IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-09-07

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GeneralAntillesI think people continue to completely miss the point that it's a _maemo.org_ Community Council. . . .00:00
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lcukno, hes trolling the dev- channel00:02
lcukthats what ppl are moaning about00:02
lcuki wouldnt care if it was all in community00:02
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jottGeneralAntilles: i thought it would be the "Nokia Council"?! :P00:09
GeneralAntillesor "itT Community Council"00:11
jott"iTTT" the internet tablet talk tribunal :)00:13
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eichihello, im using the miro player some times so look some podcast, is there a way to use the maemo IT as a remote control?00:32
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GeneralAntillesHrm, that's bad. . . .
derfWhy is that bad?00:42
GeneralAntilles"Maemo Community council"00:43
GeneralAntillesIt's " Community Council"00:43
GeneralAntillesBad because it implies a lot of things that simply aren't true.00:43
GeneralAntillesand incorrectly uses a Nokia trademark00:43
lbtOH MY GOD!00:44
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GeneralAntillesReggie messed it up on the news article, too. . . .
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guentherOh, man. Now that I've had a quick look at scummVM, I need to find my old "The Curse of Monkey Island" box again.00:56
GeneralAntillesPlays really well on the tablets.00:56
guentherRight, make me want it right now even more. ;)00:57
* guenther saw the screenshots00:57
guentherAnyway, this is something I kind of always wondered:00:58
guentherIs there any "this is where the device beleves I am touching" app?00:58
guentherLike a tool in the old Palm days...00:58
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guentherBasically, a blank screen. Full-screen. That merely shows a cross-hair cursor wherever I touch.00:59
guentherGeneralAntilles: Scetch falls short on two constraints:00:59
guentherNot full screen.00:59
guentherDoesn't easily show repeating tap / move over the same point.01:00
GeneralAntillesOK, MyPaint?01:00
guentherThe first being the most important.01:00
guentherTo check the edges, which tend to be off the most, if at all.01:00
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lbtguenther: yes : deblet :)01:01
guentherHmm, mypaint looks cool. Need maemo screenshots, though. ;)01:02
GeneralAntillesHas pressure data, too.01:02
guentherlbt: What's deblet?01:02
GeneralAntillesguenther, Debian+tablet01:02
GeneralAntilles~deblet is
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles01:03
lbtsomeone was asking for a mouseover mode01:03
lbtI wondere whether it makes sense to use pressure01:03
lbtkinda obvious but...01:03
guentherheh, a "distro"...01:04
lbtit runs normal X01:04
lbtso as I move my stylus around, the cursor follows it :)01:05
guentherunderstand :)01:05
lbtbut actually01:05
lbtit would be an idea for a simple app01:05
lbthmm, I need a Qt4 project...01:06
guentherWell, you can enhance it, make it optionally report all crazy data, moving out of the test-area where the stylus is heading to... ;)01:06
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lpotterlbt: checkout
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lcukdoes anyone know how i get a list of fonts which includes the filename associated?  im looking at the fc-list command and want to know which are from ttf files02:44
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GeneralAntillesNo, lcuk, but I've got a question for you. :P02:53
GeneralAntillesGot any recommendations if I want to build a wood case for the Beagle?02:53
lcukim close anyway, i think i know how to do it now :)02:53
lcukit depends what you want to do with it really02:53
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lcukhas it got a screen or are you considering getting it one02:54
GeneralAntillesNah, no screen02:54
GeneralAntillesJust need the HDMI port.02:54
lcukand power02:54
GeneralAntillesSo, little 4" x 4" x 1" box02:54
GeneralAntilles2x 3.5mm, HDMI, SD, USB, serial and JTAG02:54
GeneralAntillesPlus 5v power02:54
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lcukif i ever came to needing one of those i would initially look for a prebuilt hobby box02:56
lcukhave you checked out the hobby market around the #beagle camp?02:56
GeneralAntillesThere's one lucite kit02:56
lcukthe case for my 810 started out life as a folding chess board.  i originally wanted to keep it closable but cut out both halves like a fake book02:58
lcukits the simplest way to create an area without having knowledge of woodworking and full joinery02:58
lcukyou could try similar for your beagle, its easier using a router to cut into a preexisting block than knowing how to build a frame02:59
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GeneralAntillesI want to leave the thing plugged in and turned on03:00
GeneralAntillesbut can't really do that if it's just sitting out03:00
GeneralAntillesespecially with the cat around.03:00
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, how's your beagle doing?03:05
GeneralAntillesBooting now with workable USB03:05
crashanddieOops! Looks like you followed a bad link.03:06
GeneralAntillesNow I've got to figure how to get either the Bluetooth or Wifi adopters working03:06
jottthe geneneneneneral! :)03:06
crashanddielol at genene03:06
jottGeneralAntilles: why not get a simple aluminium case or something?03:07
jottshould be available for a few bucks.03:07
GeneralAntillesAny recommended sources?03:07
jottjust drill some holes in it :)03:07
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I love your desktop setup03:07
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's entirely obscene.03:08
crashanddiewell, the 3 flat screen + the IBM M keyboard = awesomeness03:08
GeneralAntillesThere's two more. . . . <_<03:08
crashanddiedeblet worked out of the box?03:09
crashanddieThat's pretty awesome03:09
* crashanddie drools at the speakers03:09
lcukthats wicked03:09
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, nice pussy03:10
GeneralAntillesI love teh Axioms03:10
lcuki just had a thought - you know this guy thats talking about the extension bettery thing for memory sticks03:10
jotthehe the table seems a bit out of style for the setup :)03:10
lcukGeneralAntilles, im thinking this based on yours03:10
GeneralAntillesjott, I need more table.03:11
lcukwould it be good to have a proper power dock on the bottom of the device03:11
lcukrather than clunky one we have currently03:11
lcukgen wtf is this?
GeneralAntillesI should probably tag it.03:16
lcukyou need to kill it03:16
GeneralAntillesIt's dead03:16
lcukthats for the best03:16
GeneralAntillesThat's just a baby one.03:16
jotti would just bring a xkcd reference ..
lcukfor context, how large was that - in nokia internet tablet units please03:16
GeneralAntillesA little less than 1 tablet03:17
GeneralAntillesThat's seagrass around it.03:17
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lcukdo those demons of the night visit often?03:18
* lcuk shudders03:18
GeneralAntillesThey come and go every couple years.03:19
GeneralAntillesThey're really not particularly exciting03:19
lcukdo flamethrowers work?03:19
GeneralAntillesCan't hurt you.03:19
GeneralAntillesFull grown:
GeneralAntilles "hai lcuk"03:20
lcukmy missus is afraid of the common little house spider, i am fine with small scale, however an irrational fear of evil things with more legs than me is overpowering03:20
jott hm :)03:20
lcukside on it looks cute03:20
GeneralAntillesjott, that's unusually large03:20
GeneralAntillesProbably about 2x the size of the ones you see around here.03:20
lcukor he is a midget03:20
lcuki couldnt kill the side on one immediately, but if i saw it from above i would think it was an alien03:21
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lcuk\@/ Horseshoe crabs possess the rare ability to regrow lost limbs,03:23
lcukf***ers won't die03:23
jottthey are known to eat souls.03:23
lcukits like spiders in tanks - GeneralAntilles how fast do they run?03:25
GeneralAntillesVery slow03:25
GeneralAntillesNot like a blue crab'll dart at you. ;)03:25
doc|homefuckers won't die, ugly as sin, eat souls, sounds like cheney, has someone put a mask on one and made it vp?03:26
jott and they are heavily into group sex :p03:29
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Mikhohard horseshoe crab action!03:31
GeneralAntillesI wonder about you sometimes, jott. . . . :P03:31
jottit's not my fault it comes as second result on youtube :p03:32
mzechneri got a small question on the powervr chip. i did some research and found this on the wiki. is anyone aware of any news on that topic? the last modification dates back to july as far as i can see03:36
GeneralAntillesmzechner, everything relevant is on that page and its associated talk page.03:36
GeneralAntillesThere will likely be more news after the Maemo Summit on the 19th.03:36
mzechnergreat, i'd really appreciate powervr drivers with opengl es bindings :)03:37
mzechnerlets hope for the best03:38
GeneralAntillesI really hate that the bugzilla quicksearch only searches open bugs.03:38
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GeneralAntillesIt might make sense for a bugzilla with 5 or 6 figures03:39
GeneralAntillesBut not ours.03:39
jotti think it almost always makes sense when they are clearly marked closed (like light gray text or striked)03:40
jottand put at the end of the list03:41
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crashanddiebtw guys03:41
crashanddiemay I just take a moment03:41
GeneralAntillesEvery moment is precious.03:41
crashanddieto point how hard Darius makes me laugh03:41
crashanddiepoint out**03:41
GeneralAntillesHe was funnier earlier in the year.03:41
GeneralAntillesNow he's just irritating.03:41
crashanddieyeah well I just noticed there was -developer03:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, if you want more laughs, search for some of his earlier stuff on itT.03:42
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I have, don't worry03:42
mdgHello!  I have a Nokia 770 and I was wondering what OS I can update to?03:42
GeneralAntillesAny, actually.03:42
crashanddiemdg, hi, welcome03:42
infobotwell, flashing is
mdgwill my 770 then be able to play flash videos?03:43
GeneralAntillesYou'll need to install mplayer03:43
crashanddiemdg, performance won't be good03:43
GeneralAntillesnot in the browser, anyway.03:43
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, there's greasemonkey for microb, right?03:43
GeneralAntillesIt's slow03:44
mdgso I would need to download the file and then play it in mplayer for best performance?03:44
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, do you know if it's possible to have an mplayer plugin for microb?03:44
GeneralAntillesYes, there is one.03:44
GeneralAntillesmdg, yes.03:44
GeneralAntillesOr there are some applications that'll handle it03:44
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, cuz I have this greasemonkey script that loads up mplayer to play the video rather than flash03:44
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, might be worth it to try it out...03:45
mdgI have another question about accessing clear channel streaming radio station content - is that possible now?03:45
crashanddieclear channel?03:46
GeneralAntillesI dunno, what does clear channel stream in?03:46
GeneralAntillesProbably something shitty and Windows-only know Clear Channel.03:46
mdgyes, shifty!03:46
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Probably something shitty and Windows-only knowing Clear Channel.03:47
mdgthe link is buried a couple layers deep and its picky about launching its player in a window03:47
GeneralAntillesThis one's a classic:
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, but not only are his stories to die for, his writing abilities are just classic03:48
* GeneralAntilles can't decide if he wants to make peach cobbler or just eat the peaches straight.03:49
mdgDo many people still use 770s?03:52
crashanddiethey're still around03:52
mdgpeople have much luck with things like skype and googletalk?03:53
crashanddieI only own the n810, so I couldn't say, really03:53
mzechnerbtw, is there any cheap way to replace a 770's display? i got my old one laying around and it's suffered a 'bit'03:54
mdgI was trying to decide what kind of headset I would need if I were trying googletalk03:54
mzechnerwould be a shame to let it die03:55
mdganyone every hacked one to use as a virtual chumbie or whatever it was called?03:56
