| jott | Khertan_n810: there are loads of maemo apps that do.. esp. the maemo-select-menu-location | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, you got yourself that crappy ">" again ? Djeezus | 00:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie ... yep a wrong brain setting now | 00:01 |
| jott | anyway, a console app should atleast be installable on a console system :) | 00:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i can t made nick completion working on xchat on maemo | 00:01 |
| GAN800 | lol? | 00:02 |
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| * lcuk remembers the [tab] conversation with khertan about pygtkeditor | 00:05 | |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 00:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but it work on pygtkeditor | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | it does now | 00:06 |
| lcuk | (thank you) | 00:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 00:06 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: interesting post about the noBounds' lab being closed. | 00:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 00:13 |
| lcuk | huh? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | link please? | 00:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Closes-Bochum-but-Opens-Cluj-Factory-76274.shtml | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the word on the council at this point, Jaffa? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything that needs to be pushed before the start of elections? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you announced your cadidacy? :P | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/cadidacy/candidacy/ | 00:19 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Have you announced your candidacy? :P | 00:19 |
| lcuk | Khertan, mmm interesting | 00:21 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: No and no :) | 00:26 |
| * Jaffa was swamped at work last week. Will work on a pitch tomorrow, can't have fewer than 5 candidates. Need to see some posts on p.m.o/ITT etc. I don't think enough people subscribe to -community yet. | 00:27 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Some people seem adverse to the idea of subscribing for some reason. . . . ;) | 00:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes RST38h with a sharp stick. | 00:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone needs to post his announcement, too. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, hopefully, milhouse. | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | aye, then at least one person loses :) | 00:32 |
| * Jaffa also considered not standing, having seen the quality of the people announcing so far. | 00:32 | |
| * Jaffa hopes someone not standing would do interviews etc., but that might be a little excessive in the first one :) | 00:33 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles favors people he interacts with regularly. | 00:35 | |
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| Jaffa | Anyone know of anything a bit like Google Docs but for code? Almost like slexy or pastebin but with some editey features | 00:40 |
| lcuk | vi? emacs? | 00:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: my box is going offline tomorrow morning for an upgrade :-) | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, I 'spose I've got the home box | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 00:43 |
| jott | Jaffa: gobby? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | jaffa, think inside the box :) see what it would take to code on your nokia | 00:43 |
| lcuk | just as an academic process | 00:43 |
| lcuk | gnite anyway | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Oh, it's got Perl and Subversion already on it, and this is a Perl script to do some svn tomfoolery :) | 00:43 |
| t_s_o | hmm, the N800 makes use of a standard nokia charger, yes? | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | t_s_o: a standard *modern* Nokia charger (2mm plug) | 00:44 |
| t_s_o | heh, the one i have here (bought my N800 used so i dont know if its normal) have a converter on it to fit the tablet | 00:45 |
| lcuk | no tso, but i have a similar converter for the AA emergency charger I have | 00:45 |
| t_s_o | ok | 00:46 |
| t_s_o | well i guess ill see if the usb to phone set i ordered have both kinds of nokia tips ;) | 00:46 |
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| practisevoodoo | anyone know where i can get hold of ncurses-base for diablo? | 01:12 |
| practisevoodoo | ive tried this http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg13489.html | 01:12 |
| practisevoodoo | but no luck | 01:12 |
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| jott | practisevoodoo: it's in sdk/free and tools/free | 01:14 |
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| practisevoodoo | this one? http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 01:15 |
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| zap | practisevoodoo: you need the terminfo database? | 01:17 |
| practisevoodoo | err, maybe? what is it? | 01:18 |
| zap | /usr/share/terminfo/* | 01:18 |
| zap | the terminal definition database | 01:18 |
| jott | zap: did you get my msg about mc? :) | 01:19 |
| zap | no | 01:19 |
| zap | when you wrote it? | 01:19 |
| jott | couple of hours ago. | 01:19 |
| jott | zap: could you add something like if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi to the mc.postinst please? | 01:19 |
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| zap | ok | 01:20 |
| jott | great, thanks. | 01:20 |
| zap | how you got without DISPLAY? | 01:20 |
| jott | scratchbox | 01:20 |
| zap | aha | 01:20 |
| zap | indeed :) | 01:20 |
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| zap | I just leave mc unconfigured, and it works fine :) | 01:20 |
| jott | hehe it wines about exit 1 in postinst :p | 01:21 |
| zap | but that won't work | 01:23 |
| zap | I have DISPLAY=:2 in my scratchbox | 01:23 |
| jott | mh. | 01:23 |
| jott | its empty here | 01:23 |
| zap | better to check for some env var specific for sb | 01:23 |
| zap | its empty for you, but I set it | 01:23 |
| zap | for Xnest | 01:23 |
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| zap | mmh | 01:24 |
| jott | yep, i just set it manually from time to time. | 01:24 |
| jott | but detecting sbox would also be ok. | 01:24 |
| zap | does osso-af-init.sh set it to :2? | 01:24 |
| zap | I don't remember now why I set it... | 01:24 |
| jott | i think you have to set it manually (or in .bashrc or what ever) | 01:25 |
| zap | test -L /scratchbox maybe? | 01:25 |
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| jott | mh yeah, should work. i wonder if there is a "proper" way. | 01:26 |
| zap | or $SBOX_TARGET_NAME | 01:26 |
| jott | http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2008-June/001260.html :) | 01:26 |
| jott | yeah. | 01:26 |
| jott | hmm how comes i don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME ? | 01:27 |
| zap | strange | 01:27 |
| zap | it's set when you select a target | 01:27 |
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| jott | if [ -e /targets/links/scratchbox.config ] ; then ... | 01:28 |
| zap | do a env|grep SBOX_ | 01:28 |
| jott | yeah. | 01:28 |
| zap | and? | 01:28 |
| jott | both things in proposed in the mail should be fine i guess. | 01:28 |
| zap | I like env vars better | 01:29 |
| zap | but I'm worried you said you don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME? | 01:29 |
| jott | then do it this way :) | 01:29 |
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| jott | nope... | 01:29 |
| jott | hmm | 01:29 |
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| zap | weird | 01:29 |
| zap | ok then, I'll check for -e /scratchbox | 01:30 |
| jott | indeed weird. | 01:30 |
| zap | this will work for Ubuntu as well :) | 01:30 |
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| zap | (if you have sb installed) | 01:30 |
| jott | hehe indeed. i use your mc under ubuntu ;) | 01:31 |
| jott | where is it from? | 01:31 |
| jott | i like the free disk space in the panels :) | 01:31 |
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| mikkov_ | totally screwed package :( https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/pyrdesktop_1.3.0-2/i386.build.log.OK.txt | 01:33 |
| jott | :/ | 01:34 |
| mikkov_ | where was that automatic tester? | 01:34 |
| zap | jott: it's the Fedora 9 mc plus a colorizer patch I found on a russian forum, which I almost completely rewrote | 01:36 |
| zap | there's a bug I don't like - the cursor is invisible when on a tab in editor | 01:37 |
| jott | is it?! seems fine here..hmm | 01:37 |
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| zap | jott: open a editor, enter a tab (ctrl+q, <tab>) and then press the right arrow | 01:39 |
| zap | this is an annoying bug, I must fix it sometimes | 01:39 |
| zap | oops, the left arrow, not right | 01:40 |
| jott | i see it here :O | 01:40 |
| zap | text console or xterm? | 01:40 |
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| zap | that's strange since for me it behaves identically in Fedora 9 and Ubuntu | 01:40 |
| zap | and on IT | 01:41 |
| jott | zap: konsole on the desktop. | 01:42 |
| jott | but you are right on the device it's invisible. | 01:42 |
| zap | hmm, I don't use konsole | 01:42 |
| zap | I think the guy that made that patch uses konsole as well | 01:43 |
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| zap | indeed, in konsole it's visible | 01:43 |
| jott | zap: also in urxvt and xterm. | 01:43 |
| jott | strange | 01:43 |
| jott | (but the cursor color is different there) | 01:44 |
| zap | seems that it hits a bug in libvte then | 01:44 |
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| jott | indeed, just installed gnome-terminal and there it vanishes. | 01:46 |
| zap | osso-xterm and gnome-terminal uses same backend library - libvte | 01:46 |
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| jott | yep | 01:47 |
| jott | but different versions :) | 01:48 |
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| jott | the libvte on the device can't even handle "bright black" | 01:48 |
| zap | hmm, can you disable bold text in konsole? | 01:48 |
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| jott | hm can't see an option for it. | 01:49 |
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| zap | how you live with a bold mc? :) | 01:49 |
| jott | you mean bold as in font weight? | 01:50 |
| zap | yes | 01:50 |
| jott | i use terminus bold :) | 01:50 |
| zap | colors 8-15 are bold | 01:50 |
| jott | so everything is bold :) | 01:50 |
| zap | aha, so konsole just can't boldify your font | 01:50 |
| zap | since it's bitmap | 01:50 |
| jott | yes. | 01:50 |
| zap | sucks | 01:51 |
| jott | i'm fine with it. it think color is enough "bold" for me :) | 01:51 |
| zap | exactly, but konsole makes high-intensity colors use bold fonts when I use a ttf font | 01:52 |
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| jott | zap: ah you can change it in the color schema defintion. | 01:55 |
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| jott | for each color | 01:55 |
| jott | the "linux color" profile does not use bold at all | 01:56 |
| zap | I don't see a difference | 01:56 |
| jott | go to settings -> configure konsole -> schema and untick "Bold" for every color :) | 01:57 |
| zap | kdebase-4.0.5-5.fc9.x86_64 | 01:57 |
| zap | you have kde 4 or 3? | 01:57 |
| jott | ok | 01:58 |
| jott | ah i still use konsole from kde 3 | 01:58 |
| zap | there's no "Bold" tick there in konsole4 :( | 01:58 |
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| jott | this sucks :( | 01:58 |
| jott | anyway, you can close your mc bug as WONTFIX :P | 01:59 |
| zap | meh, every terminal has it's own glitches :) | 01:59 |
| zap | I believe cursor is not visible because background color == foreground color there | 02:00 |
| zap | just different intensities (background low intensity) | 02:00 |
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| zap | so libvte chooses a bad cursor color | 02:01 |
| zap | mc | 02:01 |
| zap | oops) | 02:01 |
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| balrog-kun | hey, how do you enable the bluetooth from the commandline? the standard utilities don't seem to manage to power it up | 02:30 |
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| pahartik | balrog-kun: Do you want traditional Bluetooth utilities provided by "bluez-utils-test"? | 03:16 |
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| balrog-kun | pahartik: yes | 03:34 |
| balrog-kun | pahartik: it seems my problem is elsewhere though, and bluez-utils will just work once the hci_h4p driver manages to load the firmware | 03:34 |
| balrog-kun | i'm havng problems showing it where to load the firmware from | 03:35 |
| pahartik | balrog-kun: What is that firmware all about? | 03:35 |
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| oilinki | good morning. | 03:44 |
| oilinki | can anyone share a good sources.list for n810/n800 / diablo with me? | 03:45 |
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| oilinki | there used to be one website where to create one, but I can not find it anymore | 03:46 |
