IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-08-16

RST38hkill kill destroy00:00
RST38hwhy would gtk+ crash with floating point exception (!) when I click on the menu icon?00:00
pupnik  << FemBots from the Bionic Woman (scared me to nightmares as a kid)00:01
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RST38hHillary was the original fembot though00:04
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Proteoushumina humina00:45
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RST38hhildon menu problem fixed!00:52
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bef0rdRST38h, have you tried getting the 'menu' key working? it doesn't popup the menu on ines00:56
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RST38hbef0rd: it is not a bug. it is a feature.01:01
RST38h"menu" button works as fast-forward in my emulators01:01
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chrisa_Hey All, anybody got time to answer a silly question from a complete newbie?01:10
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chrisa_I want to start developing on maemo using python and I was wondering how easy it would be to use a orm like sqlalchemy or sqlobject.01:11
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lmourachrisa_, there's also storm01:15
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chrisa_thanks lmoura, so there isn't any difficulty deploying the application and it's dependancies?01:49
lmouraAFAIK, no, as storm is available for maemo01:49
chrisa_thanks again, I am pretty familiar with these tools and libs, I am just brand spanking new to maemo.01:51
pupnikwell you've come to the right place for ... er wait.  no this isn't that ..nm01:52
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* pupnik tosses jott a brew02:16
pupnik#maemo-stammtisch is now open for bizness02:17
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GeneralAntillesHopefully this backordered Beagle comes in sooner than later.02:47
iXceone more stupid question: is it safe to use chinook extras repos on diablo? (or should I rather try porting chinook packages to diablo?)02:49
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jottiXce: it "should" be safe, but it would be even better to bring the missing packages to diablo extras :)02:51
iXceokai :)02:51
iXcegettin scratchbox up & running takes ages :(02:52
jotton debian based 32bit systems it's straight forward :)02:52
iXceit's definitely super easy, but it takes time to be done (downloading + installing packages)02:54
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jottwax your modem :P02:55
iXceand my hard drive disk :p02:55
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lardmannight all03:00
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pupnikgot a nice new online game port candidate03:10
pupnikonline role playing and space conquest games:
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chrisa_Anybody had any luck running scratchbox in a vm?  I run a 64 bit linux and it seem like it would be much easier to just use a vm.03:18
bef0rdthere is already a vm available with sbox installed03:19
jottbut a chroot would be easier and faster i guess..03:19
jottwell easier is arguable :)03:19
* bef0rd tries to guess the url03:19
bef0rdnop, failed03:20 :)03:20
nelsonmy n810's charging circuit went wonky.03:22
nelsonhad to pull the battery for many hours.03:22
nelsonknown problem?03:22
iXcemm, is screen rotation going to be included in a future official kernel?03:26
bef0rdthere is a bug on asking to get it included03:27
iXceokai thanks03:28
bef0rdI suppose, the more people to vote it, there are more possibilities03:28
iXceyeah, I'm going to find it and vote for it :)03:28
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iXcethanks :) (I had found it myself, there are only two bugs which match "rotation")03:30
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* bef0rd is going to vote it too03:31
bef0rdTotal votes: 1203:33
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bef0rdjott could add a little update on his site to make the people vote for the bug :p03:38
iXcehm, to port a package from chinook to diablo, all I have to do is ensure it and its dependencies build and actually work, bump their package version for diablo and submit them to the extras builder, and in case there's a problem fix it, right?03:42
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nomisiXce: yes.03:45
iXcekai thanks03:45
Kegetyshm, why does omweather update ask you to restart the device03:52
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jottbef0rd: i linked the bug on my original page :)04:02
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bef0rdjott, isn't this your site
bef0rdoh, I meant that one hehe, since its the first result for "maemo screen rotation" :P04:08
jottyeah it has the bug link now :)04:10
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* sp3000 finds a bit odd04:10
* jott finds the whole current karma system odd :p04:11
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bef0rdjott, cool, thanks04:12
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iXcehmm, when I try to install the .deb of the lib I just built, my n810 tells me "Incompatible application package", yet I can dpkg -i it, is there a clear explanation on why it does that please?04:40
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iXcethe .po file indicates "# The package is incompatible because it is not a user package, but a system package, or it is otherwise incompatible with the device.", are libs considered "system" packages?04:43
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mikkov_application manager will directly install only packages with category user/something04:52
mikkov_so your package is fine, because libs are installed as depencies04:53
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iXceokai thanks :)04:54
iXceso battlegweled 0.9 is perfectly fine for diablo extras04:55
ProteousDON'T DO IT!!04:56
pupnikThree Words:  Scorched3D on N9x004:56
Proteouswhen you install battlegweled instantly you have no more free time for anything04:56
Proteousyour wife leaves you,  your friends give up on you04:57
Proteousit's like a curse04:57
Proteousdon't do it04:57
pupnikor you can resolve to be defeated by level N after time t.04:57
GAN800pupnik, you see the opengl mention on
pupniknope, thanks04:58
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* GAN800 is crossing his fingers for good things to come.04:58
* GAN800 just ordered his beagle today.04:58
pupnikwhat opengl mention04:59
pupnikwe knew the 3430 (and later the 3530) had powervr for many months04:59
GAN800Left-hand column04:59
iXceProteous: definitely :p04:59
GAN800Well, sure, but the driver situation has never really been clear.04:59
GAN800With Beagle advertising it right there, things are a little more 'sure'.05:00
GAN800I want to build a wood case for it.05:01
GeneralAntillesActually, hacking it into a 19" Samnsung LCD sounds more intersting05:03
mikkov_i have played 3d pong with n800 at 0.1 fps05:03
mikkov_pretty hard05:03
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GeneralAntilles"Didn't you hear? This is Samsung's new $200 Linux all-in-one machine!05:04
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pupnik"OpenGLĀ© ES 2.0 capable 2D/3D graphics accelerator"05:04
pupnikthat's not exactly OpenGL itself, is it :)05:04
pupnikbut i did talk to the TI guy at linuxtag05:05
pupnikand everything he said pointed to opengl available to the hobbyists05:05
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jottwell it really depends on how good the powervr drivers are.05:07
jottso like trouble with new kernel versions etc.05:07
lcukpandora still hasnt got drivers has it05:07
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pupniki have no info on that05:08
jottthere are demos clearly using opengl es, but that does not mean that they are avialable to a broader audience.05:08
lcuk   "Quake2 running in software mode (not using the 3D hardware yet, but still pushing 60fps)."05:08
* lcuk keeps his eyes out for such details05:09
GeneralAntillesI need to pick up an SDIO wifi card05:10
lcukGeneralAntilles, that samsung would be nice if it was touchscreen05:10
GeneralAntillesI could get a 15" LCD with touch for about $25005:11
lcukbut you need an additional computer ontop05:11
GeneralAntillesActually, it would make an interesting carputer05:12
GeneralAntillesmuch more doable than the Mac Mini05:12
GeneralAntillesAdditional computer?05:12
GeneralAntillesThe Beagle is the computer.05:12
lcukthe samsung is all in one, that is the thing05:15
GeneralAntillesThe Samsung would only be an all-in-one if I stuck a Beagle in there05:16
GeneralAntillesThat was my point.05:16
lcuk   <<< samsung all in one.  isnt that what you were on about05:17
GeneralAntilleslol, no05:17
GeneralAntillesI didn't even know they made an all-in-one05:17
GeneralAntillesI was saying I was going to hack the Beagle into a 19" Samsung LCD and turn it into an all-in-one computer05:17
lcukwell samsung have beat you to it :P05:17
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summatusmentisbeagleboards are tiny, I didn't know they were that small05:20
* jott just had to make himself a delicious bagel with all this beagle talking05:21
summatusmentisbagel?!? :( I miss bagels05:22
n800nmister bagels05:23
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, it's an N810 without a screen or case.05:24
summatusmentissame identical board? I'm checking the site now05:25
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jottsummatusmentis: yes, with cream cheese, ham, salad, tomatoes and sliced cheese :)05:25
summatusmentisjott: that sounds awesome, minues the hame05:25
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, not identical05:25
GeneralAntillesbut roughly analogous05:25
GeneralAntillesInstead of OMAP242005:25
GeneralAntillesFewer extra chip (no BT or wifi) and more ports.05:26
jottsummatusmentis: vegetarian? :)05:26
summatusmentisjott: yep05:26
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: they're kinda cool05:26
summatusmentisI have way too many small arm based machines now05:26
jottwell maybe i make another one without ham just for you :p05:26
summatusmentisjott: but... DCC SEND it?05:27
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teamcobrahey all05:27
jottisn't there a bagel over ip rfc?!05:27
jotthello teamcobra05:27
* GeneralAntilles wishes he had an extra LCD around to put on this computer.05:27
teamcobrahi jott :)05:28
* teamcobra doesn't have any lcd's... just crt's05:28
teamcobraother than the laptops05:28
jottGeneralAntilles: cannibalize one of your 770s :>05:28
jottwould be an awesome mod, beagleboard in 770 :)05:29
teamcobrahahahaha.... antilles, you impressed with your beagleboard?05:29
teamcobraI'm veery close to buying one05:29
summatusmentisbuy me one?05:30
pupnikdid you bake the bagels yourself jott?  or buy them in berlin?05:30
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teamcobrasummatusmentis, I _wish_ I could pay for a fleet of them05:32
summatusmentisteamcobra: I've got two zaurii, and an n810, plus my centro05:32
summatusmentisnot buying anymore hardware (except maybe a FreeRunner or OLPC) :-D05:33
GeneralAntillesteamcobra, I just ordered one.05:33
iXceis there an index of packages (and more specifically libs) like, but for maemo?05:34
teamcobraantilles: the missing usb ehci is the one gotcha for me05:34
jottpupnik: i bought just the bread and put the stuff on myself. but you can get ready beagles here too.05:35
GeneralAntillesteamcobra, wait until November05:35
GeneralAntillesiXce, ferenc is working on one.05:36
teamcobraantilles: but I love the bleeding edge :/05:36
teamcobraI'm torn ;p05:36
iXceGeneralAntilles: okai :o05:36
jottready beagles nice freudian slippery :)05:36
pupnikjott: i have to make my own here...05:36
teamcobraI mean, it _can_ be worked around for the most part05:36
iXcenext question: is there someone with a chinook setup who can tell where I could get python-gdbm source package? :o05:37
jottpupnik: you don't even get the bread?05:37
pupniki think EinsA has some - haven't found em yet05:38
pupnikbut they're so good fresh when you make em yerself05:38
pupniki was the hit at a party with bagels+sourcream+lachs05:38
jotthehe yeah well hard to beat when everything is homemade :)05:39
jottbut the bread is fine too when you put it in the oven for a few minutes.05:39
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jottiXce: apt-get source does not help?! :)05:39
pupnikoh yes you're right05:39
iXcejott: well, I only have diablo and diablo doesn't know about python-gdbm05:40
iXceand it's not at all in, yet it's required as a build-dep for avahi05:42
iXcehmm, this seems to point that the package was already broken in chinook
jottiXce: looks like you have to push a python-gdbm package to extras first..05:47
iXcejott: yeah05:48
iXcejott: though this looks to be a _bad_ workaround, the changelog says it fixes
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pupnikthere should be an international Bill Hicks soundalike competition for comics06:13
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mikkov_iXce: how about this:
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rm_youMy computer should arrive tomorrow07:00
rm_youso i have a real machine07:00
rm_youand internet will hopefully be STABLE by then <_<07:00
GAN800rm_you the transient.07:00
rm_youmoved back to school >_> moving sux07:01
rm_youyet involves tasty tacos07:01
rm_youand pizza07:01
rm_youand alcohol07:02
rm_youso i guess itz alright07:02
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GAN800Good, that means it's time to figure out libconic. :P07:03
GAN800lulz for me, pain and suffering for you. :D07:04
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GAN800rm_you, I ordered a Beagle.07:05
rm_youlol cool07:05
rm_youhow much are they07:05
GAN800I want to get some port extension cables so I can start working on a case07:06
