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| lcuk | if you were actually talking face to face, would you have been hand waving whilst you described that? | 00:01 |
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| derf | No. I actually know how to do all of that. | 00:01 |
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| Proteous | I've been playing Urban Terror since it came out | 00:01 |
| Proteous | love that game | 00:01 |
| derf | Trifocal tensors are vastly superior to fundamental matrices because you can get pointwise correspondences between 3 frames, whereas a fundamental matrix only gives you correspondence between a point and an epipolar line. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | derf, i meant to help with the explanation like a conductor? | 00:02 |
| derf | That ambiguity mean the correspondences used to estimate fundamental matrices have far more outliers. | 00:02 |
| derf | Even after applying a directed search on the initial estimate returned by RANSAC (or MLESAC or whatever the favoriate variant of the day is). | 00:03 |
| * lcuk wouldv just tracked similar color patterns | 00:03 | |
| derf | That's the interest point detection part. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | yer, we brushed over it when looking at the barcodes | 00:03 |
| derf | You want specifically color patterns whose position can be reliably estimated in two dimensions (points on flat homogeneous regions or edges are no good). | 00:04 |
| lcuk | simon has a much better understanding of the math :) | 00:04 |
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| derf | And you want to describe them in a way that is invariant to some geometric distortion (similarity transforms are usually good enough) as well as lighting and contrast. | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but since in a shopping centre youi will get blocks of similar color it helps somewhat,though wouldnt be of use in a generic environment | 00:04 |
| derf | Because of course your camera's exposure is going to be changing constantly while filming. | 00:04 |
| Wolfpaws | I have a question: How do you make the GUI working with SDK? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | derf, and with the 8x0 the camera changes randomly anyway - the chroma channels are so noisey (though if you can desaturate them it helps) | 00:05 |
| derf | If you actually build an accurate model of the camera you can back out physically accurate colors with a high dynamic range, but most people just try to blend away the variations. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | thats because the original colors look "wrong" on a computer screen | 00:06 |
| derf | Dealing with vingetting and everything else has always seemed like more work than it was worth. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | so do you work with images in the daytime, or general engineering with this as a sidetrought | 00:07 |
| derf | lcuk: It's because the camera is probably doing auto-exposure adjustments, because the spectral response is not uniform across the field of view (due to differences in the edges caused by the optics), etc. | 00:07 |
| derf | This is one of the fields I do research in. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | is this rarer if you use a normal camera with flash vs running video in low light | 00:08 |
| lcuk | ie: if i took a series of images along the same path as a movie, simply because the lighting is better would cause it to be better quality (now i write it its obvious) | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | have you lot started doing the extrapolation movies from google tracking cars yet? | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, x11 over ssh - im using putty. if i run my program it wont run because it cant get x11 screen. but if i run it from a local console on the laptop itself it works | 00:11 |
| yacoob | lcuk, there might be plenty of reasons, starting with X11Forwarding off on one of the ends | 00:13 |
| lcuk | i want to run it on the laptops screen | 00:13 |
| lcuk | not forwarding | 00:13 |
| lcuk | im sat infront of desktop with laptop at the side of me | 00:13 |
| Gracktop | Anyone here running leopard? I'm trying to get usbnet working and I'm having no luck. | 00:13 |
| yacoob | lcuk, you ssh to box foo, you want to run x11 app on foo, and have it display its windows on the machine you sshed from? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:14 |
| lcuk | no | 00:14 |
| yacoob | lcuks, agree on one of the options :D | 00:14 |
| lcuk | code and app are stored on laptop. i want to compile and run directly on there. my windows desktop has putty, ive connected from there into the laptop | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i want to execture the binary from my desktop window and have console stuff float up there, but the actual app running on the laptop | 00:15 |
| Gracktop | Where do you want the windows to show up? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | on the laptop | 00:15 |
| Gracktop | You'll have to set your DISPLAY variable appropriately | 00:15 |
| lcuk | ahhha | 00:16 |
| * lcuk hunts | 00:16 | |
| Gracktop | I /believe/ that is all it takes. | 00:16 |
| lcuk | thanks Grackle_ | 00:16 |
| lcuk | Gracktop | 00:16 |
| Gracktop | Heh, well, thank me when it works. >.> | 00:16 |
| yacoob | yeah. Try export DISPLAY=:0 | 00:16 |
| yacoob | or localhost:0 | 00:17 |
| yacoob | DISPLAY variable points to a running x11 server, if it's on the same machine, you only need to specify display number. Which is usually 0. | 00:18 |
| yacoob | The xserver might not let you in, if that's the case run either 'xhost +localhost' in xterm on your x11 session, or xauth in your ssh. | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | Gracktop, yacoob bleugh, its not letting me in but ill just move the laptop itself and run from there, im not wastin time on it. thanks for suggestions it is a permissions thing cos im a normal user - ill sort it when i get annoyed again ;) | 00:33 |
| Gracktop | hah okay | 00:33 |
| * lcuk copies n saves the notes tho | 00:35 | |
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| yacoob | lcuk, try 'xhost +' :) | 00:36 |
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| yacoob | it disables auth alltogether | 00:36 |
| lcuk | root@gary-laptop:/home/gary/Documents/liqbase_www_jpeg# xhost + | 00:37 |
| lcuk | No protocol specified | 00:37 |
| lcuk | xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" | 00:37 |
| yacoob | (which is a bit of a security risk, because someone else can connect to your x11 session and display, say, 'enter your password' dialog) | 00:37 |
| yacoob | ah, not as a root. | 00:37 |
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| yacoob | if you act as a root, you have the same problem :) | 00:37 |
| yacoob | just launch a terminal in your x11 session, and input it from there. | 00:38 |
| lcuk | no, i sudo su'ed to see if that was why xhost was having problems | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | ok | 00:38 |
| yacoob | that won't help :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | no, i got told everything was disabled, lemme just try again | 00:40 |
| lcuk | no | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ahh but now that might be no export DISPLAY.. | 00:41 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 00:42 |
| lcuk | i now get as far as the segmentation fault \o/ w000t | 00:42 |
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| * lcuk goes n fixes that | 00:42 | |
| lcuk | thank you.. | 00:42 |
| lbt | 'night all | 00:48 |
| lcuk | gnite lbt | 00:51 |
| lcuk | holy flock!!! liqbase looks amazing on my laptop :D | 00:54 |
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| fish_ | hi | 00:55 |
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| fish_ | i have send my firefox via X forwarding to my n770 running OS2008. first: it works ;) second: if i click on a text field the keyboard doesnt popup. i guess its because OS2008 cant know when to popup the keyboard on a non-hildon app. but can i start the keyboard manuell somehow? some shell command? | 00:57 |
| texel` | lcuk: erm... not to be obtuse, but what is libqbase? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | easiest place to start :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 00:58 |
| RST38bis | argh... ntfs corrupted | 00:59 |
| lcuk | isnt that an oxymoron | 00:59 |
| RST38bis | chkdsk kinda fixed it though | 00:59 |
| texel` | lcuk: NICE. | 01:01 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:02 |
| texel` | lcuk: you wrote this entirely yourself? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | that was a couple of months ago | 01:02 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:02 |
| texel` | Nicely done. | 01:02 |
| texel` | lcuk: is there a git archive somewhere for it? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | ive added image blitting support (with new fresh alpha test blending) and camera support and ive been hacking away at a whole widget set | 01:02 |
| texel` | lcuk: VERY nice. | 01:02 |
| lcuk | texel, there is an older version parked in the garage | 01:03 |
| texel` | Heh | 01:03 |
| texel` | Okay, I'll have a look, then. | 01:03 |
| texel` | I take it this is a maemo-specific app? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | see how you get on with that, and if you are interested ill let you know which bits have gone | 01:03 |
| lcuk | its been compiled for a laptop in the past by kotzcarny but im just doing it myself now to see a few things | 01:04 |
| * texel` nods | 01:04 | |
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| lcuk | texel, the youtube video links to an itT thread which has info on running the playtest version and hints about setting it up and stuff | 01:05 |
| lcuk | just give me a shout if you need a hand with anything | 01:05 |
| yacoob | kotczarny? 8) | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | shit, have i typoed him again | 01:06 |
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| texel` | lcuk: very interesting idea for usingt he Xv extension. | 01:10 |
| texel` | lcuk: So you're essentially using the DSP side of things for blitting. =o) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | it was the only thing i could do :$ | 01:10 |
| lcuk | no, its all cpu for now | 01:10 |
| yacoob | it's just funny, I didn't know there's another Polish person here :D | 01:10 |
| texel` | lcuk: Ahh. Okay, that makes a bit more info. | 01:10 |
| texel` | s/info/sense/ | 01:10 |
| jott | lcuk: you could have used the framebuffer and saved one extra blit :) | 01:10 |
| * lcuk was not spending £350 on something that went slower than a .net pda | 01:10 | |
| yacoob | (this means 'black cat') | 01:10 |