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| balrog-kun | pahartik: the driver needs to load /lib/firmware/bc4fw.bin | 03:48 |
| balrog-kun | in the normal setup it goes right there and reads the file, in my setup it tells me it can't find it | 03:48 |
| t_s_o | i keep having trouble opening mails via anything other then the mail -> open menu entry | 03:48 |
| oilinki | how about this one? http://www.latheofdreams.com/?p=35 | 03:52 |
| oilinki | but there is also mistral | 03:52 |
| jott | oilinki: "extras" should be sufficient nowadays and if you are experimental add "extras-devel" | 03:52 |
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| balrog-kun | ok, it seems udevd needs to be running for any firmware to get loaded | 03:53 |
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| oilinki | jott: I'm missing some of the apps which I used to have with chinook. therefore wondering what would be good to add | 03:53 |
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| oilinki | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ haa. here is some | 03:55 |
| jott | oilinki: what are you missing? | 03:56 |
| jott | try to promote it that someone puts it in extras | 03:56 |
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| oilinki | jott: at the momen couple of the games :) | 04:00 |
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| robink | What's the ideal way to bind an rfcomm connection to a device with Maemo? | 04:58 |
| robink | Should I use /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf like normal (do Maemo's tools read that?)? | 04:59 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuLLYzaZaJ4 nice picodrive vid on omap3530 | 05:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping I'll have the reserve cash to get a Pandora, too. | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | ti's pr blitz for beagleboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KcNgeUriqA | 05:42 |
| pupnik | kind of a poor looking app though | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Google Earth on the N900. | 05:43 |
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| dougt | hmm. I succeed in horking my /ect/init.d/x-server* file. now the device doesn't boot. is there a way to mount the device's file system so that I can edit this file? | 05:51 |
| dougt | succeeded even. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, do you have multiboot setup? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have a few options, if you have something else you can boot into, then you can chroot into your install to fix it. | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or you can use usbnet and ssh/telnet to fix it if you have fanoush's bootmenu installed. | 05:58 |
| dougt | it is a vanilla device with a foobar'ed x init file | 05:59 |
| dougt | it is just looping. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't you'll need to find a jffs2 image you can flash to it. | 05:59 |
| dougt | attempting to startup but dying | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, uh, is ssh installed? | 05:59 |
| dougt | it is. | 05:59 |
| dougt | :-) | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and will it autoconnect to wifi? | 05:59 |
| dougt | it should | 05:59 |
| dougt | but.... | 05:59 |
| dougt | it isn't hanging. | 05:59 |
| dougt | it goes through the boot process, then discovers that it can start X, and reboots itself. | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | If that doesn't work, then flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it'll boot and ignore the fact that the xserver is dying | 06:01 |
| dougt | cool | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it autoconnects, you can ssh into it and fix | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is your device or somebody else's? | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flash-boot | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flash-booting | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 06:01 |
| infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There it is | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's yours, consider setting that up. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, remember to flasher-3.0 --clear-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-lifeguard-reset when you're done/ | 06:02 |
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| moontiger | any word on the icd2 thingy related to PAN yet? | 06:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, fix is in the repo | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the bug for details | 07:02 |
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| * hachi goes searching to see if there's a new OS release yet | 07:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Has been for a while. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Several, actually. | 07:10 |
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| hachi | maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FLASH....yadda yadda | 07:14 |
| hachi | points to wiki.maemo.org | 07:15 |
| hachi | which is dead? | 07:15 |
| hachi | ooop, reloaded it 6 times, finally go the page instead of a white page | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 07:15 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:15 |
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| hachi | yeah, it wasn't a url problem, the web server was returning an empty 200 response | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just reload | 07:17 |
| hachi | is there a changelog? | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | server upgrades are coming in a week or two | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~diablo-changelogs | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~diablo-changelog | 07:18 |
| infobot | i heard diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just change the Bugzilla search to read 4.1.1 | 07:18 |
| hachi | wow | 07:18 |
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| moontiger | GA... its just that there was an update to MaemoPAN today and i got all excited and thought nokia might have fixed the icd2 thing | 07:24 |
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| GAN800 | moontiger, they released a fix; | 07:25 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: roughly what timefram can we expect to hear about the n<whatever is next>? Any idea? | 07:25 |
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| moontiger | really??? why can i not use PAN still then? do i have to do something? | 07:25 |
| GAN800 | uh? | 07:25 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans. | 07:26 |
| GAN800 | FCC should be around 90 days before release | 07:27 |
| GAN800 | expect some more details the day of release. ;) | 07:28 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: haha, I didn't know what the level of leakage was | 07:28 |
| GAN800 | low | 07:29 |
| summatusmentis | bummer :) | 07:29 |
| moontiger | ummmmm sorry for going on about it but... im not able to see my PAN connection still from the connections selector ... is that supposed to be fixed? | 07:30 |
| hachi | awwww, segmentation fault | 07:30 |
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| GAN800 | moontiger, did you look at the bug and install the fix? . . . . | 07:31 |
| GAN800 | it's got 'DUMMY' in the summary. | 07:31 |
| moontiger | ummmmmmm where do i finfd that? im sorry :/ | 07:31 |
| GAN800 | bugs.maemo.org | 07:31 |
| moontiger | thnx :) | 07:32 |
| moontiger | GAN800... cant find it anywhere there :( | 07:36 |
| hachi | anyone know why nokia would choose to make a chinese font package, but not do japanese (or korean, but I don't care about that myself) | 07:37 |
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| Knowledge | Guys, any word on a successor to the N810 yet? I really want a new gadget that I'm not going to use and can't decide on waiting for the new iPod Touch, or the newer version of the N810...if such a beast will exist... | 07:41 |
| doc|home | it might do, but it'll get even more closed :/ | 07:41 |
| GAN800 | um? | 07:41 |
| GAN800 | OMAP3 | 07:42 |
| Knowledge | wow, I just realized that I could possibly control my IC-7000 with USB OTG... | 07:42 |
| Knowledge | that's right GAN, I remember you telling me that a few weeks back | 07:42 |
| Knowledge | But any ideas on when...or roughly around? | 07:43 |
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| GAN800 | Knowledge, , Nokia does not announce future hardware plans. | 07:44 |
| GAN800 | FCC should be around 90 days before release | 07:44 |
| GAN800 | expect some more details the day of release. ;) | 07:44 |
| Knowledge | I also remember you telling me that thing about Nokia... | 07:44 |
| Knowledge | Grrr....I hate waiting... | 07:45 |
| Knowledge | I could only imagine what the next beast is going to have.... | 07:45 |
| Knowledge | I just hope there's a d-pad on the OUTside of the thing....I never noticed that until it was mentioned here. | 07:46 |
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| moontiger | think i found it on itt :) | 07:47 |
| Knowledge | is maemo.org the only place for apps? I could swear I saw an app related to Ham Radio a while back..... | 07:51 |
| Knowledge | maybe on garage.maemo? | 07:51 |
| Knowledge | hmmm | 07:51 |
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| GAN800 | Where do you get Windows applications? :P | 07:52 |
| Knowledge | demonoid | 07:53 |
| Knowledge | ;-) | 07:53 |
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| moontiger | it works!! sooooo good :) | 07:58 |
| moontiger | thnx guys :) | 07:58 |
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| Knowledge | g'nite guys. | 08:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Could the plenware guys be more useless? | 08:38 |
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| Khertgan_again | hi | 09:04 |
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| qwerty12 | hello Khertan | 09:05 |
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| Khertgan_again | hello qwerty12 | 09:10 |
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| liri | morning Khertan | 09:18 |
| liri | how's the google notebooks app going? :) | 09:19 |
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| Khertgan_again | liri: at this time ... there is no file created :) | 09:23 |
| Khertgan_again | still working on mcalendar :) | 09:24 |
| Khertgan_again | and i must finish mContacts before the summit :) | 09:24 |
| * qwerty12 decides whether to make a sudoers file or just depend on rootsh | easyroot | becomeroot :/ | 09:25 | |
| moontiger | if i finish my lil app before then i'll have a go at it if you like :) | 09:25 |
| Khertgan_again | you can :) | 09:26 |
| moontiger | im starting to get the hang of things a bit more :) | 09:26 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, rotation support? | 09:35 |
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| qwerty12 | GAN800: Yeah. I'm not sure about one thing though. I'm taking the lazy way out and already providing pre compiled binaries of the kernel and Xomap. I don't know if there is a licensing issue there :/. I guess I can get the rules file to rebuild from source but I'm too lazy. | 09:37 |
| GAN800 | How does Nokia invoke flash-and-reboot? | 09:38 |
| qwerty12 | They have a flag set in the control file. But I'm not using flash-and-reboot, I'm just running fiasco-flasher straight from the postinst. | 09:39 |
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| GAN800 | By the way, this is gonna be fucking awesome once you get it working. :D | 09:39 |
| GAN800 | ah, ok, that's probably a better plan | 09:39 |
| GAN800 | So you don't pick up an errant initfs image and overwrite somebody's bootmenu. | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :D. It's actually a package that I'm going to have to actually maintain >.< | 09:40 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :) | 09:40 |
| liri | writing over inifts=bad | 09:40 |
| GAN800 | kernel and rotation-support to Extras-devel, rest to Extras, right? | 09:40 |
| GAN800 | liri, that's how it has to be upgraded. | 09:40 |
| hachi | only thing I would want rotation for is reading PDF | 09:41 |
| qwerty12 | I'm actually keeping it in one package. I don't want to upload an xserver and making people's ssu jump. | 09:41 |
| hachi | are there other good uses for it? | 09:41 |
| GAN800 | anything that might work better in protrait. . . | 09:41 |
| hachi | that could have gone without saying | 09:42 |
| hachi | I'm fishing for slightly more concrete ideas | 09:42 |
| GAN800 | FBReader, browser, Notes, text editing, etc. | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | This actually works pretty easily. The dependencies of the package will install advanced-backlight and all the postinst does is overwrite the Xomap binary with a symlink pointing to an Xomap with xrandr extension and flash the kernel. | 09:43 |
| GAN800 | Hrm, what happens when Nokia updates the xserve? Symlink is overwritten? | 09:44 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, but I include a reinstall script that just "resymlinks" it | 09:44 |
