| RST38h | kill kill destroy | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | why would gtk+ crash with floating point exception (!) when I click on the menu icon? | 00:00 |
| pupnik | http://www.robots.artfxstudios.com/photo_album4.html << FemBots from the Bionic Woman (scared me to nightmares as a kid) | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | Hillary was the original fembot though | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | hahahahahaha | 00:04 |
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| Proteous | humina humina | 00:45 |
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| RST38h | hildon menu problem fixed! | 00:52 |
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| bef0rd | RST38h, have you tried getting the 'menu' key working? it doesn't popup the menu on ines | 00:56 |
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| RST38h | bef0rd: it is not a bug. it is a feature. | 01:01 |
| RST38h | "menu" button works as fast-forward in my emulators | 01:01 |
| bef0rd | ohh | 01:01 |
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| chrisa_ | Hey All, anybody got time to answer a silly question from a complete newbie? | 01:10 |
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| chrisa_ | I want to start developing on maemo using python and I was wondering how easy it would be to use a orm like sqlalchemy or sqlobject. | 01:11 |
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| lmoura | chrisa_, there's also storm | 01:15 |
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| chrisa_ | thanks lmoura, so there isn't any difficulty deploying the application and it's dependancies? | 01:49 |
| lmoura | AFAIK, no, as storm is available for maemo | 01:49 |
| chrisa_ | thanks again, I am pretty familiar with these tools and libs, I am just brand spanking new to maemo. | 01:51 |
| pupnik | well you've come to the right place for ... er wait. no this isn't that ..nm | 01:52 |
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| jott | *yawn* | 02:11 |
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| pupnik | #maemo-stammtisch is now open for bizness | 02:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully this backordered Beagle comes in sooner than later. | 02:47 |
| iXce | one more stupid question: is it safe to use chinook extras repos on diablo? (or should I rather try porting chinook packages to diablo?) | 02:49 |
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| jott | iXce: it "should" be safe, but it would be even better to bring the missing packages to diablo extras :) | 02:51 |
| iXce | okai :) | 02:51 |
| iXce | gettin scratchbox up & running takes ages :( | 02:52 |
| jott | on debian based 32bit systems it's straight forward :) | 02:52 |
| iXce | it's definitely super easy, but it takes time to be done (downloading + installing packages) | 02:54 |
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| jott | wax your modem :P | 02:55 |
| iXce | and my hard drive disk :p | 02:55 |
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| lardman | night all | 03:00 |
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| pupnik | got a nice new online game port candidate | 03:10 |
| pupnik | online role playing and space conquest games: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1396 | 03:10 |
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| chrisa_ | Anybody had any luck running scratchbox in a vm? I run a 64 bit linux and it seem like it would be much easier to just use a vm. | 03:18 |
| bef0rd | there is already a vm available with sbox installed | 03:19 |
| jott | but a chroot would be easier and faster i guess.. | 03:19 |
| jott | well easier is arguable :) | 03:19 |
| * bef0rd tries to guess the url | 03:19 | |
| bef0rd | maemo-vm.garage.maemo.org | 03:20 |
| bef0rd | nop, failed | 03:20 |
| jott | maemovmware.garage.org :) | 03:20 |
| nelson | my n810's charging circuit went wonky. | 03:22 |
| nelson | had to pull the battery for many hours. | 03:22 |
| nelson | known problem? | 03:22 |
| iXce | mm, is screen rotation going to be included in a future official kernel? | 03:26 |
| bef0rd | there is a bug on bugzilla.maemo.org asking to get it included | 03:27 |
| iXce | okai thanks | 03:28 |
| bef0rd | I suppose, the more people to vote it, there are more possibilities | 03:28 |
| iXce | yeah, I'm going to find it and vote for it :) | 03:28 |
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| jott | iXce: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 | 03:29 |
| iXce | thanks :) (I had found it myself, there are only two bugs which match "rotation") | 03:30 |
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| * bef0rd is going to vote it too | 03:31 | |
| bef0rd | Total votes: 12 | 03:33 |
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| bef0rd | jott could add a little update on his site to make the people vote for the bug :p | 03:38 |
| iXce | hm, to port a package from chinook to diablo, all I have to do is ensure it and its dependencies build and actually work, bump their package version for diablo and submit them to the extras builder, and in case there's a problem fix it, right? | 03:42 |
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| nomis | iXce: yes. | 03:45 |
| iXce | kai thanks | 03:45 |
| Kegetys | hm, why does omweather update ask you to restart the device | 03:52 |
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| jott | bef0rd: i linked the bug on my original page :) | 04:02 |
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| bef0rd | jott, isn't this your site http://sse2.net/rotate/? | 04:07 |
| jott | yes | 04:07 |
| bef0rd | oh, I meant that one hehe, since its the first result for "maemo screen rotation" :P | 04:08 |
| jott | yeah it has the bug link now :) | 04:10 |
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| * sp3000 finds http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/products/ a bit odd | 04:10 | |
| * jott finds the whole current karma system odd :p | 04:11 | |
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| bef0rd | jott, cool, thanks | 04:12 |
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| iXce | hmm, when I try to install the .deb of the lib I just built, my n810 tells me "Incompatible application package", yet I can dpkg -i it, is there a clear explanation on why it does that please? | 04:40 |
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| iXce | the .po file indicates "# The package is incompatible because it is not a user package, but a system package, or it is otherwise incompatible with the device.", are libs considered "system" packages? | 04:43 |
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| mikkov_ | application manager will directly install only packages with category user/something | 04:52 |
| mikkov_ | so your package is fine, because libs are installed as depencies | 04:53 |
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| iXce | okai thanks :) | 04:54 |
| iXce | so battlegweled 0.9 is perfectly fine for diablo extras | 04:55 |
| Proteous | DON'T DO IT!! | 04:56 |
| pupnik | Three Words: Scorched3D on N9x0 | 04:56 |
| Proteous | when you install battlegweled instantly you have no more free time for anything | 04:56 |
| Proteous | your wife leaves you, your friends give up on you | 04:57 |
| Proteous | it's like a curse | 04:57 |
| Proteous | don't do it | 04:57 |
| pupnik | or you can resolve to be defeated by level N after time t. | 04:57 |
| GAN800 | pupnik, you see the opengl mention on http://beagleboard.org? | 04:58 |
| pupnik | nope, thanks | 04:58 |
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| * GAN800 is crossing his fingers for good things to come. | 04:58 | |
| * GAN800 just ordered his beagle today. | 04:58 | |
| pupnik | what opengl mention | 04:59 |
| pupnik | we knew the 3430 (and later the 3530) had powervr for many months | 04:59 |
| GAN800 | Left-hand column | 04:59 |
| iXce | Proteous: definitely :p | 04:59 |
| GAN800 | Well, sure, but the driver situation has never really been clear. | 04:59 |
| GAN800 | With Beagle advertising it right there, things are a little more 'sure'. | 05:00 |
| GAN800 | I want to build a wood case for it. | 05:01 |
| Proteous | beagle? | 05:02 |
| Proteous | nm | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, hacking it into a 19" Samnsung LCD sounds more intersting | 05:03 |
| mikkov_ | i have played 3d pong with n800 at 0.1 fps | 05:03 |
| mikkov_ | pretty hard | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Didn't you hear? This is Samsung's new $200 Linux all-in-one machine! | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | " | 05:04 |
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| pupnik | "OpenGL© ES 2.0 capable 2D/3D graphics accelerator" | 05:04 |
| pupnik | that's not exactly OpenGL itself, is it :) | 05:04 |
| pupnik | but i did talk to the TI guy at linuxtag | 05:05 |
| pupnik | and everything he said pointed to opengl available to the hobbyists | 05:05 |
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| jott | well it really depends on how good the powervr drivers are. | 05:07 |
| jott | so like trouble with new kernel versions etc. | 05:07 |
| lcuk | pandora still hasnt got drivers has it | 05:07 |
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| pupnik | i have no info on that | 05:08 |
| jott | there are demos clearly using opengl es, but that does not mean that they are avialable to a broader audience. | 05:08 |
| lcuk | http://www.openpandora.org/blog.php "Quake2 running in software mode (not using the 3D hardware yet, but still pushing 60fps)." | 05:08 |
| * lcuk keeps his eyes out for such details | 05:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to pick up an SDIO wifi card | 05:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that samsung would be nice if it was touchscreen | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could get a 15" LCD with touch for about $250 | 05:11 |
| lcuk | but you need an additional computer ontop | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, it would make an interesting carputer | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | much more doable than the Mac Mini | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Additional computer? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle is the computer. | 05:12 |
| lcuk | the samsung is all in one, that is the thing | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Samsung would only be an all-in-one if I stuck a Beagle in there | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was my point. | 05:16 |
| lcuk | http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=50BR <<< samsung all in one. isnt that what you were on about | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, no | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't even know they made an all-in-one | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was saying I was going to hack the Beagle into a 19" Samsung LCD and turn it into an all-in-one computer | 05:17 |
| lcuk | well samsung have beat you to it :P | 05:17 |
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| summatusmentis | beagleboards are tiny, I didn't know they were that small | 05:20 |
| * jott just had to make himself a delicious bagel with all this beagle talking | 05:21 | |
| jott | yummy | 05:21 |
| summatusmentis | bagel?!? :( I miss bagels | 05:22 |
| n800n | mister bagels | 05:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it's an N810 without a screen or case. | 05:24 |
| summatusmentis | same identical board? I'm checking the site now | 05:25 |
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| jott | summatusmentis: yes, with cream cheese, ham, salad, tomatoes and sliced cheese :) | 05:25 |
| summatusmentis | jott: that sounds awesome, minues the hame | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, not identical | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | but roughly analogous | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3530 | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead of OMAP2420 | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fewer extra chip (no BT or wifi) and more ports. | 05:26 |
| jott | summatusmentis: vegetarian? :) | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | jott: yep | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: they're kinda cool | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | I have way too many small arm based machines now | 05:26 |
| jott | well maybe i make another one without ham just for you :p | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | jott: but... DCC SEND it? | 05:27 |
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| teamcobra | hey all | 05:27 |
| jott | isn't there a bagel over ip rfc?! | 05:27 |
| jott | hello teamcobra | 05:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes he had an extra LCD around to put on this computer. | 05:27 | |
| teamcobra | hi jott :) | 05:28 |
| * teamcobra doesn't have any lcd's... just crt's | 05:28 | |
| teamcobra | other than the laptops | 05:28 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: cannibalize one of your 770s :> | 05:28 |
| jott | would be an awesome mod, beagleboard in 770 :) | 05:29 |
| teamcobra | hahahaha.... antilles, you impressed with your beagleboard? | 05:29 |
| teamcobra | I'm veery close to buying one | 05:29 |
| summatusmentis | buy me one? | 05:30 |
| pupnik | did you bake the bagels yourself jott? or buy them in berlin? | 05:30 |
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| teamcobra | summatusmentis, I _wish_ I could pay for a fleet of them | 05:32 |
| summatusmentis | teamcobra: I've got two zaurii, and an n810, plus my centro | 05:32 |
| summatusmentis | not buying anymore hardware (except maybe a FreeRunner or OLPC) :-D | 05:33 |
| teamcobra | hehehe | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | teamcobra, I just ordered one. | 05:33 |
| iXce | is there an index of packages (and more specifically libs) like packages.debian.org, but for maemo? | 05:34 |
| teamcobra | antilles: the missing usb ehci is the one gotcha for me | 05:34 |
| jott | pupnik: i bought just the bread and put the stuff on myself. but you can get ready beagles here too. | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | teamcobra, wait until November | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | iXce, ferenc is working on one. | 05:36 |
| jott | haha | 05:36 |
| teamcobra | antilles: but I love the bleeding edge :/ | 05:36 |
| teamcobra | I'm torn ;p | 05:36 |
| iXce | GeneralAntilles: okai :o | 05:36 |
| jott | ready beagles nice freudian slippery :) | 05:36 |
| pupnik | jott: i have to make my own here... | 05:36 |
| teamcobra | I mean, it _can_ be worked around for the most part | 05:36 |
| iXce | next question: is there someone with a chinook setup who can tell where I could get python-gdbm source package? :o | 05:37 |
| jott | pupnik: you don't even get the bread? | 05:37 |
| pupnik | i think EinsA has some - haven't found em yet | 05:38 |
