| GAN800 | You screwed up icd2, probably. | 00:00 |
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| V13 | nope.. | 00:00 |
| V13 | it just restarted... | 00:00 |
| V13 | as expected... | 00:00 |
| GAN800 | apt-get upgrade is not how SSU works. | 00:00 |
| V13 | I know that now.. | 00:00 |
| BULLE | and what is SSU ? | 00:00 |
| V13 | I read that there are some flags that apt doesn't understand | 00:00 |
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| GAN800 | You upgrade osso-software-version-rx*4 and it pulls | 00:01 |
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| V13 | well.. now I've booted in the internal memory and chrooted to the SD installation | 00:01 |
| V13 | but I don't know how to fix this | 00:01 |
| V13 | I don't have any clue about what's wrong | 00:01 |
| V13 | everything seems like the upgraded went mostly ok | 00:02 |
| V13 | all packages are fresh (changed diablo-1 to diablo and tested apt-get upgrade) | 00:02 |
| V13 | except from some minors | 00:03 |
| V13 | which I'm trying to fix by installing -unlocked | 00:03 |
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| V13 | any hints ? | 00:03 |
| GAN800 | Don't upgrade broken systems via unsupported upgrade paths. | 00:05 |
| V13 | but the system wasn't broken | 00:05 |
| V13 | why do you believe it was ? | 00:05 |
| V13 | I also did this: dpkg -l on the internal (upgraded, SSU, working) memory and dpkg -l on the SD (chroot) and all packages that are installed in internal memory are the same. | 00:06 |
| V13 | same versions | 00:06 |
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| GAN800 | OK, don't upgrade with sketchy repositories. | 00:08 |
| V13 | I'm sorry... what 'sketchy' means? | 00:09 |
| GAN800 | Suspect packages | 00:10 |
| V13 | such as ? | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | Like using the SDK repo on device | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | or the rtcomm beta repo and not installing it correctly. | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | or a variety of broken 3rd party repos. | 00:11 |
| V13 | well.. rtcomm was originally installed correctly | 00:11 |
| V13 | and never messed with it | 00:11 |
| V13 | anyway.. it seems like booting problem and not like package problem | 00:11 |
| V13 | *all* required packages are installed and of the same version | 00:11 |
| V13 | as tested by dpkg -l | 00:11 |
| mikkov_ | jott: cmake builds in my sb rootstrap installation too... | 00:12 |
| V13 | is there a way to get a boot console ? | 00:12 |
| V13 | to see boot messages | 00:12 |
| jott | mikkov_: really strange.. | 00:13 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | USB Control is not running on Diablo according to this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Diablo:_Missing_Packages | 00:15 |
| V13 | hvelarde I've usb control installed on diablo but I don't remember testing it | 00:16 |
| V13 | it surely runs | 00:16 |
| hvelarde|stealth | V13: "Note that USB Control is NOT the same thing as maemo-control-usb" :-) | 00:16 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | I have maemo-control-usb installed also | 00:17 |
| V13 | I believe you're talking about the program that changes usb mode ? | 00:17 |
| hvelarde|stealth | yes | 00:17 |
| V13 | it runs :) | 00:17 |
| hvelarde|stealth | how did you installed it? | 00:17 |
| V13 | I don't remember... | 00:17 |
| hvelarde|stealth | :-( | 00:17 |
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| V13 | what problem does it have ? | 00:18 |
| hvelarde|stealth | is says something like: Impossible to install usbcontrol; incompatible application package | 00:18 |
| V13 | xm.. | 00:18 |
| V13 | most probably I forced it :) | 00:19 |
| V13 | ah.. yes | 00:19 |
| V13 | apt-get or dpkg should work | 00:19 |
| V13 | without forcing it | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | V13, it's a package issue. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something wasn't installed correctly | 00:19 |
| V13 | or, red pill of course | 00:19 |
| hvelarde|stealth | btw, i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial on the repositoires stuff? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | so the watchdog is restarting during boot. | 00:19 |
| hvelarde|stealth | what is red pill? | 00:19 |
| V13 | antilles no.. it is not restarting | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | hvelarde|stealth, DO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH RED PILL. | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | V13, did you disable the watchdogs, then? | 00:20 |
| V13 | antilles: nope | 00:20 |
| hvelarde|stealth | GeneralAntilles: don't have to be so rude :-( | 00:20 |
| jott | mikkov_: -- Performing Test HAVE_POLL_FINE - Failed | 00:20 |
| jott | hmmm | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | hvelarde|stealth, I'm not being rude | 00:20 |
| V13 | antilles it fills the blue bar and waits there | 00:20 |
| jott | (only on the builder) | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm trying to protect you from a lot of pain and suffering. | 00:20 |
| hvelarde|stealth | ok | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm looking out for your well-being. | 00:20 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 00:21 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | but you don't have to scream | 00:21 |
| hvelarde|stealth | :-) | 00:21 |
| V13 | antilles: I've read your post in the forum and understood what could went wrong... for the upgrade. So, I checked all packages and they seemed ok. | 00:21 |
| jott | mikkov_: i think this might be a good trace. | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | hvelarde|stealth, I'm emphasizing an important point. | 00:21 |
| V13 | antilles: but now I don't have a clue on what should I look for | 00:21 |
| hvelarde|stealth | ok | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to get yourself in trouble, feel free to, though. | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not my problem. | 00:22 |
| V13 | antilles is there any way I can debug the bootup procedure ? | 00:22 |
| V13 | hvelarde most probably you can do what usbcontrol does with a simple script echo "something" > something (I don't remember it exactly) | 00:23 |
| V13 | in /sys | 00:23 |
| hvelarde|stealth | V13: i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial explaining repositoires? | 00:24 |
| hvelarde|stealth | I don't want to break anything because of having enabled some repository | 00:24 |
| V13 | it isn't like that. What Antilles says is that by using apt or enabling red pill mode, you will be able to install things (like USB control) that are not intended for your current installation. This can always break things. | 00:25 |
| V13 | Antilles do you have any hint? | 00:26 |
| hvelarde|stealth | V13: ok, thank you... I think I will wait for the package to be fixed | 00:27 |
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| mikkov_ | jott: HAVE_POLL_FINE test doesn't look too complex.. | 00:33 |
| jott | still it fails and is related to curl :) | 00:33 |
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| V13 | can anyone tell me the kernel version of the latest diablo ? | 00:37 |
| V13 | the *Exact* uname -a string | 00:37 |
| mikkov_ | Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown | 00:40 |
| V13 | thanks! | 00:40 |
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| crashanddie | I was at a 2600 meeting last friday | 00:56 |
| crashanddie | At some point, I wanted to check something, and sketch a bit to make a point, I got my NIT out of my pocket | 00:57 |
| arachnist | and then someone sent an xclock to you? | 00:57 |
| lbt | battery died | 00:58 |
| jott | mikkov_: still does not work :~( | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you were mugged? | 00:58 |
| lbt | just b4 the nit crashed | 00:58 |
| lbt | jott: that's not fair, he's tired... | 00:58 |
| crashanddie | they all started bitching about "how we need a device like that runs linux" | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | that's when I started thinking "am I at the correct meeting ?" | 00:59 |
| lbt | please tell me you didn't have the XP theme | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | no I don't | 00:59 |
| mickey__ | Has anybody here build Qtopia for scratchbox with maemo? Is there a recent tutorial available somewhere? | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | a few minutes later, one of them told me "what CPU does that run on ?" "Armel" "Bleh, those things will be worth something when it's x86" | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | '-_- | 01:00 |
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| jott | mickey__: yes. works fine. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3600 | 01:00 |
| jott | mickey__: well more or less :) | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The summary and the severity don't quite jive. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, did you hit him in the face with it? | 01:01 |
| jott | ~lart builder | 01:01 |
| * infobot cats /dev/urandom into builder's ear | 01:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it when people put their computer's OS in the OS field for ITOS bugs. | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you think I'd risk breaking my device on some unwitting luser who calls himself a hacker ? | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | it was quite a joke really, last time I'll be going to 2600 afaik | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 is durable enough to break some idiot's nose. :D | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah but his girlfriend was big | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles really wants to make fun of guenther for: http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4#Activity_log but he's never on IRC anymore. . . . | 01:06 | |
| mikkov_ | jott: cmake build fails on my Fedora, but it fails much earlier than on autobuilder | 01:07 |
| mikkov_ | something qemu related | 01:08 |
| moontiger | is there a good hildon api reference that works with the devhelp system? | 01:09 |
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| Slyh | hi | 01:10 |
| jott | mikkov_: yeah qemu is also quite high in my list of suspects... | 01:10 |
| mikkov_ | jott: is there any trick to make autobuilder build for i386 first? change arch? | 01:12 |
| mikkov_ | to see if there is same error | 01:13 |
| jott | mmh no sure. | 01:13 |
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| jott | but i bet it will run fine. | 01:13 |
| mikkov_ | or to confirm that there is no error with i386 :) | 01:13 |
| mikkov_ | yeah | 01:13 |
| jott | still it is a mytery why it fails on the builder and not on the host :( | 01:14 |
| jott | mystery | 01:14 |
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| icefox | Can someone tell me if /usr/share/mime is user writable on the maemo? | 01:37 |
| lbt | no | 01:37 |
| lbt | it's not | 01:38 |
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| icefox | The bug is that XDG_DATA_HOME is pointing to it. From the spec: $XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used. So any Qt app that uses QDesktopServices::dataLocation() which follows the spec will fail to save any data | 01:40 |
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| piku | anyone here use mono on a Nokia 770? | 01:40 |
| piku | I saw screenshots of monoeye running | 01:40 |
| piku | which uses webrequest and httpwebrequest | 01:40 |
| icefox | They probably mean to be setting XDG_DATA_DIRS | 01:40 |
| piku | but when I try it gives me notsupportedexception | 01:41 |
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| piku | I know it should be working so I guess I'll have to build a later version of mono in scratchbox or something | 01:41 |
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| V13 | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! | 01:52 |
| V13 | I did it :) | 01:52 |
| V13 | Ok, for the history, two things: | 01:55 |
| V13 | 1) If you install bash2 then it will prevent it from booting | 01:55 |
| GAN800 | It shouldn't. . . . | 01:55 |
| GAN800 | zapppp? | 01:56 |
| V13 | the first time you use it, it asks (@#$!@)$^%%%%%%%%%%%)$^@)$%@)$^%@*$%@$%) whether you want it to auto-configure (!$!@$)^#%@$%@@&%^@$%) | 01:56 |
| V13 | an waits this forever when booting | 01:56 |
| GAN800 | Ahaaa | 01:56 |
| V13 | I just happened to reboot after upgrading | 01:56 |
| GAN800 | V13, can you poke zap about that at some point? | 01:56 |
| V13 | zap ? | 01:56 |
| GAN800 | He'd be the packager. | 01:57 |
| V13 | yes. | 01:57 |
| V13 | I'll | 01:57 |
| V13 | 2) There is a way to debug the bootup procedure | 01:57 |
| V13 | you need to have the initfs_flash installed with a telnet/ssh server | 01:57 |
| V13 | and set up usb net from it | 01:58 |
| V13 | after that you do: | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | V13, there's an oldish wiki article on debugging bootup | 01:58 |
| V13 | xmm.. | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | Think you could drop your procedure in there? :D | 01:58 |
| V13 | why didn't anyone mentioned it 2 hours ago when I asked for it ? :) | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | Because it's not useful at the moment | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | and it actually didn't come to mind until just now. | 01:59 |
| V13 | do you know the url ? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Reporting_reboot_issues | 01:59 |
| V13 | anyway, I'll write it here since this is also displayed on the web.. I'll visit the wiki too | 02:00 |
| V13 | after logging in: | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to retask that to something closer to "Troubleshooting boot issues" or similar. . . . | 02:00 |
| V13 | * Load modules (jbd, mbdcache, etc...) and mount your root partition to /mnt/new_root | 02:00 |
| V13 | * cd /mnt/new_root ; mount -obind /tmp /mnt/new_root/tmp ; pivot_root . mnt/initfs | 02:01 |
| V13 | * export OSSO_VERSION=$(cat /etc/osso_software_version) | 02:01 |
| V13 | * cd /etc/init.d ; ./rcS ; ./rc 2 | 02:01 |
| V13 | and watch the error... | 02:01 |
| V13 | don't forget that the watchdog will time you so it is better to have a 'buffer' and copy-paste from there. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | V13, the watchdogs can be disabled with the flasher | 02:02 |
| V13 | didn't knew that... | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the rd-mode-flags | 02:02 |
| V13 | I believe it can also be disabled from /sys | 02:02 |
| V13 | or /proc | 02:02 |
| V13 | (or both :) | 02:03 |
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| V13 | Just visited the wiki page but it is not related to this (I think) | 02:04 |
| V13 | it says about reboots, not boots | 02:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Same thing | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's old and needs care. | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're in a good position to provide some of that. ;) | 02:05 |
| V13 | I'll create a new page "Troubleshooting boot issues" | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'll probably pull anything that looks useful off the existing page and delete it, then. | 02:07 |
| V13 | :) | 02:07 |
| V13 | OK :) | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks for taking the time. :) | 02:07 |
| V13 | np.. | 02:08 |
| V13 | thank you for the forum post.. | 02:08 |
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| V13 | How do I add code in the wiki ? | 02:09 |
| V13 | (the tag..) | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either you can add a space before each line of code | 02:10 |
| V13 | 10x | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | or wrap it in <code></code> if you want it inline | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That should illustrate both. | 02:11 |
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| V13 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 02:16 |
| V13 | quick&dirty | 02:16 |
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| V13 | now... | 02:19 |
| V13 | where can I find 'zap'? | 02:19 |
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| V13 | (sara conor?) | 02:20 |
| lcuk | v13, put your fingers in a plug socket. i normally find zap hiding there | 02:20 |
| V13 | An e-mail would be ok too | 02:20 |
| lcuk | i can't power my tv from an email | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | V13, check the maintainer field on bash2 | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be in the info pane in Application manager. | 02:21 |
| qos | how do i fix the screen rotation after the last ssu? | 02:21 |
| V13 | lcuk technology advances real fast | 02:21 |
| V13 | antilles right! | 02:22 |
| GAN800 | qos, reflash the kernel | 02:22 |
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| qos | GAN800, with what? | 02:22 |
| GAN800 | Same way you installed it the first time. | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | v13, to mirror gen's post, thank you for taking the time to add to the wiki. i read through it, the ip address you state (192.168.10.1) i gather thats the ip for the local lan, and to remove ambiguity would you just say that somewhere if it is. | 02:23 |
| GAN800 | See qwerty12's diablo rotation post on itT. | 02:23 |
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| qos | GAN800, but the new kernel which came with the ssu had for sure some improvements. are they gone, if i you the old one again? | 02:24 |
| qos | *use | 02:24 |
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| GAN800 | No, it's still the old build. | 02:24 |
| GAN800 | uname -a | 02:25 |
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| qos | GAN800, so, why was it changed? | 02:25 |
| GAN800 | A little weirdness with the first SSU run, probably. | 02:26 |
| V13 | lcuk one moment | 02:27 |
| lcuk | v13, no rush at all, you have already done a nice job | 02:28 |
