" - you are on the fluffin council | 16:21 |
| * lcuk_busy runs | 16:21 | |
| RST38h | and make sure those pads are connected to a midi sequencer | 16:21 |
| lardman | lcuk_busy: yeah, well we're supposed to keep you lot in line, and the General keeps us in line :) | 16:21 |
| lcuk_busy | thats good then | 16:22 |
| * lcuk_busy gets popcorn | 16:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit flows downhill. | 16:22 |
| lcuk_busy | and the general has just eaten 5kgs of tacobells finest | 16:22 |
| * lardman is bored of presentation writing | 16:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it too much if I change my signature? :P | 16:25 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: On ITT? | 16:26 |
| lardman | Go for it :) | 16:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mailing list for now | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't decided on itT yet. | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to have to behave over there just yet. . . . :( | 16:26 |
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| lcuk_busy | when i get to the summit with my laptop - do i do anything special to get it working on the projector - or will it be at some silly resolution or something? | 16:30 |
| lcuk_busy | or do i just plug it in just like an external monitor? | 16:30 |
| lardman_ | bring a spare goat | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should be able to just plug it in. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't guarantee anything with Windows, though. | 16:30 |
| lcuk_busy | its ubuntu | 16:31 |
| lcuk_busy | :) | 16:31 |
| housetier | I hope we will have a pc setup for presentations so we won't have to replug the laptops | 16:31 |
| housetier | it never works right out of the box | 16:31 |
| lcuk_busy | housetier, :) hi again, i hope you get one as well | 16:31 |
| housetier | one per projector | 16:32 |
| housetier | we switch speakers but not the hardware | 16:32 |
| lcuk_busy | did you get anywhere with an overhead closeup cam? | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mount a webcam on an a-frame? | 16:33 |
| housetier | we can mount the camera on a drill stand | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even better | 16:34 |
| lcuk_busy | 7nice! thats the linux way - improvisation | 16:34 |
| housetier | looks akward but is stable | 16:34 |
| lcuk_busy | if you dont have a device to test with, just put your phone down and see if it can focus on the screen | 16:34 |
| lcuk_busy | i normally ended up using the macro mode on my camera to get it in focus | 16:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't feeling very inspired for an announcement. | 16:35 | |
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| jonek | hi, I created a DUMMY network in diablo, but it doesn't show up, when I scan for networks - what could be the problem? | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | jonek, did you read the bug? | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~bluetooth-pan | 16:39 |
| infobot | it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, that has the same details. | 16:39 |
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| jonek | yes I have seen that bug, but from what I understand that is only a problem when using PAN with a mobile. I want to use PAN networking via my desktop computer and I managed to get it working yesterday | 16:40 |
| jonek | but today a simple DUMMY doesn't show up again | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You misunderstood | 16:41 |
| jonek | oh | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have anything to do with what you're using it with. | 16:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You need a working DUMMY module to see the network from the connection list. | 16:41 |
| jonek | I know | 16:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which should be solved by installing the latest maemo-pan. | 16:42 |
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| jonek | *hu*? waht does maemo-pan have to do with DUMMY networks? | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | PAN connectivity is achieved through the GUI through a DUMMY network. | 16:42 |
| jonek | yes | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, bergie for the voting software, dneary for coordination, Jaffa for the idea, who am I forgetting to thank? | 16:43 |
| jonek | but I use tablets for a long time and DUMMY networks have never been a problem till I updated to diablo recently | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, it's a bug in Diablo. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~bluetooth-pan | 16:44 |
| infobot | it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read it. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then read the bug that's linked from it. | 16:44 |
| jonek | ok thx | 16:44 |
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| * Jaffa has made it... all the way to Folkestone. | 16:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Drive? | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | Yup. Mother-in-law, Mrs Jaffa and Jaffa Jr. have gone out to see grandparents; notionally so I can work on my presentation. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, any problems traffic wise due to the chunnel closure? is it gonna be busier on the ferry | 17:00 |
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| * RST38h wonders if his tablet will survive this | 17:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, Jaffa, you editing? | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | All of a sudden the formatting changed drastically | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | freaked me out | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: M20 was clear all the way down. Tunnel's still closed to prviate traffic so ferry's *will* be busier. Pre-booked ferry tickets are being guaranteed, though. We're also going Dover -> Dunkirk rather than -> Calais | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: all I did was remove a superfluous "d" from "involve" in the last line. I noticed the sudden jump too - thought it was you ;-) | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, weird. | 17:02 |
