IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-08-30

riotit looks pretty but.. the iPh*ck is pretty.. i want functionality. (And i got it)00:01
AngieQlolz, i like the idea of that device, not the locked down nature of it00:02
lsobralriot, canola uses mplayer as backend00:02
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riotlsobral: then they forgot several important codecs00:04
riotwoo, 400 mhz ain't enough for hd-media00:06
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GeneralAntillesWhat lsobral said00:11
GeneralAntillesThe mplayer you get from the commandline or GMPlayer is the exact same mplayer Canola uses.00:11
GeneralAntillesand don't hate on Canola for being close00:11
GeneralAntillesThe Canola guys have contributed more open source code to the platform than just about any other single source.00:12
lbtit's hard00:12
GeneralAntillesYou wouldn't have Python for Maemo without INdT. ;)00:12
PebbyNot hating on 'em at all, I just thought it was cool and wanted to work on it =(00:13
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etrunkoPebby: all of us00:15
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mgedminmake them yourself00:47
AStormProteous: you forgot sudo00:48
* mgedmin waits expectantly for the inevitable xkcd link00:48
AStormmgedmin: I did that ;P00:48
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Pebbyyou forgot to make install00:48
* mgedmin should type faster00:48
Pebbyand ./configure --oven-temperature00:48
mgedmindon't forget ./flasher --enable-rd-mode00:48
* Pebby is sad autogen brownies doesn't work D:00:48
Proteousmake install me some brownies00:49
crashanddieit's just easier to yell "WOMAN, BRING ME FOOD"00:49
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Proteousto unpredictaqble, I don't want food, just brownies00:49
AStormProteous: oh, then you'll have to do some pre and postprocessing00:50
crashanddiethat's usually the point she slams the door and goes away to do some social crying with her BFF slash mother00:50
AStormif you do that well, you'll get brownies and extra ;P00:50
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Pebbyyou have to make clean your oven first, AStorm ;)00:51
AStormPebby: sure00:51
AStormit's very inconvenient00:51
AStormI'd just combine an oven with a dishwasher00:51
Proteousapt get install brownies00:51
AStormthat could actually sell00:51
moontigermgedmin... that xkcd is my fave :)00:52
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Proteous10 make brownies00:56
GeneralAntillesAnybody familiar with NFS want to clean this up?
Proteous20 eat brownies00:56
Proteous30 goto 1000:56
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ProteousMmmm tapioca-voip00:58
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Pebbywhile [ (baking == 1) ]; water{mouth}01:00
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GeneralAntillesandre___, sooo, guided?01:02
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andre___GeneralAntilles, :-D After changing the template quite a lot, I'm fine with it01:03
andre___I should have been more clear01:03
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GeneralAntillesI shouldn't have made it out to be a mutually-exclusive proposition.01:04
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* GeneralAntilles sighs.02:02
GeneralAntillesHe added snarky bullshit instead of a real health warning.02:03
GeneralAntillesI'm STILL in favor of deletion.02:03
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lcukGeneralAntilles, it was you that edited it and added the warning?02:13
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lcukgood evening by the way02:13
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lbtit's crap02:16
GeneralAntillesYes, lcuk.02:17
GeneralAntilleslbt, mind adding your opinion to the talk page?02:17
GeneralAntillesI need a consensus to delete it.02:18
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lbtgrr - my WAN is slow...02:19
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lcukGeneralAntilles, qgil is right on this: its been contributed - havent you got one of those posh "look here first" header template things?02:20
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GAN800Yes, well, lots of things are contributed but that doesn't automatically make them valid.02:23
GAN800What would you say if I 'contributed' an article on rm -rfing /?02:24
GAN800It's been contributed, so it shouldn't be deleted.02:24
GAN800Some articles simply shouldn't exist, and it doesn't help this one's case that its creator can't be bothered to use proper formatting.02:25
GAN800I mean, I _could_ take the 20 minutes it'd require to turn it into a somewhat less offensive article, but why?02:27
GAN800What does it 'contribute' to the wiki?02:27
GAN800A much more broken, less robust, slower, less convenient, and less supported way of installing more applications?02:28
GAN800The subject sucks, the article sucks, it needs to be deleted.02:28