| pupnik | but they're so good fresh when you make em yerself | 05:38 |
| pupnik | i was the hit at a party with bagels+sourcream+lachs | 05:38 |
| jott | hehe yeah well hard to beat when everything is homemade :) | 05:39 |
| jott | but the bread is fine too when you put it in the oven for a few minutes. | 05:39 |
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| jott | iXce: apt-get source does not help?! :) | 05:39 |
| pupnik | oh yes you're right | 05:39 |
| iXce | jott: well, I only have diablo and diablo doesn't know about python-gdbm | 05:40 |
| iXce | and it's not at all in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.0/free/binary-armel/Packages, yet it's required as a build-dep for avahi | 05:42 |
| jott | indeed. | 05:43 |
| iXce | hmm, this seems to point that the package was already broken in chinook https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-chinook-i386-extras/logs/avahi_0.6.16-3maemo1.dsc.sbdmock.root.log-FAILED | 05:44 |
| jott | iXce: looks like you have to push a python-gdbm package to extras first.. | 05:47 |
| iXce | jott: yeah | 05:48 |
| iXce | jott: though this looks to be a _bad_ workaround, the changelog says it fixes https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2680 | 05:48 |
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| pupnik | there should be an international Bill Hicks soundalike competition for comics | 06:13 |
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| mikkov_ | iXce: how about this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-gdbm | 06:33 |
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| rm_you | hrmrmrmrmrm | 07:00 |
| rm_you | My computer should arrive tomorrow | 07:00 |
| rm_you | so i have a real machine | 07:00 |
| rm_you | and internet will hopefully be STABLE by then <_< | 07:00 |
| GAN800 | lol | 07:00 |
| GAN800 | rm_you the transient. | 07:00 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:01 |
| rm_you | moved back to school >_> moving sux | 07:01 |
| rm_you | yet involves tasty tacos | 07:01 |
| rm_you | and pizza | 07:01 |
| rm_you | and alcohol | 07:02 |
| rm_you | so i guess itz alright | 07:02 |
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| GAN800 | Good, that means it's time to figure out libconic. :P | 07:03 |
| rm_you | lulz? | 07:04 |
| GAN800 | lulz for me, pain and suffering for you. :D | 07:04 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, I ordered a Beagle. | 07:05 |
| rm_you | lol cool | 07:05 |
| rm_you | how much are they | 07:05 |
| GAN800 | I want to get some port extension cables so I can start working on a case | 07:06 |
| robink | rm_you: They're $150. | 07:06 |
| GAN800 | $149.99 | 07:06 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:06 |
| rm_you | if i were not poor | 07:06 |
| * robink wants a $1000 dev board. | 07:07 | |
| robink | ...but I'll probably go with the BeagleBoard. | 07:07 |
| rm_you | and tryin to buy 5x 1Tb hard drives | 07:07 |
| robink | rm_you: Woah. | 07:07 |
| robink | rm_you: Why not go with 750GB? | 07:07 |
| * GAN800 needs storage | 07:07 | |
| * robink could use some storage as well. | 07:07 | |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:07 |
| rm_you | raid5 4tb | 07:07 |
| rm_you | == 5 1tb drives | 07:07 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 07:08 |
| robink | rm_you: Why do you need 4tb? | 07:08 |
| rm_you | cuz | 07:08 |
| GAN800 | Stripe them first for fun. :P | 07:08 |
| rm_you | my 1.5 tb is ridiculously full ATM | 07:08 |
| rm_you | and i would prolly fill 4Tb in like | 07:08 |
| rm_you | a week | 07:08 |
| rm_you | or less | 07:08 |
| rm_you | bluray rips are like 5gb >_> | 07:08 |
| rm_you | i mean | 07:09 |
| rm_you | i only download legal content | 07:09 |
| rm_you | so | 07:09 |
| rm_you | >_> | 07:09 |
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| smackpotato | what can be done with a beagle board | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | Anything you can do with a low power computer. | 07:11 |
| smackpotato | id by one if it wasnt for the fact that my pic project has been draging on for 5 years | 07:11 |
| GAN800 | Think of it like an ARM Via board. | 07:12 |
| smackpotato | ? | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | . . . nevermind | 07:13 |
| * robink wants a multilib profile for sparc64 | 07:15 | |
| robink | Rather, a sparc64 multilib profile for Gentoo. | 07:15 |
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| robink | ARM doesn't need multilib yet, which is nice. | 07:16 |
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| robink | Hello teamcobra. | 07:17 |
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| pupnik | http://xkcd.com/456/ "Linux: A true Story" | 07:31 |
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| Mace_ | anybody here use goaddy certs? | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ew godaddy | 07:43 |
| Mace_ | heh | 07:43 |
| Mace_ | well. they're cheaper than most | 07:43 |
| Mace_ | i just need one for my home mail server so i quit getting jacked up cert errors on things | 07:44 |
| Mace_ | like my n800 and my n95 (especially the n95) | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:44 |
| Mace_ | the n95 won't let me install the cert to bypass the error so i can't just set it up to automatically grab the mail off my zimbra server at home | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | With all things internet, you get what you pay for. ;) | 07:44 |
| Mace_ | well.. the n95 supports (class 2) goaddy certs | 07:44 |
| Mace_ | was wondering how the hell you can tell the difference | 07:45 |
| Mace_ | i would figure a 15/year cert would work on it.. plus ie wouldn't give me those fucked up CA errors too | 07:46 |
| Mace_ | what a racket :) | 07:46 |
| Mace_ | it's like homeland security | 07:46 |
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| teamcobra_ | and not _really_ secure | 07:50 |
| teamcobra_ | that's why there's extended ssl now | 07:50 |
| teamcobra_ | or w/e it's called | 07:50 |
| teamcobra_ | expensive ssl ;p | 07:50 |
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| rm_you | mmm bbl | 07:52 |
| Mace_ | yeah | 07:53 |
| Mace_ | it is overly expensive | 07:53 |
| Mace_ | the extended is just another racket haha | 07:53 |
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| Mace_ | yeah companies have to jump through hoops for validation for the extended certs.. but they are way overpriced | 07:53 |
| Mace_ | and all you REALLY gain from it is a green ie address bar haha | 07:54 |
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| msh | startssl.com are free? | 07:57 |
| msh | GeneralAntilles: not really with certs - you get as much security as the cheapest company provides | 07:58 |
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| RST38h | boo all | 08:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | mooboo | 08:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an N810 want to reproduce this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 ? | 08:30 |
| bef0rd | the keyboard shortcuts seem to work, and 'find bar' and 'location bar' textbox seems to get the focus, however I can't type on them unless I click them | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any change with the toolbar hidden? | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or with the toolbar shown and the URL field focused? | 08:37 |
| bef0rd | hmm there's indeed some strange behavior | 08:40 |
| bef0rd | with the location bar hidden | 08:42 |
| bef0rd | type ctrl + f | 08:42 |
| bef0rd | it will show the find bar | 08:42 |
| bef0rd | close the find bar | 08:42 |
| bef0rd | type ctrl + l, and it looks like a toolbar appears, but it's not the location bar | 08:42 |
| bef0rd | it seems to be empty | 08:43 |
| bef0rd | BUT | 08:43 |
| * pupnik listens to Francis E. Dec http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dec_francis/Dec-Francis-E_rant3.mp3 | 08:43 | |
| bef0rd | it only happens when you hide the find bar using the 'x' button | 08:43 |
| bef0rd | if you hide it with ctrl + f, ctrl + l keeps working | 08:43 |
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| bef0rd | heh dont' know if that made sense :P | 08:46 |
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| dmsuperman | Why is it that I can't ssh into my n800? ssh root@localhost from the n800 works, but from another machine when I enter the right password I get permission denied | 09:13 |
| johnx | try ssh -v and see where it fails? | 09:15 |
| dmsuperman | from the n800 or what i'm trying to login with? | 09:16 |
| johnx | from that machine you're trying to log into the n800 with | 09:17 |
| dmsuperman | no errors | 09:17 |
| dmsuperman | debug1: Next authentication method: password | 09:17 |
| dmsuperman | root@192.168.3.150's password: | 09:17 |
| dmsuperman | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password | 09:17 |
| dmsuperman | Permission denied, please try again. | 09:17 |
| bef0rd | hmm, try again | 09:19 |
| dmsuperman | i have | 09:19 |
| dmsuperman | several times | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | try ssh -vvv | 09:19 |
| dmsuperman | i'm 100% sure it's the right password | 09:19 |
| dmsuperman | http://pastebin.com/d809e340 | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | For me, my ssh would hang after entering the password because of this crap router. I recompiled openssh with a one line fix to packet.c and it works fine now. | 09:20 |
| dmsuperman | it worked for me before though | 09:20 |
| dmsuperman | same setup | 09:21 |
| dmsuperman | just seems to have stopped working now :s | 09:21 |
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| dmsuperman | when I restart the server on the n800 | 09:22 |
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| dmsuperman | it says could not load host key "/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | Did you do something with the /etc/ssh/*.conf files or the ~/.ssh? | 09:23 |
| dmsuperman | disabling protocol version 2 | 09:23 |
| dmsuperman | i haven't done anything with them manually, no | 09:23 |
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| qwerty12 | You may need to regenerate them :/ | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Well, that key file anyway. But it's a little drastic :/ | 09:25 |
| dmsuperman | :s | 09:26 |
| dmsuperman | how can I do that? | 09:26 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/bin/ssh-keygen -q -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -t rsa (I think ?) | 09:26 |
| dmsuperman | nvm, just reinstalled it completely with --purge | 09:26 |
| dmsuperman | no warning when starting | 09:26 |
| dmsuperman | still can't log in | 09:26 |
| dmsuperman | ah, weird | 09:29 |
| dmsuperman | it appears to ask you your password even if the host doesn't exist | 09:29 |
| dmsuperman | i'm using the proper ip | 09:29 |
| dmsuperman | so perhaps it _is_ a firewall | 09:29 |
| dmsuperman | yeah...blargh | 09:32 |
| dmsuperman | it is a firewall | 09:32 |
| dmsuperman | shouldn't be though | 09:32 |
| dmsuperman | everything should be forwarded | 09:32 |
| dmsuperman | i can't ssh from n800 to this machine either | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | bef0rd, mind posting your findings in a comment in that bug? | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | With clear steps to reproduce for each issue. | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: would mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs, edit a 1kb file, mount -o remount,ro /mnt/initfs be damaging? | 09:41 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No, I just did the exact same thing yesterday with a ~14KB file. | 09:41 |
| dmsuperman | how can I flush the dns on my n800? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: someone mentioned there could be corruption due to low space / big erase block or whatever.. but aren't you on diablo? | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hmm, first I've heard of corruption. Yes, I am on diablo. | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah - cos they made a change regarding rw initfs i think? or is initfs mounted all the time rw? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: my idea was to have a bootmenu.conf toolset really, that mounts, edit bootmenu.conf, and unmounts initfs | 09:44 |
| qwerty12 | Initfs is mounted ro. I think it may be rw before the rootfs is selected to boot. What Nokia did was chop 2MB of space off the rootfs and put it on for the initfs. | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | instead of storing stuff in CAL | 09:44 |
| qwerty12 | It's a shame you can't fsck a jffs2 partition manually :( | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 09:45 |
| Cloaker | hello, i have a question. Is there a GNU GCC Compiler package available that is intended to be directly installed and used on the N810 device? I want programme and compile my Programms directly on the N810 device. | 09:46 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search gcc |grep ^gcc | 09:47 |
| pupnik | or check gronmayer to find which repo has gcc | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, there is a chance of corruption with a very full initfs (like with Chinook) | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you've got loads of room with Diablo if you're running stock. | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: so i guess 64kb free space on file system is too low :) | 09:49 |
| pupnik | i want to hack together larger but lightweight and cheap tablets to provide experimentally to bedridden folks | 09:49 |
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| pupnik | *provide internet/compy experimentally | 09:50 |
| * pupnik ponders a beagleboard app | 09:50 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: my idea is simply to flash-once bootmenu, and then only edit the bootmenu.conf file afterwards through mount -o remount,rw, and provide a bootmenu add <title> <partition> <fs> etc | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Building a case would be a pain. | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, send fanoush an email | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, prolly gonna do that, he seems to know:P | 09:51 |
| bef0rd | GeneralAntilles, yea, no problem, let me organize that | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate it when you sit down to google something then forget what you wanted to google. | 09:54 |
| Cloaker | pupnik: interesting. why is the gcc package via apt visible but not via the normal programme manager? | 09:56 |
| pupnik | Cloaker: only packages in section "user" are visible to normal (non-shell) package manager | 09:57 |
| pupnik | afaik | 09:57 |
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| qwerty12 | yep. programs with sections without user/ are only shown in red pill (which you shouldnt turn on) | 09:57 |
| Cloaker | pupnik: ah, good to know. Thanks | 09:57 |
