IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-08-31

trev0rdiablo only00:00
Stskeepsriot: could always make better drivers for the gps and make a fortun00:01
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riotno, i mean, why is gps so crappy? Doesn't work with cheap devices, no indoors, bad precision... and i've seen stupid (VERY) wlan-triangulation-systems with so fscking high precision and EASE...00:02
MaurThat's just. Wow.00:02
Stskeepsriot: i agree nokia kinda chose wrong solution for the gps.. that's one of the things holding me back from getting a n81000:04
riot i would say "wow" over a working positioning system00:04
riotStskeeps: i didn't really buy it because of the gps..00:04
riotfact is: GPS is CRAP00:04
Stskeepsi agree, but outside it's all we have until gaileo comes along :P00:05
Stskeeps.. excepting cell-id and tower triangulation and silly wifi proximity00:05
riotgalileo is meant to deliver navigation indoors??! i disbelieve.00:05
qwerty12_N800meh, nokia implemenation on gps on the n810 is shit00:05
Stskeepsi work with a research group that does galileo stuff and they don't believe indoor either00:06
riotStskeeps: satellites are too far away, there is no way of ever receiving e.g. dvb-s indoors either00:06
Stskeepsyeah, i know00:06
riotso, what do you do? At least for large urban areas?? build a fscking ground-station based network!00:06
riotits easy! It costs few bucks! We HAD IT!00:07
Alystairwait what?00:07
riotstupid radio-towers sprung up all over the country everywhere since the invention of FM-Radio00:07
* Stskeeps passes riot the coffee pot to calm down a bit over the GPS thing00:07
riotStskeeps: i'm seriously pissed off, but thanks anyway :)00:07
* qwerty12_N800 recommends anger management :p00:08
Stskeepsbowling is good for anger management really00:08
riotthing is, i realize that i have 4 gps devices in my appartment... of which NONE is usable.00:08
rioti'm not angered, i'm just pissed off by "promises"!00:08
riotbtw. quake3 is perfect to calm down from about anything.00:08
Stskeepsriot: i've more than once considered giving up technology and moving to the romanian mountains with no infrastructure to speak of00:09
* riot will just smoke a cig, get a shower and then go to a nice party. Oh, and i'll fscking remember this biz-idea.00:09
mavhcmountains crash less often, but when you do you might die00:09
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps is going Amish in Europe.00:09
rioti've only used ONE reliable gps-solution ever. Cost: about 5kEUR, Antenna: Size of a quarter-pounder... location: Large sailship00:10
riotanyone of you read "Spook Country" from William Gibson?00:11
riotOne of the main reasons, i'm annoyed about gps. The navigation industry blows BILLIONS of bucks into space with no real result!00:11
ShadowJKThe thing about the large sailship is that the GPS got powered on while sitting in harbour for hours :P00:12
riotat least concerning non-military or non-seafaring results00:12
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: worst part is my gf actually owns a house in polish mountains.. but that has infrastructure so that's cheating00:12
ShadowJKMy N810 gets a fix in a few minutes when not moving and when satellites in view00:12
riotShadowJK: lol :)00:12
riotShadowJK: no, i was sitting in a small park for 5 minutes... it got 3 sats, yet no fix00:13
ShadowJKMy sirfstar dongle kicks its arse, it's cold starting most of the time and has a more sensitive antenna :)00:13
rioti moved along some streets, it got even 6 sats - yet no fix.00:13
mavhcworks ok for me00:13
Kegetysmake sure to use agps and dont hold your hand where the gps antenna is00:14
qwerty12_N800It would be nice if jffs2 supported ext2 attributes, then you could set "i" attribute on cached satellite positions00:14
rioti had a grip on a very nice small bluetooth gps (looked like an analog camera-film with a tiny lcd) which had a fix (in a large tent...) after about 1 minute.. but still, i don't want to carry yet another device..00:15
riotKegetys: where tf is the antenna??00:15
Kegetystop left afaik, not sure which part though00:15
jottriot: and strongly consider upgrading to diablo and use agps.00:15
riot << it was this one.00:16
riotholux seems to be rather good00:16
riotjott: after upgrading, all my apps etc are gone, right?00:16
jottriot: make a backup.00:16
riotwill i be able to use chinook repositories with diablo?00:17
jottor consider a fresh start :)00:17
jottyes, but diablo extras(-devel) have almost everything important in it nowadays.00:18
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TZanderjott: is plasma in there yet? :P00:18
riotok.. hmm. i'm gonna upgrade next week, then..00:18
jottTZander: no, still need to put some effort in it. maybe i push some more packages tomorrow.00:18
jottbut it plasma is in no chinook repository either, so :)00:19
riotoh another thing: is there a better unlock-keypad available? the stuff in chinook is TOO SMALL00:19
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jottafter finally having a working cmake it should be fairly easy now. :)00:20
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TZanderjott: I saw various screenshots already.00:21
TZanderjott: my main problem is size.  Your / will be full if you have hilon as well as plasma on there.00:21
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jottzumbi: yep, it's running but not in extras :)00:29
jottTZander: ^^00:29
jottand using it from the internal 256mb flash is not very sane :P00:29
jotti use the 2gb for my / anyway, so no big space concerns ..00:30
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TZanderjott: I just flashed my n810 with a devel image and / then is your internal thing.00:31
jottyep, you need to clone it to the internal sd...00:32
TZanderjott: So I'll probably have to compile to use /media/[something]00:32
jottit's pretty straight forward to use the 2gb card as root.00:32
TZanderhmm, didn't consider that option yet.00:32
jottmakes sense if you don't want to fight with every single wasted byte :)00:33
TZanderit does.00:34
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TZanderwe need a good wiki with these tutorials.  I've seen more useful ones in in the last week then I ever found on any site :P00:35
jottthere is :)00:36
TZanderwhich is practically empty00:36
jott hm though i must admit not the best :)00:36
jottbut should do the job i guess00:37
TZanderjott: ok, is it me or is there just no table of contents or other way to find these developer pages on the wiki?00:38
TZandergoing to the main page just gives you links to developer pages that are not on the wiki.00:38
jottthe wiki is quite new (or better the mediawiki)00:38
jottit needs love, no question.00:38
jottbut hey, it's a wiki everybody can (try to) improve it ;)00:39
* TZander notest the continued meme of 'menu on the right'.00:39
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TZanderI've noticed that a lot of nokia hardware is also easier to operate for left handed people.  Makes me wonder about the finns.00:40
qwerty12_N800Hmm, I've heard lots of lefties saying the opposite about the N8x00:41
jottdidn't you know nokias chief consultant is ned flenders? :)00:41
TZanderqwerty12_N800: apart from the pen being 'docked' on the right, its easier to use left handed for me.00:42
TZanderAt minimum I don't put my tumb on the eye that detects sunlight00:42
qwerty12_N800For me, I'm always using both hands00:43
Woefixmaemos wiki doesn't give much results when searching for "qt"...00:45
jotthmm. indeed.00:46
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Woefixporting qt apps to maemo should be easy they say.. but that only counts for the helloworld application :D00:48
jottwell generally (when there are no big dependency) it should be just a recompile :)00:49
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jottbut you should consider the screen size :)00:50
Woefixcompiling works..00:51
jotthey i can even use the qt4 designer on the device which works fairly well ..00:51
Woefixreally? :)00:52
WoefixI suppose my qt program isn't written that well :(00:52
Woefixdoes QtScripting also works on maemo qt?00:53
jottwhy not?00:53
Woefixwell it should.. if the device can find the QtScript library00:55
jotti wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/00:55
Woefixhéhé not easy on tablet I guess :)00:55
jottWoefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug.00:56
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jottwell, you need to have the "Docked Window" layout as you can't drag the stuff across multiple windows. and if you have, there is not much real screen space left ...00:57
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jottwell maybe i think of some patch to make it usable, would be nice to layout widgets on the device.00:58
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Woefix_Have I missed something? My internet is playing some tricks on me01:00
jottnot sure where you disconnected :)01:01
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Woefix_last thing you said was: <jott> i wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/01:02
jott(regarding qt4 maemo in general...) Woefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug.01:03
jottand i thought about patching designer to make it usable in fullscreen mode to layout widgets on the device :)01:04
Woefix_when trying to run my app it says: Error while loading shared libraries:
jottshould be "libQtScript"01:06
Woefix_yes, yes, I typed to fast..01:07
jottok, install libqt4-script01:07
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Woefix_now libQtNetwork01:09
Woefix_aha :)01:11
Woefix_that's something already01:12
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jottWoefix_: does your app run now?01:14
Woefix_yes it does :)01:14
Woefix_But there's still a lot that needs to be fixed since I commented out half the program to make it work for Qt first (instead of Qtopia) :D01:15
Woefix_need to fix menu/layout,...01:15
lbtthat's me in the corner...01:15
Woefix_wouldn't want to be at your place ;)01:16
* lbt has had a bad day :( disk failures, raid rebuilds, kernel bugs, urgh01:17
lbt~lart Samsung01:17
* infobot hauls Samsung up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles01:17
lbt~lart Samsung01:17
lbtinfobot sucks01:18
infobotonly if you ask nicely and pay well.01:18
* infobot gives qwerty12_n800 full service!01:18
jottyou know you can get in jail for this infobot!01:19
qwerty12_N800I wont grass infobot!01:20
qwerty12_N800infobot: wanna come to my house?01:20
jottbut google maybe will, if google finds out you are underaged. (and i bet google already knows)01:20
* GAN800 now needs to figure out how to get the Beagle booting something interesting.01:21
qwerty12_N800I'll bribe google...01:21
* lbt feels sorry for qwerty12_N800 that he's paying an irc bot for full service ... and clearly it's not the first time.01:22
qwerty12_N800<-- one fcuked up person01:22
lbthey - at least the kernel guys are answering my emails :)01:22
qwerty12_N800lbt's envious01:22
* lbt is married ;)01:22
jottso lbt is REALLY envious :P01:24
* lbt is married to a trophy wife and has no kids...01:25
* lbt 's wife *likes* being called a trophy wife :D01:25
* lbt get's extra for that!01:25
lbthmm, 'night all01:26
qwerty12_N800meanwhile, lbt is /msg'ing infobot01:26
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wasabiis media streamer the only working upnp controller app?02:12
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KlimentI'm playing around with Python on my 770, and while my applications run, they don't show up in the running applications list and so I cannot switch to them.03:28
KlimentAny ideas what could cause this?03:28
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yacoobHm... what's the name of the clock plugin from the screenshots here?
