IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-08-18

GAN800You screwed up icd2, probably.00:00
V13nope..00:00
V13it just restarted...00:00
V13as expected...00:00
GAN800apt-get upgrade is not how SSU works.00:00
V13I know that now..00:00
BULLEand what is SSU ?00:00
V13I read that there are some flags that apt doesn't understand00:00
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GAN800You upgrade osso-software-version-rx*4 and it pulls00:01
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V13well.. now I've booted in the internal memory and chrooted to the SD installation00:01
V13but I don't know how to fix this00:01
V13I don't have any clue about what's wrong00:01
V13everything seems like the upgraded went mostly ok00:02
V13all packages are fresh (changed diablo-1 to diablo and tested apt-get upgrade)00:02
V13except from some minors00:03
V13which I'm trying to fix by installing -unlocked00:03
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V13any hints ?00:03
GAN800Don't upgrade broken systems via unsupported upgrade paths.00:05
V13but the system wasn't broken00:05
V13why do you believe it was ?00:05
V13I also did this: dpkg -l on the internal (upgraded, SSU, working) memory and dpkg -l on the SD (chroot) and all packages that are installed in internal memory are the same.00:06
V13same versions00:06
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GAN800OK, don't upgrade with sketchy repositories.00:08
V13I'm sorry... what 'sketchy' means?00:09
GAN800Suspect packages00:10
V13such as ?00:10
GAN800Like using the SDK repo on device00:10
GAN800or the rtcomm beta repo and not installing it correctly.00:10
GAN800or a variety of broken 3rd party repos.00:11
V13well.. rtcomm was originally installed correctly00:11
V13and never messed with it00:11
V13anyway.. it seems like booting problem and not like package problem00:11
V13*all* required packages are installed and of the same version00:11
V13as tested by dpkg -l00:11
mikkov_jott: cmake builds in my sb rootstrap installation too...00:12
V13is there a way to get a boot console ?00:12
V13to see boot messages00:12
jottmikkov_: really strange..00:13
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hvelarde|stealthUSB Control is not running on Diablo according to this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Diablo:_Missing_Packages00:15
V13hvelarde I've usb control installed on diablo but I don't remember testing it00:16
V13it surely runs00:16
hvelarde|stealthV13: "Note that USB Control is NOT the same thing as maemo-control-usb" :-)00:16
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hvelarde|stealthI have maemo-control-usb installed also00:17
V13I believe you're talking about the program that changes usb mode ?00:17
hvelarde|stealthyes00:17
V13it runs :)00:17
hvelarde|stealthhow did you installed it?00:17
V13I don't remember...00:17
hvelarde|stealth:-(00:17
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V13what problem does it have ?00:18
hvelarde|stealthis says something like: Impossible to install usbcontrol; incompatible application package00:18
V13xm..00:18
V13most probably I forced it :)00:19
V13ah.. yes00:19
V13apt-get or dpkg should work00:19
V13without forcing it00:19
GeneralAntillesV13, it's a package issue.00:19
GeneralAntillesSomething wasn't installed correctly00:19
V13or, red pill of course00:19
hvelarde|stealthbtw, i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial on the repositoires stuff?00:19
GeneralAntillesso the watchdog is restarting during boot.00:19
hvelarde|stealthwhat is red pill?00:19
V13antilles no.. it is not restarting00:20
GeneralAntilleshvelarde|stealth, DO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH RED PILL.00:20
GeneralAntillesV13, did you disable the watchdogs, then?00:20
V13antilles: nope00:20
hvelarde|stealthGeneralAntilles: don't have to be so rude :-(00:20
jottmikkov_: -- Performing Test HAVE_POLL_FINE - Failed00:20
jotthmmm00:20
GeneralAntilleshvelarde|stealth, I'm not being rude00:20
V13antilles it fills the blue bar and waits there00:20
jott(only on the builder)00:20
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GeneralAntillesI'm trying to protect you from a lot of pain and suffering.00:20
hvelarde|stealthok00:20
GeneralAntillesI'm looking out for your well-being.00:20
Andy80hi all00:21
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hvelarde|stealthbut you don't have to scream00:21
hvelarde|stealth:-)00:21
V13antilles: I've read your post in the forum and understood what could went wrong... for the upgrade. So, I checked all packages and they seemed ok.00:21
jottmikkov_: i think this might be a good trace.00:21
GeneralAntilleshvelarde|stealth, I'm emphasizing an important point.00:21
V13antilles: but now I don't have a clue on what should I look for00:21
hvelarde|stealthok00:21
GeneralAntillesIf you want to get yourself in trouble, feel free to, though.00:21
GeneralAntillesNot my problem.00:22
V13antilles is there any way I can debug the bootup procedure ?00:22
V13hvelarde most probably you can do what usbcontrol does with a simple script echo "something" > something (I don't remember it exactly)00:23
V13in /sys00:23
hvelarde|stealthV13: i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial explaining repositoires?00:24
hvelarde|stealthI don't want to break anything because of having enabled some repository00:24
V13it isn't like that. What Antilles says is that by using apt or enabling red pill mode, you will be able to install things (like USB control) that are not intended for your current installation. This can always break things.00:25
V13Antilles do you have any hint?00:26
hvelarde|stealthV13: ok, thank you... I think I will wait for the package to be fixed00:27
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mikkov_jott: HAVE_POLL_FINE test doesn't look too complex..00:33
jottstill it fails and is related to curl :)00:33
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V13can anyone tell me the kernel version of the latest diablo ?00:37
V13the *Exact* uname -a string00:37
mikkov_Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown00:40
V13thanks!00:40
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crashanddieI was at a 2600 meeting last friday00:56
crashanddieAt some point, I wanted to check something, and sketch a bit to make a point, I got my NIT out of my pocket00:57
arachnistand then someone sent an xclock to you?00:57
lbtbattery died00:58
jottmikkov_: still does not work :~(00:58
GeneralAntillesand you were mugged?00:58
lbtjust b4 the nit crashed00:58
lbtjott: that's not fair, he's tired...00:58
crashanddiethey all started bitching about "how we need a device like that runs linux"00:59
crashanddiethat's when I started thinking "am I at the correct meeting ?"00:59
lbtplease tell me you didn't have the XP theme00:59
crashanddieno I don't00:59
mickey__Has anybody here build Qtopia for scratchbox with maemo?  Is there a recent tutorial available somewhere?00:59
crashanddiea few minutes later, one of them told me "what CPU does that run on ?" "Armel" "Bleh, those things will be worth something when it's x86"01:00
crashanddie'-_-01:00
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jottmickey__: yes. works fine.01:00
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360001:00
jottmickey__: well more or less :)01:00
GeneralAntillesThe summary and the severity don't quite jive.01:00
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, did you hit him in the face with it?01:01
jott~lart builder01:01
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GeneralAntillesI like it when people put their computer's OS in the OS field for ITOS bugs.01:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you think I'd risk breaking my device on some unwitting luser who calls himself a hacker ?01:02
crashanddieit was quite a joke really, last time I'll be going to 2600 afaik01:03
GeneralAntillesMy N800 is durable enough to break some idiot's nose. :D01:03
crashanddieyeah but his girlfriend was big01:04
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GeneralAntilleslol01:04
* GeneralAntilles really wants to make fun of guenther for: http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4#Activity_log but he's never on IRC anymore. . . .01:06
mikkov_jott: cmake build fails on my Fedora, but it fails much earlier than on autobuilder01:07
mikkov_something qemu related01:08
moontigeris there a good hildon api reference that works with the devhelp system?01:09
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Slyhhi01:10
jottmikkov_: yeah qemu is also quite high in my list of suspects...01:10
mikkov_jott: is there any trick to make autobuilder build for i386 first? change arch?01:12
mikkov_to see if there is same error01:13
jottmmh no sure.01:13
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jottbut i bet it will run fine.01:13
mikkov_or to confirm that there is no error with i386 :)01:13
mikkov_yeah01:13
jottstill it is a mytery why it fails on the builder and not on the host :(01:14
jottmystery01:14
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icefoxCan someone tell me if /usr/share/mime is user writable on the maemo?01:37
lbtno01:37
lbtit's not01:38
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icefoxThe bug is that XDG_DATA_HOME is pointing to it.  From the spec: $XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.  So any Qt app that uses QDesktopServices::dataLocation() which follows the spec will fail to save any data01:40
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pikuanyone here use mono on a Nokia 770?01:40
pikuI saw screenshots of monoeye running01:40
pikuwhich uses webrequest and httpwebrequest01:40
icefoxThey probably mean to be setting XDG_DATA_DIRS01:40
pikubut when I try it gives me notsupportedexception01:41
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pikuI know it should be working so I guess I'll have to build a later version of mono in scratchbox or something01:41
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V13YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!01:52
V13I did it :)01:52
V13Ok, for the history, two things:01:55
V131) If you install bash2 then it will prevent it from booting01:55
GAN800It shouldn't. . . .01:55
GAN800zapppp?01:56
V13the first time you use it, it asks (@#$!@)$^%%%%%%%%%%%)$^@)$%@)$^%@*$%@$%) whether you want it to auto-configure (!$!@$)^#%@$%@@&%^@$%)01:56
V13an waits this forever when booting01:56
GAN800Ahaaa01:56
V13I just happened to reboot after upgrading01:56
GAN800V13, can you poke zap about that at some point?01:56
V13zap ?01:56
GAN800He'd be the packager.01:57
V13yes.01:57
V13I'll01:57
V132) There is a way to debug the bootup procedure01:57
V13you need to have the initfs_flash installed with a telnet/ssh server01:57
V13and set up usb net from it01:58
V13after that you do:01:58
GAN800V13, there's an oldish wiki article on debugging bootup01:58
V13xmm..01:58
GAN800Think you could drop your procedure in there? :D01:58
V13why didn't anyone mentioned it 2 hours ago when I asked for it ? :)01:58
GAN800Because it's not useful at the moment01:58
GAN800and it actually didn't come to mind until just now.01:59
V13do you know the url ?01:59
GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Reporting_reboot_issues01:59
V13anyway, I'll write it here since this is also displayed on the web.. I'll visit the wiki too02:00
V13after logging in:02:00
GeneralAntillesIf you want to retask that to something closer to "Troubleshooting boot issues" or similar. . . .02:00
V13* Load modules (jbd, mbdcache, etc...) and mount your root partition to /mnt/new_root02:00
V13* cd /mnt/new_root ; mount -obind /tmp /mnt/new_root/tmp ; pivot_root . mnt/initfs02:01
V13* export OSSO_VERSION=$(cat /etc/osso_software_version)02:01
V13* cd /etc/init.d ; ./rcS ; ./rc 202:01
V13and watch the error...02:01
V13don't forget that the watchdog will time you so it is better to have a 'buffer' and copy-paste from there.02:02
GeneralAntillesV13, the watchdogs can be disabled with the flasher02:02
V13didn't knew that...02:02
GeneralAntillesIt's in the rd-mode-flags02:02
V13I believe it can also be disabled from /sys02:02
V13or /proc02:02
V13(or both :)02:03
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V13Just visited the wiki page but it is not related to this (I think)02:04
V13it says about reboots, not boots02:04
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GeneralAntillesSame thing02:05
GeneralAntillesIt's old and needs care.02:05
GeneralAntillesYou're in a good position to provide some of that. ;)02:05
V13I'll create a new page "Troubleshooting boot issues"02:06
GeneralAntillesOK, I'll probably pull anything that looks useful off the existing page and delete it, then.02:07
V13:)02:07
V13OK :)02:07
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GeneralAntillesThanks for taking the time. :)02:07
V13np..02:08
V13thank you for the forum post..02:08
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V13How do I add code in the wiki ?02:09
V13(the tag..)02:09
GeneralAntillesEither you can add a space before each line of code02:10
V1310x02:11
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GeneralAntillesor wrap it in <code></code> if you want it inline02:11
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GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card02:11
GeneralAntillesThat should illustrate both.02:11
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V13https://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues02:16
V13quick&dirty02:16
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V13now...02:19
V13where can I find 'zap'?02:19
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V13(sara conor?)02:20
lcukv13, put your fingers in a plug socket. i normally find zap hiding there02:20
V13An e-mail would be ok too02:20
lcuki can't power my tv from an email02:21
GeneralAntillesV13, check the maintainer field on bash202:21
GeneralAntillesShould be in the info pane in Application manager.02:21
qoshow do i fix the screen rotation after the last ssu?02:21
V13lcuk technology advances real fast02:21
V13antilles right!02:22
GAN800qos, reflash the kernel02:22
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qosGAN800, with what?02:22
GAN800Same way you installed it the first time.02:22
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lcukv13, to mirror gen's post, thank you for taking the time to add to the wiki.  i read through it, the ip address you state (192.168.10.1) i gather thats the ip for the local lan, and to remove ambiguity would you just say that somewhere if it is.02:23
GAN800See qwerty12's diablo rotation post on itT.02:23
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qosGAN800, but the new kernel which came with the ssu had for sure some improvements. are they gone, if i you the old one again?02:24