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lbt:: It is nice to see new content here but I'm afraid I don't really understand the point of this article or who should be interested in it. Sorry mfrasca. Whilst I'm a "casual style" writer myself I find the "most programs will not work out of the box and you should reinstall them", "it should work" and "other stuff" a bit too vague to be helpful. Actually, I suspect that a lot of people would define that result as 'broken'. http://en.02:33
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GAN800I like that it requires a significantly fuller battery to even BOOT.02:34
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lbtI *think* he's trying to get it to boot but have /usr on a big partition leaving the rootfs for volatile stuff like /tmp02:37
lbtwhich, AFAIK, is the wrong way round since the MMC cards are faster and if you have one then you want /tmp on the MMC02:38
lbtso you just want the boot from external setup02:38
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mikkov_tmp is in ram02:40
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lbtmines on my MMC02:42
lbtbut you're right, that normally it is02:42
lbtanyhow, 'night all02:43
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AFBN810wow never used xchat over my cell connection lol02:48
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gregoroviusenjoy the expensiveness of each single bit of data03:00
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gregoroviushm... I don't want to store data in the internal memory. but it bugs me that the filebrowser only shows stuff under ~/MyDocs. I tried symlinking to /media/mmc2/mydocs, but then when I plug my tablet via usb I get a 'could not unmount' error03:06
gregoroviusI think cloning the entire os would be a waste... is there anything else I could do?03:07
Pebbygregorovius, I do: mv ~/MyDocs /media/mmc2/MyDocs && ln -s /media/mmc2/Mydocs ~/MyDocs - I don't get a background image upon booting the thing but that's a small compromise to make ;)03:08
gregoroviusPebby: I did individual symlinks (/home/user/MyDocs/.documents, .videos, etc) and I get that error when plugging via usb... does it happen to you as well?03:09
GeneralAntillesWhy would cloning be a waste?03:09
Pebbygregorovius: Nope, but I symlinked the entire dir and not the individual dirs03:10
gregoroviusGeneralAntilles: I don't need much more free space, too much hassle when symlinks would do03:10
gregoroviusPebby: I'll try that out and see if it works for me03:10
GeneralAntillesGives you a nice bootable backup.03:10
GeneralAntillesIt's a touch faster, too.03:10
gregoroviuswhat do you do with the internal memory afterwards?03:11
GeneralAntillesLeave it as a bootable backup.03:11
Pebbysing a lullabye to it? Keep it as a backup OS in case you bork yourself?03:11
GeneralAntillesI'd just install emelfm2, though.03:11
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gregoroviusI already have MC, isn't it similar?03:14
GeneralAntillesIt's GUI03:14
mikkov_another app which isn't in repository03:23
GeneralAntillespipeline doesn't believe in Extras for some damn reason.03:24
gregoroviuscan mmc1|2 be ext2|3 or just vfat?03:25
GeneralAntillesIt can be whatever you want03:25
GeneralAntillesThat's most of the point of mmc booting, having it as ext*. . . .03:25
gregoroviusany pros or cons? (besides vfat not supporting symlinks?)03:26
GeneralAntillesCan't mount it on Windows or OS X machines.03:26
mikkov_apps which are not in repository are about to get lost at some point03:26
GeneralAntillesmikkov_, feel free to beat up their maintainers.03:27
mikkov_I just like to show example by putting my work only in extras03:28
* gregorovius is sorry03:28
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gregoroviusI keep getting the 'memory card in use' notice04:42
gregoroviuswhen plugging via usb04:42
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AStormit most likely is in use by something04:43
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gregoroviusAStorm: I wanted to symlink ~/MyDocs to a folder in a memory card, but then I can't plug via usb04:46
AStormdon't do that then04:46
AStormI suspect ~/MyDocs is used for a few programs as a temp dir04:47
GeneralAntillesWhy would you want to do that?04:49
GeneralAntillesJust boot from a card directly04:49
GeneralAntillesThat's a lot cleaner.04:49
AStormyeah, especially if you want to access it over USB04:56
AStormwhich doesn't work on a mounted filesystem ;P04:56
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chmacWhen I turn on my n810, it boots, the blue bar slides 100% to the right, then nothing...05:25
chmacAre there any debugging steps I can take, or shall I skip all that time wasting and just reflash?05:26
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chmacOS 2008 version 4.2008.23-14 is the latest firmware right?05:28
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chmacOh well, let's hope the flashing works... :)05:34