| Cloaker | is there a maemo packet list on the internet available so that i don't have to use always apt-cache search? | 09:58 |
| Cloaker | qwert12: ok, and why shouldn*t i turn on red pill mode? | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, because you have to ask. ;) | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, gronmayer.com/it | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Cloaker: unless you know what you are doing, you can kill the device | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and eventually packages.maemo.org | 09:59 |
| pupnik | and you seem averse to typing apt-cache search, which makes the desire to compile things a little odd | 10:00 |
| pupnik | got a bluetooth keyboard for the tablet? if not you can also install "synergy" to the tablet to control it with your PC keyboard+mouse | 10:00 |
| Cloaker | pupnik: not at the moment but i want buy a bluetooth keyboard | 10:01 |
| pupnik | *usually client to the tablet and server to PC | 10:01 |
| pupnik | i usually just ssh to it | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | ^ + vnc for me | 10:02 |
| pupnik | but synergy is real nice, especially if you're filming some app interaction | 10:02 |
| pupnik | oh yeah vnc server is avialable also | 10:03 |
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| Cloaker | so when there is a way to killing the device by using the red pill mode, why then is there no repository with packages like gcc that can all be savely installed? | 10:03 |
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| pupnik | gcc isn't a user package, it's a developer package | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia expect you to use scratchbox to compile for the tablet. If you need to use a real ARMEL processor, that is what sbrsh is there for. | 10:04 |
| pupnik | well jott enjoys coding on the go | 10:04 |
| Cloaker | pupnik: i know, but why is there no developer repository available for those, that want programme directly on the device? | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | jott != Nokia :P | 10:04 |
| pupnik | but then having met him, i'm not at all surprised :) | 10:05 |
| pupnik | o sorry not jott, lcuk | 10:05 |
| pupnik | brain short circuit | 10:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | Still won't get you gcc. They only want you to add diablo/tools | 10:06 |
| Cloaker | qwerty12: one of the many reasons for me to buy a N810 was the fact, that it is a very small and ultra mobile device with linux onboard a plattform where i can develop on when i am away | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody put together a "Developing on the tablet" guide yet? | 10:06 |
| Cloaker | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for the the url. But there is not gcc in this repository. Could someone add a gcc package to this repository for the people that want programme directly on the device? | 10:08 |
| Cloaker | At least there is wget, nano, valgrind and iptuils available | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Cloaker: i've had gcc running on chinook atleast | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | and if you want a debian dev environment, run deblet and chroot in, unless you want to devel for maemo | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| Gracana | Hmm, I never had any problems installing gcc and friends using the repositories from scratchbox. | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i found a neat trick yesterday - you said you can't strace things in initfs? | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I never said it :P | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | in any case, you can do it with strace -f chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool for instance :P | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | and with ltrace too, which makes it interesting | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | Cloaker: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 10:12 |
| Cloaker | deblet sounds interesting. How many users are using deblet? Is this actively developed? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | Cloaker: no clue, but many people use deblet / debian on tablets in some degree, with chroot or whatever | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i work on the booting deblet part mostly | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | (we call it deblet not to clash with trademark issues, so :P) | 10:18 |
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| Cloaker | Stskeeps: Are there any disadvantages by using deblet native on the N810? | 10:18 |
| qwerty12 | I still want Nokian or debia :P | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, the proper SDK repo contains gcc | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's right next to tools | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | Cloaker: no sound just yet :P but it'll come eventually | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, Detlef made a single click Debian installer | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting.. | 10:19 |
| * qwerty12 is going to kill Nokia for not releasing the kernel-diablo-source -29 yet | 10:21 | |
| Cloaker | GeneralAntilles: Isn't the SDK part of the red pill mode intendend only for scratchbox like this webpage says? http://repository.maemo.org/ | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not related to Red Pill | 10:21 |
| pupnik | 'where he waded naked with his nurses' | 10:21 |
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| * GeneralAntilles facepalms http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=214325#post214325 | 10:22 | |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: i'm making mixes with this Francis Dec... it's crazy how it works with different kinds of music | 10:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles made a mix of Quim saying "Maemo" one time. | 10:22 | |
| pupnik | eww | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 10:23 |
| qwerty12 | Make a video, I'll supply Quim with chains :P | 10:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was trying to pull a pronunciation clip from his LinuxTag speech | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and ended up with a bunch of really short, weird sounding clips. | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I dumped 'em in Logic with a fun baseline | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was stupid, but I laughed. ;) | 10:24 |
| Cloaker | GeneralAntilles: i get really lost in the maemo repository, could someone clarify this by editing this webpage: http://repository.maemo.org/ | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, what exactly to clarify? | 10:26 |
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| Gracana | d'oh | 10:27 |
| Cloaker | GeneralAntilles: I would like to know which repositories are only intended for the scratchbox environment and which one don't belong to the red pill. So only a list of all maemo repositories that are intended for the device | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forget Red Pill | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It isn't relevant to that page. | 10:28 |
| Cloaker | So is Red Pill another repository that doesn't belong to maemo? | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. . . | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is just a "break-me" mode for Application manager. | 10:29 |
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| Cloaker | so i can only break the application manager but not the device? | 10:30 |
| Cloaker | when using red pill mode? | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application manager is a package manager | 10:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill removes a lot of safety and sanity checks, exposing you to packages which can break your device. | 10:33 |
| Cloaker | the diablo repository you mentioned above have a lot of nice packages i need (bash, bc, binutils etc.) is it save to switch now from chinook to diablo? | 10:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 10:33 |
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| Cloaker | Ok, i understand | 10:33 |
| Cloaker | has diablo any disadvantages compared to chinook? | 10:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No | 10:35 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:36 |
| Cloaker | Ok, that sounds good. One more question. I have the device only since a few days, so sorry when i ask to many newb questions. When i was installing some packages with the application manager i noticed with df that all packages where installed on the internal 256 MB flash RAM. Will this change with diablo so that the internal 2 GB flash RAM of the N810 is used? | 10:37 |
| Cloaker | Or do i have to use symlinks to change this all manually? | 10:38 |
| pupnik | most people use dual-boot to boot from a large partition on SD | 10:39 |
| pupnik | but i use the symlink to cheat for some directories | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, it's not RAM | 10:41 |
| pupnik | ? | 10:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are 3 storage places, the internal 256MB flash where the OS normally resides. | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internal 2GB card | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is essentially a soldered-on SD card | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the MiniSD slot | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 10:42 |
| infobot | it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ that's what you want. | 10:42 |
| pupnik | flash was considered a form of RAM, though | 10:42 |
| pupnik | though it's rarely referred to as flash ram | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's inappropriate and confusing to describe it as RAM | 10:43 |
| Cloaker | how does dual booting look like on the N810? is there a boot menu when starting the device or is the second system booted by invoking a command within the first installed system? (for example like loadbin.exe on a pc) | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM isn't permanent storage | 10:43 |
| pupnik | google says: Results 1 - 10 of about 672,000 for "flash ram". | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, sure, the N810 has 128MB of "flash RAM" | 10:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that isn't where the OS is stored. | 10:44 |
| pupnik | no the 128MB isn't flash ram | 10:44 |
| pupnik | Cloaker was just referring to the 256MB internal storage | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is inappropriate to describe as RAM. | 10:45 |
| pupnik | see some of the google links | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, whatever. | 10:46 |
| Cloaker | i know that Flash is not real RAM, like pupnik said i am used to say to Flash "Flash RAM" | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Cloaker: there's a bootmenu initfs | 10:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/images/dualbootmenuonN800-small.jpg | 10:47 |
| Cloaker | do i understand it correct that the boot menu is only showed when i am restarting the device? So i will never see it when the device is coming up from standby mode? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | <<--'s favourite: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu/bootmenu-kc-colors.jpg | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cloaker, right. | 10:50 |
| Cloaker | good to know. One another question what filesystem does the maemo/nokia distribution use by default? | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | jffs2 | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | jffs2 | 10:52 |
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| Cloaker | ok, good choice. I asked because i was wondering because the manual said that it only can read SD Cards with a FAT32 filesystem. So i can use jffs2 from the beginning for the external SD Card, right? | 10:53 |
| GAN800 | No. | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | eew. You wouldn't want to use jffs2 on a sd card. Use ext[2/3] | 10:54 |
| GAN800 | ext2/3 for booting from the card | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | Fanoush is brilliant. I can finally say piss off to those "Setting voltage" messages in my dmesg. | 10:55 |
| Cloaker | no, i don't want boot from the external card. this one is only intended for data storage. The system should all be installed on the internal 2 GB flash drive | 10:55 |
| sxpert | sd cards have flash controller inside. no need for cell saving features from the FS | 10:55 |
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| GAN800 | The 2GB is usually refered to as a 'card' | 10:55 |
| Cloaker | so the 256 MB flash device is the only one that is using jffs2? | 10:56 |
| GAN800 | jffs2 is an mtdblock filesystem. | 10:56 |
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| Cloaker | isn't ext2 better than ext3 for the live time of the flash storage because of the journaling feature in ext3? | 11:01 |
| Cloaker | In the case i mess up the system on my device, is there a way to rescue the system by connecting it with an usb cable to the pc? I ask just for curiosity | 11:05 |
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| GAN800 | Bootmenu is the answer. | 11:06 |
| GAN800 | assuming you mean usbnet + ssh/telnet | 11:06 |
| GAN800 | otherwise: | 11:06 |
| GAN800 | ~flashing | 11:07 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:07 |
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| Cloaker | so i can always rescue my system by flashing? right? As long as i don't have to ship my device to Nokia support that would be fine for me. | 11:10 |
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| bef0rd | almost always | 11:11 |
| Cloaker | ok | 11:13 |
| Cloaker | i have another question to Deblet. Does the N810's OCR software work on Deblet? | 11:14 |
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| GAN800 | If you screw up NOLO, it'll require factory intervention. | 11:17 |
| Cloaker | what does NOLO mean? | 11:18 |
| GAN800 | NOkia LOader | 11:19 |
| GAN800 | It's the bootloader. | 11:19 |
| Cloaker | Oh, ok. Is NOLO installed on the 256 MB FLASH media? | 11:19 |
| GAN800 | In about 10KB of it, yes. | 11:19 |
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| Cloaker | Ok and there is no way to install it again when it is lost by conntecting the nokia device via USB to the PC, right? | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | But unless you intentionally write to /dev/mtd0 or unplug the cable while the nokia flasher is flashing nolo, the chances of nolo getting damaged are low. | 11:21 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | + the fact that you need tools to write to an mtd device which thankfully, the tablet does not ship with. | 11:22 |
| GAN800 | I've heard of exactly one person writing to it and exactly zero people having issues with it from flashing. | 11:22 |
