| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Allpages | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's what I'm after. | 00:00 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: it returns all results that have "http://maemo.org/community/wiki" in the url, so that should cover all wiki pages ;) | 00:00 |
| jott | but a proper internal page would be better | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | jott: after seeing people ask for ed2k for maemo i wonder their sanity.. | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know dneary has something from when the migration took place, anyway. | 00:01 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: There was a wiki page with a list of all the pages | 00:01 |
| dneary | I made it all by myself. | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun stuff | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 00:02 |
| dneary | On my ownsest | 00:02 |
| jott | Stskeeps: you could walk around the street and use a foreign wlan to hide your traces :P | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | jott: true, true | 00:02 |
| dneary | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ ? | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | but then again i could do the same with a n810 + a laptop in the backpack connected through usb | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
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| dneary | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikipagelist/ | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, I'm gonna go through and compile a list of pages which really need to die. | 00:06 |
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| __t | why iss the https://wiki.maemo.org/ so f***ing slow? | 00:09 |
| GAN800 | Because the server is overloaded. | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | upgrades are imminent. | 00:10 |
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| __t | who can do this? | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upgrade the servers? | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The maemo.org people | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're working on it. | 00:15 |
| andre__ | yupp | 00:15 |
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| lardman | derf: there appears to be no difference even if I #define malloc to allocate 2* the requested data | 01:13 |
| RST38h | lardman <-- is in trouble | 01:14 |
| lardman | yeah, annoying dsp-tremor errors :( | 01:15 |
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| lardman | hmm, address of one of the buffers is still 1 | 01:20 |
| lardman | work=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work)); | 01:21 |
| lardman | dbg(&task_ivorbisidec,"_make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=%u, work=[%d,%d]\n", | 01:21 |
| lardman | (ogg_uint16_t)sizeof(*work), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work & 0xffff), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work>>16 & 0xffff)); | 01:21 |
| lardman | yuck | 01:21 |
| lardman | [224751.554687] _make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=2, work=[1,0] | 01:21 |
| lardman | just to finish it off | 01:21 |
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| lardman | hmm, cast to unsigned but trying to output as signed, should check that | 01:22 |
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| lardman | still comes out as 1 anyway, not negative | 01:23 |
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| pusling | hi peoples. is there a way to tell maemo mapper to download several map sizes of some areas (without having to "visit" them with maemo mapper ? | 01:24 |
| lardman | yes, there's a dialog where you can set an area to download | 01:25 |
| lardman | manage maps I think | 01:25 |
| lardman | somewhere in that menu anyway | 01:25 |
| pusling | and another issue - when travel 10-15 kilometres with the gps on on maemo mapper, it seems like maemo mapper is eating up all my memory. My simple guess would be that it never free'es cached pixmaps for areas you have been ? | 01:26 |
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| lardman | pusling: no idea, does it depend on speed? You can always look at the source code in Garage | 01:27 |
| * pusling doesn't really like sourcecode which uses libraries begininng with g. | 01:29 | |
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| lardman | ? | 01:29 |
| lardman | glib? | 01:29 |
| pusling | gtk | 01:29 |
| lardman | ah well | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If i make the file /etc/no_lg_reboots, do i have to reboot the tablet before it's picked up by dsme? | 01:32 |
| lardman | no idea | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | watchdog fuxed up my 2nd loong gnome debian install :) | 01:33 |
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| lardman | argh, ran out of space for static (aka dbg text string) data | 01:37 |
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| Chani | what's the relation between files I see in hte file browser on hte n810 and files I see when I plug it into my computer? how do I move files between the two? | 01:37 |
| Chani | I copied music onto the device but don't know where it is (although I can play it), and I have pdfs in hte Documents folder that I need to get off the device before I flash it | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | computer is /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internal and External cards in File Manager | 01:38 |
| lardman | s/is/sees | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc is the other | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't want to keep things on the rootfs. | 01:38 |
| Chani | I'm not seeing Internal or External | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or whatever you have your cards named | 01:39 |
| Chani | I don't have a flash card | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 01:39 |
| Chani | I've just got the usb cable | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you're not mounting anything on the computer. | 01:39 |
| lardman | Windows should still see the built-in internal one, unless there;s something using it when you attach the usb cable | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 | 01:39 |
| Chani | I am. I plug it into hte computer and I see Music, Video, tmp, map | 01:39 |
| lardman | on a new drive letter? | 01:39 |
| Chani | linux | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | /media/mmc2 | 01:40 |
| lardman | new mount point then? | 01:40 |
| Chani | I am using hte n810 at the same time | 01:40 |
| Chani | it decided to put it on /media/disk | 01:40 |
| lardman | sounds about right | 01:40 |
| pusling | hi Chani | 01:40 |
| lardman | that's the internal flash memory | 01:40 |
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| Chani | hmm. | 01:41 |
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| Chani | on hte n810 file manager, I see things like Documents, Images, etc... a completely different set of folders | 01:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unplug the N810 | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Scroll down on the left column | 01:42 |
| lardman | Chani: at the bottom of the list (on the left hand side), it should have an entry for a memory card | 01:42 |
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| lardman | but not while the usb cable is plugged in! | 01:42 |
| Chani | oh. huh | 01:43 |
| Chani | so I have to unplug, transfer files, then plug in again | 01:43 |
| lardman | yes | 01:43 |
| lardman | or use sftp over wifi, etc. | 01:44 |
| * Chani pokes around in a terinal on hte n810 | 01:44 | |
| Chani | I forgot this thing had xterm | 01:44 |
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| lardman | you'll need to install openssh on the N810 | 01:44 |
| lardman | still need to unplug the cable to allow the n810 to see the card though | 01:45 |
| Chani | yeah, not having ssh bites. but I wanna flash it before I install any more stuff | 01:45 |
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| Chani | so I hear there's a backup utility to get bookmarks and such off the device. does that run in linux? or can I just cp hte relevant folders over to the usb-accessible folder myself? | 01:46 |
| lardman | backup runs on the n810 and saves data to one of the cards | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Chani: unplug the cable, cp -ar ~/MyDocs/ /media/mmc2, plug in the cable, et volia your documents are there | 01:47 |
| Chani | oh. huh | 01:47 |
| lardman | but I'd copy stuff like mp3s manually | 01:47 |
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| Chani | ahh, I see where the settings are... | 01:49 |
| Chani | hooray for nice standard linux stuff :) | 01:49 |
| lardman | what are you flashing to? sometimes the settings are not compatible | 01:49 |
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| Chani | I dunno, whatever the latest thing is | 01:50 |
| Chani | will incompatible settings fail nicely, or break stuff? | 01:50 |
| lardman | what do you have atm?> | 01:50 |
| lardman | break probably | 01:50 |
| Chani | whatever came on the device | 01:50 |
| Chani | laame | 01:50 |
| * Chani wonders if there's space to just back up everything wholesale and sort it out later | 01:51 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | chinook i presume as it's an n810 | 01:51 |
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| lardman | bed time for me, night all | 01:53 |
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| Chani | ohh interesting. you'd think that /home would be on mmc2, really, but no... | 01:53 |
| Chani | good thing I didn't fill up / with all the photos I took | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i don't think nokia planned to put ~ on a vfat fs personally... | 01:54 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets back to the debian install and forces himself to stay awake | 01:56 | |
| Chani | ahh. yeah, just tried to cp -ar and it's complaining about not being able to set ownership... | 01:56 |
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| tank-man | probably cause fat dont support permissions | 01:57 |
| Chani | so there's two gigs of vfat storage but only 256m on / | 01:57 |
| Chani | iinteresting. | 01:58 |
| Mek | you can easily reformat the vfat to something else, if you don't intend to use it with a windows pc | 01:58 |
| Chani | good point | 01:58 |
| Chani | of course, I'll probably just end up buying a nice big card for it. what type of card does it take? I've never bought one before | 01:59 |
| Mek | mini-sd | 01:59 |
| * Chani hasn't got much in the way of modern gadgets :) | 01:59 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Chani: you can clone the 256mb flash onto the 2gb and boot from it | 02:00 |
| Chani | hmmmm. | 02:00 |
| Chani | but it might make sense to leave / alone for hte most part. maybe reformat the 2gb and mount it on /home | 02:01 |
| Mek | yeah, that's also what I did... made it easier to play around with (still quite large) kde packages :) | 02:01 |
| Chani | but then it'd get automagically unmounted when I plugged it into a computer? | 02:01 |
| Chani | yeah, I want koffice now :D | 02:01 |
| Mek | no, if you use the 2gb as / I don't think you can access it from a computer anymore | 02:02 |
| Chani | actually, what I want most is akregator. and ssh | 02:02 |
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| Chani | and ogg-theora codecs :P | 02:04 |
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| dirtyrice88 | VERY HARD | 02:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, guess what. :P | 02:25 |
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| ccooke | Has anyone had any luck getting google gears to work on Diablo? | 02:31 |
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| Chani | anyone happen to know where exactly browser passwords are stored? some of mine have typos and it seems impossible to overwrite them from the ui | 02:49 |
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| Chani | aha. found the file | 02:51 |
| Chani | but of course it's not plaintext | 02:51 |
| Chani | I wonder if I can selectively nuke only the invalid ones... | 02:51 |
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| ccooke | There really isn't any other option but the default app for RSS reading, is there? | 03:10 |
| Pebby | stupid question about .deb packaging for libraries... I'm spitting out .deb files, but the data.tar.gz file only contains a bunch of /usr/share/doc/ files - any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? | 03:11 |
| ccooke | Pebby: what are you using to create the deb? | 03:12 |
| Pebby | following instructions at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package.html - using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage | 03:13 |
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| Edgester | how do I check my karma on maemo.org? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/ | 03:30 |
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| Chani | ccooke: I'm hoping to get akregator on there but I've no idea how much effort that'll take | 03:33 |
| Chani | although... who knows, maybe there's alreayy a package for it | 03:34 |
| Edgester | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! now I'm bummed. No karma. I guess two or three releases of openafs on maemo extras doesn't count :( | 03:38 |
| Mek | Chani: I get the hint, I'll start packaging kdepim :P | 03:39 |
| Chani | :) | 03:39 |
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| Chani | Mek: seriously, kdepim could be a really good thing to have on there. probably with ui tweaks, but... | 03:40 |
| Mek | yeah, I agree; pim is probably one of the main functions you'd use such a device | 03:40 |
| Chani | mail, twitter and IM are 90% of what I use that thing for, and I keep wishing I had akregator and my irc connection on it | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat is available. . . . | 03:41 |
| Chani | when I'm wandering around campus it's great being able to chat. better thn a phone :) | 03:41 |
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| Chani | GeneralAntilles: I have irssi running in a screen session. backscroll matters to me, especially with hte frequent disconnects on campus | 03:41 |
| Chani | so really I just need to install ssh asap | 03:42 |
| Chani | or I could find out if quassel runs on this thing ): | 03:42 |
| Chani | :) | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's right in Extras. | 03:42 |
| Chani | ok, this thing is probably charged enough to flash... I really really wish it had an indication of how charged it is | 03:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just plug the power back in once it starts flashing. | 03:43 |
| Chani | but that would make sense! ;) | 03:44 |
| Chani | huh, the wallpaper makes me think of kde... | 03:49 |
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| Chani | oh neat, mmc2 wasn't overwritten | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would it be? | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashing only touches the internal NAND | 03:57 |
| evaryont | Is it possible to watch .mov or .mp4 videos on the n800? | 03:57 |
| evaryont | when I do, in canola, Meida Player, mplayer or mediabox, it's choppy, though the audio progresses alright | 03:58 |
| evaryont | actually, in .mov files, the video stalls & scrambles after the first few frames, though, again, the audio is fine | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | mp4 implies h.264 | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is just a touch heavy for the tablets. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | .mov can be a variety of things, but generally those things are bad. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stick to .avi with XviD video and MP3 audio at no more than 44.1 | 03:59 |
| evaryont | darn. the mp4s are from Youtube - I'm guessing those are h.264 since it wants to push HQ vids | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola has a YouTube plugin | 04:00 |
| evaryont | alright, got the magical one liner mencoder call that'll sort everything out for me? :) | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can access YouTube stuff directly. | 04:00 |
| evaryont | ya, but those are .flv :/ | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding | 04:01 |
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| evaryont | ty | 04:01 |
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| RST38h | mplayer will play flv | 04:24 |
| RST38h | no problem there | 04:24 |
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| gregorovius | does the lack of software updates have anything to do with the upcoming maemo summit? | 04:30 |
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| gregorovius | or it's just everyone in the community suddenly got super-lazy? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people have big things planned for the Summit. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | People get more and less busy as the year progresses. | 04:31 |
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| gregorovius | i hope to see some good things released, but the lack of regular updates is awkward... I run arch linux, if a day goes without updated packages, something's wrong | 04:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a helluva lot more packages in Arch | 04:43 |
| RST38h | "There is no surprise that americans are the most generous people in history." | 04:43 |
| RST38h | [overheard from TV] | 04:44 |
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| RST38h | gregorovius: a lot of people take vacations in August and September is the beginning of school year for the students | 04:45 |
| gregorovius | ah, the northern hemisphere | 04:45 |
| gregorovius | I didn't think about that | 04:46 |
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| dystopia | eternal september:-) | 04:52 |
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| RST38h | Transmission got updated! Who said there are no updates? =) | 05:07 |
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| n800m | here's the coolest disclaimer ever | 05:10 |
| n800m | Note: SEO (Search Engine Optimization) results are of fictional nature, the results below are for SE optimized site listing only. There is a however a good chance that in the future this particular search term will yield results for this download. Search Engine Optimization is common practice amongst websites of this nature. | 05:10 |
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| elekt | tickles | 05:10 |
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| RST38h | McCain is skipping a little bit, has somebody scratched CD before inserting it into him? | 05:34 |
| Chani | why are there under a dozen applications in the n810's package manager? am I going to have to edit the sources.list manually? | 05:37 |
| Chani | most importatntly, how do I get ssh onto it? | 05:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 05:37 |
| infobot | extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 05:37 |
| RST38h | Chani: Some of your repositories are disabled or missing | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either follow the manual instructions or open the .install on that page on the N810. | 05:38 |
| Chani | hmm. I keep forgetting these apps have a menu | 05:38 |
| mgedmin | http://scienceblogs.com/neurotopia/worst mccain photo.jpg | 05:42 |
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| RST38h | "We will drill 'em now!" | 05:45 |