| qos | GAN800, this one? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 | 02:28 |
| V13 | naah.. | 02:29 |
| V13 | it should be ok now.. | 02:29 |
| GAN800 | qos, yeah. | 02:30 |
| V13 | ok.. I've contacted zap too.. | 02:30 |
| bef0rd | what is sliderotate | 02:31 |
| lcuk | ill take a guess and say it rotates the screen when you slide the keyboard in and out | 02:33 |
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| bef0rd | :o hehe I supposed, just read about it on qos link | 02:34 |
| jott | hm "curse rotation" would be funny if you yell at the device it will rotate :) | 02:35 |
| jott | and then you curse again and it will flip back :) | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | reason-rotate is the follow up. you have to reason with the device and make it feel good before it will rotate | 02:36 |
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| V13 | bye guys... thanks for the help... | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ useful person | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough of those around. | 02:41 |
| lcuk | plenty of people with useful skills, but being able to handle documenting what they do is much rarer :) | 02:42 |
| qos | GAN800, sure about the kernel feature thing? current kernel version is: 2.6.21-200829maemo1, qwerty12's version is: 2.6.21-200823maemo3... | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, not just bitching and moaning and whining and pissing, but actually figuring out the problem and being willing to invest the time back into the community by telling others how to help themselves. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qos, uname -a | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at the build date. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The package was updated, but I don't believe the kernel was. | 02:43 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, the nokia guys updated the package but didn't changed its content? | 02:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As far as I can tell | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may have been to address the missing dependencies issue | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | or it may have just been an updated packaging | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who knows. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure you can badger qwerty12 into figuring it out, though. ;) | 02:46 |
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| jott | they sould atleast provide the source somewhere if they changed it ;) | 02:48 |
| * jott swings the gpl hammer | 02:48 | |
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| qos | *schuuuuuwiingggg | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, another reason why I don't think the kernel was changed. | 02:49 |
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| jott | but on the other hand it's nokias strange release department.... :/ | 02:52 |
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| jott | so current kernel version is 200829? | 02:53 |
| qos | jott, it was :) | 02:53 |
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| GAN800 | uname -a | 02:54 |
| GAN800 | Current kernel package version. | 02:54 |
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| qos | 2.6.21-omap1 same as before using qwertys kernel | 02:55 |
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| qos | i am getting aware of not registering the other stuff from the output. | 02:57 |
| qos | seems to be important too :) | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602 | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember the bug number(s?) that that's a duplicate of. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. freedesktop.org is just making my life harder. <_< | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh hell | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's like a thousand of these stupid bugs | 04:12 |
| pupnik_ | stinky semen | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | stinky semen | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | stinky semen | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | kill idiots | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | kill idiots | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | kill idiots | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen to that. | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | sorry i am misantrhoptic | 04:13 |
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| * pupnik_ stabs the shit brain soon-to-be-dead smackpotato | 04:14 | |
| pupnik_ | die forever, scum | 04:14 |
| smackpotato | a bit harsh wouldn't you say | 04:14 |
| pupnik_ | i just got my ass kicked by police | 04:15 |
| smackpotato | cool | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | talked my way out of jail | 04:15 |
| smackpotato | cool | 04:15 |
| smackpotato | what country | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | germany | 04:15 |
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| smackpotato | ahh | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | hand broken | 04:15 |
| smackpotato | fight? | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | i am not sure | 04:16 |
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| pupnik_ | they were nice... i remember that | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | What in the world happened? | 04:16 |
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| smackpotato | otherwize a fun night | 04:16 |
| smackpotato | ? | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | but there was this breaking things | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | must go to hospital | 04:17 |
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| smackpotato | sorry about that | 04:17 |
| pupnik_ | hah | 04:17 |
| pupnik_ | comeon - happy times | 04:17 |
| smackpotato | i saw a guy get busted last night | 04:17 |
| pupnik_ | yeah... | 04:18 |
| pupnik_ | it's really nice to be able to walk honme without any clothes | 04:18 |
| smackpotato | i was going to yell tazz him bro. but then i thought he might have a friend | 04:18 |
| pupnik_ | and then the cops are like "dude just go to bed" | 04:18 |
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| smackpotato | ya bed is goood sume times | 04:19 |
| pupnik_ | i will prove some shit now | 04:19 |
| pupnik_ | bitches | 04:19 |
| smackpotato | are you home now | 04:19 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | ready? | 04:20 |
| smackpotato | ? | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | i was goatse | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | tonight i will call the cops on him | 04:20 |
| smackpotato | lol | 04:20 |
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| smackpotato | so have you played with the 810 lately | 04:22 |
| smackpotato | to change the subject | 04:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I could've sworn there were more of these "cannot remove default installer icons" bugs. . . . | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, how should I do this? | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take bug #3602 | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use it as a meta-bug for the rest of these "cannot remove" bugs? | 04:26 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | Hi. I'm about to Flash the firmware on my N800 from the latest "flashing required for upgrades" to the new "no flashing required" firmware. Anything i need to watch out for? I have lots of backups already. | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe some edge-cases where some software hasn't been moved into Diablo Extras | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But most of the stuff is there. | 04:29 |
| smackpotato1 | flashing worked great for me on the 810 | 04:29 |
| blahdeblah-lap | cool - thanks | 04:29 |
| * blahdeblah-lap dives in | 04:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot is never here when you need him. . . . | 04:30 |
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| moontiger | GA... when i have my first lil app ready to go how do i get it in the repos etc etc ? :) | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No infobot. :( | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 04:36 |
| moontiger | thnx :) | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/intro/share_apps/ | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have a Garage project? | 04:36 |
| pupnik_ | done bitches | 04:38 |
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| moontiger | ummmmmmm nope none of that yet ... im just getting my first lil app done in python ... all that looks like it'll keep me busy for a day or two :| | 04:39 |
| moontiger | bitches? | 04:39 |
| bef0rd | :X | 04:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_'s either about to drop some mad-hot shit on us or he just fell asleep. ;) | 04:40 |
| pupnik_ | heh? | 04:41 |
| pupnik_ | i just watched my dad drive on heroin | 04:41 |
| pupnik_ | which is cool and fine with me, of course | 04:41 |
| moontiger | uh huh | 04:41 |
| * moontiger rolls eyes | 04:41 | |
| pupnik_ | we should all drive cars stoned | 04:41 |
| pupnik_ | want to fuck with me, bitch moontiger | 04:42 |
| pupnik_ | right now bitch? | 04:42 |
| moontiger | ummmmm not really ... but have you ever seen anyone *really* trying to drive on heroin? | 04:42 |
| pupnik_ | !- moontiger [n=lauren@c-24-5-78-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net | 04:42 |
| pupnik_ | terrorist watch list. | 04:42 |
| moontiger | ooooooooooo | 04:42 |
| pupnik_ | you're on it bitch | 04:42 |
| smackpotato1 | heroin is rare here in canada | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:43 |
| moontiger | you can do a whoir | 04:43 |
| pupnik_ | suck your own shit, moontiger | 04:43 |
| moontiger | s | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sad part is, that's about all it takes to get on a one of those retarded lists. | 04:43 |
| pupnik_ | exactly | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/ a // | 04:43 |
| smackpotato1 | dont mention the war | 04:43 |
| pupnik_ | terror, bitch, mccain, cancer, anthrax | 04:44 |
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| pupnik_ | FUCK THE POLICE | 04:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles sends the suits to take pupnik_ away. | 04:44 | |
| pupnik_ | FUCK THE STATE | 04:44 |
| pupnik_ | never gonna die bitch | 04:44 |
| moontiger | wow puppy you should move to europe :) | 04:44 |
| pupnik_ | gonna slice some cunt throats | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | One free ticket to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the world's easiest sweepstakes to win. :P | 04:45 |
| pupnik_ | all i have to do is kill one idiot, GeneralAntilles | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Feds be watchin' my back, yo. | 04:46 |
| pupnik_ | just... one... idiot... | 04:46 |
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| smackpotato1 | admit you want to go to the designated protest area is a good one | 04:46 |
| moontiger | anyways back to coding... good to ummmm meet you puppy ;) | 04:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to figuring out a solution to the osso-software-version depending on retarded commercial software dummy entries. | 04:47 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602 | 04:59 |
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| pupnik_ | fascinating how many people eat shit | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | so many 'professionals' | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | arejust 2girls1cup | 05:04 |
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| pupnik_ | we need a 2girls1cup olypics | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | with free drugs | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | cunt bitch shit eater | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | My goodness, the google searches these logs will be showing up in now! | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wont anybody please think of the children?! :P | 05:06 |
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| smackpotato | . | 05:07 |
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| trev0r | is it normal for the power port to be a little loose... when i plug the adapter in it can wiggle around a bit | 05:21 |
| trev0r | with the n810 | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 05:21 |
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| Proteous | I wiggled around a bit once | 05:43 |
| Proteous | it's wasn't as fun as you would think | 05:44 |
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| robink | smackpotato: Hello. | 05:52 |
| blahdeblah-lap | Hey folks, what is the difference between mogg and ogg-support, and which one should i prefer? | 05:54 |
| robink | ogg-support | 05:55 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | robink: any particular reason for that? | 05:56 |
| robink | blahdeblah-lap: I don't actually know the reason... | 05:56 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | ok | 05:58 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | OK - next question. Should i expect that Canola2 actually finds the MP3 files on my SD cards? | 06:05 |
| blahdeblah-lap | Forget that last remark | 06:05 |
| blahdeblah-lap | I thought that the eye meant that it was being searched, but it has to be a checked eye. Rather confusing. | 06:06 |
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| robink | Does lightmediascanner support ogg in Diablo yet? | 06:08 |
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| * blahdeblah-lap is happy - smooth upgrade, and last.fm support in Canola2! | 06:22 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | blahdeblah-lap, did you install the SSU update? | 07:12 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | GeneralAntilles: Is that the one that is applied online after the upgrade? | 07:43 |
| blahdeblah-lap | If so, yes - it went smoothly as well. | 07:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good to hear | 07:48 |
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| jack | hi guys, i was thinking of getting an eeepc to take notes and do a bit of programming (low cpu+storage demand), but i'm wondering if an old n800 would do the job. | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The question is, how important is pocketability? | 08:14 |
| jack | all i need is 80 columns wide, a compiler, flex/bison and associated tools | 08:14 |
| jack | GeneralAntilles: not important | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I would probably get the EeePC | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's basically the decision point | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | For me, it's useless if it isn't thoroughly pocketable. | 08:15 |
| jack | GeneralAntilles: i'd also like it to be cheaper so it's easier to make a decision (i'm terrible with decisions) | 08:16 |
| jack | GeneralAntilles: have you done any programming on it? | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800? | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only played around alittle | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of people do their coding and compiling on it, though. | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to khertan or lcuk | 08:17 |
| jack | really? | 08:17 |
| jack | that's good to know -- maybe i've found my portable programming device! | 08:18 |
| johnx | compiling on the device isn't perfectly straightforward if you use autotools or lots of libraries | 08:19 |
| jack | lcuk, khertan: i believe you guys use the n8xx to program on directly -- how do you like it? | 08:19 |
| jack | johnx: no, just need a compiler, bison and that's about it. (oh and libc) | 08:20 |
| johnx | this might be fine for you then. do you plan to use an external keyboard or the onscreen one? | 08:20 |
| jack | johnx: what's the onscreen one like? i type mostly symbols -- does n800 do handwriting recognition? | 08:21 |
| johnx | it does handwriting recognition but it doesn't work well enough to be worth using | 08:21 |
| johnx | let me find some screenshots of the onscreen keyboard | 08:22 |
| aspect | for coding, get an external keyboard | 08:22 |
| rm_you | johnx: ping :P | 08:22 |
| johnx | actually, just ask images.google.com: n800 onscreen keyboard | 08:22 |
| johnx | rm_you, pong | 08:22 |
| johnx | jack, there are two keyboards, a small "stylus keyboard" and a fullscreen "thumb keyboard" | 08:23 |
| rm_you | thumb keyboard is very usable for normal text input (in small doses) but not for coding really <_< | 08:24 |
| rm_you | you would need a bluetooth keyboard if you got an n800 | 08:24 |
| aspect | I can't imagine coding on either of the on-screen keyboards -- thumbboard is barely adequate for shell work | 08:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html | 08:24 |
| aspect | (if anyone has a good, small bluetooth keyboard to recommend, I'm all ears) | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | iGo Stowaway | 08:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the Apple board | 08:25 |
| moontiger | the iGo has a lag between keypress and char showing up ... AND the keys are in non-standard places that drive you nuts AND the number keys need modifiers to work | 08:26 |
| moontiger | not recommended by me at least | 08:26 |
| aspect | apple sounds like the go. Folding keyboards are horrid in my experience :) | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, the lag is unrelated to the keyboard model. | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an OS issue. | 08:26 |
| moontiger | GA... really??? that sucks | 08:26 |
| johnx | there are two igo keyboards, right? one with 4 rows and one with 5? | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sierra is the 4-row | 08:27 |
| moontiger | i have a mini usb keyboard but i have tohack the plug to be a micro usb | 08:27 |
