IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-08-15

thefoolso I wonder what makes it the "epitome of lameness"00:00
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algerioncurrenly, I'd guess lack of things to do with it, but that will change once it gets put into something that will compete with the iphone00:01
GeneralAntillesthefool, well, it doesn't really do or have anything interesting at the moment00:02
GeneralAntillesIt's lame non-native code00:02
GeneralAntillesit's a cellphone OS00:02
GeneralAntillesand the version on the tablets is about 3 major revisions old00:02
GeneralAntillesand not going to get any newer.00:02
piguetHi! I've written a GPS application, released in beta as a deb file at, and some notes on the creation of deb files, at . Where should I announce them?00:03
glass_android is just lame new personal java00:03
glass_and late too00:03
GAN800Oh, and it's hype-city00:03
lbtpiguet: well - the notes would be great on the wiki00:03
GAN800Hi, glass. :)00:04
algerionanyone run kismet on an 810?00:04
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lbtand is the place to put hike00:04
algerionit always crashes after a couple minutes on mine00:04
piguetIbt: ok, thanks. And the application? Garage seems way too complicated at this stage.00:04
GAN800piguet, get yourself a project and get the application into Extras-devel (
lbtI put Shopper on there00:05
lbtthink of it as a simple file upload for the deb/src00:05
GAN800and see for more details on distributing applications.00:05
lbtsee for a tiny app :)00:05
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GAN800~upload-extras is
infobotokay, GAN80000:06
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piguetThe problem I see with Garage is that one has to submit a source package and I've avoided completely the dpkg-buildpackage stuff (seemed to complicated for a one-source-file project), hence .00:10
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GAN800~extras is
infobotokay, GAN80000:10
GeneralAntillesYou don't have to submit anything to Garage.00:10
lbtpiguet: that's only if you want to publish it to extras, not garage00:10
GeneralAntillesAutobuilder is the one you need to submit a source package to.00:10
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Mekhmm... somehow form scratchbox I can't seem to be able to resolve hostnames... It used to work just fine, but now it won't...00:13
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GeneralAntillesmilhouse, ping.00:17
GeneralAntillesYou see dneary's elections announcement?00:18
milhousedebugging network issues with my squeezebox controller - geez it's a nightmare :(00:18
milhousei did - i saw i'm eligibile :)00:18
pH5Mek: check the contents of scratchbox's resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf or so.00:18
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, send your candidacy announcement in! Gogogo! :P00:19
MekpH5: yeah, but whatever I enter there it just won't work...00:19
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lcukmrs lcuk wasn't very lcuky tonight :(00:27
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Jaffareal sleep now00:28
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RST38hlcuk: how about mrs n800 though? =)00:33
lcuknot yet, i have to say she was incredibly brave and managed to keep hold of the dvd player00:34
lcukshe found a novel and inventive (and rather quick) way to get down the stairs00:34
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lcukshame the bruises wont heal for a while :(00:35
lbtand you're on irc?00:35
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lbtbad husband00:35
lbtgo make more tea00:35
lcuki made all the tea i can and mopped up the blood (this was earlier)00:36
GeneralAntilleswhat the hell happened? O_o00:37
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lbtyeah - mrs lbt slipped on some tiles recently - not nice!00:37
Jaffalcuk: ouch00:37
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RST38hall right, 20 more minutes of reading and sleep00:38
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anders_gudjust got this strange error when opening microb:00:39
anders_gudoperation disabled due to low memory00:39
anders_gudThere is a thread on it here:
timelywhy is that a strange error?00:43
timelyand what precisely is unclear about it?00:43
lcukanders_gud, im guessing that you have run out of memory00:43
anders_gudi've got plenty of free space and mem, booting from mmc00:43
anders_gudyep and swap00:44
timelyso first of all00:44
timelyif you're booting from mmc00:44
timelyi don't support you00:44
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timelythere was an amusing instance where the file system order of the fonts directory resulted in some fonts not being available00:44
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lcuktimely, thats not amusing, that should be anonymised and posted to dailywtf00:46
timelyi can't remember if it was in a bug report00:46
timelyit might be00:46
timelyanyway, one of those comments says they have 16mb of ram free00:46
timelythat seems very low00:46
lcukare patches internally submitted to svn type systems?00:46
timelyin rare cases people post patches to bugzilla00:47
timelyVersion Control varies by product and affiliation00:47
timelykernel is git afiliated00:47
lcukok, is code developed using svn type principles00:47
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timelymicrob will be hg afiliated00:47
lcukahhh right00:47
timely(currently it's actually svn for strange reasons, although upstream is cvs)00:48
lcukhodgepodge reflecting the genetics of each project00:48
Mekah, damn.. there are two resolv.conf files in scratchbox...00:48
Mekthat truely sucks...00:48
lcukcan understand actually00:48
timelymek: that's what makes life interesting00:48
timelyanders_gud: the thing you linked to basically shows devices that don't have enough free memory to run a browser00:49
timelyand you're acting surprised when the browser says as much00:50
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timelyanders_gud: if you want to do something useful, run top, then use /proc to check /proc/{pid}/cmdline to figure out what the memory hogging maemo-launcher's are00:51
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anders_gudwell it seems that only the browser is affected, no other apps are complaining..01:00
anders_gudok it's late - thanks anyway!01:04
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GeneralAntillesAhh, itT. . . .01:04
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timelyno other apps use memory...01:08
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timelyand what part of "this also affects the about product" means "no other apps are affected"01:08
timelyit'd affect any web browser...01:08
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timelylcuk: please anonymize anders and post him to WTF01:09
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GeneralAntillesI unno what's with all the hatin' on Modest01:13
GeneralAntillesI'm really loving it.01:13
lardmannight all01:13
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timelywho hates it?01:14
GeneralAntillesLots of people, seemingly01:14
GeneralAntillesMany of them on itT01:14
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JackBeSlowhave a bit of an issue and could use some help01:19
JackBeSlowI just upgraded from maemo 3.1 SDK to 3.2. Now when I try to connect with the xephyr xserver I get a whole bunch of permission denied errors01:20
lbt'night all01:22
JackBeSlowis the sdk environment supposed to be so bare? All I have is an empty control panel application01:24
JackBeSlowoh, and maemopad01:24
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JackBeSlowand yet another question in case anyone comes on willing/able to answer. Are there any good python maemo tutorials left. I used to have a good basic one bookmarked but can't find it now01:26
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timelyJackBeSlow: "yes"01:27
timelyyou can add other stuff to the sdk if you like01:27
timelyyou should have a gnuish thing in the status area too and maybe something on the "desktop"01:28
JackBeSlowand how do I go about doing that? just download and install the .debs?01:28
timelyis application manager not part of the sdk?01:28
timelyapt-get install then :)01:29
JackBeSlowits the old sdk though bora01:29
JackBeSlowheh ok01:29
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chase_Can anyone tell me if I can build a cable to cold flash an n800 or do I need some sort of jig?01:32
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lcukchase_, cold flash?  the 800 can be flashed using the nokia supplied usb lead.  it removes everything and does not depend upon the currently installed os01:38
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JackBeSlowI am thinking by cold flash he means after the firmware has already been screwed up01:39
chase_it won't even boot up far enough to accept usb flash01:39
chase_flashes white nokia screen for about half a second and goes black.. cycles for about a minute and gives up01:39
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GeneralAntillesSounds like a low battery01:41
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GeneralAntillesHey, timely, lucky you, they filed a bug. ;P
GeneralAntillesIsn't this configurable in about:config?
chase_alright.. if I plug usb cord in.. it shows little usb sign in the corner.. still cycles black and white nokia sign...01:45
GeneralAntillesGot another device you could charge the battery up in?01:46
timelyfrom memory the timeout thing is a bug01:46
timelybut i thought it was already reported (dupeme?)01:46
GeneralAntillesThis isn't what he's after: ?01:46
timelychase_: we don't do usb charging01:46
chase_apparently I just had to time starting the flasher at the precise moment01:46
timelyGeneralAntilles: no01:46
timelywe have some requirements that we honor system inactivity dim01:47
timelyand sadly the apis are horribly misnamed in the platform01:47
timelyso we listen for an event that should be the right one, but isn't01:47
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* timely kicks safari01:50
timelywhere's undo close window?01:50
* GeneralAntilles did that yesterday.01:51 asked me to login01:51
timelyand i assumed i had posted my comment, so i closed the bug (window)01:51
MangoFusion"Reopen last closed window"?01:51
MangoFusionits in History01:51
GeneralAntillesNot in Safari 1.x01:51
timelyyeah, definitely not there01:52
timelyfeel free to give me an unused legal license for 10.501:52
MangoFusion1.x? what os are you living on? ;)01:53
MangoFusionoh right01:53
MangoFusionah i see01:53
GeneralAntillestimely, is from the past.01:54
MangoFusionno obvious way to do that unless you hand over some $$ ;)01:54
Luriaask pystar for one, im sure theyll give you one as a promo01:54
timelyLuria, :)01:54
GeneralAntillesPanther, Bora, it's like we're going on a trip back in time01:55
timelyi think my 770 runs gregale :)01:55
timelyor was it the one before that?01:55
* GeneralAntilles shakes his head.01:56
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GeneralAntillesYou know MicroB's a lot nicer now than it was a year ago. :P01:57
Luriamust not look at guitar webpages01:57
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timelymistral ?01:59
JackBeSlowyea, that was the one before gregale02:00
GeneralAntillesMistral, Gregale, Scirocco02:00
JackBeSlowscirocco? never even heard of that one02:00
timelyhrm, well i definitely don't run scirocco02:00
timelyi run one of the other two02:00
JackBeSlowtimely: at the lest you should load bora on it, it is quite usable02:00
timelyprobably gregale w/ mistral packages?02:00
timelybut that isn't supported! :)02:01
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timelybesides, i have dozens of apps on my device02:02
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JackBeSlowanyways thanks for the help everyon I have a fully working dev environment now. Now I just need to find a good python GUI tutorial...I can't find the link to the one I used before02:02
timelyGeneralAntilles: have you installed the flash fix? :)02:02
GeneralAntillesNo, want me to?02:02
GeneralAntillesFlash is basically perma-off here.02:02
timelyGeneralAntilles: everyone should until we release a real fix02:02
GeneralAntillesWant me to advertise it?02:02
timelywe spoke w/ adobe thursday(yesterday localtime) and they were supposed to certify it02:02
timelyyeah, might as well02:02
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timelywe can't possibly get it out before middle of next week02:03
timelyand i don't know how the ssu process will work02:03
timely... certify it that day w/ us finishing paperwork today (friday)02:03
GeneralAntillesSo, time frame for the fix is within 1 month-ish?02:03
GeneralAntillesOK, then I wont toss it krisse's direction.02:03
timelybut in the interim, i'd hate for people to be blocked from facebook :)02:04
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timelyGeneralAntilles: wanna file bugs about lame strings?02:16
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GeneralAntillesWebsite stuff?02:16
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timelyanyone here have chinook?02:24
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lcuktimely, yer02:41
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, what does this show you on device?