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, this is the best ever03:59
GeneralAntillesmzechner, no, not really.04:00
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GeneralAntillesYou could buy a parts 770 off eBay, I suppose04:00
GeneralAntillesSomewhat delicate replacement procedure, though.04:00
crashanddienot really04:00
GeneralAntillesmdg, Skype is mostly a non-starter on the 770.04:00
GeneralAntillesGTalk is a little better.04:01
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, small parts, fragile connectors.04:01
mzechnernah, i guess it will serve as a server then04:01
crashanddiebleh, you obviously never had to play around with a broken laptop :P04:01
GeneralAntillesmdg, my personal recommendation is to find yourself a used N800 and upgrade ASAP. ;)04:01
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I've played with several.04:01
GeneralAntillesReplaced the LCD on an old iBook04:02
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, best hack up till now, transfer a laptop into a HD projector04:02
GeneralAntillesand a backlight capacitor on an old PowerBook.04:02
infobotcrashanddie meant: GeneralAntilles, best hack up till now, transform a laptop into a HD projector04:02
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, Pleas stop. :P04:03
crashanddiebut i luvz uuuu04:03
GeneralAntillesDarius is such a nutter04:04
GeneralAntillesI wish those Polish rants fanoush found had been translated.04:04
crashanddie"What you call blogs is information noise generated by private persons. Blogs are ok"04:04
crashanddieanti-these much?04:05
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, yeah I found some of them, one of my roomies is polish, I can give her a fag and tell her to do it04:05
mdgthere seems to be a problem with the page about updating firmware - I'm getting nothing04:06
crashanddieshe's usually paid half a buck an hour anyway, so it's a win-win situation anyway04:06
crashanddiemdg, refresh it04:06
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GeneralAntillesmdg, there are some apache issues with the wiki04:07
GeneralAntilleswaiting on server upgrades that are coming in the next few weeks for a real fix04:07
GeneralAntillesjust refresh if you get blank pages or error pages.04:07
mdgstill nothing after refreshing04:08
GeneralAntillesCache, probably.04:09
crashanddieor ctrl-refresh04:09
mdgokay, I'll try shift refresh04:09
mdgthat worked!  Thanks!!!04:10
crashanddiemdg, the server is a bit sick. They're trying to feed the hamster, but it won't eat. We're working on it.04:12
mdgLOL Poor litttle guy!04:12
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GeneralAntillesWe're lucky 770s are so low power, else the server wouldn't be up at all. ;)04:13
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mdganybody found a really good keyboard hack for the 770?04:16
GeneralAntillesTo attach a keyboard?04:18
GeneralAntillesNo, not really.04:18
GeneralAntillesLogitech has that little Bluetooth one for $15004:18
mdgoh. Okay04:21
GeneralAntillesOtherwise you can grab an iGo stowaway or the Apple BT keyboard.04:22
GeneralAntillesStowaway for compact, foldable04:22
GeneralAntillesApple for laptop-size04:22
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mdgApple BT?04:25
mdgI'll have to google that04:25
crashanddieI have the Apple BT one for the PS304:25
crashanddievery comfortable, easy to sit on your lap04:25
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mdgI think I'll go with the apple - it can also be a backup for my old, old iMac04:29
mdgThanks for all the great help!  I'm sure I'll be back after I get my 770 flashed.  Y'all have a great evening!04:32
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GeneralAntillesI love cheeseburgers04:34
GeneralAntillestoo bad they make such a mess.04:34
timsamoffArg. Having mmc1 read-only issues again.04:35
GeneralAntillesHit it with a stick.04:36
timsamoffStick in hand.04:36
GeneralAntillesYou check the fs?04:37
timsamoffNot yet. I'm lounging... But can't read any emails in Claws. Annoying!04:37
timsamoffEr, checking now.04:38
GeneralAntillesumount /media/mmc104:38
GeneralAntillesfsck /dev/mmcblk1p104:38
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GeneralAntillesAs root, of course.04:38
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timsamoffHa! Gotta love when sh commands aren't recognized. I  think a reboot is in order!04:42
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brontideHey, anyone else have mytube here?04:57
ProteousI have yourtube05:01
Proteousyourmom gave it to me05:01
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acydlordlol, i just had to check to see which channel i was in05:11
* Proteous keeps it real05:14
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brontideI fixed it... a simple fix makes mytube download high-quality vids05:21
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I was thinking05:56
crashanddiedo you think we'll ever get to a point, we're just going to get a chip to connect to the TV/screen, and play our game, instead of a console with the game you swap?05:57
crashanddieI mean, we've all seen what the OMAP3 is capable of handling05:57
GeneralAntillesWe'll see what happens.05:58
GeneralAntillesI can always cancel if they change the price.05:58
crashanddieit just jumped from 18k to 600 most buyed item05:58
crashanddieI think they'll be running out of stock soon :D05:59
GeneralAntillesGuaranteed wont ship at the price06:00
GeneralAntillesBut who knows.06:00
GeneralAntillesThere've been similar fuckups in the past that've ben honored.06:00
crashanddiewell, people completed the whole process06:00
crashanddiethey paid for it and everything06:00
crashanddieso won't they be obliged to honour it?06:01
crashanddiethere must be some lawsuit you guys will be able to file :P06:01
GeneralAntillesI don't recall what the agreement says.06:01
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crashanddieIf they start shipping them06:01
crashanddieI think we might as well mail all the paperwork for bankruptcy to the owner06:02
darkblue_Bhello - if I want to run a python process for a long time, I would use screen from the root terminal perhaps ??  I dont see screen installed on my N800.. whats the best way to get it? thx06:02
LinuxCodecrashanddie, I doubt US law is as generous as UK law06:03
LinuxCodein the US you can term and conditions your way out of everything Im sure06:03
GeneralAntillesI don't even have a place to put something that big.06:04
crashanddieLinuxCode, who are you and how the hell do you know I'm in the UK? :P06:04
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'm sure you'll find a way06:04
LinuxCodecrashanddie, Im your father....DR Evil06:04
GeneralAntillesIt wont fit in the home theater center at my parent's house, either.06:04
darkblue_Byour signin on msg shows your IP number often..06:04
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, and well, $2k bonus is never a bad thing, even if you sell it for $1k06:04
GeneralAntillesSell it for a Mac Pro06:05
crashanddiedarkblue_B, right, like he bothered to check the logs for a time my mask didn't pop in before I joined the channel, trace the IP to get my location, just to know how to phrase his thought06:05
crashanddieThat makes sense06:05
LinuxCodeIm in your head06:06
darkblue_Bscreen anyone?06:06
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LinuxCodereading your brainwaves06:06
crashanddiedarkblue_B, having a python process will probably drain your battery in a couple of hours06:06
darkblue_Bhmm.. its ok..06:07
darkblue_BI can manage t06:07
darkblue_Bits for a demo06:07
AStormuhm... why would it drain battery?06:07
AStormit depends if it's actually consuming CPU time06:07
AStormjust having it in the background won't hurt06:07
darkblue_BI'm not that good with the repo system here.. so I am asking about where to find screen..06:07
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darkblue_B.. I notice its in the
crashanddiedarkblue_B, I don't have it in my repos, sorry, can't help06:08
crashanddieAStorm, well, most python applets drain my battery quite heavily06:09
darkblue_Bthis is a light weight web server.. it may well be still when not used06:09
darkblue_Bso .. I have to build screen? that doesnt seem right06:10
crashanddiedarkblue_B, why do you need to screen it in the first place?06:10
GeneralAntillesShould be in the tools repo06:11
AStormcrashanddie: that's because they're using cairo?06:11
AStormstill, which python applets?06:11
crashanddieAStorm, HomeIP and HomeWE06:11
darkblue_Bcrashanddie: hmm, safer than the & backgrounder in the root shell06:11
AStormcrashanddie: they such due to other reasons06:12
crashanddiedarkblue_B, just make a proper daemon out of it (dunno if that's possible with python, guess so), and correct logging abilities06:12
AStormit is possible06:12
AStormwith sys.fork I think06:12
AStormthere is syslog module too06:12
darkblue_Bpointers welcome06:13
darkblue_Bworking source example more welcome!06:13
crashanddiedarkblue_B, I know the easy way to go would be to screen it, but having a screen running is no more secure than having a desynched shell06:13
darkblue_Blooking.. btw- no screen in the tools repo that I see06:14
darkblue_Byow.. 'simple' eh?06:16
* crashanddie is awkwardly helpful tonight06:17
brontideif it's a demo then just use a terminal session from a laptop or desktop06:18
darkblue_Bwell, the show goes like this.. I have the light weight server running on the N800.. there is a cusomt RESTful DB server on top of sqlite306:19
darkblue_Bthen I use my laptop and run the two web page clients06:19
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_Tomis there an IRC client  for my n810?06:20
darkblue_Bso I really dont use the terminal on the N800 at all , once its running06:20
brontideWhy not use a terminal on the laptop and ssh to the n80006:20
darkblue_Bsqlite3 is built into recent python06:20
darkblue_Bbrontide: if I start the thing tonight.. I dont think I wl lhave to change anything for Monday06:21
darkblue_BI think it will run quietly06:21
brontidesimple is use Xterminal on the n800 or use a ssh connection from a laptop06:21
brontideor properly daemonize the app06:22
darkblue_BI am n on ssh now on the N800 from a laptop06:22
darkblue_Bwhy connect later? I dont follow06:23
darkblue_BI just want to start it and leave it06:23
brontideThen use Xterminal and minimize the window... no need for screen06:23
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darkblue_Bbrontide: I dont see xterminal.. where do I get that?06:26
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brontideutilities... it's installed by default06:26
brontidescroll down06:27
darkblue_Bnot finding it   ???06:27
brontideYou do have os2008?06:28
darkblue_Byes, I believe I do.. how can I check?06:28
brontidethen when you open your application menu on the left, select utilities, and then scroll down to the bottom on the right06:29
darkblue_Byou mean the terminal on the N80006:30
darkblue_Bnot a remote xterminal06:30
brontideYes, it's called Xterminal06:30
brontidesorry for the disconnect06:30
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darkblue_Bok, well working on the setup06:35
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_Tomum... does someone know if there is a IRC client available for the n810?06:44
infobotsomebody said xchat was an IRC client for unix and windows at or
GAN800it's in Extras-devel06:45
infobotsomebody said extras was
AStormworks quite good06:45
crashanddiethat should be promoted though06:45
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_TomThanks, thats wha I've been missing lately06:45
GAN800Waiting on some packaging fixes06:45
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GAN800Talk to mgedmin if you want to help.06:46
_TomI use xchat, it works well06:46
crashanddie<-- still waiting for X-Fade to return06:46
GAN800He should be back today06:46
crashanddieand I'll be able to push some packages :)06:46
GAN800Which probably translates to Momday.06:46
infobotGAN800 meant: Which probably translates to Monday.06:46
crashanddieI thought that was around may06:46
brontideyour Freudian slip is showing06:47
AStormshoving you around06:47
darkblue_Bbrontide: bingo.. the server is running :-)06:49
brontidecongrats, good luck on your demo06:49
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I know where Darius Jack lives06:50
GeneralAntillesYou should go have tea with him.06:50
_Tom16gb hdsc... sick$4206:51
crashanddie_Tom, SD or microSD?06:51
_Tomoh... :(06:51
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, duntyawannano howadidit?06:53
