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| johnx_ | build-essential is a good place to start for ideas of what you'll need | 00:00 |
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| Anunakin | thanks | 00:01 |
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| GAN800 | motherfucker | 00:03 |
| lcuk | someone beat you to posting errors for karma? | 00:03 |
| GAN800 | through six pages and my sister closes the rowser. . . . | 00:03 |
| GAN800 | browser | 00:03 |
| * GAN800 sighs. | 00:04 | |
| johnx_ | shift+ctrl+t | 00:04 |
| Anunakin | GAN800: On firefox? | 00:04 |
| GAN800 | No, session isn't saved. | 00:04 |
| Anunakin | try use google sync addon | 00:04 |
| Anunakin | this save any pages and sessions | 00:04 |
| johnx_ | GAN800, definitely set firefox to save the POST data | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | johnx_, i dont tihnk that combination will strangle an annoying sister - he needs shift+ctrl+s | 00:05 |
| johnx_ | I used to have the same problem | 00:05 |
| GAN800 | I was about to copy it over to a text editor, too. | 00:05 |
| johnx_ | (losing posts, not strangling sibblings) | 00:05 |
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| johnx_ | GAN800, I found the setting to tweak in "tab mix plus" but I'm pretty sure it's a native firefox setting. You could probably find it in about:config (maybe on the tablet too) | 00:09 |
| GAN800 | Don't use FF | 00:09 |
| johnx_ | safari? | 00:10 |
| johnx_ | or something based on gecko? | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | OmniWeb | 00:10 |
| johnx_ | O_o | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, indeed, the sniping scene was quite intense | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | No kidding | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, but I like the chopper sequence better | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | johnx, I love the tabs and workspaces | 00:11 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | literally "chopper" | 00:11 |
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| johnx_ | I've heard it's good, but never had a Mac where I could install anything I wanted | 00:11 |
| johnx_ | (had one for work) | 00:11 |
| GAN800 | The action sequences were good, too bad I didn't give two shits about the characters | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | I gave a shit about the girl | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | she's kinda hawt | 00:12 |
| GAN800 | lol | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | Though, the scenario wasn't all that complex, I mean, when the doc says to the kid "oh, one green and one brown, that's a genetic bla bla bla, who you got it from ?" "my mother", and then the mother manages to survive with the virus, I knew how it was gonna end :P | 00:13 |
| GAN800 | I coulda cared less when the soldier died. | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | Well, that part of the movie is quite sketchy | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I can understand the army shooting everything down when they're all running about | 00:14 |
| GAN800 | But the sniper scene was worth everything | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | but when they're trying to steal a car... i mean... Djeezus, that's not some bloodthirsty fucker, that's just a healthy bloke from eastern london | 00:14 |
| * lardman is shocked | 00:15 | |
| lardman | about sbc, not what you lot are talking about | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | oh, and btw, I thought the first one was a lot better | 00:16 |
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| GAN800 | Most definitely | 00:16 |
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| lardman | GAN800: from your comment about your sister, I take it you're back home? | 00:17 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 00:17 |
| GAN800 | Going back to school on the 25th | 00:17 |
| lardman | so does that mean you'll be coming to Berlin? ;) | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | I think quite the contrary, actually | 00:18 |
| GAN800 | lol, no. | 00:18 |
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| crashanddie | I'm just happy they used the exact same theme song | 00:18 |
| GAN800 | Especially not without sponsorship. | 00:18 |
| lardman | true, that's closed now isn't it | 00:19 |
| lardman | hmm, have we had a kernel update in the past few weeks? | 00:19 |
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| GAN800 | lardman, yesterday | 00:21 |
| lardman | really, I must have missed that | 00:21 |
| lardman | mine's dated July the 16th | 00:21 |
| lbt | I just upgraded and now I'm fixing initfs | 00:21 |
| lardman | GAN800: what date does your uname -a show? | 00:22 |
| lbt | has anyone tried the old evkey on the new initfs? | 00:22 |
| GAN800 | Hrm, maybe it wasn't updatef. | 00:23 |
| lardman | that was the initfs, still looks like it's been updated at some point since I tried the dsp unhooking patch | 00:24 |
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| lardman | hmm, or not, name is identical | 00:24 |
| lbt | my initfs was blatted during the install | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | kernel was flashed, though. | 00:25 |
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| lardman | is that automatic when initfs is updated? Or was there some change at some point, but no name change? | 00:25 |
| lbt | well, it rebooted into the flash OS - which wasn't upgrading so didn't carry on the updgrade process and probably didn't flash the kernel | 00:25 |
| lardman | not yours, in general :) | 00:26 |
| lbt | oh - lardman, your kernel was flashed - but to the same version? | 00:26 |
| lardman | yeah | 00:26 |
| lbt | ok | 00:26 |
| lardman | ~lart Gnome for always crashing the filemanager | 00:27 |
| * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on Gnome for always crashing the filemanager | 00:27 | |
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| lardman | how does flash-and-reboot work? Can I somehow just flash a zImage? | 00:29 |
| lbt | nandwrite -a -p /dev/mtd2 zImage | 00:29 |
| lbt | I think it's mtd2 | 00:29 |
| lardman | lol, sounds dangerous | 00:30 |
| lbt | *DONT* take my word for it :) | 00:30 |
| lbt | In case it isn't '''blindingly obvious''' - messing with the initfs and your tablet flash can burn you. | 00:30 |
| lbt | (from the wiki page I'm doing) | 00:30 |
| ds3 | don't you usually need a flash_eraseall /dev/mtd2 first? | 00:30 |
| lardman | indeed | 00:30 |
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| lbt | yes ds3 | 00:30 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Initfs_hacking | 00:31 |
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| lardman | nothing about flashing kernel there though is there? | 00:33 |
| lardman | not to mind, I used flasher-3 in the end | 00:33 |
| lbt | hold your horses ... :) | 00:33 |
| lbt | seriously - I don't know at the moment | 00:34 |
| lardman | I'm done now anyway, thanks for trying | 00:34 |
| lbt | I think I've read some hw architecture stuff on the flash area | 00:34 |
| lbt | the empeg car stereo has a /proc/zImage which has a write access hook | 00:35 |
| lbt | so copying a new zimage to /proc/zimage initiates a kernel driven flash | 00:36 |
| lbt | via a buffer | 00:36 |
| lbt | nice safe feeling | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I already answered that question for you on itT. :P | 00:36 |
| lardman | balls, still very low framerate :( | 00:36 |
| lbt | damn - I should have done that for the Karma. | 00:36 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I know, I couldn't remember whether I had the right binary though | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | flash-and-reboot is just a wrapper for fiasco-flasher | 00:36 |
| lardman | that sounds better, I couldn't get --help to do anything | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which grabs images from /usr/share/something, feeds them to fiasco-flasher, deletes them and reboots. | 00:37 |
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| lbt | http://lessig.org/blog/2008/08/huge_and_important_news_free_l.html | 00:39 |
| lbt | just saw via /. | 00:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, still a distinct lack of frames being displayed while dsp-sbc is being used | 00:42 |
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| lardman | any thoughts as to how to debug this? | 00:43 |
| lbt | dtrace | 00:44 |
| lardman | how will that help? | 00:45 |
| lardman | hmm, sounds interesting though anyway | 00:46 |
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| lbt | seeing what's happening - possibly looking at elapsed times - kernel level dynamic profiling | 00:46 |
| lbt | not sure where that's up to for 2.6.21 though | 00:47 |
| lbt | it's not upstream at that point but the patches may be applicable | 00:47 |
| lardman | sounds painful whichever way I try it | 00:47 |
| lbt | (it's not dtrace though, is it? That's the sun version IIRC) | 00:47 |
| lbt | well, sometimes you just need printf()s | 00:48 |
| lardman | I've got lots of printfs :) | 00:48 |
| lbt | and that's a low-level way to get them ;) | 00:48 |
| lbt | kprintfs | 00:48 |
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| lardman | the code runs, it just kills video output when it runs | 00:48 |
| GAN800 | make it output 'Something's happening' to stdout with every function. | 00:51 |
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| lardman | I think that may be the problem | 00:51 |
| lardman | wondering whether it's slowing down the kernel too much doing data transfers, then mplayer is getting upset and dropping frames | 00:51 |
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| lbt | I was going to say - I was instrumenting Shopper to find out why it was slow | 00:51 |
| lbt | and when I removed the printfs - it was fine | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | depends where and how many you have - i generally remove running debugs after i confirm things have worked | 00:52 |
| lbt | I have *a lot* | 00:52 |
| lardman | yeah, I've just converted from using bulk transfers, which the kernel does short by short (iirc), to shared memory with single shorts transferred for sync | 00:52 |
| lcuk | if i uncomment just 1 line i can produce over 1000 lines per frame | 00:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles starts over with the website bugs. | 00:53 | |
| lcuk | i need it occasionally but theres no way i could put it in production | 00:53 |
| lardman | lcuk: sounds like debugging Tremor, then add on the problem that you can only capture ~100 lines ;) | 00:53 |
| ds3 | is dsp/tremor done? | 00:53 |
| lardman | ds3: no | 00:53 |
| ds3 | dsp/sbc? | 00:53 |
| lardman | ds3: yes and no | 00:54 |
| lardman | it works, unless you want to watch video too | 00:54 |
| lardman | which is what I'm trying to work out now | 00:54 |
| ds3 | oh so it does not coexists? | 00:54 |
| lardman | it coexists, just kills the video framerate if you try to use it while outputting video too | 00:54 |
| ds3 | can I use dsp/sbc with dsp/mp3 to play to a wireless headset? (is the bluez/plugz bits there yet?) | 00:54 |
| lcuk | lardman, just try something random, play an mp3 and start liqbase (if you have it) see if the performance is drastically lower | 00:54 |
| ds3 | I can do without the video | 00:55 |
| lardman | ds3: no, you can't pipe from the mp3 dsp task to the sbc task :( | 00:55 |
| lardman | ds3: you have to do mp3 decoding on arm atm using libmad | 00:55 |
| ds3 | lardman: Hmmm okay... what about the plugz/bluez bits to use the sbc task? | 00:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: it's not a cpu problem afaict | 00:55 |
| lardman | ds3: yeah, all works | 00:56 |
| lcuk | im thinking memory - im blitting stuff around totally for every frame | 00:56 |
| lardman | ds3: one day, I may port an mp3 decoder and work out how to string them together openmax stylee | 00:56 |
| lardman | ds3: not for a while though | 00:56 |
| ds3 | lardman: is this available as a deb to make media player output with sbc but use libmad for decoding? | 00:56 |
| lcuk | if there is a conflict between the dsp and a cpu app wanting the memory bus what happens? | 00:56 |
| ds3 | cpu I think has priority | 00:57 |
| lardman | ds3: there's a bluez-utils deb on the Garage project page, but it won't tweak the built in player, I don;t know how to do that | 00:57 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yeah, not sure | 00:57 |
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| ds3 | lardman: ah.. so no easy way to use A2DP headsets yet w/o a new media player | 00:57 |
| lardman | next step is dma for data transfer | 00:57 |
| lardman | ds3: no, not until Nokia open the media player, though it must be possible to tweak the conf files to change the GStreamer pipeline, I'd have thought | 00:58 |
| lardman | I leave that to someone else, I'll just fiddle with the encoder :) | 00:58 |
| ds3 | lardman: someone had a tweaked media player that fully understands OGGs so it can't be that off | 00:59 |
| lardman | no, I'm sure it's doable | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | 500GB Blu-ray, w00t | 00:59 |
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| lardman | you could either go for the alsa sink or there's an gstreamer sbc sink in bluez iirc | 00:59 |
| Raytray | boo@highlight. | 00:59 |
| lardman | both will use dsp-sbc if you use the tweaked version | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | Raytray, then fix it, not my fault if you've highlighted RAY :P | 01:00 |
| Raytray | At least I don't highlight for GRAY | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | Raytray, I used to have a highlight on "crash" | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | I quickly changed that when I joined #debian and ##c++ | 01:00 |
| Raytray | lol | 01:01 |
| Raytray | Not many say the word ray unless it's like blu-ray or x-ray | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ray | 01:01 |
| ds3 | I just wish there was a central prefs option to say output to A2DP | 01:01 |
| Raytray | so I'm pretty much fine except for the occasional ones. | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ray is so lame. | 01:01 |
| Raytray | Oh and then there's antilles. I think he hasn't forgotten the time he went to take a nap and we highlighted him out of it. | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | I'm going outside for a smoke, anyone care to join me , | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | ? | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | btw, I just bought a throw-away phone | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | well, "just", as in "today" | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | went into the store, asked for a pay as you go phone, £30, I paid, they gave me the phone, I left | 01:04 |
| crashanddie | no names, no credit card | 01:04 |
| Raytray | What for? | 01:04 |
| lbt | best things since sliced bread .... for criminals. | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | lbt, agreed, it's amazing | 01:05 |
| lardman | so are payphones | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | lardman, well no, because a payphone is a bit more traceable, right ? | 01:05 |
| ||cw | not really | 01:05 |
| lbt | yeah - 'cos you'd never look twice at someone lugging a big red box down the street | 01:05 |
| ||cw | heh | 01:05 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: like the used cell tower of your phonecall isn't logged | 01:06 |
| lbt | did you spot the 'throw away' part? | 01:06 |
| aquatix | lbt: just paint it blue and put `Police box' on it | 01:06 |
| aquatix | lbt: yeah | 01:06 |
| ||cw | if oyu use the phone once, they can triangulate you, continuously, but you gotta really piss someone off for them to go through that effort | 01:06 |
| lbt | 'throw away' | 01:06 |
| aquatix | lbt: it's tracable to the throw away number :) | 01:06 |
| ||cw | right, but then you have prints on it | 01:07 |
| lbt | so, you know the phone you find in the skip was used... | 01:07 |
| lbt | then what? | 01:07 |
| lbt | nothing | 01:07 |
| ||cw | and survalence cameras | 01:07 |
| lbt | untraceable | 01:07 |
| aquatix | dump it into the Thames | 01:07 |
| lbt | bwahahahaha | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | I place my call, use the credit, and stick the phone in the seat in a bus, that'll keep 'em busy | 01:07 |
| lbt | indeed | 01:07 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: using hand gloves | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | and with a mask and glasses so the CCTV doesn't spot me | 01:08 |
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| crashanddie | aquatix, obviously, if they're tracing a phone I bought 10 minutes ago, they know who I am | 01:08 |
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| crashanddie | and btw, how precise is cellphone tracking anyway ? | 01:09 |
| aquatix | depends | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | I mean, they use triangulation right ? There's always 3 towers covering my phone | 01:09 |
| lbt | not as good as GPS | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | so that gives them an area to search, at best | 01:09 |
| aquatix | `within 1700m' if i have to believe google maps on my phone ;) | 01:10 |
| aquatix | in cities it can be quite small | 01:10 |
| lbt | depends on how rural | 01:10 |
| aquatix | lots of towers | 01:10 |
| lardman | depends if you have access to the signal strengths from the non-owning towers I suppose | 01:10 |
| aquatix | s/towers/cells | 01:10 |
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| aquatix | that too | 01:10 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: what are you planning and how can i get in? ;) | 01:11 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, a helluva lot of work, just to trace a phone that just has been bought, and whose owner is basically non-identified | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | so I can fairly confirm what I said earlier, vodaphone pay as you talk phones: awesome | 01:11 |
