IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-08-30

riot	it looks pretty but.. the iPh*ck is pretty.. i want functionality. (And i got it)	00:01
AngieQ	lolz, i like the idea of that device, not the locked down nature of it	00:02
lsobral	riot, canola uses mplayer as backend	00:02
*** fab has quit IRC		00:04
riot	lsobral: then they forgot several important codecs	00:04
riot	woo, 400 mhz ain't enough for hd-media	00:06
*** madhav has quit IRC		00:07
*** alump_ has joined #maemo		00:07
*** alump has quit IRC		00:07
GeneralAntilles	What lsobral said	00:11
GeneralAntilles	The mplayer you get from the commandline or GMPlayer is the exact same mplayer Canola uses.	00:11
GeneralAntilles	and don't hate on Canola for being close	00:11
GeneralAntilles	d	00:11
GeneralAntilles	The Canola guys have contributed more open source code to the platform than just about any other single source.	00:12
lbt	it's hard	00:12
GeneralAntilles	You wouldn't have Python for Maemo without INdT. ;)	00:12
Pebby	Not hating on 'em at all, I just thought it was cool and wanted to work on it =(	00:13
*** blade_runner has joined #maemo		00:14
etrunko	Pebby: all of us	00:15
etrunko	:P	00:15
*** behdad has quit IRC		00:17
*** tbf has quit IRC		00:18
*** Woefix has joined #maemo		00:20
*** baaba has joined #maemo		00:24
*** matt_c has quit IRC		00:27
*** SDuensin_ has joined #Maemo		00:27
*** robink has joined #maemo		00:32
*** dougt has quit IRC		00:33
*** caio1982 has quit IRC		00:34
*** AFBN810 has quit IRC		00:36
*** Tuco has joined #maemo		00:41
*** yerga has quit IRC		00:46
Proteous	MAKE ME SOME BROWNIES!!!	00:47
mgedmin	make them yourself	00:47
AStorm	Proteous: you forgot sudo	00:48
* mgedmin waits expectantly for the inevitable xkcd link		00:48
Proteous	please?	00:48
AStorm	mgedmin: I did that ;P	00:48
*** uncorq has quit IRC		00:48
Pebby	you forgot to make install	00:48
* mgedmin should type faster		00:48
Pebby	and ./configure --oven-temperature	00:48
mgedmin	don't forget ./flasher --enable-rd-mode	00:48
* Pebby is sad autogen brownies doesn't work D:		00:48
Proteous	make install me some brownies	00:49
crashanddie	it's just easier to yell "WOMAN, BRING ME FOOD"	00:49
*** uncorq has joined #maemo		00:49
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]		00:49
Proteous	to unpredictaqble, I don't want food, just brownies	00:49
AStorm	Proteous: oh, then you'll have to do some pre and postprocessing	00:50
crashanddie	that's usually the point she slams the door and goes away to do some social crying with her BFF slash mother	00:50
Proteous	lol	00:50
AStorm	if you do that well, you'll get brownies and extra ;P	00:50
*** flo_lap has joined #maemo		00:50
Pebby	you have to make clean your oven first, AStorm ;)	00:51
flo_lap	re	00:51
AStorm	Pebby: sure	00:51
AStorm	it's very inconvenient	00:51
AStorm	I'd just combine an oven with a dishwasher	00:51
Proteous	apt get install brownies	00:51
AStorm	that could actually sell	00:51
moontiger	mgedmin... that xkcd is my fave :)	00:52
*** crashanddie has quit IRC		00:55
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo		00:55
Proteous	10 make brownies	00:56
GeneralAntilles	Anybody familiar with NFS want to clean this up? https://wiki.maemo.org/Setting_up_NFS	00:56
Proteous	20 eat brownies	00:56
Proteous	30 goto 10	00:56
*** andrunko has quit IRC		00:57
*** birunko has quit IRC		00:58
*** renato_ has quit IRC		00:58
Proteous	Mmmm tapioca-voip	00:58
*** krau has quit IRC		00:59
Pebby	while [ (baking == 1) ]; water{mouth}	01:00
*** kenne has quit IRC		01:02
GeneralAntilles	andre___, sooo, guided?	01:02
*** crashanddie has quit IRC		01:02
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo		01:03
andre___	GeneralAntilles, :-D After changing the template quite a lot, I'm fine with it	01:03
andre___	I should have been more clear	01:03
*** chenca has quit IRC		01:03
*** moontiger has quit IRC		01:04
GeneralAntilles	I shouldn't have made it out to be a mutually-exclusive proposition.	01:04
*** efleury has quit IRC		01:05
*** CptLaptop has quit IRC		01:07
*** etrunko has quit IRC		01:09
*** Woefix has quit IRC		01:13
*** lcuk has joined #maemo		01:13
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo		01:14
*** lcuk has quit IRC		01:14
*** setanta has quit IRC		01:18
*** Ryback_ has quit IRC		01:21
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC		01:25
*** lcuk has joined #maemo		01:26
*** Woefix has joined #maemo		01:29
*** erstazi has joined #maemo		01:32
*** sinak has quit IRC		01:34
*** Grackle_ has quit IRC		01:38
*** erstazi has quit IRC		01:38
*** lmoura has quit IRC		01:40
*** krutt has quit IRC		01:40
*** lpotter has quit IRC		01:41
*** lpotter has joined #maemo		01:45
*** oilinki7 is now known as oilinki		01:46
*** erstazi has joined #maemo		01:46
*** lpotter has quit IRC		01:49
*** mgedmin has quit IRC		01:49
*** LinuxCode has joined #maemo		01:50
*** lpotter has joined #maemo		01:50
*** p\| has quit IRC		01:51
*** guardian has quit IRC		01:51
*** koos_ has joined #maemo		01:51
*** manyoso has left #maemo		01:56
*** gregorovius has joined #maemo		01:56
*** sp3000 has quit IRC		01:58
*** vivijim has quit IRC		01:59
*** MangoFusion has quit IRC		02:00
*** texel``` has quit IRC		02:02
* GeneralAntilles sighs.		02:02
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition	02:02
GeneralAntilles	He added snarky bullshit instead of a real health warning.	02:03
GeneralAntilles	I'm STILL in favor of deletion.	02:03
*** felipec has quit IRC		02:04
*** juergbi has quit IRC		02:04
*** flo_lap has quit IRC		02:08
*** hircus has joined #maemo		02:08
*** koos has quit IRC		02:09
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, it was you that edited it and added the warning?	02:13
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC		02:13
lcuk	good evening by the way	02:13
*** baaba has quit IRC		02:14
*** vcgomes is now known as vcgomes[away]		02:16
lbt	it's crap	02:16
GeneralAntilles	Yes, lcuk.	02:17
GeneralAntilles	lbt, mind adding your opinion to the talk page?	02:17
GeneralAntilles	I need a consensus to delete it.	02:18
*** lsobral has quit IRC		02:19
lbt	grr - my WAN is slow...	02:19
*** blade_runner has quit IRC		02:20
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, qgil is right on this: its been contributed - havent you got one of those posh "look here first" header template things?	02:20
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC		02:20
GAN800	Yes, well, lots of things are contributed but that doesn't automatically make them valid.	02:23
GAN800	What would you say if I 'contributed' an article on rm -rfing /?	02:24
GAN800	It's been contributed, so it shouldn't be deleted.	02:24
GAN800	?	02:24
GAN800	Some articles simply shouldn't exist, and it doesn't help this one's case that its creator can't be bothered to use proper formatting.	02:25
GAN800	I mean, I _could_ take the 20 minutes it'd require to turn it into a somewhat less offensive article, but why?	02:27
GAN800	What does it 'contribute' to the wiki?	02:27
GAN800	A much more broken, less robust, slower, less convenient, and less supported way of installing more applications?	02:28
GAN800	The subject sucks, the article sucks, it needs to be deleted.	02:28
*** rsalveti has quit IRC		02:31
lbt	:: It is nice to see new content here but I'm afraid I don't really understand the point of this article or who should be interested in it. Sorry mfrasca. Whilst I'm a "casual style" writer myself I find the "most programs will not work out of the box and you should reinstall them", "it should work" and "other stuff" a bit too vague to be helpful. Actually, I suspect that a lot of people would define that result as 'broken'. http://en.	02:33
