IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-09-06

setuid0this must be a classic question but i'm really surprised there's no bash on my new n810...00:01
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lbtit's not hard to get00:01
lbtbut by default it's busybox00:01
setuid0is there a good reason for that?00:01
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lbtmost of the time busybox is just fine00:01
lbtI loaded bash :)00:02
lbt"hi" btw :)00:02
setuid0does it support .busyboxrc scripts?00:02
lbtnone                       512        12       500       3% /tmp00:02
setuid0hi, mate!00:02
setuid0well, a .profile might do, after all00:03
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GeneralAntillessetuid0, boot time.00:04
GeneralAntillesbash'd increase bootup rather significantly.00:04
lbtStskeeps: none                       512        12       500       3% /tmp00:05
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Stskeepslbt: okay. what about /boot?00:06
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lbtno /boot00:06
setuid0it's an ARM 920T @ 400 MHz on my tablet, that shouldn't be too much of an issue, i suppose00:06
GeneralAntillessetuid0, ~15-30 seconds00:07
lbtrootfs                 2063536    817412   1141300      42% /00:07
GeneralAntillesSize is an issue, too.00:07
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GeneralAntillesThe tablets have an OMAP242000:07
Stskeepslbt: okay. how about your linuxrc?00:08
setuid0GeneralAnt: wow! that's really long00:08
lbtyes, it's there....00:08
lbtit has        mount -t tmpfs none -o size=512K /tmp00:09
GeneralAntillessetuid0, yeah, they didn't use BusyBox for no reason. :)00:09
GeneralAntillesbash2 is available from Extras anyway.00:09
Stskeepslbt: /linuxrc in deblet?00:09
GeneralAntillesbtw, the OMAP2420 is ARM11, not ARM9. :)00:09
GeneralAntillesFor anybody using DUMMY connections:
lbtah, that linuxrc00:09
setuid0GeneralAnt: thanks for the info! i really feel like a noob and don't want to troll on this chan00:10
setuid0GeneralAnt: r u a programmer, btw?00:11
GeneralAntillesNo, not really.00:11
GeneralAntillessetuid0, make things easy on yourself. Type: Gen<tab>00:11
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lbtStskeeps: is it picking up the wrong rc?00:12
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Stskeepslbt: nah, im just wondering where the 512k /tmp comes from.. if the boot item has ITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc" it shouldn't do that00:12
lbtit does00:12
lbtI just checked00:13
Stskeepsgrep transfer_ /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh00:13
lbtI'm reading the initfs linuxrc to remind myself how they chain00:13
lbtin b4 returning00:13
lbt(that's there BTW)00:14
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lbtdoes exec work?00:15
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setuid0GeneralAnt: which text editor do ppl usually use on their tablets? i see nokia were nice enough to include vi but without a full keyboard, it feels a bit awkward to say the least00:15
lbtfriends don't let friends type on N8x0s00:16
Stskeepslbt: does the /linuxrc export DEBLET_something?00:17
lbtexport DEBLET_RUN_FROM_LINUXRC="1"00:17
Stskeepsis /etc/rcS.d/*boot-basics there?00:18
lbtand this is the bit that puts the 'centred' text up00:18
lbtwhich I see at boot time00:18
lbtso it appears to be executing that bit00:18
Stskeepsyeah.. so linuxrc is fine00:18
crashanddiesetuid0, ssh into your NIT, bluetooth keyboard, n810 allows you to do some stuff00:19
crashanddiesetuid0, there's plenty of options00:19
qwerty12_N800setuid0: I like leafpad (hildonised too)00:20
Stskeepslbt: is it +x?00:20
Stskeepswell that's the problem then00:21
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Stskeepsone of my bad svns had non +x so00:22
* lbt aims a rocket launcher at Stskeeps00:22
qwerty12_N800then drops it when he realises it's too big for him00:22
* lbt presses trigger. Stskeeps is lucky that it's running deblet....00:23
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lbtrebooting now.... :)00:23
lbtthat fixed my NetworkManager problems :)00:24
setuid0right, i found leafpad in the repository00:24
lbtwas going to mention them next...00:24
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lbtsetuid0: try Shopper .... for all your supermarket needs...00:24
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: btw, i migrated all my initfs changes to your initfs, i really like your .item system :)00:24
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lbtavailable now in extras-devel00:25
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setuid0why not, i've still got plenty of room on my tablet00:25
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lbt(let me know of any bugs - there's a tracker in garage...)00:26
earksiinnihi everyone00:26
lbtStskeeps: that looks saner.... updating now...00:26
earksiinnicould someone help me out with usb host mode and connecting a usb 2.0 hub?00:26
lbtlinux host?00:27
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earksiinnii've recompiled the kernel without the otg whitelist and reflashed but for some reason my n800 won't recognize the hub00:27
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earksiinnii've tried powering it and unpowering it, still nothing00:28
lbtwhat kernel?00:28
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earksiinniuname -r reports 2.6.21-omap100:28
earksiinni(on the tablet)00:28
lbtOh, sorry, I misunderstood00:28
Stskeepsearksiinni: did you enable usb host mode? :P00:28
Stskeeps(in musb_hdrc or something)00:28
earksiinniyep yep00:28
Stskeepsis the hub powered?00:28
earksiinniyes, but i tried it both powered and unpowered00:29
qwerty12_N800what does dmesg say?00:29
earksiinnier, i'm not entirely sure...whenever i run "dmesg" it's blank, and "dmesg -c" returns something different each time00:29
crashanddielcuk I LUVVVZZZ IIIIIUUUUUUUU00:30
ToyKeeperHeh, nice.  "ls: ./foo.iso: Value too large for defined data type"00:30
earksiinnii can say this though00:31
Stskeepslbt: i recommend a apt-get dist-upgrade :P00:31
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crashanddieok, let's get this done with00:31
crashanddiewho here works at Nokia in Finland?00:32
lbtnot deblet_update?00:32
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: if it's a power problem, the patch here may be of some use:
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earksiinnione time when i plugged in my hub (powered) "dmesg -c" reported something like "tusb_source_power 633: VBUS a_wait_vrise, devctl 81 otg 184 conf c0010001 prcm 00a80500"00:32
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: n810?00:32
earksiinnino, n80000:32
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solmumahausing usbcontrol?00:32
qwerty12_N800hmm, not the musb hanging bug then00:33
earksiinnii tried with both usbcontrol and just doing it from the terminal00:33
Stskeepslbt: upgrade_deblet just updates the local repo, apt-get dist-upgrade actually upgrades :P00:33
earksiinniqwerty: musb hanging bug, you say?00:33
Stskeeps(the packages installed)00:33
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: it only affects n810 according to the fix creator00:33
lbtok - dist-upgrading then...00:34
earksiinnii see00:35
earksiinniwell, any other ideas?00:35
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qwerty12_N800tried that patch to remove the power check?00:36
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, they usually aren't that forward.00:36
earksiinnilol alright one sec00:36
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* ToyKeeper wonders YTF the user is UID 29999 instead of a more typical 100000:42
StskeepsToyKeeper: 999 is 666 turned upside down. the 29 are just to get it above 1000.00:43