| lbt | (if you're a criminal) | 01:12 |
| lbt | (otherwise just convenient) | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | I mean, for 30 quid, I'd buy something like that just to call my mistress, or if I do industrial espionage | 01:12 |
| lbt | good point | 01:12 |
| aquatix | lbt: or for someone who likes his privacy | 01:12 |
| lbt | where do I sign up | 01:12 |
| aquatix | that's the point: no sign up ;) | 01:12 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 01:12 |
| lbt | are you american? | 01:13 |
| aquatix | no, but i might be stupid | 01:13 |
| lbt | :D | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | you should apply for a green card then :D | 01:13 |
| * aquatix is comfortable where he is | 01:13 | |
| lbt | http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Response.aspx | 01:13 |
| lbt | ? | 01:13 |
| aquatix | besides, english is a second language for me and i'm dozing off | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | or, if you're having problems, I now a girl who's willing to marry for just under ten grand | 01:13 |
| lbt | pesos? | 01:14 |
| lbt | lira? | 01:14 |
| lardman | is that "I'm now" or "I know"? :D | 01:14 |
| lbt | this is irc | 01:14 |
| lbt | "I'm now" | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | s/I now/I know/ | 01:14 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: or, if you're having problems, I know a girl who's willing to marry for just under ten grand | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | it's because of the cockney accent | 01:14 |
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| lbt | told you he was a criminal | 01:14 |
| lardman | :) | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | we tend to say "know" as "now" | 01:14 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: is she hot? | 01:15 |
| lbt | for ten g she'd better be | 01:15 |
| * aquatix has some monopoly money left | 01:15 | |
| * lardman imagines crashanddie in a wig, hmm | 01:15 | |
| aquatix | eek | 01:15 |
| aquatix | hm | 01:15 |
| lbt | and you'd need at least 20 nights to get your money's worth | 01:15 |
| aquatix | reminds me i don't even know how to picture crashanddie without wig | 01:16 |
| aquatix | lbt: :D | 01:16 |
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| crashanddie | I'm troubled by having an IRC channel trying to picture me, with or without a wig | 01:16 |
| lbt | i shouldn't be typing this stuff mixed in with rebuilding initfs | 01:16 |
| lardman | anyway, the dspmp3 task can be used to decode audio without clobbering mplayer, but I guess that's less bandwidth and larger chunks too probably | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | lbt, where you from ? | 01:16 |
| lardman | crashanddie: me too, nightmares tonight for sure! | 01:17 |
| aquatix | lardman: stop being so on-topic | 01:17 |
| lbt | Reading now, Cheshire b4, | 01:17 |
| aquatix | lardman: heheheh | 01:17 |
| lardman | aquatix: soooorrry | 01:17 |
| aquatix | lardman: /me runs | 01:17 |
| aquatix | i need sleep | 01:17 |
| lardman | nah, don't worry :) | 01:17 |
| aquatix | otherwise i'll only polute $irc more | 01:17 |
| lardman | aquatix: :) night night then | 01:17 |
| aquatix | nn | 01:18 |
| lbt | yeah - I gotta go too | 01:18 |
| lbt | 'night all | 01:18 |
| lardman | night lbt | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | lol... | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | I was trying to find "Cheshire b4" on google maps | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | until I asked myself the question "why is he telling me he's reading at the moment ?" | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does anybody even bother to copyedit this stuff before publishing it? :\ | 01:19 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: copyediting irc? | 01:19 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: what's that? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 01:19 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Going through the development section. | 01:20 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i did that for one person for the maemo4 stuff | 01:20 |
| * aquatix has respect for GeneralAntilles, our quality control guy | 01:20 | |
| aquatix | and i don't yest | 01:20 |
| aquatix | jest | 01:20 |
| aquatix | whatever | 01:20 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: just wanting to say you rock for putting so much effort in the sites | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do what I can. ;) | 01:21 |
| * aquatix falls asleep on his keyboard | 01:21 | |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i guess it can be frustrating at times | 01:21 |
| aquatix | anyways, nn | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 01:22 |
| lardman | night GeneralAntilles | 01:22 |
| lardman | lol | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | @aquatix, lardman. :P | 01:22 |
| lardman | wrong end of the stick | 01:22 |
| aquatix | :) | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is less frustrating than Maemo Software | 01:22 |
| lardman | night mk2 aquatix | 01:22 |
| timelyx | but no, in general almost everyone here isn't a native speaker | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least there are maemo.org people at hand to accost. | 01:22 |
| aquatix | lardman: thanks | 01:23 |
| * aquatix finally gone | 01:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, it's not even that, really, but consistency in heading levels, capitalization, punctuation, etc. | 01:23 |
| timelyx | they don't spot those sorts of things either :( | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, this corrections list is getting a little long. | 01:24 |
| lardman | Right, my dsp task, while decoding stereo 16bit pcm data at 48000Hz, receives 512bytes of data 375 times per second and sends 78bytes of data 375 times per second | 01:24 |
| lardman | does anyone think that is alot? | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll break the bugs down into smaller groups. | 01:24 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: less chance of a sibling loosing the whole lot too ;) | 01:25 |
| lardman | s/loosing/losing | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doing it in a text editor this time. :D | 01:25 |
| lardman | the worst one is bloody online application forms, I spend ages, click send and it's timed out | 01:25 |
| lardman | I do every thing in a text editor now and paste it at the end | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | 375 ? | 01:26 |
| lardman | yeah, I think that works out? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | something doesn't add up | 01:27 |
| lardman | 48000 x 2 channels x 2 bytes/512 bytes = 375 bytes/second | 01:28 |
| lardman | scratch that | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | lol | 01:28 |
| lardman | 375 transfers/second | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | 192000 bytes/second | 01:28 |
| lardman | yep | 01:28 |
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| crashanddie | that's like what, 180kbytes/s | 01:29 |
| lardman | what's the average byterate for mp3s? | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | for PCM audio ? | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | 192kbit/s ? | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | so 24kbyte/s | 01:29 |
| lardman | is that the output, I'd like to know the input | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | ??? | 01:30 |
| lardman | I can work it out actually, 5Mb file is ~3min for example | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | mp3 can be anywhere between 64kbit/s and 320kbit/s | 01:30 |
| lardman | to compare with the dsp-mp3 task which doesn't seem to slow down video | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | but 192 is pretty decent | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | 192 is your average movie sound | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | 128 or 96 is your low-quality soundtrack | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | 192kbit/s = 24kbyte/s / 375 = 64bytes | 01:32 |
| lardman | yeah, so I'm almost an order of magnitude above that | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | lardman, so when you say you're sending out 78bytes at 375hz, you're around 234kbit/s, a bit higher and you're at 256 | 01:33 |
| lardman | yep | 01:33 |
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| lardman | I guess this may be a fundamental limitation of trying to pass so much data back and forth | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | probably | 01:34 |
| lardman | would be better to decode mp3 and then encode sbc on the dsp in one go | 01:34 |
| lardman | I'm just wondering how much more time to spend fiddling with the code in the hope I can stop the video slow-down | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | are you trying to do real time mp3 encoding from a PCM data source, or just playing mp3 ? | 01:34 |
| lardman | ah no, am doing sbc encoding from mp3 via libmad | 01:35 |
| lardman | for output to bt headphones | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | sbc encoding ? | 01:35 |
| lardman | the pcm data comes from libmad and crosses to the dsp | 01:35 |
| lardman | sbc is the codec for the BT headsets | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 38 corrections for http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ <_< | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | sub band coding or smart bitrate control ? | 01:36 |
| lardman | sub-band | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | k | 01:36 |
| lardman | low complexity sub band codec to give it its full name | 01:36 |
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| timelyx | andre____: ping | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | ok, so basically just removing the parts of the audio we don't need | 01:37 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:37 |
| andre____ | timelyx, pong | 01:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, have you got a britney filter and stuff in there? | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, no, but we're working on a northerner filter | 01:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: I steer clear of Britney, one mention and viruses are all you get | 01:38 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, if you watched the news yesterday you would know just how right you are | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | lol ? | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | What you talking about ? | 01:39 |
| lcuk | http://londonist.com/2008/08/northern_cities_doomed_says_unthink.php | 01:39 |
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| blafasel | crashanddie: Are you french? | 01:40 |
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| lardman | yeah, I heard that, raze them to the ground! | 01:41 |
| lcuk | on the face of it its true | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but it will just end up like other mega cities | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | blafasel, i've lived in France, why ? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | we need our heritage towns | 01:42 |
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| blafasel | crashanddie: Don't hit me. Over here it's called "plenken", i.e. it's uncommon to add spaces before question marks, etc. "Are you alright?" (no space). The french people have rules that explicitly ask for that spaces, so I was just curious ;) | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thatsalottacorrections https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3570 | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | blafasel, in fact, it's curious you would say that, I've always been corrected, here in France, for spacing my question marks | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | blafasel, they don't like it, at all, I just do, don't know why, some genetic shit, I guess | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spacing punctuation like that just pisses me off. | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | oh really ? | 01:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles simmers. | 01:46 | |
| blafasel | Hehe. Funny. | 01:47 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I've done enough harm here these days, 'night | 01:48 |
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| blafasel | I didn't plan to start a war on that. It's entirely uncommon (*cough*wrong*cough*) here (Germany), but it might be just the right thing to do elsewhere. So this was really just a question out of curiousity. I mean here are lots of different nationalities. | 01:49 |
| blafasel | Hmpf. | 01:49 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: wow | 01:50 |
| blafasel | For kicks and giggles and to see what I was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenk | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Bora page was probably hard-wrapped and got messed up when moved to midgard. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, should I wait until I get a response on the corrections for before starting on the next section or just plug ahead? | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/for/form/ | 01:52 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: So, should I wait until I get a response on the corrections form before starting on the next section or just plug ahead? | 01:52 |
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| lardman | bed time for me, see you chaps tomorrow | 01:59 |
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| teamcobra | hi all | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, Source and Tools done, too. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will work on more tomorrow. | 03:17 |
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| teamcobra | how hard would it be to get patched rtl8187 drivers compiled? | 03:19 |
| teamcobra | I've gotten programs to work, but haven't done any 8x0 kernel hacking | 03:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timely, "(requires a Mozilla browser like Mozilla Firefox)" that doesn't really seem correct, does it? (from bugzilla frontpage) | 04:18 |
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| befr0d_ | Gecko browser? | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Mozilla-based" is the recommended term, I believe. | 04:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a fun can of worms: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3575 | 04:37 |
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| brontide | at least it's categorized as an enhancement | 04:44 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | where the crap do i download diablo? | 04:51 |
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| befr0d_ | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 04:54 |
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| GAN800 | brontide, I changed the severity. ;) | 04:56 |
| GAN800 | magicrobotmonkey | 04:57 |
| GAN800 | ~flashing | 04:57 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:57 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ty | 04:57 |
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| teamcobra | my buddy (n800 owner) might sell his tower and buy an extra n810 ;) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can see it as a laptop replacement, but not a desktop replacement. | 05:02 |
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| teamcobra | he has another laptop though | 05:08 |
| teamcobra | for any heavy lifting | 05:08 |
| msh | brontide: sorry yeah, forgot to select enhancement | 05:09 |
| teamcobra | I just got him going w/ scratchbox today | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I couldn't imagine not having a desktop. | 05:09 |
| msh | though i wonder what would count as an actual "bug" for the ui spec... | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laptops are just crummy all around. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a particularly useful bug anyway. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is to move it on your own system and move on. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think most people agree that email is a form of communication. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | as is SIP | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, clearly, on a device that doesn't have a cellular connection all communication must take place over the internet. | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | We could also argue that Chat doesn't belong in communication either, as it also involves the internet. | 05:11 |
| msh | i can change it fine yeah. | 05:11 |
| brontide | If you move everything that uses TCP/IP to internet everything would be there | 05:11 |
| msh | just the whole categorisation seems a bit odd. | 05:12 |
| msh | it's not a phone i guess | 05:12 |
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| msh | and then there's the contacts icon which kind of duplicates the comms category too | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish e-mail would die already. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | This isn't the 30s | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't hyphenate random words. | 05:14 |
| msh | yeah | 05:14 |
| msh | i had to go and correct all my names typing that report ;) | 05:14 |
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| msh | guess it makes it obvious if you're referring to the app :) | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interesting things about the mobile device context is that applications usually get generic names | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather than being Firefox, Thunderbird, and Evolution | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Browser, E-mail and Contacts | 05:16 |