lbt	wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=User:lbt	02:33
*** erstazi has quit IRC		02:33
*** erstazi has joined #maemo		02:34
*** skibur has quit IRC		02:34
GAN800	I like that it requires a significantly fuller battery to even BOOT.	02:34
*** AFBN810 has joined #maemo		02:35
lbt	I think he's trying to get it to boot but have /usr on a big partition leaving the rootfs for volatile stuff like /tmp	02:37
lbt	which, AFAIK, is the wrong way round since the MMC cards are faster and if you have one then you want /tmp on the MMC	02:38
lbt	so you just want the boot from external setup	02:38
*** vcgomes[away] is now known as vcgomes		02:40
mikkov_	tmp is in ram	02:40
*** nelson has quit IRC		02:42
lbt	mines on my MMC	02:42
lbt	but you're right, that normally it is	02:42
lbt	anyhow, 'night all	02:43
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo		02:44
*** dholbert has quit IRC		02:46
AFBN810	hello	02:48
AFBN810	wow never used xchat over my cell connection lol	02:48
*** nelson has joined #maemo		02:53
*** housetier has joined #maemo		02:58
gregorovius	enjoy the expensiveness of each single bit of data	03:00
*** Woefix has quit IRC		03:03
*** baaba has joined #maemo		03:05
*** lbt has quit IRC		03:06
gregorovius	hm... I don't want to store data in the internal memory. but it bugs me that the filebrowser only shows stuff under ~/MyDocs. I tried symlinking to /media/mmc2/mydocs, but then when I plug my tablet via usb I get a 'could not unmount' error	03:06
gregorovius	I think cloning the entire os would be a waste... is there anything else I could do?	03:07
Pebby	gregorovius, I do: mv ~/MyDocs /media/mmc2/MyDocs && ln -s /media/mmc2/Mydocs ~/MyDocs - I don't get a background image upon booting the thing but that's a small compromise to make ;)	03:08
gregorovius	Pebby: I did individual symlinks (/home/user/MyDocs/.documents, .videos, etc) and I get that error when plugging via usb... does it happen to you as well?	03:09
GeneralAntilles	emelfm2	03:09
GeneralAntilles	Why would cloning be a waste?	03:09
Pebby	gregorovius: Nope, but I symlinked the entire dir and not the individual dirs	03:10
gregorovius	GeneralAntilles: I don't need much more free space, too much hassle when symlinks would do	03:10
gregorovius	Pebby: I'll try that out and see if it works for me	03:10
GeneralAntilles	Gives you a nice bootable backup.	03:10
GeneralAntilles	It's a touch faster, too.	03:10
gregorovius	what do you do with the internal memory afterwards?	03:11
GeneralAntilles	Leave it as a bootable backup.	03:11
Pebby	sing a lullabye to it? Keep it as a backup OS in case you bork yourself?	03:11
GeneralAntilles	I'd just install emelfm2, though.	03:11
*** AFBN810 has quit IRC		03:11
*** Pebby has quit IRC		03:13
gregorovius	emelfm2?	03:13
gregorovius	I already have MC, isn't it similar?	03:14
GeneralAntilles	It's GUI	03:14
mikkov_	another app which isn't in repository	03:23
GeneralAntilles	pipeline doesn't believe in Extras for some damn reason.	03:24
gregorovius	can mmc1\|2 be ext2\|3 or just vfat?	03:25
GeneralAntilles	It can be whatever you want	03:25
GeneralAntilles	That's most of the point of mmc booting, having it as ext*. . . .	03:25
gregorovius	any pros or cons? (besides vfat not supporting symlinks?)	03:26
GeneralAntilles	Can't mount it on Windows or OS X machines.	03:26
mikkov_	apps which are not in repository are about to get lost at some point	03:26
GeneralAntilles	mikkov_, feel free to beat up their maintainers.	03:27
mikkov_	I just like to show example by putting my work only in extras	03:28
gregorovius	ls	03:28
* gregorovius is sorry		03:28
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo		03:38
*** mardi__1 has joined #maemo		03:40
*** moontiger has joined #maemo		03:42
*** moontiger has quit IRC		03:47
*** mardi__ has quit IRC		03:57
*** mikkov_ has quit IRC		04:02
*** jumpula has quit IRC		04:02
*** taplax has quit IRC		04:02
*** karbas has quit IRC		04:02
*** pahartik has quit IRC		04:02
*** onion has quit IRC		04:02
*** Hadaka has quit IRC		04:02
*** kad has quit IRC		04:02
*** XTL has quit IRC		04:02
*** lele has quit IRC		04:02
*** gregorovius has quit IRC		04:02
*** alump_ has quit IRC		04:02
*** Robot101 has quit IRC		04:02
*** gletelli has quit IRC		04:02
*** vegai has quit IRC		04:02
*** ryoohki has quit IRC		04:02
*** lardman\|gone has quit IRC		04:02
*** liri has quit IRC		04:02
*** Disconnect has quit IRC		04:02
*** Jaffa has quit IRC		04:02
*** aspect has quit IRC		04:02
*** sephail_ has quit IRC		04:02
*** ds3 has quit IRC		04:02
*** jussio1 has quit IRC		04:02
*** jott has quit IRC		04:02
*** RP has quit IRC		04:02
*** zorrolero has quit IRC		04:02
*** fredix has quit IRC		04:02
*** aquatix has quit IRC		04:02
*** keesj has quit IRC		04:02
*** lophyte has quit IRC		04:02
*** wanders has quit IRC		04:02
*** ch4os has quit IRC		04:02
*** koyote has quit IRC		04:02
*** wnd has quit IRC		04:02
*** Juhaz has quit IRC		04:02
*** jjrv has quit IRC		04:02
*** pyhimys has quit IRC		04:02
*** glass has quit IRC		04:02
*** TTilus has quit IRC		04:02
*** milhouse has quit IRC		04:02
*** lubyou has quit IRC		04:02
*** mpr has quit IRC		04:02
*** Proteous has quit IRC		04:02
*** zuh has quit IRC		04:02
*** deejoe has quit IRC		04:02
*** ShadowJK has quit IRC		04:02
*** youam has quit IRC		04:02
*** tuukkah has quit IRC		04:02
*** polac has quit IRC		04:02
*** herwood has quit IRC		04:02
*** cbx33 has quit IRC		04:02
*** MiskaX has quit IRC		04:02
*** el3kt has joined #maemo		04:03
*** gregorovius has joined #maemo		04:03
*** alump_ has joined #maemo		04:03
*** RP has joined #maemo		04:03
*** aspect has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Robot101 has joined #maemo		04:03
*** zorrolero has joined #maemo		04:03
*** fredix has joined #maemo		04:03
*** gletelli has joined #maemo		04:03
*** vegai has joined #maemo		04:03
*** mikkov_ has joined #maemo		04:03
*** taplax has joined #maemo		04:03
*** jumpula has joined #maemo		04:03
*** karbas has joined #maemo		04:03
*** pahartik has joined #maemo		04:03
*** XTL has joined #maemo		04:03
*** aquatix has joined #maemo		04:03
*** ryoohki has joined #maemo		04:03
*** keesj has joined #maemo		04:03
*** lophyte has joined #maemo		04:03
*** wanders has joined #maemo		04:03
*** lardman\|gone has joined #maemo		04:03
*** ch4os has joined #maemo		04:03
*** liri has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Disconnect has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Jaffa has joined #maemo		04:03
*** onion has joined #maemo		04:03
*** koyote has joined #maemo		04:03
*** lele has joined #maemo		04:03
*** wnd has joined #maemo		04:03
*** tuukkah has joined #maemo		04:03
*** sephail_ has joined #maemo		04:03
*** herwood has joined #maemo		04:03
*** cbx33 has joined #maemo		04:03
*** kad has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Hadaka has joined #maemo		04:03
*** ShadowJK has joined #maemo		04:03
*** jott has joined #maemo		04:03
*** pyhimys has joined #maemo		04:03
*** jussio1 has joined #maemo		04:03
*** milhouse has joined #maemo		04:03
*** ds3 has joined #maemo		04:03
*** glass has joined #maemo		04:03
*** youam has joined #maemo		04:03
*** mpr has joined #maemo		04:03
*** polac has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Proteous has joined #maemo		04:03
*** TTilus has joined #maemo		04:03
*** lubyou has joined #maemo		04:03
*** jjrv has joined #maemo		04:03
*** deejoe has joined #maemo		04:03
*** Juhaz has joined #maemo		04:03
*** zuh has joined #maemo		04:03
*** MiskaX has joined #maemo		04:04
*** Mousey has quit IRC		04:07
*** philipl has joined #maemo		04:08
*** philipl has quit IRC		04:27
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		04:28
