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| crashanddie | gregorovius, that's the local hostname | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | gregorovius, not the network name | 00:10 |
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| gregorovius | crashanddie: huhm, what do I need to modify then? | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius, change the /etc/hosts on your desktop/laptop | 00:11 |
| gregorovius | but I have a router with dhcp | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | usually the IP will stay the same | 00:11 |
| timely | you should configure your router | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | depends if you a stable DNS or not | 00:11 |
| timely | it can probably assign an ip address | 00:11 |
| * timely can't remember if the tablets support getting names sent by dhcp | 00:12 | |
| crashanddie | using the MAC address of the NIT, you can tell your router to always give the same IP address | 00:12 |
| fred | crashanddie: quite a few routers automatically create dns entries based on the local hostname when given by the DHCP client | 00:12 |
| timely | you can probably tell your router to provide some dns too | 00:12 |
| gregorovius | fred: I thought that would happen, but so far no luck | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius, tell your router to always provide the same IP address, and be done with it | 00:12 |
| fred | gregorovius: after changing the host files you may have to restart your {networkconnection,tablet}, or it might be that the n810 doesn't give a hostname | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius, then just bind mynokia in /etc/hosts | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | fred, it doesn't, and probably his router/dns doesn't read it | 00:13 |
| fred | Actually, it definatlely does | 00:13 |
| gregorovius | I already restarted my NIT | 00:13 |
| * fred just checked his logs and dns server on his router | 00:13 | |
| crashanddie | ah ? | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | It does ? | 00:14 |
| fred | at least on diablo. | 00:14 |
| gregorovius | my router is displaying the new hostname | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | oh | 00:14 |
| gregorovius | but I don't know if it just mirrors the external dns or whatnot | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius, do you use the DNS on your router ? | 00:14 |
| gregorovius | my resolv.conf points to my router's IP, so I guess I do | 00:15 |
| fred | ah, may have found the gstreamer issue with my player; I have chinook qt :| | 00:15 |
| gregorovius | btw, I'm looking at /etc/mce/mce.ini, what is exactly softpoweroff? | 00:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, it doesn't work | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~softpoweroff | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, too bad | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | bug #2400 | 00:17 |
| gregorovius | i'll check it out, thanks | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a cooler, slicker, easier to use lock screen and keys | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's broken | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't know if they'll ever ship a real fix | 00:17 |
| gregorovius | yeah, it sounded good | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It lets you switch into locked AND offline mode (or any combination) with just a longpress on the power key | 00:18 |
| gregorovius | i'm still waiting for proper ogg support :P | 00:18 |
| RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.0-1_armel.deb | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Prepare to wait | 00:18 |
| fred | isn't that in gstreamer-plugins-good ? | 00:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: Take a look at the above URL if interested | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems to be management and lawyer hold-up. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what is it? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | long press of power turns things off - i would prefer to do it all with lock slider | 00:19 |
| RST38h | It is a calculator with some symbolic processing and a plotter | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, cool. | 00:19 |
| RST38h | early beta | 00:19 |
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| RST38h | sleep. | 00:33 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 00:39 |
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| Andy80 | is maemo.org website down? | 00:39 |
| gregorovius | Andy80: seems down for me | 00:39 |
| Andy80 | it is for me too :( | 00:40 |
| timely | who needs websites? | 00:40 |
| Andy80 | timely: ? | 00:41 |
| Andy80 | I just needed to access the wiki | 00:41 |
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| henrique | lcuk: hi! | 00:44 |
| pupnik | [entertainment] best rant ever? http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dec_francis/Dec-Francis-E_rant1.mp3 also _rant2.mp3, 3,4,5 | 00:45 |
| pupnik | (language, adult themes) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | \o hi henrique | 00:45 |
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| henrique | lcuk: did you see my mail? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | no? gimme a mo | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here, Andy80. | 00:46 |
| * lcuk checks all his accounts | 00:46 | |
| henrique | lcuk: it is about liqbase heh | 00:47 |
| lcuk | yer just reading now | 00:47 |
| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: now it's working for me too, but only http://maemo.org | 00:47 |
| henrique | lcuk: right, thanks! | 00:48 |
| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: if you try to access http://wiki.maemo.org a blank page is loaded | 00:48 |
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| lcuk | henrique, pm | 00:53 |
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| iXce | hmm, is the gtk-update-icon-cache still mandatory for postinst scripts, or is it run when user/* apps are being setup ? | 01:27 |
| iXce | (because I installed the deb of an app which wasn't calling that, yet the icon was shown right after install in the menu) | 01:27 |
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| * moontiger wonders why sbox absolutely SUCKS so much... | 01:30 | |
| Proteous | duh, what do you thing the "S" is for | 01:42 |
| melmoth | ca marche | 01:42 |
| melmoth | ousp | 01:42 |
| Proteous | exactly | 01:42 |
| Proteous | er | 01:42 |
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| iXce | hmm, is it possible to update sbox's automake to 1.9 easily? | 01:50 |
| zap | sure | 01:55 |
| zap | apt-get install automake-1.9 | 01:55 |
| zap | easy, eh? | 01:55 |
| iXce | this doesn't work :) | 01:55 |
| zap | "automake1.9", sorry | 01:56 |
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| iXce | nah I mean, I had tried this, but automake is /scratchbox/tools/bin/automake | 01:56 |
| iXce | which points to a scratchbox wrapper | 01:56 |
| zap | run automake-1.9 instead of "automake" | 01:56 |
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| iXce | bah, you win :) | 01:56 |
| zap | and learn the wonders of the "Tab" key :) | 01:56 |
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| iXce | ideally this shouldn't be needed :o (for instance I'm currently trying to compile pidgin 2.4.3 for diablo, and because of this it won't work with chinook packages, or I have missed something) | 01:59 |
| zap | well, the whole autoconf/automake thing is a pig pile of stinking shit^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmess | 01:59 |
| iXce | yeah, autotools are sadly broken by concept :/ | 02:00 |
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| iXce | but getting projects to use cmake/scons/whatever-else is not quite easy either, devs are anchored in their good old habits | 02:01 |
| zap | true, I'm anchored in my own build system :) | 02:01 |
| Proteous | I'm anchored to 200lbs of concrete on the ocean floor | 02:02 |
| Proteous | cement shoes you might say | 02:02 |
| Proteous | if it wasn't so dark down here you might be able to see the fishes | 02:03 |
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| zap | I believe you're connected directly to the transatlantic cable? | 02:03 |
| Proteous | the bandwidth is amazing | 02:03 |
| zap | it sticks right into your @ss? :) | 02:04 |
| iXce | I've heard that fishes hardly do anything else than IRC | 02:04 |
| Proteous | although finding waterproof networking gear that will work at this depth is hard | 02:04 |
| iXce | which would explain why there's so much spare bandwidth :) | 02:04 |
| * zap now understands what means "phishing" | 02:04 | |
| iXce | haha | 02:04 |
| iXce | zap: hmpf, google won't tell me what your build system is, any hint? :) | 02:05 |
| Proteous | I'm in ur oceans, tapping ur cablz | 02:05 |
| zap | um, er | 02:05 |
| zap | why you would need it, it sucks anyway :) | 02:05 |
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| iXce | curiosity :o | 02:05 |
| Proteous | think of the fishes! | 02:06 |
| zap | iXce: it's used in this project: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/lensfun/trunk/#_trunk_ | 02:06 |
| iXce | thanks | 02:06 |
| iXce | doesn't look that sucky, it's at quite short | 02:07 |
| zap | the most complex stuff is under build/mak/ | 02:10 |
| zap | but usually user doesn't have to mess with it | 02:10 |
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| moontiger | does anybody know how to get a usb keyboard working with the n810? | 02:29 |
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| tank-man | install one of those applets that toggle host mode | 02:35 |
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| moontiger | tankman... yah i have that already ... problem is the n810 doesn do the numlock thing right so i cant use half the keys | 02:38 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, what do you mean? the only restriction for host mode and usb keyboards is power as far as i know | 02:39 |
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| jott | ..and the right settings for xkb :) | 02:40 |
| lcuk | yes jot, but thats not a usb specific issue | 02:41 |
| jott | no. just a usb keyboard issue :) | 02:41 |
| lcuk | dont bluetooth keyboards need remapping? | 02:41 |
| moontiger | so i have to do a custom xkb map? | 02:41 |
| jott | moontiger: that's my blind guess. | 02:41 |
| jott | (maybe there is a ready one) | 02:42 |
| lcuk | moontiger, whats actually happening | 02:42 |
| tank-man | my usb keyboard just works with my n800 | 02:42 |
| moontiger | my bluetooth works fine ... its just the non-standard layout ... the delay and the lack of number keys | 02:42 |
| moontiger | i have a mini usb keyboard that would be great to use... | 02:42 |
| moontiger | it works fine in otg or whatever mode (host i think) | 02:42 |
| lcuk | i dont get lag with my bt keyboard (or not noticable anyway?) | 02:42 |
| moontiger | but the numlock wont turn off so half the keys wont register with any apps on the n810 | 02:43 |
| moontiger | plugging it into my laptop usb port works fine | 02:43 |
| lcuk | i thought numlock was a hardware specific thing - the host ocmputer doesnt control it does it? | 02:43 |
| moontiger | (using it now to test) | 02:43 |
| moontiger | lcuk ... it just toggles some keycode settings in the codes sent thru to the host pc | 02:44 |
| moontiger | tankman... what usb keyboard are u using? | 02:45 |
| moontiger | how are you connecting it? | 02:45 |
| lcuk | yes, it sends different codes depending if the keyboard itself is in numlock mode - but thats not the job of the computer to decide what the keyboard sends is it? | 02:45 |
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| moontiger | lcuk ... i dont think so but i think if a pin is held high the keyboard thinks numlock is set on or something | 02:45 |
| moontiger | what bluetooth kb do you use btw? | 02:46 |
| lcuk | apple thin | 02:46 |
| moontiger | oooooooooooh really?? | 02:46 |
| moontiger | and it works? | 02:46 |
| lcuk | yer, very nicely for what i use it for | 02:46 |
| moontiger | which is? | 02:46 |
| lcuk | typing.. | 02:47 |
| lcuk | and coding | 02:47 |
| moontiger | lol | 02:47 |
| moontiger | coding right ... it has [] and {} ? | 02:47 |
| lcuk | yer, im just used to a fullsize keyboard | 02:47 |
| lcuk | it only has backspace and no delete (or the other way round) | 02:47 |
| moontiger | right .... im trying to find a small kb that i can take with me when im on the road so to speak | 02:48 |
| lcuk | yer, ive got the 810 for most things, but if i need to sit down and do some actual work i take my apple | 02:48 |
| lcuk | its about the size of a book so fits in whichever bag ive got | 02:48 |
| moontiger | i have the 810 too but i find the lack of a tab key to be somewhat ridiculous | 02:48 |