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ToyKeeperSo much for using numeric IDs with nfs/rsync...  I suppose I could chown everything, though.00:44
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lbtI hate Samsung00:47
earksiinninope, didn't work00:48
* GeneralAntilles likes Samsung.00:48
RST38hEverybody does. But Semsung does not care.00:48
lbtI bought 9 1Tb disks00:48
RST38h[in the meanwhile]00:48
lbtin june00:48
lbtI now have a list of 18 serial numbers00:48
GeneralAntillesRST38h, he your new hero?00:49
lbt11 failures00:49
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earksiinniqwerty12_N800: i tried the patch, no dice00:49
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lbtsorry, 13 failures00:49
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: :(, is the hub actually working?00:50
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earksiinniyeah, i tested it on my laptop00:50
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earksiinnibrand new00:50
RST38hGA: Of course not00:50
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lcuklbt, yeah, its thanks to you we now have warnings on the drives: "Not to be used internally" :D :P00:50
RST38hGA: How could I betray the Cthulhu? =)00:50
GeneralAntilleslbt, try a different brand? :P00:51
lcukagreed, thats a shockingly bad survival rate00:51
GeneralAntillesBetter yet, ship them back to Samsung's RMA department filled with feces.00:51
RST38hlbt: The morale of this story is that you should always look for failure reports on the Net before buying 9 HDs00:51
earksiinniwhoa hold on00:51
earksiinnidmesg is now working for some reason00:51
GeneralAntillesMy experience with Samsung is limited to their LCDs and their cellphones.00:52
GeneralAntillesWhich has been overwhelmingly good00:52
lbtback then they weren't so bad00:52
RST38hGA: Their digital cameras are shit00:52
GeneralAntillesI can't say that I would buy one of their drives, though.00:52
lbtbut they are the only company in the UK to do advance-replacements00:52
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, yeah, well, I'd never buy anything but Canon or Nikon.00:52
RST38hbtw I have a Samsung HD in HTPC and it still works after a few years00:52
lcuklbt, as with lots of tech, pushing things to the extremes and being on the bleeding edge isnt as rewarding as hanging back a little00:52
RST38hGA: Casio is an ok compact00:52
lbtI needed the space...00:52
RST38hGA: Not much different from the same-sized Canon, given the same sensor00:53
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earksiinniqwerty12_n800: i'm getting some error messages in dmesg about musb00:53
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lcukyou still do, but now you know the courier intimately00:53
GAN800Canon just replaced our S500 with an SD850IS for free00:53
RST38hOlympus is also ok (non DSLR, of course)00:53
lbthowever, having had 11 (I double checked) disk failures, I haven't lost any data (yet) thanks to linux raid00:53
lcukjust send your backups to irc00:53
RST38hGA: What happened with S500?00:53
GAN800CCD was prone to failure in high-humidity environments00:53
lcukrecovery is available in scrollback00:54
GAN800Started outputting garbage.00:54
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: I probably won't be able to decipher them :)00:54
earksiinni /home/ersin/maemo_kernel/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c musb_platform_enable: dma not reactivated00:54
RST38hnot uncommon though00:54
lbtthey replaced my IS S1 with an IS S5 recently too00:54
earksiinnioh, just wondering if it might have been related to that musb bug you mentioned00:54
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GAN800Have an Olympus C-3030 zoom from way back when00:54
lbtccd problem00:54
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* RST38h is considering buying a G9 but having doubts00:54
lcuklbt, what kind of cabinet are you storing these in - is it optimum00:54
lbtDell servers00:54
RST38hSame small noisy sensor as in compacts00:55
lbt4 in each00:55
GAN800I almost upgraded th S500 to a refurbed Rebel XT for $27500:55
lbtno heat issues00:55
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: the dma is buggy on the tablet, it may be worth disabling it00:55
lcukcool :) literally00:55
GAN800G9 is close enough to DSLR that I would just take the leap.00:55
teamcobrad'oh, deblet won't boot, it reboots itself instead :/00:55
earksiinniqwerty12_N800: does that have negative side effects?  slower speed?00:56
GAN800I've already got an XTi, though and my mother still wanted a compact.00:56
lbtLifetime    Max Temperature:         39 Celsius00:56
RST38hGAN: That is most unfortunate part00:56
lcukhave you put it down to bad luck or are you looking for alternatives?00:56
lbtsmartctl -l scttempsts /dev/sdb00:56
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: yep, slower speeds :(00:56
RST38hGAN: G9 has got decent optics, decent controls, etc. but behind all that is a noisy little 12mpx sensor00:56
lcukyou haven't got feiserfs on them have you?00:56
lbtI have them now - so I'm asking Samsung to replace them with enterprise drives00:56
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RST38hGAN: And if you look at samples it really shows :(00:56
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yury_usahi folks00:56
lbtI used to work for SGI :)00:56
lcukgood, cos ive heard that can kill the drives00:56
teamcobrahi yury00:56
yury_usamaybe someone could help me with this.. I'm trying to refresh update list on my N77000:57
teamcobralcuk: *rimshot*00:57
yury_usaI get a message "Unable to refresh list.."00:57
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lcuk..too much slash00:57
earksiinniqwerty12_N800: what exactly does your patch do?  remove the 200mA power restriction?00:58
yury_usait has Tablet OS 2006 installed, so I dont see "log" in tools menu00:58
GAN800yury_usa, you've probably got a bad repo in your list.00:58
Stskeepslbt: did it succeed?00:58
yury_usaGAN800, how do I get rid of it?00:58
lbtdon't do a dist-upgrade over ssh :(00:59
GAN800run apt-get update in xterm.00:59
lbtRestarting network connection manager: NetworkManager00:59
qwerty12_N800earksiinni: oh, it's not my patch but it disables the pwr check00:59
yury_usaGAN800, do I need root acc?00:59
GAN800Or just start disabling repos until it works.01:00
* qwerty12_N800 never put rootsh in a 06 repo01:00
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Stskeepslbt: yeah, ran into that one too :P01:00
lbtso no wifi atm01:00
yury_usau mean uninstalling, cuz I cant disable them in OS 200601:00
GeneralAntillesThink of this as an opportunity to upgrade to OS2007 or OS2008 HE?01:01
yury_usawhere can I get it?01:01
infobotwell, flashing is
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lbtStskeeps: is that the last thing?01:03
Stskeepslbt: yeah01:03
lbtapt-get install -f says nothing to do01:03
lbtso a reboot?01:04
Stskeepsthen you should be up to date01:04
Stskeepswell this is just because i dont want to list what services to restart :P01:04
Stskeepsand there's fixes to the boot scripts01:04
lbtI restarted network-manager but yeah, init 6 is easier01:05
lbttum te tum01:05
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yury_usaone question, if I flash to 2008HE will I lose all files except the ones on memory card?01:10
GeneralAntillesI believe the wiki article covers that at the top.01:10
yury_usamost importantly I wanna keep all the bookmarks and rss feeds01:10
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lbtI've dist-upgraded, rebooted, deblet_upgraded, updated and installes01:17
infobotlbt meant: I've dist-upgraded, rebooted, deblet_upgraded, updated and installed01:17
Stskeepsis it in /nit-repository/binary?01:18