chmacBingo, we're back in business :)05:34
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gregorovius_could something like this ( ) work with a n800? I mean the remote control, not the headphones06:22
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el3ktthere's really no way to make n800 chaege from usb?06:47
gregorovius_el3kt: with a usb to powerplug adapter06:48
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jewardHi, I have an n810 that was working with USBModem on a Treo 755p.  It's stopped working and I can't get it going again.  Can anyone help me?07:28
jewardMy MacBook can still tether to it.07:28
MaurIs that neccesary? I had my N800 tethered to my Treo 650 via bluetooth, with no 3rd-party software07:37
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hyankovguys. can I use a laptop keyboard through the USB? Nokia N800 (OS2008)08:21
AStormmaybe, depends on how much current does it want08:22
AStormyou might need a powered USB hub08:22
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hyankovi mean, the laptop is running08:23
AStormYou mean, the actual keyboard laptop has08:24
AStormit'd need a piece of software08:24
AStormI know none program like that08:25
AStormI'd like to though08:25
AStorma piece of software that makes a certain USB port appear like a device08:26
hyankovthere is one08:26
hyankovbut i am not sure if it will work that way08:26
hyankovlet me find it08:26
AStormit should08:26
AStormalthough hub-to-hub connection is unsafe08:26
AStormyou'd need a special hacked cable for that08:27
hyankovthe cable is not a problem08:28
AStormit is08:28
hyankovok, the N800 comes with a USB cable, right?08:28
AStormyou cannot provide voltage to a working USB hub08:28
AStormthat cable is for n8x0 as a client08:28
AStormalthough it should work08:28
hyankovbut there is a program that makes it a host08:28
AStormtrick is, you will switch n8x0 into host mode08:28
AStormthis will burn the port in your laptop ;P08:29
AStormno no, you don't get it08:29
hyankovso if it was an external keyboard, it would work?08:29
hyankovbut if it's a laptop's one, it won't?08:29
AStormyes, definitely08:29
hyankovi see08:29
AStormbut hub-to-hub is unsafe08:29
AStormyou'd have to somehow put n8x0 usb into client mode, while all the software and such works like in host mode08:30
AStormor simulate USB OTG on the other side too08:30
AStormand cheat that it's a device to device connection08:31
AStormand that the other side is providing power08:31
AStorm(the laptop side)08:31
hyankovi get it now08:31
AStormthis is some fairly low-level programming08:31
hyankovthanks a bunch08:31
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hyankovanyone here is Python/GTK developer?08:34
hyankovi have a very stupid question08:34
hyankovdon't be shy08:35
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ironhi everyone09:13
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Jaffagregorovius_ / AStorm / GeneralAntilles : One of /etc/osso/* defines MYDOCS_DIR which you can use to change the location from /home/user/MyDocs. Anything assuming ~/MyDocs has a bug. I use it to put mine on /media/mmc2 without having the space used of booting off it.09:37
gregorovius_oh, I'll check it out, thanks jaffa09:39
GeneralAntillesJaffa, so what you're trying to tell me is that N810s have no storage? :P09:39
gregorovius_would be good to add that to the wiki, as there's al ready a 'mydocs' page09:39
JaffaGeneralAntilles: no, that I want the space for other things ;-p09:41
gregorovius_Jaffa: in /etc/osso/ I only have a file named osso-addressbook-stop.sh09:42
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gregorovius_osso-af-init/  # The MyDocs directory09:44
gregorovius_osso-af-init/  export MYDOCSDIR=$HOME/MyDocs09:44
gregorovius_osso-backup/osso-backup.conf:  <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path>09:44
gregorovius_osso-global-search/locations.conf:  <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path>09:44
gregorovius_well, it seems nokia is assuming ~/MyDocs09:45
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TZandergregorovius_: as the default, does that surprise?09:49
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Jaffagregorovius_: You want af-defines.sh10:08
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gregorovius_Jaffa: yes, I edited it and it seems to be working, except audio files are not being found when I put them into the .sounds folder10:09
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gregorovius_canola isn't finding images in the .images folder as well =/10:13
moontigerdo you guys know anything about home screen applets?10:13
gregorovius_I don't... i'm sure some people in this channel do, but how many of them are awake, I don't know10:15
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moontigerheh yah ... friday night and all :)10:22
moontiger<--- has no life10:22