darkblue_Bprocess looks perfectly quiet to me06:53
darkblue_Btop -b | grep ###06:53
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, sure, Mr. PI. :P06:53
crashanddiehehe :P06:54
crashanddiehang on06:54
crashanddietrying a few things, if I'm (really) lucky, I should be able to pull out his real name/home address06:54
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moontigerGeneralAntilles, you remember that place you sent me a link to for the OTG usb adapters?06:59
moontigerheh well after 3 weeks of waiting they sent the wrong ones07:00
moontigeryah they sent for the n800 but i wanted for the n81007:00
GeneralAntillesThat looks better, though.07:00
GeneralAntillesOh, uh, they sent the right one.07:00
GeneralAntillesThere isn't one for the N810 yet.07:00
moontigeryah ... i sent them back :|07:01
crashanddieDarius Jack: IE 7. Windows XP.07:01
moontigerhow come there isnt one for n810 yet??07:01
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GeneralAntillesSo, you actually ORDERED the wrong one, they didn't SEND the wrong one. :P07:01
GeneralAntillesJolouis is working on it.07:01
GeneralAntillesThere's nobody that makes a MicroUSB adaptor of that type07:01
GeneralAntillesHe's having them custom built07:01
moontigerwell i THOUGHT it was for the n810 and i SWEAR i read it that way on the page07:02
GeneralAntillesYou could probably pm or email him for details.07:02
moontigeri have a keyboard i want to use but it has a regular usb plug on it07:02
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moontigerdo you know how i can get in touch with him?07:03
GeneralAntillesI wonder what all the people thinking they want a Pandora think they're gonna get.07:03
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GeneralAntillesThey do realize it just ships with a emulator loader, right?07:03
GeneralAntillesKrakow, crashanddie?07:04
_Tomlooks cool07:05
GeneralAntillesLooks huge in that mockup at the top.07:05
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, nope, actually, he's in the south of the country, near the Slovakian border07:06
GeneralAntilles_Tom, sort of.07:06
GeneralAntilles_Tom, it can run Linux07:06
GeneralAntillesBut it doesn't ship with anything07:06
GeneralAntillesSo you'll have to put something like Debian on it.07:06
_Tomno wimax :(07:07
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GeneralAntillesNo comment.07:07
moontigerbef0rd, yes thanks i saw that but i really dont want to have a frankenstein cable for my keyboard07:07
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moontigerGeneralAntilles, does the keyboard have {}[] keys and a tab?07:09
bef0rdmoontiger, heh07:09
GeneralAntillesmoontiger, I don't know.07:10
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moontigeri would still love to meet the sicko who decided not to have those keys on the n810 keyboard07:10
GeneralAntillesWell, obviously, Nokia's cellphone designers.07:10
GeneralAntillesDo you know of any cellphones with them? ;)07:11
* moontiger sighs07:11
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GeneralAntillesStupid, maybe, but it does make sense.07:11
* moontiger goes to look for bluetooth keyboards .... again07:11
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, well, Krakow was close enough I guess, but from what I can gather he lives under the juris-dick-tion of Bielsko-Biala07:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, go visit him.07:11
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, that's a long way from London :P07:11
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, especially for a troll07:12
GeneralAntillesIt's nothing.07:12
GeneralAntillesEurope is small.07:12
GeneralAntillesYou want to talk long ways, talk about flying coast to coast in the US. :P07:12
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crashanddie1,016 mi – about 16 hours 17 mins07:13
GeneralAntillesDrive time?07:14
GeneralAntillesAwfully slow airplane.07:14
GeneralAntillesIt's a perfect weekend trip. :P07:14
crashanddieI'm not taking travelling sarcasm from someone who won't even come to the Maemo Summit just because he wants to stay in his room07:15
GeneralAntillesNow, now. :P07:16
darkblue_Bhmm sqlite3 appears to be running, too07:16
GeneralAntillesThat's 22 hours, anyway.07:16
GeneralAntillesSo your logic doesn't follow.07:16
darkblue_B"here's a chinook compile of sqlite3"... zip file07:17
darkblue_Bhow did they do that?07:17
crashanddieremarks:        trouble: abuse,bug reports and spam notification: - mailto:abuse@exatel.pl07:17
darkblue_Bit requires the pc dev environment?07:18
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crashanddieMy work is done07:19
GeneralAntillesGo forth and sleep!07:20
crashanddiedid you get my PM?07:20
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GeneralAntillesIt's the johnx07:21
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moontigerGeneralAntilles, does the apple bluetooth keyboard work with the n810?07:27
crashanddiemoontiger, yes07:27
GeneralAntillesIt's a standard HID device07:27
moontigerdo i have to re-compile the kernel or sacrifice my cat to get it working?07:28
moontigercan i remap the keys so i get a proper backspace key?07:28
GeneralAntillesIt's a standard HID device07:29
GeneralAntillesxmodmap can do whatever you need.07:29
moontigeris anybody using one with the n810?07:30
GeneralAntillesYes, lots of people07:30
GeneralAntilleslcuk is one.07:30
GeneralAntillesWhat do you mean by "proper" backspace, anyway?07:30
moontigerthey only have the "delete on the spot" type of delete key07:31
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GeneralAntillesThe delete key above the backslash key is just a regular backspace key.07:31
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* moontiger goes to look07:31
GeneralAntillesIgnore whatever it's labeled as07:31
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GeneralAntillesApple just uses different terminology.07:31
moontigerok so that does backspace ... can i remap something to do delete then?07:32
GeneralAntillesSure, you can remap whatever you want with xmodmap.07:33
moontigereven those weird keys along the top row?07:33
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GeneralAntillesEr, the function keys? :\07:33
moontigerthe thing top right next to f1207:34
GeneralAntillesShould show as F1307:34
GeneralAntillesfn-backspace will probably get you forward delete.07:34
moontigerawesome ... so its a good choice you would say?07:34
GeneralAntillesYes, it's an excellent keyboard.07:34
moontigerok schweet ... i'll get one ... thnx :)07:34
moontigeroh and they arent too big no?07:34
GeneralAntillesIt's laptop sized.07:35
moontigerthank you for the info :)07:35
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bef0rd :P08:36
GeneralAntillesMmm, purty.08:37
GeneralAntillesThink you could do a simplified one that'd work at ~40px?08:37
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Mikhodoes anybody know if esbox supports eclipse 3.4?08:39
MikhoI'd like to set the DISPLAY variable, but unfortunately the environment preferences window is bugged and shows nothing08:40
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bef0rdlet me give it a try08:47
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Mikhoall right, looks like esbox does not support eclipse 3.4, and it doesn't even recognize the lack of support08:59
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moontigerMikho, what u using eclipse for?09:18
Mikhosoftware development09:19
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moontigerMikho, what language?09:36
moontigerand you like eclipse?09:39
moontigerhave you tried the new sbox2 environment and anjuta?09:41
Mikhowell, eclipse is good, but sloooooow09:44
Mikhoi tried anjuta, i think, but there was something in it I didn't like09:45
moontigerthere is a really nice plug-in for C with maemo cross compiling ... its fast and personally i love it09:46
moontigerthe plug-in cross-compiles and makes a .deb package all in one09:47
bef0rdGeneralAntilles, ?09:47
moontigerbef0rd, wow thats really nice :)09:48
GeneralAntillesNot bad, I'd consider blanking the screen and maybe just outlining the keyboard.09:48
GeneralAntillesYou should consider making a set that people can use, though. :D09:48
moontigeryah thats nice :)09:48
bef0rdmoontiger, thanks heh09:53
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khertanHi !11:10
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GeneralAntillesKhertan1, what's with the -developers mail?11:26
qwerty12I think it was to do with "Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... !" and Dave Neary sending an email...11:27
qwerty12Which was a shame because I quite liked Khertan's email11:27
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GeneralAntillesMan, everybody needs to grow up.11:33
qwerty12Darius's shit talking is an incentive to get pissed off though.11:34
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aquatixgood morning all11:37
qwerty12~seen solmumaha11:38
infobotsolmumaha <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 5m 55s ago, saying: 'using usbcontrol?'.11:38
qwerty12hey aquatix11:39
qwerty12nm :)11:40
qwerty12Anyone know a quick and dirty way to recalculate the Installed-Size section in a deb's control file?11:40
aspectar x foo.deb data.tar.gz ; mkdir tmp ; tar -C tmp -xzf data.tar.gz ; du -sb tmp ; rm -rf rmp data.tar.gz11:44
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qwerty12Thanks aspect :)11:44
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mavhcmy diablo n810 is continuously rebooting, is there anything I can do except reflash? haven't done a backup in a while, stupid me11:49
qwerty12If you have bootmenu, you can chroot into it over usbnet and send the deb packages for klogd & sysklogd and install them and at least find out why it is rebooting11:50
mavhcI don't, but I might by next time, thanks11:51
qwerty12enabling the rd mode flag no-lifeguard-reset may help as well11:51
qwerty12it may allow your tablet to boot and you may be able to get ssh by wifi (if you have it installed). I messed up the x-server on my tablet, but it booted enough to let me ssh in.11:52
mavhcI did a shutdown -r 0, it rebooted, got to the desktop, rebooted again and got less and less into the boot sequence until I pulled the battery, weird11:53
qwerty12hi Stskeeps11:54
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qwerty12btw, I managed to get an successful install of gnome by disabling the watchdogs and using the original kernel. I set it up to the way I like it (including making gksu let me use matchbox keyboard etc) and I install nit-env-lxde. I love it until the panel messes up :P. I'll delete the config files for the panel and reboot >.<11:57
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* GeneralAntilles killed Deblet when it died during a chroot session.12:00
qwerty12xchat ftw12:00
StsN800gksu would work with hildon input method too?12:00
qwerty12StsN800: Btw, someone says that the hildon libraries are in debian repos already, or smthing like that12:00
qwerty12StsN800: gksu unless with a little tweaking doesn't work with any input method :P12:01
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StsN800qwerty12, yeah but is i-m-f there?12:01
qwerty12In the end, I took the lazy way out and set NOPASSWD in my sudoers and made gksu listen to that12:01
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StsN800i couldn't find it12:01
qwerty12StsN800: No idea, but having the hildon libraries will save a lot of time12:01
qwerty12I need to get nm-applet started and I can start working when I ssh into it12:01
StsN800GeneralAntilles, died on maemo chroot or?12:02
StsN800with qole etc scripts?12:02
GeneralAntillesI was debootstrapping an install for the Beagle12:02
GeneralAntilleschrooted in after it was done to build and install drivers for a USB wifi adaptor12:03
GeneralAntilleswifi connection died12:03
GeneralAntillesxfce4 toolbar went away12:03
GeneralAntillestapped the battery out12:03
GeneralAntillesit wont boot12:03
GeneralAntillesprobably has something to do with symlinking prco12:03
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: probably has something to do with symlinking proc12:03
furnsiea few weeks ago I tried to install scratchbox on my ubuntu box, I dont know what problem I had, but I know there was something wrong. I'm looking at it again now - trying to work out whats wrong with it.. and when I run 'scratchbox' it says 'ERROR: You dont; have a Scratchbox user account!'. How can I fix that?12:03
GeneralAntillesNow how can I mount ext3 in Maemo to fix it. . . .