| RST38h | Is this guy a dentist? =) | 05:45 |
| gregorovius | RST38h: what are you watching? | 05:46 |
| RST38h | gregoro: a TV downstairs is showing McCain's speech | 05:46 |
| dystopia | he's a drilling machine from the matrix | 05:47 |
| gregorovius | cnn is broadcasting it here as well | 05:48 |
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| RST38h | he is a patient from an insane azylum | 05:49 |
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| gregorovius | well | 05:50 |
| gregorovius | at least he seems to be able to speak coherently | 05:50 |
| gregorovius | unlike some other prez | 05:51 |
| RST38h | well, he is skipping a little bit | 05:51 |
| Chani | is there a package for ssh-agent? | 05:51 |
| RST38h | no | 05:51 |
| RST38h | but there are packages for ssh client and server | 05:51 |
| Chani | darn. I get disconnected a lot at school and my passphrase is looong | 05:51 |
| Chani | maybe I should just make another key with a shorter passphrase. or maybe I should figure out how to make a package for ssh-agent | 05:52 |
| gregorovius | are people cheering for 'war scars'? | 05:54 |
| Chani | ohhh god what small resolution | 05:55 |
| Chani | but yaaaay! ssh! | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chani, lussh? | 05:55 |
| Chani | so can i shrink the text size of this xterm? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The giant +/- buttons on top. . . . | 05:56 |
| Chani | i only get 9 lines of chat :) | 05:56 |
| Chani | oh. cool. i keep forgetting there are buttons behind the screen | 05:57 |
| Chani | oh crud. no alt key | 05:58 |
| RST38h | hehe | 05:58 |
| Chani | how do you guys get around that? | 05:58 |
| RST38h | get an external kbd | 05:58 |
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| Chani | no, i'm usually wandering around campus | 05:59 |
| RST38h | what do you need alt for anyway? | 05:59 |
| Chani | kinda ruins the portability ;) | 05:59 |
| RST38h | get Nokia E70 :) | 05:59 |
| Chani | in irssi, for switching windows easily | 05:59 |
| Chani | huh? | 05:59 |
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| RST38h | ok, instead of irssi use xchat | 06:00 |
| Chani | no. | 06:00 |
| RST38h | and instead of n8x0 use e70 :) | 06:00 |
| gregorovius | you can probably bind that action to another key | 06:00 |
| RST38h | no? then suffer you will! | 06:00 |
| Chani | there are reasons i'm using irssi | 06:00 |
| Chani | and i dunno what an e70 is but i assume i can't afford it | 06:01 |
| RST38h | google. | 06:01 |
| Chani | gregorovius: there's a terrible lack of keys to choose from, though | 06:02 |
| Chani | RST38h: laziness. | 06:02 |
| RST38h | Enlist in our armed forces! | 06:02 |
| RST38h | umgh. | 06:02 |
| RST38h | Chani: basically, either use XChat or suffer | 06:03 |
| RST38h | Chani: There is a MENU key at the left-bottom corner of the keyboard, so you can use that for ALT, but in the end you will still suffer | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can bind an alt | 06:03 |
| Chani | maybe i'll bind the extra shift to alt someday | 06:05 |
| derf | Chani: Esc, then the window number. | 06:05 |
| RST38h | ESC is the back-arrow key at the left of your screen | 06:05 |
| derf | Using X-Chat _is_ suffering. | 06:06 |
| RST38h | it's ok | 06:06 |
| RST38h | not perfect but few things are | 06:06 |
| Chani | derf: thanks | 06:06 |
| derf | Admittedly, I haven't used it since 2002, but back then it was pretty bad. | 06:06 |
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| Chani | hrm. this white bg makes yellow text evil | 06:07 |
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| RST38h | http://josephhall.org/nqb2/media/cthulhu08.jpg | 06:07 |
| elekt | hahaha | 06:08 |
| gregorovius | hahaha | 06:08 |
| RST38h | Chani: [sadistically] XChat has configurable bg color ;) | 06:08 |
| gregorovius | ^^ | 06:08 |
| elekt | that's my new avatar | 06:08 |
| elekt | and my first ever | 06:08 |
| gregorovius | osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed | 06:10 |
| gregorovius | huh? | 06:10 |
| gregorovius | not again | 06:10 |
| RST38h | that's right | 06:10 |
| gregorovius | now apt doesn't let me get anything | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you been screwing with repositories? | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively: How'd you get to 30-2? | 06:11 |
| gregorovius | I have a kernel with rotation, might that be it? | 06:11 |
| RST38h | unlikely | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't be. | 06:12 |
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| gregorovius | I don't have many repos | 06:12 |
| gregorovius | I just enabled chinook extras to get a package from there | 06:12 |
| gregorovius | I only have the sliderotate repo, kulve's and a tiny one for pidgin led plugin | 06:13 |
| gregorovius | (and the 4 stock ones, ofc) | 06:14 |
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| gregorovius | any ideas? | 06:17 |
| RST38h | thinking | 06:17 |
| RST38h | ok, could you check what repositories osso-software-version-rx34 and kernel-diablo-flasher are coming from? | 06:19 |
| RST38h | you may want to disable repo that has 2.6.21-200823maemo3 so that the older 2.6.21-200823maemo1 pops up instead | 06:19 |
| gregorovius | how could I? | 06:19 |
| RST38h | mmm...a moment | 06:19 |
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| RST38h | apt-cache with some option should do it | 06:22 |
| gregorovius | I can't see any, and I'm not sure actually if dpkg knows where each package comes from | 06:24 |
| RST38h | this data should be somewhere | 06:25 |
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| ToyKeeper | Can I just add debian/armel feeds to my apt sources and install stuff on top of diablo? Or is that likely to break everything? | 06:30 |
| ToyKeeper | It'd' be nice to have a few things I don't see in maemo-specific feeds, like xchat. | 06:30 |
| RST38h | you can find maemo xchat using google | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat is available. . . . | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras-devel | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 06:31 |
| infobot | methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 06:31 |
| RST38h | Or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ | 06:31 |
| ToyKeeper | Ah, thanks. | 06:31 |
| RST38h | sorry, it is an os2007 version | 06:31 |
| RST38h | get os2008 one form extras-devel ans GA says | 06:32 |
| ToyKeeper | That was just an example, though apparently a bad one. Is it insane to add debian/armel feeds? | 06:32 |
| RST38h | not insane but no guarantees this stuff will work | 06:32 |
| RST38h | the lib versions these apps depend off may be completely different from maemo ones | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 90% of the stuff wont work. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can compile source packages fairly easily. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the binaries generally wont work. | 06:34 |
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| elekt | binaries are so 2007 | 06:34 |
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| gregorovius | Package: kernel-diablo-flasher; Version: 2.6.21-200823maemo3; This here is the latest diablo kernel compiled in DIABLO_ARMEL with the rotation stuff applied by qwerty12. | 06:40 |
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| gregorovius | it IS sliderotate's fault | 06:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That guy makes some crappy packages. . . . | 06:40 |
| gregorovius | is there an alternative kernel I can get somewhere? | 06:41 |
| gregorovius | that's why I'm not getting updates, apt-get update fails with that error | 06:41 |
| RST38h | one more reason to have this stuff as part of the OFFICIAL kernel | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It actually wouldn't be an issue if Nokia weren't being such a hooker about updating the sources. | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 would've updated the kernel package within 24 hours of 30-2 being out and all would be well. | 06:44 |
| RST38h | guess it is not the top priority for Nokia =( | 06:44 |
| RST38h | also, relying on qwerty12 to update a package every time Nokia sneezes is expecting too much from qwerty. He is human, not a script | 06:46 |
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| gregorovius | he ought to be scripted one of this days | 06:47 |
| elekt | sliderotate was the biggest mistake i installed | 06:49 |
| elekt | :< | 06:50 |
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| gregorovius | I just reflashed the old kernel | 06:51 |
| gregorovius | for the 2nd time | 06:51 |
| gregorovius | not gonna happen again | 06:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, booting Maemo on the Beagle aint goin' so well. | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if I could flash an initfs image onto the Beagle NAND. . . . | 06:54 |
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| rob2087 | can anyone recommend an osx like launcher? | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS X has a launcher? | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you mean Dock? | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or Quicksilver? | 06:56 |
| rob2087 | yes, a dock for maemo | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personal Launch | 06:57 |
| RST38h | rob2087: Personal Launcher | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be in Extras by now | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe Extra-devel | 06:57 |
| RST38h | Something is telling me Maemo won't boot on the beagle as is | 06:57 |
| rob2087 | cool, thanks guys, I will check it out | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too many hardware checks | 06:57 |
| RST38h | Different SoC ==> different initialization sequence | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have to figure out who took the pictures of it running on a Beagle and ask them how they did it. | 06:58 |
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| dystopia | are kernel sources that important? can grab the config from /proc | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you're compiling custom kernels and you want to keep up-to-date with Nokia's latest, then, yeah, kernel sources are important. | 07:00 |
| dystopia | and there are so many kernel patches | 07:01 |
| dystopia | why dont they just run some kind of GIT tree | 07:02 |
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| ToyKeeper | woots for xchat! It's much nicer than pidgin-irc... | 07:07 |
| RST38h | ushare vs mediatomb vs gmediaserver | 07:08 |
| RST38h | any opinions? | 07:08 |
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| _ken_ | I'm reading the Wikipedia page on Maemo and it states that "Despite being based on Linux and open source software in general, some parts of the Maemo remain closed source. Particularly the Wifi drivers, which contain a binary blob, and some user-space software, like certain statusbar and taskbar applets (including the display brightness applet) and applications.[citation needed]" | 07:33 |
| _ken_ | Is this actually true? | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 07:34 |
| _ken_ | so only the wifi drivers and some userspace apps? | 07:34 |
| gregorovius | I learnt that post-purchase | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | _ken_: in effect it doesnt matter too much except we're stuck with 2.6.21ish | 07:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and i don't know what to guess (your message as of 5 hours ago when i was asleep :P) | 07:36 |
| _ken_ | GeneralAntilles: is there anything else part from the wifi drivers and those apps - any other surprises? | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some libraries | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jeebus that took forever to load | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2829356428/ | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It boots. ;) | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: scary ;) | 07:38 |
| _ken_ | GeneralAntilles: not proprietary libc I hope :-) | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | host mode should be a matter of correct kernel + modules | 07:39 |
| johnx | _ken_, to name the most important closed source code, IMHO: browser ui, media player, some dsp tasks | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | alarmd | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a list on the wiki now, I think. | 07:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what the hell is up with his internet. | 07:39 | |
| Stskeeps | and DSME/BME | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | but they're not that relevant cos dsme protocol has been mostly documented and hald-addon-bme is a solid drop in package | 07:40 |
| johnx | ah, the battery charging code will be potentially troublesome to some degree... | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | _ken_, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i haven't really run into a situation where i needed to do something actively to make it charge though | 07:42 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well that's cause you're still running bme right? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i didn't have hald-addon-bme initially and i believe it charged | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | just didnt report when it was done and stuff | 07:43 |
| johnx | yeah, I just mean the actual thing that runs out of initfs | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | true | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i didn't know fedora core was ported to armel | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting because of moblin 2.0 | 07:44 |
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| _ken_ | GeneralAntilles: I'd found it too. thanks so much | 08:05 |
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| _ken_ | this https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/354/maemopackages-20080725.ods seems to contain more details, although it does not mention the reasons for keeping those packages closed | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, that's coming later. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, basically, most of it can be summed up by "competitive advantage", Nokia IP, or just straight laziness. | 08:07 |
| _ken_ | yes, that's mentioned in these pages http://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Templates , http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Mapping_openness | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | UI stuff can be chalked up to stupid management thinking that it gives them an advantage over competition. | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, strong open source code. ;) | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/strong/stronger/ | 08:09 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Which is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, stronger open source code. ;) | 08:09 |
| _ken_ | I've also come across this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 It would be great to see it closed :-) | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | i can't take a bug report seriously that cites the DFSG | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | _ken_, I think Nokia is moving in the right direction | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're certainly more open than they were 3 years ago. | 08:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of corporate inertia moving in the wrong direction to overcome, though. | 08:13 |
| _ken_ | GeneralAntilles: yes, it seems so to me - that's why I've become interested in this | 08:13 |
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| johnx | that mini note from HiVision looks kind of interesting | 08:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, China. | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's made entirely out of lead and cadmium | 08:21 |
| johnx | oh totally | 08:21 |
| johnx | that's the best part | 08:21 |
| johnx | I haven't had a chance to play with much MIPS stuff though... | 08:21 |
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| johnx | also, bloggers that don't know anything about linux and non-x86 platforms are hi-larious | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Would be just the thing for running Google's new Chrome browser — that is, if the Chrome browser supported Linux." | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or MIPS, even. . . . | 08:26 |
| johnx | I really hope they don't do another "port" with libwine... | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chrome is so much hype | 08:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like how it's managing to jump into completely unrelated stories. | 08:27 |
| * johnx shrugs | 08:27 | |
| johnx | I'm hearing nice things about it | 08:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles just wonders how much money Google is pumping into the "blogosphere" :P | 08:28 | |
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| johnx | s/about it/about it, from people I know aren't getting google money/ | 08:28 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I'm hearing nice things about it, from people I know aren't getting google money | 08:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 08:29 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, anyways, google doesn't need to pay off people to hype its products. Anything they touch immediately gets hyped almost as much as an apple product... | 08:31 |
| johnx | hey Khertan_n810. How's coding going? | 08:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... too slowly | 08:32 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but mCalendar will be ready for the summit | 08:34 |
| johnx | w00! | 08:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i hope mContacts have a first release | 08:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | GtkWarning: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 750 and height -9 | 09:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone have an idea where this warning come from ? | 09:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ven t any widget sized to -9 | 09:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | does -9 mean something like -1 mean autoresize ? | 09:14 |
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| ToyKeeper | Maybe the parent widget is too small, and it tried to resize a child widget to a negative value. | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | other thing i set on glade that a gtk button can t get focus but this property widget doesn t seems to work on maemo | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | ToyKeeper : it the only explanation that i ve found too ... but i can t find which widget is | 09:16 |
| ToyKeeper | Glade is a neat tool for prototyping UIs. But the UI should generally be converted to regular code before release. | 09:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | ToyKeeper ... hum right for a c programm | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s not recommended to do this in python | 09:18 |
| melmoth | random post but may be related http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.gtk+.perl/2003-12/msg00116.html | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | but found which widget generate this warning isn t easy | 09:21 |
| moontiger | Khertan_n810, hi :) i do my ui in code fyi | 09:26 |
| moontiger | not saying its the best but it works | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep it work | 09:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but doing it in glade optimize things | 09:26 |