* qwerty12 knows he needs a new processor and graphics card when rendering the os2008 desktop makes his fan whir up :\10:26
Jaffagregorovius_: you'll need to tell Canola about the new folder10:29
* Jaffa weddings10:29
Jaffa(not mine)10:29
qwerty12effing hell, how do you do a "/" on an N810 keyboard?10:30
gregorovius_Jaffa: it's a hidden folder, hence I can't choose it from canola10:30
gregorovius_it does have a 'sounds folder', but it didn't work10:30
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qwerty12gregorovius_: interested in a wacky way of doing it?10:32
gregorovius_does it involve rabbits or secret magic powder?10:32
qwerty12No, that comes later10:33
* gregorovius_ is dissapointed10:33
gregorovius_tell me10:33
qwerty12Make a folder with exactly the same numbers of characters in the folder that you want to add (including the .) and add it in canola. Copy the file ~/.canola/prefs/scanned_folders and use an hex editor to change the folder name. I'd say use vi on the tablet but the canola people seem to have some weird way of storing their settings.10:34
qwerty12Oh, the folder has to be in the same path as the hidden one.10:36
gregorovius_yeah, that should work10:36
* qwerty12 goes back to figuring out how to input a "/" on an N810 keyboard ;)10:36
qwerty12np. I should just emulate an N800 instead >.<10:37
gregorovius_is there any way to modify the locking/unlocking behaviour? I don't really like power-enter to unlock10:42
gregorovius_i'd rather have a single short press or something like that10:42
qwerty12No :(. mce is closed source. There is a open source clone which is very customisable (powerlaunch) but has some bugs.10:43
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gregorovius_that didn't quite work, btw10:44
gregorovius_canola isn't playing my files10:45
gregorovius_doesn't matter really, I can live with that10:45
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* qwerty12 has to disable the "n810"'s keyboard. it's driving me effing mad.10:51
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moontigerqwerty12, you mean the onscreen one?10:56
qwerty12moontiger: no, the hardware one. except I'm using an emulated N810 so I don't actually have the N810 keyboard physically >.<10:57
moontigerohhhhhhhhhh ... well the real one drives me f***ing mad too :|10:58
qwerty12hehe. i'm messing around with gconftool, hopefully I can make it believe it doesn't have a keyboard and I'm using an external one :)10:58
moontigerheh :)11:00
moontigeranyways ... nn all11:00
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Pavlzi ask you a thing11:54
Pavlzwhat this the distance that wi-fi can do if i got acees points in outdoor with antennas ?11:54
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GeneralAntillesThat's an unanswerable question.12:00
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GeneralAntillesIt depends on a huge variety of factors.12:00
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GeneralAntillesWifi can pretty much be LoS for as long a distance as you want with the right antenna and amplifier.12:00
qwerty12~lart Werror12:02
* infobot whacks Werror with a giant beaver's tail12:02
Pavlzfor example ?12:03
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Pavlzbetter without amplifier, cause of noise and never sync signal that could damage the RF POWER MODULE12:05
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GeneralAntillesDoesn't matter12:09
GeneralAntillesIt's not a question that can be answered in short.12:09
GeneralAntillesGoogle is your friend.12:09
Pavlzi know12:12
Pavlzbut if you want we can listen this evening12:12
Pavlzwhen i turn back from the sea12:12
Pavlzbye bye paolo12:12
tank-manif you want a vauge answer, imo the wifi in the n800 is good12:13
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atulHi konfoo12:50
atulare u here12:50
GAN800qwerty12, iz palmos better then maemo? :P12:54
qwerty12GAN800: I don't think so. I won't deny that it does have more apps and the handwriting recognition works better than maemo but I never liked it. When I smashed my Palm, I went and bought a Pocket PC and never looked back.12:55
GAN800Wasn't a serious question. ;)12:56
qwerty12hehe :)12:56
qwerty12Uploading transmission to extras wont work for me unless the autobuilder can run an sbrsh :P12:57
qwerty12"event.c: In function `event_base_loop':event.c:528: internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:546.Please submit a full bug report,with preprocessed source if appropriate.Send email to for instructions."12:57
qwerty12No wait, I have optimisations set, lemme remove them12:58
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BinkyHi everyone14:06
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BinkyPeople, is there any way that if you unzip/unrar a file, it erases from the compressed file14:07
BinkyI have enough space on mmc for the rar, but not for the rar and all the unrared files (which should be the double)14:08
addocnot according to