qwerty12insmod mbcache and jbd first.12:04
StsN800xfce toolbar is normal to disappear if its nit-env-stskeeps:P12:04
GeneralAntillesaaah, had mbcache12:04
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* qwerty12 uses modprobe thanks to jott so all I do is modprobe ext3 and it's done12:04
GeneralAntillesStsN800, how do you get it back?12:04
* GeneralAntilles is such a Mactard12:05
GeneralAntillesHrm, still doesn't want to mount.12:05
StsN800GeneralAntilles, right or stylus hol12:05
GeneralAntillesI love how verbose mount is. . . .12:05
qwerty12paste the last few messages for dmesg12:05
StsN800d ondesktop brings up menu12:05
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: install mount.full from extras or the dev repo somewhere, it's much better12:05
StsN800but nit-env-stskeeps is bound to be ditched for lxde soon12:06
furnsiehow can I uninstall scratchbox?12:06
GeneralAntillesHrm, no wonder12:07
GeneralAntillesfsck is going to town on it12:07
StsN800ext2 or ext3?12:08
GeneralAntillesThis SD card is probably failing12:08
GeneralAntillesI'm getting tons of fs issues. . . .12:08
GeneralAntillesStsN800, you still offer a tarball install?12:09
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StsN800i do a fsck -y on boot in deblet before console appears. thats prolly why it doesn't look like it boots12:09
qwerty12StsN800: Any idea why network manager disconnects my connection when I ssh into it?12:10
StsN800GeneralAntilles,  no, due to potential legal issues12:10
* GeneralAntilles doesn't want to have to run through the installer again. . . . 12:10
StsN800GeneralAntilles, i plan to support debootstrapping from a .tar.gz though12:11
StsN800but apt packages are more difficult12:11
GeneralAntillesMan this is all such a pain in the ass.12:11
GeneralAntillesI just want either A. Working goddamn Bluetooth networking, B. Working goddamn USB wifi drivers, or C. Working goddamn USBNet12:11
StsN800hehe. at least it isn't the f12:11
GeneralAntillesApparently I'm not allowed to have any of the above . . . .12:12
trenkazap: I'll ask Ed to answer you, since I'm not polite enough12:12
StsN800GeneralAntilles, on beagle?12:12
GeneralAntillesI may just have to man up and try booting this thing on the Ubuntu LiveCD I've got again.12:12
GeneralAntillesThe Beagle would be really awesome if I could get networking going. . . .12:14
zaptrenka: ?12:14
* GeneralAntilles briefly contemplates USBNet from the Wii.12:14
StsN800GeneralAntilles, wasn't there a usb otg problem on beagle boards?12:15
StsN800or am i mistaken12:15
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GeneralAntillesWell, there's a silicon issue with the USB host port.12:15
GeneralAntillesSo they've omitted it.12:16
GeneralAntillesBut OTG works fine12:16
GeneralAntillesI was just having trouble with the kernel that ships with the Ångstrom demo12:16
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GeneralAntillesDowngraded to the the reference/testing kernel and it works fine now.12:16
trenkazap: it's better for me to keep silent for the moment since I'm a bit angre12:16
Stskeepsand you were trying g_ether with deblet or something?12:17
GeneralAntillesTried USBNet with the Ångstrom demo image12:17
GeneralAntillesThe Beagle was more than willing to network12:17
GeneralAntillesBut I haven't managed to beat my computer into the same.12:17
zaptrenka: I tried not to irritate you, but it seems I haven't succeeded12:17
GeneralAntillesand apparently nobody on the planet uses USBNet with Leopard.12:18
StsN800qwerty12, saw the dsp headers are out?12:19
qwerty12StsN800: Yeah, read that email12:20
qwerty12Seeing as they aren't *really* out; it's easier just jacking stuff from maemo still12:20
StsN800that's fabolous12:20
StsN800well for recompiling osso-esd..12:20
qwerty12I don't get why TI/Nokia are so anal over the dsp.12:21
trenkazap: anyway, I'll do my best to make you happy and keeping the 'build' symlink make sence12:21
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StsN800GeneralAntilles, i loathe i have to reboot into ubuntu to usbnet too:P12:23
GeneralAntillesI'm trying not the think about what a pain it's going to be to get the wifi going.12:24
qwerty12StsN800: Which kernel version are you using in Ubuntu?12:24
GeneralAntillesAt least the damn thing has a serial console.12:24
StsN800qwerty12, no clue but its the.xp rndis problem i dislike12:25
StsN800there is always g_serial which i should add to deblet..12:25
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qwerty12StsN800: Ah.  I'm using 2.6.24-21-generic and I swear my usbnet in ubuntu doesn't work anymore :/12:25
qwerty12StsN800: You should, I added it in initfs and it just keeps on saving my ass12:26
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StsN800im thinking to make holding home key or something under boot would activate a menu to choose g_serial, g_ether, g_file_storage etc12:28
qwerty12g_file_storage is only really useful if you want the user to be able to mount their memory card, and considering that it would be in use during deblet boot...12:29
StsN800cant it export a mounted fs too?12:29
AStormit can't12:30
qwerty12Hmm, yes it can, I didn't have much success exporting mtdblock4 over usb though...12:30
qwerty12oh, my bad.12:30
AStormno, it cannot export a mounted fs12:30
AStormit exports a block device12:30
AStormuse samba for exporting :>12:31
AStorm(but someone has to port it first)12:31
StsN800that would be cool thi12:31
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khertanHi everyone !12:38
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GeneralAntillesHi, khertan.12:38
GeneralAntillesDon't tell me you're gonna wimp out on -developers just like that. :P12:38
khertanyep i did it12:38
GeneralAntilleskhertan, khertan, khertan . . .12:39
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GeneralAntillesyou disappoint me. :P12:39
khertani prefer don't waste my time, and use it to make better software12:40
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khertanwhen something borring me ... i go out ...12:41
khertanwhat do you think of it ?12:42
GeneralAntillesI think I can't read French. :P12:43
GeneralAntillesLooks good12:43
GeneralAntillesYou gonna use stock icons, though?12:43
StsN800khertan, heh, thats my attitude when i end in fights with debian-legal or other things.. i just go code cos i want to make a good free product instead of fighting over interpretations12:43
khertanGeneralAntilles: many user don't like the look of the stock icons ....12:43
khertanStsN800: ;)12:44
GeneralAntilleskhertan, I'm a stickler for complying with a platform's look and feel.12:44
khertanGeneralAntilles: yep me too :)12:44
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khertanGeneralAntilles: this is why there is a pref 'override_theme'12:45
khertanif you uncheck it ... it come back to the default stock icons :)12:45
GeneralAntillesSounds acceptable12:46
GeneralAntillesStill, I'd have the default the other way around. ;)12:46
khertanyep i know ...12:46
khertanbut i think we can't educate users ...12:46
khertanand as many found the OMWeather theme wonderfull ...12:47
khertanwhich doesn't respect any maemo ui design ...12:47
khertani think i should make it default for all users ... and purist like us can deactivate it12:47
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khertanusers now want something that is beautifull ... and if they haven't this impression while the 30 first seconds they use an application, they close it ...12:48
khertani found this attitude stupid, but this the way that many users today do12:49
khertanso ... :)12:49
khertani m trying to make everybody happy  :)12:50
GeneralAntillesI'm badly inclined towards only making people I don't hate happy. :D12:50
khertanok minus some exception :)12:51
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GeneralAntillesI'm interested to see what sort of a software boom there'll be after the Summit.13:01
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furnsieI did an apt-get remove scratchbox-core, and then ran the script, and it failed with the error  Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. How can I fix this? /scratchbox/compilers/ doesnt even exist.13:06
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Very interesting, but it sounds like we would have to recompile most of the programs on the debian repo?13:09
Stskeepsthought this was a generic wrapper13:09
furnsieis there a more correct way to uninstall scratchbox rather than deleting /scratchbox and removing scratchbox-core? I really want to get this working, but Im hitting dead ends each step of the way..13:09
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Stskeepsqwerty12: it could be interesting with a osk that uses him and doesnt show its own kbd13:13
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Stskeepsso you dont have to hildonize for h-im13:14
JaffaGeneralAntilles: got USB networking working between my laptop and N810 for mediaserv demos at the summit13:14
Stskeepsqwerty12: hildonizing matchbox-keyboard:>13:15
Stskeeps using that13:15
qwerty12Stskeeps: Matchbox keyboard is ugly :P. I'd only rather use it when I need ctrl buttons etc13:15
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Stskeepsqwerty12: the idea is to remove mbk layout totally so it just pops up h-im instead13:16
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furnsieare the scripts in /scratchbox/sbin not +x for a reason?13:16
Stskeepsqwerty12: enabling normal apps to have h-im13:18
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muuseems free42 (calculator) have the wrong key(s) position...13:18
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, if only I had a Linux machine handy.13:19
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Stskeepsqwerty12: have i lost you or you don't see the potential of osk in all non-hildon apps:)13:21
qwerty12Stskeeps: I just dunno what to say + I'm busy on the rott port :)13:22
Stskeepsi will hack on it later13:22
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AddisonGreetings everyone!  :)13:29
zhaozhouAddison, Heya!13:29
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AddisonHey, my apologies for such an off topic discussion.  But anyone here willing to help me stick in a graphics card for my stupid computer?13:30
zhaozhouWhat type of card is it?13:31
AddisonI only came here because all of you are nerds.  Thought I might find a friendly one that can help me out.  *lol*13:31
zhaozhouHaha, i probably could. :-)13:31
AddisonIt's a Radeon zhazhou.13:31
zhaozhouA PCI-E, right?13:31
AddisonDamn, that's a weird name you have their.  Took me 6 tries just to type it!  :)13:31
zhaozhouYou should use tab-completion. :-)13:32
AddisonYou know what zhaozhou, I'm not sure.  I have the card and the CD, but there's nothing on it that says what it really is.13:32
zhaozhouYou should check that before you buy em. Nowerdays, most cards are PCE-E 16x, but if you buy one that's not compatible with your motherboard, you wont be able to use it.13:33
AddisonThe only thing I see that is distinguishable (God, I can't spell) is at the bottom of the CD.... It says "ATI015-x"13:34
AddisonI tried to Google it and came up with squadoosh!13:34
zhaozhouDoes'nt say me anything, actually. :-)13:34
zhaozhouWhats the card model?13:35
AddisonDo clue.  Where can I find that out?  I've only got the CD and card with me.13:35
AddisonNo = Do.  Stupid brain.  :(13:35
zhaozhouShould be printed on the card, i think.13:36
AddisonI stuck the graphic's card in my computer and was greeted with unrelenting, obessive beeping from hell.  That's about the best I can tell you.13:36
AddisonOkay, I've got the card on my lap.13:36
AddisonWhere do I look?  I've checked the whole thing....  There's nothing really there to look at.13:37
zhaozhouTHen you could check if there is some type of input on the side, should be 4pins in a square13:37
AddisonYep, I've got that.13:37
zhaozhouAddison, Right, that's a power input, the card wont start without separate power13:38
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zhaozhouAddison, On your power supply you should have one of those13:38
zhaozhouAddison, Most probably sais 'PCI-E' on the cable13:38
AddisonOh Duh!  That's why my computer was going into old maid in constant menapause.  The card had no juice to it.13:39
zhaozhouExactly. :D13:39
zhaozhouAddison, Just to be sure, there is only one of those 4pins powerinputs, right?13:39
AddisonOkay, so the four pins which is on my right side, what goes into it?13:39
AddisonYeah, just one.13:40
zhaozhouAddison, You should, as i said, have one of those going out of your power supply13:40
AddisonOh shit, you lost me.  The card is on my lap right now.  My Emachine piece of fluffy turd that's 6 years old is opened though.13:42
AddisonI don't get the whole power supply thing.13:42
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zhaozhou6 years old, huh, lets hope it has one of these then.13:42
zhaozhouI don't know if it's the right word, but i think it's called the power supply, right?13:43
AddisonHey, I think I see where you're coming from.  I've got a couple of wires just hanging out in the breeze with plastic crap attached to them.  The wires are yellow, black, black, and red.13:44