lcukprobably nothing cos i dont use flash, gimme a mo to turn net on02:51
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lcuk2spam again plz02:52
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lcukGeneralAntilles version 9,0,31,3502:55
lcukyou! are! welcome!02:55
brontideGeneralAntilles: despite {{holdon}} tags they went ahead and deleted both archives!02:55
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brontideNot that I am sad to see some of it lost, but why not merge the archives02:56
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GeneralAntillesOdd that they're so interested in deleting.02:56
GeneralAntillesYeah, it wasn't particularly useful stuff.02:56
GeneralAntillesBut it was fairly epic in its own right.02:56
GeneralAntillesSomething fun to show off to friends. ;)02:56
brontideAt that point, just delete all the archives02:56
lcukbrontide, whats bein deleted/02:57
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brontideJust useless talk page ranting02:57
GeneralAntillesThe meanwhile/Umptious archives from wikipedia.02:57
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lcukGeneralAntilles, can i disable flash again on my device now?02:58
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lcukgood, its such a cpu killer02:58
brontideGA actually most of it's still there because the old archives have now overidden the newer archives02:58
GeneralAntillesOh, timely, sjgadsby is working on the back-dated bugjars.02:58
GeneralAntillesSo an even less useful deletion?02:59
brontidejust the inbetween stuff is now gone, I should probably restore the talk page and then remake my archives02:59
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brontidedoing that now03:01
GeneralAntillesJust as long as the articles themselves don't suddenly become full of crazy rambling again I'm OK. :D03:01
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brontidefixed ( I hope )03:06 I though that was fixed!03:07
brontide( empty page again )03:08
brontidechug chug chug03:08
GeneralAntillesNope, the watchdog that was killing threads was fixed03:09
GeneralAntillesThe random Apache thread segfaults are waiting on the server upgrades.03:10
GeneralAntilles2-ish weeks03:10
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tank-manweird, my bootmenu on my n800 is gone and all i did was backup my sd card on my pc03:25
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GeneralAntillesDid you install 30-2?03:27
tank-manwhat is 30-2?03:28
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GeneralAntillesThe first SSU update03:28
tank-mani was dualbooting with diablo on internal flash and chinnok on sd.03:28
tank-manyes i believe i did03:28
GeneralAntillesThen there you go03:29
GeneralAntillesThe initfs was one of the things updated03:29
tank-mani see03:29
GeneralAntillesGrab fanoush's latest initfs_flasher, drop your bootmenu.conf in there and run it again.03:29
* GeneralAntilles still needs to write a section up on the latest SSU update.03:31
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GeneralAntillesOK, wiki article on SSU03:44
GeneralAntillesShould I name it "SSU" or "Seamless Software Update"?03:44
GeneralAntillesSeamless Software Update it is03:50
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jottGeneralAntilles: might be good to add a redirect SSU -> Seamless Software Update03:50
GeneralAntillesAh, yeah, that's a plan.03:50
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uncorq /msg NickServ identify antig0ne03:54
uncorqi hate when I do that.03:54
GeneralAntillesTime for a new password.03:54
uncorqhehehe updating now ;)03:55
jottjust make sure you do not use this password in other places :)03:56
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uncorqonly on the swiss bank account, promise ;-)03:58
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* jott just got rich04:00
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GeneralAntillesOK, updated the wiki a bit04:03
GeneralAntillesWill need to expand the SSU page04:03
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GeneralAntilles~ssu is
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay04:03
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lcuk /msg nickserv identify *****04:05
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, sorry, not bash quote for you. :P04:06
lcukdo not want04:06
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lcukgnite chan04:08
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n800nhey is pidgin the only that does yahoo05:10
GeneralAntillesrtcomm does05:10
GeneralAntillesrtcomm supports most everything Pidgin does05:11
GeneralAntillesThey're both libpurple05:11
n800nthanks, checking05:11
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algeriondoes anything support webcams on yahoo?05:14
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pupnik"I'm fair and balanced.  I would like to personally cast John McCain and Barack Obama into the lake of fire." - Scott Horton05:16
n800nhm can't install rtcomm beta, says it will harm the system05:17
n800ngot it, works with the deb directly, i was doing it thru the app manager before05:19
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iXcemm, is there a working port of xchat or pidgin or gajim for diablo?05:26
qosGeneralAntilles, how to fix the rotation support after the SSU update?05:26
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GeneralAntillesiXce, Extras-devel05:33
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, extras is
iXceGeneralAntilles: thanks!05:33
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n800ncrap man, rtcomm is like 60 libs05:43
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t_s_osometimes i find myself wishing the N800 stand was padded as i end up putting my hand thru it to rest the tablet that way...05:58
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manyosoanyone know what the pressure resolution is of the N810?05:59
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GeneralAntillesmanyoso, relatively high06:02
GeneralAntillesbut not accurate at all.06:02
manyosoi'm looking for exact range06:02
manyosoi'm reading direct from tslib06:03
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n800nwho stolr mt stylus danlm it06:03
manyosoand the number ranges from 0 to 300+06:03
manyosoand then once in awhile like 65000+06:03
manyosoit is not at all clear what scale it is using06:03
manyosohmm, seems /etc/pointercal helps me here06:05
manyosonow to try and understand this file06:06
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ChuangJiangDear everyone.06:17
ChuangJiangI'm building in the scratchbox , and I've got the following error message:06:18
ChuangJiangerror while loading shared libraries: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument06:18
ChuangJiangCould you give me any advice? TIA.06:18
moontigerummmmmm openoffice?? on the n810??06:19
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moontigereven if you get it "working" i would imagine it wouldnt exactly be much fun to run06:20
moontigerif you're lucky your battery might last long enough to get it started up06:20
moontigerbesides ... doesn't it require java?06:21
moontigerand ummmm ... do we have a working java package for the n8x0?06:22
GeneralAntillesNot quite06:22
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* moontiger laughs06:23
ChuangJiangTO moontiger: ????06:23
moontigerchuang ... i think you wont have much luck with oo on the n8x0 is all im saying ... why not help out with abiword instead? :)06:24
GeneralAntillesBe a lot less effort to just set up a Debian chrrot.06:25
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Be a lot less effort to just set up a Debian chroot.06:25
n800nnot that it's hard, it probably will be so slow as to be unusable06:26
n800nit's what they're saying06:26
moontigern800n... thats what im getting at06:26
n800nthe naysayers06:26
* moontiger tuens up rammstein06:26
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n800nbut hey i've seen some amazing things on the n800, who knows06:28
n800nbut probably not this time ;/06:29
ChuangJiangI'll transfer our company product Redoffice to the Platform of ARM.06:29
GeneralAntillesEh, it'll work06:29
GeneralAntillesIt just wont be fun06:29
GeneralAntillesAbiword is the way to do it06:29
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Pavlz-00i try to update the nokia 77006:35
Pavlz-00apt-get update06:36
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GeneralAntillesapt-get update just refreshes the repositories06:36
GeneralAntillesAnyway, upgrading via apt is NOT recommended06:37
Pavlz-00but nothing happen, the kernel is
Pavlz-00ok, how to update with repository the kernel ?06:38
GeneralAntillesYou don't update the kernel.06:40
Pavlz-00i want update the kernel06:40
GeneralAntillesI'm happy for you, but it's not going to happen.06:40
GeneralAntillesNot if you like wifi, anyway.06:41
Pavlz-00yes, continue06:41
Pavlz-00why not if like me wi-fi ?06:42
GeneralAntillesThe wifi drivers are closed06:42
GeneralAntillesand built against that kernel06:42
GeneralAntillesif you update the kernel you don't get to have wifi anymore.06:42
Pavlz-00and to install lspci ?06:44
Pavlz-00apt-get install lspci06:44
Pavlz-00Reading package list... Done06:46
Pavlz-00Building dependency tree... Done06:47
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Pavlz-00E: Couldn't find package lspci06:48
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GeneralAntillesThere are no pci devices in the device.06:48
Pavlz-00ok, and how to see the address of chipset wi-fi ? the IRQ06:49
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Pavlz-00for example too the producer of that chipset for wi-fi06:51
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moontigerGA... is the 770 frozen on that kernel?06:54
GeneralAntillesIf you like wifi.06:54
GeneralAntilles770 support has been dead for a while.06:54
moontigerright ... thats what i thought too06:55
moontigerpavlz... why do you want to upgrade the kernel?06:55
GeneralAntillesBecause it's old, duh. :P06:56
Pavlz-00Is old06:57
Proteousif it ain't broke...06:57
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GeneralAntillesWhat'd I say?! ;)06:57
GeneralAntillesBreak it and get Nokia to give you a free upgrade!06:57
Proteousdon't take nokias moneys that they could be using to build new IT devices!!06:58
Pavlz-00i would to mount a 2007 or 2008 os06:58
Pavlz-00if possible06:59
JackBeSlowinstalling a later OS does not require a new kernel06:59
infobotflashing is, like,
Pavlz-00all new and the kernel old ?06:59
JackBeSlowfollow the link :)07:00
GAN800kernel is the same for all of them.07:02
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* moontiger wants to strangle the sbox environment07:03
* moontiger wants to strangle the gdata feeds too *sigh*07:05
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pupniki don't find any USB hard drives with built-in battery here07:10
GeneralAntillesdeal-extreme ship to you?07:12
GeneralAntillesthey probably have something07:12
GeneralAntillesAlthough it might be more interesting/useful to build an inline injector.07:12
GeneralAntillesThough you'll need a lot of batteries to spin up a drive07:13
GeneralAntillesHot glue 4 SDHC readers together instead? :D07:13
Pavlz-00ah,  about cables, near the battery there is a port rs-232 for.which use ? And why we have not that cable?07:14
JackBeSlowI saw a self powered micro hard drive at compusa a while back. At first I thought it was usb powered, but it mentioned the need to keep it charged. Might be worth a look07:14
JackBeSlowI think it was something like 60gb07:14
pupnikyou're right.. better to make own power injector07:17
GeneralAntillesPavlz-00, there are 3 ports on the bottom, power, 3.5mm audio and USB07:18
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andrewfblackHey guys08:07
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andrewfblackWell thats enough moving stuff around for me tonight08:21
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dougtfwiw, fennec m6 is still busted if you launch it from the menu item.08:37
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dougtwe should get it right for the next release.08:38
dougtthe docs for osso_init() are, um, wrong.08:38
dougtif you launch m6 from the shell, all is okay08:38
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moontigeri know its no big deal but i got my first home screen applet working just now :)09:24
moontigerso im happy with myself :)09:24
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t_s_ocongrats moontiger. hope you come up with some interesting applets given time :)09:35
moontigerthank you :)09:35
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t_s_ono problem, given that i could not code myself out of any kind of problem (but probably into a lot of them) i should cheer on those that can ;)09:38
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moontigernn all :)10:06
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RST38hmoo all10:51
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GeneralAntillesWhere the hell are all these guys coming from?11:24
lbtFYI : I got my invite first thing this am - so it looks like Ed  (or someone) is covering X-Fade just fine :)11:24
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GeneralAntillestimely, Chinese guys all from posting weirdness to the lists and bugzilla.11:31
timelyEnglish isn't an easy language if you don't actually have a chance to speak w/ native speakers...11:33
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JaffaMorning, all11:41
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GeneralAntillesHey, Jaffa.11:49
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floriangood morning11:52
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qwerty12dannym: (if you read the logs), I commited usbmodeswitch to svn. I'm a svn noob so hopefully, I didn't boll0x anything up11:58
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* Jaffa rewrites his bitchslapping email to be slightly more constructive to some of our Aussie developers who think layer separation is something which should just apply to other people.12:07
JaffaOr, worse than that, don't seem to understand the principle at all.12:07
Jaffatimely: they're doing silly things like using global variables in an OO application just because they've got no imagination; so the DB layer is doing stuff with HttpSession12:08
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* timely doesn't get
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Jaffatimely: which bit?12:12
eichi_how to update the OS on a mmc sd card?12:13
JaffaTuesday's post was encouraging people to use the Gimp. I'm not sure it's timely (if you excuse the pun ;-))12:13
timelywhy mention the n810 this late?12:13
timelyi mean, i don't mind ads, but ... what value does it add the blogosphere?12:14
* Jaffa hopes the N900 has an accelerometer & OpenGL: was playing with Cube Racer on a colleague's iPod Touch: so simple but so much fun.12:14
timelycube racer just gave me headaches12:14
Jaffatimely: "value" and "blogosphere"? Really? With a straight face?12:14
timely.... ok12:14
timelyit wasted time in my morning mailbox12:14
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JaffaAh, you've got a Google Alert or something on N810?12:15
timelyi had to read the google alert, read the blog entry, and try to figure out why i was there12:15
timelynah, microb :)12:15
JaffaAh :)12:15
eichi_how to update the OS on a mmc sd card?12:15
* timely gets very confused12:16