| RST38h | moo, qwerty | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | baa, RST38h | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, looks like I was wrong. Nokia don't keep the mtdblocks protected >.< | 11:25 |
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| GAN800 | aaaand qwerty12 just wrote to the one on the N800 running heinlein.freenode.net. :p | 11:26 |
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| qwerty12 | lol >.< | 11:27 |
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| GAN800 | Now the staffers are here to take him down | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | I'm innocent! | 11:28 |
| GAN800 | He's a witch! | 11:28 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL | 11:28 |
| Cloaker | Does Diablo still use a MyDocs folder or does this now all go to /home/user? | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | OH NOEZ, I'm burnn... | 11:29 |
| GAN800 | Cloaker, why would that have changed? | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | Cloaker: Still use a MyDocs folder. I don't think Nokia plan on breaking compatibility with the many apps hardcoded to MyDocs. | 11:30 |
| Cloaker | that's sad. i really don't like this MyDocs folder. It feels somehow unclean. | 11:31 |
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| Cloaker | and it makes accessing the subfolders more cumbersomely when using x terminal (because of the uppercase Letter in the name, i use a symlynk now) | 11:32 |
| zap | What applications are meant to be in section user/support ? | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | Cloaker, then don't use it | 11:35 |
| GAN800 | zap, the section guidelines aren't really in a state enough yet to say for sure. ;) | 11:35 |
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| Cloaker | the diablo repository has only a sdk and tool folder at the moment what is with the other user applications? | 11:39 |
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| zap | I see only a single package using user/support, and that | 11:41 |
| zap | is a library | 11:41 |
| zap | Cloaker: what diablo repository you mean | 11:41 |
| Cloaker | this one: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/ Are there more repositories? | 11:41 |
| Cloaker | of diablo? | 11:42 |
| zap | sure | 11:42 |
| zap | repository.maemo.org/extras | 11:42 |
| zap | repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 11:42 |
| Cloaker | what a mess! Why aren't the extras and extras-devel folders not in http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/ ? | 11:43 |
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| zap | because http://repository.maemo.org/dists is not for end users | 11:44 |
| zap | and not even for the tablet | 11:44 |
| zap | it's for scratchbox environment (SDK) | 11:44 |
| Cloaker | General Antilles told me that i can use this http://repository.maemo.org/dists repository for installing gcc on my internet tablet | 11:48 |
| pupnik | woot for technology: laser-tvs to ship in 2008 (mitsubishi) | 11:49 |
| pupnik | then hopefully fanless laser projection monitors | 11:50 |
| pupnik | no reason it can't work - dlp mirrors are cheap | 11:50 |
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| trickie | Cloaker: you can use it get gcc, but be careful as that repository is not meant to be used on the tablet | 11:52 |
| trickie | so i'd remove it from the sources list when you are done with it | 11:53 |
| Cloaker | trickie: ok, i also want exchange busybox with bash and this repository does have the bash | 11:53 |
| pupnik | yes sir, i would* like a 73" full-HD 3D laser-tv | 11:53 |
| trickie | Cloaker: thats gonna be a bit of work, and very prone to not working | 11:55 |
| trickie | you will need to replace the meta-packages that define the base system | 11:56 |
| trickie | busybox provides alot more than the shell | 11:56 |
| bef0rd | Cloaker, there is bash available on extras, i suppose you are better of installing that version | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | Well, you can replace bash easily (using zap's bash2) but you can't replace coreutils easily :) | 11:57 |
| trickie | exactly | 11:57 |
| Cloaker | all i need is a colored ls ouput and some gnu-utlis | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | colour ls = www.nitapps.com | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | ok, fine | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | s/colour/color/ | 11:58 |
| zap | maemo logo on garage is borken | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | How do you mean, it's working for me. | 11:59 |
| zap | hmm, it just prints "maemo" in the top-left corner | 11:59 |
| zap | instead of the graphics logo | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | Try ctrl-shift-r | 12:00 |
| zap | https://garage.maemo.org/themes/osx/images/maemologo_small.png | 12:00 |
| zap | this URL does not load | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I'm using the standard theme | 12:00 |
| zap | hmm, how you do that :) I didn't switch any theme iirc | 12:00 |
| pupnik | btw the maemo vmware torrent is on piratebay according to someone i just chatted with | 12:01 |
| zap | it must be some cookie from some other site | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | zap: https://garage.maemo.org/account/ :) | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Choose your theme from there | 12:01 |
| pupnik | perhaps a more open-source oriented tracker would be preferable | 12:01 |
| zap | hehe, piratebay spreads opensource :) | 12:01 |
| pupnik | well it's blocked from china | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, poker timer: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pokertimer/ | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | China blocks a lot | 12:03 |
| Cloaker | qwerty12: thanks, but why does no one add color ls to the official maemo repositories? Also nano would be nice to have. | 12:03 |
| zap | can it be used as a chess timer? :) | 12:04 |
| pupnik | because space is limited | 12:04 |
| zap | Cloaker: you could do that yourself | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Anyone wants the latest version of Slide Rule? | 12:05 |
| zap | I want. What's that? | 12:05 |
| nano- | Cloaker: _o/ | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | zap" fms.komkon.org/SlideRule | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I've wanted that for ages :) | 12:06 |
| zap | cool. Is it an native app or emulated? | 12:08 |
| RST38h | native | 12:08 |
| RST38h | gimme a moment to make a package... | 12:08 |
| Cloaker | when the users are forced to install from x repositories chances are high that the users get a packet conflict or even worse a trojan bye some dubious repositories. That's why it is better to have all available software in on big community distribution so that this problems can a little be avoided. An alternative would be to put gcc into the official maemo user repository, so that the users can geht the source code of their favourite app f | 12:08 |
| Cloaker | rom the project website itself and compile it on their tablet | 12:08 |
| * qwerty12 waits for my latest preempt kernel to compile | 12:09 | |
| zap | Cloaker: congrats, you just justified the existence of the extras repository | 12:09 |
| * RST38h hands Cloaker a brownie | 12:09 | |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Cloaker: if it bothers you, *you* can put it in there. It's a community repo. | 12:10 |
| RST38h | [with a bonus addition of weed for the wonderful idea about gcc] | 12:10 |
| zap | <zap> Cloaker: you could do that yourself | 12:10 |
| zap | that's what I meant | 12:10 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | In fact, there ARE ways to maintain stable set of packages across multiple repos | 12:10 |
| RST38h | For some reason, nobody even considered that though | 12:11 |
| Cloaker | RST38h: i prefer basic calculator (bc) on all my computer devices | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Cloaker: good boy | 12:11 |
| zap | bc makes you look like a geek | 12:11 |
| zap | a gui calculator makes you look cool | 12:11 |
| zap | you choose :) | 12:11 |
| bef0rd | linux makes you look like a geek | 12:12 |
| RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.0-1_armel.deb | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Feed! | 12:12 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks RST38h | 12:12 |
| Cloaker | zap: bc has a much higher precision than most of those eye candy GUI calculators | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | [unfortunately, it is at best an early beta, so don't take it too seriously] | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Bug reports greatly appreciated | 12:13 |
| Cloaker | zap: and bc is scriptable | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Clokaer: If I need a "scriptable calculator" I will use C/C++. | 12:13 |
| zap | Cloaker: I use bc regularily, but given the awkward N810 keyboard I still would prefer some GUI for simple computations | 12:14 |
| zap | Cloaker: and bc cannot plot graphs :) | 12:15 |
| Cloaker | i did't want to be offending. i only said that i prefere bc because of a couple of reasons | 12:15 |
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| * zap didn't as well | 12:15 | |
| Cloaker | zap: yes, a frontend for bc on the N810 would be nice. | 12:15 |
| zap | are there any? | 12:15 |
| Cloaker | zap: for graphs i prefer gnuplot, what else? :) | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Cloaker: can bc take derivatives? | 12:16 |
| Cloaker | zap: there is a frontend for x window, but it is not intendet for the tablets, only for a normal pc | 12:16 |
| zap | RST38h: is that normal: http://pastebin.ca/1174167 | 12:17 |
| Cloaker | RTS38h: derivatives? | 12:18 |
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| zap | f'(x) | 12:18 |
| Cloaker | RTS38h because bc is scriptable you can feed it with any number data and you can write your own functions | 12:19 |
| RST38h | really? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | So, Cloaker, can bc take symbolic derivatives? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Do you know what a derivative is? | 12:19 |
| zap | octave can \o/ | 12:20 |
| Cloaker | If you can express it in a function it is possible. Here are some examples: http://www.cyreksoft.yorks.com/gnu-bc/ | 12:20 |
| zap | octave == bc on steroids :) | 12:20 |
| Cloaker | zap: now that zap said it, yes. | 12:21 |
| Cloaker | i meant the f'(x) showed what you meant with derivative | 12:21 |
| RST38h | So, bc can't? | 12:21 |
| RST38h | let me ask a simpler question: can bc operate on ratios without converting them to floating point? | 12:22 |
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| Cloacker | all decimal number calculations of bc are done with integers, floating point types are not used from a programming perspective, that's why bc has such a high precision | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | ok, that's good | 12:30 |
| RST38h | so ratios are there but not symbolic computations | 12:30 |
| Cloacker | what do you mean by symbolic computations? | 12:31 |
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| Cloacker | you might also take a look in the gnu bc manual http://www.gnu.org/software/bc/manual/html_mono/bc.html | 12:32 |
| _julian | hi | 12:32 |
| zap | RST38h: a bit larger buttons would be better (to avoid the stylus) | 12:32 |
| _julian | is there a way to change the boot logo from the default NOKIA-one to something else? | 12:33 |
| _julian | (on n800) | 12:33 |
| zap | RST38h: and autorepeat for keys (esp. for "C") | 12:33 |
| Cloacker | zap: this is the x window frontend for bc http://x-bc.sourceforge.net/ | 12:34 |
| RST38h | zap: Can't make buttons bigger as they will obscure the paper roll | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | zap: Autorepeat - maybe. requires some thinking | 12:36 |
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| dannym | hi hi :) | 12:36 |
| practisevoodoo | is it possible to copy file to a desktop via bluetooth from an n810? | 12:37 |
| zap | sure, the desktop must provide an obexftp service | 12:37 |
| practisevoodoo | looks like that is linux only, im after a solution for my xp machine | 12:39 |
| zap | RST38h: I can't get it, when I press F1 and, say, sin it will replace last line with something like sin(50000000) | 12:40 |
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| zap | practisevoodoo: windows xp should have the respective service out of the box | 12:40 |
| zap | practisevoodoo: don't you see your windows machine under the Bluetooth branch in the file manager? | 12:41 |
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| Cloaker | are deblet and maemo the only distributions for the n810 tablet or are there more alternatives? | 12:43 |
| practisevoodoo | zap, no | 12:44 |
| zap | practisevoodoo: have you paired your computer with your tablet? | 12:45 |
| practisevoodoo | yup, it appears in the device list | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | practisevoodoo: which bluetooth stack are you using? | 12:45 |
| zap | Cloaker: Angstrom | 12:45 |
| practisevoodoo | erm | 12:45 |
| zap | qwerty12: my guess is "microsoft" | 12:45 |
| zap | Cloaker: and Mamona | 12:46 |
| practisevoodoo | this is where you have to go looking for drive file names? | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | zap: yeah, does microsoft have proper obex? I know it can send and recieve as it worked with my phone. replaced it with widcomm in the end though. | 12:46 |
| practisevoodoo | says, bthprops.cpl, bthport.sys, bthub.sys and fsquirt.exe | 12:46 |
| * zap steals wife father's laptop | 12:47 | |
| RST38h | zap: pressing Fx+key will take sin() of whatever the last line is | 12:47 |
| RST38h | zap: Where last line is either last line in the roll, OR the last line typed | 12:48 |
| zap | RST38h: my last line contains "1" | 12:48 |
| zap | and when I press "sin" it prints sin (1000000) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | that's weird | 12:48 |
| zap | also if I enter "1" | 12:48 |
| zap | and then "+1" | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Oh I know why | 12:48 |
| zap | it prints 2 | 12:48 |
| zap | me too :) | 12:49 |
| zap | its how you store ratios, right? | 12:49 |
| RST38h | It has to do with "." or "," removal | 12:49 |
| zap | yes | 12:49 |
| RST38h | I will fix it | 12:49 |
| zap | if I press "=" one more time (so that it converts to 1,0000000) and then enter +1 | 12:49 |
| zap | I will get 1000001 :) | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stupid phone. Crashes while untarring it's own theme file >.< | 12:51 |
| zap | phone? untarring? | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, sony ericsson. Not a smart phone but the firmware is patched to run elfs. It stores it's themes in a tar. | 12:52 |
| zap | stupid windos, have to reboot just to change machine name | 12:53 |
| zap | practisevoodoo: okay, it works fine for me | 12:59 |