| lcuk | fair enough, me n simon were a big concerned earlier - couldnt remember how you were plannin to go :) thankfully i dug in the logs and found your roadtrip plans :P | 17:02 |
| lardman_ | hi Jaffa | 17:02 |
| lcuk | how can i get an openoffice presentation displaying videos? | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman|out, its not really "shopping" if you ask the butcher for 12lbs of bacon | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know how to do links in midgard? | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just normal HTML? | 17:04 |
| lardman|out | lcuk: need bread too to make the sandwiches :p | 17:05 |
| lardman|out | bbl | 17:05 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm bacon | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had too much fatty food to eat yesterday | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bacon in the morning, left over fried chicken for lunch and a burger for dinner. | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I dunno how to do videos, I know I'm fiddling with it to get the right layout. Almost would prefer PowerPoint. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | \@/ right, bbiab i have to ring the missus - tell her to get bacon | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | PowerPoint may suck, but at least it's predictable. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | well i really dont need a projector cos everything i do is live, but as a backup i need a few short videos and would want em controlled by presentation software | 17:07 |
| lcuk | need a presentation^ | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Live demo of tablet-encode and mediaserv, I think. But demoing mud's a bit tricky | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, Jaffa, check that over. | 17:14 |
| lcuk | what are you editing? top secret evil overlord wiki document? | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | yes | 17:15 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | <h1>What are we going to tonight, Brain?</h1> | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | First announcement for the blog. | 17:16 |
| lcuk | top banana | 17:17 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: made a few minor punctuation changes, otherwise looks fine. | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, submitting. | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ideas for a title? | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hello and welcome from the new Maemo Community Council!" sounds a little lame | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | s/and welcome// sounds a bit better | 17:22 |
| lcuk | "BOW DOWN BEFORE US" | 17:22 |
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| Jaffa | "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | *cough* | 17:22 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: "Introducing the new ..." ? | 17:22 |
| lcuk | "all your base are belong to us" | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | Oh, should have a ref to the council talk at the summit | 17:23 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Introducing the new Maemo Community Council" | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lopz. | 17:24 |
| lcuk | im glad im still able to laugh, ive still got a mountain to climb if i want everything finished | 17:24 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what happened to the old maemo council | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | We ate them. | 17:24 |
| lcuk | damn those bacon sprinkles | 17:24 |
| lcuk | they make anything edible | 17:24 |
| lcuk | another tour operator has gone bust - best pack extra pants - it might end up being a longer germany trip | 17:25 |
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| Italodance | hey guys what's this new app sayhoo_0.0-test-20090912.1_all.deb ? | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: added a summit bit | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | eurgh | 17:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's got no formatting. . . . | 17:32 |
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| Italodance | sayhoo? | 17:33 |
| Italodance | oh i got it | 17:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, midgard mutilates that thing when you hit submit | 17:44 |
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| sp3000 | I guess that's what you're submitting it to | 17:47 |
| sp3000 | maybe it says in the fine print ;) | 17:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wish it had a preview. . . . | 17:49 |
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| Jaffa | Where's bergie to defend it? | 17:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 17:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we can get authors for the Council blog. . . . | 18:29 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: would be good | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, konttori. | 18:30 |
| konttori | hi | 18:30 |
| lcuk | invent a time machine and get shakespeare to blog for you. that would be a coup | 18:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haaaaarrrrr | 18:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Poor Tim is suffering. | 18:33 |