GAN800Tey mouse over? :)03:33
GAN800It's in the tooltip. ;)03:33
yacoobgaaa :D03:34
KlimentI believe yacoob was referring to the one in the screenshots underneath. Is that the same app?03:35
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GAN800Large Statusbar Clock03:39
GAN800only available for OS200803:39
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lcukGeneralAntilles, is it possible for me to up the virtual memory on my machine, or do i have to move to mmapped files (that you know of)03:48
GAN800Which machine?03:50
lcukmy 81003:51
GAN800Higher than 128MB is pointless.03:51
GAN800You'll end up slowing the system to a crawl at that point.03:52
lcukits ok, i dont need it - it wasnt enabled in diablo, i forgot id reformatted and thought i was getting memory errors for no reason03:52
lcukbut now diablo is tellin me it cant create any03:52
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wasabiman, the nokia media streamer sucks pretty bad04:41
GAN800Use Canola04:45
wasabiit's not a gupnp controller04:45
wasabialso it refuses to start04:45
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* rm_you practices bartending08:26
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pupnik_lol i dreamed about Quim Gil last night.  He wanted me to do something and i can't remember what.09:16
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pupnik_(sorry Quim)09:17
GAN8001I dreamed about sjgasdby's glasses.09:20
GAN8001It was a Maemo night.09:20
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JaffaMorning, all09:28
GAN8001Hey, Jaffa.09:29
GAN8001pupnik_, I'm playing with the Beagle you never got me video of. :P09:31
rm_youGA got a beagleboard? :P09:32
pupnik_he got impatient and wanted to experience the omap3 hotness09:33
rm_youomap3 *is* the new hotness09:33
rm_youGAN8001: how is the video playback? managed to test it yet?09:33
rm_youis there an mplayer build?09:33
rm_youGAN8001: get ssh on it and set me up an account so I can ssh in and build you apps :P09:33
GAN8001Building a serial cable at the moment09:37
GAN8001Since, somehow, I don't have one of the most common serial connectors ever anywhere in my boxes and boxes of cables.09:37
GAN8001There's mplayer09:37
GAN8001with NEON optimizations09:37
GAN8001and an omapfb decoder they use for the 720p demos.09:38
GAN8001Broke out a null modem cable I had lying around09:38
GAN8001Connecting the wires up now.09:38
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GAN8001rm_you, I need to get an SDIO wifi card or a USB something or other09:39
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pupnik_when society collapses, it will be nice to have the n810/n9x0/pandora and a little solar panel10:01
pupnik_just for a reminder of the good ol days10:01
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GAN8001OK, my manual cable is total fail.10:05
GAN8001I guess I gotta go scrounge for a real cable in the morning.10:06
rm_youI have like 5! :P10:06
rm_you... >_>10:06
GAN8001Best Buy carries them still, don't they?10:07
rm_you<_< no promises10:07
GAN8001Actually, I should probably stop by my old job10:07
GAN8001There's, like, a whole room full of dead PCs that'll most all have what I'm after.10:07
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rm_youjust need a standard RS232 serial cable?10:10
pupniki connected a VT100 to a NeXT with speaker wire once10:10
pupnikthe good ol days...10:10
rm_youi've made network cables with... well... rj45 ends, a crimper, and a random spool of wire i had laying around... <_<10:11
rm_youit's annoying when it's all the same color wire10:11
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pupnik'laid back'...10:19
GAN8001Until later.10:20
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moontigerdoes the n810 cache home screen applets in memory? i delete the executable file for one but it still shows up when i re-select it from the menu :|10:42
* qwerty12 now knows why text completion is disabled in the terminal in os2008. despite the obvious fact it's an annoyance in the terminal :/10:44
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Stskeepsand i wonder why nokia in all their glory didn't simply include in a hook for onscreen keyboard in GTK instead of requiring it must be hildonized10:53
qwerty12I know, hildon-input-method is PITA but TBH we (well, not me as I sux at this) can actually do something about it as the code is actually open.10:54
* qwerty12 gasps in horror at nokia10:54
Stskeepsi'd rather stab myself in the eye than touch gtk code10:55
qwerty12lol :P10:55
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* qwerty12 takes a look into the vte 256 colours stuff, I can't believe inz didn't realise bright black was messed up on his screenshot when he announced it :/11:00
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pupnikthat'd be real nice qwerty1211:15
pupnikit's been bugged for many months11:16
qwerty12Hopefully, this works :)11:20
qwerty12Just need to wait for it to compile11:20
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qwerty12I've managed to get it even more worse :P. >.<11:47
qwerty12lemme try again11:47
pupnikyou heard my initial fix of fceu sound on youtube?11:49
qwerty12It's tempting to compile osso-xterm against libvte911:50
qwerty12no :)11:50
pupnik   look at my hand!11:52
pupnik  fceu sound fix11:52
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qwerty12lol, the crackling :)11:53
pupniki had to share it...11:53
pupnikfixed it up a few days later11:53
pupnikbut not perfectly :(11:54
pupnikso i gave up11:54
qwerty12Hehe, I once used a2dp with bundyo's mplayer rc2 and that requires a special argument for the sound output. I didn't know this so I connect my headset, put the volume on full and get a load of scratching sounds straight into my ears >.<11:55
qwerty12Yeah, If I can't get libvte4 to show colours properly, I may just cut my losses and move onto libvte9 (gnome-terminal here on ubuntu with libvte9 shows the colours properly)11:56
qwerty12I'm pretty sure it's a libvte4 fault somewhere, I've tried 2 methods of 256 colours patches and both make light black = dark black11:57
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sinakhello. Have anyone tried to turn the wireless mode of N800 to ad-hoc?12:20
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qwerty12pupnik: the vte guys are fucking laughing in my face, 29999999 compile and 9999 patches and guess what I see? " Add patch that makes bold black (color 8) dark gray instead of black."13:12
jottqwerty12: pupnik: my build of libvte works just fine under diablo
jottand has since ages :P13:12
qwerty12Is the black fixed?13:13
qwerty12Great, thanks13:13
qwerty12fuck me, i've been messing around with so much shit and it was a one liner fix >.<13:13
jottyeah i poked inz to backport it to the garage version.13:13
jottbut apparently nokia did use a completely different branch :(13:14
qwerty12Yeah, the garage version is much more superior to the shipped versions. I miss the reset and clear option from the menu :(13:14
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qwerty12But thank you very much for that :)13:15
jotti mean actually the garage version is supposed to be the version used on the devices as inz has his version on the maemo-hackers site..13:15
jottbut i could never live witout the bright black as i use it in many places ;) (prompt, irssi timestamp, etc)13:16
* qwerty12 could never live with just having a terminal environment13:17
jotthehe the youth... :P13:17
qwerty12I grew up using windows :P13:18
melmothAnybody having a destkopt or server running with a arm cpu ?13:19
qwerty12~kill nokia13:20
* infobot shoots a super-inverse photon gun at nokia13:20
pupnikjott, qwerty12 i tip my hat to you13:20
pupnikcan you guys get that stuff into main repo?13:21
qwerty12Heh, it's all jott's work13:21
* qwerty12 was blind and didn't notice it was fixed in trunk. When I did, jott already had it :P13:21
pupniki dunno who is maintainer for official osso-xterm13:21
pupniki'll buy you guys tasers or whatever you need13:21
qwerty12lol, I just get them off my friend who makes them out of disposable cameras :P13:22
jottpupnik: maybe we have a change to taser him at the summit :D13:23
qwerty12I still don't see the point of SSU if it isn't being utilised to deliver fixes like this :/13:23
jottwell the problem with ssu is, that it is released based and unlike debian/ubuntu that just pushes backported fixed when they are ready and tested.13:26
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jotti still wonder whom to blame for the fix not being in the release :/13:27
