IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-08-27

lbtjust so I can have an ldap based address book that I can then sync to various devices, laptops, desktops, pdas, phones, car stereos, pictureframes, hifis....00:00
lbtanything that runs linux00:00
moontigerbut but but ... microsoft has those doesnt it? :rollseyes:00:00
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lbtreally, let me see...00:01
moontigerthat sounds like a really cool project actually00:01
moontigera networked address book00:01
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lbtwith cache so it works offline00:07
lbtslapd on the nit?00:07
lbtreplicated slapd - yep00:07
lbtI've managed to get Xen up so I have a load of virtual machines00:07
lbteach with a different groupware server00:08
lbtegroupware, citadel, kolab00:08
lbtegroupware is kinda nice but a bit abandonded00:08
lbtkolab is a bit 'different'00:08
lbtthey use openpkg00:08
lbtbut it looks like kde support it00:09
lbtand since we're getting Qt400:09
lbtthen I'm thinking kaddressbook00:09
lbtand kde-pim00:09
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lbtoh, how did shopper work out?00:10
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moontigerim teaching yesterday and today ... when i finish i can have a proper play around and get back to you ... tomorrow prolly00:13
moontigerit installed and seemed to run fine00:13
lbtthat's a start... :)00:14
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ryoohkiis the wimax edition out yet anywhere?00:19
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AlystairHi all, quick question about developing on the Nokia 77000:21
Alystairwhat are my options realistically, what kinds of languages can be used?00:22
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AlystairEg. standard web apps, flash, flash applications, normal executables00:22
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MangoFusionyou could make a web app. though beware as mobile browsers tend to be much slower than their desktop counterparts00:24
Alystairwhat language are normal applications for the device made in normally?00:25
AlystairI'd like to make a POS system for restaurants since the 770 is really cheap these days00:25
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pvandewyngaerdecan i put the browser fullscreen?00:27
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moontigerAlystair, python is good and quick and pretty easy00:28
jottAlystair: c/c++/python00:28
moontigeror of course c / c++00:28
jottpvandewyngaerde: press the fullscreen button?! :)00:28
moontigereither way you will use either gtk or (very recently) qt00:29
Alystairbah more languages for me to learn :)00:29
moontigerpython is fun00:29
moontigerc / c++ is... sublime00:29
Alystairit's what real coders use ;)00:29
pvandewyngaerdefound it, disable the bar in fullscreen00:29
moontigernaaaaaaaaa real coders use the wind ripples of a butterfly wing in japan to alter the bits on a magnetic....00:30
ryoohkiany news on when the wimax edition will be out?00:30
Alystairmoontiger: oh yeah there's an extension for emacs for that ;00:30
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Alystairyou're not the only one whom enjoys that comic :)00:31
jotthehe the whole life seems to be an xkcd refernce sometimes :P00:31
moontigerlove that00:31
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hellwolfI want to use flasher to load my home-brew kernel but without flash it, for debugging purpose, is it like this:" ./flasher-3.0 -l -k kernel.img -b"00:33
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jotthellwolf: yes. looks ok.00:35
hellwolfjott, what if I want to use non-linux kernel. How should I create that kind of kernel.00:35
moontigerjott... if i put another os on my n810 (like the xfce stuff available) can i put that on mt mmc1 (external) card?00:36
moontigermt = my00:36
hellwolfFor example, I want a small program only glitter the LED00:36
jottmoontiger: yes, you can put it on an external card.00:37
moontigernice :)00:37
jotthellwolf: why do you want to use a non-linux kernel for this?00:37
hellwolfjott, huh.. I want something cool :|00:38
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yacoobdeep freeze your tablet? :)00:39
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hellwolfjust for fun00:40
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Alystairhrm is the 800 worth an extra $80 over the 770?00:41
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jottAlystair: yes.00:41
mgedminAlystair: absoliutely00:41
LinuxCodeyes def00:41
LinuxCodeos2008 wont even run on the 770 or ?00:41
jottotoh a 770 is more robust i would say.00:42
LinuxCoderobust how ?00:42
jott(if you use it for resturants it might drop on the ground from time to time)00:42
LinuxCodeahh  plastic case00:42
LinuxCodedont they make neoprene sleeves yet ?00:42
LinuxCodeI bet some chinese guy came up with that00:43
Alystairah yeah I meant for personal use though :)00:43
AlystairI would only consider the 770 in the restaurant00:43
jottAlystair: then n800 no question.00:43
kruttis the 810 ok for 250 euro?00:43
LinuxCodesounds like a good price00:44
LinuxCodeif its brand new00:44
kruttyes it is00:45
jottkrutt: 250 for a new is very good.00:45
LinuxCodechpeast Uk price I can find atm is £23500:45
jottit costs 350eur at and amazon.de00:46
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kruttits mine00:46
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kruttno :P00:46
kruttconnection :P00:46
jottfell off the back of a lorry, eh? :)00:47
kruttlol, erm.. something like that00:48
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kruttmy sister bought it, dont know the price, i told her, "that is not a phone"00:51
kruttthats all ;)00:51
kruttso i payed 250 for it00:51
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jottah the good old "trick one with a nokia label" trick :P00:52
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patohkrutt: everywhere I have seen it advertised it says 'not a phone' :P00:52
BinkyHi everybody00:52
patohyet every day someone asks me what model my phone is :(00:52
andre___"nokia? they produce not only phones?" :-P00:52
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andre___i hear that all the time :)00:52
patohandre___: hey, they also produce overpriced accessories!00:53
kruttfunny things that make some of us happy ;)00:53
andre___right, i need that cute pink bag to protect my n810 ;-)00:54
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kruttmh, when does the 910 appear?00:54
Binkysomewhere in future00:54
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kruttbut its planed?00:55
lbtand chamfered00:55
BinkyI don't know. Maybe it's released with Freemantle and Qt support00:55
krutti thoght nokia comes out with 5 of those tablets00:55
Binky5 goals do not mean 5 tablets00:56
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Binkyand we don't know if the N810 WiMax is one of them00:56
kruttmh, wimax? never heared of00:56
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Binkykrutt, seriously?00:57
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BinkyNokia N810 Internet Tablet WiMax Edition00:58
BinkyN810 WiMax for friends00:58
AlystairN810 WiMax Useless Edition ;)00:58
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sxpertBinky, still wondering wtf they did that useless wimax thing01:00
lbtOK, I take it back - Kolab was fairly easy to setup01:01
kruttBinky: yes, but now i do ;)01:02
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kruttbut the black design is nice01:02
sxpertI'd rather have had a 802.11 a/b/g/n device01:02
sxpertand a better GPS01:03
kruttyea, but its black!01:03
kruttblack, wow wow01:03
kruttits an evil black tablet wow01:04
wizain diablo the gps is actually good01:04
sxpertwiza, hmm?01:04
wizaI get a lock in few seconds and it never even had problems with keeping the lock01:04
kruttszrem u read about this upgrade01:05
wizaa-gps stuff01:05
sxpertah. guess I'd need to upgrade or something01:05
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mavhcstill takes minutes here, sometimes 10 or so01:07
sxperthmm. of course, I'd have to find where the ** I put the bloody USB cable at01:08
sxpertgah, I whish there was a way to flash from the sd card or somethign01:10
sxpertand wiki ist kaputt01:11
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andre___sxpert, wiki works here01:22
GeneralAntillesHurricane hit worse where I wasn't than where I was. . . .01:23
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sxperthah. upgrade done. reinstalling apps ;)02:01
m-c-Any idea why typing with a bluetooth keyboard within Gmail causes text entry to be really really slow?02:05
GeneralAntillesgmail webmail?02:08
m-c-Yes, thanks02:08
GeneralAntillesDunno, probably some js stuff02:09
GeneralAntillesTry it with the HTML-only versionZ02:09
GeneralAntillesIt lags on my old G4 tower, too, fwiw.02:09
m-c-The web interface where you type the message.  It takes only 1 character a second02:09
m-c-I will try it, G.A.02:09
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GeneralAntillesAlternative option, have you tried Modest?02:09
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m-c-Yes, that fixes it.  Thanks!02:12
NeoStrider_hello there02:12
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NeoStrider_m-c-: whats going on?02:15
rm_youanyone know if Pandora is workable?02:18
rm_youPandora the music service, not Pandora the dev platform :P02:18
GeneralAntillesNot on the tablets, I don't think02:18
GeneralAntillesI dunno, though02:18
GeneralAntillesActually, it may be.02:18
GeneralAntillesTry it.02:18 is cooler though02:18
rm_youfriend says it is like02:19
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, I'm poking you about the 770 bug again.02:22
rm_youthe rotate>02:22
GeneralAntillesIt's enabled all the time.02:22
rm_youlet me check the code now02:22
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GeneralAntillesWhich causes trouble, as I don't think there's up-to-date rotation support for the 770. ;)02:22
GeneralAntillesI would probably just disable it on the 770 no matter what02:23
rm_yousad i never found time to finish putting together the "rotation-support" package02:23
GeneralAntillesAlso, can you add a manual override to turn the rotation selector off if support is installed?02:23
rm_youin options, sure02:23
GeneralAntillesIf Nokia decides to ship an enabled kernel and xserver, then some people may want to disable it.02:23
rm_youchances of them doing that?02:24
GeneralAntillesEh, who knows.02:24
GeneralAntillesThey do ship xrandr02:24
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GeneralAntillesThe direction they're moving, higher than, say, a year ago. ;)02:24
jotti would say pretty low. no real benefit on their side :/02:24
GeneralAntillesBut no telling, really.02:24
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GeneralAntillesPoke David Stone at the Summit about it. ;)02:25
m-c-How do you think the NIT 333 MHz ARM processor compares to a 300 MHz x86 processor from 10 years ago?02:25
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rm_youwait, does 770 SHIP with xrandr enabled kernel/xserver?!02:26
rm_youlike, not really functional, but ENABLED?02:26
m-c-I just installed Damn Small Linux on a 300 MHz system and I have been really surprised how much better the performance, of the NIT, is compared to that old computer.02:28
GAN800It doesn't02:30
GAN800rotation doesn't work02:30
sin18does anyone know when lib4xpm will be ready for diablo (need that package for virtual keyboard - dosbox) on n800 ?02:30
GeneralAntillesm-c-, the tablets run at 400MHz02:31
GeneralAntillesWoo OS200502:32
GeneralAntilles(OS2005 was teh suck)02:32
jottsound like it could work if we just mode=OMAPFB_AUTO_UPDATE; ioctl(fb, OMAPFB_SET_UPDATE_MODE, &mode);02:32
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jottor what happens when rotating? :)02:33
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GeneralAntillesNot much good02:33
GeneralAntillesYou can rotate02:33
GeneralAntillesbut you can't get back02:33
GeneralAntillesScreen is mostly garbage02:33
m-c-GeneralAntilles: I was also thinking the hard drive from 10 years ago is a lot slower than the Media the NIT uses02:33
jotti mean, could it work with automatic update enabled?02:33
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m-c-I have noticed audio streams - like listening to a radio station online -will take a couple minutes to start playing.02:36
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m-c-Anyhow, playing around with a desktop computer running a processor in the <500MHz speed really makes me appreciate what the NIT is capable of doing, especially since it is 1/100th the size of the desktop.02:39
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jottGeneralAntilles: could you try this on a 770?
