IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-09-05

GeneralAntillesThat's what I'm after.00:00
jottGeneralAntilles: it returns all results that have "" in the url, so that should cover all wiki pages ;)00:00
jottbut a proper internal page would be better00:01
Stskeepsjott: after seeing people ask for ed2k for maemo i wonder their sanity..00:01
GeneralAntillesI know dneary has something from when the migration took place, anyway.00:01
dnearyGeneralAntilles: There was a wiki page with a list of all the pages00:01
dnearyI made it all by myself.00:01
GeneralAntillesFun stuff00:02
dnearyOn my ownsest00:02
jottStskeeps: you could walk around the street and use a foreign wlan to hide your traces :P00:02
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Stskeepsjott: true, true00:02
dneary ?00:02
Stskeepsbut then again i could do the same with a n810 + a laptop in the backpack connected through usb00:02
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GeneralAntillesThanks, I'm gonna go through and compile a list of pages which really need to die.00:06
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__twhy iss the so f***ing slow?00:09
GAN800Because the server is overloaded.00:10
GAN800upgrades are imminent.00:10
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__twho can do this?00:14
GeneralAntillesUpgrade the servers?00:15
GeneralAntillesThe people00:15
GeneralAntillesThey're working on it.00:15
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lardmanderf: there appears to be no difference even if I #define malloc to allocate 2* the requested data01:13
RST38hlardman <-- is in trouble01:14
lardmanyeah, annoying dsp-tremor errors :(01:15
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lardmanhmm, address of one of the buffers is still 101:20
lardmanwork=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work));01:21
lardman    dbg(&task_ivorbisidec,"_make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=%u, work=[%d,%d]\n",01:21
lardman            (ogg_uint16_t)sizeof(*work), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work & 0xffff), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work>>16 & 0xffff));01:21
lardman[224751.554687] _make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=2, work=[1,0]01:21
lardmanjust to finish it off01:21
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lardmanhmm, cast to unsigned but trying to output as signed, should check that01:22
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lardmanstill comes out as 1 anyway, not negative01:23
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puslinghi peoples.  is there a way to tell maemo mapper to download several map sizes of some areas (without having to "visit" them with maemo mapper ?01:24
lardmanyes, there's a dialog where you can set an area to download01:25
lardmanmanage maps I think01:25
lardmansomewhere in that menu anyway01:25
puslingand another issue - when travel 10-15 kilometres with the gps on on maemo mapper, it seems like maemo mapper is eating up all my memory. My simple guess would be that it never free'es cached pixmaps for areas you have been ?01:26
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lardmanpusling: no idea, does it depend on speed? You can always look at the source code in Garage01:27
* pusling doesn't really like sourcecode which uses libraries begininng with g.01:29
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lardmanah well01:30
qwerty12_N800If i make the file /etc/no_lg_reboots, do i have to reboot the tablet before it's picked up by dsme?01:32
lardmanno idea01:32
qwerty12_N800watchdog fuxed up my 2nd loong gnome debian install :)01:33
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lardmanargh, ran out of space for static (aka dbg text string) data01:37
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Chaniwhat's the relation between files I see in hte file browser on hte n810 and files I see when I plug it into my computer? how do I move files between the two?01:37
ChaniI copied music onto the device but don't know where it is (although I can play it), and I have pdfs in hte Documents folder that I need to get off the device before I flash it01:38
GeneralAntillescomputer is /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc201:38
GeneralAntillesInternal and External cards in File Manager01:38
GeneralAntilles /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc is the other01:38
GeneralAntillesYou don't want to keep things on the rootfs.01:38
ChaniI'm not seeing Internal or External01:38
GeneralAntillesOr whatever you have your cards named01:39
ChaniI don't have a flash card01:39
ChaniI've just got the usb cable01:39
GeneralAntillesThen you're not mounting anything on the computer.01:39
lardmanWindows should still see the built-in internal one, unless there;s something using it when you attach the usb cable01:39
GeneralAntillesOh, right.01:39
ChaniI am. I plug it into hte computer and I see Music, Video, tmp, map01:39
lardmanon a new drive letter?01:39
GeneralAntilles /media/mmc201:40
lardmannew mount point then?01:40
ChaniI am using hte n810 at the same time01:40
Chaniit decided to put it on /media/disk01:40
lardmansounds about right01:40
puslinghi Chani01:40
lardmanthat's the internal flash memory01:40
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Chanion hte n810 file manager, I see things like Documents, Images, etc... a completely different set of folders01:42
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GeneralAntillesUnplug the N81001:42
GeneralAntillesScroll down on the left column01:42
lardmanChani: at the bottom of the list (on the left hand side), it should have an entry for a memory card01:42
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lardmanbut not while the usb cable is plugged in!01:42
Chanioh. huh01:43
Chaniso I have to unplug, transfer files, then plug in again01:43
lardmanor use sftp over wifi, etc.01:44
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ChaniI forgot this thing had xterm01:44
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lardmanyou'll need to install openssh on the N81001:44
lardmanstill need to unplug the cable to allow the n810 to see the card though01:45
Chaniyeah, not having ssh bites. but I wanna flash it before I install any more stuff01:45
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Chaniso I hear there's a backup utility to get bookmarks and such off the device. does that run in linux? or can I just cp hte relevant folders over to the usb-accessible folder myself?01:46
lardmanbackup runs on the n810 and saves data to one of the cards01:47
qwerty12_N800Chani: unplug the cable, cp -ar ~/MyDocs/ /media/mmc2, plug in the cable, et volia your documents are there01:47
Chanioh. huh01:47
lardmanbut I'd copy stuff like mp3s manually01:47
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Chaniahh, I see where the settings are...01:49
Chanihooray for nice standard linux stuff :)01:49
lardmanwhat are you flashing to? sometimes the settings are not compatible01:49
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ChaniI dunno, whatever the latest thing is01:50
Chaniwill incompatible settings fail nicely, or break stuff?01:50
lardmanwhat do you have atm?>01:50
lardmanbreak probably01:50
Chaniwhatever came on the device01:50
* Chani wonders if there's space to just back up everything wholesale and sort it out later01:51
qwerty12_N800chinook i presume as it's an n81001:51
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lardmanbed time for me, night all01:53
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Chaniohh interesting. you'd think that /home would be on mmc2, really, but no...01:53
Chanigood thing I didn't fill up / with all the photos I took01:54
qwerty12_N800i don't think nokia planned to put ~ on a vfat fs personally...01:54
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Chaniahh. yeah, just tried to cp -ar and it's complaining about not being able to set ownership...01:56
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tank-manprobably cause fat dont support permissions01:57
Chaniso there's two gigs of vfat storage but only 256m on /01:57
Mekyou can easily reformat the vfat to something else, if you don't intend to use it with a windows pc01:58
Chanigood point01:58
Chaniof course, I'll probably just end up buying a nice big card for it. what type of card does it take? I've never bought one before01:59
* Chani hasn't got much in the way of modern gadgets :)01:59
qwerty12_N800Chani: you can clone the 256mb flash onto the 2gb and boot from it02:00
Chanibut it might make sense to leave / alone for hte most part. maybe reformat the 2gb and mount it on /home02:01
Mekyeah, that's also what I did... made it easier to play around with (still quite large) kde packages :)02:01
Chanibut then it'd get automagically unmounted when I plugged it into a computer?02:01
Chaniyeah, I want koffice now :D02:01
Mekno, if you use the 2gb as / I don't think you can access it from a computer anymore02:02
Chaniactually, what I want most is akregator. and ssh02:02
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Chaniand ogg-theora codecs :P02:04
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dirtyrice88VERY HARD02:21
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, guess what. :P02:25
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ccookeHas anyone had any luck getting google gears to work on Diablo?02:31
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Chanianyone happen to know where exactly browser passwords are stored? some of mine have typos and it seems impossible to overwrite them from the ui02:49
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Chaniaha. found the file02:51
Chanibut of course it's not plaintext02:51
ChaniI wonder if I can selectively nuke only the invalid ones...02:51
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ccookeThere really isn't any other option but the default app for RSS reading, is there?03:10
Pebbystupid question about .deb packaging for libraries... I'm spitting out .deb files, but the data.tar.gz file only contains a bunch of /usr/share/doc/ files - any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?03:11
ccookePebby: what are you using to create the deb?03:12
Pebbyfollowing instructions at - using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage03:13
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Edgesterhow do I check my karma on
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Chaniccooke: I'm hoping to get akregator on there but I've no idea how much effort that'll take03:33
Chanialthough... who knows, maybe there's alreayy a package for it03:34
EdgesterGeneralAntilles: Thanks! now I'm bummed. No karma. I guess two or three releases of openafs on maemo extras doesn't count :(03:38
MekChani: I get the hint, I'll start packaging kdepim :P03:39
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ChaniMek: seriously, kdepim could be a really good thing to have on there. probably with ui tweaks, but...03:40
Mekyeah, I agree; pim is probably one of the main functions you'd use such a device03:40
Chanimail, twitter and IM are 90% of what I use that thing for, and I keep wishing I had akregator and my irc connection on it03:41
GeneralAntillesXChat is available. . . .03:41
Chaniwhen I'm wandering around campus it's great being able to chat. better thn a phone :)03:41
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ChaniGeneralAntilles: I have irssi running in a screen session. backscroll matters to me, especially with hte frequent disconnects on campus03:41
Chaniso really I just need to install ssh asap03:42
Chanior I could find out if quassel runs on this thing ):03:42
GeneralAntillesIt's right in Extras.03:42
Chaniok, this thing is probably charged enough to flash... I really really wish it had an indication of how charged it is03:43
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GeneralAntillesJust plug the power back in once it starts flashing.03:43
Chanibut that would make sense! ;)03:44
Chanihuh, the wallpaper makes me think of kde...03:49
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Chanioh neat, mmc2 wasn't overwritten03:56
GeneralAntillesWhy would it be?03:57
GeneralAntillesFlashing only touches the internal NAND03:57
evaryontIs it possible to watch .mov or .mp4 videos on the n800?03:57
evaryontwhen I do, in canola, Meida Player, mplayer or mediabox, it's choppy, though the audio progresses alright03:58
evaryontactually, in .mov files, the video stalls & scrambles after the first few frames, though, again, the audio is fine03:58
GeneralAntillesmp4 implies h.26403:59
GeneralAntillesWhich is just a touch heavy for the tablets.03:59 can be a variety of things, but generally those things are bad.03:59
GeneralAntillesStick to .avi with XviD video and MP3 audio at no more than 44.103:59
evaryontdarn. the mp4s are from Youtube - I'm guessing those are h.264 since it wants to push HQ vids04:00
GeneralAntillesCanola has a YouTube plugin04:00
evaryontalright, got the magical one liner mencoder call that'll sort everything out for me? :)04:00
GeneralAntillesYou can access YouTube stuff directly.04:00
evaryontya, but those are .flv :/04:00
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RST38hmplayer will play flv04:24
RST38hno problem there04:24
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gregoroviusdoes the lack of software updates have anything to do with the upcoming maemo summit?04:30
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gregoroviusor it's just everyone in the community suddenly got super-lazy?04:30
GeneralAntillesSome people have big things planned for the Summit.04:31
GeneralAntillesPeople get more and less busy as the year progresses.04:31
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gregoroviusi hope to see some good things released, but the lack of regular updates is awkward... I run arch linux, if a day goes without updated packages, something's wrong04:38
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GeneralAntillesThere's a helluva lot more packages in Arch04:43
RST38h "There is no surprise that americans are the most generous people in history."04:43
RST38h[overheard from TV]04:44
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RST38hgregorovius: a lot of people take vacations in August and September is the beginning of school year for the students04:45
gregoroviusah, the northern hemisphere04:45
gregoroviusI didn't think about that04:46
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dystopiaeternal september:-)04:52
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RST38hTransmission got updated! Who said there are no updates? =)05:07
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n800mhere's the coolest disclaimer ever05:10