qos*use02:24
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GAN800No, it's still the old build.02:24
GAN800uname -a02:25
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qosGAN800, so, why was it changed?02:25
GAN800A little weirdness with the first SSU run, probably.02:26
V13lcuk one moment02:27
lcukv13, no rush at all, you have already done a nice job02:28
qosGAN800, this one? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=19402:28
V13naah..02:29
V13it should be ok now..02:29
GAN800qos, yeah.02:30
V13ok.. I've contacted zap too..02:30
bef0rdwhat is sliderotate02:31
lcukill take a guess and say it rotates the screen when you slide the keyboard in and out02:33
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bef0rd:o hehe I supposed, just read about it on qos link02:34
jotthm "curse rotation" would be funny if you yell at the device it will rotate :)02:35
jottand then you curse again and  it will flip back :)02:35
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lcukreason-rotate is the follow up.  you have to reason with the device and make it feel good before it will rotate02:36
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V13bye guys... thanks for the help...02:37
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GeneralAntilles^ useful person02:41
GeneralAntillesNot enough of those around.02:41
lcukplenty of people with useful skills, but being able to handle documenting what they do is much rarer :)02:42
qosGAN800, sure about the kernel feature thing? current kernel version is: 2.6.21-200829maemo1, qwerty12's version is: 2.6.21-200823maemo3...02:43
GeneralAntillesWell, not just bitching and moaning and whining and pissing, but actually figuring out the problem and being willing to invest the time back into the community by telling others how to help themselves.02:43
GeneralAntillesqos, uname -a02:43
GeneralAntillesLook at the build date.02:43
GeneralAntillesThe package was updated, but I don't believe the kernel was.02:43
qosGeneralAntilles, the nokia guys updated the package but didn't changed its content?02:45
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GeneralAntillesAs far as I can tell02:46
GeneralAntillesIt may have been to address the missing dependencies issue02:46
GeneralAntillesor it may have just been an updated packaging02:46
GeneralAntillesWho knows.02:46
GeneralAntillesI'm sure you can badger qwerty12 into figuring it out, though. ;)02:46
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jottthey sould atleast provide the source somewhere if they changed it ;)02:48
* jott swings the gpl hammer02:48
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qos*schuuuuuwiingggg02:49
GeneralAntillesjott, another reason why I don't think the kernel was changed.02:49
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jottbut on the other hand it's nokias strange release department.... :/02:52
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jottso current kernel version is 200829?02:53
qosjott, it was :)02:53
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GAN800uname -a02:54
GAN800Current kernel package version.02:54
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qos2.6.21-omap1 same as before using qwertys kernel02:55
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qosi am getting aware of not registering the other stuff from the output.02:57
qosseems to be important too :)02:58
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GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360203:59
GeneralAntillesAnybody remember the bug number(s?) that that's a duplicate of.04:00
GeneralAntillesMr. freedesktop.org is just making my life harder. <_<04:00
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GeneralAntillesOh hell04:12
GeneralAntillesThere's like a thousand of these stupid bugs04:12
pupnik_stinky semen04:13
pupnik_stinky semen04:13
pupnik_stinky semen04:13
pupnik_kill idiots04:13
pupnik_kill idiots04:13
pupnik_kill idiots04:13
GeneralAntillesEhehe04:13
GeneralAntillesAmen to that.04:13
pupnik_sorry  i am misantrhoptic04:13
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* pupnik_ stabs the shit brain soon-to-be-dead smackpotato 04:14
pupnik_die forever, scum04:14
smackpotatoa bit harsh wouldn't you say04:14
pupnik_i just got my ass kicked by police04:15
smackpotatocool04:15
pupnik_talked my way out of jail04:15
smackpotatocool04:15
smackpotatowhat country04:15
pupnik_germany04:15
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smackpotatoahh04:15
pupnik_hand broken04:15
smackpotatofight?04:16
pupnik_i am not sure04:16
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pupnik_they were nice... i remember that04:16
GeneralAntillesWhat in the world happened?04:16
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smackpotatootherwize a fun night04:16
smackpotato?04:16
pupnik_but there was this breaking things04:16
pupnik_yes04:16
pupnik_must go to hospital04:17
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smackpotatosorry about that04:17
pupnik_hah04:17
pupnik_comeon - happy times04:17
smackpotatoi saw a guy get busted last night04:17
pupnik_yeah...04:18
pupnik_it's really nice to be able to walk honme without any clothes04:18
smackpotatoi was going to yell tazz him bro. but then i thought he might have a friend04:18
pupnik_and then the cops are like "dude just go to bed"04:18
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smackpotatoya bed is goood sume times04:19
pupnik_i will prove some shit now04:19
pupnik_bitches04:19
smackpotatoare you home now04:19
pupnik_yes04:20
pupnik_ready?04:20
smackpotato?04:20
pupnik_i was goatse04:20
pupnik_tonight i will call the cops on him04:20
smackpotatolol04:20
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smackpotatoso have you  played with the 810 lately04:22
smackpotatoto change the subject04:23
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GeneralAntillesI could've sworn there were more of these "cannot remove default installer icons" bugs. . . .04:24
GeneralAntillesAlright, how should I do this?04:26
GeneralAntillesTake bug #360204:26
GeneralAntillesUse it as a meta-bug for the rest of these "cannot remove" bugs?04:26
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blahdeblah-lapHi.  I'm about to Flash the firmware on my N800 from the latest "flashing required for upgrades" to the new "no flashing required" firmware.  Anything i need to watch out for?  I have lots of backups already.04:28
GeneralAntillesNot really04:28
GeneralAntillesMaybe some edge-cases where some software hasn't been moved into Diablo Extras04:29
GeneralAntillesBut most of the stuff is there.04:29
smackpotato1flashing worked great for me on the 81004:29
blahdeblah-lapcool - thanks04:29
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GeneralAntilles~ssu04:29
GeneralAntillesinfobot is never here when you need him. . . .04:30
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moontigerGA... when i have my first lil app ready to go how do i get it in the repos etc etc ? :)04:35
GeneralAntilles~uploading-extras04:35
GeneralAntillesNo infobot. :(04:35
GeneralAntillesOne sec04:35
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras04:36
moontigerthnx :)04:36
GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/intro/share_apps/04:36
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras04:36
GeneralAntillesDo you have a Garage project?04:36
pupnik_done bitches04:38
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moontigerummmmmmm nope none of that yet ... im just getting my first lil app done in python ... all that looks like it'll keep me busy for a day or two :|04:39
moontigerbitches?04:39
bef0rd:X04:40
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GeneralAntillespupnik_'s either about to drop some mad-hot shit on us or he just fell asleep. ;)04:40
pupnik_heh?04:41
pupnik_i just watched my dad drive on heroin04:41
pupnik_which is cool and fine with me, of course04:41
moontigeruh huh04:41
* moontiger rolls eyes04:41
pupnik_we should all drive cars stoned04:41
pupnik_want to fuck with me, bitch moontiger04:42
pupnik_right now bitch?04:42
moontigerummmmm not really ... but have you ever seen anyone *really* trying to drive on heroin?04:42
pupnik_!- moontiger [n=lauren@c-24-5-78-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net04:42
pupnik_terrorist watch list.04:42
moontigerooooooooooo04:42
pupnik_you're on it bitch04:42
smackpotato1heroin is rare here in canada04:43
GeneralAntilleslol04:43
moontigeryou can do a whoir04:43
pupnik_suck your own shit, moontiger04:43
moontigers04:43
GeneralAntillesThe sad part is, that's about all it takes to get on a one of those retarded lists.04:43
pupnik_exactly04:43
GeneralAntilless/ a //04:43
smackpotato1dont mention the war04:43
pupnik_terror, bitch, mccain, cancer, anthrax04:44
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pupnik_FUCK THE POLICE04:44
* GeneralAntilles sends the suits to take pupnik_ away.04:44
pupnik_FUCK THE STATE04:44
pupnik_never gonna die bitch04:44
moontigerwow puppy you should move to europe :)04:44
pupnik_gonna slice some cunt throats04:44
GeneralAntillesOne free ticket to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba04:45
GeneralAntillesIt's the world's easiest sweepstakes to win. :P04:45
pupnik_all i have to do is kill one idiot, GeneralAntilles04:45
GeneralAntillesThe Feds be watchin' my back, yo.04:46
pupnik_just... one... idiot...04:46
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smackpotato1admit you want to go to the designated protest area is a good one04:46
moontigeranyways back to coding... good to ummmm meet you puppy ;)04:47
* GeneralAntilles goes back to figuring out a solution to the osso-software-version depending on retarded commercial software dummy entries.04:47
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GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360204:59
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pupnik_fascinating how many people eat shit05:04
pupnik_so many 'professionals'05:04
pupnik_arejust 2girls1cup05:04
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pupnik_we need a 2girls1cup olypics05:04
pupnik_with free drugs05:04
pupnik_cunt bitch shit eater05:05
GeneralAntillesMy goodness, the google searches these logs will be showing up in now!05:06
GeneralAntillesWont anybody please think of the children?! :P05:06
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smackpotato.05:07
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trev0ris it normal for the power port to be a little loose... when i plug the adapter in it can wiggle around a bit05:21
trev0rwith the n81005:21
GeneralAntillesYes05:21
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ProteousI wiggled around a bit once05:43
Proteousit's wasn't as fun as you would think05:44
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robinksmackpotato: Hello.05:52
blahdeblah-lapHey folks, what is the difference between mogg and ogg-support, and which one should i prefer?05:54
robinkogg-support05:55
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blahdeblah-laprobink: any particular reason for that?05:56
robinkblahdeblah-lap: I don't actually know the reason...05:56
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blahdeblah-lapok05:58
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blahdeblah-lapOK - next question.  Should i expect that Canola2 actually finds the MP3 files on my SD cards?06:05
blahdeblah-lapForget that last remark06:05
blahdeblah-lapI thought that the eye meant that it was being searched, but it has to be a checked eye.  Rather confusing.06:06
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robinkDoes lightmediascanner support ogg in Diablo yet?06:08
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* blahdeblah-lap is happy - smooth upgrade, and last.fm support in Canola2!06:22
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GeneralAntillesblahdeblah-lap, did you install the SSU update?07:12
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blahdeblah-lapGeneralAntilles: Is that the one that is applied online after the upgrade?07:43
blahdeblah-lapIf so, yes - it went smoothly as well.07:43
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GeneralAntillesGood to hear07:48
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jackhi guys, i was thinking of getting an eeepc to take notes and do a bit of programming (low cpu+storage demand), but i'm wondering if an old n800 would do the job.08:14
GeneralAntillesThe question is, how important is pocketability?08:14
jackall i need is 80 columns wide, a compiler, flex/bison and associated tools08:14
jackGeneralAntilles: not important08:15
GeneralAntillesThen I would probably get the EeePC08:15
GeneralAntillesThat's basically the decision point08:15
GeneralAntillesFor me, it's useless if it isn't thoroughly pocketable.08:15
jackGeneralAntilles: i'd also like it to be cheaper so it's easier to make a decision (i'm terrible with decisions)08:16
jackGeneralAntilles: have you done any programming on it?08:17
GeneralAntillesThe N800?08:17
GeneralAntillesOnly played around alittle08:17
GeneralAntillesLots of people do their coding and compiling on it, though.08:17
GeneralAntillesTalk to khertan or lcuk08:17
jackreally?08:17
jackthat's good to know -- maybe i've found my portable programming device!08:18
johnxcompiling on the device isn't perfectly straightforward if you use autotools or lots of libraries08:19
jacklcuk, khertan: i believe you guys use the n8xx to program on directly -- how do you like it?08:19
jackjohnx: no, just need a compiler, bison and that's about it. (oh and libc)08:20
johnxthis might be fine for you then. do you plan to use an external keyboard or the onscreen one?08:20
jackjohnx: what's the onscreen one like? i type mostly symbols -- does n800 do handwriting recognition?08:21
johnxit does handwriting recognition but it doesn't work well enough to be worth using08:21
johnxlet me find some screenshots of the onscreen keyboard08:22
aspectfor coding, get an external keyboard08:22
rm_youjohnx: ping :P08:22
johnxactually, just ask images.google.com: n800 onscreen keyboard08:22
johnxrm_you, pong08:22
johnxjack, there are two keyboards, a small "stylus keyboard" and a fullscreen "thumb keyboard"08:23
rm_youthumb keyboard is very usable for normal text input (in small doses) but not for coding really <_<08:24
rm_youyou would need a bluetooth keyboard if you got an n80008:24
aspectI can't imagine coding on either of the on-screen keyboards -- thumbboard is barely adequate for shell work08:24
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GeneralAntilleshttp://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html08:24
aspect(if anyone has a good, small bluetooth keyboard to recommend, I'm all ears)08:24
GeneralAntillesiGo Stowaway08:25
GeneralAntillesOr the Apple board08:25