| hachi | does this OS have dpkg-divert? | 09:45 |
| hachi | you could use that | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | And if in the rare event Nokia actually update libxrandr or the xserver, I'll just update the package. | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | hachi: good point actually | 09:45 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, what happens when they want to uninstall the package? | 09:46 |
| GAN800 | Where do you grab the xserver from again? | 09:46 |
| hachi | dpkg-divert handles that just fine | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install --reinstall xomap-xserver would work as it's in the catalogue repository | 09:47 |
| GAN800 | You sure? | 09:47 |
| GAN800 | diablo-1, too? | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | diablo-1 is blank, check the Packages file for it | 09:47 |
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| hachi | it sounds a bit dangerous, like you could end up removing your package and have no X server for a period of time | 09:48 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, then where will you get Xomap? | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | I haven't really thought about uninstalling. if you uninstall the package, you just uninstall the package. rotation is still there. | 09:48 |
| GAN800 | Uninstall need | 09:49 |
| GAN800 | s to uninstall | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800: I don't know the specifics but even though diablo-1 is blank, it still picks up packages from diablo | 09:49 |
| GAN800 | diablo isn't in the catalog list. . . . | 09:50 |
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| GAN800 | I'd like to hear why they thought it would be a better idea to ship a new goddamn repository for each freaking update. . . . | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | For me it isn't but --reinstall still works fine. The only time it wouldn't work if the user had no internet connection or (stupidly) disabled the update repository. | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | I think this one was to fix the apt-get message | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | I hear emjayes has got rotation working easily, he has a button in his program that will install rotation | 09:52 |
| GAN800 | No package management? :/ | 09:52 |
| GAN800 | I don't think we should unecessarily break or bypass the package management system. | 09:53 |
| XTL | brilliant | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia's version stuff has me doing it though. If I upload an xserver I hold the risk of bricking people's devices when they see it and think it's a shiny update. | 09:54 |
| GAN800 | It wont appear in h-a-m, though. | 09:55 |
| XTL | Especially since the "not from Nokia" nag screen comes up wwhen installing anything useful | 09:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, you know the fools that use red-pill mode without understanding it... | 09:55 |
| GAN800 | They get what they deserve. | 09:55 |
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| qwerty12 | XTL: True. Think I can get mvo to program a not from qwerty12 screen :D? | 09:56 |
| XTL | :) | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm | 09:56 |
| * GAN800 still can't believe there's not a non-broken-as-fuck way to pick a dependency based on hardware. | 09:56 | |
| hachi | qwerty12: I'd blame the instructions on the wiki that tell you to use it without telling you what it is | 09:57 |
| GAN800 | The health warning is going to be reduced in annoyingness. | 09:57 |
| GAN800 | Which wiki? | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | hachi: Lots of people say to use it. I won't deny I'm one of them but I say it in a time where it would actually benefit. | 09:57 |
| hachi | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access # for example | 09:58 |
| GAN800 | Has somebody asked a real Debian packager if there's a way to pull that off yet? | 09:58 |
| hachi | crap, wrong page | 09:58 |
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| * GAN800 is scarred shitless of rm_you's dirty hack. | 09:58 | |
| hachi | http://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_in_Diablo | 09:58 |
| hachi | step 5 | 09:58 |
| GAN800 | hachi, broken as page moved from the itT wiki. | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | s/as/ass/ | 09:59 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: hachi, broken ass page moved from the itT wiki. | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | It'll be deleted as soon as qwerty12 gets the package together. | 09:59 |
| * qwerty12 has his doubts on the packge | 09:59 | |
| qwerty12 | package even | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, anyway, talk to jott about it, would you? | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | sure | 10:00 |
| GAN800 | There's a clean and robust way to do it. | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | jott actually knows what he is doing :) | 10:00 |
| * qwerty12 passes the buck | 10:00 | |
| GAN800 | Maybe drop -developers a line and see if you can elicit a response from some @nokias. | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, good idea. I'm in a whole lot of dilemma's with this package. I can't provide a quick and easy way to uninstall, because I can't run another dpkg/apt when hildon-application-manager is running. If I provide the original kernel and xomap with the package, it wastes space :/ | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | s/'s/s | 10:03 |
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| GAN800 | I'd be interested in hearing if m-vo has any ideas. | 10:03 |
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| qwerty12 | In all honesty, I'm tempted to leave the package as it is and just upload only to extras-devel | 10:04 |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, start with jusy the kernel package for now? | 10:05 |
| GAN800 | just* | 10:05 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, think you could ask about diablo-1 in the -developers email? | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah. I still don't know if I can upload a binary only kernel and write a document on how I compiled this kernel. If I can't then it's gonna be a shitload of stuff I have to write in rules :/ | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800: Sure | 10:06 |
| GAN800 | Can autobuilder handle kernels? | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, the fuse package does it | 10:07 |
| _marcell_ | GAN800: what about the diablo-1? Maybe I can answer to some questions. | 10:07 |
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| GAN800 | Why do we need a new upgrade repo for each new SSU push? | 10:09 |
| GAN800 | Tableteer updates WAS going to become a nice place go get replacement system packages. | 10:09 |
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| GAN800 | But diablo-1/ hasn't been populated with anything, and diablo/ was removed. | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | diablo is still there | 10:10 |
| GAN800 | So people with 30-2 can't replace their xservers (or any other system packages). | 10:10 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, not here. | 10:11 |
| _marcell_ | as far as I remember the idea was to provide incremental upgrades. something might come that applies only on top of the first ssu. | 10:11 |
| johnx | GAN800, they probably don't want a complete system floating around on a semi-public server | 10:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, this is how i see it as working. | 10:11 |
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| qwerty12 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ has the updates in it. I know for sure as the kernel-diablo-flasher is now -29 instead of -23. The 29 corresponds with the latest update. diablo-1 is empty. The packages file is blank, so no files must be gotten from there. it's some odd sort of link. | 10:12 |
| _marcell_ | I am not completely sure but isn't it so that the plain diablo has the ssu repo configured as diablo/ then the ssu changes the ssu repo to diablo-1, | 10:12 |
| GAN800 | It causes a bit of trouble when somebody tries to apt-get upgrade without an osso-software-version and nokia-repositories removes theur ability to get it. | 10:13 |
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| GAN800 | That evil damn nokia-repositories package. | 10:13 |
| GAN800 | The latest set of packages should at least be included in the latest update repo | 10:14 |
| _marcell_ | yes, I told kottori about the nokia-repositories and he promised to talk to mvo as soon as he gets back from vacation | 10:14 |
| GAN800 | It's passworded, so 'not having everything in one place' is a nonsense argument. | 10:14 |
| GAN800 | The end result is more pain and suffering for users with the current. | 10:15 |
| _marcell_ | yes, it's passworded, but with a not-so-secret password | 10:15 |
| GAN800 | setup | 10:15 |
| GAN800 | Which is sad, because Nokia seemed to be moving in a 'let's try NOT to make things harder for users than they need to be' with the way the pre-23-14 Diablo updates were handled. | 10:16 |
| qwerty12 | Is there really any point in keeping a password on it? From what i can see, I don't see much difference from what is actually already present on our tablets. | 10:16 |
| GAN800 | Same reason tablets-dev is authenticated. | 10:17 |
| _marcell_ | might be so and I am not trying to defend nokia too much here, but there are all kinds of legal restrictions and contracts with other third party providers like adobe, intel skype and friends that demand that we do not share the stuff with the general public before the official relese. | 10:17 |
| _marcell_ | release | 10:17 |
| qwerty12 | I see | 10:17 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, I'd like to see this talked out on -developers. | 10:18 |
| _marcell_ | from legal point of view having a password is good enough. even a not so well hidden password | 10:18 |
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| GAN800 | Arguing it on a finger-keyboard is tiring. | 10:18 |
| _marcell_ | It's the same thing as export control to syria and a handful of other countries. This is mandatory, no way around and a huge pain in the ass to maintain a system which makes the lawyers happy. | 10:19 |
| GAN800 | Cloning the releases of all packages to diablo-1 from diablo would satisfy me for the time being. | 10:20 |
| * qwerty12 is doubtful this rotation-support package will get done. I'll work on it to the best of my ability (which isn't much) but there is SO MUCH SHIT to workaround, that is makes it impossible for me. I'm hypothesising so much possible problems, I'm getting an headache. No, usually, I'm not a drama queen. | 10:20 | |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, poke the community-kernels crew, too. ;) | 10:21 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800: It's the xserver that is giving me problems. At the moment, I'm depending on libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.1-1). If nokia update it then there is a good chance the xserver wont start. If I specify libxrandr2 (= 2:1.2.1-1) then I may not allow a possible nokia update to happen :/ | 10:22 |
| qwerty12 | I'll work on it as best as I can and then pass it off to a proper packager | 10:23 |
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| qwerty12 | It would be so much easier if nokia would just ship the fucking xrandr xserver and kernel with each release | 10:24 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 10:24 |
| GAN800 | Way too much testing before that'll happen. | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | If nokia did then rotation-support = advanced-backlight :) | 10:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i'm back again | 10:25 |
| GAN800 | Be nice if they'd warn us of releases. | 10:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | subway and 3g doesn t work very well | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | I don't get it though, Nokia happily ship libxrandr2 and from what I could quickly see, the gtk is linked against it | 10:26 |
| GAN800 | But considering the community finds out before most of Maemo Software. . . . | 10:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | some engineer that don t know apt which have take this stupid decision to change repository diablo to diablo-1 | 10:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:26 |
| GAN800 | One wonders | 10:27 |
| GAN800 | Nokia USUALLY doesn't do things for no reason, but I would like to get an explanation. | 10:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yeah USUALLY | 10:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:28 |
| GAN800 | Whether those reasons actually make sense, well. . . . | 10:28 |
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| * qwerty12 is glad to find out he is a virus :/ | 10:28 | |
| GAN800 | But at least they are reasons. | 10:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 10:28 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: google qwerty12.exe :/ | 10:28 |
| * GAN800 still wants an answer on tablet-browser-ui. | 10:29 | |