n800mNote: SEO (Search Engine Optimization) results are of fictional nature, the results below are for SE optimized site listing only. There is a however a good chance that in the future this particular search term will yield results for this download. Search Engine Optimization is common practice amongst websites of this nature.05:10
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RST38hMcCain is skipping a little bit, has somebody scratched CD before inserting it into him?05:34
Chaniwhy are there under a dozen applications in the n810's package manager? am I going to have to edit the sources.list manually?05:37
Chanimost importatntly, how do I get ssh onto it?05:37
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infobotextras is, like,
RST38hChani: Some of your repositories are disabled or missing05:38
GeneralAntillesEither follow the manual instructions or open the .install on that page on the N810.05:38
Chanihmm. I keep forgetting these apps have a menu05:38
mgedmin mccain photo.jpg05:42
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RST38h"We will drill 'em now!"05:45
RST38hIs this guy a dentist? =)05:45
gregoroviusRST38h: what are you watching?05:46
RST38hgregoro: a TV downstairs is showing McCain's speech05:46
dystopiahe's a drilling machine from the matrix05:47
gregoroviuscnn is broadcasting it here as well05:48
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RST38hhe is a patient from an insane azylum05:49
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gregoroviusat least he seems to be able to speak coherently05:50
gregoroviusunlike some other prez05:51
RST38hwell, he is skipping a little bit05:51
Chaniis there a package for ssh-agent?05:51
RST38hbut there are packages for ssh client and server05:51
Chanidarn. I get disconnected a lot at school and my passphrase is looong05:51
Chanimaybe I should just make another key with a shorter passphrase. or maybe I should figure out how to make a package for ssh-agent05:52
gregoroviusare people cheering for 'war scars'?05:54
Chani ohhh god what small resolution05:55
Chanibut yaaaay! ssh!05:55
GeneralAntillesChani, lussh?05:55
Chaniso can i shrink the text size of this xterm?05:56
GeneralAntillesThe giant +/- buttons on top. . . .05:56
Chanii only get 9 lines of chat :)05:56
Chanioh. cool. i keep forgetting there are buttons behind the screen05:57
Chanioh crud. no alt key05:58
Chanihow do you guys get around that?05:58
RST38hget an external kbd05:58
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Chanino, i'm usually wandering around campus05:59
RST38hwhat do you need alt for anyway?05:59
Chanikinda ruins the portability ;)05:59
RST38hget Nokia E70 :)05:59
Chaniin irssi, for switching windows easily05:59
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RST38hok, instead of irssi use xchat06:00
RST38hand instead of n8x0 use e70 :)06:00
gregoroviusyou can probably bind that action to another key06:00
RST38hno? then suffer you will!06:00
Chanithere are reasons i'm using irssi06:00
Chaniand i dunno what an e70 is but i assume i can't afford it06:01
Chanigregorovius: there's a terrible lack of keys to choose from, though06:02
ChaniRST38h: laziness.06:02
RST38hEnlist in our armed forces!06:02
RST38hChani: basically, either use XChat or suffer06:03
RST38hChani: There is a MENU key at the left-bottom corner of the keyboard, so you can use that for ALT, but in the end you will still suffer06:03
GeneralAntillesYou can bind an alt06:03
Chanimaybe i'll bind the extra shift to alt someday06:05
derfChani: Esc, then the window number.06:05
RST38hESC is the back-arrow key at the left of your screen06:05
derfUsing X-Chat _is_ suffering.06:06
RST38hit's ok06:06
RST38hnot perfect but few things are06:06
Chaniderf: thanks06:06
derfAdmittedly, I haven't used it since 2002, but back then it was pretty bad.06:06
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Chanihrm. this white bg makes yellow text evil06:07
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RST38hChani: [sadistically] XChat has configurable bg color ;)06:08
elektthat's my new avatar06:08
elektand my first ever06:08
gregoroviusosso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed06:10
gregoroviusnot again06:10
RST38hthat's right06:10
gregoroviusnow apt doesn't let me get anything06:11
GeneralAntillesHave you been screwing with repositories?06:11
GeneralAntillesAlternatively: How'd you get to 30-2?06:11
gregoroviusI have a kernel with rotation, might that be it?06:11
GeneralAntillesShouldn't be.06:12
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gregoroviusI don't have many repos06:12
gregoroviusI just enabled chinook extras to get a package from there06:12
gregoroviusI only have the sliderotate repo, kulve's and a tiny one for pidgin led plugin06:13
gregorovius(and the 4 stock ones, ofc)06:14
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gregoroviusany ideas?06:17
RST38hok, could you check what repositories osso-software-version-rx34 and kernel-diablo-flasher are coming from?06:19
RST38hyou may want to disable repo that has  2.6.21-200823maemo3 so that the older  2.6.21-200823maemo1 pops up instead06:19
gregoroviushow could I?06:19
RST38hmmm...a moment06:19
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RST38hapt-cache with some option should do it06:22
gregoroviusI can't see any, and I'm not sure actually if dpkg knows where each package comes from06:24
RST38hthis data should be somewhere06:25
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ToyKeeperCan I just add debian/armel feeds to my apt sources and install stuff on top of diablo?  Or is that likely to break everything?06:30
ToyKeeperIt'd' be nice to have a few things I don't see in maemo-specific feeds, like xchat.06:30
RST38hyou can find maemo xchat using google06:30
GeneralAntillesXChat is available. . . .06:30
GeneralAntillesIt's in Extras-devel06:30
infobotmethinks extras is
ToyKeeperAh, thanks.06:31
RST38hsorry, it is an os2007 version06:31
RST38hget os2008 one form extras-devel ans GA says06:32
ToyKeeperThat was just an example, though apparently a bad one.  Is it insane to add debian/armel feeds?06:32
RST38hnot insane but no guarantees this stuff will work06:32
RST38hthe lib versions these apps depend off may be completely different from maemo ones06:33
GeneralAntilles90% of the stuff wont work.06:34
GeneralAntillesYou can compile source packages fairly easily.06:34
GeneralAntillesBut the binaries generally wont work.06:34
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elektbinaries are so 200706:34
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gregoroviusPackage: kernel-diablo-flasher; Version: 2.6.21-200823maemo3;  This here is the latest diablo kernel compiled in DIABLO_ARMEL with the rotation stuff applied by qwerty12.06:40
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gregoroviusit IS sliderotate's fault06:40
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GeneralAntillesThat guy makes some crappy packages. . . .06:40
gregoroviusis there an alternative kernel I can get somewhere?06:41
gregoroviusthat's why I'm not getting updates, apt-get update fails with that error06:41
RST38hone more reason to have this stuff as part of the OFFICIAL kernel06:42
GeneralAntillesIt actually wouldn't be an issue if Nokia weren't being such a hooker about updating the sources.06:44
GeneralAntillesqwerty12 would've updated the kernel package within 24 hours of 30-2 being out and all would be well.06:44
RST38hguess it is not the top priority for Nokia =(06:44
RST38halso, relying on qwerty12 to update a package every time Nokia sneezes is expecting too much from qwerty. He is human, not a script06:46
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gregoroviushe ought to be scripted one of this days06:47
elektsliderotate was the biggest mistake i installed06:49
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gregoroviusI just reflashed the old kernel06:51
gregoroviusfor the 2nd time06:51
gregoroviusnot gonna happen again06:52
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GeneralAntillesHehe, booting Maemo on the Beagle aint goin' so well.06:53
GeneralAntillesWonder if I could flash an initfs image onto the Beagle NAND. . . .06:54
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rob2087can anyone recommend an osx like launcher?06:56
GeneralAntillesOS X has a launcher?06:56
GeneralAntillesDo you mean Dock?06:56
GeneralAntillesOr Quicksilver?06:56
rob2087yes, a dock for maemo06:56
GeneralAntillesPersonal Launch06:57
RST38hrob2087: Personal Launcher06:57
GeneralAntillesShould be in Extras by now06:57
GeneralAntillesmaybe Extra-devel06:57
RST38hSomething is telling me Maemo won't boot on the beagle as is06:57
rob2087cool, thanks guys, I will check it out06:57
GeneralAntillesToo many hardware checks06:57
RST38hDifferent SoC ==> different initialization sequence06:57
GeneralAntillesI have to figure out who took the pictures of it running on a Beagle and ask them how they did it.06:58
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dystopiaare kernel sources that important? can grab the config from /proc06:59
GeneralAntillesWhen you're compiling custom kernels and you want to keep up-to-date with Nokia's latest, then, yeah, kernel sources are important.07:00
dystopiaand there are so many kernel patches07:01
dystopiawhy dont they just run some kind of GIT tree07:02
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ToyKeeperwoots for xchat!  It's much nicer than pidgin-irc...07:07
RST38hushare vs mediatomb vs gmediaserver07:08
RST38hany opinions?07:08
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_ken_I'm reading the Wikipedia page on Maemo and it states that "Despite being based on Linux and open source software in general, some parts of the Maemo remain closed source. Particularly the Wifi drivers, which contain a binary blob, and some user-space software, like certain statusbar and taskbar applets (including the display brightness applet) and applications.[citation needed]"07:33
_ken_Is this actually true?07:33
_ken_so only the wifi drivers and some userspace apps?07:34
gregoroviusI learnt that post-purchase07:35
Stskeeps_ken_: in effect it doesnt matter too much except we're stuck with 2.6.21ish07:35
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and i don't know what to guess (your message as of 5 hours ago when i was asleep :P)07:36
_ken_GeneralAntilles: is there anything else part from the wifi drivers and those apps - any other surprises?07:37
GeneralAntillesSome libraries07:37
GeneralAntillesJeebus that took forever to load07:38
GeneralAntillesIt boots. ;)07:38
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: scary ;)07:38
_ken_GeneralAntilles: not proprietary libc I hope :-)07:39
Stskeepshost mode should be a matter of correct kernel + modules07:39
johnx_ken_, to name the most important closed source code, IMHO: browser ui, media player, some dsp tasks07:39
GeneralAntillesThere's a list on the wiki now, I think.07:39
* GeneralAntilles wonders what the hell is up with his internet.07:39
Stskeepsand DSME/BME07:39
Stskeepsbut they're not that relevant cos dsme protocol has been mostly documented and hald-addon-bme is a solid drop in package07:40
johnxah, the battery charging code will be potentially troublesome to some degree...07:41
Stskeepsjohnx: i haven't really run into a situation where i needed to do something actively to make it charge though07:42
johnxStskeeps, well that's cause you're still running bme right?07:43
Stskeepsjohnx: i didn't have hald-addon-bme initially and i believe it charged07:43
Stskeepsjust didnt report when it was done and stuff07:43
johnxyeah, I just mean the actual thing that runs out of initfs07:44
Stskeepsoh, i didn't know fedora core was ported to armel07:44
Stskeepsthat's interesting because of moblin 2.007:44
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_ken_GeneralAntilles: I'd found it too.  thanks so much08:05
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_ken_this seems to contain more details, although it does not mention the reasons for keeping those packages closed08:06
GeneralAntillesNo, that's coming later.08:06
GeneralAntillesBut, basically, most of it can be summed up by "competitive advantage", Nokia IP, or just straight laziness.08:07
_ken_yes, that's mentioned in these pages ,
GeneralAntillesUI stuff can be chalked up to stupid management thinking that it gives them an advantage over competition.08:08
GeneralAntillesWhich is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, strong open source code. ;)08:09
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Which is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, stronger open source code. ;)08:09
_ken_I've also come across this bug  It would be great to see it closed :-)08:10
Stskeepsi can't take a bug report seriously that cites the DFSG08:11
GeneralAntilles_ken_, I think Nokia is moving in the right direction08:12
GeneralAntillesThey're certainly more open than they were 3 years ago.08:13
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GeneralAntillesThere's a lot of corporate inertia moving in the wrong direction to overcome, though.08:13
_ken_GeneralAntilles: yes, it seems so to me - that's why I've become interested in this08:13
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johnxthat mini note from HiVision looks kind of interesting08:16
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GeneralAntillesWoo, China.08:21
GeneralAntillesIt's made entirely out of lead and cadmium08:21
johnxoh totally08:21
johnxthat's the best part08:21
johnxI haven't had a chance to play with much MIPS stuff though...08:21
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johnxalso, bloggers that don't know anything about linux and non-x86 platforms are hi-larious08:23
GeneralAntilles"Would be just the thing for running Google's new Chrome browser — that is, if the Chrome browser supported Linux."08:26
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GeneralAntillesOr MIPS, even. . . .08:26
johnxI really hope they don't do another "port" with libwine...08:26
GeneralAntillesChrome is so much hype08:27
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GeneralAntillesI like how it's managing to jump into completely unrelated stories.08:27
* johnx shrugs08:27
johnxI'm hearing nice things about it08:27
* GeneralAntilles just wonders how much money Google is pumping into the "blogosphere" :P08:28
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johnxs/about it/about it, from people I know aren't getting google money/08:28
infobotjohnx meant: I'm hearing nice things about it, from people I know aren't getting google money08:28
Khertan_n810Hi !08:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, anyways, google doesn't need to pay off people to hype its products. Anything they touch immediately gets hyped almost as much as an apple product...08:31
johnxhey Khertan_n810. How's coding going?08:31
Khertan_n810hum ... too slowly08:32
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Khertan_n810but mCalendar will be ready for the summit08:34
