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| GeneralAntilles | I think people continue to completely miss the point that it's a _maemo.org_ Community Council. . . . | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | no, hes trolling the dev- channel | 00:02 |
| lcuk | thats what ppl are moaning about | 00:02 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt care if it was all in community | 00:02 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: i thought it would be the "Nokia Council"?! :P | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | or "itT Community Council" | 00:11 |
| jott | "iTTT" the internet tablet talk tribunal :) | 00:13 |
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| eichi | hello, im using the miro player some times so look some podcast, is there a way to use the maemo IT as a remote control? | 00:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that's bad. . . . http://maemo.org/vote/ | 00:42 |
| derf | Why is that bad? | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo Community council" | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's "maemo.org Community Council" | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad because it implies a lot of things that simply aren't true. | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and incorrectly uses a Nokia trademark | 00:43 |
| lbt | OH MY GOD! | 00:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reggie messed it up on the news article, too. . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220949#post220949 | 00:50 |
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| guenther | Oh, man. Now that I've had a quick look at scummVM, I need to find my old "The Curse of Monkey Island" box again. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plays really well on the tablets. | 00:56 |
| guenther | Right, make me want it right now even more. ;) | 00:57 |
| * guenther saw the screenshots | 00:57 | |
| guenther | Anyway, this is something I kind of always wondered: | 00:58 |
| guenther | Is there any "this is where the device beleves I am touching" app? | 00:58 |
| guenther | Like a tool in the old Palm days... | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sketch | 00:58 |
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| guenther | Basically, a blank screen. Full-screen. That merely shows a cross-hair cursor wherever I touch. | 00:59 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Scetch falls short on two constraints: | 00:59 |
| guenther | Not full screen. | 00:59 |
| guenther | Doesn't easily show repeating tap / move over the same point. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, MyPaint? | 01:00 |
| guenther | The first being the most important. | 01:00 |
| guenther | To check the edges, which tend to be off the most, if at all. | 01:00 |
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| lbt | guenther: yes : deblet :) | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemopadplus | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/emo.png | 01:02 |
| guenther | Hmm, mypaint looks cool. Need maemo screenshots, though. ;) | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has pressure data, too. | 01:02 |
| guenther | lbt: What's deblet? | 01:02 |
| lbt | hmm | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, Debian+tablet | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 01:03 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 01:03 |
| lbt | someone was asking for a mouseover mode | 01:03 |
| lbt | I wondere whether it makes sense to use pressure | 01:03 |
| lbt | kinda obvious but... | 01:03 |
| guenther | heh, a "distro"... | 01:04 |
| lbt | it runs normal X | 01:04 |
| lbt | so as I move my stylus around, the cursor follows it :) | 01:05 |
| guenther | understand :) | 01:05 |
| lbt | but actually | 01:05 |
| lbt | it would be an idea for a simple app | 01:05 |
| lbt | 'touchscreentest' | 01:06 |
| guenther | exactly | 01:06 |
| lbt | hmm, I need a Qt4 project... | 01:06 |
| guenther | Well, you can enhance it, make it optionally report all crazy data, moving out of the test-area where the stylus is heading to... ;) | 01:06 |
| * sp3000 <3 emo.png | 01:18 | |
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| lpotter | lbt: checkout http://qt-apps.org/ | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know how i get a list of fonts which includes the filename associated? im looking at the fc-list command and want to know which are from ttf files | 02:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk, but I've got a question for you. :P | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got any recommendations if I want to build a wood case for the Beagle? | 02:53 |
| lcuk | im close anyway, i think i know how to do it now :) | 02:53 |
| lcuk | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDEPrint/Fonts/Checking-your-font-configuration#List_all_fonts_on_your_system | 02:53 |
| lcuk | it depends what you want to do with it really | 02:53 |
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| lcuk | has it got a screen or are you considering getting it one | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, no screen | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just need the HDMI port. | 02:54 |
| lcuk | and power | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, little 4" x 4" x 1" box | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2x 3.5mm, HDMI, SD, USB, serial and JTAG | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus 5v power | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | if i ever came to needing one of those i would initially look for a prebuilt hobby box | 02:56 |
| lcuk | have you checked out the hobby market around the #beagle camp? | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's one lucite kit | 02:56 |
| lcuk | the case for my 810 started out life as a folding chess board. i originally wanted to keep it closable but cut out both halves like a fake book | 02:58 |
| lcuk | its the simplest way to create an area without having knowledge of woodworking and full joinery | 02:58 |
| lcuk | you could try similar for your beagle, its easier using a router to cut into a preexisting block than knowing how to build a frame | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want to leave the thing plugged in and turned on | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | but can't really do that if it's just sitting out | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | especially with the cat around. | 03:00 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, how's your beagle doing? | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneneralantilles/tags/beagleboard | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | better | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Booting now with workable USB | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I've got to figure how to get either the Bluetooth or Wifi adopters working | 03:06 |
| jott | the geneneneneneral! :) | 03:06 |
| crashanddie | lol at genene | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:06 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: why not get a simple aluminium case or something? | 03:07 |
| jott | should be available for a few bucks. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any recommended sources? | 03:07 |
| jott | just drill some holes in it :) | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I love your desktop setup | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's entirely obscene. | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | well, the 3 flat screen + the IBM M keyboard = awesomeness | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/setupfeb08.jpg | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's two more. . . . <_< | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | deblet worked out of the box? | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | That's pretty awesome | 03:09 |
| * crashanddie drools at the speakers | 03:09 | |
| lcuk | thats wicked | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nice pussy | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love teh Axioms | 03:10 |
| lcuk | i just had a thought - you know this guy thats talking about the extension bettery thing for memory sticks | 03:10 |
| jott | hehe the table seems a bit out of style for the setup :) | 03:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im thinking this based on yours | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I need more table. | 03:11 |
| lcuk | would it be good to have a proper power dock on the bottom of the device | 03:11 |
| lcuk | rather than clunky one we have currently | 03:11 |
| lcuk | gen wtf is this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2798380464/sizes/l/in/photostream/ | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should probably tag it. | 03:16 |
| lcuk | you need to kill it | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's dead | 03:16 |
| lcuk | thats for the best | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just a baby one. | 03:16 |
| jott | i would just bring a xkcd reference .. http://xkcd.com/331/ | 03:16 |
| lcuk | for context, how large was that - in nokia internet tablet units please | 03:16 |
| jott | :) | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little less than 1 tablet | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's seagrass around it. | 03:17 |
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| lcuk | do those demons of the night visit often? | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes | 03:18 |
| * lcuk shudders | 03:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | They come and go every couple years. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're really not particularly exciting | 03:19 |
| lcuk | do flamethrowers work? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't hurt you. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Full grown: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shane613/2725872879/ | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/alwright1/2754842965/ "hai lcuk" | 03:20 |
| lcuk | my missus is afraid of the common little house spider, i am fine with small scale, however an irrational fear of evil things with more legs than me is overpowering | 03:20 |
| jott | http://ahscares.org/images/HP-horseshoeCrabInside.jpg hm :) | 03:20 |
| lcuk | side on it looks cute | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, that's unusually large | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably about 2x the size of the ones you see around here. | 03:20 |
| lcuk | or he is a midget | 03:20 |
| jaska | cute | 03:20 |
| lcuk | i couldnt kill the side on one immediately, but if i saw it from above i would think it was an alien | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | \@/ Horseshoe crabs possess the rare ability to regrow lost limbs, | 03:23 |
| lcuk | f***ers won't die | 03:23 |
| jott | they are known to eat souls. | 03:23 |
| lcuk | its like spiders in tanks - GeneralAntilles how fast do they run? | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Slow | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very slow | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not like a blue crab'll dart at you. ;) | 03:25 |
| doc|home | fuckers won't die, ugly as sin, eat souls, sounds like cheney, has someone put a mask on one and made it vp? | 03:26 |
| jott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrrYtOc6Y0c and they are heavily into group sex :p | 03:29 |
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| mzechner | greetings | 03:30 |
| jott | hello. | 03:31 |
| Mikho | hard horseshoe crab action! | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder about you sometimes, jott. . . . :P | 03:31 |
| jott | it's not my fault it comes as second result on youtube :p | 03:32 |
| mzechner | i got a small question on the powervr chip. i did some research and found this https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification on the wiki. is anyone aware of any news on that topic? the last modification dates back to july as far as i can see | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mzechner, everything relevant is on that page and its associated talk page. | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | There will likely be more news after the Maemo Summit on the 19th. | 03:36 |
| mzechner | great, i'd really appreciate powervr drivers with opengl es bindings :) | 03:37 |
| mzechner | lets hope for the best | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really hate that the bugzilla quicksearch only searches open bugs. | 03:38 |
| jott | indeed. | 03:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It might make sense for a bugzilla with 5 or 6 figures | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not ours. | 03:39 |
| jott | i think it almost always makes sense when they are clearly marked closed (like light gray text or striked) | 03:40 |
| jott | and put at the end of the list | 03:41 |
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| crashanddie | btw guys | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | may I just take a moment | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every moment is precious. | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | to point how hard Darius makes me laugh | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | point out** | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | He was funnier earlier in the year. | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now he's just irritating. | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | yeah well I just noticed there was -developer | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | :-° | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, if you want more laughs, search for some of his earlier stuff on itT. | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I have, don't worry | 03:42 |
| mdg | Hello! I have a Nokia 770 and I was wondering what OS I can update to? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any, actually. | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | mdg, hi, welcome | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 03:42 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:42 |
| mdg | will my 770 then be able to play flash videos? | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need to install mplayer | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | mdg, performance won't be good | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | not in the browser, anyway. | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's greasemonkey for microb, right? | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's slow | 03:44 |
| mdg | so I would need to download the file and then play it in mplayer for best performance? | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, do you know if it's possible to have an mplayer plugin for microb? | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there is one. | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, yes. | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or there are some applications that'll handle it | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, cuz I have this greasemonkey script that loads up mplayer to play the video rather than flash | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | UKTube | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | MyTube | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, might be worth it to try it out... | 03:45 |
| mdg | I have another question about accessing clear channel streaming radio station content - is that possible now? | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | clear channel? | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno, what does clear channel stream in? | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably something shitty and Windows-only know Clear Channel. | 03:46 |
| mdg | yes, shifty! | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/know/knowing/ | 03:47 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Probably something shitty and Windows-only knowing Clear Channel. | 03:47 |
| mdg | the link is buried a couple layers deep and its picky about launching its player in a window | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | This one's a classic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11800 | 03:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but not only are his stories to die for, his writing abilities are just classic | 03:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't decide if he wants to make peach cobbler or just eat the peaches straight. | 03:49 | |