| moontiger | really? | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | as code is managing by a c compiled lib | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | there isn t many ndifferences | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | but there is :) | 09:27 |
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| dneary | hi all | 09:39 |
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| moontiger | Khertan_n810, i will investigate ... thnx :) | 09:48 |
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| mikkov_ | How do I launch browser from command line? | 10:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | browser | 10:54 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | There is only few candidate for the Maemo Council | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | From what i understand only few people can vote, and will receive a mail ... | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not many people decided to run. :\ | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of people can vote | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody with a maemo.org account more than 3 months old. | 10:58 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: i ll like ... but i haven't enough time | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've got 7 candidates. | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is more than 5, anyway. | 10:58 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: lol i see only 4 ... | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where, exactly, are you looking? :) | 10:59 |
| Khertan | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations ... | 10:59 |
| Khertan | hum ... the box say 7 but don't see tim nor simon pickering | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see everybody. | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reload? | 11:00 |
| Khertan | lol ... don't use google chrome ... at least not to see the list :) | 11:00 |
| Khertan | i got the entire list with firefox | 11:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:00 |
| Khertan | Hum ... does the email have been already sent ? | 11:01 |
| briand | is ryan in here trying to do some electioneering??? hmm?? | 11:01 |
| briand | <-- didn't get an email. :( | 11:01 |
| briand | (and my maemo.org account is about 8 months old) | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that sounds bad. | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | email on the account valid and whatnot? | 11:02 |
| briand | ...so, i can pretend to vote for whoever I want. :) I can even pretend to vote multiple times. | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping. | 11:02 |
| briand | oh, yes.. of course. | 11:02 |
| dneary | pong | 11:02 |
| melmoth | Khertan: 1249 Sep 03 dneary@maemo.or ( 31) Maemo Community Council election - voting instructions | 11:02 |
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| dneary | briand: What's your email address? I'll check if you were in the database | 11:03 |
| Khertan | ? | 11:03 |
| briand | turbo@talstar.com | 11:03 |
| melmoth | keesj: that was the mail subject and its post date | 11:03 |
| dneary | Khertan: Where are you looking that you only see 4 candidates? | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's got a broken browser, or something. :P | 11:04 |
| Khertan | dneary: don't bother with this ... it s a bug of google chrome | 11:04 |
| Khertan | the page is truncated | 11:04 |
| Khertan | i ven't get the mail too | 11:05 |
| briand | so, in other news: Viewsonic couldn't repair my in-warranty VX924 19" LCD monitor... so they sent me a brand new VX1940w wide-screen 19" HD monitor to replace it. :D | 11:05 |
| briand | ...it's very nice. | 11:05 |
| briand | :) | 11:05 |
| dneary | Khertan: I ven't? | 11:05 |
| briand | dneary: did u get my email addy? turbo@talstar.com | 11:05 |
| dneary | briand: Will check | 11:06 |
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| dneary | briand: Don't have you in the maemo accounts list | 11:07 |
| dneary | What's your name? | 11:07 |
| briand | Brian Dunworth | 11:07 |
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| _marcell_ | briand: garage.maemo.org says you are a member since 2008-08-18. | 11:10 |
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| briand | _marcell_: that would be the date I signed up as a -developer- on the OMWeather project | 11:11 |
| briand | but i created an account on maemo when my N800 arrived in february | 11:11 |
| _marcell_ | briand: well, maemo.org accounts are created on garage and replicated to maemo.org. So it is not possible to have a maemo.org account and not have a garage account at any given point in time. | 11:12 |
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| briand | i'm not arguing whether your relational databases are synchronized or not.. nor am I claiming to have an account on maemo and not garage, etc... I'm just saying that 08-18-08 is the day I used my account and joined the OMWeather project. | 11:14 |
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| briand | if the previous history of my existence has disappeared from your files... then, well, whatever. | 11:15 |
| briand | :shrug: | 11:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:20 |
| briand | in any case, i'm going to bed. been up since 23 hours ago, and getting sleepy. | 11:20 |
| briand | g'morning Jaffa... and good night. :) | 11:21 |
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| Jaffa | _marcell_: given the problems historically had with (garage.)maemo.org account synchronisation, I could believe briand - although I've not seen any of the code doing the syncing | 11:22 |
| briand | Jaffa: don't sweat it. ain't no biggie, anyway. :) | 11:23 |
| briand | you've already got representation in Tallahassee. ...and, he's on the ballot. :) | 11:23 |
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| briand | peace out... bed is callin'... ;) | 11:25 |
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| mikkov_ | my tablet seems to be in wsod state. I can ssh in, but hildon-desktop is somehow screwed | 11:39 |
| mikkov_ | could somebody ls -l /usr/share/themes/Default from tablet? | 11:40 |
| bef0rd | gtk-2.0-key | 11:49 |
| bef0rd | drwxr-xr-x root: root | 11:50 |
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| cityLights | teamcobra, yes it does make sense to use a new SD to test diablo | 12:18 |
| cityLights | if it fails, I can go back to chinnok | 12:19 |
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| cityLights | I still can't see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:20 |
| cityLights | even using google cache... | 12:20 |
| GAN800 | Give it an hour. | 12:21 |
| cityLights | thnaks | 12:21 |
| cityLights | GAN800 thanks, | 12:21 |
| cityLights | I am asking sevral times to make sure I got it | 12:21 |
| cityLights | this is as the SD has my home directory with importent files | 12:22 |
| tekojo1 | _marcell_ will take a look at the wiki in a short while, I'm still too noob to do it | 12:22 |
| cityLights | so I need to make sure that if I overwrite files , when coping files from flash to SD - I wont kill my N800 | 12:22 |
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| GAN800 | I really hope the server upgrades help the apache crashes | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | You know the HR guy is a non-techie when you see this: Knowledge of three the following programming languages essential {Ruby, Java, C#, C++, HTTP, Perl, SQL, Visual Basic, .NET} | 12:24 |
| GAN800 | having a wiki serve up blank pages 20-50% of the time makes it really hard to help people. :/ | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: What's the priority of the bug #? Probably should be bumped to max. | 12:24 |
| * GAN800 programs a virus for crashanddie in http | 12:25 | |
| bef0rd | lol http | 12:25 |
| GAN800 | ferenc was working on it, but he didn't know why the crashes were happening | 12:25 |
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| crashanddie | SQL is hardly a programming language either ;) | 12:25 |
| cityLights | ok thanks , I will wait | 12:25 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, priorities are set by the team. :P | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, I thought this was taken care of? | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Impact or something then. This is a critical issue, it can't be dealt with normal timebox^Wsprint planning. P1 bugs take priority over everything else in the Real World[TM]. | 12:26 |
| GAN800 | What was? | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, the blank wiki pages | 12:27 |
| _marcell_ | the empty wiki page loads are most probably caused by the high load on the mysql server | 12:27 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, waiting on thes server upgrades. | 12:27 |
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| cityLights | but you guys did help me | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | that's a lie | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | I never helped you | 12:28 |
| tekojo1 | Working on the server side, but as said I am new | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | _marcell_, what's the httpd? | 12:28 |
| _marcell_ | apache | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | then I highly doubt it | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | Apache's default behaviour is the serve each and every single request | 12:29 |
| _marcell_ | as long as it can | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | no matter if it takes an eternity and a half | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | Plus, if you have PHP setup in a way that it doesn't even tell when the SQL connection was broken, you guys need to start thinking about the word "verbose" | 12:30 |
| GAN800 | If only all of maemo.org worked as well as bugzilla. | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | no | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | if only all of maemo worked as well as ME :D | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, isn't it quite late for you? | 12:31 |
| GAN800 | Not at all? :P | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, like... 4.30? | 12:31 |
| cityLights | I'll be back.... | 12:31 |
| GAN800 | 5:30 | 12:31 |
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| crashanddie | djeezus | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | get yourself to bed, playboy | 12:31 |
| GAN800 | I'm being useless and watching some NOVA special | 12:31 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, you wouldn't have someone in your family called Xavier, btw? | 12:32 |
| GAN800 | No | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | No french family somewhere? | 12:33 |
| GAN800 | Highly unlikely | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | dammit | 12:33 |
| GAN800 | I've got a cousin in Japan at the moment | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | I have this friend, who also happened to be one of my teachers at some point, who's called Xavier Abel | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | I chuckle everytime I see an email from you on the mailing list | 12:33 |
| GAN800 | But the rest of us came over from Scottland/Ireland/Germany/Wales in the 1700s :P | 12:34 |
| crashanddie | oh, you did, did you? | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | I thought you were part of the natives, all that | 12:35 |
| * GAN800 is Highlander | 12:35 | |
| crashanddie | Then take that friggin blade of yours and shave yourself | 12:35 |
| GAN800 | Shaky hands, dun wanna lose an ear | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | Not a painting fan then eh? | 12:36 |
| GAN800 | Nah | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | God I sound Canadian when I say that "eh" | 12:36 |
| GAN800 | I actually had a friend try to get his gf to convince me to shave it | 12:37 |
| GAN800 | but she deciced it looked to good when she finally met me. :P | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | ok... | 12:37 |
| GAN800 | s/to/too/ | 12:38 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: but she deciced it looked too good when she finally met me. :P | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | She blind I reckon? | 12:38 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | I hate beards | 12:39 |
| GAN800 | h8t3r | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | It's come up to a point I know have to walk around with a straight blade | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | and everytime I see a guy with a beard | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | I cut it off | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | no lubricant, no cream, no pre-shave | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | hardcore hard care | 12:40 |
| * GAN800 'll be carying when you come over here for the next summit. :P | 12:40 | |
| crashanddie | "over here"? Next summit in the US? | 12:40 |
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| GAN800 | I've decided, yes. | 12:41 |
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| crashanddie | oh, ok | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | well, I say we go with the drift of the earth | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | next summit in Asia | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | and the one after that in the US | 12:41 |
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| crashanddie | I saw a job, and thought "why not?", until I saw "* Tolerate tight deadlines and stress and alleviate it by applying your strong time management skills" | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | Heh, nice. | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | I mean, most job offers don't care about that, because well, we're quite used to the fact it's going to be stressy and there's going to be shitty deadlines | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | But when they say it... Isn't it like exponentially more extreme? | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | As in, "no reference = normal levels of stress radiations", "explicit warning = probability of death: 100%" | 12:46 |
| GAN800 | 'Knives . . . lots and lots of knives' | 12:46 |
| GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_involved | 12:48 |
| GAN800 | Somebody make that cool now. | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=luGGSdUJ1Pw | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | everybody sing along: "Should I shave or let it grow now?" | 12:50 |
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| teamcobra | I just had an epiphany about 5 mins ago re: the next Big Tablet Thing(TM)... now I need to just need to get some backing ;p ;p | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | teamcobra: oh? | 13:26 |
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| teamcobra | Jaffa: yeah, a few very useful addons, some are fairly cheap | 13:30 |
| teamcobra | but to be really useful, the actual device would be arm11 based, multiple sound dsps (and could probably sell for a few k, although $500 would be the _sweet_ spot) | 13:31 |
| teamcobra | one of the others is so wickedly easy that I might have a working unit by tomorrow night, and I imagine nokia could sell them for ~$20 (maybe $25 w/ different brackets for the s-series/other smartphones) | 13:34 |
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| Jaffa | Going to share? ;-) | 13:36 |
| dneary | Can anyone confirm bug #3677 for me, please? | 13:36 |
| dneary | Could someone try to add a comment to a product? | 13:36 |
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| teamcobra | Jaffa, did I just hear you smack your forehead? | 13:38 |
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| _marcell_ | dneary: yep, comments are not displayed after a reload. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | dneary: confirmed (comment added) | 13:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 13:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do you think of this : khertan.net/poubelle/screenshots28.png | 13:50 |
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| teamcobra | Khertan_n810, strangely enough, didn't take me to a screenshot ;p | 13:51 |
| Knirch | bad url? I got the blog here | 13:51 |
| Knirch | (interesting 404 behaviour :D) | 13:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png | 13:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups sorry | 13:51 |
| teamcobra | Khertan, very clean :) | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Oh, that's much better. | 13:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 13:53 |
| teamcobra | Khertan_n810, does that happen to support ical, or just google calendars? | 13:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | google cal | 13:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | how do u make a sync with an ical file ? | 13:53 |
| teamcobra | Khertan_n810, I will find out for you... I run portal servers by day and they all have built-in ical calendaring ;p | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: would also be good if, like the OS X Calendar icon, the number shown was appropriate in the icon. Then you could have the existing flip day thing for day and no label underneath it on the bottom bar; a month-planner type icon (even though it doesn't render like that), superimposed with the week number and a similar one for the month. The last icon's agenda or something isn't it? Not immediately obvious from the clok. | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: the other big improvement, if you can't pick up calendar colours from Google Cal (which would be *sooo* cool) is to have alternating rows in different colours in the main view. | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: I suppose colours from Google Calendar is only most useful when you've got multiple calendars; until then alternating colours would help break up the list. | 13:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | i plan to make alternate color ... but google color and alternate couldn t be used at the same time | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Oh, that reminds me, totally un-UI related feature request: ability to turn off alarm setting. | 13:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | and processing image take too many time in python | 13:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | but good idea | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: indeed; alternate colour if only one calendar and google cal colours if multiple configured (which, they can't be yet ;-)) | 13:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | alarm setting can be turn off in this version | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: excellent :-) | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: does the 'Add' button add it back up to Google Cal when you sync? | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Sorry, badly explained. The plus button on the bottom right adds a new event, n'est pas? If the user adds an event, will it be added to the Google Calendar when they sync, or is it purely local? | 13:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa: don t understand the question | 13:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | no it s added at sync | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a two way full sync | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | the only thing at this time that is not sync is the 'who' | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | participants | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s planned | 14:00 |