zhaozhouHaha, yeah, the power supply is the thing those are coming out of. :-)13:44
zhaozhouThat's the exact thing you want, but they should be in a square.13:45
AddisonDear lord, I should be shot just on general principle.  *lol*13:45
AddisonIs it okay if I connect them now?  I don't want to die a horrible, searing death.   :)13:45
zhaozhouIf you found one that fits, just plug it in, it cant fail. :-)13:46
AddisonOkay, it's plugged in.13:46
zhaozhou <- middle right, square one, that's the one you want. :-)13:47
AddisonThe card is still outside my delapidated (again, I can't spell) computer.13:47
zhaozhouJust plug it in the PCI-E port, then try booting the computer13:48
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zhaozhoulbreakout - best. game. ever.13:51
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AddisonHey, sorry for the long pause, Zhao...  But my computer just squibbed on me.13:55
AddisonAfter I plugged in the power supply thingie, my computer crashed within 30 seconds.13:56
AddisonHey zhaozou, care to take this to a private chat since it's off topic here at this forum?13:58
zhaozhouSure thing. :-)13:59
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GeneralAntilleslol . . . the BBC, apparently, thinks Florida is run by Jesus.14:33
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lcukKhertan1, there is something wrong when one of our prolific developers hands in the towel, i hope its only the ML you are removing self from14:35
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's just -developers.14:35
GeneralAntillesmavhc, the reporter kept calling him "Christ"14:35
lcukGeneralAntilles, thats just ingrained spelling cockup14:36
lcukhave we heard from khertan himself that its just ml?14:36
GeneralAntillesI related news, Cuba is fucked.14:36
GeneralAntilleslcuk, check the scrollback.14:36
lcuki dont have one - i only logged in a few minutes ago14:36
GeneralAntillesJust over an hour ago14:36
infoboti guess maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at
GeneralAntilles~irc-logs is
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay14:37
lcukno need GeneralAntilles :) your word is good enough14:37
lcukyou have a commanding voice of reason (sometimes :P)14:37
lcukanything else happened whilst i was off?  any new releases?  streakers runnin through the chan? etc14:38
GeneralAntillesNothing interesting14:39
* GeneralAntilles bought a giant steak for dinner tonight.14:39
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lcuki hope that doesnt attract the devil things14:39
GeneralAntillesI'm too far inland here. :D14:40
lbtmmm Steak and noodles14:40
GeneralAntillesPan-seared ribeye.14:40
lcukregarding your beagle, how warm does it get? does it stay at ambient14:40
GeneralAntillesGotta disconnect the smoke alarm. . . .14:40
lbtfry some egg noodles in the steak juices14:40
lbtyep Ribeye is best14:40
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lcukmornin lbt14:40
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I don't think the powersaving is as aggressive as it could be with the current kernel.14:40
lbtjust been cooking the duck...14:40
lcukits mornin in this house :P i cant smell the bacon14:40
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GeneralAntillesIt's running at 500MHz, so 100MHz under max14:41
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lcukim thinking in ragard to a box14:41
lbtvery foody today14:41
GeneralAntillesSitting in u-boot (without any powersaving at all) it's hot, but not too-hot-to-touch14:41
GeneralAntillesA little hotter than the back of your N810 might get when it's really under load.14:41
lcukdo you cook duck often lbt, or is this an experiment?14:41
lbtdoes the beagle have wifi?14:41
GeneralAntillesBooted into something it's just a little warm14:41
lcukmy 810 can become quite warm14:41
GeneralAntilleslbt, nope.14:41
lbtwhenever it's half prce at sainsburys14:41
GeneralAntillesThe idea was to let the user provide all the extra stuff14:42
GeneralAntillesand keep the board itself as cheap, small, and simple as possible.14:42
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lbtthere are thumbnail usb wifis though14:42
lbtI wanted a pictureframe14:42
lbta 19" one14:42
lcukjust grab a proper wifi picture frame and hack linux onto it - it hsould have everything needed14:42
GeneralAntillesUSBNet is kinda what you're likely to use out-of-the-box.14:43
lbtnot seen any reliably hackable ones14:43
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lcuki suppose its knowledge of whats in use14:43
aquatixlbt: old laptop14:43
lcuki bet theres a group of hackers sat in some random irc channel discussing dinner and frames14:44
aquatixhmmm, dinner14:44
* aquatix oggles clock14:44
aquatixlunch time :/14:44
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I built this instead of a real case. :P
lbta 19" lcd (duck) monitor will fit a beagle inside14:44
lcukOI, put your clock away, this is a family channel14:44
GeneralAntilleslbt, I tossed the idea of hacking the Beagle into one of my Samsung LCDs for kicks.14:45
GeneralAntillesBut Samsung ruined the idea by actually having a really small LCD all-in-one.14:45
lcukGeneralAntilles, that will do you for a while - its just a way to stop accidental breakage14:45
GeneralAntillesFreak people out14:45
lcukyer gen, thats a nice monitor14:45
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I mostly just want to keep the cat from playing with it.14:45
lcukbut the cat wants to run linux14:46
GeneralAntillesI'll build a real case whenever I go visit home and my dad's tools. ;)14:46
GeneralAntillesShe wants to play with the puppy.14:46
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lbtmmm puppies14:46
lcukdo you have a pair of puppies?14:46
GeneralAntillesNah, just one.14:46
lbtwe do14:46
GeneralAntillesCats and puppies14:47
* lcuk is a cat person14:47
GeneralAntillesIt's funny, my cat used to just love dogs.14:47
lcukbeen bitten and jumped on by too many dogs for me to consider having any14:47
GeneralAntillesWe had a golden retriever that would clean all the cats14:47
* lbt has 5^H 4^H 3 cats14:47
GeneralAntillesso you'd go down to pet a cat and get your hand covered in dog slobber.14:47
GeneralAntillesThen the golden died and we ended up with two lapdogs14:47
GeneralAntillesThe cat doesn't like dogs anymore.14:47
lcuklbt - did you have 5 to begin with? or kittens that are going to other homes?14:47
lbt5, then they got older...14:48
lcuklapdogs, is that like going from a desktop computer to a laptop?14:48
lbthad Minka for 19 years14:48
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lbtFYI :
GeneralAntillesThese evil things:
lcukat my mums I grew up with a georgeous bermese - he had a similar life14:49
lbtGeneralAntilles: there's a cat like that near here...14:49
GeneralAntillesA cat that's a dog?14:49
lbtit's a Blofeld cat14:50
lbt(sp? - the 007 bad guy)14:50
lcukNo mr Lbt, I expect you to spell check14:51
lcuklbt, do you just lurk in /. or are you active?14:53
lbtfrontpage only most of the time14:53
GeneralAntilleslcuk's "that Windows guy" on /. :P14:54
lcuklol, im not actually :P14:54
lcuki dont like the changes they made to logged out standard comments list14:54
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AddisonHey GA, why don't you stop trying to be everyone's father and just be a nice guy for a moment?14:55
GeneralAntillesAddison, if you're going to continue to troll in here without provocation, then I'm just going to ban you.14:56
GeneralAntillesConsider this your first of 2 warnings. :)14:56
AddisonSorry, personal grief.  GA upsets me with his constant, unrelenting comments from everywhere.  :)14:56
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lcukaddison, if you have seen GAs desktop - he has 5 monitors and 2 nits, each of them a different site or chan and he types on each of them and sometimes gets mixed up14:57
lcukits not his fault really :D14:57
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AddisonWow, 5 monitors and 2 nits?  That's so hard core!  What a cool person he must be!  He must be having sex right now!!!!  *lol*15:00
lcukhe is - theres a special hole in his beagleboard box just for the purpose :D15:00
lbtI have 7 monitors, 4 pcs, 3 servers, 4 pdas15:01
aquatixthe goggles! they do nothing!15:01
lbtjust imagine the gang bang15:01
AddisonWhat's a beagleboard?  Sorry, just a little slow witted on my end.15:01
lbtit's a puppy in a box15:01
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aquatixaw, the poor animal is getting probed15:02
lcukhey GeneralAntilles, you have it hooked up with proper video out now?15:02
aquatixtalking about wasted space: :)15:02
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, have you slept?15:02
lbtaquatix: you have no clue about cooling do you?15:03
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, nah, not yet.15:03
lcukmornin crashanddie15:03
crashanddiehey lcuk15:04
aquatixlbt: like a closed cardboard box will not heat up inside :)15:04
aquatixnot sure how much heat that board generates though15:04
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, so, my sleeping pattern is fucked up, I'm drifting about 5 hours east, and you're doing the same?15:04
lbthe's not installed the puppy yet15:04
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lbt(it's evaporative cooling from puppy slobber)15:04
aquatixlbt: :)15:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, I'm bad, just getting up for class a few hours at a time in the morning. :\15:05
lbthence 'beagleboard'15:05
lcukas long as he doesnt leave it in the car on a sunny day i tihnk it will be ok15:05
lcuktheres enough airholes in the box15:05
AddisonSo you don't actually have a job then, is that correct GA?15:05
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GeneralAntillesaquatix, the whole thing draws about 2W under extreme load.15:06
aquatixyeah, i remembered something like that15:06
aquatixit's a nice setup you have15:06
aquatixjust struck me as funny that such a small board was put in a rather `large' box :)15:06
GeneralAntillesaquatix, didn't have anything smaller handy. :D15:06
GeneralAntillesI could fit about 6 of those boards in there15:07
qwerty12_N800all this cool beagleboard stuff is making me hungry for the N900 :)15:07
aquatixooh, beowolf cluster!15:07
GeneralAntillesWell, I guess there's the box it came in, but I didn't feel like chopping that up.15:07
GeneralAntillesAddison, don't push your luck.15:07
AddisonHey GA, go fuck yourself!  You're a dick, just live up to it.  Trust me, I won't come back here.  I personally could care less.15:08
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GeneralAntillesI don't know which of his relatives I raped and murdered, but DAMN.15:09
* qwerty12_N800 has 1337 spam in my gmail. :blink:15:09
lcuki have 304315:10
lcuksince yesterday :P15:10
qwerty12_N800my number is better :p15:10
* lcuk sends you some so you aren't 1337 anymore15:11
qwerty12_N800~curse dpkg15:12
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg !15:12
lcukill bbl folks15:12
crashanddieThis is actually pretty good:
GeneralAntillesMIPS, eh?15:15
qwerty12_N800Pretty dated, usb 1.1?15:15
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m-c-hi wwhat is a good reeader for text files oon maemo?  is it possible to removee the formattting bar, in Notes, for example??15:17
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GeneralAntillesWhat qwerty12_N800 said.15:18
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GeneralAntillesHello, dneary.15:21
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, it's too bad there are nearly no alternative projects for the Beagle Board15:22
GeneralAntillesAlternative hardware or alternative software projects?15:22
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crashanddieand hardware too I guess15:22
GeneralAntillesBeagle aint got a Maemo equivalent? ;)15:23
m-c-good luck at that sumit later thiis month == looks impressive15:23
crashanddieI mean, excepted the GNU Radio thing, there's NIL to do15:23
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GeneralAntillesOther than the same stuff you could do with a slightly larger and more power hungry x86 board.15:24
crashanddie"Emma télé est allumée, Emma tais toi"15:24
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, yeah, but that's the whole point, I want to be hacking, I want to be doing crazy stuff... Not the same stuff my laptop can handle :P15:24
GeneralAntillesWell, find small places to stick it. :P15:24
GeneralAntillesA carputer project is high on my list.15:25
crashanddieyeah, I hear ya15:25
GeneralAntillesI kinda like Benson's backback personal-network server idea.15:25
m-c-mobile ftp and web server?15:25
GeneralAntillesIf I actually carried a backpack15:25
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GeneralAntillesOr didn't already have all of that provided by my pocket personal-network. . . .15:26
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, there's no such thing as "outdated"15:26
GeneralAntillesBut, you're right, it's less revolutionary than it is evolutionary.15:26