robinkrm_you: They're $150.07:06
rm_youif i were not poor07:06
* robink wants a $1000 dev board.07:07
robink...but I'll probably go with the BeagleBoard.07:07
rm_youand tryin to buy 5x 1Tb hard drives07:07
robinkrm_you: Woah.07:07
robinkrm_you: Why not go with 750GB?07:07
* GAN800 needs storage07:07
* robink could use some storage as well.07:07
rm_youraid5 4tb07:07
rm_you== 5 1tb drives07:07
robinkrm_you: Why do you need 4tb?07:08
GAN800Stripe them first for fun. :P07:08
rm_youmy 1.5 tb is ridiculously full ATM07:08
rm_youand i would prolly fill 4Tb in like07:08
rm_youa week07:08
rm_youor less07:08
rm_youbluray rips are like 5gb >_>07:08
rm_youi mean07:09
rm_youi only download legal content07:09
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smackpotatowhat can be done with a beagle board07:10
GAN800Anything you can do with a low power computer.07:11
smackpotatoid by one if it wasnt for the fact that my pic project has been draging on for 5 years07:11
GAN800Think of it like an ARM Via board.07:12
GAN800. . . nevermind07:13
* robink wants a multilib profile for sparc6407:15
robinkRather, a sparc64 multilib profile for Gentoo.07:15
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robinkARM doesn't need multilib yet, which is nice.07:16
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robinkHello teamcobra.07:17
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pupnik  "Linux: A true Story"07:31
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Mace_anybody here use goaddy certs?07:43
GeneralAntillesew godaddy07:43
Mace_well. they're cheaper than most07:43
Mace_i just need one for my home mail server so i quit getting jacked up cert errors on things07:44
Mace_like my n800 and my n95 (especially the n95)07:44
Mace_the n95 won't let me install the cert to bypass the error so i can't just set it up to automatically grab the mail off my zimbra server at home07:44
GeneralAntillesWith all things internet, you get what you pay for. ;)07:44
Mace_well.. the n95 supports (class 2) goaddy certs07:44
Mace_was wondering how the hell you can tell the difference07:45
Mace_i would figure a 15/year cert would work on it.. plus ie wouldn't give me those fucked up CA errors too07:46
Mace_what a racket :)07:46
Mace_it's like homeland security07:46
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teamcobra_and not _really_ secure07:50
teamcobra_that's why there's extended ssl now07:50
teamcobra_or w/e it's called07:50
teamcobra_expensive ssl ;p07:50
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rm_yoummm bbl07:52
Mace_it is overly expensive07:53
Mace_the extended is just another racket haha07:53
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Mace_yeah companies have to jump through hoops for validation for the extended certs.. but they are way overpriced07:53
Mace_and all you REALLY gain from it is a green ie address bar haha07:54
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mshGeneralAntilles: not really with certs - you get as much security as the cheapest company provides07:58
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RST38hboo all08:28
GeneralAntillesAnybody with an N810 want to reproduce this: ?08:30
bef0rdthe keyboard shortcuts seem to work, and 'find bar' and 'location bar' textbox seems to get the focus, however I can't type on them unless I click them08:35
GeneralAntillesAny change with the toolbar hidden?08:36
GeneralAntillesOr with the toolbar shown and the URL field focused?08:37
bef0rdhmm there's indeed some strange behavior08:40
bef0rdwith the location bar hidden08:42
bef0rdtype ctrl + f08:42
bef0rdit will show the find bar08:42
bef0rdclose the find bar08:42
bef0rdtype ctrl + l, and it looks like a toolbar appears, but it's not the location bar08:42
bef0rdit seems to be empty08:43
* pupnik listens to Francis E. Dec
bef0rdit only happens when you hide the find bar using the 'x' button08:43
bef0rdif you hide it with ctrl + f, ctrl + l keeps working08:43
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bef0rdheh dont' know  if that made sense :P08:46
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dmsupermanWhy is it that I can't ssh into my n800? ssh root@localhost from the n800 works, but from another machine when I enter the right password I get permission denied09:13
johnxtry ssh -v and see where it fails?09:15
dmsupermanfrom the n800 or what i'm trying to login with?09:16
johnxfrom that machine you're trying to log into the n800 with09:17
dmsupermanno errors09:17
dmsupermandebug1: Next authentication method: password09:17
dmsupermanroot@'s password:09:17
dmsupermandebug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password09:17
dmsupermanPermission denied, please try again.09:17
bef0rdhmm, try again09:19
dmsupermani have09:19
dmsupermanseveral times09:19
qwerty12try ssh -vvv09:19
dmsupermani'm 100% sure it's the right password09:19
qwerty12For me, my ssh would hang after entering the password because of this crap router. I recompiled openssh with a one line fix to packet.c and it works fine now.09:20
dmsupermanit worked for me before though09:20
dmsupermansame setup09:21
dmsupermanjust seems to have stopped working now :s09:21
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dmsupermanwhen I restart the server on the n80009:22
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dmsupermanit says could not load host key "/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key"09:23
qwerty12Did you do something with the /etc/ssh/*.conf files or the ~/.ssh?09:23
dmsupermandisabling protocol version 209:23
dmsupermani haven't done anything with them manually, no09:23
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qwerty12You may need to regenerate them :/09:25
qwerty12Well, that key file anyway. But it's a little drastic :/09:25
dmsupermanhow can I do that?09:26
qwerty12/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -q -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -t rsa (I think ?)09:26
dmsupermannvm, just reinstalled it completely with --purge09:26
dmsupermanno warning when starting09:26
dmsupermanstill can't log in09:26
dmsupermanah, weird09:29
dmsupermanit appears to ask you your password even if the host doesn't exist09:29
dmsupermani'm using the proper ip09:29
dmsupermanso perhaps it _is_ a firewall09:29
dmsupermanit is a firewall09:32
dmsupermanshouldn't be though09:32
dmsupermaneverything should be forwarded09:32
dmsupermani can't ssh from n800 to this machine either09:32
GeneralAntillesbef0rd, mind posting your findings in a comment in that bug?09:36
GeneralAntillesWith clear steps to reproduce for each issue.09:37
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Stskeepsqwerty12: would mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs, edit a 1kb file, mount -o remount,ro /mnt/initfs be damaging?09:41
qwerty12Stskeeps: No, I just did the exact same thing yesterday with a ~14KB file.09:41
dmsupermanhow can I flush the dns on my n800?09:42
Stskeepsqwerty12: someone mentioned there could be corruption due to low space / big erase block or whatever.. but aren't you on diablo?09:42
qwerty12Stskeeps: Hmm, first I've heard of corruption. Yes, I am on diablo.09:42
Stskeepsqwerty12: ah - cos they made a change regarding rw initfs i think? or is initfs mounted all the time rw?09:43
Stskeepsqwerty12: my idea was to have a bootmenu.conf toolset really, that mounts, edit bootmenu.conf, and unmounts initfs09:44
qwerty12Initfs is mounted ro. I think it may be rw before the rootfs is selected to boot. What Nokia did was chop 2MB of space off the rootfs and put it on for the initfs.09:44
Stskeepsinstead of storing stuff in CAL09:44
qwerty12It's a shame you can't fsck a jffs2 partition manually :(09:45
Cloakerhello, i have a question. Is there a GNU GCC Compiler package available that is intended to be directly installed and used on the N810 device? I want programme and compile my Programms directly on the N810 device.09:46
pupnikapt-cache search gcc |grep ^gcc09:47
pupnikor check gronmayer to find which repo has gcc09:48
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, there is a chance of corruption with a very full initfs (like with Chinook)09:48
GeneralAntillesBut you've got loads of room with Diablo if you're running stock.09:48
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: so i guess 64kb free space on file system is too low :)09:49
pupniki want to hack together larger but lightweight and cheap tablets to provide experimentally to bedridden folks09:49
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pupnik*provide internet/compy experimentally09:50
* pupnik ponders a beagleboard app09:50
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: my idea is simply to flash-once bootmenu, and then only edit the bootmenu.conf file afterwards through mount -o remount,rw, and provide a bootmenu add <title> <partition> <fs> etc09:51
GeneralAntillesBuilding a case would be a pain.09:51
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, send fanoush an email09:51
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, prolly gonna do that, he seems to know:P09:51
bef0rdGeneralAntilles, yea, no problem, let me organize that09:52
GeneralAntillesI hate it when you sit down to google something then forget what you wanted to google.09:54
Cloakerpupnik: interesting. why is the gcc package via apt visible but not via the normal programme manager?09:56
pupnikCloaker: only packages in section "user" are visible to normal (non-shell) package manager09:57
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qwerty12yep. programs with sections without user/ are only shown in red pill (which you shouldnt turn on)09:57
Cloakerpupnik: ah, good to know. Thanks09:57
Cloakeris there a maemo packet list on the internet available so that i don't have to use always apt-cache search?09:58
Cloakerqwert12: ok, and why shouldn*t i turn on red pill mode?09:59
GeneralAntillesCloaker, because you have to ask. ;)09:59
qwerty12Cloaker: unless you know what you are doing, you can kill the device09:59
GeneralAntillesand eventually packages.maemo.org09:59
pupnikand you seem averse to typing apt-cache search, which makes the desire to compile things a little odd10:00
pupnikgot a bluetooth keyboard for the tablet?  if not you can also install "synergy" to the tablet to control it with your PC keyboard+mouse10:00
Cloakerpupnik: not at the moment but i want buy a bluetooth keyboard10:01
pupnik*usually client to the tablet and server to PC10:01
pupniki usually just ssh to it10:01
qwerty12^ + vnc for me10:02
pupnikbut synergy is real nice, especially if you're filming some app interaction10:02
pupnikoh yeah vnc server is avialable also10:03
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Cloakerso when there is a way to killing the device by using the red pill mode, why then is there no repository with packages like gcc that can all be savely installed?10:03
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pupnikgcc isn't a user package, it's a developer package10:04
qwerty12Nokia expect you to use scratchbox to compile for the tablet. If you need to use a real ARMEL processor, that is what sbrsh is there for.10:04
pupnikwell jott enjoys coding on the go10:04
Cloakerpupnik: i know, but why is there no developer repository available for those, that want programme directly on the device?10:04
qwerty12jott != Nokia :P10:04
pupnikbut then having met him, i'm not at all surprised :)10:05
pupniko sorry not jott, lcuk10:05
pupnikbrain short circuit10:05
qwerty12Still won't get you gcc. They only want you to add diablo/tools10:06
Cloakerqwerty12: one of the many reasons for me to buy a N810 was the fact, that it is a very small and ultra mobile device with linux onboard a plattform where i can develop on when i am away10:06
GeneralAntillesHas anybody put together a "Developing on the tablet" guide yet?10:06
CloakerGeneralAntilles: Thanks for the the url. But there is not gcc in this repository. Could someone add a gcc package to this repository for the people that want programme directly on the device?10:08
CloakerAt least there is wget, nano, valgrind and iptuils available10:09
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StskeepsCloaker: i've had gcc running on chinook atleast10:09
Stskeepsand if you want a debian dev environment, run deblet and chroot in, unless you want to devel for maemo10:10
GracanaHmm, I never had any problems installing gcc and friends using the repositories from scratchbox.10:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: oh, i found a neat trick yesterday - you said you can't strace things in initfs?10:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: I never said it :P10:11
Stskeepsah :P10:11
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Stskeepsin any case, you can do it with strace -f chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool for instance :P10:12
Stskeepsand with ltrace too, which makes it interesting10:12
Cloakerdeblet sounds interesting. How many users are using deblet? Is this actively developed?10:16
StskeepsCloaker: no clue, but many people use deblet / debian on tablets in some degree, with chroot or whatever10:17
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Stskeepsi work on the booting deblet part mostly10:17
Stskeeps(we call it deblet not to clash with trademark issues, so :P)10:18
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CloakerStskeeps: Are there any disadvantages by using deblet native on the N810?10:18
qwerty12I still want Nokian or debia :P10:18
GeneralAntillesCloaker, the proper SDK repo contains gcc10:18
GeneralAntillesIt's right next to tools10:18
StskeepsCloaker: no sound just yet :P but it'll come eventually10:19
Stskeepshmm, Detlef made a single click Debian installer10:19
Stskeepsthat's interesting..10:19
* qwerty12 is going to kill Nokia for not releasing the kernel-diablo-source -29 yet10:21
CloakerGeneralAntilles: Isn't the SDK part of the red pill mode intendend only for scratchbox like this webpage says?