Stskeepsoh, lemme guess, you used nit-env-stskeeps before?01:18
Stskeepsapt-get install tablet-gdm-autologin first, and let's see if that works01:19
Stskeeps(i so look forward to be getting rid of nit-env-stskeeps)01:19
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lbtdoes it tend to freeze over ssh when the backlight dims01:20
Stskeepsyeah, it's part of wifi powersave that works now cos you have dsme sockets from /tmp -> /boot01:20
Stskeepsyou can adjust it with set_dim_something 300 600 and it's more tolerable01:20
Stskeepsor kill wifi powersave01:20
lbtiwconfig wlan0 power off01:22
Stskeepsnah, you need to kill the process that listens to activity01:23
Stskeepsit intensely increases battery life, so :P01:24
Stskeepsbut yes, it is a bit irritating while sshing in01:25
teamcobraStskeeps, I am in gnome! and it's kinda tripping me out to see gnome on such a small device ;)01:26
Stskeepsteamcobra: hehe01:27
Stskeepsteamcobra: kde3 exists too01:27
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teamcobranow I just have to get network-manager working, it seems01:29
Stskeepsnm-applet should run01:30
teamcobrayup, gotta run it as root, but it did start up01:33
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teamcobraand just connected w/ wep :) amazing01:35
teamcobraStskeeps, 1 minor usability quirk though.... crtl doesn't map to crtl, it seems... other than that, I'm still picking my jaw off of the floor01:35
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Stskeepsteamcobra: feel free to figure out how to fix it :P01:37
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* Stskeeps doesn't own a n810 so01:38
teamcobraahh, then I shall toy w/ it :)01:38
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Stskeepsit's prolly a xmodmap issue01:39
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GeneralAntillesMaybe a stupid question, but can I setup a toolchain that might work for the Beagle in Deblet?01:47
Stskeepsit's both armel isn't it? just apt-get build-essential :P01:48
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Stskeepsapt-get install build-essential01:49
Stskeepsgcc, make, all that stuff :P01:49
GeneralAntillesI'm suffering with a kernel that, apparently, has broken OTG support01:49
GeneralAntillesand can't get ahold of a pre-compiled kernel that's not broken01:49
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Stskeepsshould be possible to build just fine01:51
lbt'night all01:51
lbt(thanks for the help Stskeeps01:52
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Stskeepsoff as well, battery running out :P01:53
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teamcobranight stskeeps01:57
teamcobrabrb, rebooting my router01:57
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SyntuxI'm trying to setup my Google Apps domain with gtalk on n800, does anybody know what's the settings to get it running ?02:04
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Robot101Syntux: does it not work if you select google talk and enter in your own address?02:08
Robot101or does it only let you set or
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SyntuxRobot101, no it doesn't, I picked jabber for that to use my own domain02:09
Robot101if so, select Jabber and go to Advanced, put Connect Server as, Use Old SSL, and port 522302:09
Syntuxlemme try that02:09
Robot101I think thats where the hosted domains are too02:09
Robot101otherwise take a look at host -t SRV _xmpp-client._tcp.yourdomain.com02:09
Robot101and see what it says02:09
Robot101anyway, gotta go02:09
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SyntuxRobot101, lovely, thank you ;-)02:11
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robinkShould I be using Claws if I want PGP support in an e-mail client for Maemo?02:30
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robinkPGP support isn't critical for me (especially on a mobile platform), but I was curious...02:30
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GeneralAntillesCould somebody ban this luser?
jotthehe that's the way a bug report should be filed :D04:20
GeneralAntilles. . . if you want yourself banned.04:22
jottoh, i nearly forgot about *that* detail.04:23
jotthonestly, sometimes i wonder if the "keep every single bug policy" is really worth it :/04:24
GeneralAntillesI guess the issue is the sequential bug numbering04:24
GeneralAntillesbut I don't really know.04:24
GeneralAntillesThere are some I'd really like to delete.04:25
RST38hGAN: Well, I can't wholeheartedly say this guy is incorrect04:29
jottmost of us agree that modest sucks most of the time :)04:30
jottbut still no reason to litter the bugtracker ;)04:30
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GeneralAntillesThat doesn't make it a useful bug report04:32
GeneralAntillesI could file a bug report saying that a lot of Nokia's management is shitty.04:32
GeneralAntillesIt may be correct04:32
GeneralAntillesbut it's not useful04:32
GeneralAntillesBesides, I don't have any issues with Modest here.04:33
GeneralAntillesThe bug tracker is for filing bug reports04:33
GeneralAntillesnot blowing off steam.04:33
jottit crashes here all the time but i had no patience to collect backtraces so i just disabled it..04:33
jottatleast the automatic fetching and notification...04:34
jottand when i doubt i just ssh into my box and use mutt ;)04:35
GeneralAntillesI love pccables.com04:36
GeneralAntilles3 high-quality 2M HDMI cables and 1 HDMI-to-DVI 2M cable for $40 shipped04:37
GeneralAntillesI'd've paid $200 at Best Buy.04:37
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jottcable prices are ridicolous in 99% of the cases.04:38
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jottwas there actually any more or less decent image editing application for maemo? (to do level correction, white balancing and stuff)04:41
GeneralAntilles"figured you assholes would do something like that.  FIX THE FUCKING EMAIL APP YOU STUPID INCOMPETENT MORONS!!!!!!"04:41
* GeneralAntilles forwards it off to the bugmasters.04:43
GeneralAntillesjott, not that I've seen.04:43
GeneralAntillesUnless you count "running" GIMP04:43
crashanddiebtw, do you guys think it would be possible to connect the NIT through wireless, and have it forward all the touch information to a computer through bluetooth or wifi?04:46
crashanddieHow big is the lag in bluetooth? <1ms?04:46
GeneralAntillesYeah, not much.04:47
crashanddieWifi will give a ~10ms lag04:47
crashanddieor well, even USB for that matter04:47
crashanddiebut I'd like to see if the tablet would be usable as a poor man's touch tablet04:47
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RST38hjott: Tablets use 16bpp displays04:48
jottRST38h: i know.04:48
GeneralAntillesIt gets better04:50
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, where the hell does that come from?04:51
RST38hjott: You won't be doing any image processing on that04:52
jottRST38h: sure, i can do simple white balancing and level corrections.04:52
jottnothing for production quality.....04:53
* GeneralAntilles waits eagerly for the next email.04:53
RST38hGAN: Promises of anal intercourse are cute but this is really high-school level of flaming04:53
jottbut that's what i would not even use gimp for :/04:53
jott(on a desktop)04:53
GeneralAntillesRST38h, yeah, I know, but I normally don't get reactions like this in my inbox.04:53
RST38hjott: Won't even be able to do white balancing and level corrections04:53
RST38hjott: I own a 16bpp laptop - it is absolutely useless for such things =(04:54
jottRST38h: why so? select a white spot, let the algorithm work. look at the histogram and stretch as needed.04:54
jottyou could even do this "blind"04:54
RST38hyea, if you want to do it based solely on the histogram then no problem04:55
jotti don't want to publish it on a cover of a magazine ;)04:55