| aquatix | How to remove qwerty12? | 10:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 10:29 |
| aquatix | [first hit] | 10:29 |
| aquatix | [modified slightly ;)] | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | lol, i'm a hated man :D | 10:29 |
| aquatix | ``Help qwerty12.exe pop ups driving me mad'' | 10:29 |
| aquatix | teehee | 10:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a trojan | 10:29 |
| * qwerty12 steals jott's XB-Maemo-Icon-26. Hope he doesn't mind :) | 10:30 | |
| * qwerty12 can't draw to save me life | 10:30 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | Identified as a variant of the Trojan.Win32.Agent.aoy Trojan. | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | Ironically, it would be nice if I did actually make that virus because it means I can actually program :P | 10:32 |
| aquatix | *g* | 10:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: lol | 10:38 |
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| qwerty12 | For rotation-support, I'll go with placebo effect. When I'm uninstalling, I'll only restore the xomap. I'd like to flash the kernel but as they are given different numbers and flash-and-reboot has a tendency to delete them, I don't think that will work. | 10:39 |
| * Stskeeps pokes his kernel crashing debian with a stick on fire. | 10:40 | |
| qwerty12 | It's odd that you have to have DEBUG kernel enabled or mce crashes on shutdown :P | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i have a really awkward problem with softcursor blowing up in my face :P | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | eek, compiled in or modules? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | modules | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | still wonders me wtf goes on | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | fanoush's fb_update_mode is cool, using that and fbgrab, I managed to get a screenshot of my bootup | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i use fb_update_mode as well | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | Sigh. I'd give fanoush the black linuxrc and bootmenu.sh but I've made too changes :( | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | *too much | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. i don't have a /mnt/initfs | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if that fucks things up.. | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yup. pivot root to a non existent directory -really- blows up things | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 10:50 |
| * qwerty12 takes a break and de stresses himself by killing people, jacking cars and having a wanted level. In GTA of course. | 10:50 | |
| qwerty12 | Hey RST38h | 10:50 |
| * Khertan_n810 still doesn t understand what is the purpose of twitter | 10:50 | |
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| GAN800 | Khertan, irc for losers? | 10:52 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: 1. Create buzz 2. Sell out to Google | 10:52 |
| RST38h | 3. Go to Bahamas | 10:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 10:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe i should make a similar useless website | 10:53 |
| * Khertan_n810 need to find a idea | 10:53 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | google have already bought jaiku | 10:56 |
| bef0rd | oui | 10:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bef0rd are u french ? | 10:59 |
| bef0rd | no, but I like to say oui :D | 11:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 11:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m french and like to say : ya :) | 11:01 |
| rm_you | I'm american and I like to say "Neko wa kawaii desu" >_> | 11:02 |
| rm_you | all people say ridiculous things around cats tho, so i think it's acceptable :P | 11:02 |
| bef0rd | what does that mean? | 11:02 |
| rm_you | approximately "The cat is cute." | 11:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | lool | 11:03 |
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| aquatix | hm, can the canola last.fm plugin scobble too? | 11:03 |
| bef0rd | aquatix, supposedly | 11:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah ! i ve received my tshirt | 11:04 |
| rm_you | tshirt? :P | 11:04 |
| aquatix | bef0rd: ah, good; its description only mentions playing music *from* last.mf | 11:04 |
| aquatix | *last.fm | 11:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ... the one for the summit | 11:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | with the logo : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 11:05 |
| rm_you | anyone else remember Chocolate Starfish and Hot Dog Flavored Water? >_> | 11:05 |
| rm_you | i think that's what it was called... | 11:05 |
| bef0rd | yep | 11:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rm_you: great album | 11:05 |
| rm_you | randomly found a cd with one of those songs on it in my car | 11:06 |
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| rm_you | and i was like, wtf happened to them | 11:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum they ve made a fucking bad album | 11:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | and know we don t more ear it | 11:06 |
| rm_you | sah didn't Borland leave or summat? >_> | 11:07 |
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| bef0rd | borland? | 11:07 |
| bef0rd | fred durst | 11:08 |
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| qwerty12 | IGP + Overclocking = Hell No | 11:08 |
| rm_you | ah right | 11:08 |
| rm_you | no | 11:08 |
| rm_you | it was Borland | 11:08 |
| rm_you | and now he does this: http://www.blacklightburns.com/ | 11:09 |
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| aquatix | way to go, an all-image webiste | 11:09 |
| aquatix | man i can't type today :( | 11:09 |
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| timeless | why does http://maemo.org/profile/list/ not list a company for qgil? | 11:11 |
| timeless | hrm, i'm not very high in the userlist | 11:11 |
| timeless | how does one earn *negative* karma? | 11:11 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/profile/view/karoliina/ | 11:12 |
| timeless | Karma -192 | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | The community wants her sacked :/ | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 11:12 |
| XTL | Impersonating a woman on the net | 11:12 |
| XTL | And having a blog on expired domainname? | 11:13 |
| rm_you | YOU're not very high!? i'm on page SIX! >_< | 11:13 |
| bef0rd | there are no womans on the internet :| | 11:13 |
| timeless | hrm, is maemo.org/community/wiki readonly? | 11:14 |
| rm_you | I still can't login to the wiki >_> | 11:15 |
| rm_you | so lame | 11:15 |
| rm_you | I may revisit my bug report | 11:15 |
| rm_you | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512 | 11:16 |
| rm_you | no activity >_> | 11:16 |
| rm_you | can i just like, post another comment asking for a progress update? >_> | 11:16 |
| timeless | heh | 11:17 |
| timeless | you can | 11:17 |
| timeless | but you could also send email | 11:17 |
| rm_you | ? | 11:17 |
| timeless | i'd just poke andre__ | 11:17 |
| timeless | and make him do the nagging | 11:17 |
| rm_you | andre__: poke? >_> | 11:17 |
| bef0rd | https://launchpad.net/~karoliina-t-salminen | 11:18 |
| XTL | What you do after a peek | 11:18 |
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| _marcell_ | rm_you: I pinged Ferenc about 3512 | 11:23 |
| rm_you | thanks, I would love to be able to actually log in :) | 11:24 |
| rm_you | not that it's unusable... i can still edit anonymously | 11:24 |
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| timeless | oh, hi _marcell_ | 11:25 |
| _marcell_ | hi timeless | 11:25 |
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| bef0rd | hi _marcell_ | 11:30 |
| timeless | so um | 11:30 |
| timeless | can someone please explain what bug 229 wants? :) | 11:30 |
| timeless | and is tim samoff around? | 11:32 |
| XTL | You mean originally or still? | 11:32 |
| XTL | for the bug :9 | 11:32 |
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| timeless | ? | 11:32 |
| timeless | 1. what does the bug actually want | 11:32 |
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| timeless | preferably w/ a real web page and actual pictures showing what should change and how | 11:33 |
| timeless | and explaining why such a change makes using that web page better | 11:33 |
| XTL | 1. I think, independent resizes for text and images | 11:33 |
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| timeless | you need to answer the rest of it | 11:33 |
| timeless | the little bit you have is the little unuseful bit the bug has | 11:33 |
| timeless | 2. presence of tim | 11:33 |
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| timeless | -t | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | woop, think i might have solved the fsck problem on deblet \o/ | 11:49 |
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| bef0rd | buu | 12:14 |
| * gomiam jumps frightened | 12:14 | |
| gomiam | ;-) | 12:14 |
| bef0rd | haha, hi. | 12:14 |
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| gomiam | "haha, hi"... it's the first time I see a written stutter :-) | 12:15 |
| gomiam | anyway welcome to the sleepy #maemo channel | 12:16 |
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| gomiam | by the way, bef0rd, are from a Spanish-speaking country, by any chance? | 12:17 |
| XTL | ugh, coffee's gone cold | 12:17 |
| bef0rd | yea, I'm from Colombia | 12:17 |
| gomiam | bef0rd: ya me pareció, cuando escribiste "buu" en vez de "boo" ;-) | 12:17 |
| bef0rd | haha | 12:18 |
| * bef0rd failed at booing | 12:18 | |
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| RST38h | yawn | 12:30 |
| bef0rd | boo | 12:31 |
| * gomiam jumps frightened ("Stop doing that!";-) | 12:32 | |
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| * bef0rd does it right this time | 12:33 | |
| bef0rd | :P | 12:33 |
| RST38h | "buu" is fine | 12:33 |
| gomiam | :-D | 12:34 |
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| bef0rd | lolcatz make me lol. | 12:48 |
| bef0rd | so gomiam, :P, where you from? spain? | 12:48 |
| gomiam | yup | 12:48 |
| bef0rd | cool | 12:50 |
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| gomiam | no, quite hot, currently ;-) | 12:52 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder how hard it would be to write a python app that would basically download random images from lolcatz and display them on the tablet ever so often... | 12:52 |
| gomiam | (summer has these things) | 12:52 |
| gomiam | t_s_o: if you don't know Python it will be a bit harder ;-) | 12:53 |
| t_s_o | heh, all the more reason to learn i guess ;) | 12:53 |
| bef0rd | that can't be hard, dunno what would be the appropiate way to display it | 12:53 |
| bef0rd | home screen applet? | 12:53 |
| aquatix | bef0rd: lolrus coat of arms http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/a37e/?cpg=ab | 12:54 |
| t_s_o | i was thinking more like some kind of fullscreen app, like a digital pictureframe | 12:55 |
| t_s_o | so that one could just put the tablet on a desk, plugged into the charger ;) | 12:55 |
| bef0rd | and let the lulz begin | 12:55 |
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| XTL | Screensaver | 12:56 |
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| bef0rd | aquatix, heh they stole lolrus bucket :( | 12:57 |
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| Dazza | hi ppl | 13:34 |
| Dazza | hi ppl | 13:34 |
| Dazza | hows tricks? | 13:34 |
| bef0rd | hi | 13:35 |
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| Dazza | howdy | 13:35 |
| bef0rd | great, how about you? | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | meh | 14:25 |
| Khertan | hey ... do you have see the intel wireless display project ? | 14:29 |
| Khertan | it s look like the nokia nobounds projects | 14:29 |
| Khertan | s/projects/project | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, no, but does it require an additional computer still? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | (mind you, there are thin client samsung lcd monitors now (which run linux) | 14:30 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: really ? do you have a link for this client samsung lcd monitors ? | 14:35 |
| jott | Khertan: you could also get a asus eee box, they include a vesa mount :) | 14:36 |
| lcuk | Khertan, http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=509V&tduid=b6a97dd90dc0776e1cb6e9d557c02491 | 14:37 |
| lcuk | or you could hack an n8x0 add a fresnel lens and have fun | 14:38 |
| jott | i guess you get something faster and cheaper with the asus thingy :) | 14:41 |
| XTL | I wish you could get fresnel lenses from somewhere | 14:43 |
| XTL | I could probably use some | 14:43 |
| Khertan | fresnel lenses ? what is it ? | 14:45 |
| lbt | very nasty way of magnifying a screen... | 14:46 |
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| Eloi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens ;) | 14:46 |
| lbt | afternoon all :) | 14:46 |
| Eloi | Khertan: have you ever seen one of these "game boy" magnifier lens kit? that's a fresnel lens | 14:46 |