GeneralAntillesIt's not related to Red Pill10:21
pupnik'where he waded naked with his nurses'10:21
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* GeneralAntilles facepalms
pupnikGeneralAntilles: i'm making mixes with this Francis Dec... it's crazy how it works with different kinds of music10:22
* GeneralAntilles made a mix of Quim saying "Maemo" one time.10:22
qwerty12Make a video, I'll supply Quim with chains :P10:23
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GeneralAntillesI was trying to pull a pronunciation clip from his LinuxTag speech10:23
GeneralAntillesand ended up with a bunch of really short, weird sounding clips.10:24
GeneralAntillesSo I dumped 'em in Logic with a fun baseline10:24
GeneralAntillesIt was stupid, but I laughed. ;)10:24
CloakerGeneralAntilles: i get really lost in the maemo repository, could someone clarify this by editing this webpage:
GeneralAntillesUm, what exactly to clarify?10:26
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CloakerGeneralAntilles: I would like to know which repositories are only intended for the scratchbox environment and which one don't belong to the red pill. So only a list of all maemo repositories that are intended for the device10:28
GeneralAntillesForget Red Pill10:28
GeneralAntillesIt isn't relevant to that page.10:28
CloakerSo is Red Pill another repository that doesn't belong to maemo?10:29
GeneralAntillesNo. . .10:29
GeneralAntillesRed Pill is just a "break-me" mode for Application manager.10:29
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Cloakerso i can only break the application manager but not the device?10:30
Cloakerwhen using red pill mode?10:31
GeneralAntillesApplication manager is a package manager10:32
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GeneralAntillesRed Pill removes a lot of safety and sanity checks, exposing you to packages which can break your device.10:33
Cloakerthe diablo repository you mentioned above have a lot of nice packages i need (bash, bc, binutils etc.) is it save to switch now from chinook to diablo?10:33
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CloakerOk, i understand10:33
Cloakerhas diablo any disadvantages compared to chinook?10:34
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aquatixmorning all10:36
CloakerOk, that sounds good. One more question. I have the device only since a few days, so sorry when i ask to many newb questions. When i was installing some packages with the application manager i noticed with df that all packages where installed on the internal 256 MB flash RAM. Will this change with diablo so that the internal 2 GB flash RAM of the N810 is used?10:37
CloakerOr do i have to use symlinks to change this all manually?10:38
pupnikmost people use dual-boot to boot from a large partition on SD10:39
pupnikbut i use the symlink to cheat for some directories10:39
GeneralAntillesCloaker, it's not RAM10:41
GeneralAntillesThere are 3 storage places, the internal 256MB flash where the OS normally resides.10:42
GeneralAntillesThe internal 2GB card10:42
GeneralAntillesWhich is essentially a soldered-on SD card10:42
GeneralAntillesand the MiniSD slot10:42
infobotit has been said that boot-sd is
GeneralAntilles^ that's what you want.10:42
pupnikflash was considered a form of RAM, though10:42
pupnikthough it's rarely referred to as flash ram10:43
GeneralAntillesMeh, it's inappropriate and confusing to describe it as RAM10:43
Cloakerhow does dual booting look like on the N810? is there a boot menu when starting the device or is the second system booted by invoking a command within the first installed system? (for example like loadbin.exe on a pc)10:43
GeneralAntillesRAM isn't permanent storage10:43
pupnikgoogle says: Results 1 - 10 of about 672,000 for "flash ram".10:43
GeneralAntillespupnik, sure, the N810 has 128MB of "flash RAM"10:44
GeneralAntillesBut that isn't where the OS is stored.10:44
pupnikno the 128MB isn't flash ram10:44
pupnikCloaker was just referring to the 256MB internal storage10:45
GeneralAntillesWhich is inappropriate to describe as RAM.10:45
pupniksee some of the google links10:46
GeneralAntillesAnyway, whatever.10:46
Cloakeri know that Flash is not real RAM, like pupnik said i am used to say to Flash "Flash RAM"10:46
StskeepsCloaker: there's a bootmenu initfs10:46
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Cloakerdo i understand it correct that the boot menu is only showed when i am restarting the device? So i will never see it when the device is coming up from standby mode?10:49
qwerty12<<--'s favourite:
GeneralAntillesCloaker, right.10:50
Cloakergood to know. One another question what filesystem does the maemo/nokia distribution use by default?10:51
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Cloakerok, good choice. I asked because i was wondering because the manual said that it only can read SD Cards with a FAT32 filesystem. So i can use jffs2 from the beginning for the external SD Card, right?10:53
qwerty12eew. You wouldn't want to use jffs2 on a sd card. Use ext[2/3]10:54
GAN800ext2/3 for booting from the card10:54
qwerty12Fanoush is brilliant. I can finally say piss off to those "Setting voltage" messages in my dmesg.10:55
Cloakerno, i don't want boot from the external card. this one is only intended for data storage. The system should all be installed on the internal 2 GB flash drive10:55
sxpertsd cards have flash controller inside. no need for cell saving features from the FS10:55
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GAN800The 2GB is usually refered to as a 'card'10:55
Cloakerso the 256 MB flash device is the only one that is using jffs2?10:56
GAN800jffs2 is an mtdblock filesystem.10:56
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Cloakerisn't ext2 better than ext3 for the live time of the flash storage because of the journaling feature in ext3?11:01
CloakerIn the case i mess up the system on my device, is there a way to rescue the system by connecting it with an usb cable to the pc? I ask just for curiosity11:05
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GAN800Bootmenu is the answer.11:06
GAN800assuming you mean usbnet + ssh/telnet11:06
infobotit has been said that flashing is
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Cloakerso i can always rescue my system by flashing? right? As long as i don't have to ship my device to Nokia support that would be fine for me.11:10
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bef0rdalmost always11:11
Cloakeri have another question to Deblet. Does the  N810's OCR software work on Deblet?11:14
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GAN800If you screw up NOLO, it'll require factory intervention.11:17
Cloakerwhat does NOLO mean?11:18
GAN800NOkia LOader11:19
GAN800It's the bootloader.11:19
CloakerOh, ok. Is NOLO installed on the 256 MB FLASH media?11:19
GAN800In about 10KB of it, yes.11:19
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CloakerOk and there is no way to install it again when it is lost by conntecting the nokia device via USB to the PC, right?11:20
qwerty12But unless you intentionally write to /dev/mtd0 or unplug the cable while the nokia flasher is flashing nolo, the chances of nolo getting damaged are low.11:21
qwerty12+ the fact that you need tools to write to an mtd device which thankfully, the tablet does not ship with.11:22
GAN800I've heard of exactly one person writing to it and exactly zero people having issues with it from flashing.11:22
RST38hmoo, qwerty11:23
qwerty12baa, RST38h11:24
qwerty12Ooh, looks like I was wrong. Nokia don't keep the mtdblocks protected >.<11:25
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GAN800aaaand qwerty12 just wrote to the one on the N800 running :p11:26
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qwerty12lol >.<11:27
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GAN800Now the staffers are here to take him down11:27
qwerty12I'm innocent!11:28
GAN800He's a witch!11:28
CloakerDoes Diablo still use a MyDocs folder or does this now all go to /home/user?11:29
qwerty12OH NOEZ, I'm burnn...11:29
GAN800Cloaker, why would that have changed?11:29
qwerty12Cloaker: Still use a MyDocs folder. I don't think Nokia plan on breaking compatibility with the many apps hardcoded to MyDocs.11:30
Cloakerthat's sad. i really don't like this MyDocs folder. It feels somehow unclean.11:31
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Cloakerand it makes accessing the subfolders more cumbersomely when using x terminal (because of the uppercase Letter in the name, i use a symlynk now)11:32
zapWhat applications are meant to be in section user/support ?11:33
GAN800Cloaker, then don't use it11:35
GAN800zap, the section guidelines aren't really in a state enough yet to say for sure. ;)11:35
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Cloakerthe diablo repository has only a sdk and tool folder at the moment what is with the other user applications?11:39
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zapI see only a single package using user/support, and that11:41
zapis a library11:41
zapCloaker: what diablo repository you mean11:41
Cloakerthis one:  Are there more repositories?11:41
Cloakerof diablo?11:42
Cloakerwhat a mess! Why aren't the extras and extras-devel folders not in ?11:43
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zapbecause is not for end users11:44
zapand not even for the tablet11:44
zapit's for scratchbox environment (SDK)11:44
CloakerGeneral Antilles told me that i can use this repository for installing gcc on my internet tablet11:48
pupnikwoot for technology: laser-tvs to ship in 2008 (mitsubishi)11:49
pupnikthen hopefully fanless laser projection monitors11:50
pupnikno reason it can't work - dlp mirrors are cheap11:50
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trickieCloaker: you can use it get gcc, but be careful as that repository is not meant to be used on the tablet11:52
trickieso i'd remove it from the sources list when you are done with it11:53
Cloakertrickie: ok, i also want exchange busybox with bash and this repository does have the bash11:53
pupnikyes sir, i would* like a 73" full-HD 3D laser-tv11:53
trickieCloaker: thats gonna be a bit of work, and very prone to not working11:55
trickieyou will need to replace the meta-packages that define the base system11:56
trickiebusybox provides alot more than the shell11:56
bef0rdCloaker, there is bash available on extras, i suppose you are better of installing that version11:57
qwerty12Well, you can replace bash easily (using zap's bash2) but you can't replace coreutils easily :)11:57
Cloakerall i need is a colored ls ouput and some gnu-utlis11:58
qwerty12colour ls = www.nitapps.com11:58
qwerty12ok, fine11:58
zapmaemo logo on garage is borken11:59
qwerty12How do you mean, it's working for me.11:59
zaphmm, it just prints "maemo" in the top-left corner11:59
zapinstead of the graphics logo11:59
qwerty12Try ctrl-shift-r12:00
zapthis URL does not load12:00
qwerty12Oh, I'm using the standard theme12:00
zaphmm, how you do that :) I didn't switch any theme iirc12:00
pupnikbtw the maemo vmware torrent is on piratebay according to someone i just chatted with12:01