| lcuk | you think thats suffering? just wait until the mail system catches up and floods him with 3499282373 new mails by sending him the entire archive multiple times ;) | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | heh | 18:34 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the blog authors thing, im quite certain its only available as "by riff-raff" or "by your esteemed, prestigious master of the realms Ryan "the guv'ner" Abel" | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: snappish (see -community ;-)) | 18:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wanna be Spaghetti | 18:39 |
| lcuk | jaffa, i know i read - the mailing list software doesnt like him | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, lot of people at the conference and going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-)) | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | s/and/aren't/ | 18:40 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Hmm, lot of people at the conference aren't going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-)) | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Bonasera . . . Bonasera . . ." | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | maemoify: verb: (third-person singular simple present maemifies, present participle maemifying, simple past and past participle maemified) | 18:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiktionary it | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | then it'll be official. | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | maemify is not using the whole maemo thing - would it be allowed? | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | heh | 18:47 |
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| Jaffa | Arse. Just remembered I was supposed to put the meat in the oven. I *was* going to put it in later, so it's less like the leather we usually have at my in-laws, but nearly 40 minutes late might be pushing it. | 19:06 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: hmm, new council post doesn't seem to have been syndicated to /news/ yet | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The RSS feed is listed in the Planet list | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hasn't updated yet or something | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | Fairy nuff | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think I have admin access now and could probably fix it | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | but asgard scared the pants off me when I poked around in there this morning. | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | heh | 19:59 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you are important now, you shouldnt be poking anywhere, take an ensign with you (preferably one with a red maemo tshirt ;) | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do I get to make it with the alien chicks? | 20:02 |
| lcuk | only the green ones | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | /nick GeneralAntilles CaptainJaneway <---- that's more like it ;-) | 20:03 |
| lcuk | or those lacking in common sense and having low moral fibre | 20:03 |
| lcuk | PMSL! | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 20:03 |
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| GAN800 | I've been rewatching Voyager, too. . . . | 20:03 |
| lcuk | you know how well the maemo ship is runnin by how perfect his hair looks | 20:04 |
| GAN800 | Staple of my childhood that. | 20:04 |
| lcuk | you know you are in for a shit day when it looks like windy wednesday | 20:04 |
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| Jaffa | Childhood? Eek, I feel old. *TNG* was the staple of my childhood. | 20:06 |
| lcuk | thank god you arent a fossil ;) my mum likes to tell me stories from tos | 20:06 |
| mavhc | REwatching voyager? what's wrong with your brain? | 20:07 |
| GAN800 | Frasier and Voyager, that was middle school. | 20:08 |
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| * Jaffa has seen one or two recently; weren't *that* bad first time round, second time a bit meh | 20:08 | |
| GAN800 | mavhc, maybe nastalgia | 20:08 |
| * Jaffa 's been rewatching Frasiers PVRed off C4 in a morning | 20:08 | |
| GAN800 | I like them, though. | 20:08 |
| mavhc | is that nasty things from your childhood? | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | heh | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | Better than the new Enterprise, anyway. | 20:09 |
| mavhc | enterprise only exists to make voyager look like shakespeare in comparison | 20:10 |
| * GAN800 is really not a Star Trek geek. | 20:11 | |
| GAN800 | As you might guess by my nick. ;) | 20:11 |
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| mavhc | we might be able to if we were a *blank* geek | 20:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles . | 20:13 | |
| GAN800 | ^ that guy | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | Last season of Enterprise wasn't too bad. | 20:13 |
| mavhc | compared with good shows, or the previous 3 seasons? | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad the writing was so terrible. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cast wasn't bad | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | effects were pretty and the sets were well made | 20:14 |
| mavhc | had no money left for writers | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But then they had to go and do decontamination room sex scenes with the Vulcan | 20:14 |
| mavhc | I liked it when the changed the theme song, yeah, because that's the main problem with the show | 20:15 |
| mavhc | and the name | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | mavhc: in comparison with the previous 3 seasons | 20:15 |
| mavhc | exactly | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | Joy: my Map app's started segfaulting now I've put the german maps on it | 20:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At start or in use? | 20:17 |