| mdg | Do many people still use 770s? | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | they're still around | 03:52 |
| mdg | people have much luck with things like skype and googletalk? | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | I only own the n810, so I couldn't say, really | 03:53 |
| mzechner | btw, is there any cheap way to replace a 770's display? i got my old one laying around and it's suffered a 'bit' | 03:54 |
| mdg | I was trying to decide what kind of headset I would need if I were trying googletalk | 03:54 |
| mzechner | would be a shame to let it die | 03:55 |
| mdg | anyone every hacked one to use as a virtual chumbie or whatever it was called? | 03:56 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, this is the best ever | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141027#post141027 | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | mzechner, no, not really. | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You could buy a parts 770 off eBay, I suppose | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somewhat delicate replacement procedure, though. | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | not really | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, Skype is mostly a non-starter on the 770. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | GTalk is a little better. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, small parts, fragile connectors. | 04:01 |
| mzechner | nah, i guess it will serve as a server then | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | bleh, you obviously never had to play around with a broken laptop :P | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdg, my personal recommendation is to find yourself a used N800 and upgrade ASAP. ;) | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I've played with several. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Replaced the LCD on an old iBook | 04:02 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, best hack up till now, transfer a laptop into a HD projector | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a backlight capacitor on an old PowerBook. | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | s/transfer/transform/ | 04:02 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: GeneralAntilles, best hack up till now, transform a laptop into a HD projector | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Pleas stop. :P | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | :'( | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | but i luvz uuuu | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Darius is such a nutter | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish those Polish rants fanoush found had been translated. | 04:04 |
| crashanddie | "What you call blogs is information noise generated by private persons. Blogs are ok" | 04:04 |
| crashanddie | anti-these much? | 04:05 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yeah I found some of them, one of my roomies is polish, I can give her a fag and tell her to do it | 04:05 |
| mdg | there seems to be a problem with the page about updating firmware - I'm getting nothing | 04:06 |
| crashanddie | she's usually paid half a buck an hour anyway, so it's a win-win situation anyway | 04:06 |
| crashanddie | mdg, refresh it | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mdg, there are some apache issues with the wiki | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | waiting on server upgrades that are coming in the next few weeks for a real fix | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | just refresh if you get blank pages or error pages. | 04:07 |
| mdg | still nothing after refreshing | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cache, probably. | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | shift-refresh | 04:09 |
| crashanddie | or ctrl-refresh | 04:09 |
| mdg | okay, I'll try shift refresh | 04:09 |
| mdg | that worked! Thanks!!! | 04:10 |
| crashanddie | mdg, the server is a bit sick. They're trying to feed the hamster, but it won't eat. We're working on it. | 04:12 |
| mdg | LOL Poor litttle guy! | 04:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We're lucky 770s are so low power, else the server wouldn't be up at all. ;) | 04:13 |
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| mdg | LOL | 04:15 |
| mdg | anybody found a really good keyboard hack for the 770? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | To attach a keyboard? | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not really. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Logitech has that little Bluetooth one for $150 | 04:18 |
| mdg | oh. Okay | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you can grab an iGo stowaway or the Apple BT keyboard. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stowaway for compact, foldable | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple for laptop-size | 04:22 |
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| mdg | Apple BT? | 04:25 |
| mdg | I'll have to google that | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | I have the Apple BT one for the PS3 | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | very comfortable, easy to sit on your lap | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ | 04:26 |
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| mdg | I think I'll go with the apple - it can also be a backup for my old, old iMac | 04:29 |
| mdg | Thanks for all the great help! I'm sure I'll be back after I get my 770 flashed. Y'all have a great evening! | 04:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love cheeseburgers | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | too bad they make such a mess. | 04:34 |
| timsamoff | Arg. Having mmc1 read-only issues again. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. | 04:36 |
| timsamoff | Stick in hand. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You check the fs? | 04:37 |
| timsamoff | Not yet. I'm lounging... But can't read any emails in Claws. Annoying! | 04:37 |
| timsamoff | Er, checking now. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | umount /media/mmc1 | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | fsck /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 04:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As root, of course. | 04:38 |
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| brontide | Hey, anyone else have mytube here? | 04:57 |
| Proteous | I have yourtube | 05:01 |
| Proteous | yourmom gave it to me | 05:01 |
| Proteous | ... | 05:01 |
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| acydlord | lol, i just had to check to see which channel i was in | 05:11 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:14 |
| * Proteous keeps it real | 05:14 | |
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| brontide | I fixed it... a simple fix makes mytube download high-quality vids | 05:21 |
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| crashanddie | http://gizmodo.com/5046358/52+inch-sharp-aquos-hdtv-for-3845 | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | BuyBuybUYBUYbuy | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | :D | 05:56 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I was thinking | 05:56 |
| crashanddie | do you think we'll ever get to a point, we're just going to get a chip to connect to the TV/screen, and play our game, instead of a console with the game you swap? | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | I mean, we've all seen what the OMAP3 is capable of handling | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | *ordered* | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see what happens. | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can always cancel if they change the price. | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | well | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | it just jumped from 18k to 600 most buyed item | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | I think they'll be running out of stock soon :D | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guaranteed wont ship at the price | 06:00 |
| crashanddie | sure | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | But who knows. | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There've been similar fuckups in the past that've ben honored. | 06:00 |
| crashanddie | well, people completed the whole process | 06:00 |
| crashanddie | they paid for it and everything | 06:00 |
| crashanddie | so won't they be obliged to honour it? | 06:01 |
| crashanddie | there must be some lawsuit you guys will be able to file :P | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall what the agreement says. | 06:01 |
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| crashanddie | If they start shipping them | 06:01 |
| crashanddie | I think we might as well mail all the paperwork for bankruptcy to the owner | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:02 |
| darkblue_B | hello - if I want to run a python process for a long time, I would use screen from the root terminal perhaps ?? I dont see screen installed on my N800.. whats the best way to get it? thx | 06:02 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, I doubt US law is as generous as UK law | 06:03 |
| LinuxCode | in the US you can term and conditions your way out of everything Im sure | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't even have a place to put something that big. | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode, who are you and how the hell do you know I'm in the UK? :P | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm sure you'll find a way | 06:04 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, Im your father....DR Evil | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont fit in the home theater center at my parent's house, either. | 06:04 |
| darkblue_B | your signin on msg shows your IP number often.. | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and well, $2k bonus is never a bad thing, even if you sell it for $1k | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sell it for a Mac Pro | 06:05 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, right, like he bothered to check the logs for a time my mask didn't pop in before I joined the channel, trace the IP to get my location, just to know how to phrase his thought | 06:05 |
| crashanddie | That makes sense | 06:05 |
| LinuxCode | Im in your head | 06:06 |
| darkblue_B | screen anyone? | 06:06 |
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| LinuxCode | reading your brainwaves | 06:06 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 06:06 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, having a python process will probably drain your battery in a couple of hours | 06:06 |
| darkblue_B | hmm.. its ok.. | 06:07 |
| darkblue_B | I can manage t | 06:07 |
| darkblue_B | its for a demo | 06:07 |
| AStorm | uhm... why would it drain battery? | 06:07 |
| AStorm | it depends if it's actually consuming CPU time | 06:07 |
| AStorm | just having it in the background won't hurt | 06:07 |
| darkblue_B | I'm not that good with the repo system here.. so I am asking about where to find screen.. | 06:07 |
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| darkblue_B | .. I notice its in the maemo.org/development/doc/man-pages | 06:08 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, I don't have it in my repos, sorry, can't help | 06:08 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, well, most python applets drain my battery quite heavily | 06:09 |
| darkblue_B | this is a light weight web server.. it may well be still when not used | 06:09 |
| darkblue_B | so .. I have to build screen? that doesnt seem right | 06:10 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, why do you need to screen it in the first place? | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be in the tools repo | 06:11 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: that's because they're using cairo? | 06:11 |
| AStorm | still, which python applets? | 06:11 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, HomeIP and HomeWE | 06:11 |
| darkblue_B | crashanddie: hmm, safer than the & backgrounder in the root shell | 06:11 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: they such due to other reasons | 06:12 |
| AStorm | *suck | 06:12 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, just make a proper daemon out of it (dunno if that's possible with python, guess so), and correct logging abilities | 06:12 |
| AStorm | it is possible | 06:12 |
| AStorm | with sys.fork I think | 06:12 |
| AStorm | there is syslog module too | 06:12 |
| darkblue_B | pointers welcome | 06:13 |
| darkblue_B | working source example more welcome! | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, I know the easy way to go would be to screen it, but having a screen running is no more secure than having a desynched shell | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/278731/ | 06:14 |
| crashanddie | darkblue_B, http://docs.python.org/lib/module-syslog.html | 06:14 |
| darkblue_B | looking.. btw- no screen in the tools repo that I see | 06:14 |
| darkblue_B | yow.. 'simple' eh? | 06:16 |
| * crashanddie is awkwardly helpful tonight | 06:17 | |
| brontide | if it's a demo then just use a terminal session from a laptop or desktop | 06:18 |
| darkblue_B | well, the show goes like this.. I have the light weight server running on the N800.. there is a cusomt RESTful DB server on top of sqlite3 | 06:19 |
| darkblue_B | then I use my laptop and run the two web page clients | 06:19 |
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| _Tom | is there an IRC client for my n810? | 06:20 |
| darkblue_B | so I really dont use the terminal on the N800 at all , once its running | 06:20 |
| brontide | Why not use a terminal on the laptop and ssh to the n800 | 06:20 |
| darkblue_B | sqlite3 is built into recent python | 06:20 |
| darkblue_B | brontide: if I start the thing tonight.. I dont think I wl lhave to change anything for Monday | 06:21 |
| darkblue_B | I think it will run quietly | 06:21 |
| brontide | simple is use Xterminal on the n800 or use a ssh connection from a laptop | 06:21 |
| brontide | or properly daemonize the app | 06:22 |
| darkblue_B | ?? | 06:22 |
| darkblue_B | I am n on ssh now on the N800 from a laptop | 06:22 |
| darkblue_B | why connect later? I dont follow | 06:23 |
| darkblue_B | I just want to start it and leave it | 06:23 |
| brontide | Then use Xterminal and minimize the window... no need for screen | 06:23 |
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| darkblue_B | brontide: I dont see xterminal.. where do I get that? | 06:26 |
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| brontide | utilities... it's installed by default | 06:26 |
| brontide | scroll down | 06:27 |
| darkblue_B | nope | 06:27 |
| darkblue_B | not finding it ??? | 06:27 |
| brontide | You do have os2008? | 06:28 |
| darkblue_B | yes, I believe I do.. how can I check? | 06:28 |
| brontide | then when you open your application menu on the left, select utilities, and then scroll down to the bottom on the right | 06:29 |
| darkblue_B | uuhhh | 06:30 |
| darkblue_B | you mean the terminal on the N800 | 06:30 |
| darkblue_B | not a remote xterminal | 06:30 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 06:30 |
| brontide | Yes, it's called Xterminal | 06:30 |
| brontide | sorry for the disconnect | 06:30 |
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| darkblue_B | ok, well working on the setup | 06:35 |
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| _Tom | um... does someone know if there is a IRC client available for the n810? | 06:44 |
| GAN800 | ~xchat | 06:44 |
| infobot | somebody said xchat was an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ | 06:44 |
| GAN800 | it's in Extras-devel | 06:45 |
| AStorm | ;) | 06:45 |
| GAN800 | ~extras | 06:45 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 06:45 |
| AStorm | works quite good | 06:45 |
| crashanddie | that should be promoted though | 06:45 |
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| _Tom | Thanks, thats wha I've been missing lately | 06:45 |
| GAN800 | Waiting on some packaging fixes | 06:45 |
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| GAN800 | Talk to mgedmin if you want to help. | 06:46 |
| _Tom | I use xchat, it works well | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | <-- still waiting for X-Fade to return | 06:46 |
| GAN800 | He should be back today | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | and I'll be able to push some packages :) | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | today? | 06:46 |