zapit must be some cookie from some other site12:01
qwerty12zap: :)12:01
qwerty12Choose your theme from there12:01
pupnikperhaps a more open-source oriented tracker would be preferable12:01
zaphehe, piratebay spreads opensource :)12:01
pupnikwell it's blocked from china12:03
qwerty12Heh, poker timer:
qwerty12China blocks a lot12:03
Cloakerqwerty12: thanks, but why does no one add color ls to the official maemo repositories? Also nano would be nice to have.12:03
zapcan it be used as a chess timer? :)12:04
pupnikbecause space is limited12:04
zapCloaker: you could do that yourself12:04
RST38hAnyone wants the latest version of Slide Rule?12:05
zapI want. What's that?12:05
nano-Cloaker: _o/12:05
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qwerty12RST38h: I've wanted that for ages :)12:06
zapcool. Is it an native app or emulated?12:08
RST38hgimme a moment to make a package...12:08
Cloakerwhen the users are forced to install from x repositories chances are high that the users get a packet conflict or even worse a trojan bye some dubious repositories. That's why it is better to have all available software in on big community distribution so that this problems can a little be avoided. An alternative would be to put gcc into the official maemo user repository, so that the users can geht the source code of their favourite app f12:08
Cloakerrom the project website itself and compile it on their tablet12:08
* qwerty12 waits for my latest preempt kernel to compile12:09
zapCloaker: congrats, you just justified the existence of the extras repository12:09
* RST38h hands Cloaker a brownie12:09
qwerty12Cloaker: if it bothers you, *you* can put it in there. It's a community repo.12:10
RST38h[with a bonus addition of weed for the wonderful idea about gcc]12:10
zap<zap> Cloaker: you could do that yourself12:10
zapthat's what I meant12:10
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RST38hIn fact, there ARE ways to maintain stable set of packages across multiple repos12:10
RST38hFor some reason, nobody even considered that though12:11
CloakerRST38h: i prefer basic calculator (bc) on all my computer devices12:11
RST38hCloaker: good boy12:11
zapbc makes you look like a geek12:11
zapa gui calculator makes you look cool12:11
zapyou choose :)12:11
bef0rdlinux makes you look like a geek12:12
qwerty12Thanks RST38h12:12
Cloakerzap: bc has a much higher precision than most of those  eye candy GUI calculators12:13
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RST38h[unfortunately, it is at best an early beta, so don't take it too seriously]12:13
RST38hBug reports greatly appreciated12:13
Cloakerzap: and bc is scriptable12:13
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RST38hClokaer: If I need a "scriptable calculator" I will use C/C++.12:13
zapCloaker: I use bc regularily, but given the awkward N810 keyboard I still would prefer some GUI for simple computations12:14
zapCloaker: and bc cannot plot graphs :)12:15
Cloakeri did't want to be offending. i only said that i prefere bc because of a couple of reasons12:15
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* zap didn't as well12:15
Cloakerzap: yes, a frontend for bc on the N810 would be nice.12:15
zapare there any?12:15
Cloakerzap: for graphs i prefer gnuplot, what else? :)12:16
RST38hCloaker: can bc take derivatives?12:16
Cloakerzap: there is a frontend for x window, but it is not intendet for the tablets, only for a normal pc12:16
zapRST38h: is that normal:
CloakerRTS38h: derivatives?12:18
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CloakerRTS38h because bc is scriptable you can feed it with any number data and you can write your own functions12:19
RST38hSo, Cloaker, can bc take symbolic derivatives?12:19
RST38hDo you know what a derivative is?12:19
zapoctave can \o/12:20
CloakerIf you can express it in a function it is possible. Here are some examples:
zapoctave == bc on steroids :)12:20
Cloakerzap: now that zap said it, yes.12:21
Cloakeri meant the f'(x) showed what you meant with derivative12:21
RST38hSo, bc can't?12:21
RST38hlet me ask a simpler question: can bc operate on ratios without converting them to floating point?12:22
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Cloackerall decimal number calculations of bc are done with integers, floating point types are not used from a programming perspective, that's why bc has such a high precision12:28
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RST38hok, that's good12:30
RST38hso ratios are there but not symbolic computations12:30
Cloackerwhat do you mean by symbolic computations?12:31
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Cloackeryou might also take a look in the gnu bc manual
zapRST38h: a bit larger buttons would be better (to avoid the stylus)12:32
_julianis there a way to change the boot logo from the default NOKIA-one to something else?12:33
_julian(on n800)12:33
zapRST38h: and autorepeat for keys (esp. for "C")12:33
Cloackerzap: this is the x window frontend for bc
RST38hzap: Can't make buttons bigger as they will obscure the paper roll12:35
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RST38hzap: Autorepeat - maybe. requires some thinking12:36
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dannymhi hi :)12:36
practisevoodoois it possible to copy file to a desktop via bluetooth from an n810?12:37
zapsure, the desktop must provide an obexftp service12:37
practisevoodoolooks like that is linux only, im after a solution for my xp machine12:39
zapRST38h: I can't get it, when I press F1 and, say, sin it will replace last line with something like sin(50000000)12:40
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zappractisevoodoo: windows xp should have the respective service out of the box12:40
zappractisevoodoo: don't you see your windows machine under the Bluetooth branch in the file manager?12:41
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Cloakerare deblet and maemo the only distributions for the n810 tablet or are there more alternatives?12:43
practisevoodoozap, no12:44
zappractisevoodoo: have you paired your computer with your tablet?12:45
practisevoodooyup, it appears in the device list12:45
qwerty12practisevoodoo: which bluetooth stack are you using?12:45
zapCloaker: Angstrom12:45
zapqwerty12: my guess is "microsoft"12:45
zapCloaker: and Mamona12:46
practisevoodoothis is where you have to go looking for drive file names?12:46
qwerty12zap: yeah, does microsoft have proper obex? I know it can send and recieve as it worked with my phone. replaced it with widcomm in the end though.12:46
practisevoodoosays, bthprops.cpl, bthport.sys, bthub.sys and fsquirt.exe12:46
* zap steals wife father's laptop12:47
RST38hzap: pressing Fx+key will take sin() of whatever the last line is12:47
RST38hzap: Where last line is either last line in the roll, OR the last line typed12:48
zapRST38h: my last line contains "1"12:48
zapand when I press "sin" it prints sin (1000000)12:48
RST38hthat's weird12:48
zapalso if I enter "1"12:48
zapand then "+1"12:48
RST38hOh I know why12:48
zapit prints 212:48
zapme too :)12:49
zapits how you store ratios, right?12:49
RST38hIt has to do with "." or "," removal12:49
RST38hI will fix it12:49
zapif I press "=" one more time (so that it converts to 1,0000000) and then enter +112:49
zapI will get 1000001 :)12:49
qwerty12Stupid phone. Crashes while untarring it's own theme file >.<12:51
zapphone? untarring?12:52
qwerty12Yeah, sony ericsson. Not a smart phone but the firmware is patched to run elfs. It stores it's themes in a tar.12:52
zapstupid windos, have to reboot just to change machine name12:53
zappractisevoodoo: okay, it works fine for me12:59
zappractisevoodoo: I have paired the devices, and now I see the laptop under "Bluetooth" branch12:59
zappractisevoodoo: when I press on it, it displays the files in the Shared Folder of the windoz, and I can copy files back and forth12:59
qwerty12~lart fspot13:00
* infobot throws fspot's poor little doggy off a cliff13:00
qwerty12~lart permissions on a web server13:00
* infobot strangles permissions on a web server with a 9-pole serial cable13:00
zapaha, I see the string "WIDCOMM Bluetooth Software"13:00
qwerty12widcomm is king13:00
zapit was on the laptop initially13:01
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qwerty12Cool, I had to "patch" my copy to work with my bluetooth stick that came with bluesoleil >.<13:02
zapbluetooth is so slooooooooooooow :)13:02
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aquatixzap: get a new bt dongle? :)13:02
aquatixstill, it's slow :/13:02
zapthat won't help :)13:03
lardmanGeneralAntilles: The maemo wiki front page appears to be blank13:03
aquatixzap: and pumping 2GB of data over bt isn't recommended too ;)13:03
* aquatix reads backlog13:03
zapaquarius-: what 2GB, a simple 15Mb clip is a PITA13:03
qwerty12I was getting decent speeds from N73 --> N800. Hardly wifi standard but decent none the less.13:03
zapqwerty12: with or without an access point?13:04
qwerty12zap: bluetooth :)13:04
zap"decent" == 20k/s ? :)13:04
GAN800lardman, b.m.o.13:04
GAN800not anything in my power to fix.13:05
qwerty12zap: Round about :). Much faster than N800 --> K750i13:05
zaptheoretically Bluetooth gives speeds up to a megabit, but in practice its a lot slower13:05
RST38hStupid Maemo printf() prints decimal point as comma13:05
zapBT is just a serial port over radiowaves13:05
RST38hAny ideas how ot modify this wonderful behaviour?13:05
zapRST38h: yes13:06
zapRST38h: #include <locale.h>; setlocale (LC_ALL, "");13:06
zapor just LC_NUMERIC13:06
lardmanGAN800: ok13:06
* RST38h absolutely hates locales13:06
zapah, you want a dot13:07
zapsetlocale (LC_NUMERIC, "C")13:07
zapthis way13:07
zapyou just have to learn them, then it's fun13:09
RST38hit's mess13:10
zapactually it's not13:11
zapit's more or less well laid out13:11
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zapRST38h: What keys switch from and out of the graph mode? (SOFT1?)13:11
Cloakeris there a packet of kismet in the maemo repository?13:12
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zapthere's aircrack13:12
zapbut since the wifi driver does not support injection, its not too useful13:12
RST38hzap: menu13:14
RST38hzap: setlocale (LC_NUMERIC,"C"); does not work13:14
RST38hstill comma13:14
Cloakeri can't use aircrack in my country, it might be heavily illegal here, but kismet is passive and that's why i consider it not that bad like aircrack can be13:14
zapRST38h: Put it after gtk_init()13:14
zapRST38h: it does setlocale(LC_ALL, "")13:15
zapand overwrites your setting13:15
RST38hHave I mentioned that I hate locales?13:16
zapyou just don't know how to cook them right13:17
zapbtw, why 5-6 give "-1*1"?13:17
zapalso if I start the expression with '-', it isn't appended to previous, it's just taken as separate13:18
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RST38hzap: treats it as negative13:21
zapI understand13:21
RST38hyou can click = extra time13:21
zapthis is ambiguous13:21
RST38hI know13:22
zapMENU key does not toggle graphics/calculator mode13:22
RST38hbut one has to be able to enter negartive numbers somehow13:22