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| teamcobra | Khertan_n810, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gdeskcal <--- another pygtk project, and if google didn't fail me, supports ical ;) | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll take a look | 14:16 |
| aquatix | pycage.de currently offline | 14:20 |
| aquatix | meh | 14:20 |
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| ustunozgur | does last.fm scrobbling work with default media player? the control panel applet says: Status: Awaiting, but doesn't scrobble tracks. | 14:22 |
| teamcobra | Khertan_n810, sweet, I'm not much of a coder myself, but I am learning pygame now to make an app :) the only 2 languages I really know are basic and x86 asm, but I'll have fun :) | 14:22 |
| * lcuk has voted | 14:23 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, i see others are trying vala on the device :) its good to know | 14:24 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: cool & cool. | 14:25 |
| lcuk | ive been pondering seeing which languages come closest to native c in compilation speed | 14:26 |
| konttori | ustunozgur: nope. it only works on 3rd party players | 14:27 |
| konttori | ustunozgur: the default media player is not announcing what is being played | 14:27 |
| ustunozgur | konttori: ah, ok, but I remember it used to do that too. maybe in os 2007 I don't know. So, as it is, it is not much useful, is it? canola already has scrobbling in it. | 14:28 |
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| crashanddie | djeezus, people, stop using a ass backwards language on a sub-power device | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | teamcobra, I'm sure you love it python is close to your nickname, but please, learn a real language | 14:45 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with python :P hiya btw | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | hey bro | 14:45 |
| * lcuk was considering putting a python interface in | 14:45 | |
| crashanddie | and yeah, there's something wrong with python | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | it's slow | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | it's dog slow | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | it's memory inefficient, it's bloathed, I mean, the only thing that's positive about it is that it has very decent OO concepts | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | no, people are trying to use python for a full language, it should be used as glue to bind the high performance optimized libraries together | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | I can understand that | 14:47 |
| lcuk | (ie, gtk to sqlite etc | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | Indeed, python would be awesome for that | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | but it's like OO in PHP. People don't get it. | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | You give someone a great tool, and they bastardise it | 14:47 |
| lcuk | there are many levels of oo | 14:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | In french, it's "POO" | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | strangely enough, its the same in english :D | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | caio1982, lemme guess, you're 26yo | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | hows london life? | 14:49 |
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| crashanddie | shitty expensive, I'm broke | 14:49 |
| lcuk | boo hiss, any progression? | 14:50 |
| lardman | hmm, if they're just going to use Python as glue, why not use asm instead | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | overdrawn quite a bit, called a friend, told him he could have my drumkit for 1400euro, took it immediately | 14:50 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, because ASM isn't as high level? | 14:50 |
| lcuk | lardman :D asm would need compilation (unless you are saying write raw binary?) | 14:50 |
| lardman | well bond lines should be as thin as possible to avoid weakness | 14:50 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | 101011011010110110110101101001011010111010101101 < barcode->isbn website lookup | 14:51 |
| lardman | ideal | 14:51 |
| lardman | well someone has to compile the components you link together of course | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | I always had the conception "stronger links = bigger, not thinner" | 14:51 |
| lardman | well we were talking about glue | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I made git crash | 14:52 |
| lcuk | a scripting language doesnt need to be fast because it doesnt do the hard processing: there is a need for a decent language on every machine:: from amiga with arexx, to windows with vbscript | 14:52 |
| lcuk | and maemo with python | 14:52 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you make everything crash | 14:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: don't worry, I was taking the mick | 14:52 |
| lcuk | phew! | 14:52 |
| lardman | :) | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I made too much changes in CR, git shat itself severely, diff couldn't keep track of all the changes, it just said "6 new files, 4 removed" | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | I had to create a new repo and pull from the old one | 14:53 |
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| crashanddie | oh wow, the irony | 14:53 |
| lcuk | thats normal isnt it, if you make major structural underlying changes so file1 != file2 by a large majority, doesnt diff just give up and replace the file? | 14:53 |
| dneary | _marcell_, Jaffa (post-lunch): Thanks! | 14:54 |
| dneary | Do you see your comments when navigating to the product afterwards? | 14:54 |
| lcuk | \o hi dneary, thanks for fixing i managed to vote | 14:54 |
| * lcuk bites his tongue | 14:54 | |
| crashanddie | I had voted before the change | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, the whole point of git is that it tracks content, not files. | 14:54 |
| dneary | lcuk: You're welcome | 14:54 |
| dneary | Who'd you vote for? ;) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, speak to linus ;) | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | nha, he never answers my mails with bug reports | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | and suddenly 2 or 3 versions later, the patch is integrated | 14:55 |
| lardman | dneary: exit polls? ;) | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I voted for all of them | 14:55 |
| lcuk | dneary - i filled in the write in participant, we are getting the stay puffed marshmallow man to be head of maemo | 14:55 |
| dneary | crashanddie: really? You managed to do that? | 14:55 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, you shouldn't have activated simultaneous queries in MySQL, the queries aren't write protected from each other. | 14:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: you weren't voting for the head, just the committee members - the head is decided by a game of thumb-master between the chosen few | 14:56 |
| dneary | crashanddie: I don't understand... | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | dneary, in other words, if you issue 10 queries in the time it takes to finish the first, all 10 get executed, I don't know if it worked, but I didn't get an error message | 14:57 |
| dneary | You opened 5 browsers and submitted all of them at the same time? | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | no I'm just shitting with ya, but yeah, technically it's feasible cuz the maemo.org server has simult queries enabled, from what I can tell | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | (I didn't do anything, don't worry) | 14:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, it would be more informative to invite all the committee members to do battle in takeshi's castle | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I'm just saying, you should implement it with transactions | 14:58 |
| lardman | lol, that sounds like it would be fun | 14:58 |
| lardman | (to watch rather than do!) | 14:58 |
| dneary | crashanddie: We did, I think | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | dneary, oh? I'll have to review the code then, I must have missed something | 14:59 |
| teamcobra | crashanddie, well, I am open to other suggestions, but it is going to be sdl based | 14:59 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you login and are given a token whilst at the same time have your login token removed (from what i understood) | 14:59 |
| lbt | so I'm on -dev and -community (and here) but I haven't heard anything from any of the candidates apart from the initial "I'm standing" statements | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | teamcobra, C ! C++! | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | lbt, it's on the wiki | 14:59 |
| dneary | in step4-commit.pp | 14:59 |
| dneary | php | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | lbt, there's a special wiki page with all their presentations, and you can ask questions to them | 14:59 |
| dneary | function step4_do | 14:59 |
| dneary | $res = elec_sql_start_transaction ($handle); | 15:00 |
| dneary | ... | 15:00 |
| lbt | did I miss an email about it? | 15:00 |
| lardman | lbt: I just said how we'd elect a chairman ;) | 15:00 |
| teamcobra | crash: I'll think about it | 15:00 |
| lcuk | dneary, i thought it was 2 distinct steps - you get a random token from your login, which is then used as voting | 15:00 |
| lcuk | but you can only login once | 15:00 |
| dneary | $res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote); | 15:00 |
| dneary | ... | 15:00 |
| lcuk | maybe i read it wrong | 15:00 |
| dneary | $res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote); | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | dneary, there's just something I didn't understand | 15:00 |
| dneary | ... | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | dneary, why the hell ask the person's email address? | 15:00 |
| lardman | lbt: what did you want to hear from us? | 15:00 |
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| dneary | $res = elec_sql_remove_tmp_token ($handle, $election_id, $email, $tmp_token); | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | I mean, the anon token should've been sufficient, right, | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | ? | 15:00 |
| dneary | ... | 15:00 |
| dneary | $res = elec_sql_commit ($handle); | 15:00 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, ok, we got it | 15:01 |
| dneary | crashanddie: Entropy | 15:01 |
| dneary | Ensuring against random string attacks | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | ok, how long is the string? How many different chars? | 15:01 |
| dneary | We cross check the elector's identity and the code | 15:01 |
| dneary | 10, with a 62 character alphabet | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:02 |
| dneary | 62^10 possibilities | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | what are the chances they find one at random? | 15:02 |
| dneary | But with a 12,000 electorate, a non-zero possibility that two people would get the same temp token | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | How many have been issued? | 15:02 |
| dneary | And a 62^10/12000 probability of randomly hitting a real anon token | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | why are these tokens not timelocked? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | or are they? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | then it doesnt matter about how random ot not they are, they simply expire | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | ok, so that's just 1 in 69,941,613,822,361 | 15:03 |
| dneary | They are connected to the election | 15:03 |
| dneary | They're regenerated for each election | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | quite frankly, I think the odds are pretty good :D | 15:04 |
| lcuk | yes, but their use in choosing a candidate should be limited | 15:04 |
| dneary | Since the election time lapses, the codes do too | 15:04 |
| dneary | crashanddie: Really? | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 15:04 |
| dneary | 62^10/12000 is a number close to 1 | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | wut? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | for a computer with no IDS, yes thats quite a good lottery to be in | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | dneary, 62^10 = 839,299,365,868,340,224 | 15:05 |
| dneary | Uh... operator precedence... / is lower than ^ | 15:05 |
| dneary | My bad | 15:05 |
| dneary | 62^10/12000 | 15:05 |
| dneary | 69941613822361 | 15:05 |
| dneary | 62^(10/12000) | 15:05 |
| dneary | 1 | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | lol | 15:05 |
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| dneary | (it was a geek joke gone bad) | 15:05 |
| lardman | 62^10/12000 is a number close to 62^6 | 15:06 |
| lardman | which is still reasonably large | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | yeah, quite | 15:06 |
| lcuk | ok, before we get sidetracked: is crashanddie's assertion that he voted multiple times valid? | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, no | 15:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: no he was taking the mick too | 15:06 |
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| pppoe_dude | hello | 15:07 |
| lardman | lbt: are you David? | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, last time I checked there weren't any transactions | 15:07 |
| pppoe_dude | anyone here successfully tried using gizmo with the default sip client that comes with n810? | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, so it would have been possible in a very specific environment | 15:07 |
| pppoe_dude | i can get voice calls working one-way (sometimes two-way) but the quality is pretty low | 15:07 |
| pppoe_dude | also, no contact list (which i suppose has to be xmpp?) | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, I don't use gizmo, but I use SIP successfully, yeah | 15:08 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, actually there are: dneary just posted the flow | 15:08 |
| pppoe_dude | crashanddie, which sip service do you use?" | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, french ISP, "Free" | 15:08 |
| pppoe_dude | ahok | 15:08 |
| pppoe_dude | thing is i have all my sip geogrphical phone numbers with gizmo | 15:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, yes he is | 15:09 |
| pppoe_dude | maybe i'll switch when they expire | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | (and yes, before you ask, it is illegal to use a SIP account as a means to call to France for free from the UK, they just haven't spotted me (yet)) | 15:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: ok, thanks, just wondering | 15:09 |
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| pppoe_dude | crashanddie, illegal? | 15:10 |
| pppoe_dude | why | 15:10 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, I know there are transactions *now*, but the voting software I checked hadn't implemented them yet | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, because it's supposed to be a service for people *in france*, who live *in france*, and who have an account with that ISP *in france* | 15:10 |
| pppoe_dude | ah ok | 15:11 |
| * melmoth wave a french flag | 15:11 | |
| * crashanddie puts it on fire | 15:11 | |
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| pppoe_dude | i have a tiny ding on my nokia n810 | 15:12 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you will be on the Edvige database | 15:12 |
| pppoe_dude | :( | 15:12 |
| pppoe_dude | very tiny, but there nonetheless... i think it hapened when i dropped it the other day | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, eh? | 15:12 |
| lcuk | pppoe_dude, my missus put mine on desk and leaned on it with elbow - the blood went from my face. your ding is minor :P (I notice this because that areas of touch is now not sensitive to finger | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | ah, I'm already on it | 15:12 |
| melmoth | crashanddie: the now official name of the rg database. | 15:13 |
| lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/09/05/0059220.shtml | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | lcuk, ah i see | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | lcuk, was it an n810? | 15:13 |
| lcuk | yer | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | ah. well, my condolences haha | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | mine is purely cosmetic | 15:13 |
| lcuk | and last time i dropped my 810 thankfully the slideout keyboard acted as a shockabsorber | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | but also, my n810 is only about 2 months old | 15:13 |
| pppoe_dude | so i feel a bit bad about it. but I will get over it haha | 15:14 |
| lcuk | omg internet getting slow (really slow i cant see what im typing, im gonna close this back later on ) | 15:14 |
| lbt | lardman|lunch: yes, I'm David :) | 15:14 |
| pppoe_dude | you know what the n810 can use? | 15:14 |
| pppoe_dude | a little speaker like on a phone | 15:14 |
| pppoe_dude | like a privacy speaker | 15:15 |
| mikkov_ | hmm, i was able to recover my tablet from wsod state without reflashing :) | 15:15 |
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| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, they call that earphones | 15:15 |
| pppoe_dude | crashanddie, yes but they aren't always handy | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | I think they're quite eary | 15:15 |
| pppoe_dude | but that is a solution | 15:15 |
| pppoe_dude | i wish gizmo would integrate well with the default sip client | 15:16 |
| pppoe_dude | that way i can still get all the nice notifications and things | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, it's not a phone, no point in adding a phone speaker just for kicks | 15:16 |
| pppoe_dude | crashanddie, i realise that | 15:16 |
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| pppoe_dude | i do use it like a phone tho | 15:17 |
| pppoe_dude | quite frquently | 15:17 |
| pppoe_dude | with ear phones coz they're more comfortable | 15:18 |
| pppoe_dude | is there a nice organiser program other than gpe calendar? | 15:18 |
| pppoe_dude | i would like to try ubuntu mobile if/when it becomes available | 15:20 |
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| pppoe_dude | that should be a bit exciting | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | pppoe_dude, there might be a nice agenda popping up one of these days, stay tuned ;) | 15:20 |
| andrewfblack | Hey guys | 15:22 |
| andrewfblack | and girls if there are any | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | lo andrewfblack | 15:23 |
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| * Jaffa always gets confused cos his work uid is 'andrewf' <firstName><surnameInitial> | 15:23 | |
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| andrewfblack | lol whats your middle name? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | andrewf kinda sounds like someone who has a serious speaking deficiency | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | like the guy who just got bitchslapped and bit his tongue, and tries to call someone in the hallway "ANDREwf" | 15:26 |
| andrewfblack | lol | 15:26 |