| GAN800 | Which probably translates to Momday. | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | Momday? | 06:46 |
| GAN800 | s/Mom/Mon/ | 06:46 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Which probably translates to Monday. | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | I thought that was around may | 06:46 |
| brontide | your Freudian slip is showing | 06:47 |
| AStorm | shoving you around | 06:47 |
| darkblue_B | brontide: bingo.. the server is running :-) | 06:49 |
| brontide | congrats, good luck on your demo | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010Z28XG/ref=s9sdps_c4_23_at2-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=1AR8VCNHZSTBFQ7V896H&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=425580501&pf_rd_i=507846 | 06:49 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I know where Darius Jack lives | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should go have tea with him. | 06:50 |
| _Tom | 16gb hdsc... sick$42 | 06:51 |
| crashanddie | _Tom, SD or microSD? | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | SD | 06:51 |
| _Tom | oh... :( | 06:51 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, duntyawannano howadidit? | 06:53 |
| darkblue_B | process looks perfectly quiet to me | 06:53 |
| darkblue_B | top -b | grep ### | 06:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, Mr. PI. :P | 06:53 |
| crashanddie | hehe :P | 06:54 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 06:54 |
| crashanddie | trying a few things, if I'm (really) lucky, I should be able to pull out his real name/home address | 06:54 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, you remember that place you sent me a link to for the OTG usb adapters? | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:00 |
| moontiger | heh well after 3 weeks of waiting they sent the wrong ones | 07:00 |
| moontiger | *sigh* | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 | 07:00 |
| moontiger | yah they sent for the n800 but i wanted for the n810 | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | That looks better, though. | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, uh, they sent the right one. | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't one for the N810 yet. | 07:00 |
| moontiger | yah ... i sent them back :| | 07:01 |
| crashanddie | Darius Jack: 88.220.124.198. IE 7. Windows XP. | 07:01 |
| moontiger | how come there isnt one for n810 yet?? | 07:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, you actually ORDERED the wrong one, they didn't SEND the wrong one. :P | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jolouis is working on it. | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nobody that makes a MicroUSB adaptor of that type | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's having them custom built | 07:01 |
| moontiger | well i THOUGHT it was for the n810 and i SWEAR i read it that way on the page | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could probably pm or email him for details. | 07:02 |
| moontiger | i have a keyboard i want to use but it has a regular usb plug on it | 07:02 |
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| moontiger | do you know how i can get in touch with him? | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder what all the people thinking they want a Pandora think they're gonna get. | 07:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They do realize it just ships with a emulator loader, right? | 07:03 |
| bef0rd | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2004 | 07:03 |
| _Tom | pandora? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Krakow, crashanddie? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.openpandora.org/ | 07:04 |
| _Tom | looks cool | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks huge in that mockup at the top. | 07:05 |
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| _Tom | linux? | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nope, actually, he's in the south of the country, near the Slovakian border | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Tom, sort of. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Tom, it can run Linux | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't ship with anything | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you'll have to put something like Debian on it. | 07:06 |
| _Tom | no wimax :( | 07:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No comment. | 07:07 |
| moontiger | bef0rd, yes thanks i saw that but i really dont want to have a frankenstein cable for my keyboard | 07:07 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, does the keyboard have {}[] keys and a tab? | 07:09 |
| bef0rd | moontiger, heh | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I don't know. | 07:10 |
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| moontiger | i would still love to meet the sicko who decided not to have those keys on the n810 keyboard | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, obviously, Nokia's cellphone designers. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you know of any cellphones with them? ;) | 07:11 |
| * moontiger sighs | 07:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid, maybe, but it does make sense. | 07:11 |
| * moontiger goes to look for bluetooth keyboards .... again | 07:11 | |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, well, Krakow was close enough I guess, but from what I can gather he lives under the juris-dick-tion of Bielsko-Biala | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, go visit him. | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's a long way from London :P | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, especially for a troll | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's nothing. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Europe is small. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to talk long ways, talk about flying coast to coast in the US. :P | 07:12 |
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| crashanddie | 1,016 mi – about 16 hours 17 mins | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drive time? | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awfully slow airplane. | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | yup | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a perfect weekend trip. :P | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | I'm not taking travelling sarcasm from someone who won't even come to the Maemo Summit just because he wants to stay in his room | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, now. :P | 07:16 |
| darkblue_B | hmm sqlite3 appears to be running, too | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's 22 hours, anyway. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | So your logic doesn't follow. | 07:16 |
| darkblue_B | "here's a chinook compile of sqlite3"... zip file | 07:17 |
| darkblue_B | how did they do that? | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | remarks: trouble: abuse,bug reports and spam notification: - mailto:abuse@exatel.pl | 07:17 |
| darkblue_B | it requires the pc dev environment? | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 07:19 |
| crashanddie | 5:20AM | 07:19 |
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| crashanddie | My work is done | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go forth and sleep! | 07:20 |
| crashanddie | did you get my PM? | 07:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's the johnx | 07:21 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, does the apple bluetooth keyboard work with the n810? | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:27 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, yes | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a standard HID device | 07:27 |
| moontiger | do i have to re-compile the kernel or sacrifice my cat to get it working? | 07:28 |
| moontiger | can i remap the keys so i get a proper backspace key? | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a standard HID device | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | xmodmap can do whatever you need. | 07:29 |
| moontiger | is anybody using one with the n810? | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots of people | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk is one. | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you mean by "proper" backspace, anyway? | 07:30 |
| moontiger | they only have the "delete on the spot" type of delete key | 07:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The delete key above the backslash key is just a regular backspace key. | 07:31 |
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| * moontiger goes to look | 07:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore whatever it's labeled as | 07:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apple just uses different terminology. | 07:31 |
| moontiger | ok so that does backspace ... can i remap something to do delete then? | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, you can remap whatever you want with xmodmap. | 07:33 |
| moontiger | even those weird keys along the top row? | 07:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, the function keys? :\ | 07:33 |
| moontiger | the thing top right next to f12 | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should show as F13 | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | fn-backspace will probably get you forward delete. | 07:34 |
| moontiger | awesome ... so its a good choice you would say? | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's an excellent keyboard. | 07:34 |
| moontiger | ok schweet ... i'll get one ... thnx :) | 07:34 |
| moontiger | oh and they arent too big no? | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's laptop sized. | 07:35 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 07:35 |
| moontiger | thank you for the info :) | 07:35 |
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| bef0rd | http://beford.org/stuff/n810.svg :P | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm, purty. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think you could do a simplified one that'd work at ~40px? | 08:37 |
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| Mikho | does anybody know if esbox supports eclipse 3.4? | 08:39 |
| Mikho | I'd like to set the DISPLAY variable, but unfortunately the environment preferences window is bugged and shows nothing | 08:40 |
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| bef0rd | let me give it a try | 08:47 |
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| Mikho | all right, looks like esbox does not support eclipse 3.4, and it doesn't even recognize the lack of support | 08:59 |
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| moontiger | Mikho, what u using eclipse for? | 09:18 |
| Mikho | software development | 09:19 |
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| moontiger | Mikho, what language? | 09:36 |
| Mikho | C++ | 09:38 |
| moontiger | and you like eclipse? | 09:39 |
| moontiger | have you tried the new sbox2 environment and anjuta? | 09:41 |
| Mikho | well, eclipse is good, but sloooooow | 09:44 |
| Mikho | i tried anjuta, i think, but there was something in it I didn't like | 09:45 |
| moontiger | there is a really nice plug-in for C with maemo cross compiling ... its fast and personally i love it | 09:46 |
| moontiger | the plug-in cross-compiles and makes a .deb package all in one | 09:47 |
| bef0rd | GeneralAntilles, http://beford.org/stuff/n810-2.svg ? | 09:47 |
| moontiger | bef0rd, wow thats really nice :) | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not bad, I'd consider blanking the screen and maybe just outlining the keyboard. | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should consider making a set that people can use, though. :D | 09:48 |
| moontiger | yah thats nice :) | 09:48 |
| Jaffa | Shiny | 09:52 |
| bef0rd | moontiger, thanks heh | 09:53 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 11:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan1, what's with the -developers mail? | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | I think it was to do with "Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... !" and Dave Neary sending an email... | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | Which was a shame because I quite liked Khertan's email | 11:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, everybody needs to grow up. | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | Darius's shit talking is an incentive to get pissed off though. | 11:34 |
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| aquatix | good morning all | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | ~seen solmumaha | 11:38 |
| infobot | solmumaha <n=solmis@BSN-95-241-94.static.dsl.siol.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 5m 55s ago, saying: 'using usbcontrol?'. | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | hey aquatix | 11:39 |
| aquatix | 'sup? | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | nm :) | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know a quick and dirty way to recalculate the Installed-Size section in a deb's control file? | 11:40 |
| aspect | ar x foo.deb data.tar.gz ; mkdir tmp ; tar -C tmp -xzf data.tar.gz ; du -sb tmp ; rm -rf rmp data.tar.gz | 11:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks aspect :) | 11:44 |
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| mavhc | my diablo n810 is continuously rebooting, is there anything I can do except reflash? haven't done a backup in a while, stupid me | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | If you have bootmenu, you can chroot into it over usbnet and send the deb packages for klogd & sysklogd and install them and at least find out why it is rebooting | 11:50 |
| mavhc | I don't, but I might by next time, thanks | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | enabling the rd mode flag no-lifeguard-reset may help as well | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | it may allow your tablet to boot and you may be able to get ssh by wifi (if you have it installed). I messed up the x-server on my tablet, but it booted enough to let me ssh in. | 11:52 |
| mavhc | I did a shutdown -r 0, it rebooted, got to the desktop, rebooted again and got less and less into the boot sequence until I pulled the battery, weird | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | yawn | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | mornin' | 11:54 |
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| qwerty12 | btw, I managed to get an successful install of gnome by disabling the watchdogs and using the original kernel. I set it up to the way I like it (including making gksu let me use matchbox keyboard etc) and I install nit-env-lxde. I love it until the panel messes up :P. I'll delete the config files for the panel and reboot >.< | 11:57 |
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| StsN800 | .. decided to give in and install xchat since gprs and ssh into irssi is way too laggy | 11:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles killed Deblet when it died during a chroot session. | 12:00 | |
| qwerty12 | xchat ftw | 12:00 |
| StsN800 | gksu would work with hildon input method too? | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: Btw, someone says that the hildon libraries are in debian repos already, or smthing like that | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: gksu unless with a little tweaking doesn't work with any input method :P | 12:01 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, yeah but is i-m-f there? | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | In the end, I took the lazy way out and set NOPASSWD in my sudoers and made gksu listen to that | 12:01 |
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| StsN800 | i couldn't find it | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: No idea, but having the hildon libraries will save a lot of time | 12:01 |
| StsN800 | true | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | I need to get nm-applet started and I can start working when I ssh into it | 12:01 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, died on maemo chroot or? | 12:02 |