| brontide | Man if I were to file every inconsitantcy as a bug they would probably revoke my access | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least they seem to be moving in the right direction for Fremantle UI-wise. | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd much prefer MicroB and Modest myself. | 05:17 |
| brontide | I will believe it when I can buy it | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Develop a little branding. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, hopefully you wont have to. ;) | 05:17 |
| brontide | well... ok I'll believe it when it can be bought | 05:17 |
| brontide | ;-) | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll be interested to see how well it runs on OMAP2 | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering the leaps and bounds forward OMAP3 is in comparison. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and if they do keep it slim enough for OMAP2, how much the OMAP3 hardware will scream. | 05:18 |
| msh | 1is there anything public about fremantle yet apart from "it fixes lots"? | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | msh, not particularly | 05:18 |
| msh | *nod* | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm summarized what I know on wikipedia. | 05:18 |
| brontide | Its got to be interesting for Nokia to balance that... there is still huge gaps in what can be done vs what is being done, but OMAP3 will wipe a lot of the problems out without sweating | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Fremantle | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 terrifies me. | 05:19 |
| brontide | so why invest a lot of effort in OMAP3 | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ITOS is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS | 05:20 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 05:20 |
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| brontide | er OMPA2 | 05:20 |
| * brontide needs sleep | 05:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | On the subject of wikipedia, think you'll have any time to invest that direction anytime soon, brontide? | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The branding situation needs to be rectified over there. | 05:21 |
| brontide | That would assume I knew anything about branding at this point | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not particularly complicated | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | In fact, it's much, much simpler than it used to be | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The biggest issue is figuring out what to rename the Internet Tablet OS article to | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | since ITOS is deprecated in favor of "Maemo 4, Maemo 5, etc" | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, apparently, "Maemo OS" isn't valid. | 05:23 |
| brontide | Oy | 05:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So just calling it "Maemo" conflicts with the Maemo Software/SDK page. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's . . . irritating. | 05:24 |
| brontide | what about Maemo (Operating System) | 05:24 |
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| * GeneralAntilles facepalms. | 05:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That's perfect. . . . | 05:24 |
| brontide | then we can have a disambiguation page for maemo | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, uh, problem solved I suppose. | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just need to implement it | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and make sure all the maemo -> Maemo's are done. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and maybe clarify a bit about maemo.org | 05:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles may start on that tonight. | 05:25 | |
| brontide | Maemo (Operating System) | 05:26 |
| brontide | maemo.org | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo SDK | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo | 05:26 |
| brontide | maemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemomaemo | 05:26 |
| brontide | :-P | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo 'R' Us | 05:27 |
| brontide | Maemo (Trademark) | 05:27 |
| brontide | Maemo the flamethrower | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo the Poo | 05:27 |
| brontide | Maemo 2, the search for more developers | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo: Part Deuce | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo 2, Electric Boogaloo | 05:28 |
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| brontide | Mabye Nokia should share that LSD and Meth stash, we could fix all these problems in a few days | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've always wondered what they're smoking. | 05:29 |
| brontide | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21516&page=6 | 05:30 |
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| LaughingMan | and drinking, if the webcomics that claim there is a point where it benefits coding | 05:41 |
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| brontide | I though that was responsible for WinMe | 05:45 |
| LaughingMan | haha | 05:50 |
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| Mace_ | hi | 05:52 |
| Mace_ | anybody kow where i can find the deb for rdesktop for diablo | 05:52 |
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| Mace_ | Only rep that has it is a chinook rep | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use it. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook stuff is 99% compatible. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, wikipedia is largely updated. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I probably missed some stuff | 05:54 |
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| Mace_ | yeah but.. i'm trying to not add the chinookreps | 05:55 |
| Mace_ | i just want the deb ;) | 05:55 |
| Mace_ | maybe i can just browse it | 05:55 |
| Mace_ | and find it somewhere in there | 05:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Grab the deb then | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/ | 05:57 |
| Mace_ | hm | 06:00 |
| Mace_ | awesome... thanks | 06:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The sad thing about Table Scene is that a lot of the inaccuracies over there will go uncorrected | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | since very few of the active tablet people are actually participating. | 06:04 |
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| m_a_r_k | can someone direct me to the os2008 repository for gpe-calendar ? | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org+gpe-calendar+diablo&btnG=Search | 06:06 |
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| m_a_r_k | Thanks GeneralAntilles - That looks like install packages - I am looking for source code. I want to start working on making some improvements. | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sources for everything in Diablo Extras are in Diablo Extras. :\ | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gpe-calendar/ | 06:09 |
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| desrt | is there a tablet tech support channel? | 06:53 |
| * desrt is crashing on bootup and wants to avoid flashing | 06:54 | |
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| moontiger | can somebody tell me how to get sbox actually working? | 07:29 |
| moontiger | everytime i start the emulator i get a whole list of error messages saying that none of the home applets can be loadede | 07:29 |
| moontiger | and the hildon-home folder doesnt exist | 07:29 |
| moontiger | its reallt annoying | 07:29 |
| moontiger | reallt = really | 07:29 |
| moontiger | thnx | 07:30 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 07:56 |
| RST38h | moontiger: screw the sbox. Debug on real device. | 07:56 |
| moontiger | how do i do that? you mean xfer it and run it on the n810? | 07:57 |
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| GAN800 | moo, RST38h | 08:01 |
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| johnx_ | moontiger, those error messages are normal. Nokia doesn't include a lot of the stuff that ships on the device in scratchbox | 08:22 |
| moontiger | oh right ... great ... thnx johnx | 08:27 |
| moontiger | :) | 08:27 |
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| mouser-_ | I'm looking for the pidgin/telepathy plugin that blinks the LED on a new message. I used to have it but I can't find it in the diablo repositories. | 08:30 |
| GAN800 | site:http://repository.maemo.org/extras led pidgin | 08:31 |
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| ezham | hi guys. I want to ask this question on #esbox but seems deserted. I install esbox using the eclipse software update, it couldn't find the scratchbox build target, both 1 & 2. | 08:42 |
| ezham | playing around with workspace & installed path and still not working | 08:43 |
| ezham | using debian 4 & diablo. | 08:43 |
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| moontiger | has anyone seen khertan? | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yesterday | 08:59 |
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| timely | moontiger: use the mozilla vmware image :) | 09:01 |
| moontiger | timely ... nah ... its cool thnx ... i dont like vmware stuff ... too clunky | 09:02 |
| moontiger | can i ask a general python gtk question? | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, you catch my question in the scrollback? | 09:03 |
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| timely | GeneralAntilles: you don't like the Maemo Software product names? :( | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't like the generic ones. | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I _like_ MicroB, Modest, etc. | 09:08 |
| timely | yeah well... | 09:09 |
| timely | do you understand my reasons for picking generics? | 09:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 09:09 |
| timely | if the various things actually grow big enough to merit their own products, they're welcome to pick real names | 09:10 |
| timely | but that of course means someone needs a decent guided page that helps people figure out app code names | 09:10 |
| timely | hopefully we can upgrade to a bugzilla which supports icons for products | 09:10 |
| timely | which would let us assign a globe or a microb logo to the browser/microb product | 09:11 |
| timely | etc. | 09:11 |
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| timely | so are bugzilla classifications public for the world? | 09:12 |
| timely | or are we waiting for andre__? | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not yet. | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe they are | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really sure at the moment. | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't _think_ they are | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waiting on guenther to finish up the templates. . . . | 09:12 |
| timely | it's too much work for me to check | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Add to Sidebar (requires a Mozilla browser like Mozilla Firefox)" | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ that seems wrong. | 09:12 |
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| timely | well um | 09:13 |
| timely | what;s wrong w/ it? other than the fact that it doesn't work in microb (which is arguably a bug) | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems marginally awkward and redundant. | 09:13 |
| timely | i think our motto is "the web with no excuses" | 09:13 |
| timely | and that's part of the web | 09:13 |
| timely | well... if you can suggest something better, file a bug in bmo (the real one) :) | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "(requires Firefox 2 or Internet Explorer 7)" | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the Mozilla one. | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNOME doesn't seem to mention it. | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, guess it's fine. | 09:17 |
| timely | http://mxr.mozilla.org/bugzilla/search?string=to+sidebar | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | mxr looks nice with the new favicon | 09:17 |
| * timely nods | 09:17 | |
| timely | maemo.org looks ugly w/ the wrong favicon | 09:18 |
| timely | is there a bug to fix it? | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, was just about to file one. | 09:18 |
| timely | (they should just use mine) | 09:18 |
| timely | note that hires favicons do have benefits | 09:18 |
| timely | ctrl-tab in firefox3.1 will show you a hires icon w/ skew | 09:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any objections to me filing a single bug for all services? | 09:19 |
| timely | it's just maemo.org:website, right? | 09:20 |
| timely | oh | 09:20 |
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| timely | err.. file a bug in website and then list all the things that need to be fixed | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, bugzilla, wiki, maemo.org, garage, and downloads are technically separate. | 09:20 |
| timely | if someone doesn't fix them all, file bugs against the stragglers later | 09:20 |
| timely | note that there is some benefit to distinct icons for various services | 09:21 |
| timely | mozilla.org stopped using just the dino head for *.mozilla.org recently | 09:21 |
| timely | planet seems to have standard dino, but bugzilla and mxr get big bug/big binocs w/ small dino | 09:22 |
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| timely | (it helps if you want to find some tab) | 09:23 |
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| * timely sighs | 09:23 | |
| * timely hates end users | 09:23 | |
| timely | we say "what shows up in about:crashes" | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3578 | 09:24 |
| timely | they instead write a long tirade saying that various things seem to cause crashes on their random computer | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 09:24 |
| timely | fwiw, i basically just "made" the favicon, it was listed in the brand page | 09:24 |
| timely | but it wasn't actually available in a consumable form | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary may or may not have something better. | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should probably cc one of the indt guys on that one. | 09:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles checks if handful has an account. | 09:25 | |
| timely | i showed you how to do searches w/o editusers, right? | 09:26 |
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| timely | (of course, iirc i gave you editusers, which means you don't need to...) | 09:26 |
| timely | hi _al_ | 09:26 |
| timely | hi _marcell_ | 09:26 |
| _marcell_ | hi timely | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the CC field thing, right? | 09:27 |
| timely | yep | 09:27 |
| timely | wanna fix GeneralAntilles's pet bug? :) | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, he doesn't seem to have an account. | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, sorry about the corrections bug spam. :) | 09:28 |
| _marcell_ | no probelm | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it just me, or did the announcements and news on the front page suddenly get REALLY old? | 09:29 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: it'll be a great day when you actually have to worry about spamming people from bugs.maemo | 09:29 |
| timely | it's from the 8th and 10th | 09:29 |
| timely | we're on the 14th.. | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 09:29 |
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| _marcell_ | there are some issues with the site. rss feed aggregation seems to be broken, new users are not synced from garage to maemo.org... plenty of things to fill my day. :) | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was all from June there for a minute. | 09:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles should pull a Cartman and freeze himself until the server upgrades are done. | 09:31 | |
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| moontiger | now its *really* borked :| | 09:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you want an icon for rootsh? | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, That would be nice, thank you. I'd just have to see if replacing my ssh keys will work. | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 26x26 isn't much to work with, but I was thinking a tablet showing a black screen with a big white # might work. | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, that sounds great, go for it please. | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll see if I feel up to it on one of my computers here, if not, 2 weeks until I get back to school and a real machine. | 10:03 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, no problems. | 10:03 |
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| * qwerty12 has 2 weeks before I'm back off to school | 10:03 | |
| teamcobra | qwerty12, nice work on android-installer. btw :) | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | teamcobra, the installer is penguinbait's :) | 10:04 |
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| teamcobra | meh, I'm 6 sheets -> wind, it's 3am ;) I stand corrected | 10:04 |
| moontiger | teamcobra: 3am? where are you? | 10:08 |
| teamcobra | Indiana, US | 10:09 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhh of course ... the other way to what i was thinking | 10:09 |
| moontiger | heh | 10:09 |
| teamcobra | heh, Canadian Club and tom collins night ;) | 10:11 |
| moontiger | sounds good :) | 10:11 |