| Jaffa | Startup. Window opens, then closes. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Map database is corrupt | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | Grr | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delete it from mmc2 and redownload | 20:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It has such sadly reproducible bugs that even somebody who hasn't used the damn thing for more than 5 minutes can diagnose them. . . . | 20:21 |
| Jaffa | Amazed that they expect anyone to pay for such a piece of shit. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's fairly impressive. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wonders of contract work, I guess. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just be glad the Euro maps don't total out over 700MB. ;) | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | Eugh, /media/mmc2's gone read only fs. Looks like a brand new corruption | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | FAT needs to die. | 20:24 |
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| Proteous | noooooo | 20:24 |
| Proteous | fat is tasty | 20:24 |
| Proteous | it's geneticly breed into us | 20:25 |
| Proteous | goos energy source | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | Proteous now officially joins lcuk as the new channel fatty. | 20:25 |
| Proteous | er, good | 20:25 |
| lcuk | pardon? | 20:25 |
| Proteous | I said I like eating fat, not that I am fat | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | Ahaha | 20:25 |
| * lcuk is skinny | 20:26 | |
| GAN800 | You don't need to be fat to be a fatty. | 20:26 |
| * lcuk is also stressed | 20:26 | |
| Proteous | heh | 20:26 |
| lcuk | i just found out that images are not being put through the cliprect mangler - so they are escaping their boundaries and drawing all over stuff i need them not to | 20:27 |
| * Proteous reminds lcuk about his deadlines to stress him more | 20:27 | |
| lcuk | oh ive got enough to be comfortable, i just want the next stage in :) | 20:27 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, just remember, if you don't deliver the liqbase goods, we take your bacon. | 20:27 |
| Proteous | noooooo | 20:27 |
| Proteous | so cruel | 20:27 |
| * lcuk has plenty of bacon to give, believe me.. | 20:27 | |
| * lcuk laughs evily | 20:28 | |
| GAN800 | lcuk has all the bacon | 20:28 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:28 |
| lcuk | mk_style.c:87: ERROR : `imgknob' undeclared (first use in this function) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | balls | 20:28 |
| Proteous | all your bacon is belong to lcuk | 20:28 |
| lcuk | there is no way i am searching google for images of knobs | 20:28 |
| lcuk | but i need one! | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | i want a nice shiny png knob | 20:29 |
| Proteous | damn knobgoblers | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: "dial control" turns up some promising ones | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | Also, try sxc.hu and run it through Inkscape's trace bitmap feature | 20:31 |
| lcuk | heh - i just searched GIS and clicked "extra large". (i must have high quality large knobs) my confidence in GIS is so far holding up (barring a ocuple) | 20:31 |
| Proteous | how about "BIG KNOB OF DEATH" | 20:31 |
| lcuk | i wanted it throbbing initially | 20:32 |
| Proteous | ... | 20:32 |
| lcuk | but i couldnt bring myself to code it in | 20:32 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, its not a dial i want, its a knob for a slider - you have to be able to grab it and move it up and down | 20:33 |
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| Proteous | ... | 20:33 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: ah. draw one? | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | ITS NOT MY FAULT THE TERMS HAVE BEEN MISUSED FOR OTHER THINGS! | 20:34 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:35 |
| Proteous | just loaded up reddit.com and the is a big bacon.reddit.com ad on the side | 20:36 |
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| Proteous | now I am hungry Â:/ | 20:37 |
| lcuk | bacon.reddit is the site of perfection. i browse there lots and come away feeling hungry every single time | 20:37 |
| lcuk | its like a drug | 20:37 |
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| lardman | lcuk: enough! | 20:46 |
| lardman | ;) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | sorry, just got roped into carving the pork joint, back later | 20:49 |
| RST38h | umgh | 20:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: BTW, transfer-with-scaling screws up the desktop in window mode | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | gah.. xserver-omap doesn't compile with standard debian packages ¤"¤ | 20:51 |
| RST38h | Don't try: you will have to reboot or ssh from outside to fix it somehow | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | (it tells me after 7 hours of compiling.) | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, for me its fine, i just have to remember to lower the scaled resolution because the factors are a bit off and an 800*480 displayed scaled into a window looks like cack | 20:54 |
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| jott | RST38h: you could switch to another vt. | 21:07 |
| jott | RST38h: just make sure you will return to the x11 vt when exiting (crashing :) | 21:07 |
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| GAN800 | I love the guys on itT to come in to tell everybody what terrible social skills they have when some idiot overreacts to a harmless comment. | 21:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: My guess is you are using a different bit plane (YUV) | 21:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: Try Slashdot then! You will like it much MUCH more =) | 21:10 |