| StsN800 | with qole etc scripts? | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was debootstrapping an install for the Beagle | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | chrooted in after it was done to build and install drivers for a USB wifi adaptor | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | wifi connection died | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | xfce4 toolbar went away | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | tapped the battery out | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | it wont boot | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | probably has something to do with symlinking prco | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/prco/proc/ | 12:03 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: probably has something to do with symlinking proc | 12:03 |
| furnsie | a few weeks ago I tried to install scratchbox on my ubuntu box, I dont know what problem I had, but I know there was something wrong. I'm looking at it again now - trying to work out whats wrong with it.. and when I run 'scratchbox' it says 'ERROR: You dont; have a Scratchbox user account!'. How can I fix that? | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now how can I mount ext3 in Maemo to fix it. . . . http://slexy.org/view/s20KnyW7Pg | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | insmod mbcache and jbd first. | 12:04 |
| StsN800 | xfce toolbar is normal to disappear if its nit-env-stskeeps:P | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | aaah, had mbcache | 12:04 |
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| * qwerty12 uses modprobe thanks to jott so all I do is modprobe ext3 and it's done | 12:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, how do you get it back? | 12:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles is such a Mactard | 12:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, still doesn't want to mount. | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, right or stylus hol | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love how verbose mount is. . . . | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | paste the last few messages for dmesg | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | d ondesktop brings up menu | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: install mount.full from extras or the dev repo somewhere, it's much better | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | but nit-env-stskeeps is bound to be ditched for lxde soon | 12:06 |
| furnsie | how can I uninstall scratchbox? | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, no wonder | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | fsck is going to town on it | 12:07 |
| StsN800 | ext2 or ext3? | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ext3 | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | This SD card is probably failing | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm getting tons of fs issues. . . . | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, you still offer a tarball install? | 12:09 |
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| StsN800 | i do a fsck -y on boot in deblet before console appears. thats prolly why it doesn't look like it boots | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: Any idea why network manager disconnects my connection when I ssh into it? | 12:10 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, no, due to potential legal issues | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn | 12:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to have to run through the installer again. . . . | 12:10 | |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, i plan to support debootstrapping from a .tar.gz though | 12:11 |
| StsN800 | but apt packages are more difficult | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man this is all such a pain in the ass. | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just want either A. Working goddamn Bluetooth networking, B. Working goddamn USB wifi drivers, or C. Working goddamn USBNet | 12:11 |
| StsN800 | hehe. at least it isn't the f | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently I'm not allowed to have any of the above . . . . | 12:12 |
| trenka | zap: I'll ask Ed to answer you, since I'm not polite enough | 12:12 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, on beagle? | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I may just have to man up and try booting this thing on the Ubuntu LiveCD I've got again. | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle would be really awesome if I could get networking going. . . . | 12:14 |
| zap | trenka: ? | 12:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles briefly contemplates USBNet from the Wii. | 12:14 | |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, wasn't there a usb otg problem on beagle boards? | 12:15 |
| StsN800 | or am i mistaken | 12:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's a silicon issue with the USB host port. | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they've omitted it. | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But OTG works fine | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was just having trouble with the kernel that ships with the Ångstrom demo | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Downgraded to the the reference/testing kernel and it works fine now. | 12:16 |
| trenka | zap: it's better for me to keep silent for the moment since I'm a bit angre | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | and you were trying g_ether with deblet or something? | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried USBNet with the Ångstrom demo image | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle was more than willing to network | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I haven't managed to beat my computer into the same. | 12:17 |
| zap | trenka: I tried not to irritate you, but it seems I haven't succeeded | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and apparently nobody on the planet uses USBNet with Leopard. | 12:18 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, saw the dsp headers are out? | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: Yeah, read that email | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | Seeing as they aren't *really* out; it's easier just jacking stuff from maemo still | 12:20 |
| StsN800 | that's fabolous | 12:20 |
| StsN800 | well for recompiling osso-esd.. | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | I don't get why TI/Nokia are so anal over the dsp. | 12:21 |
| trenka | zap: anyway, I'll do my best to make you happy and keeping the 'build' symlink make sence | 12:21 |
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| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, i loathe i have to reboot into ubuntu to usbnet too:P | 12:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm trying not the think about what a pain it's going to be to get the wifi going. | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: Which kernel version are you using in Ubuntu? | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least the damn thing has a serial console. | 12:24 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, no clue but its the.xp rndis problem i dislike | 12:25 |
| StsN800 | there is always g_serial which i should add to deblet.. | 12:25 |
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| qwerty12 | StsN800: Ah. I'm using 2.6.24-21-generic and I swear my usbnet in ubuntu doesn't work anymore :/ | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: You should, I added it in initfs and it just keeps on saving my ass | 12:26 |
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| StsN800 | im thinking to make holding home key or something under boot would activate a menu to choose g_serial, g_ether, g_file_storage etc | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | g_file_storage is only really useful if you want the user to be able to mount their memory card, and considering that it would be in use during deblet boot... | 12:29 |
| StsN800 | cant it export a mounted fs too? | 12:29 |
| AStorm | it can't | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, yes it can, I didn't have much success exporting mtdblock4 over usb though... | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | oh, my bad. | 12:30 |
| AStorm | no, it cannot export a mounted fs | 12:30 |
| AStorm | it exports a block device | 12:30 |
| StsN800 | blah | 12:30 |
| AStorm | use samba for exporting :> | 12:31 |
| AStorm | (but someone has to port it first) | 12:31 |
| StsN800 | that would be cool thi | 12:31 |
| StsN800 | though | 12:31 |
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| khertan | Hi everyone ! | 12:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, khertan. | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't tell me you're gonna wimp out on -developers just like that. :P | 12:38 |
| khertan | yep i did it | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | khertan, khertan, khertan . . . | 12:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | you disappoint me. :P | 12:39 |
| khertan | i prefer don't waste my time, and use it to make better software | 12:40 |
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| khertan | when something borring me ... i go out ... | 12:41 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png | 12:42 |
| khertan | what do you think of it ? | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I can't read French. :P | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks good | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You gonna use stock icons, though? | 12:43 |
| StsN800 | khertan, heh, thats my attitude when i end in fights with debian-legal or other things.. i just go code cos i want to make a good free product instead of fighting over interpretations | 12:43 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: many user don't like the look of the stock icons .... | 12:43 |
| khertan | StsN800: ;) | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | khertan, I'm a stickler for complying with a platform's look and feel. | 12:44 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep me too :) | 12:44 |
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| khertan | GeneralAntilles: this is why there is a pref 'override_theme' | 12:45 |
| khertan | :) | 12:45 |
| khertan | if you uncheck it ... it come back to the default stock icons :) | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds acceptable | 12:46 |
| khertan | héhé | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still, I'd have the default the other way around. ;) | 12:46 |
| khertan | yep i know ... | 12:46 |
| khertan | but i think we can't educate users ... | 12:46 |
| khertan | and as many found the OMWeather theme wonderfull ... | 12:47 |
| khertan | which doesn't respect any maemo ui design ... | 12:47 |
| khertan | i think i should make it default for all users ... and purist like us can deactivate it | 12:47 |
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| khertan | users now want something that is beautifull ... and if they haven't this impression while the 30 first seconds they use an application, they close it ... | 12:48 |
| khertan | i found this attitude stupid, but this the way that many users today do | 12:49 |
| khertan | so ... :) | 12:49 |
| khertan | i m trying to make everybody happy :) | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm badly inclined towards only making people I don't hate happy. :D | 12:50 |
| khertan | :) | 12:50 |
| khertan | ok minus some exception :) | 12:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see what sort of a software boom there'll be after the Summit. | 13:01 |
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| furnsie | I did an apt-get remove scratchbox-core, and then ran the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh script, and it failed with the error Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. How can I fix this? /scratchbox/compilers/ doesnt even exist. | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=packagever&id=2 | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Very interesting, but it sounds like we would have to recompile most of the programs on the debian repo? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | thought this was a generic wrapper | 13:09 |
| furnsie | is there a more correct way to uninstall scratchbox rather than deleting /scratchbox and removing scratchbox-core? I really want to get this working, but Im hitting dead ends each step of the way.. | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it could be interesting with a osk that uses him and doesnt show its own kbd | 13:13 |
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| qwerty12 | True | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | so you dont have to hildonize for h-im | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: got USB networking working between my laptop and N810 for mediaserv demos at the summit | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hildonizing matchbox-keyboard:> | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=5 using that | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Matchbox keyboard is ugly :P. I'd only rather use it when I need ctrl buttons etc | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the idea is to remove mbk layout totally so it just pops up h-im instead | 13:16 |
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| furnsie | are the scripts in /scratchbox/sbin not +x for a reason? | 13:16 |
| muu | re | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: enabling normal apps to have h-im | 13:18 |
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| muu | seems free42 (calculator) have the wrong key(s) position... | 13:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, if only I had a Linux machine handy. | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: have i lost you or you don't see the potential of osk in all non-hildon apps:) | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I just dunno what to say + I'm busy on the rott port :) | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | i will hack on it later | 13:22 |
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| Addison | Greetings everyone! :) | 13:29 |
| zhaozhou | Addison, Heya! | 13:29 |
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| Addison | Hey, my apologies for such an off topic discussion. But anyone here willing to help me stick in a graphics card for my stupid computer? | 13:30 |
| zhaozhou | What type of card is it? | 13:31 |
| Addison | I only came here because all of you are nerds. Thought I might find a friendly one that can help me out. *lol* | 13:31 |
| zhaozhou | Haha, i probably could. :-) | 13:31 |
| Addison | It's a Radeon zhazhou. | 13:31 |
| zhaozhou | A PCI-E, right? | 13:31 |
| Addison | Damn, that's a weird name you have their. Took me 6 tries just to type it! :) | 13:31 |
| zhaozhou | You should use tab-completion. :-) | 13:32 |
| Addison | You know what zhaozhou, I'm not sure. I have the card and the CD, but there's nothing on it that says what it really is. | 13:32 |
| zhaozhou | You should check that before you buy em. Nowerdays, most cards are PCE-E 16x, but if you buy one that's not compatible with your motherboard, you wont be able to use it. | 13:33 |
| Addison | The only thing I see that is distinguishable (God, I can't spell) is at the bottom of the CD.... It says "ATI015-x" | 13:34 |
| Addison | I tried to Google it and came up with squadoosh! | 13:34 |
| zhaozhou | Does'nt say me anything, actually. :-) | 13:34 |
| zhaozhou | Whats the card model? | 13:35 |
| Addison | Do clue. Where can I find that out? I've only got the CD and card with me. | 13:35 |
| Addison | No = Do. Stupid brain. :( | 13:35 |
| zhaozhou | Should be printed on the card, i think. | 13:36 |
| Addison | I stuck the graphic's card in my computer and was greeted with unrelenting, obessive beeping from hell. That's about the best I can tell you. | 13:36 |
| Addison | Okay, I've got the card on my lap. | 13:36 |
| Addison | Where do I look? I've checked the whole thing.... There's nothing really there to look at. | 13:37 |
| zhaozhou | THen you could check if there is some type of input on the side, should be 4pins in a square | 13:37 |
| Addison | Yep, I've got that. | 13:37 |
| zhaozhou | Addison, Right, that's a power input, the card wont start without separate power | 13:38 |
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| zhaozhou | Addison, On your power supply you should have one of those | 13:38 |
| zhaozhou | Addison, Most probably sais 'PCI-E' on the cable | 13:38 |
| Addison | Oh Duh! That's why my computer was going into old maid in constant menapause. The card had no juice to it. | 13:39 |
| zhaozhou | Exactly. :D | 13:39 |
| zhaozhou | Addison, Just to be sure, there is only one of those 4pins powerinputs, right? | 13:39 |