| lcuk | agreed | 02:48 |
| moontiger | the apple keyboard isnt too big? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 02:49 |
| lcuk | check for yourself | 02:49 |
| jott | moontiger: you can easily map the tab key. | 02:49 |
| moontiger | *laughs* thats awesome!! | 02:49 |
| moontiger | total geek you are :) | 02:50 |
| jott | and {} [] :) | 02:50 |
| lcuk | no, i couldnt hold it when reading in bed - the bezel is too thin | 02:50 |
| lcuk | and fbreader is too frisky with page moving | 02:50 |
| jott | lcuk is famous for his woodwork :P | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | heh | 02:51 |
| jott | they come not only with computer problems but also shacky tables and chairs to him :P | 02:51 |
| moontiger | so cool .... but i find one-handed reading with fbreader works fine in bed for me | 02:51 |
| moontiger | jott ... how do i remap the keys? | 02:52 |
| moontiger | is it that dreadful xmodmap thing? | 02:52 |
| jott | xmodmap should only be used for temporary changes. | 02:52 |
| lcuk | i dont have to hold it up - when rotated portrait it rests on my chest and i just lightly grip - the old pda i used to use i could grip in a similar manner between my knuckles - at night im trying to relax and not have to grip anything | 02:52 |
| moontiger | lcuk... ok i get it ... works for me tho :) | 02:53 |
| moontiger | jott... so..... :) | 02:53 |
| jott | moontiger: see /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr | 02:53 |
| moontiger | ok cool :) | 02:53 |
| moontiger | what do you map those keys to btw? | 02:53 |
| lcuk | there is a tool to show you what keycodes are being returned from the keyboard i think | 02:54 |
| moontiger | xev does it i think no? | 02:54 |
| lcuk | its likely thats what im thinking of :) | 02:54 |
| moontiger | yah i had to map some mouse buttons on my laptop using that | 02:55 |
| jott | moontiger: http://slexy.org/view/s2LaXyFQR9 that's mine (for a german hw layout) | 02:55 |
| jott | but i think you can get the clue. | 02:55 |
| lcuk | you will need to know what codes your keyboard is sending so you can map them to useful keys | 02:55 |
| moontiger | thnx... looking now | 02:55 |
| jott | i also remapped the Chr key to be used as an extra modifier. | 02:55 |
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| jott | (so you can press chr , . to get extra brackets etc :) | 02:55 |
| lcuk | im puttin my head back into some code | 02:56 |
| moontiger | thnx lcuk :) | 02:56 |
| lcuk | np | 02:57 |
| * moontiger checks the n810... | 02:57 | |
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| moontiger | im so sick of sbox crashing all the time that i want to dev on the n810 | 03:00 |
| bef0rd | sbox doesn't crash for me | 03:01 |
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| jott | doesn't crash here either. | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, few things about one device dev - gcc works, make works, but configure doesnt (has dependency for debiantools which would bornek system), depending upon cpu setting compiling can be 10x slower or 100x slower than average desktop running vmware - incremental updates taking a couple of seconds is fine, but large projects take a long time | 03:05 |
| lcuk | easier to figure out whats crashing sbox - its known stable on lots of systems | 03:06 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmm thnx lcuk | 03:06 |
| * pahartik upgraded "Nokia 770" to "Maemo 2008 HE" and wonders if building "microb-engine" from source is only way to upgrade browser at moment | 03:06 | |
| moontiger | well its not sbox as such ... the diablo emulator stuff crashes on me a lot | 03:06 |
| lcuk | why use the emulator? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | don't you have a device? | 03:06 |
| moontiger | yes | 03:06 |
| jott | moontiger: i use the cvs-m version of qemu, works better here. | 03:07 |
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| lcuk | if make; scp "newbinary ->n810/usr/bin"; fi | 03:07 |
| lcuk | +execute of course | 03:07 |
| jott | other than that you could also use sbrsh | 03:08 |
| moontiger | you have the usb networking thing set up? | 03:08 |
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| lcuk | no, wifi ssh | 03:08 |
| lcuk | i used scratchbox for a couple of months at first before i moved ondevice | 03:08 |
| moontiger | im confused ... how does "n810/usr/bin" map to anything? | 03:09 |
| jott | you have to know that lcuk is a heavy smoker and coding in his cigarette breaks :) | 03:09 |
| moontiger | is that an scp thing? | 03:09 |
| jott | he just got the syntax wrong :) | 03:10 |
| jott | or semantics even :p | 03:10 |
| jott | but the message was "use scp to copy it over" :) | 03:10 |
| moontiger | ok cool np... so scp is the way to go over ssh | 03:10 |
| jott | you can also use sshfs .. | 03:10 |
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| moontiger | sshfs works on the n810? | 03:11 |
| jott | yes | 03:11 |
| * moontiger slaps forhead | 03:11 | |
| moontiger | ok that would be A LOT easier | 03:11 |
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| moontiger | then i could write and send | 03:11 |
| moontiger | ummmm where can i find sshfs? | 03:12 |
| jott | well actually for mounting the n810 on your desktop you don't need anything special but a running ssh server ;) | 03:12 |
| moontiger | ok hmmmm... so ssh server running on the n810 check... then how do i mount it on my desktop? | 03:12 |
| jott | other than that you can just install it. | 03:12 |
| jott | install sshfs and man sshfs? ;) | 03:13 |
| moontiger | on my laptop yes? | 03:13 |
| jott | basically mkdir n810 && sshfs n810:/home/user n810 | 03:13 |
| moontiger | jott... genius ... thanks so much :) | 03:14 |
| moontiger | doing it now | 03:14 |
| lcuk | you have to know that jott is a heavy superhero and helpsppl in his underpants and cape :) | 03:14 |
| jott | might be wise to do it outside of scratchbox and mount it somewhere in /scratchbox/home/user/$USER .. | 03:15 |
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| moontiger | right yes | 03:15 |
| moontiger | for python i dont even need scratchbox anymore | 03:15 |
| lcuk | jott, the maemovmware image thing, is it possible to take that wholesale and install it natively on my laptop from the image? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | its just a ubuntu image isnt it | 03:16 |
| jott | uhm yes, i suppose that should work. | 03:16 |
| moontiger | thnx guys very much :) | 03:16 |
| lcuk | im just thinking its already configured | 03:16 |
| jott | there are various tutorials how to put a vmware image directly on the host. | 03:16 |
| moontiger | ive been a dev d=for many years but this stuff is a bit new to me | 03:16 |
| lcuk | moontiger, :) ive been a windows dev for years. you have a jump on me by having linux desktop.. | 03:17 |
| moontiger | heh good to know im not the only one | 03:17 |
| moontiger | :) | 03:17 |
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| moontiger | i also do gtk stuff on the desktop which i love | 03:17 |
| moontiger | and a lot of php web stuff | 03:17 |
| moontiger | but i was a windows dev (c++/mfc) for a long time | 03:18 |
| lcuk | i started in c on the amiga - when i saw how shite c on windows was i hated it, visual basic has been my methadone for many years | 03:19 |
| lcuk | :) thankfully now im back in c and feeling happy, im even using all the optimisation training (from making vb fly) to make my nokia go quick :) | 03:20 |
| moontiger | the amiga!!?? wow i wrote asm games for that thing for psygnosis | 03:20 |
| lcuk | :) well a personal thank you. psygnosis produced some excellent games | 03:21 |
| moontiger | hahaha cool :) | 03:21 |
| jott | heh which games did you work on moontiger? | 03:21 |
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| moontiger | do you remember "shadow of the beast" and "killing game show" ? | 03:22 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: f**king great games! | 03:22 |
| lcuk | sotb was revolutionary for its time :) | 03:22 |
| jott | yes i do :) | 03:22 |
| moontiger | yeah well i worked on the killing game show and did the atari st conversion | 03:22 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: weren't you guys based in liverpool then? | 03:22 |
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| moontiger | yup in liverpoool but i lived in london | 03:23 |
| moontiger | i would commute up there once a week | 03:23 |
| * robtaylor first learnt assembler on the the ST | 03:23 | |
| moontiger | 68000 :) | 03:23 |
| robtaylor | damn right | 03:23 |
| lcuk | and to think they want to close down the northern cities :) | 03:23 |
| robtaylor | best instruction set there was until the arm came out | 03:24 |
| moontiger | yah well i wouldnt live in the uk ever again i think | 03:24 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: really? | 03:24 |
| moontiger | yah it was awesome | 03:24 |
| lcuk | arm is 68k on speed, the nokia should have its own custom chipset around it to make it perfect :) | 03:24 |
| moontiger | rob: nope ... | 03:24 |
| moontiger | yah ... a copper list processor and sound chip :) | 03:24 |
| * lcuk dreams of pvr and iva help | 03:24 | |
| * robtaylor lives in the peak district and likes it very much ;) | 03:24 | |
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| moontiger | peak district is awesome ... my mom lives in sutton coldfield | 03:25 |
| * lcuk lives in manchester and cant think of many nice things | 03:25 | |
| robtaylor | lcuk: hah, yeah I'd love to get the chance to play with those | 03:25 |
| lcuk | although in the air n space museum today it was cool | 03:25 |
| lcuk | robtaylor, i hope we are close | 03:25 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: we are, i'm sure. I love just by ladybower on the snake pass | 03:26 |
| moontiger | trouble is i think they are focused more on battery life and email type uses | 03:26 |
| lcuk | nokia have internal drivers and discussions are ongoing as to letting us get our mits on them | 03:26 |
| robtaylor | *live even | 03:26 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: well, i wouldn't say that really, there's intersting things happening all over the shop | 03:27 |
| jott | well the internal drivers need some rewrite or big lawyer claws to make them gpl compliant :) | 03:27 |
| moontiger | you guys are up late coding huh? | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, i see playing movies as a big battery eater - and they want that happening - with all the other devices around having 3d i dont think us having such a slow graphics processor is good | 03:27 |
| moontiger | right yes | 03:27 |
| lcuk | yes jott | 03:27 |
| jott | coding 24/7 :O | 03:27 |
| * robtaylor is supposed to be doing tinymail work for a client, but its all a bit tedious | 03:28 | |
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| lcuk | jott :) someone has to do it | 03:28 |
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| robtaylor | lcuk: got your hands on a beagle board yet? | 03:28 |
| jott | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-has-a-half-full-glass.jpg hehe | 03:28 |
| lcuk | no rob - it has no screen and im not wasting money on something without touch | 03:29 |
| moontiger | is anyone working on the modest client at all? | 03:29 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: i'm sure with a bit of ingenuity you could scavenge parts from a 770 or so | 03:29 |
| lcuk | ill get next nokia touch device or pandora or something | 03:29 |
| jott | robtaylor: i had the same thought :) | 03:30 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: yeah, nokia's still at work on modest | 03:30 |
| jott | modding a beagleboard into a 770 would be awesome :) | 03:30 |
| lcuk | its a cludge though and would need to stop me coding for ages to sort out something that big teams are working on | 03:30 |
| robtaylor | mm, waiting for the next hardware rev is probably easier | 03:30 |
| moontiger | heh | 03:31 |
| * lcuk lets the hardware people work on what they are good at and then port as required :) | 03:31 | |
| robtaylor | I just wish imagination would realease suitably-licensed drivers for their shit | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, lots of @nokia people. | 03:31 |
| robtaylor | but i kinda doubt it'll ever happen | 03:32 |
| moontiger | GA... any chance of them making a usable interface?? | 03:32 |
| lcuk | im goin again, my head is swimming in layout and rendering and needs hacking away at | 03:33 |
| jott | yes, img tech could be a real problem :( | 03:33 |
| moontiger | ttfn lcuk :) | 03:33 |
| jott | lcuk go go go :) | 03:33 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: imagination? | 03:34 |
| lcuk | heh jott, you reminded me of kotzcarny then | 03:34 |
| moontiger | rob: no ... modest :) | 03:34 |
| robink | lcuk: The ColdFire is 68k on speed. | 03:34 |