| zap | practisevoodoo: I have paired the devices, and now I see the laptop under "Bluetooth" branch | 12:59 |
| zap | practisevoodoo: when I press on it, it displays the files in the Shared Folder of the windoz, and I can copy files back and forth | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart fspot | 13:00 |
| * infobot throws fspot's poor little doggy off a cliff | 13:00 | |
| qwerty12 | ~lart permissions on a web server | 13:00 |
| * infobot strangles permissions on a web server with a 9-pole serial cable | 13:00 | |
| zap | aha, I see the string "WIDCOMM Bluetooth Software 4.0.1.2301" | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | widcomm is king | 13:00 |
| zap | it was on the laptop initially | 13:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Cool, I had to "patch" my copy to work with my bluetooth stick that came with bluesoleil >.< | 13:02 |
| zap | bluetooth is so slooooooooooooow :) | 13:02 |
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| aquatix | zap: get a new bt dongle? :) | 13:02 |
| aquatix | still, it's slow :/ | 13:02 |
| zap | that won't help :) | 13:03 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: The maemo wiki front page appears to be blank | 13:03 |
| aquatix | zap: and pumping 2GB of data over bt isn't recommended too ;) | 13:03 |
| * aquatix reads backlog | 13:03 | |
| zap | aquarius-: what 2GB, a simple 15Mb clip is a PITA | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | I was getting decent speeds from N73 --> N800. Hardly wifi standard but decent none the less. | 13:03 |
| zap | qwerty12: with or without an access point? | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | zap: bluetooth :) | 13:04 |
| zap | "decent" == 20k/s ? :) | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | lardman, b.m.o. | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | not anything in my power to fix. | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | zap: Round about :). Much faster than N800 --> K750i | 13:05 |
| zap | theoretically Bluetooth gives speeds up to a megabit, but in practice its a lot slower | 13:05 |
| RST38h | Stupid Maemo printf() prints decimal point as comma | 13:05 |
| zap | BT is just a serial port over radiowaves | 13:05 |
| RST38h | Any ideas how ot modify this wonderful behaviour? | 13:05 |
| zap | RST38h: yes | 13:06 |
| zap | RST38h: #include <locale.h>; setlocale (LC_ALL, ""); | 13:06 |
| zap | or just LC_NUMERIC | 13:06 |
| lardman | GAN800: ok | 13:06 |
| RST38h | Umgh | 13:06 |
| * RST38h absolutely hates locales | 13:06 | |
| zap | ah, you want a dot | 13:07 |
| zap | setlocale (LC_NUMERIC, "C") | 13:07 |
| zap | this way | 13:07 |
| zap | you just have to learn them, then it's fun | 13:09 |
| RST38h | it's mess | 13:10 |
| zap | actually it's not | 13:11 |
| zap | it's more or less well laid out | 13:11 |
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| zap | RST38h: What keys switch from and out of the graph mode? (SOFT1?) | 13:11 |
| Cloaker | is there a packet of kismet in the maemo repository? | 13:12 |
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| zap | there's aircrack | 13:12 |
| zap | but since the wifi driver does not support injection, its not too useful | 13:12 |
| RST38h | zap: menu | 13:14 |
| RST38h | zap: setlocale (LC_NUMERIC,"C"); does not work | 13:14 |
| RST38h | still comma | 13:14 |
| Cloaker | i can't use aircrack in my country, it might be heavily illegal here, but kismet is passive and that's why i consider it not that bad like aircrack can be | 13:14 |
| zap | RST38h: Put it after gtk_init() | 13:14 |
| zap | RST38h: it does setlocale(LC_ALL, "") | 13:15 |
| zap | and overwrites your setting | 13:15 |
| RST38h | oh | 13:16 |
| RST38h | Have I mentioned that I hate locales? | 13:16 |
| zap | you just don't know how to cook them right | 13:17 |
| zap | btw, why 5-6 give "-1*1"? | 13:17 |
| zap | also if I start the expression with '-', it isn't appended to previous, it's just taken as separate | 13:18 |
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| RST38h | zap: treats it as negative | 13:21 |
| zap | I understand | 13:21 |
| RST38h | you can click = extra time | 13:21 |
| zap | this is ambiguous | 13:21 |
| RST38h | I know | 13:22 |
| zap | MENU key does not toggle graphics/calculator mode | 13:22 |
| RST38h | but one has to be able to enter negartive numbers somehow | 13:22 |
| RST38h | zap: not menu key. menu option | 13:22 |
| zap | ah | 13:22 |
| zap | maybe menu key could be used? its unused anyway :) | 13:22 |
| RST38h | yes, will use it, gimme a moment | 13:22 |
| zap | If I start being annoying, just tell me :) | 13:23 |
| * RST38h still excorsizes sprintf locale problem | 13:23 | |
| zap | didn't help? | 13:24 |
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| lardman | what calc is this you're talking about? | 13:25 |
| lardman | ssvb: thanks for your email | 13:25 |
| zap | lardman: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ | 13:25 |
| ssvb | lardman: you are welcome | 13:25 |
| lardman | ssvb: Interesting to hear that ALSA disrupts video playback on its own | 13:26 |
| zap | RST38h: http://pastebin.ca/1174221 | 13:27 |
| lardman | ssvb: but there's still some issue with using the DSP, as I can use sw sbc encoding and get decent playback on some videos, but it's still brought to its knees by the DSP | 13:27 |
| lardman | zap: thanks | 13:27 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I think I'll try to get that mp3 decoder that you sent me working, then look at keeping it all DSP-side | 13:27 |
| lardman | ssvb: if you fancy taking a crack at the EAP stuff, then that would be useful as a sink method ;) | 13:28 |
| lardman | bbiab | 13:28 |
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| zap | RST38h: strictly speaking, starting an expression with "+" is ambiguous as well. Maybe a "Chained calculations" button toggle? | 13:30 |
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| aquatix | what's the best way atm to add ogg support to my n810? mogg? `ogg support'? | 13:32 |
| zap | aquatix: MediaBox supports ogg iirc | 13:32 |
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| aquatix | zap: hm, yet another media player :) | 13:35 |
| aquatix | looks interesting | 13:36 |
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| zap | aquatix: thats what I use, the rest sucks | 13:39 |
| * aquatix uses the default media app atm | 13:39 | |
| zap | default media app sucks badly | 13:39 |
| aquatix | ah, python and gstreamer | 13:39 |
| aquatix | myeah, it's acceptable for playing some music | 13:40 |
| aquatix | i have mplayer for movies | 13:40 |
| zap | it doesn't even support unicode tags | 13:40 |
| zap | need I say more? :) | 13:40 |
| aquatix | fair enough :) | 13:40 |
| aquatix | so i guess mediabox does? | 13:40 |
| zap | yep | 13:40 |
| aquatix | ok, let's install then | 13:40 |
| * aquatix will not be able to keep his n810 python-free anyway ;) | 13:41 | |
| aquatix | hell, i'll likely even start hacking some python for it | 13:41 |
| zap | I never would use MediaBox if I would know it's Python :) | 13:42 |
| zap | I thought it's in C++, used it for a month and only then found that %-O | 13:42 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:42 |
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| * aquatix doesn't hate python | 13:42 | |
| aquatix | but it's a largish install | 13:42 |
| zap | I even program in Python :) | 13:42 |
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| aquatix | but a lot of apps use it anyway | 13:42 |
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| aquatix | yeah, it's an interesting language | 13:42 |
| zap | but I had earlier the impression that Python is not for cpu-limited devices | 13:43 |
| Cloaker | how is the memory consumption of python apps on the tablet? Whould native C++ apps need less memory? | 13:43 |
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| aquatix | Cloaker: i guess they would use less | 13:45 |
| aquatix | but it's surprisingly good | 13:45 |
| aquatix | imho | 13:45 |
| zap | sometimes yes | 13:45 |
| zap | the data storage is generally less optimal | 13:45 |
| Cloaker | thanks to lambda function ;) | 13:45 |
| RST38h | @%$#%$ | 13:46 |
| zap | RST38h: still can't get it straight? | 13:46 |
| zap | RST38h: try "export LC_NUMERIC=C" before starting your app | 13:46 |
| zap | if it works, there's a hidden "setlocale (LC_ALL, "")" somewhere | 13:47 |
| GNUton | Hello people | 13:47 |
| zap | elpoep olleH | 13:48 |
| GNUton | pza yeh | 13:48 |
| GNUton | paz yeh | 13:48 |
| GNUton | :P | 13:48 |
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| zap | :P | 13:48 |
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| aquatix | zap: meh, it's first creating a bunch of thumbnails of all pictures on my card | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:01 |
| aquatix | hey Jaffa | 14:01 |
| zap | aquatix: it contains a picture and video player as wwell | 14:02 |
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| aquatix | zap: yeah, but it might be less time consuming to do the thumbnailing on demand :P | 14:03 |
| aquatix | oh well | 14:03 |
| aquatix | it's on DC anyway now | 14:03 |
| dannym_ | can anyone reach the new wiki? <http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page> results in an empty page to me. | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | dannym_, ctrl+shift+r | 14:04 |
| aquatix | odd, it was empty for me first too | 14:05 |
| aquatix | say, what do those lock icons on http://wiki.maemo.org/Playing_OGG_files mean? | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | zap,qwerty: Please, redownload SlideRule again | 14:08 |
| aquatix | zap: yay, it made my tablet reboot | 14:10 |
| zap | who? | 14:10 |
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| aquatix | mediabox | 14:10 |
| aquatix | i tried to load another album while one was playing | 14:10 |
| aquatix | and it hang a bit | 14:10 |
| aquatix | so i tried minimising it | 14:10 |
| aquatix | still nothing happened, then it rebooted | 14:11 |
| aquatix | oh well | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | Evil Python Crashes Another Tablet | 14:12 |
| RST38h | News at 11. | 14:12 |
| aquatix | heheh | 14:12 |
| aquatix | well, this was the first time this happened to me | 14:12 |
| zap | RST38h: one small note: invoke maemo-select-menu-location only if $2 is empty | 14:12 |
| aquatix | normally it would be other kinds of apps | 14:12 |
| zap | RST38bis: pressing '=' several times does not help to subtract from previous value | 14:14 |
| zap | cool, MENU key now works :) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | zap: I don't get the $2 comment | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | zap: to subtract, click - then = then | 14:16 |
| zap | http://pastebin.ca/1174265 | 14:17 |
| * RST38h wonders if going outside is a good idea | 14:19 | |
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| RST38h | zap: I have a completely different installation script | 14:20 |
| aquatix | depends where outside is | 14:20 |
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| RST38h | +32oC, no clouds, haze | 14:21 |
| zap | RST38h: I know, it just shows a example how postinst should work | 14:22 |
| zap | RST38h: before running maemo-select-menu-location check if $2 is empty, this means the package is installed for the first time | 14:22 |
| zap | RST38h: otherwise that dialog pops up even when you upgrade the package | 14:23 |
| RST38h | oh | 14:23 |
| zap | +32 where? It's +19 here | 14:24 |
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| aquatix | +21.1 here according to wunderground.com | 14:28 |
| zap | hmm, I must be dumb but I still can't substract. I enter '25' '=' '-1' '=' then '-' '=' and I get 1+25.0000 ? | 14:28 |
| zap | ah, got it. I must enter '1' not '-1 | 14:29 |
| zap | now that I grok it, it's very handy :) | 14:31 |
| RST38h | hehe | 14:32 |
| RST38h | zap: definitely not +19 | 14:32 |
| zap | how do I zoom in/out? | 14:32 |
| RST38h | zap: zoom buttons on the device | 14:32 |
| zap | ah | 14:32 |
| RST38h | more like +30oC | 14:33 |
| Cloaker | i am going offline now. thx to all. cya | 14:35 |
| aquatix | cya | 14:35 |
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| zap | can we expect 3D graphs any time soon? :) | 14:35 |
| RST38h | http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=moscow,%20russia&wuSelect=WEATHER | 14:35 |
| zap | (also save/load would be nice) | 14:35 |
| RST38h | zap: Save and load happen automatically | 14:35 |
| RST38h | zap: 3d stuff - maybe, dunno right now | 14:36 |
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| zap | :)) | 14:36 |
| zap | would be nice to have several save slots | 14:36 |
| zap | especially if you add 3D plots :) | 14:37 |
| melmoth | Anybody already try to play with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana ? | 14:37 |
| RST38h | I am not even doing 2d plots right | 14:37 |
| RST38h | All the extremal and undefined points are screwed up | 14:38 |
| zap | is it intentional that app does not fullscreen completely? | 14:39 |
| zap | covers just the central part of the screen | 14:39 |
| RST38h | not intentional really | 14:40 |
| RST38h | just need to do some more coding, too lazy for that | 14:40 |
| zap | :) | 14:40 |
| zap | can I reset the vertical scale somehow? I got it very large from previous graph, and now I can't see the new graph well | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | yes | 14:42 |
| RST38h | left-top and left-bottom graph corners will do resets | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | one resets to -10,-10..10,10 | 14:42 |
| RST38h | another resets to function's min/max at the current argument range | 14:43 |
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| zap | hmm, it just shifts the point I click to the center of the plot | 14:43 |
| RST38h | no, try the very corner | 14:44 |
| zap | ah, left-bottom | 14:44 |
| zap | the Escape key is unused, could do something useful :) | 14:46 |
| zap | maybe switch to/from graph mode, hm | 14:46 |
| zap | it would save me from opening the keyboard :) | 14:46 |
| RST38h | it is exit | 14:48 |
| RST38h | at least I think it is exit | 14:48 |
| zap | exit from where | 14:48 |
| RST38h | from the application | 14:48 |
| zap | it is not, and shouldn't be | 14:49 |
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| zap | the close button works fine :) | 14:49 |
| RST38h | dunno | 14:49 |
| zap | and it does not retain state between runs | 14:50 |
| zap | always starts with "0.00000" | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | hm | 14:53 |
| RST38h | ok | 14:53 |
| RST38h | actually I may know why | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | it has no permissions to write .ini file | 14:54 |
| zap | wheres the ini file? | 14:54 |
| RST38h | god knows | 14:54 |
| zap | :)) | 14:54 |
| zap | ~/.config/sliderule.conf | 14:54 |
| RST38h | do you know if fopen("~/.sliderule","wb") will work? | 14:54 |