jottor anyone else with a 770 and check if rotation works with it. just a try :)02:45
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GeneralAntillesInstalling. . . .02:46
GeneralAntillesjott, 770 isn't up to Diablo02:47
GeneralAntilleslibglib, libhildondestop0, libhildonwm0, libosso102:48
GeneralAntilles2.12.12-1osso, 1:2.0.18-1, 1:2.0.18-1, 2.16 respectively02:48
jottugh, right02:49
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jottGeneralAntilles: same location.
jottbuild with chinook, this should hopefully be installable.02:54
GeneralAntillesWeird widgets03:03
crashanddieWho builds advanced backlight ?03:03
jottthe autobuilder usually :P03:03
crashanddiewhy "usually" ?03:03
jottbecause pre-releases are sometimes build manually :)03:04
crashanddieoooh, ok :)03:04
crashanddieI know that :P03:04
GeneralAntillesWell, uh, the bar widgets are really short03:04
jottGeneralAntilles: what happens? :O03:04
GeneralAntillesRotation works better03:04
GeneralAntillesBut the Xserver seems confused about where taps are going.03:04
GeneralAntillesBut, uh, the screen looks fine.03:04
jottah ok so the input events are not translated :/03:05
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jottwell i can commit it for now. it's a progress :)03:05
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crashanddiejott, I'm working on the progress bar in CR03:05
GeneralAntillesthey seem semi-translated03:05
GeneralAntillesI can hit stuff on the taskbar fine03:05
GeneralAntillesBut not on the statusbar03:05
jottcrashanddie: nice.03:05
jottGeneralAntilles: strange...03:05
GeneralAntillesOr the application03:05
plaerzenhey guys.  I'm seriously confused.  When I try to move something in maemo on my n810 - it says 'mv: cannot remove '/usr/local/share/tf-lib.tgz': no such file or directory'  but there is such file or directory.03:06
GeneralAntillesRotated charging screen03:06
GeneralAntillesthat's pretty funny03:06
GeneralAntillesOh hell, jott, reboot didn't unrotate it.03:06
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GeneralAntillesThere it goes03:07
GeneralAntillesAC power weirdness03:07
jotti just enabled autoupdate of the lcd :O03:07
GeneralAntillesIt's fine now. ;)03:07
jottoh i realzied you got an intermediate version i started hacking on a few weeks ago :)03:09
jottwith different layout, right? :)03:09
crashanddielol @ rizla paper having a paper saying "ONLY 10 LEFT"03:09
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_annex_hi all, has anyone done a quick n dirty port of glxgears to Vincent, (or any OpenGL ES implementation) ?03:15
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crashanddiewait, what ?03:16
crashanddieVincent ?03:16
GeneralAntillesThere's a software glgears03:16
GeneralAntillesThere was just a post on Planet about software 3D, actually.03:16
_annex_glgears is written to OpenGL no?03:17
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_annex_I'm not concerned with the glX part actually, I can port that stuff over to DirectFB myself, must the OpenGL->ES mods03:17
_annex_I'd like to use it as a reference for future ports03:18
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rm_youjott: playing with a different widget layout for ABL? lol03:28
jottrm_you: hehe yeah started and never finished :)03:28
rm_youdid you commit it? :P03:28
jottshould i?03:28
rm_youno :P03:29
rm_youdamn, being president of two student organizations is a PITA03:29
jottthen resign :D03:29
rm_youone of them would just die03:29
jott"so long suckers" :)03:30
rm_youthe other... i would be killed :P03:30
rm_youlynch mobs are no fun03:30
rm_youyou want me to kill the ACM? :/03:30
rm_youlocal ACM chapter is running because I want it to, pretty much with sheer willpower. if i left, it would collapse03:31
rm_youanyway, i gotta run03:31
jotthave fun03:31
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ChuangJiangqemu: Unsupported syscall: 33805:03
ChuangJiangUse default signal file name 'signalfile_1219802577.txt'05:03
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ChuangJiangI've met the above error message in the scratchbox.05:05
ChuangJiangWho could give me any advice? TIA.05:05
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moontiger_looks like qemu doesnt support a hardware feature to me05:08
ChuangJiangTO moontiger_: Thank you your reply so much.05:09
ChuangJiangNow, what can I do ?05:09
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moontiger_i cant say for sure and im no expert on his but of course google it (if you havent already) and what were you doing anyways?05:10
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ChuangJiangI've googled it but have not solved it yet. I'm building in the scratchbox.05:13
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moontiger_ahhhhhhhh right05:15
moontiger_i remember from last week05:15
moontiger_do you have java working?05:16
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moontiger_can you run OO without java?05:18
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moontigeranything else printed out with that error?05:22
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moontigerChuangJiang, it does need java for some functionality ... i assume you have disabled those parts in the build yes?05:24
moontigerhmmmmmmmmm all i can imagine is that something needed isnt supported in the emulation05:27
moontigersorry i cant help anymore :|05:27
ChuangJiangThank you anyway.05:28
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BryanLASHey all07:11
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BryanLASWrote up a little article on Maemo games... feel free to digg it to give maemo a little exposure.07:11
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BryanLASYa know.  If you feel so inclined. :)07:12
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CptLaptopnumpty physics need more included levels07:21
BryanLASBut it's pretty awesome. :)07:22
GeneralAntillesIt needs a built-in level downloader07:22
CptLaptophave to try that pengupop game07:23
BryanLASSo true.  That would be fantastic.07:23
CptLaptopi lovve bust  a move07:23
BryanLASHeh, same!07:23
CptLaptopthere was this game07:26
CptLaptop contraptions or what it was called07:26
CptLaptopwindows game07:26
CptLaptopclone of that would pwn07:26
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CptLaptopit had all sorts or devices and such you'd place around the screen to make something happen, rube goldberg style07:28
GeneralAntillesThat's an old one07:28
GeneralAntillesEnigmo is another clone07:28
GeneralAntillesI played that one in the 90s07:28
GeneralAntillesForget the name, though.07:28
CptLaptopi played contraptions in school07:29
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CptLaptopteacher used it to help us think or whatnot07:29
CptLaptoploved it07:29
CptLaptoppfft work07:30
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BryanLASSeriously though.  If any off you use digg.  Let's get a Maemo story to the front page:
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dougtso, i don't understand these watchdogs.07:49
dougtif I write an application that eats all of the CPU, i can cause the device to reboot instead of having the OS just kill my process?07:50
GeneralAntillesNot quite07:51
GeneralAntillesBut I dunno the specifics07:52
GeneralAntillesThat's a maemo-developers question07:52
dougtmailing list?07:53
* dougt found it.
dougtis there a irc channel for dev questions?07:53
GeneralAntillesBut the people best able to answer watchdog questions are on the mailing list07:54
GeneralAntillesIgor Stoppa is your man07:54
elekhey GA does this player work on microB http://jiwa.fm07:57
elekflash player07:57
elekthe ones i've tried before didn't and now i don't have my nit with me07:58
GeneralAntillesBroken URL07:58
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GeneralAntillesDoesn't really seem to be, but I dunno.08:06
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elekyeah it's probably the same flash player modified08:10
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Luriaok, so i flirted with the eee, but mostly came back to my n8x0...08:34
BryanLASI did something similar.08:35
Luriabut i think openpandora (if i can get one) will finally pull me away08:35
BryanLASLove my Eee... but the N810 stays closer.08:35
GeneralAntillesI want an ARM netbook08:36
Luriai dont know if the screen is transflective; thats about all i want08:36
LuriaGeneralAntilles, have you seen the specs on the pandora?08:36
GeneralAntillesLuria, yes, I'm very familiar with OMAP308:36
Luriaah, ok08:36
GeneralAntillesBut it's not netbook08:36
GeneralAntillesIt's a DS08:36
BryanLASYeah, it's really the spiritual successor to the GP2x.08:37
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Luriathe ds has a qwerty keyboard?08:37
GeneralAntillesIt's the size and shape of a DS08:37
GeneralAntillesNot a netbook and not an internet tablet.08:38
BryanLASReally though... DS shape + a thumboard... has a lot of potential.08:38
GeneralAntillesMeh, I don't care for it.08:38
dougtbut, if you drop a ds, it isn't going to blow up.08:38
GeneralAntillesI'd rather have the tablet.08:38
Luriaand more power than a nokia08:38
Luriaand working 3d08:38
GeneralAntillesLuria, N90008:38
Luriaand svideo out08:38
BryanLASI think I'm with you there.  The tablet is probably more my thing...08:38
GeneralAntillesThe N8x0 is basically 1.5 years old at this point.08:39
BryanLASAny news on the n900?08:39
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GeneralAntillesNokia does not announce future hardware plans. ;)08:39
GeneralAntillesNo, no FCC docs.08:39
Luriaand yet, the n810 wimax is the same thing again08:39
GeneralAntillesErm, yeah, duh.08:39
GeneralAntillesIt's SUPPOSED to be the same thing08:39
Luriai know, what i mean is this:08:40
GeneralAntillesN900 with OMAP3430 is somewhere in the Q4 2008 - Q2 200908:40
GeneralAntillesThe Pandora hasn't shipped08:40
GeneralAntillesGet back to me when it ships.08:40
Luria while i know there is a future for the platform, if the n810w comes out ~oct, would nokia undercut its sales by releasing the n900 so quickly?08:40
Luriano, but there are dev kit pandoras08:41
GeneralAntillesDev kits don't count.08:41
GeneralAntillesForget the WiMAX08:41
Luria(recall the if i can get one)08:41
GeneralAntillesIt's not relevant to the larger plan.08:41
Luriathats good to hear08:41
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GeneralAntillesI mean, what, it's supported in all of 6 or 7 US cities?08:42
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GeneralAntillesYou know the WiMAX tablet was originally going to be the N800W, right?08:42
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Grackle_Wow, I just tried lcuk's liqbase demo. I really like that reader he's working on.08:42
GeneralAntillesThe "undercut" argument doesn't really work08:43
Luriai dunno, HOPE's pipe was a 20/30 mbit connection over the hudson - yes, i know this is more point to point and not last mile wireless08:43
GeneralAntillesas the competition will start chiseling away Nokia's market if they sit with OMAP2 for too long.08:43
Luriabut it was commerical wimax08:43
BryanLASDefinitely interested in what the next N9xx looks like.  -REALLY- hoping Nokia doesn't drop the qwerty.08:44
* GeneralAntilles is hoping they do.08:44
Luriayes, i havent touched my n800 since the n81008:44
GeneralAntillesThe thumbboard on the N810 sucks08:44
Luriayes, it needs more travel08:44
BryanLASHonestly... no qwerty... I ditch.08:44
BryanLASDeal breaker level.08:44
BryanLASIt may not be great... but it's needed.08:45
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Luriahope they put a real gps chipset in08:45
GeneralAntillesThere's no way they'll drop it08:45
GeneralAntillesI just don't care for it.08:45
BryanLASFair enough. :)08:45
GeneralAntillesI can type a lot faster on the fkb than that shitty thumb board.08:45
GeneralAntillesI want one of those haptic 770s they demoed.08:45
Luriayeah, but you cant see the rest of the screen08:46
Luriahaptic 770?08:46
Lurianever saw that08:46
BryanLAS(btw: if you haven't yet... feel free to digg this maemo games post:  )08:46
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to prod that "Nokia fails at changelogs" thread on -developers for me?08:50
GeneralAntillesI was hoping for more of a response. . . .08:50
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tank-manmore TSP Reports!09:11
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RST38hGAN: Is prodding going to be of any use?09:19
GeneralAntillesWell, I got a response out of 3 engineers.09:20
GeneralAntillesNow we just need to bring it up back near the top again to get more. ;)09:20
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GeneralAntillesBy prodding, I mean prodding the thread, not the Nokia employees.09:20
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pupniktank-man: most subersive movie ever09:26
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pupniklol you people have no clue what's coming09:36
pupnikenjoy feeding the rats09:36
pupnikwith your bodies09:36
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* GeneralAntilles launches breaded and deep-fried pigeons at pupnik.09:42
* Proteous points to his mouth09:42
ProteousRIGHT HERE09:42
* GeneralAntilles launches more at Proteous.09:42
* GeneralAntilles hits Proteous in the eye.09:42
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Here's g_serial. Whether it actually works is a different matter...