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| moontiger | i have to get some sleep ... teaching again tomorrow ... nn all :) | 10:12 |
| teamcobra | night moontiger :) | 10:13 |
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| * rm_you is back, now Texas style. | 10:44 | |
| * qwerty12 says hello London style. With a gun. :P | 10:44 | |
| rm_you | I thought everyone just used knives in the UK :P | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | True, it depends on my mood :D | 10:45 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, your package was causing some weirdness with SSU, I recommend a more unique nam | 10:48 |
| GAN800 | e | 10:48 |
| rm_you | rofl? | 10:49 |
| rm_you | srsly? | 10:49 |
| rm_you | did they take my package name? | 10:49 |
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| GAN800 | Some people installed it accidentally, I think | 10:50 |
| GAN800 | But it's not clear enough that it's something else. | 10:51 |
| liri | is the emulator on scratchbox able to simulate icons on the system tray? | 10:54 |
| RST38h | who knows? who cares? | 10:54 |
| liri | because I want to put up a small program which sits there and it'd be easier to test it on scratchbox | 10:55 |
| timeless | scratchbox emulates everything that isn't kernel/audio | 10:57 |
| timeless | the default sdk includes an icon in the tray | 10:57 |
| timeless | (i include flash in audio..) | 10:57 |
| liri | odd as I don't see it (I'm using the maemo vmware sdk) | 10:57 |
| RST38h | scratchbox can't even emulate the open-file dialog | 10:57 |
| liri | heh | 10:57 |
| RST38h | so I wouldn't rely on it too much | 10:58 |
| liri | is there a sample code (C/GTK+) for that system tray icon? | 10:58 |
| RST38h | liri: A moment | 10:58 |
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| liri | RST38h: thanks | 10:59 |
| RST38h | https://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html | 11:00 |
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| rm_you| | GAN800: ah yes, really what needs to happen is I need to update it with the new versions of osso-software-version-rx##-unlocked | 11:02 |
| wzhou | hi there, N810 on screen keyboard did not come out, when I double click the screen in Notes, what's happeN? | 11:02 |
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| lcuk | wzhou, for the 810 you need to look UNDERNEATH the screen and you will find a little slider area - if you slide it out you will discover an off screen keyboard | 11:05 |
| * terbo hugs the off screen keyboard | 11:05 | |
| befr0d_ | I believe he wants to use the screen thumb keyboard :P | 11:06 |
| terbo | lcuk, what package do i install to get the off screen keyboard on my N800? | 11:06 |
| befr0d_ | wzhou, check Control Panel -> Text Input settings -> On Screen tab | 11:06 |
| wzhou | lcuk: I just saw the 'abc' bar, no full kbd layout | 11:09 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: yes, i see the tab, how to set? | 11:09 |
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| befr0d_ | wzhou, what is your current value for 'Launch finger keyboard:' ? | 11:10 |
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| befr0d_ | wzhou, by the way, do you want to use the 'full screen' finger keyboard, or the stylus keyboard? | 11:10 |
| liri | I think maemo's registration process is all weird | 11:11 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: with finger | 11:11 |
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| wzhou | befr0d_: what is the stylus keyboard? half size of the full screen? | 11:11 |
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| befr0d_ | uhm like 40% | 11:12 |
| befr0d_ | 30% maybe | 11:12 |
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| wzhou | befr0d_: ok, let's see the stylus first, ok? | 11:13 |
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| liri | RST38h: are you sure about that link? I'm unable to access it | 11:13 |
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| befr0d_ | wzhou, enable the first check box on that tab | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | liri, if you have the file Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf, the same content is in that too | 11:16 |
| liri | uhmm, let me see | 11:17 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: the same | 11:17 |
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| wzhou | befr0d_: only 'abc' bar, no stulys kbd | 11:17 |
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| befr0d_ | meh, am I the only one that believe I should not need to tap 'save' twice to receive a file through bluetooth? | 11:17 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: need i reboot the tablet? | 11:17 |
| befr0d_ | wzhou, do you have the built in keyboard open? | 11:18 |
| liri | well I did find this https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/tags/maemo_4.1/ which seems to be a handful of useful examples, I'll go through it | 11:18 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: not sure, how to check it? | 11:18 |
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| befr0d_ | wzhou, can you see the Keyboard? | 11:18 |
| liri | anyway I meant the icon in the system tray as in where the battery icon is, not where the contacts/applications | 11:18 |
| befr0d_ | I mean, the Hardware keyboard | 11:18 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: yes, does it affair? | 11:19 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: oh, god, you save me | 11:19 |
| befr0d_ | wzhou, yes, it needs to be closed for the onscreen keyboard to appear | 11:19 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: really thanks for your kindness:) | 11:20 |
| befr0d_ | no problem. | 11:20 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: ^O^ | 11:20 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: another more question, i can use the full screen kbd now, how to use the stylus one? | 11:22 |
| befr0d_ | Control Panel -> Text Input settings -> On Screen | 11:23 |
| befr0d_ | Enable the first check box | 11:23 |
| befr0d_ | and use the stylus to tap on the input area | 11:23 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: yes! | 11:24 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: I checked the 'Enabled stylus input methods', then chose the 'Launch finger keyboard' -> 'With finger', it's ok now | 11:25 |
| befr0d_ | yea, it's supposed to detect if you tapped with a finger or the stylus, and brings the appropriate screen kbd | 11:26 |
| wzhou | befr0d_: oh, i see, 'full screen kbd' is called 'finger kbd', 'stylus screen kbd' is called 'stylus screen kbd', aha | 11:28 |
| befr0d_ | yep | 11:29 |
| GAN800 | vkb, actually | 11:29 |
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| Roman__ | hi | 11:34 |
| Roman__ | everybody | 11:34 |
| Roman__ | :) | 11:34 |
| Roman__ | i have a question about the maemo vncviewer and if you can help me it will be great | 11:35 |
| befr0d_ | hi | 11:35 |
| Roman__ | i want to run vncviewer on ARM linux platform i.MX31 | 11:36 |
| Roman__ | is it possible can you tell me | 11:36 |
| Roman__ | i have linux 2.6.22 | 11:36 |
| Roman__ | arm-linux-gcc | 11:36 |
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| befr0d_ | have you tried to compile realvnc's source code? | 11:37 |
| * GAN800 loves it wheb two short presses on esc are interpreted as a long press. | 11:39 | |
| RST38h | Roman: It is possible. | 11:41 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:44 |
| * Khertan is thinking of integrating a bug report to his mCalendar and mContacts applications | 11:44 | |
| Roman__ | RST38h, can you tell me which i the better choice, to take the maemo vncviewer or to take realvnc's ? | 11:45 |
| Roman__ | or if someone can give me advise which is better choice | 11:45 |
| aquatix | good morning all | 11:46 |
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| Khertan | hi aquatix | 11:47 |
| befr0d_ | maemo's vncviewer uses hidon, which is not standard | 11:47 |
| befr0d_ | I mean, It probably is not installed on your box.. | 11:48 |
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| Roman__ | no i have only X11 Qtopia | 11:48 |
| befr0d_ | s/hidon/hildon/ | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | Roman: Take RealVNC | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | Talking about vnc clients, fbvnc doesn't agree with the N800... | 11:50 |
| Roman__ | hm.. | 11:50 |
| Roman__ | okey i will see RealVNC | 11:50 |
| Roman__ | i have another question | 11:51 |
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| Roman__ | can i run maemo browser on ARM and is it have flash support ? | 11:51 |
| GAN800 | Not legally | 11:52 |
| GAN800 | and probably not at all, really. | 11:52 |
| befr0d_ | You can use gnash | 11:52 |
| befr0d_ | :P | 11:52 |
| Roman__ | the problem is that i need web browser+flash support. I ported arora but don't have flash support. | 11:53 |
| Roman__ | befr0d, what is gnash | 11:54 |
| befr0d_ | www.google.com/search?q=gnash | 11:54 |
| Roman__ | GAN800, why not legally :) | 11:54 |
| GAN800 | 11:54 | |
| infobot | somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ | 11:54 |
| GAN800 | Because Flash is only being licensed for Nokia tablets | 11:54 |
| GAN800 | and what you're working with is clearly not a Nokia device | 11:55 |
| Roman__ | hm... | 11:59 |
| Roman__ | but the problem is that i don't know can firefox run on arm | 12:00 |
| GAN800 | Firefox can | 12:00 |
| befr0d_ | you know, its not the browser the one that will give you automatic flash support | 12:01 |
| XTL | Flash is mob software. You want to use it, you pay. One way or another. | 12:02 |
| Roman__ | is this mean that if i want to link arora with gnash i don't need to recompile arora with somespecific options | 12:03 |
| befr0d_ | you need a browser with plugin support | 12:04 |
| befr0d_ | according to arora home page, it does not have it http://code.google.com/p/arora/ | 12:05 |
| XTL | "When compiled against WebKit trunk you get support for netscape plugins, including flash and youtube" | 12:07 |
| XTL | (screenshots page) | 12:07 |
| befr0d_ | :) | 12:08 |
| Roman__ | :) | 12:08 |
| Roman__ | cery funny ;) | 12:08 |
| Roman__ | very | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'm failing to see the joke. | 12:08 |
| befr0d_ | lol | 12:09 |
| Roman__ | i mean it is cool that i can link arora and gnash | 12:09 |
| Roman__ | that's why i said "very funny" | 12:09 |
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| Roman__ | the english is not my strong side | 12:09 |
| Roman__ | :) | 12:09 |
| XTL | :) | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :) | 12:09 |
| befr0d_ | although, 'youtube' its not a different plugin :P | 12:12 |
| tuukkah | there was some news that devices don't need a licence for flash anymore | 12:14 |
| glass_ | which devices and for which flash | 12:16 |
| glass_ | theres some license involved for sure | 12:16 |
| glass_ | but maybe not money per device sold involved | 12:17 |
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| glass_ | flash lite used to be something like 10 bucks | 12:17 |
| liri | are the following libraries available for the tablet? pygame, wxpython and libsdl? | 12:18 |
| XTL | sdl at least | 12:18 |
| befr0d_ | pygame too | 12:19 |
| XTL | yes | 12:19 |
| liri | so sdl and pygame are available | 12:19 |
| befr0d_ | wxpython maybe | 12:19 |
| XTL | wx might be somewhere | 12:19 |
| befr0d_ | I remember some screenshots of somebody porting it | 12:19 |
| liri | here's a nice addon to the tablets: http://www.kibosh.org/pykaraoke/ | 12:20 |
| befr0d_ | http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/18 | 12:21 |
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| tuukkah | here's the press release: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200804/050108AdobeOSP.html | 12:30 |
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| liri | ugh | 12:36 |
| liri | pygame is installed on scratchbox but still pykaraoke can't find it | 12:37 |
| befr0d_ | try | 12:37 |
| befr0d_ | python2.5 pykaraoke.py | 12:37 |
| liri | the same | 12:38 |
| liri | I'm running an updatedb there to locate where it's placed, maybe it's just not in the same locations where it's looking for it | 12:38 |
| befr0d_ | let me try it here | 12:40 |
| befr0d_ | oh, new sf.net design | 12:41 |
| befr0d_ | shiny | 12:41 |
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| samppa | hey, is it somehow possible to move my whole svn server to garage svn ? | 12:41 |
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| liri | shiny indeed | 12:43 |
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| XTL | Hm. I think it's the old new sf still. | 12:44 |
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| atka_ | hi | 12:44 |
| XTL | Openid logins, though | 12:44 |
| atka_ | i'm lost a link :$ | 12:44 |
| atka_ | where can i download os2008he? :$ | 12:45 |
| befr0d_ | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 12:46 |
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| liri | oh leet, looks like it's working :) | 12:47 |
| befr0d_ | liri, where did you get wxpython from? | 12:47 |
| liri | it does complain about the pygame but it works, although I think it's only after I installed python2.5-dev (though dpkg had some problems with it) | 12:47 |
| liri | befr0d_: I didn't | 12:47 |
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| liri | befr0d_: the pykaraoke_mini which is just the player doesn't need wxpython | 12:48 |
| befr0d_ | ah I see | 12:48 |
| liri | befr0d_: the pykaraoke frontend gui needs it for drawing the windows of the playlist etc | 12:48 |
| liri | befr0d_: but it's interesting to realize what made it work... grab the package and try running it too if you will | 12:48 |
| befr0d_ | yep | 12:49 |
| befr0d_ | those 2 warnings on pygame appear also with pyano | 12:49 |
| befr0d_ | so I believe its 'normal' | 12:49 |
| atka_ | befr0d, thanx, i lost an "s" ^^ | 12:52 |
| liri | befr0d_: so pykaraoke_mini is running without any additional installs? | 12:52 |
| nomis | mhm, updated busybox. | 12:53 |
| nomis | what is andre's nick? | 12:53 |
| befr0d_ | andre__ | 12:54 |
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| atka_ | tablets-dev.nokia.com is very slow.. :( | 12:54 |
| nomis | andre__: I want to suggest the inclusion of the "wget" applet in busybox - should I file a bug? | 12:54 |
| befr0d_ | liri, yep, did you figure out how to add songs? | 12:56 |
| nomis | Mhm, it probably won't stand the "features that are needed by normal users" test as described by eero. | 12:56 |
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| liri | befr0d_: yep, adding songs is easy | 12:57 |
| liri | befr0d_: you need to tell it to scan a dir, like: ./pykaraoke_mini --add-scan-dir=/opt/kar --scan | 12:58 |
| liri | befr0d_: I can send over a sample .kar (karaoke) file which I found on the net | 12:58 |
| liri | befr0d_: but there is another problem, it requires a midi device, I mimic it on my desktop with timidity so we need to install that also on the tablet | 12:58 |
| befr0d_ | oh | 12:59 |
| liri | befr0d_: I'm going to launch | 13:01 |
| liri | befr0d_: seems like timidity is also available here: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=141 | 13:01 |
| liri | befr0d_: keep me updated if you get it running | 13:02 |
| liri | oh, no /dev/dsp because I'm on scratchbox and it doesn't emulate it | 13:05 |
| liri | yuck | 13:05 |
| liri | well befr0d, it's up to you now to test it :) | 13:06 |
| XTL | timidity can be pretty heavy iirc | 13:06 |
| XTL | I wonder if the tablet can sanely do it in realtime | 13:06 |
| befr0d_ | I'm checking timidity | 13:07 |
| befr0d_ | it seems to be on extras-devel for chinook | 13:07 |
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| rmrfchik | can anyone with latest update (30-2) paste "apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44" | 13:13 |
| XTL | "Nothing special." :-D | 13:19 |
| * terbo would love to .. but for some reason my system won't update | 13:21 | |
| sp3000 | osso-software-version-rx44: Asennettu: 1:4.2008.30-2 Ehdokas: 1:4.2008.30-2 Versiotaulukko: *** 1:4.2008.30-2 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 13:21 |
| XTL | I have a matching -unlocked | 13:22 |
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| befr0d_ | yay, 15 years of freedom | 13:24 |
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| _julian__ | hi | 13:44 |
| _julian__ | I just try to flash my n800 to the diablo image, but when I run the flasher and power up the device by pressing home+power I only get: | 13:45 |
| _julian__ | http://paste.biz/paste-3314.html | 13:45 |
| _julian__ | then the flasher exits | 13:45 |
| _julian__ | any ideas what might cause that? | 13:45 |
| lbt | does dmesg show the usb0 port | 13:46 |
| _julian__ | [350264.021693] usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 20 | 13:47 |
| _julian__ | [350264.218005] usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice | 13:47 |
| _julian__ | that is what is printed on connect in dmesg | 13:47 |
| lbt | try: modprobe usbserial | 13:47 |
| sp3000 | before looking i'll guess you're missing something from the command line | 13:47 |
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| sp3000 | after looking I agree with thatt guess :) | 13:48 |
| lbt | no - dmesg should say : usb 5-1: cp2101 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 | 13:48 |
| lbt | _julian__: do you roll your own kernel? | 13:49 |
| _julian__ | lbt: no, running a stock ubuntu kernel. | 13:49 |
| _julian__ | cp2101 is available as module | 13:49 |
| sp3000 | _julian__: the flasher is silly, it doesn't tell you your arguments are bad | 13:49 |
| lbt | modprobe cp2101 too then | 13:50 |
| _julian__ | ahhh, thanks sp3000 missed the -F | 13:50 |
| _julian__ | yup, flashing now | 13:50 |
| sp3000 | quite common, that :) | 13:51 |
| lbt | yeah - I just saw Suitable USB device not found | 13:51 |