*** philipl has joined #maemo		04:32
*** Edulix has quit IRC		04:33
gregorovius	I keep getting the 'memory card in use' notice	04:42
gregorovius	when plugging via usb	04:42
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC		04:42
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo		04:43
AStorm	it most likely is in use by something	04:43
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC		04:44
gregorovius	AStorm: I wanted to symlink ~/MyDocs to a folder in a memory card, but then I can't plug via usb	04:46
AStorm	don't do that then	04:46
AStorm	I suspect ~/MyDocs is used for a few programs as a temp dir	04:47
GeneralAntilles	Why would you want to do that?	04:49
GeneralAntilles	Just boot from a card directly	04:49
GeneralAntilles	That's a lot cleaner.	04:49
AStorm	yeah, especially if you want to access it over USB	04:56
AStorm	which doesn't work on a mounted filesystem ;P	04:56
*** tjafk has joined #maemo		04:56
*** tjafk has quit IRC		04:58
*** tjafk has joined #maemo		04:58
*** qnr-lt has joined #maemo		05:03
*** tjafk has quit IRC		05:03
*** hellwolf has quit IRC		05:03
*** tjafk has joined #maemo		05:04
*** gregorovius has quit IRC		05:05
*** gregorovius has joined #maemo		05:05
*** SDuensin_ has left #Maemo		05:08
*** befr0d has quit IRC		05:11
*** befr0d has joined #maemo		05:11
*** housetier has quit IRC		05:11
*** Raytray has quit IRC		05:17
*** befr0d has quit IRC		05:21
*** befr0d has joined #maemo		05:22
*** herz1 has joined #maemo		05:25
*** herzi has quit IRC		05:25
*** chmac has joined #maemo		05:25
chmac	When I turn on my n810, it boots, the blue bar slides 100% to the right, then nothing...	05:25
chmac	Are there any debugging steps I can take, or shall I skip all that time wasting and just reflash?	05:26
*** skibur has joined #maemo		05:26
chmac	OS 2008 version 4.2008.23-14 is the latest firmware right?	05:28
*** _pcfe_ has joined #maemo		05:30
*** philipl has quit IRC		05:31
*** matt_c has joined #maemo		05:32
chmac	Oh well, let's hope the flashing works... :)	05:34
chmac	Bingo, we're back in business :)	05:34
*** pcfe has quit IRC		05:36
*** baaba has quit IRC		05:36
*** [1]baaba has joined #maemo		05:36
*** [1]baaba is now known as baaba		05:37
*** gregorovius_ has joined #maemo		05:48
*** gregorovius has quit IRC		05:52
*** fnordianslip has quit IRC		05:57
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		05:59
*** Grackle has joined #maemo		06:03
*** secureendpoints_ has joined #maemo		06:10
*** moontiger has joined #maemo		06:15
gregorovius_	could something like this ( http://tinyurl.com/6feedg ) work with a n800? I mean the remote control, not the headphones	06:22
*** kcome has joined #maemo		06:23
*** hfwilke has joined #maemo		06:28
*** secureendpoints has quit IRC		06:28
*** profoX` has joined #maemo		06:34
*** matt_c has quit IRC		06:38
*** goodmanson has joined #maemo		06:39
goodmanson	hey	06:39
*** goodmanson has left #maemo		06:40
el3kt	there's really no way to make n800 chaege from usb?	06:47
el3kt	charge'	06:47
gregorovius_	el3kt: with a usb to powerplug adapter	06:48
*** chmac has quit IRC		06:48
*** moontiger has quit IRC		06:58
*** kcome has quit IRC		07:04
*** kcome has joined #maemo		07:06
*** tjafk1 has joined #maemo		07:09
*** mbuf has quit IRC		07:17
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		07:17
*** tjafk has quit IRC		07:25
*** jeward has joined #maemo		07:27
jeward	Hi, I have an n810 that was working with USBModem on a Treo 755p. It's stopped working and I can't get it going again. Can anyone help me?	07:28
jeward	My MacBook can still tether to it.	07:28
Maur	Is that neccesary? I had my N800 tethered to my Treo 650 via bluetooth, with no 3rd-party software	07:37
*** jeward has quit IRC		07:38
*** Pio has quit IRC		07:40
*** Pio has joined #maemo		07:41
*** philipl has joined #maemo		07:42
*** hfwilke has quit IRC		07:51
*** el3kt has quit IRC		08:00
*** _matthias_ has joined #maemo		08:04
*** EspeonEefi has joined #maemo		08:05
*** mbuf has quit IRC		08:06
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		08:07
*** Pio has left #maemo		08:18
*** hyankov has joined #maemo		08:20
hyankov	guys. can I use a laptop keyboard through the USB? Nokia N800 (OS2008)	08:21
AStorm	maybe, depends on how much current does it want	08:22
AStorm	you might need a powered USB hub	08:22
*** EspeonEefi has quit IRC		08:23
hyankov	i mean, the laptop is running	08:23
AStorm	uhhmmm	08:24
AStorm	You mean, the actual keyboard laptop has	08:24
AStorm	it'd need a piece of software	08:24
AStorm	I know none program like that	08:25
AStorm	I'd like to though	08:25
AStorm	a piece of software that makes a certain USB port appear like a device	08:26
hyankov	well	08:26
hyankov	there is one	08:26
hyankov	but i am not sure if it will work that way	08:26
hyankov	let me find it	08:26
AStorm	it should	08:26
AStorm	although hub-to-hub connection is unsafe	08:26
AStorm	you'd need a special hacked cable for that	08:27
hyankov	the cable is not a problem	08:28
AStorm	it is	08:28
hyankov	ok, the N800 comes with a USB cable, right?	08:28
AStorm	you cannot provide voltage to a working USB hub	08:28
hyankov	hm	08:28
AStorm	that cable is for n8x0 as a client	08:28
AStorm	although it should work	08:28
hyankov	but there is a program that makes it a host	08:28
AStorm	trick is, you will switch n8x0 into host mode	08:28
hyankov	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbhost/	08:29
AStorm	this will burn the port in your laptop ;P	08:29
hyankov	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/	08:29
hyankov	hm	08:29
AStorm	no no, you don't get it	08:29
hyankov	so if it was an external keyboard, it would work?	08:29
hyankov	but if it's a laptop's one, it won't?	08:29
AStorm	yes, definitely	08:29
hyankov	i see	08:29
AStorm	but hub-to-hub is unsafe	08:29
AStorm	you'd have to somehow put n8x0 usb into client mode, while all the software and such works like in host mode	08:30
hyankov	http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/05/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-connect-ordinary.html	08:30
AStorm	or simulate USB OTG on the other side too	08:30
AStorm	and cheat that it's a device to device connection	08:31
AStorm	and that the other side is providing power	08:31
AStorm	(the laptop side)	08:31
hyankov	aha	08:31
hyankov	i get it now	08:31
AStorm	this is some fairly low-level programming	08:31
hyankov	thanks a bunch	08:31
*** mbuf has quit IRC		08:32
hyankov	anyone here is Python/GTK developer?	08:34
hyankov	i have a very stupid question	08:34
hyankov	don't be shy	08:35
*** hyankov1 has joined #maemo		08:43
*** hyankov has quit IRC		08:44
*** hyankov1 has left #maemo		08:49
*** qnr-lt has quit IRC		09:01
*** gregorovius_ has quit IRC		09:07
*** gregorovius_ has joined #maemo		09:07
*** AngieQ has quit IRC		09:09
*** iron has joined #maemo		09:12
*** vcgomes is now known as vcgomes[away]		09:12
iron	hi everyone	09:13
*** uncorq has quit IRC		09:13
*** uncorq has joined #maemo		09:14
*** Zic has joined #maemo		09:15
*** iron has quit IRC		09:15
*** vegai has quit IRC		09:21
lopz	night	09:26
TZander	moin	09:31
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		09:36
Jaffa	gregorovius_ / AStorm / GeneralAntilles : One of /etc/osso/* defines MYDOCS_DIR which you can use to change the location from /home/user/MyDocs. Anything assuming ~/MyDocs has a bug. I use it to put mine on /media/mmc2 without having the space used of booting off it.	09:37
gregorovius_	oh, I'll check it out, thanks jaffa	09:39