| moontiger | khertan does a lot of python direct on the device and seems to like it | 08:27 |
| johnx | the lag happens with usb keyboards too, unless you apply a couple little tweaks | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | jolouis sells OTG adaptors. | 08:27 |
| moontiger | personally its too cramped for me to do that | 08:27 |
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| moontiger | jolouis? | 08:27 |
| moontiger | johnx: what tweaks? | 08:28 |
| johnx | moontiger, turn off type-ahead prediction | 08:28 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhh yes | 08:28 |
| moontiger | i have that off already | 08:28 |
| johnx | if it's still too slow, switch to the "performance" governor for the CPU | 08:28 |
| moontiger | whats that? | 08:29 |
| johnx | normally the cpu switches between slow and fast to save power | 08:29 |
| johnx | this locks it at fast | 08:29 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm..... how do i do that? | 08:29 |
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| moontiger | GA... how do i find jolouis? | 08:30 |
| johnx | moontiger, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 08:30 |
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| johnx | and echo ondemand > /... to turn it off | 08:30 |
| moontiger | heh nice ... thnx :) | 08:31 |
| johnx | s/turn it off/switch back/ | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.d-and-linuxrc.patch.txt , - funky little patch for bootmenu that gets boot menu items from /etc/bootmenu.d on internal rootfs, and allows for a secondary linuxrc on the partition to be booted, that takes over the boot process totally, instead of going through initfs's crazinesses | 08:39 |
| johnx | !! | 08:39 |
| johnx | pretty neat | 08:39 |
| johnx | did someone get sound working nicely in my absence? or should I work on it? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, think people are still stumped by it | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | i finished my exams so i'm back in the loop :P | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/0SMHzT81.html <- example bootmenu item | 08:41 |
| johnx | that makes about ten times more sense than the other way of doing things :) | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | well it also allows for clone to SD installers to add boot menu items easily and such | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | it does add one or two seconds to boot process but compared to the benefit this gives, it's not -that- bad :P | 08:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781 | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you ever get ahold of fanoush? | 08:47 |
| moontiger | holy f***ing crap GA ... you're my hero!!! :) | 08:47 |
| moontiger | thnx :) | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should request to join the garage project. | 08:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles knows things and is happy to share the knowledge. :) | 08:47 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: not yet, but i'll prolly send him a patch for this | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, drop a join request over here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bootmenu/ | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I've got three, they work great. | 08:48 |
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| moontiger | im ordering a few as we speak :) | 08:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles still can't decide whether he wants to order one of those Samsung ToC LCDs. | 08:48 | |
| tank-man | heres one thats cheaper http://www.anitec.ca/product/10848/generic_usb_type_a_female_to_usb_mini_5_pin_male_adapter/ | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | tank-man, that's not OTG, though. | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I like supporting people who build peripherals just for the tablets. ;) | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i am just mostly interested in getting linuxrc support into bootmenu and maybe a "standard" bootmenu.conf that does bootmenu.d, but beyond that i'm not that interested, since it fullfills my needs for Deblet :P | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | (the linuxrc also allows for booting stuff like ubuntu and others much easier) | 08:50 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what fanoush's e-mail is cos he can't seem to find it.. | 08:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | He's Frantisek on the lists | 08:54 |
| moontiger | thnx tank but i already ordered the others (3) ... thnx again GA ... ive been looking for that for ages | 08:55 |
| moontiger | how do i join garage btw? | 08:55 |
| johnx | go to garage.maemo.org and sign up? | 08:56 |
| moontiger | oh heh cool :) *blushes* | 08:56 |
| moontiger | ok wow i already did that and forgot :) | 08:57 |
| johnx | :D | 08:57 |
| * moontiger looks for the brain... | 08:57 | |
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| timely | fwiw, i'm investigating mxr.maemo.org now | 09:00 |
| timely | sorry | 09:01 |
| timely | we earned our host 6months of a credit because of dreamhost downtime | 09:01 |
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| moontiger | does anybody know if using gconf in python apps is ok to do? | 09:12 |
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| moontiger | or possible? | 09:26 |
| melmoth | moontiger: it is possible | 09:28 |
| moontiger | any clue how to do it? | 09:28 |
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| * timely kicks andre____'s irc client | 09:32 | |
| timely | andre____: i hope you've exported all the backup bugs to upstream | 09:33 |
| timely | because i plan to bother whomever owns backup when i get to work.. | 09:33 |
| johnx | timely, did backup mess up on you? | 09:34 |
| timely | someone made me read some of its code | 09:34 |
| melmoth | moontiger: http://therning.org/magnus/archives/57 | 09:35 |
| timely | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1.deb was written to kill backup | 09:35 |
| timely | sadly, i think the host is down | 09:35 |
| timely | so i'll have to wait for dreamhost before i can link to it | 09:36 |
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| moontiger | im on dreamhost and they seem to be fine right now? | 09:39 |
| moontiger | melmoth... thnx ... i didnt know if gnome.gconf was available on the platforms | 09:39 |
| moontiger | seems it is so all is cool | 09:40 |
| timely | moontiger: sanjay rebooted ~4 hrs ago and hasn't mounted my homedir | 09:40 |
| moontiger | sheesh i see a lot of probs on dh but i never have any ... maybe just lucky :| | 09:40 |
| timely | my user on an account resulted in a 6month credit for the account owner | 09:40 |
| * timely is just *unlucky* | 09:41 | |
| moontiger | do you need something hosted somewhere? | 09:41 |
| timely | yeah, sadly i don't have the file :) | 09:41 |
| moontiger | :( | 09:41 |
| timely | i'd host it in bugs.maemo.org if i did :) | 09:41 |
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| timely | lbt might have a copy i suppose :) | 09:41 |
| * timely wonders if google crawled it | 09:42 | |
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| timely | fwiw, the claws people weren't too bad | 09:42 |
| timely | they claim to have fixed their minor portion of the backup bug | 09:43 |
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| timely | hey, stupid question | 09:44 |
| timely | is nitro available for end users? | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 09:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's likely a couple copies floating around if somebody needed to get ahold of it outside of Nokia, though. | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was available from one of the repos with the Diablo testing releases. | 09:45 |
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| moontiger | please forgive me asking probably dumb questions but... is there a special path im supposed to use with gconf settings for my app? | 09:52 |
| timely | there's probably a standard for it :) | 09:53 |
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| moontiger | heh .... ummmmmm any idea what it would be or where to find such docs? | 09:53 |
| timely | dunno, but when you find it, feel free to send it to maemo software, we should read it ;-) | 09:54 |
| * moontiger laughs | 09:55 | |
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| moontiger | i'll guess at /usr/share/<appname> | 10:06 |
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| Addison | Greetings and salutations everyone! :) | 10:18 |
| johnx | hi :D | 10:18 |
| rm_you | :P | 10:18 |
| rm_you | brb | 10:19 |
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| Addison | Hey guys! Anything exciting happening tonight? | 10:19 |
| johnx | I'll head off to work in a couple minutes | 10:19 |
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| johnx | I guess that's pretty exciting :) | 10:19 |
| Addison | Yeah, especially if you're a janitor! | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: isn't it like evening there or did you switch timezone to something more european? | 10:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, night shift :) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:20 |
| johnx | also, if I'm leaving IRC that makes it night per UGT :D | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | :> | 10:21 |
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| * Stskeeps is cleaning up his GTD inbox after two weeks away from work and trying to get his work organized | 10:22 | |
| * johnx works on sound in deblet | 10:22 | |
| Stskeeps | my progress will be building a stable /linuxrc for deblet, lobbying for people to use bootmenu.d, change directions on page to use fanoush's bootmenu + my patch, add bootmenu.d support to deblet so we finally fix the bloody fsck problem | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | and look at the GTK installer someone made for debootstrap on tablets | 10:24 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 10:24 |
| johnx | ah, is the fsck problem tied into this too | 10:24 |
| johnx | ? | 10:24 |
| johnx | I just hit it again | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | indirectly yeah | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | basically OS needs to mount fs read only and we need initfs not mock around with anything on the debian fs | 10:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone have tryed new version of omweather ? | 10:25 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, it's nice | 10:25 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, alright, then I should test bootmenu.d too | 10:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep i like the ui | 10:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | does it a gtk ui ? | 10:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | i would like to know how they make a grey background | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: still needing some fixes to deblet to support read-only booting, but i'll prod you when that's done | 10:26 |
| johnx | fair enough | 10:27 |
| johnx | is there some trick to get around the fsck problem in the meantime | 10:27 |
| johnx | ? | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | 1. When filesystem is dirty, fsck it in Maemo/elsewhere | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | 2. If it still complains (likely/all the time), edit /etc/fstab so that the 1 on the / line is a 0, let it boot, then change it back | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | 3. Be happy, as it will boot cleanly (at least it did for me). | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | (from capn_fish) | 10:28 |
| johnx | ah, cool | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just looking forward to getting rid of that bug :P it annoys me a lot since i cannot see what really causes it | 10:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | from what i see in source it s gtk | 10:29 |
| rm_you | is deblet the name for IT debian? :P | 10:30 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, it's the gtk default theme | 10:30 |
| johnx | there's a setting for it in their settings window | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: yeah, we decided to avoid all the trademark/logo usage problems | 10:31 |
| rm_you | :) | 10:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 10:31 |
| rm_you | it's... cute? :P | 10:31 |
| rm_you | like mini-debian :P which i guess is the point | 10:31 |
| rm_you | reminds me of nublet <_< | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | well as in debian on tablets | 10:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i've also figured out how to establish charger status on boot and such so there'll be a package for that eventually | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | so we can see how to act when booting | 10:32 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, from "bootreason" right? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s doesn t like a theme setting | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | the linuxrc thing incidentially also fixes the blowing up on starting up on charger | 10:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | but more a background setiing on all widget | 10:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: http://i38.tinypic.com/125o07n.png - is a mockup. This is what you get in real life: http://i36.tinypic.com/iqwwus.png . https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/omweather-0.21.1/?root=omweather - source | 10:39 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | jack: On your original question (@ 15:14) about Eee PC vs. N800, one of my issues with the N800 is that the CPU power is very limited. Its portability is first class, but its power is not. | 10:42 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | If you're talking about old-fashioned C & stuff in command-line mode, it would probably do OK, but i frequently get frustrated with the fact that web pages take 4-10x as long to load on the N800 as they do on my laptop. | 10:43 |
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| Kegetys | thats partially propably because of the web browser itself being slow | 10:45 |
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| blahdeblah-lap | Kegetys: Whatever the reason, it's a pain. | 10:47 |
| blahdeblah-lap | If it's more convenient to get up from the chair, walk downstairs, and boot up the laptop to browse Facebook, what's the point of having a mobile Internet device? | 10:48 |
| blahdeblah-lap | I use it more as a PDA (with the GPE suite) and an MP3 player than as a MID. | 10:48 |
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| Kegetys | yeah it sucks a bit, though I wouldnt exoect the experience to be that comparable to a "proper" computer anyway, but it could be a lot faster and more usable I think | 10:50 |
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| timely | andre____: gah, i so want to ban plenware | 11:01 |
| andre____ | me too. | 11:02 |
| andre____ | or an auto RTFM answer when posting anything | 11:02 |
| timely | thanks for the imports | 11:03 |
| timely | i'll go whack people in a few mins | 11:03 |
| * timely is actually kinda sick and might: use bathroom, walk to work, schedule doctor's visit, visit backup people, go home | 11:03 | |
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| andre____ | :-/ | 11:03 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:12 |
| rmrfchik | re | 11:12 |
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| Khertan | hi ... again ... | 11:16 |
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| Italodance | Development | 11:22 |
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| Italodance | of Deb | 11:22 |
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| XTL | ... | 11:25 |
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| bef0rd | hello :| | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | hey bef0rd | 11:28 |
| bef0rd | how is it going qwerty12 | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | All great here, thanks, how about you? | 11:28 |
| bef0rd | cool, figuring out how to use regular expressions on c# | 11:30 |
| timeless | andre: ping | 11:30 |
| andre____ | timeless, pong | 11:33 |
| moontiger | ok so i cant figure out the path to use for gconf on the n810 ... anybody got any clues? :) | 11:34 |
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| qwerty12 | moontiger: Path? You can use gconftool if you wish, the raw gconf files are in /var/lib/gconf | 11:35 |
| bef0rd | I think he means the path to store values for his app | 11:37 |
| bef0rd | there should be a guide somewhere on gnome doc | 11:37 |
| moontiger | bedford: yes but i cant find any docs :( | 11:37 |
| XTL | http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ | 11:40 |
| XTL | It's not hugely documented, but what I've read seems pretty clear. | 11:40 |
| XTL | (I don't really know what the problem is either) | 11:40 |
| moontiger | well the path '/apps/<appname>/<keyname>' works on my desktop but not on my n810 | 11:41 |
| spcui | what's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled? | 11:44 |
| liri | what does the GPE suite sync with? | 11:44 |
| aquatix | it's evolution dataserver, so it can sync with the same things evolution can i guess | 11:45 |
| thux | is there any command in os2008 which makes led flash? that i could ssh to tablet and say something to make it flash its led? | 11:46 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: ping | 11:46 |
| liri | aquatix: ahh, do you use it? | 11:46 |
| liri | aquatix: it would've been wonderful if it could have synced with google services | 11:47 |
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| aquatix | liri: i don't use it myself | 11:47 |
| aquatix | mcalender syncs with google calender btw | 11:47 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:47 |