| infobot | texel` meant: lcuk: Ahh. Okay, that makes a bit more sense. | 01:10 |
| lcuk | jott, but then i wouldnbt have it on my laptop right now :) | 01:10 |
| jott | lcuk: with some portability considerations, why not? it has a framebuffer too :) | 01:10 |
| jott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GdCoywl6_c hmmm nice n800 case :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | jott, absolutely - let me get these out of the way and if i feel in the slightest restricted ill do what i can :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | was just thinking you were quiet jott :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | i followed up on the blending | 01:10 |
| jott | ah just passed by and needed a little rant :P | 01:10 |
| jott | aye! show it to us :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | i treat each layer as greyscale (barring a tweak for UV) and it works a treat | 01:10 |
| jott | do you support color jpegs in the meantime? | 01:10 |
| jott | or are they still shown in grayscale? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | ill send it over when ive done some testing and made the functions actual - i just replaced the generic image blit with imageblit+alpha to see how much of a slowdown i got | 01:10 |
| lcuk | no full color | 01:10 |
| jott | nice | 01:10 |
| lcuk | each plane is simply treated as a 256bit plane | 01:11 |
| lcuk | 8bit | 01:11 |
| lcuk | ffs | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | 256color | 01:11 |
| * lcuk has liqbase in BIGGGGGGGGGG next to him on laptop | 01:11 | |
| lcuk | ill have to put it over the other side of the room for correct dpi | 01:11 |
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| fish_ | well, matchbox-keyboard looks good when spawned remote | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | jott, do you think i should try liqbase p2p | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i have been looking for a server machine - now its my code and it can act as both :) | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to see Freenode ban you for gibberish spam | 01:40 |
| lcuk | sorry GeneralAntilles :) im quite happy | 01:40 |
| Wolfpaws | Hm... What package should I install for terminal emulator? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | theres a term on 2008 | 01:41 |
| Wolfpaws | It doesn't exust under "utilities" on my SDK... | 01:41 |
| lcuk | what? inside the emulated device in xepyhr? | 01:42 |
| Wolfpaws | mhm | 01:42 |
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| jott | lcuk: i would at least not rely on internet connectivity. so either a local server or p2p would be good. p2p should be easier for an enduser. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ooooOOOOOooooohhhhh http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=218327&postcount=18 | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | jott i was thinking specifically for at the summit with my local laptop hooked up to the display ;) | 01:56 |
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| moontiger | lcuk, you going to the summit in berlin? | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | moontiger yes, but i cant stop now | 02:22 |
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| moontiger | :) | 02:22 |
| jott | moontiger: will you be there? | 02:22 |
| * jott will come too | 02:22 | |
| moontiger | im in san francisco until december so i cant :( | 02:23 |
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| Proteous | I live close to SF | 02:30 |
| briand | 1 | 02:31 |
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| Proteous | 3 | 02:32 |
| Proteous | 5 | 02:32 |
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| moontiger | Proteous, where abouts? | 02:34 |
| Proteous | Sonoma | 02:34 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhh the wine country :) | 02:35 |
| moontiger | im in the castro in san fran | 02:35 |
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| Proteous | not superclose, but within an hour | 02:35 |
| Proteous | heh, yeah | 02:35 |
| Proteous | fitting that I am currently working in the Napa office of MyWinesDirect.com | 02:36 |
| Proteous | :P | 02:36 |
| moontiger | ooooooooooooo nice :) | 02:36 |
| moontiger | i used to live in south africa ... in cape town ... lots of wines there too :) | 02:36 |
| Proteous | yeah | 02:36 |
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| moontiger | so do you have a spill-proof case for your n810? ;) | 02:37 |
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| Proteous | I enjoy the tons of beer microbrewerys around here more :) | 02:37 |
| Proteous | heh, no | 02:37 |
| moontiger | mmmmmmmmmmmm beer :) | 02:37 |
| Proteous | actualy I really need to pick up some screen protectors | 02:37 |
| moontiger | my fave beer in from seattle ... mac'n'jack | 02:37 |
| Proteous | now that I have a small scratch in my screen | 02:37 |
| Proteous | havn't heard of that | 02:38 |
| moontiger | only in seattle ... nice and hearty and good :) | 02:38 |
| moontiger | kind of an amber ale type thing | 02:38 |
| Proteous | I like a lot of Lagunitas beers | 02:40 |
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| moontiger | ahhhh ive had those | 02:52 |
| moontiger | they are good too | 02:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on putting "RFE:" in the summaries of bugs that are clearly marked as enhancements? :\ | 03:07 |
| moontiger | cos people dont read | 03:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, how'd I miss this one? https://wiki.maemo.org/CFSONID | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wish that person had logged in. | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha: https://wiki.maemo.org/Automatic_Muting_via_cron | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything that starts with those first two sections HAS to be deleted. | 03:14 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, is the wiki a paid job for you? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 03:19 |
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| moontiger | so you just try to keep things clean and neat for the love of it? | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that, and the karma whoring. :P | 03:20 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh ... and the karma does what exactly? | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's actually no karma from the wiki yet | 03:21 |
| moontiger | is the wiki a nokia thing? | 03:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But karma is factored into who gets the device discount codes, who gets sponsorships, and who is eligible for maemo.org Community Council candidacy. | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki is a maemo.org thing. | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | there's just no karma plugin for it at the moment. | 03:22 |
| moontiger | and maeno.org isnt controlled by nokia? | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not anymore | 03:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That was one of the big points of the branding shakeup | 03:23 |
| Pebby | Hey guys, I'm just getting scratchbox set up and am getting an error on compiling that looks like this: /var/tmp/ccrKOgBw.s:16461: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [ip,#0]' -- any ideas? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-brand is https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 03:24 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 03:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia wanted to use the Maemo trademark for themselves | 03:24 |
| Pebby | Websearching only revealed that several other people were having trouble with 'pld' on arm platforms, not many solutions =/ | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it wasn't a well regulated or controlled trademark | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now we have Maemo and maemo.org (much like Mozilla and mozilla.org) instead of just maemo. | 03:24 |
| moontiger | did maemo exist pre nokia? | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is the community | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia created Maemo | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo is Nokia | 03:25 |
| moontiger | ahhhh i c | 03:25 |
| moontiger | how did u get the wiki job? | 03:26 |
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| ShadowJK | .. | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/%ED%95%9C%EA%B8%80 | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what that is? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Korean, I guess? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does anybody read Korean? :P | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I'm just a volunteer | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The way any volunteer gets a job | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | They step up and get to work. ;) | 03:29 |
| ShadowJK | slow wiki is slooow. | 03:29 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: Seems to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul | 03:30 |
| rm_you | There is a disturbance in the force... | 03:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pong? | 03:30 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, what do you do for a paid job, if you dont mind me asking? | 03:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws a ping-pong paddle at rm_you's face. | 03:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, fulltime student at the moment. | 03:30 |
| moontiger | ShadowJK, yes its slow for me too today | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I usually work in a used bookstore back home during the summer, though. ;) | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, how much of this is still relevant in ICD2? | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Integrate_Bluetooth_networks_into_Connection_Manager | 03:31 |
| rm_you | GA is a student, yes? :P | 03:32 |
| rm_you | As are quite a few of us here <_< | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd rather have an article detailing the various dummy connection packages (usbnet, PAN) | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you is lag city, yes? | 03:32 |
| rm_you | heh, I was out | 03:33 |
| rm_you | and your message scrolled off | 03:33 |
| rm_you | all I know is that you messaged me, according to XChat <_< | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't even remember | 03:33 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:33 |
| moontiger | the wiki is very very slow right now for me | 03:33 |