| Khertan | hum ... lol | 14:47 |
| Khertan | this work really well for lighthouse | 14:48 |
| Khertan | but for display ... hum | 14:48 |
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| lardman | they are just very flat | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | Now how good is that | 14:49 |
| lardman | you get them in things like atlases - they can be almost paper thin | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | Symbian called for a job interview, and I haven't even sent them my CV ! | 14:49 |
| lardman | and to stick on the back windows of cars | 14:49 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: whoa | 14:50 |
| XTL | Flat and light lenses | 14:50 |
| XTL | Would be great. Not optically, but for directing light. | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | hmm, my n810 ran out of battery tonight... | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | I unhooked it from the charger around 2AM :/ | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | you left it wardialing | 14:51 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, it would seem that spam script you wrote, that uses the Maemo.org database to send my CVs is bloody awesome ! | 14:52 |
| * lcuk wonders when he wrote that | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | why wont hotels let me book the nights i want \@/ | 14:53 |
| * lcuk will have to do some searching tonight | 14:54 | |
| lbt | they are worried about their bacon supplies... | 14:54 |
| lcuk | yer, lardman has already pre-booked an entire pig for himself | 14:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, but it's not got a hotel room :p | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you sharing? | 14:56 |
| lardman | nope | 14:56 |
| lbt | that's it takes a lot longer to smoke a pig - did you ask for a smoking room? | 14:56 |
| lcuk | spider-pig, spider-pig does whatever a spider-pig does | 14:56 |
| lardman | not sure what kind of bed I've got either | 14:56 |
| lardman | will have to check | 14:56 |
| lbt | footprints on the ceiling.. | 14:56 |
| lardman | all this abuse :P | 14:56 |
| * XTL doesn't go there | 14:56 | |
| lcuk | well we have finally sorted out the pennies and getting round to arranging a room for the summit :( gonna have to do some extensive searching tonight cos the missus says its not looking good | 14:57 |
| lardman | you both coming? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | no | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | but she had some time this morning to help arrange | 14:57 |
| * lcuk wishes the world economy ran on bacon | 14:58 | |
| lbt | it doesn't? | 14:58 |
| lcuk | "i'd like a room please" "that will be 24 rashers a night" | 14:58 |
| lbt | then you'd have to give it away | 14:59 |
| lbt | and just get bacon crispies as change | 14:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, you said something yesterday but i didnt understand it | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | "Your search for `junior C++ london' returned: Senior Programme Manager - Public Sector / Integration - Cardiff" | 14:59 |
| lcuk | :D london expansion plans | 14:59 |
| * crashanddie mumbles as he walks off to the kitchen | 14:59 | |
| lcuk | lbt, are you comin to the summit? | 15:00 |
| lbt | no | 15:00 |
| lcuk | and why not.. ? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | I've been thinking, the Summit seems plausible, but I don't think I'll be able to catch OSiM | 15:00 |
| Khertan | last time i made a search on monster with 20km around option ... it give me a list with switzerland based jobs | 15:00 |
| lbt | haven't been involved for that long | 15:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: what was that? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | lbt, neither have lcuk or me | 15:00 |
| lcuk | khertan, french KM are different to everywhere else :P | 15:00 |
| lbt | I'd like to go next time | 15:01 |
| Khertan | wiki.maemo.org is in holiday ? | 15:01 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i think im just comin up to term now - almost 9 months | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | shit | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | you're right | 15:01 |
| lbt | just timing wise I came in later to the community | 15:01 |
| lcuk | dunno lardman, lemme see if i can find it - i saw it flashing didnt understand it and by the time i asked you were gone | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, oh god, times flies by... I remember the days when we were young and unknowing... We would question the happenings around us, demanding for explanation, but all we got, was... http://www.maemo.org | 15:02 |
| lardman | am going to find some lunch now, ask and I'll reply when I get back | 15:02 |
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| zapppp | does someone know why I get this GtkWarning: gtk_tree_model_filter_row_has_child_toggled? | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | do you have any kids in it ? | 15:03 |
| zapppp | I can't figure out what's causing the warning | 15:03 |
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| crashanddie | when do you get this ? What are you trying to do that raises this warning ? | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | because basically, just debug your program to see exactly when this warning is raised, and you should understand what's happening | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | lardman, "lardmanI just installed openlierox (spelling - worms clone), liqbase demo and some graphical du display" | 15:04 |
| Khertan | oh ... someone know loic minier ? | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | nope | 15:05 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh it makes sense now, you were having bug troubles | 15:05 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah ok, | 15:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, micro-font | 15:06 |
| lcuk | did you solve it by the way | 15:06 |
| lardman | nah, have been busy | 15:07 |
| lcuk | as always, speaking of which, ive got some advice notes which need taking care of | 15:07 |
| lcuk | bbl | 15:07 |
| lardman | have fun, bbiab | 15:07 |
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| Khertan | Ubuntu Technical Team Lead for MIDs | 15:08 |
| Khertan | i ask because he take the same flight than me for comming back to france | 15:08 |
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| Khertan | lol there is a patent on how to fast format fat16 and fat32 storage ...http://www.google.com/patents?id=xugIAAAAEBAJ&dq=fat32 | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, ooooh, you gonna get jiggy jiggy with an Ubuntu TL eh ;) | 15:23 |
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| Khertan | jiggy jiggy ? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | tu vas le sucer pour obtenir un taff? :D | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | :-) O=====B | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | :-o=====B | 15:26 |
| Khertan | pfffff | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | 8-O===B | 15:26 |
| Khertan | no comment | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | x-0B | 15:26 |
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| Khertan | tu sais je taff deja hein ... suis pas a la rue | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | rholalala, te vexes pas lol | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | je cherche juste quelques chose en teletravail ou plus pres de chez moi | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | moi je suis quasiment à la rue :D | 15:27 |
| Khertan | tu t'es pas expatrié a londre ? | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | si | 15:27 |
| Khertan | ah bah voila :) | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | j'y suis | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | mais sans travail, j'vais pas durer longtemps :D | 15:28 |
| Khertan | tu cherche dans quoi ? | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | ... | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | la réanimation et reproduction de dictateurs de XXe siècle à nos jours | 15:28 |
| Khertan | ah ... euh faut venir en france dans ce cas | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | MDR | 15:29 |
| Khertan | c'est au gout du jour | 15:29 |
| aquatix | -ELANGPARSEERROR | 15:29 |
| aquatix | [good to test my french though] | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | pourquoi, Sarko et LePen sont parti faire un barbeuc ensemble ? | 15:29 |
| Khertan | au fait aussi des etudes de croisement entre nains et girafe ? | 15:29 |
| Khertan | s/au/on | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | enough for the ad-lib, I'm off to get some cancer in these lungs ! | 15:30 |
| aquatix | eek | 15:30 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: well, erm, have fun? :) | 15:30 |
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| Khertan | aquatix: ;) | 15:30 |
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| dbbddbdb | Hi! Is it normal that Diablo updates repo asks a password (401)? | 15:32 |
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| XTL | dbbddbdb: When using directly or from the tablet sw manager? | 15:40 |
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| dbbddbdb | XTL: when visiting it with a browser or trying to apt-get update. | 15:40 |
| XTL | I don't think the tablet's apt should complain but otherwise it's so by design afaik | 15:40 |
| dbbddbdb | I can't use the Hildon packet manager because after some update (or maybe something else, I don't know yet) my N800 hangs before launching the GUI. | 15:42 |
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| dbbddbdb | I am trying to chroot there from a backup OS (on MTD) and update it manually, but the update repo is 401-protected | 15:43 |
| profoX` | can anyone with a Nokia N8x0 confirm whether the device contains an integrated PowerVR chip or not, which is just "not in use"? | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | profoX`, it's already been confirmed numerous number of times | 15:46 |
| profoX` | ok sorry :) | 15:46 |
| kulve | once a day | 15:46 |
| kulve | yes, there is the hw, no, there is no driver | 15:46 |
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| jott | once a day? once an hour! :p | 15:52 |
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| aquatix | once an hour? once every 10 lines! | 15:54 |
| * aquatix runs | 15:54 | |
| crashanddie | once every 10 lines ? Once every ten words ! | 15:54 |
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| aquatix | once every ten words? it's being talked about *the whole damn time* | 15:55 |
| aquatix | what is a powervr chip? | 15:55 |
| aquatix | ;) | 15:55 |
| XTL | Rule #1 is, you don't talk about the powervr chip | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | The second rule of #maemo is, YOU DO NOT TALK about the powervr chip | 15:57 |
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| mikkov_ | Third rule: if you are new, you HAVE to write the driver | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | no, that's rule number 8 | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | #3: If someone says stop, battery dies, or goes limp, the conversation is over | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | #4: Only two guys talk at the same time | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | #5: One topic at a time | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | #6: No shirts, no shoes (we code in our underwear) | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | #7: Flamewars will go on as long as they have to | 16:00 |
| aquatix | underwear? what underwear? | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | #8: If this is your first night at #maemo, you have to code ! | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | anyway, can anyone help me troubleshooting why scratchbox can't access the interwebz ? | 16:03 |
| XTL | That would actually be a pretty good tos | 16:03 |
| jott | crashanddie: make your resolv.conf shine? :) | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | jott, it does, in many bright colours, but especially the OpenDNS ones | 16:03 |
| jott | what does not work then? | 16:04 |
| jott | as resolv.conf in the target is the most common problem i guess :P | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | well... cat /etc/resolv.conf | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | nameserver 208.67.222.222 | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | nameserver 207.67.220.220 | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | but | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | wget www.google.com | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | Resolving www.google.com... failed: Host not found. | 16:05 |
| XTL | how about host www.google.com 208.67.222.222 | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | host: command not found :P | 16:07 |
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| XTL | Kind of guessed. But for dns debugging, dns utils are handy | 16:07 |