| _julian__ | ok, worked now. (c: | 13:52 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, it says that and then waits for one to appear | 13:54 |
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| toma | hi, can i execute jar files on my n810, if so what do i need to install ? | 13:56 |
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| roadies | Ok please dont shot me, but has anyone gotten the scratchbox development environment to work under Fedora? particularly the "af-sb-init.sh start" command to work, Xephyr works and the Hello World program work? | 14:01 |
| XTL | I think someone's tried that. | 14:04 |
| XTL | Any specific error? | 14:05 |
| rmrfchik | sp3000: can u paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 14:06 |
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| Khertan | toma: no java vm | 14:11 |
| toma | Khertan: oki, too bad, thanks | 14:12 |
| XTL | too good | 14:13 |
| lardman | does anyone know of a selection of avis of various small dimensions? | 14:14 |
| roadies | XTL: lots of errors most I think dealing with remote displaying | 14:15 |
| lardman | or shall I just convert some? | 14:15 |
| toma | XTL: there is route navigation software in a jar, that would be good competition for Wayfinder | 14:15 |
| roadies | XTL: my first gut reaction is the af-sb-init.sh is the problem and was wondering if someone had solved it | 14:16 |
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| XTL | roadies: Have you got anything to display on the Xephr from sb? | 14:17 |
| XTL | Or xlsclients, xdpyinfo or such to work | 14:17 |
| roadies | yes, the GUI version of the Hello World tutorial program works fine | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | Khertan/toma: the Jalimo project is making good headway with making Java usable; and is already at the point of running Java apps not that slowly with auto-Hildonisation of SWT GUIs. | 14:23 |
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| lbt | spooky : http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/218052/government-proposes-internet-tracking.html | 14:26 |
| lbt | Another example was given in which a UK citizen had been talking in an internet chatroom about self-harming, when local police tracked down his address via his IP number and ISP and intervened to save him. | 14:26 |
| lbt | Ouch - that hurts | 14:26 |
| lbt | ... | 14:26 |
| lbt | ... | 14:26 |
| lbt | hold on - someone at the door... bbl | 14:27 |
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| andre__ | nomis, i'd rather suggest to include it in upstream busybox and file a bug over there | 14:42 |
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| roadies | what is the command line to select a target envir in scratchbox... all I recall is "select DIABLO_X86" but more is needed...thanks | 15:06 |
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| eichi_ | hello | 15:11 |
| eichi_ | some news about the maemo update and dual boot? | 15:11 |
| eichi_ | i dont want to have problems every time i update maemo with my system | 15:12 |
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| Blastur | hey.. anyone know why i get like ~4 MB/s when writing to my mem card via Linux, and only ~1 MB/s in Windows? | 15:15 |
| Blastur | over USB that is.. | 15:15 |
| Blastur | takes forever to transfer stuff | 15:15 |
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| timeless | gan: so, amusing not | 15:23 |
| timeless | e | 15:24 |
| timeless | the flash thing is actually a bug | 15:24 |
| timeless | and it's easily fixable | 15:24 |
| timeless | i'll post a package shortly | 15:24 |
| XTL | Blastur: same reader, or nit as reader? | 15:25 |
| XTL | Both hosts have and support same usb version? | 15:25 |
| lbt | eichi_: it's a pain :) | 15:26 |
| lbt | I'm working through it at the moment... | 15:26 |
| eichi_ | lbt, thanks | 15:26 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting would be a good place to document solutions... | 15:26 |
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| pvanhoof | Howcome when I run my app with run-standalone.sh that my GtkButton's images are gone? | 15:28 |
| Khertan | pupnik_: are u here ? | 15:29 |
| Khertan | pvanhoof: gtk theme on maemo specify gtk-image-button = no | 15:29 |
| Khertan | if you want image button to come back just fix that with a gtk.settings_get_default().set_long_property("gtk-button-images",1,"") | 15:31 |
| pvanhoof | aha ok | 15:31 |
| pvanhoof | that's in vala already, cool | 15:31 |
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| nomis | andre__: there is a wget applet in busybox. It just needs to be configured in. | 15:32 |
| pvanhoof | Oh no it isn't | 15:32 |
| Khertan | no is python | 15:33 |
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| Khertan | s/is/it s | 15:33 |
| andre__ | nomis, ah okay. file an enhancement request then, we can evaluate that for fremantle | 15:34 |
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| baaba | can i really only use the exact addresses 192.168.2.14 and .15 for usb networking? | 15:36 |
| baaba | or is that just an arbitrary choice for documentation | 15:36 |
| XTL | Sounds like it | 15:38 |
| XTL | 192.168.*/24 type ranges | 15:38 |
| XTL | Could be a default of some sort, of course. | 15:38 |
| timeless | anyone here use facebook? | 15:39 |
| timeless | i need some testing | 15:39 |
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| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb | 15:40 |
| baaba | well mostly i'm concerned since i'm planning to have multiple devices in the same network through usb networking | 15:40 |
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| baaba | and being forced to use the pre-specified addresses sounds absurd but then the reference for diablo has the wording "has to be 192.168.2.14" | 15:40 |
| Khertan | timeless: sorry ... :) just create a account ... and forgot it 2 minutes later :) | 15:40 |
| Khertan | s/just/i ve just | 15:41 |
| timeless | anyway, please try that | 15:42 |
| timeless | it should work | 15:42 |
| timeless | i'm not 100% certain about the uninstall behavior | 15:42 |
| timeless | can someone please check me on that? | 15:42 |
| timeless | the package is open source (i.e. you're free to read it) | 15:42 |
| timeless | fwiw, it is correct, we checked | 15:42 |
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| timeless | khertan: so, test test? :) | 15:48 |
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| andre__ | timeless: so, proposal is to have a 4.1.1 version and milestone (corresponding to 4.2008.30-2) and always using '4.1+' for any potential later updates for diablo, right? | 15:51 |
| timeless | yep | 15:51 |
| timeless | i think you might need a 4.1.2, i've kinda lost track of how many releases we've actually made :) | 15:52 |
| timeless | you'll have to check some web site to figure that out | 15:52 |
| timeless | oh, hopefully the target milestone link can tell you :) | 15:52 |
| andre__ | yeah, i liked that one. thanks for that :) | 15:52 |
| andre__ | though that page now needs an update for the ssu update | 15:53 |
| timeless | yep | 15:53 |
| timeless | "not my fault" | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, did you see this http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/13/1857241 :) made me smile. | 16:10 |
| * lcuk runs back to work | 16:10 | |
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| _marcell_ | maemo.org should be more stable now. Thanks to Bergie. | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | dneary: excellent post on why a barrier to entry is a good thing | 16:13 |
| bergie | _marcell_ actually, when I heard from Ferenc that the servers had moved... | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I did :-) | 16:13 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Thanks | 16:13 |
| * rmrfchik still can't upgrade to 30-2... please, paste default /etc/sources.list.d/* | 16:13 | |
| _marcell_ | bergie: still, Niels and I had taken a look and could not figure it out... | 16:14 |
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| baaba | erf, how do i go into normal mode in vi on an n810 :P | 17:05 |
| baaba | ah right nevermind, i'm kind of blind | 17:06 |
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| pupnik_ | back Khertan | 17:36 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:36 |
| Khertan | bye | 17:38 |
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| RST38h | he he he hehe | 18:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m back | 18:07 |
| aquatix | shush all! | 18:07 |
| liri | I'll bug you again about the system tray icon example with a C/GTK code | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | liri <-- habitual bugger =) | 18:09 |
| liri | definitely | 18:10 |
| RST38h | btw, I have once created a clean project for the applet | 18:10 |
| RST38h | qwerty12 was going to use it for porting Conky | 18:10 |
| RST38h | I still have the project. Do you want it? | 18:10 |
| liri | well I'm in a need for doing 2 apps | 18:10 |
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| liri | I need a custom language switch for the n810 hw keyboard | 18:10 |
| * qwerty12 is a stupid shit when it comes to programming | 18:10 | |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know gdata.contacts ? | 18:10 |
| liri | and I want a quick access applet for showing IP address and such | 18:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | liri > use homeip | 18:11 |
| roadies | XTL, you still around | 18:11 |
| RST38h | liri: Well, I can't write applets for you but I can give you a clean starting point project | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Will need your email address for that | 18:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | you can also write home applet in python :) | 18:12 |
| liri | I want my own :) | 18:14 |
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| liri | RST38h: yep, I want that project if you can email it or something | 18:16 |
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| liri | RST38h: my email: liran.tal@gmail.com | 18:17 |
| liri | RST38h: thanks | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, interesting comment in http://dot.kde.org/1218543988/ about the Mozilla Qt port: "going to make Maemo use Qt in the future and we were making a browser bsaed on Mozilla for the N810, so now we are making this new browser version based on Qt". If Qt's an equal partner with Gtk, why spend the extra effort? Or is it a sign that Qt is going to become the favoured UI toolkit | 18:28 |
| florian | Jaffa: quite likely, yes... :-( | 18:29 |
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| lardman | why likely? | 18:34 |
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| lardman | as someone who doesn't keep up with the battle of KDE vs Gnome | 18:35 |
| florian | lardman: They own Qt now... and there are a lot more c++ coders inside Nokia that C and Python coders. Just keep in mind that Symbian is C++. | 18:36 |
| lardman | yeah, good point | 18:36 |
| lardman | Symbian is weird C++ though | 18:36 |
| florian | yeah... its a big example what weird things you can do with C++ ;) | 18:37 |
| lardman | :) | 18:37 |
| manyoso | i wouldn't put too much into that | 18:38 |
| lardman | on the page above, there's this Q&A: Do you think Mozilla will get rid of GTK? No, Mozilla will support officially only the ports they have a particular interest in. If it helps to expand their market they will be more interested. | 18:38 |
| manyoso | anyways, does anyone have any good experience with the XSP X11 extension for getting pressure information? | 18:38 |
| lardman | does that make sense to anyone? | 18:38 |
| lardman | manyoso: page on the wiki? | 18:38 |
| manyoso | What I've found is that enabling the XSP extension makes it so I never get any MotionNotify events | 18:39 |
| manyoso | how do I enable it so that I am delivered both raw touchscreen events along with regular old MotionNotify events?? | 18:39 |
| lardman | dunno, but look at the souce and I'm sure you'll find out | 18:39 |
| manyoso | not sure where the source is for this | 18:40 |
| manyoso | i know where the headers are, but for libxsp0 itself... i'm not sure | 18:40 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libxsp/ | 18:41 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m back ... again | 18:54 |
| lardman | lol | 18:54 |
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| lardman | ~lart alloca() | 19:27 |
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| qwerty12 | infobot: lame | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Can you teach infobot with your own ~larts? | 19:29 |
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| arachnist | ~lart batteries | 19:31 |
| * infobot shoves a crumpet down batteries's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? | 19:31 | |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse fruit | 19:34 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fruit ! | 19:34 |
| * moontiger lurks | 19:35 | |
| qwerty12 | Infobot is dirty. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | "<infobot> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"" | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | That website is a porno. | 19:35 |
| befr0d_ | ~x | 19:36 |
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| infobot | WARNING: qwerty12 has forced me to CTCP VERSION the channel! | 19:40 |
| infobot | VERSION | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | oops | 19:40 |
| befr0d_ | lol | 19:40 |
| befr0d_ | ~x en de your cars rock | 19:40 |
| infobot | Ihr Autofelsen | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | I run now | 19:40 |
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| CptLaptop | wtf is ctcp? | 19:40 |
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| Veggen | client-to-client-protocol. | 19:41 |
| tank-man | irc command | 19:41 |
| Veggen | A standardised way to send special messages/enquiries between clients. | 19:41 |
| CptLaptop | stil ldoesnt tell me shit | 19:41 |
| CptLaptop | :p | 19:41 |
| Veggen | A "CTCP VERSION" request, for example, asks your client what version you are using. | 19:42 |
| tank-man | get a dictionary? :) its a method for communitcation | 19:42 |
| Veggen | A "CTCP TIME" asks what time it thinks it is. | 19:42 |
| tank-man | dec 31, 1999, 11:59 | 19:43 |
| tank-man | :) | 19:43 |
| Veggen | btw, I invented CTCP TIME, once upon a time. I just wanted to look at how ircII source code was built. | 19:43 |
| Veggen | And ended up sending the patch to the maintainer, who included it. | 19:43 |
| CptLaptop | seriousely? | 19:44 |
| Veggen | yah. | 19:44 |
| CptLaptop | nice :d | 19:44 |
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| Veggen | Didn't invent the CTCP protocol, though. I just wanted to study how it worked ;) | 19:44 |
| CptLaptop | invent me a way to do .ics -> activesync | 19:45 |
| manyoso | For those of you convinced that Mozilla is going to stay on N8xx series have a look at this: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2008-August/004629.html | 19:45 |
| manyoso | pay special attention to the architecture diagram and you'll see that next version of Internet Tablet is likely to have some very cool new hardware | 19:46 |
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| * manyoso notes the MultiTouch engine | 19:46 | |
| manyoso | it looks like Nokia already has a multi touch prototype device | 19:47 |
| CptLaptop | i tried a acer aspire one today and thats obviously not the way to go ion portable computing | 19:47 |
| CptLaptop | NITs ftw | 19:47 |
| bef0rd | https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/attachments/20080813/37420814/attachment.jpg | 19:47 |
| Veggen | CptLaptop: dunno. I *do* need something mobile and a bit more powerful than the tablet. | 19:48 |
| CptLaptop | tablet pc | 19:48 |
| glass_ | eee/one are ok for cheap small laptops | 19:48 |
| CptLaptop | somethign thats not so cheap its crap | 19:48 |
| glass_ | but they're cheap small laptops and not internet tablets that go in pocket | 19:48 |
| Veggen | I sometimes do result service for scout competitions far away from any internet connection. I think an eeepc type *could* be right for me. | 19:49 |
| Veggen | I can drag my n810 all the time. I have returned to a stationary for home use. I have a powerful desktop-replacement-laptop for work, but I don't bother to drag it home. | 19:49 |
| CptLaptop | i prefer my hacked together NIT keybaordthingy | 19:50 |
| Veggen | I think an eepc could be right. | 19:50 |
| bef0rd | manyoso, only webkit support? too bad for gecko :P | 19:50 |
| CptLaptop | the aspire one KB sucked, and the eee one is evern smaller | 19:50 |
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| manyoso | oh i'm sure they have the nokia mozilla team working hard too | 19:50 |
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| manyoso | i'll bet they are competing internally and one will always be kept around as a fallback by nokia | 19:50 |
| CptLaptop | this works just as well as a netbook for me, kb is better and i dont lose what makes the nit so useful - tablet mode for ebooks ans such http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800la1.jpg | 19:51 |
| Veggen | but for dragging along on travels for the occational check of train timetables, hotels, maps and other information, the n810 *is* the perfect companion. | 19:51 |
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| CptLaptop | i use my nit at school when i dont care to drag my lappy. i dont feel it justified to spend 4000 NOK on replacing it with an AA1 | 19:52 |
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| Kegetys | http://junk.kegetys.net/btkeyb.jpg I find this to be ok for mobility | 19:52 |
| Kegetys | (wiimote is unrelated) | 19:53 |
| CptLaptop | got a similar kb but doesnt have norwegian characters and its not very stable (meaning it moves around the desk if i press keys hard) | 19:54 |