| moontiger | students ahhhhh nice | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 issue, maybe? | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something else? | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 03:33 |
| moontiger | i used to be a student | 03:33 |
| moontiger | :) | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The server upgrades were seemingly going to take place on Monday. . . . | 03:34 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, that bluetooth stuff is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of date | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | That seems to not be happening, though. | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, you want to update it? :P | 03:34 |
| moontiger | just need bluetooth PAN package and voila! | 03:35 |
| moontiger | i use it :) | 03:35 |
| moontiger | i will yes ... how do i do that? | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Login, click edit at the top. | 03:35 |
| moontiger | my garage login? | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it'll probably change again soon. | 03:35 |
| * mgedmin gave up trying to set up PAN on Ubuntu | 03:35 | |
| rm_you | I think i can actually login to wiki now :P | 03:36 |
| rm_you | yay | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 03:36 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: my awemazing-tastic switch got here today :P happy | 03:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Time to shuffle lots of big files around. | 03:36 |
| rm_you | 24 port gigabit managed switch :P | 03:36 |
| rm_you | with rack mounting brackets :P | 03:37 |
| rm_you | I need to buy a rack | 03:37 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i edited that page ... let me know if what i did sucks :) | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't maemo-pan depend on the dummy network package? | 04:09 |
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| moontiger | it says that and it says that that gets installed automatically | 04:13 |
| moontiger | its a dependency | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, the content is fine | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just need to touch up the formatting a bit. | 04:15 |
| Pebby | I'm not sure if it's a "bad-thing(tm)," but as to my prior problem involving 'processor does not support pld,' I just set my CFLAGS to use -march=armv5te | 04:15 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i wont be in the least offended if you completely re-edit it ... if i can help at all let me know :) | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN#Installing | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 04:21 |
| Mousey | awesome! | 04:24 |
| lcuk_afk | nite chan | 04:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts cold water in lcuk's bed. | 04:25 | |
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| Grackle_ | I don't seem to be able to get my NIT to work in ethernet gadget mode :/ | 04:29 |
| Grackle_ | If it's in peripheral mode with g_ether loaded and g_file_storage unloaded, then the device does not show up on the host at all (when looking using lsusb) | 04:30 |
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| rm_you | upgrading the firmware on my switch ^_^ | 04:42 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, that looks very nice :) | 04:52 |
| crashanddie | yeah, GeneralAntilles is quite the looker | 04:52 |
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| moontiger | crashanddie, heh i meant the page :)~ | 05:25 |
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| lopz | night | 06:08 |
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| moontiger | im outtie ... laterz | 06:52 |
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| gregorovius | I can't get _anyone_ to ship me an igo stowaway to south america for a reasonable price =/ | 07:15 |
| rm_you_ | :( | 07:16 |
| gregorovius | dunno why everyone on ebay is so us-centric | 07:17 |
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| gregorovius | and amazon only ships books & cds down here | 07:18 |
| rm_you_ | know anyone in the US? | 07:19 |
| rm_you_ | could get it shipped and reshipped <_< | 07:19 |
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| gregorovius | maybe, but I'd rather not bother anyone, at least not if I have an option | 07:21 |
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| gregorovius | if anyone happens to find a decent price on an igo stowaway with worldwide shipping, please let me know =) | 07:50 |
| gregorovius | in the meanwhile, thumb cramps it is | 07:50 |
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| Dekaritae | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019K261G | 08:11 |
| Dekaritae | PNY P-SDHC32G4-FS 32GB | 08:11 |
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| Proteous | damn laggers, cluttering up the channel with clones | 08:24 |
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| Proteous | in my day you would get k-lined for even saying the name clone | 08:25 |
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| Proteous | if they found out you were the same person connecting from two different IPs they would smurf you off the net | 08:27 |
| Proteous | nowdays kids can't even stay connected for two minutes | 08:28 |
| XTL | http://jcooney.net/archive/2007/02/01/42999.aspx | 08:28 |
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| bef0rd | haha | 08:30 |
| Grackle | usbnet to NIT with ssh socks proxy is working quite well for me right now | 08:33 |
| * Grackle has no wireless card but is using the NIT for wireless internet | 08:33 | |
| Proteous | usbnet isn't wireless | 08:35 |
| Proteous | unless you some wireless usb hardware I guess | 08:36 |
| Proteous | s/you/you have/ | 08:37 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: unless you have some wireless usb hardware I guess | 08:37 |
| Grackle | Proteous, it's not wireless in that my setup involves wires, but I am not connected to the actual router with wires. | 08:37 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:39 |
| Proteous | so it's like wireless but with a slight USB teather | 08:41 |
| Grackle | It's like having a USB wireless adapter that has a cord instead of plugging directly into the port. | 08:42 |
| Grackle | Adapters like that are not uncommon. | 08:42 |
| XTL | Antenna that stands up on your desk | 08:45 |
| Proteous | although they probably don't call themselves "wireless" | 08:45 |
| XTL | Beats trying to get cables across doorways, halls and floors :) | 08:45 |
| Grackle | They most certainly do, Proteous. | 08:46 |
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| Proteous | hmm I think I finaly get what you azre descibing | 08:46 |
| Grackle | This is a stupid argument, anyway. It benefits me to be able to connect using a 3 foot USB cord instead of running an ethernet cable from the basement. End of story. | 08:46 |
| Proteous | no one is arguing | 08:47 |
| Grackle | Oh, if it's just a misunderstanding.. *finds an image* | 08:47 |
| Proteous | well, I guess you could be arguing with yourself | 08:47 |
| Proteous | I get it now, no worries | 08:48 |
| Grackle | http://www.vdhsoft.be/img_art/19495.jpg like one of these | 08:48 |
| XTL | Grackle: That's a setup I've been thinkin about, too, btw. | 08:48 |
| Grackle | gotta reboot my computer, I'll be right back | 08:48 |
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| Proteous | using a $400 device to replicate the funcionality of a $15 wireless usb dongle is sorta strange | 08:50 |
| Proteous | probable fun to mess around with but not overly practical | 08:51 |
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| Proteous | although how many usb wireless dongles come with a built in battery backup | 08:52 |
| XTL | Using something you already have = $0 in equipment | 08:52 |
| Proteous | if you don't mind giving up the original porpose of the device while you use it | 08:54 |
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| * doc|home front | 08:56 | |
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| Proteous | just need to turn the IT into a caching proxy,make use of the extra processing power and attached screen | 08:57 |
| Proteous | maybe a firewall or something | 08:57 |
| Grackle | That could be handy. | 08:58 |
| XTL | You could talk do Darius Jack... | 08:58 |
| Proteous | preform man in the middle attacks on yourself | 08:58 |
| XTL | Would be fun to make a man in the middle proxy that shows a slideshow of captured images from unencrypted http etc | 08:59 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:59 |
| johnx | XTL, actually reminds me of one of the xscreensavers :) | 09:01 |
| XTL | johnx: Sort of like that | 09:01 |
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| johnx | except getting the pics with ethereal (or some other packet sniffer) instead of random web searches | 09:02 |
| XTL | And that access point that turns images upside down | 09:02 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 09:03 |
| XTL | Or goatses :) | 09:03 |
| johnx | turning images upside down wins lots more points for subtlety | 09:03 |
| johnx | a 5px blur filter would be nice as well | 09:03 |
| XTL | Or modulating the colours | 09:03 |
| johnx | ahaha...new Web 3.0...in sepia tone | 09:04 |
| johnx | not quite as much fun to prank oneself though | 09:04 |
| XTL | No, you need some audience. | 09:05 |
| XTL | .. victims | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps | 09:55 |
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| gatestone_ | Can anyone comment if, GSM pricing in USA is essentially more expensive than in Europe? I am thingking here like PDA usage, with reasonable amounts of data only | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's all about the data plan | 10:25 |
| gatestone_ | So what are the cheapest ones? In Finland the going rate is less than 10 euro for month, for unlimited or large cap plans... | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got an "unlimited" non-tethering plan from AT&T that I tether to anyway for $20/mo | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call it $40-$60 a month to tether within the letter of your ToS. | 10:27 |
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| Dekaritae | http://www.getpeek.com/ | 10:49 |
| moontiger | that looks kind of interesting | 10:53 |
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| moontiger | but my n810 + bluetooth fone = 1000000x better | 10:53 |
| johnx | the hardware is what might be interesting :) | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ick @ at the ugly keyboard | 11:00 |
| * qwerty12 bets that the device will be "locked" | 11:02 | |
| Stskeeps | or running windows blowile | 11:02 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't mind winmo, lots of hacking possibilities | 11:03 | |