| andrewfblack | I used to use like 20 names but now I'm to the point were I just use my real name as logins lol | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: James | 15:29 |
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| andrewfblack | ahh just noticed the F is your surname initial and not your middle name lol | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | Any German speakers here? I've got my train ticket to Berlin for the summit and there's a bit where it says about my seat reservation: "1 Sitzplatz, Wg. 24, Pl. 76, 1 Fenster, Tisch, Nichtraucher" | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | I'm guessing: 1 seat, wagon (i.e. coach) 24, place (i.e. seat) 76, 1 window, table, no-smoking? | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, you are correct | 15:33 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: cool, thanks. Oh for the summit to be in the UK - or even France where I can at least get by ;-) | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | Berlin'll be cool though: never been before. | 15:34 |
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| crashanddie | I won't make it to the Summit | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | I was really really really looking forward to get there | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | but it's just not gonna happen, from where I'm standing | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | Doh :( | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | Yeah | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | if I land a job between this and the summit, I might just go crazy and come anyway | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Still looking in the UK/London? | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | But considering I had to sell my drumkit to keep living, well, that kinda says a lot | 15:36 |
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| teamcobra | crashanddie, you're not the only one :/ | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, but I'm awesome, the Summit's not going to be great without me ! | 15:41 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, seriously ! I hope you guys slap Quim for not giving me the financial aid :P | 15:41 |
| teamcobra | well, I'm installing deblet.... didn't frag on the reflash ;) | 15:42 |
| teamcobra | now I just have to keep myself out of trouble, which may be difficult w/ a full-blown lenny install ;p | 15:44 |
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| andrewfblack | crashanddie don't feel bad I have a job but still can't go to summit | 15:46 |
| * Jaffa emails an old friend in Berlin suggesting a catch-up and him acting as a night-life guide for a bunch of drunken geeks. | 15:49 | |
| teamcobra | brb, having a smoke (and turning the damned tv off, U.S. Politics = The Worst(TM) | 15:49 |
| teamcobra | I know a girl that lives in Berlin...... supposed to visit her this summer, going to .nl first with my Mom (believe it or not!!) | 15:50 |
| teamcobra | will be the vacation to end all vacations........ not sure if I'll come back ;p | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | teamcobra: coming to the summit? | 15:51 |
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| teamcobra | Jaffa: nop :( helping watch a family member until he gets into an assisted living place | 15:53 |
| teamcobra | I'll have to make it to the 2009, barring a Gradius Laser Shot to the head | 15:53 |
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| teamcobra | the Maemo in Police Cars presentation sounds a bit terrifying, btw ;) | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | teamcobra: sounds like what you're doing's more important, FWIW | 15:54 |
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| teamcobra | Jaffa: yeah, I try to look at it that way :) are there plans to put the pdfs/presentation slides online after the summit? | 15:55 |
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| Jaffa | teamcobra: and videos | 15:57 |
| * Jaffa 'll have to practice his happy voice | 15:57 | |
| teamcobra | and at least w/ irc/twitter/etc it can't be _too_ hard to see how it goes | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed | 15:57 |
| teamcobra | sweet, if you need help w/ anything in that regard, lemme know.... a/v is my specialty :) | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | teamcobra: some stuff on here about it http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage | 15:59 |
| lcuk | what do i do if i forgot who i voted for *rolleyes* | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: tough? ;-) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | i know theres nothin i can do abouti it (not that i would wanna anyway) i trust myself to have done it right, and its quite democratic that i cannot tell anyone, but i should at least remember myself ;) | 16:00 |
| * lcuk is havin a blonde day | 16:00 | |
| andrewfblack | summit is in berlin right? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | berlin centre i think | 16:01 |
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| andrewfblack | I was just wondering how much it would have cost me to fly there if I wanted to lol | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: Yep. Berlin. Somewhere called 'C-Base', in the Mitte bit in the middle. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, im sure you cant fly directly there, you would have to stop at one of the designated airports | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: he could have a jet pack (Superman wouldn't have to pay to use his flying ability, so must be something which consumes fuel) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | get onto travel agents site and see what you need | 16:03 |
| teamcobra | don't worry, Summit 2009 will have Vacuum Tubes | 16:03 |
| teamcobra | and Ted Stevens | 16:03 |
| andrewfblack | I would have to make 2 stops to get there and would cost between $920 and $5400 a ticket and I would need 2 lol | 16:03 |
| teamcobra | wow | 16:04 |
| andrewfblack | thats flying coach | 16:04 |
| teamcobra | _ouch_ | 16:04 |
| andrewfblack | mis counted I have to change planes 5 times for those prices | 16:05 |
| andrewfblack | no wrong again its 2 chagnes going and 3 coming back | 16:05 |
| andrewfblack | so 5 total for round trip | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | ouchy | 16:06 |
| andrewfblack | 24 hours total travel time with lay over yeah I wouldn't want to make that trip if I could aford it | 16:06 |
| lcuk | i have 2 flights there and 2 flights back | 16:06 |
| lcuk | (had to vanish sorry) | 16:06 |
| lcuk | manchester to somewhere in germany on a minibus | 16:07 |
| * lcuk gets to see a variety of different aircraft | 16:07 | |
| VDVsx_ | I can't edit anything in the maemo wiki, my login always expire when I click in any link, anyone experiencing a similar behaviour ? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | how many for you jaffa? or are you gettin a private helicopter? | 16:08 |
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| andrewfblack | just for shits and giggles I check First class prices since it is a 24 hours total flight for me. $13627 for each of my two ticktes I would need lol | 16:08 |
| * Jaffa has to drive from Rugby to Dover; ferry to Dunkirk; drive to Arnhem in .nl for 2 nights with in-laws; drive to Essen on the 16th; 5 hour train to Berlin. Relax/drink/think at conference and then return on the Saturday to Apeldoorn | 16:08 | |
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| Jaffa | again, via train. On the Monday drive from Arnhem back to Rugby. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | omg jaffa, i forgot about your marathon european roadtrip | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:09 |
| teamcobra | Jaffa: taking pictures? that sounds like a wicked road trip | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | "Hopefully" I won't lose my mother-in-law en route ;-) | 16:09 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, at that price, bring a guest | 16:09 |
| teamcobra | hahahaha | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | The train from .nl to .de is supposed to be quite impressive in terms of landscape and stuff. I imagine I'll be hacking on mud, mediaserv, tablet-encode and my presentations tho' | 16:09 |
| teamcobra | seen | 16:10 |
| andrewfblack | lcuk well if I went I would have to bring my wife I mean she uses my Nokia as much as I do. so that would be $27,254 for my plane tickets I wonder what the average income in hte US is lol | 16:10 |
| teamcobra | andrew: at that point, you could buy her her own nokia ;) | 16:11 |
| teamcobra | or start a small fab of your own :p | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, cobra is right, get her her own nokia, and since then you have too much luggage, you will have to get your nokias their own seat | 16:12 |
| andrewfblack | for $28,000 or even the $10 for coach I would just host my own Maemo Summit in the Us lol | 16:13 |
| teamcobra | andrew: and use point-to-point video ;) | 16:13 |
| lcuk | n810 hi def video conferenscing | 16:13 |
| teamcobra | (not a _bad_ idea for the next summit, but you don't want to fragment it too much by having everyone in different places, then you may as well just have an Ekiga Summit ;p ;p) | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | $28k for a airplane ticket? How many people are you taking with you? | 16:14 |
| * lcuk will finish that soon | 16:14 | |
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| andrewfblack | crashanddie thats 2 people if we fly first class | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | Oh come on | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | I've seen transatlantic flights at $600 a piece | 16:14 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, he lives in a small atoll in the south pacific | 16:14 |
| andrewfblack | I'm not joking go to orbits and put in Dothan, AL to Berlin | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | they have to build a floating runway | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | lol | 16:15 |
| teamcobra | hahahaha | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | yeah well, don't complain about not being able to come then | 16:15 |
| andrewfblack | I could fly for as low as $920 a ticket for coach with 3 stops | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | then do it | 16:15 |
| lcuk | and 4 dvt's | 16:15 |
| andrewfblack | $920 is still to much for me | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, there's a huge difference between $2k for you and your wife, and $28k | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | I'd even go as far as to say the difference is around $26k | 16:16 |
| oilinki | andrewfblack: from where to where? | 16:16 |
| lcuk | yer, aboput that different - put it in my account | 16:16 |
| lcuk | k thx bye | 16:16 |
| andrewfblack | from dothan, al to Berlin | 16:16 |
| oilinki | where is dothan? | 16:16 |
| andrewfblack | USA | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, it would cost me some £300 back and forth, booze and hostel included | 16:17 |
| lcuk | they have beer in germany? | 16:17 |
| andrewfblack | crashanddie your already on that side of the world | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I think they just started to brew some, yeah | 16:18 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, it costs $30 to go to kmart and buy a rubber boat | 16:18 |
| lcuk | w00t, i hope its fermented in time | 16:18 |
| andrewfblack | Hey are Airlines charging you guys over there for bags now in the US its $15 for first bag and upto $50 for second | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, he's on an island, like US, err, I mean, like us, so everything's 30% more expensive | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, yeah, same here | 16:18 |
| teamcobra | the next nit needs a hole drilled into the stylus holder (to facilitate tying the !@$@! stylus to the tablet) | 16:19 |
| lcuk | they charge us by weight | 16:19 |
| oilinki | lcuk: or maybe catch an weather balloon and try to get to the jet streams :) | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, back in the day, you'd get like 20kg for free... Now You have to pay for the first 15kg... And then it's 21euro per kg above | 16:19 |
| lcuk | teamcobra, lost yours? | 16:19 |
| teamcobra | just found it again.... but the thing is, I'll pull it out, use it, put it in my lap, and then stand up | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | teamcobra, why not just put it back in everytime you put it down? | 16:20 |
| lcuk | do what i do: never ever ever ever take it out opf the case - i use an old stylus from somewhere else and dont touch the proper one | 16:20 |
| teamcobra | crashanddie, I make a valiant effort (I still have my orig. 2), but sometimes things hit the fan and I need to run across the house | 16:20 |
| lcuk | teamcobra, read this: | 16:20 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-02-29.log.html | 16:20 |
| teamcobra | yeah, I was thinking of getting some NDS stylii | 16:21 |
| teamcobra | HAHAHAH, wow ;) | 16:21 |
| lcuk | i have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day :) | 16:21 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, can you give me a small help with the wiki issue ? | 16:21 |
| lcuk | back later anyways | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | (lcuk) i have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | so quoted | 16:22 |
| andrewfblack | I still have both my stylus but one day I'm going to get around to making a mold of them and make some extras incase I lose them | 16:22 |
| teamcobra | is there a way to turn off the power saving on the 810? my wlan cuts out, even though idle time is set to unlimited | 16:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, just got offered a PHP job in Cambridge/Oxford/Central London, pick one | 16:23 |
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| teamcobra | the only way to keep it from cutting out after being idle for 5min or so, is to constantly ping something in an xterm :/ not fun for large scp transfers, etc | 16:24 |
| teamcobra | andrew: make a mold and have emachineshop.com make like 10000 ;p | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Central London should pay at least twice anything else. Cambridge has a large number of tech firms. Oxford's a bit meh | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Driving to the centre of Oxford is a pain and parking is expensive | 16:25 |
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| andrewfblack | I should make a custom I went to the Maemo 2008 Summit Theme for everyone who is going | 16:26 |
| lcuk | and make another batch "i missed the maemo summit and im gutted" | 16:27 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what jaffa says (he know everything) | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: someone said that in a team meeting yesterday. Worrying. | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | he knows, know your mother-tongue | 16:28 |
| lcuk | jaffa? said what - they were gutted | 16:28 |
| lcuk | i cant do anything since i cant see what im typing | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: no, I knew all | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | then stop typing | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Central London would be quite handy, I imagine. | 16:28 |
| lcuk | vnc is ultra slow today, tracy has started some downloads off | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, internet is dog slow here too | 16:29 |
| lcuk | might be virgin itself then | 16:29 |
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| teamcobra | nvm, disabled PSM for my home connection | 16:35 |
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| teprrr | hi, anyone up to maemo-qt4 around? just wondering whether repository.maemo.org's extras-devel pool for diablo is under update or broken atm? getting size mismatchs for a lot of packages | 16:38 |
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| teprrr | libqtcore4, libqt4-network, libqt4-assistant, libqt4-dbus, libqtgui4 and libqt4-test at least | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, N800 experience of the day - eldery man asking me what exactly it is, if you can go on the internet with it.. i explain a bit it's a computer, etc.. and he asks if he can print from it too | 16:51 |
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| pppoe_dude | lol | 16:53 |
| pppoe_dude | would be nice if it had a little thermal printer | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | well i think people shouldnt underestimate the value of the tablets for elderly | 16:55 |
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| lardman | Anyone got Friday afternoon boredom and fancy looking at a malloc problem? | 16:57 |
| derf | I'm not bored, and it's Friday morning here still, but sure, where are you at? | 16:58 |
| lardman | right, it appears that malloc() on the dsp returns 1 when it fails | 16:58 |
| lardman | I tested this by trying to allocate 10000 bytes, and it failed, returning 1 | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it has another definition of NULL? :P | 16:59 |
| lardman | no, NULL is actually 0 | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, weird things like that -has- been seen on OS'es :P) | 16:59 |
| lardman | strange but there we go, it is a DSP after all ;) | 17:00 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5ad316c5 is the debugging output | 17:00 |
| lardman | on l186 I test to see what NULL produces, and then try some mallocs for different sizes | 17:00 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2-use-malloc-sparse-buffers/dsp/codebook.c?revision=31&root=dsp-tremor&view=markup is the code in question | 17:01 |
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| lardman | scroll down to the comment "// some malloc test code here!" | 17:01 |
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| lardman | now the confusing thing is that the code was originally failing to allocate "work", which was to be 28 bytes in size (according to the output), (line 191), but I can successfully allocate this in the test mallocs | 17:03 |
| lardman | so am I missing something obvious (been staring at this code for far too long!) | 17:03 |
| lardman | ? | 17:03 |
| andrewfblack | This has nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about but you know I love GIMP I have been using Photoshop for years since like version 5 I think it was. I just started using GIMP Portable on my thumb drive at work so I can get some work on my Themes done, and I love it I have no use for Photoshop anymore | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: so am i understanding the code correctly as in you're taking the malloced pointer, convert it to a 32 bit integer and start manipulating it? | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | er, or well, actually try to print it | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry, long day at meetings :P) | 17:05 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: just so I can output it, yes | 17:06 |
| teamcobra | this also has nothing to do with anything, but the same place that I got my 810 from this summer @ $299 is now charging $389! wow | 17:06 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: the dbg() fn can only handle 16bit data types | 17:06 |
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| lardman | or rather <=16bit | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | lardman, have you guys been allowed to vote? | 17:07 |