Khertan_n810and i hope mContacts have a first release08:35
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Khertan_n810GtkWarning: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 750 and height -909:12
Khertan_n810someone have an idea where this warning come from ?09:13
Khertan_n810i ven t any widget sized to -909:13
Khertan_n810does -9 mean something like -1 mean autoresize ?09:14
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ToyKeeperMaybe the parent widget is too small, and it tried to resize a child widget to a negative value.09:15
Khertan_n810other thing i set on  glade that a gtk button can t get focus but this property widget doesn t seems to work on maemo09:15
Khertan_n810ToyKeeper : it the only explanation that i ve found too ... but i can t find which widget is09:16
ToyKeeperGlade is a neat tool for prototyping UIs.  But the UI should generally be converted to regular code before release.09:17
Khertan_n810ToyKeeper ... hum right for a c programm09:18
Khertan_n810but it s not recommended to do this in python09:18
melmothrandom post but may be related
Khertan_n810but found which widget generate this warning isn t easy09:21
moontigerKhertan_n810, hi :)  i do my ui in code fyi09:26
moontigernot saying its the best but it works09:26
Khertan_n810yep it work09:26
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Khertan_n810but doing it in glade optimize things09:26
Khertan_n810as code is managing by a c compiled lib09:27
Khertan_n810there isn t many ndifferences09:27
Khertan_n810but there is :)09:27
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dnearyhi all09:39
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moontigerKhertan_n810, i will investigate ... thnx :)09:48
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mikkov_How do I launch browser from command line?10:53
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KhertanHi !10:57
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KhertanThere is only few candidate for the Maemo Council10:57
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KhertanFrom what i understand only few people can vote, and will receive a mail ...10:58
GeneralAntillesYeah, not many people decided to run. :\10:58
GeneralAntillesLots of people can vote10:58
GeneralAntillesEverybody with a account more than 3 months old.10:58
KhertanGeneralAntilles: i ll like ... but i haven't enough time10:58
GeneralAntillesWe've got 7 candidates.10:58
GeneralAntillesWhich is more than 5, anyway.10:58
KhertanGeneralAntilles: lol i see only 4 ...10:58
GeneralAntillesWhere, exactly, are you looking? :)10:59
Khertan ...10:59
Khertanhum ... the box say 7 but don't see tim nor simon pickering11:00
GeneralAntillesI see everybody.11:00
Khertanlol ... don't use google chrome ... at least not to see the list :)11:00
Khertani got the entire list with firefox11:00
KhertanHum ... does the email have been already sent ?11:01
briandis ryan in here trying to do some electioneering???  hmm??11:01
briand<-- didn't get an email.  :(11:01
briand(and my account is about 8 months old)11:01
GeneralAntillesHrm, that sounds bad.11:02
GeneralAntillesemail on the account valid and whatnot?11:02, i can pretend to vote for whoever I want.  :)  I can even pretend to vote multiple times.11:02
GeneralAntillesdneary, ping.11:02
briandoh, yes.. of course.11:02
melmothKhertan: 1249     Sep 03 dneary@maemo.or (  31) Maemo Community Council election - voting instructions11:02
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dnearybriand: What's your email address? I'll check if you were in the database11:03
melmothkeesj: that was the mail subject and its post date11:03
dnearyKhertan: Where are you looking that you only see 4 candidates?11:03
GeneralAntillesThe wiki11:04
GeneralAntillesHe's got a broken browser, or something. :P11:04
Khertandneary: don't bother with this ... it s a bug of google chrome11:04
Khertanthe page is truncated11:04
Khertani ven't get the mail too11:05
briandso, in other news:  Viewsonic couldn't repair my in-warranty VX924 19" LCD monitor... so they sent me a brand new VX1940w wide-screen 19" HD monitor to replace it.  :D11:05's very nice.11:05
dnearyKhertan: I ven't?11:05
brianddneary: did u get my email addy?   turbo@talstar.com11:05
dnearybriand: Will check11:06
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dnearybriand: Don't have you in the maemo accounts list11:07
dnearyWhat's your name?11:07
briandBrian Dunworth11:07
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_marcell_briand: says you are a member since 2008-08-18.11:10
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briand_marcell_: that would be the date I signed up as a -developer- on the OMWeather project11:11
briandbut i created an account on maemo when my N800 arrived in february11:11
_marcell_briand: well, accounts are created on garage and replicated to So it is not possible to have a account and not have a garage account at any given point in time.11:12
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briandi'm not arguing whether your relational databases are synchronized or not.. nor am I claiming to have an account on maemo and not garage, etc...  I'm just saying that 08-18-08 is the day I used my account and joined the OMWeather project.11:14
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briandif the previous history of my existence has disappeared from your files... then, well, whatever.11:15
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JaffaMorning, all11:20
briandin any case, i'm going to bed.  been up since 23 hours ago, and getting sleepy.11:20
briandg'morning Jaffa... and good night.  :)11:21
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Jaffa_marcell_: given the problems historically had with (garage.) account synchronisation, I could believe briand - although I've not seen any of the code doing the syncing11:22
briandJaffa: don't sweat it.  ain't no biggie, anyway.  :)11:23
briandyou've already got representation in Tallahassee.    ...and, he's on the ballot.  :)11:23
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briandpeace out... bed is callin'...  ;)11:25
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mikkov_my tablet seems to be in wsod state. I can ssh in, but hildon-desktop is somehow screwed11:39
mikkov_could somebody ls -l /usr/share/themes/Default from tablet?11:40
bef0rddrwxr-xr-x root: root11:50
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cityLightsteamcobra, yes it does make sense to use a new SD to test diablo12:18
cityLightsif it fails, I can go back to chinnok12:19
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cityLightsI still can't see
cityLightseven using google cache...12:20
GAN800Give it an hour.12:21
cityLightsGAN800 thanks,12:21
cityLightsI am asking sevral times to make sure I got it12:21
cityLightsthis is as the SD has my home directory with importent files12:22
tekojo1_marcell_ will take a look at the wiki in a short while, I'm still too noob to do it12:22
cityLightsso I need to make sure that if I overwrite files , when coping files from flash to SD - I wont kill my N80012:22
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GAN800I really hope the server upgrades help the apache crashes12:23
crashanddieYou know the HR guy is a non-techie when you see this: Knowledge of three the following programming languages essential {Ruby, Java, C#, C++, HTTP, Perl, SQL, Visual Basic, .NET}12:24
GAN800having a wiki serve up blank pages 20-50% of the time makes it really hard to help people. :/12:24
JaffaGAN800: What's the priority of the bug #? Probably should be bumped to max.12:24
* GAN800 programs a virus for crashanddie in http12:25
bef0rdlol http12:25
GAN800ferenc was working on it, but he didn't know why the crashes were happening12:25
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crashanddieSQL is hardly a programming language either ;)12:25
cityLightsok thanks , I will wait12:25
GAN800Jaffa, priorities are set by the team. :P12:26
crashanddieGAN800, I thought this was taken care of?12:26
JaffaGAN800: Impact or something then. This is a critical issue, it can't be dealt with normal timebox^Wsprint planning. P1 bugs take priority over everything else in the Real World[TM].12:26
GAN800What was?12:26
crashanddieGAN800, the blank wiki pages12:27
_marcell_the empty wiki page loads are most probably caused by the high load on the mysql server12:27
GAN800Jaffa, waiting on thes server upgrades.12:27
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cityLightsbut you guys did help me12:27
crashanddiethat's a lie12:28
crashanddieI never helped you12:28
tekojo1Working on the server side, but as said I am new12:28
crashanddie_marcell_, what's the httpd?12:28
crashanddiethen I highly doubt it12:29
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crashanddieApache's default behaviour is the serve each and every single request12:29
_marcell_as long as it can12:29
crashanddieno matter if it takes an eternity and a half12:29
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crashanddiePlus, if you have PHP setup in a way that it doesn't even tell when the SQL connection was broken, you guys need to start thinking about the word "verbose"12:30
GAN800If only all of worked as well as bugzilla.12:30
crashanddieif only all of maemo worked as well as ME :D12:31
crashanddieGAN800, isn't it quite late for you?12:31
GAN800Not at all? :P12:31
crashanddieGAN800, like... 4.30?12:31
cityLightsI'll be back....12:31
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crashanddieget yourself to bed, playboy12:31
GAN800I'm being useless and watching some NOVA special12:31
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crashanddieGAN800, you wouldn't have someone in your family called Xavier, btw?12:32
crashanddieNo french family somewhere?12:33
GAN800Highly unlikely12:33
GAN800I've got a cousin in Japan at the moment12:33
crashanddieI have this friend, who also happened to be one of my teachers at some point, who's called Xavier Abel12:33
crashanddieI chuckle everytime I see an email from you on the mailing list12:33
GAN800But the rest of us came over from Scottland/Ireland/Germany/Wales in the 1700s :P12:34
crashanddieoh, you did, did you?12:35
crashanddieI thought you were part of the natives, all that12:35
* GAN800 is Highlander12:35
crashanddieThen take that friggin blade of yours and shave yourself12:35
GAN800Shaky hands, dun wanna lose an ear12:36
crashanddieNot a painting fan then eh?12:36
crashanddieGod I sound Canadian when I say that "eh"12:36
GAN800I actually had a friend try to get his gf to convince me to shave it12:37
GAN800but she deciced it looked to good when she finally met me. :P12:37
infobotGAN800 meant: but she deciced it looked too good when she finally met me. :P12:38
crashanddieShe blind I reckon?12:38
crashanddieI hate beards12:39
crashanddieIt's come up to a point I know have to walk around with a straight blade12:40
crashanddieand everytime I see a guy with a beard12:40
crashanddieI cut it off12:40
crashanddieno lubricant, no cream, no pre-shave12:40
crashanddiehardcore hard care12:40
* GAN800 'll be carying when you come over here for the next summit. :P12:40
crashanddie"over here"? Next summit in the US?12:40
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GAN800I've decided, yes.12:41
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crashanddieoh, ok12:41
crashanddiewell, I say we go with the drift of the earth12:41
crashanddienext summit in Asia12:41
crashanddieand the one after that in the US12:41
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crashanddieI saw a job, and thought "why not?", until I saw "* Tolerate tight deadlines and stress and alleviate it by applying your strong time management skills"12:44
JaffaHeh, nice.12:44
crashanddieI mean, most job offers don't care about that, because well, we're quite used to the fact it's going to be stressy and there's going to be shitty deadlines12:45
crashanddieBut when they say it... Isn't it like exponentially more extreme?12:45
crashanddieAs in, "no reference = normal levels of stress radiations", "explicit warning = probability of death: 100%"12:46
GAN800'Knives . . . lots and lots of knives'12:46
GAN800Somebody make that cool now.12:48
crashanddieeverybody sing along: "Should I shave or let it grow now?"12:50
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teamcobraI just had an epiphany about 5 mins ago re: the next Big Tablet Thing(TM)... now I need to just need to get some backing ;p ;p13:25
Jaffateamcobra: oh?13:26
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teamcobraJaffa: yeah, a few very useful addons, some are fairly cheap13:30
teamcobrabut to be really useful, the actual device would be arm11 based, multiple sound dsps (and could probably sell for a few k, although $500 would be the _sweet_ spot)13:31
teamcobraone of the others is so wickedly easy that I might have a working unit by tomorrow night, and I imagine nokia could sell them for ~$20 (maybe $25 w/ different brackets for the s-series/other smartphones)13:34
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JaffaGoing to share? ;-)13:36
dnearyCan anyone confirm bug #3677 for me, please?13:36
dnearyCould someone try to add a comment to a product?13:36
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teamcobraJaffa, did I just hear you smack your forehead?13:38
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_marcell_dneary: yep, comments are not displayed after a reload.13:43
Jaffadneary: confirmed (comment added)13:44
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Khertan_n810ping ?13:50
Khertan_n810what do you think of this :
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teamcobraKhertan_n810, strangely enough, didn't take me to a screenshot ;p13:51
Knirchbad url? I got the blog here13:51
Knirch(interesting 404 behaviour :D)13:51
Khertan_n810oups sorry13:51
teamcobraKhertan, very clean :)13:52
JaffaKhertan_n810: Oh, that's much better.13:52
teamcobraKhertan_n810, does that happen to support ical, or just google calendars?13:53
Khertan_n810google cal13:53
Khertan_n810how do u make a sync with an ical file ?13:53
teamcobraKhertan_n810, I will find out for you... I run portal servers by day and they all have built-in ical calendaring ;p13:54
JaffaKhertan_n810: would also be good if, like the OS X Calendar icon, the number shown was appropriate in the icon. Then you could have the existing flip day thing for day and no label underneath it on the bottom bar; a month-planner type icon (even though it doesn't render like that), superimposed with the week number and a similar one for the month. The last icon's agenda or something isn't it? Not immediately obvious from the clok.13:54
JaffaKhertan_n810: the other big improvement, if you can't pick up calendar colours from Google Cal (which would be *sooo* cool) is to have alternating rows in different colours in the main view.13:54