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, so what you're trying to tell me is that N810s have no storage? :P	09:39
gregorovius_	would be good to add that to the wiki, as there's al ready a 'mydocs' page	09:39
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: no, that I want the space for other things ;-p	09:41
gregorovius_	Jaffa: in /etc/osso/ I only have a file named osso-addressbook-stop.sh	09:42
*** skibur has quit IRC		09:44
gregorovius_	osso-af-init/af-defines.sh: # The MyDocs directory	09:44
gregorovius_	osso-af-init/af-defines.sh: export MYDOCSDIR=$HOME/MyDocs	09:44
gregorovius_	osso-backup/osso-backup.conf: <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path>	09:44
gregorovius_	osso-global-search/locations.conf: <documents-path>$HOME/MyDocs</documents-path>	09:44
gregorovius_	well, it seems nokia is assuming ~/MyDocs	09:45
*** AFBN810 has joined #maemo		09:49
TZander	gregorovius_: as the default, does that surprise?	09:49
*** Sargun has joined #maemo		09:50
gregorovius_	somewhat	09:51
*** moontiger has joined #maemo		09:51
*** simboss has joined #maemo		09:51
*** acydlord has quit IRC		09:52
*** EspeonEefi has joined #maemo		09:54
*** mbuf has quit IRC		09:56
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo		10:01
*** ab has quit IRC		10:06
*** ab has joined #maemo		10:06
*** vims0r has quit IRC		10:08
Jaffa	gregorovius_: You want af-defines.sh	10:08
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		10:09
gregorovius_	Jaffa: yes, I edited it and it seems to be working, except audio files are not being found when I put them into the .sounds folder	10:09
*** vims0r has joined #maemo		10:10
*** p\| has joined #maemo		10:12
gregorovius_	canola isn't finding images in the .images folder as well =/	10:13
moontiger	do you guys know anything about home screen applets?	10:13
gregorovius_	I don't... i'm sure some people in this channel do, but how many of them are awake, I don't know	10:15
*** qwerty12 has joined #maemo		10:18
moontiger	heh yah ... friday night and all :)	10:22
moontiger	<--- has no life	10:22
GeneralAntilles	Woo	10:23
* qwerty12 knows he needs a new processor and graphics card when rendering the os2008 desktop makes his fan whir up :\		10:26
Jaffa	gregorovius_: you'll need to tell Canola about the new folder	10:29
* Jaffa weddings		10:29
Jaffa	(not mine)	10:29
qwerty12	effing hell, how do you do a "/" on an N810 keyboard?	10:30
gregorovius_	Jaffa: it's a hidden folder, hence I can't choose it from canola	10:30
gregorovius_	it does have a 'sounds folder', but it didn't work	10:30
*** housetier has joined #maemo		10:31
qwerty12	gregorovius_: interested in a wacky way of doing it?	10:32
gregorovius_	does it involve rabbits or secret magic powder?	10:32
qwerty12	No, that comes later	10:33
* gregorovius_ is dissapointed		10:33
gregorovius_	tell me	10:33
qwerty12	Make a folder with exactly the same numbers of characters in the folder that you want to add (including the .) and add it in canola. Copy the file ~/.canola/prefs/scanned_folders and use an hex editor to change the folder name. I'd say use vi on the tablet but the canola people seem to have some weird way of storing their settings.	10:34
qwerty12	Oh, the folder has to be in the same path as the hidden one.	10:36
gregorovius_	funny	10:36
gregorovius_	yeah, that should work	10:36
* qwerty12 goes back to figuring out how to input a "/" on an N810 keyboard ;)		10:36
gregorovius_	thanks	10:36
qwerty12	np. I should just emulate an N800 instead >.<	10:37
gregorovius_	is there any way to modify the locking/unlocking behaviour? I don't really like power-enter to unlock	10:42
gregorovius_	i'd rather have a single short press or something like that	10:42
qwerty12	No :(. mce is closed source. There is a open source clone which is very customisable (powerlaunch) but has some bugs.	10:43
*** rsalveti has quit IRC		10:44
gregorovius_	bummer	10:44
gregorovius_	that didn't quite work, btw	10:44
gregorovius_	canola isn't playing my files	10:45
gregorovius_	doesn't matter really, I can live with that	10:45
*** CptLaptop has joined #maemo		10:47
*** krutt has joined #maemo		10:51
* qwerty12 has to disable the "n810"'s keyboard. it's driving me effing mad.		10:51
*** gregorovius_ is now known as gregorovius		10:54
moontiger	qwerty12, you mean the onscreen one?	10:56
qwerty12	moontiger: no, the hardware one. except I'm using an emulated N810 so I don't actually have the N810 keyboard physically >.<	10:57
moontiger	ohhhhhhhhhh ... well the real one drives me f***ing mad too :\|	10:58
qwerty12	hehe. i'm messing around with gconftool, hopefully I can make it believe it doesn't have a keyboard and I'm using an external one :)	10:58
moontiger	heh :)	11:00
moontiger	anyways ... nn all	11:00
*** moontiger has quit IRC		11:00
*** foka has joined #maemo		11:05
*** netx has quit IRC		11:15
*** madhav has joined #maemo		11:15
*** guardian has joined #maemo		11:16
*** foka has quit IRC		11:26
*** atul has joined #maemo		11:29
*** gregorovius has quit IRC		11:32
*** nab__ has joined #maemo		11:38
*** Free_maN has quit IRC		11:41
*** Pavlz has joined #maemo		11:41
Pavlz	hello	11:42
*** oilinki3 has joined #maemo		11:43
*** lbt has joined #maemo		11:44
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo		11:45
*** nab has quit IRC		11:46
*** _matthias_ has quit IRC		11:46
*** kabtoffe has quit IRC		11:46
*** atul has quit IRC		11:46
*** kabtoffe has joined #maemo		11:48
Pavlz	i ask you a thing	11:54
Pavlz	what this the distance that wi-fi can do if i got acees points in outdoor with antennas ?	11:54
*** oilinki has quit IRC		11:59
GeneralAntilles	That's an unanswerable question.	12:00
*** Woefix has joined #maemo		12:00
GeneralAntilles	It depends on a huge variety of factors.	12:00
*** oilinki3 is now known as oilinki		12:00
GeneralAntilles	Wifi can pretty much be LoS for as long a distance as you want with the right antenna and amplifier.	12:00
qwerty12	~lart Werror	12:02
* infobot whacks Werror with a giant beaver's tail		12:02
Pavlz	for example ?	12:03
*** juergbi has joined #maemo		12:04
Pavlz	better without amplifier, cause of noise and never sync signal that could damage the RF POWER MODULE	12:05
*** mazzen has joined #maemo		12:08
GeneralAntilles	Doesn't matter	12:09
GeneralAntilles	It's not a question that can be answered in short.	12:09
GeneralAntilles	Google is your friend.	12:09
Pavlz	i know	12:12
Pavlz	but if you want we can listen this evening	12:12
Pavlz	when i turn back from the sea	12:12
Pavlz	bye bye paolo	12:12
tank-man	if you want a vauge answer, imo the wifi in the n800 is good	12:13
*** mbuf has quit IRC		12:21
*** Stskeeps has quit IRC		12:22
*** Edulix has joined #maemo		12:34
*** koos_ has left #maemo		12:34
*** netx has joined #maemo		12:37
*** p\| has quit IRC		12:41
*** mardi__1 has quit IRC		12:42
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo		12:42
*** atul has joined #maemo		12:50
atul	Hi konfoo	12:50
atul	are u here	12:50
GAN800	qwerty12, iz palmos better then maemo? :P	12:54
qwerty12	GAN800: I don't think so. I won't deny that it does have more apps and the handwriting recognition works better than maemo but I never liked it. When I smashed my Palm, I went and bought a Pocket PC and never looked back.	12:55
GAN800	lol	12:56
GAN800	Wasn't a serious question. ;)	12:56
qwerty12	hehe :)	12:56
qwerty12	Uploading transmission to extras wont work for me unless the autobuilder can run an sbrsh :P	12:57
qwerty12	"event.c: In function `event_base_loop':event.c:528: internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:546.Please submit a full bug report,with preprocessed source if appropriate.Send email to arm-gnu@codesourcery.com for instructions."	12:57