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: usb 1.1 is still slow as shit15:26
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, so what, it runs a 100Mhz CPU lol15:26
crashanddieit's not meant for speed15:27
GeneralAntillesI think it signifies interesting things for the future of high-end ARM CPUs.15:27
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: true :p15:27
yacoobeven usb 2.0 is slow15:27
* GeneralAntilles has some hopes for breaking the stranglehold x86 has on the market.15:27
crashanddiebut those expansion ports are just insane... Have you seen the dev board you just glue on it? Now there's some hacking !15:27
GeneralAntillesLots and lots of buses to play with.15:27
jottGeneralAntilles: does it run windows? :P15:27
crashanddiejott, actually, yeah, it can15:28
GeneralAntillesjott, I bet you could finagle CE on there. ;)15:28
jottce != "windows" :P15:28
GeneralAntillesOr the old and tired answer "3.11"15:28
GeneralAntillesActually, I bet the Beagle could handle 9815:28
GeneralAntillesdneary, fix this:
aquatixbut but, does it run linux?15:29
crashanddiecouldn't the beagle board emulate a x86 instruction set?15:29
* aquatix ducks15:29
m-c-so many different operating sy15:29
jottstill, most of the x86 stranglehold is due to microsoft.. :/15:29
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, sure, same way the tablets do.15:29
GeneralAntillesDOSBox or somesuch15:29
m-c-systems all sayingnwindows15:29
crashanddieI'm pleased, no one yelled "OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad?"15:30
yacoobjott, sad thing is, there's no other way to fight it than other hegemony :D15:31
qwerty12_N800OMG Winblows on the NIT, ARE YOU mad?15:31
yacoob(main disadvantage of Linux on desktop: there's >1 way to do it :)15:31
* GeneralAntilles throws rotten eggs at crashanddie.15:31
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, I will slap you in the face for that15:31
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qwerty12_N800crashanddie: sure15:31
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, our troll could be using wifi, some wifi he hacked? The info I found doesn't add up.15:32
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* GeneralAntilles suddenly feels like he's in the trailer for the next big spy action flick.15:33
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jottwill the beagleboard save the world?! [insert dramatic music]15:34
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, we know he's in southern Poland, we have a huge list of activity (time and IP), we can always contact his ISP to have him shut up15:34
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GeneralAntillesNah, that's no fun15:35
jottwhy would any isp care?15:35
GeneralAntillesThe internet wouldn't be the internet without people like Darius.15:35
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crashanddiejott, trolls are considered abuse, and given enough complaints, you will see your connection canceled15:36
infobotcrashanddie meant: jott, trolls are considered abuse, and given enough complaints, you will see your connection cancelled15:36
jotthuh? trolls abuse?!15:36
jottyou are kidding ...15:36
crashanddieno I'm not15:36
jottany significant case in poland to prove that?!15:37
crashanddiein poland?15:37
crashanddieErhm, no15:37
jottwould have gained big media attention.15:37
crashanddieBut I think I have a couple in France15:37
jottfrance is sick for that matter :)15:37
crashanddieagreed, they were just banned from newsgroups, the ISP cut their access to any newsgroup15:37
JaffaInteresting bit at the end of pvanhoof's latest post: "We'll most likely use this on the Maemo platform for thumbnailing ourselves".15:38
JaffaJust for the tracker-based search or better media player etc. Hmm?15:38
* pvanhoof innocent15:38
crashanddie"thumbnailing", is that slang for masturbation?15:38
qwerty12_N800only if your knob is tiny15:39
Jaffapvanhoof: interesting stuff :)15:39
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800 would know all about that. :D15:39
pvanhoofcrashanddie, :)15:39
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, oh come on, don't pick on the kid, he's only 6 years younger than you15:40
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: lol, I'm working with big guns here, go back to doing the beagleboard :p :D15:40
GeneralAntilles"As I see, some developers at Maemo are overcharged with bad energy and devil's frustration , so just let me live in peace, far from your virtual problems and your off-topics spamming my mailbox."15:40
GeneralAntillesI'm gonna have to remember that one.15:40
GeneralAntilles"bad energy and devil's frustration"15:41
GeneralAntillesWho wants to put together a screenplay for a musical based on the rants of Darius Jack?15:41
GeneralAntillesThis last one has already got pretty good timing.15:42
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crashanddie"[developers] driven by egoistic Self EGO killing Maemo community project"15:43
jottotoh, he is right with that. i don't get all this extreme whining about him....15:43
JaffaGiven he's requesting to be removed, can I put his email address into the "unsubscribe over the web" box on the mailing list homepage?15:43
crashanddielist-master is supposed to take care of that15:44
JaffaBah. He'd still get a confirmation email.15:44
Jaffacrashanddie: listmaster should just say "go here and enter your email addresS"15:44
qwerty12_N800who's up for a spot of hacking, old chaps?15:44
* crashanddie raises hand15:44
GeneralAntillesHe's already said he's done with the list once15:45
GeneralAntillesWe'll see how long this one sticks.15:45
crashanddieJaffa, we're going to see a flying shit explode over your head, it shows your IP address to him? He's going to go mental, trust me15:45
chmacI've just reflashed my N810, installed some ssh keys today, changed the hostname, installed pidgin, set up some accounts, etc15:45
chmacNow I reboot, and the blue slider goes to 100%, then nothing15:45
crashanddieHe says that, but he doesn't mean it, he hopes we're going to feel guilty, and say "oooh, nooo, Darius, stay"15:46
chmacI have enabled the lock code15:46
chmacIs there anything I can do to debug?15:46
GeneralAntillesjott, you used up all your energy on the election procedures? :P ;)15:46
crashanddiebtw, how the fuck do I know what my lock code is on the device?15:46
GeneralAntilles12345 by default15:46
jottGeneralAntilles: nah, i just don't care about a troll like him...15:47
GeneralAntillesif you changed it, it's somewhere on the config partition.15:47
crashanddienha it's cool, cheers15:47
* Jaffa sends him a private email with a direct link which submits the 'unsubscribe me from this list' form15:47
qwerty12_N800Jaffa: tiny url it too15:48
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qwerty12_N800crashanddie: easy way to get lockcode: else you can cat /dev/mtd1ro and get to searching15:49
crashanddiehow is the security on the lock, btw?15:50
jottand things like harassing and insulting him is just stupid and childish...15:50
crashanddieI never used it15:50
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: not much. as you just saw, it's easy to get the code15:50
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crashanddieqwerty12_N800, yeah, but that means you need access to the device, right?15:51
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, which, if locked, is a bit hard15:51
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: someone can also flash a preprepared image of bootmenu and delete /sbin/devlock-blocker15:52
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crashanddiehmm, ok15:52
chmacDoes anyone know how to debug a tablet that won't boot?15:53
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crashanddiechmac, did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?15:53
chmaccrashanddie: I enabled red pill mode then upgraded everything "update all"15:54
GeneralAntilleslol. . . .15:54
crashanddiechmac, through the app manager or apt?15:54
GeneralAntillesNice one.15:54
chmaccrashanddie: the app manager15:54
crashanddieoh shit, no diff15:54
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crashanddiechmac, reflash15:54
GeneralAntillesWhat on earth drove you to do that?15:54
chmacGeneralAntilles: lol15:55
GeneralAntillesI need to find that guide and kill it with fire.15:55
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I did a sudo gainroot; apt-get upgrade -f15:55
chmacIs there a specific update that causes the issue?15:55
chmacOr how do I keep the tablet up to date after I reflash it again?15:55
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, Red Pill in Application manager exposes some magic packages which seem DESIGNED to break the system.15:55
crashanddiechmac, don't enable rep pill mode15:55
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GeneralAntillesRed Pill is never the answer.15:55
infobotcrashanddie meant: chmac, don't enable red pill mode15:55
chmacI like the infobot :)15:56
GeneralAntillesThat's like the sledgehammer of solutions.15:56
chmacGeneralAntilles: Better to use apt-get?15:56
GeneralAntilles90% of the time it's way too much for the job15:56
crashanddieI never saw the point of using red pill btw15:56
GeneralAntillesthe 10% of the time it's actually appropriate, things are coming down anyway. ;)15:56
chmacI wanted to install avahi, which wasn't showing up without it15:56
crashanddieI prefer using apt-* by far15:56
GeneralAntilleschmac, no, just update through the application manager.15:56
GeneralAntillesAnything that doesn't show in application manager you install through apt-get15:57
chmacOk :)15:57
GeneralAntillesHonestly you're better off reflashing at this point.15:57
crashanddiechmac, if you're running diablo, you'll get a warning about updates anyway15:57
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chmacOk, lesson learned15:58
Mikhooh, so red pill is a bad idea?15:59
chmacI borked it a few weeks back and have finally just gotten round to reinstalling everything15:59
GeneralAntillesMikho, yes.15:59
crashanddiechmac, I did it too at some point15:59
Mikhogood thing I decided to look at the scrollback this time15:59
GeneralAntillesMikho, Red Pill is only to be used in small doses if you know exactly what you're doing. ;)15:59
crashanddieBut sadly, because it's such a cool thing, with matrix and all16:00
GeneralAntilleslots of people who don't understand what it does like to recommend it as some sort of magical fix-all.16:00
Mikhohmm, I wonder if it was possible to install xterm in n770 without the pill...16:00
crashanddiebtw, talking about matrix, is there a decent matrix-scrolling-characters app for Maemo?16:01
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, we seriously don't have the LCD bandwidth16:01
GeneralAntillesOnly way that'd work is if you convince lcuk to do it.16:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, we can play video, surely we could do that?16:01
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GeneralAntillesYes, it CAN be done.16:02
lcukcrashanddie, videos are YUV16:02
GeneralAntillesBut liqbase is the only piece of technology with the ability to do it.16:02
lcukgamma leaking portal technology16:02
GeneralAntillesIt'd make a pretty awesome demo module.16:02
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lcukwhy do you think i start with stars gen?16:03
chmacOk, now to reinstall all over again. At least it'll be fresh in my mind! :)16:03
lcuki was gonna add sinus scrolling text but i thought it was a bit retro16:03
jottlcuk: plasmas! rotating tori! copperbars! :)16:04
crashanddieI'm thinking about selling my n810 btw16:04
teprrrhi, anyone knows how can I link my app against libqt4's debug libs instead of the normal ones? apparently I can't just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the correct libpath as the qt4 debug libs are named like the normal ones, but there's ".debug" appended to them16:04
chmacIs it possible to remotely control the tablet by the likes of vnc?16:04
chmacSo I don't have to keep switching to that screen :)16:04
lcukjott, when i rebuilt my colorcube to work at arbitary dimensions (instead of just 256^2) i thought instantly of plasma16:04
Jaffachmac: Yes. Using VNC :)16:04
jottteprrr: you don't need to do an extra build16:05
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, in preparation for?16:05
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, getting a WE16:05
jottteprrr: just install the debug packages and gdb etc. will use them16:05
qwerty12_N800wimax editon?16:05
GeneralAntillesWhich you're planning to use, where, exactly?16:06
crashanddieMy camera's dead, the inbuilt mic seems to only work sometimes16:06
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: is wimax gonna be any good in london?16:06
chmacJaffa: Is VNC server available for maemo?16:06
crashanddieby 2012, prolly16:06
jottwimax != wimax.16:06
lcukchmac, yes16:06
lcukand client16:06
crashanddieif anyone is going to launch a wimax service in the UK, it has to be for the Ogames, or never16:07