| Addison | Okay, so the four pins which is on my right side, what goes into it? | 13:39 |
| Addison | Yeah, just one. | 13:40 |
| zhaozhou | Addison, You should, as i said, have one of those going out of your power supply | 13:40 |
| Addison | Oh shit, you lost me. The card is on my lap right now. My Emachine piece of fluffy turd that's 6 years old is opened though. | 13:42 |
| Addison | I don't get the whole power supply thing. | 13:42 |
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| zhaozhou | 6 years old, huh, lets hope it has one of these then. | 13:42 |
| zhaozhou | I don't know if it's the right word, but i think it's called the power supply, right? | 13:43 |
| Addison | Hey, I think I see where you're coming from. I've got a couple of wires just hanging out in the breeze with plastic crap attached to them. The wires are yellow, black, black, and red. | 13:44 |
| zhaozhou | Haha, yeah, the power supply is the thing those are coming out of. :-) | 13:44 |
| zhaozhou | That's the exact thing you want, but they should be in a square. | 13:45 |
| Addison | Dear lord, I should be shot just on general principle. *lol* | 13:45 |
| Addison | Is it okay if I connect them now? I don't want to die a horrible, searing death. :) | 13:45 |
| zhaozhou | If you found one that fits, just plug it in, it cant fail. :-) | 13:46 |
| Addison | Okay, it's plugged in. | 13:46 |
| zhaozhou | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PSU-gold-full_set.jpg <- middle right, square one, that's the one you want. :-) | 13:47 |
| Addison | The card is still outside my delapidated (again, I can't spell) computer. | 13:47 |
| zhaozhou | Just plug it in the PCI-E port, then try booting the computer | 13:48 |
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| zhaozhou | lbreakout - best. game. ever. | 13:51 |
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| Addison | Hey, sorry for the long pause, Zhao... But my computer just squibbed on me. | 13:55 |
| Addison | After I plugged in the power supply thingie, my computer crashed within 30 seconds. | 13:56 |
| Addison | Hey zhaozou, care to take this to a private chat since it's off topic here at this forum? | 13:58 |
| zhaozhou | Sure thing. :-) | 13:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the BBC, apparently, thinks Florida is run by Jesus. | 14:33 |
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| mavhc | why? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, there is something wrong when one of our prolific developers hands in the towel, i hope its only the ML you are removing self from | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's just -developers. | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, the reporter kept calling him "Christ" | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist | 14:35 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thats just ingrained spelling cockup | 14:36 |
| lcuk | have we heard from khertan himself that its just ml? | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I related news, Cuba is fucked. | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, check the scrollback. | 14:36 |
| lcuk | i dont have one - i only logged in a few minutes ago | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just over an hour ago | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~irc-logs | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-log | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-logs | 14:37 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~irc-logs is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 14:37 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 14:37 |
| lcuk | no need GeneralAntilles :) your word is good enough | 14:37 |
| lcuk | you have a commanding voice of reason (sometimes :P) | 14:37 |
| lcuk | anything else happened whilst i was off? any new releases? streakers runnin through the chan? etc | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing interesting | 14:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles bought a giant steak for dinner tonight. | 14:39 | |
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| lcuk | i hope that doesnt attract the devil things | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm too far inland here. :D | 14:40 |
| lbt | mmm Steak and noodles | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pan-seared ribeye. | 14:40 |
| lcuk | regarding your beagle, how warm does it get? does it stay at ambient | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta disconnect the smoke alarm. . . . | 14:40 |
| lbt | fry some egg noodles in the steak juices | 14:40 |
| lbt | yep Ribeye is best | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | mornin lbt | 14:40 |
| lbt | afternoon | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I don't think the powersaving is as aggressive as it could be with the current kernel. | 14:40 |
| lbt | just been cooking the duck... | 14:40 |
| lcuk | its mornin in this house :P i cant smell the bacon | 14:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's running at 500MHz, so 100MHz under max | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | im thinking in ragard to a box | 14:41 |
| lbt | very foody today | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sitting in u-boot (without any powersaving at all) it's hot, but not too-hot-to-touch | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little hotter than the back of your N810 might get when it's really under load. | 14:41 |
| lcuk | do you cook duck often lbt, or is this an experiment? | 14:41 |
| lbt | does the beagle have wifi? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Booted into something it's just a little warm | 14:41 |
| lcuk | my 810 can become quite warm | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, nope. | 14:41 |
| lbt | whenever it's half prce at sainsburys | 14:41 |
| lbt | morning | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idea was to let the user provide all the extra stuff | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and keep the board itself as cheap, small, and simple as possible. | 14:42 |
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| lbt | there are thumbnail usb wifis though | 14:42 |
| lbt | IIRC | 14:42 |
| lbt | I wanted a pictureframe | 14:42 |
| lbt | a 19" one | 14:42 |
| lcuk | just grab a proper wifi picture frame and hack linux onto it - it hsould have everything needed | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | USBNet is kinda what you're likely to use out-of-the-box. | 14:43 |
| lbt | not seen any reliably hackable ones | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | i suppose its knowledge of whats in use | 14:43 |
| lbt | yes | 14:43 |
| aquatix | lbt: old laptop | 14:43 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:43 |
| lcuk | i bet theres a group of hackers sat in some random irc channel discussing dinner and frames | 14:44 |
| aquatix | hmmm, dinner | 14:44 |
| * aquatix oggles clock | 14:44 | |
| aquatix | lunch time :/ | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I built this instead of a real case. :P http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ | 14:44 |
| lbt | a 19" lcd (duck) monitor will fit a beagle inside | 14:44 |
| lcuk | OI, put your clock away, this is a family channel | 14:44 |
| aquatix | sorry | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I tossed the idea of hacking the Beagle into one of my Samsung LCDs for kicks. | 14:45 |
| lbt | why? | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Samsung ruined the idea by actually having a really small LCD all-in-one. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that will do you for a while - its just a way to stop accidental breakage | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Freak people out | 14:45 |
| lcuk | yer gen, thats a nice monitor | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I mostly just want to keep the cat from playing with it. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | but the cat wants to run linux | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll build a real case whenever I go visit home and my dad's tools. ;) | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | She wants to play with the puppy. | 14:46 |
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| lbt | mmm puppies | 14:46 |
| lcuk | do you have a pair of puppies? | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, just one. | 14:46 |
| lbt | we do | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cats and puppies | 14:47 |
| * lcuk is a cat person | 14:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny, my cat used to just love dogs. | 14:47 |
| lcuk | been bitten and jumped on by too many dogs for me to consider having any | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | We had a golden retriever that would clean all the cats | 14:47 |
| * lbt has 5^H 4^H 3 cats | 14:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | so you'd go down to pet a cat and get your hand covered in dog slobber. | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then the golden died and we ended up with two lapdogs | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cat doesn't like dogs anymore. | 14:47 |
| lcuk | lbt - did you have 5 to begin with? or kittens that are going to other homes? | 14:47 |
| lbt | 5, then they got older... | 14:48 |
| lcuk | lapdogs, is that like going from a desktop computer to a laptop? | 14:48 |
| lbt | had Minka for 19 years | 14:48 |
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| lbt | FYI : http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/09/07/0334251.shtml | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | These evil things: http://www.smallpawsrescue.org/pup3/buttonsheart.jpg | 14:49 |
| lcuk | at my mums I grew up with a georgeous bermese - he had a similar life | 14:49 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: there's a cat like that near here... | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | A cat that's a dog? | 14:49 |
| lcuk | rat | 14:50 |
| lbt | it's a Blofeld cat | 14:50 |
| lbt | (sp? - the 007 bad guy) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | No mr Lbt, I expect you to spell check | 14:51 |
| lcuk | lbt, do you just lurk in /. or are you active? | 14:53 |
| lbt | frontpage only most of the time | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk's "that Windows guy" on /. :P | 14:54 |
| lcuk | lol, im not actually :P | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i dont like the changes they made to logged out standard comments list | 14:54 |
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| Addison | Hey GA, why don't you stop trying to be everyone's father and just be a nice guy for a moment? | 14:55 |
| lbt | ? | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Addison, if you're going to continue to troll in here without provocation, then I'm just going to ban you. | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Consider this your first of 2 warnings. :) | 14:56 |
| Addison | Sorry, personal grief. GA upsets me with his constant, unrelenting comments from everywhere. :) | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | addison, if you have seen GAs desktop - he has 5 monitors and 2 nits, each of them a different site or chan and he types on each of them and sometimes gets mixed up | 14:57 |
| lcuk | its not his fault really :D | 14:57 |
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| Addison | Wow, 5 monitors and 2 nits? That's so hard core! What a cool person he must be! He must be having sex right now!!!! *lol* | 15:00 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 15:00 |
| lcuk | he is - theres a special hole in his beagleboard box just for the purpose :D | 15:00 |
| lbt | I have 7 monitors, 4 pcs, 3 servers, 4 pdas | 15:01 |
| aquatix | the goggles! they do nothing! | 15:01 |
| lbt | just imagine the gang bang | 15:01 |
| Addison | What's a beagleboard? Sorry, just a little slow witted on my end. | 15:01 |
| lbt | it's a puppy in a box | 15:01 |
| aquatix | lol | 15:01 |
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| lbt | http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929206/ | 15:01 |
| lbt | see | 15:01 |
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| aquatix | aw, the poor animal is getting probed | 15:02 |
| lcuk | hey GeneralAntilles, you have it hooked up with proper video out now? | 15:02 |
| aquatix | talking about wasted space: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/in/photostream/ :) | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you slept? | 15:02 |
| lbt | aquatix: you have no clue about cooling do you? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | THIS IS SPARTAN! http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/2785541252/in/pool-beagleboard | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nah, not yet. | 15:03 |
| lcuk | mornin crashanddie | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk | 15:04 |
| aquatix | lbt: like a closed cardboard box will not heat up inside :) | 15:04 |
| aquatix | not sure how much heat that board generates though | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, so, my sleeping pattern is fucked up, I'm drifting about 5 hours east, and you're doing the same? | 15:04 |
| lbt | he's not installed the puppy yet | 15:04 |
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| lbt | (it's evaporative cooling from puppy slobber) | 15:04 |
| aquatix | lbt: :) | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm bad, just getting up for class a few hours at a time in the morning. :\ | 15:05 |
| lbt | hence 'beagleboard' | 15:05 |
| lcuk | as long as he doesnt leave it in the car on a sunny day i tihnk it will be ok | 15:05 |
| lcuk | theres enough airholes in the box | 15:05 |
| Addison | So you don't actually have a job then, is that correct GA? | 15:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, the whole thing draws about 2W under extreme load. | 15:06 |
| aquatix | yeah, i remembered something like that | 15:06 |
| aquatix | it's a nice setup you have | 15:06 |
| aquatix | just struck me as funny that such a small board was put in a rather `large' box :) | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, didn't have anything smaller handy. :D | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could fit about 6 of those boards in there | 15:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | all this cool beagleboard stuff is making me hungry for the N900 :) | 15:07 |
| aquatix | ooh, beowolf cluster! | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I guess there's the box it came in, but I didn't feel like chopping that up. | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Addison, don't push your luck. | 15:07 |
| Addison | Hey GA, go fuck yourself! You're a dick, just live up to it. Trust me, I won't come back here. I personally could care less. | 15:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't know which of his relatives I raped and murdered, but DAMN. | 15:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has 1337 spam in my gmail. :blink: | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | i have 3043 | 15:10 |
| lcuk | since yesterday :P | 15:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | my number is better :p | 15:10 |
| * lcuk sends you some so you aren't 1337 anymore | 15:11 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 15:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse dpkg | 15:12 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg ! | 15:12 |
| lcuk | ill bbl folks | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | This is actually pretty good: http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=4 | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | MIPS, eh? | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | $200? | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Pretty dated, usb 1.1? | 15:15 |
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| kpel | hi | 15:16 |
| m-c- | hi wwhat is a good reeader for text files oon maemo? is it possible to removee the formattting bar, in Notes, for example?? | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fbreader | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What qwerty12_N800 said. | 15:18 |
| m-c- | thanks!! | 15:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hello, dneary. | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, it's too bad there are nearly no alternative projects for the Beagle Board | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternative hardware or alternative software projects? | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie | software | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | and hardware too I guess | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beagle aint got a Maemo equivalent? ;) | 15:23 |