JaffaKhertan_n810: I suppose colours from Google Calendar is only most useful when you've got multiple calendars; until then alternating colours would help break up the list.13:55
Khertan_n810i plan to make alternate color ... but google color and alternate couldn t be used at the same time13:56
JaffaKhertan_n810: Oh, that reminds me, totally un-UI related feature request: ability to turn off alarm setting.13:56
Khertan_n810and processing image take too many time in python13:56
Khertan_n810but good  idea13:56
JaffaKhertan_n810: indeed; alternate colour if only one calendar and google cal colours if multiple configured (which, they can't be yet ;-))13:56
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Khertan_n810alarm setting can be turn off in this version13:56
JaffaKhertan_n810: excellent :-)13:56
JaffaKhertan_n810: does the 'Add' button add it back up to Google Cal when you sync?13:57
JaffaKhertan_n810: Sorry, badly explained. The plus button on the bottom right adds a new event, n'est pas? If the user adds an event, will it be added to the Google Calendar when they sync, or is it purely local?13:58
Khertan_n810Jaffa: don t understand the  question13:58
Khertan_n810no it s added at sync13:59
Khertan_n810it s a two way full sync13:59
Khertan_n810the only thing at this time that is not sync is the 'who'13:59
Khertan_n810but it s planned14:00
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teamcobraKhertan_n810,  <--- another pygtk project, and if google didn't fail me, supports ical ;)14:15
Khertan_n810i ll take a look14:16 currently offline14:20
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ustunozgurdoes scrobbling work with default media player? the control panel applet says: Status: Awaiting, but doesn't scrobble tracks.14:22
teamcobraKhertan_n810, sweet, I'm not much of a coder myself, but I am learning pygame now to make an app :) the only 2 languages I really know are basic and x86 asm, but I'll have fun :)14:22
* lcuk has voted14:23
lcukjaffa, i see others are trying vala on the device :) its good to know14:24
Jaffalcuk: cool & cool.14:25
lcukive been pondering seeing which languages come closest to native c in compilation speed14:26
konttoriustunozgur: nope. it only works on 3rd party players14:27
konttoriustunozgur: the default media player is not announcing what is being played14:27
ustunozgurkonttori: ah, ok, but I remember it used to do that too. maybe in os 2007 I don't know. So, as it is, it is not much useful, is it? canola already has scrobbling in it.14:28
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crashanddiedjeezus, people, stop using a ass backwards language on a sub-power device14:44
crashanddieteamcobra, I'm sure you love it python is close to your nickname, but please, learn a real language14:45
lcuknothing wrong with python :P hiya btw14:45
crashanddiehey bro14:45
* lcuk was considering putting a python interface in14:45
crashanddieand yeah, there's something wrong with python14:46
crashanddieit's slow14:46
crashanddieit's dog slow14:46
crashanddieit's memory inefficient, it's bloathed, I mean, the only thing that's positive about it is that it has very decent OO concepts14:46
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lcukno, people are trying to use python for a full language, it should be used as glue to bind the high performance optimized libraries together14:46
crashanddieI can understand that14:47
lcuk(ie, gtk to sqlite etc14:47
crashanddieIndeed, python would be awesome for that14:47
crashanddiebut it's like OO in PHP. People don't get it.14:47
crashanddieYou give someone a great tool, and they bastardise it14:47
lcukthere are many levels of oo14:47
crashanddieIn french, it's "POO"14:48
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lcukstrangely enough, its the same in english :D14:48
crashanddiecaio1982, lemme guess, you're 26yo14:48
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lcukhows london life?14:49
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crashanddieshitty expensive, I'm broke14:49
lcukboo hiss, any progression?14:50
lardmanhmm, if they're just going to use Python as glue, why not use asm instead14:50
crashanddieoverdrawn quite a bit, called a friend, told him he could have my drumkit for 1400euro, took it immediately14:50
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crashanddielardman, because ASM isn't as high level?14:50
lcuklardman :D asm would need compilation (unless you are saying write raw binary?)14:50
lardmanwell bond lines should be as thin as possible to avoid weakness14:50
lcuk101011011010110110110101101001011010111010101101 < barcode->isbn website lookup14:51
lardmanwell someone has to compile the components you link together of course14:51
crashanddieI always had the conception "stronger links = bigger, not thinner"14:51
lardmanwell we were talking about glue14:51
crashanddielcuk, I made git crash14:52
lcuka scripting language doesnt need to be fast because it doesnt do the hard processing: there is a need for a decent language on every machine:: from amiga with arexx, to windows with vbscript14:52
lcukand maemo with python14:52
lcukcrashanddie, you make everything crash14:52
lardmanlcuk: don't worry, I was taking the mick14:52
crashanddielcuk, I made too much changes in CR, git shat itself severely, diff couldn't keep track of all the changes, it just said "6 new files, 4 removed"14:53
crashanddieI had to create a new repo and pull from the old one14:53
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crashanddieoh wow, the irony14:53
lcukthats normal isnt it, if you make major structural underlying changes so file1 != file2 by a large majority, doesnt diff just give up and replace the file?14:53
dneary_marcell_, Jaffa (post-lunch): Thanks!14:54
dnearyDo you see your comments when navigating to the product afterwards?14:54
lcuk\o hi dneary, thanks for fixing i managed to vote14:54
* lcuk bites his tongue14:54
crashanddieI had voted before the change14:54
crashanddielcuk, the whole point of git is that it tracks content, not files.14:54
dnearylcuk: You're welcome14:54
dnearyWho'd you vote for? ;)14:54
lcukcrashanddie, speak to linus ;)14:55
crashanddienha, he never answers my mails with bug reports14:55
crashanddieand suddenly 2 or 3 versions later, the patch is integrated14:55
lardmandneary: exit polls? ;)14:55
crashanddiedneary, I voted for all of them14:55
lcukdneary - i filled in the write in participant, we are getting the stay puffed marshmallow man to be head of maemo14:55
dnearycrashanddie: really? You managed to do that?14:55
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crashanddiedneary, you shouldn't have activated simultaneous queries in MySQL, the queries aren't write protected from each other.14:56
lardmanlcuk: you weren't voting for the head, just the committee members - the head is decided by a game of thumb-master between the chosen few14:56
dnearycrashanddie: I don't understand...14:57
crashanddiedneary, in other words, if you issue 10 queries in the time it takes to finish the first, all 10 get executed, I don't know if it worked, but I didn't get an error message14:57
dnearyYou opened 5 browsers and submitted all of them at the same time?14:57
crashanddieno I'm just shitting with ya, but yeah, technically it's feasible cuz the server has simult queries enabled, from what I can tell14:58
crashanddie(I didn't do anything, don't worry)14:58
lcuklardman, it would be more informative to  invite all the committee members to do battle in takeshi's castle14:58
crashanddiedneary, I'm just saying, you should implement it with transactions14:58
lardmanlol, that sounds like it would be fun14:58
lardman(to watch rather than do!)14:58
dnearycrashanddie: We did, I think14:58
crashanddiedneary, oh? I'll have to review the code then, I must have missed something14:59
teamcobracrashanddie, well, I am open to other suggestions, but it is going to be sdl based14:59
lcukcrashanddie, you login and are given a token whilst at the same time have your login token removed (from what i understood)14:59
lbtso I'm on -dev and -community (and here) but I haven't heard anything from any of the candidates apart from the initial "I'm standing" statements14:59
crashanddieteamcobra, C ! C++!14:59
crashanddielbt, it's on the wiki14:59
dnearyin step4-commit.pp14:59
crashanddielbt, there's a special wiki page with all their presentations, and you can ask questions to them14:59
dnearyfunction step4_do14:59
dneary$res = elec_sql_start_transaction ($handle);15:00
lbtdid I miss an email about it?15:00
lardmanlbt: I just said how we'd elect a chairman ;)15:00
teamcobracrash: I'll think about it15:00
lcukdneary, i thought it was 2 distinct steps - you get a random token from your login, which is then used as voting15:00
lcukbut you can only login once15:00
dneary $res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote);15:00
lcukmaybe i read it wrong15:00
dneary$res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote);15:00
crashanddiedneary, there's just something I didn't understand15:00
crashanddiedneary, why the hell ask the person's email address?15:00
lardmanlbt: what did you want to hear from us?15:00
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dneary$res = elec_sql_remove_tmp_token ($handle, $election_id, $email, $tmp_token);15:00
crashanddieI mean, the anon token should've been sufficient, right,15:00
dneary$res = elec_sql_commit ($handle);15:00
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crashanddiedneary, ok, we got it15:01
dnearycrashanddie: Entropy15:01
dnearyEnsuring against random string attacks15:01
crashanddieok, how long is the string? How many different chars?15:01
dnearyWe cross check the elector's identity and the code15:01
dneary10, with a 62 character alphabet15:01
dneary62^10 possibilities15:02
crashanddiewhat are the chances they find one at random?15:02
dnearyBut with a 12,000 electorate, a non-zero possibility that two people would get the same temp token15:02
crashanddieHow many have been issued?15:02
dnearyAnd a 62^10/12000 probability of randomly hitting a real anon token15:02
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lcukwhy are these tokens not timelocked?15:03
lcukor are they?15:03
lcukthen it doesnt matter about how random ot not they are, they simply expire15:03
crashanddieok, so that's just 1 in 69,941,613,822,36115:03
dnearyThey are connected to the election15:03
dnearyThey're regenerated for each election15:04
crashanddiequite frankly, I think the odds are pretty good :D15:04
lcukyes, but their use in choosing a candidate should be limited15:04
dnearySince the election time lapses, the codes do too15:04
dnearycrashanddie: Really?15:04
dneary62^10/12000 is a number close to 115:04
lcukfor a computer with no IDS, yes thats quite a good lottery to be in15:04
crashanddiedneary, 62^10 = 839,299,365,868,340,22415:05
dnearyUh... operator precedence... / is lower than ^15:05
dnearyMy bad15:05
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dneary(it was a geek joke gone bad)15:05
lardman62^10/12000 is a number close to 62^615:06
lardmanwhich is still reasonably large15:06
crashanddieyeah, quite15:06
lcukok, before we get sidetracked:  is crashanddie's assertion that he voted multiple times valid?15:06
crashanddielcuk, no15:06
lardmanlcuk: no he was taking the mick too15:06
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lardmanlbt: are you David?15:07
crashanddielcuk, last time I checked there weren't any transactions15:07
pppoe_dudeanyone here successfully tried using gizmo with the default sip client that comes with n810?15:07
crashanddielcuk, so it would have been possible in a very specific environment15:07
pppoe_dudei can get voice calls working one-way (sometimes two-way) but the quality is pretty low15:07
pppoe_dudealso, no contact list (which i suppose has to be xmpp?)15:08
crashanddiepppoe_dude, I don't use gizmo, but I use SIP successfully, yeah15:08
lcukcrashanddie, actually there are: dneary just posted the flow15:08
pppoe_dudecrashanddie, which sip service do you use?"15:08
crashanddiepppoe_dude, french ISP, "Free"15:08
pppoe_dudething is i have all my sip geogrphical phone numbers with gizmo15:09
lcuklardman, yes he is15:09
pppoe_dudemaybe i'll switch when they expire15:09
crashanddie(and yes, before you ask, it is illegal to use a SIP account as a means to call to France for free from the UK, they just haven't spotted me (yet))15:09
lardmanlcuk: ok, thanks, just wondering15:09
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pppoe_dudecrashanddie, illegal?15:10
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crashanddielcuk, yeah, I know there are transactions *now*, but the voting software I checked hadn't implemented them yet15:10
crashanddiepppoe_dude, because it's supposed to be a service for people *in france*, who live *in france*, and who have an account with that ISP *in france*15:10
pppoe_dudeah ok15:11
* melmoth wave a french flag15:11
* crashanddie puts it on fire15:11
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pppoe_dudei have a tiny ding on my nokia n81015:12
lcukcrashanddie, you will be on the Edvige database15:12
pppoe_dudevery tiny, but there nonetheless... i think it hapened when i dropped it the other day15:12
crashanddielcuk, eh?15:12
lcukpppoe_dude, my missus put mine on desk and leaned on it with elbow - the blood went from my face.  your ding is minor :P  (I notice this because that areas of touch is now not sensitive to finger15:12
crashanddieah, I'm already on it15:12
melmothcrashanddie: the now official name of the rg database.15:13
pppoe_dudelcuk, ah i see15:13
pppoe_dudelcuk, was it an n810?15:13
pppoe_dudeah. well, my condolences haha15:13
pppoe_dudemine is purely cosmetic15:13
lcukand last time i dropped my 810 thankfully the slideout keyboard acted as   a shockabsorber15:13
pppoe_dudebut also, my n810 is only about 2 months old15:13
pppoe_dudeso i feel a bit bad about it. but I will get over it haha15:14
lcukomg internet getting slow (really slow i cant see what im typing, im gonna close this back later on )15:14
lbtlardman|lunch: yes, I'm David :)15:14
pppoe_dudeyou know what the n810 can use?15:14
pppoe_dudea little speaker like on a phone15:14
pppoe_dudelike a privacy speaker15:15
mikkov_hmm, i was able to recover my tablet from wsod state without reflashing :)15:15
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crashanddiepppoe_dude, they call that earphones15:15
pppoe_dudecrashanddie, yes but they aren't always handy15:15
crashanddieI think they're quite eary15:15
pppoe_dudebut that is a solution15:15
pppoe_dudei wish gizmo would integrate well with the default sip client15:16
pppoe_dudethat way i can still get all the nice notifications and things15:16
crashanddiepppoe_dude, it's not a phone, no point in adding a phone speaker just for kicks15:16
pppoe_dudecrashanddie, i realise that15:16
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pppoe_dudei do use it like a phone tho15:17
pppoe_dudequite frquently15:17