| zap | no | 14:54 |
| zap | ~ is a shell macro | 14:54 |
| RST38h | thought so | 14:55 |
| zap | it doesnt work at lower level | 14:55 |
| zap | wait | 14:55 |
| RST38h | so what is a kosher way to do it? | 14:55 |
| zap | http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-Miscellaneous-Utility-Functions.html | 14:56 |
| zap | const gchar* g_get_user_config_dir (void); & company | 14:57 |
| RST38h | should I g_free() the result? | 14:57 |
| zap | no, see the description | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | got it. a moment. | 15:01 |
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| zap | what do you use the .service file for? Do you handle files with scripts? | 15:03 |
| RST38h | Not really | 15:05 |
| RST38h | But Maemo really prefers that you run your program as a dbus service | 15:05 |
| zap | would be really cool if it would launch when I would click on some '.slr' file or something like that | 15:05 |
| zap | no | 15:05 |
| RST38h | This way when it is being loaded, you get the feedback | 15:05 |
| RST38h | .slr files are not hard to do really | 15:05 |
| zap | the 'loading APP' popup? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | yes | 15:05 |
| zap | why one would need them :) | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | well, Nokia guys seem to like them | 15:06 |
| zap | :) | 15:06 |
| RST38h | And I just provided a universal init code in my framework | 15:06 |
| RST38h | So it does not cost me anything to have this as a service | 15:07 |
| zap | do you use SDL for drawing? | 15:07 |
| RST38h | no | 15:07 |
| zap | gdk? | 15:07 |
| zap | or plain X11 calls | 15:07 |
| RST38h | *Buffer = pixel; | 15:08 |
| RST38h | this kind of stuff | 15:08 |
| zap | and then blit the buffer with? | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | I have portable graphics - SlideRule will even run on an mp3 player | 15:08 |
| RST38h | XPutImage | 15:08 |
| zap | aha | 15:08 |
| RST38h | Well, in the case of Maemo, I have got a GtkImage widget, so it blits however it wants | 15:09 |
| zap | your emulators also use XPutImage? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | They all use the same EMULib library | 15:09 |
| zap | and what it uses? | 15:09 |
| zap | (on maemo) | 15:10 |
| RST38h | GtkImage | 15:10 |
| zap | um | 15:10 |
| zap | that could be slow | 15:10 |
| zap | methinks it does not use acceleration | 15:10 |
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| TZander | who has commit rights to the 4.1 INSTALL.txt ? | 15:13 |
| TZander | the install instructions seem to be wrong ;) | 15:13 |
| TZander | oh, easier solution; swap the links to the install scripts on http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 15:15 |
| TZander | so people *first* install the scratchbox and then the sdk. | 15:15 |
| dannym | TZander: If in doubt, bring it up on the devel mailing list... | 15:20 |
| lcuk | zap, does anything use acceleration? | 15:21 |
| TZander | dannym: nobody here has commit access? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :D can i put the sliderule on my ipod nano? :D | 15:23 |
| TZander | who knows how to get root on the maemon devel image? | 15:23 |
| dannym | TZander: what do you mean? In Scratchbox? | 15:26 |
| jott | TZander: in scratchbox you just use "fakeroot". | 15:27 |
| jott | ~rootsh | 15:27 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 15:27 |
| jott | for the device | 15:27 |
| TZander | no, on my n810 | 15:28 |
| jott | TZander: rootsh (or easyroot) it is. | 15:28 |
| lcuk | but thats not the maemo devel image | 15:28 |
| TZander | lcuk: its reflashed | 15:30 |
| jott | TZander: and welcome to maemo :) | 15:30 |
| lcuk | ahhh so i can get a devel image directly on my 810 without the hoops i went through before? | 15:30 |
| CptLaptop | can you do mouse poll without reflash? | 15:31 |
| TZander | lcuk: dont know; I just handed it to someone that figured it all out before and he hooked mine up with usb and a little while later it was flashed. | 15:31 |
| * lcuk must remember not to think too hard so early in the afternoon | 15:31 | |
| Mace_ | hm | 15:36 |
| lcuk | am i bad for wanting to use the fullscreen button for something different than just "fullscreen/normal"? | 15:36 |
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| Mace_ | need to find a damn sd somewhere around here | 15:37 |
| CptLaptop | my fullscreen button is mapped to the coffee maker | 15:37 |
| dannym | lcuk: yup ;) | 15:37 |
| Mace_ | haha | 15:37 |
| lcuk | thats a good plan CptLaptop | 15:37 |
| Mace_ | starts making a pot over wifi? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | dannym, but my app is fullscreen anyway and takes a full couple of seconds to remap itself - i wanna cycle through a few of ui variations on each press | 15:38 |
| dannym | lcuk: no, seriously: the side buttons on the N800 are the only ones that I can press without problems with my big hands so I'm mapping whatever is important there... me evil too :D | 15:38 |
| * Mace_ picture networked coffee pot | 15:38 | |
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| CptLaptop | that would be awesome | 15:38 |
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| dannym | lcuk: I see. FBReader does that with the middle button in the d pad, btw. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | not on mine it doesnt (down and centre dpad are next page, up is previous page) - when rotated | 15:39 |
| dannym | hmm | 15:39 |
| * lcuk wanted to map half the keyboard to down and half to up, but the fbreader ui wasnt very good at mapping loads | 15:40 | |
| * lcuk got bored after setting QAZWSXEDCRFV | 15:40 | |
| dannym | hehehe | 15:41 |
| lcuk | fbreader moes so slowly to the previous page its frustrating | 15:41 |
| dannym | lcuk: do you use the rotate extension of X? | 15:43 |
| CptLaptop | my fbreader runs wild sometimes, just going nuts and jumping through pages like a maniac | 15:43 |
| CptLaptop | dunno if my d pad is gay or what it is | 15:43 |
| dannym | lcuk: FBReader is a lot faster when it doesn't have to rotate the stuff itself | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | dannym, but even unrotated its awful, maybe its the book format i use | 15:44 |
| dannym | CptLaptop: same happens here... is it FBReader or the keyboard itself, though? | 15:44 |
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| * lcuk still has proper book reading ui in mind | 15:44 | |
| lcuk | the screen tapping annoyed me at first | 15:44 |
| lcuk | but now i have my cradle its not bothered me cos i can hold 810 easily | 15:45 |
| CptLaptop | dannym dunno.... i tried setting the pressing time (or wtf its called) to 500ms but still happens | 15:45 |
| * lcuk hopes to have proper text reading in time | 15:46 | |
| aquatix | wtf, i just wanted to ask whether fbreader could be hacked to scroll with the +/- buttons | 15:46 |
| aquatix | but it already does :D | 15:47 |
| * lcuk is wrestling with layout style data and code | 15:47 | |
| dannym | CptLaptop: maybe it's misjudging that the key repeat delay has passed after it tuned down the cpu freq when doing nothing | 15:47 |
| CptLaptop | no idea. annoying either way :/ | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | it goes to 100% cpu when you press a page, so ends up getting caught doing sometihng odd and reclicks a few times | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | its like the bluetooth keyboard repeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat thing | 15:48 |
| lcuk | or the strokes joining together thing when drawing | 15:48 |
| CptLaptop | hmm never watched the cpu bar when flipping pages, using it in otate fullscreen mode | 15:49 |
| CptLaptop | but i get what you mean | 15:49 |
| CptLaptop | the bt bug is annoying too | 15:49 |
| lcuk | ive done lots of watchign with the cpufreq stuff and it slows down VERY quickly even if an app is using lots of cpu | 15:50 |
| CptLaptop | with the rate simon and schuster is going i wont need fbreader :/ | 15:51 |
| CptLaptop | book im waiting for was released on paper july 29, ebook stil l not out | 15:51 |
| dannym | aquatix: yep, cool, eh :) It would drive me mad to use the D pad for reading books (pressing tiny button in cramped area for 800 pages would make me throw it on the floor :)) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | dannym, thats why dpad centre works nicely | 15:52 |
| aquatix | dannym: yeah, aside from the fact that i'd need to slide it out | 15:52 |
| * CptLaptop remaps | 15:52 | |
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| dannym | aquatix: ah, on the N810 it's on the keyboard slide? | 15:52 |
| dannym | aquatix: On the N800 its right beside the screen | 15:52 |
| aquatix | yeah :( | 15:53 |
| aquatix | one of the drawbacks of the n810 | 15:53 |
| lcuk | this is what my 810 lives in most of the time, its open almost all of it and accessible http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 15:53 |
| aquatix | lol | 15:53 |
| aquatix | that's an apple kb? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | the elastic band prevents the innevitable 810 on the head syndrome at night when rotated and reading | 15:54 |
| lcuk | yer | 15:54 |
| aquatix | gotta love the wood | 15:54 |
| aquatix | ah, n810-in-head syndrome | 15:54 |
| aquatix | been there | 15:54 |
| CptLaptop | i have something very similar | 15:54 |
| * aquatix has an igo bt keyboard | 15:54 | |
| CptLaptop | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_2054-1.jpg | 15:55 |
| CptLaptop | sold two of the devices that thign holds -.- | 15:55 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:55 |
| aquatix | CptLaptop: what's it made of? | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | right back later, havin a shower then goin lookin at dead bodies | 15:56 |
| CptLaptop | n810 on head? | 15:56 |
| aquatix | lcuk: er, enjoy | 15:56 |
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| dannym | hehehe | 15:56 |
| CptLaptop | aquarius: wood, paintted and with fabric inserts | 15:56 |
| aquatix | CptLaptop: yeah, when reading in bed, then dropping it | 15:56 |
| lcuk | CptLaptop, i lie on my back in bed with that on chest reading - without the elastic band it would ummm topple - a high tech solution was needed | 15:56 |
| dannym | yeah, letting it fall down when getting too tired :) although I usually lie on the side so it will just fall on the bed :) | 15:57 |
| CptLaptop | i normally hold my n800 over my head, fall asleep, drop it in my face, wake up, repeate | 15:57 |
| CptLaptop | lol good its not only me | 15:57 |
| aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/photographs/tech/IMG_4644.html <- i have a monitor stand ;) | 15:57 |
| dannym | but I actually have a strap thingie that I want to add one of these days... | 15:57 |
| lcuk | before the crate i opened the stand,. wedged a towel or tshirt through it and gripped the towel | 15:57 |
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| dannym | you know like on the cheapo tiny radios | 15:57 |
| lcuk | anyway back later | 15:58 |
| * lcuk goes to bodyworks | 15:58 | |
| dannym | where you put your hand in the strap and its affixed onto the device using a tiny loop through two holes... | 15:58 |
| aquatix | lcuk: cya | 15:58 |
| dannym | lcuk: have fun :) | 15:58 |
| CptLaptop | before i got the n800 i use the psp for readiong. converted txt to jpg, worked rather nicely. used a windshield mount on the side of my bed holding it in angle, and a wired remote underr the covers to flip pages. | 15:59 |
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| * aquatix loved his sony clie palms for reading | 15:59 | |
| CptLaptop | nowadays i use audiobooks mostly, at work | 16:00 |
| CptLaptop | too bad so little ahs been audiolized | 16:00 |
| * aquatix can't stand audiobooks | 16:00 | |
| aquatix | i want to read | 16:00 |
| aquatix | can't really get into audiocasts too | 16:00 |
| CptLaptop | difficult to read when youre in the middle of a forrest with safety gear up your ass waving a saw and hauling wood | 16:01 |
| aquatix | heh | 16:01 |
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| dannym | CptLaptop: tried mbrola? I wonder if it's good enough to auto-speak a text file :) | 16:01 |
| aquatix | when i'm at work, i'm not expected to consume books ;) | 16:02 |
| CptLaptop | lol i doubt it | 16:02 |
| CptLaptop | im very picky with readers, people that sound off to me i dont bother with | 16:02 |
| aquatix | another reason i don't bother :) | 16:02 |
| * aquatix is picky bookwise | 16:02 | |
| aquatix | and i like to not spoil the fantasy world around it | 16:03 |
| aquatix | oh well | 16:03 |
| CptLaptop | what book category? | 16:03 |
| CptLaptop | i prefer scifi <3 | 16:03 |
| aquatix | various kinds | 16:03 |
| aquatix | scifi, thrillers (like Preston and Child), fantasy | 16:03 |
| CptLaptop | the starship series is nice for scifi | 16:04 |
| CptLaptop | but what annoys me is that the falcon banner series by patrick lydon isnt more known, excellent scifi but its only available through some weird online store because hes not known | 16:04 |
| CptLaptop | makes me wonder what other treats are out there, undiscovered | 16:05 |
| dannym | CptLaptop: well around here it's the same even with Isaac Asimov (!)... "who's that?" | 16:05 |
| * aquatix is reading the Foundation series | 16:06 | |
| CptLaptop | ever considered an e-ink device? | 16:06 |
| aquatix | yeah | 16:06 |
| aquatix | too expensive | 16:07 |
| aquatix | iliad would be awesome | 16:07 |
| dannym | aquatix: ah, that one is great :) a story that goes over a looong loong time in the story's history :) | 16:07 |
| dannym | asedeno: (Foundation) | 16:07 |
| aquatix | dannym: i'm with the second book now | 16:07 |
| dannym | oops | 16:07 |
| aquatix | forward the foundation | 16:07 |
| CptLaptop | think the sony reader is 300 or so on amazon | 16:08 |
| * aquatix prefers an open reader, like the iliad | 16:08 | |
| aquatix | thing even has touchscreen | 16:08 |
| aquatix | wacom or something | 16:08 |
| aquatix | note taking++ | 16:08 |
| CptLaptop | holy shit 500 euros | 16:08 |
| jaska | 500e for what? | 16:09 |
| CptLaptop | iliad | 16:09 |
| jaska | for a book reader.. ugh | 16:09 |
| aquatix | that's why i don't have one yet :) | 16:10 |
| aquatix | they said prices would come down | 16:10 |
| aquatix | still waiting ;) | 16:10 |
| aquatix | but i don't consider the others | 16:10 |
| aquatix | way too closed | 16:10 |
| aquatix | iliad reads pdf, txt, images, palmdoc and a lot more | 16:10 |
| aquatix | 1024x768 screen | 16:10 |
| CptLaptop | mice | 16:11 |
| dannym | I have mixed feelings about the iliad... tried my co-worker's... | 16:11 |
| dannym | the way to turn pages is nice | 16:11 |
| aquatix | using my se m600i smartphone for reading books nowadays | 16:11 |
| dannym | a huge huge vertical button which you drag right turn to the next page | 16:12 |
| dannym | (kinda like with a digital joystick, just with one axis :D) | 16:12 |
| dannym | but the screen refresh is reaaaally slow... if you thought FBReader was slow, wait for that refresh... | 16:12 |