| jussio1 | Hrm, having a small issue with my n800. try to go to download maps, it says I dont have enough space. however I cant find anywhere to change the download location to my wexternal memory card | 19:54 |
| bef0rd | Kegetys, that's a bt keyboard, right? | 19:54 |
| Kegetys | bef0rd: yeah | 19:54 |
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| zfigz | Does anyone use Claws for mail? | 19:54 |
| bef0rd | how much did it cost you? | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | jussio1, real info please | 19:54 |
| CptLaptop | also i find that BT kb is very slow if you have the nit opaired with a cell at the same time | 19:54 |
| zfigz | I'm getting really annoyed with the default email client | 19:54 |
| zfigz | CptLaptop, that's normal | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | i use claws | 19:55 |
| Kegetys | works fine for me.. | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | internal one is shit' | 19:55 |
| zfigz | Yeah...it seriously is. | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | claws is nice | 19:55 |
| Woefix_ | jussio1 which program are you using? | 19:55 |
| Kegetys | cost 35 euros or something like that | 19:55 |
| zfigz | Cpt, how'd you transfer your oldsettings/emails to claws? | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | although it breaks osso backup | 19:55 |
| jussio1 | GAN800: what do you need to know? | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | zfigz: i use imap so no need to transfer anything | 19:55 |
| zfigz | Cpt, and you don't get a LED notification with it do you? | 19:55 |
| jussio1 | Woefix_: the one that comes as standard with the lateest diablo | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | What the hell you're actually trying to do. | 19:55 |
| CptLaptop | zfigz no i dont think so | 19:55 |
| zfigz | Argh, I'll miss that then...but shit...the osso one is soooo slow. | 19:56 |
| zfigz | Sometimes it doesn't even start. | 19:56 |
| Woefix_ | its just called "map" isn't it? don't you have to pay for that app? | 19:56 |
| CptLaptop | hang on i can check | 19:56 |
| GAN800 | osso-email is dead | 19:56 |
| CptLaptop | it might do led | 19:56 |
| jussio1 | GAN800: just upgraded to diblo, wanted to use maps - came up with map download, clicked scandinavia, it said no room on internal card | 19:56 |
| zfigz | Cpt, let me know. | 19:56 |
| zfigz | The LED notification is the only thing I really like about the osso mail client | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | jussio1, clean out your internal card, then. | 19:57 |
| CptLaptop | zfigz it does have a led option, id just disabled it | 19:57 |
| zfigz | Oh! | 19:57 |
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| zfigz | So it does work | 19:57 |
| zfigz | awesome | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | manyoso, that's S60 | 19:57 |
| zfigz | I'm switching then | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | and the 'Tube' | 19:57 |
| zfigz | Cpt, did you deactivate osso mail? or? | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | I say again, osso-email is dead | 19:57 |
| CptLaptop | "after checking new mail (options): go to inbox, update all fodlers, blink led, play sound,. show info banner | 19:58 |
| zfigz | There isn't a way to uninstall it, is there? | 19:58 |
| jussio1 | GAN800: so there is no way to use my standard SD ? | 19:58 |
| GAN800 | It doesn't exist anymore | 19:58 |
| GAN800 | jussio1, only if you have an N800. | 19:58 |
| manyoso | GAN800: no, it is not | 19:58 |
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| CptLaptop | zfigz i just put it not to check for new mail | 19:58 |
| GAN800 | manyoso, clearly it is. | 19:58 |
| zfigz | Cpt, oh ok...then hid it away eh? | 19:58 |
| CptLaptop | yeah i just ignore it :d | 19:58 |
| manyoso | GAN800: the replies were about S60, but the original email was talking about modifications to QtWebKit and running on the internet table | 19:58 |
| manyoso | GAN800: read again | 19:59 |
| manyoso | it is not | 19:59 |
| jussio1 | GAN800: problem is, there is nothing but the map and tmp folders on the internal - this is a clean install | 19:59 |
| CptLaptop | i dont use my nit for meila a lot anyways, use my e51 instead since it doesnt require wifi | 19:59 |
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| manyoso | GAN800: quote from the email: | 19:59 |
| manyoso | What we have already up and running: | 19:59 |
| manyoso | - Prototype implementation OpenGL ES 1.1 accelerated QT-WebKit running | 19:59 |
| manyoso | on ARM based Internet Tablet device (such as N810) | 19:59 |
| Woefix_ | why don't you use another program? Jussio? | 20:00 |
| zfigz | Are any of the Claw's addons worth it? | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | Prototype, woo | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | That's not the point. | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | It's only incidental. | 20:00 |
| manyoso | then what is your point? S60 was not even mentioned | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | It's the iPhone competitor. | 20:01 |
| jussio1 | Woefix_: because I want to use this one. it comes with it. :/ | 20:01 |
| RST38h | back | 20:01 |
| teamcobra | woooh..... now what are the chances of it being released? (ogl es accel on n8x0) | 20:01 |
| GAN800 | manyoso, it may run on the tablets, but it's not its focus. | 20:02 |
| manyoso | GAN800: she even clearly states that she doesn't work on the S60 team | 20:02 |
| manyoso | what's more.... the S60 port of webkit is woefully out of shape | 20:02 |
| manyoso | she is clearly talking about QtWebKit and running on arm processor and mentions targeting the internet tablet such as N810 | 20:02 |
| GAN800 | Jonni is typically a man's nane. | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | s/nane/name/ | 20:03 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Jonni is typically a man's name. | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | manyoso, believe what you want. Maybe post Harmattan, but not anytime soon. | 20:04 |
| manyoso | hah, ok. whatever. | 20:05 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, why does Qt and ARM not mean S60? | 20:05 |
| GAN800 | S60 is ARM | 20:05 |
| GAN800 | and Nokia's moving Qt onto it big time. | 20:05 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, bugzilla autolinks 'bug #2000'. | 20:08 |
| GAN800 | No need to paste the url. | 20:08 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, ping. | 20:11 |
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| andre__ | GAN800, pong | 20:12 |
| Id3rfix | hello | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | What's the procedure for closing bugs these days? | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | Previously it was handled by Noia after a release. | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | Now. . . . | 20:12 |
| jussio1 | so no fixes for my issue? | 20:13 |
| andre__ | GAN800, Nokia closed bugs? cool :) | 20:13 |
| andre__ | GAN800, what exactly do you mean? | 20:13 |
| GAN800 | Well, 'Maemo QA' anyway. | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | They'd set bugs CLOSED after the fix was shipped. | 20:14 |
| Id3rfix | nokia n810 violated the GNU General Public License i received the mail from mailing list of http://gpl-violations.org when i decided to subscribe | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | lol? | 20:14 |
| andre__ | Id3rfix, links, please :) | 20:15 |
| andre__ | GAN800, oh they did? interesting :) i "close" bugs after i got verification from the reporter after an update has been made available. probably won't happen that often ;-) | 20:16 |
| andre__ | otherwise they remain resolved fixed | 20:16 |
| Id3rfix | youu must subscribe to the mailing list | 20:16 |
| _berto_ | http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2008-August/001370.html | 20:16 |
| _berto_ | that's the link I guess | 20:16 |
| andre__ | no, i must not. i expect archives. | 20:17 |
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| andre__ | GAN800, needs a clarification maybe in the bugsquad page? | 20:20 |
| teamcobra | Id3rfix, the modified libesd isn't in the sdk? | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | Probably. It just typically happened one way and now it doesn't | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | worthwhile to be clear | 20:20 |
| andre__ | GAN800, so they just put everything to closed? hmm. ok | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | Related, what's the deal with ASSIGNED? Its usage seems incredibly inconsistent. | 20:21 |
| andre__ | yeah. i wonder what braindead people set assignee to Maemo QA | 20:21 |
| andre__ | did they really expect the QA "team" (cough) to check anything? hmm | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | Sometimes a bug seems to be 'assigned' but ot remains NEW | 20:22 |
| andre__ | no | 20:22 |
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| GAN800 | Sometimes it actually gets set ASSIGNED | 20:22 |
| andre__ | ASSIGNED and NEW states are disjunct :) | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | Clearly | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | But I guess I'm just not clear on the nuances of that distinction. | 20:23 |
| andre__ | in a perfect world we have an assignee for everything, and a bug in NEW state | 20:23 |
| andre__ | when the assignee starts to work on it, he set the state to ASSIGNED | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | Ah, so less-than-useful Nokia engineers who have bugs assigned to them but don't actually use bugzilla are to blame? | 20:24 |
| Id3rfix | ask to roberto.gordo@gmail.com or to the legal legal@lists.gpl-violations.org | 20:24 |
| andre__ | hehehe | 20:24 |
| andre__ | kind of, yeah | 20:24 |
| * GAN800 rolleyes | 20:25 | |
| andre__ | Id3rfix, what for? why? me? you? | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | Did anybody bother talking to Nokia? | 20:25 |
| Id3rfix | more informations | 20:25 |
| Id3rfix | i want to write to have more informations | 20:26 |
| andre__ | ah, cool. | 20:26 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, can I talk you into bludgeoning all Nokia folks with ASSIGNED bugs in the NEW state with a large log until they fix it? :p | 20:27 |
| andre__ | GAN800, sounds like a plan, though not high priority :) | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | Would it help if I got you the log? ;) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | GAN800 don't be a skank, flush it | 20:29 |
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| GAN800 | Can't, you clogged the damn thing up when you used it before me. | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | sorry, my bad | 20:30 |
| * lcuk passes you the poking stick | 20:30 | |
| * GAN800 gets out the plugger instead. | 20:30 | |
| GAN800 | A dirty plugged is so much more effective. | 20:31 |
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| GAN800 | s/plugged/plunger/ | 20:31 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: A dirty plunger is so much more effective. | 20:31 |
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| GAN800 | Weird typo | 20:31 |
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| _berto_ | Id3rfix: i'd better write directly to nokia, or ask in the maemo-developers mailing list | 20:38 |
| _berto_ | the violation you're talking about is this one, right ? -> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2008-August/001370.html | 20:38 |
| Id3rfix | i would ask only a thing | 20:38 |
| Id3rfix | why maemo distribute GNU/linux and nokia not ? In the boxes of pda there are not cd's and the gpl talks very clear distribute the source code | 20:40 |
| _berto_ | IIRC there are explicit instruction on how to obtain the source code | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | actually you dont have to distribute the source along with the binary | 20:41 |
| lcuk | source is available upon request from the appropriate repository | 20:41 |
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| Id3rfix | there are not official svn, cvs, ftp, http of nokia where to download the software | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | "[You] can also see who has the most points by category." | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | is this a frigging joke , | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | ?? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | Id3rfix, have you contacted the developer (nokia) and requested the source | 20:42 |
| _berto_ | "Nokia offers to provide such source code to you on a CD-ROM [...]" | 20:42 |
| _berto_ | there are instructions and a contact address to order the CD | 20:43 |
| lcuk | because the gpl does not say "there has to be an official svn, cvs, ftp, http for source" | 20:43 |
| tank-man | i believe it says the medium of the source has to be reasonable | 20:43 |
| lcuk | but if you cannot wait then you can of course just use the proper repo for the maemo distribution and obtain the source for all gpl components | 20:44 |
| Id3rfix | on the user guide that is in the box they say that is possibile to have copy to payment i phoned to the nokia and they nothing say about | 20:44 |
| crashanddie | are you sure they understood you ? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | what payment does it suggest? | 20:44 |
| _berto_ | "Source Code Requests - Nokia Corporation - P.O. Box 407 - FI-00045 - Nokia Group - Finland" | 20:44 |
| _berto_ | that's the address | 20:44 |
| lcuk | Id3rfix, have you got an n8x0? | 20:45 |
| crashanddie | jott, this is starting to become ridiculous | 20:45 |
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| Id3rfix | is a their problem, next time provide to use not free software | 20:45 |
| lcuk | Id3rfix, what? | 20:45 |
| Id3rfix | i got a 770 | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and have you followed the instructions provided in your device documentation to obtain the source? | 20:46 |
| Id3rfix | yes | 20:46 |
| Id3rfix | i phoned to the nokia in Belgio | 20:47 |
| lcuk | what have you done to try to obtain the code, cos i know when i wanted to look at the kernel i just went and found it | 20:47 |
| _berto_ | i'd say that the sources are all here BTW -> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/ | 20:47 |
| lcuk | does it say to phone nokia in belgio? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | _berto_, not for his distro they arent | 20:47 |
| arachnist | is it possible to obtain wifi or graphic card modules source that way? :> | 20:47 |
| _berto_ | these ? _> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/source/ | 20:47 |
| lcuk | arachnist, are those gpl? | 20:47 |
| Id3rfix | nothing they do not say nothing | 20:48 |
| arachnist | lcuk: no, and that's the problem | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | Id3rfix, read the instructions on your device documentation and follow the instructions - for mine they have the address _berto_ just said | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | if i want a cd of all gpl compliant code i send a written letter there | 20:48 |
| lcuk | i would not expect my local nokia dealer to know anything about specific nokia devices | 20:49 |
| _berto_ | in fact you can also use apt-get source from the SDK | 20:49 |
| _berto_ | just like in debian or ubuntu | 20:49 |
| lcuk | or from the device | 20:49 |
| lcuk | arachnist, why is that a problem? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | its just like expecting the source for nvidia graphics drivers | 20:49 |
| _berto_ | there's a specific address for source code requests in case you don't want to use the repository above | 20:49 |
| lcuk | or dont have a fast connection | 20:50 |
| lcuk | or any other reason | 20:50 |
| _berto_ | exactly | 20:50 |
| lcuk | nokia are pretty compliant from what i can see | 20:50 |
| Id3rfix | so the problem was unsolved | 20:50 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, try not to blow things out of proportion; | 20:50 |
| Id3rfix | i did | 20:50 |
| Id3rfix | they don't send nothing | 20:50 |
| lcuk | sure, some things are not gpl (even silly things) but to they have done the right thing so far | 20:50 |
| Id3rfix | is there a good documentation for nokia 770 | 20:51 |
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| Id3rfix | so that i can provide to flash the nokia 770 | 20:51 |
| Id3rfix | and to mount only free software | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | here's what you're looking for | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | including the flasher tool, the binary image and the sources | 20:52 |
| Id3rfix | sdk is not for me | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | in fact there's a project to create a completely free image for nokia devices | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | You can't really operate the device with only free software. | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | see here | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | bme is pretty much a necessity. | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | well, it looks like you can (I haven't teste it though) | 20:53 |
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| Id3rfix | oh good | 20:54 |
| lcuk | Id3rfix, to make use of this device with entirely free software stack you run into some limitations because not all hardware is supported with free drivers. as a none developer i believe your target will be difficult | 20:54 |
| _berto_ | Id3rfix: and here are all the sources -> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/Nokia_770_OS.php | 20:54 |
| Id3rfix | yes, but if there are not free software packages i don't use it | 20:55 |
| * GAN800 rolleyes | 20:55 | |
| _berto_ | Id3rfix: so use Mamona | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Id3rfix, enjoy your nokia internet tablet without internet then :) and about 1/2 hour of battery life | 20:56 |