timelyi seem to be getting bugmail from a *random* bugzilla installation12:16
Jaffaeichi_: apt-get update?12:16
* Jaffa dunnos, don't use MMC cloned12:16
timelyand it's locked too!12:16
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eichi_Jaffa, is there a diffference to the aplications manager update?12:17
kaieI'm preparing to flash my n810 to diablo. right now I'm still at 2.2007.50-2 ... I've backed up /home/user using tar/scp. I'm trying...12:18
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kaieto back up using the built in "backup software" in addition. that stalls as soon as I include "settings" in the list of items to be backed up12:18
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Jaffaeichi_: No idea, I'm afraid.12:19
qwerty12IIRC backup with settings freezes when you have claws mail installed and/or a symlink to / in /home/user/12:19
timelyoh brother12:19
timelyqwerty12: is there a bug filed?12:19
qwerty12timely, no idea12:20
timelya symlink to / used to kill metacrawler12:20
kaieah interesting. I do have claws mail installed12:20
timelyplease make sure one's filed12:20
GAN800eichi_, just update using the Application manager. . . .12:20
infobothmm... ssu is
timelyGAN800: heh, does the Browser product not have a website component?12:20
timelyum... that's not fair12:20
GAN800timely, not that I saw.12:20
timelyyou're actually complaining about the shipping software12:20
timelybut it's a service release12:21
timelythe agreement wrt branding is that *new* products would get new branding12:21
timelydiablo isn't a new product12:21
eichi_GAN800, i did this, but then my sd card maemo cant boot - boot menu is removend and the updates is now on the INTERNAL flash12:21
infoboti heard ssu is
timelyGAN800: you are complaining about the start page, right?12:21
GAN800timely, I didn't sign anything. :P12:21
eichi_ah okay12:21
GAN800but that's fine, mark it INVALID if you want.12:22
GAN800Right, home.htm;12:22
timelyGAN800: assign it to peter from marketing12:22
timelyif he doesn't have a bugzilla account, introduce yourself and explain to him that he needs one :)12:22
timelynah, the bug's not really invalid12:23
timelywell maybe12:23
timelydunno.. it should be assigned to peter12:23
eichi_GAN800, url problem?12:23
GAN800eichi_, hit reload12:24
* timely still thinks 3585 is a dupe12:24
kaieqwerty12, still stalls after uninstalling claws-mail*. and no symlink in /home/user12:24
qwerty12kaie, Hmm, no symlink in any subfolders?12:25
XTLIs w.m.o still dead?12:25
timelyhi kaie12:25
kaieqwerty12, well, I have an .icons symlink, is that it?12:25
timelykaie: strace :)12:25
kaiehi timely12:25
qwerty12kaie, no, that's standard12:25
kaiethat's the only symlink I see12:26
GAN800oh hell, no bugzilla account.12:26
timelykaie: apt-get install strace :)12:26
* GAN800 adds it to his TODO12:26
timelyGAN800: send  him an email,.. if you time it right, it'll arrive as i visit his office after lunch :)12:26
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GAN800XTL, no.12:27
* GAN800 was just about to sleep.12:27
XTLSomething funny here, then.12:27
* GAN800 goes back downstairs to a real keyboard instead.12:27
GAN800XTL, hit reload.12:28
XTLGAN800: loads a while and gives conn refused.12:28
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XTLDon't need it, just noticed that a link I followed hadn't loaded.12:28
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* qwerty12 shoots that fox with a non standard pellet gun converted to use bullets12:35
bergietimely: we have that on our office wall :-)12:35
timelyi hope it's bigger than a postage stamp :)12:35
Jaffabergie: is there a good size/vector version? Would look good in our office too12:36
bergieJaffa: no idea, the mozilla people were giving out those as posters in last FOSDEM12:36
Jaffaah, right12:36
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timelyclearance sale on
Jaffaqwerty12: ta12:39
qwerty12no problem12:40
kaietimely, strace -f doesn't give me much. maybe the files tell you more than me12:40
timelykaie: your dcc can't work... it wanted me to use 127.112:40
timelyi need to head to work12:40
timelytry pastebin.*12:40
GeneralAntillestimely, email's just about to go out.12:40
timelyGAN800: 3586 has a lot of data12:41
timelycan you find someone to parse it?12:41
* timely will try to poke eero12:41
timelymost of the listings there seem to show free memory as <10mb12:41
timelykaie, um...12:42
timelymaemo platform is evil12:42
timelyyou'll probably need to strace maemo-launcher too12:42
timelyotherwise you won't get anywhere :)12:42
kaieand in the working process, replace last line of that log with that from here:
kaieI see.......12:42
timelybasically most apps are dummies12:42
GeneralAntillesEero's probably the only one who can look at it without losing their mind.12:43
timelythey just talk to a daemon and say "fork and load foopy"12:43
* timely nods12:43
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kaieis it possible that you tell me what I shall do to trace this12:44
kaieor I will probably skip it and flash12:44
kaiestrace -F ?12:44
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kaie-f did not help12:44
kaie-f did produce what I gave12:45
timelyperhaps strace -f -p `pidof maemo-launcher`12:45
* timely wonders if that works12:45
timelyyou could do:12:45
timelycd /proc12:45
timelystrace -f -p *12:45
kaieyes your pidof works12:45
robinkYou can strace a running app?12:45
qwerty12sure (for good measure)12:46
robinkI thought you had to have strace fork() and exec() the app.12:46
XTLHarder to strace a non-running one :)12:46
XTLBut yeah, strace attached to a pid if you want12:46
infobotXTL meant: But yeah, strace attaches to a pid if you want12:47
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GeneralAntillestimely, email is sent.12:47
robinkHoly cow that's awesome.12:47
qwerty12Any idea when kernel-source-diablo will be updated?12:48
timelyask qgil ;-)12:48
kaievery very slowwwwwwwww12:48
* timely tries to run after GAN800's email12:48
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, was the kernel actually updated?12:48
* qwerty12 runs after qgil and pushes timely out of the way12:48
GeneralAntillesMine still shows the old build. . . .12:48
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: The version number was :/12:48
GeneralAntillesWas it?12:48
qwerty12Yeah, let me grab the number from Packages12:49
GeneralAntilles2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown12:49
qwerty12I'm sure that is the updated kernel. what does "dpkg -s kernel-diablo-flasher" say?12:50
GeneralAntillesSame as yours.12:51
qwerty12Yeah, it's the updated version, I just verified12:52
qwerty12The kernel is now at 2.6.21-200829, it would be nice if kernel-source-diablo_2.6.21-200823 was kernel-source-diablo_2.6.21-200829 instead :)12:52
GeneralAntillesFile a bug12:53
GeneralAntillesMake it a blocker for kicks. ;)12:53
* qwerty12 would prefer it if the diablo sdk repository was updated at the same time at catalogue.tableteer12:53
qwerty12Yeah, good idea12:53
GeneralAntillesAnyway, sleep attempt part II coming up right now for me.12:53
* qwerty12 hands GeneralAntilles some sleeping pills12:54
* qwerty12 gets back to compiling kernel-source-diablo_2.6.21-200823 with PREEMPT. I can't believe others have the luck :(12:55
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kaietimely, it seems to loop. it seems to repeatedly try to backup the same files13:00
rmrfchikwhat are login/password for nokia repositaries?13:00
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kaietimely, timeless, qwerty12 but I only have the following symbolic links:
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kaieso I hope the information that it is stuck in an endless loop trying to backup the same files helps you. I do have the log files if you want them13:03
qwerty12kaie: sorry, seems like your problem isn't the symlinks13:03
qwerty12Hmm, did you purge claws-mail?13:03
kaiepurge? uninstall. yes13:03
kaiebut not restart n81013:03
qwerty12Try apt-get remove --purge claws*13:03
qwerty12(make sure it isn't removing anything that isn't claws related)13:03
qwerty12--purge removes files in /etc which is where claws puts it backup configuration file13:04
infobotqwerty12 meant: --purge removes files in /etc which is where claws puts its backup configuration file13:04
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kaiedidn't help13:05
qwerty12crap. does "ls /etc/osso-backup/applications/claws-mail.conf" say anything?13:05
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kaieqwerty12, yes, there is a file13:05
kaierm ?13:06
qwerty12after that, try osso-backup again13:06
kaieqwerty12, no change. stalls on ok button. does still not switch to progress bar13:07
qwerty12arrgh, I'm out of suggestions then, sorry13:08
Talus46_n810good morning all a bye going to the beach now :)13:08
aquatixTalus46_n810: damn you :P13:09
* aquatix shouldn't complain, working from home and all13:09
qwerty12damn, I was going to rob your house in 10 mins13:10
* aquatix gets his Nerf gun13:10
kaieqwerty12, thanks for trying, no worries13:11
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qwerty12Quick question, if I wish to rebuild cx3110x module, do I use: ?13:13
Talus46_n810cool i wouldn't mind that to13:13
Talus46_n810work from home i mean13:13
Talus46_n810does nokia want a php and webservices guru?13:14
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aquatixTalus46_n810: :)13:14
* aquatix doesn't work for Nokia though ;)13:14
aquatixTalus46_n810: maemo can use some fast servers though :)13:14
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Talus46_n810fast server or fast services13:15
aquatixfast connection i guess13:15
aquatixso, nothing really you can do about i think :)13:15
bergieaquatix: we have new servers, but they still wait for installation13:16
Talus46_n810well guess i can go to the beach with no worries :)13:17
aquatixbergie: ah, cool13:17
aquatixbergie: that was that move about i guess?13:17
aquatixhow did that go btw?13:17
lbthmm - message from maemo-contributors says:
* aquatix is missing a name on that list13:18
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kaien810 flashed to diable worked. backup restored (without settings). now installing apps. afterwards I intend to extract my full /home/user backup13:37
kaieunless you think that's a bad idea13:37
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* lcuk bangs his head against a wall13:56
aquatixplease don't hurt the poor wall13:57
qwerty12northern walls are weak. Don't worry, the wall is safe.13:57
* aquatix saw a really big wall on tv this week13:58
Veggen"This elevator is safe. Completely safe. It can't fall down. But in the event that it should still fall down, ..."13:58
VeggenI actually saw that in an elevator, once.13:58
lcukthe titanic was unsinkable as well13:58
aquatixgives you a lot of trust in the thing ;)13:58
aquatixlcuk: it didn't sink, it crashed ;)13:59
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lcukaquatix so i suppose right now its above the surface of the earth just with VERY heavy rainfalling on the deck?14:03
aquatixit underwent a deck misplacement14:04
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lcukdeck malfunction14:04
aquatixthe sea was placed above deck level by accident14:04
bergieaquatix: no, the move earlier this week was some ISP internal stuff, the new servers are still waiting14:04
aquatixbergie: ah, i thought it was some incremental upgrading thing; first better data centre, then new servers or something :)14:05
lcukmelting polar ice raises the sea level so much14:05
aquatixbergie: will those new servers make the sites faster, or is that limited by the bandwidth available atm14:05
lcukthey are upgrading the internet connection from dialup to broadband14:06
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bergieaquatix: they should make the sites much faster... now by running mediawiki, midgard etc on same small box we are just completely out of resources14:06
bergiethe new setup will be a cluster14:06
aquatixah :)14:07
aquatixsounds good14:07
aquatixdidn't know it was one poor box14:07
* lcuk mutters something about lack of software optimisation recently14:07
bergieit has been the same box since the beginning of the maemo project, I think14:07
aquatixlcuk: so true :/14:07
bergieand since then we have been going from some hundreds of users to 12k14:07
aquatixbergie: it's glowing in the dark from sheer heat?14:07
Stskeepsisn't running on a n770? :P14:08
lcukif midgard and mediawiki were designed to run as fast as possible in a constrained environment (ie designed for NIT...) then when you DO run it on a big box it will flyyyyyyyyyyyyyy14:08
bergieaquatix: I'd imagine ;-) The loads are often 10+14:08
lcuk(and lots of other software as well)14:08
bergielcuk: sure... but few server software is14:09
bergiethough, in reality Midgard *is* available for maemo14:09
lcuk<bergie> lcuk: sure... but few software is14:09
lcukbergie, im just anti-software bloat and very into optimisation14:10
bergiebut the point is not running a full CMS on the tablet, but instead of use persistent, replicated storage features of it14:10
lcukyes - if someone had to design a fully working 100% featureful CMS to run well on a tablet just think how much better it would be when run anywhere else?14:10
bergielcuk: I think every software has some target platform, and both Midgard and MediaWiki have been designed for higher-end server environments... and if you run it all on a small box you end up in trouböe14:11
bergietrouble, that is14:11
* aquatix wonders what makes these things so slow14:11
aquatixdb stuff?14:11
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bergiePHP parsing, DB, memory leaks in PHP etc14:11
aquatixi heard projects like pidgin had issues with their trac because of the slowness of the version control plugin14:11
lcukyer bergie - thats the problem i see with lots of software for the NIT - big box software crammed into the nokia and running horrendously and not giving the best of what this platform has to offer14:12
aquatixand trac is python14:12
bergieaquatix: yeah, we saw a lot of Apache memory leaks with mod_python14:12
* aquatix has a love/hate relationship with php14:12
bergielcuk: yeah... that is why next spring we will release a completely rewritten version of Midgard to battle the bloat and performance problems14:13
lcuk\o/ w000t14:13
bergiethe current versions still have lots of code written in late 90s targeting PHP3...14:13
aquatixsounds like some refactoring is in order indeed14:13
bergiea rewrite every 10 years is in order :-)14:13
lcukbut thats not wrong?  old software was already constrained wasnt it?14:14
aquatixlcuk: well, php in 1998 was... quite basic :)14:14
lcukits the bloat thats been  added over the years14:14
bergieyes, what people want to do on the web has changed quite a bit since '97 when we started working on Midgard14:14
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Jaffalo lardman14:14
lcukhi lardman14:14
lardmanhi Jaffa, lcuk14:14
lcukhi lurker jaffa14:15
lcuki sent a mail to marius by the way, i found an irc stats program last night which may give useful extractable stats for the karma thing :)14:15
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lardmanoh cool, will be interesting to see14:16
lardmanlcuk: have you patched it to give: n_lines_lcuk *= 100; ? ;)14:16
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aquatixlardman: *= 42, that's less suspicious ;)14:17
Jaffalardman: he don't need it looking at the lines since January ;-)14:19
mib_f4c7z9where can i get this software?