| aquatix | GPE *can* sync with google through 3rd party (syncml) services | 11:48 |
| Khertan | mcalendar :) | 11:48 |
| aquatix | sorry | 11:48 |
| * aquatix has to wake up yet ;) | 11:48 | |
| moontiger | khertan: :) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | the best calendar application for maemo :) | 11:48 |
| XTL | :) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | moontiger > i ve tryed the widget setting ... | 11:48 |
| aquatix | well, it would be better if it could sync with my phone ;) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | thx ... it works great | 11:48 |
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| liri | does mtask and mcontacts sync with google too :) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | mtask don't sync with google | 11:48 |
| moontiger | khertan: np glad i could help a little :) | 11:49 |
| aquatix | there's no todo thingee in google i think | 11:49 |
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| Khertan | but mcontacts do it :) (not very well yet ...) | 11:49 |
| liri | aquatix: ofcourse there is | 11:49 |
| Khertan | liri > there is one ? | 11:49 |
| aquatix | oh | 11:49 |
| aquatix | well | 11:49 |
| Khertan | where to ? | 11:49 |
| aquatix | i don't want to trust google with all my data anyway :) | 11:49 |
| Khertan | i ll love to make mtask sync with it :) | 11:49 |
| liri | Khertan: ofcourse, there's Google Notes, I use it daily and I urge you to sync it with google services :) | 11:49 |
| Khertan | google notes isn't tasks | 11:50 |
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| liri | google notebook to be precise | 11:50 |
| liri | Khertan: so mtask is a standalone application? | 11:50 |
| Khertan | liri > yep | 11:51 |
| Khertan | liri > and it s not a good application | 11:51 |
| Khertan | i ll rewrite it from scratch in a few weeks | 11:51 |
| liri | Khertan: well these on the go tools with online services sync are a must for me, I'd love to see you improve it | 11:51 |
| Khertan | hum ... can't enter end datetime for google notes book | 11:51 |
| liri | Khertan: and adding a google notebook app too would be great | 11:52 |
| liri | Khertan: :) | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, pong. | 11:52 |
| spcui | what's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled? | 11:52 |
| spcui | who can help me? | 11:52 |
| Khertan | liri > yep ... i ll surelly do it after mContacts will be finished :) | 11:52 |
| liri | Khertan: I'm waiting | 11:53 |
| XTL | spcui: it's a funky kernel feature. What about it? | 11:53 |
| Khertan | someone know how omweather set bg color on his windows ? when i do it ... mine is still blank | 11:53 |
| Khertan | ? | 11:53 |
| spcui | my scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system | 11:54 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: about the website typo and grammar bugs. I was wondering if you would be interested in fixing those. I gould give you webeditors access on maemo.org. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have any issue fixing those myself (I've got more on the list, too, that I just haven't filed bugs for). Anything I need to look out for when editing, though? | 11:55 |
| moontiger | khertan: doesnt look like there is a python client lib for google notes yet | 11:56 |
| _marcell_ | don't change much in the content :) | 11:56 |
| spcui | Khertan: my scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming there are some Nokia-only sections that are off-limits? | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the interface, just midgard wiki-style? | 11:57 |
| _marcell_ | yes, pretty similar | 11:57 |
| _marcell_ | I am not saying that any specific page is off limits, because fixing typos is ok anywhere. | 11:58 |
| _marcell_ | you know, when in doubt, just ask. | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't screw with the content. | 11:58 |
| Khertan | moontiger > http://code.google.com/apis/notebook/ | 11:58 |
| Khertan | there is :) | 11:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, I can handle that. | 11:58 |
| moontiger | khertan: i just looked and didnt find a python one there! :/ | 11:59 |
| _marcell_ | the official nokia documentation is the reference guide nowadays anyway, so everything else should be ok to edit | 11:59 |
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| moontiger | or is it the same gdata libs as calendar? | 12:00 |
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| Khertan | yep | 12:00 |
| moontiger | doh!! | 12:00 |
| moontiger | then it should be easy enough | 12:00 |
| moontiger | :) | 12:00 |
| Khertan | the same just import change a bit | 12:00 |
| Khertan | moontiger > the sync isn't the hardest part ... the ui is :) | 12:01 |
| moontiger | im almost done with my gcal thingy so i can look at it after maybe :) | 12:01 |
| Khertan | hehe | 12:01 |
| spcui | Khertan: I just want to know that what the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled is | 12:01 |
| moontiger | i just have to get that nice transparent stuff going on and make a few changes and its ready to package and go | 12:02 |
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| moontiger | spcui: what system are you running on? | 12:02 |
| Khertan | spcui > don't know | 12:02 |
| spcui | thank you anyway | 12:03 |
| spcui | moontiger: my system is running now | 12:03 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: you are now in webeditors, try to edit a page under development/ for example, and let's see if it works. | 12:03 |
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| moontiger | khertan: i'll be happy to help out with anything ... i like doing ui's :) | 12:04 |
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| spcui | moontiger: i execute the command that 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled', then i can login the scratchbox | 12:04 |
| moontiger | spcui ... you need to alter the config of your system to disable vdso for sbox to run properly | 12:05 |
| moontiger | there is a simple way to do that | 12:05 |
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| moontiger | add: "vm.vdso_enabled = 0" to "/etc/sysctl.conf" and it will go away ;) | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, just changed development/sdk/ | 12:07 |
| spcui | thanks | 12:07 |
| moontiger | if you get a warning about "vm.mmap_min_addr" you can fix that too | 12:07 |
| spcui | moontiger: thank you very much | 12:07 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks. | 12:07 |
| moontiger | np :) | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll pick up those bugs. | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, _marcell_. | 12:08 |
| spcui | moontiger: what's the vm.vdso_enabled? | 12:09 |
| Khertan | someone know how to modify the background color of a gtk treeview ... where there is no row ? | 12:09 |
| Khertan | i get bg color for each row ... but not when there isn't | 12:10 |
| moontiger | spcui: its to do with virtual dynamic shared objects ... i *think* they are a hang over from a ways back in history so to speak but i wouldnt say for sure | 12:10 |
| spcui | oh...thanks | 12:10 |
| moontiger | khertan: if there is no row maybe there isnt an item to have any properties no? | 12:10 |
| Khertan | moontiger > yep ... but the color is set for the treeview | 12:11 |
| Khertan | so the background should be the one of the treevie | 12:11 |
| Khertan | w | 12:11 |
| Khertan | not blank ... right ? | 12:11 |
| moontiger | khertan: but if there is no content maybe the color isnt applied? | 12:11 |
| Khertan | moontiger > yep ... this is the problem :) | 12:11 |
| Addison | I'm sorry, but why do you call yourself the General if you never made it two steps out of your basement? Doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. :) | 12:12 |
| XTL | So he doesn't appear Special? | 12:12 |
| moontiger | khertan: kinda like trying to set properties ona n html <tr> element | 12:12 |
| Addison | Why not BasementdwellerAntilles? Seems more appropriate. | 12:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... it s seems that omweather don't set color bg in treeview ... | 12:13 |
| jaska | troll spawn? | 12:13 |
| Addison | Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I think I'm being a little moody on my side. :( | 12:13 |
| moontiger | ok well i have to go get some sleep ... its late here ... nn all :) | 12:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles rolleyes. | 12:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Here in Florida, we don't have basements. | 12:14 |
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| spcui | moontiger: thank you for your help....see you tomorrow | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Addison, that computer seems to be doing bad things to your emotional state. Perhaps you should go upstairs and go to bed. :) | 12:15 |
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| bef0rd | hmm my computer keeps typing stuff | 12:17 |
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| bef0rd | it types 'qweruiop879+' | 12:18 |
| bef0rd | then lowers the volume :\ | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | it's not me! | 12:18 |
| XTL | Yeah, sorry about that. | 12:18 |
| aquatix | wrong terminal | 12:19 |
| bef0rd | if I were using windows I would have thought about being backdored :P meh, gonna try getting another kb | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have all the Maemo bloggers died or is Planet just not updating anymore? | 12:20 |
| Khertan | ... | 12:20 |
| * qwerty12 evil plan worked. They ALL had my poison. muhahahaha | 12:20 | |
| * florian does not have free time for blogging | 12:20 | |
| * Khertan still trying to remove hildon windows blank border ... | 12:20 | |
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| florian | Anyone here who tried atd on Maemo? | 12:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, kill it in a fire! | 12:21 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > method not found | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk about the dumbest waste of screen real estate ever. . . . | 12:21 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > yep ... gtk.window is more efficient for maemo than hildon ... | 12:22 |
| Khertan | omweather's guys found how to remove it ... | 12:22 |
| Khertan | they force fullscreen for their window | 12:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed | 12:24 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > ? | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, no, not surprised | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing Maemo-related surprises me anymore | 12:24 |
| Khertan | the fullscreen windows ? | 12:24 |
| Khertan | or the with space | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting to note that that retarded border hasn't been fixed in 3 years. :P | 12:24 |
| Addison | Good job GA, I really should go upstairs now and work on my emotional state. Thank you so much for your direction! It's so great to get advice from a social leper such as yourself! :) | 12:24 |
| Khertan | that retarded border ? | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk about unprovoked trolling. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whitespace border | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Addison, get back to me when you feel like making useful contributions beyond whining and random trolling. | 12:26 |
| Khertan | llol | 12:26 |
| Addison | Hey, I'm just upset today and you were the first person I could jump on. Sorry, I needed to lash out on someone and you always seem to be the perfect target for those who don't know you. | 12:27 |
| bef0rd | internet, serious business | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Addison, buy a stress doll instead. I'm not in the mood. | 12:27 |
| XTL | run Eliza | 12:28 |
| Addison | You're never in the mood, but yeah, I'll buy one. :) | 12:28 |
| aquatix | and don't forget to buy a new keyboard afterward | 12:28 |
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| Khertan | lol setting frame or set_decorated(False) do nothing on a hildon window | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: kill it for disobedience | 12:33 |
| Khertan | set_border_width do nothing too | 12:34 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > hildon.Window.killit("Brutally") method not found ... | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:35 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles> there is no bug in bugs.maemo.org for hildon.Window border | 12:38 |
| RST38h | It's not alive, destroy it, not kill | 12:40 |
| aquatix | can't kill the undead | 12:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I swear there is | 12:57 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > #3605 | 12:57 |
| Khertan | hum ... doesn't found it with search | 12:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It may be hidden in one of Sean Luke's useless bugs, though. . . . | 12:57 |
| Khertan | so i ve just created #3605 | 12:57 |
| Khertan | but if you found it i ll mark as duplicate ... | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I can't dig it up | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't feel like wadding through Sean's bugs to find it | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, that summary is basically useless. :P | 13:04 |
| Khertan | really ? | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to be able to know what the bug's about by looking at the summary. | 13:05 |
| Khertan | k ... | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now I get "something related to Hildon windows and borders" | 13:05 |
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| Khertan | Hildon Window Border Can't be Set | 13:05 |
| Khertan | is it better ? | 13:05 |
| Khertan | sorry ... i don't report bugs frequently ... :) | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, um, are we making an enhancement request to have it configurable or filing a bug against it for wasting screen real estate unnecessarily? | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, no worries, just doing my part to help get it fixed ASAP. ;) | 13:06 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > i think it s better to have configurable and keep it this way for existing app | 13:06 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > yep, i don't blame you for that ... i just want to do the thing better ... and thx for helping me | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Allow Hildon window border size to be set" | 13:07 |
| Khertan | yep :) | 13:07 |
| Khertan | great summary :) | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd be inclined to file a bug to have the default changed to 0px | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | since that border pisses me off. | 13:08 |
| Khertan | hehe | 13:09 |
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| Khertan | yep fill one ... an we will see which decision is made at nokia | 13:09 |
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| XTL | So there's going to be a new bug for that? | 13:10 |
| Khertan | but having default to zero isn't incompatible with having setting working :) | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | My bet is that they wont respond to it until they ship a Qt-default OS sometime in 2012. ;) | 13:10 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > burk ... qt ... beurkk ! | 13:10 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 13:10 |
| Khertan | i hope they will not change gtk for qt too fast ... | 13:11 |
| aquatix | indeed | 13:11 |
| Khertan | as i don't like the qt api ... | 13:11 |
| * aquatix likes gtk better | 13:11 | |
| * florian too | 13:11 | |
| Khertan | and my soft will stay in gtk ... | 13:11 |
| Khertan | so this will break a bit the overall gui guidelines | 13:12 |
| aquatix | that border is a waste of space indeed | 13:12 |
| aquatix | could be at least thinner | 13:12 |
| * Khertan still haven't undestand why nokia bought trolltech | 13:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Or gone | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see what purpose it serves. | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than to get in the way | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could somebody hack the theme engine to remove it or something? | 13:13 |
| aquatix | Khertan: maybe to kill it and let maemo take over the world ;) | 13:13 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles ... hum you think it s in gtk rc ? | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I don't have a clue. | 13:13 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: hm, good point | 13:13 |
| Khertan | as gtk.Window don't have | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figure everything that could possibly be causing it is open source, though. | 13:13 |
| Khertan | i think it s hard coded in hildon.Window | 13:13 |
| Khertan | so hildon-libs | 13:14 |
| Khertan | but we can look :) | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patch 'em up and ship a community hack? | 13:14 |
| Khertan | as we can view the source | 13:14 |
| Khertan | (just need to find where) | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might make Nokia a little more inclined towards fixing it if there were a patch to go with the bug, too. . . . | 13:14 |
| Khertan | yep | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I guess Hildon is slightly more of an "upstream" issue these days. | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Any examples of windows with this border problem? :) | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, all of them. | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | Fair enough. | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 13:15 |
| * qwerty12 vncs in | 13:15 | |