| arachnist | lcuk: that'd be "kotczarny" rather | 03:35 |
| robtaylor | moontiger: oh, hmm, well, i havn't used it recently, but what are the problems? | 03:35 |
| lcuk | cool robink, arachnist you are right | 03:35 |
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| moontiger | rob: things like setting fonts... switching accounts ... viewing accounts | 03:36 |
| jott | yeah switching accounts is really terrible. | 03:36 |
| moontiger | the notification stuff | 03:36 |
| moontiger | a lot of it is really good ... just the bad stuff makes it unusable imho | 03:36 |
| robtaylor | moontiger, jott: you should come up with some patches and throw them at them :) | 03:37 |
| moontiger | rob: let me get my first app written then i will dive in to that stuff | 03:37 |
| moontiger | ;) | 03:37 |
| robtaylor | heh | 03:37 |
| robtaylor | sergio on #tinymail is a good person to talk about modest development with. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, it's open source. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hack it up. | 03:38 |
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| robtaylor | night all | 03:39 |
| moontiger | nn | 03:39 |
| * moontiger heads back to coding | 03:40 | |
| bef0rd | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-teleportation-machine-needs-some-work.jpg | 03:40 |
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| robink | Will Maemo 5 support the MBX or just the SGX? | 04:06 |
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| GAN800 | robink, you're kidding, right? | 04:08 |
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| robink | GAN800: ...no? | 04:17 |
| robink | Wait, Maemo 4 supports the MBX? | 04:17 |
| robink | ...or is the implication that Maemo 5 won't support the 2420 at all? | 04:18 |
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| GAN800 | Nokia doesn't announce stuff like that. ;) | 04:21 |
| GAN800 | If they did, the news would be plastered everywhere. | 04:21 |
| robink | Ah | 04:21 |
| GAN800 | The implication is that anybody outside of some key Nokia people knowing is an impossibility. :D | 04:21 |
| robink | Ah | 04:22 |
| robink | Does Maemo 4 support the MBX? | 04:22 |
| robink | I was never 100% clear on that. | 04:23 |
| GAN800 | No | 04:24 |
| robink | Aw, poop. | 04:24 |
| GAN800 | No drivers support for PowerVR or IVA | 04:24 |
| GAN800 | There's a possible light at the end of the tunnel. | 04:24 |
| GAN800 | Check out the driver's justification page on the wiki. | 04:24 |
| robink | GAN800: I'm looking at it, but I'm not seeing the light. | 04:27 |
| GAN800 | Kate is on the talk page? | 04:27 |
| robink | Oh | 04:28 |
| GAN800 | The light is that we've got a dialog | 04:31 |
| GAN800 | So we're way ahead of the game compared to most groups in a situation like this. | 04:31 |
| robink | GAN800: Indeed. | 04:32 |
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| pardsbane | Hi, I got scratchbox2 running on OS X, but I'm having trouble with testing it out, is anyone around to help? | 06:27 |
| bef0rd | hi | 06:35 |
| pardsbane | hi | 06:35 |
| bef0rd | scratchbox2 is for maemo-sdk+, right? | 06:35 |
| pardsbane | yeah | 06:35 |
| bef0rd | oh, I'm still using sbox 1 | 06:36 |
| pardsbane | yeah, I figured most people were, but I thought it might be worth a shot | 06:36 |
| pardsbane | :) I think its just some sort of wierd config issue, sb2 runs without crashing, but it seems to not be wrapping / intercepting correctly or something... | 06:37 |
| pardsbane | when sb1 is running, do all the commands run inside qemu? | 06:38 |
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| bef0rd | no, I believe it only 'redirects' some of them | 06:40 |
| bef0rd | so when using gcc on ARM target, it uses x86 gcc to generate the ARM binary | 06:41 |
| trev0r | who knows how to get xmame working in diabo | 06:42 |
| pardsbane | hum. can you get a maemo environment up and running emulated on your desktop? | 06:42 |
| pardsbane | thats possible, right? | 06:42 |
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| pardsbane | I downloaded the rootstrap.tgz and extracted that, then I can run sb2, but I can't figure out how to build the whole maemo environment | 06:46 |
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| robink | pardsbane: You shouldn't need to build it. | 06:59 |
| robink | pardsbane: Did you follow the scratchbox tutorial? | 06:59 |
| pardsbane | Well, I'm using scratchbox 2 | 06:59 |
| robink | Ah | 06:59 |
| pardsbane | but I did follow all the docs there | 07:00 |
| robink | hmm | 07:00 |
| moontiger | whats the problem? maybe i can help :) | 07:00 |
| pardsbane | I'm using sb2 because I believe there's no chance sb1 can run on OS X, but I sb2 should be able to | 07:00 |
| pardsbane | ok, well I got sb2 compile and running (I think) on OS X. | 07:00 |
| pardsbane | the sb2 docs say to test it by sb2 by running something like this "sb2 apt-get source fontconfig", but when I do that I get weird results | 07:01 |
| pardsbane | specifically, I get this: | 07:02 |
| pardsbane | pardsbane@Buran:~/maemo-root$ sb2 apt-get | 07:02 |
| pardsbane | I guess the thing is I have the rootstrap-4.1 installed, but I don't know how to install the sdk or actually run any Maemo apps | 07:03 |
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| bef0rd | ;_; | 07:31 |
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| timely | http://www.maemoapps.com/2008/08/12/need-a-newer-version-of-flash-but-no-way-to-update/ | 08:30 |
| timely | was someone planning on adding a comment noting that there *is* a fix? | 08:30 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles? :( | 08:31 |
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| GAN800 | He must've missed the topic. | 08:31 |
| timely | ? | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | I'll poke him in the morning if I remember. | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | On itT | 08:32 |
| timely | well someone has used the "comments" field | 08:32 |
| timely | i don't see anything wrong w/ a comment "aha, but you *can* fix it w/o waiting for nokia" | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Commented | 08:36 |
| timely | i'm still not sure about the branding thing | 08:38 |
| timely | i was under the [mis?]understanding that os2008 would be able to not fix itself | 08:38 |
| timely | and branding updates were only supposed to apply to future products | 08:38 |
| * timely should try to figure out where that conclusion came from | 08:38 | |
| GAN800 | Not anywhere public | 08:39 |
| GAN800 | Not anywhere that I've seen, anyway. | 08:40 |
| timely | andre__: i think for now i'm going to ignore 3585 | 08:40 |
| timely | i actually made the argument that Gmail was one of the apps broken by the feature | 08:40 |
| timely | but if that guy can't even manage to point to gmail, he hasn't made a real case | 08:40 |
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| GAN800 | Javascript irc made me laugg | 08:41 |
| GAN800 | s/laugg/laugh/ | 08:41 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Javascript irc made me laugh | 08:41 |
| timely | it's technically correct | 08:42 |
| timely | but i don't have any sympathy | 08:42 |
| timely | i'd rather ditch the feature entirely in favor of a battery drain indicator | 08:42 |
| timely | which would force the user to take responsibility for the problem | 08:42 |
| GAN800 | You shortened my summary with an ugly contraction! :P | 08:43 |
| timely | does https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand load for you? | 08:43 |
| * GAN800 cries foul! | 08:43 | |
| GAN800 | Ohh | 08:43 |
| * timely is using safari1.x | 08:43 | |
| GAN800 | Give the tablets a 'mpg' meter? | 08:43 |
| GAN800 | I like that idea. | 08:43 |
| GAN800 | Fits with Nokia's whole 'green' line of bullshit | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | It loads here | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | Reload | 08:44 |
| timely | i get a very tall page w/ white wiki content | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | Erm, dupe? https://bugs.maemo.org/show bug.cgi?id=3593 | 08:45 |
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| * GAN800 is a bit tired. | 08:45 | |
| timely | how can you manually type bug urls? | 08:45 |
| timely | "easy fix" yeah right | 08:45 |
| GAN800 | Manually? | 08:46 |
| GAN800 | I cut'n'paste from MicroB. | 08:46 |
| timely | um, it ate the _ | 08:46 |
| timely | isn't 3592 a dupe too | 08:46 |
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| GAN800 | Maybe, it includes additional stuff from the original. | 08:47 |
| GAN800 | I nominate andre__ to figure it out. ;) | 08:48 |
| timely | 3298 | 08:48 |
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| * timely grumbles @ http://i.newsmediamagazine.com/2008/08/16/be-a-professional-with-the-nokia-n810/ | 09:02 | |
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| RST38h | moorning, all | 09:02 |
| timely | it might be good content, but if i were @nokiausa and loaded that in my browser, i'd be in trouble | 09:03 |
| qwerty12 | morning RST38h | 09:03 |
| RST38h | timely: how much has nokia paid for this shit?=) | 09:03 |
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| robink | Does telepathy videoconference now? | 09:05 |
| robink | It sorta seems like it's capable, but I haven't tried. | 09:05 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo | 09:42 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ping | 09:42 |
| robink | rm_you: Hello | 09:45 |
| rm_you | yo | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | wag1 rm_you | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:45 |
| rm_you | qwerty12 / lcuk / GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking about making shirts with these logos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo_org_logo_contest_narbat_12.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_5.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_setan666_1.png | 09:46 |
| rm_you | i need like three more designs to make | 09:46 |
| rm_you | suggestions? | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, I haven't been looking at the logos. | 09:46 |
| rm_you | :/ | 09:46 |
| robink | rm_you: I like the last one. | 09:47 |
| rm_you | yeah, so do i, which is why i'm putting it on a shirt :p | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: What about Khertan's? http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 09:47 |
| rm_you | i need MORE tho | 09:47 |
| rm_you | rofl | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:48 |
| rm_you | maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_attila_2.png | 09:48 |
| rm_you | with the middle big image on the back and the left small image on the front pocket area | 09:48 |
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| bef0rd | :] | 11:02 |
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| bef0rd | hi lardman | 11:36 |
| lardman | hi bef0rd | 11:36 |
| * qwerty12 is happy to say I finally got rid of those annoying EAC messages in dmesg | 11:37 | |
| qwerty12 | hey lardman | 11:37 |
| lardman | hi qwerty12 | 11:37 |
| bef0rd | hi qwerty12. | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | hi bef0rd | 11:37 |
| bef0rd | oh, I read something about that on the back scroll, did fanoush help you? | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, fanoush had a patch to get rid of the menelaus setting voltage messages :) | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Applied that and quickly patched the eac to get rid of those annoying play enabled, rec disabled messages when the sound was on. | 11:39 |
| robink | Hey lardman. | 11:40 |
| robink | Still haven't done anything with the dsp-tremor stuff, but I'm looking at it. | 11:40 |
| lardman | robink: I pushed a load of changes against the mk2-use-builtin-malloc branch the other day | 11:41 |
| robink | lardman: I just grabbed 'em. | 11:41 |
| lardman | it compiles, I've not tested it yet | 11:41 |
| robink | 'k | 11:41 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: btw, what is dsp-mp3 about? I thought the tablet shipped with a dsp mp3 decoder? | 11:41 |
| robink | I still can't get the DSP code to compile. | 11:41 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, but this is one with source code, I want to implement OpenMAX style interfaces, so all the data can be kept on the DSP rather than needing to be passed back | 11:42 |
| lardman | robink: what's the problem? | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | Ah right :) | 11:42 |
| lardman | s/problem/error | 11:42 |
| robink | lardman: You have a different build environment. | 11:42 |
| robink | lardman: It can't find avs_kernel.out, but that's not my main problem. | 11:42 |
| lardman | robink: yeah, well most of the paths should be pretty obvious, as they have the same name | 11:43 |
| lardman | an, avs_kernel.out is on the device, in /lib/dsp/ | 11:43 |