| _berto_ | "Mamona is an embedded Linux distribution for ARM EABI. The main goal of the Mamona Project is to offer a completely open source alternative/experimental Platform for Maemo using only free and open source components." | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then no more battery ever. | 20:56 |
| _berto_ | that's exactly what you're looking for | 20:56 |
| Id3rfix | at the same time i thank you here is time to go and take the dinner | 20:56 |
| _berto_ | arrivederci | 20:57 |
| _berto_ | :) | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | mamona has wifi apparantly :) | 20:57 |
| * lcuk didnt know that | 20:57 | |
| eimai | hi, I'm trying to use my pc to give my N810 internet through usb with http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, but I hit the DUMMY bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 -- can anyone point me towards a work-around as long as the connection manager isn't fixed? | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia employees need to be removed from this list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Eligible_candidates | 20:59 |
| birunko | lcuk, we're working right now to support network-manager =) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | nice! | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | birunko, the last i saw of mamona, the battery life was not great - have many things been tweaked and twiddled to extend its life? | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, why can't nokia employees go up for election? | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly a conflict of interest. | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | why? an awful lot of nokia contractors and employees started out as community members | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a _Community_ council, not a corporate council. | 21:03 |
| toma | and they are not part of the community? | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Privileged information, conflicts between community interests and employer interests, appearance to the community at large. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | and if nokia employees are in the community an awful lot what does it matter? its not like we are gonna have a sole overlord | 21:04 |
| * lcuk doesnt like them n us | 21:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Having a Nokia employee on the council sends the wrong message. | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It isn't about that. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | excluding excellent members of the community for arbitary reasons also sends out the wrong message | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | A Nokia employee has a lot of hats to wear, and wearing a council hat and a Nokia hat may conflict at times. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hardly arbitrary. | 21:05 |
| RST38h | as sad as it is, this is not an arbitrary reason | 21:05 |
| lcuk | someone like x-fade for isntance - is here a lot, takes part in things | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's not a Nokia employee. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | nokia contractor | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in the Maemo Software sense, anyway. | 21:05 |
| RST38h | these guys will represent community when talking to Nokia | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd say maemo.org team members probably shouldn't run, anyway. | 21:06 |
| RST38h | you can't have nokia employees in this particular role | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly because they already occupy positions of leadership in the community | 21:06 |
| lcuk | so, no nokia affiliation at all | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and because they already have enough to do without also sitting on a council. | 21:06 |
| lcuk | no, they write software in the community and nokia rewarded them by making it a paying position | 21:06 |
| lcuk | iu have a fulltime job also and then do this ontop | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last two comments were re: maemo.org people. | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think the council may already have enough of an issue being seen as too Nokia-friendly by some decidedly confused folk. | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Nokia shills" | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having a Nokia employee on the council would only make that worse. | 21:08 |
| lcuk | might i suggest a compromise - nokia employees and contractors should be entitled to nominate themselves, but if voted in must cut ties with nokia (ie, self solving) | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell is going to take a stupid council chair over a paying job? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | i was under the impression that funding was available? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | even if not - it solves the problem by not explicitely excluding anyone | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | For what? | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Funding? | 21:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a bit confused now. | 21:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's fairly obvious that exclusion doesn't have anything to do with past employment | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So having a specific clause stating that you can sit only if you quit Nokia is a bit, erhm, retarded | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the reasons for excluding Nokia employees are fairly obvious. | 21:12 |
| Id3rfix | I take the nokia 770 to communicate a thing : actually there are 3 projects opened #madwifi for atheros, their decision to develop ath5k and ath9k bsd license and gpl license, then there is Sebastien with prism54 and p54u prism54 is dedicated to GNU/linux and p54u to freebsd first was available only #prism54 then i create the #p54u and is documentated too on #prism54 read the topic of #prism54, i am only the admin of #p54u then enjoy | 21:12 |
| Id3rfix | yourself and good luck ! Bye bye | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | re | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the rules on the wiki page made it clear Nokia employees *could* stand, as long as they made that clear. | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh really? | 21:14 |
| Jaffa | /whenever/ advertising their nomination | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, guess I missed that. | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Point withdrawn, then. | 21:15 |
| Jaffa | I could imagine two scenarios: 1) someone like Texrat who isn't involved in Maemo Software; 2) someone who is so passionate about Maemo they work on it even in their spare time. | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | either way it is a conflict of interest | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | Nokia can tell these guys what to do and what to say and how to vote | 21:16 |
| Jaffa | Now, I'm not sure Texrat's involved in the maemo.org community, really (or am I being too arbitrary?), and I can't OTTOMH think of anyone in the second category *at the moment* | 21:17 |
| Pavlz | here i am now i am using my notebook the ibm thinkpad t23 | 21:17 |
| Pavlz | oh, funny keyboard and screen | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well, Texrat isn't much involved in anything Maemo-related anymore. | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: hence the need for them to advertise that conflict. The BBC doesn't not report news which affects it, for example | 21:18 |
| Pavlz | i got only 256 mb of ram, i must to update, but i got somethig as 30 gb of hd | 21:18 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed, but he was useful as an example of a Nokia employee who wouldn'tt have a day to day conflict of intert | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps, though he does work with tablets outside of Maemo Software but in Nokia. | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: and who said the Council internals would be a democracy, except in nominating a chair? ;-) | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | The voter selection rules were designed so that a shill would be recognised by the active and involved community members voting; if those rules are changing it could have an impact on other rules like this one | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | My other big worry was people getting elected for being loud and "anti-Nokia" | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | as dneary outlined on the list. | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: inded, I was trying to suggest a Nokia employee who wokeed on things entirely unrelated but who was very active in the community anyway | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't think of who that might be. | 21:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's one S60 guy on here (whose nick I've forgotten), but he's not very active. | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles Indeed, again the karma requirement would prevent a loud and disgruntled ITT bloc dominating the results; but maybe the 3 month rule covers that as well. I don't think it does. | 21:23 |
| Talus46_n810 | greetings | 21:23 |
| lardman | re | 21:24 |
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| Jaffa | Perhaps the limit should just be something like 5? That'd cover the lcuk case, who seems to be the mascot of the "bah, karma" crowd ;-) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | hey i dont care - people are bringing me up about it | 21:30 |
| * lcuk looks wayyyyy up to the top of the karma mountain and waves | 21:30 | |
| * lardman wonders where he is | 21:30 | |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed, it's a fairly reasonable point that shows a way of counting IRC should be included | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, just about to be passed by me. :P | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yer agreed - i dont mind being a test case occassionally - as long as i gain karma for it ;) | 21:31 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: lol | 21:31 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: good for you, I've not done much for a while | 21:31 |
| lcuk | anyway bbl | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just, passed, since my bug spree last night, actually. :P | 21:31 |
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| lardman | if you get more than one T-shirt, send me one over :) | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | How far back do mgedmin's logs go? | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | Of course, now poeople can favourite indivudals, so we can give lcuk a vote by favouriting him, if that's desired - proving the karma system works | 21:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles clutches his now-classic maemo t-shirt. :D | 21:32 | |
| Jaffa | Heh | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does favoriting users affect karma? | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: a fair way | 21:32 |
| lardman | is X-Fade off now? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It didn't seem to the last time I tried. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, believe so. | 21:33 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: reduces your karma you mean ;) | 21:33 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ok, thanks | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles : I assumed it'd boost their karma by a fair way | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like that. ;) | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It may change once every 24 hours with the rest, though. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really sure. | 21:33 |
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| Jaffa | If not, what's the point? And it uses the ssame icons as giving people points for good news | 21:34 |
| lcuk | please everyone vote for me :D | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | Laggy GPRS on train | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, wouldn't be much of one. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the #meamo logs go back acceptably far, would there be any objections to counting lines here into karma? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | :D wicked idea | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | Fine by me | 21:35 |
| lcuk | ive got from the day i installed xchat to now | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | and could something be done to make counting future lines less resource-intensive. . . . | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | There's a page per day, ech run only looks at logs for days not yet processed | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 21:35 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: that's a pretty hit and miss approach though | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | Well, that's how I'd implement it | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not weighted much | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | Should be very lower point per line | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | 500 lines per karma point. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or something similarly low. | 21:36 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I suppose it would rate involvement, if not actual contribution | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just like the lists. | 21:36 |
| lardman | is that how they're done? | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, arguably, bugzilla for some reporters. ;) | 21:37 |
| Jaffa | which is all karma does do | 21:37 |
| Jaffa | One thing which'd be good as well is how often *others* use your nick | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Karma points from the list are just points-per-message | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, but highlight variations? | 21:38 |
| Jaffa | That should be weighted more than your own lines | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | My name is big and hard to type out, so I get a lot of "GA", "gen", "ant", etc. | 21:38 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: your fault ;-) | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That number would be biased towards people with short, easy to type names. | 21:38 |
| Jaffa | Fair point, tho | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lines are easy to count and straightforward to weight. | 21:39 |
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| Jaffa | aye | 21:39 |
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| Jaffa | anyone able to implement it? | 21:39 |
| Jaffa | probably should go to -community | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be bergie or ferenc at this point, I suppose. | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | -community also needs to be counted for karma | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it is at this point. | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | Interesting that in the summary about karma, -community posts weren't being counted | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | snap | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie isn't here | 21:40 |
| * lardman registers a few new nicks, the, is, a, am | 21:40 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I could probably get him to volunteer to write an IRC karma plugin. ;) | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | lardman: that's the other flaw ;-) | 21:41 |
| lardman | ;) | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | <th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">@X-Fade</th> | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just count the nick there. | 21:42 |
| Jaffa | I can't favourite lcuk through microb | 21:42 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ignoring the op '@' | 21:42 |
| lardman | ~lart alloca() for being a real pita to replace with malloc() | 21:43 |
| * infobot urinates on alloca() for being a real pita to replace with malloc() | 21:43 | |
| Jaffa | IRC nick field is in profile now | 21:43 |
| arachnist | lardman: what is it that you hate about alloca()? :> | 21:43 |
| lardman | arachnist: the face that tremor uses it alot and the DSP toolchain doesn't support it | 21:44 |
| lardman | s/face/fact | 21:44 |
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| lardman | There are going to be lots and lots of memory leaks | 21:45 |
| arachnist | dsp? | 21:45 |
| arachnist | digital signal processor? | 21:45 |
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| lardman | yes | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, FBReader people in itT? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weirdness. | 21:46 |
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| brontide | GeneralAntilles: archived at least half of of the Maemo (operating system) talk page | 21:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | brontide, thanks! | 21:48 |
| * lcuk goes and tries something | 21:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking I was to heavily involved in that one to do that myself. ;) | 21:49 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: we're also not counting ITT thankses, even tho reggie implemented the API | 21:49 |
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| lardman | arachnist: if you know of a plug in C replacement/implementation, I'm all ears | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the deadline for voter's karma at this point? | 21:50 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: deadline? | 21:50 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: who was talking about short easy to type names? | 21:50 |