pppoe_dudewith ear phones coz they're more comfortable15:18
pppoe_dudeis there a nice organiser program other than gpe calendar?15:18
pppoe_dudei would like to try ubuntu mobile if/when it becomes available15:20
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pppoe_dudethat should be a bit exciting15:20
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crashanddiepppoe_dude, there might be a nice agenda popping up one of these days, stay tuned ;)15:20
andrewfblackHey guys15:22
andrewfblackand girls if there are any15:22
Jaffalo andrewfblack15:23
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* Jaffa always gets confused cos his work uid is 'andrewf' <firstName><surnameInitial>15:23
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andrewfblacklol whats your middle name?15:24
crashanddieandrewf kinda sounds like someone who has a serious speaking deficiency15:25
crashanddielike the guy who just got bitchslapped and bit his tongue, and tries to call someone in the hallway "ANDREwf"15:26
andrewfblackI used to use like 20 names but now I'm to the point were I just use my real name as logins lol15:26
Jaffaandrewfblack: James15:29
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andrewfblackahh just noticed the F is your surname initial and not your middle name lol15:30
JaffaAny German speakers here? I've got my train ticket to Berlin for the summit and there's a bit where it says about my seat reservation: "1 Sitzplatz, Wg. 24, Pl. 76, 1 Fenster, Tisch,  Nichtraucher"15:31
JaffaI'm guessing: 1 seat, wagon (i.e. coach) 24, place  (i.e. seat) 76, 1 window, table, no-smoking?15:32
crashanddieJaffa, you are correct15:33
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Jaffacrashanddie: cool, thanks. Oh for the summit to be in the UK - or even France where I can at least get by ;-)15:33
JaffaBerlin'll be cool though: never been before.15:34
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crashanddieI won't make it to the Summit15:34
crashanddieI was really really really looking forward to get there15:34
crashanddiebut it's just not gonna happen, from where I'm standing15:34
JaffaDoh :(15:34
crashanddieif I land a job between this and the summit, I might just go crazy and come anyway15:36
JaffaStill looking in the UK/London?15:36
crashanddieBut considering I had to sell my drumkit to keep living, well, that kinda says a lot15:36
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teamcobracrashanddie, you're not the only one :/15:40
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crashanddieyeah, but I'm awesome, the Summit's not going to be great without me !15:41
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crashanddieI mean, seriously ! I hope you guys slap Quim for not giving me the financial aid :P15:41
teamcobrawell, I'm installing deblet.... didn't frag on the reflash ;)15:42
teamcobranow I just have to keep myself out of trouble, which may be difficult w/ a full-blown lenny install ;p15:44
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andrewfblackcrashanddie don't feel bad I have a job but still can't go to summit15:46
* Jaffa emails an old friend in Berlin suggesting a catch-up and him acting as a night-life guide for a bunch of drunken geeks.15:49
teamcobrabrb, having  a smoke (and turning the damned tv off, U.S. Politics = The Worst(TM)15:49
teamcobraI know a girl that lives in Berlin...... supposed to visit her this summer, going to .nl first with my Mom (believe it or not!!)15:50
teamcobrawill be the vacation to end all vacations........ not sure if I'll come back ;p15:51
Jaffateamcobra: coming to the summit?15:51
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teamcobraJaffa: nop :( helping watch a family member until he gets into an assisted living place15:53
teamcobraI'll have to make it to the 2009, barring a Gradius Laser Shot to the head15:53
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teamcobrathe Maemo in Police Cars presentation sounds a bit terrifying, btw ;)15:54
Jaffateamcobra: sounds like what you're doing's more important, FWIW15:54
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teamcobraJaffa: yeah, I try to look at it that way :) are there plans to put the pdfs/presentation slides online after the summit?15:55
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Jaffateamcobra: and videos15:57
* Jaffa 'll have to practice his happy voice15:57
teamcobraand at least w/ irc/twitter/etc it can't be _too_ hard to see how it goes15:57
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teamcobrasweet, if you need help w/ anything in that regard, lemme know.... a/v is my specialty :)15:58
Jaffateamcobra: some stuff on here about it
lcukwhat do i do if i forgot who i voted for *rolleyes*15:59
Jaffalcuk: tough? ;-)15:59
lcuki know theres nothin i can do abouti it (not that i would wanna anyway) i trust myself to have done it right, and its quite democratic that i cannot tell anyone, but i should at least remember myself ;)16:00
* lcuk is havin a blonde day16:00
andrewfblacksummit is in berlin right?16:01
lcukberlin centre i think16:01
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andrewfblackI was just wondering how much it would have cost me to fly there if I wanted to lol16:02
Jaffaandrewfblack: Yep. Berlin. Somewhere called 'C-Base', in the Mitte bit in the middle.16:02
lcukandrewfblack, im sure you cant fly directly there, you would have to stop at one of the designated airports16:02
Jaffalcuk: he could have a jet pack (Superman wouldn't have to pay to use his flying ability, so must be something which consumes fuel)16:03
lcukget onto travel agents site and see what you need16:03
teamcobradon't worry, Summit 2009 will have Vacuum Tubes16:03
teamcobraand Ted Stevens16:03
andrewfblackI would have to make 2 stops to get there and would cost between $920 and $5400 a ticket and I would need 2 lol16:03
andrewfblackthats flying coach16:04
andrewfblackmis counted I have to change planes 5 times for those prices16:05
andrewfblackno wrong again its 2 chagnes going and 3 coming back16:05
andrewfblackso 5 total for round trip16:05
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andrewfblack24 hours total travel time with lay over yeah I wouldn't want to make that trip if I could aford it16:06
lcuki have 2 flights there and 2 flights back16:06
lcuk(had to vanish sorry)16:06
lcukmanchester to somewhere in germany on a minibus16:07
* lcuk gets to see a variety of different aircraft16:07
VDVsx_I can't edit anything in the maemo wiki, my login always expire when I click in any link, anyone experiencing a similar behaviour ?16:07
lcukhow many for you jaffa? or are you gettin a private helicopter?16:08
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andrewfblackjust for shits and giggles I check First class prices since it is a 24 hours total flight for me.  $13627 for each of my two ticktes I would need lol16:08
* Jaffa has to drive from Rugby to Dover; ferry to Dunkirk; drive to Arnhem in .nl for 2 nights with in-laws; drive to Essen on the 16th; 5 hour train to Berlin. Relax/drink/think at conference and then return on the Saturday to Apeldoorn16:08
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Jaffaagain, via train. On the Monday drive from Arnhem back to Rugby.16:09
lcukomg jaffa, i forgot about your marathon european roadtrip16:09
teamcobraJaffa: taking pictures? that sounds like a wicked road trip16:09
Jaffa"Hopefully" I won't lose my mother-in-law en route ;-)16:09
lcukandrewfblack, at that price, bring a guest16:09
JaffaThe train from .nl to .de is supposed to be quite impressive in terms of landscape and stuff. I imagine I'll be hacking on mud, mediaserv, tablet-encode and my presentations tho'16:09
andrewfblacklcuk well if I went I would have to bring my wife I mean she uses my Nokia as much as I do. so that would be $27,254 for my plane tickets I wonder what the average income in hte US is lol16:10
teamcobraandrew: at that point, you could buy her her own nokia ;)16:11
teamcobraor start a small fab of your own :p16:11
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lcukandrewfblack, cobra is right, get her her own nokia, and since then you have too much luggage, you will have to get your nokias their own seat16:12
andrewfblackfor $28,000 or even the $10 for coach I would just host my own Maemo Summit in the Us lol16:13
teamcobraandrew: and use point-to-point video ;)16:13
lcukn810 hi def video conferenscing16:13
teamcobra(not a _bad_ idea for the next summit, but you don't want to fragment it too much by having everyone in different places, then you may as well just have an Ekiga Summit ;p ;p)16:14
crashanddie$28k for a airplane ticket? How many people are you taking with you?16:14
* lcuk will finish that soon16:14
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andrewfblackcrashanddie thats 2 people if we fly first class16:14
crashanddieOh come on16:14
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crashanddieI've seen transatlantic flights at $600 a piece16:14
lcukcrashanddie, he lives in a small atoll in the south pacific16:14
andrewfblackI'm not joking go to orbits and put in Dothan, AL to Berlin16:15
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lcukthey have to build a floating runway16:15
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crashanddieyeah well, don't complain about not being able to come then16:15
andrewfblackI could fly for as low as $920 a ticket for coach with 3 stops16:15
crashanddiethen do it16:15
lcukand 4 dvt's16:15
andrewfblack$920 is still to much for me16:15
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crashanddieI mean, there's a huge difference between $2k for you and your wife, and $28k16:15
crashanddieI'd even go as far as to say the difference is around $26k16:16
oilinkiandrewfblack: from where to where?16:16
lcukyer, aboput that different - put it in my account16:16
lcukk thx bye16:16
andrewfblackfrom dothan, al to Berlin16:16
oilinkiwhere is dothan?16:16
crashanddieandrewfblack, it would cost me some £300 back and forth, booze and hostel included16:17
lcukthey have beer in germany?16:17
andrewfblackcrashanddie your already on that side of the world16:17
crashanddielcuk, I think they just started to brew some, yeah16:18
lcukandrewfblack, it costs $30 to go to kmart and buy a rubber boat16:18
lcukw00t, i hope its fermented in time16:18
andrewfblackHey are Airlines charging you guys over there for bags now in the US its $15 for first bag and upto $50 for second16:18
crashanddielcuk, he's on an island, like US, err, I mean, like us, so everything's 30% more expensive16:18
crashanddieandrewfblack, yeah, same here16:18
teamcobrathe next nit needs a hole drilled into the stylus holder (to facilitate tying the !@$@! stylus to the tablet)16:19
lcukthey charge us by  weight16:19
oilinkilcuk: or maybe catch an weather balloon and try to get to the jet streams :)16:19
crashanddieandrewfblack, back in the day, you'd get like 20kg for free... Now You have to pay for the first 15kg... And then it's 21euro per kg above16:19
lcukteamcobra, lost yours?16:19
teamcobrajust found it again.... but the thing is, I'll pull it out, use it, put it in my lap, and then stand up16:20
crashanddieteamcobra, why not just put it back in everytime you put it down?16:20
lcukdo what i do: never ever ever ever take it out opf the case - i use an old stylus from somewhere else and dont touch the proper one16:20
teamcobracrashanddie, I make a valiant effort (I still have my orig. 2), but sometimes things hit the fan and I need to run across the house16:20
lcukteamcobra, read this:16:20
teamcobrayeah, I was thinking of getting some NDS stylii16:21
teamcobraHAHAHAH, wow ;)16:21
lcuki have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day :)16:21
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, can you give me a small help with the wiki issue ?16:21
lcukback later anyways16:22
crashanddie(lcuk) i have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day16:22
crashanddieso quoted16:22
andrewfblackI still have both my stylus but one day I'm going to get around to making a mold of them and make some extras incase I lose them16:22
teamcobrais there a way to turn off the power saving on the 810? my wlan cuts out, even though idle time is set to unlimited16:23
crashanddielcuk, just got offered a PHP job in Cambridge/Oxford/Central London, pick one16:23
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teamcobrathe only way to keep it from cutting out after being idle for 5min or so, is to constantly ping something in an xterm :/ not fun for large scp transfers, etc16:24
teamcobraandrew: make a mold and have make like 10000 ;p16:24
Jaffacrashanddie: Central London should pay at least twice anything else. Cambridge has a large number of tech firms. Oxford's a bit meh16:24
Jaffacrashanddie: Driving to the centre of Oxford is a pain and parking is expensive16:25
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andrewfblackI should make a custom I went to the Maemo 2008 Summit Theme for everyone who is going16:26
lcukand make another batch "i missed the maemo summit and im gutted"16:27
lcukcrashanddie, what jaffa says (he know everything)16:27
Jaffalcuk: someone said that in a team meeting yesterday. Worrying.16:27
crashanddiehe knows, know your mother-tongue16:28
lcukjaffa? said what - they were gutted16:28
lcuki cant do anything since i cant see what im typing16:28
Jaffalcuk: no, I knew all16:28
crashanddiethen stop typing16:28
Jaffacrashanddie: Central London would be quite handy, I imagine.16:28
lcukvnc is ultra slow today, tracy has started  some downloads off16:28
crashanddielcuk, internet is dog slow here too16:29
lcukmight be virgin itself then16:29
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teamcobranvm, disabled PSM for my home connection16:35
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teprrrhi, anyone up to maemo-qt4 around? just wondering whether's extras-devel pool for diablo is under update or broken atm? getting size mismatchs for a lot of packages16:38
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teprrrlibqtcore4, libqt4-network, libqt4-assistant, libqt4-dbus, libqtgui4 and libqt4-test at least16:39
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Stskeepsheh, N800 experience of the day - eldery man asking me what exactly it is, if you can go on the internet with it.. i explain a bit it's a computer, etc.. and he asks if he can print from it too16:51
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pppoe_dudewould be nice if it had a little thermal printer16:53
Stskeepswell i think people shouldnt underestimate the value of the tablets for elderly16:55
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lardmanAnyone got Friday afternoon boredom and fancy looking at a malloc problem?16:57
derfI'm not bored, and it's Friday morning here still, but sure, where are you at?16:58
lardmanright, it appears that malloc() on the dsp returns 1 when it fails16:58