jottlardman: in fact it's n_lines_lcuk /= 10;  so it does not seem lcuk is the only one always talking here ;P14:20
lardmanWorld record for Garage project approval, about 2min14:20
lardmanI wonder if X-Fade has set his mail client to automatically approve anything that comes in :)14:20
Jaffamib_f4c7z9: iLauncher IIRC14:21
Stskeepsodd question.. what's the danger of mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs , add files, and mount -o remount,ro /mnt/initfs?14:23
Stskeepson chinook14:23
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Stskeepsbecause it's stated that diablo allows for "rw" initfs, whereas it seems like chinook could do that just as easily :P14:24
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lcukjott lardman, are you saying i post too many lines?14:37
lcukif so you are wrong14:37
lcuki dont monologue14:37
* lcuk posts for karma14:37
lcukjott, what surprised me about the line count was kotzcarny - he hasnt been here for ages and i still havent caught up with him14:38
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lcukthis is the sort of stats i think we should have available:
Mace_anybody know of a good gui for sftp?14:41
Mace_i heard there was a gftp for maemo.. never tried it though14:41
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timelesswho was suggesting a WTF relating to file systems?14:44
timelessit turns out the problem in this case was related to file system ownership :)14:44
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jottlcuk: yes, kotzcarnys linecount is amazing, but if you didn't /= 10 on your line count you would be far on top :P14:46
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kaieI#ve flashed to diablo, I've reinstalled apps, afterwards I've carefully installed missing pieces from a /home/user backup, not overwriting stuff, and now the attempt to backup-with-settings still fails14:46
lcukhey - i am on that list twice ! and i didnt /10 anything :P14:47
kaiefails => stalls, looping14:47
kaiemaemo-launcher 99% cpu14:47
kaiedisk use stable, does not increase14:48
jottmaybe mgeadmin could run the pisg or something, he has very old logs and hosts them anyway.14:49
timelesskaie: still stracing?14:49
kaietimeless, I have an strace from the earlier OS release, and that told me, that osso-backup is repeatedly looping over the same files14:50
timelessmight as well get another strace for this one :)14:50
timelessmuch better to file bugs in based on current :)14:50
timeless(it can't be that hard)14:51
kaietimeless, I still have the strace logfile, I don't think things have changed14:51
* timeless is in a meeting14:51
lcukjott, thats what i was thinki14:51
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kaiestracing and logging was painful and took a lot of time14:51
lcukkaie, just post him your device :D14:51
kaieif he sends me n810 plus one14:52
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kaieoh interesting, maybe that helps. [pid  1863] open("/home/user/.purple/logs/irc/", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 EMFILE (Too m14:53
kaieany open files)14:53
kaiemaybe there is no check for this error case, and the app keeps trying14:53
kaiethe last attempt to open a file got handle =102314:54
kaiethe backup software appears to loop, opening many files, but not closing them14:54
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kaieI guess that's the default beahvior of the app14:54
kaiebut does not affect average users with a limited number of files14:55
eichi_is there a new version of bootmenu?14:56
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eichi_that works after latest uss update?14:56
kaietimeless, create /home/user/.claws-mail and create 1000 files in it, then backup settings, and you should be able to reproduce14:56
kaieI'm guessing14:56
lbtStskeeps: re your initfs question...14:56
lbtIIRC it's because jffs2 has a large eraseblock14:57
lbtso you can run out of space whilst saving14:57
lbtand cause corruption (I think)14:57
lbtand this is bad if you are editing linuxrc14:57
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kaieok, let me file abug14:58
puslingso... where isn maemo-mapper user questios on topic ?14:58
lbt-user ml? or here14:58
puslingI will go for here then ;)14:58
puslingis there a way to mark places for later (based on the maps, not basedd on my location)14:59
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lbtit's friday - everyone will be busy with work14:59
lbtPoints of Interest14:59
lbtI think I made them work...15:00
lbthold down on the map and the popup appears15:00
lbtI think you can create a POI15:00
lbt(mm isn't on my current tablet rootfs so I can't check)15:00
puslingah yes.  I_have missed the full "hold down" part of it.15:01
puslingis there a way to add streetnames and submit to openstreetmap on my way around ?15:02
lbtdon't think so15:02
lbtbe nice though15:02
lbtthere's an app called viking though15:03
lbtwhich I *think* is on the tablet somewhere15:03
lbtand it might15:03
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puslingI can't find viking in the application installer nor installed15:07
lbtprobably on a third party site then15:08
lbtit's on my list to investigate...15:08
lcuklbt, you are upping your irc post count "for greater karma" :D15:09
lbtnah - making a point for Dave N ;)15:09
lardmanlcuk: where's the post count list then?15:12
* jott thinks about getting a karma whore to make a point :P15:12
lcukon that email i posted a link15:12
lcukim in vnc now and have a butty in hand so its a bit tough to switch and reopen mail15:12
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lcukone thing though, all people on the list, do not show to significant others :P15:14
lardmanah well, won't do my karma any harm anyway15:14
lcukit eill when they filter out bacon posts15:15
lardmanand lols15:15
jotthehe i think dneary want to have lines_on_irc_modifier = -115:15
jottlcuk that would give you a whooping -24000 karma ;)15:16
lcukw000t i am the anti hacker15:16
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* jott still has to write the "love-bot" for his 300 extra karma15:17
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lardmanI understand the issue people may have having with not enough karma to vote, but striving for karma is un-karmic15:18
lcukdneary has 671 posts15:18
XTLAnother piece of evidence about karma's flawedness15:18
lcuklbt, you lose :P15:19
lcukmaybe i should look for something like "thanks [nick]"15:19
jottlbt: remember you get -1 karma per line :p15:19
lardmanwell lines with less than a certain number of words should be filtered out15:19
lcukand count that as karma15:19
lbtgoing for rollover karma15:19
lbtthe only way to beat Quim15:19
lcuklardman, its interaction to any  tune, im not bothered how much it counts, but just would like to see the good work we do in here showing up15:20
lcuklol lbt15:20
jotthm i think it's not that hard to get on place one with karma if you really want to.15:20
lbtyeah - like a GPL liqbase ;)15:20
lardmanlcuk: yeah, but does it need to be given a numerical rating?15:20
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eichi_if i have so much problems with this dual boot, nokia forces me to go back to the old intern memory default system style....this kind of forces are not the linux like way.....15:20
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lcukno - karma as a game is bad: slashdot stopped displaying it as a number eventually15:20
lcukit was fun to bait it15:21
lbteichi_: I've been thinking about how to get a dual-boot friendly linuxrc to Nokia15:21
lardmananyway, got to go, speak to you chaps over the weekend (wedding to go to though)15:21
lcukeichi_, sorry, this is irc according to dneary we arent meant to help you15:21
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jottlcuk: karma as an (automatic) form of measurement is bad.15:21
lcukeichi_, i have seen a number of people with this same problem15:21
lbthave a look here:
lbtno howto15:22
eichi_lcuk, its not a problem, its a feature from nokia15:22
lcukits the linux way as long as you stop updating from the ofificial source which expects a certain layout to its device15:22
eichi_my hope is mamona15:22
jotteichi_: one way could be to backup your initfs partition and then reflash it when nokia "currupts" it.15:23
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lbtjott: but they may change kernel drivers15:23
kaietimeless, and logfile with comments, I think that should help you fix it15:23
lbtnah, they need a plug system15:23
lcukis this like microsoft b0rkening the partition table and boot sector after installing?15:23
jottyou can probably also get around by installing the -unlocked package and then install your own version of kernel and initfs packages with a large version number.15:24
eichi_lcuk, you got it15:25
eichi_its the "my and no other" comercial kind of way of software15:25
jottand the "you ain't get support for haxoring" :)15:26
lcukits the we expect the user  to have a stable device using the configuration layout specified by us.  i agree its wrong and nokia should allow a way to keep your unofficial bootloader etc since it shouldnt effect the rest of the system15:26
jottwith my "solution" above you should be pretty sure.15:27
jotterm it should be working..15:27
eichi_one of the problems is, the SSupdate updated not the system on mmc (the running one) it updated the internal system, which i dont use15:28
lbt"Initfs reflashes break multi-boot"15:29
* lcuk still cant believe 23k LOC (lines of chat)15:29
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lbtsausage butties await...15:29
jottlbt: i bet this will get a WONTFIX..15:29
eichi_jott, you got my message?15:29
eichi_<eichi_> one of the problems is, the SSupdate updated not the system on mmc (the running one) it updated the internal system, which i dont use15:30
jotteichi_: yeah well you would have to install your own kernel/initfs packages on the systems you want to update15:30
lcukor the SSU might actually check where its running15:31
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* lcuk is as guilty as anyone for assuming hard written paths15:31
jottna it just gets the updated initfs/kernel as package and flashes it.15:31
jottno matter where your rootfs is :)15:31
lcukto the wrong place15:31
eichi_lcuk, thats what i mean if i think "not the linux way"15:32
jottlcuk: there is only one place for the kernel/initfs no matter how you boot.15:32
jotteichi_: i still doubt nokia will accept it as a problem :(15:32
lcukahh i thought it was like the boot area of a specific device15:33
lcuknot a single area for the whole computer15:33
jottlcuk: unfortunatley this is not possible yet.15:33
* lcuk learns something new15:33
jott(like choosing your own kernel and initfs at boot time)15:33
lcukno jott, thats ok - it at least makes sense now and i can see why its happening15:33
eichi_hm, now i will reflash the n800 and use is the common way...with some tears in my eyes...15:34
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jotteichi_: why is that? you can reflash just kernel and initfs at any time..15:34
lcukjott, so is there any other way round this by using other tricks: like as soon into the boot as possible map all FS branches onto mmcX?  rather than replacing the whole lot?15:35
jottand you can even boot from mmc with the nokia initfs.15:35
lbtjott: re WONTFIX : submit a reasonable patch though...15:35
eichi_johnx, is there a howto?15:35
jotteichi_: you can just use flasher to set the root device for the nokia initfs.15:36
eichi_and what about initfs only? i want the maemo kernel updates maybe15:36
lbtI think you'd need kexec - but I think the hardware limitations make it unlikely (!)15:36
jotteichi_: just make a backup of your initfs and copy it to your pc. you can use flasher to just flash the initfs later.15:36
trickieunless the modules in the initfs don't work with a newer kernel15:37
lbtbut make a backup of the new initfs15:37
jottlcuk: the bootloader is closed source, and without serial/jtag it is no fun testing stuff at this level ;)15:37
lcukcant   you keep it on old original partition and use internal flash15:37
lbt'cos if the kernel changes then toasty...15:37
lcukall this is why i dont like custom kernel changes - you get used to an aftermarket  feature and after a standard update you are back to sqaure one15:38
lcukjott, your rotation patch - can it be done with insmod type things, or does it require the kernel change15:39
jottlcuk: but this is just since diablo. before your kernel was not touched until a full reflash :)15:39
lbtthe wiki page is supposed to inform about how to get back to things like that easily15:39
lcukbut every update from nokia was a fullflash15:39