Stskeepsqwerty12: oh, neat :)10:30
Stskeepsfor 2.6.21?10:31
qwerty12Yeah, compiled from diablo sources with nokia_2420_defconfig10:31
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AddisonGreetings and salutations everyone!  :)10:32
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AddisonI demand some attention!  :p10:37
* aquatix pats Addison 10:38
* Stskeeps passes Addison a rat10:38
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aquatixthere's a good Addison10:39
RST38hHeh, US air traffic is stuck again10:39
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* RST38h is praying to the Deep Ones to prevent another US ATC cluster fuck on August 2910:40
qwerty12morning hrw10:40
* qwerty12 is bored. me looks into replacing fb-progress with splashy.10:43
qwerty12userspace bootsplash replacement10:45
RST38hNot *another* Tux picture10:45
qwerty12Hehe, Tux with a gun to his head won't satisfy you?10:45
Stskeepsif i'm going to put a bootsplash on deblet, it's going to be the deblet logo, molesting tux10:46
aquatixRST38h: you can put the bsd devil or boobies in there too10:46
RST38hI just want that stupid penguin gone10:46
qwerty12Drown him in some Finnish lake somewhere.10:46
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RST38hSame goes for the devil, although with a lesser degree10:46
aquatixor that bloathed fish10:47
hrwfb-progress is that blue line?10:47
qwerty12fb-progress is open source actually10:47
RST38hhrw: Wanted to ask, are you a regular employee of Openedhand?10:47
aquatixqwerty12: can't you better channel your time/energy in some synching software? :)10:47
aquatixcontacts/agenda synching or something10:48
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hrwRST38h: no, I was contractor for OH10:48
qwerty12aquatix: I'm a lowly compiler :). I haz no programming knowledge except for the bits I've picked up here and there10:48
qwerty12It's a shame NOLO sucks as a bootloader, the only way to pass kernel arguments is to recompile the kernel itself.10:49
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* Stskeeps is sure qwerty12 will make something big of himself someday10:49
RST38hhrw: Oh, ok..10:49
qwerty12Heh, thanks :)10:49
RST38hqwerty: Got a request for the lowly compiler then10:49
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qwerty12Come on, you know a hell of a lot more than me :P10:50
RST38hIt was requested by a few more people lately10:51
qwerty12Hmm, I think I tried that one once to no avail, I'll try again :). Meanwhile, people have it working in chroot.10:51
RST38hyea, but it is useless for people who have no debian installed10:52
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qwerty12True, I'll start installing/building dependencies.10:54
aquatixooh, qalculate would be cool10:54
aquatixqwerty12: can't you base it on debian's package?10:54
qwerty12aquatix: aye, I can build it using debian modifications but libraries are different in maemo so different results10:55
Stskeepssometimes i really wonder about debian dependancies.. like, wtf is there 'radeontool' (for ATI Radeon), .. on armel?10:55
aquatixqwerty12: ah, true10:55
aquatixStskeeps: lol10:56
qwerty12Stskeeps: armel users need their overclocking fix :P10:56
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pupnikqwerty12: try this
pupnikdavid sylvian - orpheus11:00
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qwerty12Interesting video :)11:01
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AddisonPupnik!   What's up you scum lapping piece of dirt?  :)11:02
pupnikyour words ring true11:02
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Stskeepsit's kinda scary that kde3 is so snappy on tablet11:08
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* qwerty12 notes never to compile math libraries again11:30
RST38hBTW, f@#king Modest no longer crashes but it gets stuck now and then11:31
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qwerty12RST38h: Still compiling after a long time :D11:32
RST38hI hope you are not compiling it on the tablet11:32
qwerty12I haven't even got started on qcalculate11:32
qwerty12hell no, I ain't lcuk11:32
XTL heh11:33
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RST38hGentlemen, please check out this bug:
RST38hAnd bloody confirm it11:37
qwerty12Sorry, don't use modest here.11:38
RST38hyea, I understand :(11:38
qwerty12f*** me, after taking ages to compile, the debian/rules had a make check in it >.<11:38
* sp3000 hasn't seen that, not that I invoke the ui that often11:39
GeneralAntillesRST38h, did you notice my call-out to the Modest devs? :P11:39
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RST38hGAN: I am not following mailing lists - too much other stuff =(11:42
RST38hMaybe I should though11:42
RST38hGAN: Changelog referring to bug numbers is normal11:43
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RST38hThat is how most companies operate - when you submit a change, you refer to a bug tracker entry11:44
JaffaRST38h: But a) the Modest bug tracker should be the open Bugzilla, b) it should also say *how* it's fixed the bug.11:44
* RST38h does not, but a lot of coworkers do11:44
* Jaffa slaps anyone here who *solely* refers to a JIRA issue.11:44
aquatixRST38h: ah, i've encountered that too11:44
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Agreed. Modest devs seem singularly insular.11:44
RST38hSomebody else should take over from them11:45
RST38hSomebody realistic11:45
* aquatix uses claws-mail now though11:45
qwerty12Someone should dpkg-repack the old email client11:45
RST38haquatix: Do confirm the bug though - if nobody does, these guys will ignore it11:45
qwerty12I'd do it but I can't be arsed to mount chinook rootfs and shove it all into a DIABLO_ARMEL target11:45
* qwerty12 yawns, shit finally compiled. I'll put up the packages so no one else has to go through hell11:46
qwerty12Well, the math library anyway11:46
GeneralAntilles#ffd086 seems like it'd be a bit less irritating a background color for the Bugzilla footer. . . .11:47
RST38hsdk+ has finally got diablo rootstrap11:48
aquatixRST38h: busy thinking what my maemo bugzilla pw was :)11:48
RST38hreboooting to linsux11:48
aquatixRST38h: you can always install freebsd or something ;)11:49
aquatix[if you think linux sucks :)]11:49
GeneralAntillesSo, uh, who's gonna be working on the new look at the Summit. :P11:50
qwerty12"FreeBSD welcome screen" -
qwerty12Oh yeah, I so want to be welcomed to that11:50
XTLIt gets worse after that, though11:50
aquatixqwerty12: hm, that's an almost readable thumb11:50
aquatixbut indeed11:50
* qwerty12 clicked copy image location, not copy link >.<11:51
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RST38haquatix: And how am I gonna use Maemo sdk?11:56
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RST38hWhat is wrong with this screen?11:57
AddisonHey qwerty....  Have you looked at the keyboards yet?11:58
RST38hI see it every morning. Looks fine, except that some Linux fan seems to have changed csh to bash11:58
qwerty12Addison: not yet11:58
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AddisonI never liked you qwerty!  :)11:58
aquatixRST38h: erm, VM? :P11:59
RST38haquatix: no, thanks11:59
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pupnikif i ever meet a viagra spammer, i will disembowel him with my fingers12:00
aquatixRST38h: :)12:00
qwerty12pupnik: I'd use bricks instead...12:02
GAN800Force feed them viagra.12:03
qwerty12Sigh, more NB madness:
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GAN800Nokia Bug12:05
GAN800Masking the email domains? odd12:05
RST38h+ lsd, then let them roam through Salt Lake City naked12:06
GAN800Salt Lake? Bleh, boring. Make that SF. They might get some action there. ;)12:07
Stskeeps"forbidden words".. wtf :P12:07
qwerty12SF? Make that Guantánamo Bay. They can have a cock meat sandwich.12:08
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RST38hGAN: We want him lynched, not raped!12:11
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floriangood morning13:03
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AddisonDon't listen to qwerty, he's an animal!  *lol*13:20
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RST38hwhat animal is he?13:25
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liria bad one I think13:35
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Khertan_n810one of you use gdata here ?13:49
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* L0cutus need mldonkey on maemo :)13:57
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qwerty12L0cutus: Compile it and share, I hate the time to compile that :P.I'm using Transmission and gtk-gnutella atm13:58
L0cutustransmission is only for *torrent right ?13:58
qwerty12Someone's uploaded rtorrent in extras too13:59
L0cutusmmm i don't use torrent very much unfortunately14:00
L0cutus*mule is what i need :-)14:00
lcukjott, basic alpha blending works nicely :)14:01
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JaffaGAN800: free's changelog is fantastic.14:05
JaffaGAN800: are his scripts public?14:05
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qwerty12_N800Jaffa: + vi14:06
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* Khertan_n810 don t understand why sync with googlecalendar is so long14:16
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Khertan_n810someone know how modest store the alarmd cookies for the autosync14:18
Khertan_n810because i think it store it as we can t get a list of ecisting alarm14:19
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lcukhi there lardman, did you enjoy your weekend?14:21
qwerty12_N800hi lardman14:21
lardmanhey qwerty12_N80014:21
lardmanlcuk: not especially, looking at wedding venues, very stressful14:21
lardmanlcuk: you?14:22
lcukooooh, it was for you - i thought you were goin to someone elses wedding14:22
lardmanyeah, that was the weekend before last14:22
lcukmapart from raging toothache (which is now cured) code has been goin great14:22
lardmanurgh, dentist14:22
lcukive done the physics view using all jpegs found on my computer - with alpha blended bitmaps :)14:23
lardmancool :)14:23
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lcukobviously its not as smooth when im drawing multiple fullscreen overlapping eleements, but when its not entire screen its niiiiice and fast14:23
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lcuki installed canola yesterday to have a look at its alpha blending goodness - and a couplf of things jumped out - how slow and limited the movement actually is - its using the smalled amount of blending possible and it still jerks14:25
lcukand the media library doesnt fill up instantly14:25
lcuki have my software set to do recursive directory scans of /home and /media and it completes and builds a filelist in ~ 1-2 seconds14:26
lcuki dont understand why file lists cannot be the same ..14:26
lardmanshame Canola isn't open source so you could tweak it14:26
lcukyer, i know some of it is, and the meta data inside files is important, but to be told ive got no movies or music or anything on my device is wrong14:27
lcukeven if it was "43 files, listing by name" then as meta info loaded its includable14:27
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lcukim thinking about a realtime search like the apple searchbox14:28
qwerty12_N800the media scanner part of it is oss14:28
lcukyer qwerty12_N800 but to understand how it slots in would really need canola source14:28
lcukim not gonna dig into something i will have to say "imagine canola is running xyz now"14:29
lcukwould it be evil if i used the media scanner ;)14:29
lcuklardman, did you find a venue then?14:31
Khertan_n810lcuk: it ll be really take time to parse metadata14:32
Khertan_n810so if you use metalayer-crawler14:32
lardmanlcuk: looked at 16! narrowed it down14:32
Khertan_n810expect useless device for 4 hours after inserting an 6Go sd card14:32
lcukKhertan_n810, it doesnt matter, i can build a filelist uickly and let another thread start churning at the extra meta data - but the interface should be usable instantly is what i am saying14:32
lcuklardman, !!!! 16 thats a lot of vicars14:33
lardmanlcuk: just for the reception, church is known already14:33
lcukahhhh thats ok then14:33
lcukwhen is the big day?14:33
* lardman is even looking forward to debugging dsp-tremor over doing more costing spreadhseets14:34
lardmanaiming for end of May/start of June next year14:34
lcukand have you checked it doesnt clash with maemo summit/nokia day/football/x factor/enders special etc14:34
lardmanno, but that'll just cut costs ;)14:35