lardmanI tested this by trying to allocate 10000 bytes, and it failed, returning 116:59
Stskeepsmaybe it has another definition of NULL? :P16:59
lardmanno, NULL is actually 016:59
Stskeeps(yes, weird things like that -has- been seen on OS'es :P)16:59
lardmanstrange but there we go, it is a DSP after all ;)17:00
lardman is the debugging output17:00
lardmanon l186 I test to see what NULL produces, and then try some mallocs for different sizes17:00
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lardman is the code in question17:01
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lardmanscroll down to the comment "// some malloc test code here!"17:01
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lardmannow the confusing thing is that the code was originally failing to allocate "work", which was to be 28 bytes in size (according to the output), (line 191), but I can successfully allocate this in the test mallocs17:03
lardmanso am I missing something obvious (been staring at this code for far too long!)17:03
andrewfblackThis has nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about but you know I love GIMP I have been using Photoshop for years since like version 5 I think it was.  I just started using GIMP Portable on my thumb drive at work so I can get some work on my Themes done, and I love it I have no use for Photoshop anymore17:03
Stskeepslardman: so am i understanding the code correctly as in you're taking the malloced pointer, convert it to a 32 bit integer and start manipulating it?17:04
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Stskeepser, or well, actually try to print it17:05
Stskeeps(sorry, long day at meetings :P)17:05
lardmanStskeeps: just so I can output it, yes17:06
teamcobrathis also has nothing to do with anything, but the same place that I got my 810 from this summer @ $299 is now charging $389! wow17:06
lardmanStskeeps: the dbg() fn can only handle 16bit data types17:06
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lardmanor rather <=16bit17:06
crashanddielardman, have you guys been allowed to vote?17:07
Stskeepslardman: well what is _ogg_malloc defined as?17:07
andrewfblackteamcobra I wish I would have gotten mine for $38917:07
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Stskeepslardman: as in usual C malloc or what?17:08
Stskeepslibc, that is17:08
lardmannot libc, but similar17:08
teamcobraI thought $299 was going to be a new price and that the n9xx was on its way, but (very) glad I sprung for it :D17:09
Stskeepslardman: ah, so from the dsp17:09
lardmanStskeeps: yep17:09
derflardman: Your malloc had already failed at that point.17:09
derfLines 187 through 190 are all the same.17:10
derfOh, no, wait, you have free's inbetween.17:10
Stskeeps[279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127]17:10
Stskeeps[279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127]17:10
teamcobraandrew: that extra time you got out of yours made up for it, I'm sure.... I've only had mine for about 2 months, and it's always within arm's reach at max ;)17:11
Stskeeps(sorry for double paste)17:11
Stskeepshappens before the actual crash17:11
derfThough 0x7FFFFF is a very suspicious address.17:11
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Stskeepsmaybe they're returning (void *) -1?17:11
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andrewfblackteamcobra I got mine about 6 months ago I got it right before the price started dropping I should have waited a few weeks17:12
teamcobrastskeeps: is there an easy way to remove the dropbear ssh server + telnet server from nit-debian after install?17:12
teamcobraandrew: d'oh17:12
Stskeepsteamcobra: eh.. nit-debian or deblet? i assume you use newest :P you mean the usb telnet one?17:12
teamcobraahh, deblet17:13
Stskeepsdpkg --remove usbnet-emergency-telnetd i think it's called17:13
lardmanderf: hmm, yes, that would appear to be more like a fail message17:13
teamcobrasweet, thanks :D17:13
Stskeepsi'm probably going to make the emergency console thing be a hold-down-key thing or whatever17:13
lardmanI should probably have not freed the memory until the end of the block17:13
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teamcobrait freaked me out when it extracted the emergency telnet server, thought it just untarred something... walking around w/ a telnet server + fail17:14
teamcobraerm, = fail17:14
Stskeepsteamcobra: it only listens on usb017:14
Stskeeps(yes, i thought about that)17:14
lardmanderf: actually that must be wrong, as lengthlist shouldn't be freed by the time i get to my test mallocs17:14
* teamcobra applauds17:14
derflardman: Right.17:14
derfSo you're trying to debug things well after they initially broke.17:15
lardmanstrange that I can get either 1 or 0x7FFFFF, though the former may be because the latter address has been used and screwed things up17:15
Stskeepsteamcobra: so any first impressions on deblet else?17:15
teamcobrawell, if all goes well, I'll have the gnome-basic environment set up soon (apt-getting the 2nd set of packages)17:15
teamcobracan;t comment yet, figured I'd ask while you were around :)17:16
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Stskeepslardman: maybe you get a NULL somewhere and 1 is the way the malloc tells you "damn you, you should have seen the OOM already"17:16
Stskeeps"so die die die"17:16
Stskeepslo qwerty1217:16
qwerty12'ello Stskeeps17:17
qwerty12w00t, the weekend iz here17:17
* Stskeeps wonders what to hack on today17:17
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lardmanwhat's 0x7fffff as a signed int?17:18
teamcobrasts, does right click work in xfce as well, or just gnome (out of curiousity)?17:18
Stskeeps-1 i think17:18
Stskeepsteamcobra: yeah17:18
Stskeepslibgtkstylus is included in both17:18
lardmanStskeeps: yeah, that was what I thought17:18
Stskeepsteamcobra: works in lxde too :P17:19
lardmanlcuk: thanks, will take a look at that17:19
teamcobraSts: gwinning, gwinning, gwinning! :)17:19
derflardman: 8388607.17:19
lcuklardman, read that bug report, it talks about masking and alignments and subtracting 1s from things i believe17:19
teamcobraI haven't used lxde yet.... looking @ their homepage, it looks pretty nice17:20
lcukall related to _ogg_malloc17:20
lardmanderf: that's unsigned though isn't it?17:20
derflardman: It doesn't have a sign bit set.17:20
derfUnless you mean as a 23 bit number, and who would use that?17:20
lardmanwell the pointer is actually 23bit17:20
derf(in which case it's -1)17:20
lardmanyeah, ok so it's a failure17:21
derfI thought we already said that?17:21
lardmanyeah, just making sure ;)17:22
Stskeepsteamcobra: (we're still working on this environment.)17:22
* teamcobra is speechless17:23
teamcobrawhat needs to be done? that looks _perfect_17:23
teamcobraas in, how can I help? :)17:23
Stskeepsbrightness app (done -, rotation app, ..
Stskeeps(for things to work on)17:24
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Stskeepsand this is just first v1.0 .. i have plenty more ideas to work on, but it could just be interesting how fast it's done ;)17:26
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teamcobrayeah, it looks very very clean..... I'm guessing lxde is pretty snappy as well ;)17:27
Stskeepsquite.. i still need to do some base things to deblet to make it less battery consuming and run more snappy17:27
lcuklardman, so now that you have mathematically proved than 0==1 what other miracles can you show off?17:28
lardmanlcuk: that's merely the start!17:29
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Stskeepsnext up 1+1=2?17:29
qwerty12Stskeeps: I finally got it past watchdog rebooting the device but it crashed another part, is it alright if I just remount that partition, bind /dev etc and chroot into it and apt-get -f install?17:29
lardmanI think I'll have to add error checking to the millions of mallocs :(17:29
lcuk:D heh you do know c-base is right next to the river dont you17:29
Stskeepsqwerty12: what part did it mess up in? the huge apt-get?17:29
qwerty12Stskeeps: yep17:29
lcukjust redefine _ogg_malloc :)17:29
teamcobraSts: is it an impossibility to use directfb on the nit?17:30
Stskeepsqwerty12: apt-get -f install yeah, and then .. sec17:30
* lcuk just created app_alloc for a similar purpose17:30
Stskeepsteamcobra: err.. no clue, it has a framebuffer17:30
teamcobra(not sure about driver limitations too much other than the 3d issue)17:30
lardmanyeah, I can add the check to the define17:30
Stskeepsand we lock deblet users to X17:30
lardmanI'm running out of space for static declarations now though, too many dbg() text strings in there!17:30
lcuklardman, do it as a fn, defines lead to notorious problems17:30
qwerty12teamcobra: directfb has an omap driver that compiles with the omapfb driver in the kernel17:31
lcukespecially if you are trying to be clever17:31
teamcobraI'll test it later on, directfb should free up some memory and speed a few things up17:31
lardmanlcuk: yep, fair enough17:31
teamcobraqwerty: oh wow! :)17:31
lcukqwerty directfb - would it interest me as someone who likes fast graphics?17:31
teamcobralcuk:   might be your answer ;)17:32
lcukerrrr not with this slowass connection it wont (vnc)17:32
teamcobraack, nvm that17:32
lcukjust an aye or a nay would suffice ;)17:33
teamcobrayes, it is much quicker than x ;)17:33
lcukis it quicker than xv?17:33
Stskeepsqwerty12: after done, run python in /usr/libexec/deblet , import deblet_installer\ndeblet_installer.fake_start_stop_daemon_delete("/mnt/deblet")\n17:33
Stskeeps(\n being newlines)17:33
qwerty12Stskeeps: thanks17:33
lcukteamcobra, whichever library will let me do this sort of thing ill use17:34
teamcobralcuk: will have to benchmark on the nit to say for certain17:34
Stskeepsqwerty12: and apt-get autoclean; apt-get clean as well. and you'll have to write your own .item afterwards and set root password17:34
qwerty12f***, I can't wait :P17:34
Stskeepsit's quite simple, plenty of examples on ITT :P17:34
teamcobralcuk: yeah, no reason why it wouldn't fly :)17:35
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Stskeepsqwerty12: if it wasn't because apt-get is so bloody picky (apt-get errors, have to dpkg --configure -a, or apt-get again, no idea what caused it etc), i'd make a "Abort, Retry, Complain to God" dialog17:36
Stskeepsor able to pick up on install again17:36
Stskeepsso qwerty12, since your watchdog kills your tablet so much.. I'm inclined to believe you're actually the secret hoster of ;>17:37
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lcukteamcobra, ill have a look, but for now im a bit dubious as to anything fast smooth and tearfree on this device17:37
qwerty12Stskeeps: With these uptimes? :P17:37
lcukback later17:38
qwerty12Arrgh, anyone know what the chinook/diablo equivalent of the bora HILDON_AUTOCAP is?17:38
Stskeepsqwerty12: i asssume you installed to a partition btw?17:38
qwerty12Stskeeps: hell yeah17:38
Stskeepselse you'd have to write your own vfat second stage linuxrc ;)17:39
qwerty12That would make me SOL :)17:39
Stskeepsi went insane writing the template.17:41
Stskeepsit's a neat trick though17:42
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qwerty12fglrx hates me :(17:43
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Stskeepsit failed again?17:44
qwerty12Stskeeps: >.<17:45
Stskeepsqwerty12: time to run a memtest?17:46
Stskeepsbut yes, that looks -fucked-17:46
qwerty12Hehe, yes, I should do thanks17:46
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Stskeepsso, standard crond takes a lot of battery, right? but what makes alarmd different in its ways of doing things?17:47
qwerty12No idea but you can always apt-get source alarmd :)17:47
Stskeepsi thought that was closed source17:48
yacoobhm... what's with people using mpd, when you can just use upnp av?17:48
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Nah it's open. There is a tool which uses cal but that doesn't get built by default17:48
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Stskeepsah, it uses retu17:50
Stskeepsthat's interesting17:50
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qwerty12yacoob: I use mpd as the server on the tablet itself17:52
qwerty12~curse Werror17:52
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Werror !17:52
RST38hmoo, all17:53
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lardmanit's the weekend!17:55
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qwerty12w00t, it's takeaway night!17:57
Stskeepsis there any way to detect if a tablet goes into deep sleep? if i wanted to make a script noticing it17:57
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qwerty12Stskeeps: iirc, if it is, the touch screen is disabled right?17:58
yacoobqwerty12, what for?17:58
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qwerty12yacoob: the only mp3 player I have that doesn't slow down the rest of my tablet17:58
Stskeepsqwerty12: total dim doesnt reflect on 100% sleep state17:58
Stskeepsi have been on ssh wit dimmed screen17:58
yacoobah :>17:58
qwerty12Stskeeps: hmm, there is a value in sysfs that can disable the touch screen, i was thinking you could read it if the touch screen was disabled :>17:59
Stskeepsqwerty12: i can detect activity but thats not the same as deep sleep.. if i have to optimize deblet, i have to know what makes the tablet sleep :)18:02
Stskeepsother than a severe beating18:02
qwerty12ah :)18:02
* qwerty12 wishes UNetbootin supported "darwin" ;)18:02
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Stskeepsqwerty12: you gave up on bootchart or how was it?18:05
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qwerty12Stskeeps: I gave up. after getting it to produce logs which wern't in a single tgz, when I shoved it into the visualiser, it was blank, wtf :D18:06
Stskeepsqwerty12: hehe18:06
Stskeepsjust made a .jar that supports MMC traffic measurement so18:06
qwerty12That's cool :)18:07
qwerty12Stskeeps: lol, how many times do you compile a kernel? :P. I see #1618:07
qwerty12w00t, my "conversion" of some bora code to diablo worked18:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: i use rotation enabled kernel or something..18:10
JaffaStskeeps: pfft, I want a bootchart for Maemo ;-)18:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: ahh :).I roll out my own kernel, want to look at the patch? :P18:10
StskeepsJaffa: some guy did it i think .. sec18:10
Khertan_n810Voting open: | | logs at http:/88818:11
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JaffaStskeeps: thanks18:11
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JaffaKhertan_n810: err...18:11
Stskeepssetting irc topics on a n810 must be a nightmare18:12
Stskeepseither that or its in his pocket..18:12
qwerty12Jaffa: If you can roll that into mud-builder, I'll think you are the greatest!18:12
qwerty12"logs at http:/888"?18:12
qwerty12hell at http:/66618:12
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qwerty12lcuk: btw, I could vote, ha! :P18:14