| Stskeeps | i went berserk after a week with .NET Compact Framework | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | which led to the worst meeting of my life where it was 2 hours of arguing | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | heh :/ | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | (which ended up with us switching to nokia tablets) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | (i won) | 11:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Haha, nice:) | 11:05 |
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| * qwerty12 can't decide over xmms2 or mpd :/ | 11:06 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| XTL | qwerty12: I'll help you: Pick anything that's not winamp/xmms | 11:07 |
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| qwerty12 | XTL: mpd it is :D | 11:08 |
| XTL | They've caused enough terror and destruction :) | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | It's quite useful actually using Sonata on the desktop to change tracks on my N800 :) | 11:08 |
| * Jaffa grumbles at Thoughtfix for http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html | 11:10 | |
| XTL | heh | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | there is a fair bit of sarcasm in that post though | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | Not that I have a Nokia phone, but it's bad enough the links from planet can't be followed due to feedburner problems | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | "Ntropic Location: GPS assist, allowing N800 users to use their phone's GPS for map software" <-- You can already do that. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i think there scaringily would be a market for that product though | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:12 |
| n800n | if they give me the gps | 11:12 |
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| lbt | FYI planet appears to be up... | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | meh, they should port mpd to windows | 11:30 |
| RST38h | the miracle | 11:31 |
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| lbt | meh, they should rewrite windows to run mpd | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Ouch... http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_Compatibility | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | oh, it supports esound | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | good enough for me | 11:32 |
| * Stskeeps scaringily has a esound daemon on his media center | 11:33 | |
| qwerty12 | Esd is the only thing that works for me on the tablet :/ | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | I use libao on the tablet and libao is set to use esd | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | Although it works quite well when using alsa09 on libao.conf | 11:33 |
| XTL | There is a windos esound? | 11:34 |
| XTL | I think I once wanted to go the other way.. | 11:34 |
| XTL | Can't remember the details. Have som win app send audio over the net | 11:35 |
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| moontiger | is there a way to capture tap events on a textview area? and figure out what text is was tapped on? | 11:35 |
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| moontiger | is-- | 11:36 |
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| RST38h | esd is weird and evil | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | XTL: winamp has esd plugin too afaik | 11:37 |
| RST38h | not documented too | 11:37 |
| XTL | RST38h: indeed | 11:38 |
| XTL | Of course it is from the E | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: LXDE is decent on tablet | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | XTL: Is the rest of the E similarly screwed and crufty? | 11:41 |
| XTL | RST38h: At least they seem to be huge and heavy | 11:42 |
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| * RST38h screams at linsux people: Stop building endless audio servers, m@#$%ckers! Just provide a reliable audio device! | 11:44 | |
| XTL | Heh, "slapt-get is an APT-like system for Slackware package management. Slapt-get tries to emulate the features of Debian's apt-get as closely as possible." | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | "and bugs"? | 11:45 |
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| rmrfchik | does it moo? | 11:55 |
| XTL | It better | 11:57 |
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| rmrfchik | each apt-get must moo | 12:03 |
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| logout128 | hello | 12:16 |
| lcuk_afk | does anyone know the simplest way to work on and compile a program for 2 different targets at the same time. i want to continue writing code for maemo but want it testable and usable on my x86 laptop as well - i dont want to have to checkin/out from each system and use a different editor etc | 12:16 |
| logout128 | could anyone please point me to Maemo 2.x SDK? the link on maemo.org seems to be broken | 12:17 |
| lcuk_afk | logout128, 2.x is rather old, is there a specific reason why you are using it | 12:17 |
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| logout128 | lcuk: yes, i still have OS2006 on my N770 | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | Has a 770 I guess. | 12:18 |
| lcuk | i thought that yould update quite happily to os2007? must be wrong | 12:19 |
| logout128 | qwerty12: precisely | 12:19 |
| lcuk | logout128, then i dunno | 12:19 |
| logout128 | lcuk: os2007 requires swap on card most of the time, sometime freezes without particular reason and is horribly slow on N770 | 12:20 |
| lcuk | fair enough, i knew there were issues with running 2008 on a 770, from what i understood however 2007 has been recommended to lots of folks, i shall not mention it again :) | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which link? | 12:21 |
| logout128 | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html | 12:22 |
| logout128 | that one | 12:22 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ | 12:23 |
| lcuk | link is positively wrong on the dev page | 12:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 12:24 |
| logout128 | not cool at all | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | That link is right in the sidebar. | 12:24 |
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| lcuk | but the big fat link in the middle is wrong | 12:24 |
| logout128 | well, http://maemo.org has no sidebar on the front page. but it has SDK link, which is wrong | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, fixed now. | 12:24 |
| logout128 | thanks a lot | 12:25 |
| logout128 | let's install it | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: You're right, g_serial is brilliant. I'm gonna add an option for usb_serial in initfs | 12:25 |
| lcuk | "roll up, roll up, hot SDK action, step inside, come in.........OMG YOU CHEATS ITS A WINDOWS VISTA PRESENTATION!" | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: What do you think about a g_file_storage mod in initfs that will export mtdblock4 over usb? | 12:30 |
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| mikkov_ | anybody interested testing boswars from extras-devel? It can install data files (90MB) to mmc, so I would like to hear if it works | 12:59 |
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| lbt | so lcuk - how 'big' is liqbase? and if you ported it to SDL could you use it from a minimal (non-X) system.... like say initfs? | 13:04 |
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| lbt | we wanted a gui bootmenu... | 13:04 |
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| * qwerty12 was unaware you could use sdl outside x ;). Surely you mean framebuffer? | 13:05 | |
| lbt | I thought SDL was framebuffer - my mistake | 13:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Atm, I think it uses framebuffer but is linked to X11 libs | 13:06 |
| * qwerty12 is not lcuk :P | 13:06 | |
| keesj | sdl really only provides a "surface" to draw on and the surface can be the framebuffer | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, my bad, sorry. | 13:08 |
| lbt | yep - I think I associate SDL with framebuffer - and they are different | 13:08 |
| keesj | it currently uses the X11 backend it is therefore possible to create "windowed" apps | 13:09 |
| yacoob | qwerty12, sdl was designed as cross-platform media library, so it can use pretty much anything | 13:09 |
| yacoob | including aalib I think :) | 13:10 |
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| qwerty12 | yacoob: Ah :). I always thought it was X11 after only ever seeing it in X11 apps :). | 13:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone know a bit about how g_file_storage works? | 13:12 |
| keesj | qwerty12: I do play with it on daily basis. please ask :p | 13:14 |
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| qwerty12 | keesj: thanks :D, hmm, does it find file systems to "export" over usb automatically or does it have to be specified on a command line? | 13:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, after reading osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, I get a better idea of how it works :) | 13:17 |
| keesj | qwerty12 it can be done two ways | 13:18 |
| keesj | during modprobe you can give a number of block devices to export | 13:18 |
| keesj | (those can be real devices or simply files) | 13:18 |
| keesj | so you can export number of luns | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see, thanks! | 13:19 |
| keesj | when the module is already loaded you can use sysfs to change the backing store | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, great, thanks a lot, that's helped me quite a bit actually. | 13:20 |
| keesj | http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c contains good documentation | 13:22 |
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| eichi | is there no way to enable bluetooth faster then going to the control center first? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sounds interestig | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Yeah, I'm working on it now that I understand it better (thanks keesj) | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | eichi: Search for switchonbt | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | Fingers crossed that my mtdblock4 doesn't get corrupted :D | 13:51 |
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| taplax | [A | 14:00 |
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| Binky | Ok, my 770 finally turned on after 15 mins in the fridge and three reboots | 14:07 |
| Binky | At first, it didn't want to power on unless it was connected to the charger | 14:08 |
| Binky | After that it showed white screens after each tap on the screen | 14:08 |