qwerty12	No wait, I have optimisations set, lemme remove them	12:58
*** atul has quit IRC		12:59
*** alex-weej has quit IRC		13:01
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo		13:07
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo		13:07
*** sp3000 has joined #maemo		13:12
*** lele has quit IRC		13:14
*** p\| has joined #maemo		13:17
*** yerga has joined #maemo		13:20
*** ttmrichter_ has joined #maemo		13:23
*** andre____ has joined #maemo		13:31
*** andre___ has quit IRC		13:31
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo		13:35
*** t0h has quit IRC		13:37
*** ttmrichter has quit IRC		13:38
*** t0h has joined #maemo		13:42
*** jkyro has quit IRC		13:45
*** housetier has quit IRC		13:52
*** gletelli has quit IRC		14:02
*** gletelli has joined #maemo		14:02
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC		14:03
*** Binky has joined #maemo		14:05
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo		14:06
Binky	Hi everyone	14:06
*** addoc has joined #maemo		14:07
Binky	People, is there any way that if you unzip/unrar a file, it erases from the compressed file	14:07
Binky	I have enough space on mmc for the rar, but not for the rar and all the unrared files (which should be the double)	14:08
addoc	not according to http://linux.die.net/man/1/unrar	14:11
addoc	move the compressed rar to a usb stick and unrar (or rar e) from that	14:12
*** jkyro has joined #maemo		14:13
*** fnordianslip has joined #maemo		14:13
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		14:22
*** t_s_o has quit IRC		14:23
*** gletelli has quit IRC		14:23
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		14:23
*** Woefix has quit IRC		14:27
*** gletelli has quit IRC		14:28
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		14:28
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		14:29
Binky	addoc, thank you	14:30
*** secureendpoints_ is now known as secureendpoints		14:30
*** Binky has quit IRC		14:30
*** madha1 has joined #maemo		14:31
*** madhav has quit IRC		14:32
*** patoh has joined #maemo		14:32
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo		14:43
*** bergie has joined #maemo		14:47
*** mazzen has quit IRC		14:52
*** FuSiON_ has joined #maemo		14:53
*** madha1 has quit IRC		15:03
CptLaptop	http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/lalala.jpg	15:04
CptLaptop	ide?	15:04
CptLaptop	i have no clue about such things	15:04
GAN800	What about it?	15:04
aquatix	looks like pata yes	15:05
aquatix	really dusty pata	15:05
CptLaptop	just vacuumed it	15:05
aquatix	:)	15:05
GAN800	Actually that's a molex in the foreground. :P	15:05
CptLaptop	i need a new DVD burner as that ones flaky	15:05
aquatix	a power supply molex indeed	15:06
aquatix	GAN800: molex is just a brand of connectors :)	15:06
*** bergie has quit IRC		15:06
GAN800	aquatix, excuse me for being lazy with the thumbboard.	15:06
aquatix	:P	15:07
CptLaptop	so i need the dvd burner that says 1 x IDE/ATAPI - 40 pin IDC `?	15:07
aquatix	GAN800: find yourself excused	15:07
mavhc	is it possible to reset the Video Center database of files it thinks its downloaded? it's playing the wrong files. Don't really want to lose the feeds though	15:07
* aquatix would have said the same btw ;)		15:07
aquatix	CptLaptop: that or 80 pin	15:07
CptLaptop	http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/blah.jpg	15:08
CptLaptop	those pins i shou d count?	15:09
aquatix	look like 40	15:09
aquatix	80 are smaller	15:09
aquatix	the ribbon cable	15:09
aquatix	http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=586	15:10
CptLaptop	thx	15:10
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo		15:11
CptLaptop	why does one say ide/atapi and the other one i fouind says ata-66?	15:11
*** Dibblah has joined #maemo		15:15
glass	ata-66 is speed spec	15:16
glass	just buy whatever ide/pata drive	15:16
Dibblah	Two links for those unfortunate enough to not be able to afford newer than N770: http://dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/N770-Battery/ http://dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/N770-SD/	15:16
CptLaptop	ah thanks	15:17
GAN800	s/N770/770/g	15:17
Dibblah	... Replacing the battery with a 2400mAh cell and a full-sized cell.	15:17
GAN800	There's no such thing as an 'N770'	15:17
CptLaptop	Dibblah: happen to have similar link (battery) for n800?	15:17
Dibblah	Bah. It's what everyone I know calls it :(	15:17
Dibblah	CptLaptop: It's harder to do, as I mention at the bottom of the page.	15:18
GAN800	Everyone you know is wrong.	15:18
mavhc	the wrong name is better than the right name though	15:18
Dibblah	(On the "800" ;) the metal backbone goes through the entire unit, adding significantly to it's structure)	15:19
*** IRSeekBot has joined #maemo		15:19
GAN800	s/800/N800/g	15:19
mavhc	if you can't afford an n800 can you afford to take apart your n770 and attack it?	15:19
GAN800	'Better'?	15:19
Dibblah	Well, since it only cost me £70, yes :)	15:19
CptLaptop	thats more than a used n800 would cost you	15:20
CptLaptop	at least not far from	15:20
Dibblah	CptLaptop: I get the feeling you don't live in the UK.	15:20
CptLaptop	live in norway which is more expensive than the uk but thats what importing shit is for	15:21
Dibblah	And that was ~1.5 years ago, when a company over here had a firesale of them.	15:21
CptLaptop	ah	15:21
mavhc	Dibblah: did you mean 5mm or .5mm in the battery text?	15:23
Dibblah	5mm.	15:23
Dibblah	It's actually _slightly_ less, but not much.	15:23
CptLaptop	this webshop over here is having a weekend offer for a dmtech starry7 internet radio for 100usd. half want one. anyone have any experience with such standalones?	15:23
mavhc	surely the whole thing is hardly 5mm high	15:24
*** krau has joined #maemo		15:25
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		15:31
*** TeringTu1y has joined #maemo		15:34
*** Edulix has quit IRC		15:36
*** p\| has quit IRC		15:37
Dibblah	mavhc: I don't understand what you mean.	15:39
Dibblah	5mm == .5cm.	15:39
mavhc	how tall is the battery?	15:40
Dibblah	The new or the old?	15:40
mavhc	new	15:41
*** pH5 has joined #maemo		15:42
*** mk500 has quit IRC		15:43
crashanddie	mavhc, the battery in the n810 ?	15:44
crashanddie	The BP-4L ?	15:44
Dibblah	The old is just over 5mm thick.	15:45
Dibblah	The new is just under 9mm thick.	15:45
*** TeringTuby has quit IRC		15:46
crashanddie	The BP-4L is 66mm x 43mm x 4mm	15:46
crashanddie	Dunno which one you're talking about	15:46
GAN800	scrollback.	15:47
crashanddie	oh, 770 battery	15:48
crashanddie	lol, http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-3600mah-extended-battery-nokia-n810-with-battery-door-blue-p-475.html	15:50
crashanddie	that's ugly as fuck :P	15:51
GAN800	lotta power, though.	15:51
crashanddie	yeah	15:51
*** croppa has quit IRC		15:51
crashanddie	that's what, more than double what you get from the BP-4L	15:52
* lcuk wakesu p all bleary eyed		15:52
GAN800	1500mAh	15:52
crashanddie	well, let's admit that after a year of usage, being optimistic, you get 1200mAh out of it	15:53
RST38h	moo, all	15:53
crashanddie	and that you don't really get 3600mAh, just some 33-3400	15:53
crashanddie	still a pretty good deal for £40	15:53
*** croppa has joined #maemo		15:53
lcuk	does anyone know where i might find some free stock textures?	15:53
crashanddie	textures ?	15:53
GAN800	Google?	15:53
crashanddie	GAN800, hey, grumpy, get back in your cave	15:54
lcuk	im tryin google but the sleep in my eyes is interupting	15:54
crashanddie	GAN800, you don't google lcuk	15:54
GAN800	There's textures everywhere if you search for them.	15:54