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Khertan_n810Jaffa: sorry for the topic19:06
Khertan_n810my n810 was setting it while it was in my pocket19:06
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qwerty12Stskeeps: do I have to leave deblet mounted as ro in the .item file?19:09
Stskeepsqwerty12: yes19:10
Stskeepswe remount rw when time is19:10
qwerty12ok, thanks, I think this is actually working :O19:10
Khertan_n810is there a problem setting gtk.CellRenderText background and foreground ?19:12
qwerty12Well, except for the gnome settings daemon not starting :/19:12
Khertan_n810the only 'color' i get is blank19:12
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Stskeepsqwerty12: hm? in deblet or?19:13
qwerty12Stskeeps: in deblet. volume control isn't wokring either19:14
qwerty12if I can't get this to work, I'll leave the debian until the lxde environment is ready19:14
Stskeepsdid you do the fake start stop stuff?19:14
qwerty12Stskeeps: yep19:14
Stskeeps-full or -basic?19:15
Stskeepsand lxde environment is sortof ready, apt-get install nit-env-lxde19:15
qwerty12There was only -basic19:15
Stskeepsit's just not customized to tablet use yet but it's trivial to get working19:15
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Stskeepsand then update-alternatives --config x-session-manager19:16
Stskeepscould you verify that /sbin/start-stop-daemon is actually not fake?19:17
Stskeeps(did you remount when apt-getting to /mnt/deblet?)19:17
qwerty12/sbin/start-stop-daemon looks real to me19:18
qwerty12I binded /dev/ etc19:18
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qwerty12and chrooted and dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install19:18
Stskeepssounds like the correct steps19:21
qwerty12meh, i've restarted it now and booted back into maemo. I've got an headache, I can't be bothered atm :)19:21
qwerty12what I will do is though is work in a merger of your initfs and my initfs :>19:22
Stskeepshehe, alright19:22
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qwerty12Stskeeps: though, does bootmenu remove any other entries that you add manually when it refreshes?19:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: it's kinda weird your maemo sets out like that.. you run 48mhz kernel?19:25
qwerty12Stskeeps: yeah + preempt :/19:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: no, but edit /etc/bootmenu.conf as this is updated along19:26
Stskeepsas that's what's going into initfs19:26
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qwerty12I have no doubts in the deblet project, I think the installer is perfect, just my N800 :). The nit-env-stskeeps installed fine but was a bit lacklustre for me :)19:27
Stskeepshehe, yeah19:27
Stskeepsi got tired of it myself too19:27
Stskeepsit was mostly for showoff :>19:27
qwerty12heh, I wanted to install more apps, where's my synaptic!?! :P. (yes, I did use apt-get in the end to install irssi. until on the next boot when it decided to corrupt itself >.<)19:28
Stskeepsbut if you want to install succesfully maybe flasher-3.0 with boot original kernel (not flash, just use image for boot :P)19:29
qwerty12My N800 is too unstable, better make that flash :P19:29
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* qwerty12 has to add mkfs.jffs2 to initfs, that's a standard for me now :)19:31
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Khertan_n810someone know i can remove border between two gtk.CellRendererText ?19:34
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qwerty12Stskeeps: btw, have you ever looked at /usr/share/images/logo-nokia?19:36
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yacoobqwerty12, isn't compression overhead too high?19:41
yacoob(I guess that depends on what you keep on such fs)19:42
qwerty12yacoob: for what?19:42
yacoobqwerty12, I'm guessing you've formatted mmc[12] with that?19:43
qwerty12yacoob: no :), I leave mkfs.jffs2 in the initfs for backing up the /dev/mtdblock4 / rootfs. my mmc is vfat and ext319:43
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snowmoon-workPlease won't someone think of Jack and support the iPhone envy hotline?20:16
qwerty12johnx: read his crap on -developers20:17
lbtI rather liked my justification as to why our touch screens were hot ;)20:17
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brontideoh, great, now he will come here20:23
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zhaozhouAH! Maemo channel! Great!20:43
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johnxhello zhaozhou20:43
zhaozhouHey. :-)20:44
zhaozhouGot my n810 home today, I'm over-excited!20:45
johnxwhat are you planning to use it for?20:45
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zhaozhouBoth as a study-helper-tool and for entertainment. :-) Browsing for a todo and a calendar right now. :-)20:47
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johnxgpe-calendar gpe-todo mcalendar and dates20:48
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johnx^some things you might be interested in^20:48
infobotit has been said that musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see
zhaozhoujohnx, Oh, thank you!20:49
jottzhaozhou: ^^ :)20:49
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Khertan_n810hum i should add mCalendar :)20:50
Khertan_n810thx jott to promote my solft20:50
zhaozhouALthough, i saw that i had to have the suite for the gpe-summary, which seems nice. :-D Would be great to have it on the front-page20:50
Khertan_n810you can also use homecalendar :)20:51
Khertan_n810which depends on mCalendar20:51
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zhaozhouMust practice writing on this thing... have'nt typed with a qwerty keyboard for quite awhile. :-)20:54
andrewfblackzhaozhou the typing gets easier after a while20:54
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andrewfblackyou know the only thing I don't like on the keyboard is the FN key only on one side I use @ alot and its hard to type it20:56
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zhaozhouandrewfblack, Ah. I'm not too fond of qwerty at all, but with this thing, I'm willing to re-learn it. xD20:57
zhaozhouWhat devices do you all use? Mostly the n800 and n810?20:58
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andrewfblackN810 here20:59
jottmost here have n8x0 nowadays. but there are still a few 770 only users :)20:59
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zhaozhouNice. :-)21:00
johnxI have a growing collection of ARM linux devices O_o;21:00
zhaozhouHmm... is there perhaps support for NFS in this thing?21:00
zhaozhoujohnx, My first one, woho!21:01
andrewfblackI'm not beleaving this my Matrix theme I've been working on for weeks is screwed up21:01
johnxzhaozhou, I'm sure someone has compiled a module to support NFS...21:01
jottzhaozhou: yes. nfs-common21:02
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andrewfblackI can't beleave 3 weeks of work on my Matrix theme is gone21:03
andrewfblackI was jus talking about how much I started to like GIMP instead of Photoshop and then this happens21:04
johnxandrewfblack, what happened?21:04
andrewfblackI was working on it this morning and when I open it now its all corpt looking21:04
zhaozhouWhoa. :D21:05
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johnxandrewfblack, can I take a look at it?21:05
andrewfblackyeah whats your email addy?21:05
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andrewfblackits on its way21:07
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andrewfblackthe only backup I have is in .png format and is over a week old21:08
andrewfblackplus it wont have my layers in the .png one21:08
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lcuk:D im famous, darius knows who i am.  in reality i dont know whether to be scared or not21:08
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andrewfblackjohnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it
andrewfblackjohnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it
johnxandrewfblack, I'll take a look at promises.21:13
VDVsxjohnx, just for curiosity how much arm gadgets do you have ?21:13
andrewfblackthanks, if I have to I can start over with the weekold .png file21:13
johnxVDVsx, 3: a zaurus 5500, a zaurus c1000 and an n80021:14
johnxandrewfblack, in the future you might want to avoid working in .psd format in gimp...21:14
VDVsxjohnx, a good collection :), I have 3 to21:15
johnxVDVsx, what have you got?21:15
VDVsxjohnx, n810, openmoko freerunner and a iPOD (still count as ARM device :) )21:16
johnxVDVsx, well if we can count anything with an ARM, my phone probably counts too :P21:16
johnxI'd bet there's an ARM7 in it, maybe...21:16
andrewfblackwell I've been going back and forth between Photoshop at home and GIMP at work I guess I just need to stick with GIMP everywhere21:16
VDVsxjohnx, maybe mine too, I dunno21:17
johnxandrewfblack, well, import to your psd to gimp, work in xcf, then "save a copy" as psd21:17
johnxyeah, I see what you mean by corrupted...that looks pretty bad21:18
zhaozhouHmm, is there a site for themes to this little beauty? :-)21:18
VDVsxjohnx, my phone have : ARM 11 369 MHz processor, so 4 devices21:19
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VDVsxARM is everyhere :)21:19
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andrewfblackjohnx when I screw up a document I screw it up lol21:20
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johnxandrewfblack, I've never seen gimp screw up a picture in 10 years of using it...but working in PSD format is pretty risky I guess21:21
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andrewfblackyeah I'm going to start working in xcf and just save a copy to .psd incase I need to take it back to psd21:22
andrewfblackor just ues GIMP at home now21:23
johnxthat really sucks...I thought it might be something reversible :/21:24
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andrewfblackI'll just have to start off from where my .png version is from.  I was going to release that theme tonight but don't look like i am now.21:24
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lcukandrewfblack, the key phrase you need here is backup21:27
andrewfblackI do but I only backup the stuff on my thumb drive about once a week21:27
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johnxdo "lazy backups:" save a copy locally then copy to thumb drive21:28
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lcukthats not often enough :) get into the routine of making nightlies - even if you dont use something like svn you can still do it21:28
lcuki have a small script which i can run anytime which simply .tar.gzs the cwd with a datestamp and reason21:29
johnxlcuk, you're starting to sound like a linux geek :D :P21:29
lcuklol johnx, ive always taken backups :)  i still have the contents of my user profile from college days21:30
johnxnot that. just the linuxy jargon :P21:30
lcukmy linux n00byisms are simply because i dont know the syntax21:30
johnxI was just lucky that linux was my first command line21:31
andre____...hmm, "making nightlies"... i've read "night lies" and wondered what that refered to :-P21:31
lcuki was sat in work yesterday with a cmd.exe window open wishing it to be a proper console21:31
lcuki was shocked at myself21:31
lcukand the bastard thing didnt understand ls21:31
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johnxlcuk, muahaha. we will drag you kicking and screaming into the linux shell21:32
* lcuk logged into the router instead21:32
lcuki surprisingly felt more at home there :) it has busybox on it and telnet works21:32
* johnx remembers the cisco router command line21:33
* Stskeeps yawns21:33
ds3IOS is fun21:33
ds3IOS is your friend ;)21:33
lcuklong day Stskeeps ?21:33
lcukor are we borin u21:33
Stskeepslong day21:34
Stskeepsup 6.30 for student group meeting at uni 8.30-11.00, work 11 till late and home21:35
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andrewfblacknot going to beleave this but I got my file back its from last night but I remembered that I was installing some new apps to my Thumb drive last night and when I do that it backups my documents then wipes the drive first.  Well I just used to remote to my desktop at home then looked on my wifes Harddrive since I have it shared on network and there it was.21:39
andrewfblackI lost about 2 hours of work on it I did this morning but thats not bad21:40
lcukandrewfblack, amazing, now take a backup of your backup and store it in your backup backups location and make sure you learn from this21:41
* ToyKeeper discovers that the gui application manager doesn't list all packages under "all", and that nfs-common is missing dependencies (portmap, rpcbind)21:41
lcukToyKeeper, thats because its a consumer device and they dont need to be able to uninstall ub3rneededentries21:42
andrewfblacklcuk I just need to setup my thumb drive so it backs it self up when I plug it in at home21:42
jottToyKeeper: portmap and rpcbind are in the diablo/tools repository21:42
ToyKeeperThanks.  :)21:43
lcukandrewfblack, as long as you feel comfortable losing stuff between then cool.21:43
* lcuk tries to think like a good c coder all the time: assume everything will fail and cover all the exits21:44
ToyKeeperI'm not used to having inter-repository dependencies.21:45
jottheh welcome to the world of maemo :)21:45
jottbut it is seriously better nowadays.21:45
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zhaozhouThis is a modified version of debian, right?21:57
Stskeepsstep one of making bluetooth dun work under deblet.. -- find wtf your phone is hiding, since it is visible in bluetooth, but you cant see it..21:57
Stskeepsmaemo? aye21:57
ToyKeeperHmm, nfs-common has some issues.  insmod: can't open '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/sunrpc.ko': No such file or directory21:58
zhaozhouNice. :-)21:58
* ToyKeeper wonders why /lib/modules doesn't exist21:58
zhaozhouAnother one setting up NFS..21:58
zhaozhouTHen ill probably run into that soon enough aswell.21:59
johnxToyKeeper, look for it under /mnt/initfs/lib/modules21:59
ToyKeeperYeah, I just found that with a "find /", but why does the package look in the wrong place?22:00
johnxToyKeeper, if it's meant to run from initfs?22:00
zhaozhouWhat's the default user password?22:01
johnxzhaozhou, it's not set22:01
johnxneither is root22:01
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zhaozhouAh. Hard to sudo then.22:01
ToyKeeperThis looks promising:
johnxzhaozhou, rootsh from downloads.maemo.org22:02
ToyKeeperIt was the first hit for "diablo sunrpc" (the sunrpc module is still missing; apparently nfs-common is missing kernel-diablo-modules-extra as a dep).22:02
zhaozhoujohnx, ah. :-D thank you22:03
infobotfrom memory, root-access is
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Stskeepsfor crying out loud.. wvdial segfaults upon connection22:33
* GeneralAntilles cackles loudly.