| Binky | And it finally worked | 14:08 |
| aquatix | Binky: you took it swimming? | 14:08 |
| Binky | Thank you all for pointing me to the solution | 14:09 |
| Binky | Nope.. | 14:09 |
| Binky | aquatix, i plugged it to the charger, i came to disconnect it 2 or 3 hours later | 14:09 |
| Binky | It was off and won't turn on | 14:10 |
| Binky | Until today ^^ | 14:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I've got mtdblock4 exported over usb, now I'm trying to make my computer believe it's an mtd device... | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | it shows up only as a block device or? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | (0 size file) | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 80 2008-08-28 12:08 /dev/sdf | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, sdf is the only thing I'm getting from dmesg | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | shit | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | I unplugged and replugged the cable and the tablet switched off :/ | 14:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Here is my "function" to load g_file_storage etc. http://pastebin.com/d300f3d4 . I'm unsure as to whether I should use mtd4 or mtdblock4 as I am using now | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't have much experience with g_file_storage sorry | 14:17 |
| qwerty12 | No problems, I'll mess around and see what I get :) | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | lbt, its not he size its the method (size is about 150kb or so) its the methodology - it expects YUV planes rather than RGB interleaved. of course this is arbitary and could be retargetted at some other point - ive been asked about porting to none Xv systems in the past and thinnk it is possible just not something im aiming towards at this point | 14:23 |
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| keesj | I have seen a real n800 user in the whild | 14:32 |
| keesj | a text writer | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: interesting use of g_serial could be Recovery Applications for *nix/windows | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | a toolset for fixing problems | 14:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Yeah, sounds interesting. I'm actually quite liking g_serial more than g_ether because g_ether fails to work for me in Ubuntu and Windows. | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | g_ether is easy in ubuntu | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.1 | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, anybody experienced hangups from the updated version of Modest? | 14:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: It was working for me once, but I think a kernel upgrade broke it :/ | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Where it gets stuck in memory, no longer checks for email and does not come up when you click on the Email icon? | 14:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ok, found something odd, I'm modprobing mtdblock and block2mtd etc, /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd contains /dev/sde which is my N800 but as soon as I modprobe jffs2 on the computer, the device quits the mass storage mode from bootmenu and shuts off :/ | 14:45 |
| andrewfblack | Morning guys qwerty12 I got your PM thanks | 14:46 |
| qwerty12 | morning, sorry about that, my internet got disconnected >.< | 14:46 |
| andrewfblack | its cool happens all the time | 14:47 |
| andrewfblack | to me atleast | 14:47 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 14:48 |
| andrewfblack | anyone ever use prisim for the tablet I can't get it to type numbers in it | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | prisim ? | 14:50 |
| andrewfblack | crashanddie its that app that gives a website a icon to load it from menu and runs inside its own window with no address bar(unless you want it) | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | ah, mozilla prism ? | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, do you have an n800 or n810 ? | 14:56 |
| andrewfblack | n810 | 14:56 |
| andrewfblack | yeah sorry about the extra i lol | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | I don't know if it has been hildonised properly, are you using the hardware keyboard or software ? | 14:56 |
| andrewfblack | hardware I havn't checked the software one yet | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | hang on, there's someone in the house | 14:57 |
| XTL | the mouse? | 14:57 |
| Fatal | the spouse? | 14:58 |
| andrewfblack | lol | 14:58 |
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| eXeonical | ereca | 15:13 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:43 |
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| Gary | erm, have they come out with a nice irc client for 4.2008.30.2 | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | XChat | 16:10 |
| XTL | bah | 16:13 |
| Gary | I seem to fail at finding a download for that | 16:13 |
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| taplax | Gary: search from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 16:16 |
| taplax | Gary: xchat seems to be in maemo extras-devel | 16:18 |
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| Gary | woot, thanks taplax | 16:24 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone who pushes packages to extras, keep an eye out for the "permission denied" and "lost connection" when using dput/scp. If spotted, please re-open #3354 | 16:28 |
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| l33t | thanks taplax :-) | 16:31 |
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| taplax | that is one of the best repository searching pages that i have found :) | 16:32 |
| l33t | I bet | 16:32 |
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| l33t | eek default font size is for someone with better eyes than me,brb | 16:33 |
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| rmrfchik | err. I can't install sdk on my amd64 box? | 17:01 |
| rmrfchik | wtf? | 17:01 |
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| l33t | co | 17:06 |
| lardman | rmrfchik: doesn't like 64bit | 17:07 |
| lardman | rmrfchik: you have to install it manually, or just edit the script to skip the check iirc | 17:07 |
| rmrfchik | but amd64 sure supports i386 | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | rmrfchik/lardman: there's a better way | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | hang on... | 17:09 |
| lardman | rmrfchik: depends if your distro is 64bit or 32bit? | 17:09 |
| rmrfchik | it's debian amd64 | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | rmrfchik/lardman: instructions for deploying on x86_64: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2043#c8 | 17:09 |
| lardman | Jaffa: thanks (I went back to 32bit on my Core Due anyway as silly things like flash work better) | 17:10 |
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| rmrfchik | flash works find on my box ;) | 17:11 |
| lardman | ah well, thing have probably changed | 17:11 |
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| rmrfchik | setarch not found | 17:13 |
| rmrfchik | o_O | 17:13 |
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| rmrfchik | just hacked the file | 17:15 |
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| Jaffa | rmrfchik: you don't have ia32-libs or something installed, then | 17:16 |
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| Jaffa | rmrfchik: if you don't need ia32-libs installed to get a working scratchbox, can you comment on #2043 please? | 17:17 |
| rmrfchik | i have ia32-libs. what is this "something" which contains setarch? | 17:17 |
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| yacoob | shouldn't be maemo version of claws called 'pincers'? :) | 17:25 |
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| jott | yacoob: how about "fingernail"? :> | 17:29 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart menuconfig | 18:04 |
| * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at menuconfig | 18:04 | |
| crashanddie | ~fart qwerty12 | 18:05 |
| * infobot farts in qwerty12's general direction | 18:05 | |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:05 |
| * qwerty12 stabs infobot | 18:05 | |
| crashanddie | now you've opened the whole gas canister | 18:06 |
| * qwerty12 would like to use g_serial for a shell in initfs but when it's missing getty, it kinda makes it impossible :/ | 18:07 | |
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| crashanddie | lol @ #jobs | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, that was fast | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Aww, I thought it was going to be a good channel | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, don't think you're going to impress anyone | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | qwerty12: I thought it was another job | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, plus I WAS FIRST ! | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | s/qwerty12/crashanddie/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: crashanddie: I thought it was another job | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | lol | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | talking to yourself now, eh ? | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, hey man | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, hey, how you doing ? | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, good, good, still looking for a job, all that | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, ah, yeah, I know how you feel, don't worry, it'll be alright man | 18:12 |
| * qwerty12 finds crashanddie's GP | 18:12 | |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, yeah... I hope so | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, my GP ? | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, my GP ? | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, lol | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, lol yourself | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: General practitioner | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | oooh | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | Don't have one | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | ah, fine, this is a case for the hospital :P | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | first sign of madness and all that... | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, he talking 'bout us ? | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, I reckon | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, can we ask you a question ? | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: depends on what it is | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, we won't ask it, then | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:15 |