moontigerthe iGo has a lag between keypress and char showing up ... AND the keys are in non-standard places that drive you nuts AND the number keys need modifiers to work08:26
moontigernot recommended by me at least08:26
aspectapple sounds like the go. Folding keyboards are horrid in my experience :)08:26
GeneralAntillesmoontiger, the lag is unrelated to the keyboard model.08:26
GeneralAntillesIt's an OS issue.08:26
moontigerGA... really??? that sucks08:26
johnxthere are two igo keyboards, right? one with 4 rows and one with 5?08:26
GeneralAntillesSierra is the 4-row08:27
moontigeri have a mini usb keyboard but i have tohack the plug to be a micro usb08:27
moontigerkhertan does a lot of python direct on the device and seems to like it08:27
johnxthe lag happens with usb keyboards too, unless you apply a couple little tweaks08:27
GeneralAntillesjolouis sells OTG adaptors.08:27
moontigerpersonally its too cramped for me to do that08:27
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moontigerjolouis?08:27
moontigerjohnx: what tweaks?08:28
johnxmoontiger, turn off type-ahead prediction08:28
moontigerahhhhhhh yes08:28
moontigeri have that off already08:28
johnxif it's still too slow, switch to the "performance" governor for the CPU08:28
moontigerwhats that?08:29
johnxnormally the cpu switches between slow and fast to save power08:29
johnxthis locks it at fast08:29
moontigerhmmmmmmmmm..... how do i do that?08:29
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moontigerGA... how do i find jolouis?08:30
johnxmoontiger, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor08:30
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johnxand echo ondemand > /... to turn it off08:30
moontigerheh nice ... thnx :)08:31
johnxs/turn it off/switch back/08:31
* Stskeeps pokes the coffee machine08:34
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Stskeepsjohnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.d-and-linuxrc.patch.txt , - funky little patch for bootmenu that gets boot menu items from /etc/bootmenu.d on internal rootfs, and allows for a secondary linuxrc on the partition to be booted, that takes over the boot process totally, instead of going through initfs's crazinesses08:39
johnx!!08:39
johnxpretty neat08:39
johnxdid someone get sound working nicely in my absence? or should I work on it?08:40
Stskeepsno clue, think people are still stumped by it08:41
Stskeepsi finished my exams so i'm back in the loop :P08:41
Stskeepshttp://rafb.net/p/0SMHzT81.html <- example bootmenu item08:41
johnxthat makes about ten times more sense than the other way of doing things :)08:41
Stskeepswell it also allows for clone to SD installers to add boot menu items easily and such08:42
Stskeepsit does add one or two seconds to boot process but compared to the benefit this gives, it's not -that- bad :P08:44
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GeneralAntillesmoontiger, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=178108:46
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, you ever get ahold of fanoush?08:47
moontigerholy f***ing crap GA ... you're my hero!!! :)08:47
moontigerthnx :)08:47
GeneralAntillesYou should request to join the garage project.08:47
* GeneralAntilles knows things and is happy to share the knowledge. :)08:47
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: not yet, but i'll prolly send him a patch for this08:48
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, drop a join request over here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bootmenu/08:48
GeneralAntillesmoontiger, I've got three, they work great.08:48
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moontigerim ordering a few as we speak :)08:48
* GeneralAntilles still can't decide whether he wants to order one of those Samsung ToC LCDs.08:48
tank-manheres one thats cheaper http://www.anitec.ca/product/10848/generic_usb_type_a_female_to_usb_mini_5_pin_male_adapter/08:48
GeneralAntillestank-man, that's not OTG, though.08:48
GeneralAntillesBesides, I like supporting people who build peripherals just for the tablets. ;)08:49
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i am just mostly interested in getting linuxrc support into bootmenu and maybe a "standard" bootmenu.conf that does bootmenu.d, but beyond that i'm not that interested, since it fullfills my needs for Deblet :P08:50
Stskeeps(the linuxrc also allows for booting stuff like ubuntu and others much easier)08:50
* Stskeeps wonders what fanoush's e-mail is cos he can't seem to find it..08:52
GeneralAntillesHe's Frantisek on the lists08:54
moontigerthnx tank but i already ordered the others (3) ... thnx again GA ... ive been looking for that for ages08:55
moontigerhow do i join garage btw?08:55
johnxgo to garage.maemo.org and sign up?08:56
moontigeroh heh cool :) *blushes*08:56
moontigerok wow i already did that and forgot :)08:57
johnx:D08:57
* moontiger looks for the brain...08:57
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timelyfwiw, i'm investigating mxr.maemo.org now09:00
timelysorry09:01
timelywe earned our host 6months of a credit because of dreamhost downtime09:01
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moontigerdoes anybody know if using gconf in python apps is ok to do?09:12
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moontigeror possible?09:26
melmothmoontiger: it is possible09:28
moontigerany clue how to do it?09:28
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timelyandre____: i hope you've exported all the backup bugs to upstream09:33
timelybecause i plan to bother whomever owns backup when i get to work..09:33
johnxtimely, did backup mess up on you?09:34
timelysomeone made me read some of its code09:34
melmothmoontiger: http://therning.org/magnus/archives/5709:35
timelyhttp://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1.deb was written to kill backup09:35
timelysadly, i think the host is down09:35
timelyso i'll have to wait for dreamhost before i can link to it09:36
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moontigerim on dreamhost and they seem to be fine right now?09:39
moontigermelmoth... thnx ... i didnt know if gnome.gconf was available on the platforms09:39
moontigerseems it is so all is cool09:40
timelymoontiger: sanjay rebooted ~4 hrs ago and hasn't mounted my homedir09:40
moontigersheesh i see a lot of probs on dh but i never have any ... maybe just lucky :|09:40
timelymy user on an account resulted in a 6month credit for the account owner09:40
* timely is just *unlucky*09:41
moontigerdo you need something hosted somewhere?09:41
timelyyeah, sadly i don't have the file :)09:41
moontiger:(09:41
timelyi'd host it in bugs.maemo.org if i did :)09:41
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timelylbt might have a copy i suppose :)09:41
* timely wonders if google crawled it09:42
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timelyfwiw, the claws people weren't too bad09:42
timelythey claim to have fixed their minor portion of the backup bug09:43
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timelyhey, stupid question09:44
timelyis nitro available for end users?09:44
GeneralAntillesNo09:44
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GeneralAntillesThere's likely a couple copies floating around if somebody needed to get ahold of it outside of Nokia, though.09:45
GeneralAntillesIt was available from one of the repos with the Diablo testing releases.09:45
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moontigerplease forgive me asking probably dumb questions but... is there a special path im supposed to use with gconf settings for my app?09:52
timelythere's probably a standard for it :)09:53
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moontigerheh .... ummmmmm any idea what it would be or where to find such docs?09:53
timelydunno, but when you find it, feel free to send it to maemo software, we should read it ;-)09:54
* moontiger laughs09:55
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moontigeri'll guess at /usr/share/<appname>10:06
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AddisonGreetings and salutations everyone!  :)10:18
johnxhi :D10:18
rm_you:P10:18
rm_youbrb10:19
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AddisonHey guys!  Anything exciting happening tonight?10:19
johnxI'll head off to work in a couple minutes10:19
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johnxI guess that's pretty exciting :)10:19
AddisonYeah, especially if you're a janitor!10:20
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Stskeepsjohnx: isn't it like evening there or did you switch timezone to something more european?10:20
johnxStskeeps, night shift :)10:20
Stskeepsah10:20
johnxalso, if I'm leaving IRC that makes it night per UGT :D10:21
Stskeeps:>10:21
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* Stskeeps is cleaning up his GTD inbox after two weeks away from work and trying to get his work organized10:22
* johnx works on sound in deblet10:22
Stskeepsmy progress will be building a stable /linuxrc for deblet, lobbying for people to use bootmenu.d, change directions on page to use fanoush's bootmenu + my patch, add bootmenu.d support to deblet so we finally fix the bloody fsck problem10:23
Stskeepsand look at the GTK installer someone made for debootstrap on tablets10:24
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Khertan_n810Hi !10:24
johnxah, is the fsck problem tied into this too10:24
johnx?10:24
johnxI just hit it again10:24
Stskeepsindirectly yeah10:24
Stskeepsbasically OS needs to mount fs read only and we need initfs not mock around with anything on the debian fs10:25
Khertan_n810someone have tryed new version of omweather ?10:25
johnxKhertan_n810, it's nice10:25
johnxStskeeps, alright, then I should test bootmenu.d too10:25
Khertan_n810yep i like the ui10:26
Khertan_n810does it a gtk ui ?10:26
Khertan_n810i would like to know how they make a grey background10:26
Stskeepsjohnx: still needing some fixes to deblet to support read-only booting, but i'll prod you when that's done10:26
johnxfair enough10:27
johnxis there some trick to get around the fsck problem in the meantime10:27
johnx?10:27
Stskeeps1. When filesystem is dirty, fsck it in Maemo/elsewhere10:28
Stskeeps2. If it still complains (likely/all the time), edit /etc/fstab so that the 1 on the / line is a 0, let it boot, then change it back10:28
Stskeeps3. Be happy, as it will boot cleanly (at least it did for me).10:28
Stskeeps(from capn_fish)10:28
johnxah, cool10:29
Stskeepsi'm just looking forward to getting rid of that bug :P it annoys me a lot since i cannot see what really causes it10:29
Khertan_n810from what i see in source it s gtk10:29
rm_youis deblet the name for IT debian? :P10:30
johnxKhertan_n810, it's the gtk default theme10:30
johnxthere's a setting for it in their settings window10:30
Stskeepsrm_you: yeah, we decided to avoid all the trademark/logo usage problems10:31
rm_you:)10:31
Khertan_n810hum ...10:31
rm_youit's... cute? :P10:31
rm_youlike mini-debian :P which i guess is the point10:31
rm_youreminds me of nublet <_<10:31
Stskeepswell as in debian on tablets10:31
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Stskeepsjohnx: i've also figured out how to establish charger status on boot and such so there'll be a package for that eventually10:32
Stskeepsso we can see how to act when booting10:32
johnxStskeeps, from "bootreason" right?10:32
Stskeepsyeah10:32
Khertan_n810it s doesn t like a theme setting10:32
Stskeepsthe linuxrc thing incidentially also fixes the blowing up on starting up on charger10:33
Khertan_n810but more a background setiing on all widget10:33
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qwerty12Khertan_n810: http://i38.tinypic.com/125o07n.png - is a mockup. This is what you get in real life: http://i36.tinypic.com/iqwwus.png . https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/omweather-0.21.1/?root=omweather - source10:39
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blahdeblah-lapjack: On your original question (@ 15:14) about Eee PC vs. N800, one of my issues with the N800 is that the CPU power is very limited.  Its portability is first class, but its power is not.10:42
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blahdeblah-lap´╗┐If you're talking about old-fashioned C & stuff in command-line mode, it would probably do OK, but i frequently get frustrated with the fact that web pages take 4-10x as long to load on the N800 as they do on my laptop.10:43
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Kegetysthats partially propably because of the web browser itself being slow10:45
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blahdeblah-lapKegetys: Whatever the reason, it's a pain.10:47
blahdeblah-lapIf it's more convenient to get up from the chair, walk downstairs, and boot up the laptop to browse Facebook, what's the point of having a mobile Internet device?10:48
blahdeblah-lapI use it more as a PDA (with the GPE suite) and an MP3 player than as a MID.10:48
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Kegetysyeah it sucks a bit, though I wouldnt exoect the experience to be that comparable to a "proper" computer anyway, but it could be a lot faster and more usable I think10:50
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timelyandre____: gah, i so want to ban plenware11:01
andre____me too.11:02
andre____or an auto RTFM answer when posting anything11:02
timelythanks for the imports11:03
timelyi'll go whack people in a few mins11:03
* timely is actually kinda sick and might: use bathroom, walk to work, schedule doctor's visit, visit backup people, go home11:03
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andre____:-/11:03
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JaffaMorning, all11:12
rmrfchikre11:12
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Khertanhi ... again ...11:16
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ItalodanceDevelopment11:22
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Italodanceof Deb11:22
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XTL...11:25
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bef0rdhello :|11:27
qwerty12hey bef0rd11:28
bef0rdhow is it going qwerty1211:28
qwerty12All great here, thanks, how about you?11:28
bef0rdcool, figuring out how to use regular expressions on c#11:30
timelessandre: ping11:30
andre____timeless, pong11:33
moontigerok so i cant figure out the path to use for gconf on the n810 ... anybody got any clues? :)11:34
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qwerty12moontiger: Path? You can use gconftool if you wish, the raw gconf files are in /var/lib/gconf11:35
bef0rdI think he means the path to store values for his app11:37
bef0rdthere should be a guide somewhere on gnome doc11:37
moontigerbedford: yes but i cant find any docs :(11:37