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RST38hbut looking at the image won't tell you anything - you are looking at 5 bits out of each 804:56
* GeneralAntilles forgot what he was doing. . . .04:56
jottwell or out of 24 or out of a cmyk color space.. :)04:56
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, isn't there a way to ban that email address?04:57
jottyou can actually visually improve things, but i would never rely on that for serious usage.04:57
RST38hThere is a better way to handle it04:57
RST38huse procmail to route email form this guy to a script that will respond with random paragraph of cursing04:57
GeneralAntillesI want to forward them to his grandmother.04:57
RST38hAnd let him chat with the script04:57
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jotteliza to the rescue ;)04:59
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jotti wonder how long such a guy would need until he notices ;)05:02
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RST38hthis one? he will talk for a long time05:04
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ToyKeepercrashanddie: I don't see any reason why the NIT couldn't do x2x or something similar.  You could even use VNC for that, though it's far from ideal.05:09
crashanddie[canadian] Eh? [/]05:09
GeneralAntillesThat's a working USB hub05:10
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GeneralAntillesHrm, X isn't starting. . . .05:11
ToyKeepercrashanddie: You were wondering about using the NIT as a pointer device for another system?05:14
crashanddieoh, right05:14
crashanddiebut VNC is too sluggish05:14
ToyKeeperx2x is definitely faster, but I don't know how it'd work for a touchscreen...  I've only tried it with relative pointers, not absolute ones.05:15
rm_yoummm Synergy is fun05:17
rm_youalso, absolute vs relative might cause problems there05:18
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ToyKeeperSynergy is good if you need non-x11 support, or more than a few screens.05:28
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ToyKeeperFor controlling a small number of x11 displays x2x is nicer...  nowhere near as buggy, and much much smaller.05:28
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rm_youhrm, are there higher resolution versions of the logos on the Logo Contest page? >_>05:36
jottvnc is actually quite ok too if you drastically reduce the image quality.05:36
GeneralAntillesrm_you, you'd probably need to poke their creators.05:36
rm_youi didnt realize these were all so low res05:37
rm_youi'm about out of time <_<05:37
rm_youi'll have to photoshop them to larger sizes and do cleanup the best i can05:37
GeneralAntillesVectorize them05:37
GeneralAntillesWont take too long for most.05:37
GeneralAntillesHeck, you might be able to automate it for some05:37
rm_youyou know how to do that?05:37
GeneralAntillesStandford or somebody has a web app.05:37
GeneralAntillesOpen up Photoshop, start tracing shapes with the pen tool.05:38
rm_youi'm horrible at that05:38
GeneralAntillesWrong one05:38
GeneralAntillesWell, it WAS free.05:39
jotthuh? it's not anymore?05:39
jottwas a quite good quality.05:39
GeneralAntillesApparently not . . .05:39
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rm_youworking here05:42
rm_youi can just screenshot this :P05:42
rm_youor torrent it05:43
jottor stay free and use good old potrace ;)05:44
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jotti think inkscape uses it too..05:45
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GeneralAntillesWell, one precompiled kernel image has working USB06:01
GeneralAntillesthe other boots.06:01
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jottGeneralAntilles: what are you trying? angstrom?06:07
GeneralAntillesand Deblet06:07
GeneralAntillesDeblet booted yesterday with a newer kernel06:07
GeneralAntillesBut no USB, so I could only stare at the desktop06:07
GeneralAntillesChanged kernels to an older one with working USB06:07
GeneralAntillesBoot X wont start06:07
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infobotGeneralAntilles meant: But X wont start06:08
jottisn't angstrom supposed to work? :)06:09
GeneralAntillesBut evidently not with the kernel with working USB06:09
jottoh joy :)06:10
GeneralAntillesI wiped that partition and my N800 is expanding a new image onto it as we speak06:10
GeneralAntillesThis would be easy if I had a working tool chain06:10
GeneralAntillesbut Mac OS X/PPC . . . isn't well supported. ;)06:10
jottjust get a real pc :P06:11
GeneralAntillesI'm gonna get an Intel machine at some point06:11
GeneralAntillesthen I can run VMWare images of whatever the hell I want.06:11
GeneralAntillesBut, $$$06:11
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jottdoes qemu run on ppc? ;)06:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, it does.06:12
GeneralAntillesBut the MacPorts port is broken at the moment06:12
jottyou could run a x86 system in it :D06:13
GeneralAntillesI could do the cross-compiling in it, actually.06:13
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GeneralAntillesI only have so much energy to overcome a certain number of hurdles.06:13
GeneralAntillesI may just resort to coercing people if this doesn't work.06:14
GeneralAntillesrm_you, you want to install the codesourcery tool chain, right? :P06:14
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ds3anyone recall if the battery icon should show an animated charging battery when it is plugged in?06:21
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GeneralAntillesThough sometimes it doesn't.06:21
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jottwell if the battery is full it stops too ...06:23
rm_youGeneralAntilles: lolwut? :P06:23
GeneralAntillesI need a freaking kernel06:24
GeneralAntillesJust one little itty bitty kernel.06:24
ToyKeeperOh yeah.  Is there some way to make "bright black" display in osso-xterm?06:24
GeneralAntillesBut, apparently, I can't get taht.06:24
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GeneralAntillesssh access for a working kernel. :P06:24
jottToyKeeper: install
ToyKeeperMutt looks much nicer now.  :)06:28
jottheh irssi too :)06:28
jotthmm ~450kb for a static uclibc directfb executable on jffs2 :/06:29
ToyKeeperIs there some way to tell a n810 to go into low-power modes?06:30
ToyKeeperIt'd be nice to have triggers for turning the screen off, and suspending.06:31
ds3hmmm sometimes.. HMmm06:31
jottToyKeeper: well usually going to offline mode is sufficient.06:31
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ToyKeeperI suppose 'xset dpms force off' would work for one of the two, if xset was around.06:32
derfHit the power button once and it'll give you a menu from which you can blank the screen.06:32
derfOr just lock it with the lock button on the upper-right side of the case.06:32
GeneralAntillesThe powersaving should cover you.06:33
GeneralAntillesIf it's not, then there's something killing CPU06:33
GeneralAntillesand that's a separate issue.06:33
ToyKeeperI'm not yet sure what to expect from the battery.06:34
ToyKeeperI'm used to palm-type PDAs, or even my zaurus, where I can wake it up, check some items off a list, and suspend it again within 10 seconds or so.06:34
GeneralAntilles~4-6 hours active use06:35
GeneralAntilles~7-10 hours light use06:35
rm_youToyKeeper: i can just "let it sit" for like... 7 days06:35
rm_youin what seems like "on" mode06:35
GeneralAntillesidle on wifi 2-4 days06:36
GeneralAntillesidle off wifi 6-30 days06:36
jottToyKeeper: as i said, if you go to offline mode and then do as derf said, it will idle quite long.06:36
ToyKeeperThat's pretty impressive.06:36
ds3then you install some buggy third party app and your battery life becomes 30mins :(06:38