zhaozhouHmm... can i kinda simulate an up-arrow?22:36
JaffaHa! Ubuntu on my work laptop has singularly failed to detect that my work monitor isn't plugged in, so is only showing half the display22:36
zhaozhouprevious command. :-)22:36
GeneralAntillesEr, simulate?22:36
GeneralAntillesJust use the up arrow?22:36
JaffaGeneralAntilles: oooh, shiny.22:36
zhaozhouGeneralAntilles, Oh wait!22:36
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* zhaozhou smashes his head against the table.22:37
GeneralAntillesJaffa, both because of Fremantle and because I'm about to get an insane karma boost. ;)22:37
zhaozhouThat was stupid of me. xD22:37
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GeneralAntilleszhaozhou, don't worry, most people don't figure that one out on their own.22:37
MishaS~seen X-Fade22:37
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo, last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'.22:38
GeneralAntillesMishaS, should be back tomorrow according to the wiki.22:38
MishaSGeneralAntilles, yes, I remember :)22:38
GeneralAntillesWhich sounds like he actually means "Monday". ;)22:38
MishaShe just appears time to time here, as far as i see...22:38
GeneralAntillesHasn't said a word since he left for vacation.22:38
GeneralAntillesNot one. ;)22:39
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: heh22:39
* MishaS wonders why he saw "14 mins ago"...22:39
MishaSbtw, does anybody know where karma thing is explained? :)22:39
GeneralAntillesIt's not.22:39
MishaSgood :)22:39
GeneralAntillesI opened an enhancement request to get a breakdown page.22:39
MishaSthen the place is called "nowhere" :D22:40
GeneralAntillesYou can always dive into the code to look22:40
GeneralAntillesIt's all in one place.22:40
MishaSnah... i do not want to look into that code.. :-/22:40
MishaSi might stop using the site after that.. :)  if i do not like the code...22:40
JaffaGeneralAntilles: hmm, do you remember the id of the "karma not updating bug"? Mine's stopped updating - I may have plateaued - but it could be back again22:41
GeneralAntillesI'm pretty sure my discussions karma hasn't updated in a while.22:42
* MishaS . o O (maybe it was updated manually?..)22:42
MishaSguys, what do you think about packages in extras to affect karma?22:42
GeneralAntillesIt should run once every 24 hours.22:42
GeneralAntillesThey should already22:42
GeneralAntillesSince Downloads entries are automatically generated.22:42
MishaSwhat about downloads from extras?22:43
GeneralAntillesYeah, my discussions karma is stuck.22:43
JaffaGeneralAntilles: mine neither. Neither has my "blogs" despite getting a load of favourites for, oh, the election one22:43
GeneralAntillesAs are the favorites and buries22:43
GeneralAntillesMishaS, the downloads numbers are calculated for Downloads from Extras.22:43
GeneralAntillesThe karma formula doesn't factor in downloads, I believe, though.22:43
GeneralAntillesIt's based on the rating.22:43
MishaSsorry, what i meant that download counts would affect uploader's karma...22:44
johnxif it came from downloads I think rm_you would win...22:44
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* MishaS wonders how to encourage developers to use extras instead of using own repositories22:44
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JaffaI think the calculation of karma from is sub-optimal. It should be a combination of number of votes, overall rating & number of downloads22:44
JaffaThat doesn't encourage extras use, admittedly.22:44
GeneralAntillesPoke them continually with one of my sharpened sticks until they comply.22:44
JaffaUploading a package to extras could give a boost, perhaps?22:45
* MishaS ponders idea of DDoSing gronmeyer :)22:45
GeneralAntillesWell, Downloads is based on the downloads from Extras.22:45
GeneralAntillesMishaS, it hasn't been updated for Diablo.22:45
GeneralAntillesWhich is helping curb its popularity.22:45
JaffaGeneralAntilles: not for all of them - certainly for the non-tablet software it's just number of clicks on the 'download' link22:46
MishaSit does not have to be updated for diablo... 2008 is enough22:46
JaffaGeneralAntilles: aha. #2481 - going to reopen22:46
GeneralAntillesThe best thing we can do to get developers to use Extras is to provide incentive.22:46
GeneralAntillesMake the autobuilder straightforward, simple to use, and FAST22:46
lbtisn't it?22:47
GeneralAntillesProvide useful stats tracking features.22:47
lbtI found it so22:47
GeneralAntilleslbt, only sometimes. ;)22:47
melmothResolve autobuilder bugs... :-)22:47
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Stskeepsjohnx: :)22:47
GeneralAntillesStats breakdowns would help.22:47
* lbt looks around to make sure he's not in #maemo-meeting22:47
johnxStskeeps, does it behave differently from normal debian?22:48
GeneralAntillesSome value-added features for the Application manager might be cool, too.22:48
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GeneralAntillesRatings and bug reports direct from h-a-m22:48
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I've name checked you on #2481 reopen22:48
Stskeepsjohnx: not really no - but wvdial has a bug so gnome-ppp and other gui utils using it won't work22:48
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Stskeepsjohnx: but i have a connection going now atleast22:48
zhaozhouYour favourite media player for maemo? :-)22:48
MishaSGeneralAntilles, what's not 'straightforward', 'not simple' and 'not fast' about autobuilder?22:49
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johnxzhaozhou, youamp and canola are nice22:49
MishaSand how AppMgr could be improved?22:49
GeneralAntillesMishaS, when firewall issues crop up that prevent the autobuilder from fetching dependencies22:49
GeneralAntillesor when the server's overloaded22:49
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GeneralAntillesor when builds die for no reason.22:49
GeneralAntillesSmall things, and I'm mostly speaking generally. :)22:50
lbtStskeeps: can you point me at something to get me to: which I caught in passing earlier...22:50
MishaSGeneralAntilles, firewall issues are still there?22:50
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GeneralAntillesMishaS, not that I know of, but, like I said, I'm speaking generally.22:50
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MishaSGeneralAntilles, to support your nick name? :)22:50
Stskeepslbt: apt-get install nit-env-lxde, edit nm-applet.desktop in /usr/share/applications to not only show in gnome. same goes for bluez-gnome one22:50
Stskeepsoh, i mean in autostart in ..22:51
GeneralAntillesMishaS, :)22:51
Stskeeps /etc/xdg/autostart22:51
GeneralAntillesSome more cool features might help, too.22:51
GeneralAntillesMaybe a live build monitor.22:51
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MishaSi must say that number of packags in diablo repository is surprisingly bigger than in chinook's one :)22:51
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MishaSnow if it would be possible to encourage the rest to use it... :)22:52
lbtStskeeps: ta...22:52
GeneralAntillesDon't get me wrong, btw, I like the autobuilder, and I think it's been a major boost for Extras22:52
elektwhat's the lightest mp3 player battery-wise?22:52
Stskeepslbt: and lxlauncher in the background.. didn't autostart it22:53
johnxelekt, probably the included one22:53
MishaSGeneralAntilles, no problems.  it's the next step that seems to be very difficult :-/22:53
dystopiaStskeeps do you still code on UnrealIRCd?22:53
GeneralAntillesGood documentation will help bring the stragglers in.22:53
elekti thought so, but i was hoping you'd say canola ;)22:53
infobothmm... upload-extras is
GeneralAntillesThat needs to be fleshed out some22:54
GeneralAntillesperhaps cover more edge cases22:54
elektwe should do some benchmarks22:54
Stskeepsdystopia: i try to avoid it.. besides that tablet work is much more rewarding22:54
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NeoStrider_hey folks22:54
dystopiaa'ight... loved your IRCd :-)22:54
Stskeepsjohnx: oh, i noticed something in matchbox source, an applet.. not sure if that has something that makes it more integrated22:54
Stskeepsas it embeds the keyboard or something22:55
Stskeepsdystopia: speaks for itself :>22:55
johnxStskeeps, there's a thought22:55
dystopiaStskeeps: and codey? whats he up to these days?22:56
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Stskeepsdystopia: codemastr? he hasn't been around for years.. he's with i believe22:57
elektok one more question. what games do you guys play on n8*022:57
elektwhen on the road22:57
Stskeepsnumpty physics :P22:58
dystopiaStskeeps: interesting, thanks22:58
qwerty12_N800duke nuke22:58
elektduke nukem on nit?22:58
VDVsxI have a frustrating problem with the maemo wiki in the last days, my login is always expiring, anyone can help me :( ?22:59
lbtStskeeps: is there an issue with wifi on deblet?22:59
lbtit seems to have a vastly reduced range]22:59
Stskeepslbt: i'm not sure if the mw setting is done right, atleast23:00
lbtie 10ft doesn't work reliably23:00
lbtOK - so long as it's not just me23:00
Stskeepsi have my tablet like a meter from my AP and it's at 3/5 bars23:00
Stskeepslbt: try fiddle with iwconfig and see if that solves anything23:00
lbtI'm in the same room and it won't connect unless I walk over to the AP23:00
johnxStskeeps, don't trust what nm-applet says too much...23:01
dystopiaStskeeps: you need to put it out of its faraday cage ;-)23:01
Stskeepsjohnx: true23:01
Anunakinelekt: Look here  ... I ported.. Flashback and Out of This World...23:01
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Stskeepsjohnx: i don't understand why a bloody wifi applet uses 15% memory anyway :P23:02
johnxStskeeps, aaah...that's probably the other reason I stayed away :/23:03
johnxa lot of it is probably shared libs though23:03
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johnxI'm really looking forward to better xip support in linux23:03
johnxexecute in place23:03
johnxI imagine Nokia is looking forward to it as well :D23:04
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dystopiaStskeeps: one other thing, what is the standard on services these days?23:06
Stskeepsdystopia: no clue.. ircservices are okay, but thats not relevant to this channel :P23:06
Stskeepsand atheme23:06
elektAnunakin what's thename of the process for reminiscence23:07
Stskeepsjohnx: looks like a specialized page fault handler really.. i thought stuff like this was already implemented to some degree with COW stuff23:07
elekti switched to desktop an now i can't get back23:07
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johnxStskeeps, I know it existed to some degree. I just heard positive mumblings recently and got interested/hopeful again :)23:08
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dystopiaright.. pm just never works well on this network :>23:16
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lbtStskeeps: std deblet ... E: Couldn't find package nit-env-lxde23:23
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johnxlbt, when is your deblet install from?23:24
lbtmmm - 2 weeks ago23:24
lbtI did an update23:24
lbtmaybe a touch longer23:24
Stskeepslbt: upgrade_deblet23:25
Stskeeps(it rebuilds the repo)23:25
lbtsvn: OPTIONS of '': could not connect to server (
lbtand  /usr/sbin/upgrade_deblet: line 5: cd: installerdeb/usr/libexec/deblet: No such file or directory23:26
Stskeepsno net connection?23:26
lbtyes  - update and apt were OK23:26
Stskeepslbt: restarting apache..23:27
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lbtsay "when"23:28
johnxGeneralAntilles, I agree with his *idea* actually...but I think his *services* might be a little overkill...23:28
lbtsame problem - do I need to clean up?23:28
GeneralAntillesI just wish somebody had brought it up 2 months ago.23:28
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Stskeepslbt: telnet 80 doesnt work?23:28
GeneralAntillesI was mostly too focused on getting enough inertia behind the plan to care about voting methods.23:29
lbtgimme a sec - an apt-get update was OK a few mins ago...23:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, I think it doesn't really matter in this case.23:29
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lbtit's working now23:30
lbtthere was a 'no route to host' moment23:31
lbtbut I was ssh'ed in23:31
lbtand IRC was OK23:31
lbtsigh: No space left on device23:32
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lbtrootfs                2.0G  799M  1.1G  42% /23:32
lbtis that supposed to run whilst booted into deblet?23:33
lbtor from maemo?23:33
zhaozhouSeems to be missing the python module named 'hildon' for mindmap... python2.5-module-hildon will fix this, right? Or do i need the -dev-package? Been awhile since i ran anything debian-based...23:33
Stskeepsyeah, within deblet23:34
Stskeepsi dont have a chroot version yet23:34
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lmourazhaozhou, python2.5-hildon?23:34
Stskeepsyou ran it on maemo? :P23:34
zhaozhoulmoura, ah, yes, right. :-)23:35
Stskeepslbt: eh.. that's odd, what's your /tmp like?23:35
Stskeepsas in, it there a tmpfs on it?23:36
lbtoverflow              1.0M   12K 1012K   2% /tmp23:36
lbtnone                  1.0M   12K 1012K   2% /tmp23:36
Stskeepscould you pastebin /proc/mounts for me?23:36
lbtI was doing just that :)23:37
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lbtFWIW I haven't meddled with deblet23:37
lbtand I don't *think* I played with linuxrc/initfs23:38
Stskeepsyeah.. think there's some oddity in the mountoverflowtmp stuff23:38
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lbtso does it need debugging or just barging past ?23:38
Stskeepsdpkg -l dash23:40
* Stskeeps ponders23:41
lbtFWIW it looks like I installed on 23 August23:41
Stskeepsrestart deblet? :P23:41
lbtsorry, you mean win-deblet23:41
Stskeepswell it only mounts an overflow if there's not enough space in /tmp.. which is odd23:42
lbttmp was mounted on tmpfs which I don't need23:42
lbtsince I have 2Gb on ext3 on SD23:42
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lbtbut I left it all as 'standard'23:42
RST38h"The brushtail possum, described as being "as big as a fat cat", went on a two-hour rampage after attacking a friend of the family."23:43
Stskeepslbt: you boot through linuxrc (the bootmenu patches) or not?23:43
* Khertan_n810 will vote for community member which will ban darius from itt and dev mailing list23:44
johnxStskeeps, you were still using the old method around 8/23, right?23:44
RST38hvote for darius himself!23:44
Stskeepsjohnx: probably23:44
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GeneralAntillesKhertan_n810, I would if I could.23:45
GeneralAntillesI CAN keep #maemo safe, though. :D23:45
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lbtI do23:46
lbtand both /tmp are there on bootup23:46
Stskeepsi'd say a reboot would be in order since it only happens when /tmp directory has not enough space.. and i think df -h might have been tricked or something23:47
Stskeeps(see /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp)23:47
RST38hRight, invite darius here23:47
lbtI have just rebooted23:47
RST38hMake fun of him, then kick him repeatedly, then ban him so that he channels his energy into trying to hack into this channel23:47
lbtand they are in /proc/mounts and mount -h23:48
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RST38hThis will keep him busy23:48
Stskeepslbt: with overflow still?23:48
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Stskeepslbt: could you pastebin your /etc/init.d/boot-basics?23:48
Stskeepsrm /etc/mtab and see if that helps any23:50
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Stskeepsthere might have been a leftover from old booting23:51
Stskeeps(need reboot)23:51
lbtinit 623:51
Stskeepssometimes it's really amazing how unix systems can get confused23:52
lbtit says mounting emergenvy tmp...23:52
Stskeepsworkaround: edit /etc/default/mountoverflowtmp , insert MINTMPKB=023:54
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lbtwell, no difference removing /etc/mtab23:56
Stskeepsafter workaround please do df -kP /tmp |grep -v Filesystem :P23:56
setuid0wow, 291 users on #maemo...23:57
setuid0is this usual?23:58
lbt230 are always asleep - it's weird23:58
Veggennot so weird.23:58
Stskeepsthe silent community23:58
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setuid0first time here, so i'm asking23:58
VeggenI stay here almost always, but sometimes, time for IRC is *extremely* limited.23:59
setuid0well, most have DO have a life :-)23:59
setuid0most ppl*23:59

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