RST38hzap: not menu key. menu option13:22
zapmaybe menu key could be used? its unused anyway :)13:22
RST38hyes, will use it, gimme a moment13:22
zapIf I start being annoying, just tell me :)13:23
* RST38h still excorsizes sprintf locale problem13:23
zapdidn't help?13:24
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lardmanwhat calc is this you're talking about?13:25
lardmanssvb: thanks for your email13:25
ssvblardman: you are welcome13:25
lardmanssvb: Interesting to hear that ALSA disrupts video playback on its own13:26
lardmanssvb: but there's still some issue with using the DSP, as I can use sw sbc encoding and get decent playback on some videos, but it's still brought to its knees by the DSP13:27
lardmanzap: thanks13:27
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lardmanssvb: I think I'll try to get that mp3 decoder that you sent me working, then look at keeping it all DSP-side13:27
lardmanssvb: if you fancy taking a crack at the EAP stuff, then that would be useful as a sink method ;)13:28
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zapRST38h: strictly speaking, starting an expression with "+" is ambiguous as well. Maybe a "Chained calculations" button toggle?13:30
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aquatixwhat's the best way atm to add ogg support to my n810? mogg? `ogg support'?13:32
zapaquatix: MediaBox supports ogg iirc13:32
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aquatixzap: hm, yet another media player :)13:35
aquatixlooks interesting13:36
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zapaquatix: thats what I use, the rest sucks13:39
* aquatix uses the default media app atm13:39
zapdefault media app sucks badly13:39
aquatixah, python and gstreamer13:39
aquatixmyeah, it's acceptable for playing some music13:40
aquatixi have mplayer for movies13:40
zapit doesn't even support unicode tags13:40
zapneed I say more? :)13:40
aquatixfair enough :)13:40
aquatixso i guess mediabox does?13:40
aquatixok, let's install then13:40
* aquatix will not be able to keep his n810 python-free anyway ;)13:41
aquatixhell, i'll likely even start hacking some python for it13:41
zapI never would use MediaBox if I would know it's Python :)13:42
zapI thought it's in C++, used it for a month and only then found that %-O13:42
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* aquatix doesn't hate python13:42
aquatixbut it's a largish install13:42
zapI even program in Python :)13:42
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aquatixbut a lot of apps use it anyway13:42
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aquatixyeah, it's an interesting language13:42
zapbut I had earlier the impression that Python is not for cpu-limited devices13:43
Cloakerhow is the memory consumption of python apps on the tablet? Whould native C++ apps need less memory?13:43
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aquatixCloaker: i guess they would use less13:45
aquatixbut it's surprisingly good13:45
zapsometimes yes13:45
zapthe data storage is generally less optimal13:45
Cloakerthanks to lambda function ;)13:45
zapRST38h: still can't get it straight?13:46
zapRST38h: try "export LC_NUMERIC=C" before starting your app13:46
zapif it works, there's a hidden "setlocale (LC_ALL, "")" somewhere13:47
GNUtonHello people13:47
zapelpoep olleH13:48
GNUtonpza yeh13:48
GNUtonpaz yeh13:48
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aquatixzap: meh, it's first creating a bunch of thumbnails of all pictures on my card14:01
JaffaMorning, all14:01
aquatixhey Jaffa14:01
zapaquatix: it contains a picture and video player as wwell14:02
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aquatixzap: yeah, but it might be less time consuming to do the thumbnailing on demand :P14:03
aquatixoh well14:03
aquatixit's on DC anyway now14:03
dannym_can anyone reach the new wiki? <> results in an empty page to me.14:04
qwerty12dannym_, ctrl+shift+r14:04
aquatixodd, it was empty for me first too14:05
aquatixsay, what do those lock icons on mean?14:06
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RST38hzap,qwerty: Please, redownload SlideRule again14:08
aquatixzap: yay, it made my tablet reboot14:10
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aquatixi tried to load another album while one was playing14:10
aquatixand it hang a bit14:10
aquatixso i tried minimising it14:10
aquatixstill nothing happened, then it rebooted14:11
aquatixoh well14:11
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RST38hEvil Python Crashes Another Tablet14:12
RST38hNews at 11.14:12
aquatixwell, this was the first time this happened to me14:12
zapRST38h: one small note: invoke maemo-select-menu-location only if $2 is empty14:12
aquatixnormally it would be other kinds of apps14:12
zapRST38bis: pressing '=' several times does not help to subtract from previous value14:14
zapcool, MENU key now works :)14:15
RST38hzap: I don't get the $2 comment14:16
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RST38hzap: to subtract, click - then = then14:16
* RST38h wonders if going outside is a good idea14:19
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RST38hzap: I have a completely different installation script14:20
aquatixdepends where outside is14:20
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RST38h+32oC, no clouds, haze14:21
zapRST38h: I know, it just shows a example how postinst should work14:22
zapRST38h: before running maemo-select-menu-location check if $2 is empty, this means the package is installed for the first time14:22
zapRST38h: otherwise that dialog pops up even when you upgrade the package14:23
zap+32 where? It's +19 here14:24
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aquatix+21.1 here according to wunderground.com14:28
zaphmm, I must be dumb but I still can't substract. I enter '25' '=' '-1' '=' then '-' '=' and I get 1+25.0000 ?14:28
zapah, got it. I must enter '1' not '-114:29
zapnow that I grok it, it's very handy :)14:31
RST38hzap: definitely not +1914:32
zaphow do I zoom in/out?14:32
RST38hzap: zoom buttons on the device14:32
RST38hmore like +30oC14:33
Cloakeri am going offline now. thx to all. cya14:35
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zapcan we expect 3D graphs any time soon? :)14:35
zap(also save/load would be nice)14:35
RST38hzap: Save and load happen automatically14:35
RST38hzap: 3d stuff - maybe, dunno right now14:36
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zapwould be nice to have several save slots14:36
zapespecially if you add 3D plots :)14:37
melmothAnybody already try to play with ?14:37
RST38hI am not even doing 2d plots right14:37
RST38hAll the extremal and undefined points are screwed up14:38
zapis it intentional that app does not fullscreen completely?14:39
zapcovers just the central part of the screen14:39
RST38hnot intentional really14:40
RST38hjust need to do some more coding, too lazy for that14:40
zapcan I reset the vertical scale somehow? I got it very large from previous graph, and now I can't see the new graph well14:40
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RST38hleft-top and left-bottom graph corners will do resets14:42
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RST38hone resets to -10,-10..10,1014:42
RST38hanother resets to function's min/max at the current argument range14:43
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zaphmm, it just shifts the point I click to the center of the plot14:43
RST38hno, try the very corner14:44
zapah, left-bottom14:44
zapthe Escape key is unused, could do something useful :)14:46
zapmaybe switch to/from graph mode, hm14:46
zapit would save me from opening the keyboard :)14:46
RST38hit is exit14:48
RST38hat least I think it is exit14:48
zapexit from where14:48
RST38hfrom the application14:48
zapit is not, and shouldn't be14:49
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zapthe close button works fine :)14:49
zapand it does not retain state between runs14:50
zapalways starts with "0.00000"14:50
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RST38hactually I may know why14:53
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RST38hit has no permissions to write .ini file14:54
zapwheres the ini file?14:54
RST38hgod knows14:54
RST38hdo you know if fopen("~/.sliderule","wb") will work?14:54
zap~ is a shell macro14:54
RST38hthought so14:55
zapit doesnt work at lower level14:55
RST38hso what is a kosher way to do it?14:55
zapconst gchar* g_get_user_config_dir (void); & company14:57
RST38hshould I g_free() the result?14:57
zapno, see the description14:58
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RST38hgot it. a moment.15:01
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zapwhat do you use the .service file for? Do you handle files with scripts?15:03
RST38hNot really15:05
RST38hBut Maemo really prefers that you run your program as a dbus service15:05
zapwould be really cool if it would launch when I would click on some '.slr' file or something like that15:05
RST38hThis way when it is being loaded, you get the feedback15:05
RST38h.slr files are not hard to do really15:05
zapthe 'loading APP' popup?15:05
zapwhy one would need them :)15:05
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RST38hwell, Nokia guys seem to like them15:06
RST38hAnd I just provided a universal init code in my framework15:06
RST38hSo it does not cost me anything to have this as a service15:07
zapdo you use SDL for drawing?15:07
zapor plain X11 calls15:07
RST38h*Buffer = pixel;15:08
RST38hthis kind of stuff15:08
zapand then blit the buffer with?15:08
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RST38hI have portable graphics - SlideRule will even run on an mp3 player15:08
RST38hWell, in the case of Maemo, I have got a GtkImage widget, so it blits however it wants15:09
zapyour emulators also use XPutImage?15:09
RST38hThey all use the same EMULib library15:09
zapand what it uses?15:09
zap(on maemo)15:10
zapthat could be slow15:10
zapmethinks it does not use acceleration15:10
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TZanderwho has commit rights to the 4.1 INSTALL.txt ?15:13
TZanderthe install instructions seem to be wrong ;)15:13
TZanderoh, easier solution;  swap the links to the install scripts on
TZanderso people *first* install the scratchbox and then the sdk.15:15
dannymTZander: If in doubt, bring it up on the devel mailing list...15:20
lcukzap, does anything use acceleration?15:21
TZanderdannym: nobody here has commit access?15:23
lcukRST38h, :D can i put the sliderule on my ipod nano? :D15:23
TZanderwho knows how to get root on the maemon devel image?15:23
dannymTZander: what do you mean? In Scratchbox?15:26
jottTZander: in scratchbox you just use "fakeroot".15:27
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here:
jottfor the device15:27
TZanderno, on my n81015:28
jottTZander: rootsh (or easyroot) it is.15:28
lcukbut thats not the maemo devel image15:28
TZanderlcuk: its reflashed15:30
jottTZander: and welcome to maemo :)15:30
lcukahhh so i can get a devel image directly on my 810 without the hoops i went through before?15:30
CptLaptopcan you do mouse poll without reflash?15:31