XTLhttp://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/11:40
XTLIt's not hugely documented, but what I've read seems pretty clear.11:40
XTL(I don't really know what the problem is either)11:40
moontigerwell the path '/apps/<appname>/<keyname>' works on my desktop but not on my n81011:41
spcuiwhat's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled?11:44
liriwhat does the GPE suite sync with?11:44
aquatixit's evolution dataserver, so it can sync with the same things evolution can i guess11:45
thuxis there any command in os2008 which makes led flash? that i could ssh to tablet and say something to make it flash its led?11:46
_marcell_GeneralAntilles: ping11:46
liriaquatix: ahh, do you use it?11:46
liriaquatix: it would've been wonderful if it could have synced with google services11:47
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aquatixliri: i don't use it myself11:47
aquatixmcalender syncs with google calender btw11:47
Khertan:)11:47
aquatixGPE *can* sync with google through 3rd party (syncml) services11:48
Khertanmcalendar :)11:48
aquatixsorry11:48
* aquatix has to wake up yet ;)11:48
moontigerkhertan:    :)11:48
Khertanthe best calendar application for maemo :)11:48
XTL:)11:48
Khertanmoontiger > i ve tryed the widget setting ...11:48
aquatixwell, it would be better if it could sync with my phone ;)11:48
Khertanthx ... it works great11:48
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liridoes mtask and mcontacts sync with google too :)11:48
Khertanmtask don't sync with google11:48
moontigerkhertan: np glad i could help a little :)11:49
aquatixthere's no todo thingee in google i think11:49
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Khertanbut mcontacts do it :) (not very well yet ...)11:49
liriaquatix: ofcourse there is11:49
Khertanliri > there is one ?11:49
aquatixoh11:49
aquatixwell11:49
Khertanwhere to ?11:49
aquatixi don't want to trust google with all my data anyway :)11:49
Khertani ll love to make mtask sync with it :)11:49
liriKhertan: ofcourse, there's Google Notes, I use it daily and I urge you to sync it with google services :)11:49
Khertangoogle notes isn't tasks11:50
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lirigoogle notebook to be precise11:50
liriKhertan: so mtask is a standalone application?11:50
Khertanliri > yep11:51
Khertanliri > and it s not a good application11:51
Khertani ll rewrite it from scratch in a few weeks11:51
liriKhertan: well these on the go tools with online services sync are a must for me, I'd love to see you improve it11:51
Khertanhum ... can't enter end datetime for google notes book11:51
liriKhertan: and adding a google notebook app too would be great11:52
liriKhertan:  :)11:52
GeneralAntilles_marcell_, pong.11:52
spcuiwhat's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled?11:52
spcuiwho can help me?11:52
Khertanliri > yep ... i ll surelly do it after mContacts will be finished :)11:52
liriKhertan: I'm waiting11:53
XTLspcui: it's a funky kernel feature. What about it?11:53
Khertansomeone know how omweather set bg color on his windows ? when i do it ... mine is still blank11:53
Khertan?11:53
spcuimy scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system11:54
_marcell_GeneralAntilles: about the website typo and grammar bugs. I was wondering if you would be interested in fixing those. I gould give you webeditors access on maemo.org.11:54
GeneralAntillesI don't have any issue fixing those myself (I've got more on the list, too, that I just haven't filed bugs for). Anything I need to look out for when editing, though?11:55
moontigerkhertan: doesnt look like there is a python client lib for google notes yet11:56
_marcell_don't change much in the content :)11:56
spcuiKhertan: my scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system11:56
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming there are some Nokia-only sections that are off-limits?11:56
GeneralAntillesWhat's the interface, just midgard wiki-style?11:57
_marcell_yes, pretty similar11:57
_marcell_I am not saying that any specific page is off limits, because fixing typos is ok anywhere.11:58
_marcell_you know, when in doubt, just ask.11:58
GeneralAntillesJust don't screw with the content.11:58
Khertanmoontiger > http://code.google.com/apis/notebook/11:58
Khertanthere is :)11:58
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, yeah, I can handle that.11:58
moontigerkhertan: i just looked and didnt find a python one there! :/11:59
_marcell_the official nokia documentation is the reference guide nowadays anyway, so everything else should be ok to edit11:59
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moontigeror is it the same gdata libs as calendar?12:00
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Khertanyep12:00
moontigerdoh!!12:00
moontigerthen it should be easy enough12:00
moontiger:)12:00
Khertanthe same just import change a bit12:00
Khertanmoontiger > the sync isn't the hardest part ... the ui is :)12:01
moontigerim almost done with my gcal thingy so i can look at it after maybe :)12:01
Khertanhehe12:01
spcuiKhertan: I just want to know that what the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled is12:01
moontigeri just have to get that nice transparent stuff going on and make a few changes and its ready to package and go12:02
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moontigerspcui: what system are you running on?12:02
Khertanspcui > don't know12:02
spcuithank you anyway12:03
spcuimoontiger: my system is running now12:03
_marcell_GeneralAntilles: you are now in webeditors, try to edit a page under development/ for example, and let's see if it works.12:03
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moontigerkhertan: i'll be happy to help out with anything ... i like doing ui's :)12:04
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spcuimoontiger: i execute the command that 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled', then i can login the scratchbox12:04
moontigerspcui ... you need to alter the config of your system to disable vdso for sbox to run properly12:05
moontigerthere is a simple way to do that12:05
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moontigeradd: "vm.vdso_enabled = 0" to "/etc/sysctl.conf" and it will go away ;)12:07
GeneralAntilles_marcell_, just changed development/sdk/12:07
spcuithanks12:07
moontigerif you get a warning about "vm.mmap_min_addr" you can fix that too12:07
spcuimoontiger: thank you very much12:07
_marcell_GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks.12:07
moontigernp :)12:07
GeneralAntillesI guess I'll pick up those bugs.12:08
GeneralAntillesThanks, _marcell_.12:08
spcuimoontiger: what's the vm.vdso_enabled?12:09
Khertansomeone know how to modify the background color of a gtk treeview ... where there is no row ?12:09
Khertani get bg color for each row ... but not when there isn't12:10
moontigerspcui: its to do with virtual dynamic shared objects ... i *think* they are a hang over from a ways back in history so to speak but i wouldnt say for sure12:10
spcuioh...thanks12:10
moontigerkhertan: if there is no row maybe there isnt an item to have any properties no?12:10
Khertanmoontiger > yep ... but the color is set for the treeview12:11
Khertanso the background should be the one of the treevie12:11
Khertanw12:11
Khertannot blank ... right ?12:11
moontigerkhertan: but if there is no content maybe the color isnt applied?12:11
Khertanmoontiger > yep ... this is the problem :)12:11
AddisonI'm sorry, but why do you call yourself the General if you never made it two steps out of your basement?  Doesn't seem to make too much sense to me.  :)12:12
XTLSo he doesn't appear Special?12:12
moontigerkhertan: kinda like trying to set properties ona n html <tr> element12:12
AddisonWhy not BasementdwellerAntilles?  Seems more appropriate.12:12
Khertanhum ... it s seems that omweather don't set color bg in treeview ...12:13
jaskatroll spawn?12:13
AddisonSorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I think I'm being a little moody on my side.  :(12:13
moontigerok well i have to go get some sleep ... its late here ... nn all :)12:13
* GeneralAntilles rolleyes.12:14
GeneralAntillesHere in Florida, we don't have basements.12:14
* bef0rd puts on his robe and wizard hat12:15
spcuimoontiger: thank you for your help....see you tomorrow12:15
GeneralAntillesAddison, that computer seems to be doing bad things to your emotional state. Perhaps you should go upstairs and go to bed. :)12:15
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bef0rdhmm my computer keeps typing stuff12:17
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bef0rdit types 'qweruiop879+'12:18
bef0rdthen lowers the volume :\12:18
qwerty12it's not me!12:18
XTLYeah, sorry about that.12:18
aquatixwrong terminal12:19
bef0rdif I were using windows I would have thought about being backdored :P meh, gonna try getting another kb12:19
GeneralAntillesHave all the Maemo bloggers died or is Planet just not updating anymore?12:20
Khertan...12:20
* qwerty12 evil plan worked. They ALL had my poison. muhahahaha12:20
* florian does not have free time for blogging12:20
* Khertan still trying to remove hildon windows blank border ...12:20
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florianAnyone here who tried atd on Maemo?12:21
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GeneralAntillesKhertan, kill it in a fire!12:21
KhertanGeneralAntilles > method not found12:21
GeneralAntillesTalk about the dumbest waste of screen real estate ever. . . .12:21
KhertanGeneralAntilles > yep ... gtk.window is more efficient for maemo than hildon ...12:22
Khertanomweather's guys found how to remove it ...12:22
Khertanthey force fullscreen for their window12:22
Khertan:)12:22
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GeneralAntillesI'm surprised it hasn't been fixed12:24
KhertanGeneralAntilles > ?12:24
GeneralAntillesWell, no, not surprised12:24
GeneralAntillesNothing Maemo-related surprises me anymore12:24
Khertanthe fullscreen windows ?12:24
Khertanor the with space12:24
GeneralAntillesIt's interesting to note that that retarded border hasn't been fixed in 3 years. :P12:24
AddisonGood job GA, I really should go upstairs now and work on my emotional state.  Thank you so much for your direction!  It's so great to get advice from a social leper such as yourself!  :)12:24
Khertanthat retarded border ?12:25
GeneralAntillesTalk about unprovoked trolling.12:25
GeneralAntillesThe whitespace border12:25
GeneralAntillesAddison, get back to me when you feel like making useful contributions beyond whining and random trolling.12:26
Khertanllol12:26
AddisonHey, I'm just upset today and you were the first person I could jump on.   Sorry, I needed to lash out on someone and you always seem to be the perfect target for those who don't know you.12:27
bef0rdinternet, serious business12:27
GeneralAntillesAddison, buy a stress doll instead. I'm not in the mood.12:27
XTLrun Eliza12:28
AddisonYou're never in the mood, but yeah, I'll buy one.  :)12:28
aquatixand don't forget to buy a new keyboard afterward12:28
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Khertanlol setting frame or set_decorated(False) do nothing on a hildon window12:32
qwerty12Khertan: kill it for disobedience12:33
Khertanset_border_width do nothing too12:34
Khertanqwerty12 > hildon.Window.killit("Brutally") method not found ...12:35
qwerty12lol12:35
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KhertanGeneralAntilles> there is no bug in bugs.maemo.org for hildon.Window border12:38
RST38hIt's not alive, destroy it, not kill12:40
aquatixcan't kill the undead12:45
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GeneralAntillesKhertan, I swear there is12:57
KhertanGeneralAntilles > #360512:57
Khertanhum ... doesn't found it with search12:57
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GeneralAntillesIt may be hidden in one of Sean Luke's useless bugs, though. . . .12:57
Khertanso i ve just created #360512:57
Khertanbut if you found it i ll mark as duplicate ...12:58
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GeneralAntillesKhertan, I can't dig it up13:03
GeneralAntillesand don't feel like wadding through Sean's bugs to find it13:03
GeneralAntillesKhertan, that summary is basically useless. :P13:04
Khertanreally ?13:04
GeneralAntillesI need to be able to know what the bug's about by looking at the summary.13:05
Khertank ...13:05
GeneralAntillesRight now I get "something related to Hildon windows and borders"13:05
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KhertanHildon Window Border Can't be Set13:05
Khertanis it better ?13:05
Khertansorry ... i don't report bugs frequently ... :)13:06
GeneralAntillesWell, um, are we making an enhancement request to have it configurable or filing a bug against it for wasting screen real estate unnecessarily?13:06
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GeneralAntillesNo, no worries, just doing my part to help get it fixed ASAP. ;)13:06
KhertanGeneralAntilles > i think it s better to have configurable and keep it this way for existing app13:06
KhertanGeneralAntilles > yep, i don't blame you for that ... i just want to do the thing better ... and thx for helping me13:07
GeneralAntilles"Allow Hildon window border size to be set"13:07
Khertanyep :)13:07
Khertangreat summary :)13:07
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd be inclined to file a bug to have the default changed to 0px13:08
GeneralAntillessince that border pisses me off.13:08
Khertanhehe13:09
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Khertanyep fill one ... an we will see which decision is made at nokia13:09
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XTLSo there's going to be a new bug for that?13:10
Khertanbut having default to zero isn't incompatible with having setting working :)13:10
GeneralAntillesMy bet is that they wont respond to it until they ship a Qt-default OS sometime in 2012. ;)13:10
KhertanGeneralAntilles > burk ... qt ... beurkk !13:10
Khertan:)13:10
GeneralAntillesEhehe13:10
Khertani hope they will not change gtk for qt too fast ...13:11
aquatixindeed13:11
Khertanas i don't like the qt api ...13:11
* aquatix likes gtk better13:11
* florian too13:11
Khertanand my soft will stay in gtk ...13:11
Khertanso this will break a bit the overall gui guidelines13:12
aquatixthat border is a waste of space indeed13:12
aquatixcould be at least thinner13:12
* Khertan still haven't undestand why nokia bought trolltech13:12
GeneralAntillesOr gone13:12
GeneralAntillesI don't see what purpose it serves.13:12
GeneralAntillesOther than to get in the way13:12
GeneralAntillesCould somebody hack the theme engine to remove it or something?13:13
aquatixKhertan: maybe to kill it and let maemo take over the world ;)13:13
KhertanGeneralAntilles ... hum you think it s in gtk rc ?13:13