| lardman | yep | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well what is _ogg_malloc defined as? | 17:07 |
| lardman | malloc | 17:07 |
| andrewfblack | teamcobra I wish I would have gotten mine for $389 | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: as in usual C malloc or what? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | libc, that is | 17:08 |
| lardman | not libc, but similar | 17:08 |
| teamcobra | I thought $299 was going to be a new price and that the n9xx was on its way, but (very) glad I sprung for it :D | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: ah, so from the dsp | 17:09 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yep | 17:09 |
| derf | lardman: Your malloc had already failed at that point. | 17:09 |
| derf | Lines 187 through 190 are all the same. | 17:10 |
| derf | Oh, no, wait, you have free's inbetween. | 17:10 |
| derf | Sorry. | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | [279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127] | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | [279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127] | 17:10 |
| teamcobra | andrew: that extra time you got out of yours made up for it, I'm sure.... I've only had mine for about 2 months, and it's always within arm's reach at max ;) | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry for double paste) | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | happens before the actual crash | 17:11 |
| derf | Though 0x7FFFFF is a very suspicious address. | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe they're returning (void *) -1? | 17:11 |
| derf | Maybe. | 17:11 |
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| andrewfblack | teamcobra I got mine about 6 months ago I got it right before the price started dropping I should have waited a few weeks | 17:12 |
| teamcobra | stskeeps: is there an easy way to remove the dropbear ssh server + telnet server from nit-debian after install? | 17:12 |
| teamcobra | andrew: d'oh | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: eh.. nit-debian or deblet? i assume you use newest :P you mean the usb telnet one? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:12 |
| teamcobra | ahh, deblet | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg --remove usbnet-emergency-telnetd i think it's called | 17:13 |
| teamcobra | newest | 17:13 |
| lardman | derf: hmm, yes, that would appear to be more like a fail message | 17:13 |
| teamcobra | sweet, thanks :D | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm probably going to make the emergency console thing be a hold-down-key thing or whatever | 17:13 |
| lardman | I should probably have not freed the memory until the end of the block | 17:13 |
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| teamcobra | it freaked me out when it extracted the emergency telnet server, thought it just untarred something... walking around w/ a telnet server + fail | 17:14 |
| teamcobra | erm, = fail | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: it only listens on usb0 | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i thought about that) | 17:14 |
| lardman | derf: actually that must be wrong, as lengthlist shouldn't be freed by the time i get to my test mallocs | 17:14 |
| * teamcobra applauds | 17:14 | |
| derf | lardman: Right. | 17:14 |
| derf | So you're trying to debug things well after they initially broke. | 17:15 |
| lardman | apparently | 17:15 |
| lardman | strange that I can get either 1 or 0x7FFFFF, though the former may be because the latter address has been used and screwed things up | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: so any first impressions on deblet else? | 17:15 |
| teamcobra | well, if all goes well, I'll have the gnome-basic environment set up soon (apt-getting the 2nd set of packages) | 17:15 |
| lcuk | lardman https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/182 | 17:16 |
| teamcobra | can;t comment yet, figured I'd ask while you were around :) | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: maybe you get a NULL somewhere and 1 is the way the malloc tells you "damn you, you should have seen the OOM already" | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | "so die die die" | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 | 17:16 |
| qwerty12 | 'ello Stskeeps | 17:17 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, the weekend iz here | 17:17 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what to hack on today | 17:17 | |
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| lardman | what's 0x7fffff as a signed int? | 17:18 |
| teamcobra | sts, does right click work in xfce as well, or just gnome (out of curiousity)? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | -1 i think | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: yeah | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | libgtkstylus is included in both | 17:18 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, that was what I thought | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: works in lxde too :P | 17:19 |
| lardman | lcuk: thanks, will take a look at that | 17:19 |
| teamcobra | Sts: gwinning, gwinning, gwinning! :) | 17:19 |
| derf | lardman: 8388607. | 17:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, read that bug report, it talks about masking and alignments and subtracting 1s from things i believe | 17:19 |
| teamcobra | I haven't used lxde yet.... looking @ their homepage, it looks pretty nice | 17:20 |
| lcuk | all related to _ogg_malloc | 17:20 |
| lardman | derf: that's unsigned though isn't it? | 17:20 |
| derf | lardman: It doesn't have a sign bit set. | 17:20 |
| derf | Unless you mean as a 23 bit number, and who would use that? | 17:20 |
| lardman | well the pointer is actually 23bit | 17:20 |
| derf | (in which case it's -1) | 17:20 |
| lardman | iirc | 17:20 |
| lardman | yeah, ok so it's a failure | 17:21 |
| derf | I thought we already said that? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png | 17:22 |
| lardman | yeah, just making sure ;) | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: (we're still working on this environment.) | 17:22 |
| * teamcobra is speechless | 17:23 | |
| teamcobra | what needs to be done? that looks _perfect_ | 17:23 |
| teamcobra | as in, how can I help? :) | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | brightness app (done - http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-brightness.png), rotation app, .. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371 | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | (for things to work on) | 17:24 |
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| teamcobra | bookmarked | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | and this is just first v1.0 .. i have plenty more ideas to work on, but it could just be interesting how fast it's done ;) | 17:26 |
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| teamcobra | yeah, it looks very very clean..... I'm guessing lxde is pretty snappy as well ;) | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | quite.. i still need to do some base things to deblet to make it less battery consuming and run more snappy | 17:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, so now that you have mathematically proved than 0==1 what other miracles can you show off? | 17:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: that's merely the start! | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | next up 1+1=2? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I finally got it past watchdog rebooting the device but it crashed another part, is it alright if I just remount that partition, bind /dev etc and chroot into it and apt-get -f install? | 17:29 |
| lardman | I think I'll have to add error checking to the millions of mallocs :( | 17:29 |
| lcuk | :D heh you do know c-base is right next to the river dont you | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: what part did it mess up in? the huge apt-get? | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yep | 17:29 |
| lcuk | just redefine _ogg_malloc :) | 17:29 |
| teamcobra | Sts: is it an impossibility to use directfb on the nit? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: apt-get -f install yeah, and then .. sec | 17:30 |
| * lcuk just created app_alloc for a similar purpose | 17:30 | |
| Stskeeps | teamcobra: err.. no clue, it has a framebuffer | 17:30 |
| teamcobra | (not sure about driver limitations too much other than the 3d issue) | 17:30 |
| lardman | yeah, I can add the check to the define | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | and we lock deblet users to X | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | er | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | don't | 17:30 |
| lardman | I'm running out of space for static declarations now though, too many dbg() text strings in there! | 17:30 |
| lcuk | lardman, do it as a fn, defines lead to notorious problems | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | teamcobra: directfb has an omap driver that compiles with the omapfb driver in the kernel | 17:31 |
| lcuk | especially if you are trying to be clever | 17:31 |
| teamcobra | I'll test it later on, directfb should free up some memory and speed a few things up | 17:31 |
| lardman | lcuk: yep, fair enough | 17:31 |
| teamcobra | qwerty: oh wow! :) | 17:31 |
| lcuk | qwerty directfb - would it interest me as someone who likes fast graphics? | 17:31 |
| teamcobra | lcuk: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/08/framebuffer-vs-x11/ might be your answer ;) | 17:32 |
| lcuk | errrr not with this slowass connection it wont (vnc) | 17:32 |
| teamcobra | ack, nvm that | 17:32 |
| lcuk | just an aye or a nay would suffice ;) | 17:33 |
| teamcobra | yes, it is much quicker than x ;) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | is it quicker than xv? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: after done, run python in /usr/libexec/deblet , import deblet_installer\ndeblet_installer.fake_start_stop_daemon_delete("/mnt/deblet")\n | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | (\n being newlines) | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: thanks | 17:33 |
| lcuk | teamcobra, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI whichever library will let me do this sort of thing ill use | 17:34 |
| teamcobra | lcuk: will have to benchmark on the nit to say for certain | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: and apt-get autoclean; apt-get clean as well. and you'll have to write your own .item afterwards and set root password | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | f***, I can't wait :P | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's quite simple, plenty of examples on ITT :P | 17:34 |
| teamcobra | lcuk: yeah, no reason why it wouldn't fly :) | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: if it wasn't because apt-get is so bloody picky (apt-get errors, have to dpkg --configure -a, or apt-get again, no idea what caused it etc), i'd make a "Abort, Retry, Complain to God" dialog | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | or able to pick up on install again | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | so qwerty12, since your watchdog kills your tablet so much.. I'm inclined to believe you're actually the secret hoster of maemo.org ;> | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | teamcobra, ill have a look, but for now im a bit dubious as to anything fast smooth and tearfree on this device | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: With these uptimes? http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm :P | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:37 |
| lcuk | back later | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | Arrgh, anyone know what the chinook/diablo equivalent of the bora HILDON_AUTOCAP is? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i asssume you installed to a partition btw? | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: hell yeah | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | else you'd have to write your own vfat second stage linuxrc ;) | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | That would make me SOL :) | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | i went insane writing the template. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's a neat trick though | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12 | fglrx hates me :( | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | it failed again? | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/Screenshot-2.png >.< | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: time to run a memtest? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, that looks -fucked- | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, yes, I should do thanks | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | so, standard crond takes a lot of battery, right? but what makes alarmd different in its ways of doing things? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | No idea but you can always apt-get source alarmd :) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | i thought that was closed source | 17:48 |
| yacoob | hm... what's with people using mpd, when you can just use upnp av? | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Nah it's open. There is a tool which uses cal but that doesn't get built by default | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, it uses retu | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | yacoob: I use mpd as the server on the tablet itself | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse Werror | 17:52 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Werror ! | 17:52 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 17:53 |
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| qwerty12 | baa | 17:54 |
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| lardman | it's the weekend! | 17:55 |
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| lardman|gone | :) | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, it's takeaway night! | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | is there any way to detect if a tablet goes into deep sleep? if i wanted to make a script noticing it | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: iirc, if it is, the touch screen is disabled right? | 17:58 |
| yacoob | qwerty12, what for? | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | yacoob: the only mp3 player I have that doesn't slow down the rest of my tablet | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: total dim doesnt reflect on 100% sleep state | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have been on ssh wit dimmed screen | 17:58 |
| yacoob | ah :> | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: hmm, there is a value in sysfs that can disable the touch screen, i was thinking you could read it if the touch screen was disabled :> | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i can detect activity but thats not the same as deep sleep.. if i have to optimize deblet, i have to know what makes the tablet sleep :) | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | other than a severe beating | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | ah :) | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:02 |
| * qwerty12 wishes UNetbootin supported "darwin" ;) | 18:02 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you gave up on bootchart or how was it? | 18:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I gave up. after getting it to produce logs which wern't in a single tgz, when I shoved it into the visualiser, it was blank, wtf :D | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hehe | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | just made a .jar that supports MMC traffic measurement so | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.bootlogd.png | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | That's cool :) | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol, how many times do you compile a kernel? :P. I see #16 | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, my "conversion" of some bora code to diablo worked | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i use rotation enabled kernel or something.. | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: pfft, I want a bootchart for Maemo ;-) | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: ahh :).I roll out my own kernel, want to look at the patch? :P | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: some guy did it i think .. sec | 18:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | Voting open: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http:/888 | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: thanks | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: err... | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | setting irc topics on a n810 must be a nightmare | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | either that or its in his pocket.. | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:12 |
| teamcobra | :P | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: If you can roll that into mud-builder, I'll think you are the greatest! | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | "logs at http:/888"? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | hell at http:/666 | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: btw, I could vote, ha! :P | 18:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa: sorry for the topic | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | my n810 was setting it while it was in my pocket | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/was/has | 19:06 |
| teamcobra | hehehe | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: do I have to leave deblet mounted as ro in the .item file? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | we remount rw when time is | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | ok, thanks, I think this is actually working :O | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there a problem setting gtk.CellRenderText background and foreground ? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Well, except for the gnome settings daemon not starting :/ | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | the only 'color' i get is blank | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hm? in deblet or? | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: in deblet. volume control isn't wokring either | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | if I can't get this to work, I'll leave the debian until the lxde environment is ready | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | did you do the fake start stop stuff? | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yep | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | -full or -basic? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | and lxde environment is sortof ready, apt-get install nit-env-lxde | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | There was only -basic | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not customized to tablet use yet but it's trivial to get working | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and then update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | could you verify that /sbin/start-stop-daemon is actually not fake? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | (did you remount when apt-getting to /mnt/deblet?) | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | /sbin/start-stop-daemon looks real to me | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | I binded /dev/ etc | 19:18 |