* GAN800 hisses at crashanddie.		15:54
crashanddie	lcuk, remember how I said the final version of CR would be out tonight ?	15:54
GAN800	What sort of textures, anyway?	15:55
lcuk	im looking for royalty free ones tbh :) i wanna see how nicely an alpha blended menu will look :)	15:55
*** Raytray has joined #maemo		15:55
crashanddie	lcuk, might take a bit longer than that, I started a complete architectural redesign	15:55
lcuk	thinking granite for the background	15:55
lcuk	ooooh crash - its always the way	15:55
crashanddie	last time I commited, git went "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD"	15:55
GAN800	You could always take a camera outside if it comes down to it.	15:56
lcuk	oh one other thing, the "13:49:50 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at " error when you press the home key - should i bring up a menu which says "do you wanna return to hildon?"	15:56
GAN800	flickr might work if you filter by license.	15:56
crashanddie	lcuk, "Exit?"	15:56
lcuk	GAN800, thats a good idea, but i dont have any granite rock formations in manchester	15:57
GAN800	But there's lots of free stuff on google.	15:57
crashanddie	lcuk, http://www.gettyimages.com/Creative/RoyaltyFree.aspx	15:57
pH5	hi, does anybody know if there exists a tango style device icon depicting a nokia n810 somewhere?	15:58
*** qwerty12-N800 has joined #maemo		15:58
lcuk	thanks crashanddie :D	15:58
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC		15:58
*** qwerty12-N800 is now known as qwerty12_N800		15:58
GAN800	I used to have a decent collection but lost it in a drive failure a few years ago.	15:58
crashanddie	lcuk, plenty: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&lic=rf&assetType=image&p=stone&src=standard#	16:00
crashanddie	I go to gettyimages for nearly everything	16:00
lcuk	http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?src=findsimilar&assettype=Image&sfkc=Backgrounds%3BMarble%3BPattern%3BRock#2	16:00
lcuk	i found loads :) thanks	16:00
*** dmes has quit IRC		16:01
crashanddie	lcuk, with virgin, is there a limit on downloading ? They say "no limit", but what's the fair use policy ?	16:03
GAN800	Jaiku is too ridiculous.	16:04
*** matt_c has joined #maemo		16:04
GAN800	irc for fail.	16:04
lcuk	there is a limit, if you go over daily cap of (feck knows) then you get slowed down	16:04
crashanddie	lcuk, I can't watch megavideo clips anymore, says "connection problem", and when i go through encrypted proxy in france, it works without any problem	16:04
lcuk	it dependes on package and area though i believe	16:04
lcuk	i gave up on all that worry though a while ago and just use it as i need	16:04
t_s_o	GAN800: define rediculous...	16:04
crashanddie	t_s_o, a spell used in Harry Potter	16:05
lcuk	crashanddie, that could be due to other problems	16:05
crashanddie	lcuk, yeah, probably, but well, works now	16:05
GAN800	I can't, that's not a word. :P	16:05
GAN800	But, seriously, it's just a stupid waste of time.	16:06
lcuk	if i use a CC none commercial share alike image - do i add attributation in the COPYING license area (which I have a link to view from within liqbase)	16:07
lcuk	or does it have to be on the page where i view the image	16:07
* lcuk has a better idea		16:09
lcuk	crashanddie, i will need the code to open a browser :) im gonna add a closing page	16:09
*** fnordianslip_ has joined #maemo		16:14
*** felipec has joined #maemo		16:17
*** fnordianslip has quit IRC		16:21
crashanddie	lcuk, you already have it	16:22
*** trev0r1 has quit IRC		16:23
crashanddie	lcuk, if you have cloudreader installed, there's a file called open_url in /usr/bin	16:23
lcuk	i thought the one i had opened within yours, nm when i come to it if i cant do it i'll holler :)	16:23
lcuk	i never installed it - it was run from the project folder	16:23
crashanddie	lcuk, fair enough, but well, it's in the .deb if you need it, just do a system("open_url http://www.google.com");	16:24
lcuk	cool thx	16:24
qwerty12_N800	can't you directly pass a url to the browser by using browser --url?	16:24
*** trev0r has joined #maemo		16:25
*** XTL has quit IRC		16:26
*** gletelli has quit IRC		16:29
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		16:29
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		16:29
*** qwerty12-N800 has joined #maemo		16:31
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC		16:31
*** XTL has joined #maemo		16:32
*** Edulix has joined #maemo		16:32
*** __t has joined #maemo		16:36
*** GazzaK is now known as Gary		16:37
*** dmes has joined #maemo		16:37
*** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC		16:38
*** ttmrichter_ has joined #maemo		16:39
*** Stskeeps has joined #maemo		16:39
*** TeringTuby has joined #maemo		16:43
*** kevinverma has joined #Maemo		16:44
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		16:45
*** gletelli has quit IRC		16:46
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		16:46
crashanddie	qwerty12-N800, afraid not	16:51
*** TeringTu2y has joined #maemo		16:51
qwerty12-N800	ah :(	16:51
crashanddie	qwerty12-N800, well, you can, and you could desynchronise the system() call by using '&' at the end of the command, but the problem is you don't use dbus if you do that	16:53
qwerty12-N800	ah I see. did cloudreader appear in extras then?	16:54
crashanddie	no, my gpg key still isn't recognised by the builder	16:54
crashanddie	I have to wait until Niels gets back from holiday	16:55
crashanddie	(x-fade)	16:55
*** TeringTu1y has quit IRC		16:55
qwerty12-N800	heh :/	16:56
crashanddie	lcuk, if you're going to be using the open_url script, I might just have to package it, too	16:56
crashanddie	lcuk, cuz if someone uninstalls cloudreader, it would break liqbase	16:56
lcuk	dont worry, i was just thinking about a closing screen for liqbase :)	16:57
crashanddie	lcuk, unless we both add a dependency on the open_url package	16:57
lcuk	what happens inside your script thou	16:57
lcuk	and cant i just run that action inside a system call	16:57
crashanddie	nope	16:57
crashanddie	hang on	16:57
lcuk	its ok	16:57
lcuk	i wont even put it in - of course it may help you if you figure it out	16:58
crashanddie	spam	16:58
crashanddie	send_url ()	16:58
crashanddie	{	16:58
crashanddie	dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser \	16:58
crashanddie	--print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request \	16:58
crashanddie	com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"$1" && exit 0	16:58
crashanddie	}	16:58
crashanddie	send_url "$1"	16:58
crashanddie	DISPLAY=:0 run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser >/dev/null 2>&1 &	16:58
crashanddie	for _ in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do sleep 1; send_url "$1"; done	16:58
crashanddie	exit 1	16:58
*** gletelli has quit IRC		16:59
crashanddie	dude	16:59
crashanddie	I'm an idiot	16:59
crashanddie	or maybe I'm not	17:00
qwerty12-N800	if you both have the script inn the same location in each of your packages, dpkg will not install one if the other is installed	17:00
qwerty12-N800	s/inn/in/	17:00
infobot	qwerty12-N800 meant: if you both have the script in the same location in each of your packages, dpkg will not install one if the other is installed	17:00
lcuk	im not adding scripts	17:00
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		17:00
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		17:00
crashanddie	ah, no, I'm not an idiot :)	17:01
lcuk	is that your final answer?	17:02
crashanddie	yes	17:02
*** madhav has joined #maemo		17:02
lcuk	:D ogod, you just won yourself a half eaten ham sandwich and a pint of gone off milk	17:03
lcuk	^good even lol	17:03