GeneralAntillesKhertan, I don't have a clue.13:13
aquatixGeneralAntilles: hm, good point13:13
Khertanas gtk.Window don't have13:13
GeneralAntillesI figure everything that could possibly be causing it is open source, though.13:13
Khertani think it s hard coded in hildon.Window13:13
Khertanso hildon-libs13:14
Khertanbut we can look :)13:14
GeneralAntillesPatch 'em up and ship a community hack?13:14
Khertanas we can view the source13:14
Khertan(just need to find where)13:14
GeneralAntillesMight make Nokia a little more inclined towards fixing it if there were a patch to go with the bug, too. . . .13:14
Khertanyep13:14
GeneralAntillesThough I guess Hildon is slightly more of an "upstream" issue these days.13:14
qwerty12Any examples of windows with this border problem? :)13:15
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, all of them.13:15
qwerty12Fair enough.13:15
GeneralAntilleslol13:15
* qwerty12 vncs in13:15
qwerty12:)13:15
Khertanqwerty12 > #3605 ... look at the small pygtk code13:15
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KhertanGeneralAntilles > do u know where is the last source for hildon-libs ?13:15
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, hit up itT's frontpage with MicroB and notice the giant white bar between the taskbar/statusbar and the webpage. ;)13:16
aquatixKhertan: you reverted back to that weird irc client btw? :)13:16
qwerty12Will do , thanks13:16
GeneralAntillesIs mxr up or down at this point?13:16
qwerty12Khertan: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildon/13:16
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Khertanthx13:16
qwerty12debian naming guidelines. lib goes first :)13:16
qwerty12as I found out with libbluetooth2 vs bluez-libs. peed me for a while :/13:17
qwerty12peed me off rather :P13:17
GeneralAntillesNicely browsable: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildon-2.0.4/13:18
* qwerty12 recompiles x11vnc from trunk and basic optimisations. speed of this is killing me :(13:18
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GeneralAntilleshttp://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildon-2.0.4/src/hildon-window.c#49413:20
Khertanyep ...13:23
Khertani see that :)13:23
qwerty12Khertan: I can't run your test app13:24
qwerty12http://pastebin.com/d2250d27a13:24
Stskeepswtf @ http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214837&postcount=10 <- it's like a verbatim copy of my post13:25
Stskeepsspam attempt or?13:25
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KhertanToo many hits, displaying the first 100013:28
Khertanhihi13:28
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, same thing here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194527#post19452713:28
GeneralAntillesReport him as a spammer.13:28
Stskeepsyeah, i just did13:29
Stskeepsafter viewing his posting record13:29
qwerty12He's a spammer. All his posts are repeats. He has that college shit as his homepage in profile and on his sig.13:29
* GeneralAntilles hopes there's a special place in hell reserved for spammers.13:30
* qwerty12 thinks the border may be set by the theme13:32
Khertani confirm ... it s in the theme13:32
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GeneralAntillesHave I mentioned how awesome HD looks streamed to the 360 yet? :P13:32
Khertani ll try to change it ...13:32
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MangoFusionhey there13:35
Khertanhehe !!!13:35
MangoFusionanyone ever had an13:35
Khertanit s just a theming option ...13:35
KhertanGeneralAntilles > found !13:36
GeneralAntillesThat easy, eh?13:36
Khertan12,12,0,2413:36
Khertanyep ...13:36
GeneralAntillesWho wants to patch the default themes and ship a .deb?13:36
Khertanjust use vi on your theme13:36
qwerty12Khertan: Haha, nice, thanks Khertan. In the gtkrc?13:36
Khertanyep in the gtkrc13:36
* qwerty12 changes over ssh :)13:36
qwerty12and reapplies $MBTHEME13:36
Khertanqwerty12 > you can ssh on your nit :)13:36
Stskeepsqwerty12: flasher --flash-only=initfs from a fiasco image was enough to resurrect btw :P13:37
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Khertanlook for style 'osso-window-background'13:37
qwerty12Khertan: My NIT is upstairs, me and my computer is downstairs :)13:37
Stskeepssince i had my initfs installer handy on rootfs13:37
qwerty12Stskeeps: Great :D13:37
KhertanGeneralAntilles > it must be made for each theme13:37
qwerty12It's not hard to repack the themes but I can't be arsed to update the md5sums :p13:37
MangoFusionanyone ever had an issue in the browser where the vertical scroll doesn't seem to move when dragged?13:37
Khertanqwerty12 > i ll just made a new theme based on the current ... 'EchoNoBorder' ... :)13:38
qwerty12Hehe great :)13:38
* qwerty12 is a felicia fan :)13:38
GeneralAntilles0,0,0,0 will suffice?13:38
Khertanso ... i ll make a feliciaforqwerty1213:39
qwerty12Khertan: I've already done it :)13:39
qwerty12+ I'm mastered in the art of repacking deb files :D13:40
GeneralAntillesI have to regenerate the theme cache or something, right?13:40
KhertanGeneralAntilles > yep ... the easy way is to change theme :)13:40
Khertanand come back to the good one :)13:40
Khertanhum ... i ve still a border in the top ...13:41
GeneralAntillesI really want to like Felicia13:41
GeneralAntillesBut it's got those retarded boxy shapes for no reason. . . .13:41
Khertanand it s not really good to set 0,0,0,013:41
Khertanlook at xterm :)13:41
Khertani think 1px border will be better13:41
qwerty12Still got a border at the top in MicroB but the rest is gone :)13:41
qwerty12http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/1231.png13:41
Khertani got a border a the top too13:41
GeneralAntillesHrm, wonder what's with the top. . . .13:42
GeneralAntillesMan, that's SOO much better though.13:42
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Khertantoolbar border :)13:42
Khertani think13:43
GeneralAntillesWhat about adding about 5px to scrollbar width?13:43
KhertanGeneralAntilles > force thumb style will be better :)13:44
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GeneralAntillesThumb is too big for my tastes.13:44
Khertan:)13:45
Khertanmaybe i should made a theme tunner ...13:45
GeneralAntillesThat would be very sweet.13:45
Khertaninstead of making many theme with different setting13:45
JaffaMorning, all13:45
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Khertanmorning jaffa13:45
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GeneralAntillesKhertan, turn it into a replacement control panel for Nokia's Theme selector? :D13:46
JaffaKhertan: I started on one but never finished it13:46
GeneralAntillesHey, Jaffa.13:46
JaffaGeneralAntilles: that was my plan :)13:46
qwerty12Hi Jaffa13:46
Khertanlol Jaffa ... in python ?13:46
JaffaHave it create a new theme under the covers which copies the selected theme and doing it on top13:46
JaffaKhertan: I think so; started off command line based so could focus on functionality rather than GUI to start with.13:46
JaffaI'll see if I can dig it out for you.13:46
qwerty12There is also this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/puchi/13:47
Khertanhumm ... the top border isn't made by the tool bar13:47
Khertanmaybe the menu13:47
Khertanthis is just a color variation ...13:47
Khertanand i m just setting the hildon windows stupid border :13:48
Khertan:)13:48
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qwerty12True, but it's an example none the less :)13:48
Khertanyep13:48
GeneralAntillesAdded 8px to the default scrollbar width13:49
GeneralAntillesTheme's messed up now, but it works.13:50
Khertanlol13:50
Khertanwhat is the gtk-animation ?13:50
GeneralAntillesArrows are centered, but not wide enough13:50
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GeneralAntillesthe scroll position marker is left-oriented but repeated partially on the right13:51
Stskeepsis diablo initfs mounted rw or ro?13:51
qwerty12mounted oo13:51
qwerty12*ro13:51
Stskeepsk13:51
GeneralAntillesI can scroll the scrollbar with my thumb in fullscreen mode without having to stick my fingernail in the gutter, though.13:51
GeneralAntillesThe thumb scrollbars are ludicrously big and the default scrollbars are stupidly small13:52
GeneralAntillesI dunno why they didn't just make them reasonably sized.13:52
GeneralAntillesHrm, what other fun gtkrc hacks have we got?13:53
Khertanbrb ... i ll go eating13:53
* qwerty12 doesn't really mess around with gtkrc. Last time I looked, it was for YoDude to get rid of the Home text label on the desktop.13:54
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GeneralAntillesMight add a 1-3px border on the left so the theme doesn't look so funky, at least.13:55
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lcuklardman, saw this and thought of you :D http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/14:00
qwerty12WOOT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214845&postcount=4914:00
Stskeepsone reason for me not to upgrade to diablo gone14:01
Stskeeps:P14:01
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lardmanlcuk: lol, thanks14:04
lardman16 pages is nearly 12 isn't it?14:05
lardman33.3% can be rounded down to 0% I think14:05
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qwerty12Yep, Dummy connections show up again. Even better then before I must add :)14:06
Stskeepshm. am i just an idiot or is it not possible to make a x-term pop up that runs a certain command?14:06
Stskeeps(sorry for all the stupid questions, i promise i'll make some cool stuff in return ;)14:07
qwerty12osso-xterm -e14:07
Stskeepsfaboulous14:08
lbtbear in mind it vanishes when the command finishes - you may need a ...;echo "hit return";read dummy14:10
Stskeepslbt: good enough for me really - it was for my refresh-bootmenu script14:11
Stskeepsdoing some alterations based on fanoush's ideas14:11
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lbtdid he say bootmenu is moving to garage14:12
Stskeepsno idea14:12
qwerty12He keeps bootmenu.sh in svn already14:12
GeneralAntillesWait, wait, they pushed that without an SSU update?!14:13
lbtOh, ok - ta14:13
* GeneralAntilles holds a little more hope for the future.14:13
GeneralAntillesMildly interesting reading: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/FUTURE?revision=1292&root=hildon-app-mgr&view=markup14:13
qwerty12I guess it isn't a critical part. anything that needs dummy can just set it as a dependency.14:14
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qwerty12Nokia should move to UBIFS. FFS, they helped design it.14:14
lbtoh, also Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3589 - may be worth looking at Fremantle booting sooner rather than later...14:14
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Stskeepslbt: heh, i'm a bit disappointed that's a WONTFIX :)14:16
lbtas expected - but given initfs/etc/initfs.config, we have a chunky hook14:17
GeneralAntillesFremantle holds much newness.14:17
lbtand it gives us an in on Fremantle booting14:17
lbtwhere do we find out about it GeneralAntilles?14:17
lcukis it simple to  setup scratchbox?  is it more complex than dd'ing the contents of my vmware onto my laptop?14:17
GeneralAntilleslbt, I put most of the relevant stuff in the wikipedia entry.14:17
lbtthe fishy thing (?) was deprecated14:17
GeneralAntillesThe rest you'll just have to gather from the hint dropping in the lists, bugzilla, and here.14:17
lbtoh, so no public cooperation with maemo.org?14:18
lbthmm, we need a council...14:18
GeneralAntilleslbt, how do you mean?14:18
lcuki vote we vote for a council14:19
GeneralAntillesWe're a bit early for the public stuff yet.14:19
Stskeepslbt: it isn't so much a problem with fremantle - there'd just be a new bootmenu initfs version14:19
GeneralAntillesAlpha and beta releases will be coming once we get closer to release14:19
lbtOh, right, 'cos I'm not interested in improving the boot process :)14:19
GeneralAntillesthere are some details on the wiki.14:19
lbtand when it gets released it'll be "WONTFIX"14:19
lcukbbiab14:19
GeneralAntilleslbt, wait for the Summit.14:19
GeneralAntillesThat's where the start of the big stuff will be.14:20
lbtsure - just saying14:20
lbtThe way how the system is booted14:20
lbtis going to change in Fremantle and that would require separate bug,14:20
lbtis the text from the bug14:20
lbtI think the 'Sardine/sid' idea was good14:20
Stskeepssounds good they're making a boot change.. the current way is just obscure14:20
lbtthen we insane few could pull from it and see if it suits us14:20
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lbtI'd rather submit design bugs to 'testing' than 'stable'14:21
lbt(or even earlier)14:21
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GeneralAntilleslbt, yeah, problem is, Sardine just languishes.14:23
lbtI understand - it's mainly a Nokia dev process issue14:24
GeneralAntillesBut, like I said, alphas and betas will be coming for Fremantle.14:24
lbtOK14:24
GeneralAntilleslbt, you may want to consider expounding on the issue a bit in the 2010 agenda.14:24
lbtI'm just not cool with surprises in OpenSource - it doesn't fit :)14:24
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lbtOK14:25
Khertani m back14:25
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GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602#c214:35
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GeneralAntillestimeless, good progress on the logo issue, then, I guess?14:38
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GeneralAntillesHrm: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360614:41
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GeneralAntilles_marcell_, could you get away with adding a link to https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ ?14:43
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Mace_blah14:54
Mace_every site i try to get gftp from doesn't work14:55
Mace_wtf :-\ i want a gui for sftp14:55
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jottMace_: just use mc :)15:01
rmrfchikmc? duh15:02
rmrfchikahh, this is #maemo, mc is allowed ;)15:02
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jottwhere is it forbidden? #windows ? :P15:03
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rmrfchikfor me in #debian15:05
jotthaha why?15:05
Mace_jott - mc for sftp?15:05
jottMace_: sure, why not?15:05
Mace_does mc do that?15:05
rmrfchiki'm not talking about #debian at whole, i'm talking for myself.15:05
Mace_heh15:05
rmrfchikmc is bad for desktop15:05
Mace_i honestly never used it15:06
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rmrfchikuse vim for sftp ;)15:06
Mace_haha15:06
jottrmrfchik: i thought nautilus was bad for desktop :P15:06
rmrfchikand nautilus too15:06
Mace_i'm just trying to build gftp in scratchbox15:06
Mace_figure all i need is the bin15:07