| robink | lardman: I don't have a cl55. | 11:43 |
| robink | lardman: I have a copy on my machine, getting the path for that sorted out. | 11:43 |
| robink | Oh wait, I do | 11:43 |
| lardman | those makefiles of mine are pretty messy, lots of stuff in there is not needed | 11:44 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m587afb1e is the contents of one of the custom dirs | 11:45 |
| lardman | also, all the libs are not really required, they do no harm, but you'll get linker errors if you start using the fns contained within them as they already existin avs_kernel.out | 11:47 |
| * lardman is not all that hot on Makefiles, once one works, he leaves well alone until it really needs to be fixed | 11:48 | |
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| RST38h | lardman, hey | 11:48 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 11:48 |
| RST38h | Anything new and exciting on the a2dp front? | 11:48 |
| lardman | no, I tried a new branch using shared memory transfers - I think I wrote to the list about this | 11:49 |
| lardman | but no real difference when decoding video, still very low fps | 11:49 |
| lardman | I was thinking of testing playing videos of different bitrates and most importantly wxh sizes, so see if it's actually bandwidth related | 11:49 |
| lardman | not got round to it yet | 11:50 |
| lardman | s/wxh/width x height | 11:50 |
| lardman | I also need to look into qwerty12's problem | 11:50 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: what was the name of that file you sent me?> | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: Can't remember >.<. It was a lethal bizzle track though | 11:52 |
| * qwerty12 searches his hard drive | 11:52 | |
| lardman | could you send it again, I seem to have mislaid it | 11:52 |
| lardman | sorry | 11:52 |
| robink | argh, can't get tokliBIOS compiled. I also might have the wrong set of tools. | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | no problems :). Thanks for taking the time to look into it :) | 11:53 |
| lardman | you don't need to compile tokliBios | 11:53 |
| lardman | the dsp kernel is toklibios + Nokia closed source components, you only need the header files to link against | 11:53 |
| lardman | to build with rather | 11:53 |
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| robink | lardman: Ah. | 11:56 |
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| lardman | The dsp gateway docs are somewhat confusing, I began thinking I needed to compile that too | 11:58 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: where does the corruption happen> | 12:02 |
| lardman | ? | 12:02 |
| * lardman feels his ears bleeding ;) | 12:02 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman: a few seconds from the offset. The whole track is like that :) | 12:02 |
| lardman | ah yes | 12:03 |
| lardman | pretty bad corruption really | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :/. Still though, sbc-dsp is brilliant though to say that's the only track it happens on though :) | 12:05 |
| lardman | well it doesn't sound timing related, I can hear the backbeat still | 12:06 |
| lardman | anyone know of tools I could use to chop out 10s or so of an mp3 and convert it to an .au file (because that's what the test code accepts by default)? | 12:08 |
| lardman | interesting, that song is mono | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, been looking for a better mp3... | 12:09 |
| lardman | just wondering if there's an error there - all of my tracks are stereo, so I never notice | 12:10 |
| lardman | plus the a2dp code presumes that a stereo track is provided iirc | 12:10 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: I can get you an 9 second au, should the au be u-law or pcm? | 12:12 |
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| lardman | u-law iirc | 12:12 |
| lardman | needs to be big endian, otherwise I'll have to rewrite the test code (which I should probably do anyway...) | 12:13 |
| lardman | but hang fire, I'm going to reencode one of my working mp3s to mono, see if that does the same | 12:13 |
| lardman | if so, we know where the problem lies, if not, your file would be useful | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, not sure if it's big endian. | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, if you want it: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/test.au | 12:14 |
| lardman | thanks | 12:15 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if I can get lame to reencode your mp3 as a stereo track and just repeat the mono for both L & R? | 12:18 |
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| zap | lardman: you can use lame+sox for that | 12:21 |
| lardman | zap: thanks, have reencoded a stereo track to mono and it shows the same effect | 12:22 |
| lardman | qwerty12: it's a mono problem, now time to test if I've made a mistake, or it's a limiation of the bluez implementation (iircit hardcodes the output parameters) | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: ok, thanks | 12:23 |
| * qwerty12 hits the frostwire meanwhile :P | 12:23 | |
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| lardman | qwerty12: looks like some issue in my code, bluez correctly asks for mono data to be encoded, I'll look into it | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thank you. | 12:33 |
| * qwerty12 is trying to find out why omweather won't give me the gradient :( | 12:34 | |
| lardman | gradient? | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/weather-tab1.png. I get some ugly grey thing :( | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | (No the "ugly grey thing" isn't the gradient) | 12:35 |
| lardman | ah right, bg | 12:36 |
| lardman | I don't get a gradient either | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | So it isn't just me, thanks for checking :) | 12:38 |
| lardman | ~lart desktop applets for being a pita to move | 12:41 |
| * infobot beats desktop applets severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for being a pita to move | 12:41 | |
| * qwerty12 's problem is that they move too easily :) | 12:41 | |
| lardman | yeah, well on or the other, just never when you want! :) | 12:41 |
| lardman | s/on/one | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | Sometimes, the applets get stuck while moving, I have to open and close the application menu and then start moving again | 12:43 |
| * qwerty12 has no idea why mce will hang on shutdown when I disable kernel debugging | 12:43 | |
| Khertgan_again | the old way to move applet was far better | 12:44 |
| lardman | +1 | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | +2 | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | Someone should look at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1.tar.gz and apply the good stuff to http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-desktop/ ;) | 12:46 |
| lardman | good point | 12:47 |
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| lardman | go on qwerty12, you must be bored getting up at 11 and playing playstation all day long! ;) | 12:47 |
| * lardman is jealous of school holidays :) | 12:47 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman: I'm a n00b, I get up at 6:30 each day and I don't have a playstation :P :D | 12:48 |
| zap | qwerty12: how you managed to recompile cx3110, I thought sources were available, but they seems not? | 12:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well everyone has to start somewhere and it's not very hard | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: true :) | 12:49 |
| lardman | robink: how are you getting on? | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | zap: I got sources from here. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ . I had to make quite a few changes before it would compile properly for me though. | 12:49 |
| zap | ah, cool :) so they're still available | 12:49 |
| zap | why that nokia guy told you then that they aren't? | 12:50 |
| lardman | and he doesn't think he could patch the desktop! ;) | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | zap: umac and mtum sources are closed | 12:50 |
| lardman | zap: there's two bits, a wrapper and the binary blob | 12:50 |
| zap | ah | 12:50 |
| zap | like nvidia drivers? | 12:50 |
| lardman | is the blob not completely isolated from kernel structures then? | 12:50 |
| lardman | zap: yeah that sort of thing | 12:51 |
| lardman | otherwise no-one should even want to recompile it | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | no idea. wlancond (the wrapper) sources are here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-wlan/ | 12:52 |
| robink | lardman: I'm closer, but I'm giving up for the night as it's almost 3AM here. | 12:52 |
| lardman | no worries, drop me a line or catch me here if you need any more help getting setup | 12:53 |
| zap | 770 uses a different chip? | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | zap: yes | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | the predecessor of the one in N8x0 | 12:54 |
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| lardman | robink: still getting a bus error | 12:55 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m410d6c92 | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | zap: if you want to recompile and sources from nokia give you undefined symbols, try this copy: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15-fixed.tar.bz2 . Using mamona patch, dummy-umac.c from the old cx version (which nokia took out, and I have no idea why because symbols are defined from there) and 1% own thinking, I made source archive that compiles fine. Just get umac.ko from initfs and place it in cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15. Ed | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | it makefile to reflect location of your kernel sources too. | 12:57 |
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| RST38h | "Western Digital Working On a 20,000 RPM Drive" | 13:16 |
| RST38h | Now, THAT is going to be the real weapon of terror | 13:16 |
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| jaska | weapon of mass data destruction | 13:23 |
| * qwerty12 thought that was a magnet. *evil grin* | 13:24 | |
| qwerty12 | ironically, the magnet I took from my old hard drive has to be the best I've ever used | 13:24 |
| jaska | yeah drives have pretty oomphy magnets | 13:24 |
| lbt | and the platters make nice coasters... | 13:25 |
| jaska | smooth.. unless the heads took a dive | 13:25 |
| lbt | and shaving mirrors | 13:25 |
| lardman | what are 64kHz ogg vorbis files like? | 13:29 |
| lbt | quiet | 13:30 |
| lardman | in terms of quality? | 13:30 |
| lbt | since humans can't hear above ~18kHz | 13:30 |
| lardman | ah I see, I think it may be a bitrate rather than audio freq | 13:30 |
| lbt | :) | 13:30 |
| lbt | I find my 320kbps mp3's lack some bass compared to flac | 13:31 |
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| lardman | so pretty crappy then probably | 13:31 |
| lbt | OTOH, in the car at 95mph.... | 13:32 |
| lbt | who cares | 13:32 |
| lardman | hmm, the tables to decode anything >64kHz data are too large to fit in memory | 13:32 |
| lbt | 64kbps | 13:32 |
| lardman | well I'm just reading from the code | 13:32 |
| lbt | ! | 13:32 |
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| lardman | #ifdef LIMIT_TO_64kHz | 13:33 |
| lardman | if (vi->rate>=64000 || ci->blocksizes[1]>2048){ | 13:33 |
| lbt | ah - that could be differen | 13:33 |
| lbt | t | 13:33 |
| lbt | that could be subsampling | 13:33 |
| lardman | hmm, will have to ping derf | 13:33 |
| lardman | derf: ping | 13:33 |
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| Mace_ | hm | 13:40 |
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| Mace_ | cant download gftp | 13:40 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:48 |
| lbt | hi | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 13:49 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: how boned is one if there's a corrupt initfs? unable to reflash through usb? (just curious and you seem to know a lot :P) | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Unless the flash chip is physically damaged, reflashing through usb works fine :) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so it's a process that starts before initfs is started? | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | NOLO handles the flashing. Nolo is started before initfs and kernel | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | (It also contains the white nokia logo :>) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | that's good | 14:09 |
| * Stskeeps plans to mess a bit around with his bootmenu idea today, so | 14:10 | |
| Stskeeps | and wanted to make bloody sure i can resurrect my tablet if i mess up ;) | 14:10 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I wanted to document the debian boot here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 14:10 |