lcukleave the beancounting to the bestman, you carry on debugging tremor :D14:35
lardmanlcuk: Holly and I are paying the lion's share though, so I need to do bean counting14:35
lardmananyway, will crack on with Tremor at lunch time14:36
lcuklol, its bloody expensive all the wedding stuff14:36
lardmantell me about it! :)14:36
lcukdid you see the couple that managed it on about £40014:36
lcuki think they had a mcdonalds or something :D14:37
lardmanlol, I did think of throwing that at the mother in law14:37
lardmanI need to debug the crc code again, painful after spending all that time re-writing it and the bit-reading code to read from the 16bit chars14:39
lardmannow gone to only storing 8bits in each 16bit char, which will hopefully make getting something up and running easier - converting the code back, I spotted loads of things I'd missed going the other way :S14:40
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lcuklardman, always the way, glad you are simplifying it though.14:42
lardmanwell it's stagnating, I'd like to get it to a state where it at least runs, then perhaps people will be intereted in optimisation, etc.14:42
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lcuki would jump on the code as fast as i could if the level of entry into dsp coding wasnt so high14:43
lardmanit's not!14:44
lardmanpeople just think that14:44
lcukok... so how do i install and run from my nokia..14:44
lcukor even, can i14:44
lardmanAh, well that's a minor issue then :)14:44
lcukits windows based sdk isnt it14:44
lcukwhich makes life easier for me :D14:44
lardmanno, Linux command line toolchain, like GCC14:45
lardmanNot sure how the Windows based one works, never tried it14:45
lcukim sure you said it was windows14:45
lardmanThere's a windows based one too14:45
lcukahhh - you mustv said there is one, no prob14:45
lcukso does it live inside scratchbox, or does it have its own14:45
lardmannah, it's a cross-compiler, so it's an x86 binary14:46
lardmanor rather a group of x86 binaries - compiler, linker, etc.14:46
lcuki have to register to download don't i?14:47
lardmanfree registration though14:47
lardmanI need to update the instructions on the DSP programming wiki page though, Ti have re-organised their download pages14:48
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lcukmaybe after the summit i'll see what help i can get from the dsp :)14:48
qwerty12_N800i think i used a bugmenot to get some ti stuff14:49
lcukthe image scaling and alpha blending code is byte optimized and not as quick as the other code (which copies 32bits as a time)14:49
lardmanlcuk: graphically we may be limited, if ssvb's there we should have a chat to him14:49
lardmanAnyway, if you have parallelised code, you could offload some stuff, depends really14:50
lardmanaccessing shared memory is pretty slow14:50
lcukyer i know it maybe so, but i just wanna see how multi core updating  works - ie simulate arm+iva updating at same time14:50
lardmanwill be interesting to see if this video out uses the IVA to do the mpeg2/4 encoding14:51
lcukit cant be that slow surely - its a dsp which needs lots of datas14:51
lcukwhich video out? ahhhh the one quim oooopsied on14:51
lardmanlcuk: well you pass the data in, then do lots of processing using the fast internal memory, so depending on the data/processing ratio it might make sense14:51
lardmanlcuk: yeah, there's a thready on itt too about it14:52
* RST38h read it as "fast inFernal memory"14:52
lardmanassuming that's the same one14:52
lcukdata in 2000 vectors.  data out rendered rectangle of pixel goodness14:52
lardmanRST38h: :) well it is that, not enough of it14:52
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lardmanlcuk: the framebuffer memory is shared though too....14:52
lcukyes i know14:53
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lardmanI couldn't get above 5fps iirc, not sure how far ssvb got with that14:53
lcukwere you usikng xv?14:53
lardmanno, directly drawing to the framebuffer from the DSP14:53
lcukor direct framebuffer14:54
lcukahhh yes, i remember the space scene14:54
lardmanI'll have to refresh my memory on that for my talk14:54
lardmanlunch time, bbiab14:55
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lcukwhat would be the practicalities of setting up a base vmware image for DSP dev?14:55
lcukdamn, catch you later14:55
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RST38hMcCain has proposed prolonging Shuttle life beyond 201214:57
lcuki think with tension  heating up between russia and everyone else they need a backup plan14:58
RST38hThey have NO backup plan. This is the funniest part.14:58
RST38hOrion is being delayed in development, engineering problems.14:58
lcukyer, they need more gravel on the track between garage and launchpad14:59
RST38hShuttles have reached the age where they start randomly crashing14:59
lcukthey have been that age all along, its sheer luck14:59
RST38hAnd they just don't want to cooperate with Russians for xenophobic reasons15:00
lcukmaybe the chinese will help them out :| :D :S15:00
RST38hNo deal, same reasoning15:01
lcukso they give up manned spaceflight,  or  they  carry on with  shuttles15:02
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RST38hCan't carry on with Shuttles - too old15:04
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glassthey can carry on untill the last one explodes15:05
RST38hWell, they can, but as soon as last remaining orbiters (2?) crash and burn, they are back to the "give up" stage15:05
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RST38hBTW, refer to
RST38hThey appear to crash in order of manufacture time15:06
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JaffaEnterprise ain't crashed yet ;-)15:11
JaffaAlthough it did get cancelled after 4 seasons15:11
RST38hThe real one can't fly15:11
RST38hIt is a training vehicle afaik15:11
JaffaWell, it can atmospherically fly; IIRC.15:12
RST38hMy shoes can atmospherically fly =)15:12
JaffaThat's not flying, just falling with style.15:13
JaffaAdmittedly, not much better than the Shuttle does ;-)15:13
* RST38h just hopes that Obama gets elected and, being a lawyer, has enough common sense not to screw things up15:14
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baabahow would i diagnose a situation where sbrshd on a device silently fails to attempt mounting the nfs shares specified in .sbrsh?15:47
baabathe log says it receives a mount packet but after that there's no error message and also nothing is mounted15:48
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KhertanHello again ! (copyright Apple Computer)16:02
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Khertani m staying on the 'Hello Again !' of the Macintosh Plus :)16:04
RST38hBut you can express 'EHLO' with a single 32bit integer16:06
RST38hIsn't it better?16:06
aquatixnot sure, 32bit integer are 4 bytes16:06
aquatixwhile `EHLO' can be expressed in 7bit ascii16:07
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aquatixso, 28bit effectively16:07
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bergiewe will soon start re-import of all maemo email list archives on Expect slowness16:08
bergieunfortunately the new server cluster didn't quite make it for this operation yet16:08
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bergiehuh, just making a DB backup via mysqldump --opt takes 15+ mins16:13
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lcukaquatix, nice.  the internets will work really well using your 7bit optimization technique.  and the world will use 12.5% less electricity16:26
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AnunakinAny knows where can I change keyboard layout on sbox?16:26
XTLThe trick with 7-bit protocol is you can affort to use the eighth for parity.16:27
XTLAnunakin: scratchbox cares about keyboard layout?16:27
XTLDo you mean in the display "emulator" session (Xephyr)?16:27
lcukbut if we still have to use  the 8th bit, theres no savings i would rather simply use 7bit cleanly and leave parity to itself16:28
aquatixwho needs error checking/correction anyway16:28
lcukits not likkqqiosiodoiemvcoierg16:28
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aquatix*carrier lost*16:29
XTLSome peopple could use Hamming coding16:29
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lcukisnt there an internet law somehwere about "the more you attempt to correct or laugh at those making mistakes, the more mistakes you make yourself?"16:30
aquatixXTL: i do, when i'm tired16:30
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lcukheh :D if irc made you specify a checksum for your posts16:31
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aquatixbased on natural language parsers and some machine learning on your past typos16:32
AnunakinXTL:Here my keyb, not working at my native layout...16:32
lcukaquatix, omg no - historical fixups are bad - i wouldnt want to be autocorrected here in maemo after ive just spent a couple of hours in the midget trapeze prostitute channel - it could get embarrassing16:33
AnunakinXTL: the error is on Xephyr/Maemo emulated with af-.... script16:33
aquatixlcuk: mental image... disturbing...16:35
aquatixlcuk: might want to filter on used channel ;)16:35
XTLAnunakin: Never actually looked at that..16:35
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lcukaquatix, was just an example, but its one of the problems with global dictionaries and auto correct..16:36
aquatixi know :)16:37
lcukspeaking of going to special sites and rooms, the new porn browsing  feature of ie8 - what happens if you click on a movie in ie and it opens in mediaplayer - would that also honour the porn browsing or will temp folder be filled up with movies.. ?16:38
aquatixbrowsing porn in IE doesn't sound like a good idea anyway16:39
lcukok, searching for presents for your wife without her seeing what you wanna buy her16:39
aquatixlcuk: maybe they will put a restricted mode into mediaplayer too16:39
lcukbut what if i use mplayer16:39
aquatixcreate a huge, walled garden16:39
lcukor real player16:39
lcukor anything16:39
aquatixwell, i think you just found their achilles heel ;)16:40
lcukopens a word document - does it go into the word recent history16:40
aquatixthe more reason to implement the trusted computing platform!16:40
lcukthere is a whole can of worms that the feature would open up - and especially for the home users - they think it will be an invisibility shield against the world - hell some are saying it will make it impossible for police to detect badness16:40
lcukno, just a ram disk please :)16:41
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aquatixlcuk: but, but, but, in combination with Vista that'll take 16GB of ram to browse!16:41
lcuka proper honest to goodness real life dynamic ram disk (take the code from amiga if required  :) )16:41
lcuk16gb to boot, maybe more if you actually wannna do anything16:41
aquatixyeah, i was calculating a 16MB ram drive for browsing16:42
aquatixbare minimum, hey16:42
lcukdont allocate anything, just expand as required :)16:42
lcuk"oooops no space left - you have filled 3.2GB with thumbnails, please close 'secure mode' and restart your browser"16:43
aquatixit's windows, it'll take anything from you if you don't allocate16:43
aquatixplease reboot your pc16:43
* aquatix wonders how much real pron 3.2GB of thumbnails represent :/16:44
lcukhey! maemo is just as bad. it did some update and told me to reboot16:44
lcukdepends if you  are using skin colored jpeg dictionary or not16:44
aquatixstill wonder when in-place kernel upgrading will be here16:44
XTLSo far the maemo updates have been equivalent to os upgrade.16:44
aquatixlcuk: indexed jpg's will be a lot smaller indeed16:44
XTLScrap these current systems and go for full live code update16:45
XTLErlang :)16:45
XTLErlang tablets16:46
aquatixhmmmm, a kernel in erlang..16:46
lcukisnt there a research project to port the kernel to c#16:46
* lcuk ducks16:46
aquatixthere is16:46
lcukoh crap16:46
aquatixalready been there, done that16:46
lcuki  was joking16:46
aquatixsingularity or something it's called16:46
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XTLOh, that.16:46
aquatix#weird microsoft16:46
aquatixages old :)16:47
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aquatix <- hm16:48
lcukthats not the linux kernel though16:48
XTLwhich of course is nice16:48
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aquatixlcuk: nope, those are microkernels even16:48
lcukyer i know, thankfully even they realise they need *some* assembler down in the core16:49