| m-c- | good luck at that sumit later thiis month == looks impressive | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | I mean, excepted the GNU Radio thing, there's NIL to do | 15:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Other than the same stuff you could do with a slightly larger and more power hungry x86 board. | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | "Emma télé est allumée, Emma tais toi" | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but that's the whole point, I want to be hacking, I want to be doing crazy stuff... Not the same stuff my laptop can handle :P | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, find small places to stick it. :P | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | A carputer project is high on my list. | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I hear ya | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I kinda like Benson's backback personal-network server idea. | 15:25 |
| m-c- | mobile ftp and web server? | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I actually carried a backpack | 15:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or didn't already have all of that provided by my pocket personal-network. . . . | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, there's no such thing as "outdated" | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, you're right, it's less revolutionary than it is evolutionary. | 15:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: usb 1.1 is still slow as shit | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, so what, it runs a 100Mhz CPU lol | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | it's not meant for speed | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it signifies interesting things for the future of high-end ARM CPUs. | 15:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: true :p | 15:27 |
| yacoob | even usb 2.0 is slow | 15:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles has some hopes for breaking the stranglehold x86 has on the market. | 15:27 | |
| crashanddie | but those expansion ports are just insane... Have you seen the dev board you just glue on it? Now there's some hacking ! | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of buses to play with. | 15:27 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: does it run windows? :P | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | jott, actually, yeah, it can | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I bet you could finagle CE on there. ;) | 15:28 |
| jott | ce != "windows" :P | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the old and tired answer "3.11" | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I bet the Beagle could handle 98 | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, fix this: http://maemo.org/vote/ | 15:28 |
| aquatix | but but, does it run linux? | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | couldn't the beagle board emulate a x86 instruction set? | 15:29 |
| * aquatix ducks | 15:29 | |
| m-c- | so many different operating sy | 15:29 |
| jott | still, most of the x86 stranglehold is due to microsoft.. :/ | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, same way the tablets do. | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | DOSBox or somesuch | 15:29 |
| m-c- | systems all sayingnwindows | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | I'm pleased, no one yelled "OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad?" | 15:30 |
| yacoob | jott, sad thing is, there's no other way to fight it than other hegemony :D | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad? | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 15:31 |
| yacoob | (main disadvantage of Linux on desktop: there's >1 way to do it :) | 15:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws rotten eggs at crashanddie. | 15:31 | |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I will slap you in the face for that | 15:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: sure | 15:31 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, our troll could be using wifi, some wifi he hacked? The info I found doesn't add up. | 15:32 |
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| * GeneralAntilles suddenly feels like he's in the trailer for the next big spy action flick. | 15:33 | |
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| jott | will the beagleboard save the world?! [insert dramatic music] | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, we know he's in southern Poland, we have a huge list of activity (time and IP), we can always contact his ISP to have him shut up | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, that's no fun | 15:35 |
| jott | why would any isp care? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internet wouldn't be the internet without people like Darius. | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie | jott, trolls are considered abuse, and given enough complaints, you will see your connection canceled | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | s/canceled/cancelled/ | 15:36 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: jott, trolls are considered abuse, and given enough complaints, you will see your connection cancelled | 15:36 |
| jott | huh? trolls abuse?! | 15:36 |
| jott | you are kidding ... | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | no I'm not | 15:36 |
| jott | any significant case in poland to prove that?! | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | in poland? | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | Erhm, no | 15:37 |
| jott | would have gained big media attention. | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | But I think I have a couple in France | 15:37 |
| jott | france is sick for that matter :) | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | agreed, they were just banned from newsgroups, the ISP cut their access to any newsgroup | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Interesting bit at the end of pvanhoof's latest post: "We'll most likely use this on the Maemo platform for thumbnailing ourselves". | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | Just for the tracker-based search or better media player etc. Hmm? | 15:38 |
| * pvanhoof innocent | 15:38 | |
| crashanddie | "thumbnailing", is that slang for masturbation? | 15:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | only if your knob is tiny | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: interesting stuff :) | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 would know all about that. :D | 15:39 |
| pvanhoof | crashanddie, :) | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, oh come on, don't pick on the kid, he's only 6 years younger than you | 15:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: lol, I'm working with big guns here, go back to doing the beagleboard :p :D | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "As I see, some developers at Maemo are overcharged with bad energy and devil's frustration , so just let me live in peace, far from your virtual problems and your off-topics spamming my mailbox." | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna have to remember that one. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "bad energy and devil's frustration" | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to put together a screenplay for a musical based on the rants of Darius Jack? | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | This last one has already got pretty good timing. | 15:42 |
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| crashanddie | "[developers] driven by egoistic Self EGO killing Maemo community project" | 15:43 |
| jott | otoh, he is right with that. i don't get all this extreme whining about him.... | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | Given he's requesting to be removed, can I put his email address into the "unsubscribe over the web" box on the mailing list homepage? | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | no | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | list-master is supposed to take care of that | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | Bah. He'd still get a confirmation email. | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: listmaster should just say "go here and enter your email addresS" | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | who's up for a spot of hacking, old chaps? | 15:44 |
| * crashanddie raises hand | 15:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | He's already said he's done with the list once | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see how long this one sticks. | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, we're going to see a flying shit explode over your head, it shows your IP address to him? He's going to go mental, trust me | 15:45 |
| chmac | I've just reflashed my N810, installed some ssh keys today, changed the hostname, installed pidgin, set up some accounts, etc | 15:45 |
| chmac | Now I reboot, and the blue slider goes to 100%, then nothing | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | He says that, but he doesn't mean it, he hopes we're going to feel guilty, and say "oooh, nooo, Darius, stay" | 15:46 |
| chmac | I have enabled the lock code | 15:46 |
| chmac | Is there anything I can do to debug? | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, you used up all your energy on the election procedures? :P ;) | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | btw, how the fuck do I know what my lock code is on the device? | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12345 by default | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | ah | 15:46 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: nah, i just don't care about a troll like him... | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | if you changed it, it's somewhere on the config partition. | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | nha it's cool, cheers | 15:47 |
| * Jaffa sends him a private email with a direct link which submits the 'unsubscribe me from this list' form | 15:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: tiny url it too | 15:48 |
| chmac | Anyone? | 15:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: easy way to get lockcode: http://austinche.name/maemo/getlockcode else you can cat /dev/mtd1ro and get to searching | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | how is the security on the lock, btw? | 15:50 |
| jott | and things like harassing and insulting him is just stupid and childish... | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | I never used it | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: not much. as you just saw, it's easy to get the code | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but that means you need access to the device, right? | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, which, if locked, is a bit hard | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: someone can also flash a preprepared image of bootmenu and delete /sbin/devlock-blocker | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, ok | 15:52 |
| chmac | Does anyone know how to debug a tablet that won't boot? | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | chmac, did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? | 15:53 |
| chmac | crashanddie: I enabled red pill mode then upgraded everything "update all" | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | chmac, through the app manager or apt? | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice one. | 15:54 |
| chmac | crashanddie: the app manager | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | oh shit, no diff | 15:54 |
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| crashanddie | chmac, reflash | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What on earth drove you to do that? | 15:54 |
| chmac | :( | 15:54 |
| chmac | GeneralAntilles: lol | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to find that guide and kill it with fire. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I did a sudo gainroot; apt-get upgrade -f | 15:55 |
| chmac | Is there a specific update that causes the issue? | 15:55 |
| chmac | Or how do I keep the tablet up to date after I reflash it again? | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Red Pill in Application manager exposes some magic packages which seem DESIGNED to break the system. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | chmac, don't enable rep pill mode | 15:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is never the answer. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | s/rep/red/ | 15:55 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: chmac, don't enable red pill mode | 15:55 |
| chmac | I like the infobot :) | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's like the sledgehammer of solutions. | 15:56 |
| chmac | GeneralAntilles: Better to use apt-get? | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 90% of the time it's way too much for the job | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | I never saw the point of using red pill btw | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | the 10% of the time it's actually appropriate, things are coming down anyway. ;) | 15:56 |
| chmac | I wanted to install avahi, which wasn't showing up without it | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | I prefer using apt-* by far | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | chmac, no, just update through the application manager. | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything that doesn't show in application manager you install through apt-get | 15:57 |
| chmac | Ok :) | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly you're better off reflashing at this point. | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | chmac, if you're running diablo, you'll get a warning about updates anyway | 15:57 |
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| chmac | Ok, lesson learned | 15:58 |
| Mikho | oh, so red pill is a bad idea? | 15:59 |
| chmac | I borked it a few weeks back and have finally just gotten round to reinstalling everything | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mikho, yes. | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | chmac, I did it too at some point | 15:59 |
| Mikho | good thing I decided to look at the scrollback this time | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mikho, Red Pill is only to be used in small doses if you know exactly what you're doing. ;) | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | But sadly, because it's such a cool thing, with matrix and all | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lots of people who don't understand what it does like to recommend it as some sort of magical fix-all. | 16:00 |
| Mikho | hmm, I wonder if it was possible to install xterm in n770 without the pill... | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | btw, talking about matrix, is there a decent matrix-scrolling-characters app for Maemo? | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, we seriously don't have the LCD bandwidth | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only way that'd work is if you convince lcuk to do it. | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, we can play video, surely we could do that? | 16:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it CAN be done. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, videos are YUV | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | But liqbase is the only piece of technology with the ability to do it. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 16:02 |
| lcuk | gamma leaking portal technology | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd make a pretty awesome demo module. | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | why do you think i start with stars gen? | 16:03 |
| chmac | Ok, now to reinstall all over again. At least it'll be fresh in my mind! :) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | i was gonna add sinus scrolling text but i thought it was a bit retro | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | lol | 16:04 |
| jott | lcuk: plasmas! rotating tori! copperbars! :) | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | I'm thinking about selling my n810 btw | 16:04 |