addocmove the compressed rar to a usb stick and unrar (or rar e) from that14:12
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Binkyaddoc, thank you14:30
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CptLaptopi have no clue about such things15:04
GAN800What about it?15:04
aquatixlooks like pata yes15:05
aquatixreally dusty pata15:05
CptLaptopjust vacuumed it15:05
GAN800Actually that's a molex in the foreground. :P15:05
CptLaptopi need a new DVD burner as that ones flaky15:05
aquatixa power supply molex indeed15:06
aquatixGAN800: molex is just a brand of connectors :)15:06
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GAN800aquatix, excuse me for being lazy with the thumbboard.15:06
CptLaptopso i need the dvd burner that says 1 x IDE/ATAPI - 40 pin IDC `?15:07
aquatixGAN800: find yourself excused15:07
mavhcis it possible to reset the Video Center database of files it thinks its downloaded? it's playing the wrong files. Don't really want to lose the feeds though15:07
* aquatix would have said the same btw ;)15:07
aquatixCptLaptop: that or 80 pin15:07
CptLaptopthose pins i shou d count?15:09
aquatixlook like 4015:09
aquatix80 are smaller15:09
aquatixthe ribbon cable15:09
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CptLaptopwhy does one say ide/atapi and the other one i fouind says ata-66?15:11
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glassata-66 is speed spec15:16
glassjust buy whatever ide/pata drive15:16
DibblahTwo links for those unfortunate enough to not be able to afford newer than N770:
CptLaptopah thanks15:17
Dibblah... Replacing the battery with a 2400mAh cell and a full-sized cell.15:17
GAN800There's no such thing as an 'N770'15:17
CptLaptopDibblah: happen to have similar link (battery) for n800?15:17
DibblahBah. It's what everyone I know calls it :(15:17
DibblahCptLaptop: It's harder to do, as I mention at the bottom of the page.15:18
GAN800Everyone you know is wrong.15:18
mavhcthe wrong name is better than the right name though15:18
Dibblah(On the "800" ;) the metal backbone goes through the entire unit, adding significantly to it's structure)15:19
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mavhcif you can't afford an n800 can you afford to take apart your n770 and attack it?15:19
DibblahWell, since it only cost me £70, yes :)15:19
CptLaptopthats more than a used n800 would cost you15:20
CptLaptopat least not far from15:20
DibblahCptLaptop: I get the feeling you don't live in the UK.15:20
CptLaptop live in norway which is more expensive than the uk but thats what importing shit is for15:21
DibblahAnd that was ~1.5 years ago, when a company over here had a firesale of them.15:21
mavhcDibblah: did you mean 5mm or .5mm in the battery text?15:23
DibblahIt's actually _slightly_ less, but not much.15:23
CptLaptopthis webshop over here is having a weekend offer for a dmtech starry7 internet radio for 100usd. half want one. anyone have any experience with such standalones?15:23
mavhcsurely the whole thing is hardly 5mm high15:24
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Dibblahmavhc: I don't understand what you mean.15:39
Dibblah5mm == .5cm.15:39
mavhchow tall is the battery?15:40
DibblahThe new or the old?15:40
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crashanddiemavhc, the battery in the n810 ?15:44
crashanddieThe BP-4L ?15:44
DibblahThe old is just over 5mm thick.15:45
DibblahThe new is just under 9mm thick.15:45
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crashanddieThe BP-4L is 66mm x 43mm x 4mm15:46
crashanddieDunno which one you're talking about15:46
crashanddieoh, 770 battery15:48
crashanddiethat's ugly as fuck :P15:51
GAN800lotta power, though.15:51
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crashanddiethat's what, more than double what you get from the BP-4L15:52
* lcuk wakesu p all bleary eyed15:52
crashanddiewell, let's admit that after a year of usage, being optimistic, you get 1200mAh out of it15:53
RST38hmoo, all15:53
crashanddieand that you don't really get 3600mAh, just some 33-340015:53
crashanddiestill a pretty good deal for £4015:53
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lcukdoes anyone know where i might find some free stock textures?15:53
crashanddietextures ?15:53
crashanddieGAN800, hey, grumpy, get back in your cave15:54
lcukim tryin google but the sleep in my eyes is interupting15:54
crashanddieGAN800, you don't google lcuk15:54
GAN800There's textures everywhere if you search for them.15:54
* GAN800 hisses at crashanddie.15:54
crashanddielcuk, remember how I said the final version of CR would be out tonight ?15:54
GAN800What sort of textures, anyway?15:55
lcukim looking for royalty free ones tbh :) i wanna see how nicely an alpha blended menu will look :)15:55
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crashanddielcuk, might take a bit longer than that, I started a complete architectural redesign15:55
lcukthinking granite for the background15:55