jottlcuk: it touches the lcd driver which is not loaded as a module - so no.15:40
jottbut i think we need to think about a proper way of delivering custom kernels anyway.15:40
jottto prevent automatic updates.15:40
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lcukor to re-apply after automatic updates15:41
jotti am more and more sure that we need something better than -unlocked like -community15:41
trickielcuk: but if your initfs has modules for the newer kerne than re-applying may stuff you up15:41
jottwhich in turn has to be updated by the community on ssu updates.15:41
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lcuktrickie, indeed and its a trickie problem to solve15:42
jotttrickie: what do you think would be the "best" solution?15:42
trickiehehe i was afraid someone would ask me15:42
trickiei really do not know...15:43
lbtMaybe files in existing /mnt/initfs/local should be linked to the new initfs.15:43
jotti can only see it by having a osso-software-version-community with proper packages.15:43
lbtthen any kernel version modules would go into lib/modules/kern-ver15:43
lcukok, supposing the initfs and kernel have changed, but there is nothing wrong with the old one can we not just tell ssu to ignore major kernel updates?15:43
trickiejott: yes a meta-package that blocks auto-kernel/initfs updates seems to be the only way15:43
jottit would be greate to convince nokia to inform people about ssu 1-2 days before..15:44
Mace_Stskeeps - how is that nit-debian distro coming along?15:44
jottso the community could prepare the software-version packages .. but that's just dreaming :/15:44
lbtnow *that* is council material15:44
trickielcuk: yes we could block the update using a meta-package like what jott said15:44
Mace_i'm waiting for one with built in bt utilities heh15:44
Mace_something as easy to hook up to my phone as maemo/hildon15:45
lcukby the way, i never heard back from the bank about those credit card details i got.  any ideas what i should do with em?15:45
lcuktrickie, great15:45
lbtMace_: wait 'til October15:45
lbtlcuk: let The Register know...15:46
Mace_what happens in october?15:46
lbtNokia releases the API for BT connectivity to their entire phone range15:47
lbtnot sure *which* october mind...15:47
Mace_nit-debian was so awesome :) other than the sound support being a little odd and setting up bt stuff to connect (like my n95 and su8w)15:47
crashanddielcuk, slexy 'em15:47
lcuklbt, i contacted john leyden at the reg a while ago15:47
Mace_i thought they were releasing all of symbian15:47
Mace_they just bought it recently and were going to open it up15:48
lcukjuly 24th15:48
glass_Mace_: the opensourcing is a long term thing15:48
brontideI really don't understand why they applied all sorts of weird restrictions to the community council15:48
Mace_i know.. but they are trying to compete with the google phone os15:48
lbtsend a message to Bruce Schneier - he's fairly interested15:48
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glass_Mace_: and i doubt it would be possible to build your own symbian and flash it even then..15:48
lbtkind of "what am I *supposed* to do?"15:48
Mace_glass - heh.. probably.. but it is amazing what people do with open source stuff15:48
lcuklbt, ill talk to you later about it - work calls15:48
lcukcrashanddie, i wont slexy them - theres people from all over15:49
Mace_they better get the jump on google15:49
glass_Mace_: it will be useful for figuring out the poorly documented apis15:49
glass_Mace_: and the undocumented apis15:49
crashanddielcuk, if they're even real15:49
kaieoh that's funny. "cd /; find . -type f | wc -l " , this give me "too many open files"15:49
lcukoh they are real alright, theres one from my town15:50
Mace_well.. i'm going to see if i can dig up an older 2G sd and put the nit-debian beta3 on it15:50
Mace_just to try getting the bt working .. it seems like it SHOULD work15:50
Mace_i think it's missing modules for the dun15:50
lcukcrashanddie, which "town" are you in?15:51
crashanddielcuk, SE12 0UQ15:51
lbtcrashanddie: go outside and wave - I want to see you on google maps...15:52
crashanddiehang on15:52
XTLOoh, there's a prism for maemo?15:53
lbt<sigh> put some trousers on crashanddie....15:53
crashanddielbt, no that's not me15:53
lcukits not the lack of trousers that bothers me, its the fleshlight he forgot to take off15:53
lcukanyway, on that karmaburning note im gonna go back to work15:54
crashanddielcuk, I doubt IRC is ever going to make it in the karma process15:55
crashanddielcuk, if it does, I'm going to get dust off my monologue script15:55
crashanddies/get //15:55
infobotcrashanddie meant: lcuk, if it does, I'm going to dust off my monologue script15:55
jottcrashanddie: you can easily gain karma with scripts right now15:55
crashanddiejott, yeah I know15:55
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crashanddiejott, and I might just start doing it just to prove how stupid it is15:56
lcukgo and vote up all bugs and posts and things15:56
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Jaffacrashanddie: and then the ops will ban you.15:56
jottcrashanddie: yeah thats what i thought15:56
jottJaffa: why?15:56
lardmanthought I'd come back and karma-whore a little ;)15:56
JaffaIt's easy to spam IRC; it's easy to spot the spammers too and handle them15:56
crashanddieJaffa, who said you'd be able to link me ?15:56
Jaffacrashanddie: if you want the karma, to "prove" the system's broken, you have to have an identifiable script.15:57
infobotJaffa meant: crashanddie: if you want the karma, to "prove" the system's broken, you have to have an identifiable nick.15:57
crashanddieJaffa, oh and yeah, create a garage maemo account is so secure15:57
jotti wonder how much karma darius jack has :P15:57
brontideI'm sponsored to germany, but according to the rules I can't vote or be nominated15:58
crashanddieI mean, no one could possibly create a bogus nickname on, or even use a bogus nickname here in IRC, just to prove how broken it is15:58
JaffaI think it's interesting that those of you who think karma's a bad idea and useless and shouldn't be used also talk about resorting to vandalism to make your point.15:58
crashanddieand no one could possibly use a server say, in France, or another one in Belgium, or another one in Spain, so that they can't possibly be linked with a real user15:58
crashanddieJaffa, which vandalism ?15:59
timelessbrontide: why can't you vote?15:59
jottJaffa: because we think the whole concept is flawed15:59
JaffaFFS, when the karma system was first introduced one of the reasons given was to help decide who'd get future device discounts; but now you're fussing over voting on an potentially ineffectual council.15:59
brontidebecause my account is not old enough15:59
lardmananyone fancy working out the structure of the dsp eap calls? I could do with an eap sink15:59
Jaffacrashanddie: spamming the IRC channel would be vandalism IMHO15:59
brontidedespite my participation in the community going back at least a year15:59
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crashanddiePlease don't insult our intelligence by defaming us and calling us vandals, considering that, AFAIK, there's no one spamming just yet15:59
crashanddiewe're just talking about it16:00
timelessdiscussing attacking a system in some places can get you arrested :)16:00
Jaffacrashanddie: I said you were talking about resorting to vandalism. That's what you've just said as well. I didn't call you a vandal, nor insult your intelligence.16:00
XTLLooks dead :(16:01
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crashanddieJaffa, no, I said "I might", small difference, but difference nonetheless16:01
kaiedoes someone want to confirm bug 3588?16:01
Jaffacrashanddie: eh? I said you were "talking about resorting to vandalism", you've just said "we're just talking about it". Where's the gap? I honestly can't see any difference between the two phrases.16:02
jotti think its only that karma whores fear their karma might be in danger..16:02
crashanddiejott, lol16:03
timelesskaie: find *fails* ?16:03
XTL3588 looks like yet another purple/claws vs backup bug?16:03
andre__err... where do we have the new logo to use now (png/svg)? somewhere in the wiki? i've only found the broken new one at
kaietimeless, time on / reports errors, yes, but that's just a funny side notice16:03
andre__kaie: sure that's not bug 3425?16:03
timelessandre__: steal hte one from :)16:04
XTLthat's what I mean16:04
brontideIf I had wanted to karma whore I would have been eligible as a candidite, but still not able to vote.16:04
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kaieandre__, I can try to create such a file for testing16:04
andre__timeless, that's also a broken new one. the R is lower than the rest16:04
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lardmanAny thoughts about implementing IPC on the DSP?16:05
crashanddiebrontide, sorry ?16:05
andre__kaie, well.. you're sure your problem in 3588 isn't a sideeffect of having bad letters in filenames (see bug 3425)?16:05
crashanddielardman, ouch16:05
timelesswas what i was told to use by Peter16:05
crashanddielardman, normal sockets don't work ?16:05
kaieandre__, I don't know, that's why I propose I create such a file and try16:06
crashanddielardman, unnamed sockets, that is16:06
Jaffabrontide: interesting. No-one's pointed out yet that candidates don't have the account age requirement.16:06
andre__kaie, ah. ok, please try :)16:06
brontideI'm not really upset.  I can't really spend my life following the discussions, but I see that others have brought up the point16:06
crashanddieJaffa, I think it was one part of the first emails, but we must've forgotten it along the road16:06
andre__timeless, ok, confusion. i'm going to send an email to the list...16:06
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timelessandre__: what do you mean the r is lower?16:06
timelessoh, you mean the top of the r16:07
timelessthe baseline is fine16:07
lardmancrashanddie: there are no socket libraries16:07
eichi_does agps works on n800 devices?16:07
kaieyou allow me to paste 2 lines16:07
kaie~ $ ls -l /home/user/.claws-mail/\#test16:07
kaie-rw-r--r--    1 user     users           6 Aug 15 15:01 /home/user/.claws-mail/#test16:07
kaieandre__, works fine with that file present16:07
Jaffatimeless: yeah, that's it.16:07
andre__timeless, yeah the top16:07
lardmaneichi_: probably does grab the data, but it has nothing to send it to16:07
eichi_lardman, means: no!?16:07
timelessyou should have said shorter, not lower16:07
andre__kaie, so it's a different bug. please add a comment to the bug too that it's not the same ;-)16:07
andre__timeless, i don't speak english well that early in the morning ;-)16:08
kaieandre__, I'd rather suspects it's the other way round. I suspect it's just a guess that #@ are the cause?16:08
lardmaneichi_: well you'd need to write some code to format and send the agps data to your particular bt gps, so atm no16:08
kaiewhile in reality it might be the number of files present16:08
timelesskaie: how important is this?16:08
* timeless could look at the code...16:08
kaietimeless, I'd says it's critical for everyone who flashes and doesn't want to start over with settings?16:09
andre__the definition of "critical" is different ;-)16:09
* timeless starts indexing w32 and goes to find the sources for backup16:10
RST38hmoo, all16:10
kaiewell, I'm glad I found a workaround. If you don't have time to work on it, I propose this workaround should be made well known16:10
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crashanddielardman, no pipes either ?16:10
timelesskaie: ok.... any hints about what's functionally going on16:11
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* timeless decides to look for "settings"16:11
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kaietimeless, see my comments in the attachment in that bug16:11
crashanddielardman, what language are you using ?16:12
lardmancrashanddie: C16:12
crashanddielardman, do you have unistd.h ?16:12
* timeless chases settings for a bit16:12
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kaietimeless, before the settings-backup starts, it does a scan over all files, and opens them all, without closing them (apparently)16:12
timelessoh man16:12
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timelessok, let's see if 'fopen' is helpful16:13
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timelesscool, itg is16:13
timelessalright, this shoudl be fast16:13
lardmancrashanddie: not sure, but will do some looking16:14
crashanddielardman, if you have access to unistd.h, you should have pipe() (man 2 pipe), which is a basic but effective IPC16:15
timelesshrm, fopen callers seem ok16:15