| _berto_ | uh, Intel acquires OpenedHand | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | HUH ? | 18:15 |
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| _berto_ | http://o-hand.com/ | 18:16 |
| _berto_ | i've just read it | 18:16 |
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| crashanddie | djeezus | 18:16 |
| Grackle_ | Wow. | 18:16 |
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| crashanddie | Well... I guess I'm lucky they didn't hire me then | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | Plus, they have shitty company politics, no ethic whatsoever | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | glibc is a whore | 18:20 |
| Grackle_ | Yeah I heard glibc links with just about everything | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | All I've compiled is getty (and this is the busybox version) statically and it's 480KB :D | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd use my uclibc toolchain but the binaries sometimes work with the initfs and sometimes don't :/ | 18:22 |
| Grackle_ | :/ | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | I've upx'ed it down and it's gone to 220KB which is still bigger than I'd like but mildly reasonable :) | 18:23 |
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| mgedmin | maemo mapper disappoints me | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | large cpu usage, large memory usage, frequent freezes | 18:36 |
| * mgedmin blames sqlite | 18:36 | |
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| hrw | mgedmin: hi, I have one question to you | 18:36 |
| hrw | mgedmin: in Lithuania you have one road sign which I do not know... It is warning sign (triangle one) with black dot in center. What it means? | 18:37 |
| johnx | mgedmin, there's a patch to switch it from sql for map storage to stitched together jpgs | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | dangerous stretch of road; many accidents here; something like that | 18:37 |
| johnx | mgedmin, if you're interested I'll find you a link | 18:38 |
| hrw | mgedmin: thx | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | johnx: not really; too much hassle and I somehow doubt it would convert my map caches for me | 18:39 |
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| johnx | there's a tool to do it | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | I'll just bitch here | 18:39 |
| lardman|gone | cu chaps on Sunday probably | 18:39 |
| johnx | 'night lardman|gone | 18:39 |
| johnx | mgedmin, fair enough, but it works a lot better IMHO and there's a nice .deb for it | 18:39 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello everyone ! | 18:40 |
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| johnx | hey Khertan_n810 | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | everybody ! | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | :o) | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | there isn t many activity here | 18:44 |
| * johnx shrugs | 18:45 | |
| johnx | maybe people are sleeping or something | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Even better, busybox 1.00's static getty compiled against uclibc is 49KB compared to 1.61's which is 69KB compiled against the same | 18:45 |
| johnx | I know I should O_o | 18:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | johnx: sleeping at 17h45 :) | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | gmt | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: what's the time over there? :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | oh, I'm lazy | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | I'll google :) | 18:46 |
| johnx | 0:46 | 18:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | wow :/ | 18:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I live in the future :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 18:47 |
| johnx | I can tell you about the future: The trains are crowded and the gas prices are high :P | 18:48 |
| * Khertan_n810 ll have a furious enjoy if he can slap some google developpers ! | 18:49 | |
| qwerty12 | Lol, gas prices are the same in the past in that case :P | 18:49 |
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| johnx | Khertan_n810, more fun dealing with their API? | 18:51 |
| johnx | wow...why is gas so expensive in the UK? | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: everything driving related is :/ | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | look in france | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | with 80% tax | 18:53 |
| johnx | aaah, taxes I guess | 18:54 |
| johnx | qwerty12, car insurance is pretty crazy here (from what I hear) | 18:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | 1,52 Euro/L | 18:54 |
| johnx | gah...the fun of multiple currency/unit conversions... | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: heh, but here, you get charged on a lot of stuff :/. toll roads, car tax, they want the congestion charging zone extended etc | 18:55 |
| johnx | qwerty12, same here. There's huge tolls to actually get anywhere at all | 18:55 |
| johnx | almost makes it cheaper to use the train a lot of the time... | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | johnx: yep ... their api suck ! | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | many 104 error : reset by peer | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | reinit the connection ... | 18:56 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, weak sauce :/ | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | and try to get the next event | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the result is that an endless call | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/that/that i get | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | and noway to detect it | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | arrgh, I can't get getty to start in the initfs >.<. I'm going to have to boot maemo and check the logs :/ | 18:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and calling only one event is really really slow | 18:59 |
| * johnx tries to figure out how hildon menus get popped up when matchbox window titles get clicked | 18:59 | |
| Khertan_n810 | s/callling/calling details on | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: look in the hildon-desktop source, there will be similar code there too for the desktop "home" menu | 19:01 |
| johnx | hmm...maybe | 19:01 |
| johnx | I just had a funny thought though... | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I just killed matchbox and the menu for the desktop still worked :) | 19:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | huhu just see the joomla hole | 19:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | very nice sql injection | 19:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | just with a quote | 19:03 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: where? what? | 19:03 |
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| johnx | my goal is to replace matchbox with another wm...but I still want to be able to get windows to open their menu with a title-bar click... | 19:04 |
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| johnx | heh...the nice, easy hacky way might just be to send "F4" to the app | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | what's the jabber resource priority that telepathy uses? | 19:19 |
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| mgedmin | I'm connected to a jabber server on my laptop and on my n810, and incoming messages appear on the n810 instead of the laptop | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | typing answers works better on a laptop | 19:20 |
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| ||cw | mgedmin: that should be configurable | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:24 |
| ||cw | default is probably 0 | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | I can configure the priority in gajim | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | are larger numbers better? | 19:24 |
| ||cw | no, less | 19:24 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 19:24 |
| ||cw | IIRC | 19:24 |
| ||cw | been a while since i messed with jabber in that way | 19:24 |
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| jott | johnx: you need implement the XClientMessageEvent atom _MB_GRAB_TRANSFER | 19:33 |
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| johnx | jott, awesome! hopefully I'll just be able to yank it from matchbox | 19:34 |
| jott | johnx: and look for _NET_WM_CONTEXT_CUSTOM | 19:34 |
| johnx | thanks :D | 19:35 |
| jott | (as a wmprotocol atom that can be registered) | 19:35 |
| jott | johnx: which wm do you plan to modify? | 19:37 |
| johnx | I don't really know yet | 19:37 |
| johnx | I'm looking at tabbed window managers | 19:37 |
| johnx | I'd like to keep the applications as is, but I'm not really sold on the hildon-desktop | 19:39 |
| johnx | and xfce, lxde, gnome, kde, etc are really wasteful of screen real estate | 19:40 |
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| jott | something like ion or dwm? | 19:40 |
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| johnx | jott, that's the idea | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:41 |
| johnx | at this point I'm not really commited to anything | 19:41 |
| jott | johnx: i think dwm/wmii are pretty easy hackable. | 19:41 |
| jott | and do not have much dependencies :) | 19:41 |
| johnx | I think I'll do a quick mockup of what I'm thinking | 19:42 |
| XTL | hmm | 19:44 |
| jott | johnx: ah right dwm was the one i had in mind of hackability - one c file with ~1800 lines :) | 19:45 |
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| johnx | jott, cool. I'm looking at screenshots now. it might be what I want (or at least a good thing to test with) | 19:46 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what are the odds of Nokia going with an Atom-based system for the Nokia n9xx series ? | 20:17 |
| mikkov_ | 0 | 20:18 |
| johnx | about the same as them putting in atom in their next phone | 20:18 |
| jott | they also contribute omap3 code to the omap linux branch... | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | so you three guys are in fact GA clones? I KNEW IT ! | 20:19 |
| lcuk | :D Lol | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | anyway, thanks for confirming my thoughts | 20:20 |
| johnx | crashanddie, nope. I'm just allowed to speak for him in this case | 20:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.handcellphone.com/wp-content/uploads/intel-atom_1-3-5-08.jpg | 20:20 |