| lbt | I've been doing some messing around with the bootmenu | 14:11 |
| lbt | getting to know it... | 14:11 |
| lbt | making it cycle back to the menu when the boot fails rather than defaulting to flash | 14:12 |
| lbt | dead easy shell script | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: very interesting page indeed .. Debian booting will be a little altered compared to maemo booting if i have my way | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | because i'm tired of some of the hacks initfs does :) | 14:12 |
| lbt | yes - my whole objective was to have debian and std | 14:12 |
| lbt | co-exist on a multi-boot :) | 14:12 |
| lbt | the bullet list at the top is what my goal was | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | read my bootmenu proposal? | 14:13 |
| lbt | I didn't know at the time about your installer | 14:13 |
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| lbt | not yet - where? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | er | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | bloody paste | 14:13 |
| * qwerty12 goes for excessive cosmetic hacks: http://i34.tinypic.com/jfdrox.png & http://i33.tinypic.com/2cy5jsn.jpg | 14:14 | |
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| lbt | (actually - it struck me that we could maybe get NOLO to boot multiple kernels using an offset table in the flash) | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705 | 14:14 |
| lbt | tada - grub :) | 14:14 |
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| lbt | I don't read itt (for no good reason - just habit and slow internet) | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | a way to do the bootmenu add stuff would be immensely useful for any multiboot project | 14:14 |
| lbt | did you see my bug | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: "mobile ii" theme is acceptable on slow internet :P i'll just cp somewhere | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | which one? i've been out of the loop for two weeks due to exams | 14:15 |
| lbt | hunting | 14:15 |
| lbt | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3589 | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, thought you meant a Deblet bug :) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, that one is a problem | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/foo.txt is my proposal | 14:16 |
| lbt | <shame>I don't have deblet installed yet </shame> | 14:17 |
| lbt | I wanted to install it 'raw' so I understand it better | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | meh, i don't blame you, there's a showstopper fsck bug atm :P | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | and sound doesn't work | 14:17 |
| lbt | sound not important | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | the installation procedure is pretty well documented and all hacks are structured | 14:18 |
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| lbt | I was looking for a less "1-click" way to do it - and I've only just fixed multiboot reliably | 14:19 |
| lbt | so deblet is next | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | deblet will get better installer soon, some guy made a gtk python module that can be used | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | the main challenge for deblet right now is having a "proper" bootmenu so we can add boot menu entries that match deblet needs | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | that paves the way for 1-2 click installs | 14:20 |
| lbt | like I say - I want to edit bootmenu.conf and linuxrc by hand to make it work ;) | 14:20 |
| lbt | then I can help write a pytk | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:20 |
| lbt | installer | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | basically what i need from bootmenu is 1) the bootmenu add ability 2) ability for linuxrc to boot a system by putting old /tmp on /boot or whatever instead, and -not fuck around with /var/run and /tmp- | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | by some boot menu setting | 14:22 |
| lcuk | wow! i sent a mail on May 22, i got a bounce back today. | 14:22 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 14:22 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: to hotmail or something? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:22 |
| lbt | old /tmp? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | dunno, some domain | 14:22 |
| lcuk | not big mail provider | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: lemme just boot up my tablet.. sec | 14:23 |
| lbt | ok | 14:23 |
| aquatix | friend of mine got a few bounces from mail sent 1 year ago from the hotmail servers | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | well the error is "mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded" | 14:24 |
| lcuk | mustv tried for a looooooooooong time | 14:25 |
| aquatix | heh, indeed | 14:25 |
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| lbt | <grin> I have no clue where my tablet is... but I can ssh to it | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://rafb.net/p/L16w4K17.html <- this part | 14:26 |
| lbt | ok | 14:26 |
| lbt | I'm just copying initfs to my local host to play... | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | it causes chaos on booting non-maemo systems :P | 14:26 |
| lcuk | lbt, play an mp3 with it | 14:27 |
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| lbt | at the moment I think bootmenu may do better exec'ing a new linuxrc | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | well that's one way and reverting to old boot method if it's nonexistent, like on maemo | 14:29 |
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| lbt | yep. (if -f bootmenu.sh, run bootmenu.sh, exit) | 14:30 |
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| fijal | hello | 14:31 |
| fijal | I'm trying to follow this instructions: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 14:32 |
| fijal | and it cannot run gcc | 14:32 |
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| fijal | (inside) | 14:32 |
| fijal | saying /usr/bin/gcc: no such file or directory | 14:32 |
| fijal | while gcc-3.4 works | 14:32 |
| fijal | but cannot invoke say as | 14:32 |
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| timely | anyone know if n810s ship w/ diablo? | 15:10 |
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| Mace_ | anybody know where i could get gftp? | 15:14 |
| Mace_ | been looking for it with no luck | 15:15 |
| lcuk | i love my missus :D | 15:15 |
| lcuk | "heat up the frying pan, im on my way back with bacon!" | 15:15 |
| Mace_ | either downed servers | 15:15 |
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| crashanddie | timely, don't think so | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | timely, remember, the n800 shiped with OS2007, even though OS2008 was around for quite a while | 15:27 |
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| jott | that might also have been stock devices. afair i had a newer version on my n810 than the release one, but i can't remember for sure. | 15:37 |
| lcuk | apt-get install bacon | 15:37 |
| lcuk | mornin jott / crashanddie | 15:38 |
| jott | hey lcuk. | 15:38 |
| jott | bacon sounds delicious :) | 15:38 |
| lcuk | perfect for a sunday mornin | 15:38 |
| jott | as always: http://xkcd.com/418/ :) | 15:39 |
| lcuk | :D heh xkcd is pure genius | 15:40 |
| lcuk | jott, when you are doin stuff in qt, what units do you specify widgets in? is it still all pixel based and what happens when used in different resolutions? | 15:42 |
| jott | pixels, yes | 15:42 |
| jott | but the layout manager takes care of most of the stuff. | 15:43 |
| fijal | date | 15:43 |
| lcuk | but how does that work if you design buttons (for instance) to be 256*256 pixels and then compiled and used on maemo | 15:44 |
| lcuk | doesnt that really fsck things up | 15:44 |
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| jott | lcuk: you just rearly need to specify exact sizes. | 15:45 |
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| jott | the button size can be determined by the label text size. | 15:45 |
| jott | etc. | 15:45 |
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| jott | but yeah, you might have problems with different dpis | 15:45 |
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| lcuk | hmmm | 15:48 |
| * lcuk sees if more bacon hepls | 15:48 | |
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| jott | pixel metric has the advantage of being integer based. | 15:50 |
| lcuk | anything can be integer based - the layout manager im doing now is actually using 22500 dpi :) | 15:50 |
| lcuk | 80000 * 48000 | 15:50 |
| jott | haha well but you can't bring everything to a common denominator :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | but it builds the widget tree using whatever dimensions are required to give a total required size - then scales the entire thing to fit on screen | 15:51 |
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| lardman | lcuk: more bacon always helps | 15:52 |
| lcuk | :D wondered when you would smell it | 15:52 |
| * lcuk is really laughin now | 15:52 | |
| lardman | Just been to town for a blt to help recover from the hangover | 15:53 |
| lardman | it's done wonders | 15:54 |
| lcuk | the missus just soaked hers up with one, im just strengthening my arteries :) | 15:54 |
| lardman | lol | 15:54 |
| lcuk | the more ui i build, the more of a media manager i find i need | 15:55 |
| lcuk | does anyone store media anywhere other than ~/My Docs; /media/mmc1; /media/mmc2 ? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk, are you going to best canola? | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | no, but to get the best ui for my sketch files i find that i can display images in the same way, and when i think about it i can throw in .text documents for free and view them with the reader element | 15:59 |
| lardman | what about throwing in audio and video files too...? :) | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | and so its not much further to do av | 15:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, you took the words out of my mouth | 15:59 |
| lardman | go lcuk! | 15:59 |
| lardman | I'll buy you some bacon in Berlin, if they do bacon that is... :) | 16:00 |
| lcuk | the thing is, my sketch folder has ~1000 items, im sorting and listing by date now and breaking into days | 16:00 |
| lardman | I've been summoned to do the washing up, bbiab | 16:00 |
| jott | lcuk ultimate goal is to replace everything and make liqos :) | 16:00 |
| RST38h | that is always the ultimate goal | 16:00 |
| lcuk | heh jott, all this is nothing new, its just i can touch this code | 16:00 |
| * RST38h has almost got full screen switch working | 16:01 | |
| RST38h | but something is swallowing keypresses | 16:01 |
| lcuk | cheap hooker? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | is this for sliderule? | 16:01 |
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| liri | RST38h: can you email me that sample project for the system tray icon? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | liri - the scratchbox hello world puts a clicker in the tray | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | at least im sure it does | 16:09 |
| timeless | gan: ping | 16:10 |
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| timeless | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#To_Be_Defined | 16:12 |
| RST38h | liri: Your email address? | 16:12 |
| timeless | is prboably what i was thinking about | 16:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yep | 16:12 |
| liri | RST38h: liran.tal@gmail.com | 16:13 |
| liri | lcuk: when you say tray do you mean the left side pane or the upper right pane? | 16:13 |
| derf | lardman: Pong. | 16:13 |
| lcuk | im sure it puts a clicker all over the place - they all just lead to a helloworld box | 16:13 |
| lcuk | ie, menu desktop system tray | 16:14 |
| liri | lcuk: I don't think it puts anything in the system tray (i.e: where the batter icon is) because I simply don't see it in the code, no reference to an icon | 16:14 |
| liri | lcuk: I saw a python code uses pixbuf function so I'm guessing I'm supposed to see that as well | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Sent | 16:15 |
| lcuk | liri, dont worry RST38h has sent you one :) | 16:15 |
| liri | heh | 16:15 |
| liri | thanks | 16:15 |
| pardsbane | Is anyone online familiar with scratchbox 2 and Maemo SDK+? | 16:16 |
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| dannym | hi :) | 16:19 |
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| crashanddie | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kung_fu_panda.jpg | 16:23 |