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GeneralAntillesds3, the pitfalls of highly aggressive powersaving.06:39
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ToyKeeperI normally keep things plugged in and/or turned off as much as possible, so the NIT's approach seems pretty unusual...  don't turn it off; just let it sit idle and go to sleep on its own.06:41
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RST38hdon't install misbehaving apps06:58
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GeneralAntillesEnlightenment is purty07:14
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Stskeepsmorning lbt10:48
oilinkihow to calibrate n800/diablo screen when the screen calibration can not do it anymore?10:49
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lbtjust checking my raids to make sure I've not lost anymore drives, signed for another RMA'ed one (saturday, next day from samsung!!)10:51
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oilinkithe bottom-right corner is about 1cm or more off so that if I push the bottom of the screen, the click is done in 1cm on top of it.10:51
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lbtoilinki: why can't calibrate do it?10:51
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oilinkilbt: when doing the calibration and I click the 3rd calibration point the program complains that  I should click closer to the calibration point10:53
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lbturgh - I wonder if there is a calibration file you can delete10:54
lbtmaybe the default setting is close enough10:54
Proteousmaybe your touch screen is broken in some way10:54
lbtI'm in deblet at the moment so I can't search10:54
Stskeepslbt: /etc/pointercal or something10:55
Stskeepsremove it and it will restore to default at boot.. maybe10:55
Stskeepscant remember if it does it default or not10:55
oilinkilbt: I tried to delete the file, but then the device or X will restart after the first click10:55
lbtOK, can you get someone to send you a copy?10:56
oilinkiI just reflashed n800 for diablo and hoped that it would have helped, but not.10:56
lbtah - that's not good10:56
qwerty12If it doesn't you can get the pointercal files from the xomap-server package10:56
lbtProteous may have been right.10:56
oilinkiProteous: yes. that might be it as well10:56
lbtAre there any drawing apps you can use to see where the pointer appears10:57
qwerty12hey Stskeeps10:57
lbtif it is smooth then that's a good start10:57
lbtmy Zaurus got kinda jaggy in the end as the screen wore10:57
Stskeepsmorning qwerty1210:57
oilinkiI made lines to the screen and on the screen the lines start to go up on the right corner11:00
lbtnon-linear calibration is not supported :(11:01
* qwerty12 learns not to apply the WEXT patch for cx3100 to a cx3100 module that is intended for use in maemo11:05
oilinkiwell I guess i try to open the n800 and clean the screen if there is some dirt11:05
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qwerty12Stskeeps: interesting, that browser you want packaged can already run on N800 in maemo11:14
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lbtso lxde is up - but there is no virtual keyboard - what's that called?11:21
lbthope it's short - I have to cut'n'paste a dummy command to get an error to get enough letters to cut'n'paste the keyboard applet command...11:22
lbtI need the keyboard to enter the passwd for the keyring for the wep key :)11:23
qwerty12Ah, my bad :), I once had to do the same thing, it was a nightmare :P11:23
lbtI'm getting used to it...11:24
lbtstill, this useability stuff will help make deblet better11:24
qwerty12I think what I did in the end was connect the thing to my computer and change the config files by hand so it was started automatically11:24
qwerty12I think the keyboard is called matchbox-keyboard11:24
lbti'll see11:25
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Stskeepsqwerty12: i know, but not in deblet :P11:28
AddisonQwerty!  What's up big daddy?  :)11:29
qwerty12Stskeeps: :), I'll reflash the original kernel and reinstall deblet, with the gnome-full this time11:29
qwerty12and lxde afterwards :>11:29
qwerty12Addison: hey11:29
AddisonRight back at you slick!11:30
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AddisonHow's life treating you?11:30
Stskeepsqwerty12: i only tested -basic atleast, but sure :P11:30
AddisonFor me, kind of like how a baby treats a diaper.  *lol*11:30
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qwerty12Addison: I'm doing ok, looks like I wasn't that bad in school :)11:30
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AddisonI just had orientation today.  I've got 9 tests the first week of schooling.  Needless to say, I'm screwed!11:31
qwerty12Stskeeps: :P. Btw, I'm working on a very tiny enhancement for your installer, the ability to make the tablet connect to the internet if it isn't already, you won't believe how much times I got not found etc halfway through the installer...11:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: ah, didn't know how to do that11:31
Stskeepsjust do a diff and i'll commit it11:32
qwerty12It's just a tiny program, lemme test it first11:32
AddisonHey qwerty, any chance you would be open to a luxury request for your new Xterm upgrade?11:32
qwerty12Addison: it depends if I have the knowledge to actually do it :)11:33
AddisonI guess that means no then!  *lol*11:33
Stskeepsqwerty12: was ke-recv basically just get kernel events (gpio and such) and send out on dbus?11:34
qwerty12Stskeeps: yes, but I don't know if it sends out on dbus, I think the other daemons do that (hal, hulda etc), come think of it hulda may be part of ke-recv11:35
lbtStskeeps: do you know what the keyboard applet is ? matchbox-keyboard?11:35
AddisonI was thinking about a feature to adjust the display colours like that in PuTTY.... Configuration->Window->Colours11:35
lbtlxde has no keybaord so I'm trying to cut'n'paste it11:35
qwerty12Addison: Oh noez, that is way out of my league :). How about just a simple background and font colour change? :P :)11:36
Stskeepslbt: yes, matchbox-keyboard11:36
Stskeepslbt: it should be included in -lxde afaik11:36
Stskeepsso it's under Accessories11:36
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AddisonNoez is not a real word.  Stop using words that have no meaning, qwerty!  :)11:39
Stskeepslbt: found it under accessories?11:41
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Stskeepsi want to make a product that uses this as logo: :>11:46
qwerty12ooh, i c an xda11:46
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Stskeeps (collection of quite interesting art :P)11:47
qwerty12exit code 0 means successful right?11:47
Stskeepsusually, yeah11:48
Proteousthat means your IT will self destruct in 10 seconds11:48
ProteousGET AWAY11:48
qwerty12NO, I will die with my IT!11:49
Proteousprobably just seriously mamed11:49
AddisonWell it looks like you're busy tonight qwerty, I'll hit you up another time.11:51
AddisonHave a good night you scum lapping sack of puke!  *lol*11:51
AddisonSee ya qwerty, good luck with school.  :)11:52
qwerty12Bye, thanks :)11:52
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qwerty12Stskeeps: n3x has a point, it's what I wanted to do sometime:
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Nice, I bet deblet runs a hell of a lot faster on the beagle :D12:11
GeneralAntillesI didn't actually have USB there12:11
GeneralAntillesSo I couldn't say.12:11
GeneralAntillesEnlightenment on the Ã…ngstrom image is quite snappy, though.12:12
GeneralAntillesIs the finger-keyboard part of h-i-m?12:13
qwerty12yeah, iirc12:13
GeneralAntillesThat'd be really nice.12:13
qwerty12If you can get a toolchain in angstrom/deblet, you could probably compile it but you would have to compile the rest of the hildon libs too. As soon as I get a proper gnome deblet, I'm gonna try and work on hildon-input-method in deblet12:15