| qwerty12 | :) | 13:15 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > #3605 ... look at the small pygtk code | 13:15 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > do u know where is the last source for hildon-libs ? | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, hit up itT's frontpage with MicroB and notice the giant white bar between the taskbar/statusbar and the webpage. ;) | 13:16 |
| aquatix | Khertan: you reverted back to that weird irc client btw? :) | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | Will do , thanks | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is mxr up or down at this point? | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildon/ | 13:16 |
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| Khertan | thx | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | debian naming guidelines. lib goes first :) | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | as I found out with libbluetooth2 vs bluez-libs. peed me for a while :/ | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | peed me off rather :P | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nicely browsable: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildon-2.0.4/ | 13:18 |
| * qwerty12 recompiles x11vnc from trunk and basic optimisations. speed of this is killing me :( | 13:18 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildon-2.0.4/src/hildon-window.c#494 | 13:20 |
| Khertan | yep ... | 13:23 |
| Khertan | i see that :) | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: I can't run your test app | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | http://pastebin.com/d2250d27a | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214837&postcount=10 <- it's like a verbatim copy of my post | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | spam attempt or? | 13:25 |
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| Khertan | Too many hits, displaying the first 1000 | 13:28 |
| Khertan | hihi | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, same thing here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194527#post194527 | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Report him as a spammer. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i just did | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | after viewing his posting record | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | He's a spammer. All his posts are repeats. He has that college shit as his homepage in profile and on his sig. | 13:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles hopes there's a special place in hell reserved for spammers. | 13:30 | |
| * qwerty12 thinks the border may be set by the theme | 13:32 | |
| Khertan | i confirm ... it s in the theme | 13:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Have I mentioned how awesome HD looks streamed to the 360 yet? :P | 13:32 |
| Khertan | i ll try to change it ... | 13:32 |
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| MangoFusion | hey there | 13:35 |
| Khertan | hehe !!! | 13:35 |
| MangoFusion | anyone ever had an | 13:35 |
| Khertan | it s just a theming option ... | 13:35 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > found ! | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That easy, eh? | 13:36 |
| Khertan | 12,12,0,24 | 13:36 |
| Khertan | yep ... | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to patch the default themes and ship a .deb? | 13:36 |
| Khertan | just use vi on your theme | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: Haha, nice, thanks Khertan. In the gtkrc? | 13:36 |
| Khertan | yep in the gtkrc | 13:36 |
| * qwerty12 changes over ssh :) | 13:36 | |
| qwerty12 | and reapplies $MBTHEME | 13:36 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > you can ssh on your nit :) | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: flasher --flash-only=initfs from a fiasco image was enough to resurrect btw :P | 13:37 |
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| Khertan | look for style 'osso-window-background' | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: My NIT is upstairs, me and my computer is downstairs :) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | since i had my initfs installer handy on rootfs | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Great :D | 13:37 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > it must be made for each theme | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | It's not hard to repack the themes but I can't be arsed to update the md5sums :p | 13:37 |
| MangoFusion | anyone ever had an issue in the browser where the vertical scroll doesn't seem to move when dragged? | 13:37 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > i ll just made a new theme based on the current ... 'EchoNoBorder' ... :) | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe great :) | 13:38 |
| * qwerty12 is a felicia fan :) | 13:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 0,0,0,0 will suffice? | 13:38 |
| Khertan | so ... i ll make a feliciaforqwerty12 | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: I've already done it :) | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | + I'm mastered in the art of repacking deb files :D | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have to regenerate the theme cache or something, right? | 13:40 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > yep ... the easy way is to change theme :) | 13:40 |
| Khertan | and come back to the good one :) | 13:40 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ve still a border in the top ... | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really want to like Felicia | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's got those retarded boxy shapes for no reason. . . . | 13:41 |
| Khertan | and it s not really good to set 0,0,0,0 | 13:41 |
| Khertan | look at xterm :) | 13:41 |
| Khertan | i think 1px border will be better | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | Still got a border at the top in MicroB but the rest is gone :) | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/1231.png | 13:41 |
| Khertan | i got a border a the top too | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, wonder what's with the top. . . . | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, that's SOO much better though. | 13:42 |
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| Khertan | toolbar border :) | 13:42 |
| Khertan | i think | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about adding about 5px to scrollbar width? | 13:43 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > force thumb style will be better :) | 13:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thumb is too big for my tastes. | 13:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:45 |
| Khertan | maybe i should made a theme tunner ... | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be very sweet. | 13:45 |
| Khertan | instead of making many theme with different setting | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:45 |
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| Khertan | morning jaffa | 13:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, turn it into a replacement control panel for Nokia's Theme selector? :D | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: I started on one but never finished it | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: that was my plan :) | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | Hi Jaffa | 13:46 |
| Khertan | lol Jaffa ... in python ? | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | Have it create a new theme under the covers which copies the selected theme and doing it on top | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: I think so; started off command line based so could focus on functionality rather than GUI to start with. | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | I'll see if I can dig it out for you. | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | There is also this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/puchi/ | 13:47 |
| Khertan | humm ... the top border isn't made by the tool bar | 13:47 |
| Khertan | maybe the menu | 13:47 |
| Khertan | this is just a color variation ... | 13:47 |
| Khertan | and i m just setting the hildon windows stupid border : | 13:48 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:48 |
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| qwerty12 | True, but it's an example none the less :) | 13:48 |
| Khertan | yep | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Added 8px to the default scrollbar width | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Theme's messed up now, but it works. | 13:50 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:50 |
| Khertan | what is the gtk-animation ? | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arrows are centered, but not wide enough | 13:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | the scroll position marker is left-oriented but repeated partially on the right | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | is diablo initfs mounted rw or ro? | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | mounted oo | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | *ro | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can scroll the scrollbar with my thumb in fullscreen mode without having to stick my fingernail in the gutter, though. | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The thumb scrollbars are ludicrously big and the default scrollbars are stupidly small | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno why they didn't just make them reasonably sized. | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, what other fun gtkrc hacks have we got? | 13:53 |
| Khertan | brb ... i ll go eating | 13:53 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't really mess around with gtkrc. Last time I looked, it was for YoDude to get rid of the Home text label on the desktop. | 13:54 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Might add a 1-3px border on the left so the theme doesn't look so funky, at least. | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | lardman, saw this and thought of you :D http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/ | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | WOOT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214845&postcount=49 | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | one reason for me not to upgrade to diablo gone | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:01 |
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| lardman | lcuk: lol, thanks | 14:04 |
| lardman | 16 pages is nearly 12 isn't it? | 14:05 |
| lardman | 33.3% can be rounded down to 0% I think | 14:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, Dummy connections show up again. Even better then before I must add :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | hm. am i just an idiot or is it not possible to make a x-term pop up that runs a certain command? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry for all the stupid questions, i promise i'll make some cool stuff in return ;) | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | osso-xterm -e | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | faboulous | 14:08 |
| lbt | bear in mind it vanishes when the command finishes - you may need a ...;echo "hit return";read dummy | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: good enough for me really - it was for my refresh-bootmenu script | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | doing some alterations based on fanoush's ideas | 14:11 |
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| lbt | did he say bootmenu is moving to garage | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | no idea | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | He keeps bootmenu.sh in svn already | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, wait, they pushed that without an SSU update?! | 14:13 |
| lbt | Oh, ok - ta | 14:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles holds a little more hope for the future. | 14:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mildly interesting reading: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/FUTURE?revision=1292&root=hildon-app-mgr&view=markup | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | I guess it isn't a critical part. anything that needs dummy can just set it as a dependency. | 14:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Nokia should move to UBIFS. FFS, they helped design it. | 14:14 |
| lbt | oh, also Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3589 - may be worth looking at Fremantle booting sooner rather than later... | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: heh, i'm a bit disappointed that's a WONTFIX :) | 14:16 |
| lbt | as expected - but given initfs/etc/initfs.config, we have a chunky hook | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fremantle holds much newness. | 14:17 |
| lbt | and it gives us an in on Fremantle booting | 14:17 |
| lbt | where do we find out about it GeneralAntilles? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | is it simple to setup scratchbox? is it more complex than dd'ing the contents of my vmware onto my laptop? | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I put most of the relevant stuff in the wikipedia entry. | 14:17 |
| lbt | the fishy thing (?) was deprecated | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest you'll just have to gather from the hint dropping in the lists, bugzilla, and here. | 14:17 |
| lbt | oh, so no public cooperation with maemo.org? | 14:18 |
| lbt | hmm, we need a council... | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, how do you mean? | 14:18 |
| lcuk | i vote we vote for a council | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're a bit early for the public stuff yet. | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it isn't so much a problem with fremantle - there'd just be a new bootmenu initfs version | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alpha and beta releases will be coming once we get closer to release | 14:19 |
| lbt | Oh, right, 'cos I'm not interested in improving the boot process :) | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | there are some details on the wiki. | 14:19 |
| lbt | and when it gets released it'll be "WONTFIX" | 14:19 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, wait for the Summit. | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's where the start of the big stuff will be. | 14:20 |
| lbt | sure - just saying | 14:20 |
| lbt | The way how the system is booted | 14:20 |
| lbt | is going to change in Fremantle and that would require separate bug, | 14:20 |
| lbt | is the text from the bug | 14:20 |
| lbt | I think the 'Sardine/sid' idea was good | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good they're making a boot change.. the current way is just obscure | 14:20 |
| lbt | then we insane few could pull from it and see if it suits us | 14:20 |
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| lbt | I'd rather submit design bugs to 'testing' than 'stable' | 14:21 |
| lbt | (or even earlier) | 14:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, yeah, problem is, Sardine just languishes. | 14:23 |
| lbt | I understand - it's mainly a Nokia dev process issue | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, like I said, alphas and betas will be coming for Fremantle. | 14:24 |
| lbt | OK | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, you may want to consider expounding on the issue a bit in the 2010 agenda. | 14:24 |
| lbt | I'm just not cool with surprises in OpenSource - it doesn't fit :) | 14:24 |
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| lbt | OK | 14:25 |
| Khertan | i m back | 14:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602#c2 | 14:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, good progress on the logo issue, then, I guess? | 14:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3606 | 14:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, could you get away with adding a link to https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ ? | 14:43 |
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| Mace_ | blah | 14:54 |
| Mace_ | every site i try to get gftp from doesn't work | 14:55 |
| Mace_ | wtf :-\ i want a gui for sftp | 14:55 |
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| jott | Mace_: just use mc :) | 15:01 |
| rmrfchik | mc? duh | 15:02 |
| rmrfchik | ahh, this is #maemo, mc is allowed ;) | 15:02 |
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| jott | where is it forbidden? #windows ? :P | 15:03 |
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| rmrfchik | for me in #debian | 15:05 |
| jott | haha why? | 15:05 |
| Mace_ | jott - mc for sftp? | 15:05 |
| jott | Mace_: sure, why not? | 15:05 |
| Mace_ | does mc do that? | 15:05 |
| rmrfchik | i'm not talking about #debian at whole, i'm talking for myself. | 15:05 |
| Mace_ | heh | 15:05 |
| rmrfchik | mc is bad for desktop | 15:05 |
| Mace_ | i honestly never used it | 15:06 |
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| rmrfchik | use vim for sftp ;) | 15:06 |
| Mace_ | haha | 15:06 |
| jott | rmrfchik: i thought nautilus was bad for desktop :P | 15:06 |
| rmrfchik | and nautilus too | 15:06 |
| Mace_ | i'm just trying to build gftp in scratchbox | 15:06 |
| Mace_ | figure all i need is the bin | 15:07 |
| jott | rmrfchik: and bash and zsh are for loosers with all the autocompletion stuff? :) | 15:07 |
| rmrfchik | heh. zsh is the best | 15:08 |
| rmrfchik | bash is for loosers. | 15:08 |
| jott | haha | 15:08 |
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| * jott spider troll sensors get activated :P | 15:09 | |
| jaska | trolldar | 15:09 |
| Mace_ | well. it runs | 15:09 |
| jaska | albeit im a zsh user :) | 15:09 |
| Mace_ | now just to figure out how exactly i make a pkg :) | 15:09 |