TZanderlcuk: dont know; I just handed it to someone that figured it all out before and he hooked mine up with usb and a little while later it was flashed.15:31
* lcuk must remember not to think too hard so early in the afternoon15:31
lcukam i bad for wanting to use the fullscreen button for something different than just "fullscreen/normal"?15:36
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Mace_need to find a damn sd somewhere around here15:37
CptLaptopmy fullscreen button is mapped to the coffee maker15:37
dannymlcuk: yup ;)15:37
lcukthats a good plan CptLaptop15:37
Mace_starts making a pot over wifi?15:37
lcukdannym, but my app is fullscreen anyway and takes a full couple of seconds to remap itself - i wanna cycle through a few of ui variations on each press15:38
dannymlcuk: no, seriously: the side buttons on the N800 are the only ones that I can press without problems with my big hands so I'm mapping whatever is important there... me evil too :D15:38
* Mace_ picture networked coffee pot15:38
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CptLaptopthat would be awesome15:38
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dannymlcuk: I see. FBReader does that with the middle button in the d pad, btw.15:38
lcuknot on mine it doesnt (down and centre dpad are next page, up is previous page) - when rotated15:39
* lcuk wanted to map half the keyboard to down and half to up, but the fbreader ui wasnt very good at mapping loads15:40
* lcuk got bored after setting QAZWSXEDCRFV15:40
lcukfbreader moes so slowly to the previous page its frustrating15:41
dannymlcuk: do you use the rotate extension of X?15:43
CptLaptopmy fbreader runs wild sometimes, just going nuts and jumping through pages like a maniac15:43
CptLaptopdunno if my d pad is gay or what it is15:43
dannymlcuk: FBReader is a lot faster when it doesn't have to rotate the stuff itself15:43
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lcukdannym, but even unrotated its awful, maybe its the book format i use15:44
dannymCptLaptop: same happens here... is it FBReader or the keyboard itself, though?15:44
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* lcuk still has proper book reading ui in mind15:44
lcukthe screen tapping annoyed me at first15:44
lcukbut now i have my cradle its not bothered me cos i can hold 810 easily15:45
CptLaptopdannym dunno.... i tried setting the pressing time (or wtf its called) to 500ms but still happens15:45
* lcuk hopes to have proper text reading in time15:46
aquatixwtf, i just wanted to ask whether fbreader could be hacked to scroll with the +/- buttons15:46
aquatixbut it already does :D15:47
* lcuk is wrestling with layout style data and code15:47
dannymCptLaptop: maybe it's misjudging that the key repeat delay has passed after it tuned down the cpu freq when doing nothing15:47
CptLaptopno idea. annoying either way :/15:47
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lcukit goes to 100% cpu when you press a page, so ends up getting caught doing sometihng odd and reclicks a few times15:48
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lcukits like the bluetooth keyboard repeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat thing15:48
lcukor the strokes joining together thing when drawing15:48
CptLaptophmm never watched the cpu bar when flipping pages, using it in otate fullscreen mode15:49
CptLaptopbut i get what you mean15:49
CptLaptopthe bt bug is annoying too15:49
lcukive done lots of watchign with the cpufreq stuff and it slows down VERY quickly even if an app is using lots of cpu15:50
CptLaptopwith the rate simon and schuster is going i wont need fbreader :/15:51
CptLaptopbook im waiting for was released on paper july 29, ebook stil l not out15:51
dannymaquatix: yep, cool, eh :) It would drive me mad to use the D pad for reading books (pressing tiny button in cramped area for 800 pages would make me throw it on the floor :))15:51
lcukdannym, thats why dpad centre works nicely15:52
aquatixdannym: yeah, aside from the fact that i'd need to slide it out15:52
* CptLaptop remaps15:52
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dannymaquatix: ah, on the N810 it's on the keyboard slide?15:52
dannymaquatix: On the N800 its right beside the screen15:52
aquatixyeah :(15:53
aquatixone of the drawbacks of the n81015:53
lcukthis is what my 810 lives in most of the time, its open almost all of it and accessible
aquatixthat's an apple kb?15:54
lcukthe elastic band prevents the innevitable 810 on the head syndrome at night when rotated and reading15:54
aquatixgotta love the wood15:54
aquatixah, n810-in-head syndrome15:54
aquatixbeen there15:54
CptLaptopi have something very similar15:54
* aquatix has an igo bt keyboard15:54
CptLaptopsold two of the devices that thign holds -.-15:55
aquatixCptLaptop: what's it made of?15:56
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lcukright back later, havin a shower then goin lookin at dead bodies15:56
CptLaptopn810 on head?15:56
aquatixlcuk: er, enjoy15:56
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CptLaptopaquarius: wood, paintted and with fabric inserts15:56
aquatixCptLaptop: yeah, when reading in bed, then dropping it15:56
lcukCptLaptop, i lie on my back in bed with that on chest reading - without the elastic band it would ummm topple - a high tech solution was needed15:56
dannymyeah, letting it fall down when getting too tired :) although I usually lie on the side so it will just fall on the bed :)15:57
CptLaptopi normally hold my n800 over my head, fall asleep, drop it in my face, wake up, repeate15:57
CptLaptoplol good its not only me15:57
aquatix <- i have a monitor stand ;)15:57
dannymbut I actually have a strap thingie that I want to add one of these days...15:57
lcukbefore the crate i opened the stand,. wedged a towel or tshirt through it and gripped the towel15:57
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dannymyou know like on the cheapo tiny radios15:57
lcukanyway back later15:58
* lcuk goes to bodyworks15:58
dannymwhere you put your hand in the strap and its affixed onto the device using a tiny loop through two holes...15:58
aquatixlcuk: cya15:58
dannymlcuk: have fun :)15:58
CptLaptopbefore i got the n800 i use the psp for readiong. converted txt to jpg, worked rather nicely. used a windshield mount on the side of my bed holding it in angle, and a wired remote underr the covers to flip pages.15:59
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* aquatix loved his sony clie palms for reading15:59
CptLaptopnowadays i use audiobooks mostly, at work16:00
CptLaptoptoo bad so little ahs been audiolized16:00
* aquatix can't stand audiobooks16:00
aquatixi want to read16:00
aquatixcan't really get into audiocasts too16:00
CptLaptopdifficult to read when youre in the middle of a forrest with safety gear up your ass waving a saw and hauling wood16:01
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dannymCptLaptop: tried mbrola? I wonder if it's good enough to auto-speak a text file :)16:01
aquatixwhen i'm at work, i'm not expected to consume books ;)16:02
CptLaptoplol i doubt it16:02
CptLaptopim very picky with readers, people that sound off to me i dont bother with16:02
aquatixanother reason i don't bother :)16:02
* aquatix is picky bookwise16:02
aquatixand i like to not spoil the fantasy world around it16:03
aquatixoh well16:03
CptLaptopwhat book category?16:03
CptLaptopi prefer scifi <316:03
aquatixvarious kinds16:03
aquatixscifi, thrillers (like Preston and Child), fantasy16:03
CptLaptopthe starship series is nice for scifi16:04
CptLaptopbut what annoys me is that the falcon banner series by patrick lydon isnt more known, excellent scifi but its only available through some weird online store because hes not known16:04
CptLaptopmakes me wonder what other treats are out there, undiscovered16:05
dannymCptLaptop: well around here it's the same even with Isaac Asimov (!)... "who's that?"16:05
* aquatix is reading the Foundation series16:06
CptLaptopever considered an e-ink device?16:06
aquatixtoo expensive16:07
aquatixiliad would be awesome16:07
dannymaquatix: ah, that one is great :) a story that goes over a looong loong time in the story's history :)16:07
dannymasedeno: (Foundation)16:07
aquatixdannym: i'm with the second book now16:07
aquatixforward the foundation16:07
CptLaptopthink the sony reader is 300 or so on amazon16:08
* aquatix prefers an open reader, like the iliad16:08
aquatixthing even has touchscreen16:08
aquatixwacom or something16:08
aquatixnote taking++16:08
CptLaptopholy shit 500 euros16:08
jaska500e for what?16:09
jaskafor a book reader.. ugh16:09
aquatixthat's why i don't have one yet :)16:10
aquatixthey said prices would come down16:10
aquatixstill waiting ;)16:10
aquatixbut i don't consider the others16:10
aquatixway too closed16:10
aquatixiliad reads pdf, txt, images, palmdoc and a lot more16:10
aquatix1024x768 screen16:10
dannymI have mixed feelings about the iliad... tried my co-worker's...16:11
dannymthe way to turn pages is nice16:11
aquatixusing my se m600i smartphone for reading books nowadays16:11
dannyma huge huge vertical button which you drag right turn to the next page16:12
dannym(kinda like with a digital joystick, just with one axis :D)16:12
dannymbut the screen refresh is reaaaally slow... if you thought FBReader was slow, wait for that refresh...16:12
dannymyou can literally see it turning the pixels...16:13
dannym(well, the balls)16:13
aquatixwow, fbreader in portrait mode with the +/- buttons is awesome16:13
aquatixdannym: yeah16:13
aquatixone of my nitpicks too16:13
aquatixlet's hope they come up with a new one16:13
lcukwith faster balls16:14
aquatixdoesn't even have to do colours16:14
aquatixereader: now with faster balls16:14
lcukereader: we can rotate your balls at 30fps16:14
aquatixhow can i add a complete dir to fbreader's library?16:15
lcukit seems to have a mind of its own - just stop looking at it and add single files as required, then at some point in the future it will add the rest16:16
lcukim not meant to be here now am i16:16
dannymaquatix: I just enabled the file manager's file type connection.16:16
dannymaquatix: association*16:17
dannymaquatix: and usual open the books from the file manager.16:17
lcukfor a media scanner (documents images movies etc) am i best to default the folders to ~/MyDocs;mmc1;mmc2 ?16:18
dannym(what is it with adding a mini file manager to each and every app anyway? Is there some advantage to that which I don't know yet?)16:18
aquatixdannym: heh, k16:18
lcukdannym, for the book reader a library is important: you need to know what you have read and where you are upto16:18
lcukand since you have a list of the active books it makes sense to give it a ui and allow the user to continue doing things with them16:19
aquatixwow, this is quite awesome; white text on black bg, portrait and doing page next with +16:19
* aquatix likes16:19
lcukand since the library is there it makes sense to allow add new entry16:19
dannymlcuk: ah, I see... makes sense...16:19
lcukaquatix, turn the brightness right down at night as well16:19
aquatixlcuk: does so automatically already16:19
* dannym remembers what he read himself :)16:20