eichidoes the maemo skype works with webcam chat?13:27
eichiis there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat?13:27
qwerty12jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P13:28
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jotteichi: skype on maemo has no video support13:29
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jotti heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it.13:30
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eichiwhat is the default protocoll for webcam chat on maemo?13:30
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jottgizmo is the "default" video chat app.13:31
jotthm gizmo still did not manage to release an updated linux desktop client ..13:34
* sinak 1736kb/s downloading!!13:34
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qwerty12~lart gedit13:39
* infobot pours hot grits down the front of gedit's pants13:39
aquatixqwerty12: use geany13:39
qwerty12will try, ta13:40
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melmothI want to generate a large (20Mb) python pickle object on armel , because the one i generate on my desktop seems not to be "unpicke-azible" on the tablet.13:54
melmothThe pickelisation takes 300 second on my laptop... It is running for more than an hour on my tablet. It "does not work" on scrachbox13:55
melmothany idea of a faster workaround (ie somebody got an linux armel box ? :) )13:55
melmothcrap, it crashed with 'memory error'....14:01
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jottmelmoth: think of a better general solution to your problem?14:02
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melmothjott: i have none. pickling the data is the fastet way i found to access them.14:11
melmothLoading the data in memory takes 10 seconds, vs 300 compared to when generated on the fly.14:12
melmothMay be there is another way to dump memory representation than pickle ?14:12
Stskeepsusing cpickle?14:12
melmothi use cpickle14:12
Stskeepsmaybe you simply run out of memory? :P14:13
Stskeepsusing swap?14:13
tuukkahshouldn't pickling be independent of the architecture14:13
jotthm it seems pickling supprts different protocols, may choose a version >=114:15
melmothtuukkah: i am not sure, but i am sure i cannot load the pickled data on the tablet, it s complaining about an impossible float converstion.14:15
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tuukkahthen there's qemu for arm14:17
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Italodanceboswars can run on chinook?14:20
melmothtuukkah: hmmm. thats a good idea.14:21
Stskeepsmelmoth: there's always a possibility the python on armel has a floating point bug14:22
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eichiare there other ways then gizmo using video chat with maemo????14:24
qwerty12<eichi> does the maemo skype works with webcam chat?14:25
qwerty12<eichi> is there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat?14:25
qwerty12<qwerty12> jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P14:25
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qwerty12<jott> eichi: skype on maemo has no video support14:25
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qwerty12<jott> i heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it.14:25
qwerty12<jott> heared14:25
eichithere is no amsn for maemo...14:25
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qwerty12first result...14:26
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RST38bismoo, all14:29
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RST38biswell, now i can say it14:32
* qwerty12_N800 is really enjoying befr0d's emsene port 14:32
RST38bisintel has bought openedhand14:32
Stskeepsold news, came out yesterday14:32
Stskeepsor some other day14:33
qwerty12_N800RST38bis: msn msgr client14:33
RST38bisno icq though?14:34
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qwerty12_N800RST38bis: btw, how come icq is so popular in Russia? all the Russians i know have an icq :)14:37
trenkalots of OSS developers moved to jabber14:38
RST38bisicq is an israeli project started by a few russian emigrants14:38
* Stskeeps used to use icq until it went completely fucking bloated, and girls at school started using msn14:39
RST38bisalso, it was historically the first such project14:39
RST38bissts: pidgin.14:39
StskeepsRST38bis: i gave up on icq long ago, like, 3-5 years14:39
Stskeepsand gaim just generally upsets me14:39
RST38biswon't help about the girls of course14:39
* RST38bis prefers irc to any of these14:40
Stskeepshere too, but live messenger patched with no-ads and such isn't bad :P14:40
RST38bisirc is the only chat system done right14:40
RST38biswell, msn, icq, they all look the same through pidgin14:41
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yacoob3MB free on /14:49
RST38bistime to move your /14:50
yacoobrather time to move MyDocs away14:50
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RST38bisthat too14:53
yacoobit would be much better if I'd have noticed that mmc2 is vfat, not ext2...14:54
yacoobbefore I reflash it - how much space is free on / with a brand new shiny OS2008?14:56
qwerty12_N800yacoob: localepurge is nice on the tablets too14:58
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yacoobqwerty12_N800, :o don't tell me that people package their apps with full set of locales...?14:58
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qwerty12_N800yacoob: yes :/. i recovered ~25MB14:59
yacoobI was going to reflash it anyway15:00
yacoobright now I'm trying out fennec15:00
yacooband it's not that fast as they promise, hm.15:00
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yacoobbut it hogs CPU more than microb, so yes, it's "better".15:01
yacoobWhy there's no good webkit browser :(15:01
RST38bisbecause webkit kinda sucks, i guess...15:02
* RST38bis tried safari on a mac - ended up installing firefox15:03
yacoobwebkit itself, is very good browser engine15:08
yacoobcurrent webkit browsers - yeah, they do suck15:09
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qwerty12_N800yacoob: here's my latest localepurge: :>15:13
yacooblovely :>15:13
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RST38bis190k? :)15:15
qwerty12_N800in this case, it's more about quantity over size :>. they pile up over time into some large amounts :/15:16
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riotsay, is there a nice gui for gnokii or anything that one can use to operate a connected cellphone?15:23
* yacoob will test gpxviewer+maemo mapper for geocaching today.15:24
RST38bisok, time to wake up15:25
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riotphonelink? hmm, tried it, not very good, imho15:25
qwerty12_N800alas, it's the best we got :/15:26
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brontideok, explain this one.  I was on vacation for the last 2 weeks so excuse me if I missed somthing major.  For some reason Modest has stoped receiving updates, Application manager stoped getting updates, SIP+gtalk stoped working ( but link-local still works )15:31
brontideI barely used the unit over the last two weeks and only did development on one evening, but that was over a week ago15:32
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riothmm, i'm considering writing a GUI for gnokii.. Anybody interested? In helping?15:37
addocI'd help if I were able... I could do testing15:40
rioti'll do it in python, so its easy. Gonna read some gui-dev-doc first :)15:42
addocok - I'll be hanging on irq in the next days15:44
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addocI'm here since GeneralAntilles wrote that cool guys have to do irc15:44
liriqwerty12_N800: phonelink could have been so much better but the GUI is so awkward15:45
qwerty12_N800liri: true :/, at least it's in python so it's possible for lots of people to modify :)15:47
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: (MUSB)15:48
lcukdo i have to reformat mmc1 to get my virtual memory to work in diablo?15:48
lcukmmc2 i mean15:49
brontideBah, ssh is also not working.... it seems like the networking is fubar, but the unit can still browse the web15:49
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: interesting, so far our musb is broken in regards to rndis :/15:50
qwerty12_N800lcuk: shouldn't need to15:50
lcukbrontide, damn thing wont let me - i keep running out and thought i was simply using more than the 128real+128 virtual - but i forgot i reflashed15:50
lcukand its disabled and wont re-enable with any size15:51