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| qwerty12 | and chrooted and dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like the correct steps | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | meh, i've restarted it now and booted back into maemo. I've got an headache, I can't be bothered atm :) | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | what I will do is though is work in a merger of your initfs and my initfs :> | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, alright | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:22 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: though, does bootmenu remove any other entries that you add manually when it refreshes? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's kinda weird your maemo sets out like that.. you run 48mhz kernel? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah + preempt :/ | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: no, but edit /etc/bootmenu.conf as this is updated along | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | as that's what's going into initfs | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | k | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12 | I have no doubts in the deblet project, I think the installer is perfect, just my N800 :). The nit-env-stskeeps installed fine but was a bit lacklustre for me :) | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i got tired of it myself too | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | it was mostly for showoff :> | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | heh, I wanted to install more apps, where's my synaptic!?! :P. (yes, I did use apt-get in the end to install irssi. until on the next boot when it decided to corrupt itself >.<) | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | but if you want to install succesfully maybe flasher-3.0 with boot original kernel (not flash, just use image for boot :P) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 is too unstable, better make that flash :P | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:30 |
| * qwerty12 has to add mkfs.jffs2 to initfs, that's a standard for me now :) | 19:31 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | someone know i can remove border between two gtk.CellRendererText ? | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: btw, have you ever looked at /usr/share/images/logo-nokia? | 19:36 |
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| yacoob | qwerty12, isn't compression overhead too high? | 19:41 |
| yacoob | (I guess that depends on what you keep on such fs) | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | yacoob: for what? | 19:42 |
| yacoob | qwerty12, I'm guessing you've formatted mmc[12] with that? | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | yacoob: no :), I leave mkfs.jffs2 in the initfs for backing up the /dev/mtdblock4 / rootfs. my mmc is vfat and ext3 | 19:43 |
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| yacoob | ah. | 19:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bye | 19:44 |
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| snowmoon-work | Please won't someone think of Jack and support the iPhone envy hotline? | 20:16 |
| johnx | hmmm | 20:16 |
| johnx | eh? | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: read his crap on -developers | 20:17 |
| lbt | I rather liked my justification as to why our touch screens were hot ;) | 20:17 |
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| brontide | oh, great, now he will come here | 20:23 |
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| zhaozhou | AH! Maemo channel! Great! | 20:43 |
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| johnx | hello zhaozhou | 20:43 |
| zhaozhou | Hey. :-) | 20:44 |
| zhaozhou | Got my n810 home today, I'm over-excited! | 20:45 |
| zhaozhou | :-D | 20:45 |
| johnx | what are you planning to use it for? | 20:45 |
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| zhaozhou | Both as a study-helper-tool and for entertainment. :-) Browsing for a todo and a calendar right now. :-) | 20:47 |
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| johnx | gpe-calendar gpe-todo mcalendar and dates | 20:48 |
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| johnx | ^some things you might be interested in^ | 20:48 |
| jott | ~musthave | 20:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects | 20:49 |
| zhaozhou | johnx, Oh, thank you! | 20:49 |
| jott | zhaozhou: ^^ :) | 20:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum i should add mCalendar :) | 20:50 |
| jott | ;) | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx jott to promote my solft | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | soft | 20:50 |
| zhaozhou | ALthough, i saw that i had to have the suite for the gpe-summary, which seems nice. :-D Would be great to have it on the front-page | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | you can also use homecalendar :) | 20:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | which depends on mCalendar | 20:51 |
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| zhaozhou | Must practice writing on this thing... have'nt typed with a qwerty keyboard for quite awhile. :-) | 20:54 |
| andrewfblack | zhaozhou the typing gets easier after a while | 20:54 |
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| andrewfblack | you know the only thing I don't like on the keyboard is the FN key only on one side I use @ alot and its hard to type it | 20:56 |
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| zhaozhou | andrewfblack, Ah. I'm not too fond of qwerty at all, but with this thing, I'm willing to re-learn it. xD | 20:57 |
| zhaozhou | What devices do you all use? Mostly the n800 and n810? | 20:58 |
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| andrewfblack | N810 here | 20:59 |
| jott | most here have n8x0 nowadays. but there are still a few 770 only users :) | 20:59 |
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| zhaozhou | Nice. :-) | 21:00 |
| johnx | I have a growing collection of ARM linux devices O_o; | 21:00 |
| zhaozhou | Hmm... is there perhaps support for NFS in this thing? | 21:00 |
| zhaozhou | johnx, My first one, woho! | 21:01 |
| andrewfblack | I'm not beleaving this my Matrix theme I've been working on for weeks is screwed up | 21:01 |
| johnx | zhaozhou, I'm sure someone has compiled a module to support NFS... | 21:01 |
| jott | zhaozhou: yes. nfs-common | 21:02 |
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| andrewfblack | I can't beleave 3 weeks of work on my Matrix theme is gone | 21:03 |
| andrewfblack | I was jus talking about how much I started to like GIMP instead of Photoshop and then this happens | 21:04 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, what happened? | 21:04 |
| andrewfblack | I was working on it this morning and when I open it now its all corpt looking | 21:04 |
| zhaozhou | Whoa. :D | 21:05 |
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| johnx | andrewfblack, can I take a look at it? | 21:05 |
| andrewfblack | yeah whats your email addy? | 21:05 |
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| andrewfblack | its on its way | 21:07 |
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| andrewfblack | the only backup I have is in .png format and is over a week old | 21:08 |
| andrewfblack | plus it wont have my layers in the .png one | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | :D im famous, darius knows who i am. in reality i dont know whether to be scared or not | 21:08 |
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| andrewfblack | johnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it andrewblck.com/Stuff/MatrixTemplate.psd | 21:12 |
| andrewfblack | johnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/MatrixTemplate.psd | 21:12 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, I'll take a look at it...no promises. | 21:13 |
| VDVsx | johnx, just for curiosity how much arm gadgets do you have ? | 21:13 |
| andrewfblack | thanks, if I have to I can start over with the weekold .png file | 21:13 |
| johnx | VDVsx, 3: a zaurus 5500, a zaurus c1000 and an n800 | 21:14 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, in the future you might want to avoid working in .psd format in gimp... | 21:14 |
| VDVsx | johnx, a good collection :), I have 3 to | 21:15 |
| johnx | VDVsx, what have you got? | 21:15 |
| VDVsx | johnx, n810, openmoko freerunner and a iPOD (still count as ARM device :) ) | 21:16 |
| johnx | VDVsx, well if we can count anything with an ARM, my phone probably counts too :P | 21:16 |
| johnx | I'd bet there's an ARM7 in it, maybe... | 21:16 |
| andrewfblack | well I've been going back and forth between Photoshop at home and GIMP at work I guess I just need to stick with GIMP everywhere | 21:16 |
| VDVsx | johnx, maybe mine too, I dunno | 21:17 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, well, import to your psd to gimp, work in xcf, then "save a copy" as psd | 21:17 |
| johnx | yeah, I see what you mean by corrupted...that looks pretty bad | 21:18 |
| zhaozhou | Hmm, is there a site for themes to this little beauty? :-) | 21:18 |
| VDVsx | johnx, my phone have : ARM 11 369 MHz processor, so 4 devices | 21:19 |
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| VDVsx | ARM is everyhere :) | 21:19 |
| * lcuk waves @ VDVsx | 21:19 | |
| andrewfblack | johnx when I screw up a document I screw it up lol | 21:20 |
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| johnx | andrewfblack, I've never seen gimp screw up a picture in 10 years of using it...but working in PSD format is pretty risky I guess | 21:21 |
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| andrewfblack | yeah I'm going to start working in xcf and just save a copy to .psd incase I need to take it back to psd | 21:22 |
| andrewfblack | or just ues GIMP at home now | 21:23 |
| johnx | that really sucks...I thought it might be something reversible :/ | 21:24 |
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| andrewfblack | I'll just have to start off from where my .png version is from. I was going to release that theme tonight but don't look like i am now. | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, the key phrase you need here is backup | 21:27 |
| andrewfblack | I do but I only backup the stuff on my thumb drive about once a week | 21:27 |
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| johnx | do "lazy backups:" save a copy locally then copy to thumb drive | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | thats not often enough :) get into the routine of making nightlies - even if you dont use something like svn you can still do it | 21:28 |
| lcuk | yer | 21:28 |
| lcuk | i have a small script which i can run anytime which simply .tar.gzs the cwd with a datestamp and reason | 21:29 |
| johnx | lcuk, you're starting to sound like a linux geek :D :P | 21:29 |
| lcuk | lol johnx, ive always taken backups :) i still have the contents of my user profile from college days | 21:30 |
| johnx | not that. just the linuxy jargon :P | 21:30 |
| lcuk | my linux n00byisms are simply because i dont know the syntax | 21:30 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:30 |
| johnx | I was just lucky that linux was my first command line | 21:31 |
| andre____ | ...hmm, "making nightlies"... i've read "night lies" and wondered what that refered to :-P | 21:31 |
| lcuk | i was sat in work yesterday with a cmd.exe window open wishing it to be a proper console | 21:31 |
| lcuk | i was shocked at myself | 21:31 |
| lcuk | and the bastard thing didnt understand ls | 21:31 |
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| johnx | lcuk, muahaha. we will drag you kicking and screaming into the linux shell | 21:32 |
| * lcuk logged into the router instead | 21:32 | |
| lcuk | i surprisingly felt more at home there :) it has busybox on it and telnet works | 21:32 |
| * johnx remembers the cisco router command line | 21:33 | |
| johnx | ugh | 21:33 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 21:33 | |
| ds3 | IOS is fun | 21:33 |
| ds3 | IOS is your friend ;) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | long day Stskeeps ? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | or are we borin u | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | long day | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | up 6.30 for student group meeting at uni 8.30-11.00, work 11 till late and home | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:35 |
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| andrewfblack | not going to beleave this but I got my file back its from last night but I remembered that I was installing some new apps to my Thumb drive last night and when I do that it backups my documents then wipes the drive first. Well I just used mesh.com to remote to my desktop at home then looked on my wifes Harddrive since I have it shared on network and there it was. | 21:39 |
| andrewfblack | I lost about 2 hours of work on it I did this morning but thats not bad | 21:40 |
| johnx | rawk! | 21:41 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, amazing, now take a backup of your backup and store it in your backup backups location and make sure you learn from this | 21:41 |
| * ToyKeeper discovers that the gui application manager doesn't list all packages under "all", and that nfs-common is missing dependencies (portmap, rpcbind) | 21:41 | |
| lcuk | ToyKeeper, thats because its a consumer device and they dont need to be able to uninstall ub3rneededentries | 21:42 |
| andrewfblack | lcuk I just need to setup my thumb drive so it backs it self up when I plug it in at home | 21:42 |
| jott | ToyKeeper: portmap and rpcbind are in the diablo/tools repository | 21:42 |
| ToyKeeper | Thanks. :) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, as long as you feel comfortable losing stuff between then cool. | 21:43 |
| * lcuk tries to think like a good c coder all the time: assume everything will fail and cover all the exits | 21:44 | |
| ToyKeeper | I'm not used to having inter-repository dependencies. | 21:45 |
| jott | heh welcome to the world of maemo :) | 21:45 |
| jott | but it is seriously better nowadays. | 21:45 |
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| zhaozhou | This is a modified version of debian, right? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | step one of making bluetooth dun work under deblet.. -- find wtf your phone is hiding, since it is visible in bluetooth, but you cant see it.. | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | maemo? aye | 21:57 |
| ToyKeeper | Hmm, nfs-common has some issues. insmod: can't open '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/sunrpc.ko': No such file or directory | 21:58 |
| zhaozhou | Nice. :-) | 21:58 |
| * ToyKeeper wonders why /lib/modules doesn't exist | 21:58 | |
| zhaozhou | Another one setting up NFS.. | 21:58 |
| zhaozhou | THen ill probably run into that soon enough aswell. | 21:59 |
| johnx | ToyKeeper, look for it under /mnt/initfs/lib/modules | 21:59 |
| ToyKeeper | Yeah, I just found that with a "find /", but why does the package look in the wrong place? | 22:00 |
| johnx | ToyKeeper, if it's meant to run from initfs? | 22:00 |
| zhaozhou | What's the default user password? | 22:01 |
| johnx | zhaozhou, it's not set | 22:01 |
| johnx | neither is root | 22:01 |
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| zhaozhou | Ah. Hard to sudo then. | 22:01 |
| ToyKeeper | This looks promising: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ | 22:01 |
| johnx | zhaozhou, rootsh from downloads.maemo.org | 22:02 |
| ToyKeeper | It was the first hit for "diablo sunrpc" (the sunrpc module is still missing; apparently nfs-common is missing kernel-diablo-modules-extra as a dep). | 22:02 |
| zhaozhou | johnx, ah. :-D thank you | 22:03 |
| GAN800 | ~root-access | 22:06 |
| infobot | from memory, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | for crying out loud.. wvdial segfaults upon connection | 22:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles cackles loudly. https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint5#Activity_log | 22:33 | |
| zhaozhou | Hmm... can i kinda simulate an up-arrow? | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | Ha! Ubuntu on my work laptop has singularly failed to detect that my work monitor isn't plugged in, so is only showing half the display | 22:36 |
| zhaozhou | previous command. :-) | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, simulate? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the up arrow? | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: oooh, shiny. | 22:36 |
| zhaozhou | GeneralAntilles, Oh wait! | 22:36 |
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| * zhaozhou smashes his head against the table. | 22:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, both because of Fremantle and because I'm about to get an insane karma boost. ;) | 22:37 |
| zhaozhou | That was stupid of me. xD | 22:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zhaozhou, don't worry, most people don't figure that one out on their own. | 22:37 |
| MishaS | ~seen X-Fade | 22:37 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo, last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, should be back tomorrow according to the wiki. | 22:38 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, yes, I remember :) | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which sounds like he actually means "Monday". ;) | 22:38 |
| MishaS | he just appears time to time here, as far as i see... | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hasn't said a word since he left for vacation. | 22:38 |
| MishaS | really? | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not one. ;) | 22:39 |
| MishaS | hmm... | 22:39 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: heh | 22:39 |
| * MishaS wonders why he saw "14 mins ago"... | 22:39 | |
| MishaS | btw, does anybody know where karma thing is explained? :) | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not. | 22:39 |
| MishaS | good :) | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I opened an enhancement request to get a breakdown page. | 22:39 |
| MishaS | then the place is called "nowhere" :D | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can always dive into the code to look | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all in one place. | 22:40 |
| MishaS | nah... i do not want to look into that code.. :-/ | 22:40 |
| MishaS | i might stop using the site after that.. :) if i do not like the code... | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: hmm, do you remember the id of the "karma not updating bug"? Mine's stopped updating - I may have plateaued - but it could be back again | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure my discussions karma hasn't updated in a while. | 22:42 |
| * MishaS . o O (maybe it was updated manually?..) | 22:42 | |
| MishaS | guys, what do you think about packages in extras to affect karma? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should run once every 24 hours. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should already | 22:42 |
| MishaS | really? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Downloads entries are automatically generated. | 22:42 |
| MishaS | hmm... | 22:42 |