lcukooooh crash - its always the way15:55
crashanddielast time I commited, git went "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD"15:55
GAN800You could always take a camera outside if it comes down to it.15:56
lcukoh one other thing, the "13:49:50 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at " error when you press the home key - should i bring up a menu which says "do you wanna return to hildon?"15:56
GAN800flickr might work if you filter by license.15:56
crashanddielcuk, "Exit?"15:56
lcukGAN800,  thats a good idea, but i dont have any granite rock formations in manchester15:57
GAN800But there's lots of free stuff on google.15:57
pH5hi, does anybody know if there exists a tango style device icon depicting a nokia n810 somewhere?15:58
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lcukthanks crashanddie :D15:58
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GAN800I used to have a decent collection but lost it in a drive failure a few years ago.15:58
crashanddielcuk, plenty:
crashanddieI go to gettyimages for nearly everything16:00
lcuki found loads :) thanks16:00
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crashanddielcuk, with virgin, is there a limit on downloading ? They say "no limit", but what's the fair use policy ?16:03
GAN800Jaiku is too ridiculous.16:04
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GAN800irc for fail.16:04
lcukthere is a limit, if you go over daily cap of (*feck knows*) then you get slowed down16:04
crashanddielcuk, I can't watch megavideo clips anymore, says "connection problem", and when i go through encrypted proxy in france, it works without any problem16:04
lcukit dependes on package and area though i believe16:04
lcuki gave up on all that worry though a while ago and just use it as i need16:04
t_s_oGAN800: define rediculous...16:04
crashanddiet_s_o, a spell used in Harry Potter16:05
lcukcrashanddie, that could be due to other problems16:05
crashanddielcuk, yeah, probably, but well, works now16:05
GAN800I can't, that's not a word. :P16:05
GAN800But, seriously, it's just a stupid waste of time.16:06
lcukif i use a CC none commercial share alike image - do i add attributation in the COPYING license area (which I have a link to view from within liqbase)16:07
lcukor does it have to be on the page where i view the image16:07
* lcuk has a better idea16:09
lcukcrashanddie, i will need the code to open a  browser :) im gonna add a closing page16:09
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crashanddielcuk, you already have it16:22
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crashanddielcuk, if you have cloudreader installed, there's a file called open_url in /usr/bin16:23
lcuki thought the one i had opened within yours, nm when i come to it if i cant do it i'll holler :)16:23
lcuki never installed it - it was run from the project folder16:23
crashanddielcuk, fair enough, but well, it's in the .deb if you need it, just do a system("open_url");16:24
lcukcool thx16:24
qwerty12_N800can't you directly pass a url to the browser by using browser --url?16:24
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crashanddieqwerty12-N800, afraid not16:51
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qwerty12-N800ah :(16:51
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, well, you can, and you could desynchronise the system() call by using '&' at the end of the command, but the problem is you don't use dbus if you do that16:53
qwerty12-N800ah I see. did cloudreader appear in extras then?16:54
crashanddieno, my gpg key still isn't recognised by the builder16:54
crashanddieI have to wait until Niels gets back from holiday16:55
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qwerty12-N800heh :/16:56
crashanddielcuk, if you're going to be using the open_url script, I might just have to package it, too16:56
crashanddielcuk, cuz if someone uninstalls cloudreader, it would break liqbase16:56
lcukdont worry, i was just thinking about a closing screen for liqbase :)16:57
crashanddielcuk, unless we both add a dependency on the open_url package16:57
lcukwhat happens inside your script thou16:57
lcukand cant i just run that action inside a system call16:57
crashanddiehang on16:57
lcukits ok16:57
lcuki wont even put it in - of course it may help you if you figure it out16:58
crashanddiesend_url ()16:58
crashanddie    dbus-send --system --type=method_call \16:58
crashanddie        --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request \16:58
crashanddie string:"$1" && exit 016:58
crashanddiesend_url "$1"16:58
crashanddieDISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/browser >/dev/null 2>&1 &16:58
crashanddiefor _ in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do sleep 1; send_url "$1"; done16:58
crashanddieexit 116:58
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crashanddieI'm an idiot16:59
crashanddieor maybe I'm not17:00