lcukand where you are upto everytime?16:20
aquatixi have it turned quite low already16:20
lcuki just like to open the book reader and carry on16:20
dannymlcuk: yeah, FBReader the position within the file (also in the file manager case).16:22
dannymlcuk: so it will scroll to where I was within the file when I reopen the file.16:22
dannym(hmm.. the "jstar" text editor does, too. "vi" does, too. I think it's quite usual to :D)16:23
lcukyer, but i dont like to have to go back to my bookcase and find my book each night16:23
lcuki just reach over to my nightstand and pick up my current book ("My selection/fbreader")16:23
dannymlcuk: (yeah, FBReader auto-reopens the book that was open the last time when I start it :))16:24
* aquatix did `look in subdirs' and now fbreader hangs with 100% cpu16:25
dannymlcuk: But I get your point, the filesystem is not in read order and so you use the prog since it lets you put your books in some order.16:25
aquatixfun, fun16:25
dannymaquatix: :(16:25
lcukaquatix, just leave it for a while and let it scan all the books16:25
lcukits recursively scanning through wherever you told it to16:26
lcukand back through symlinks and aover the hills and checking your neighbours cabinet and the book store and the factory and the bins over there16:26
lcukbut it will finish eventually (estimated sometime middle of september 2046)16:27
aquatixlcuk: it came back indeed, hence my `yay'16:27
dannymit will crash in 2038 because of time_t overrun :D16:27
lcuklol or sometime before when the asteroid hits16:27
dannymhehe. 5th September 2012 ? :)16:29
lcukit might have reached sentience before then however - reading all those books makes it super intelligent16:29
lcukdont let it have access to the net16:29
aquatixlcuk: too late16:29
aquatixwifi is on16:29
lcukyou know it will because all the balls will start rotating16:29
aquatixand it read the Dune series and Stephen King stuff16:29
* aquatix is starting to get scared16:29
aquatixthat combination can't be good :)16:29
lcukif its anything like me it wont get into dune - ive been stuck re-reading the first 30 pages before giving up for ages16:29
* lcuk is a known space niven fan16:30
* aquatix has read the first 3 or 4 Dune books when he was 12, 1316:30
lcuki was reading tolkien back then16:31
aquatixonly read the Hobbit16:32
aquatixtoo much damn singing :)16:32
lcukanyway the dead bodies are gonna be bored waiting for me16:32
* lcuk goes again16:32
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aquatixlcuk: hf16:35
* RST38h read Hobbit in Ukrainian when he was 12 year old16:35
aquatixhm, adding books to series is quite cool16:35
* aquatix read the hobbit when the first movie was about to be released16:35
aquatixdidn't bother with the trilogy16:36
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aquatixhm, disk world16:41
aquatixer, discworld of course16:42
RST38h[and it left him fucked up for the rest of his life]16:42
dannymaquatix: I think the Discworld game forever changed my brain to prefer sarcasm :)16:44
aquatixnever played the game16:44
dannym(and later, the books :D)16:44
aquatixRST38h: i was fucked up to begin with ;)16:44
aquatixhm, how to prevent screen dimming to kick in while reading :/16:44
aquatixdannym: you played the MUD?16:45
dannymaquatix: in "Control > Screen", set "duration" to 2 minutes or so...16:46
dannymaquatix: that one <> :)16:46
aquatix <- mud16:47
aquatixheh, looks interesting16:47
dannymaquatix: The "hero" Rincewind and the librarian (guess which is which :D) <>16:47
aquatixrincewind is the doofy one ;)16:48
aquatixoh wait :P16:48
* aquatix loves the librarian16:48
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dannymyeah, great... and interesting stuff in his library, too :)16:49
aquatixthose books on ice for example ;)16:49
dannymyeah :D16:49
dannymaquatix: if you aint seen dancing skeletons yet: <>16:49
dannymaquatix: oh yeah, the treasure chest at the bottom of <> *does* run from you sometimes16:50
dannymaquatix: (it's the inventory)16:51
aquatixlooks weird16:53
aquatixi have a better mental picture of it16:53
aquatixdammit, started reading one of them again16:53
aquatix[10 - Moving Pictures]16:54
aquatixi started from the beginning a while ago16:54
dannymaquatix: oh, haven't read that one yet :)16:55
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aquatixdannym: me neither16:56
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RST38hGentlemen , whoever wanted to test SlideRule, get the latest version here:17:14
GAN800lardman, you didn't follow a bug. . . .17:17
infobotGAN800 meant: lardman, you didn't file a bug. . . .17:17
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dannym_anyone knows what one uses nowadays in the non-DEVFS days to say "if product_id == <whatever> load <foo kernel module>"?17:19
aquatixRST38h: oh, let me wget17:20
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aquatixmime sketch/png?17:21
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dannymI found a very convoluted way to be something like: SYSFS{idVendor}=="0af0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="d033", PROGRAM="/bin/uname -r", RUN+="/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/%c/kernel/drivers/net/wwan/hso.ko"17:22
dannymbut they can't be serious?17:22
aquatixthey aren't, it should have define 0xDEADBEEF in there somewhere too17:23
aquatix[sorry, i'm a tad lame today]17:23
dannymerr :D17:23
dannymaquatix: about the "sketch/png" mime before, yeah, that's a really official mime type (not :D)... but Xournal uses that for its file type associations :)17:30
dannymin GNU Makefiles, what is the difference between "=" and ":=" ?17:30
dannym(why doesn't Xournal just use SVG? Or is it overkill for its uses? :))17:31
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RST38hsvg is an overkill for just about everything17:36
RST38hbut still...17:36
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RST38hdid something crash?17:49
dannymI'll never say anything bad again about the Gentoo build system.17:49
dannymthe Debian build system is way more convoluted.17:49
dannymRST38h: worse, it's ignoring commands :)17:49
dannymRST38h: you don't know by chance how the install part of "dpkg-buildpackage" works?17:50
RST38hno idea, I ignore it completely17:50
dannymRST38h: I mean the part that comes after "make install" of the package and collects the files so installed (into some tempdir) and puts them into a DEB file17:50
dannymRST38h: hehehe17:50
dannymwhat's a "dh_install -p"? I found <> and that doesn't even mention that "-p" exists :(17:52
dannym(and there's no "man" in Scratchbox - and I have no Debian host system - so...)17:53
dannymcan someone who has Debian run "man 1 dh_install" and/or "man 7 debhelper" please? :)17:54
Mace_gentoo sucks when it breaks17:54
jottdannym: what do you want to know?17:54
Mace_i had a python problem that was an absolute pain17:54
dannymjott: what "dh_install"'s option "-p" is.17:55
jott       -ppackage, --package=package17:55
jott           Act on the package named "package". This option may be specified multiple times to make debhelper operate on a given set of packages.17:55
RST38h   <==== What the hell is he doing?17:56
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dannymMace_: yes, but that's merely a problem of the ... err... packages themselves, not the package build/install system. But I know what you mean...17:56
RST38hqwerty: Get a new copy of SlideRule17:56
RST38hsame url17:56
dannymMace_: updating Python on Gentoo is evil anyway since the package manager itself uses it and so it can easily shoot itself ;)17:57
qwerty12RST38h: Will do, thanks17:57
Mace_that is the problem i had17:58
jottRST38h: haha :)17:58
dannymMace_: but in Gentoo they install the new package _before_ they remove the old one :) I've seen build systems (*cough* *cough* Solaris) that will merrily 'uninstall the old version of "libc" first' and 'then install the newrqwrqw@*! NO SYSTEM' ;)17:58
jottRST38h: (the video)17:58
* RST38h still suspects this video to be fake though17:58
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dannymMace_: (and that without asking beforehand :))17:59
jottyeah not unlikely, still funny :)17:59
Mace_is there an epiphanny for maemo?18:00
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dannymjott: mmm... what is a "package"? does it mean something like "if $subsection == <whatever_was_-p's_arg> dh_install_body else skip" ?18:00
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Mace_i'd love to run that instead of the stock browser18:00
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Mace_epiphany works with zimbra properly on the n800 in nit-debian18:01
dannymjott: that is, it waits until it's actually building (say) "xyz-dev" part of "xyz" and only then, dh_install does something?18:01
Mace_the ajax interface18:01
jottdannym: the subpackage if your build consists of more than one pacakge.18:01
dannym*the "dh_install -pxyz-dev" does something?18:01
jottdannym: basically dh_install -pfoo will copy the file to debian/foo/18:02
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dannymjott: okay... and how does it go into the correct DEB from there?18:03
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jottdannym: in the end dh_builddeb18:05
jottdannym: just let dh_make create the initial sturcture ;)18:05
dannymah, *checks*18:05
dannym(btw, <>)18:05
jottdannym: check that the *.install files everything you want to have in the package18:07
dannymjott: I added a "dh_builddeb -p hso-driver" and it's there now :D18:08
dannymjott: the next time I'll start afresh and use dh_make to create the structure, I guess... this time I tweaked an existing debian port (mistake. miistake :D)18:09
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aquatixRST38h: lol, looks like he's eating his tie18:10
dannymjott: thanks :D so one needs to do "dh_builddeb" for each of the "packages" of a "build" manually :)18:10
aquatixfirst i thought he was sniffing ladies underwear :P18:11
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jottdannym: you could leave out the -p part and then it should build all packages :)18:11
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dannymjott: heh. Good to know :)18:13
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dannymjott: Cool. I have a HSO modem driver on now which can build to a binary DEB file on its own... thank you ^^18:16
dannym(or, rather, two DEB files...)18:16
dannymwhat's the convention for metapackages in Debian (or Maemo)?18:16
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dannymIn this case it's like thi: to actually be able to use the Modem driver, you first have to switch the Modem itself from CDROM ("install CD") to MODEM mode using "usbmodeswitch".18:17
dannym"usbmodeswitch" does that using the SCSI generic device that appears and so it needs "sg".18:18
pupnik_congratulations dannym18:18
qwerty12dannym: Tried out usb mode switch yet? :)18:18
dannympupnik_: thanks :)18:18
qwerty12*usbmodeswitch :)18:18
* pupnik_ waves hand in front of qwerty12's face18:20
* qwerty12 shoots it down18:20
dannymqwerty12: yes, although I didn't get it to work (as in, actually switch the modem) yet18:22