teprrrjott, I can't force it to use them if not running inside gdb? though even if I'm running inside the gdb, I can't do flush painting.. or isn't Xephyr X11 after all?16:07
lcukcrashanddie, i believe we have it in manchester or at least trials16:07
crashanddieyeah, but the first big application will be the games, that's just obvious16:07
GeneralAntillesAs jott says, WiMAX != WiMAX16:07
lcukfrom pipex16:07
crashanddieanyone with a little bit of brains can figure that out16:07
lcukin somerfield stores (!?)16:07
GeneralAntillesFirstly, is it 2.5GHz?16:08
GeneralAntillesIf not, no dice.16:08
crashanddiewell, I don't really care about WiMAX16:08
crashanddieI just want the camera to work16:08
furnsieoops :)16:08
chmaclcuk: Where is vnc server? I don't see it for diablo in
lcukfurnsie, you are meant to type "beam me up"16:08
GeneralAntilleschmac, google x11vnc maemo16:08
GeneralAntillesIt's not in a repo for some reason.16:09
lcukno maintainer16:09
chmacGeneralAntilles: Ok, thanks16:09
lcukor not an active one16:09
GeneralAntillesSomebody should pick it up and push it to Extras.16:09
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, bought it from ebay16:09
lcuksend it back to ebay then :D16:09
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, all the paperwork is in France, can't be arsed to send it off16:09
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GeneralAntillesI like lcuk's plan.16:10
jottteprrr: what are you trying to do? the .debug libs are just unstripped versions of the original with extra debug symbols.16:10
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: I'm already  using the latest x11vnc but it's packaged dirty :/16:10
GeneralAntillesIs that like riddin' dirty?16:10
lcukwhat do i use to list the available exports inside my app, and can i call them from within my running program dynamically16:11
jottteprrr: there should be no difference in behaviour between the two versions.16:11
crashanddielcuk, environment variables?16:11
lcukno, jumppoints16:11
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: Not quite :p. I guess I could package a "clean" version for -extras but I like my one with xrdp too.16:12
lcukso i can scan my binary at runtime and build up a list of specially suffixed functions available for use within the menus16:12
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teprrrjott, one can use QT_FLUSH_PAINT only with debug libs to see which parts of the window are being painted16:12
jottcrashanddie: you could order the spare camera for 3 euro :)16:12
crashanddiejott, eh?16:12
chmacSounds like a bit of work to get x11vnc working. I'll probably stick to the stylus for now...16:12
lcukchmac, its just installing the deb?16:12
chmaclcuk: Really? Ok, where do I get it?16:13
chmaclcuk: seems a bit old...16:13
jottcrashanddie: :)16:13
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: did you ever read the bits in the amsterdam stuff regarding the camera?16:13
lcukchmac, december 2007 isnt that old16:13
chmaclcuk: Maybe that's true, this is only 2008 :)16:13
lcukand if its so out of date it just wont install16:14
jottteprrr: hum. shouldn't be the case.16:14
lcukanyway, ive gotta get on16:14
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jottteprrr: really, the behaviour is identical on both versions.16:16
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lcukqinterface qstyle_interface = { q_magic,"qstyle",0,NULL,(void *)qstyle_free };16:17
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teprrrjott, hmm. looking at the code there's some define for checking whether it can be used. no idea though is QT_NO_DEBUG_PAINT (or something like that) is being defined for release builds.16:18
jottteprrr: really the .debug version is not a different build ..16:19
jottand i think it should be active...16:19
jottor better not set..16:19
teprrrjott, ok. the problem lies somewhere else then.. although a bigger problem atm is that qmake doesn't seem to work inside sbox with armel target16:20
teprrrsigsegvs, just like uic-qt4 and others16:20
jottteprrr: i know. qemu is borked. you have to use the cvs-m version.16:21
teprrrqemu catches the signal actually.. could this happen because I'm running sbox inside virtualbox?16:21
teprrrahh, humhum16:21
jotteither export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m16:21
jottor set it in your target config16:22
jott(to make it permanent)16:22
chmacIs apt-cache the best tool to browse available packages? Is there anything better than `apt-cache search` ?16:22
teprrrchmac, umh, what do you need?16:22
teprrrdpkg -l can also be used to query package database16:22
jottteprrr: it's a bit unfortunate. i think maybe we could do a wrapper script for that, but that's still sub-optimal.16:23
chmacteprrr: Ok, thanks. I typically use synaptic on my laptop because it's easier to search, double click something for more info, etc16:23
jottteprrr: it's due to the optimization flags used to build...16:23
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teprrrchmac, aptitude or some other cli ui perhaps?16:24
teprrrjott, ah. will try that.. let's see16:24
jottteprrr: here is my post to the ml about it...16:24
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chmacOk, I've reflashed, installed a few things (vncviewer, openssh, not much else), changed the hostname, installed all the updates, now I'm borked again16:26
snakemountain1moring.  anyone ever install additional perl modules on you device or can point me to a link16:26
chmacThe blue bar scrolls to 100% then nothing...16:26
chmacIs changing the hostname a big deal?16:27
teprrrjott, ah. thanks. seems to work.. hmm, can I change the config for the target without bootstrapping the target again?16:28
Jaffasnakemountain1: `apt-get' and `perl -MCPAN' should both just work16:30
snakemountain1danka, i'll give it a try16:30
jottteprrr: yes, just edit /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/xxxx.config16:30
teprrrjott, cool, thanks a lot :)16:31
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chmacHas the OS2008 Feature upgrade (4.2008.30-2) caused anyone issues?16:35
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gomiam4.2008.30-2? I'm still on 4.2008.23... damn :-D Do I need to reflash once again?16:38
infobotmethinks ssu is
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lcukin c, if ive got a struct with lets say 5 members { int a,b,c,d,e; }  if i use an initializer on the first 3 ie. struct A a = { 1,2,3 };   what happens to the uniniitialized items, am i safe to say they are NULL/0 ?16:49
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teprrrundefined, I think. could be anything16:50
lcukthats a shame16:50
teprrrcan't say for sure, have you tested what it does? I doubt it'd initialize those to 0/NULL16:50
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lcukyes i tested, butl the "undefined" could simply be zero at this time with the memory allocated - they came out as null16:51
lcukits in my head that if you init the first member in a constant { } block the remaining ones are set to 0, but i cant find anything to back up my thinking16:52
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teprrrfrom a little googling at least A a = { .a=1, .b=2 } etc. work with C9916:57
teprrrand hmm, the whole struct gets initialized according to some Random Poster :)16:58
lcuki think it works, my concern was adding new members and having to run round and extend the constant initializers16:58
teprrr"The members without an explicit initialiser will be initialised to the16:59
teprrrright type of zero.16:59
lirithat's somewhat understandable and very common among most compilers16:59
lcukyes liri, im just having to declare some statics and am just a bit rusty on things i havent done since wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back before 200017:00
liriit's generally unnecessary but I like to explicitly initialize to zero all elements in an array like this: char mybuff[SIZE] = {0};17:00
lcukthanks guys, ill get my head back into it now17:01
GeneralAntillesI'm wondering more and more what Nokia's got cooking with GUPnP17:02
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chmacTablet has just borked for the 3rd time in a row...17:06
chmacI'm learning all my various passwords / wpa keys by heart at this rate17:06
johnxGeneralAntilles, network controlled lights17:06
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: UPnP's already part of media player; if they're looking at tracker for more than just search - a better, full-blown UPnP media player with thumbnailing etc.?17:07
GAN800N900 will be sold with 3 complimentary SmartBulbs™? :D17:07
* Jaffa hopes we won't be disappointed with the fremantle stuff at the summit17:08
johnxGAN800, nope. The next non-phone from Nokia will be the Nokia Internet Light17:08
johnxit will have a revolutionary socket-based interface17:08
GAN800you want to make a call, you gotta shout up at your ceiling fan.17:09
* GAN800 loads up mediaserv.17:09
ShadowJKQ: Hi, can I overclock my Nokia Internet Light? I have 3-phase 380V power available. thx17:09
GAN800MicroB always chokes on the thumbnail generation in big folders17:10
GAN800I only get garbage for thumbnails anywat17:10
infobotGAN800 meant: I only get garbage for thumbnails anyway17:10
JaffaGAN800: prepping a new mediaserv release atm. May be delayed a couple of hours. Trying to diagnose a "mencoder not being killed" problem.17:11
johnxGAN800, nah, I think they want to focus on their core demographic which just use the tablets as pocket flashlights17:11
GAN800They do make awesome flashlights17:11
GAN800My friends always take out their cellphones, I take out 'The Illuminator'.17:12
GAN800You know, show me another handheld that you can watch TV, browse the web and irc with. . . .17:13
lcukn810s should have backing tracks - when you unlock them they should play the THX deep note17:14
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yacoob"I'm afraid I can't unlock the screen, Dave."17:17
lcukthe screen locking is a bit annoying to me - even when locked i can draw onto it17:17
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GAN800You know what was a sound to behold? the 20th Anniversary Macintosh startup sound.17:17
* lcuk hacks all n8x0s at the summit to play windows startup sound17:18
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jottstupid session died :~(17:22
yacoobwhy are you keeping stupid sessions then, keep smart ones!17:24
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jotti just tried just that :)17:24
jottthe other one had to feel dash 9.17:25
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mikmahi everyone. have you tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel? i keep on getting segmentation fault everytime i try to run it17:39
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chmacOk, so it seems adding "user ALL = (ALL) ALL" to visudo causes the system to bork17:59
chmacAnyone know how I would file a suitable bug report?17:59
qwerty121. use visudo. 2. Wouldn't you want a NOPASSWD in there too?17:59
chmacqwerty12: I guess that's the issue18:00
chmacqwerty12: But I don't really want to give user nopasswd access to all commands18:00
JaffaBut the user needs NOPASSWD sudo for some18:01
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qwerty12mikkov_: Can I steal your scripts to put data on the memory card?18:03
jottoh, the "dummy iap" is now "USB"?18:04
qwerty12jott: it was fixed to take whatever name you give it. USB is given when you install the usb control panel applet.18:04
jottso it does not actually work :)18:04
qwerty12You can make multiple dummy entries like before now in Diablo using gconftool18:05
qwerty12I currently have DEFAULT and DUMMY as a result of me messing around before the update :)18:05
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jottwell they just should stop being morons and release the source...18:06
jottso one could make a proper usb network connection..18:06
jottat least this stupid dummy network thingy could be released..18:06
jottah well nokia and open source is still a long way to go :)18:07
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chmacqwerty12: I was assuming all the NOPASSWD entries before the last one would apply first18:08
chmacI'm sure that used to be the case as I had my previous tablet set up that way and I'm pretty sure it worked18:08
chmacThe recent updates have borked it though18:09
chmacAt least now, 4 reflashes later, I know what the problem is!18:09
chmacI'm getting very good at the first few steps after a reflash18:09
qwerty12I'm not really sure on how sudoers work. I just have sudser installed and that's it for me.18:09
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chmacqwerty12: sudser, does that allow you to sudo as user?18:10
chmacqwerty12: Hmm, I'll check it out, is it in extras?18:11
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chmacOh well, it seems I've found my issue at lesat18:35
chmacThe same thing happens before I install the OS2008 update18:35
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mikkov_qwerty12: yeah, use the scripts. You could also test if dh_fixperms --exclude dir is really needed. I think that updating or something didn't work without that.19:38