| glass | atom would make it pretty expensive, no? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | it was just a thought | 20:20 |
| jott | glass: more pretty big and power hungry :) | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's a clever trick, they contribute code to linux omap but are really going to release atom with vista for next tablet | 20:20 |
| johnx | glass, and hot, and short of battery life, and bigger | 20:20 |
| glass | jott: well that too, but bigger battery=more expensive and so on | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | have you seen the size of the n okia resaerch labs? it was just a thought: with all the atom mids being announced is it unreasonable to suggest nokia might actually be looking at them themselves | 20:21 |
| jott | well they most likely have some things in their research labs. | 20:22 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah, I'd be willing to say so actually | 20:23 |
| glass | mysterious big underground caverns | 20:23 |
| glass | well no really | 20:23 |
| glass | my last apartment i could see 3 huge nokia signs from | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | The Dark Knight was partially filmed in the Nokia R&D HQ | 20:23 |
| lcuk | :O batmans alter-ego is quim gil! | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | no | 20:24 |
| andrewfblack | ok I got a question for you guys I spend most of my day online but I use 3 to 4 computer throughout the day including work ones but not including my tablet. I hate not having all my files and bookmarks and suck all with me is there an easy to to sync everything between my computer I've used several things but never found anything I like | 20:24 |
| johnx | lcuk, There's way too much going for the omap I think, from Nokia's point of view for them to consider something else for a niche, parts bin product line | 20:24 |
| jott | and they showcased omap 3 in dark knight, though i am sure they need to clear some things with FCC :D | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | Quim in Hungarian means sonar, and Gil in Swahili means predator | 20:25 |
| lcuk | johnx, as i say, it was just a thought :) sparking discussion | 20:25 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, omg he IS the dark knight | 20:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, no offence meant or anything, but I've been involved in this discussion a couple million times on ITT | 20:26 |
| jott | lcuk just wants a windows vista based tablet :D | 20:26 |
| * lcuk makes a mental note to call him Bruce | 20:26 | |
| johnx | I wrote a short novel on the subject if you're interested :) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | jott, ewwwww no way would i dev for microsoft not | 20:26 |
| lcuk | w | 20:26 |
| lcuk | lol john | 20:26 |
| lcuk | not now that liqbase works on my laptop | 20:26 |
| lcuk | well sortof kindof works | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | cloudreader is starting to work pretty decently on my laptop | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | even though having it in 1280x800 makes it hard to have enough tags to find anything to scroll :P | 20:27 |
| jott | just increase the font size :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i needed a second networkable machine to test collaborative whiteboarding and since i dont have another n8x0 yet i had to do something | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, understandably | 20:28 |
| lcuk | jott, on mine i have to decrease the font size - it is currently visible from orbit (TM) :) | 20:28 |
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| jott | lcuk: you could test it from your work place ;) | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, did you ever encounter a problem when switching to dbus startup ? I have random crashes, not reproducible from the console | 20:29 |
| lcuk | :D heh i can | 20:29 |
| jott | (i gathered you can see your screen at home more or less from there :) | 20:29 |
| lcuk | dbus startup? | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, via the menu | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | jott, VNC has that effect | 20:30 |
| lcuk | what do you mean | 20:30 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, adding a shortcut in the maemo menu | 20:30 |
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| jott | crashanddie: nah, vnc is pathetic :/ | 20:30 |
| lcuk | no, i have a liqbase_run.sh script which is called by the menu item | 20:30 |
| lcuk | that calls sudo liqbase :) | 20:30 |
| lcuk | from the right folder | 20:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: 15 seconds crashes with dbus usually means it's not initalized right | 20:31 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, ah ? | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I'm going to have to eat your brain though, one of these days, you know too much | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, linky link ? | 20:31 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, IS the IBM linux kid | 20:31 |
| lcuk | actually, no he isnt - the kid from linuxtag bowels is | 20:31 |
| lcuk | jott, do you remember seeing him around | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: are the service names correct, are you calling osso_initalize etc ( i think), i'm not hot on dbus myself | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | translation for northerners: "the ki' fro' lynuxteeg bols is" | 20:32 |
| jott | lcuk hmm there where some kids playing with lego :P | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: lol | 20:32 |
| lcuk | lego robots and stuff yer | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, none of those | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, well, service names are correct, obviously, but osso_initialise can go fuck itself :P | 20:33 |
| crashanddie | I'll look into it, thanks for the hint Q | 20:33 |
| crashanddie | OMG | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: heh, let me search that reference pdf | 20:33 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12 IS Q | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, my favourite weapon is a British qwerty keyboard | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | any idea how i use the same code to build for x86 and maemo at the same time? | 20:37 |
| * qwerty12_N800 searches for my 1/2 assed rott port, that uses dbus w/out osso_initalize thanks to solmumaha | 20:37 | |
| johnx | lcuk, that's the problem scratchbox was invented to solve | 20:37 |
| johnx | I bet you didn't want to hear that... | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | no johnx - i want 2 binaries out of the same source so i can run on both | 20:39 |
| lcuk | i think i need to sync however - the .o files and binaries will conflict | 20:39 |
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| jott | lcuk: just build out of source then... | 20:39 |
| johnx | lcuk, right, you need to do the equiv of "make clean" first | 20:39 |
| johnx | rm *.o *.so liqbase-bin | 20:40 |
| lcuk | johnx, ill just decide on a primary source editing location, then to build sync it to the x86 and run build on both machines | 20:40 |
| lcuk | on the maemo side it takes too long to run that each time ;) | 20:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, fair enough, but in scratchbox you don't need to move the source around, just build once, switch targets, and build again | 20:41 |
| jott | lcuk: you could also use symlinks/hard and or mount your remote directory .. | 20:41 |
| lcuk | jott, yes i have sshfs or whatever it is called available | 20:41 |
| * lcuk is still pleased as punch it works on both sides | 20:42 | |
| jott | lcuk: as always your problem has a vast amount of solutions :) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | yer | 20:43 |
| lcuk | im gettin used to that now, and its not a bad thing | 20:43 |
| lcuk | ahhh jott, one more question - alpha blending, currently i am blending the entire image - do you normally expect to use it with a full alpha channel (ie from a png) | 20:44 |
| lcuk | or for now is arbitary blend0..255 option enough | 20:44 |
| jott | well normally you have an alpha channel. | 20:45 |
| lcuk | so i need a create alpha from image (for jpegs etc) and give it a mask color | 20:45 |
| lcuk | obviously pngs have a full channel | 20:46 |
| * lcuk wonders how to do alpha channels with 2 different sized images | 20:46 | |
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| jott | http://o-hand.com/ oh it's intel now. | 20:48 |
| lcuk | hence the question earlier.. | 20:48 |
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| jott | lcuk: well i expect an image to have an alpha channel, the blending operation has a constant value. | 20:50 |
| jott | i wonder how nokia thinks about the aquistion... | 20:50 |
| lcuk | yes, its a combine of the pixelperhaps certain staff members wishift back under the nokia umbrella, or nokia themselves dont care | 20:51 |
| lcuk | shit - wasnt finished answerin the blend q | 20:51 |
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| jott | haha answer mesh up :D | 20:51 |
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| johnx | grrr...fluxbox really doesn't behave well with only one "mouse button" | 20:52 |
| lcuk | yes, its a combine of the specified blend with the actual pixel blend attempting to be blitted | 20:53 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, well, it was designed as a two buttoned environment | 20:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I know. but some things "degrade" more gracefully from 2 or 3 buttons to 1 | 20:59 |
| johnx | without two buttons theres no way to close desktop menus for example... | 20:59 |
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| crashanddie | yup | 20:59 |
| XTL | Or play Sam & Max | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | ok jott, ive transformed the algo to include a "fake" alpha channel (just the regular data channel) and it appears to work still, ill thread that in the code and when i have an alpha channel available i will make use of it - otherwise i will use the standard simple blend | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, less than zero | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RogerS with yet another lackluster overly dramatic blog post. | 21:46 |
| johnx | but hey, on the other hand, the thread on UI discussions is terrifyingly civil | 21:46 |
| johnx | like people got tired of constantly flaming | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get the stylus-only approach. | 21:47 |
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| johnx | it's the people who started on Palms | 21:48 |
| johnx | or winMo devices or whatever | 21:48 |
| lbt | or who value the precision... | 21:48 |