jottrmrfchik: and bash and zsh are for loosers with all the autocompletion stuff? :)15:07
rmrfchikheh. zsh is the best15:08
rmrfchikbash is for loosers.15:08
jotthaha15:08
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* jott spider troll sensors get activated :P15:09
jaskatrolldar15:09
Mace_well. it runs15:09
jaskaalbeit im a zsh user :)15:09
Mace_now just to figure out how exactly i make a pkg :)15:09
Mace_i just downloaded the src and built it in scratchbox . runs in Xepher15:09
Mace_er.. Xephyr15:10
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Mace_hopefully all i need arehe ins15:11
Mace_bins15:11
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lbtMace_: there is a maemopad skeleton application which I used as a template to do packaging15:17
Mace_hm15:18
* qwerty12_N800 is lazy. dh_make. prefix section with user/ and dpkg_buildpackage15:18
Mace_i want to build stuff on the tablet itself15:18
lbtah, another masochist...15:18
VeggenMace: actually, no you don't ;)15:19
lbt;)15:19
lbtMace_: you don't run Gentoo do you ?15:19
Veggenbut if you want that, I guess that your best bet is a debian-environment on an SD card, and a cross-compiling environment there.15:19
Mace_i do... but.. i'm using a vm for this15:19
Veggen(hm, don't need cross-compiling then. duh)15:19
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Mace_i wish they had a working gentoo for an n800 .. that would be great.. with its own portage tree :)15:20
XTLeugh15:21
Stskeepsmeh, should be possible. i mean, i made ubuntu boot15:21
Stskeeps:P15:21
aquatixMace_: riiight15:21
aquatixMace_: and compile it on the device?15:21
Mace_aquatix - sure ;) why not15:21
Mace_400MHz is good enough haha15:21
aquatixwell, i have some reasons ;)15:21
Mace_well.. depends on the pkgs.. i'm not expecting to try to build openoffice on it15:22
* qwerty12_N800 doesn't feel like having the charger in everytime to install a app 15:22
Mace_but 400MHz and 128M of ram should be alright15:22
Mace_qwerty12 - :) that's why you do it right before you're going to sleep15:22
* aquatix just wants to install an app when installing an app15:23
qwerty12_N800Mace_: Wouldn't work for me :). I'm always installing apps at different times15:23
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aquatixnot watch countless hours of compile messages scroll by :)15:23
aquatixqwerty12_N800: yeah, same here15:23
* XTL is reasonably content with the current idea15:23
XTLJust add real changelogs and fully public main dist15:23
Mace_aquatix - but it looks like you're doing something important when you're at work when it's building haha15:23
XTLhttp://xkcd.com/303/15:24
qwerty12_N800it would be nice if dpkg didn't have a bitch fit when installing files to a fat memory card15:24
aquatixuntil the battery runs out right before it's done ;)15:24
aquatixXTL: heheh, yeah15:24
aquatixis it ok to reformat the complete internal flash of an n810 to ext2?15:24
Mace_aquatix - but sometimes you might have just your n800 and want to build a small app15:24
Mace_smaller apps shouldnt take too long15:25
aquatixtrue15:25
aquatixit's not like debian doesn't have a compiler ;)15:25
aquatixgentoo people seem to think so now and then :)15:25
lcukmace_you can build anything, but you cannot run "comfigure" to prepare everything (its got deps to debiantools which would blow your machine away)15:25
lcuki compile every day directly on my 81015:25
* qwerty12_N800 still can't see why15:26
Mace_i see15:26
aquatixanyways, mario kart time ;)15:26
Mace_wii?15:26
* aquatix can't seem to be bothered studying15:26
aquatixMace_: yeah15:26
Mace_any good?15:26
aquatixit's awesome15:26
lcukmario kart on the n810 :D15:26
qwerty12_N800that reminds me, i can now setup sbrsh after fixing ssh :)15:26
aquatixlcuk: lol, is possible :)15:26
Mace_thought the best one was n64 ver15:26
Mace_haven't played the wii one though15:26
lcuk+pvr and i will agree15:26
aquatixMace_: on the wii it's a whole new experience15:26
* aquatix is addicted15:27
aquatixand i don't play much games15:27
Mace_haha.. i'll see if i can buy it today15:27
jottlcuk: just get the optimized snes emu running :)15:27
Mace_i don't either.. i got the wii for mario galaxy and zelda15:27
aquatixMace_: i'd try it indeed :)15:27
aquatixhope you can find it though15:27
Mace_those were the only 2 games i really played on nintendo systems15:27
Mace_i know15:27
aquatixanyways, have fun15:27
Mace_it's hard to find15:27
Mace_ok.. later15:27
RST38hboo15:27
* qwerty12_N800 thinks about a wii. and a chip ;)15:27
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lcukhmmm jott, good point15:27
aquatixqwerty12_N800: myeah, thought about a chip too15:27
RST38his wii even being sold?15:27
Mace_qwerty12_N800 - i'd mod it but ...15:27
Mace_it's hard to get a replacement if you mess it up15:27
RST38hNone of the stores in US I visited had it15:28
aquatixqwerty12_N800: but with zelda you can install some homebrew channel15:28
Mace_they are still always sold out15:28
* lcuk thinks about a wii as well, i had loads to drink this mornin15:28
qwerty12_N800lol15:28
aquatixRST38h: best-selling console15:28
qwerty12_N800aquatix: cool :). i like softmods :)15:28
aquatixlcuk: hm, reminds me of lunch...15:28
* qwerty12_N800 spent 4 hours on my xbox :D15:28
Mace_i still haven't finished galaxy15:28
lcukyou drank apple juice at dinner time?15:28
aquatixqwerty12_N800: yup, and you don't have to bother about OS upgrades15:28
_marcell_GeneralAntilles: I will add the link to tablets-dev15:28
Mace_and i've hardly gotten into zelda15:28
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aquatixMace_: i borrowed it from a friend, mainly to install that channel ;)15:29
Mace_i want to get house of the dead... i liked it in the arcade15:29
aquatixstill have to do so though15:29
Mace_zelda?15:29
qwerty12_N800aquatix: great. updating m33 on my psp is pisstaking :)15:29
Mace_i didn't even know it had a channel.. haha.. like i said tho. i only played it for like 20 mins15:29
Mace_played galaxy quite a bit though15:29
aquatixMace_: with some bug in zelda and a custom safegame, you can install a homebrew channel15:29
XTL/part #nintendo15:30
aquatixdidn't play galaxy too much15:30
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lcukbbl15:30
aquatixXTL: sorry15:30
* aquatix stumbles downstairs15:30
Mace_XTL - heh15:30
* qwerty12_N800 hates browsing garage. project cloud is bs15:31
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andre__GeneralAntilles, around?15:31
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Mace_hm15:35
Mace_what pkg for the n800 would install tools to compile directly on the device?15:35
AStormMace_: binutils and gc15:42
AStorm*gcc15:42
AStormprobably bash and autoconf/automake/libtool too15:42
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andrewfblackHey Qwerty you still around?16:22
qwerty12_N800andrewfblack: sure, but expect slow typing from a n800 :)16:23
timelyfwiw... we're going to try to fix the start page bug16:23
andrewfblack  qwerty12_N800: lol I can get with you later then if needed I was going to ask you about that icon thing.16:24
timelyi'm still not quite sure why... but marketing wants to ...16:24
qwerty12_N800andrewfblack: I would prefer that :). My tools here are restricted and my battery is dying :/16:25
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andrewfblacklol what no external battery man?16:25
qwerty12_N800no :D. my charger is broken. i steal my brothers from time to time :/16:26
andrewfblackget you one of these they are cheap and add hours of time http://webapps.easy2.com/cm2/flash/generic_index.asp?page_id=3578346116:27
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andrewfblackuses battery from Black and Decker VPX power drill16:29
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qwerty12_N800cool16:30
andrewfblackone day I will do a real good test and see how long it will extend the battery life16:31
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GAN800andre__,  sorta16:55
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timelyhow's life?16:56
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GAN800Getting ready for a hurricane. ;)16:57
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lardmanHmm, I've now got a very small font for the message which says the screen & keyboard are locked, is this a known effect?16:59
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GAN800lardman, what have you been messing with?17:00
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lardmanI just installed openlierox (spelling - worms clone), liqbase demo and some graphical du display17:01
qwerty12_N800lardman: got zap's repo added and his bytecode freetype installed?17:02
zap?17:02
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lardmannot intentionally17:03
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zapeven if you did, I don't have this17:03
Ford_PrefectHello all.17:03
zapso I doubt its my freetype17:03
lardmanit's only that message too, everything else I;ve seen looks normal17:03
zapinteresting17:04
Ford_PrefectDoes anyone use valgrind for memory debugging/profiling on the Maemo? (is it even possible?)17:04
zapFord_Prefect: valgrind is x86 only17:04
zapso you can use it in scratchbox/x8617:04
Ford_PrefectAh, okay. So how is memory leak detection etc. typically done?17:04
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lardmanFord_Prefect: compile for x86 scratchbox target17:05
Ford_PrefectAh, I see.17:05
Ford_PrefectThanks for the info, zap and lardman17:06
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zapmost progs can be developed/debugged on normal linux17:06
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zapand then a little effort to adapt to Maemo17:06
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Khertanlardman > new theme ? as this title size is in the gtkrc theme file17:16
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lardmanKhertan: I saw mention in omweather about whether it could override the theme, perhaps that's it?17:23
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GeneralAntillesPerfect hurricane track. "It's going to hit somewhere on the gulf coast.17:39
GeneralAntilles"17:39
Khertanlardman > omweather overrides nothing in fact, it s just a prefs to active/desactive the set_background methods :)17:41
Khertanas by default just created gtk widget have the default theme background color17:42
Khertanbut you can set it to something else if you want.17:42
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KhertanGeneralAntilles > at least they know there will be an hurricane ...17:42
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Khertanit s already something important :)17:43
GeneralAntillesKhertan, hey, better than 100 years ago! :D17:43
Khertan:)17:43
GeneralAntillestimely, might the logo update be an opportunity to fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 ?17:44
Stskeepshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214900&postcount=13 <- if anyone is bored to test a Bootmenu installer17:44
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Stskeepsjust tested it installing from www in microb/app manager17:45
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johnxStskeeps, just got back from work :D17:53
johnxI'll give it a spin17:53
johnxshould I flash back to a Nokia initfs first?17:53
lbtso, I click, get an xterm (which vanishes without me being able to read the message - think I mentioned that) ;)17:54
* GeneralAntilles wants his Beagle to ship already.17:55
johnxGeneralAntilles, that looks like a hot little board :D17:55
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GeneralAntillesI'm excited.17:55
GeneralAntilles720p decoding17:56
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* johnx needs to check if the beagleboard has pins exposed to interface directly to an LCD17:56
lbtStskeeps:   cp: cannot stat '/etc/bootmenu.d/*.item': No such file or directory17:57
lbtbbiab17:57
GeneralAntillesjohnx, #beagle17:57
GeneralAntillesI was gonna look into that myself17:57
GeneralAntillesBut the dvi-d will suffice for now.17:57
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johnxeh...I don't need any other non-mobile computers. so DVI doesn't cut it for me17:58
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GeneralAntillesI might play with it as a STB18:00
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johnxheh...my TV is within cable range of my desktop. no reason to have a separate box :D18:01
GeneralAntillesI've got a hacked Xbox to do it for now.18:03
* qwerty12 wants to get a linux stb and get it to stream. If only dboxs were cheaper :/18:03
GeneralAntillesMy computer mostly IS my TV, though.18:03
lbtMyth - yeah!!!18:03
lardmanGeneralAntilles: how much is a Beagleboard?18:03
GeneralAntilles$15018:03
GeneralAntillesAbout as cheap as can be. ;)18:03
lardmanyeah, not bad18:04
* qwerty12 notes it's cheaper than my N800 :P18:04
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GeneralAntillesI was thinking about playing with it as a carputer, too.18:04
lardmanless portable though qwerty12 ;)18:04
lardmanor rather usefully portable18:04
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* GeneralAntilles is gonna get Maemo running on it first thing.18:05
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qwerty12I'd like my N800 more if it didn't have that Epson POS in it :(18:06
lardmanqwerty12: there's always the next one....18:06
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GeneralAntillesSave enough pennies for a discounted N900. ;)18:06
lardmanassuming they do a dev discount again, hope so18:06
tank-manwhat is this epson POS ?18:06
GeneralAntillesThe LCD controller18:07
tank-mani see18:07
qwerty12Meh, depends if the hardware isn't as retarded in the 3 tablets they have now18:07
lardmanPiece Of Sh*t I presume that stands for? :)18:07
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, it can't be.18:07
qwerty12lardman: Yep :)18:07
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: True18:07
GeneralAntillesThe OMAP3430 supports 1024x768 on the built-in18:07
qwerty12But nokia's decisions over the hardware so do not fill me with confidence18:08
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qwerty12They even f*** up on the GPS in the N810. Granted, the same chip is used in the N95...18:08
lardmanwell thus far they;ve taken stuff from the parts bin18:08
qwerty12It shows18:08
lardmanI imagein they will learn from these mistakes, they seem to be good that that18:08
johnxI wish they'd learn how to make a decent d-pad while they're at it...18:10
johnxback later18:10
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qwerty12x11vnc configure script doesn't believe in optimisation switches :(18:15
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JaffaIs p.m.o broken, or has no-one been posting for the last few days?18:18