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah, hence why i mentioned it15:51
lcukStskeeps, hows qt comin along15:52
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: :), i think it's also worth looking at the musb in 2.6.1815:52
riotis there by chance any debian repository for all the SDK stuff?15:52
qwerty12_N800lcuk: unmount mmc2 and run a fsck on it15:52
lcukunmounting manually forem hte console wont cause it to not be remounted when i bootup will it?15:53
qwerty12_N800lcuk: no15:53
Stskeepslcuk: if you're speaking of debconf and Kde, kde backend in debconf is broken, had to resort to apt-get'ing in libgnome2-perl15:53
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lcukcool ill give it a try then :)15:53
Stskeeps(requires keyboard since gtk under deblet doesnt have on screen keyboard from maemo..)15:54
Stskeepsso it has to be a n81015:54
lcukStskeeps, i know all about giving up the virtual keyboard - liqbase also doesnt support it15:55
Stskeepsi swear, why the heck didn't they just hack gtk with im's or something..15:55
lcuknot that you need it for most things, but it will come in handy sometimes15:55
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: bring back the ncurses during install! :p15:55
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: it's an option in installer15:55
Stskeepsthe explosion of apps on the applet would be huge if everything didn't have to be hildonized for sane usage15:55
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i have a n800 so it asks between GTK frontend and Dialog15:56
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: brilliant. can't  you install hildon-input-method under debian? for hildon-input-method to come up, the app needs to be gtk, not hildonised15:57
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: hmm15:57
* qwerty12_N800 does enough straight compiles to know :)15:57
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i'm already a bit picky due to libgnome2-perl pulling in 180mb worth, but i'll see ..15:58
qwerty12_N800ouch :/15:58
Stskeepsadmittedly this is X libraries and gtk/gnome libs, but..15:58
brontideok... dhcp gets an address, but nothing else seems able to use the network.  ping as root even fails to see the network15:59
lcukStskeeps, i tihnk the biggest drawback to apps is the apparant slowness of certain standard operations, obviously it can be cured with tlc to the app in question, but ive heard plenty of people pulling hair out to try to get things running smoothly16:01
lcukbrontide, i had this with my adhoc after i added a laptop, turn everything off (router included) and bring it all back up (we had a nice powercut to assist here) and it all worked after that16:02
brontiderebooting the device didn't work16:03
lcukwhat abotu the device at the other end of the connection..16:04
brontidehappily serving other wireless clients ( including this one ) as well as several hardwired things16:04
lcukheh - i dunno but mine was similar - it just refused to finish sorting out the laptop till everything had been off16:05
brontideand this started while I was away ( totally different wifi setup )16:05
lcukit worked happily with desktop and 81016:05
lcukoooer then you bolloxed it up :D16:05
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brontideI'm facing the prospect of loosing a good days worth of work on DialCentral fka Grandcentral Dialer16:06
qwerty12_N800can't you back it up elsewhere?16:07
brontideI have a recent copy on the laptop ( in the shop ) but I'm not sure how much tweaking I did on device16:07
brontidein prep for making a deb16:08
brontideHmmm worst case I can manually copy file at the terminal to the card before I reflash16:08
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lcukbrontide, thanks for the tip - ill just backup liqbase now ;)16:09
lcukqwerty12_N800 unmounting fscking remounting (and rebooting) didnt help, itsn ot readonly and it lets me write files manually, it has 800mb free, and it still wont let me make virtual on it16:11
qwerty12_N800lcuk: that's really odd. is there already a .swap file on it?16:11
lcukdoes ls list things like that by default16:12
qwerty12_N800brontide: dump your entire flash with mtd-tools16:12
brontidedisabling VM appears to have fixed it16:12
qwerty12_N800lcuk: no, use ls -a16:12
lcukthanks, but no theres no swap16:12
lcukahhh brontide looks like we are cross solving problems ;)16:12
brontidedoes that mean my internal flash is bolloxed?16:12
lcuksince you are disabling vm, can i have yours16:12
riotis it possible to customize the communication-button-menu on hildon?16:13
qwerty12_N800lcuk: out of question, did fsck actually report any errors?16:13
lcuksaid total logical clusters 99960216:13
lcukthen counted loads16:13
qwerty12_N800ah, by default fsck doesn't fix errors even if it says there is :/16:13
lcukchecked clusters: 60851816:14
lcuk/dev/mmcblk0p1: 2736 files, 608518/999603 clusters16:14
lcukthen said that ^16:14
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brontideyep, with VM stopped all networking works again, just ssh'ed in16:14
lcukthe 999602 was meant to be 99960316:14
brontideno other changes16:14
qwerty12_N800lcuk: does "cat /proc/swaps" say anything?16:14
qwerty12_N800mine is : "/media/mmc2/.swap                       file            131040  78596   -6"16:15
brontideI suppose I should try turning it back on and seeing if it happens again?16:15
lcukyes! it displays the list headers but theres no entries16:15
brontideMaybe wait till I've finished up the deb for DialCentral16:15
qwerty12_N800lcuk: give me a minute16:16
qwerty12_N800lcuk: run this: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1024 count=128000"16:17
lcukwhoa! whats that do?16:17
qwerty12_N800(it makes an empty 128mb files on the internal mmc)16:17
lcukahh ok :)16:18
lcukas root or normal user?16:18
qwerty12_N800normal user should do it16:18
lcuki can change parms if needed anyway cant i16:19
qwerty12_N800when it's lemme know please16:20
lcukw000t its tellin me its resizing it now16:20
lcukdd finished, i went into the gui and its getting further than it did :D16:20
qwerty12_N800hehe I hope it works, i was about to go into more command lines :p16:21
lcuknahhh, i wonder why it couldnt create a file thou16:21
lcuknot that i care, i ran out of memory last night just by loading all my sketches16:22
lcuk"Virtual memory resized" :D16:23
lcukthanks qwerty12_N800 your genius knows no bounds16:23
qwerty12_N800:) (i'm not modest, muhahaha :p)16:24
qwerty12_N800cat /proc/swaps should now list your new swapfile if you wish to verify16:25
lcuki can get on with liqbase now :) I replaced the entire menu system yesterday with blended bitmaps - it looks very shiny now16:26
lcukits working16:26
lcukor at least the gui is tellin me it is there16:26
qwerty12_N800ooh nice :)16:26
qwerty12_N800*grin* /me can't wait to see the new version16:26
qwerty12_N800are you presenting it at the summit?16:27
lcukyer, in about a week ive gotta stop with the features and cull everything and prepare for a package16:27
lcukyes :)16:27
lcukit works from my laptop now (to a degree)16:27
lcukbut i think im gonna leave the network control off it - i dont want home server swamped and ive not got enough time to purchase and configure a proper internet server16:28
qwerty12_N800cool, can't wait to see the vid :p. and then me and crashanddie and go into a mock northern accent :p16:28
lcuki think im gonna have to use scrachbox for packaging it up as well16:29
brontiderebooted fsck'ed rebooted reenabled swap and things appear back to normal...  weirdness.   The only thing I can think of is the unit did have an unclean shutdown at one point over vacation16:29
qwerty12_N800lcuk: get a cable router :p. my sister got a d-link one for about £30 (and this was a long time ago) and it worked more reliable than our phoneline one16:29
lcukqwerty12_N800, yer a decent linux router should handle lots of connections, but i dont have time to configure it and write software as i want16:30
* lcuk is taking a course in queens english by the way16:31
* lcuk wont be northern by the summit16:31
qwerty12_N800lcuk: if you have a lot of time, you should set up sbrsh. it's basically the perfect mix of what you want, everything done in scratchbox but actuall binaries compiled on-device transparently16:31
qwerty12_N800lcuk: oh no, now i can't laugh :p (i'm only joking when I  do :))16:32
lcuki am trying to work out exactly what i want the compiler to do16:32
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lcuki would really like to make an actual source editor in liqbase and use gcc directly from the device16:33