| teprrr | hi, anyone knows how can I link my app against libqt4's debug libs instead of the normal ones? apparently I can't just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the correct libpath as the qt4 debug libs are named like the normal ones, but there's ".debug" appended to them | 16:04 |
| chmac | Is it possible to remotely control the tablet by the likes of vnc? | 16:04 |
| chmac | So I don't have to keep switching to that screen :) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | jott, when i rebuilt my colorcube to work at arbitary dimensions (instead of just 256^2) i thought instantly of plasma | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | chmac: Yes. Using VNC :) | 16:04 |
| jott | teprrr: you don't need to do an extra build | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, in preparation for? | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, getting a WE | 16:05 |
| jott | teprrr: just install the debug packages and gdb etc. will use them | 16:05 |
| lcuk | WE? | 16:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wimax editon? | 16:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *edition | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | aye | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which you're planning to use, where, exactly? | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | My camera's dead, the inbuilt mic seems to only work sometimes | 16:06 |
| lcuk | london | 16:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: is wimax gonna be any good in london? | 16:06 |
| chmac | Jaffa: Is VNC server available for maemo? | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | by 2012, prolly | 16:06 |
| jott | wimax != wimax. | 16:06 |
| jott | :) | 16:06 |
| lcuk | chmac, yes | 16:06 |
| lcuk | and client | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | if anyone is going to launch a wimax service in the UK, it has to be for the Ogames, or never | 16:07 |
| teprrr | jott, I can't force it to use them if not running inside gdb? though even if I'm running inside the gdb, I can't do flush painting.. or isn't Xephyr X11 after all? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i believe we have it in manchester or at least trials | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but the first big application will be the games, that's just obvious | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | As jott says, WiMAX != WiMAX | 16:07 |
| lcuk | from pipex | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | anyone with a little bit of brains can figure that out | 16:07 |
| lcuk | in somerfield stores (!?) | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firstly, is it 2.5GHz? | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not, no dice. | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | well, I don't really care about WiMAX | 16:08 |
| furnsie | exit | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | I just want the camera to work | 16:08 |
| furnsie | oops :) | 16:08 |
| chmac | lcuk: Where is vnc server? I don't see it for diablo in http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Warranty? | 16:08 |
| lcuk | furnsie, you are meant to type "beam me up" | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | chmac, google x11vnc maemo | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not in a repo for some reason. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | no maintainer | 16:09 |
| chmac | GeneralAntilles: Ok, thanks | 16:09 |
| lcuk | or not an active one | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should pick it up and push it to Extras. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bought it from ebay | 16:09 |
| lcuk | send it back to ebay then :D | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, all the paperwork is in France, can't be arsed to send it off | 16:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like lcuk's plan. | 16:10 |
| jott | teprrr: what are you trying to do? the .debug libs are just unstripped versions of the original with extra debug symbols. | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: I'm already using the latest x11vnc but it's packaged dirty :/ | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is that like riddin' dirty? | 16:10 |
| lcuk | what do i use to list the available exports inside my app, and can i call them from within my running program dynamically | 16:11 |
| jott | teprrr: there should be no difference in behaviour between the two versions. | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, environment variables? | 16:11 |
| lcuk | no, jumppoints | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Not quite :p. I guess I could package a "clean" version for -extras but I like my one with xrdp too. | 16:12 |
| lcuk | so i can scan my binary at runtime and build up a list of specially suffixed functions available for use within the menus | 16:12 |
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| teprrr | jott, one can use QT_FLUSH_PAINT only with debug libs to see which parts of the window are being painted | 16:12 |
| jott | crashanddie: you could order the spare camera for 3 euro :) | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | jott, eh? | 16:12 |
| chmac | Sounds like a bit of work to get x11vnc working. I'll probably stick to the stylus for now... | 16:12 |
| teprrr | (afaik) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | chmac, its just installing the deb? | 16:12 |
| chmac | lcuk: Really? Ok, where do I get it? | 16:13 |
| chmac | lcuk: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ seems a bit old... | 16:13 |
| jott | crashanddie: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=372103&eventPage=1 :) | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: did you ever read the bits in the amsterdam stuff regarding the camera? | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | nope | 16:13 |
| lcuk | chmac, december 2007 isnt that old | 16:13 |
| chmac | lcuk: Maybe that's true, this is only 2008 :) | 16:13 |
| lcuk | and if its so out of date it just wont install | 16:14 |
| jott | teprrr: hum. shouldn't be the case. | 16:14 |
| lcuk | anyway, ive gotta get on | 16:14 |
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| teprrr | hmm | 16:16 |
| jott | teprrr: really, the behaviour is identical on both versions. | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | qinterface qstyle_interface = { q_magic,"qstyle",0,NULL,(void *)qstyle_free }; | 16:17 |
| lcuk | balls | 16:17 |
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| teprrr | jott, hmm. looking at the code there's some define for checking whether it can be used. no idea though is QT_NO_DEBUG_PAINT (or something like that) is being defined for release builds. | 16:18 |
| jott | teprrr: really the .debug version is not a different build .. | 16:19 |
| jott | and i think it should be active... | 16:19 |
| jott | or better not set.. | 16:19 |
| teprrr | jott, ok. the problem lies somewhere else then.. although a bigger problem atm is that qmake doesn't seem to work inside sbox with armel target | 16:20 |
| teprrr | sigsegvs, just like uic-qt4 and others | 16:20 |
| jott | teprrr: i know. qemu is borked. you have to use the cvs-m version. | 16:21 |
| teprrr | qemu catches the signal actually.. could this happen because I'm running sbox inside virtualbox? | 16:21 |
| teprrr | ahh, humhum | 16:21 |
| jott | either export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m | 16:21 |
| jott | or set it in your target config | 16:22 |
| jott | (to make it permanent) | 16:22 |
| chmac | Is apt-cache the best tool to browse available packages? Is there anything better than `apt-cache search` ? | 16:22 |
| teprrr | chmac, umh, what do you need? | 16:22 |
| teprrr | dpkg -l can also be used to query package database | 16:22 |
| jott | teprrr: it's a bit unfortunate. i think maybe we could do a wrapper script for that, but that's still sub-optimal. | 16:23 |
| chmac | teprrr: Ok, thanks. I typically use synaptic on my laptop because it's easier to search, double click something for more info, etc | 16:23 |
| jott | teprrr: it's due to the optimization flags used to build... | 16:23 |
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| teprrr | chmac, aptitude or some other cli ui perhaps? | 16:24 |
| teprrr | jott, ah. will try that.. let's see | 16:24 |
| jott | teprrr: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/qt4-devel/2008-August/000053.html here is my post to the ml about it... | 16:24 |
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| chmac | Ok, I've reflashed, installed a few things (vncviewer, openssh, not much else), changed the hostname, installed all the updates, now I'm borked again | 16:26 |
| snakemountain1 | moring. anyone ever install additional perl modules on you device or can point me to a link | 16:26 |
| chmac | The blue bar scrolls to 100% then nothing... | 16:26 |
| chmac | Is changing the hostname a big deal? | 16:27 |
| teprrr | jott, ah. thanks. seems to work.. hmm, can I change the config for the target without bootstrapping the target again? | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | snakemountain1: `apt-get' and `perl -MCPAN' should both just work | 16:30 |
| snakemountain1 | danka, i'll give it a try | 16:30 |
| jott | teprrr: yes, just edit /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/xxxx.config | 16:30 |
| teprrr | jott, cool, thanks a lot :) | 16:31 |
| teprrr | ls | 16:31 |
| teprrr | oops | 16:31 |
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| chmac | Has the OS2008 Feature upgrade (4.2008.30-2) caused anyone issues? | 16:35 |
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| gomiam | 4.2008.30-2? I'm still on 4.2008.23... damn :-D Do I need to reflash once again? | 16:38 |
| GAN800_ | ~ssu | 16:39 |
| infobot | methinks ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 16:39 |
| gomiam | thanks | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | in c, if ive got a struct with lets say 5 members { int a,b,c,d,e; } if i use an initializer on the first 3 ie. struct A a = { 1,2,3 }; what happens to the uniniitialized items, am i safe to say they are NULL/0 ? | 16:49 |
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| teprrr | undefined, I think. could be anything | 16:50 |
| lcuk | thats a shame | 16:50 |
| teprrr | can't say for sure, have you tested what it does? I doubt it'd initialize those to 0/NULL | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | yes i tested, butl the "undefined" could simply be zero at this time with the memory allocated - they came out as null | 16:51 |
| lcuk | its in my head that if you init the first member in a constant { } block the remaining ones are set to 0, but i cant find anything to back up my thinking | 16:52 |
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| teprrr | from a little googling at least A a = { .a=1, .b=2 } etc. work with C99 | 16:57 |
| teprrr | and hmm, the whole struct gets initialized according to some Random Poster :) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | i think it works, my concern was adding new members and having to run round and extend the constant initializers | 16:58 |
| teprrr | "The members without an explicit initialiser will be initialised to the | 16:59 |
| teprrr | right type of zero. | 16:59 |
| teprrr | from http://bytes.com/forum/thread200848.html | 16:59 |
| liri | that's somewhat understandable and very common among most compilers | 16:59 |
| lcuk | yes liri, im just having to declare some statics and am just a bit rusty on things i havent done since wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back before 2000 | 17:00 |
| liri | it's generally unnecessary but I like to explicitly initialize to zero all elements in an array like this: char mybuff[SIZE] = {0}; | 17:00 |
| lcuk | thanks guys, ill get my head back into it now | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering more and more what Nokia's got cooking with GUPnP | 17:02 |
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| chmac | Tablet has just borked for the 3rd time in a row... | 17:06 |
| chmac | I'm learning all my various passwords / wpa keys by heart at this rate | 17:06 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, network controlled lights | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | lol | 17:06 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: UPnP's already part of media player; if they're looking at tracker for more than just search - a better, full-blown UPnP media player with thumbnailing etc.? | 17:07 |
| GAN800 | N900 will be sold with 3 complimentary SmartBulbs™? :D | 17:07 |
| * Jaffa hopes we won't be disappointed with the fremantle stuff at the summit | 17:08 | |
| johnx | GAN800, nope. The next non-phone from Nokia will be the Nokia Internet Light | 17:08 |
| johnx | it will have a revolutionary socket-based interface | 17:08 |
| GAN800 | you want to make a call, you gotta shout up at your ceiling fan. | 17:09 |
| * GAN800 loads up mediaserv. | 17:09 | |
| ShadowJK | Q: Hi, can I overclock my Nokia Internet Light? I have 3-phase 380V power available. thx | 17:09 |
| GAN800 | MicroB always chokes on the thumbnail generation in big folders | 17:10 |
| GAN800 | I only get garbage for thumbnails anywat | 17:10 |
| GAN800 | s/wat/way/ | 17:10 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: I only get garbage for thumbnails anyway | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: prepping a new mediaserv release atm. May be delayed a couple of hours. Trying to diagnose a "mencoder not being killed" problem. | 17:11 |
| johnx | GAN800, nah, I think they want to focus on their core demographic which just use the tablets as pocket flashlights | 17:11 |
| GAN800 | They do make awesome flashlights | 17:11 |
| GAN800 | My friends always take out their cellphones, I take out 'The Illuminator'. | 17:12 |
| GAN800 | You know, show me another handheld that you can watch TV, browse the web and irc with. . . . | 17:13 |
| lcuk | n810s should have backing tracks - when you unlock them they should play the THX deep note | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | hmmm | 17:16 |
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| yacoob | "I'm afraid I can't unlock the screen, Dave." | 17:17 |
| lcuk | the screen locking is a bit annoying to me - even when locked i can draw onto it | 17:17 |
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| GAN800 | You know what was a sound to behold? the 20th Anniversary Macintosh startup sound. | 17:17 |
| * lcuk hacks all n8x0s at the summit to play windows startup sound | 17:18 | |
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| jott | stupid session died :~( | 17:22 |
| yacoob | why are you keeping stupid sessions then, keep smart ones! | 17:24 |
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| jott | i just tried just that :) | 17:24 |
| jott | the other one had to feel dash 9. | 17:25 |
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| jott | vengeance! | 17:26 |
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| mikma | hi everyone. have you tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel? i keep on getting segmentation fault everytime i try to run it | 17:39 |
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| chmac | Ok, so it seems adding "user ALL = (ALL) ALL" to visudo causes the system to bork | 17:59 |
| chmac | Hmm | 17:59 |
| chmac | Anyone know how I would file a suitable bug report? | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | 1. use visudo. 2. Wouldn't you want a NOPASSWD in there too? | 17:59 |
| chmac | qwerty12: I guess that's the issue | 18:00 |
| chmac | qwerty12: But I don't really want to give user nopasswd access to all commands | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | But the user needs NOPASSWD sudo for some | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_: Can I steal your scripts to put data on the memory card? | 18:03 |
| jott | oh, the "dummy iap" is now "USB"? | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | jott: it was fixed to take whatever name you give it. USB is given when you install the usb control panel applet. | 18:04 |
| jott | ah. | 18:04 |
| jott | so it does not actually work :) | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | You can make multiple dummy entries like before now in Diablo using gconftool | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | I currently have DEFAULT and DUMMY as a result of me messing around before the update :) | 18:05 |
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| jott | well they just should stop being morons and release the source... | 18:06 |
| jott | so one could make a proper usb network connection.. | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | +1 | 18:06 |
| jott | at least this stupid dummy network thingy could be released.. | 18:06 |