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aquatixbut i remember an object-oriented kernel from microsoft back in 2001 or something, but i guess that was that singularity project16:50
aquatixwas way too slow ;)16:50
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lcukyer, anyway  i best be goin16:50
lcukback later16:50
* aquatix should code16:51
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VeggenHave you noticed that everyone have already forgotten what a mess Vista development was, and how it ended, and are starting to talk about how Windows 7 is going to be the best OS ever?16:51
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aquatixVeggen: marketing++16:51
VeggenI seriously thought that'd not be possible again for Microsoft after Vista, but I was wrong.16:52
aquatixhell, win98 was the best OS ever16:52
aquatixaccording to them16:52
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RST38hit was, true17:01
RST38hwin98 is still the best Windows ever =)17:01
aquatixfor a certain subkind of people17:01
aquatixnot sure17:01
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aquatixwin2k was ok-ish too17:01
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usicowI just flashed my n810, and when I use xterm and apt-get it asks me to become root.. so I use sudo (not to mention I cant remember why, but I didnt need to use sudo before I flashed). Whats the root password though?17:09
usicowor 'user' rather17:10
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ccookeAnyone seen
ccookeI thought it was going to be rather a lot of old hat at first, but they have some slightly novel ideas17:11
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usicowis there a becomeroot or something similar for Diablo?17:14
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RST38husicow: afaik sudo won't work17:15
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RST38husicow: the best way is to install ssh server/client and sshh localhost as root17:15
usicowthats a shame17:16
RST38hnot really a shame17:16
Mek_you can put your device in R&D mode and use 'sudo gainroot'17:16
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RST38hlook at it as an opportunity to install very useful ssh tools17:16
XTLThe memory card is not in use, damnit!17:17
RST38hccoke: what they are doing sounds reasonable17:17
RST38hprolly not as much help as it sounds like, but reasonable17:18
ccookeRST38h: more than you might think. Bloody shame it's patented.17:18
ccookebut I suspect that a free alternative based on prior art could be developed.17:19
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aloisioj1hi guys, i'm trying to edit maemo summit wiki page, but the preview shows a mess. Is it happenning the same with you guys? I can publish it anyway?17:25
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Khertanaloisioj1: are you logged ?17:30
aloisioj1Khertan: yes... i can edit, preview and publish17:31
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aloisioj1but when i preview, the page shown is totally wrong (regarding page format).. i'm afraid of publish that...17:33
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aloisioj1i just change 1 sentence... it's a little change...17:33
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JamieBennettis the wiki down?17:52
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Tu13eshow much are used n800's going for these days?18:09
||cwcheck ebay?18:11
RST38hccooke: you cant really patent such stuff, I think18:11
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ccookeRST38h: hah. I wish.18:12
RST38hit is too easy to od a little bit differently18:13
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Khertanthinkgeek ... really funny capture ...18:22
Khertanlook ... i like seeing a geek try to remove a wheel with the cache18:23
crashanddieKhertan, you're submitting pictures to thinkgeek18:23
lardmanI hope he uses a longer bar to tighten those wheel nuts18:23
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crashanddieThat's about as geek as it gets18:24
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lardmanunless he has very strong wrists that is18:24
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crashanddieTerror-Key !18:25
lardmanTitanium Spork sounds more terrific18:26
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Khertanlol google translate "enjoliveur" in french by wheel in english18:28
Khertannot really the same things18:28
Grackle_lcuk, for some reason I had never paid any attention to liqbase.. I tried your demo out last night. I really like the book reader. The performance issue is strange.18:29
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lardmanKhertan: hub cap?18:30
juke_can i flash firmware without cable ?18:32
Khertanlardman: ? hum don't know18:32
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Khertanlike that :)18:33
Khertanhum ... reverso seems to be a better translator than google18:34
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Khertanjust a stupid idea ... does the wifi on the nokia is more efficient in one direction than an other ...18:39
* Khertan thinking of a wifi detector ...18:40
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lcukGrackle_, what do you mean the performance issue?18:41
lardmancu chaps18:42
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lcukcya lard18:42
lcukkhertan, i think the gps is directional18:42
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lcukfrom the nokia instruction manual for gps (this model is embedded in  a sword shaped case) you must hold aloft your mighty n810 and shout "by the power of greyskull"
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Grackle_lcuk, optimization issue, rather. The fact that the ondemand speed governor does not scale up to meet the demand of the optimized smooth scrolling code.18:47
lcukyes, it was very annoying, there has been some changes since i got diablo, but the effect isstill there - though now a new problem has crept in: in powersave mode, it clocks itself up and speeds up when user touching device18:48
lcukit throws out all sorts of tests i make expecting the cpu to be at a slow stable frequency18:49
lcukdo you like the little you have seen of liqbase though18:49
Khertanlcuk:  yep but gps don't help to know the distance between a point of a wifi ap18:50
Khertanat an instant time18:50
Khertanleaving work ... see you tomorrow ... bye18:51
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lcuki gotta go as well, back later18:52
Grackle_I like it very much. I definitely like the reader (though I wish there was a way to pause it or change the speed dynamically (perhaps using the -/+ buttons?), and I like the large finger friendly UI. The note taking program is neat, but I don't think it's something that I would use.18:52
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Khertan_n810lol iphone top downloaded app iPint18:59
Khertan_n810simulate drinking a beer19:00
* Khertan_n810 is thinking of writing a pseudo accelerometer by using the webcam 19:01
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XTLDo it with the gps19:05
RST38hKhertan: Yes please!19:07
derfDo it with both, with a nice Kalman filter mediating the process.19:09
Grackle_Mine has a pretty fancy accelerometer feature built in. No modifications necessary.19:10
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Grackle_If it undergoes a force of over 10G, It shuts off.19:10
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Grackle_I've only tested it once, luckily.19:11
juke_can i flash firmware without cable ?19:15
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XTLjuke_: Sort of, through the ssu methods. But not really.19:19
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juke_because i loose my datacable19:20
Grackle_juke_, it's a standard USB A to mini-B cable. They19:24
Grackle_They're used for cell phones and PDAs and mp3 players and such19:24
XTLmicro-B, isn't it?19:24
XTLMini-B is actually common19:24
Grackle_It would probably be easiest just to go to a store and get a new one19:24
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Grackle_I'm pretty sure it's mini B, not micro B19:25
Grackle_Unless the N810 has a different plug than the N80019:25
qwerty12The port differs on the N81019:25
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Grackle_Oh, ok.19:25
XTLN810 has micro B. I don't know 800 :)19:26
juke_it's a n81019:26
Grackle_The N80 has a mini-B19:26
bstock800 and 770 are standard mini ports, the 810 has an uncommon one19:26
Grackle_juke_, you could probably get a replacement cable at a cell phone shop.19:26
Grackle_Assuming it is micro-B19:26
Grackle_wikipedia tells me it's a micro-B19:27
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juke_ok thx19:27
Mekisn't the n810 a micor-AB?19:31
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juke_how can i get my phone book (on my phone) with my tablet ?19:38
juke_it's ok for dial or sms19:38
lbtEvening all :) .... anyway, I was sitting here working this afternoon; logged into my laptop using a IPSec tunnel over ADSL to connect to work; my phone was popping up messages using bluetooth trigger; my tablet was quietly snoozing and my various linux servers were doing their thing.... so, at 4 o'clock I had a conference call. And how, in the midst of all this tec, did I know when it was 4 o'clock? The church bell chimed... and my wife said19:40
lbt"Haven't you got a call now?"......19:41
bstockwas that supposed to be funny?19:41
lbtnot funny - but it made me think about the mix of hi+lo tec19:42
bstockmost of that has nothing to do with time19:42
lbtand how the simple chime was still useful19:42
bstockcould have just set an alarm on a phone19:43
lbtno - but they all do lots of time things; my PVR boots itself up when it needs to record etc19:43
lbtNo kidding, phones have alarms now -- who knew?19:43
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lbtanyhow - feel free to ignore me19:44
CptLaptopanyone know ca how long the n800s battery last for something simple as xterm, online mode?19:45
bstockif you're connected to wlan for the whole time prob only a few hours19:46
CptLaptopi think more than that. i get about 5 for casual surfing and such, just never used xterm19:46
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bstockhmm really? my 810 doesn't seem to last that long19:47
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bstockthough i never really tried to optimize battery life19:47
CptLaptopby casual i mean i sit at schol, leaving pidgin open, surf occasionally19:47
bstockwell xterm shouldn't use too much cpu, so most the batt would be used by screen and wireless, so you'd prob get about the same, maybe a little longer then surfing19:49
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crashanddielbt, djeezus, phones have alarms ? Good God... Technology never stops, does it... Imagine, in a few years, we might even have devices that fit in the palm of our hand, and, I know this might sound quite silly, but imagine that we'd be able to use them to interact with a computer far away...20:07
RST38hOr, rather, the computer far away will use our cool future phones to keep tabs on us...20:08
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crashanddieCptLaptop, pidgin will drain the battery quite a lot, it's quite a CPU slut, though xterm, depending on the app it's running, shouldn't be a problem20:09
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crashanddieCptLaptop, what drains the most is obviously CPU use and the screen20:09
Mekdon't the various radios also use quite some power?20:09
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lbtcrashanddie: and one day they'll invent something to make a noise at regular intervals so we can keep track20:10
lbtbut it won't be called alarmd !!20:10
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mavhcis it bad to remote desktop to my pc because I can't be arsed to replace the batteries in my wireless keyboard?20:16
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mgedminit's good, actually20:22
mgedmingives you 5 extra points for your geek creds20:22
lbta 2"-a-side cube running linux...20:23
lbtI'm reading it and thinking - "have you never seen a Nxx0"20:23
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Thus0hello there20:25
Thus0I've just bough a N77020:25
Thus0I'm discovering maemo :)20:25
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usicowwhats the best app for changing the usb port to host mode?20:33
Kegetysecho :)20:34
Grackle_usicow, install maemo-control-usb, it will give you a control panel that will let you do that20:36