lcukbut that involves a lot of other stuff and dynamic loading of modules etc16:33
lcukwhich i just cant be arsed with right now16:33
* qwerty12_N800 has an odd idea of compiling the kernel from the device, after i set up the clone to sd :>16:34
lcukmake sure you are in perfomance mode16:35
melmothhow long does it take to compile a kernel on the deveice itself ?16:35
johnxI think it would depend on how many drivers you want to compile with it...16:35
johnxthat's why it takes so long on x8616:35
lcukmelmoth, c compilation isnt that slow for small things16:35
lcukbut i guess its memory buffering problems once you ramp up16:36
johnxif you want support for every usb->ethernet adapter in the world I could see it taking some time...16:36
qwerty12_N800yeah, it's really annoying, because i like to listen to music, the cpu gets forced at 330 mhz so i have to kerp echoing to set it back to 400 :/16:36
qwerty12_N800johnx: me me16:36
johnxqwerty12_N800, then compile in sb :P16:36
lcukis it possible to translate original 68k directly to arm16:37
johnxhmm? like assembly or machine code?16:38
lcukbinary file16:38
lcukof course the int handlers and custom chip mods would have to be filtered and redirectly16:38
johnxare we talking about linux binaries then?16:39
lcukcall it a perverse thought16:39
lcukno i was thinking amiga16:39
johnxthen I would say ... probably not easily16:40
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lcuki just see how similar on the surface thumb assembly is to original 68k and it makes me smile16:40
johnxisn't that like "dynamic recompilation"?16:41
johnxI thought there was a PSX emulator that did that to some extent on x8616:42
lcukprobably is16:43
johnxhmmm...I wonder how the garnet VM guys are getting such great performance :)16:43
jottlcuk: there is the cyclone core thingy.16:43
jottnot really dynamic recompilation afair but quite fast16:44
* jott googles16:44
lcukhi jott - which systems does it emulat?16:44
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jottjust the 68000 processor16:44
jottit's integrated into one uae port16:45
qwerty12_N800ooh, he has picodrive for uiq3, something i can actually use my p1 for :)16:45
lcukcool, ill have a big read when i get more time16:46
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* lcuk is really glad he was born when computers were around16:46
lcukjott - if you had been born a couple of hundred years ago, what job would you have - what would you be spending your time hacking away at16:47
* qwerty12_N800 is really glad he grew up using a modern pc :p16:47
johnx100 years ago? I'd probably have fun hacking on early car engines16:48
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jottlcuk: probably pure math :)16:48
johnxdriving without a license FTW!16:48
lcukqwerty12_N800, you missed out on the best computers - intel x86 is a monolithic mess, and many other devices could have beat it on all fronts on a technical battle - but there again the "best" solution doesnt always win16:48
lcukjott :) heh16:48
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johnxqwerty12_N800, I know what you mean. The thought of barely being able to fit a book on all the storage I could afford would feel rather limiting I think...16:49
lcukjohnx, 100 years ago you would have needed tonnes of money to do that16:49
johnxlcuk, fixing *other* people's cars :)16:49
lcukahhh so you would live near mr daimlers house16:49
johnxlcuk, model T was 190816:50
johnxI think I'd be busy enough :)16:50
lcukwhere did mechanics learn to do that sucking in wind through teeth thing16:50
qwerty12_N800lcuk: The only thing I would have liked is to mess around with old computers to pick up asm and things like that16:50
qwerty12_N800johnx: yeah :/16:50
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lcukdo you think blacksmiths use to do it when you took your horse for a new shoe16:50
riotsleek, my new notebook-bag has a n810-sized extra compartment :D16:51
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lcukriot, thats illegal at some airports now - you have to be able to unfol;d your laptop completely and show it with nothing above/below the laptop16:51
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lcukextra tech will make them strip search you16:52
johnxheh...and yet they still let you get on a plane with a 9-cell li-ion battery...16:52
lcuki hated standing in the airport with a spike from a broken pen digging out the flammable material from my zippo lighter and throwing it in the bin16:53
Stskeepsmy worst(?) airport experience was after putting my laptop through the scanner, it gave me a quite astonishing static electric shock16:54
lcukdid you jump and scare the security doods?16:54
riotlcuk: yeah, i know, but i have to unpack it anyway everytime.. so thats not really an issue.16:54
Stskeepsthey didn't take really16:54
Stskeepsthey were dutch16:54
riotjohnx: i always say: perfect bomb! Just a stupid sony-battery..16:55
lcukriot, as long as you know - its if you forget they get shirty16:55
lcukwith my laptop am i allowed to leave it in my main luggage?16:55
riotlcuk: yeah. Once i was allowed (they didn't notice and i forgot) to take my leatherman onboard.. hah.16:55
lcukor should i just carry it through16:55
lcukjott, if i dont get my laptop to germany could i install liqbase on yours for my presentation16:56
riotlcuk: i wouldn't put it in the main luggage... sometimes they handly it very roughly.. so all my sensitive equipment stays with me.. also i wouldn't want it to get lost (my main luggage got lost once... not again.)16:56
lcukriot, i just dont have a laptop bag yet, i suppose i should just buy one16:57
riotlcuk: german authorities are not _that_ crazy yet, i think..16:57
jottlcuk: i don't have a laptop atm...16:57
lcukplus its a really crappy old one16:57
riotlcuk: i always take my Cam/Notebook bagpack with me on airplane travels16:57
jottlcuk: but this should not be an issue i guess..16:57
lcukits got a broken screen16:57
johnxheh...the best airport experience I had: bought 2 snowglobes inside the gates at one airport, got on the plane, and then while transferring at the next airport the nicer snowglobe got confiscated :/16:57
lcukits gonna be fine thou for presenting16:57
lcukjohnx, this wasnt france was it16:58
johnxlcuk, the states...16:58
lcukjust slightly worse16:58
johnxsecurity theater is aaaawesome16:58
johnxI just wish I could watch and not be an actor...16:58
lcukat least i have my 810 to make life simpler16:59
lcukim taking a box of matches on my carry on this time :)16:59
melmothis france famous for snowglobe confiscation frenzy ?16:59
lcukno, they were much more tough on normal items16:59
jottmy funniest airport experience was some time ago. some guy went trough the metal detector thingy without anything registered. then i went trough and it beeped and made noises but they just stopped and searched the guy before me :p16:59
lcuki had had my zippo with me all the way there and it was only on the return journey that i had to take it apart17:00
lcukthe best part about travelling is always landing back on home soil :)17:01
lcukthe worst part is leaving your destination17:01
jottlcuk: do you fall on the ground and kiss it like the pope?! :D17:01
lcuknot quite jott, but in my sketches ive got notes from as i came through the airport - i was really sad to leave but very relieved to be home17:02
jotthehe you should add a mood slider to liqbase :)17:02
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lcukive got ideas for a homepage :)17:02
lcukinfact, i best get on - one of the more radical ideas is very close to coming to life17:03
* lcuk has an "ed" button on every menu item in liqbase17:03
lcuk"ed" takes you to the sketch editor to custom design the menu button17:04
johnxhot sauce :)17:04
jottoh i just thought you meant a pron viewer mode :P17:04
lcuk\@ qwerty12_N800 grrrrr17:05
Stskeepsjott: snowballs are excellent for knocking down people though17:05
Stskeepser, johnx17:05
qwerty12_N800lcuk: lol, what? :p17:05
lcuki just up arrowed/returned in console and tried to dd my swap again17:05
lcukthats always ./mkrun.sh17:05
johnxStskeeps, hmm?17:06
lcukwhich very nicely colors the output of make.  it makes warnings yellow, and errors red17:06
lcukits very nice17:06
Stskeepsjohnx: snowglobes are actually quite firm and heavy glass :P i'm sure someone banging you on the head with one isn't going to be a nice experience :P17:06
johnxStskeeps, right...but they let people sell them inside the gates...17:07
Stskeepsyeah, which is stupid :P17:07
brontideKhertan: you around? does this look sane?