*** TeringTuby has quit IRC		17:03
aquatix	you're now on for the micro wave even	17:05
aquatix	*oven	17:05
lcuk	i really have to stop visiting bacon reddit	17:06
lcuk	it makes me hungry	17:06
aquatix	lol	17:06
*** TeringTuby has joined #maemo		17:07
lcuk	whilst i think on, i think ill follow in lardman\|gone's footsteps and add "bacon" as an alert keyword	17:08
aquatix	bacon	17:08
aquatix	fanbacontastic	17:08
lcuk	i can feel my arteries hardening:	17:10
lcuk	Chicken Fried Bacon. Bacon with seasoning, battered, breaded, deep-fried, served with ranch or honey mustard sauce.	17:10
aquatix	hm, honey mustard sauce	17:10
lcuk	just searching freenode for a #bacon channel	17:11
Stskeeps	god.. debian sometimes. debconf GTK support requires libgnome2-perl.. which causes installation to need debconf	17:11
lopz	hola	17:13
*** bilboed has joined #maemo		17:14
*** TeringTu1y has joined #maemo		17:15
*** simboss has quit IRC		17:16
aquatix	Stskeeps: grin	17:17
aquatix	or rather rictus ;)	17:17
*** TeringTu2y has quit IRC		17:19
*** Gracana has joined #maemo		17:19
*** usicow has joined #maemo		17:19
usicow	on ebay I see some screen protectors that they say are for the n810 but the image looks like its for the iphone. Are the iPhone and N810 screen protectors interchangeable?	17:20
*** t_s_o has quit IRC		17:22
*** Grackle has quit IRC		17:22
*** Dibblah has quit IRC		17:23
*** gletelli has quit IRC		17:27
*** TeringTuby has quit IRC		17:27
Stskeeps	aquatix: i would much rather have taken the Ubuntu port instead of Debian, but it wasn't complete enough :P	17:28
aquatix	usicow: might be that they are the same size	17:28
aquatix	Stskeeps: ah :)	17:28
*** TeringTuby has joined #maemo		17:28
Stskeeps	(i -did- have ubuntu booting, but i'm not confident about the basic metapackages)	17:28
Stskeeps	http://i33.tinypic.com/f9lhy0.jpg <- oh this is just plain funny	17:30
Stskeeps	:P	17:30
*** Edulix has quit IRC		17:31
eichi	is there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal?	17:32
mavhc	http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html are the limits, but they just slow you down if you break them	17:32
mavhc	however you can dl more slowed down than you can by sticking to the limits	17:32
crashanddie	eichi, sorry ?	17:35
*** TeringTu2y has joined #maemo		17:36
mavhc	is there an internal temp sensor that the user can read btw?	17:37
qwerty12-N800	mavhc: yes, it's a standard i2c one	17:37
qwerty12-N800	mavhc: www.nitapps.com	17:38
mavhc	thanks	17:38
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo		17:39
*** TeringTu1y has quit IRC		17:40
mavhc	almost everything on that page is something I'd want, brilliant	17:40
*** balrog-k1n has quit IRC		17:46
*** fnordianslip_ has quit IRC		17:48
*** TeringTuby has quit IRC		17:48
*** balrog-kun has joined #maemo		17:50
*** housetier has joined #maemo		17:50
*** addoc has quit IRC		17:51
*** turbo is now known as briand		17:53
*** fnordianslip has joined #maemo		17:53
*** pH5 has quit IRC		17:54
*** qwerty12 has joined #maemo		17:56
*** towo has joined #maemo		18:00
*** jnettlet has quit IRC		18:03
*** kcome has quit IRC		18:04
*** doc\|home has quit IRC		18:11
eichi	crashanddie, what?	18:11
*** housetier has quit IRC		18:12
*** usicow has quit IRC		18:12
*** doc\|home has joined #maemo		18:12
*** t_s_o has quit IRC		18:13
crashanddie	(eichi) is there no other way to view the device time seconds then using "date" in the terminal?	18:14
*** qnr-lt has joined #maemo		18:14
*** qwerty12-N800 has quit IRC		18:15
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		18:16
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		18:16
*** madha1 has joined #maemo		18:16
eichi	crashanddie, i want to see the "time"	18:17
eichi	with seconds	18:17
*** simboss has joined #maemo		18:18
crashanddie	eichi, ok...	18:18
crashanddie	then just get a clock that supports seconds	18:18
*** Edulix has joined #maemo		18:20
qwerty12	http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9935/screenshot03sd1.png	18:21
*** madhav has quit IRC		18:21
*** gletelli has quit IRC		18:23
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		18:23
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		18:23
*** guardian has quit IRC		18:24
crashanddie	qwerty12, you're emulating diablo in diablo?	18:26
crashanddie	qwerty12, what else can you run ?	18:26
*** AFBN810 has quit IRC		18:27
qwerty12	crashanddie: well, my computer is. The wonders of ssh X forwarding :)	18:27
qwerty12	http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8237/screenshot04su0.png	18:27
qwerty12	crashanddie: dunno, haven't installed anything :/	18:28
crashanddie	oh	18:29
crashanddie	but you didn't get QEMU to run on the NIT natively	18:29
qwerty12	crashanddie: someone probably could but the speed would be horrible >.<	18:29
qwerty12	it only needs sdl for output :/	18:29
crashanddie	could be fun :P	18:30
crashanddie	Running vista on the n810	18:30
qwerty12	what I really need to do is emulate os2007 though but that means I have to recompile qemu and I don't want to do that :P	18:30
qwerty12	eew, I hated vista on my computer	18:30
*** madhav has joined #maemo		18:30
eichi	what is "vista" ?	18:32
*** madha1 has quit IRC		18:33
* qwerty12 raised my eyebrows so fast, they nearly ripped off		18:33
qwerty12	http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/default.aspx	18:33
*** zap has joined #maemo		18:37
*** edulix_ has joined #maemo		18:38
*** guardian has joined #maemo		18:44
*** vivijim has joined #maemo		18:45
*** Edulix has quit IRC		18:51
*** lmoura has joined #maemo		18:53
elekt	ubiquity is sweet	18:56
elekt	you guys check it out	18:56
*** FuSiON_ has quit IRC		18:58
Stskeeps	mozilla or installer?	19:12
Stskeeps	:P	19:12
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo		19:13
*** edulix_ is now known as Edulix		19:22
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		19:24
*** trev0r has quit IRC		19:25
*** trev0r has joined #maemo		19:25
*** gletelli has quit IRC		19:26
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		19:26
Stskeeps	~lart debconf	19:26
* infobot calls debconf on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home		19:26
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Hehe, what's up?	19:27
Stskeeps	qwerty12: target: gtk dialog boxes instead of ncurses bases while apt-get installing stuff	19:29
Stskeeps	use gtk: requires a package that will use a ncurses box before it installs the support perl library	19:29
Stskeeps	i swear, if someone has the new dll hell award, it's debian	19:29
qwerty12	heh :(	19:30
qwerty12	I'm going to start work on backing up mtdblock4 from bootmenu	19:30
*** uncorq has quit IRC		19:31
*** sven-tek has joined #maemo		19:32
*** sven-tek has quit IRC		19:33
jott	Stskeeps: can't you force an answers?	19:34
jott	Stskeeps: like adding stuff to /var/cache/debconf/config.dat	19:35
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		19:40
elekt	what's the #maemo logs url?	19:40
johnx	~topic	19:40
qwerty12	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog	19:40
*** gletelli has quit IRC		19:41
elekt	ty, can't always see it in this client	19:41
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		19:41
elekt	it'd be nice to have a ubiquity command for that	19:41
elekt	it's really good :x	19:41
*** felipec has quit IRC		19:41
johnx	ah, me neither. I was trying to get a bot to list it...	19:41
* qwerty12 just went and hit the /topic :P		19:41
* johnx doesn't always remember IRC commands		19:42
* jott uses irssi and sees the topic all the time :)		19:42
elekt	it's the curse of gui	19:42
* qwerty12 hardly knows any :)		19:42