qwerty12For now, I'm racking my brains on trying to stop a loop12:15
GeneralAntillesYou know, I kinda only just realized I have a 4th virtual desktop sitting completely unused. . . .12:17
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qwerty12Stskeeps: ping12:23
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah but isnt it very hildon specific?13:10
Stskeepsim in a car at 130km/h so a bit lagged13:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: tbh, I think it just works on any gtkentry13:10
qwerty12The binary is simplicity itself. If the tablet is in offline mode, it asks to take it out. If the wifi is disconnected it brings up the select connection and if its already connected it does nothing13:11
qwerty12It returns 0 when it's connected, 1 when its disconnected/disconnecting :)13:12
Stskeepsso hildon is just a gtkim? as in on screeen kbd13:14
qwerty12yeah basically, you would probably need to compile the hildon libs for the keyboard (and maybe the control panel) but it works on gtk input boxes (hildonised or not). I wouldn't tout it as a matchbox-replacement but it's useful when you don't want to keep toggling the matchbox13:16
Stskeepsi hate mb-kbd so13:17
qwerty12+1. in all honesty, I prefer the windows osk to the linux osk's :/13:18
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Stskeepsis osk hildon restricted to matchbox wm?13:19
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GAN800I dunno why some people love that damn keyboard so much13:19
qwerty12Stskeeps: don't think so, I've used it in fvwm213:20
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qwerty12I'm reinstalling gnome with the standard kernel and initfs, i'll set up a dev environment in deblet soon and try this out13:20
Stskeepssounds good13:21
Stskeepsis the input method oss?13:21
qwerty12ubuntu mobile has an edition but I prefer the maemo version13:21
youamis there an sqlite3 executable for diablo/chinook somewhere?13:26
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sp3000I think that's come up on the lists13:32
sp3000or in bugzilla too13:32
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zhaozhouHmm, i could need some type of todo-list, but with an applet, so i can be reminded every time i pull up the tablet. :-)13:52
qwerty12with gpesummary13:53
zhaozhouBut it seems buggy, it always displays "no todo's"13:53
zhaozhouworks fine with the calendar though, but not with the todo.13:54
qwerty12it worked for me, make sure you actually have a due date set on the todo's and it's "in progress"13:54
qwerty12in the end, I didn't need a pim so I replaced it with yellownotes which isn't a todo thing but exactly what I wanted13:55
zhaozhouqwerty12, Hm, it's due by two weeks, status is in progress, priority high. Could try to decrease the due by and add a category...13:56
zhaozhouNo, no go.13:59
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qwerty12dunno, it worked for me :/14:00
zhaozhouBugs, bugs, bugs...14:00
zhaozhouWait, now it works...14:00
zhaozhouMeh. Only works if it's due by today.14:02
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zhaozhouHm, I'll just write the date as yesterday, and then write the actual due-by in the summary14:08
zhaozhouEasiest. :-)14:08
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crashanddieKhertan1, io14:46
crashanddieKhertan1, what happened with "Darius Jack" ?14:47
lcukwhen you were young and your mama told you stories about the boogie man, when n00bs enter certain communities on the net they are told haunting ghostly tails about a darius jack14:48
lcukhe will catch you when you least expect it14:48
crashanddiewho the fuck is this idiot darius anyway?14:56
crashanddiehe should be surgically removed from what I can see14:56
lcuknahhhh, he helps to fill up the google groups numbers, i think hes going for the world record for joining and creating the most groups ever14:57
crashanddieI did remember his name from somewhere, might be from fclp14:58
lcukyer, he spends most of his time setting up groups for different things without actually getting his hands dirty.15:00
crashanddiefunnily enough, when you google darius jack, you find maemo-dev quite high on the list15:01
crashanddieand also that jack darius is a Baywatch character15:01
lcukthe thing is, hes not exactly a troll - at least not in the normal trolling terms, hes just misguided and doesnt listen to advice15:03
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keesjhe just needs some serious slapping again!15:10
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crashanddie[Information about a play] Robbins as King Darius, Jack as Daniel, Marissa as Nathan,...15:11
crashanddieWait, WHAT?15:12
crashanddie"Jack as Daniel", ok, you have some funky sense of humour, but "Marissa as Nathan", really?15:12
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zhaozhouThe apt sources.list still resides in /etc/apt, right?16:03
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zhaozhouBecause it's empty. :-( Need it to get NFS working.16:04
zhaozhouWell, i need to add a repo.16:04
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flo_laphi all16:04
zhaozhouflo_lap, Hey there. :-)16:07
sp3000man, dj's swung to the conspicuously nutty phase again, hasn't he :\16:08
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sp3000now to find out who makes tinfoil hat detectors for computers16:09
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lbtI'm beginning to suspect that Darius Jack's emails are actually a the result of running "cat /dev/random | mail" whilst on The Heart of Gold.16:20
lcuklbt, i imagine he will actually wet himself when apple released the large form factor newton16:22
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snakemountainmorning.  i just flashed for 2008he.  how to gain root16:27
snakemountainon my 77016:27
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Stskeepslo qwerty12_N80016:44
qwerty12_N800hi Stskeeps16:44
Stskeepsi saw someone adjusted qt to use hildon im as well16:45
qwerty12_N800cool, how well does it work?16:45
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Stskeepsno clue, maybe mamona has something too?16:47
JaffaMorning, all16:47
Stskeepsfor qt im16:47
qwerty12_N800Afternoon Jaffa16:47
qwerty12_N800cool, looking now16:48
jottthe current svn version should be better.16:48
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jottyou can also look at the slides by gnuton from last akademy about h-i-m integration in qt.16:50
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Stskeepsvery useful17:04
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Stskeepsit seems like we should prolly just recompile the ubuntu packages since debian packages are hopeless17:05
qwerty12_N800yep :)17:05
Stskeepsand then it looks like it17:05
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Stskeepsdunno about the nokia im methods dependancies though but i will look17:06
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brontideWho is in charge of the lists?17:10
JaffaA number of people. Bugzilla's the right place if there's a problem.17:11
qwerty12_N800Dunno but they/him/her must be sitting on their arse(s) if they have not removed Darius.17:11
brontideSo I should open a Bugzilla if I want the user warned/off the list?17:12
JaffaProbably should have a discussion on maemo-community about it, which - if there's consensus - then raise a bug about it17:12
JaffaIf it's me you want booted, ignore all that and here, have some money17:13
brontidehe is harassing the list, someone needs to send him at least a warning17:13
brontidehaving another discussion will only continue to extend the problem onto the -community list17:13