| jott | ah well nokia and open source is still a long way to go :) | 18:07 |
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| chmac | qwerty12: I was assuming all the NOPASSWD entries before the last one would apply first | 18:08 |
| chmac | I'm sure that used to be the case as I had my previous tablet set up that way and I'm pretty sure it worked | 18:08 |
| chmac | The recent updates have borked it though | 18:09 |
| chmac | At least now, 4 reflashes later, I know what the problem is! | 18:09 |
| chmac | I'm getting very good at the first few steps after a reflash | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not really sure on how sudoers work. I just have sudser installed and that's it for me. | 18:09 |
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| chmac | qwerty12: sudser, does that allow you to sudo as user? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 18:10 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Hmm, I'll check it out, is it in extras? | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah. | 18:11 |
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| chmac | Oh well, it seems I've found my issue at lesat | 18:35 |
| chmac | The same thing happens before I install the OS2008 update | 18:35 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: yeah, use the scripts. You could also test if dh_fixperms --exclude dir is really needed. I think that updating or something didn't work without that. | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_: Thanks, should be useful. | 19:39 |
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| crashanddie | Google gets its own satellite: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10034476-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 | 19:52 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Hi lardman | 20:03 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 20:04 |
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| * qwerty12 curses as I realise I typed root instead of rott out of habit | 20:06 | |
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| * lardman wonders if he should add a post to the "Council thread : who wants my vote - and why?" thread, sounds like a copy & paste job from a job application :) | 20:13 | |
| brontide | firefox 3 under osx keeps crashing | 20:14 |
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| crashanddie | brontide, wrong channel | 20:17 |
| brontide | the only site that I was browsing at the time was the maemo wiki | 20:17 |
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| rm_you | Damn, my Wiki login is still broken | 20:22 |
| StsN800 | there isn't a software method to measure how much energy the tablet uses is there? | 20:23 |
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| brontide | darkblue_B: any thoughs on using avahi to advertise your web services over bonjour | 20:23 |
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| lardman | StsN800: uptime before it shuts down? | 20:23 |
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| StsN800 | hehe.. i was more thinking along the lines of powertop | 20:24 |
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| lardman | really though, is there a script somewhere to measure battery life? I could do with testing sbcenc | 20:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is easy to write | 20:25 |
| StsN800 | lardman, kcbatt maybe | 20:25 |
| lardman | RST38hL I know, I've just got other things to do as ever :) | 20:25 |
| RST38h | just read value from procfs (or whatever it is called) and drop it into a text file | 20:25 |
| lardman | s/L/: | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: powertop requires a kernel with a funky .config option which the n800 doesn't like :/ | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: yes, but it is 3-line easy =) | 20:25 |
| lardman | RST38h: I'm 3-line busy! ;) | 20:25 |
| lardman | actually I'd need to remember to charge my bt headset which is more of a problem | 20:26 |
| lopz | hola | 20:26 |
| RST38h | [thtat was 3+ lines of IRC messages just now ;)] | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=219869&postcount=21 - battery status from http://www.nitapps.com/ is needed which has a built in logging function. kcbatt - http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ - is good to look at too | 20:27 |
| lardman | yeah, I'm running at ~1% brain capactity atm to save on food | 20:27 |
| lardman | cheers qwerty12 I'll take a look | 20:28 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I know the feeling | 20:30 |
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| mavhc | why does the firmware update program say "disconnect the charger", seems, well, crazy | 20:30 |
| MadMan2k | hi, can someone tell me how to listen to the right click events in hildon? | 20:31 |
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| lardman | mavhc: CO2 ;) | 20:32 |
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| mavhc | would help if the download of the firmware wasn't really slow, is nokia running their servers on actual nokia products? | 20:33 |
| mikma | so, anyone here tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel? | 20:34 |
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| brontide | mavhc: because the NIT's are not really "off" when plugged in, they need to be cold booted to accept a new flash and that means unplugged so they truly turn off | 20:35 |
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| StsN800 | mavhc, it is a running joke here that maemo.org is run on 770s:P | 20:38 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800: I thought they were planning to upgrade to N800? | 20:38 |
| StsN800 | yes, but they are beta testing soldering more ram on the 770s;) | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 20:39 |
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| lardman | right, I've just sent my job application ;) | 20:47 |
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| lardman | at least that's what if felt like | 20:48 |
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| eichi | we need more nice games on maemo that arent small mini-game like things ^^ | 20:53 |
| eichi | someone can tell me some? only hex-a-hop is a great one. wesnoth too, but its not good playing on nxxx | 20:53 |
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| K_away | eichi: do it yourself ! | 20:56 |
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| mikma | well. there is still the openttd 0.6.2 that keeps segfaulting =/ | 21:12 |
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| liri | I see the Google Street map in maemo mapper upside down :) | 21:16 |
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| BULLE | liri: so dont hold your tablet uppside down! | 21:17 |
| liri | it's not heh | 21:18 |
| liri | seriously, is there a flip toggle there or what? | 21:18 |
| liri | oh, toggling auto rotate off does the job | 21:21 |
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| yacoob | hm? tablet has inertia sensors? | 21:25 |
| liri | is there an easier way to zoom in/out without having to go to the menu? | 21:25 |
| yacoob | liri, use +/- keys? | 21:25 |
| yacoob | (I presume you're talking about maemo mapper) | 21:26 |
| yacoob | if they don't work for you, go to settings, visit 'hardware keys' section and put zoom in/out where you'd like it to be | 21:26 |
| liri | yeah maemo mapper on the n810 | 21:26 |
| liri | + and - are indeed set in the settings but it doesn't work | 21:29 |
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| yacoob | I think there was a comment on that on the mapper's homepage. | 21:32 |
| yacoob | or in the help? | 21:32 |
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| mavhc | I do like hexahop | 21:39 |
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| liri | the help page doesn't have any info about it | 21:49 |
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| liri | it has a reset button which I don't want to press | 21:51 |
| yacoob | hm... do I need to somehow tell fbreader to refresh its library? I've set the path right, but it doesn't seem to see the files, and I don't want to add them one by one. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | just add the first manually and normally by the time you've finished that its scanned and added the ones you expect | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: it only scans certain types of files automatically :( | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | thou for ages i thought the library only showed items which you had read so didnt see it as a downside | 21:55 |
| liri | yacoob: whats a decent zoom level for street maps? | 21:57 |
| yacoob | liri, I use 5-8 mostly, but I'm only geocaching. You might want 10+ for driving a car... | 21:58 |
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| yacoob | uh, tablet rebooted | 22:02 |
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| liri | ahh ok | 22:08 |
| liri | well would be nice if I figured out how to use the + and - for zoom in/out | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: *trying to dpkg-buildpackage hildon-input-framework | 22:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: cool, i'd have liked to have tried but networkmanager is disconnecting my net connection when I ssh into deblet :/ | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah.. nfi what is amatter with NM. Think monkies wrote it. | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, i don't like networkmanager, keep it disabled on my desktop too | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | there's always editing /etc/network/interfaces and overridingNM :P | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep :) | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i do wonder if a gtk program using hildon im through gtk im.. requires the whole hildon stuff running | 22:17 |
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| summatusmentis | is there a reason gpe-calendar isn't in extras? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: oh, and i'm doing this in deblet on my tablet. i think it's going to burst into flames. | 22:22 |
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| K_away | summatusmentis: it s in extras-devel | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/LZOa9S90.html <- woop | 22:25 |
| summatusmentis | what's the repo search? | 22:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: brilliant! but the shlibs msgs aren't filling me with confidence :) | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: heh, and just had my deblet reboot :> | 22:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I just keep my wd's off. easiest solution in kde + deblet... | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. wonder what causes it though | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect oom killer not configured ight | 22:31 |
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| summatusmentis | still no microsd cards larger than 8GB right? | 22:32 |
| mzechner | greetings. a small question: i just installed gcc 3.4 from the chinook repository. i tried compiling a simple hello world app but ld can't find crt1. i googled for quiet some time now but that didn't help. any tips are appreciated | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_n800 | thx, i'm trying mpd | 22:37 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 internet connection fuxed up when attempting to install mpd :/ | 22:46 | |
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| crashanddie | summatusmentis, nope | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | summatusmentis, start of october 2008 | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | "We are taking pre-orders now from the first UK shipment due in at the start of October 2008. When the stock arrives, orders will be filled based on the pre-order date. We do expect demand to outstrip supply on the product for much of Q4." | 22:52 |
| crashanddie | "Our Price: £38.29 (£44.99 inc VAT)" | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | lol @ 32Gb SD card: Weight: 0.4 kg | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: i did introduce a new optimization thing in /etc/init.d/boot-basics taken from maemo.. it may work counterproductive | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it hasn't been tested throughly :P (i guess this is one problem of alpha software..) | 22:58 |
| qwerty12-N800 | :) | 22:58 |
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| liri | who said a zoom of 10 is enough for car nav? hardly a 7 is enough :) | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildon-input-method-framework/ | 23:03 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Thanks! I'll install when i'm in deblet later :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | np | 23:03 |
| ricko73 | roadmap has been quite stable for gps maps in the US | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | didn't verify them yet but gonna play a bit now while the gf is soaking in the tub anyway.. :P | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, are you around? | 23:05 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: yup | 23:08 |
| lcuk | hi, just a quickie, your video converter - any idea how long it would take to run actually on the device? | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | For a typical 640x368 DivX off the Internet to the lowest resolution preset: a realistic time, sub-realtime. | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | Of course, if ssvb's optimisations for mplayer also affect the decoding in mencoder (and, ideally, the encoding) it mightn't be as long as one thought. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i know it owuldnt be realtime - but im just thinking whilst its plugged in somewhere | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | Would be interesting to know | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | if i get round to it ill stick it on device and find out, was more curiosity than anything | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, is there a mencoder build? | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, ill look when i have a break later - i just wanted to see if anyones been mad enough yet | 23:12 |
| qwerty12-N800 | yer, bundyo's got one from rc2 based off ssvb's mplayer rc1 | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | cool | 23:13 |
| * lcuk is making classes with inheritance in c. and they appear to work :S | 23:13 | |
| BULLE | lcuk: just look at gtk+ and feel the pain =D | 23:14 |
| lcuk | bulle, im having to look everywhere BUT the pre-built stuff, ive somehow chosen the path of most spikey crushed glass sore knackers resistance :) | 23:15 |
| * lcuk wishes graphics looked nice and pretty and fast using the default methods | 23:15 | |
| BULLE | hehe | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | thanks jaffa anyway, cyas later | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | cya | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/h-i-m.png | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | is kinda useless but it actually works.. | 23:21 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | >.<, I think it would work well in nit-env-stskeeps | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: for putting more fuglies on the screens? ;) | 23:22 |
| qwerty12-N800 | nah, because n-e-s uses matchbox | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | true | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | iz progress however | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:23 |
| qwerty12-N800 | :) | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221728&postcount=19 for documentation | 23:38 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | Thanks, I really want to get ssh set up so I can compile but doing it using MB is gonna make me crazy. unless I chroot :/ | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | got usbnet? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | there's a telnetd open on usb0 :P | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | true, your kernel | 23:42 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | i cant think of anything else, i had the perfect working settings, nothing changed but it stopped working :/ | 23:43 |
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| solmumaha | qwerty12-N800: why did you thank me in your rott announcement? :) | 23:56 |
| qwerty12-N800 | solmumaha: I'm using modified version of your scripts :) | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | Right, tablet-encode v2.20 released. mediaserv v0.06 may have to wait another day. | 23:57 |
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