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| GAN800 | I only browse at -1 | 21:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: 'cause it is a different device (fb1 or fb2) | 21:10 |
| GAN800 | It's a whole different world. | 21:10 |
| jott | RST38h: or you could just do a full 1:1 blit on exit .. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: since you talk about xorg and fremantle.. do you happen to know if they released any xorg package for this yet? | 21:10 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, not a clue. | 21:11 |
| RST38h | GAN: Does not matter - their system of values is incompatible with normal humans anyway | 21:11 |
| RST38h | jott: It ismore complicated than that | 21:11 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 21:11 |
| jott | RST38h: how so? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | jott: Looks like the scale factor is some persistent setting. Once you blit with scaling configured, it continues blitting the desktop imagery with the same setting | 21:12 |
| RST38h | GAN: Like somebody said, "Eager but *very* dull" | 21:12 |
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| RST38h | jott: Going from full screen to windowed mode seems to kill that off though | 21:12 |
| jott | RST38h: ugh, yeah that's why i thought about switching vt :) | 21:13 |
| RST38h | jott: Yea, but how the hell do I switch vt on the tablet? =) | 21:13 |
| jott | Stskeeps: have you looked at freedesktop.org gits for omapfb support? | 21:13 |
| jott | RST38h: ioctl | 21:14 |
| RST38h | jott: Oh. | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | jott: hmm, no, but i just found a hint that made me go in that direction | 21:14 |
| * RST38h asked in terms of a key combination :) | 21:14 | |
| jott | Stskeeps: yeah bugtracker :) | 21:14 |
| jott | RST38h: heh.. no you can do it via ioctl. don't know it on top of my head. but should be fairly simple to find out ;) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | jott: I decided to abstain from using this stuff in windowed mode for now | 21:15 |
| jott | RST38h: directfb uses this for example | 21:15 |
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| jott | yeah in windowed mode this does not work out that well : | 21:15 |
| RST38h | jott: looks like more trouble than help... although may want to try 1:1 windowed blitting later tonight | 21:15 |
| jott | Stskeeps: just wondered if they push something upstream.. | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | jott: i decided that after 7 hours in company with xserver-omap compilation, that there has to be a better way :P | 21:17 |
| jott | Stskeeps: heh. you could always use plain fb driver and loose some features :) | 21:17 |
| jott | and update speed :P | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary looks interesting | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | (non-nokia) | 21:19 |
| kulve | it's only stubs still | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | thought that would wake you :P | 21:22 |
| jott | yeah, looks very early in development ;) | 21:23 |
| kulve | "somebody" should copy stuff from Xomap there.. | 21:23 |
| RST38h | xf86 for n8x0? | 21:25 |
| kulve | X.Org | 21:25 |
| jott | xfree86 :) | 21:25 |
| RST38h | they should have dropped 86 long time ago... | 21:26 |
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| jott | and while they are at it drop the x11 architecture? | 21:29 |
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| GAN800 | Damnit, tim wants photo and bio? <_< | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | there goes the reelection? | 21:36 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 21:36 |
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| GAN800 | I've got, maybe, 3 pictures I might find acceptable in general, but none of them for a big projector behind a stage. | 21:37 |
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| jott | GAN800: photoshop/gimp to the rescue? :) | 21:39 |
| mavhc | just steal someone's photo from imdb | 21:39 |
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| GAN800 | Probably not | 21:40 |
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| jott | GAN800: http://lukoagency.free.fr/images/David%20Ankrum/David.jpg ? :P | 21:41 |
| GAN800 | Maybe I should just go with the retarded dialation sun glasses pic and forget it. | 21:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind me why the profile uses "The company that hires you" instead of "Employer" | 22:04 |
| derf | Fives times as many words is five times as good. | 22:06 |
| GAN800 | Clearly | 22:07 |
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| hpg101 | hi all. i need the Perl DBD::SQLite module for my n800 running Diablo. i've found DBI, but not yet the SQLite driver. Any suggestions? | 22:11 |
| MangoFusion | not on cpan? | 22:13 |
| hpg101 | there's a dynamically loaded .so file, so would need a compiler | 22:14 |
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| jrayhawk | Debian will make your life a lot easier. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | until you start writing packages, and then you want to stab yourself with your stylus | 22:16 |
| jrayhawk | Policy saves time in the long run, but yeah, not something to do for fun. | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: i've been using my weekend on converting deblet dpkg-deb --build'd packages into real debian packages.. and converting OSS maemo packages into Debian compatible ones | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm beating my head over how old some of these methods are, compared to new autoconf etc | 22:19 |