| Mace_ | i just downloaded the src and built it in scratchbox . runs in Xepher | 15:09 |
| Mace_ | er.. Xephyr | 15:10 |
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| Mace_ | hopefully all i need arehe ins | 15:11 |
| Mace_ | bins | 15:11 |
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| lbt | Mace_: there is a maemopad skeleton application which I used as a template to do packaging | 15:17 |
| Mace_ | hm | 15:18 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is lazy. dh_make. prefix section with user/ and dpkg_buildpackage | 15:18 | |
| Mace_ | i want to build stuff on the tablet itself | 15:18 |
| lbt | ah, another masochist... | 15:18 |
| Veggen | Mace: actually, no you don't ;) | 15:19 |
| lbt | ;) | 15:19 |
| lbt | Mace_: you don't run Gentoo do you ? | 15:19 |
| Veggen | but if you want that, I guess that your best bet is a debian-environment on an SD card, and a cross-compiling environment there. | 15:19 |
| Mace_ | i do... but.. i'm using a vm for this | 15:19 |
| Veggen | (hm, don't need cross-compiling then. duh) | 15:19 |
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| Mace_ | i wish they had a working gentoo for an n800 .. that would be great.. with its own portage tree :) | 15:20 |
| XTL | eugh | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | meh, should be possible. i mean, i made ubuntu boot | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| aquatix | Mace_: riiight | 15:21 |
| aquatix | Mace_: and compile it on the device? | 15:21 |
| Mace_ | aquatix - sure ;) why not | 15:21 |
| Mace_ | 400MHz is good enough haha | 15:21 |
| aquatix | well, i have some reasons ;) | 15:21 |
| Mace_ | well.. depends on the pkgs.. i'm not expecting to try to build openoffice on it | 15:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't feel like having the charger in everytime to install a app | 15:22 | |
| Mace_ | but 400MHz and 128M of ram should be alright | 15:22 |
| Mace_ | qwerty12 - :) that's why you do it right before you're going to sleep | 15:22 |
| * aquatix just wants to install an app when installing an app | 15:23 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mace_: Wouldn't work for me :). I'm always installing apps at different times | 15:23 |
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| aquatix | not watch countless hours of compile messages scroll by :) | 15:23 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: yeah, same here | 15:23 |
| * XTL is reasonably content with the current idea | 15:23 | |
| XTL | Just add real changelogs and fully public main dist | 15:23 |
| Mace_ | aquatix - but it looks like you're doing something important when you're at work when it's building haha | 15:23 |
| XTL | http://xkcd.com/303/ | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it would be nice if dpkg didn't have a bitch fit when installing files to a fat memory card | 15:24 |
| aquatix | until the battery runs out right before it's done ;) | 15:24 |
| aquatix | XTL: heheh, yeah | 15:24 |
| aquatix | is it ok to reformat the complete internal flash of an n810 to ext2? | 15:24 |
| Mace_ | aquatix - but sometimes you might have just your n800 and want to build a small app | 15:24 |
| Mace_ | smaller apps shouldnt take too long | 15:25 |
| aquatix | true | 15:25 |
| aquatix | it's not like debian doesn't have a compiler ;) | 15:25 |
| aquatix | gentoo people seem to think so now and then :) | 15:25 |
| lcuk | mace_you can build anything, but you cannot run "comfigure" to prepare everything (its got deps to debiantools which would blow your machine away) | 15:25 |
| lcuk | i compile every day directly on my 810 | 15:25 |
| * qwerty12_N800 still can't see why | 15:26 | |
| Mace_ | i see | 15:26 |
| aquatix | anyways, mario kart time ;) | 15:26 |
| Mace_ | wii? | 15:26 |
| * aquatix can't seem to be bothered studying | 15:26 | |
| aquatix | Mace_: yeah | 15:26 |
| Mace_ | any good? | 15:26 |
| aquatix | it's awesome | 15:26 |
| lcuk | mario kart on the n810 :D | 15:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that reminds me, i can now setup sbrsh after fixing ssh :) | 15:26 |
| aquatix | lcuk: lol, is possible :) | 15:26 |
| Mace_ | thought the best one was n64 ver | 15:26 |
| Mace_ | haven't played the wii one though | 15:26 |
| lcuk | +pvr and i will agree | 15:26 |
| aquatix | Mace_: on the wii it's a whole new experience | 15:26 |
| * aquatix is addicted | 15:27 | |
| aquatix | and i don't play much games | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | haha.. i'll see if i can buy it today | 15:27 |
| jott | lcuk: just get the optimized snes emu running :) | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | i don't either.. i got the wii for mario galaxy and zelda | 15:27 |
| aquatix | Mace_: i'd try it indeed :) | 15:27 |
| aquatix | hope you can find it though | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | those were the only 2 games i really played on nintendo systems | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | i know | 15:27 |
| aquatix | anyways, have fun | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | it's hard to find | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | ok.. later | 15:27 |
| RST38h | boo | 15:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 thinks about a wii. and a chip ;) | 15:27 | |
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| lcuk | hmmm jott, good point | 15:27 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: myeah, thought about a chip too | 15:27 |
| RST38h | is wii even being sold? | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | qwerty12_N800 - i'd mod it but ... | 15:27 |
| Mace_ | it's hard to get a replacement if you mess it up | 15:27 |
| RST38h | None of the stores in US I visited had it | 15:28 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: but with zelda you can install some homebrew channel | 15:28 |
| Mace_ | they are still always sold out | 15:28 |
| * lcuk thinks about a wii as well, i had loads to drink this mornin | 15:28 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 15:28 |
| aquatix | RST38h: best-selling console | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: cool :). i like softmods :) | 15:28 |
| aquatix | lcuk: hm, reminds me of lunch... | 15:28 |
| * qwerty12_N800 spent 4 hours on my xbox :D | 15:28 | |
| Mace_ | i still haven't finished galaxy | 15:28 |
| lcuk | you drank apple juice at dinner time? | 15:28 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: yup, and you don't have to bother about OS upgrades | 15:28 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: I will add the link to tablets-dev | 15:28 |
| Mace_ | and i've hardly gotten into zelda | 15:28 |
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| aquatix | Mace_: i borrowed it from a friend, mainly to install that channel ;) | 15:29 |
| Mace_ | i want to get house of the dead... i liked it in the arcade | 15:29 |
| aquatix | still have to do so though | 15:29 |
| Mace_ | zelda? | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix: great. updating m33 on my psp is pisstaking :) | 15:29 |
| Mace_ | i didn't even know it had a channel.. haha.. like i said tho. i only played it for like 20 mins | 15:29 |
| Mace_ | played galaxy quite a bit though | 15:29 |
| aquatix | Mace_: with some bug in zelda and a custom safegame, you can install a homebrew channel | 15:29 |
| XTL | /part #nintendo | 15:30 |
| aquatix | didn't play galaxy too much | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | bbl | 15:30 |
| aquatix | XTL: sorry | 15:30 |
| * aquatix stumbles downstairs | 15:30 | |
| Mace_ | XTL - heh | 15:30 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hates browsing garage. project cloud is bs | 15:31 | |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, around? | 15:31 |
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| Mace_ | hm | 15:35 |
| Mace_ | what pkg for the n800 would install tools to compile directly on the device? | 15:35 |
| AStorm | Mace_: binutils and gc | 15:42 |
| AStorm | *gcc | 15:42 |
| AStorm | probably bash and autoconf/automake/libtool too | 15:42 |
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| andrewfblack | Hey Qwerty you still around? | 16:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | andrewfblack: sure, but expect slow typing from a n800 :) | 16:23 |
| timely | fwiw... we're going to try to fix the start page bug | 16:23 |
| andrewfblack | qwerty12_N800: lol I can get with you later then if needed I was going to ask you about that icon thing. | 16:24 |
| timely | i'm still not quite sure why... but marketing wants to ... | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | andrewfblack: I would prefer that :). My tools here are restricted and my battery is dying :/ | 16:25 |
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| andrewfblack | lol what no external battery man? | 16:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no :D. my charger is broken. i steal my brothers from time to time :/ | 16:26 |
| andrewfblack | get you one of these they are cheap and add hours of time http://webapps.easy2.com/cm2/flash/generic_index.asp?page_id=35783461 | 16:27 |
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| andrewfblack | uses battery from Black and Decker VPX power drill | 16:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 16:30 |
| andrewfblack | one day I will do a real good test and see how long it will extend the battery life | 16:31 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, sorta | 16:55 |
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| timely | how's life? | 16:56 |
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| GAN800 | Getting ready for a hurricane. ;) | 16:57 |
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| lardman | Hmm, I've now got a very small font for the message which says the screen & keyboard are locked, is this a known effect? | 16:59 |
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| GAN800 | lardman, what have you been messing with? | 17:00 |
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| lardman | I just installed openlierox (spelling - worms clone), liqbase demo and some graphical du display | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: got zap's repo added and his bytecode freetype installed? | 17:02 |
| zap | ? | 17:02 |
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| lardman | not intentionally | 17:03 |
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| zap | even if you did, I don't have this | 17:03 |
| Ford_Prefect | Hello all. | 17:03 |
| zap | so I doubt its my freetype | 17:03 |
| lardman | it's only that message too, everything else I;ve seen looks normal | 17:03 |
| zap | interesting | 17:04 |
| Ford_Prefect | Does anyone use valgrind for memory debugging/profiling on the Maemo? (is it even possible?) | 17:04 |
| zap | Ford_Prefect: valgrind is x86 only | 17:04 |
| zap | so you can use it in scratchbox/x86 | 17:04 |
| Ford_Prefect | Ah, okay. So how is memory leak detection etc. typically done? | 17:04 |
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| lardman | Ford_Prefect: compile for x86 scratchbox target | 17:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | Ah, I see. | 17:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | Thanks for the info, zap and lardman | 17:06 |
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| zap | most progs can be developed/debugged on normal linux | 17:06 |
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| zap | and then a little effort to adapt to Maemo | 17:06 |
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| Khertan | lardman > new theme ? as this title size is in the gtkrc theme file | 17:16 |
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| lardman | Khertan: I saw mention in omweather about whether it could override the theme, perhaps that's it? | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Perfect hurricane track. "It's going to hit somewhere on the gulf coast. | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | " | 17:39 |
| Khertan | lardman > omweather overrides nothing in fact, it s just a prefs to active/desactive the set_background methods :) | 17:41 |
| Khertan | as by default just created gtk widget have the default theme background color | 17:42 |
| Khertan | but you can set it to something else if you want. | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > at least they know there will be an hurricane ... | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | it s already something important :) | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, hey, better than 100 years ago! :D | 17:43 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, might the logo update be an opportunity to fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 ? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214900&postcount=13 <- if anyone is bored to test a Bootmenu installer | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | just tested it installing from www in microb/app manager | 17:45 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, just got back from work :D | 17:53 |
| johnx | I'll give it a spin | 17:53 |
| johnx | should I flash back to a Nokia initfs first? | 17:53 |
| lbt | so, I click, get an xterm (which vanishes without me being able to read the message - think I mentioned that) ;) | 17:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants his Beagle to ship already. | 17:55 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that looks like a hot little board :D | 17:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm excited. | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 720p decoding | 17:56 |
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| * johnx needs to check if the beagleboard has pins exposed to interface directly to an LCD | 17:56 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: cp: cannot stat '/etc/bootmenu.d/*.item': No such file or directory | 17:57 |
| lbt | bbiab | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, #beagle | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was gonna look into that myself | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the dvi-d will suffice for now. | 17:57 |
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| johnx | eh...I don't need any other non-mobile computers. so DVI doesn't cut it for me | 17:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I might play with it as a STB | 18:00 |
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| johnx | heh...my TV is within cable range of my desktop. no reason to have a separate box :D | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a hacked Xbox to do it for now. | 18:03 |
| * qwerty12 wants to get a linux stb and get it to stream. If only dboxs were cheaper :/ | 18:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | My computer mostly IS my TV, though. | 18:03 |
| lbt | Myth - yeah!!! | 18:03 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: how much is a Beagleboard? | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | $150 | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | About as cheap as can be. ;) | 18:03 |
| lardman | yeah, not bad | 18:04 |
| * qwerty12 notes it's cheaper than my N800 :P | 18:04 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking about playing with it as a carputer, too. | 18:04 |
| lardman | less portable though qwerty12 ;) | 18:04 |
| lardman | or rather usefully portable | 18:04 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is gonna get Maemo running on it first thing. | 18:05 | |
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| qwerty12 | I'd like my N800 more if it didn't have that Epson POS in it :( | 18:06 |
| lardman | qwerty12: there's always the next one.... | 18:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Save enough pennies for a discounted N900. ;) | 18:06 |
| lardman | assuming they do a dev discount again, hope so | 18:06 |
| tank-man | what is this epson POS ? | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The LCD controller | 18:07 |
| tank-man | i see | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, depends if the hardware isn't as retarded in the 3 tablets they have now | 18:07 |
| lardman | Piece Of Sh*t I presume that stands for? :) | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, it can't be. | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: Yep :) | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: True | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3430 supports 1024x768 on the built-in | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | But nokia's decisions over the hardware so do not fill me with confidence | 18:08 |
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| qwerty12 | They even f*** up on the GPS in the N810. Granted, the same chip is used in the N95... | 18:08 |
| lardman | well thus far they;ve taken stuff from the parts bin | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | It shows | 18:08 |
| lardman | I imagein they will learn from these mistakes, they seem to be good that that | 18:08 |
| johnx | I wish they'd learn how to make a decent d-pad while they're at it... | 18:10 |
| johnx | back later | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12 | x11vnc configure script doesn't believe in optimisation switches :( | 18:15 |
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| Jaffa | Is p.m.o broken, or has no-one been posting for the last few days? | 18:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, what I was wondering yesterday | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm betting broken. | 18:20 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: more likely, TBH :-( | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: does it stall on that? | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, it still continues or not? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it just mentions there's no boot items :P | 18:55 |