johnxStskeeps, anyways, the explanation offered was not "you could hit someone with it" but "that might be a liquid bomb"17:07
Stskeepsthe poor security people obviously don't think like psychos :P17:08
lcukincase people wanna see:  make  2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn    \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR   \e[0m/'17:08
johnxStskeeps, nah, they just do what they're told: put on a show for the easily impressed17:08
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* jott hands lcuk a colorgcc and adds a cmake :p17:10
lcukjott, that involves replacing binaries and stuff, this works on every machine i have tried it on17:10
jottin fact it does something similar..17:11
lcukbut stands in the way of gcc from what i read17:12
Stskeepsis { 'Actual text question asked' : choice, 'Another question asked' : choice2 } a shitty preset conf format? example, { 'Which Deblet environment would you like to install?' : 'nit-env-gnome-basic', 'Where would you like to install Deblet to?' : 0 # deblet-in-a-file }?17:12
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riothow long is sb-menu expected to run at first usage?? I've a quad core and its eating the cpu for over a minute now17:23
riotaah, strace tells me, its stuck17:26
riotwonderful. Apparently it dislikes my urxvt-terminal17:26
riotniiiice. Xterm works flawlessly. Under urxvt it didn't even output an error. BUG!!!17:26
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lcukoh shit, the camera is broked17:43
johnxlcuk, it freaked out? have you rebooted yet?17:43
lcukno, my main actual camera17:43
johnxeep O_o17:44
lcukits making some god awful noises from the lens as it powers up17:44
johnxdid you get sand in it or something?17:44
lcukno, but youngest found it the other day17:44
lcuki wanted to show you what ive been doin with the menu17:46
brontideanyone have a few moments to help my push a package to extras-devel?17:47
brontideI have a .dsc, changes and tar.gz all built with py2deb and signed17:47
lcukbrontide, sorry i cant help ive never sent a package anywhere17:50
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qwerty12_N800brontide: I've only done it once using sbox and web assistant  :/17:51
jottand i never used py2deb :O17:52
jottwhat's the actual problem? :)17:52
brontideno problem, just don't know what to do next17:52
infobotfrom memory, extras-uploading is
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riotwoo, yay. I has a running diablo-sdk on my xephyr.17:56
brontidewhy can't I scp out of the device, keep gettign /usr/bin/ssh: No such file or directory17:56
jottbrontide: install ssh?! :)17:57
brontideduh, I must have only installed openssh-server17:57
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lcukjott, this menu is amazing18:02
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lcuki thought it was good before, but it looks really nice and it has a great wipe transition effect now18:03
jottshowshowshow :)18:03
lcukscrollback, my camera is bust18:03
brontide(&*^*^*(*(*Y*&^!(@*# apt-get is all screwed up... keeps barfing on osso-software-version\* stuff18:03
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jottlcuk: just mail the source or binary ;)18:04
Jaffalcuk: or another video or photo ;-)18:04
jottbrontide: osso-software-version.* is screwed up :/18:05
brontidewell I can't install openssh-client until it's fixed18:05
lcuklemme see what i can do, but lots of things are starting to come together18:05
riothow do i install the default apps in the sdk? like browser et al18:05
jottbrontide: install the -unlocked package?18:05
brontideI have the unlocked18:05
lcuki rebuilt the menus using the ui tiles ive been working towards18:05
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lcukcamera works18:14
lcukand ive took a movie18:14
lcukit was the rechargables18:15
lcukthey have finally died18:15
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qwerty12RST38h: Could you please remove bad checksum check from VGB? :/18:21
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RST38hqwerty: Nope18:23
RST38hUse gblist18:24
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qwerty12ok, ta :).i have an ips patched pokemon rom that would be nice to play :)18:25
riot:( i have no repositories in my sdk.. normal? Not even a browser :((18:25
riotand adding repositories via the application manager yields no results either18:25
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johnxriot, that's normal. a lot of those apps are closed source and are only available in the image you flash a tablet with18:26
napsy_Hello. I'm trying to set up my host linux mashine in order to detect the nokia device as a network device. The problem is I don't know how to get to the terminal on the device. Please help.18:26
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riotjohnx: even the browser??18:27
johnxriot, the browser UI is closed18:27
johnxthe browser core is open18:27
riotbut even the added maemo-extras repository doesn't show up.18:28
johnxriot, if you run apt-cache search some-package-in-extras it doesn't show up?18:28
johnxnapsy_, what tablet do you have and what OS version is on it?18:28
napsy_johnx, nokia n800 with OS200818:29
riotjohnx: yes, there's lots of stuff18:29
johnxriot, I'm not understanding the problem...18:30
napsy_the manual says I should get root access on the device terminal18:30
napsy_but don't know how to get to the terminal18:30
johnxnapsy_, menu -> utilities -> x terminal18:30
napsy_hmm damn ... how did i miss that18:31
napsy_johnx, tnx18:31
johnxto get root access you should get rootsh from here:
riotjohnx: hmm. Well this is not a real problem - i was just wondering why nothing appears in the application manager18:31
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johnxaaah...hmm, the app manager is strange even on real devices18:31
johnxmaybe it's looking for a weird dist name?18:32
johnxjust using apt-get should be fine18:32
riotok. The menus don't really get upgraded either? Because i just installed gpe-calendar to test it, it doesn't appear (and it doesn't run either, has some probles with the d-bus library)18:32
johnxhow did you run it?18:33
riotin the sdk-shell18:33
johnxwhat was the exact command?18:33
johnxtry gpe-calendar18:34
riotaah ok18:34
* lcuk gets impatient with youtube18:34
lcukjott, regarding the blending of images using their alpha channels - that will have to wait: loading png files kept failing and im not going back to it till after18:35
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lcukwhy on earth doesnt youtube upload have a progress18:38
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napsy_Hm when I'm root in the terminal and try to execute insmod, terminal says insmod was not found. Any ideas?18:41
johnxnapsy_, try /sbin/insmod18:41
napsy_it worked thnaks18:42
johnxhmm...your PATH must not be set right. what command did you use to get root access?18:43
napsy_is there a way to go up in the terminal18:43
GAN8001dpad. . . .18:43
johnxnapsy_, press up :)18:43
napsy_to the previous command18:43
napsy_hmm I don't have any Up key18:44
GAN8001dpad. . . .18:44
johnxon the left side of the device is a 4-way directional pad. hit up on that "d-pad"18:44
lcukhow long does youtube processing normally take?18:44
lcukits finished uploading now18:45
GAN8001lcuk, depends on your connection18:45
napsy_oh lol :)18:45
napsy_forgot about that18:45
lcukGAN800, its on their server, it tells me its not finished processing yet thou18:45
napsy_johnx, yes my PATH is not set ... I used 'rootsh' to get to root18:46
johnxnapsy_, try sudo gainroot or root18:47
johnxi think they do the same thing18:47
qwerty12na, root is better than sudo gainroot18:47
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qwerty12(root correctly sources the environment)18:47
lcukits live >>
qwerty12ooh nice menu18:48
qwerty12transitions are nice too18:48
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lcuktransitions are great :D18:49
johnxyou managed to cope with the ondemand scheduler?18:51
lcukno, either cos im doing more its not dropping, or nokia have tweaked it slightly18:52
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lcukit feels different and its rarer i notice im in ondemand18:52
lcukjaffa, jott, youtube vis is there18:53
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Jaffalcuk: ta18:56
Jaffalcuk: looks good18:57
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* Jaffa decides to have a poke around inside the Java class files making up Navicore18:57
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* lcuk gets on with the rest now19:00
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napsy__Hello. I can connect to the nokia device from my host system but when I try to ssh into it no password works. Even if I manually set the root password. Any ideas?19:22
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JaffaFrom the look of it, the Java's only used for the navigation features; with the Map app itself being ObjectiveC.19:28
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Italodancewow i finished quake 2 by my n800 now19:38
Italodancegreat game19:38
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riotmhmm. mounting the external card via sshfs is a nice thing. It achieves only 1 mb/sec though via wireless.20:07
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* sinak kserei kaneis ti wra einai o agwnas?21:06