| jrayhawk | hee hee | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | i swear, sometimes it does help being a bit autistic when dealing with this stuff :P | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | meh "low priority getting dropbox to work on arm" | 22:22 |
| jrayhawk | Is there a long term-effort towards Debian repository compatibility for maemo? | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i do one for the deblet project where it can't be avoided having to use -some- maemo packages | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | I'm just noticing that there's a huge duplication of packaging effort around here | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | also most maemo ports are hildonizations | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, but things like libraries and such. | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, maybe fremantle helps things | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:24 |
| * Stskeeps decided to stop waiting and develop the debian platform instead | 22:24 | |
| Stskeeps | as there's been leaps of usability the last months | 22:25 |
| jrayhawk | I'm currently debating with whether or not I want to continue the debian-chroot-on-maemo approach or if I should just give up and ditch maemo. It'd save me a lot of time if maemo were planning on just doing the right thing in 6-12 months anyway. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see after summit :P | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | debian on tablets still need some more power saving stuff but atleast we aren't using extreme wifi power anymore | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. and we're able to go into deep sleep | 22:28 |
| RST38h | But do you get wifi in Debian? And does it still run Maemo apps? | 22:29 |
| jrayhawk | I doubt hildon stuff would survive, no. | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we have wifi | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and i'm wondering if chroot maemo is possible ;) | 22:29 |
| jrayhawk | Ha ha ha, I could run all the hildon crap in Xephyr | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | or just on another Xomap display :P | 22:30 |
| RST38h | sts: ! | 22:34 |
| RST38h | hey, don't badmouth hildon! Surprisingly, I think it is better than running desktop stuff on such a small screen | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | i like hildon but i dont like the underlying system | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | and hildon libs could have been done otherwise, making ports easier | 22:35 |
| mavhc | do you really want ports of linux stuff using 93% of your ram though? | 22:36 |
| jrayhawk | I've run Debian on systems with 32 megs. | 22:36 |
| jrayhawk | Trust me when I say that Nokia hardware is perfectly adequate for general purpose usage. | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | mavhc: one of my pet peeves are the stuff in gtkmm for instance. that attributes on widgets are changed from set_some_name(key,value) to set_attribute(key, value) for instance.. that breaks 99% of all apps | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | (not exact method names) | 22:38 |
| jrayhawk | Actually, given that I'd be ditching all of the resident Hildon stuff, I'd actually be saving memory. | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm willing to bet that there's a preprocessor thing to take set_#(value) to set("#", value) | 22:38 |
| * RST38h ran FreeBSD on a system with 8MB RAM. With X11. And compiled stuff there. | 22:39 | |
| RST38h | Does not mean a thing: depends on the applications you are going to run | 22:39 |
| jrayhawk | That's the spirit. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | i miss my 50mhz machine with a yellow heart glued on it a girl gave me :P | 22:40 |
| jrayhawk | Is a 50MHz machine a gesture of love or a gesture of hatred? | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Well, spirit or no spirit, face it: you will not run FireFox on this machine. Or XChat. Or Gnumeric. Or GNOME. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | kernel compiles were a drag | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: Xchat runs.. :P | 22:41 |
| jrayhawk | Gnome is the only thing I'm seeing as having trouble, though even that would still fit. | 22:41 |
| RST38h | and is usable? =) | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | if they'd make h-i-m work in some of their dialog boxes, sure | 22:41 |
| jrayhawk | GNOME *and* Firefox would probably be a swap-thrashing nightmare... | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: gnome was actually astonishingly quick on deblet | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | ofcourse some of the apps associated were not | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | but the ui itself | 22:42 |
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| Stskeeps | it isn't a horridly slow machine we're dealing with :P | 22:43 |
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| jrayhawk | Word. | 22:44 |
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| * Stskeeps plays around with his lxde install | 22:45 | |
| * Jaffa unspods for the second leg of his Euro roadtrip. | 22:45 | |
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| mavhc | just crappy apps written to expect 512MB of ram to be lying around so they don't need to optimise anything don't port well | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | All to entertain the few; the huddled masses; the eager tabletistas | 22:45 |
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| jrayhawk | Are you following Emdebian's attempts to allow for a customization of the base system, or are you making it up as you go? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet , http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | what i'm working on right now | 22:47 |