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| lbt | it flashed up an xterm which vanished. Nothing else happened | 19:03 |
| lbt | I then ran as root | 19:03 |
| lbt | and the error appeared | 19:03 |
| lbt | it continued to run | 19:03 |
| lbt | and I aborted b4 flashing | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | okay - odd that it vanished | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | that's cos you need "sudo gainroot" | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | enabled | 19:04 |
| lbt | ok | 19:04 |
| lbt | I don't have any sudos etc - I always ssh in (either 127.0.0.1 or wifi) | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:04 |
| lbt | dependency :) | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | depend on rootsh or sudser :) | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | b4?! | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You sunk my battleship! | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootsh | 19:05 |
| lbt | yatzee!!! | 19:05 |
| Raytray | Bingo. | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | sudser doesn't include sudo gainroot | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12 | It should do, it has a blanket statement for all programs allowing sudo | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | No wait, you are right | 19:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: also, I suggest putting in "Would you like a shell to allow editing your initfs" | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | original gainroot checks with cal to see if rd mode is on | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, remember to plug your own stuff. :P | 19:06 |
| lbt | then if they say yes, echo "ctrl-D to exit" and run a sh | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: True :D | 19:06 |
| lbt | the user can cd to the initfs/ directory to manually hack | 19:06 |
| lbt | v. useful | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm - prolly - i just added linuxrc and bootmenu.d and a .debable bootmenu, that's what i'm satisfied with | 19:07 |
| lbt | I feel the need to double check what the script does - it's only polite... :D | 19:07 |
| lbt | http://slexy.org/view/s21Wn0exD5 | 19:08 |
| lbt | go on - you know you want to | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ctrl-z would do the trick too.. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | s/^D/Ctrl + D/ | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | somewhat | 19:08 |
| lbt | you see I also need: | 19:08 |
| lbt | http://slexy.org/view/s2CPS9smJk | 19:08 |
| lbt | 'cos I need to add devices for my multi-partition mmc card | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:09 |
| lbt | these are my patches for fanoush | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'll wait and see what fanoush says to this thing before i start an uneccesary fork :P | 19:09 |
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| lbt | yep - I've got to pull it from svn RSN | 19:10 |
| lbt | anyhow - got to go... | 19:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles looks over andrewfblack's itT wiki ports. | 19:12 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish I had told him to categorize them. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're gonna need some retasking | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, qwerty12, got 30 minutes? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: No, sorry :/. Besides, I don't know any wiki formatting :) | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_in_OS2008_Diablo http://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_on_OS2008_Chinook | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | :( | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to cull those two | 19:13 |
| profoX` | I can't seem to compile an application for ARMEL, I was able to compile it for X86 | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better yet, qwerty12, you need to make yer goddamn rotation-support package. :P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Step one could be changed to point to the Enabling Root access page perhaps? | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they're pretty poor overall. | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I may stick the middle finger up at software-version and just make a deb that overwrites specific files | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 's | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | unlocked installer wont work? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just going to delete the Chinook page. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | It's not really an issue with version numbers as I can get those to match the maemo ones easily but for example, how do I install a xomap-xserver deb when "rotation-support" is already installing :/ | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I have a feeling that libxrandr2 is shipped with the tablet but I have no idea how to confirm. | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | No wait, I have a diablo rootfs handy, a quick look in /var/lib/dpkg/info will tell me :) | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant, libxrandr2 is indeed shipped with diablo. Makes this a lot easier. | 19:19 |
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| * qwerty12 is lazy, I'll steal the makefile and debian folder I made for usbmodeswitch | 19:23 | |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Oh noez, your advanced backlight install file for diablo doesn't exist anymore: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/advanced-backlight.install | 19:28 |
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| * jott gives cmake another try... | 19:30 | |
| jott | damn you, evil builder! i will defeat you! | 19:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, never did. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or shouldn't have | 19:31 |
| * pahartik tried "Mediaplayer" on "Nokia 770" with "Maemo 2008 HE" and "ADTS AAC" or "MPEG-4 AAC" did not work | 19:31 | |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Oh, I must have been imagining things :) | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo isn't setup to generate .installs yet. | 19:32 |
| jott | i still vote for an osso-software-version-rxXX-community | 19:32 |
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| timeless | andre__/gan: um | 19:36 |
| timeless | what about "about product" in control panel? | 19:36 |
| timeless | and did you file a bug about about product? | 19:36 |
| timeless | i didn't mean in microb | 19:36 |
| timeless | i meant for diablo the whole image | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, when you say about product, do you mean the version number being <unknown>? | 19:37 |
| timeless | that thing :) | 19:37 |
| timeless | but more does it talk about maemo? | 19:37 |
| jott | "maemo Linux based OS2008" | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Internet Tablet OS:maemo Linux based OS2008" | 19:38 |
| jott | Version: 4.2008.30-2 | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gibberish, mostly. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you happen to know what effect dsmetool --root-mounted has? | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | The About screen in Symbian is a lot worse... | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stecchino: no idea, sorry | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | *Stskeeps sorry | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, that one falls under "to be fixed in the next major release", I think: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Transition | 19:41 |
| jott | mh the trademark page has gone :/ | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | What was the first version of advanced-backlight to include rotation support? | 19:42 |
| jott | "maemo trademark policy" | 19:42 |
| profoX` | what would be the right way to recompile a QMake based application for maemo/armel ? | 19:42 |
| jott | qwerty12: 0.10 | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | jott: thank you | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/history.html | 19:43 |
| jott | i think at least :) | 19:43 |
| jott | ga is responsible for PR :P | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, 0.10, thanks :D | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | PR, triaging, community support, graphics | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll leave the sweating over code to rm_you and jott. :P | 19:45 |
| * jott shakes the autobuilder | 19:47 | |
| jott | an live output would be nice :) | 19:47 |
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| jott | telnet builder1.maemo.org and see ascii nerd pron :P | 19:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Talking of ascii nerd pron | 19:49 |
| * qwerty12 telnets to the star wars stuff | 19:49 | |
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| crashanddie | repo down again ? | 19:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone have news of the nobounds project ? | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | it could be usefull for the summit | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s abit old | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Does the Bochum plant still exist? :> | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | It's their revenge :P | 19:57 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, it sounds promising indeed, but I'm afraid it was more vaporware than anything else | 19:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bochum plant ? | 20:00 |
| mikkov_ | bochum is closed or closing | 20:01 |
| mikkov_ | nobound was done in bochum | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, my brother's N73 is made in Germany, think it will go down as a piece of history? :P | 20:01 |
| * qwerty12 likes German and Finnish made products though. | 20:02 | |
| crashanddie | hm | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | I don't have network access in scratchbox anymore :( | 20:02 |
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| mikkov_ | apt doesn't work or somthing else? | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | wget/apt | 20:04 |
| jott | http://nokiapaloalto.com/research/teams/extended_home/jeppe.html hm :) | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | mikkov_ > arg this suck | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | wget www.google.com | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | Resolving www.google.com... failed: Host not found. | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | so noone will finish the nobounds project ? | 20:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans. | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, doesn't look like it | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's really no way to tell. | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a prototype demonstrate | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | something may come of it, something may not. | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia may not even know at this point. | 20:06 |
| crashanddie | It was TG2BT if you ask me | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is no more informations on how it works at this time ? | 20:06 |
| * qwerty12 was finding the work done by lardman interesting :( | 20:07 | |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, you probably have as much information as us | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie: gurk ! | 20:07 |
| mikkov_ | from the available information I would say that nobound is bullshit | 20:07 |
| crashanddie | mikkov_, indeed | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | bullshit ? it seems to rock ! | 20:08 |
| mikkov_ | read more carefully | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's clearly not a tablet-only proposition | 20:08 |
| crashanddie | like I said TG2BT: Too Good To Be True | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's connected to what amounts to a small-ish WIndows box. | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | oh ! it s a powervr mbx in iphone too | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only vaguely similar to ours. | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | vaguely ? | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s the same chip ... | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the silicon setup is very different | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | ok wtf, I need connectivity in scratchbox | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ... | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ours is integrated with the OMAP2420 | 20:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So it's not really a "chip" | 20:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep but it s integrated too in the iphone if i am not wrong | 20:11 |
| GAN800 | The iPhone has a Samsung chip of some kind | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | I haven't been paying enough attention to it to say exactly what its setup is. | 20:13 |
| glass | some samsung soc with some gfx acceleration supposedly | 20:13 |
| glass | much higher mhz | 20:13 |
| glass | 600+ | 20:14 |
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| GAN800 | Slightly newer ARM than we've got. | 20:14 |
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| GAN800 | I don't think Apple has clocked it up all the way yet, though. | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | I think it's still running in the 500s | 20:15 |
| johnx | I was remembering 400MHz for some reason... | 20:15 |
| glass | with it's batt lower could be nicer | 20:15 |
| rm_you | bbl | 20:15 |
| rm_you | just got my desk and bed :P | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | It shipped at 412 or 408 or similar | 20:15 |
| jott | mikkov_: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/cmake_2.6.1-1maemo3/armel.build.log.OK.txt \o| | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | draining battery ? :) | 20:15 |
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| jott | in your face autobuilder! | 20:15 |
| rm_you | johnx: I sleep on a MATRESS tonight! :P | 20:15 |
| rm_you | jott: sup :P | 20:15 |
| johnx | rm_you, lucky! | 20:15 |
| rm_you | jott: laters :P | 20:15 |
| johnx | rm_you, quit bragging :P | 20:15 |
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| rm_you | johnx: lol yeah, :P | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | rm_you is living large | 20:15 |
| rm_you | :P | 20:15 |
| lcuk | lardman|gone, when you get back perhaps you can tell me again what you mean | 20:15 |
| rm_you | was sleeping on soundproofing foam | 20:16 |
| rm_you | >_> | 20:16 |
| jott | rm_you: finally build cmake :) | 20:16 |
| dannym | jott: cool :) | 20:16 |
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| johnx | rm_you, ok, that's pretty sad | 20:16 |
| rm_you | bbl moving computer off of my ghettorigged desk :P | 20:16 |
| lcuk | at least with soundproofing foam you will have a quiet nights sleep | 20:16 |
| rm_you | jott: :P | 20:16 |
| rm_you | hehe | 20:16 |
| rm_you | yeah anyway, bbl | 20:16 |
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| MangoFusion | whats this | 20:19 |
| lcuk | whats what? | 20:19 |
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| MangoFusion | my internet tablet just seized up and crashed | 20:19 |
| MangoFusion | did they incorporate windows in the latest update or something? | 20:20 |
| * lcuk tunes his psychic radar | 20:20 | |
| Khertan_n810 | i get a strange crash too with app manager | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | on updating list | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | screen collapse from left and pfiouf ...reboot | 20:21 |
| * lcuk is eternally grateful he stuck with chinook for now | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | i'll wait for diablo SP1 | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i get only one time on chinook and one time on diablo | 20:21 |
| RST38h | SP1 is here! | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 20:22 |
| lcuk | its not SP1 until its available on windowsupdate.com | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | Pfft, Chinook sucks ass | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | diablo powa !!! | 20:22 |
| lcuk | i dont have stability issues: for my usage case its rock solid stable | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | lcuk's just living in the past. | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > lucky u are | 20:22 |
| lcuk | actually GAN, its a tool, and i see no point in updatign unless i have a specific problem or unmissable feature | 20:23 |
| lcuk | so far i havent seen that in diablo | 20:23 |
| * GAN800 rolleyes | 20:23 | |
| * lcuk checks for updates to his casio calculator | 20:24 | |
| johnx | man, I get the most random email O_o | 20:24 |
| lcuk | nahhh john, i get the most random emails :P | 20:25 |
| jott | calm down johnx it's just spam :P | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | I'm getting all sorts of Cyrillic spam at the moment. | 20:25 |
| johnx | jott, for all the world, I really think it's not | 20:25 |
| lcuk | cnn (i think) spam is bad at work | 20:25 |
| johnx | might be a wrong address though | 20:25 |
| jott | Dating from Winnipeg : | 20:25 |
| jott | I am Mia: 59 year old woman | 20:25 |
| jott | yuck! :O | 20:25 |
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| * lcuk gets real mails from people all the time. intended for someone.liquid@gmail they copy n paste but dont bring the someone. | 20:26 | |
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| johnx | jott, I played "follow the money" but there are no links or stock names or anything...It just says "fuck off" | 20:26 |
| * lcuk even has a nutters folder | 20:26 | |
| * GAN800 seconds that emotion. :P | 20:26 | |