qwerty12-N800if you both have the script inn the same location in each of your packages, dpkg will not install one if the other is installed17:00
infobotqwerty12-N800 meant: if you both have the script in the same location in each of your packages, dpkg will not install one if the other is installed17:00
lcukim not adding scripts17:00
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crashanddieah, no, I'm not an idiot :)17:01
lcukis that your final answer?17:02
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lcuk:D ogod, you just won yourself a half eaten ham sandwich and a pint of gone off milk17:03
lcuk^good even lol17:03
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aquatixyou're now on for the micro wave even17:05
lcuki really have to stop visiting bacon reddit17:06
lcukit makes me hungry17:06
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lcukwhilst i think on, i think ill follow in lardman|gone's footsteps and add "bacon" as an alert keyword17:08
lcuki can feel my arteries hardening:17:10
lcukChicken Fried Bacon. Bacon with seasoning, battered, breaded, deep-fried, served with ranch or honey mustard sauce.17:10
aquatixhm, honey mustard sauce17:10
lcukjust searching freenode for a #bacon channel17:11
Stskeepsgod.. debian sometimes. debconf GTK support requires libgnome2-perl.. which causes installation to need debconf17:11
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aquatixStskeeps: *grin*17:17
aquatixor rather *rictus* ;)17:17
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usicowon ebay I see some screen protectors that they say are for the n810 but the image looks like its for the iphone. Are the iPhone and N810 screen protectors interchangeable?17:20
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Stskeepsaquatix: i would much rather have taken the Ubuntu port instead of Debian, but it wasn't complete enough :P17:28
aquatixusicow: might be that they are the same size17:28
aquatixStskeeps: ah :)17:28
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Stskeeps(i -did- have ubuntu booting, but i'm not confident about the basic metapackages)17:28
Stskeeps <- oh this is just plain funny17:30
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eichiis there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal?17:32
mavhc are the limits, but they just slow you down if you break them17:32
mavhchowever you can dl more slowed down than you can by sticking to the limits17:32
crashanddieeichi, sorry ?17:35
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mavhcis there an internal temp sensor that the user can read btw?17:37
qwerty12-N800mavhc: yes, it's a standard i2c one17:37
qwerty12-N800mavhc: www.nitapps.com17:38
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mavhcalmost everything on that page is something I'd want, brilliant17:40
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eichicrashanddie, what?18:11
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crashanddie(eichi) is there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal?18:14
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eichicrashanddie, i want to see the "time"18:17
eichiwith seconds18:17
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crashanddieeichi, ok...18:18
crashanddiethen just get a clock that supports seconds18:18
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crashanddieqwerty12, you're emulating diablo in diablo?18:26
crashanddieqwerty12, what else can you run ?18:26
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qwerty12crashanddie: well, my computer is. The wonders of ssh X forwarding :)18:27
qwerty12crashanddie: dunno, haven't installed anything :/18:28
crashanddiebut you didn't get QEMU to run on the NIT natively18:29
qwerty12crashanddie: someone probably could but the speed would be horrible >.<18:29
qwerty12it only needs sdl for output :/18:29
crashanddiecould be fun :P18:30
crashanddieRunning vista on the n81018:30
qwerty12what I really need to do is emulate os2007 though but that means I have to recompile qemu and I don't want to do that :P18:30
qwerty12eew, I hated vista on my computer18:30
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eichiwhat is "vista" ?18:32
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elektubiquity is sweet18:56
elektyou guys check it out18:56
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Stskeepsmozilla or installer?19:12
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Stskeeps~lart debconf19:26
* infobot calls debconf on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home19:26
qwerty12Stskeeps: Hehe, what's up?19:27
Stskeepsqwerty12: target: gtk dialog boxes instead of ncurses bases while apt-get installing stuff19:29
Stskeepsuse gtk: requires a package that will use a ncurses box before it installs the support perl library19:29
Stskeepsi swear, if someone has the new dll hell award, it's debian19:29
qwerty12heh :(19:30
qwerty12I'm going to start work on backing up mtdblock4 from bootmenu19:30