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JaffaWhich list, cos I've not seen the harrasment; but one of them might be lying about me still being subscribed17:14
qwerty12_N800-developers, look at darius's stuff17:15
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: isnt it just building h-i-f and either use ume kbd or wedge maemo pnes in?17:15
qwerty12_N800hi Persia17:16
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: h-i-f?17:16
qwerty12_N800oh, framework17:16
Persiaumm Batman.The.Dark.Knight.2008.READNFO.TELECINE.XViD-TheBatman is the better quality yeah?17:16
Persiai think that's better than DVDSCR17:16
brontideThere is no componeint in bugzilla for the lists ( as far as I can find )17:17
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yeah, i think that's basicly it (i hope)17:17
Persiawhich one u grabbed?17:17
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brontideJaffa: if you are not going to do something I will post something to -community and -developer requesting help17:22
Jaffabrontide: I can't do anything - I've no power on the moderation of the lists.17:25
* Jaffa has no power in anything17:25
brontideDo you know who does?17:26
brontideI would rather this be a private plea than a public ariting17:26
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lbtbrontide: Dave Neary sent a private email - Darius bounced it to the list17:27
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VDVsxbrontide, maemo-community list run by ferenc at maemo.org17:28
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JaffaOh FFS. The listserv is doing the same thing that happened last time I had email problems: it claims I'm still subscribed, but isn't delivering me any email.17:29
Jaffabrontide: sorry if I gave you the impression I was some kind of list moderator.17:29
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brontideNo problems, it's just sometime hard to tell with so many people helping out17:30
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JaffaBTW, From external observation - Darius is acting like someone I used to work with who had fairly extreme Asperger's Syndrome.17:34
brontideI'm sure part of his issue is the grasp of the english language, but for the most part it's attitude and understanding17:35
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lbtbrontide: there you go....17:35
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Stskeepshehe, a little AS is good when developing for tablets, but extreme sounds like a nightmare17:36
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Stskeepsas tablet developers need to talk with others since its not fully documented:P17:38
brontideStskeeps: trial and error FTW17:40
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zhaozhouThe apt sources.list still resides in /etc/apt, right?17:53
Stskeepssources.list.d too17:53
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zhaozhouAh, thanks.18:03
zhaozhouSeems like i had a few updates.. :-)18:04
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zhaozhoubut kernel-diablo-modules-extra did'nt exist... ):18:05
zhaozhouand portmap is'nt installable... ):18:06
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yacoobhm. What are my cron options on the tablet?18:13
yacoob(read: what should I use in order to make sure something will run on periodical basis, won't drain my battery, respect power saving levels, offline mode, etc.)18:13
qwerty12alarmd. good luck setting it up.18:15
johnxqwerty12, you didn't have any luck with cron?18:16
qwerty12johnx: oh for me, cron works great thanks, I'm answering yacoob in regards to " respect ... offline mode, etc.)"18:16
yacoobqwerty12 :)18:16
yacoobI think I can just wrap my command in connectivity checker...18:17
johnxmaybe anacron + dbus-script18:17
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zhaozhouHmm, an ssh server on this thing cant be safe, can it? I mean, i cant change the user pass?20:07
zhaozhouOr do i add another user and only allow that one to log in?20:07
qwerty12Because the default user (aptly called user) has no password, you cannot ssh in with that user. But you can ssh in with the "root" account and the openssh server asks to set a password for that.20:08
qwerty12btw, rott is properly working now :), I'll release an update to my 1/2 working "port" soon20:09
zhaozhouqwerty12, ah, right, so i'll passwd as root then. :-)20:09
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qwerty12ssh asks to set the root password during install :)20:10
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zhaozhouqwerty12, ah :D thank you!20:10
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zhaozhouOH. MY. GOD. Canola has lastfm support. WHOOP!20:11
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* Jaffa really boggles at the level of passion about the council election process - on ITT.20:37
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JaffaHmm, trying to get USB networking between N810 and Ubuntu laptop; following and my tablet's going all rebooty20:54
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brontideJaffa: I've been getting reboot loops myself for the first time recently21:08
zhaozhouWhat do you do if you encounter that? Flash the device?21:12
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Jaffabrontide: fortunately, now I'm not using the control panel applet but the command line it seems more stable.21:19
JaffaShould be sufficient to demo mediaserv at the summit, anyway21:20
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brontidegood, you did know they were planing on having some sort of demo units for presentations that were projector attached, unfortunately I have not been able to pin down what that means.21:21
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Jaffabrontide: indeed, figured I should be prepared just in case...21:30
JaffaAnd I don't want to have to rely on a wireless LAN for a demo - I've seen bad experiences with them21:30
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brontideheh, understood.... with 150 people with one or more wifi devices it might get a little hairy at times21:31
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Proteoushmf why doesnt the Ctrl key work like the shift and funk key on the n810 keyboard22:08
Proteousyou have to hold it down at the same time as the other key you press, you cant toggle it22:09
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brontideYou can file an enhancement request in bugzilla22:21
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zhaozhouWait a min... i bought my n810 yesterday, should'nt i have the daiblo-release?22:25
BULLEzhaozhou: nope22:25
zhaozhouHuh, why is that? Is'nt diablo the newest one?22:25
BULLEzhaozhou: dunno why22:25
BULLEzhaozhou: i got my n810 like 2 weeks ago, no diable there either22:25
BULLEzhaozhou: diablo22:26
zhaozhouBULLE, Hmm.. odd.22:26
zhaozhouBULLE, Hej, forresten. :-)22:26
BULLEzhaozhou: most likely they were manufactured quite some time ago, and flashed with the version available then22:26
zhaozhouBULLE, Should be able to update then... right?22:26
zhaozhouPerhaps that's not nessesary.22:26
zhaozhouI'll read on.22:27
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brontidedneary: Ignoring him only works when 100% of the 1600 subscribers do so22:29
dnearybrontide: No22:29
dnearyIt works when all the ones who are replying to him rather than doing something more useful do so22:30
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BULLEzhaozhou: sure, update is possible22:40
BULLEzhaozhou: thats what i did22:40
BULLEzhaozhou: just used the nokia update program, plugged the n810 in via usb cable, and updated22:40
zhaozhouBULLE, Linux available application?22:42