qwerty12_N800it does remove g_storage however and insmod's g_ether which is not what you always want20:39
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Grackle_Speaking of g_ether, can the internet tablet be used as a network bridge?20:39
Grackle_Because that would be really handy.20:39
* qwerty12_N800 uses usbcontrol and usb-otg-plugin for usb switching20:40
Grackle_Oh wait, I have ssh installed, I could just use that.20:42
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BinkyOk, I am... well I'll explain21:01
BinkyCan someone tell me if my 770 died?21:01
qwerty12_N800is the screen white?21:02
BinkyIs not WSOD. It's only that it won't turn on.21:02
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VeggenBinky: battery all flat?21:02
BinkyBattery what (Don't use expressions, I'm spanish and my english is bad)21:02
BinkyIt was full-21:02
Veggenif so, it often helps to just leave it in with the charger for quite a while, I think..21:02
BinkyAnd i charged it about 2 or 3 hours21:02
Veggenhum. then it shouldn't be battery either.21:03
BinkyAlso, I tried to connect to USB and trying USB + Home. It didn't work.21:03
Veggenexactly how doesn't it turn on? No reaction at all?21:03
BinkyNothing. It does absolutely nothing.21:03
Veggenhmm. Well. You could always, perhaps, try another battery.21:04
BinkyI was thinking of removing the battery, but if i fix it and it turns on, it may cause WSOD.21:04
Veggen(I guess a decent Nokia shop would let you try before you buy)21:04
BinkyVeggen, I will21:04
BinkyAnd I tried to turn on with MMC inserted, removed and with the door opened (which is nonsense)21:05
BinkyShould I try removing the battery and inserting it?21:05
Grackle_I don't like the fact that utilities and settings are in different menus. The difference is ambiguous.21:05
* Grackle_ never knows which one to look in when he wants to change something21:05
BinkyGrackle_, in spanish it is tools and utilities, it's almost the same, lol21:06
mavhcdoes the n770 suffer from the same "won't turn on unless in the fridge" problem the n810 does?21:06
Grackle_what o.o21:06
Binkymavhc, that may be the biggest WTF ever.21:06
mavhcmy n810 did that, I turned it off to upgrade to diablo and it wouldn't turn on until I left it in the fridge for 15 minutes (in a bag)21:07
mavhcsince the upgrade it's been fine21:08
BinkyI can't upgrade it though21:08
lcukmavhc, that sounds cargo cultish - chances are it wouldv switched on itself after 15minutes21:08
mavhcit's a known thing, something to do with the temp sensor perhaps, I dunno21:09
lcukhjang on a minute, ill carry on this convo after i get gps connected21:09
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mavhcI tried everything else for 24 hours, charged up, took the battery out for 12 hours, etc, etc21:09
* lcuk stands on one leg facing north with the wind in his face ontop of a building with a clear view of the sky21:10
mavhcin the end I did the crazy "this'll never work" solution21:10
mavhcsome kind of race condition according to nokia on bugzilla21:10
lcukwhatever works for ya i suppose21:10
lcuknokia have the fridge as a recommended fix?21:11
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cyrus___anyone have a good site for themes for maemo on nokia n810?21:11
lcukmaybe it does prefer to be in a cold environment - like being back at nokia home21:11
lcukmavhc, where are you21:12
andrewfblackcyrus__ there is no good site for themes look around garage and itT is best I can say21:12
mavhcperhaps it's programmed not to start if the temp is too high or something. UK21:12
lcuklol - ok i can rule out extreme temps21:12
andrewfblackI have a few on a garage there are a few on also21:12
Binkymavhc, it was noticeably hot. not too much. less than the hot it is when it's turned on, but more than it uses to be21:13
Binkyanyway, in what kind of bag did you leave it?21:13
mavhcjust a sealed plastic bag to stop condensation21:14
mavhcseems to be a new hardware thing, so shouldn't be an n770 problem21:15
cyrus___also, is it possible to have multiple desktops with a pager with maemo21:15
Binkymy 770 I find that if you press the on/off button repeatedly followed by a final long press wakes the device up!! Also in my experience (on the 770) re-flashing the operating system can completely cure this problem. M21:16
Binky(it is a comment on a blog)21:17
Binkydidn't worked21:17
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, I don't think he's posted them anywhere, but I'm sure he'll toss them your way (or post them) if you ask.21:19
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* GeneralAntilles sighs.
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, LMAO21:21
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, who sent that ?21:21
GeneralAntillesSome itT noob21:22
GeneralAntillesI get PMs like that rather frequently.21:22
mavhcas a General you should delgate21:22
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GeneralAntillesI'm going to forward them all to geneven.21:22
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andrewfblackGA just tell him to go search :)21:23
GeneralAntillesThe new mailing lists forums are available21:24
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GeneralAntillesNot in love with the layout21:24
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, answer something along the lines "This is Lieutenant Konstam. General Antilles can not answer this Private Message at the moment, but he will be advised you have tried to get in touch with him. Thank you for contacting the United States Army. For the record, this is communication AD2748B80Y. Discussion terminated"21:26
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crashanddie"Emma t'es belle et ma copine elle t'aime pas, Emma t'es bonne et ma pile va bientot claquer, Emma t'es froide comme le carrelage de mes WC, Emma t'es vraiment 1000 fois plus belle que Tara"21:30
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MikhoI have an inheritance-related destructor problem21:32
crashanddieMikho, go for it21:32
crashanddieMikho, C++ ?21:32
GeneralAntillesI'm just gonna ignore it, and may roll around to replying with a google search if I'm feeling generous.21:32
GeneralAntillesI know for a fact that particular topic has been covered quite frequently on itT.21:32
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MikhoIn C++. Lets say I have classes A and B, where A is the base and B is derived from A21:32
MikhoB has a virtual destructor and some virtual abstract functions21:33
andrewfblackGA you need to learn to look stupid on the forums so people stop asking you questioins21:33
lcukMikho, as long as you agive me 20% of your will, ill cure your inheritence problem21:33
lcukevenin crashanddie21:34
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I think andrewfblack is right, you should get your inspiration from lcuk21:34
Mikholet's say a B object is about to die, and has finished running the B destructor21:34
VeggenGA: Unfortunately, this is partly the reason why people see Linux people as "arrogant" and unwilling to help. They expect that someone is gonna spoon-feed them everything.21:34
crashanddielcuk, <321:34
crashanddieevening lcuk :)21:34
* lcuk has alpha blended goodness21:34
VeggenAnd sometimes, they just hit you on a plain unlucky day when too many people like that has already ruined your helpfulness :)21:35
crashanddieMikho, ok, and, what's the problem ?21:35
GeneralAntillesrm_you, ping.21:35
MikhoA has some code to unregister the class from a database in another thread21:35
crashanddieMikho, keep going, you've nearly explained the whole problem21:36
baabaare you just a really slow typist or are you thinking this up as you go? :P21:36
GeneralAntillesVeggen, that's most days these days. :(21:36
crashanddiebaaba, if he's that slow, I wouldn't want to hire him a C++ coder :P21:37
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crashanddies/a/as a/21:37
infobotcrashanddie meant: bas aaba, if he's that slow, I wouldn't want to hire him a C++ coder :P21:37
andrewfblackGeneralAntilles I get half your rejects I think.  I get a few PMs a week with something like I have a question I didn't was to ask in open forum becuae I did't want to be told to just search for it21:38
GeneralAntillesI need to setup a shortcut for osso-software-version-rx*421:38
Mikholet's say, before destructor A has completed, what happens if another thread uses some of the virtual abstract functions presented in class A, but defined in class B?21:38
lcuki hope you told them to just search for it21:38
GeneralAntillesI type it way too much and it's way too damn long.21:38
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I haven't told them anything.21:38
Mikhosorry, this is complicated21:38
baabaMikho, nasal demons21:38
andrewfblacklcuk well that would defeat my arguments about telling people to just search.  I just delete the stupid one :)21:39
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Veggenandrew: It's ok to say that you have searched for it, and that it told me to do this and that, but I didn't understand. That's constructive criticism on documentation.21:39
MikhoI'd like to know if the functions in class B are available for running even though the destructor has completed for that class21:39
baabaMikho, no; as i said, you get nasal demons21:39
baabathat is to say, undefined behavior21:40
GeneralAntillesVeggen, whenever the topic comes up, I ask that people mentioned whether they've tried to search and failed, or searched and found something they didn't understand.21:40
GeneralAntillesTHEN I have the patience to help.21:40
Veggenhmmf. Someone hit me. I'm conteplating writing something in mono.21:40
GeneralAntillesBecause they've put forward some effort to match mine.21:40
lcukMikho, if you throw your food into a bin is it wise to dive back in to carry on eating?21:40
GeneralAntilles~smack Veggen21:40
baabawhich means the implementation is free to do anything, including making demons fly out of your nose21:40
* infobot smacks Veggen upside the head.21:40
VeggenGA: exactly.21:40
crashanddieMikho, semaphores will solve that problem, and most of the time, you're going to get a segfault21:41
lcukveggen, nothing wrong with mono - which color though, black/white or green/black?21:41
crashanddieMikho, well, hopefully you're going to get a segfault, actually21:41
Veggenok. Reason I want mono, is that it's an f-spot plugin. I want a plugin that interfaces to my scout-groups publishing system and uploads pictures, marked with the correct event etc...21:41
baabaMikho, the c++ standard has a number of things that it defines no semantics for, which are denoted as "undefined behavior"21:41
lcukMikaT, dont touch things that have been destroyed21:41
baabaMikho, such as dereferencing a null pointer21:41
Veggenand f-spot is written in mono, so that's of course the case for plugins too.21:41
baabaMikho, in these cases your c++ implementation is free to cause anything at all to happen and still be standard21:42
MikhoI mean, won't all memory get freed only after all destructors have completed?21:42
crashanddieMikho, but if you want the real explanation, destructors for a base class are called automatically in the reverse order of the constructors. That is, if the base class destructor isn't declared virtual21:42
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Veggenthere exists such plugins for f-spot, gallery2 etc. Just need to take one of them, I guess, and study as example...21:42
Veggeneh, for flickr, gallery2 etc.21:43
baabaMikho, sure, but the point is that there's no guarantee it'll ever work21:43
baabait _might_ work21:43
lcukcrashanddie, you know the physics view on liqbase -> it now works with all jpeg images and scales and moves and views with 50% alpha :)21:43
lcukand its just as quick21:43
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MikhoI was wondering if I could use mutexes to make the class A destructor wait until the other thread has finished doing stuff in class B methods21:43
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baababut it's absolutely not guaranteed, and whether it works might change depending on among other things: the compiler used, compiler flags, whether there's a black cat on your windowpane, the alignment of the solar system etc21:44
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lcukMikho, just stop killing your objects whilst you are using them21:44
baabain general making objects responsible for themselves like that is not a very good idea21:44
crashanddienote to self, don't ctrl + x in x-chat21:44