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, what I was wondering yesterday18:19
GeneralAntillesI'm betting broken.18:20
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: more likely, TBH :-(18:35
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Stskeepslbt: does it stall on that?18:51
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Stskeepsas in, it still continues or not?18:55
Stskeepsit just mentions there's no boot items :P18:55
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lbtit flashed up an xterm which vanished. Nothing else happened19:03
lbtI then ran as root19:03
lbtand the error appeared19:03
lbtit continued to run19:03
lbtand I aborted b4 flashing19:03
Stskeepsokay - odd that it vanished19:03
Stskeepsah19:04
Stskeepsthat's cos you need "sudo gainroot"19:04
Stskeepsenabled19:04
lbtok19:04
lbtI don't have any sudos etc - I always ssh in (either 127.0.0.1 or wifi)19:04
Stskeepsah19:04
lbtdependency :)19:04
qwerty12depend on rootsh or sudser :)19:05
GeneralAntillesb4?!19:05
GeneralAntillesYou sunk my battleship!19:05
GeneralAntillesrootsh19:05
lbtyatzee!!!19:05
RaytrayBingo.19:05
GeneralAntillessudser doesn't include sudo gainroot19:05
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qwerty12It should do, it has a blanket statement for all programs allowing sudo19:05
qwerty12No wait, you are right19:06
lbtStskeeps: also, I suggest putting in "Would you like a shell to allow editing your initfs"19:06
qwerty12original gainroot checks with cal to see if rd mode is on19:06
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, remember to plug your own stuff. :P19:06
lbtthen if they say yes, echo "ctrl-D to exit" and run a sh19:06
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: True :D19:06
lbtthe user can cd to the initfs/ directory to manually hack19:06
lbtv. useful19:06
Stskeepslbt: mm - prolly - i just added linuxrc and bootmenu.d and a .debable bootmenu, that's what i'm satisfied with19:07
lbtI feel the need to double check what the script does - it's only polite... :D19:07
lbthttp://slexy.org/view/s21Wn0exD519:08
lbtgo on - you know you want to19:08
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Stskeepslbt: ctrl-z would do the trick too..19:08
Stskeeps:P19:08
qwerty12s/^D/Ctrl + D/19:08
Stskeepssomewhat19:08
lbtyou see I also need:19:08
lbthttp://slexy.org/view/s2CPS9smJk19:08
lbt'cos I need to add devices for my multi-partition mmc card19:09
Stskeeps*nod*19:09
lbtthese are my patches for fanoush19:09
Stskeepsi'll wait and see what fanoush says to this thing before i start an uneccesary fork :P19:09
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lbtyep - I've got to pull it from svn RSN19:10
lbtanyhow - got to go...19:10
* GeneralAntilles looks over andrewfblack's itT wiki ports.19:12
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GeneralAntillesI wish I had told him to categorize them.19:12
GeneralAntillesThey're gonna need some retasking19:12
GeneralAntillesHey, qwerty12, got 30 minutes?19:12
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: No, sorry :/. Besides, I don't know any wiki formatting :)19:13
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_in_OS2008_Diablo http://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_on_OS2008_Chinook19:13
GeneralAntilles:(19:13
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to cull those two19:13
profoX`I can't seem to compile an application for ARMEL, I was able to compile it for X8619:14
GeneralAntillesBetter yet, qwerty12, you need to make yer goddamn rotation-support package. :P19:14
qwerty12Step one could be changed to point to the Enabling Root access page perhaps?19:14
GeneralAntillesYeah, they're pretty poor overall.19:14
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I may stick the middle finger up at software-version and just make a deb that overwrites specific files19:14
GeneralAntillesrm_you19:15
GeneralAntilles's19:15
GeneralAntillesunlocked installer wont work?19:15
GeneralAntillesI'm just going to delete the Chinook page.19:16
qwerty12It's not really an issue with version numbers as I can get those to match the maemo ones easily but for example, how do I install a xomap-xserver deb when "rotation-support" is already installing :/19:16
qwerty12I have a feeling that libxrandr2 is shipped with the tablet but I have no idea how to confirm.19:17
qwerty12No wait, I have a diablo rootfs handy, a quick look in /var/lib/dpkg/info will tell me :)19:17
qwerty12Brilliant, libxrandr2 is indeed shipped with diablo. Makes this a lot easier.19:19
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* qwerty12 is lazy, I'll steal the makefile and debian folder I made for usbmodeswitch19:23
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Oh noez, your advanced backlight install file for diablo doesn't exist anymore: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/advanced-backlight.install19:28
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* jott gives cmake another try...19:30
jottdamn you, evil builder! i will defeat you!19:30
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, never did.19:31
GeneralAntillesOr shouldn't have19:31
* pahartik tried "Mediaplayer" on "Nokia 770" with "Maemo 2008 HE" and "ADTS AAC" or "MPEG-4 AAC" did not work19:31
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Oh, I must have been imagining things :)19:32
GeneralAntillesDiablo isn't setup to generate .installs yet.19:32
jotti still vote for an osso-software-version-rxXX-community19:32
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timelessandre__/gan: um19:36
timelesswhat about "about product" in control panel?19:36
timelessand did you file a bug about about product?19:36
timelessi didn't mean in microb19:36
timelessi meant for diablo the whole image19:36
qwerty12Hmm, when you say about product, do you mean the version number being <unknown>?19:37
timelessthat thing :)19:37
timelessbut more does it talk about maemo?19:37
jott"maemo Linux based OS2008"19:37
GeneralAntilles"Internet Tablet OS:maemo Linux based OS2008"19:38
jottVersion: 4.2008.30-219:38
GeneralAntillesGibberish, mostly.19:38
Stskeepsqwerty12: you happen to know what effect dsmetool --root-mounted has?19:38
qwerty12The About screen in Symbian is a lot worse...19:38
qwerty12Stecchino: no idea, sorry19:38
qwerty12*Stskeeps sorry19:38
Stskeepsalright19:38
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GeneralAntillestimeless, that one falls under "to be fixed in the next major release", I think: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Transition19:41
jottmh the trademark page has gone :/19:42
qwerty12What was the first version of advanced-backlight to include rotation support?19:42
jott"maemo trademark policy"19:42
profoX`what would be the right way to recompile a QMake based application for maemo/armel ?19:42
jottqwerty12: 0.1019:43
qwerty12jott: thank you19:43
GeneralAntilleshttp://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/history.html19:43
jotti think at least :)19:43
jottga is responsible for PR :P19:43
qwerty12Yeah, 0.10, thanks :D19:44
GeneralAntillesPR, triaging, community support, graphics19:45
GeneralAntillesI'll leave the sweating over code to rm_you and jott. :P19:45
* jott shakes the autobuilder19:47
jottan live output would be nice :)19:47
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jotttelnet builder1.maemo.org and see ascii nerd pron :P19:48
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qwerty12Talking of ascii nerd pron19:49
* qwerty12 telnets to the star wars stuff19:49
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crashanddierepo down again ?19:53
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Khertan_n810hi again19:54
Khertan_n810:)19:54
Khertan_n810someone have news of the nobounds project ?19:54
Khertan_n810it could be usefull for the summit19:54
Khertan_n810http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/19:56
Khertan_n810?19:56
Khertan_n810it s abit old19:56
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qwerty12Does the Bochum plant still exist? :>19:57
qwerty12It's their revenge :P19:57
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crashanddieKhertan_n810, it sounds promising indeed, but I'm afraid it was more vaporware than anything else19:59
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Khertan_n810bochum plant ?20:00
mikkov_bochum is closed or closing20:01
mikkov_nobound was done in bochum20:01
qwerty12Yeah, my brother's N73 is made in Germany, think it will go down as a piece of history? :P20:01
* qwerty12 likes German and Finnish made products though.20:02
crashanddiehm20:02
crashanddieI don't have network access in scratchbox anymore :(20:02
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mikkov_apt doesn't work or somthing else?20:04
crashanddiewget/apt20:04
jotthttp://nokiapaloalto.com/research/teams/extended_home/jeppe.html hm :)20:05
Khertan_n810mikkov_ > arg this suck20:05
crashanddiewget www.google.com20:05
crashanddieResolving www.google.com... failed: Host not found.20:05
Khertan_n810so noone will finish the nobounds project ?20:05
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GeneralAntillesKhertan_n810, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.20:05
crashanddieKhertan, doesn't look like it20:06
GeneralAntillesThere's really no way to tell.20:06
GeneralAntillesIt was a prototype demonstrate20:06
GeneralAntillessomething may come of it, something may not.20:06
GeneralAntillesNokia may not even know at this point.20:06
crashanddieIt was TG2BT if you ask me20:06
Khertan_n810there is no more informations on how it works at this time ?20:06
* qwerty12 was finding the work done by lardman interesting :(20:07
crashanddieKhertan_n810, you probably have as much information as us20:07
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Khertan_n810crashanddie: gurk !20:07
mikkov_from the available information I would say that nobound is bullshit20:07
crashanddiemikkov_, indeed20:07
Khertan_n810bullshit ? it seems to rock !20:08
mikkov_read more carefully20:08
GeneralAntillesIt's clearly not a tablet-only proposition20:08
crashanddielike I said TG2BT: Too Good To Be True20:08
GeneralAntillesIt's connected to what amounts to a small-ish WIndows box.20:08
Khertan_n810oh ! it s a powervr mbx in iphone too20:09
GeneralAntillesOnly vaguely similar to ours.20:09
Khertan_n810vaguely ?20:10
Khertan_n810it s the same chip ...20:10
GeneralAntillesWell, the silicon setup is very different20:10
crashanddieok wtf, I need connectivity in scratchbox20:10
Khertan_n810ah ...20:10
GeneralAntillesOurs is integrated with the OMAP242020:10
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GeneralAntillesSo it's not really a "chip"20:11
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Khertan_n810yep but it s integrated too in the iphone if i am not wrong20:11
GAN800The iPhone has a Samsung chip of some kind20:12
GAN800I haven't been paying enough attention to it to say exactly what its setup is.20:13
glasssome samsung soc with some gfx acceleration supposedly20:13
glassmuch higher mhz20:13
glass600+20:14
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GAN800Slightly newer ARM than we've got.20:14
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GAN800I don't think Apple has clocked it up all the way yet, though.20:14
GAN800I think it's still running in the 500s20:15
johnxI was remembering 400MHz for some reason...20:15
glasswith it's batt lower could be nicer20:15
rm_youbbl20:15
rm_youjust got my desk and bed :P20:15
GAN800It shipped at 412 or 408 or similar20:15
jottmikkov_: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/cmake_2.6.1-1maemo3/armel.build.log.OK.txt \o|20:15
Khertan_n810draining battery ? :)20:15
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jottin your face autobuilder!20:15
rm_youjohnx: I sleep on a MATRESS tonight! :P20:15
rm_youjott: sup :P20:15
johnxrm_you, lucky!20:15
rm_youjott: laters :P20:15
johnxrm_you, quit bragging :P20:15
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rm_youjohnx: lol yeah, :P20:15
GAN800rm_you is living large20:15
rm_you:P20:15
lcuklardman|gone, when you get back perhaps you can tell me again what you mean20:15
rm_youwas sleeping on soundproofing foam20:16
rm_you>_>20:16
jottrm_you: finally build cmake :)20:16
dannymjott: cool :)20:16
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johnxrm_you, ok, that's pretty sad20:16
rm_youbbl moving computer off of my ghettorigged desk :P20:16
lcukat least with soundproofing foam you will have a quiet nights sleep20:16
rm_youjott: :P20:16
rm_youhehe20:16
rm_youyeah anyway, bbl20:16
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MangoFusionwhats this20:19
lcukwhats what?20:19
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MangoFusionmy internet tablet just seized up and crashed20:19
MangoFusiondid they incorporate windows in the latest update or something?20:20
* lcuk tunes his psychic radar20:20
Khertan_n810i get a strange crash too with app manager20:20
Khertan_n810on updating list20:20
Khertan_n810screen collapse from left and pfiouf ...reboot20:21
* lcuk is eternally grateful he stuck with chinook for now20:21
lcuki'll wait for diablo SP120:21
Khertan_n810but i get only one time on chinook and one time on diablo20:21
RST38hSP1 is here!20:21
Khertan_n810lol20:22
lcukits not SP1 until its available on windowsupdate.com20:22
GAN800Pfft, Chinook sucks ass20:22
Khertan_n810yep20:22
Khertan_n810diablo powa !!!20:22
lcuki dont have stability issues: for my usage case its rock solid stable20:22
GAN800lcuk's just living in the past.20:22
Khertan_n810lcuk > lucky u are20:22
lcukactually GAN, its a tool, and i see no point in updatign unless i have a specific problem or unmissable feature20:23
lcukso far i havent seen that in diablo20:23
* GAN800 rolleyes20:23
* lcuk checks for updates to his casio calculator20:24
johnxman, I get the most random email O_o20:24
lcuknahhh john, i get the most random emails :P20:25
jottcalm down johnx it's just spam :P20:25
GAN800I'm getting all sorts of Cyrillic spam at the moment.20:25
johnxjott, for all the world, I really think it's not20:25
lcukcnn (i think) spam is bad at work20:25
johnxmight be a wrong address though20:25
jottDating from Winnipeg :20:25
jottI am Mia: 59 year old woman20:25
jottyuck! :O20:25
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* lcuk gets real mails from people all the time. intended for someone.liquid@gmail they copy n paste but dont bring the someone.20:26
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johnxjott, I played "follow the money" but there are no links or stock names or anything...It just says "fuck off"20:26
* lcuk even has a nutters folder20:26
* GAN800 seconds that emotion. :P20:26
* Stskeeps reinstalls deblet for first time in a bloody long time20:28
RST38hGAN: Are you offered hot anal sex videos?20:29