lardmancrashanddie: that's implemented in the kernel though isn't it?16:15
timelessoh great, gvfs16:15
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timelessheh, winzip has its own image vviewer16:16
kaietimeless, do you have rights to change the bug to NEW?16:17
timelessi'm an admin :)16:17
crashanddielardman, it's worth the try16:17
timelessok, this code is scary16:17
crashanddietimeless, which code ? Slexy it16:18
timelesssorry, it's commercial :)16:18
crashanddieI'll sign an NDA with ya16:18
* kaie goes back to the work he's supposed to do16:18
lardmancrashanddie: no, it's not there16:18
lardmancrashanddie: I'll have to peak at the kernel code and see if I can mis-use some fn there to communicate16:19
timelesskaie: ok, foudn the code16:19
kaiegreat! thas was quick16:19
timelesswhich is recursive16:20
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timelesskaie: this is week 30, right?16:21
* timeless wonders what week this source code is (probably 31)16:21
timelessoh, good,, backup hasn't changed in recent memory16:21
* timeless goes back to reading16:21
crashanddielardman, I think you're better off looking at stuff such as SPOX and Spectron, IIRC, those are fully featured real-time dsp-run OSes, so you might have interesting stuff in there16:21
lardmanah, looks like there's some more stuff hidden in the dsp/bios16:22
lardmanmight find something suitable in here16:22
crashanddieheh, happy digging16:23
kaietimeless, right now my calendar says this is week 3316:23
timelesskaie: yeah, but the image you have on your device is from 3016:23
lardmanbuffered pipes, cool :)16:24
timelessand the sources i'm reading are technically from 31, but the eexact same sources were in 30 :)16:24
kaietimeless, I have the official image, I think I read it was released in june16:24
timelessthis isn't the update?16:24
timelessum, ... some other number, either way, the code hasn't changed :)16:24
kaieok, there was an update. what version number do you need?16:24
kaiewhere can I find it16:24
timelesscat /etc/osso_software_version16:25
timelesswell, this code is cute16:25
timeless gnome_vfs_directory_open_from_uri(...)16:25
timelesswhile (1)16:26
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kaietimeless, RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.30-2_PR_MR016:26
timelesskaie: the 30 there is a week number16:26
crashanddieAnyway, 0226, and haven't had something in my stomach yet, time for coffee, loads of it, ttyl16:26
timelessfor people who want to know why this code is cute16:27
crashanddielardman, there's buffered pipes ? AWESOME !16:27
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timelessso, anyone see what's clever about this code? :)16:27
trickieits already calls gnome_vfs_file_info_clear?16:28
crashanddietimeless, you empty the pointer before putting new stuff in it ?16:29
trickiebut im not really paying attanetion16:29
crashanddiewhich then also closes the file ?16:29
timelesscrash: the caller clears, and then the callee also clears16:29
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* timeless sighs16:36
timelessvoid *new;16:36
* timeless doesn't like C16:36
timelesskaie, stupid question16:37
timelessis it opening files or just directories?16:37
timelessfrom reading the code, it looked like it opened (recursively) folders16:38
timelessfrom reading your log, i see the same thing16:38
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kaielet me look16:41
kaietimeless, do you want the full strace file?16:41
timelessnot really16:41
timelessi think i have both code blobs identified16:41
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timelessjust a quick sanity check that it's only keeping dirs open would be good16:42
timelessalso, if you could figure out how it gets up to 12 files16:42
kaietimeless, yes only folders it seems16:42
kaiekeep open?16:43
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timelessbecause a quick look through the code shows it shouldnt' have more than one per path16:43
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timelessand that should based on your log only be a couple16:43
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timelessso i'm wondering where the *other* file handles are16:43
timeless(should it have closed them too?)16:43
kaietimeless, when it is stuck in the without file handles left, it will try to open folders, but only to lstat64 on files16:43
kaietimeless, it appears it opened the same directory over and over again, without closing it16:44
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kaie1000 times16:45
timelessis this before or after your log snippets?16:45
kaiemy final log snippet is when it is already stuck without handles16:46
kaielet me confirm what I put there16:46
kaietimeless, search for = 1023 from the end16:46
kaiethat same directory gets opened 1000 more times before16:46
kaieand after the =1023 it tries again and fails16:47
kaieand it continues to try16:47
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kaiesometimes it is able to close 1 or 2 handles, but then it just opens the same thing16:48
kaieand again...16:48
kaieegrep -w "open|close" log-osso-backup-settings | less16:48
kaiethis is all about the same path16:49
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timelesskaie: sorry, i've lost your link16:50
kaiewhat link? to the bug?16:50
timelessoh right, bugs16:51
* timeless was looking for a pastebin16:51
timelessoh, eww16:52
* timeless frowns16:52
timelessthis code doesn't look good16:52
timelessok, i found one instance of a file handle leak16:53
timelessabsolutely clear16:53
timelessandre__: if i confirm a bug, will you import it?16:53
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timelesskaie: confirmed. andre__: import :)16:54
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andre__err... you refer to a specific report here i guess. in general: no, not always :)16:54
andre__hehe, ok16:54
timelessandre__: i hate dealing w/ the internal bug tracking policies16:55
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timelesskaie: the clear leak is on a failure case which should only happen once16:55
timelessit's not the core problem16:55
timelessthe possible loop is real16:55
timelessand could explain the other things16:56
timelessbut i'm still not sure on the primary leak16:56
* timeless is going to read some other code16:56
timelessSetup a monitor. Note: those monitors are leaked on purpose16:57
timelesshrm, that sounds promising :)16:57
timeless(actually, it's in debug code, so it isn't interesting)16:58
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brontidethat's not good.  more iky code16:59
brontideIf it were open source, we might have found this a while ago ;-)16:59
timelesskaie: ok, my /guess/ is that g_dir_read_name will fail, and return a result which causes a loop17:00
kaiecongrats! sounds like you're very close to a fix17:01
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timelesswell, i need to figure out if i'm really claiming this is a bug in gnomevfs17:02
timeless(of course, that's EOLd)17:02
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brontidewhat's the replacement for gnomevfs... fuse?17:03
timelesshrm, "this didn't work"17:03
Jaffabrontide: GIO, isn't it?17:03
brontideSilly name, but yes... that appears to be it17:04
timelesskaie, ignore the fact that something's really wrong w/ the line listing17:04
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timelessimagine someone calls readdir and while it isn't EOF and while it isn't OK it keeps trying17:05
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andre__brontide, GIO within glib and the backends themselves are in gvfs17:08
* lcuk hates code with more #ifdef ...#else ... #endif lines than code17:09
lcuktimeless, readdir is only for win32 isnt it17:10
timelesskaie: ok, i've fixed the collapsing thing17:10
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lcukahhh sorry backwards ;) told you i hate them17:10
timelesslcuk: oops, so 1083 not 108517:10
timelessyou're riight, i tagged the wrong line17:10
lcuktimeless, does your IDE have the option to hide the #ifdef blocks, if so try it and see how much cleaner the code is17:12
timelessi don't have an ide17:12
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timelessall i have is mxr :)17:12
timelesswhat you're looking at is what i have17:12
timelessmxr actually tries to balance ifdefs17:12
lcukand just some editor?17:12
timelessnotepad, firefox, vi, nano17:13
lcukit does, but for actual code tracing purposes, hiding the #ifdef blocks out of scope would make your life easier17:13
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timelessi should see about teaching mxr to let you style them hidden17:13
lcukyer - sounds reasonable, its so easy to glance up and read something from the wrong branch17:14
timelesswell, mxr doesn't know which branch to take17:14
timelessbut it could let you define a user style sheet which tells it17:14
timelessor use jesse's live styles thing17:14
timelessit could probably even give you checkboxes for turning on/off styles17:15
lcukthats why you let it be an option :P  just a ticksheet at the top for the #ifdef choices within?17:15
* lcuk runs back to wrk anyway17:16
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lcukim gonna keep this mxr link open and investigate some more17:16
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timelessandre__/kaie: ok, bug filed17:19
timelessthat should explain the infinite loop17:20
kaiegreat work :-)17:20
timelessnote that the code is not a verbatim copy, but it shouldn't take much effort for someone to find the internal code :)17:20
timelessthat still doesn't explain the hundreds of opens17:20
timelesskaie: how big is the real log file?17:21
kaie5 mb, and I could probably cut off a lot of dupe lines at the end17:21
kaietimeless, want it your email gmail account?17:22
timelessthe sources are spread over ~20 files, it's well organized17:23
timelessbut not knowing it, being able to read through that strace will help17:23
timelessthere are a couple of passes17:23
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timelessi'm not sure how many yet :)17:23
timelessthere's definitely a "how much space will this thing take" pass17:23
timelessand there's obviously an "archive it!" pass17:23
timelessbut i need to know which pass is actively being stupid17:23
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timelessbtw, thanks for getting 443284 done17:24
kaieyou're welcome, still many to go on my to do list17:24
timelessone thing though...17:24
timelesshg makes it easy to assign ownership to changes17:25
timelessso it's slightly better to do:17:25
timelesshg commit -u -m "fixes from attachment XXX for bug YYY"17:25
timelesshg commit -u that_other_guy -m "fixes from attachment XX2 for bug YYY"17:25
kaiegood to know, thx17:25
timelessand then hg push the pair17:25
timelessthat way blame is assigned properly17:25
timelessnote that i don't believe in -m17:25
timelessand for reference, is the checkin address for me :)17:26
timelessbut don't try mailing me there, i don't read it17:26
timeless(i can get it, but... it's gb's of unread data)17:26
timelessdear spammers: i won't notice your spam in the bugmail sea so please don't bother sending mail to me17:26
aquatixGB waster!17:28
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timelessaquatix: tell me about it17:28
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timelesshrm, mozillausers-central is only like ~10gb of data17:30
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timelessthe browser itself is ~26gb17:30
* timeless didn't realize how tiny the browser was :)17:30
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* qwerty12 coughs :P17:30
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* timeless kicks firefox17:44
timelesspasting multiple lines into the fast find bar doesn't seem to work very well17:44
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qwerty12Anyone recompiled cx3110x here?17:50
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eichi_i copied some files via usb to my maemo device, no i cant delete ur use them. via usb i got Stale NFS file handle and from the device itself i get I/O error trying to use this file17:55
crashanddieqwerty12, recompiled ?17:55
crashanddieqwerty12, do we have the sources then ?17:55
qwerty12crashanddie: yes, cx3110x sources are open, umac sources are not17:55
crashanddiecx3110x is the wifi part, right ?17:56
* qwerty12 is trying to get PREMPT working:
qwerty12crashanddie: some of it. umac is part of it too afaik17:57
qwerty12But you can do a lot with modifying cx3110x. ssvb has overclocked the wifi chip modifying the cx3110x source17:57
crashanddied'you think it'd be possible to hack it to support packet injection? :-°18:00