| dannym | crashanddie: I, for one, welcome our furry heroes O_o | 16:25 |
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| lardman | derf: I wanted to ask about 64kHz rate, and what that means? | 16:27 |
| lardman | lcuk: I was thinking of that MS demo with a large page of little icons, which can be zoomed into and each one is the entire file | 16:27 |
| derf | lardman: In what context? | 16:27 |
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| lardman | derf: in ivorbiscodec.h I have a define: #define LIMIT_TO_64kHz 1 | 16:28 |
| lcuk | lardman, ive got a zoomable sketch wiki in mind. coding time may be an issue - theres a lot of framework needed first | 16:28 |
| lardman | derf: this affects what's created in window_lookup.h: #ifndef LIMIT_TO_64kHz | 16:29 |
| lardman | static const ogg_uint16_t vwin4096[2048] = { | 16:29 |
| * lcuk has so many things to try and do and so little time | 16:29 | |
| lardman | lcuk: always the way :) | 16:29 |
| lcuk | they should all come together nicely once i get this tile ui in place | 16:29 |
| lardman | derf: and it's checked in _vorbis_unpack_info() where it's got a check that if vi->rate>=64000, return(OV_EBADHEADER); | 16:30 |
| derf | That makes very little sense. | 16:30 |
| derf | I think that's actually referring to the block size. | 16:31 |
| derf | Though maybe that particular block size is only used at higher sampling rates? But that's an encoder decision, not a decoder decision. | 16:31 |
| lardman | derf: yeah, the check is there because the extra lookup tables are too large to be placed in memory on the DSP | 16:31 |
| liri | RST38h: isn't that for the plugin framework? | 16:32 |
| lardman | derf: so currently it just refuses to decode these files, I was wondering what affect only decoding these <64kHz files will have: what does it mean for quality and are most files inside or outside this limit, etc. | 16:33 |
| lardman | s/affect/effect | 16:33 |
| derf | Well, 64kHz is rather a high sampling rate. | 16:34 |
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| lardman | ok that's good | 16:34 |
| lardman | I must have been unlucky with the new test file I chose :) | 16:35 |
| derf | But there are, d.g., DVD sources that use 96kHz sampling rates. | 16:35 |
| derf | *e.g. | 16:35 |
| lardman | ok | 16:35 |
| derf | So it's not unheard of. | 16:35 |
| lardman | I was just worried that it wouldn't be able to play many files in the wild | 16:36 |
| derf | If I had to guess, I'd say that limit was probably put in there because the original output device couldn't handle it. | 16:36 |
| lardman | fair enough | 16:36 |
| lardman | I think it may also be memory related, the lookup tables are quite large | 16:36 |
| derf | Only about 16K, right? | 16:37 |
| lardman | that's a lot of memory on a DSP! :) | 16:37 |
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| derf | I think the larger problem was the decoded audio data at that block size. | 16:38 |
| derf | Since you have to keep around a bunch of samples for overlap-add. | 16:38 |
| derf | In multiple channels. | 16:38 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:38 |
| lardman | in any case there's not enough memory allocated for static info (to handle the extra window data) in the current DSP kernel | 16:39 |
| derf | How much memory does the DSP actually have? | 16:39 |
| lardman | so I'll go with the 64kHz limit and not worry about the additional problems of the overlap stuff | 16:39 |
| lardman | DARAM is 64kB, SARAM is 96kB | 16:40 |
| derf | And these tables would go in SRAM? | 16:40 |
| lardman | yes | 16:40 |
| derf | What's taking up the other 80k? | 16:40 |
| lardman | the kernel has to keep its working memory somewhere, also the task stacks and heaps, etc. | 16:41 |
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| lardman | back in a bit | 16:42 |
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| derf | I'm out of town at the moment, so I probably won't be. | 16:42 |
| lardman|afk | no worries, thanks for your help | 16:44 |
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| pardsbane | anyone familiar with The Maemo SDK+? | 17:00 |
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| dannym | pardsbane: that depends on which part :) | 17:03 |
| pardsbane | well, I'm trying to use the SDK+ with scratchbox 2... but on a Mac... | 17:04 |
| pardsbane | I got scratchbox2 installed on the Mac, after some porting issues, but I can't figure out how to install the maemo sdk | 17:04 |
| pardsbane | I've got this file: maemo-sdk-install_4.1.sh, but it won't run, because it can't find scratchbox 1 | 17:05 |
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| dannym | pardsbane: well, that's a shell script so I guess you could edit the check out :) | 17:17 |
| dannym | pardsbane: run it with "sh -x" to find out where it is approximately :) | 17:18 |
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| pardsbane | yeah, I've been reading through the script | 17:18 |
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| pardsbane | looks like it downloads the rootstrap (which I already did), but then I'm not sure exactly what happens. | 17:19 |
| pardsbane | do you have the maemo sdk+ installed? Can you tell me what is in your sources.list file? | 17:19 |
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| Italodance | Y | 17:20 |
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| Italodance | www.maxpaynethemovie.com 22 oct 2008 :D | 17:21 |
| aquatix | wtf, een fullscreen flash thing? | 17:23 |
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| apol | is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network? | 17:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ping.... use bootmenu.d/* | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hum? | 17:31 |
| * timeless looks for a guinea pig | 17:31 | |
| lbt | instead of bootmenu add | 17:31 |
| lbt | use a bootmenu.d/ | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, that sounds sane | 17:32 |
| lbt | arrangement | 17:32 |
| lbt | and it's the debian way :) | 17:32 |
| lbt | funny what you think about over lunch... | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda thinking of having bootmenu mount mtdblock4 or something ro and get the /etc/bootmenu.d or something.. would make things flexible | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | for pre-diablo systems | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | and for diablo systems get it from /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d | 17:33 |
| lbt | I was thinking about having a kexec capable kernel and putting multiple kernels in mtdblock4 | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. fanoush was working on kexec | 17:34 |
| lbt | but yes, I see what you mean | 17:34 |
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| lbt | Why isn't initfs rw in pre-diablo? | 17:35 |
| lbt | has anyone checked? | 17:35 |
| lbt | Is it a kernel limitation? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | you can but there's just too bloody little space so there's high risk of coruption | 17:35 |
| lbt | OK | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | diablo images make initfs bigger (more safe to mess around) | 17:35 |
| lbt | eraseblock thing | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | you do any of the bootmenu deriatives or just messing about a bit? | 17:36 |
| lbt | I've been busy on other things - just thinking at the moment | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'd love a bootmenu deriative supporting a bootmenu.d | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | and maybe one that would allow for linuxrc | 17:37 |
| jott | a touchscreen based bootmenu would be nice too. | 17:37 |
| lbt | should be fairly easy - I'll look at that as a task if you can wait a few days | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | linuxrc as in skipping the "boot" procedure in linuxrc and going straight for linuxrc | 17:38 |
| lbt | jott - if you can play with kevent | 17:38 |
| lbt | to provide the input... | 17:38 |
| jott | lbt: tslib should run fine in the initfs. | 17:38 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I knew what you meant - a one line hack to initfs to run a maemo-community iinitfs sounds sane | 17:39 |
| lbt | and may get in in Nokia | 17:39 |
| lbt | jott: never come across it | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well there is if [ -e /etc/initfs.config ]; then . /initfs.config | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | fi | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | in linuxrc | 17:39 |
| jott | lbt: quiet standard abstraction layer lib for touchscreens. | 17:40 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: true | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | and initfs.config isn't in use | 17:40 |
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| lbt | not surprising since it tests for one thing and sources another.... | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: but i meant more like instead of doing the var/run and /tmp and stuff things, run a linuxrc, non-chrooted off the partition and let it chroot itself in | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | well you could make it work with an empty /etc/initfs.config and a full in /initfs.config | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | s/chroot/pivot_root | 17:42 |
| lbt | OK, I'll work on this over the next few days... | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good :) | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | the linuxrc thing would mean people would have to make less hacks to boot other distros for instance | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | so you can avoid cleaning up the mess initfs creates | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:44 |
| lbt | and it's under our control and doesn't mess too much with the Nokia std distro | 17:44 |
| lbt | and if it all stays under a single /maemo.org/ directory | 17:45 |
| lbt | then we can ask that the Diablo reflash copies /maemo.org in and runs | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:45 |
| lbt | maemo.org/post-flash | 17:45 |
| lbt | or something | 17:45 |
| lbt | then multi-boot works after a normal update | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:46 |
| apol | is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network? where can I find any info about it? | 17:46 |
| lbt | hey - it doesn't need to be LSB | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm actually inclined towards a /etc/bootmenu.d being on the internal rootfs.. because then to reapply boot menu after a initfs it would be a matter of reflashing | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | if nokia doesn't get their act together | 17:49 |
| lbt | yes - I was making some requirements notes and that was in it. | 17:50 |
| lbt | I bet /initfs.config could be made super small and just mount rootfs ro and execute the new bootmenu | 17:51 |
| timeless | lbt/jott: please? :) | 17:51 |
| timeless | guinea pigging is cheap | 17:52 |
| lbt | I'd rather think things through, then code it right ;) | 17:52 |
| lbt | were you trying to sleep? | 17:53 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1.deb | 17:53 |
| timeless | try installing that | 17:53 |
| timeless | see if you can use it to break the backup app | 17:53 |
| timeless | if it doesn't work, /msg timelyx w/ what i need to do to fix it so it does break the app | 17:53 |
| lbt | oh, OK I thought you meant something else - apologies, I'll take a look. | 17:54 |
| lbt | timeless: will it run on chinook? | 17:55 |
| lbt | s/will/should/ | 17:55 |
| infobot | lbt meant: timeless: should it run on chinook? | 17:55 |
| lbt | or diablo | 17:55 |
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| timeless | i hope so | 17:58 |
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| timeless | run is an odd word | 18:09 |
| timeless | it doesn't actually have an application :) | 18:09 |
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| lbt | I just installed it on my chinook test | 18:09 |
| lbt | and then ran backup - ticked only 'settings' | 18:09 |
| lbt | all fine :) | 18:09 |
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| lbt | doing a 'full' backup now | 18:10 |
| lbt | yep - that's fine too... | 18:11 |
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| MakeGho | Hi. Anyone know of a music tracker for n810? | 18:34 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ping | 18:42 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ping | 18:44 |
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| mikkov_ | MakeGho: this could work http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21653&highlight=tracker | 18:50 |
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| jott | ~lart qemu | 18:56 |