| lbt | BTW, johnx, you mentioned a maemo-mapper db patch earlier | 21:49 |
| johnx | but that's more like the stylus-sometimes, thumbs for quick tasks group | 21:49 |
| johnx | precision when you need it, etc | 21:49 |
| lbt | oh, OK, yes, mixed stylus and occasional fingers | 21:49 |
| lbt | I need to make my shopper more finger friendly :) | 21:49 |
| lbt | (finger scrolling in gtk would be a nice start!) | 21:50 |
| johnx | lbt, http://code.google.com/p/mmpcmapper/ | 21:50 |
| lbt | ta | 21:50 |
| johnx | sure, it seems to work rather well, but it's not updated to track the very latest maemo mapper releases | 21:51 |
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| johnx | it's only up to 2.3 IIRC | 21:51 |
| lbt | This project is to develop a collection of **Windows** PC software | 21:51 |
| lbt | is it? | 21:52 |
| lbt | just windows stuff I mean? | 21:52 |
| johnx | don't pay attention to that part :) | 21:52 |
| johnx | nah, it's some windows tools and the modified maemo mapper binaries | 21:52 |
| johnx | (and a patch I think) | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: that would be good combined with shuma's patch to draw maps faster or something like that | 21:52 |
| lbt | yes, OK, it takes some reading... :) | 21:53 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I didn't even know about that | 21:53 |
| johnx | lbt, yeah, it looks like it's updated kind of randomly, a bit at a time | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yeah, he made a mod of mm that can overlay google traffic amd i'm pretty sure he speeded up drawing... let me bring it up | 21:54 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah, I saw that part | 21:54 |
| johnx | yeah, that would be neat, but without a GPS I don't use maemo mapper all that much :/ | 21:55 |
| * qwerty12_N800 should merge these 2 forks together | 21:55 | |
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| lbt | johnx: I got a cheapo BT GPS logger as suggested by GA - kinda interesting... | 21:56 |
| johnx | yeah, I need to get one soon | 21:56 |
| derf | Cheapo BT GPS = <3 | 21:57 |
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| johnx | a *good* bt gps and a persistent data connection are on my "really want list" | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I started on a Newton | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I still don't understand. :P | 21:57 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you obviously don't have problems coping with change | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | no, he still uses his newton | 21:58 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, right, that's the point I was getting at... | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, there's hardly a difference between a cheap GPS and a good GPS these days. | 21:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess I should just find someplace that ships internationally and pull the trigger then... | 21:58 |
| lbt | johnx: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/i-Blue-747-Bluetooth-GPS-Data-Logger-51-Ch-Navigation_W0QQitemZ160276831078QQ | 21:58 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: tell that the nokia engineers :P | 21:59 |
| tank-man | i got that gps unit, quick to lock on | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, OK, s/GPS/Bluetooth GPS/ | 21:59 |
| lcuk | theres nothing wrong with the chip, its the antenna thats the problem | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The chip sucks too | 21:59 |
| johnx | lcuk, no, there's something wrong with the chip :) | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an AGPS dependent piece of junk. :P | 21:59 |
| tank-man | err, not that unit. my bad | 21:59 |
| lcuk | winmodem :D | 21:59 |
| lbt | yes, and it logs data, and there is unix support | 21:59 |
| johnx | and it's the bottom of the barrel in that category too | 22:00 |
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| johnx | lbt, I'll probably just get a normal BT GPS...I don't think I have much use for data logging | 22:00 |
| lbt | almost the same price - and it means you get GPS data without needing the tablet. | 22:00 |
| johnx | the tablets always on me though | 22:01 |
| danielvaz | anybody know how to implement inertial effect on scrooling a graphic at a gtk.DrawingArea? | 22:01 |
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| lbt | not when I'm skiing | 22:01 |
| johnx | I can't carry my tablet when you ski? | 22:01 |
| lbt | <grin> | 22:01 |
| johnx | :P | 22:01 |
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| lbt | and I want to save what routes I've done... 'cos I never read the trail maps... | 22:01 |
| moontiger | lbt, hey :) | 22:02 |
| lbt | hi moontiger | 22:02 |
| johnx | whatever I can get shipped for the cheapest will likely determine what I buy... | 22:02 |
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| moontiger | lbt, do u have an email i can send you some thoughts on the shopper app? | 22:02 |
| lbt | there you go | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, just make sure it's MTK | 22:03 |
| lbt | I'm adding the help and then I think I'll push it to extras as a first public release (barring any bugs/tweaks of course) | 22:04 |
| johnx | so MTK is what the cool kids have now? | 22:04 |
| tank-man | yea that chipset is good | 22:04 |
| lbt | I did a fair amount of research and the i-Blue range came up a lot as a good buy | 22:04 |
| lbt | I think they use the mtk chipset... yes | 22:05 |
| tank-man | you can leave it in the glove compartment in a car and still lock on | 22:06 |
| lbt | and it works with heated front screens too :) | 22:06 |
| lbt | in case you need that ;) | 22:07 |
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| johnx | is there only one "mtk" chipset? or all they all equally good? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | MTK and MTK+ | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's not a huge difference, though. | 22:09 |
| johnx | guh, $30 shipping on a $43 gps... | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just get the regular old i-Blue 737 and be done with it. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't buy locally? | 22:10 |
| johnx | I really haven't seen many (any?) locally | 22:10 |
| johnx | it's all complete GPS/mobile tv receivers | 22:10 |
| johnx | plus, everyone's cell phone has gps and everyone's car, too | 22:11 |
| lcuk | danielvaz, kinetic scrolling is essentially holding the latest mouse delta then for every frame whilst you still have a delta you adjust the offset (and decrease the delta by a fraction) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | (fraction is based on time since last position update | 22:12 |
| danielvaz | thanks lcuk :) | 22:12 |
| moontiger | i use a sirf3 based navibe and it rocks | 22:14 |
| lcuk | delta=(lastmouse.y-mouse.y); pos+=delta; render(); then once per frame: if(delta) { pos+=delta--; render(); } | 22:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MTK is cheaper, more efficient and more agile than SiRF III | 22:15 |
| johnx | I've been out of the GPS game for so long I don't even know the features. this ebay ad talks about "sensibility" and 'every low electricity cost' in addition to a 'humanized design' | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you should buy that one ASAP. :P | 22:17 |
| johnx | heh...it also has free shipping... | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | lbt, this made me think of you http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3019.jpg | 22:19 |
| lbt | cool - a logo :) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:20 |
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| moontiger | i heard that MTK isnt as good for walking and other slow speeds | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I don't have any trouble there | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I do a lot of slow tracking | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, the power consumption is SIGNIFICANTLY better than SiRF III | 22:41 |
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| johnx | I'll grab an i-blue 737 as soon as I can find one with *reasonable* shipping costs | 22:43 |
| johnx | <mumbles>there has to be one locally... | 22:43 |
| moontiger | hmmmmm ok ... mine works great for me so i guess in practical terms its all the same | 22:44 |
| moontiger | :) | 22:44 |
| moontiger | johnx, the 737 is for the track history stuff yes? | 22:44 |
| johnx | er, I think that was the 747 | 22:44 |
| lbt | yep, 747 has a logger | 22:44 |
| johnx | if I need to keep a track, I'll just pair it to the tablet | 22:44 |
| moontiger | right | 22:48 |
| moontiger | i was going to say also that the logger stuff was apparently crap anyways :) | 22:49 |
| lbt | it's not :) | 22:50 |
| lbt | it works really well actually - I can download it to Viking | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why crap? | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It just stores a track to its internal memory that you can dump to a computer. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Simple, sure, but what more would you want? | 22:51 |
| lbt | oh, and you can press the button on the device to basically say 'mark' | 22:52 |
| johnx | thanks for all the advice guys. I'm off to bed | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | nini johnx | 22:56 |
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| moontiger | i read a big review of it and apparently the data gets lost easily and has a windows app to actually get the data from the device | 23:36 |
| moontiger | maybe they improved it in the last year | 23:37 |
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| moontiger | i did a bunch of research before buying the one i have and since it "just works" (tm) i didnt keep up with newer stuff | 23:39 |
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| Anunakin | NSP2 compiled for Maemo 4.1, not hildonized .... | 23:44 |
| Anunakin | http://maemo.vivaphp.net/pool/nsp2-cvs_20080828_armel.deb | 23:44 |
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| jott | Anunakin: what's NSP2? | 23:45 |
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| Anunakin | jott: A matlab like software http://cermics.enpc.fr/~jpc/nsp-tiddly/mine.html | 23:53 |
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| Anunakin | jott: but it not using same syntax... | 23:53 |
| Anunakin | NSP2 is the new name of scilabGTK | 23:54 |
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| lbt | moontiger: the reason I bought the iBlue 747 is the availability of opensource linux connectivity/drivers : http://bt747.wiki.sourceforge.net/ | 23:59 |
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