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jottStskeeps: can't you force an answers?19:34
jottStskeeps: like adding stuff to /var/cache/debconf/config.dat19:35
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elektwhat's the #maemo logs url?19:40
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elektty, can't always see it in this client19:41
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elektit'd be nice to have a ubiquity command for that19:41
elektit's really good :x19:41
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johnxah, me neither. I was trying to get a bot to list it...19:41
* qwerty12 just went and hit the /topic :P19:41
* johnx doesn't always remember IRC commands19:42
* jott uses irssi and sees the topic all the time :)19:42
elektit's the curse of gui19:42
* qwerty12 hardly knows any :)19:42
* qwerty12 uses X-Chat and sees it at the top19:42
elektwhat is this 3rd person crap, you can't all be that awesome19:42
* qwerty12 shoots elekt19:43
johnx~lart qwerty12 for being violent19:44
* infobot follow's qwerty12 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for being violent19:44
qwerty12~curse johnx for saying that19:44
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, johnx for saying that !19:44
infobotwell, qwerty12 is violent19:45
elektseriously this extension made my day19:48
infobotrumour has it, ubiquity is rubbish19:49
qwerty12Infobot doesn't like it so I don't like it.19:49
elektsteve ballmer started the rumour19:50
elektinfobot needs some prespective19:50
elektyou guys should like it since it's all text based19:50
elektbarely any clicks19:51
mavhcit's enso for firefox19:52
elektnever seen enso19:53
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elekti guess yeah, there's always been stuff like this, but the range of functions is so wide19:54
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colinlhi; anyone knows how long between the Extras Builder OK mail and the availability on the apt source?20:01
Stskeepsjott: well i don't mind the questions, just the way they're presented20:03
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elekt  name: "#maemo log search",20:52
elekt  takes: {"Site": noun_arb_text},20:52
elekt  preview: function( pblock, theSearch ) {20:52
elekt    pblock.innerHTML = "enter command as '#maemo'";20:52
elekt  },20:52
elekt  execute: function( theSearch ) {20:52
elekt    var msg = "..Search Complete";20:52
elekt    var url = "" + theSearch.text;20:52
elekt    Utils.openUrlInBrowser( url );20:52
elekt    displayMessage( msg );20:52
elekt  }20:52
jottthis "openUrl" stuff is rather unimpressive.20:52
elektyeah yeah20:53
jottthe only nice thing about it are inline results20:53
elektbut useful20:53
elektyou can have it open in that pane also20:53
jottbut the presentation sucks then..20:53
elektone guy did an xkcd one that shows the coming in the pane20:53
elektwhatever party pooper20:54
jotti mean this openurl thingy is like normal search shortcuts that existed for ages :/20:54
jottbut the inline results are quite nice.20:54
elekti guess i like how fast it is to get things20:55
elektplus the customizing20:55
elekti don't think this would be too useful on my n800 though20:55
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Stskeepshm. what package has xhost on maemo?21:46
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addochi Binky22:31
Binkyaddoc, , i have the first release of os2006, it won't manage 2GB cards, but with a USB host will i be able to mount a pendrive of 2, 4 or 8 GBs?22:32
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addocdunno, frankly :-)22:33
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addocyou can try22:34
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BinkyOk, thank you22:35
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Stskeepstablet debian chroot 101: remember to have /tmp from maemo22:52
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riothmm.. say, how fscked up is the gps in nokias 810???23:50
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rioti was walking about 2 km through my town (small town, 250k Citizens, no skyscrapers, rather wide streets)23:51
riot..and i got no fix!23:51
riotthats beyond all usability...23:51
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qwerty12_N800The gps is pretty **** tbh,  best you can do is to install a-gps23:52
rioti had (according to maemo-mapper) 6 satellites - no fix?!23:52
mavhcuse a-gps, make sure the clock is set correctly, still not that great23:53
rioti mean, i never really had good experiences with GPS (i think the technology is FUBAR..) but my cheapo bluetooth gps gets a (very inprecise) fix in about 60 seconds23:53
riotwell, how _do_ i use agps??23:54
rioti'm running chinook.. is it possible with that?23:54
riotand i have internet most of the time, so what about dgps?23:54
riothmpf. i'm gonna develop my own fscking gps in this town. pfft.23:59

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