dannymqwerty12: I'm still struggling with the config file. Does it allow multiple entries and will try the one that matches? The config file has a weird format I've never seen before (duplicate keys without grouping)18:23
dannymqwerty12: (but it does build and package and so on :))18:23
dannymalthough we still have to work out where to put "sg"?18:23
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qwerty12dannym: In all honesty, I haven't tried usbmodeswitch, I just debianised it :)18:23
dannymreminds me,18:24
dannymzap: are you there? :)18:24
dannymqwerty12: I see. Well, I'll get it to work (or revert to Rezero)18:24
qwerty12Yeah, Rezero sounds like a better choice. I wish I had a 3G modem to actually try this stuff out :/18:25
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dannymqwerty12: I wish I had enough Wireless / a cellphone with HSDPA so I didn't have to have a 3G modem ;)18:26
dannymoh well ^^18:26
str8edgehey can you customize the locations for the world clock to add a new city?18:26
qwerty12dannym: Are you on a contract? Get them to upgrade.18:27
str8edgeThere's nothing for my specfic timezone in the n810 (cst/cst)18:27
dannymqwerty12: yeah. In the long term, that sounds like a good idea :) Right now, I foolishly upgraded a few months ago to some not quite-as-ancient phone (but still ancient enough) so I'll wait until my "points" recovered a bit...18:28
dannymqwerty12: also have to research which phone actually works (quickly enough etc) as a modem for the N8x0 ...18:29
dannym(I think there was a Wiki page for that... hmmm  :))18:29
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dannymqwerty12: btw, can you read the source code of usb_modeswitch? I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the "else" in "usb_modeswitch.c" line 246 belongs to with all that weird indentation :)18:30
dannym*runs indent* ;P18:30
qwerty12dannym: no :/18:31
dannymqwerty12: what the "usb_modeswitch" actually says when I run is something like "found 1 device" and in the next line "found no device, are you sure it's plugged in?" O_o18:32
* dannym digs around in the newly indented source code... aah... better.18:33
qwerty12Sounds like usb_modeswitch is ******, hmm, does it have any advantages over Rezero?18:33
n800n ******?18:34
n800nah, ******18:34
str8edgeqwerty12: it's even for my city.. perfect! thanks, man!18:35
dannymqwerty12: supports more devices, it seems. Wonder if that's an advantage, though ;)18:35
_juliananyone here who did develop qt4 on maemo yet?18:35
qwerty12str8edge: lol, nice coincidence :). No problem18:36
qwerty12dannym: I'm not sure if this program is actually liking the tablet. May be why the original author didn't compile it for N8x0 (he has a N810)18:36
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jott_julian: yes :)18:42
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dannymqwerty12: aha. If I remove "rezero", it works since it won't be automacially changed before "usb_modeswitch" even sees it ;)18:45
* dannym bangs head on keyboard18:47
_julianjott: if I set up a maemo sdk and install the qt packages should I then be able to compile plain qt apps in there?18:47
* qwerty12 is annoyed to find his mmc card running in 25Hz and not 48Hz >.<18:47
dannymqwerty12: trying the MMC kernel patch? :)18:48
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jott_julian: yes.18:48
qwerty12dannym: Yeah :). I've installed the patches of Philip Langdale's fine + I mixed it with a bit of code by fanoush :/18:49
_julianjott: cool (c:18:49
_julianwill give that a shot18:49
jott_julian: just add extra-devel repository and install the -dev packages.18:49
dannymqwerty12: I tried it earlier and forgot that then, rotation support would be missing :(18:49
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dannymqwerty12: so reverting kernel now...18:50
dannymqwerty12: cool... thanks ^^18:55
qwerty12no problem :). Real work is jott's and Philip Langdale's :)18:55
dannymthanks, jott, philipl.  :)18:57
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dannymqwerty12: (I'd use the "Thank" button on the forum but as you maybe remember it doesn't appear in my browser... and I couldn't be assed to find out why it doesn't ;))19:03
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qwerty12dannym: hehe, no problems :D19:04
* qwerty12 keeps switching on the tablet in hopes that it forgets the battery is dead and lets me boot. I need to check the uname ffs >.<19:04
lbtwhat uname?19:05
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qwerty12uname for the kernel on my tablet. I need to check I flashed the right one.19:05
lbtok - I can't check that :)19:05
* qwerty12 jacks my brothers charger19:07
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crashanddieI have this screen update problem in xchat19:07
crashanddieand sometimes, not all characters (if any) are shown when someone types a line19:08
crashanddiefor a second, I saw:19:08
crashanddie* qwerty12 jacks my brother19:08
qwerty12Hehe, a font problem?19:08
dannymqwerty12: you have no idea how that sounds after having seen the movie "Robots" just now ;)19:08
crashanddieI'm going back to sleep now19:08
qwerty12dannym: do I want to know? :P19:09
dannymno ;)19:09
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dannymqwerty12: unless your brother is a robot and you just unplugged him :D19:10
qwerty12In that case, I'll keep his charger forever :P19:11
* qwerty12 has another crack at cx3110x. Although not as a much a priority to me now as "uname manipulation" allows the original cx3110x to load up in a preempt kernel.19:13
dannymqwerty12: what are you plotting? Preemptive N8x0 desktop? :)19:15
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qwerty12I just wanted to see if I could get a preempt kernel that worked without having no wifi and one that didn't need no-lifeguard-reset to run. Now that I have a preempt kernel, I still fail to see any speed increases :)19:16
qwerty12afaik, 770's kernel is preempt by default19:17
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* johnx usually finds preempt kernels slower19:20
johnxor rather, they feel slower under the workloads I usually throw at them19:20
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qwerty12Any ideas what this error message means? . I wouldn't care usually, but insmod won't insert the module either due to unknown symbols.19:28
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dannymqwerty12: some of the missing symbols are from "umac.ko"... is that loaded?19:31
qwerty12dannym: it was, thanks for that. looks like i'm sol then as umac sources aren't available :)19:32
dannymqwerty12: the mamona guys have dummy stubs, if that helps..19:33
qwerty12dannym: it does, thanks a lot, checking now...19:33
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dannymhmmm, do I have to request SSH access for "" spearately?19:44
dannym(for "dput")19:44
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lbtdannym: once you get the invite you can submit a gpg key and ssh key19:47
lbtthen dput works fine19:47
dannymlbt: invite? Hmm... *amnesic*19:48
lbtare you trying to submit packages?19:48
lbtfor */extras-*19:49
dannymlbt: yes19:49
dannymlbt: yes19:49
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qwerty12w00t, after a lot of makefile modifications, I got the cx3110x to build successfully, thanks dannym!20:06
qwerty12(and the mamona team)20:06
zapwhy you have rebuilt it?20:08
zapdoes it have some modifications? (injection?)20:08
qwerty12Nope, plain cx3110x, I want to rebuild all the modules in initfs against my preempt kernel tree20:09
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qwerty12Except for umac and mtum, they are all rebuilt now20:09
* zap just submited the request for a "kernel modules" project which provides a kernel module build environment20:10
qwerty12Cool :)20:11
qwerty12Be nice from all the symlinking I do :)20:11
RST38hzap: get new sliderule20:11
RST38hzap: it should save the tape roll now20:11
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crashanddie_hehe :D20:21
dannymhmm? :)20:22
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zapRST38h: its allright except that if I delete the dangling "0.000000" it does not save that :) I prefer starting from a clean sheet20:27
Luriaanyone got a usb tv out device to work with an IT?20:32
rm_youGeneralAntilles: yo20:36
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rm_youwhich logos should i put on shirts20:36
zaphehe, my father-in-law broke the LCD on his N95, how he can use it only when connected to a TV :]20:36
rm_youright now i am thinking these:20:36
rm_youneed to do a few more20:37
rm_youwant to have a full 6 days worth of maemo shirts :P20:37
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rm_youthoughts anyone?20:37
* zap likes 2nd20:38
rm_youyeah well, those three i will definitely do20:38
rm_youneed more suggestionsd20:38
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GAN800rm_you, the Apple Works one. :P20:52
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crashanddierm_you, do you want me to be honest ?20:54
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GAN800You and khertan will be a great pair to photograph if you use the Apple Works one.20:55
GAN800lardman still fails at filing that bug20:56
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gregoroviusis there a simple text editor available for nits I can use over ssh?23:15
gregoroviuslike nano23:15
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Toba__...oh i thought you meant on a real linux distro.23:17
GAN800Hey, florian23:17
gregoroviusI tried vi, but it's acting funky over ssh23:17
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legindgregorovius, try vim23:18
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legindvi shouldn't act funky over ssh23:18
legindor, any more funky than it usually acts23:18
Kegetysnano works fine for me23:18
gregoroviusI can't find nano in my nit23:19
gregoroviusbut I found midnight commander, so all is good23:20
Toba__I can't find any nits in my nano23:20
Toba__maybe I should shave it23:20
Kegetysapt-get install nano23:20
Kegetysor nano-tiny23:20
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RST38hScary stuff23:27
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fredHi - I'm trying to get my qt4.4-based media player working on my N810 - the major problem is "Warning: you do not seem to have the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good installed" - I do - and media playback doesn't work in my player.23:34
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freda secondary one is QDesktopServices::storageLocation() seems to be completely arbitrary, but I can hack around that if needed; I've got no idea on the former though, and would appreciate any suggestions23:34
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gregoroviushow can I change my NIT's hostname?23:43
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gregoroviusso I can 'ssh mynokia'23:44
arachnist/etc/hosts and /etc/hostname23:44
gregoroviusthanks arachnist23:47
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