| dannym | you can literally see it turning the pixels... | 16:13 |
| dannym | (well, the balls) | 16:13 |
| aquatix | wow, fbreader in portrait mode with the +/- buttons is awesome | 16:13 |
| aquatix | dannym: yeah | 16:13 |
| aquatix | one of my nitpicks too | 16:13 |
| aquatix | let's hope they come up with a new one | 16:13 |
| lcuk | with faster balls | 16:14 |
| aquatix | doesn't even have to do colours | 16:14 |
| aquatix | yeah | 16:14 |
| aquatix | ereader: now with faster balls | 16:14 |
| dannym | hehehe | 16:14 |
| lcuk | ereader: we can rotate your balls at 30fps | 16:14 |
| aquatix | *ouch* | 16:15 |
| aquatix | meh | 16:15 |
| aquatix | how can i add a complete dir to fbreader's library? | 16:15 |
| lcuk | it seems to have a mind of its own - just stop looking at it and add single files as required, then at some point in the future it will add the rest | 16:16 |
| lcuk | im not meant to be here now am i | 16:16 |
| dannym | aquatix: I just enabled the file manager's file type connection. | 16:16 |
| dannym | aquatix: association* | 16:17 |
| dannym | aquatix: and usual open the books from the file manager. | 16:17 |
| lcuk | for a media scanner (documents images movies etc) am i best to default the folders to ~/MyDocs;mmc1;mmc2 ? | 16:18 |
| dannym | (what is it with adding a mini file manager to each and every app anyway? Is there some advantage to that which I don't know yet?) | 16:18 |
| aquatix | dannym: heh, k | 16:18 |
| lcuk | dannym, for the book reader a library is important: you need to know what you have read and where you are upto | 16:18 |
| lcuk | and since you have a list of the active books it makes sense to give it a ui and allow the user to continue doing things with them | 16:19 |
| aquatix | wow, this is quite awesome; white text on black bg, portrait and doing page next with + | 16:19 |
| * aquatix likes | 16:19 | |
| lcuk | and since the library is there it makes sense to allow add new entry | 16:19 |
| dannym | lcuk: ah, I see... makes sense... | 16:19 |
| lcuk | aquatix, turn the brightness right down at night as well | 16:19 |
| aquatix | lcuk: does so automatically already | 16:19 |
| * dannym remembers what he read himself :) | 16:20 | |
| lcuk | and where you are upto everytime? | 16:20 |
| aquatix | i have it turned quite low already | 16:20 |
| lcuk | i just like to open the book reader and carry on | 16:20 |
| dannym | lcuk: yeah, FBReader the position within the file (also in the file manager case). | 16:22 |
| dannym | lcuk: so it will scroll to where I was within the file when I reopen the file. | 16:22 |
| dannym | (hmm.. the "jstar" text editor does, too. "vi" does, too. I think it's quite usual to :D) | 16:23 |
| lcuk | yer, but i dont like to have to go back to my bookcase and find my book each night | 16:23 |
| lcuk | i just reach over to my nightstand and pick up my current book ("My selection/fbreader") | 16:23 |
| dannym | lcuk: (yeah, FBReader auto-reopens the book that was open the last time when I start it :)) | 16:24 |
| * aquatix did `look in subdirs' and now fbreader hangs with 100% cpu | 16:25 | |
| dannym | lcuk: But I get your point, the filesystem is not in read order and so you use the prog since it lets you put your books in some order. | 16:25 |
| aquatix | fun, fun | 16:25 |
| aquatix | yay | 16:25 |
| dannym | aquatix: :( | 16:25 |
| lcuk | aquatix, just leave it for a while and let it scan all the books | 16:25 |
| lcuk | its recursively scanning through wherever you told it to | 16:26 |
| lcuk | and back through symlinks and aover the hills and checking your neighbours cabinet and the book store and the factory and the bins over there | 16:26 |
| lcuk | but it will finish eventually (estimated sometime middle of september 2046) | 16:27 |
| dannym | hehehe | 16:27 |
| aquatix | lcuk: it came back indeed, hence my `yay' | 16:27 |
| dannym | it will crash in 2038 because of time_t overrun :D | 16:27 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 16:27 |
| lcuk | lol or sometime before when the asteroid hits | 16:27 |
| aquatix | 2012 | 16:28 |
| dannym | hehe. 5th September 2012 ? :) | 16:29 |
| lcuk | it might have reached sentience before then however - reading all those books makes it super intelligent | 16:29 |
| lcuk | dont let it have access to the net | 16:29 |
| aquatix | lcuk: too late | 16:29 |
| aquatix | wifi is on | 16:29 |
| lcuk | you know it will because all the balls will start rotating | 16:29 |
| aquatix | and it read the Dune series and Stephen King stuff | 16:29 |
| * aquatix is starting to get scared | 16:29 | |
| aquatix | that combination can't be good :) | 16:29 |
| lcuk | if its anything like me it wont get into dune - ive been stuck re-reading the first 30 pages before giving up for ages | 16:29 |
| * lcuk is a known space niven fan | 16:30 | |
| * aquatix has read the first 3 or 4 Dune books when he was 12, 13 | 16:30 | |
| lcuk | i was reading tolkien back then | 16:31 |
| aquatix | only read the Hobbit | 16:32 |
| aquatix | too much damn singing :) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:32 |
| lcuk | anyway the dead bodies are gonna be bored waiting for me | 16:32 |
| * lcuk goes again | 16:32 | |
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| lcuk | *bodyworlds | 16:33 |
| aquatix | lcuk: hf | 16:35 |
| * RST38h read Hobbit in Ukrainian when he was 12 year old | 16:35 | |
| aquatix | hm, adding books to series is quite cool | 16:35 |
| * aquatix read the hobbit when the first movie was about to be released | 16:35 | |
| aquatix | didn't bother with the trilogy | 16:36 |
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| aquatix | hm, disk world | 16:41 |
| aquatix | er, discworld of course | 16:42 |
| RST38h | [and it left him fucked up for the rest of his life] | 16:42 |
| dannym | aquatix: I think the Discworld game forever changed my brain to prefer sarcasm :) | 16:44 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:44 |
| aquatix | never played the game | 16:44 |
| dannym | (and later, the books :D) | 16:44 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i was fucked up to begin with ;) | 16:44 |
| aquatix | hm, how to prevent screen dimming to kick in while reading :/ | 16:44 |
| aquatix | dannym: you played the MUD? | 16:45 |
| dannym | aquatix: in "Control > Screen", set "duration" to 2 minutes or so... | 16:46 |
| dannym | aquatix: that one <http://www.lspace.org/games/discworld/> :) | 16:46 |
| aquatix | http://discworld.atuin.net/lpc/ <- mud | 16:47 |
| aquatix | heh, looks interesting | 16:47 |
| dannym | aquatix: The "hero" Rincewind and the librarian (guess which is which :D) <http://www.lspace.org/ftp/games/discworld2/screenshots/dw208.gif> | 16:47 |
| aquatix | rincewind is the doofy one ;) | 16:48 |
| aquatix | oh wait :P | 16:48 |
| dannym | hehehe | 16:48 |
| * aquatix loves the librarian | 16:48 | |
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| dannym | yeah, great... and interesting stuff in his library, too :) | 16:49 |
| aquatix | those books on ice for example ;) | 16:49 |
| dannym | yeah :D | 16:49 |
| dannym | aquatix: if you aint seen dancing skeletons yet: <http://www.lspace.org/ftp/games/discworld2/screenshots/dw209.gif> | 16:49 |
| aquatix | *g* | 16:49 |
| dannym | aquatix: oh yeah, the treasure chest at the bottom of <http://www.lspace.org/ftp/games/discworld2/screenshots/dw215.gif> *does* run from you sometimes | 16:50 |
| dannym | aquatix: (it's the inventory) | 16:51 |
| aquatix | looks weird | 16:53 |
| aquatix | i have a better mental picture of it | 16:53 |
| aquatix | dammit, started reading one of them again | 16:53 |
| aquatix | [10 - Moving Pictures] | 16:54 |
| aquatix | i started from the beginning a while ago | 16:54 |
| dannym | aquatix: oh, haven't read that one yet :) | 16:55 |
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| aquatix | dannym: me neither | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | Gentlemen , whoever wanted to test SlideRule, get the latest version here: | 17:14 |
| RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.0-1_armel.deb | 17:15 |
| GAN800 | lardman, you didn't follow a bug. . . . | 17:17 |
| GAN800 | s/follow/file/ | 17:17 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: lardman, you didn't file a bug. . . . | 17:17 |
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| dannym_ | back... | 17:18 |
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| dannym_ | anyone knows what one uses nowadays in the non-DEVFS days to say "if product_id == <whatever> load <foo kernel module>"? | 17:19 |
| aquatix | RST38h: oh, let me wget | 17:20 |
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| aquatix | mime sketch/png? | 17:21 |
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| dannym | I found a very convoluted way to be something like: SYSFS{idVendor}=="0af0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="d033", PROGRAM="/bin/uname -r", RUN+="/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/%c/kernel/drivers/net/wwan/hso.ko" | 17:22 |
| dannym | but they can't be serious? | 17:22 |
| aquatix | they aren't, it should have define 0xDEADBEEF in there somewhere too | 17:23 |
| aquatix | [sorry, i'm a tad lame today] | 17:23 |
| dannym | err :D | 17:23 |
| dannym | aquatix: about the "sketch/png" mime before, yeah, that's a really official mime type (not :D)... but Xournal uses that for its file type associations :) | 17:30 |
| dannym | in GNU Makefiles, what is the difference between "=" and ":=" ? | 17:30 |
| dannym | (why doesn't Xournal just use SVG? Or is it overkill for its uses? :)) | 17:31 |
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| RST38h | svg is an overkill for just about everything | 17:36 |
| RST38h | but still... | 17:36 |
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| dannym | aaargh. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | did something crash? | 17:49 |
| dannym | I'll never say anything bad again about the Gentoo build system. | 17:49 |
| dannym | the Debian build system is way more convoluted. | 17:49 |
| dannym | RST38h: worse, it's ignoring commands :) | 17:49 |
| dannym | RST38h: you don't know by chance how the install part of "dpkg-buildpackage" works? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | no idea, I ignore it completely | 17:50 |
| dannym | RST38h: I mean the part that comes after "make install" of the package and collects the files so installed (into some tempdir) and puts them into a DEB file | 17:50 |
| dannym | RST38h: hehehe | 17:50 |
| dannym | what's a "dh_install -p"? I found <http://xgen.iit.edu/cgi-bin/man/man2html?1+dh_install> and that doesn't even mention that "-p" exists :( | 17:52 |
| dannym | (and there's no "man" in Scratchbox - and I have no Debian host system - so...) | 17:53 |
| dannym | can someone who has Debian run "man 1 dh_install" and/or "man 7 debhelper" please? :) | 17:54 |
| Mace_ | gentoo sucks when it breaks | 17:54 |
| jott | dannym: what do you want to know? | 17:54 |
| Mace_ | i had a python problem that was an absolute pain | 17:54 |
| dannym | jott: what "dh_install"'s option "-p" is. | 17:55 |
| jott | -ppackage, --package=package | 17:55 |
| jott | Act on the package named "package". This option may be specified multiple times to make debhelper operate on a given set of packages. | 17:55 |
| RST38h | http://rutube.ru/tracks/929140.html?v=d01cfa06a2c03a3ad9011cc442e95892 <==== What the hell is he doing? | 17:56 |
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| dannym | Mace_: yes, but that's merely a problem of the ... err... packages themselves, not the package build/install system. But I know what you mean... | 17:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Get a new copy of SlideRule | 17:56 |
| RST38h | same url | 17:56 |
| dannym | Mace_: updating Python on Gentoo is evil anyway since the package manager itself uses it and so it can easily shoot itself ;) | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Will do, thanks | 17:57 |
| Mace_ | exactly | 17:58 |
| Mace_ | that is the problem i had | 17:58 |
| jott | RST38h: haha :) | 17:58 |
| dannym | Mace_: but in Gentoo they install the new package _before_ they remove the old one :) I've seen build systems (*cough* *cough* Solaris) that will merrily 'uninstall the old version of "libc" first' and 'then install the newrqwrqw@*! NO SYSTEM' ;) | 17:58 |
| jott | RST38h: (the video) | 17:58 |
| * RST38h still suspects this video to be fake though | 17:58 | |
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| dannym | Mace_: (and that without asking beforehand :)) | 17:59 |
| jott | yeah not unlikely, still funny :) | 17:59 |
| Mace_ | is there an epiphanny for maemo? | 18:00 |
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| dannym | jott: mmm... what is a "package"? does it mean something like "if $subsection == <whatever_was_-p's_arg> dh_install_body else skip" ? | 18:00 |
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| Mace_ | i'd love to run that instead of the stock browser | 18:00 |
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| Mace_ | epiphany works with zimbra properly on the n800 in nit-debian | 18:01 |
| dannym | jott: that is, it waits until it's actually building (say) "xyz-dev" part of "xyz" and only then, dh_install does something? | 18:01 |
| Mace_ | the ajax interface | 18:01 |
| jott | dannym: the subpackage if your build consists of more than one pacakge. | 18:01 |
| dannym | *the "dh_install -pxyz-dev" does something? | 18:01 |
| jott | dannym: basically dh_install -pfoo will copy the file to debian/foo/ | 18:02 |
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| dannym | jott: okay... and how does it go into the correct DEB from there? | 18:03 |
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| Mace_ | maemo.org seems messed up | 18:05 |
| jott | dannym: in the end dh_builddeb | 18:05 |
| jott | dannym: just let dh_make create the initial sturcture ;) | 18:05 |
| dannym | ah, *checks* | 18:05 |
| dannym | (btw, <http://pastebin.com/m6f21bcfc>) | 18:05 |
| jott | dannym: check that the *.install files everything you want to have in the package | 18:07 |
| jott | ...list/contain.. | 18:08 |
| dannym | jott: I added a "dh_builddeb -p hso-driver" and it's there now :D | 18:08 |
| dannym | jott: the next time I'll start afresh and use dh_make to create the structure, I guess... this time I tweaked an existing debian port (mistake. miistake :D) | 18:09 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: lol, looks like he's eating his tie | 18:10 |
| dannym | jott: thanks :D so one needs to do "dh_builddeb" for each of the "packages" of a "build" manually :) | 18:10 |
| aquatix | first i thought he was sniffing ladies underwear :P | 18:11 |
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| jott | dannym: you could leave out the -p part and then it should build all packages :) | 18:11 |
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| dannym | jott: heh. Good to know :) | 18:13 |