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BULLEzhaozhou: hmmmm, i did it in windows, i found some instructions on how to do it in linux, but i found those to be a bit complex, and not that well outlined, so i just used windows22:43
BULLEzhaozhou: but it can be done from linux22:43
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zhaozhouFound it. :-) Thanks.22:53
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zhaozhouToo bad i'll have to erase my calendar though...22:56
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lcuki am writing the last 24hours off as a bad do, anyone feel today has been miserable?22:59
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zhaozhouWritten one minute to 12, nice.23:01
zhaozhoui think this has been a great day though23:01
lcuki just spent almost 3 hours hunter gathering for food - the worst part we ended up back at the local take away \@/23:05
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Fleckolets hope xchat doesn't crash this time23:07
Fleckohello all23:07
zhaozhouHa, hi there.23:07
Proteousmy remotly crashes Flecko's xchat23:07
lcukbrontide / jaffa - i sent a mail to community- enquiring about it - if we had a laptop and overhead cam setup a speaker could just put their device down and use it23:08
FleckoI think i crashed xchat because I typed /list when I got here instead of just using the gui button for the nick list.23:08
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FleckoI haven't been on irc in years...and I have no idea what a good client I'm just using the default ubuntu one.23:08
Proteousdoesn't /list output a channel list?23:08
bef0rdyes, /names23:09
Proteousalso /list is not a good thing to run23:09
lcukProteous, special maemo feature, its a shortcut to closing the app23:09
Fleckooh well23:09
FleckoIt seems to be working ok now.23:09
lcukprobably memory related23:09
lcukthe list is quite large23:09
FleckoI used to use bitchx...but I have lost the taste for console apps.23:09
Fleckoanywho....anyone here running deblet?23:09
Proteousit's usualy a bad idea to run /list due to the extreme amout of output23:09
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Proteoussome irc networks will kick you for it23:10
Fleckowell...back when I used to IRC a lot.../list gave you maybe 30 or so results.23:10
Proteousnow running /list with a partial match string is okay23:10
FleckoI've never been on freenode before...but I understand its quite large ;P23:11
lcukflecko, depends on the server you are using23:11
lcukif theres thousands of channels (as there are on freenode)23:11
FleckoI get it lcuk.23:11
Proteousare you sure? we could go on23:11
lcukare you sure? i could draw you a diagram :P23:12
Pebbyplease make it a venn diagram23:12
Pebbywith colors23:12
lcukProteous, stop it23:12
FleckoBelieve it or not though...I came here with a purpose.23:12
* Proteous formats a 1TB drive23:12
FleckoI'm having trouble getting wireless working under deblt.23:12
Fleckoer deblet.23:12
lcukis that to store the /list list?23:12
PebbyProteous: format it with squashfs!23:12
Fleckoany takers?23:13
lcukStskeeps, isnt deblet your domain?23:13
ProteousI only use file systems created by convicted murderers, sorry23:13
FleckoI get a list of networks using NetworkManager...but it never actually connects to them.23:13
FleckoHe appears to be idle ;P23:14
Proteousmy coices are somewhat limited but not nonexistant23:14
FleckoThat whole reiserFS thing was pretty weird.23:14
PebbyProteous: I hear the maker of squashfs tried to compress his wife23:14
lcukProteous, ahhh, so you are using ojfs23:14
Proteousyeah, I meet the guy at a LUG meeting23:14
Proteousseemed normal enough23:14
Fleckoheh...I wasn't ever sure he was normal.23:15
FleckoI mean, someone that invents their own file system probably doesn't operate on the same level as everyone else...23:15
lcukas most do, its unfortunate that people become broked in such a small timeframe23:15
Fleckobut most open source people aren't murderers I'd think.23:15
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lcukflecko, its not open source, its inventiveness itself :) everyone has a trigger23:16
lcukthankfully most dont ever have it pressed23:16
Proteousmy trigger is people eating open faced toasted cheese sandwiches in front of me23:16
FleckoI consider myself a fairly well adjusted person...murder is the least of my worries.23:17
Proteoussomething about droopy cheese...23:17
FleckoI call it toasted cheese as well...but in Maryland here, everyone seems to call it grilled cheese.23:17
ProteousI've heard/used both23:18
lcukProteous, do you feel the same way about something like a double bacon cheesebuger?  or would you let that slide?23:18
Proteousno, bacon is all good in my book23:18
lcuk\o/ its good in most peoples books23:19
lcukthe single greatest web portal known to man:
Fleckohah! I fixed my problem.23:19
FleckoThe wireless driver under deblet doesn't like your router on a channel other than 1.23:20
lcukfair enough ,its an OSS driver stack isnt it?23:20
lcukor does it use the origina maemo one23:21
Fleckocertain things don't work properly like signal strength..but everything else seems to be ok.23:21
lcukas long as it works23:22
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ProteousOMG bacon reddit is amazing23:24
Fleckohrm, I may have spoken too soon23:25
FleckoWhile I am connected to my wifi router, I don't appear to have a net connection.23:25
FleckoNo hostnames are resolving.23:25
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Proteousdhcp not working?23:26
Proteoususe a static IP23:26
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Fleckolet me give that a shot23:28
lcukProteous, it has increased bacon intake in our house.  everytime i go there i come away hungry23:29
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ProteousI like to buy the big bags of bacon scraps that the sell at the local megamart for cheap23:30
Proteousand use it in everything...23:30
FleckoI just had to freeze a 3lb pack of bacon because I can't eat it fast enough.23:31
lcukflecko, you are not thinking hard enough: cook and chop bacon, coat in mayo and eat as breakfast cereal23:31
lcukbacon vodka23:31
FleckoI usually just use it on sandwiches I eat at work.23:32
Fleckoand a strip or two for breakfast23:32
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lcukmy god ive just had a big indian and my mouth is waterin23:32
lcukmmm bacon curry23:33
* lcuk puts it on the list of things to try23:33
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Fleckoany clue on how to specify a statip IP with network manager?23:35
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Fleckoor am I going to have to force it with iwconfig?23:35
lbtbacon in pitta bread23:36
lbtanyhow - back to watching "Lost"23:36
lcuklol lbt23:36
lcukthat might just work - it would still be a blt then, just hcoose the salad and sauce correctly23:37
jotthmmmm did i hear bacon?23:38
lcuki mustv taken lardmans crown now23:39
lcukhow you doin jott23:39
jottah quite fine. still alot to do.23:39
jotttime is running :)23:39
lcuknot the only one, im sat here looking at a building site and wondering if the patio will be finished in time23:39
lcuk(metaphorically speaking of course)23:40
jottas long as you put some nice plants there ;)23:40
lcukyer, ive got all the pieces, it just needs assembling23:41
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GeneralAntillesIgnoring Darius Jack, now there's a novel idea.23:52
ProteousDarius Jack is a visionary23:53
Proteousa genius really23:53
jottdarius jack rocks! :)23:53
Proteousa testement to human accoplishment]23:53
Proteousand a great speller23:54
Proteoussomeone to look up to23:54
Proteousbut I hate him because he ate my cookie23:54
Proteousit was chocolate chip :/23:54
* Proteous cries23:54

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