qwerty12No idea :/18:01
crashanddiedjeezus, what an URL18:02
qwerty12I wish I could come :(18:02
crashanddieYou can't ?18:03
crashanddiereally can't ?18:03
qwerty12Yep :(18:03
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qwerty12allnamesareout is brilliant.18:07
crashanddieGoogle search fails18:07
crashanddietrying to call the HR dude who contacted me a few days back18:07
crashanddie"Welcome to Google, we are trying to find your correspondent, please hold the line"18:07
Proteousyeah, all the google phone search inteligence went to the google411 department18:08
crashanddiegoogle411 ?18:08
Proteousgoogle it18:09
crashanddieoh, 1-800-GOOG-41118:09
timeless :)18:09
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qwerty12Any way to see if a kernel is PREEMPT without uname?18:14
zapcat /proc/version ?18:15
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qwerty12zap: It returns the same thing as uname which is why I didn't suggest that.18:15
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kaieI heard the diable upgrade features a new email client. is it now able to support imap folders?18:21
kaiebut I might just try it out myself18:22
Jaffakaie: modest. Yes, it does IMAP much better.18:22
kaiecool thanks. another question is whether the new client still supports s/mime18:22
JaffaIME you can't leave it unattended, though - it's pernickity and buggy in lots of little niggly ways.18:22
Jaffae.g. it's not doing *any* automated send/receive for me.18:23
kaieI'll give it a try thx18:23
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brontideModest does not do s/mime last I read18:27
brontidehaven't tried myself18:28
crashanddieqwerty12, cat .config | grep -i preempt ?18:28
qwerty12crashanddie: thanks, but I need a way of telling from the device.18:28
qwerty12~lart nokia's version magic18:28
* infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags nokia's version magic into court suing for $200 million18:28
qwerty12The kernel should be PREEMPT though, because the modules are bigger.18:29
crashanddiepreempt doesn't have anything to do with modules size18:30
crashanddiewell, not inherently18:31
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qwerty12nautilus really sucks18:36
summatusmentisI think modest hates me18:38
summatusmentisor it's my connection/huge gmail inbox18:39
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brontideqwerty12: could the errors be from the umac.ko binary driver?18:40
brontidewhich is required for cx3110x18:40
Jaffasummatusmentis: I think it hates me too, and my Gmail inbox has 20 items in it. is particularly annoying: no auto send/receive.18:41
qwerty12brontide: probably not as those errors were recieved while I was compiling the module as well18:41
qwerty12I've given up on that method. I'm currently using a PREEMPT kernel with PREEMPT string removed and modules inside the initfs replaced with ones compiled from the PREEMPT kernel.18:42
crashanddieqwerty12, /proc/sys/kernel/preemption18:43
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crashanddieand /proc/sys/kernel/voluntary-preemption18:43
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qwerty12crashanddie: thanks. Both of those files aren't there for me. Says it all >.<18:44
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qwerty12crashanddie: I knew it! Even with a proper compiled PREEMPT kernel (Preempt is in the uname), those proc files still do not exist :)18:58
fredyriveraplease any  sendme the url from  yahoo aerial repositories   to maemo-maps18:58
crashanddieqwerty12, ah18:59
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crashanddieqwerty12, sorry then :-°18:59
qwerty12No problems :)18:59
brontideqwerty12: I suppose it would be too much to expect the preempt kernel to provide faster WiFi down speeds ( better than 750kB/s )19:00
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pupnikwhat causes the 750kB/s limit?19:00
qwerty12brontide: got a link that works with wget that I can test with?19:00
qwerty12(if its illegal, pm me, I don't care :P)19:01
brontidehow fast is your upstream?19:01
lardmanfredyrivera: you looked at the thread on itt?19:01
qwerty12brontide: around ~450 kbps19:02
* moontiger lurks19:02
qwerty12Oops, do you mean upstream as in download speed?19:02
brontidethat won't help then 6920kbps = 865kB/s19:03
brontideI'm already getting 750kB/s = 6000kbps19:04
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fredyriveralardman: there is a thread for maemo-mapper?19:04
lardmanfredyrivera: yes, one which lists the urls of various repos19:06
jottbrontide: qwerty12: just use a local web server or something like iperf to test throughput.19:08
fredyriveraI saw this:, but the yaerial repositorie is not right19:08
crashanddielardman, how's the IPC going ?19:08
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lardmancrashanddie: been to clinic for an eye test, so not done much, and can't focus very well now :)19:10
lardmancrashanddie: am sat in dark room with sunglasses on as screen is far too white :)19:10
lardmanbut have found some methods to perform piping between tasks, so am happy19:10
qwerty12lardman: in windows?19:11
lardmanqwerty12: screen or piping?19:11
lardmancrashanddie: just need to finish either tremor or mp3 task, then can test piping directly to the sbc task :)19:11
qwerty12lardman: screen :). Sorry, I should rephrase myself to make it sound like a proper question :). Are you in windows at the moment? :)19:12
qwerty12Oh, I guess not :)19:12
lardmanqwerty12: yes, but will reboot to Linux in a mo so I can program19:12
* lardman had to tweak a paper19:12
qwerty12oh. press alt-shift-print screen :D19:12
lardmanwhat does that do?19:12
qwerty12Sets windows in high contrast mode :). I do it for a joke but it may actually be useful in this case.19:13
lardmanah I see19:13
lardmanno, my irises are just dilated so everything is very very bright19:13
qwerty12ah :(19:13
lardmanpolarised sunglasses + lcd screens gives infinitely variable brightness anyway :)19:14
lardman+ sore neck19:14
qwerty12:). My linux partition keeps corrupting itself :D. I've ran fsck 5 times this morning :/19:14
lardmanIf any hackers out there want to figure out the EAP calls which the various tasks make to output audio on the DSP, that would be useful as another sink method19:15
crashanddieI'm out guys, London 2600, later !19:15
qwerty12Heh, see ya crashanddie19:16
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skiburhow do I like xlibs using gcc?19:17
* qwerty12 doesn't need gcc to like them19:17
skiburlink, sorry19:18
skibur-lx ?19:18
skiburgcc file.c -o file -lx ?19:18
skibur-lxlib ?19:18
lardmanthough you may need other X11 related libs too19:20
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lardmanperhaps look at some of the existing maemo source code to see what they use?19:21
lardmane.g. the tutorial hello world app, etc.19:22
pupniklardman: do you have a blog?19:22
lardmanpupnik: yes, but I don't use it19:22
pupnikmight help to aggregate info for others to follow and extend your work19:23
lardmanwell I post to the maemo-dev list19:23
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lardmanand if people are intersted, all they need do is ask me19:23
pupnikok you're right19:23
pupnikmaemo-dev yields search results19:24
* pupnik listening to an amazing interview with Ray McGovern19:24
pupnikAmazing show today: interviews with Ray McGovern, Pat Buchanan, Joe Lauria and Gordon Prather!  Stream playlist:
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lardmanbbiam, need to reboot19:29
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lbthow do I edit the homepage for a garage project?19:31
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lbt(It would be very sensible if that page actually told me!!)19:31
lbtOK - another autobuilder one... checking for MAEMOMM... configure: error: Package requirements (hildonmm >= 0.9.6 hildon-fmmm >= 0.9.6) were not met:19:33
lbtI thought the autobuilder pulled in dependencies?19:34
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melmothlbt create a /web (or /www) directory in your subvrsion repo19:35
melmothor is it html ?19:35
jottlbt: it should be enough to put stuff in /www in the svn.19:35
lbtOK - I use git back here so I hadn't bothered with svn19:35
jottand autobuilder pulls the dependencies defined in your control file (or those that where automatically generated).19:36
lbtwill do19:36
jottyou seem to miss libhildonmm (or what ever the package is called)19:36
lbtok - looking at the logs now19:37
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jottlbt: add libhildonmm-dev to Build-Depends19:37
lbtdpkg-buildpackage and autoconf pull this stuff together19:38
lbtbut not all of it apparently...19:38
jottlbt: you have to define it in the build-depends.19:38
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lbtmy debian/control file19:39
jottthe runtime dependecies are calculated automatically19:39
lbtyep, hmm19:39
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lbtI saw the autoconf for Depends19:39
jottif you add "${shlibs:Depends}" to your depends19:39
lbtbut it's not Build-Depends is it...19:39
jottbuild-depends are the packages autobuilder fetches, so make sure all needed packages are declared19:39 has PKG_CHECK_MODULES(MAEMOMM, hildonmm >= 0.9.6 hildon-fmmm >= 0.9.6)19:39
lbtit should be bright enough to update Build-Depends from that!19:40
jottblame debian guys :)19:40
lbt!lart Debian guys19:40
lbt~lart Debian guys19:40
* infobot stamps Debian guys on the forehead with the official Troll marker19:40
lbtok - I'll try again... thanks19:40
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lbtdoes PKG_CHECK_MODULES(MAEMOMM, hildonmm >= 0.9.6  translate to Build-Depends: libhildonmm-dev (>= 0.9.6)19:43
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jotthm yes, should be right.19:44
lbtsorry for the nagging but.... having screwed up the control file, do I ++ the version?19:45
lbtor only on a good build19:45
jottyes, always do.19:46
lbtthis could get mature really quickly19:46
jottah you can separate package and application version numbers.19:46
jottlike append things as "-1maemo0" "-1maemo1" etc.19:47
lbtin the Changelog19:47
jottor just "-1" "-2"19:47
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lbtI tweaked if anyone would like to double check19:51
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lbtyou see, I resisted that!19:54
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* lbt feels smug19:54
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lbtI'm a little confused about the upload process for free packages... I seem to need to build i386 and armel debs and sign the i386&armel changes19:58
lbtand then upload the src19:58
lbtshouldn't I sign the shopper_0.3.1_source.changes19:58
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lardmanGarage down again?20:05
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lbtdoesn't seem to be20:07
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lbtI can confirm that the autobuilder FAIL email subsystem is working fine. I'm really banging on it :D20:14
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lardmanlbt: just very slow svn, no worries20:24
lbtprobably 'cos it's building Shopper20:24
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lbtand succeeding :)20:24
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lbtnow where do they go? I want to try and pull them onto my test mmc20:25
jottlbt: it should come up here.20:26
lbtso add 'extras-devel' to the appmgr?20:27
jottfor example. but keep in mind that extra-devel may contain dangerous packages that break your system.20:27
lbtjott: automatically - or human queue?20:27
jottextra-devel should be automatic :)20:28
lbtI'm doing the chinook build now - and seeing if Shopper works there...20:28
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timelyandre__: one more for you to send instream :)20:38
moontigerwhat is shopper?20:42
pope523Can someone help me with Canola2?20:42
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RST38hGentlemen, could someone do ls -l /etc/alternatives/python for me?20:50
RST38hIt looks like Python Launcher changes this link and does not restore it when uninstalling20:50
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johnxlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Jun 28 03:48 /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.520:51
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RST38haha, thanks!20:51
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luck^RST38h, please file a bug at pylauncher's bugzilla.. I'm a bit busy right now but I'll take a look on this. I remember that update-alternatives isn't fully functional on Maemo21:01