* qwerty12 uses X-Chat and sees it at the top		19:42
elekt	what is this 3rd person crap, you can't all be that awesome	19:42
elekt	:P	19:43
* qwerty12 shoots elekt		19:43
johnx	~lart qwerty12 for being violent	19:44
* infobot follow's qwerty12 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for being violent		19:44
elekt	haha	19:44
qwerty12	~curse johnx for saying that	19:44
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, johnx for saying that !	19:44
elekt	haqha	19:44
qwerty12	~qwerty12	19:45
infobot	well, qwerty12 is violent	19:45
elekt	seriously this extension made my day	19:48
qwerty12	~ubiquity	19:49
infobot	rumour has it, ubiquity is rubbish	19:49
qwerty12	Infobot doesn't like it so I don't like it.	19:49
elekt	steve ballmer started the rumour	19:50
elekt	infobot needs some prespective	19:50
elekt	you guys should like it since it's all text based	19:50
elekt	barely any clicks	19:51
mavhc	it's enso for firefox	19:52
elekt	never seen enso	19:53
*** foka has joined #maemo		19:53
elekt	i guess yeah, there's always been stuff like this, but the range of functions is so wide	19:54
*** RP has quit IRC		19:56
*** kcome has joined #maemo		20:00
*** colinl has joined #maemo		20:00
colinl	hi; anyone knows how long between the Extras Builder OK mail and the availability on the apt source?	20:01
Stskeeps	jott: well i don't mind the questions, just the way they're presented	20:03
*** colinl has left #maemo		20:03
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo		20:04
*** doc\|home has quit IRC		20:08
*** IRSeekBot has quit IRC		20:12
*** doc\|home has joined #maemo		20:14
*** RP has joined #maemo		20:21
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo		20:23
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo		20:23
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC		20:23
*** Edulix has quit IRC		20:24
*** lindever__ has joined #maemo		20:28
*** geaaru has joined #maemo		20:29
*** lindever__ has quit IRC		20:30
*** skibur has joined #maemo		20:30
*** rsalveti has quit IRC		20:34
*** kevinverma has quit IRC		20:41
*** eton_ has quit IRC		20:44
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo		20:45
*** nelson has quit IRC		20:45
*** nelson has joined #maemo		20:46
*** guardian has quit IRC		20:46
*** gletelli has quit IRC		20:48
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo		20:48
*** gletelli_ is now known as gletelli		20:48
elekt	name: "#maemo log search",	20:52
elekt	takes: {"Site": noun_arb_text},	20:52
elekt	preview: function( pblock, theSearch ) {	20:52
elekt	pblock.innerHTML = "enter command as '#maemo'";	20:52
elekt	},	20:52
elekt	execute: function( theSearch ) {	20:52
elekt	var msg = "..Search Complete";	20:52
elekt	var url = "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=" + theSearch.text;	20:52
elekt	Utils.openUrlInBrowser( url );	20:52
elekt	displayMessage( msg );	20:52
elekt	}	20:52
elekt	})	20:52
elekt	:D	20:52
jott	this "openUrl" stuff is rather unimpressive.	20:52
elekt	yeah yeah	20:53
jott	the only nice thing about it are inline results	20:53
elekt	but useful	20:53
jott	na	20:53
elekt	you can have it open in that pane also	20:53
jott	but the presentation sucks then..	20:53
elekt	one guy did an xkcd one that shows the coming in the pane	20:53
elekt	whatever party pooper	20:54
jott	i mean this openurl thingy is like normal search shortcuts that existed for ages :/	20:54
jott	but the inline results are quite nice.	20:54
RST38h	moo	20:55
elekt	i guess i like how fast it is to get things	20:55
elekt	plus the customizing	20:55
elekt	i don't think this would be too useful on my n800 though	20:55
*** mbuf has quit IRC		20:55
*** rsalveti has quit IRC		21:00
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		21:05
*** L0cutus has quit IRC		21:06
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo		21:08
*** kpel has joined #maemo		21:10
kpel	hi	21:10
*** mbuf has quit IRC		21:14
*** VDVsx has quit IRC		21:17
*** moontiger has joined #maemo		21:31
*** mbuf has joined #maemo		21:31
*** moontiger has quit IRC		21:32
*** lcuk has quit IRC		21:35
*** __t has quit IRC		21:35
*** Woefix has joined #maemo		21:40
Stskeeps	hm. what package has xhost on maemo?	21:46
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo		21:51
*** gregorovius has joined #maemo		21:56
*** __t has joined #maemo		22:00
*** simboss has quit IRC		22:01
*** simboss has joined #maemo		22:01
*** vivijim has quit IRC		22:03
*** mbuf has quit IRC		22:04
*** Alystair has joined #maemo		22:06
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC		22:09
*** elekt has quit IRC		22:11
*** addoc has joined #maemo		22:11
*** felipec has joined #maemo		22:15
*** guardian has joined #maemo		22:18
*** bilboed has quit IRC		22:18
*** vcgomes[away] is now known as vcgomes		22:23
*** rsalveti has quit IRC		22:27
*** Binky has joined #maemo		22:29
Binky	Hi	22:29
*** Zic has quit IRC		22:29
addoc	hi Binky	22:31
Binky	addoc, , i have the first release of os2006, it won't manage 2GB cards, but with a USB host will i be able to mount a pendrive of 2, 4 or 8 GBs?	22:32
Binky	Tia	22:32
*** kcome has quit IRC		22:33
addoc	dunno, frankly :-)	22:33
*** n800m has joined #maemo		22:34
addoc	you can try	22:34
*** n800m is now known as elekt		22:34
Binky	Ok, thank you	22:35
*** Binky has quit IRC		22:39
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo		22:44
*** mardi8101 has joined #maemo		22:45
*** gregorovius has quit IRC		22:47
*** moontiger has joined #maemo		22:47
Stskeeps	tablet debian chroot 101: remember to have /tmp from maemo	22:52
*** AStorm has quit IRC		22:52
*** AStorm has joined #maemo		22:53
*** Woefix_ has joined #maemo		22:54
*** Woefix has quit IRC		22:54
*** AStorm has quit IRC		22:56
*** AStorm has joined #maemo		22:57
*** AStorm has quit IRC		22:57
*** AStorm has joined #maemo		22:58
*** elekt has quit IRC		22:59
*** n800m has joined #maemo		22:59
*** uncorq has joined #maemo		23:00
*** dholbert has joined #maemo		23:01
*** secureendpoints has left #maemo		23:01
*** alex-weej has quit IRC		23:06
*** madhav has quit IRC		23:08
*** p\| has joined #maemo		23:15
*** AStorm has quit IRC		23:23
*** AStorm has joined #maemo		23:32
*** AStorm has quit IRC		23:34
*** _pcfe_ has quit IRC		23:35
*** addoc has quit IRC		23:35
*** __t has quit IRC		23:35
*** guardian has quit IRC		23:35
*** CptLaptop has quit IRC		23:37
*** acydlord has joined #maemo		23:38
*** AStorm has joined #maemo		23:39
*** guardian has joined #maemo		23:43
*** dholbert has quit IRC		23:44
*** Woefix_ has quit IRC		23:45
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo		23:47
*** booiiing has quit IRC		23:47
riot	hmm.. say, how fscked up is the gps in nokias 810???	23:50
*** booiiing has joined #maemo		23:50
riot	i was walking about 2 km through my town (small town, 250k Citizens, no skyscrapers, rather wide streets)	23:51
riot	..and i got no fix!	23:51
riot	thats beyond all usability...	23:51
*** lopz has quit IRC		23:51
qwerty12_N800	The gps is pretty **** tbh, best you can do is to install a-gps	23:52
riot	i had (according to maemo-mapper) 6 satellites - no fix?!	23:52
mavhc	use a-gps, make sure the clock is set correctly, still not that great	23:53
riot	i mean, i never really had good experiences with GPS (i think the technology is FUBAR..) but my cheapo bluetooth gps gets a (very inprecise) fix in about 60 seconds	23:53
riot	well, how _do_ i use agps??	23:54
riot	i'm running chinook.. is it possible with that?	23:54
riot	and i have internet most of the time, so what about dgps?	23:54
riot	hmpf. i'm gonna develop my own fscking gps in this town. pfft.	23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!