| * Stskeeps reinstalls deblet for first time in a bloody long time | 20:28 | |
| RST38h | GAN: Are you offered hot anal sex videos? | 20:29 |
| * Khertan_n810 try to set bg color of a treeview | 20:29 | |
| InHuMan | How can I backup rootfs? Is "cat /dev/mtdblock4 > rootfs.jffs2" ok? | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know how to set the background color of a treeview when no data is in | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | i always get blank when there is no data | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. when you use single click .install, it doesn't add the repositories permanently, right? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 20:35 |
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| * johnx runs into issues getting usb host working in latest deblet... | 20:36 | |
| eichi | can i make gpsd on maemo action like a gps mouse? | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: that's odd, but didn't you have a odd issue last time as well? | 20:37 |
| johnx | yeah, had to load g_file_storage | 20:37 |
| johnx | but now g_file_storage.ko gives me "device or resource busy" | 20:37 |
| johnx | I'll dig into it | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | lsmod | grep g_ ? | 20:37 |
| johnx | I'd love to type that...but I have no keyboard | 20:38 |
| johnx | not until usb host works | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:38 |
| johnx | anyways, i'm pretty sure it didn't load since it said "failed to load" at bootup | 20:39 |
| johnx | gotta figure out why though | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | new fix in SSU? | 20:39 |
| * johnx shrugs | 20:39 | |
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| * Khertan_n810 want to fix this fucking gtk.TreeView background color !!!! | 20:41 | |
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| johnx | python md5sum is not fast... | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm replacing it with a new one when i've reinstalled | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | the guy who managed to do debootstrap as well compiled one | 20:45 |
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| johnx | zaurus has waaaay too many mixer controls O_o | 20:47 |
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| johnx | I mean really, no one needs this many mixer elements: http://pastebin.com/m5ce63c0a | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | johnx > use python md5hash.py from pypackager or py2deb | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:50 |
| johnx | I'll just settle for a file size compare for now | 20:50 |
| johnx | bye Khertan_n810 | 20:50 |
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| johnx | duh...g_ether is loading at boot I bet | 21:03 |
| * johnx slaps the battery out of his n800 again, is happy that ext3 journals... | 21:04 | |
| Stskeeps | forgot to dpkg --remove usbnet-emergency-? :P | 21:04 |
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| johnx | didn't think about it this time | 21:05 |
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| johnx | I guess I forgot it was there by default | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | to help when things screw up majorly ;) | 21:08 |
| johnx | I suppose so...it's so hard to find one thing that is helpful for everyone :) | 21:09 |
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| johnx | woo! | 21:10 |
| johnx | it lives | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 21:12 |
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| dougt | is qole around? the guy behind the bundyo-benson build? | 21:23 |
| zap | Where I should report autobuilder errors? | 21:23 |
| GAN800 | zap, bugzilla. | 21:24 |
| GAN800 | dougt, qole's not on irc. | 21:25 |
| dougt | GAN800: do you know if qole is his handle? | 21:25 |
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| GAN800 | Like I said, he's not on irc. | 21:26 |
| GAN800 | Hit him up on itT. | 21:26 |
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| mikkov_ | jott: what did you do ;) removed the non working part? | 21:31 |
| jott | mikkov_: enabled the use of system libraries instead of the bundled ones. | 21:31 |
| jott | so it now uses system curl etc. instead of cmcurl :) | 21:32 |
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| mikkov_ | nice. Why didn't it already use system libraries... | 21:32 |
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| jott | mikkov_: ask the debian maintainers :), i suppose to avoid conflicts and incompatibilities. | 21:35 |
| mikkov_ | I have always thougth that debian way is to use system libraries if possible | 21:36 |
| mikkov_ | guess not | 21:36 |
| lcuk | is sqlite the only reasonable local database for maemo? | 21:42 |
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| gregorovius | is there a decent irc client for internet tablet os? I remember seeing xchat available, but it's not in the diablo repo | 21:51 |
| gregorovius | (other than pidgin) | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | Extras-devel | 21:52 |
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| gregorovius | GAN800: I thought stuff in extras-devel was mainly 'not ready for release'... am I wrong? | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | These days that's less the case | 21:54 |
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| GAN800 | X-Chat is just awaiting some packaging changes. | 21:55 |
| gregorovius | I read something about the maemo builder being down, not sure if that's still the case as well | 21:55 |
| GAN800 | It's not. | 21:55 |
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| gregorovius | oh :) | 21:56 |
| gregorovius | there is xchat, thanks | 21:56 |
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| gregorovius | btw, could anyone briefly explain to me why isn't ogg-support in diablo yet? I tried to install it, but it also requires lightmediascanner, which is not available | 21:57 |
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| kulve | it shouldn't require that | 21:58 |
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| kulve | the separate meta package for canola depends on it | 21:58 |
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| gregorovius | I guess you're thomas kulve :) | 21:59 |
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| kulve | that's me :) | 21:59 |
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| gregorovius | huhm... I added your repo for chinook | 22:00 |
| gregorovius | installed ogg-support and it all went well, the stock media player would play oggs, but it would not load them into the media library (I guess that's lightmediascanner's duty?) | 22:01 |
| kulve | the reason there's no diablo repo is that I'm lazy. And afaik, chinook repo should work for diablo too | 22:01 |
| gregorovius | hehe | 22:01 |
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| kulve | lightmediascanner is 3rdparty and is used only by canola, not the stock media player | 22:02 |
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| gregorovius | then something didn't go too well. let me try reinstalling it | 22:02 |
| kulve | it may also take a bit until the metalayer crawler finds the oggs and adds them to the library. Shouldn't take too long though.. | 22:03 |
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| * zuh giggles at 'thomas' | 22:04 | |
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| gregorovius | ok, it installed well, now i'm rebooting just to be sure | 22:04 |
| kulve | zuh: we too ;) | 22:05 |
| kulve | gregorovius: it shouldn't need the reboot (at least it didn't on chinook) as it restarts several services. But I haven't checked carefully if something has changed in diablo.. | 22:06 |
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| gregorovius | yeah, I saw the restarting media daemons message, but anyway it doesn't hurt | 22:07 |
| kulve | yeah | 22:07 |
| gregorovius | my oggs aren't showing up in the media player so far | 22:07 |
| gregorovius | i'll wait some minutes and try again | 22:07 |
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| kulve | maybe I need to spend some time testing it.. | 22:08 |
| gregorovius | so, besides you being lazy (something I can't personally blame anyone for) is there anything stopping lightmediascanner-ogg in diablo? | 22:08 |
| kulve | that library should be provided by the canola team.. | 22:09 |
| kulve | I just made a meta package depending on it because they asked | 22:09 |
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| kulve | somebody mailed them about this already, afaik | 22:09 |
| kulve | but now bbl | 22:09 |
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| gregorovius | oh, okay, I'll go and poke at them instead | 22:10 |
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| gregorovius | kulve: well... metalayer-crawler seems inactive, the media player's library isn't showing oggs, if I go to clip -> open and browse to a folder with oggs it says (no media clips), and if I open an ogg from the filemanager (I had to direct it to mediaplayer-ogg, it didn't seem to have the mime association) it plays ok, but as if it were a video (it doesn't show any id3 info, and if I tap it it goes fullscreen) | 22:16 |
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| kulve | filemanager issue is know. The video thing I've encountered occasionally. The media player -> open is known. But they should show up in the library.. :( | 22:20 |
| kulve | but now I'm off | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | Doh: Sod's Law - the evening before the marketing demo (that we bust our balls on last week), they have a serious problem | 22:21 |
| gregorovius | okay | 22:21 |
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| gregorovius | if/when you have time, i'll be glad to help testing or anything else | 22:21 |
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| NeoStrider_ | hey folks | 22:30 |
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| NeoStrider_ | anybody home? | 22:31 |
| NeoStrider_ | hello there? | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm at work.. in my mind | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:32 |
| NeoStrider_ | ok | 22:33 |
| NeoStrider_ | have you seen anything weird with scratchbox 1.07? | 22:33 |
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| jott | hm anyone else having problems uploading to garage (builder)? my ssh key does not work anymore :/ | 22:38 |
| jott | RST38h: you had the same issue, right?! | 22:38 |
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| jott | everything falls apart when x-fade is not around :P | 22:39 |
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| jott | mh now it seems to work.. | 23:03 |
| * jott scratches his head | 23:03 | |
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| moontiger | you know it never ceases to amaze me how much actual work there is in getting even a seemingly trivial app working properly ... good job i love doing this stuff :) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | consider it knowedge for the future | 23:11 |
| jott | moontiger: what did you do? | 23:11 |
| moontiger | lcuk: heh yah | 23:12 |
| moontiger | :) | 23:12 |
| moontiger | jott: im working on a lil python home app to get my google calendar stuff down | 23:12 |
| MangoFusion | same here. only i was trying to figure out why on earth microb was going slow when running some javascript. | 23:12 |
| MangoFusion | nightmare. | 23:12 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 23:12 |
| moontiger | but config dialogs etc etc | 23:12 |
| moontiger | it all adds up | 23:13 |
| moontiger | and of course ... trying to imagine every possible error that could occur and planning for it | 23:13 |
| moontiger | hehe | 23:13 |
| lcuk | heh moontiger at least you still have a framework that works for you :- i have started from a blank canvas | 23:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 23:14 |
| moontiger | lcuk: you mean python? | 23:14 |
| jott | lcuk: you even started with a black canvass *scnr* :) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | lol yer moontiger | 23:14 |
| lcuk | i wondered if you would pipe up about that jott - i did think it as i typed it | 23:14 |
| jott | hehe | 23:14 |
| jott | sorry | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | dont worry :D i facepalm everytiem i think about it | 23:15 |
| moontiger | lcuk: well after i get the hang of maemo with python i will switch to c as its my preferred language | 23:15 |
| moontiger | altho python is something im loving learning too | 23:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | print osso.alarmd.add_alarm(time.mktime(datetime.datetime(2008,8,18,22,17,00).timetuple()),title='test exec',) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | moontiger, i quickly went through python at the start - its drawing speed was atrocious | 23:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups sorry | 23:17 |
| lcuk | heh khertan :D | 23:17 |
| moontiger | lcuk: yah its feeling like a glorified vb to be honest but it has a place for prototyping and non-speed intensive apps | 23:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: it s your that was atrocius not python :) | 23:17 |
| moontiger | khertan: hahaha | 23:17 |
| lcuk | no, vb is fast compared to this | 23:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: are u kidding ? | 23:18 |
| moontiger | vb is fast on a core2 duo maybe | 23:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | already do v ? | 23:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/v/vb | 23:18 |
| lcuk | moontiger, :) native vb6 could be compiled quite nicely and as long as you use core data elements and avoided strings its quick | 23:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | moontiger: don t forget the 2go ram | 23:19 |
| moontiger | lcuk: and the purely oo paradigm is a good one to get comfy with | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | vb.net is slow on the best machines | 23:19 |
| lcuk | .net is slow on the best machines | 23:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: u can compile python too | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | no you can't | 23:19 |
| lcuk | (choir) yes you can | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | you can compile it into a self-embedded executable, but the code itself is not really compiled in anything of lower-level | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | meaning the speed increase is nearly laughable | 23:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie: there is real compilator | 23:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | not embeded runtime with the bytecode | 23:22 |
| lophyte | has anyone been able to get the playback controls on bluetooth headphones to work with the N800? | 23:23 |
| flo_lap | re | 23:23 |
| moontiger | khertan: can i send myself a gtk signal to force a dialog to show after the main window has appeared? | 23:23 |
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| Khertan_n810 | moontiger: yep | 23:25 |
| moontiger | ok thnx :) | 23:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know where is hidden the python alarmd documentation ? | 23:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rahh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 23:36 |
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| * Khertan_n810 say that the osso.alarmd documentation will be more stressfree | 23:39 | |
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| GAN800 | Only if you know the secret password. | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | hildonwindowbordersuck | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve the right one ? | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 23:42 |
| GAN800 | Nay | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | iphonesucks ? | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe ittisfunnytoread ? | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | or ... | 23:43 |
| MangoFusion | i never noticed the window border until somebody mentioned it today. thanks | 23:43 |
| MangoFusion | now i'm going to try and ignore it. | 23:43 |
| MangoFusion | must..ignore...border | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | mCalendarIsTheBestApp | 23:43 |
| MangoFusion | resist...temptation...to...notice...it | 23:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol mangofusion | 23:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | bit you can remove it :) | 23:44 |
| MangoFusion | really though i bet i'm loosing a good deal of web viewing space from that | 23:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/bit/but | 23:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | u must edit gtkrc of your theme | 23:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | and look for osso-window-background style | 23:45 |
| jott | great, now garage rejects the key again. | 23:45 |
| MangoFusion | make me an app that has a big button in called "Remove that darn window border" | 23:45 |
| MangoFusion | and i'll be fine ;) | 23:45 |
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| MangoFusion | (it has to remove the window border or course though) | 23:46 |
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| jott | this border is broken by design. | 23:46 |
| jott | makes one want to puke on the one who did it :p | 23:47 |
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| jott | zap: could you add something like if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi to the mc.postinst please? | 23:53 |
| jott | (to make it installable in a sbox without X) | 23:54 |
| jott | erm not -z | 23:54 |
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| jott | -n or something | 23:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | jott> postinst that require user is really a bad thing ! | 23:58 |
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