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qwerty12mikkov_: Thanks, should be useful.19:39
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crashanddieGoogle gets its own satellite:
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qwerty12Hi lardman20:03
lardmanhey qwerty1220:04
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* qwerty12 curses as I realise I typed root instead of rott out of habit20:06
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* lardman wonders if he should add a post to the "Council thread : who wants my vote - and why?" thread, sounds like a copy & paste job from a job application :)20:13
brontidefirefox 3 under osx keeps crashing20:14
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crashanddiebrontide, wrong channel20:17
brontidethe only site that I was browsing at the time was the maemo wiki20:17
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rm_youDamn, my Wiki login is still broken20:22
StsN800there isn't a software method to measure how much energy the tablet uses is there?20:23
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brontidedarkblue_B:  any thoughs on using avahi to advertise your web services over bonjour20:23
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lardmanStsN800: uptime before it shuts down?20:23
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StsN800hehe.. i was more thinking along the lines of powertop20:24
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lardmanreally though, is there a script somewhere to measure battery life? I could do with testing sbcenc20:24
RST38hlardman: it is easy to write20:25
StsN800lardman, kcbatt maybe20:25
lardmanRST38hL I know, I've just got other things to do as ever :)20:25
RST38hjust read value from procfs (or whatever it is called) and drop it into a text file20:25
qwerty12StsN800: powertop requires a kernel with a funky .config option which the n800 doesn't like :/20:25
RST38hlardman: yes, but it is 3-line easy =)20:25
lardmanRST38h: I'm 3-line busy! ;)20:25
lardmanactually I'd need to remember to charge my bt headset which is more of a problem20:26
RST38h[thtat was 3+ lines of IRC messages just now ;)]20:27
qwerty12lardman: - battery status from is needed which has a built in logging function. kcbatt - - is good to look at too20:27
lardmanyeah, I'm running at ~1% brain capactity atm to save on food20:27
lardmancheers qwerty12 I'll take a look20:28
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crashanddielardman, I know the feeling20:30
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mavhcwhy does the firmware update program say "disconnect the charger", seems, well, crazy20:30
MadMan2khi, can someone tell me how to listen to the right click events in hildon?20:31
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lardmanmavhc: CO2 ;)20:32
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mavhcwould help if the download of the firmware wasn't really slow, is nokia running their servers on actual nokia products?20:33
mikmaso, anyone here tried the openttd 0.6.2 from maemo extras-devel?20:34
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brontidemavhc: because the NIT's are not really "off" when plugged in, they need to be cold booted to accept a new flash and that means unplugged so they truly turn off20:35
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StsN800mavhc, it is a running joke here that is run on 770s:P20:38
qwerty12StsN800: I thought they were planning to upgrade to N800?20:38
StsN800yes, but they are beta testing soldering more ram on the 770s;)20:39
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lardmanright, I've just sent my job application ;)20:47
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lardmanat least that's what if felt like20:48
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eichiwe need more nice games on maemo that arent small mini-game like things ^^20:53
eichisomeone can tell me some? only hex-a-hop is a great one. wesnoth too, but its not good playing on nxxx20:53
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K_awayeichi: do it yourself !20:56
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mikmawell. there is still the openttd 0.6.2 that keeps segfaulting =/21:12
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liriI see the Google Street map in maemo mapper upside down :)21:16
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BULLEliri: so dont hold your tablet uppside down!21:17
liriit's not heh21:18
liriseriously, is there a flip toggle there or what?21:18
lirioh, toggling auto rotate off does the job21:21
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yacoobhm? tablet has inertia sensors?21:25
liriis there an easier way to zoom in/out without having to go to the menu?21:25
yacoobliri, use +/- keys?21:25
yacoob(I presume you're talking about maemo mapper)21:26
yacoobif they don't work for you, go to settings, visit 'hardware keys' section and put zoom in/out where you'd like it to be21:26
liriyeah maemo mapper on the n81021:26
liri+ and -  are indeed set in the settings but it doesn't work21:29
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yacoobI think there was a comment on that on the mapper's homepage.21:32
yacoobor in the help?21:32
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mavhcI do like hexahop21:39
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lirithe help page doesn't have any info about it21:49
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liriit has a reset button which I don't want to press21:51
yacoobhm... do I need to somehow tell fbreader to refresh its library? I've set the path right, but it doesn't seem to see the files, and I don't want to add them one by one.21:54
lcukjust add the first manually and normally by the time you've finished that its scanned and added the ones you expect21:55
qwerty12_N800yacoob: it only scans certain types of files automatically :(21:55
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lcukthou for ages i thought the library only showed items which you had read so didnt see it as a downside21:55
liriyacoob: whats a decent zoom level for street maps?21:57
yacoobliri, I use 5-8 mostly, but I'm only geocaching. You might want 10+ for driving a car...21:58
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yacoobuh, tablet rebooted22:02
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liriahh ok22:08
liriwell would be nice if I figured out how to use the + and - for zoom in/out22:09
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: *trying to dpkg-buildpackage hildon-input-framework22:11
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: cool, i'd have liked to have tried but networkmanager is disconnecting my net connection when I ssh into deblet :/22:12
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah.. nfi what is amatter with NM. Think monkies wrote it.22:13
qwerty12_N800lol, i don't like networkmanager, keep it disabled on my desktop too22:13
Stskeepsthere's always editing /etc/network/interfaces and overridingNM :P22:14
qwerty12_N800yep :)22:14
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i do wonder if a gtk program using hildon im through gtk im.. requires the whole hildon stuff running22:17
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summatusmentisis there a reason gpe-calendar isn't in extras?22:19
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: oh, and i'm doing this in deblet on my tablet. i think it's going to burst into flames.22:22
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K_awaysummatusmentis: it s in extras-devel22:24
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: <- woop22:25
summatusmentiswhat's the repo search?22:25
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: brilliant! but the shlibs msgs aren't filling me with confidence :)22:29
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: heh, and just had my deblet reboot :>22:30
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qwerty12_N800I just keep my wd's off. easiest solution in kde + deblet...22:31
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Stskeepsyeah.. wonder what causes it though22:31
Stskeepsi suspect oom killer not configured ight22:31
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summatusmentisstill no microsd cards larger than 8GB right?22:32
mzechnergreetings. a small question: i just installed gcc 3.4 from the chinook repository. i tried compiling a simple hello world app but ld can't find crt1. i googled for quiet some time now but that didn't help. any tips are appreciated22:32
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qwerty12_n800thx, i'm trying mpd22:37
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* qwerty12-N800 internet connection fuxed up when attempting to install mpd :/22:46
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crashanddiesummatusmentis, nope22:51
crashanddiesummatusmentis, start of october 200822:52
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crashanddie"We are taking pre-orders now from the first UK shipment due in at the start of October 2008. When the stock arrives, orders will be filled based on the pre-order date. We do expect demand to outstrip supply on the product for much of Q4."22:52
crashanddie"Our Price: £38.29   (£44.99 inc VAT)"22:52
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crashanddielol @ 32Gb SD card: Weight: 0.4 kg22:57
Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: i did introduce a new optimization thing in /etc/init.d/boot-basics taken from maemo.. it may work counterproductive22:58
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Stskeepsit hasn't been tested throughly :P (i guess this is one problem of alpha software..)22:58
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liriwho said a zoom of 10 is enough for car nav? hardly a 7 is enough :)23:01
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qwerty12-N800Thanks! I'll install when i'm in deblet later :)23:03
ricko73roadmap has been quite stable for gps maps in the US23:04
Stskeepsdidn't verify them yet but gonna play a bit now while the gf is soaking in the tub anyway.. :P23:04
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lcukJaffa, are you around?23:05
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Jaffalcuk: yup23:08
lcukhi, just a quickie, your video converter - any idea how long it would take to run actually on the device?23:09
JaffaFor a typical 640x368 DivX off the Internet to the lowest resolution preset: a realistic time, sub-realtime.23:10
JaffaOf course, if ssvb's optimisations for mplayer also affect the decoding in mencoder (and, ideally, the encoding) it mightn't be as long as one thought.23:10
lcuki know it owuldnt be realtime - but im just thinking whilst its plugged in somewhere23:10
JaffaWould be interesting to know23:11
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lcukif i get round to it ill stick it on device and find out, was more curiosity than anything23:11
Jaffalcuk: yeah, is there a mencoder build?23:12
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lcuki dunno, ill look when i have a break later - i just wanted to see if anyones been mad enough yet23:12
qwerty12-N800yer, bundyo's got one from rc2 based off ssvb's mplayer rc123:12
* lcuk is making classes with inheritance in c. and they appear to work :S23:13
BULLElcuk: just look at gtk+ and feel the pain =D23:14
lcukbulle, im having to look everywhere BUT the pre-built stuff, ive somehow chosen the path of most spikey crushed glass sore knackers resistance :)23:15
* lcuk wishes graphics looked nice and pretty and fast using the default methods23:15
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lcukthanks jaffa anyway, cyas later23:18
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Stskeepsis kinda useless but it actually works..23:21
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qwerty12-N800>.<, I think it would work well in nit-env-stskeeps23:22
Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: for putting more fuglies on the screens? ;)23:22
qwerty12-N800nah, because n-e-s uses matchbox23:23
Stskeepsiz progress however23:23
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Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: for documentation23:38
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qwerty12-N800Thanks, I really want to get ssh set up so I can compile but doing it using MB is gonna  make me crazy. unless I chroot :/23:40
Stskeepsgot usbnet?23:42
Stskeepsthere's a telnetd open on usb0 :P23:42
Stskeepstrue, your kernel23:42
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qwerty12-N800i cant think of anything else, i had the perfect working settings, nothing changed but it stopped working :/23:43
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solmumahaqwerty12-N800: why did you thank me in your rott announcement? :)23:56
qwerty12-N800solmumaha: I'm using modified version of your scripts :)23:56
JaffaRight, tablet-encode v2.20 released. mediaserv v0.06 may have to wait another day.23:57
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