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zapAny members of the 'kernels' garage project here?22:35
lcukzap, i dont think anyones here22:39
GAN8001I'm a member22:41
GAN8001But not really doing anything at the moment.22:41
zapyep, nobody's doing :)22:41
zapI'm going to do some work on it22:41
GAN8001Yeah, there's no activity yet22:41
GAN8001fanoush and trickie are really busy.22:41
zapI'm thinking about kernel packaging. Any ideas about it?22:41
GAN8001I bet you could harass qwerty12 into doing something, though.22:41
GAN8001qwerty12 is the man for that.22:42
zapqwerty12_N800: <beep>22:42
GAN8001Basically you just need to install the kernel image and call fiasco-flasher in postinst22:42
* qwerty12_N800 is not here, please leave your message after the tone22:42
zapI'm thinking about different branches of the community kernels22:43
qwerty12_N800I'll start working when someone else does :p. so far, i'm testing preempt kernel :)22:43
yacoobplease leave your tone, after the message22:43
zapqwerty12_N800: good, I'll kick the project going22:43
lcuk"please leave your credit card details after the tone"22:44
qwerty12_N800zap: cool :)22:44
zapplease leave22:44
zapWhat should be the versioning scheme22:44
zapand whether the kernel modules packages will be compatible with different kernel branches22:44
qwerty12_N800lcuk: please tell me over the phone, the contents of your latest liqbase binary base64 encoded... :p22:45
lcuki'm sorry, i can only supply it encoded in northern22:45
qwerty12_N800oh noez22:45
lcukim glad i finally replaced the menu - its a total drop in replacement but built with the ui components and stuff ive been working on22:46
qwerty12_N800zap: for modules, i think separate modules for each kernel would be best. i currently keep the version tricked on the preempt kernel to load modules that don't have preempt tag in version22:46
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qwerty12_N800for example22:47
zapright now kernel isn't packaged at all, right?22:47
jottzap: i still think the sanest solution would be to have a osso-software-version-community like meta package and then different kernel versions that "provide" the right kernel.22:47
lcukthese kernel module changes, are people going to have to choose the kernel with closest features to what they want, but may not be able to get all the features available?22:48
lcukor is it going to be one "community kernel"22:48
zapI'm not sure yet, I just want to make sure several kernels will play together nicely22:48
zapMy idea is to have a kernel with all features22:48
qwerty12_N800lcuk: patches will be available, you can always compile your own ;)22:48
zapif that is possible and all features are stable22:48
qwerty12_N800zap: +22:48
lcukzap - i would prefer the single one - it makes it easy for users to understand22:49
zapbut anyways I want to make it possible to roll easily your own kernel22:49
zapme too22:49
zapUbuntu has a special metapackage - linux-image-generic22:49
lcukrolling your own is download and select options to build as required is it not22:49
jottzap: the current kernel is in "kernel-diablo-flasher"22:49
zapit depends on the package linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic22:50
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lcukjott, did you see the new youtube22:50
jottlcuk: not yet i guess22:50
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zapah, flasher22:50
qwerty12_N800I would only suggest separate kernel when 2 or more *useful* features conflict but the features are popular with people22:50
zapI had the impression kernel-diablo-flasher is the flashing tool :)22:50
zapwell, for example qwerty12 is playing with latest-and-greatest kernel22:51
jottzap: it also contains the kernel image.. :/22:51
zapit should be possible to install that too, but this is pretty experimental22:51
jottnot really intuitive naming :)22:51
zapindeed :)22:51
zapso we have at least two kernels already22:51
zap2.6.21-200829maemo1 %-\22:51
zapimho community kernels should use some different versioning scheme22:52
zapright now kernel itself is 2.6.21-omap122:52
zapand package is versioned differently, this sucks22:53
jottlcuk: lol @ "the original thing is still here" :)22:53
lcukits got a complete reworking from the ground up :)22:54
jottzap: and unfortunately it will break osso-softare-versions if we don't leave the original kernel-diablo-flasher in place..22:54
qwerty12_N800zap: I have a problem with the slowness of nokia releasing kernel sources22:54
zapjott: I think we will leave it in place22:54
zapqwerty12_N800: you mean wifi?22:54
jottlcuk: but looks nice otherwise.22:55
qwerty12_N800zap: no, nokia still haven't updated kernel-source-diablo to 29, it's still 24. what happens if nokia fix serious bug but we are still waiting for code of fix?22:56
jottis 24 really different to 29? :)22:56
GAN800jott, it's not.22:56
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qwerty12_N800jott: I think it's the same but saying that, they haven't updated source to other things like modest22:57
GAN800m-vo said as much. It's a package update.22:57
brontideok... how long does it take for autobuilder to do it's thing?22:57
GAN8005 minutes or so22:57
jottbrontide: usually ranges from 1 min to 20 min.22:57
GAN800Where the hell are the server upgrades? :/22:58
zapat least if I compile modules for kernel-source-diablo 2.6.21-200823maemo6 they work fine on the tablet22:58
jottfor everything longer you should start to get concerned :)22:58
zapWhere's the ITOS2008 server edition?22:59
GAN800On the N800's running maemo.org23:00 is runnin it23:00
brontidepackages can't have capitals?23:00
qwerty12_N800brontide: read debian package policy :)23:01
zapthey can has a cheezburger23:01
qwerty12_N800i gives them coke23:01
* yacoob wants proper smb support in next version of maemo23:01
* brontide has only ever done RPM stuff.... 23:01
zapsmb is not very good when the connection breaks23:02
zapit can hang your stuff for long periods of time23:02
RST38hscrew smb23:02
RST38hupnp media server is enough23:02
yacoobno, it isn't :)23:02
* qwerty12_N800 only uses smb, all other computers in the house are windows 23:03
* RST38h explicitely disables all smb services on each windows machine in the house23:03
RST38h[using ftp and ssh instead]23:03
yacoobthat's very... convenient.23:04
lcukyacoob, thats very... diplomatic.23:04
zapssh to windoz? exotic.23:05
lcuki do it23:05
qwerty12_N800yacoob: if you want to use passworded smb shares etc, command line it is23:05
RST38hnaah, windows ones run ftp23:05
* zap doznt run windoz23:05
yacooblcuk, I'm interested in reasoning behind this :)23:05
lcuki use winscp23:05
RST38hand the whole thing is behind a router so yacoob's evil plan to hack it is kinda useless23:05
jott(open)sshd runs fine under windows.23:05
qwerty12_N800i have an ssh server in windows and linux23:05
zapjott: it runs, but you can't do much23:06
RST38hzap: Just need scp really23:06
jottzap: sftp atleast :)23:06
zapyou can't even launch far23:06
RST38hwell, far is console based23:06
jottand with cygwin a bit more.23:06
yacoobRST38h, :o23:06
jottmc runs :)23:06
qwerty12_N800best far plugin is sefp :>23:06
zapfar is, but windows doesn't really have a console23:06
RST38hmc will run23:06
RST38hwhen I say "far is console based" I mean WIndoze console API rather than stdin/stdout23:07
zapmc will run away23:07
zapI ported once long ago openssh to OS/223:07
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zapit used to work with all console apps23:07
RST38hhow did you forward the api calls?23:08
zapscanned the screen, make a diff, convert to ansi seq23:08
zapexotic stuff23:08
zapthe client was better though :) wrote a complete vt100 implementation for it23:09
zapconsole based, not like putty does23:09
* RST38h has got an NXC2600 devkit23:11
RST38hReally cool little device23:11
* qwerty12_N800 wishes winscp worked in linux w/out wine :/. atm, i'm using gnome vfs's sftp support in nautilus23:11
RST38hRuns Linux+X11+XFCE, GTK installed23:11
brontideWhohoo... py2deb + scp = success23:11
RST38hqwerty: I am sure there is a fitting native replacement =)23:11
jottyuck winscp :/23:12
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* jott prepares the plastic gloves.23:12
zapqwerty12_N800: gFTP?23:12
* zap uses mc23:12
zapand lftp23:12
qwerty12_N800zap: ah, i have that installed as well, thanks :)23:13
RST38hdamn keyboard pops up all the time23:13
qwerty12_N800RST38h: wait a sec23:13
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jotthuh? i disabled all keyboard stuff..23:13
zapdisable finger keyboard23:13
jottnever bothers me.23:13
* zap too23:13
RST38hyes, but I need it in other apps! =)23:13
jotthmm.. where whould you need it?! :D23:13
zapdisable just the finger keyboard23:13
RST38h[and I mean pen keyboard, finger keyboard I am unable to invoke anyway]23:14
zapnot the screen keyboard23:14
* qwerty12_N800 just does gconftool-2 --set -t bool /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached true on n800 :)23:14
RST38hscreen keyboard always pops up23:14
RST38hcan't disable it - need it elsewhere23:14
zapdoes it happen in a plain xterm?23:14
RST38hqwerty: Hey, this can be made into a little sh scrip ;)23:14
RST38hzap: osso-xterm23:14
zapyes, in it?23:14
zapsad, looks likt xterm invokes it then23:15
qwerty12_N800RST38h: already have done ;)
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zaprst38 has a n810, not 80023:16
zapso keyboard-attached is true anyway23:16