lcukyou dont kill the maid until shes finished cleaning the room21:44
baabait creates very messy program logic21:44
baabaas you're experiencing right now21:44
lcuklol crash :P21:44
* lcuk repeats21:45
lcukcrashanddie, you know the physics view on liqbase -> it now works with all jpeg images and scales and moves and views with 50% alpha :)21:45
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Mikhoit would be very nice if I could remove references to an object in databases in other threads, by just deleting the object21:45
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lcukwhich word triggers you to close21:45
crashanddieok, really not used to this21:45
MikhoI wonder if there's a workaround21:45
crashanddiewell, usually I type something, and when someone talks to me, and I want to reply, I shift + home, ctrl + x, answer, then after answering, ctrl + v and keep writing what I was saying21:46
crashanddiebut now that I've fiddled with the keyboard settings, xchat closes on ctrl+x21:46
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Mikhocrashanddie, do you mean the order is different if the base class destructor is virtual=21:47
baabaMikho, your objects need to have clearly defined ownership; the owner manages all that21:47
baabathe owner also removes the object from any such databases and _then_ destroys it21:48
baabaMikho, no, order of destruction is not different with virtual destructors21:48
Mikhowell I guess that's how it's meant21:48
baabawhen you have a class with bases, the destructor of that class calls the destructors of its bases21:49
baabaand they call the destructors of their bases etc21:49
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baabawhat the virtual destructor part does, is exactly like with any virtual function - it finds the most derived implementation through a reference (or pointer) to base21:49
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crashanddielcuk, sounds awesome, when are you going to release a sneak-peak ?21:50
crashanddiebaaba, in fact, order is different, because the base destructor isn't called21:50
Mikhowell, I think most virtual functions don't call the base implementations...21:51
baabawell no, that part is different :)21:51
baababut the lookup is the same as with any other virtual function21:51
lcukin about 3 weeks fully - im getting the search finished (ive created a very nice recursive results pane).  ill need some help in the run up though :)21:51
baabacrashanddie, isn't called?21:51
lcukie beta testing ;)21:51
crashanddiebaaba, nope21:51
baabayes it is21:51
crashanddiebaaba, err21:51
baabaevery object including base sub-objects of other objects is destroyed21:52
lcukcant someone just setup a tiny project with a few classes and cout's to prove each others case21:52
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crashanddiebaaba, class A { public: A(); virtual ~A() = 0; }; class B : A { public: B(); ~B() }; //you're going to tell me ~A() is called ?21:52
baabacrashanddie, no, because that will yield a linker error21:53
baabanamely, A::~A() is not defined21:53
Mikhodoes this depend on whether you call delete Aobject or Bobject?21:53
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baabaif you have a virtual destructor in A, it doesn't; if you don't have a virtual destructor in A, it does21:54
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Mikhoand I believe an abstract virtual destructor must have a body21:54
baabacrashanddie, however, if you add a definition then it will link and will be called21:54
khertan_Hi !21:54
baabacorrect, it must21:54
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crashanddiebaaba, you lost me there21:54
* Khertan_at_home is building gnome-online-desktop ... a bit long21:54
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crashanddieMikho, make your program thread-safe21:55
Mikhosigh, I guess I'll just have to resort to always remember to call unregister before delete21:55
crashanddieEnd of story21:55
baabacrashanddie, where exactly?21:55
baabai'll explain it21:55
Khertan_at_homelcuk: you don't build it anymore on your n810 ?21:55
baababecause this is pretty damn crucial for understanding c++21:55
crashanddiebaaba, lemme compile/test a few things21:55
Mikhoyes, I'm working hard to make my program thread-safe21:55
lcukKhertan_at_home, sorry, my mistake: im building it FOR my laptop21:55
Khertan_at_homeah :)21:55
baabacrashanddie, look, in c++, every object has a lifetime21:56
baabacrashanddie, a base sub-object is a _separate object_21:56
baabawhen you have struct A {}; struct B : A {}; B b;21:56
baabab consists of two objects21:56
Mikhoa separate object? Didn't know that one21:56
baabaon the creation of 'b' two constructors will be run, and on its destruction two destructors will be run21:56
crashanddiebaaba, yes, I know, when instantiating B, it is of type A before becoming of type B21:56
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baabanothing "becomes" in c++21:57
lcukwhere can i download a lot of jpegs from automatically21:57
crashanddielcuk, google images21:57
crashanddiebaaba, oh you bloody pedantic C++ nitpickers21:58
baabathis is hardly pedantic nitpickery21:58
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baabai mean jesus you have to know what happens when your destructors are run don't you?21:58
baabathat's a pretty fundamental part of c++21:58
* GeneralAntilles starts poking crashanddie and baaba with sharpened sticks.21:59
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crashanddiebaaba, you're the one thinking I don't know what happens, now please go back playing with your lego bricks22:00
baababy claiming that the base destructor doesn't get run, you showed that you don't know what happens22:00
baabaunless that was an intentional lie22:00
* sp3000 giggles22:01
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MikhoI didn't mean this to get this serious :)22:01
GeneralAntillesMikho, there's no telling what sort of craziness questions like that will spawn. ;)22:02
Mikhohrmm... now I wonder what operator delete does...22:02
baabaoperator delete is the memory deallocation function that is invoked by a delete-expression22:03
Mouseywhat's a destructor? what's an operator?22:03
Mikhomaybe I could accomplish some pure C++ evil with it22:03
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sp3000Mousey: destructor is a bot; an operator controls it22:03
baabawhen you have P* p; /* ... */ delete p; it's roughly equivalent to: { /* destructor call: */ p->~P(); /* memory deallocation: */ operator delete(p); }22:04
sp3000they roam the countryside, harassing cattle and small rodents.22:04
baaba(only roughly, because the lookup for the actual operator delete is a bit more complicated)22:04
Mikhoargh, so I can't have a pre-destructor call associated with delete22:05
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baabaoh and of course, it first checks whether p is null, and does nothing if so :)22:06
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Mikhoso, am I right if I say nothing has been freed or deleted in the beginning of derived class destructor call, and the derived object's functions are still free to be called from other threads?22:08
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Anunakinany knows like resolve... a error with fonts and GTK on maemo?22:09
AnunakinUnknown font: -adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-%s0-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1 I'll use fixed22:09
baabaMikho, no22:10
MikhoI'm wrong?22:11
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crashanddiebaaba, ok, I'm confused here. Trust me, I really am. I was pointing out that if you have class A; and class B : A;, and A * ptr = new B; you need to have virtual ~A, if you want ~B to be called.22:12
baabayeah you do22:12
crashanddieOk, then we're settled22:12
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baabawell, you could do delete static_cast<B*>(ptr); and in that case you wouldn't need it :)22:14
moontigeroh right22:14
moontigergot it22:14
baababut delete ptr; would need it22:14
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moontigerif ~A is not virtual it wont be over-ridden in B22:14
baabadestructors don't behave like normal functions, but destructor lookup does behave like normal functions22:15
moontigerbaaba, wouldnt the static cast technically break things?22:15
moontigeroh wait i see22:16
Mikhobaaba, did you mean "no, you're wrong, you can't call B's functions even if the destructor is only in the beginning of the call" or "no, nothing has been deleted yet, so you're free to do your stuff"22:16
baabain this case, it's known that the type of the object is B22:16
baabaMikho, can't call22:16
moontigerand the destructor part you're interested in is in A which is common22:16
MikhoI can't see why not...22:16
baabaMikho, err, sorry, you're talking about the derived destructor22:16
baabaduring destruction .. hmm22:17
* moontiger shuts up and lets the conversation continue22:17
baabai'm not actually sure about that22:17
baabaduring construction, you _can_ call member functions (with some restrictions)22:17
baababut i'm not sure about destruction, let me check22:17
MikhoI thought about assaulting c++ coding principles by adding a separate cleaning function in every derived classes destructor22:17
baabathat sounds kind of bad :)22:18
Mikhoindeed >)22:18
moontigermikho ... if you want to make the assault proper make the cleaner static :)22:18
baabareally you should try to work it such that you have a clearly defined owner for the object22:18
baabawhich first removes it from any databases etc and then just destroys it22:18
baabaobjects should never own themselves22:19
Mikhoit has an owner, but I'd like to have other threads calling its functions at times22:19
baabayeah but the point was that you can request the owner to remove and destroy the object22:19
baabaand the owner first removes any referemces to it and then destroys it22:19
baaba(and similarly for creation)22:20
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Mikhoit'd be nice to just new and delete away objects, having a distant parent class arranging all the references to other threads22:22
baabano it wouldn't :P22:22
Mikhoit's hassle to ask the owner for the objects, and ask again to destroy them22:23
Mikhooh well22:23
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baabait's a hassle trying to reason about a program with messy semantics22:23
dustinHi everyone.  I am building a Adobe Flex 3 application for a Maemo device but am running into performance problems.   Does anyone know of way to access the Flash player outside of the web browser?22:23
lcukMikho, if your implimentation is messy you will run into problems such as you have - sit down and design the interface cleanly and in a thread safe manner using mutexes where required, or use a manager class to handle the object lifetimes22:27
Khertan_at_homencurse should be the only one interface22:28
Khertan_at_homethis way all is unified22:28
lcuki prefer nurses22:29
MikhoI don't think it's that messy22:29
ProteousI prefer gypsies22:29
Mikhoit would actually clean up the code pretty nice22:29
lcukgypsies arent always clean22:29
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ProteousI make them shower first22:29
Proteousand make sure they use soap22:30
lcukagreed, ok clean post-showered gypsies are on par with a nurse in uniform22:30
lcuk(or out of uniform)22:30
lcukany more preconditions or alterations to this fantasy?22:31
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Proteousyeah, the scrubs have to be free of vomit and blood22:32
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* moontiger laughs22:32
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* Khertan_at_home have any success building gnome-online-desktop22:34
* Proteous to be asking Khertan_at_home speak ways of understanding you22:34
* Khertan_at_home ask to Proteous : gniéé ?22:36
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usicowwhere can I get subversion for diablo?22:39
usicowahh. from chinook extras22:40
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Khertan_at_homehum ... it seems that Ubuntu ME will use modest ...22:47
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GeneralAntillesAre they really?22:51
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ProteousI use Ubuntu XP22:53
ProteousUbuntu ME is so 199822:53
moontigeri cant believe they are going to use modest tho22:54
moontigerwell maybe it will get some serious love and attention22:54
moontigerand get better22:54