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| dannym | jott: Cool. I have a HSO modem driver on garage.maemo.org now which can build to a binary DEB file on its own... thank you ^^ | 18:16 |
| dannym | (or, rather, two DEB files...) | 18:16 |
| dannym | what's the convention for metapackages in Debian (or Maemo)? | 18:16 |
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| dannym | In this case it's like thi: to actually be able to use the Modem driver, you first have to switch the Modem itself from CDROM ("install CD") to MODEM mode using "usbmodeswitch". | 18:17 |
| dannym | "usbmodeswitch" does that using the SCSI generic device that appears and so it needs "sg". | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | congratulations dannym | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: Tried out usb mode switch yet? :) | 18:18 |
| dannym | pupnik_: thanks :) | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | *usbmodeswitch :) | 18:18 |
| * pupnik_ waves hand in front of qwerty12's face | 18:20 | |
| * qwerty12 shoots it down | 18:20 | |
| dannym | qwerty12: yes, although I didn't get it to work (as in, actually switch the modem) yet | 18:22 |
| dannym | qwerty12: I'm still struggling with the config file. Does it allow multiple entries and will try the one that matches? The config file has a weird format I've never seen before (duplicate keys without grouping) | 18:23 |
| dannym | qwerty12: (but it does build and package and so on :)) | 18:23 |
| dannym | although we still have to work out where to put "sg"? | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | dannym: In all honesty, I haven't tried usbmodeswitch, I just debianised it :) | 18:23 |
| dannym | reminds me, | 18:24 |
| dannym | zap: are you there? :) | 18:24 |
| dannym | qwerty12: I see. Well, I'll get it to work (or revert to Rezero) | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, Rezero sounds like a better choice. I wish I had a 3G modem to actually try this stuff out :/ | 18:25 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: I wish I had enough Wireless / a cellphone with HSDPA so I didn't have to have a 3G modem ;) | 18:26 |
| dannym | oh well ^^ | 18:26 |
| str8edge | hey can you customize the locations for the world clock to add a new city? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: Are you on a contract? Get them to upgrade. | 18:27 |
| str8edge | There's nothing for my specfic timezone in the n810 (cst/cst) | 18:27 |
| dannym | qwerty12: yeah. In the long term, that sounds like a good idea :) Right now, I foolishly upgraded a few months ago to some not quite-as-ancient phone (but still ancient enough) so I'll wait until my "points" recovered a bit... | 18:28 |
| dannym | qwerty12: also have to research which phone actually works (quickly enough etc) as a modem for the N8x0 ... | 18:29 |
| dannym | (I think there was a Wiki page for that... hmmm :)) | 18:29 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: btw, can you read the source code of usb_modeswitch? I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the "else" in "usb_modeswitch.c" line 246 belongs to with all that weird indentation :) | 18:30 |
| dannym | *runs indent* ;P | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | str8edge: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=188982 | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: no :/ | 18:31 |
| dannym | qwerty12: what the "usb_modeswitch" actually says when I run is something like "found 1 device" and in the next line "found no device, are you sure it's plugged in?" O_o | 18:32 |
| * dannym digs around in the newly indented source code... aah... better. | 18:33 | |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like usb_modeswitch is ******, hmm, does it have any advantages over Rezero? | 18:33 |
| n800n | ******? | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | fucked | 18:34 |
| n800n | ah, ****** | 18:34 |
| str8edge | qwerty12: it's even for my city.. perfect! thanks, man! | 18:35 |
| dannym | qwerty12: supports more devices, it seems. Wonder if that's an advantage, though ;) | 18:35 |
| _julian | anyone here who did develop qt4 on maemo yet? | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | str8edge: lol, nice coincidence :). No problem | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: I'm not sure if this program is actually liking the tablet. May be why the original author didn't compile it for N8x0 (he has a N810) | 18:36 |
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| jott | _julian: yes :) | 18:42 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: aha. If I remove "rezero", it works since it won't be automacially changed before "usb_modeswitch" even sees it ;) | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 18:45 |
| * dannym bangs head on keyboard | 18:47 | |
| _julian | jott: if I set up a maemo sdk and install the qt packages should I then be able to compile plain qt apps in there? | 18:47 |
| * qwerty12 is annoyed to find his mmc card running in 25Hz and not 48Hz >.< | 18:47 | |
| dannym | qwerty12: trying the MMC kernel patch? :) | 18:48 |
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| jott | _julian: yes. | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: Yeah :). I've installed the patches of Philip Langdale's fine + I mixed it with a bit of code by fanoush :/ | 18:49 |
| _julian | jott: cool (c: | 18:49 |
| _julian | will give that a shot | 18:49 |
| jott | _julian: just add extra-devel repository and install the -dev packages. | 18:49 |
| dannym | qwerty12: I tried it earlier and forgot that then, rotation support would be missing :( | 18:49 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: so reverting kernel now... | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202849&postcount=19 | 18:50 |
| dannym | qwerty12: cool... thanks ^^ | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | no problem :). Real work is jott's and Philip Langdale's :) | 18:55 |
| dannym | thanks, jott, philipl. :) | 18:57 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: (I'd use the "Thank" button on the forum but as you maybe remember it doesn't appear in my browser... and I couldn't be assed to find out why it doesn't ;)) | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | dannym: hehe, no problems :D | 19:04 |
| * qwerty12 keeps switching on the tablet in hopes that it forgets the battery is dead and lets me boot. I need to check the uname ffs >.< | 19:04 | |
| lbt | what uname? | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12 | uname for the kernel on my tablet. I need to check I flashed the right one. | 19:05 |
| lbt | ok - I can't check that :) | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:05 |
| * qwerty12 jacks my brothers charger | 19:07 | |
| dannym | hehehe | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 19:07 |
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| crashanddie | I have this screen update problem in xchat | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | and sometimes, not all characters (if any) are shown when someone types a line | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | for a second, I saw: | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | * qwerty12 jacks my brother | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, a font problem? | 19:08 |
| dannym | qwerty12: you have no idea how that sounds after having seen the movie "Robots" just now ;) | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | I'm going back to sleep now | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: do I want to know? :P | 19:09 |
| dannym | no ;) | 19:09 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: unless your brother is a robot and you just unplugged him :D | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | In that case, I'll keep his charger forever :P | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12 has another crack at cx3110x. Although not as a much a priority to me now as "uname manipulation" allows the original cx3110x to load up in a preempt kernel. | 19:13 | |
| dannym | qwerty12: what are you plotting? Preemptive N8x0 desktop? :) | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I just wanted to see if I could get a preempt kernel that worked without having no wifi and one that didn't need no-lifeguard-reset to run. Now that I have a preempt kernel, I still fail to see any speed increases :) | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | afaik, 770's kernel is preempt by default | 19:17 |
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| * johnx usually finds preempt kernels slower | 19:20 | |
| johnx | or rather, they feel slower under the workloads I usually throw at them | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Any ideas what this error message means? http://pastebin.com/d63a2acb . I wouldn't care usually, but insmod won't insert the module either due to unknown symbols. | 19:28 |
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| dannym | qwerty12: some of the missing symbols are from "umac.ko"... is that loaded? | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: it was, thanks for that. looks like i'm sol then as umac sources aren't available :) | 19:32 |
| dannym | qwerty12: the mamona guys have dummy stubs, if that helps.. | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: it does, thanks a lot, checking now... | 19:33 |
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| dannym | hmmm, do I have to request SSH access for "garage.maemo.org" spearately? | 19:44 |
| dannym | (for "dput") | 19:44 |
| dannym | separately* | 19:45 |
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| lbt | dannym: once you get the invite you can submit a gpg key and ssh key | 19:47 |
| lbt | then dput works fine | 19:47 |
| dannym | lbt: invite? Hmm... *amnesic* | 19:48 |
| lbt | are you trying to submit packages? | 19:48 |
| lbt | for */extras-* | 19:49 |
| dannym | lbt: yes | 19:49 |
| dannym | lbt: yes | 19:49 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 19:49 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, after a lot of makefile modifications, I got the cx3110x to build successfully, thanks dannym! | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | (and the mamona team) | 20:06 |
| zap | why you have rebuilt it? | 20:08 |
| zap | does it have some modifications? (injection?) | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, plain cx3110x, I want to rebuild all the modules in initfs against my preempt kernel tree | 20:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Except for umac and mtum, they are all rebuilt now | 20:09 |
| * zap just submited the request for a "kernel modules" project which provides a kernel module build environment | 20:10 | |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Be nice from all the symlinking I do :) | 20:11 |
| RST38h | zap: get new sliderule | 20:11 |
| RST38h | zap: it should save the tape roll now | 20:11 |
| zap | cool | 20:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | hehe :D | 20:21 |
| dannym | hmm? :) | 20:22 |
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| zap | RST38h: its allright except that if I delete the dangling "0.000000" it does not save that :) I prefer starting from a clean sheet | 20:27 |
| Luria | anyone got a usb tv out device to work with an IT? | 20:32 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo | 20:36 |
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| rm_you | which logos should i put on shirts | 20:36 |
| zap | hehe, my father-in-law broke the LCD on his N95, how he can use it only when connected to a TV :] | 20:36 |
| rm_you | right now i am thinking these: | 20:36 |
| rm_you | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo_org_logo_contest_narbat_12.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_5.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_setan666_1.png | 20:36 |
| rm_you | need to do a few more | 20:37 |
| rm_you | want to have a full 6 days worth of maemo shirts :P | 20:37 |
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| rm_you | thoughts anyone? | 20:37 |
| * zap likes 2nd | 20:38 | |
| rm_you | yeah well, those three i will definitely do | 20:38 |
| rm_you | need more suggestionsd | 20:38 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, the Apple Works one. :P | 20:52 |
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| crashanddie | rm_you, do you want me to be honest ? | 20:54 |
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| GAN800 | You and khertan will be a great pair to photograph if you use the Apple Works one. | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | lardman still fails at filing that bug | 20:56 |
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| gregorovius | is there a simple text editor available for nits I can use over ssh? | 23:15 |
| gregorovius | like nano | 23:15 |
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| Toba__ | yes | 23:16 |
| Toba__ | ...oh i thought you meant on a real linux distro. | 23:17 |
| GAN800 | vi | 23:17 |
| flo_lap | re | 23:17 |
| GAN800 | Hey, florian | 23:17 |
| gregorovius | I tried vi, but it's acting funky over ssh | 23:17 |
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| legind | gregorovius, try vim | 23:18 |
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| legind | vi shouldn't act funky over ssh | 23:18 |
| legind | or, any more funky than it usually acts | 23:18 |
| legind | ;) | 23:18 |
| Kegetys | nano works fine for me | 23:18 |
| gregorovius | I can't find nano in my nit | 23:19 |
| gregorovius | but I found midnight commander, so all is good | 23:20 |
| Toba__ | I can't find any nits in my nano | 23:20 |
| Toba__ | maybe I should shave it | 23:20 |
| Kegetys | apt-get install nano | 23:20 |
| Kegetys | or nano-tiny | 23:20 |
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| RST38h | http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/35391/title/Do_subatomic_particles_have_free_will%3F | 23:27 |
| RST38h | Scary stuff | 23:27 |
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| fred | Hi - I'm trying to get my qt4.4-based media player working on my N810 - the major problem is "Warning: you do not seem to have the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good installed" - I do - and media playback doesn't work in my player. | 23:34 |
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| fred | a secondary one is QDesktopServices::storageLocation() seems to be completely arbitrary, but I can hack around that if needed; I've got no idea on the former though, and would appreciate any suggestions | 23:34 |
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| gregorovius | how can I change my NIT's hostname? | 23:43 |
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| gregorovius | so I can 'ssh mynokia' | 23:44 |
| arachnist | /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname | 23:44 |
| gregorovius | thanks arachnist | 23:47 |
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