timelyluck^: is that one of the things responsible for breaking microb?21:01
timelypeople said one of those py things installed a /scratchbox directory onto the device21:02
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luck^timely, I don't about this problem :(21:03
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RST38hluck: ok21:09
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GeneralAntillesActually, um, the unofficial bootloader CAN affect the rest of the system when the initfs is updated, lcuk.21:40
lcukGeneralAntilles, are you replying to a thread from this mornin gen?21:40
GeneralAntillesStuck in scrollback21:40
GeneralAntillesMany you whiners spam a lot.21:41
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Man you whiners spam a lot.21:41
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GeneralAntillesImportant things like bme and dsme are on initfs21:41
lcukyer thats ok, not important21:41
GeneralAntillesWhich could lead to Bad Things if they're not updated properly with the rest of the system.21:41
lcuksubject was transitory and not my forte anyway - im sticking with the default system :)21:41
GeneralAntillesSo, basically, what you're ACTUALLY after is a regular old package upgrade system for the initfs21:42
GeneralAntilleswhich would be quite nice, but I don't think it would be stable enough.21:42
lcukyou are just posting to increase your line count21:42
lcukto catch up with me incase karma counts :P21:42
lcukbut it wont work you know21:42
lcukcos i can type quick :P21:42
RST38hYou are all posting to increase your line counts!21:43
* GeneralAntilles rolleyes21:44
AStormRST38h: surely ;P21:44
RST38hKarma whores! May Cthulhu suck your collective brains through a huge straw!21:45
RST38hMay He feast on your flesh sauteed with peanut butter!21:47
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lbtlcuk: Shopper is in Chinook extras-devel :)21:50
lcuklbt! nice21:50
lcukill take a look once i do this step21:50
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AStormRST38h: mmmh, peanut butter21:50
lbtjust dl'ed onto my test chinook and it worked (no logo though)21:50
infobotlbt meant: just dl'ed onto my test chinook and it worked (no icon though)21:51
lbtok bbl21:51
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GeneralAntilleslbt, the "(always/sometimes/once)" line needs to be DELETED and filled out. . . .21:57
* GeneralAntilles is caught up on the IRC backlog, moves on to the next one.21:58
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GeneralAntillesI like how people getting the MicroB "out of memory" error were claiming completely fresh installs of Diablo and 30-222:03
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egyptinfobot: what language are you written in?22:10
lbtGeneralAntilles: yeah - I realised that - but bugzilla isn't a wiki and it wasn't worth another post :)22:10
infobotegypt: what are you talking about?22:10
GeneralAntilleslbt, just for future notice. :)22:10
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* egypt pokes infobot 22:11
infobotegypt meant: python?22:11
lbtegypt: python judging by the functionality...22:11
infobotegypt meant: ruby?22:11
AStorms/perl/telinit S/22:12
RST38hMay you all program in MUMPS until Cthulhu finally eats you with ketchup22:13
lbtI'd appreciate if people could try Shopper (in extras-devel) and let me have comments... (some of which are on my todo anyhow)22:14
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mikkov_lbt: how does shopper work? It prompts me to open file. What file? ;)22:21
lbtyep - that's one thing :)22:21
lbtpress Cancel22:21
lbtit doesn't have a list22:22
lbtand is asking for one22:22
mikkov_let's see22:22
egyptinfobot: are you still alive?22:22
lbtegypt: leave her alone22:22
lcukare irc channels publically listed by default?22:22
egyptfair enough22:23
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egyptlcuk: yes, but /list on freenode is a bad idea22:25
mikkov_lbt: adding a note to item crashes Shopper22:25
lcukegypt, thanks, thats not what i was thinking of - im testing a bot and i dont really want ppl barging in whilst im in a compromising position22:25
lbtdo you have an 810?22:25
lbtdid you press <return>22:26
lbtI think it's a bug in the gtkmm library handling the virtual keyboard22:26
egyptlcuk: cool.  don't pass regexes directly from the user.  =)22:26
lbtI'm working on it22:26
lbtyou can just click elsewhere22:26
mikkov_yeah, not pressing return works22:27
lbtAFAIK that's the only way to crash it at the moment - happy if you find others...22:27
lcukegypt, do not plan on doing - i want interactive whiteboards with n8x0 and i think an irc chan happens to make a nice host for the kind of data22:27
lbtessentially it wants to lose focus22:27
lcukand they already have the server capabilities22:27
GeneralAntilleslcuk /mode #channel +i22:28
mikkov_lbt: full screen button doesn't work (you probably knew this)22:28
lbtthe icon in bottom left does though22:28
lcukGeneralAntilles, :) font of knowledge, thanks22:28
lbtbottom right22:28
GeneralAntilleslcuk, check out the IRC operator's handbook22:28
GeneralAntillesIt covers most of the relevant channel modes22:28
lcukyer i know ;)22:28
lcukive jumped in at the deep end again22:29
GeneralAntilles+s secret22:29
GeneralAntillestimeless, not hugely positive progress on getting Peter into bugzilla22:30
* lcuk wonders how hes gonna get binary images down the wire22:30
lbtworked for nntp22:31
lbtmmm alt.22:31
lcukim thinking more bandwidth and speed considerations22:31
egyptbase64 is smaller than uuencode isn't it?22:32
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egyptbase64 increases the size of data by about one third22:32
lcukthe protocol isnt so important yet22:32
lcukdepending upon the source data of course22:32
mikkov_lbt: another crash, items->Edit Category->quick double tap on category->crash22:34
lbtooh - that's new - confirmed :)22:35
iXcehmm, may I use the pidgin at on diablo?22:35
* GeneralAntilles is just getting through Gmail.22:36
GeneralAntillesdneary hatin' on IRC22:36
* GeneralAntilles starts an essay.22:36
RST38hwhat did dneary do?22:36
iXceoh yeah, and is it normal that the default diablo mail application badly freezes when using a gmail account?22:36
lbtdissed irc22:36
lbtwe'z a bunch of l0s3rs22:37
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, sign up for -community already. :P22:37
tomais the mail client in the last firmware open source?22:37
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GeneralAntillestoma, yes.22:39
tomaGeneralAntilles: what's the package name?22:39
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lbtmikkov_: thanks for the Shopper help - I've noted them down :)22:50
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GeneralAntillesAlright, sent my pro-IRC email off.22:57
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mikkov_lbt: no problem ;)22:59
* GeneralAntilles is wondering whether he should invest any time in working on the wiki style or just let the INdT guys handle it.23:00
lcukGeneralAntilles, thats a really good mail :)(23:02
GeneralAntillesIRC has been a very significant part of my participation in the Maemo community.23:03
GeneralAntillesBoth in getting me involved in the first place and how I'm involved now.23:03
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RST38hGAN: I have enough incoming information in the shape of the war news at the moment23:06
RST38hGAN: Adding Maemo flame wars to the incoming data stream feels somehow excessive23:06
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kkrustydo the n800 and n810 offer the same performance?23:14
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RST38hall right, on to fixing the hildon menus in sr23:19
dougtkkrusty: we haven't noticed any great perf bump23:19
dougtkkrusty: the n810 runs a bit faster iirc, but the n800 also got that bump in a diablo?23:19
GeneralAntilleskkrusty, they're the same inside23:20
GeneralAntillesThey're both OMAP242023:20
GeneralAntillesThere's no difference between the two given the same software set23:20
GeneralAntillesThe N810 would run at 330MHz, too, if you installed OS2007 on it.23:20
dougtso, you upgrade and you go to 400?23:21
RST38hhardware is identical23:21
GeneralAntillesN810 has the keyboard, transflective screen, GPS, and miniSD23:21
RST38hdougt: upgraded system *can* pump it up to 40023:21
GeneralAntillesdougt, installing OS2008 on an N800 brings it to 400MHz23:21
RST38hdougt: it does not mean it *will* do so on permanent basis, but it may, if there is demand23:22
joshinToo bad that it won't do the same thing on a 770.  :p23:23
joshinOr as high as the 770 has a chance of still working.  :)23:23
GeneralAntilles770 is already past its rated MHz23:23
GeneralAntillesRated for 220MHz, running at 252MHz23:25
GeneralAntillesNokia got speed-sorted OMAP1710's, I suppose.23:25
RST38hcan I pleas speed up my E70 to 252MHz? =)23:25
GeneralAntillesRST38h, idontdosymbian23:26
joshinI know.  I'd love to see if I could push the 770 further.23:26
GeneralAntillesLikely not without breaking things.23:26
joshinNope but it would give me an excuse for a 810.23:26
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GeneralAntillesThe memory timings seem to be a bit dependent on the core speed on these SoCs.23:27
GeneralAntillesYou need an excuse? :P23:27
joshinNot really but I'm still generally enjoying my 770's.  (I have 3)23:27
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GeneralAntillesThe OMAP2 devices are like a whole new world.23:28
GeneralAntillesThey're lightyears beyond the 770.23:28
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joshinI know.  They're much better.  I'll probably be ordering a Beagleboard soon and then either a 810 or a Pandora23:29
RST38hmemory is timed separately23:29
RST38ha standard arm-based soc will have at least 4 clock settings23:29
* GeneralAntilles is so stoked for the Beagle.23:29
RST38hmaster, cpu, sdram bus, ahb bus23:30
RST38hahb is for flash and peripherals, so it is of less importance23:30
GeneralAntillesHoly hell, they're AVAILABLE?!23:30
* GeneralAntilles buy-buy-buys23:30
joshinYeah, they've been shipping for a few weeks or so.23:30
* GeneralAntilles wonders how he missed that.23:31
pupnikanybody here have a beagleboard yet?23:31
* pupnik saw the footage of one running OS2007 23:32
pupnikor 2008, i forgot23:32
kkrustyGeneralAntilles: sorry I just went away for a while. I actually gave away my N800. Now Im either going to buy a N810 or wait for something new to come up23:32
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joshinI can't wait to see what sort of ideas people come up with to expand one.23:35
GeneralAntillesThey're advertising OpenGL support23:35
joshinI was thinking more of lots of storage and fast networking.23:36
joshinI need to read up on the expansion bus.23:36
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GeneralAntillesWell, it's on backorder23:38
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GeneralAntillesjoshin, sorry, the OpenGL statement was unrelated to your statement23:39
GeneralAntillesI merely brought it up because the PowerVR drivers were somewhat in question.23:39
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joshinYup. We're all drooling over it together.  ;)23:40
GeneralAntillesLet's hope they get some in soon.23:41
GeneralAntillesI dunno quite what I'm going to do with mine yet.23:41
GeneralAntillesBut damn is that a hot piece of hardware23:41
zaphow the beagleboard guys solved the problem with the 3D accelerator>23:41
GeneralAntilleszap, real drivers. . . .23:42
zapreal drivers - closed source binary blob?23:42
GeneralAntillesThere's pretty much no way Imagination Tech is opening their drivers.23:43
pupniknp Fila Brazillia - Slow Light  (genius!)23:43
* joshin goes to join #beagle on this here freenode23:43
GeneralAntillesBut, uh, #beagle for some real info23:44
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lbtnight all23:49
n800nairshow ;/23:49
n800nloud as hell23:49
pupnikif there's an accident, don't forget to say 'oh, the humanity!'23:51
n800nf22 s are pretty amazing23:53
n800njust saw one by accident23:53
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n800nlooked like it was stalling 100 ft above the lake23:55
n800nthen took off straight up23:55
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n800ni'm sure the dude's swallowed a bit of his own brain23:56
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n800nthere was a petition last year to move it elsewhere and it worked so well now it's 3 days instead of 223:58
* pupnik prepares his fembot army23:59
pupnikoops, ignore that23:59

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