| XTL | See if it's the resolver or the connection to the server was my thought | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | works "aok" on my laptop | 16:08 |
| jott | crashanddie: sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ? :p | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | oh | 16:09 |
| XTL | "oh" is always a good sign :-D | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | Resolving www.google.co.uk... 208.69.34.230, 208.69.34.231 | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | cheers :) | 16:10 |
| liri | there were a couple of applications for showing the ip address as well as system info (cpu/memory) but I lost the links | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | liri, homecpu, homeip, and the like ? | 16:10 |
| jott | itseasywhenyouknowhow | 16:10 |
| liri | crashanddie: yeah, any of those is written in python? | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | all of them | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | jott, just doesn't make sense that there is /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, and a /etc/resolv.conf in the sb environment | 16:11 |
| liri | crashanddie: could you give me the links? I searched garage.maemo.org with no luck | 16:11 |
| jott | sb is a big hack :) | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | liri, they're in the app manager | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | liri, they are CPU hogs though, they'll plunder your battery without regrets | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | jott, one big ugly hack :P | 16:12 |
| liri | crashanddie: I'm interested at taking a look at their sources, so a website for these would be better | 16:12 |
| jott | one is supposed to be used by the target tools the other for the transparent tools . | 16:12 |
| jott | still it could use /etc/resolv.conf in the first palce ;) | 16:13 |
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| liri | ahh they are all a product of Khertan work :) | 16:16 |
| liri | though I see no link to the source | 16:17 |
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| jott | liri: it's python so chances are not that bad that it contains the source :) | 16:21 |
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| liri | jott: yeah obviously, I wasn't trying to say anything else, except that it's not easily available on the website, rather it's packed as a deb. | 16:22 |
| ||cw | python generalt is just source, but it can be compiled | 16:22 |
| liri | jott: I guess I'm used to watch software sources via svn/cvs http browsing so I was expecting that or a direct link to the python code. | 16:22 |
| jott | yep | 16:22 |
| jott | yeah wouldn't be that bad. | 16:23 |
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| bef0rd | jott, thanks for that /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf hint too :P | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | jott++ | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | ~jott++ | 16:31 |
| jott | heh should be put in some FAQ as it seems :) | 16:32 |
| jott | question one of the faq would most certainly be about powervr :) | 16:33 |
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| jott | hm let's see if everything falls apart when i push a newer cdbs to extras-devel :) | 16:34 |
| aquatix | canola is still at beta9? | 16:35 |
| jott | building a chain of dependencies is really awkward with something like the builder :( | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | why can't we talk about powervr? | 16:36 |
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| lardman | go powervr! | 16:36 |
| lcuk | well its go alright, its got up, walked out of the box, through the door, down the road and into the pub for a pint and some bacon nibbles | 16:37 |
| lardman | has it come back? | 16:38 |
| lardman | and is it in a fit state to use? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | i think it drunk so much it forgot where it lived | 16:38 |
| lcuk | it was last seen trying to suckle on the side of an ipod classic | 16:38 |
| jott | hmmmm is arm building broken on the builder!? | 16:38 |
| jott | last two builds did not produce arm ... | 16:39 |
| XTL | what good is a builder with a broken arm? | 16:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: oh well, homefully the beer compass will kick in and it will find its way to us eventually | 16:39 |
| lardman | s/homefully/hopefully | 16:39 |
| jott | it can't write nice packages with a broken arm :) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | :) i agree | 16:39 |
| lcuk | if we cannot use the builder to make arms what chance have we of making the rest of the fembots? | 16:40 |
| lardman | it's far too early for that level of humour! | 16:41 |
| lcuk | lol speaking of which: i saw this earlier http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece | 16:41 |
| liri | I read google reader provide an aggregated account subscription, is that right? | 16:42 |
| lardman | I wonder if the voice is synthetic too...? | 16:43 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 16:43 |
| lcuk | dunno but i wouldnt have known she was fake without bein told: passed uncanny valley | 16:43 |
| lardman | yeah, very impressive | 16:44 |
| lardman | they didn't specify whether they used the wireframe they recorded, or if they extracted the movements and applied it to something completely different though | 16:44 |
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| jott | who is actually in charge for the builder? | 16:45 |
| sp3000 | I get the strangest errors using tablet-encode from a shell script | 16:45 |
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| sp3000 | like someone is going and corrupting command line arguments here and there | 16:45 |
| Khertan | use the --force parameters | 16:46 |
| Khertan | and if it don't work try with --great-force | 16:47 |
| XTL | I think she was esily fake because the face looked pasted on. | 16:47 |
| XTL | It was in the wrong place or subtly the wrong shape. | 16:47 |
| XTL | But that looks like a small modelling error. The movements are just uncannily real. | 16:47 |
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| XTL | Seems almost a shame to have that kind of thing spoiling the effect in a demo. | 16:47 |
| XTL | But maybe it's just me | 16:47 |
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| lardman | RealPlayer videos are so shoddy I didn't even notice | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | god.. the days southpark episodes were distributed in rp, heh | 16:50 |
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| jott | is ed bartosh on vacation too? :) | 16:54 |
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| lionel__ | Does anyone know why flasher-3.0 (running on Ubuntu 7.10) would fail when trying to put an OS 2008 image onto an N800 but still succeed when putting OS 2007 images onto it? | 16:55 |
| timeless | planet doesn't seem to update much | 16:56 |
| lionel__ | The error I'm getting is: Write failed after 0 bytes | 16:56 |
| lionel__ | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 16:56 |
| timeless | ed responded to a phone call we made w/in the past 6 days... | 16:56 |
| lionel__ | P.S. I've already tried the workaround of removing all the memory cards. | 16:57 |
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| jott | timeless: so you think it's ok to write him about the broken builder? (and get reasonable response times..) | 16:58 |
| * timeless shrugs | 16:59 | |
| timeless | probably | 16:59 |
| Khertan | are u sure that the builder is broken ? | 16:59 |
| timeless | no :) | 16:59 |
| jott | no :) | 17:00 |
| Khertan | my package was build this morning :) | 17:00 |
| jott | i just concluded that two different packages in row failed :) | 17:00 |
| timeless | andre__: ping | 17:00 |
| jott | maybe it's my fault.. | 17:01 |
| jott | mhm | 17:01 |
| timeless | andree__: planet's maemo favicon is sucky | 17:01 |
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| timeless | can you fix it to use mine instead? :) | 17:01 |
| timeless | same for bugzilla and friends | 17:01 |
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| Khertan | [2008-08-19 10:25:04] Building mcalendar 0.4.0-1 for target 'maemo-diablo-armel-extras-devel' | 17:02 |
| Khertan | [2008-08-19 10:25:49] OK | 17:02 |
| jott | Khertan: that does not tell anything :) | 17:02 |
| Khertan | yep ... | 17:02 |
| Khertan | i know :) | 17:02 |
| jott | (of the state of NOW :) | 17:03 |
| jott | any idea why the builder would not do armel builds? | 17:03 |
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| jott | aaah | 17:06 |
| * jott gives it another try | 17:08 | |
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| andre____ | timeless, are the four white corners in that favicon by purpose? see e.g. https://garage.maemo.org/ in FF3 (non-white background of favicon) | 17:11 |
| jott | what's the difference between arch "all" and "any"? | 17:11 |
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| andre____ | bbl | 17:11 |
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| jott | ah all is "platform independend" | 17:13 |
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| timeless | andre____: mine doesn't have corners | 17:15 |
| timeless | it has transpareny | 17:15 |
| timeless | the shape is round | 17:15 |
| timeless | one has to assume they wanted transparency | 17:15 |
| timeless | i could ask marketing, but i suspect they left for the day | 17:15 |
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| timeless | does the rss thing on maemo.org work? | 17:16 |
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| timeless | i pushed a new article to my feed earlier | 17:17 |
| timeless | and another planet found it.. | 17:17 |
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| Khertan | timeless > mine don't have transparency | 17:26 |
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| jott | Khertan: mxr.maemo.org has a transparent one. | 17:27 |
| Khertan | jott > one made only for the current target, and the other for all target | 17:27 |
| jott | yep | 17:27 |
| jott | i gathered that | 17:27 |
| Khertan | jott: mxr one is good :) | 17:28 |
| Khertan | and the mxr.maemo.org is really good ! | 17:28 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:28 |
| Khertan | 'Don't use a web-crawler to try and download all of these pages; the CGIs will feed you several gigabytes worth of generated HTML!' | 17:28 |
| Khertan | huhu ... | 17:28 |
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| bef0rd | hey Khertan, do you know pygtk? :) | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | yeah, he's under the shower atm | 17:36 |
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| bef0rd | heh, ok, trying to figure out something, it should be simple .. I believe | 17:41 |
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| josef|samba | hi... apparently EAP-PAP isn't supported in the OS2008 wireless code, what can be done for networks which do not offer other mechanisms? | 17:46 |
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| Khertan | rahahahahah !!!! fucking glade port ! | 18:04 |
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| bef0rd | hmm | 18:13 |
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| bef0rd | Khertan, can I ask you a pygtk question? | 18:16 |
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| andre____ | timeless, screenshot: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemo-favicon.png - see the wide corners. but maybe it's FF bug ;-) | 18:18 |
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| nomis | mhm, in this variant this reminds me on "open embedded"... | 18:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre____, same thing here in WebKit. :P | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with the massive fonts? :P | 18:24 |
| andre____ | what massive fonts? | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big ugly ones on your menubar | 18:24 |
| andre____ | hehe | 18:25 |
| andre____ | does webkit fix that? | 18:25 |
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| timeless | andre.. | 18:27 |
| timeless | the png file is like that | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the second time I've done that. | 18:27 |
| timeless | andre: try mxr.maemo.org | 18:27 |
| timeless | it doesn't have those | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Missed commit, hit reassign, then hit commit successfully. | 18:28 |
| andre____ | timeless, https;//mxr.maemo.org does not work. FF3 only provides background for SSL | 18:28 |
| timeless | andre: data:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico"> | 18:28 |
| timeless | note the white | 18:29 |
| andre____ | oh no, i'm lazy :-P ok | 18:29 |
| timeless | just fix everyone to use the png i made | 18:29 |
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| timeless | just download http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png to the other servers | 18:30 |
| timeless | note that bigger images are actually better | 18:30 |
| timeless | because they're used in some places, like shortcuts on XP desktops | 18:30 |
| timeless | or in ff3.1 tab switching | 18:30 |
| timeless | (ctrl-tab) | 18:30 |