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| timeless | lbt: hrm, so ... did the files not get installed? | 18:56 |
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| jott | MakeGho: milkytracker is nice. http://outpo.st/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb | 18:57 |
| lbt | files? just the one I think... | 18:57 |
| MakeGho | thanks, I'll try it | 18:57 |
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| lbt | the /home/user/.bugs-maemo-3591/\#test/case file is there and the /etc/osso-backup/applications one | 18:59 |
| timeless | ok | 19:00 |
| timeless | hrm, if you run backup | 19:00 |
| timeless | and then xterminal | 19:00 |
| timeless | and from xterminal, do strace -f -p `pid-of osso-backup` | 19:00 |
| lbt | I did a backup of just 'settings' | 19:00 |
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| timeless | and then start a settings backup | 19:01 |
| timeless | does it list those two paths? | 19:01 |
| lbt | apt-get install strace doesn't work | 19:01 |
| lbt | E: Package strace has no installation candidate | 19:01 |
| lbt | what repo | 19:01 |
| lbt | I only have extras-devel on the test rootfs | 19:01 |
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| timeless | um | 19:01 |
| mikkov_ | diablo/tools or diablo/sdk | 19:02 |
| timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/s/strace/ | 19:02 |
| timeless | has it | 19:02 |
| lbt | chinook rootfs | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Oh chinook, use timeless's link then | 19:02 |
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| lbt | so it loops forever | 19:05 |
| lbt | until I kill the strace | 19:05 |
| timeless | um | 19:05 |
| lbt | then it works... | 19:05 |
| timeless | wait, err | 19:05 |
| lbt | :) | 19:05 |
| timeless | eh?! | 19:05 |
| timeless | can you pastebin a portion of the strace | 19:05 |
| lbt | well. I didn't wait forever | 19:05 |
| lbt | yup | 19:05 |
| lbt | http://slexy.org/view/s2fy9N7vud | 19:06 |
| lbt | I'm using ssh, not xterm | 19:06 |
| lbt | FWIW | 19:06 |
| timeless | lbt: so ... it actually does finish if you detach? | 19:07 |
| timeless | that doesn't make sense | 19:07 |
| lbt | yes, no | 19:07 |
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| timeless | create a #case directory containing a test file | 19:07 |
| timeless | try again | 19:07 |
| lbt | I have /media/mmc2/backups/Backup03/settings.zip | 19:08 |
| timeless | *as a sibilng of #test) | 19:08 |
| lbt | but no unzip | 19:08 |
| timeless | wait | 19:08 |
| timeless | you have microb, right? | 19:08 |
| timeless | jar:file:///media/mmc2/backups/Backup03/settings.zip!/ | 19:08 |
| timeless | ok, uninstall the package, and try installing it again | 19:10 |
| timeless | (from timeless.justdave.net i've updated the package) | 19:10 |
| lbt | err that gave me help on jar | 19:11 |
| timeless | hrm | 19:11 |
| timeless | um... | 19:11 |
| timeless | wah | 19:11 |
| lbt | typo | 19:11 |
| lbt | too few /s probably | 19:11 |
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| timeless | just jar:file://{unixpath}!/ | 19:11 |
| timeless | you can start by typing '/' into the addressbar | 19:12 |
| timeless | and then clicking to browse to the file | 19:12 |
| lbt | got it.. | 19:12 |
| timeless | from the parent of the zip, csm copy link | 19:12 |
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| lbt | #test contains case contains hello | 19:12 |
| lbt | not used jar: syntax b4 | 19:13 |
| timeless | it's a gecko syntax | 19:13 |
| lbt | 'k | 19:13 |
| lbt | so anyway, the file was backed up - this is the interrupted strace | 19:13 |
| timeless | ok, uninstall the package | 19:13 |
| timeless | go back to my web server and install again | 19:14 |
| timeless | and try again | 19:14 |
| lbt | tum te tum... | 19:14 |
| lbt | same version? | 19:15 |
| timeless | yep | 19:15 |
| timeless | i'm evil :) | 19:15 |
| lcuk | rm_you, u hollered | 19:15 |
| rm_you | lol yes | 19:15 |
| * lcuk tries to focus | 19:15 | |
| rm_you | been asking about logos for a few days | 19:15 |
| rm_you | timeless, could use your opinion too :P | 19:16 |
| lcuk | have you? | 19:16 |
| rm_you | I'm thinking about making shirts with these logos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo_org_logo_contest_narbat_12.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_5.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_setan666_1.png | 19:16 |
| rm_you | i need like three more suggestions | 19:16 |
| timeless | of what? | 19:16 |
| lbt | oooh | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | http://hopetracker.donthax.me/ -- Hope 2008 Torrent | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | so this is a sub-logo contest and we are all on the panel? | 19:17 |
| lbt | it didn't like that... | 19:17 |
| timeless | ok, someone nearby prefers the butterfly | 19:17 |
| timeless | saying "it's cute" | 19:17 |
| timeless | wait, you want *more* shirts to add to the list? | 19:17 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:17 | |
| lcuk | but girls arent comin to the summit (are they?) | 19:18 |
| lbt | [underscore was in my list] | 19:18 |
| lcuk | or was that your affeminate side timeless | 19:18 |
| timeless | lcuk: it wasn't me, i found a random female and asked | 19:18 |
| lbt | binoculars!!! | 19:18 |
| lcuk | underscore wins for being the closest to a nipple | 19:18 |
| lbt | you didn't see the madonna logo then... | 19:19 |
| lcuk | :D heh no | 19:19 |
| timeless | wait, we're the list of options? | 19:19 |
| timeless | oh, nm, got em | 19:19 |
| lbt | anyhow timeless that killed it | 19:20 |
| fred | Hi - why is $XDG_DATA_HOME set to /usr/share/mime on Diablo? | 19:21 |
| fred | According to the spec (and what many apps expect), this is for user-specific data files | 19:21 |
| fred | and the 'user' user doesn't have write access to that location | 19:21 |
| lcuk | i like this one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_deadknight88_5-dashed2.png | 19:21 |
| lbt | lcuk : http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_chall3ng3r_3.png | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | big mac anyone? | 19:22 |
| lcuk | i think more of Mmmmmmmmmmm I'm lovin it! | 19:22 |
| lbt | after a while you see mickey mouse ears on the golden arches | 19:22 |
| lcuk | The nipples are more like comical mickey mouse ears :D | 19:22 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:22 |
| lbt | if you aren't getting any then it's nipples | 19:22 |
| pardsbane | does anyone know why I get "could not open lock file" when I run apt-get in scratchbox 2? | 19:22 |
| lbt | not saying which judge saw the nipples... | 19:22 |
| lbt | pardsbane: fakeroot? | 19:23 |
| lbt | timeless: ping if you need me | 19:23 |
| pardsbane | hum, don't think I'm supposed to be using fakeroot yet | 19:24 |
| fred | ah, there's a bug filed | 19:25 |
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| pardsbane | wierd, I think I messed up my IRC terminal | 19:30 |
| timeless | ok, one vote for: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/d/da/Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png/300px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png | 19:32 |
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| timeless | maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/images/3/39/Maemo.org_logo_contest_peres_2.png | 19:34 |
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| Kegetys | that looks like maemo would be a tetris game | 19:41 |
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| timeless | ok, one vote for: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/d/da/Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png/300px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.conf.txt , http://rafb.net/p/0SMHzT81.html (bootmenu.d) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | it only adds like a sec or two to boot process to mount mtdblock4 and unmount it again :P | 19:56 |
| lbt | maybe have a *tiny* /initfs.config that simply mounts mtd4 ro and then runs from there... | 19:57 |
| lbt | then installing multiboot becomes a touch of a file and a copy of a tiny one... | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, yeah, but there is a risk of a corrupt mtdblock4 atleast | 19:57 |
| lbt | which means you use the same install process on all tablets | 19:57 |
| lbt | well, no editing of files - so no erase | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 19:57 |
| lbt | just a create of a dir entry | 19:58 |
| lbt | and a *tiny* file | 19:58 |
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| lbt | (dir entry is the /etc/config that is tested for and the tiny file is the /config that is sourced) | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | hmm.. string injection | 20:03 |
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| apol | is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network? where can I find any info about it? | 20:14 |
| lbt | apol: if you control the dhcp server then you can do it there | 20:14 |
| apol | hmmm | 20:15 |
| apol | so i have to configure the dhcp server? isn't it possible to do from the gui? | 20:15 |
| jott | apol: you can go to the connection settings | 20:15 |
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| lbt | or by script in somewhere like /etc/network/if-up.d/ you could maybe test for ip allocation and do stuff | 20:16 |
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| lbt | (I assume you're not looking for a gui) | 20:16 |
| apol | i don't really care if it is in gui, but I need to be able to select a dns for certain connections | 20:17 |
| mikkov_ | jott: same problem with cmake as I had ;) | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | apol, yeah, it's possible | 20:18 |
| lbt | well, /etc/network would be a good place to start looking - then hack /etc/resolv.conf - possibly have 3 or 4 resolv.conf files and symlink in the one you need | 20:18 |
| lbt | I used to do that when I varied dialup providers | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | apol, disconnect, connection settings -> connections -> select connection -> edit -> tap next 3 times; tap advanced -> ip adresses tab, uncheck "auto-retrieve DNS" | 20:19 |
| lbt | or do that :D | 20:20 |
| apol | crashanddie: that was cool | 20:20 |
| apol | xD | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | gah, screwed up my initfs :P | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps finds his usb cable | 20:21 | |
| lbt | <grin> | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you did make a backup with mtd-tools right? :P | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | anyway, gtg, byw | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | bye even | 20:22 |
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| KucukMubasir | which language is preferred for maeme :S c or c++ ? | 21:06 |
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| KucukMubasir | *maemo | 21:06 |
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| KucukMubasir | is qt used with maemo? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | you can use whatever you like | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | qt community edition is underway, but most current stuff is gtk | 21:12 |
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| eichi | is there no way to activate bluetooth faster then going to the control center? | 21:16 |
| KucukMubasir | isn't there any "the most efficient/suitable language for maemo development"? | 21:16 |
| rm_you | wheee, back | 21:17 |
| rm_you | got called away for house chores | 21:17 |
| KucukMubasir | which would you advice me to use ? python or C++ for maemo development? | 21:17 |
| rm_you | anywho, i also like the one you suggested lcuk, will add that to the list | 21:17 |
| rm_you | timeless, any suggestions to ADD? :P | 21:17 |
| lcuk | KucukMubasir, just write in what you are happiest with, if thats c (like me) great, if thats c++ (like others) great, if you find python acceptable, thats ok as well | 21:17 |
| lcuk | KucukMubasir, its your decision :) | 21:18 |
| rm_you | i want to have a different maemo shirt for each day i'm in berlin | 21:18 |
| rm_you | i thought the c++ bindings for some things were still a bit iffy | 21:18 |
| rm_you | same with python | 21:18 |
| lcuk | depends what you are doing | 21:18 |
| KucukMubasir | lcuk: so there isn't any difference in terms of efficiency among the languages? | 21:18 |
| rm_you | KucukMubasir: oh, there is | 21:18 |
| rm_you | C is best | 21:18 |
| rm_you | python is probably slowest... | 21:18 |
| KucukMubasir | ok that's what i am looking for | 21:18 |
| rm_you | C++ in the middle | 21:18 |
| rm_you | that has nothing to do with platform, that's true everywhere you look | 21:19 |
| lcuk | but thats not maemo, thats worldwide | 21:19 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes :p | 21:19 |
| rm_you | you said that much more succinctly :) | 21:19 |