brontidemore stuipd questions.  Now that the package is built, how long till the .install file shows up in extra-devel for testing?23:16
qwerty12_N800zap: it wasn't for me in n810 emulator23:16
RST38hbrontide: monday midday23:17
qwerty12_N800brontide: either way, a long time23:17
RST38hwait, you are building from sources... mmm, maybe you will get it earlier23:17
zaphmm, indeed false23:17
GAN800No .install from source.23:17
GAN800The system isn't setup for it.23:18
RST38hGAN: No, I mean he is using autobuilder23:18
GAN800There's a mail on -developers about it.23:18
qwerty12_N800zap: it's for external keyboards afaik23:18
RST38hGAN: And AFAIK with autobuilder the package gets promoted automatically23:18
brontideIn the meantime I should just test with the .deb directly?23:18
GAN800Right, no .install from the autobuilder.23:18
RST38hGAN: When submitting binaries, somebody from Nokia has to press the button to promote it23:18
GAN800The autobuilder submission chain does not include .install generation.23:19
GAN800Nobody seemed to care when X-Fade brought it up on the list.23:19
brontideso all the .install files in extras-devel are put there manually?23:19
GAN800We should probably talk to hi. when he gets back.23:19
GAN800brontide, or from non-free.23:20
RST38hBut, gentlemen...23:20
GAN800Since non-free uses the old submission chain.23:20
RST38hAny of you can just create an .install file and place it online23:20
RST38hThis is what I have done: all my .installs are at
GAN800Right, it's not a difficult thing to decode.23:20
qwerty12_N800the maemo apps catalogue will happily host it too23:21
RST38h*or* you can create one right inside the product page23:21
GAN800or just forget the .install entirely23:21
GAN800Go through Application manager.23:21
GAN800If you're just testing.23:21
GAN800.installs are just convenience makers for noobs.23:21
brontideI was hoping to sucker a few noobs for testing ;-)23:22
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qwerty12_N800brontide: you called?23:22
brontidetesting... sure, if you have a Grandcentral account23:23
qwerty12_N800brontide: heh, don't think i can get one anyway23:23
GAN800zap, google: define noob23:24
zapI know whats a noob, I'm wondering if qwerty12 qualifies as one23:25
GAN800Oh, well, of course. :P23:26
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GAN800qwerty12_N800, get yourself a Beagle so I can leach off your hacking.23:27
jottGAN800: have you done anything useful with it yet?23:28
qwerty12_N008GAN800: Heh, my ass is broke :P23:28
GAN800jott, still need the serial adaptor23:28
GAN800I can't do anything without it, apparently. :/23:28
jotthuh. can't be that hard :/23:28
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GAN800Broke out a nullmodem cable to shrink wrap onto the pins but decided against that/23:28
GAN800No, I just have to get something23:29
Stskeepsis maemo-select-menu-location the only way to wedge something into the applications menu?23:29
GAN800There's, like, a half dozen places/people I could get one from for free, but not until tomorrow.23:29
Stskeeps(i'm interested in a solution where it -doesn't- ask where it should put it..)23:30
qwerty12_N008GAN800: I recommend gta with the florida gangstas23:30
jottGAN800: isn't that something you would find when you dig trough your old spare part boxes? .)23:30
qwerty12_N008Stskeeps: maemo-select-menu-location takes a 3rd argument to explicitly specify which category to put the desktop file in23:31
Stskeepsqwerty12_N008: does it still pop up the dialog box to ask where to put it anyway?23:31
jottStskeeps: it's part of h-a-m so just grab the source and patch it to your needs :)23:32
qwerty12_N008Stskeeps: Good point, i think it does. apt-get the hildon app manager source and iirc the code's in there23:32
GAN800jott, you would assume, and I KNOW I had some, but they must've gone away at some point. :(23:32
* Stskeeps was planning on mass converting debian xdg menus to maemo application manager..23:33
Stskeepssame format, minimal changes needed23:33
jottyeah i would just patch the tool then.23:33
jottshould be fairly easy.23:33
jottGAN800: and the bootloader does not support usb?23:34
GAN800There's a giant computer graveyard at my old job, I'll go steal one from there tomorrow.23:34
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GAN800jott, it does, but you have to tell it to use whatever23:34
RST38hGrave desecrator!23:34
GAN800Which requires serial console.23:34
qwerty12_N008interesting decision :/23:35
GAN800Meh, it'll be easier eventually23:35
GAN800But for now.23:35
qwerty12_N008If you know anyone with hacked cable, get a serial cable off them now or threaten to reveallytheir secret :p23:36
GAN800The wiki documentation for the beagle is a little weak.23:40
jotthave you tried this?
jotti bet you'll get hints in #beagle too :)23:42
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GAN800jott, haven't so far. :P23:44
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jottGAN800: you could start to plan the 770 omap3 mod meanwhile ;)23:44
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GAN800Hooking up the lcd is gonna be trouble.23:44
jottyeah you probably need some extra chip - otoh the epson hardware is documented ;)23:45
GAN800I could probably tie into the OMAP controller before it hits the DVI chip.23:46
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GAN800But, uh, that really sounds like way too much goddamn work for a lazy bastard like me. ;)23:46
jotthey but keep the rewarding result in mind ,>23:47
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RST38h"And it doesn't matter how much you are prepared to spend; you can't buy your way out of the 'compact camera problem' - a small, noisy sensor is a small noisy sensor no matter what kind of tank you build around it or how many 'professional' features you build into the body."23:48
GAN800Well, until the tech gets morezbadass.23:49
RST38hThey have hit the wall, with respect to laws of physics23:49
t_s_oand then it gets so across the board23:49
lcukGAN800, there is a limit - you need to add more light to get smaller sensors working properly23:49
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RST38hFuji is the only one successfully jumping up the wall, but it is cheating23:49
GAN800Magic lenses.23:50
RST38hno, magic sensor ;)23:50
GAN800No, I mean for breaching the wall.23:50
t_s_oi would say that noise is only a issue when your printing out A4 or larger images...23:50
jotthehe look at the price :)23:50
RST38ht_s_o: Depends on how much noise and what kind of detail you are printing23:51
* RST38h often zooms & crops23:51
GAN800I wish I could get a decent 7" dvi touchscreen for a reasonable price.23:51
qwerty12_N008jott: lol, too expensive23:51
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RST38hjjott: that is normal23:51
t_s_oRST38h: well, usage scenario is king23:52
RST38hjott: it is a really fickle sensor with "optics" roughly equivalent to a pinhole :)23:52
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jottRST38h: yeah i wasn't going to say "good offer" :)23:52
RST38ht_s_o: yea, but still a general purpose camera good for all scenarios would be cool23:53
t_s_oRST38h: not going to happen. or to put it another way, general purpose isnt...23:53
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GAN800It's kind of awesome that that kind of tech is so cheap.23:54
RST38hI wonder if it is possible to get rid of the noise by reducing the pixel count...23:54
GAN800Think about what that would be 50 years ago23:54
t_s_ohmm, i kinda recall reading about some kind of analog sensor, dont know where or when tho...23:54
RST38hi.e. go down from useless 12mpx to decent 6mpx while reducing noise23:54
StskeepsXXX - Making new folders doesn't seem to work so well right now23:55
RST38hGAN: No such ICs 50 years ago23:55
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RST38hWouldn't even be able to process the data from such a sensor23:55
GAN800RST38h, yeah, that's the point.23:55
qwerty12_N008Stskeeps: mkdir /media/mmc2/XXXporn23:55
jottbehoooold the future!23:55
lcukRST38h, yes you can - take your 12mpix image nd merge the pixels23:57
lcukyou will reduce the noise23:57
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AStormand blur the image23:57
lcukhubble only has 1mpixel sensor :) each pixel is about 3 metres across though to gather as much light as possible23:57
lcukastorm, but you are taking the data from 4 pixels and making them 123:58
RST38hlcuk: I have some doubt23:58
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AStormlcuk: that has to use some smart algorithm23:58
AStormnot simple averaging23:58
lcukalternatively, reduce noise by overlaying 2 12mpix images - same result, more signal, less noise (until you make it bleed)23:58
RST38hlcuk: Given that the noise is regularly distributed, you are risking to amplify it or get the same amount23:58
AStormit is not noise then23:59
RST38h2 images, especially at different ISOs sound like a better idea23:59
AStormbut another distortion23:59
RST38hAStorm: It is noise23:59
lcuknot really, try the nokia camera at 25fps and then try same thing at 8fps23:59
AStormnon-random noise is not noise, but distortion ;P23:59
lcukyou get more signal for your buck23:59
RST38hAStorm: But due to some physical properties it flows over the sensor surface like waves23:59
AStormthen you can remove it23:59
AStormw/o any tricks23:59

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