* Khertan_n810 try to set bg color of a treeview20:29
InHuManHow can I backup rootfs? Is "cat /dev/mtdblock4 > rootfs.jffs2" ok?20:32
Khertan_n810someone know how to set the background color of a treeview when no data is in20:33
Khertan_n810i always get blank when there is no data20:34
Stskeepshmm. when you use single click .install, it doesn't add the repositories permanently, right?20:34
lcukyes20:34
Stskeepsgood :)20:35
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* johnx runs into issues getting usb host working in latest deblet...20:36
eichican i make gpsd on maemo action like a gps mouse?20:36
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Stskeepsjohnx: that's odd, but didn't you have a odd issue last time as well?20:37
johnxyeah, had to load g_file_storage20:37
johnxbut now g_file_storage.ko gives me "device or resource busy"20:37
johnxI'll dig into it20:37
Stskeepslsmod | grep g_ ?20:37
johnxI'd love to type that...but I have no keyboard20:38
johnxnot until usb host works20:38
Stskeepsah20:38
johnxanyways, i'm pretty sure it didn't load since it said "failed to load" at bootup20:39
johnxgotta figure out why though20:39
Stskeepsnew fix in SSU?20:39
* johnx shrugs20:39
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* Khertan_n810 want to fix this fucking gtk.TreeView background color !!!!20:41
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johnxpython md5sum is not fast...20:43
Stskeepsyeah, i'm replacing it with a new one when i've reinstalled20:45
Stskeepsthe guy who managed to do debootstrap as well compiled one20:45
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johnxzaurus has waaaay too many mixer controls O_o20:47
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johnxI mean really, no one needs this many mixer elements: http://pastebin.com/m5ce63c0a20:50
Khertan_n810johnx > use python md5hash.py from pypackager or py2deb20:50
Khertan_n810bye20:50
johnxI'll just settle for a file size compare for now20:50
johnxbye Khertan_n81020:50
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johnxduh...g_ether is loading at boot I bet21:03
* johnx slaps the battery out of his n800 again, is happy that ext3 journals...21:04
Stskeepsforgot to dpkg --remove usbnet-emergency-? :P21:04
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johnxdidn't think about it this time21:05
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johnxI guess I forgot it was there by default21:05
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Stskeepsto help when things screw up majorly ;)21:08
johnxI suppose so...it's so hard to find one thing that is helpful for everyone :)21:09
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johnxwoo!21:10
johnxit lives21:10
Stskeepswoop21:12
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dougtis qole around?  the guy behind the bundyo-benson build?21:23
zapWhere I should report autobuilder errors?21:23
GAN800zap, bugzilla.21:24
GAN800dougt, qole's not on irc.21:25
dougtGAN800: do you know if qole is his handle?21:25
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GAN800Like I said, he's not on irc.21:26
GAN800Hit him up on itT.21:26
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mikkov_jott: what did you do ;) removed the non working part?21:31
jottmikkov_: enabled the use of system libraries instead of the bundled ones.21:31
jottso it now uses system curl etc. instead of cmcurl :)21:32
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mikkov_nice. Why didn't it already use system libraries...21:32
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jottmikkov_: ask the debian maintainers :), i suppose to avoid conflicts and incompatibilities.21:35
mikkov_I have always thougth that debian way is to use system libraries if possible21:36
mikkov_guess not21:36
lcukis sqlite the only reasonable local database for maemo?21:42
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gregoroviusis there a decent irc client for internet tablet os? I remember seeing xchat available, but it's not in the diablo repo21:51
gregorovius(other than pidgin)21:51
GAN800Extras-devel21:52
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gregoroviusGAN800: I thought stuff in extras-devel was mainly 'not ready for release'... am I wrong?21:54
GAN800These days that's less the case21:54
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GAN800X-Chat is just awaiting some packaging changes.21:55
gregoroviusI read something about the maemo builder being down, not sure if that's still the case as well21:55
GAN800It's not.21:55
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gregoroviusoh :)21:56
gregoroviusthere is xchat, thanks21:56
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gregoroviusbtw, could anyone briefly explain to me why isn't ogg-support in diablo yet? I tried to install it, but it also requires lightmediascanner, which is not available21:57
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kulveit shouldn't require that21:58
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kulvethe separate meta package for canola depends on it21:58
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gregoroviusI guess you're thomas kulve :)21:59
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kulvethat's me :)21:59
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gregoroviushuhm... I added your repo for chinook22:00
gregoroviusinstalled ogg-support and it all went well, the stock media player would play oggs, but it would not load them into the media library (I guess that's lightmediascanner's duty?)22:01
kulvethe reason there's no diablo repo is that I'm lazy. And afaik, chinook repo should work for diablo too22:01
gregoroviushehe22:01
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kulvelightmediascanner is 3rdparty and is used only by canola, not the stock media player22:02
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gregoroviusthen something didn't go too well. let me try reinstalling it22:02
kulveit may also take a bit until the metalayer crawler finds the oggs and adds them to the library. Shouldn't take too long though..22:03
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gregoroviusok, it installed well, now i'm rebooting just to be sure22:04
kulvezuh: we too ;)22:05
kulvegregorovius: it shouldn't need the reboot (at least it didn't on chinook) as it restarts several services. But I haven't checked carefully if something has changed in diablo..22:06
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gregoroviusyeah, I saw the restarting media daemons message, but anyway it doesn't hurt22:07
kulveyeah22:07
gregoroviusmy oggs aren't showing up in the media player so far22:07
gregoroviusi'll wait some minutes and try again22:07
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kulvemaybe I need to spend some time testing it..22:08
gregoroviusso, besides you being lazy (something I can't personally blame anyone for) is there anything stopping lightmediascanner-ogg in diablo?22:08
kulvethat library should be provided by the canola team..22:09
kulveI just made a meta package depending on it because they asked22:09
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kulvesomebody mailed them about this already, afaik22:09
kulvebut now bbl22:09
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gregoroviusoh, okay, I'll go and poke at them instead22:10
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gregoroviuskulve: well... metalayer-crawler seems inactive, the media player's library isn't showing oggs, if I go to clip -> open and browse to a folder with oggs it says (no media clips), and if I open an ogg from the filemanager (I had to direct it to mediaplayer-ogg, it didn't seem to have the mime association) it plays ok, but as if it were a video (it doesn't show any id3 info, and if I tap it it goes fullscreen)22:16
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kulvefilemanager issue is know. The video thing I've encountered occasionally. The media player -> open is known. But they should show up in the library.. :(22:20
kulvebut now I'm off22:20
JaffaDoh: Sod's Law - the evening before the marketing demo (that we bust our balls on last week), they have a serious problem22:21
gregoroviusokay22:21
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gregoroviusif/when you have time, i'll be glad to help testing or anything else22:21
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NeoStrider_hey folks22:30
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NeoStrider_anybody home?22:31
NeoStrider_hello there?22:32
Stskeepsi'm at work.. in my mind22:32
Stskeeps:P22:32
NeoStrider_ok22:33
NeoStrider_have you seen anything weird with scratchbox 1.07?22:33
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jotthm anyone else having problems uploading to garage (builder)? my ssh key does not work anymore :/22:38
jottRST38h: you had the same issue, right?!22:38
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jotteverything falls apart when x-fade is not around :P22:39
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jottmh now it seems to work..23:03
* jott scratches his head23:03
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moontigeryou know it never ceases to amaze me how much actual work there is in getting even a seemingly trivial app working properly ... good job i love doing this stuff :)23:09
lcukconsider it knowedge for the future23:11
jottmoontiger: what did you do?23:11
moontigerlcuk: heh yah23:12
moontiger:)23:12
moontigerjott: im working on a lil python home app to get my google calendar stuff down23:12
MangoFusionsame here. only i was trying to figure out why on earth microb was going slow when running some javascript.23:12
MangoFusionnightmare.23:12
MangoFusion;)23:12
moontigerbut config dialogs etc etc23:12
moontigerit all adds up23:13
moontigerand of course ... trying to imagine every possible error that could occur and planning for it23:13
moontigerhehe23:13
lcukheh moontiger at least you still have a framework that works for you :- i have started from a blank canvas23:13
Khertan_n810hehe23:14
moontigerlcuk: you mean python?23:14
jottlcuk: you even started with a black canvass *scnr* :)23:14
lcuklol yer moontiger23:14
lcuki wondered if you would pipe up about that jott - i did think it as i typed it23:14
jotthehe23:14
jottsorry23:15
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lcukdont worry :D i facepalm everytiem i think about it23:15
moontigerlcuk: well after i get the hang of maemo with python i will switch to c as its my preferred language23:15
moontigeraltho python is something im loving learning too23:16
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Khertan_n810print osso.alarmd.add_alarm(time.mktime(datetime.datetime(2008,8,18,22,17,00).timetuple()),title='test exec',)23:16
lcukmoontiger, i quickly went through python at the start - its drawing speed was atrocious23:16
Khertan_n810oups sorry23:17
lcukheh khertan :D23:17
moontigerlcuk: yah its feeling like a glorified vb to be honest but it has a place for prototyping and non-speed intensive apps23:17
Khertan_n810lcuk: it s your that was atrocius not python :)23:17
moontigerkhertan: hahaha23:17
lcukno, vb is fast compared to this23:18
Khertan_n810lcuk: are u kidding ?23:18
moontigervb is fast on a core2 duo maybe23:18
Khertan_n810already do v ?23:18
Khertan_n810s/v/vb23:18
lcukmoontiger, :) native vb6 could be compiled quite nicely and as long as you use core data elements and avoided strings its quick23:19
Khertan_n810moontiger: don t forget the 2go ram23:19
moontigerlcuk: and the purely oo paradigm is a good one to get comfy with23:19
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lcukvb.net is slow on the best machines23:19
lcuk.net is slow on the best machines23:19
Khertan_n810lcuk: u can compile python too23:19
crashanddieno you can't23:19
lcuk(choir) yes you can23:20
crashanddieyou can compile it into a self-embedded executable, but the code itself is not really compiled in anything of lower-level23:20
crashanddiemeaning the speed increase is nearly laughable23:20
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Khertan_n810crashanddie: there is real compilator23:22
Khertan_n810not embeded runtime with the bytecode23:22
lophytehas anyone been able to get the playback controls on bluetooth headphones to work with the N800?23:23
flo_lapre23:23
moontigerkhertan: can i send myself a gtk signal to force a dialog to show after the main window has appeared?23:23
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Khertan_n810moontiger: yep23:25
moontigerok thnx :)23:25
Khertan_n810someone know where is hidden the python alarmd documentation ?23:26
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Khertan_n810rahh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!23:36
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* Khertan_n810 say that the osso.alarmd documentation will be more stressfree23:39
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GAN800Only if you know the secret password.23:41
Khertan_n810hildonwindowbordersuck23:42
Khertan_n810i ve the right one ?23:42
Khertan_n810:)23:42
GAN800Nay23:42
Khertan_n810iphonesucks ?23:43
Khertan_n810maybe ittisfunnytoread ?23:43
Khertan_n810or ...23:43
MangoFusioni never noticed the window border until somebody mentioned it today. thanks23:43
MangoFusionnow i'm going to try and ignore it.23:43
MangoFusionmust..ignore...border23:43
Khertan_n810mCalendarIsTheBestApp23:43
MangoFusionresist...temptation...to...notice...it23:43
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Khertan_n810lol mangofusion23:44
Khertan_n810bit you can remove it :)23:44
MangoFusionreally though i bet i'm loosing a good deal of web viewing space from that23:44
Khertan_n810s/bit/but23:44
Khertan_n810u must edit gtkrc of your theme23:44
Khertan_n810and look for osso-window-background style23:45
jottgreat, now garage rejects the key again.23:45
MangoFusionmake me an app that has a big button in called "Remove that darn window border"23:45
MangoFusionand i'll be fine ;)23:45
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MangoFusion(it has to remove the window border or course though)23:46
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jottthis border is broken by design.23:46
jottmakes one want to puke on the one who did it :p23:47
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jottzap: could you add something like  if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi    to the mc.postinst please?23:53
jott(to make it installable in a sbox without X)23:54
jotterm not -z23:54
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jott-n or something23:55
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Khertan_n810jott> postinst that require user is really a bad thing !23:58

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