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yacoob'Ubuntu Me' sounds like asking for a kink22:55
mavhcdon't worry, root access is disabled by default22:56
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing wrong with Modest that can't be explained by immaturity. :)22:56
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* yacoob wants magic pixie dust to sprinkle over ermining, and have it Ready And Without Bugs.22:57
lcukyer, GeneralAntilles after you're first time you get ubuntu'd your modesty will be all gone22:57
moontigerGeneralAntilles, i know ... i give it a hrad time but i havent actually written a better email app so i have respect for the guys ... just find it immature as you say :)23:00
moontigeryacoob, what do u need it for?23:00
yacoobgpe-gcal two way sync23:00
moontigerahhhhhh 2 way sync23:01
GeneralAntillesWell, immaturity and some over insistence on the "lightweight" side of things in some cases.23:01
moontigerare u tied to gpe-cal?23:01
* yacoob suddenly notices that gpe doesn't support alarmd, loses interest.23:01
moontigeryacoob, look at mcalendar by khertan ... and my lil mgcal (which is in early stages but useful)23:02
* lcuk has 3 desktop apps in fulltime use at work that he thinks will be on maemo soon23:03
moontigerlcuk, what are they?23:03
flo_lapyacoob: just help to add support for it23:03
yacoobflo_lap, I need some liquid time for this task, but I think it's doable 8)23:04
flo_lapalarmd is nice, but not portable in any way23:04
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* lcuk wrote whatareyoudoing with a tablet in mind about 3 years ago..23:05
flo_lapyacoob: it should be quite easy indeed... the reason why we didn't do it is that gpe apps run on different devices as well but alarmd doesn't23:05
lcukflo_lap, :) porting apps is annoying, im currently building liqbase for my laptop23:05
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flo_laplcuk: depends on the apps - porting the gpe apps was quite easy23:06
lcukyer, but like the alarmd thing, one of the pressure sensitive things is specifically maemo23:07
flo_laplcuk: Porting operating systems is real fun23:07
lcukyou win.23:07
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yacoobthe problem I have as a newcomer with large part of maemo software is that you're not exactly able to tell is the project... dead? will it be developed? how stable it is?23:08
yacoob...wait a second, that's just like with majority of the software! :D23:08
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lcukyacoob, are you a linux n00b as well?23:08
lcukor rather, linux-dev n00b23:09
yacoobthe latter.23:09
yacoobI find much fun cracking a problem, but I lack the energy to actualy complete a project :)23:09
lcuki basically started everything linux about 8 months ago..23:09
yacoobwhich is very much a killer for anything that has gui and is supposed to be used by a wide audience :)23:10
lcukand what you just said there is the reason i think why there are so many variations of the same program23:10
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lcukno1 knows enough about anyone elses api to integrate cleanly - its only when teams get together23:10
yacoobso... we should get a big boat, a drummer, and a couple of whips. Row faster! *crack*23:11
lbtlcuk: saw you've done alpha - nice :)23:11
lcukwhich is where communitiesw help :)23:11
lcuklbt, it was really simple - if i do a full 800*480 char by char mapping its obviously slower than normal blits23:12
lcukbut if i do smaller sections its not noticable :)  but because of the rendering technique anyway its not really teary23:12
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lcukit just slows down at the busy bits ;)23:12
keesjlcuk: how is the lib going?23:13
lcuki notice by the way that canola does tiny little alpha bits on its buttons ;)23:13
lbtI really must checkout the code and go through it again - just been busy on other stuff23:13
lbtyes, I caught that earlier23:13
lcukkeesj, its going quite nicely actually, i can do everything i could do with sketches with actual real images and files now23:13
lcukive started to build the classes for a user interface and so can create recursive kinetic lists and grids23:13
lcukbut im not telling you the other stuff :)23:14
Khertan_at_homeflo_lap: alarmd isn't nice ! you can't list alarm23:14
Khertan_at_homeif you lost the alarm cookie you can't cancel it !23:14
Khertan_at_homethis is stupid23:14
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flo_lapKhertan_at_home: uh, that's clever indeed :/23:15
lcuklbt, im almost tempted to simply throw an rgb front end on this and shove it bodily into sdl23:15
yacoobKhertan_at_home, taking advantage of you being here - what are your plans for mCalendar?23:15
keesjwell enjoy  your secret :p23:15
GeneralAntilleslcuk, do it!23:15
lcukkeesj :) i cant talk about everything im showing at the summit you know23:15
flo_lapKhertan_at_home: that's another disadvantage... we can;t fix it23:16
Khertan_at_homeyacoob: make it the world most better calendar available on any mobile device ... :)23:16
lcukGeneralAntilles, ill be talking to people at the summit23:16
keesjcool ,  I plan to go there23:16
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I hate you. :(23:16
lcuki know :D23:16
Khertan_at_homeyacoob: :)23:16
yacoobKhertan_at_home, ...but seriously, what's up next? ui changes, adding functionality, <hope>caldav/ical support</>?23:17
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Khertan_at_homemy plan for mCalendar ... finishing syncing bug, render a bit better the gui, add a autosync feature23:17
lcuk***WARNING SPOILERS***23:17
Khertan_at_homeand after that ...23:17
* Proteous averts his eyes23:17
Khertan_at_homemaybe syncml ...23:17
lcukKhertan_at_home, :) keep some stuff for the summit ;)23:17
Khertan_at_homei ll certainly not made caldav ...23:17
Khertan_at_homelcuk: héhé ... :)23:17
yacoobKhertan_at_home, why?23:17
Khertan_at_homeyacoob: i don't like it :)23:18
lcukhas anyone seen my lighter?23:18
Khertan_at_homeyacoob: a too complex thing to only do a calendar syncing ... and not really a good syncing protocol23:19
Khertan_at_homedon't have a server or application that use it23:19
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Khertan_at_homebut why wanting to use caldav ?23:19
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flo_lapKhertan_at_home: OpenSync?23:20
Khertan_at_homeit s mainly an iThings ?23:20
Khertan_at_homeflo_lap: opensync is a server not a protocol :)23:20
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yacooband I agree, syncml would be nice.23:20
flo_lapKhertan_at_home: its not really a server, but it has the syncing logic23:21
yacoobalthough I have no bloody idea how things talk to each other when you synchronize them.23:21
* Mousey seconds syncml23:21
yacoob(ie. which one is client, which one server :)23:21
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yacoobto dig up on that - has anyone been using opensync on tablet for... well, anything sync-related? :)23:21
flo_lapyacoob: syncml is only a part of the problem - it helps with the transport only23:22
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flo_lapyacoob: I'm waiting for a stable release, but my intention is to use it for MaemoSync.23:23
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Khertan_at_homeuname -a23:25
flo_lapKhertan_at_home: wrong terminal ;)23:28
Khertan_at_homeyep :)23:30
Khertan_at_homehow does they hope to see it implemented everywhere with spec like this !23:30
lbtI installed kolab yesterday - FWIW :)23:30
Khertan_at_homeand 404 everywhere23:30
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lcukhow do i undefine something as a compile time option - ie a parameter to the compiler23:37
lbtyou mean !-DFRED23:38
lcukahhh yes i think so (since i use -DHELLO already - i didnt want to remove it from the line, just make sure its not on23:39
lbterr, it isn't "!"23:39
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lcukahh lol23:40
lbtI was trying to understand :)23:40
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lcuklbt ! you tease, ill just remove it but leave a comment in the makefile23:41
lbtI don't know of any other way23:41
lcuki should really setup things as a target but im just getting it working now23:42
lcukhrw gave me some tips a while ago and im ready to impliment them now so i can get ready for the summit :)23:42
lbtI got some fan mail about Shopper :D23:42
lcukpart of it involves me making sure i can build and use it on my laptop23:42
lcuk"NO MOAR CHEESE!"23:42
Mouseyhey now23:42
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lbtwe now have Cheese two point zero23:43
lcuknice, is there a pre-defined bacon section23:43
lbtindeed - extra stinky23:43
lbtnext release...23:43
lcuki personally think it would be really cool to walk around astore with video camera running and build up a 3d model of the shopping centre (do some barcodes as you go around)23:44
lcukbacon is bacon23:44
lcuklbt, i hope you can get barcode into your system23:45
lbtit's on the list23:45
lcuk:D a shopping list i hope23:45
lbta long list23:45
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lcuklike me, ive spent god ages building up a toolkit23:46
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lcuk-god (was gonna put god knows how long but i know to the day..)23:46
lbteek just found a bug - I don't escape/cleanse my XML23:46
mavhclcuk: upload lots of the frames to photosynth type thing23:46
lbtyep - it says "FIXME"23:46
lcukalright guys, lets hack the database23:46
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lcukmavhc, yer the alog should work better with a movie than images - you KNOW its a sequence and can look for similarities in time23:47
lcuki dont even know what that means myself23:48
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derflcuk: The technology is all well-understood, but doing it in real time on a tablet is pretty infeasible.23:48
mavhcto the cloud!23:49
lcukderf, never said it would work, the only reason why i wanna do it with the tablet is barcode reading along the way23:49
lcukrecord the movie and scan as you go along23:49
lcukbring it home and produce a full map with products when you get home23:49
lbtcan't do it without an accelerometer23:49
derfYeah, if you want to build the model later on a PC with a powerful GPU or two, that's possible.23:50
lbtfor reasons too technical to go into here23:50
derfIt's a lot of work, though.23:50
lcuksure you can - they have been doing it with crime scene reconstruction for years23:50
lcukyer derf, but photosynth type programs are becoming common for home users23:50
lcukwe already stitch photos together - this is just an extension of that23:50
derflcuk: Sure... because someone's done a lot of work to write the software.23:50
lcukthats the way we roll :) open source ftw23:51
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liriI just saw wargames2 with the g/f23:51
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derfMany of the pieces are in vxl... but by no means everything you need.23:51
liritalk about bad sequels... that one should go out the window23:51
lcukderf, was just a pie in the sky idea :) something may come of it, or nothing may come of it23:52
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lcuksomeone might come along with enough talent and passion to want to build it - it might already be being done now in another irc channel23:52
derfI know basically _how_ to do it.23:53
derfBut I've got enough on my plate.23:53
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flo_laplcuk: add 'time' to the requirements ;)23:54
lcuklol :D23:54
lcukgood point23:54
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* GeneralAntilles is playing The Force Unleashed demo.23:56
liriwe should play Urban Terror23:57
derfStart with basic feature point detection, track features across frames, build up homography and as the baseline gets large enough fundamental matrix projection models, Link the fundamental matrices with trifocal tensors, triangulate to get 3-d homogeneous points, apply one of the standard metric calibration techniques to back out the projective ambiguity, look for overlapping paths, do bundle adjustment...23:57
* Stskeeps takes away derf's brain implant23:58
* lbt admires Stskeeps' remote surgery skillz23:58
lcukderf :) what do you do for a living?23:59
derfI work for a defense contractor.23:59
* lbt was impressed with derf until he screwed up on the the trifocal tensors... newbie error.23:59
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