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| timeless | data:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico"><img src="http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png"> | 18:31 |
| timeless | for some perspective | 18:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm tempted to dupe this and turn the earlier bug into a "Things in Chinook Extras aren't available in Diablo Extras" bug. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3611 | 18:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Done. | 18:47 |
| Khertan | Wackelkandidat < what does it mean ? | 18:47 |
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| jott | Khertan: something along "borderline canditate" or "not 100% sure we should consider him" | 18:49 |
| jott | not a very common term :) | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I thought you were highlighting somebody again. :P | 18:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ? gniééé ? | 18:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | wie bitte ? | 18:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: ? | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, those stupid | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | "GeneralAntilles > Hi there!" | 19:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah :) | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking Wacheklhandidat was a nick and you were talking to him. :P | 19:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | GeneralAntilles: ah my german is a bit ... bad | 19:05 |
| GAN800 | Mine is non-existent. | 19:06 |
| Raytray | Auf Wiedersehen is all I've got. | 19:06 |
| * nomis happily gives out advice on german :) | 19:06 | |
| Raytray | And guten tag. Not even sure what that means. | 19:06 |
| * GAN800 chuckles at the autocomplete terms his tablet picks up. | 19:06 | |
| nomis | Raytray: "(have a) good day" | 19:07 |
| Raytray | Ah. | 19:07 |
| * Raytray is suprerior to antilles in one more way now. :D | 19:07 | |
| Raytray | Bleh | 19:07 |
| Raytray | I just had to mispell that. | 19:07 |
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| GAN800 | andrewfblack, you think you could tag all the moved itT articles with [[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]]? A lot of them seem a bit . . . questionable, and I'd like to be able to run through them later to delete and revise where appropriate. | 19:14 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN800 Yeah I can do that | 19:18 |
| andrewfblack | GA said to tag them with User is why I started | 19:19 |
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| * GAN800 is GeneralAntilles on an N800 | 19:23 | |
| GAN800 | You can tag with both. | 19:23 |
| manyoso | which package provides /usr/bin/Xomap on the N810? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | xserver-omap i think | 19:24 |
| andrewfblack | lol ok | 19:26 |
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| manyoso | Stskeeps: can't find it | 19:28 |
| manyoso | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php doesn't list it | 19:29 |
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| Jaffa | re | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | manyoso: its packaged on the tablet.. use dpkg-extract to get it out or get rotation enabled xomap | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | er, dpkg-repac | 19:30 |
| andrewfblack | Hey GAN800 I didn't touch the User page but I can't get it to open on the wiki now not sure if its jut me or not | 19:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, also, the "using OS2008" or "on N800" and specific stuff like that should be removed from the titles. | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "USB Host mode on the N800 using OS 2008" -> "USB host mode" | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps "USB", even. | 19:48 |
| andrewfblack | ok | 19:49 |
| andrewfblack | Only way to change hte title will be to delect it and do it again right | 19:49 |
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| Jaffa_ | GeneralAntilles: "USB" should be a general article linking to "USB host mode" and "USB networking", IMHO | 19:50 |
| MangoFusion | anyone seen that beagle board? | 19:51 |
| MangoFusion | omap with opengl. amazing | 19:51 |
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| MangoFusion | #include <nit_opengl_joke.h> | 19:52 |
| andrewfblack | Jaffa_ so you want a article under User Cat that is just called USB and then under it have links to USB Host Mode, USB Networking and anything else involving USB? | 19:52 |
| Jaffa_ | andrewfblack: something like that. The top-level article should talk about plugs, capabilities etc. and then link into the two main articles on other subjects. | 19:53 |
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| * Jaffa_ needs to work out how to boot his other self | 19:53 | |
| andrewfblack | ok, I'll work on that in a little bit for some reason I can't get to the User Category page | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | jaffa_ you will remain cloned forever, and the good looking version of you will get all the girls leaving you to sit and mope :P | 19:56 |
| Jaffa_ | lcuk: damn | 19:56 |
| lcuk | alternatively, the time lines will fix themselves in a few minutes (unless you have another client still open at work) | 19:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again ... | 19:58 |
| Jaffa_ | lcuk: unfortunately irritating bitchx autoflood protected me from nickserv when I wanted help. | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone is motivated to help me to do the best maemo looking contacts applications ? | 19:58 |
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| henrique_ | lcuk: do you use scratchbox to compile liqbase? | 19:59 |
| Jaffa_ | Khertan_n810: can we have the best offline calendar viewer first, please? :) | 19:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa_: mCalendar is already the best | 19:59 |
| lcuk | henrique_, i have been known to, but i prefer direct on device compilation | 19:59 |
| Jaffa_ | Khertan_n810: it didn't entirely look the best AIUI when I tried it; but I could be misremembering. | 20:00 |
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| henrique_ | lcuk: do you know all the libraries it needs to compile? | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa_: define what u call best AIUI for an calendar viewer | 20:00 |
| lcuk | yes, they are in the makefile/debian rules thing | 20:01 |
| * henrique_ wondering if it is possible to compile it on ubuntu :) | 20:01 | |
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| henrique_ | lcuk: thanks | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | henrique_, :) it has been compiled for a laptop in the past but requires changes | 20:01 |
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| * lcuk knows what those changes are and could feasibly use it on any Xv compatible computer | 20:03 | |
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| henrique_ | lcuk: can you tell me what I need to change? | 20:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa_: have u ve tryed the last version of mCalendar ? | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | 0.4.0 | 20:07 |
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| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: reinstalling it. I think my issues were around multiple calendars and/or a nice day overview | 20:11 |
| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: got a bug tracker I could stick some comments in now I've got it back? | 20:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum yep multiple calendar isn t managed yet | 20:12 |
| lcuk | henrique_, i could but since you haven't confirmed if its gonna work for you on this device is it really worth my time discussing multi platform stuff right now? | 20:12 |
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| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: the UI seems to consist of a large number of buttons showing lots of similar information (back/forward would be nicer as non normal buttons IMHO). And I just got: {'status': 400, 'body': 'Invalid request URI.', 'reason': 'Bad Request'} when syncing. Would like automated syncing when connected to WLAN; basically something a bit like the content area of Google Calendar but offline | 20:13 |
| * Jaffa__ has just worked out the buttons at the bottom switch between day/week/month view but it's done in a way different to any other calendar. | 20:14 | |
| Khertan_n810 | why so huge button ... to be easy too use without stylus | 20:15 |
| aquatix | Jaffa__: if you keep getting that error, you might want to throw away the db | 20:15 |
| henrique_ | lcuk: right, forget about that then :) | 20:15 |
| henrique_ | lcuk: I think I can use scratchbox, let me try | 20:15 |
| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: that I've got no problem with | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | and why no view like google calendar, i think it doesn't fit in a such so small screen that nit have | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve tryed gpe and date ... and i found it useless | 20:16 |
| Jaffa__ | aquatix: ok, worryingly another sync gives 'body': 'Attendees can only update their responsestatus for recurring event.s You cannot update something else' | 20:16 |
| lcuk | henrique_, it will compile properly in scratchbox, whether or not the emulator will work for actually running it is another thing (emulator isnt "full" emulation of hardware/libraries? | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s a point of view of course | 20:16 |
| Jaffa__ | Suffice to say, I now don't trust it with my calendar information. | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:16 |
| Jaffa__ | Which may be harsh, but can I afford to take the risk? ;-( | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep no prob | 20:16 |
| henrique_ | lcuk: just compiling it is enough | 20:16 |
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| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: a compressed view of Google Calendar; or at least the pretty colours would be nice :) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | yes, i spent the first couple of months building with scratchbox, i only moved onto my device because vmware was annoying as feck | 20:17 |
| Jaffa__ | I've got calendars syncrhonised from Outlook, one for personal, one for family. | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa_: hum ... | 20:17 |
| lcuk | and it feels more logical in my mind compiling on native than in an emulated emulated thing | 20:17 |
| henrique_ | lcuk: same here, virtualbox sucks as well | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | at this time only default is sync | 20:18 |
| lcuk | has anyone seen my lighter? | 20:18 |
| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: big pluses would be automated download; multiple calendars; colours and a bit of visual flair on the buttons, given there're so many. (Seems odd that syncronising is so finger unfriendly given the largeness of everything else ;-)) | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep ... | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | auto sync is planned | 20:19 |
| lcuk | Khertan, put extra automatic backing up when you do that please | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | i just need to found this fucking alarmd python doc | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:20 |
| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: and definitely not in a battery draining way ;-) | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | Jaffa_: of course | 20:20 |
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| Jaffa__ | Khertan_n810: following aquatix's advice, where *is* the db? ~/.mc* no workee | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | you can already sync it with a cron by launching it 'mcalendar -s' | 20:21 |
| lcuk | is it a database or an ical file? | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | a sqlite | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | db | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | /home/user/.mPim/mcalendar.db | 20:21 |
| Jaffa__ | Ah. | 20:21 |
| Jaffa__ | Ta | 20:21 |
| Jaffa__ | ~/.mPIM actually [for the logs] | 20:22 |
| lcuk | what do i do if i want to store user information for multiple operators on maemo - i cant just use ~ because its always the same | 20:22 |
| lcuk | if i *do* use ~ then move to another platform it will b0rken | 20:23 |
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| jott | lcuk: just buy another device ;) | 20:23 |
| jott | or ask nokia for one :P | 20:23 |
| jott | say yours fell into the toilet and you accidently flushed it. | 20:24 |
| lcuk | :) not so far from the truth jott, but i want to be able to pickup a device and have user profiles within liqbase | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ie "hello, who are you? [gary] [tracy] [new user]" | 20:24 |
| lcuk | take picture and info and have sketch library etc | 20:24 |
| Jaffa__ | lcuk: implement a user switching service which liqbase uses but others can too | 20:24 |