| jrayhawk | Emdebian is (IIRC) aiming for inclusion in mainline, so it might make your life easier | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's a MMC install, not a flash install | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | but with tablet optimizations | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | people run KDE, GNOME, LXDE, Matchbox.. etc | 22:47 |
| jrayhawk | Not a flash install?! Wuss! | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's angstrom, manona and stuff like that for people who want that | 22:48 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, I guess I have a plan, now, at least. | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | for me, a mmc install is just fine as it is | 22:49 |
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| Proteous | here is a question about morality, should I feel bad about logging into my neighbours unsecured wireless router and changing it's setting so it uses a different frequency range then the one I'm using? | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Proteous: well that you're saying it in a public channel which is logged.. | 22:52 |
| Proteous | hehe | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | and comes up in google quite often :) | 22:52 |
| * Proteous hears sirens outside | 22:52 | |
| * Proteous hears the front door being kicked in | 22:52 | |
| * Proteous hides under the bed | 22:52 | |
| Proteous | I didn't say I did it | 22:52 |
| Proteous | just asked if I should feel bad | 22:53 |
| Proteous | I mean, who would do such a thing anyway | 22:53 |
| Proteous | someone with no morals | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | and why not change your own frequency range? :P | 22:53 |
| Proteous | I tried that, thier router was set to hop to "clean" frequencys and it would always change to whatever I set my router too | 22:54 |
| mavhc | Proteous: what you should do is offer to secure it for them, you'll still know the password, so no other leechers can use it too | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | first you need to put all your neighbours on channel 1 and channel 12 so that you've got the middle free for yourself | 22:54 |
| Proteous | heh | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: but anyway, if you're bored and want to spend time hacking solutions for running debian efficiently & power saving on the tablets, you're more than welcome to help out | 22:55 |
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| mavhc | does 11n do all that stuff automatically, change power, move frequencies? | 22:55 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah, that's looking like the best solution, right now. | 22:55 |
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| konttori | Khertan: I just tested the cairoclock. Works perfectly. Thanks for putting it to extras! | 23:07 |
| konttori | I also promoted it to extras proper. | 23:07 |
| Chani | is there an imap client for the n810 that does threading n'stuff? | 23:07 |
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| Chani | n/m, apparently there are kdepim packages somewhere :) | 23:08 |
| Mek | well, kmail isn't very usable yet :P | 23:09 |
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| Proteous | mavhc, yes | 23:12 |
| Proteous | well, unless you turn that off | 23:12 |
| Proteous | like maybe on your neighbours router... | 23:12 |
| Proteous | if you were a totaly amoral person | 23:13 |
| Proteous | totaly not like anyone here | 23:13 |
| Proteous | no one here would even think of doing anything like that | 23:13 |
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| Chani | Mek: what about mailody? since I wanna use imap... | 23:21 |
| Proteous | I want I want I want, what about other people | 23:21 |
| Proteous | THINK OF THE CHILDREN | 23:21 |
| Chani | hehe | 23:21 |
| Mek | Chani: haven't tried that yet... although I somehow doubt it will work well since it requires akonadi which I think only has a mysql backend for now (at least it would require quite some disk space for all the dependencies :) ) | 23:24 |
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| Chani | oh. | 23:26 |
| Chani | yeah, uhm, I'm gonna be wanting akonadi-using apps on my n810 | 23:26 |
| Chani | pim is pretty much all I use it for, after all | 23:26 |
| Chani | (if you include IM in pim) | 23:26 |
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| Chani | so how can we make that work? :) | 23:27 |
| Mek | I might be completely wrong though. perhaps akonadi works very well... I don't think I have tried any akonadi based apps yet... | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | why on .. earth does a pim storage service only have a mysql backend? | 23:27 |
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| Mek | because apparently both sqlite and mysql/embedded didn't support yet what the akonadi devs need (and why would they write more than 1 backend if it all is still in development) | 23:29 |
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| Mek | hmm... my mysql-server package is not even installable right now, I guess that is why akonadi-console didn't do anything :) | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | Anybody knows how to find absolute coordinates of the hildonwindow client area??? | 23:48 |
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| Alystair | Odd development question, could I make the 770 browser work over bluetooth instead of wifi? | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | PAN or DUN? | 23:59 |
| Alystair | eg. pair it up with a computer which is running apache | 23:59 |
| Alystair | not for external internet | 23:59 |
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