| KucukMubasir | so there isn't any specific language like other platforms; for instance, if your are to develop symbiand or qt you must prefer c++ ? | 21:19 |
| jaska | symbians idea of c++ is... rather perverse | 21:20 |
| lcuk | "i would like to develop and deploy a desktop applet written in brainf*ck, could you point me to the bindings file" | 21:20 |
| KucukMubasir | jaska why do you say so? | 21:20 |
| glass_ | because it's true | 21:20 |
| glass_ | as the flavor isn't the same as on anything else.. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | because c++ can be taken so many different ways some are more perverse and abusive and further away from sensible c than others | 21:21 |
| rm_you | cmon people, i need more suggestions for maemo logos to put on shirts | 21:21 |
| rm_you | also... are there, err.... legal issues if I put contest submission logos on shirts and then sell a few at the summit? >_> | 21:22 |
| lcuk | yes, so design your own | 21:22 |
| lcuk | make an xkcd variation | 21:22 |
| rm_you | it would be cheaper (and i think helpful for other people, actually) to buy a few more shirts of each and then sell them basically for cost | 21:22 |
| lcuk | make one with a fat penguin | 21:23 |
| rm_you | what license are the submitted logos under? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | submitted under the "anyone can print t-shirts with these designs except for rm_you" license | 21:24 |
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| GAN800 | timeless, my read from that is that's the branding issue with MicroB versus 'Mozilla based browser for Maemo' rather than MicroB's usage of the Maemo/maemo.org branding. | 21:26 |
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| GAN800 | He's kidding, right? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 | 21:30 |
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| lbt | rm_you: I thought all the logos were submitted as CC | 21:32 |
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| GAN800 | Somebody please tell me he's joking. | 21:34 |
| GAN800 | The 'MSIE 7' isn't encouraging. | 21:35 |
| rm_you | do they become property of maemo.org or are they Creative Commons or what | 21:36 |
| rm_you | ah | 21:36 |
| rm_you | yeah | 21:36 |
| jott | mikkov_: i wonder if it's the fault of qemu that cmakes breaks :/ | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i almost have a bootmenu.sh ready with linuxrc support | 21:41 |
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| * GAN800 notices timeless in the Recent changes page and chuckles. | 21:46 | |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I thought you'd be too impatient to wait for me ;) | 21:49 |
| lbt | happy to try it out though... | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: meh, i was bored :P | 21:49 |
| lbt | <grin> | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 21:58 |
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| Italodance | ! | 22:22 |
| Italodance | nokia | 22:22 |
| Italodance | should do it | 22:22 |
| Italodance | now | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | .. | 22:26 |
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| XTL | nokia should moo now? | 22:34 |
| BULLE | m00 | 22:35 |
| Toba__ | m00. | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.d-and-linuxrc.patch.txt | 22:38 |
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| mikkov_ | jott: I think cmake problem is dependency issue, because I have it working locally. Though I had to install sb to Debian because on Fedora it didn't work | 22:45 |
| mikkov_ | but I really didn't need cmake, so I just dropped investigating | 22:45 |
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| jott | mikkov_: with a clean sbox target it still compiles .. | 22:47 |
| profoX` | Hi... I wanted to try and run mplayer in a scratchbox environment, and I added the repo containing mplayer and apt-get updated, but apt-cache search mplayer doesn't find anything, what could be wrong there | 22:47 |
| mikkov_ | jott: autobuilder isn't clean sbox target :) | 22:47 |
| jott | mikkov_: well let's see, i just pushed cmake 2.6.1 | 22:47 |
| mikkov_ | profoX: are sure about the right repo? | 22:49 |
| jott | mikkov_: and the tests results for curl are the same on my local machine :/ | 22:49 |
| profoX` | mikkov_: well, the only thing I can think of is that mplayer is only in the chinook repo and not in the diablo repo | 22:50 |
| mikkov_ | profoX: what did you excatly add to sources.listÃ? | 22:51 |
| jott | hm same error.. | 22:51 |
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| profoX` | mikkov_: http://rafb.net/p/7ic6fZ88.html | 22:52 |
| mikkov_ | jott: 2.6.1 works on your local sbox? | 22:52 |
| jott | yes | 22:52 |
| mikkov_ | autobuilder is missing something, but what, that is the question :) | 22:53 |
| jott | yeah. maybe #cmake folks have an idea :) | 22:53 |
| mikkov_ | profoX: did you apt-get update? | 22:56 |
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| profoX` | mikkov_: yes | 22:56 |
| mikkov_ | profoX: I seem to have the problem as you ;). mplayer is in diablo repo, but apt-get cabn't find it from sb... | 22:58 |
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| jott | was there some tutorial on how to get the same env as the autobuilder? | 23:00 |
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| mikkov_ | jott: at least I haven't heard of any tutorial :) or actually of any real doc about autobuilder environment | 23:01 |
| jott | such a problem is utterly hard to trace :( | 23:02 |
| mikkov_ | maybe we could request for autobuilder image | 23:02 |
| GAN800 | Anybody check the garage project page? | 23:03 |
| mikkov_ | hmm, what is the project name? | 23:04 |
| GAN800 | Google it | 23:04 |
| mikkov_ | is it cauldron? | 23:04 |
| mikkov_ | extras-cauldron | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | probably | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | I don't recall | 23:05 |
| mikkov_ | extras-cauldron is related, but don't know if it really about autobuilder | 23:06 |
| jott | i think it just handle the queue | 23:07 |
| jott | not the building | 23:07 |
| jott | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=extras-cauldron | 23:07 |
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| mikkov_ | is mud-builder related to autobuilder? | 23:08 |
| jott | i think mud-builder just helps pushing stuff to the builder | 23:09 |
| jott | it seems to be "sbdmock" that is used to build | 23:09 |
| jott | but the source snapshot seems rather old :/ | 23:10 |
| mikkov_ | you could add some fancy package reporting to debian/rules :) | 23:10 |
| mikkov_ | print dpkg -l | 23:11 |
| jott | :) | 23:11 |
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| jott | mm. sbdmock just dumps the sdk rootstrap. | 23:12 |
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| V13 | Am I missing something? : Reinstallation of osso-software-version-unlocked is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 23:16 |
| V13 | (hi :) | 23:16 |
| V13 | Reinstallation of osso-software-version-rx34 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 23:17 |
| V13 | (n800 + os2008 + somehow failed SSU) | 23:17 |
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| * pahartik seems to recall that "osso-software-version" needed to be removed before "dpkg --purge macromedia-flashplayer" succeeded | 23:20 | |
| V13 | ? | 23:20 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | hi, there! | 23:36 |
| hvelarde|stealth | I'm pretty new to the maemo stuff | 23:37 |
| hvelarde|stealth | I just bought a N810 and I upgraded it to Diablo | 23:37 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | I want to install the USB Control applet, but it gives me an error | 23:37 |
| hvelarde|stealth | does this applet runs on Diablo? | 23:38 |
| jott | hvelarde|stealth: what is the error? | 23:38 |
| BULLE | hvelarde|stealth: i run diablo, and i have maemo-control-usb installed | 23:39 |
| hvelarde|stealth | let me try again, jott | 23:39 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | let me see guys | 23:39 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | well, I will try to translate the message because it's in spanish | 23:41 |
| hvelarde|stealth | is says something like: Impossible to install usbcontrol; incompatible application package | 23:42 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | BULLE: did you installed from the maemo's web site? | 23:43 |
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| BULLE | hvelarde|stealth: nah, i just used the application manager | 23:44 |
| BULLE | hvelarde|stealth: the links on the maemo website tend not to work for me, well, no one have so far | 23:44 |
| BULLE | hvelarde|stealth: the "click here to install" links | 23:44 |
| hvelarde|stealth | BULLE: is the maemo-control-usb the same thing? | 23:45 |
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| hvelarde|stealth | i have that one installed, but it works for usb networking, not to change the usb mode on the tablet | 23:46 |
| BULLE | oh, no idea | 23:46 |
| BULLE | i thought they were the same | 23:46 |
| BULLE | apparently they are not | 23:46 |
| hvelarde|stealth | no, they aren't | 23:46 |
| GAN800 | V13, did you get an answer? | 23:46 |
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| CptLaptop | so i hear the fedora package system is gay. comments? | 23:47 |
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| BULLE | CptLaptop: yes of course its gay, no go troll somewhere else | 23:47 |
| CptLaptop | im seriosu | 23:48 |
| BULLE | CptLaptop: me to | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | When SSU was installed, it also installed nokia-repositories which changed the the tableteer upgrade repo to diablo-1/ instead of diablo/. | 23:48 |
| CptLaptop | im not trolling, im asking if its really bad vs debian | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | CptLaptop, it's only gay for you. ;) | 23:48 |
| BULLE | CptLaptop: no its not, its comparable, and superior in some ways, but in most circumstances they are pretty comparable | 23:49 |
| CptLaptop | apaprently not since the guy who advised against it isnt me :p | 23:49 |
| GAN800 | No, it only loves you. :P | 23:49 |
| mikkov_ | rpm vs deb debate is useless... | 23:49 |
| jott | you find some other guy who will claim the contrary :/ | 23:49 |
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| CptLaptop | lol true | 23:50 |
| CptLaptop | if everyone hated it it wouldnt exist | 23:50 |
| robtaylor | in gneral, i think its easier to do packaging with rpm than deb | 23:52 |
| robtaylor | but less flexible | 23:52 |
| robtaylor | both suck in a myriad of ways | 23:52 |
| robtaylor | but in the end its not the package format that's important, but the community that does the packaging | 23:53 |
| robtaylor | and both communities have their strengths and weaknesses | 23:54 |
| CptLaptop | im asking because im half considering an acer aspire one. of course even if fedora isnt gay afterall, that doesnt help the fact linpus lite is | 23:54 |
| lcuk | speaking of packaging, can i use an msi built with installshield on maemo? | 23:55 |
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| mikkov_ | can't you install any linux distro to aspire one? | 23:56 |
| jott | mikkov_: still fails and packages are not different :( | 23:56 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, only if you install my superawesomehax.deb first; | 23:56 |
| V13 | gan800 nope but I found something on the forum (page 28 :) | 23:57 |
| V13 | but still can't doit | 23:57 |
| lcuk | GAN800, :D | 23:57 |
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| GAN800 | V13, then you didn't do it right | 23:57 |
| GAN800 | Post by GeneralAntilles? | 23:58 |
| V13 | I mean.. i found what happens | 23:58 |
| V13 | but I'm stuck | 23:58 |
| CptLaptop | mikkov_: linpus lite is tailored for the hardware, apaprently people have tried ubuntu and had it hang and stuff like that | 23:58 |
| mikkov_ | jott: dpkg -l ;) | 23:58 |
| jott | yes | 23:58 |
| jott | :) | 23:58 |
| V13 | situation is like this: apt-get upgrade from ssh for feature upgrade, ssh stoped, upgrade seemed to finished, flashed n800 (boot from sd) | 23:58 |
| V13 | but after rebooting, the sd won't boot | 23:59 |
| mikkov_ | need to save that print :) | 23:59 |
| jott | and i removed the debian patches. | 23:59 |
| jott | mikkov_: it's really just the rootstrap | 23:59 |
| jott | with gawk installed | 23:59 |
| V13 | it stays on the boot screen (the blue bar and the nokia logo) | 23:59 |
| mikkov_ | ok | 23:59 |
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| GAN800 | V13, DO NOT apt-get upgrade with a broken osso-software-versiom | 23:59 |
| V13 | i booted in internal memory, upgraded, reflashed but same thing.. | 23:59 |
| V13 | gan ? | 23:59 |
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