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| jott | lcuk: easiest solutin: liqos :P | 20:25 |
| lcuk | other users can be added from remote with the irc chan side of things | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | window manager / dekstop / sugar maybe, but not a full os :P | 20:26 |
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| jott | liquestop :) | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | heh - i was reading throguh all the classes liqapp liqscreen liqcamera liqfile and thinking i best have cleaned my teeth | 20:27 |
| jott | libliqlist | 20:28 |
| lcuk | http://www.mahalo.com/Tongue_Hotel_Girl | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | i started going throguh everything last night and planning a rename and cleanup to make it a proper library :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | but i still dont know how to handle multiple aplications asking for the overlay | 20:29 |
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| Mace_ | dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--remove): | 20:35 |
| Mace_ | wtf | 20:35 |
| timeless | you can manually walk through postrm scripts :) | 20:36 |
| timeless | and then manually remove the meta data | 20:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, you don't need to get to the category page to add a page | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just add the categories you want a page to be in at the bottom of the page | 20:41 |
| andrewfblack | yeah I know but I cna't even view the Categories: User page now | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, edit USB host mode, go down to the bottom and add [[Category:User]]\n[[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]] | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Users | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, "Users" | 20:43 |
| andrewfblack | loading for me now sumetimes wiki.maemo.org and my work computer don't get along | 20:43 |
| andrewfblack | I took [[Category:User]] off USB host mode I think jaffa wants all the usb stuff under a page called USB then link to other | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It still goes in that category, though. | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The old midgard wiki is seriously polluting the google results. | 20:56 |
| MakeGho | uhm, anyone remember how I get the variable & function listing of an object? | 21:00 |
| MakeGho | err, sorry | 21:00 |
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| andrewfblack | GeneralAntillies if I put the Category:User tag in both the USB page and all the USB pages doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Uh? | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Category:Users | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 21:06 |
| andrewfblack | so whats the purpose of the page USB that links to all the pages about USB host mode and USB Networking | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | shit I'm drunk | 21:07 |
| andrewfblack | I thought purpose of the USB page was to keep from cluttering up the Category:User page | 21:07 |
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| * lcuk is trying to find a hotel | 21:19 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man these itT wiki articles are arbitrary. | 21:20 |
| rm_you | arbitrary like your mother! | 21:20 |
| * rm_you goes and stands facing the corner | 21:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk about zero quality-control, too. | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | can i make google maps show me hotels nearby? | 21:23 |
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| rm_you | maybe? | 21:24 |
| rm_you | where are you? | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, im trying to find somewhere for the summit | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | hotels near c-base | 21:25 |
| rm_you | ah. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | ive managed it now i tihnk | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maps.maporama.com/idl/accor/drawsa.aspx?xml=common&xsl=liste_hotel&Lang=En&MD_height=265&MD_width=372&_rawxml=1&MD_scale=0.00013333&SA_config=1&SiteOrigine=ALL&GC_address=Rungestra%C3%9Fe+20&GC_city=Berlin&GC_zip=&GC_country=DE | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | From the wiki | 21:26 |
| lcuk | everytime i searched it removed the c-base moarker | 21:26 |
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| Andrewfblack|Awa | I didn't even move over most of the itT Wiki articles becuase they didn't seem worth moving | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | question regarding summit hotels. quim has given a budget based on an amount per night for 5 nights. i cannot find a hotel in range for this rate, however i am staying for only 3 nights - has anyone else gone over the nightly budget ? | 21:58 |
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| rm_you | i'm staying with jott <_< | 22:03 |
| lcuk | good for you :D | 22:04 |
| rm_you | so, no :P | 22:04 |
| lcuk | tsk tsk, you 2 could have made some money - get an invoice from jott | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and share the money | 22:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:05 |
| rm_you | we thought about it <_< | 22:05 |
| jott | who said my flat is free :P | 22:05 |
| rm_you | hehe | 22:05 |
| rm_you | may still have time to do it :P | 22:05 |
| lcuk | 'otel Jott is 4* | 22:05 |
| jott | it even has free wlan :) | 22:05 |
| jott | erm | 22:05 |
| rm_you | :P | 22:05 |
| lcuk | but you have to do your own washing up | 22:06 |
| jott | i mean only 20 bucks per night ;) | 22:06 |
| lcuk | and make his breakfast | 22:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:06 |
| rm_you | i make good omelettes :P | 22:06 |
| lcuk | jott would be more like basil fawlty | 22:06 |
| rm_you | or fried egg sandwiches | 22:06 |
| rm_you | or poached eggs on toast | 22:06 |
| jott | bacon :) | 22:06 |
| rm_you | or basically anything that involves eggs :P | 22:06 |
| jott | nothing else :) | 22:07 |
| rm_you | well, we're talking breakfast here :P | 22:07 |
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| rm_you | I don't really do pancakes, and cereal is kind of... well, that doesnt count as cooking | 22:07 |
| rm_you | so yeah. | 22:07 |
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| pupnik | more OMAP3 porn: close up of pandora board (1080i, 720p etc) http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=43653&st=15# | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | board != product | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | you gotta admit it's running finalburn smooth | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | yes, but you gotta have a product | 22:37 |
| RST38h | one that sells, too | 22:37 |
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| GAN800 | The interesting part is the OMAP3, not the Pandora. | 22:38 |
| RST38h | omap3 is just a chip. until it in inside a product... | 22:39 |
| GAN800 | OK, whatever. | 22:41 |
| Andrewfblack | Hey were would I advertise if I wanted to hire someone to write a applicaiton for maemo for me? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | you just did | 22:43 |
| Andrewfblack | lol | 22:43 |
| lcuk | the garage has things like this i think | 22:43 |
| lcuk | but my internet is going slower than a slow day in slowville | 22:44 |
| danilocesar | Andrewfblack: We hack for food =) | 22:44 |
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| Andrewfblack | I know you can post openings for devolpers on garage I didn't think about that | 22:45 |
| lcuk | sod food, cold hard cash, what is it you are after | 22:45 |
| Andrewfblack | ok danilocesar I'll feed you for a program lol | 22:45 |
| lcuk | he would like to point out its very expensive food served in a 5 star hotel on a platter of naked virgins | 22:46 |
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| Andrewfblack | lol | 22:46 |
| * lcuk thinks its inpolite to not finish meal and lick the plate | 22:46 | |
| lcuk | with an m | 22:47 |
| danilocesar | I'll just accept payments in BurgerKing form =) | 22:47 |
| lcuk | counted by the truckload | 22:48 |
| lcuk | danilocesar, if you continue to lower your prices none of us will be able to eat | 22:48 |
| Andrewfblack | I would think its would be an easy program to write I just want it to pull data from a mysql database on my server and make it look nice on the tablet. | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | Andrewfblack, why not just use a php app on your server and use the browser? | 22:49 |
| danilocesar | Andrewfblack: I would try http://www.getafreelancer.com/ | 22:49 |
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| * lcuk is just looking at databases as it happens | 22:50 | |
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| danilocesar | lcuk: =) | 22:50 |
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| Andrewfblack | I have a php app now that looks good on desktop and I even have a mobile version of it but I was thinking it would run faster on tablet if I was just pulling data from database and not whole pages | 22:50 |
| lcuk | but im re-putting in sqlite | 22:50 |
| dannym | hi :) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Andrewfblack, what about the security aspect - your php app accessing a local database and producing a page and stylesheet cant be that slow can it? | 22:51 |
| lcuk | opening db up to outside devices lowers overall security | 22:52 |
| Andrewfblack | Icuk yeah I guess your right only other reason I wanted it as am app instead of on web was I thought I would make it better looking on the tablet but I guess I can do that anyways just have 2 version one for desktop on for tablet | 22:53 |
| lcuk | yer, css styling can allow you to have 1 primary app styled however you want it for specific devices | 22:54 |
| Andrewfblack | using that thing can't remember whats its called where the css can tell what browser your using? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | yer, or you can just make a few styles available and let the user choose :) | 22:55 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah | 22:56 |
| lcuk | most sites have a coat of paint for normal no cookie access, and another light summer jacket for low bandwidth | 22:56 |
| lcuk | *for diminishing values of most | 22:56 |
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| Andrewfblack | I hacked the crap out of this guys script I guess I can hack away at it some more | 22:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:58 |
| Andrewfblack | between him programming and me reprogramming I'm sure the code of this thing looks like crap | 22:58 |
| pupnik | you using lots of client side scripting? | 22:59 |
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| Andrewfblack | no | 22:59 |
| pupnik | then your model doesn't require an app on the client | 23:00 |
| pupnik | or .. no? | 23:00 |
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| Andrewfblack | no I really don't need a app on the client I just figured if I had one I could make it look better | 23:01 |
| Andrewfblack | Its a PIM website well thats what the script is being now lol wasn't really that to begin with | 23:01 |
| pupnik | i guess it could. if you're selling it, a program can make the product more 'real' and 'tangible' than a webservice | 23:01 |
| Andrewfblack | naa not selling it mainly for my use and anyone else who wants to use it | 23:02 |
| pupnik | i hope solmumaha picks up knots again | 23:03 |
| pupnik | i liked that media streamer/player | 23:03 |
| pupnik | i could browse my server video library and playback quickly on the 770 | 23:03 |
| Andrewfblack | I really need a real php programmer to fix my crap then someone to write a Tablet App lol | 23:04 |
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| Jaffa__ | lcuk: I've gone over the nightly rate, staying for only 4 nights (the first nightly rate anyway) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | ive booked now jaffa | 23:12 |
| lcuk | thanks though - i took the chance | 23:12 |
| lcuk | im not very close though and still gotta get flights sorted now, we had an extra bonus today which meant i could sort it sooner | 23:13 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: :P | 23:26 |
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| Jaffa__ | lcuk: I'm feeling *very* broke at the moment | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa__, pinching us all | 23:36 |
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| lardman | evening all | 23:43 |
| lcuk | hi lardman | 23:44 |
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| lardman | hey lcuk | 23:45 |
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| GNUton | hi | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 <- obvious evidence the tablets are female | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, holy crap, hes got a few bugs in his system | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i think leaving his 800 by the pond wasnt a good idea | 23:56 |
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| lardman | nasty | 23:57 |
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