| MishaS | what about downloads from extras? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, my discussions karma is stuck. | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: mine neither. Neither has my "blogs" despite getting a load of favourites for, oh, the election one | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | As are the favorites and buries | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, the downloads numbers are calculated for Downloads from Extras. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The karma formula doesn't factor in downloads, I believe, though. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's based on the rating. | 22:43 |
| MishaS | sorry, what i meant that download counts would affect uploader's karma... | 22:44 |
| johnx | if it came from downloads I think rm_you would win... | 22:44 |
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| * MishaS wonders how to encourage developers to use extras instead of using own repositories | 22:44 | |
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| Jaffa | I think the calculation of karma from downloads.maemo.org is sub-optimal. It should be a combination of number of votes, overall rating & number of downloads | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | That doesn't encourage extras use, admittedly. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poke them continually with one of my sharpened sticks until they comply. | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | Uploading a package to extras could give a boost, perhaps? | 22:45 |
| * MishaS ponders idea of DDoSing gronmeyer :) | 22:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Downloads is based on the downloads from Extras. | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, it hasn't been updated for Diablo. | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is helping curb its popularity. | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: not for all of them - certainly for the non-tablet software it's just number of clicks on the 'download' link | 22:46 |
| MishaS | it does not have to be updated for diablo... 2008 is enough | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: aha. #2481 - going to reopen | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The best thing we can do to get developers to use Extras is to provide incentive. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make the autobuilder straightforward, simple to use, and FAST | 22:46 |
| lbt | isn't it? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Provide useful stats tracking features. | 22:47 |
| lbt | I found it so | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, only sometimes. ;) | 22:47 |
| melmoth | Resolve autobuilder bugs... :-) | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221269&postcount=16 :) | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stats breakdowns would help. | 22:47 |
| * lbt looks around to make sure he's not in #maemo-meeting | 22:47 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, does it behave differently from normal debian? | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some value-added features for the Application manager might be cool, too. | 22:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ratings and bug reports direct from h-a-m | 22:48 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've name checked you on #2481 reopen | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not really no - but wvdial has a bug so gnome-ppp and other gui utils using it won't work | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: but i have a connection going now atleast | 22:48 |
| zhaozhou | Your favourite media player for maemo? :-) | 22:48 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, what's not 'straightforward', 'not simple' and 'not fast' about autobuilder? | 22:49 |
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| johnx | zhaozhou, youamp and canola are nice | 22:49 |
| MishaS | and how AppMgr could be improved? | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, when firewall issues crop up that prevent the autobuilder from fetching dependencies | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | or when the server's overloaded | 22:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | or when builds die for no reason. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Small things, and I'm mostly speaking generally. :) | 22:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can you point me at something to get me to: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png which I caught in passing earlier... | 22:50 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, firewall issues are still there? | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, not that I know of, but, like I said, I'm speaking generally. | 22:50 |
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| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, to support your nick name? :) | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: apt-get install nit-env-lxde, edit nm-applet.desktop in /usr/share/applications to not only show in gnome. same goes for bluez-gnome one | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i mean in autostart in .. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, :) | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | /etc/xdg/autostart | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some more cool features might help, too. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a live build monitor. | 22:51 |
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| MishaS | i must say that number of packags in diablo repository is surprisingly bigger than in chinook's one :) | 22:51 |
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| MishaS | now if it would be possible to encourage the rest to use it... :) | 22:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ta... | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't get me wrong, btw, I like the autobuilder, and I think it's been a major boost for Extras | 22:52 |
| elekt | what's the lightest mp3 player battery-wise? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and lxlauncher in the background.. didn't autostart it | 22:53 |
| johnx | elekt, probably the included one | 22:53 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, no problems. it's the next step that seems to be very difficult :-/ | 22:53 |
| dystopia | Stskeeps do you still code on UnrealIRCd? | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good documentation will help bring the stragglers in. | 22:53 |
| elekt | i thought so, but i was hoping you'd say canola ;) | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 22:53 |
| infobot | hmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That needs to be fleshed out some | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | perhaps cover more edge cases | 22:54 |
| elekt | we should do some benchmarks | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | dystopia: i try to avoid it.. besides that tablet work is much more rewarding | 22:54 |
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| NeoStrider_ | hey folks | 22:54 |
| dystopia | a'ight... loved your IRCd :-) | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: oh, i noticed something in matchbox source, an applet.. not sure if that has something that makes it more integrated | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | as it embeds the keyboard or something | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | dystopia: http://inspircd.org/?p=stats speaks for itself :> | 22:55 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hmm...now there's a thought | 22:55 |
| dystopia | hihi | 22:55 |
| dystopia | Stskeeps: and codey? whats he up to these days? | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | dystopia: codemastr? he hasn't been around for years.. he's with http://www.rightreasontech.com/ i believe | 22:57 |
| elekt | ok one more question. what games do you guys play on n8*0 | 22:57 |
| elekt | when on the road | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | numpty physics :P | 22:58 |
| dystopia | Stskeeps: interesting, thanks | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | duke nuke | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | m | 22:58 |
| elekt | duke nukem on nit? | 22:58 |
| VDVsx | I have a frustrating problem with the maemo wiki in the last days, my login is always expiring, anyone can help me :( ? | 22:59 |
| dystopia | nethack<3 | 22:59 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: is there an issue with wifi on deblet? | 22:59 |
| lbt | it seems to have a vastly reduced range] | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm not sure if the mw setting is done right, atleast | 23:00 |
| lbt | ie 10ft doesn't work reliably | 23:00 |
| lbt | OK - so long as it's not just me | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | i have my tablet like a meter from my AP and it's at 3/5 bars | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: try fiddle with iwconfig and see if that solves anything | 23:00 |
| lbt | I'm in the same room and it won't connect unless I walk over to the AP | 23:00 |
| lbt | 'k | 23:01 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, don't trust what nm-applet says too much... | 23:01 |
| dystopia | Stskeeps: you need to put it out of its faraday cage ;-) | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: true | 23:01 |
| Anunakin | elekt: Look here http://anunakin.blogspot.com/ ... I ported.. Flashback and Out of This World... | 23:01 |
| elekt | ty | 23:02 |
| elekt | checking | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i don't understand why a bloody wifi applet uses 15% memory anyway :P | 23:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, aaah...that's probably the other reason I stayed away :/ | 23:03 |
| johnx | a lot of it is probably shared libs though | 23:03 |
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| johnx | I'm really looking forward to better xip support in linux | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | xip? | 23:03 |
| johnx | execute in place | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:03 |
| johnx | I imagine Nokia is looking forward to it as well :D | 23:04 |
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| dystopia | Stskeeps: one other thing, what is the standard on services these days? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | dystopia: no clue.. ircservices are okay, but thats not relevant to this channel :P | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | and atheme | 23:06 |
| elekt | Anunakin what's thename of the process for reminiscence | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: looks like a specialized page fault handler really.. i thought stuff like this was already implemented to some degree with COW stuff | 23:07 |
| elekt | i switched to desktop an now i can't get back | 23:07 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I know it existed to some degree. I just heard positive mumblings recently and got interested/hopeful again :) | 23:08 |
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| dystopia | right.. pm just never works well on this network :> | 23:16 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: std deblet ... E: Couldn't find package nit-env-lxde | 23:23 |
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| johnx | lbt, when is your deblet install from? | 23:24 |
| lbt | mmm - 2 weeks ago | 23:24 |
| lbt | I did an update | 23:24 |
| lbt | maybe a touch longer | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: upgrade_deblet | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | (it rebuilds the repo) | 23:25 |
| lbt | svn: OPTIONS of 'http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/installerdeb': could not connect to server (http://trac.tspre.org) | 23:25 |
| lbt | and /usr/sbin/upgrade_deblet: line 5: cd: installerdeb/usr/libexec/deblet: No such file or directory | 23:26 |
| lbt | ;( | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | no net connection? | 23:26 |
| lbt | yes - update and apt were OK | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221283&postcount=28 | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: restarting apache.. | 23:27 |
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| lbt | say "when" | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | now | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:28 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I agree with his *idea* actually...but I think his *services* might be a little overkill... | 23:28 |
| lbt | same problem - do I need to clean up? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just wish somebody had brought it up 2 months ago. | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: telnet trac.tspre.org 80 doesnt work? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was mostly too focused on getting enough inertia behind the plan to care about voting methods. | 23:29 |
| lbt | gimme a sec - an apt-get update was OK a few mins ago... | 23:29 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think it doesn't really matter in this case. | 23:29 |
| lbt | odd | 23:29 |
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| lbt | it's working now | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:31 |
| lbt | there was a 'no route to host' moment | 23:31 |
| lbt | but I was ssh'ed in | 23:31 |
| lbt | and IRC was OK | 23:31 |
| lbt | sigh: No space left on device | 23:32 |
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| lbt | rootfs 2.0G 799M 1.1G 42% / | 23:32 |
| lbt | is that supposed to run whilst booted into deblet? | 23:33 |
| lbt | or from maemo? | 23:33 |
| zhaozhou | Seems to be missing the python module named 'hildon' for mindmap... python2.5-module-hildon will fix this, right? Or do i need the -dev-package? Been awhile since i ran anything debian-based... | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, within deblet | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | i dont have a chroot version yet | 23:34 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d12079c1d | 23:34 |
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| lmoura | zhaozhou, python2.5-hildon? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | you ran it on maemo? :P | 23:34 |
| lbt | no | 23:34 |
| lbt | deblet | 23:35 |
| zhaozhou | lmoura, ah, yes, right. :-) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: eh.. that's odd, what's your /tmp like? | 23:35 |
| lbt | supertiny | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it there a tmpfs on it? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 23:36 |
| lbt | overflow 1.0M 12K 1012K 2% /tmp | 23:36 |
| lbt | and | 23:36 |
| lbt | none 1.0M 12K 1012K 2% /tmp | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 23:36 |
| lbt | spooky | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | could you pastebin /proc/mounts for me? | 23:36 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d7132b341 | 23:37 |
| lbt | I was doing just that :) | 23:37 |
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| lbt | FWIW I haven't meddled with deblet | 23:37 |
| lbt | and I don't *think* I played with linuxrc/initfs | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. think there's some oddity in the mountoverflowtmp stuff | 23:38 |
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| lbt | so does it need debugging or just barging past ? | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -l dash | 23:40 |
| lbt | no | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 23:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders | 23:41 | |
| lbt | FWIW it looks like I installed on 23 August | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | restart deblet? :P | 23:41 |
| lbt | sorry, you mean win-deblet | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | well it only mounts an overflow if there's not enough space in /tmp.. which is odd | 23:42 |
| lbt | tmp was mounted on tmpfs which I don't need | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:42 |
| lbt | since I have 2Gb on ext3 on SD | 23:42 |
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| lbt | but I left it all as 'standard' | 23:42 |
| RST38h | "The brushtail possum, described as being "as big as a fat cat", went on a two-hour rampage after attacking a friend of the family." | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you boot through linuxrc (the bootmenu patches) or not? | 23:43 |
| * Khertan_n810 will vote for community member which will ban darius from itt and dev mailing list | 23:44 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, you were still using the old method around 8/23, right? | 23:44 |
| RST38h | vote for darius himself! | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: probably | 23:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, I would if I could. | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I CAN keep #maemo safe, though. :D | 23:45 |
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| lbt | I do | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 23:46 |
| lbt | and both /tmp are there on bootup | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say a reboot would be in order since it only happens when /tmp directory has not enough space.. and i think df -h might have been tricked or something | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | (see /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp) | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Right, invite darius here | 23:47 |
| lbt | I have just rebooted | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Make fun of him, then kick him repeatedly, then ban him so that he channels his energy into trying to hack into this channel | 23:47 |
| lbt | and they are in /proc/mounts and mount -h | 23:48 |
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| RST38h | This will keep him busy | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: with overflow still? | 23:48 |
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| lbt | yes | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: could you pastebin your /etc/init.d/boot-basics? | 23:48 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d69fe5344 | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | rm /etc/mtab and see if that helps any | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | there might have been a leftover from old booting | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | (need reboot) | 23:51 |
| lbt | yep | 23:51 |
| lbt | init 6 | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's really amazing how unix systems can get confused | 23:52 |
| lbt | it says mounting emergenvy tmp... | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | workaround: edit /etc/default/mountoverflowtmp , insert MINTMPKB=0 | 23:54 |
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| lbt | well, no difference removing /etc/mtab | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | after workaround please do df -kP /tmp |grep -v Filesystem :P | 23:56 |
| lbt | ok | 23:57 |
| setuid0 | wow, 291 users on #maemo... | 23:57 |
| setuid0 | is this usual? | 23:58 |
| lbt | 230 are always asleep - it's weird | 23:58 |
| setuid0 | ic | 23:58 |
| Veggen | not so weird. | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | the silent community | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:58 |
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| setuid0 | first time here, so i'm asking | 23:58 |
| Veggen | I stay here almost always, but sometimes, time for IRC is *extremely* limited. | 23:59 |
| setuid0 | well, most have DO have a life :-) | 23:59 |
| setuid0 | most ppl* | 23:59 |
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