| arachnist | lardman: not really | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the karma for voting qualification will be counted. | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, me. | 21:50 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ah, ok | 21:50 |
| lardman | arachnist: no worries, I'll get back to it then :S | 21:51 |
| lbt | +1 each - well done that man ;) | 21:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa somebody with a little time should look at the karma plugin interface. | 21:52 |
| brontide | It was time to let that topic die, it was cluttering the talk page and added 0 value at this point | 21:52 |
| brontide | I'm thinking of just a seperate Archive 1 for the rest of the outdated stuff | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | We also need to count wiki karma. | 21:53 |
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| * brontide is still confused about karma and how it's linked to the account | 21:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, uh, it attempts to summarize all maemo.org contributions into a number. | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | By counting things like mailing list messages, garage group membership, Downloads entries, bugs reported, and new items hearted/thumbed. | 21:55 |
| andre__ | voter's karma deadline was tonight iirc | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Candidates karma deadline was last night. | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the voter's is just before voting starts. | 21:56 |
| brontide | WTF does that *mean* | 21:56 |
| brontide | voting for what? | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org Community Council elections | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council | 21:57 |
| lcuk | dave said karma was not important for voters | 21:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | brontide, are you subscribed to -users, -developers, and -community? | 21:57 |
| brontide | -devel | 21:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I don't think we've really reached a clear final decision on that yet. :) | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, add -community in there. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | in the mail today "explaining karma" he said : While I disagree with "dangerous", I am not opposed now to using only | 21:58 |
| lcuk | the existence of a maemo account 3 months before the election date as | 21:58 |
| lcuk | the eligibility condition. I will generate a list of eligible voters | 21:58 |
| lcuk | based on this. | 21:58 |
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| brontide | like I need another high-volume mailing list cluttering my inbox | 21:58 |
| lcuk | thats pretty clear to me | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, I saw, but that's not a final decission. | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, it's low-volume | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Setup some rules to move the mailing list stuff to a folder. | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, brontide, the threads at the bottom here are the ones you want: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-August/thread.html | 22:00 |
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| * brontide wonder what GeneralAntilles thinks of as high volume. Low volume to me is less than 1 message/day | 22:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:09 |
| lardman | what weirdness is going on in vorbis_book_unpack()? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get about ~70 messages a day | 22:09 |
| lbt | ha - upgraded my non-flash partition on tuesday - finally got "system upgraded successfully" today... | 22:11 |
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| lbt | nokia browser start page still has the old maemo logo though | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, nominations are open. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, check out about: | 22:12 |
| brontide | how does it track blogs? | 22:12 |
| brontide | karma that is | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | planet | 22:12 |
| brontide | ? | 22:12 |
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| lbt | microB 1.0.1 ? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually 1.0.4 | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we're now in 2008 | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, http://planet.maemo.org | 22:13 |
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| lbt | I just used appmgr to install the latest upgrade... | 22:14 |
| lbt | according to appmgr I can update 'map' and 'Operating System' | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | DO NOT INSTALL OPERATING SYSTEM | 22:15 |
| lbt | d'oh | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid goddamn Red Pill | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn it off. | 22:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Operating System is a meta-package for "I want a reboot loop, please, sir!" | 22:16 |
| lbt | thing is, magic crap like "red pill mode" doesn't mean anything | 22:16 |
| lbt | and now I have to go hunting for deliberatley arcane ways to remove it | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you watch the matrix? | 22:17 |
| lbt | I don't even know it is there | 22:17 |
| lbt | Oh, I get the ref | 22:17 |
| lbt | but seriously | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly the _RED PILL_ is not the safe way. | 22:18 |
| lbt | I probably got told to do it | 22:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles eyeroll | 22:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, that's another part of the problem | 22:18 |
| lbt | or it's a bypass during the extras breakage | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | People recommend it as some sort of magical fix-all. | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has its uses. | 22:18 |
| lbt | which I followed in good faith | 22:18 |
| lbt | but it should scream every time I start it up | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But a fix-all troubleshooting method isn't one of them. | 22:18 |
| lbt | sorry for not living on my tablet | 22:18 |
| lbt | I forget things like that | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application catalog... : New : enter 'matrix' in the URL field | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | click cancel | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blue | 22:19 |
| lbt | cute - but ultimately not good :) | 22:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles ponders out his council motivations. | 22:19 | |
| lbt | hmm "Enter web address first" | 22:21 |
| lbt | I guess the red pill switch mode has gone | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the URL field | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the name field | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and click CANCEL | 22:21 |
| lbt | there is no 'URL' field | 22:21 |
| lbt | Web Address: | 22:21 |
| RST38h | why do you need the red pill mode at all? | 22:21 |
| RST38h | apt-get no longer works? | 22:22 |
| lbt | I want it off | 22:22 |
| RST38h | just reboot. | 22:22 |
| lbt | apparently I put it on at some point | 22:22 |
| lbt | it's rebooted zillions of times | 22:22 |
| lbt | (never on it's own) | 22:22 |
| lbt | does it reset on reboot? | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't reset with a reboot. | 22:22 |
| * lcuk is scanning | 22:23 | |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: you think it is on because I have an 'Operating System' appear as an install option? | 22:23 |
| RST38h | evil | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think, I know. ;) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, in the 10 day test i did on february no surprises that you were the loudmouth :P | 22:23 |
| lbt | how do I check it ? | 22:23 |
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| lbt | my version doesn't seem to respond | 22:24 |
| lbt | to GA's "matrix" trick | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Web address: matrix | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Cancel. | 22:24 |
| lbt | sorry - "Cancel" | 22:24 |
| RST38h | [why am I not surprised it comes from Fox?] | 22:24 |
| * lbt mutters about *deliberately* obscure "break me" modes... | 22:25 | |
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| lbt | Thanks GeneralAntilles | 22:25 |
| andre__ | ...there's a conflict in georgia? media here should cover more internal USA stories :-P | 22:25 |
| RST38h | lbt: At least it is not left-left-right-right-down-a-b | 22:25 |
| RST38h | andre: well, shoot more people! | 22:26 |
| lbt | RST38h: Zaurus user? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | lbt: NES | 22:27 |
| lbt | hmm - it doesn't look that bad on paper.... http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html | 22:27 |
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| andre__ | hmm, ok, the joke maybe wasn't that obvious... :-/ | 22:28 |
| CptLaptop | there should be a torrent site for tablet encoded vids :/ [7randomthought] | 22:29 |
| lbt | andre__: redpill thing? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | CptLaptop, most, *ahem* videos work just fine for me with mplayer. | 22:29 |
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| lbt | anyhow.... my original problem is that I don't appear to have the right browser | 22:30 |
| CptLaptop | your porn is slow. my scifi is fast. lagging difference :p | 22:30 |
| RST38h | does that ever happen? | 22:30 |
| lbt | and appmrg shows no upgrades | 22:31 |
| lbt | what's up with that then? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, you do have the right browser | 22:31 |
| lcuk | wow :) | 22:31 |
| lbt | I thought you said 1.0.4? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was pointing out that about: also hadn't been updated | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that the logo wasn't updated because your browser wasn't | 22:31 |
| lbt | OK :) | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | My apologies for the obfuscation. | 22:31 |
| lbt | 's OK - I got redpill off and learned something - always good | 22:32 |
| lcuk | since january according to my quite extensive log, KotCzarny is the irc king. now my log does not contain the whole thing, i will attempt to speak to marius and see how complete his are | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny the spammer. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | (i am second and GeneralAntilles you are third) | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | kotczarny helped me loads :) he never spammed to me | 22:32 |
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| * GeneralAntilles had no love for Kot. | 22:33 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, thanks for bringing the logo up. | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm filing a bug as we speak. | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Where is KotCzarny? | 22:34 |
| lbt | damn - shoulda thought of that | 22:34 |
| novaterata | Hi, has anyone had problem where no wireless connections are being found using one boot partition but everything is fine on another | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | Don't tell me he has got an iPhone | 22:35 |
| lbt | how do I fix my irc client to autocomplete GeneralAntilles as GeneralAntilles(KarmaWhore) | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it open source? | 22:35 |
| lbt | apt-get source konversation.... | 22:35 |
| andrewfblack | GA did they do thoes wiki server updates seems to be working better for me today | 22:36 |
| lcuk | top 50 #maemo irc posters from january 14 to aug 14 - http://slexy.org/view/s20lAJ9KUY | 22:36 |
| lbt | good god, I'm in there | 22:36 |
| mikkov_ | great, i have somehow totally borked my scratchbox installation.. | 22:36 |
| lbt | don't let my wife see that! | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, no, not updated yet. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, heh | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ISP had enabled some crazy watchdog script that was killing threads left and right. | 22:37 |
| andrewfblack | Well atleast its working better for now, something is fixed on it | 22:37 |
| lcuk | people think twitter posts are full of crap | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie figured it out and disabled it. | 22:37 |
| novaterata | I think it happened after trying to install Feature Upgrade that failed | 22:37 |
| lbt | lcuk: twitter<>irc gateway! | 22:37 |
| lbt | I could blog! | 22:37 |
| lcuk | lbt :) indeed | 22:37 |
| lcuk | i have said on many occasions i use irc as my blog | 22:37 |
| andrewfblack | Well I get a Load Unsecure items on every page I go to now but atleast they load lol | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i post random crap ideas cos i know its googlable | 22:38 |
| lbt | sounds like a job for python... | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | lbt, im currently looking at some irc extensions to meld our maemo device properly | 22:38 |
| lbt | go on.. | 22:39 |
| andrewfblack | ok stupid question but how do you get Karma I got 27 and didn't even know it all I know | 22:39 |
| lcuk | well if you think a stroke is just a list of coords i could use freenode to store all the sketches | 22:40 |
| lbt | lcuk: sick puppy | 22:40 |
| lcuk | mixing sketches and chat in one place with whiteboarding etc | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Mental Note: Have to cut down time here | 22:40 |
| lbt | but... | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, link me your userpage and I'll break it down for you. | 22:40 |
| lbt | whiteboarding... | 22:40 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:40 |
| lcuk | i sit here doodling whilst chatting | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Noo, we need us more RST38h! | 22:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Sure you want us all to see your doodles? | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, im open source :) | 22:41 |
| andrewfblack | how do I find my user page | 22:41 |
| lcuk | idea storming is better if you can draw it | 22:41 |
| * lcuk just noticed hes on the list twice | 22:42 | |
| * lcuk might make it daily/weekly | 22:42 | |
| RST38h | So, you intend to do doodle<->irc bridge? =) | 22:42 |
| lcuk | does anyone have a near complete full log? some of the lurkers over there must do | 22:42 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin | 22:43 |
| RST38h | mgedmin does | 22:43 |
| lcuk | i said up there ill try and contact him | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack: https://maemo.org/profile/view/andrewfblack/ | 22:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I would then use a separate channel and feed SVG data there | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your karma is from Garage project membership | 22:43 |
| lcuk | RST38h, svg is heavy on the formatting, im only interested in the raw strokes | 22:43 |
| andrewfblack | Cool that I what I figured | 22:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So that a "doodle client" would connect to that channel, gather SVGs and draw them onto canvas in different colors | 22:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ok, then yes, by all means | 22:43 |
| andrewfblack | You get it for adding to wiki also right? | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, did you install liqbase? | 22:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You can even gzip+binhex them | 22:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yep | 22:44 |
| RST38h | But I have got an old version, one you passed around via itt | 22:44 |
| lcuk | then if you go look into the _apg folder in MyDocs you will see the strokes | 22:44 |
| lbt | andrewfblack: no such luck | 22:44 |
| lcuk | its just colors and points basically | 22:44 |
| lbt | (yet) | 22:44 |
| lcuk | get the basics working then work on the additions | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, wiki karma plugin will come around eventually. | 22:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: SVG does have a tag for these | 22:45 |
| andrewfblack | So what do you get Karma for right now just Garage? | 22:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So they will look about the same in SVG | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mailing lists, Garage, Downloads, bugs, blogs, ratings. | 22:45 |
| lcuk | so i waste 80 characters on formatting instead of just saying stroke:(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | exporting to svg is something someone else can do | 22:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, that is a drawback of all xml based crap | 22:46 |
| lcuk | xml is great but not for this use case | 22:46 |
| * RST38h should probably go into anal-retentive mode and file more bugs | 22:46 | |
| andrewfblack | You get it for downloads lol I never both to login to download something | 22:46 |
| lcuk | you came out of it? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, Downloads, not downloads. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://downloads.maemo.org | 22:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: this is just 50% of the total capacity | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | you mean that up there ^ | 22:47 |
| lcuk | if so, yer i could jsut use binary formatting | 22:47 |
| lcuk | but im not expecting it to work | 22:47 |
| thefool | I am having some problems getting scratchbox setup and was wondering if anyone could be of assistance. | 22:48 |
| lardman | ha! I've beated you alloca()! | 22:48 |
| lbt | thefool: what's the prob? | 22:48 |
| thefool | I am trying to install the bora SDK with scratchbox, First I tried using the 3.1 installer scripts but after installing scratchbox the sdk informed me that my version of scratchbox was not new enough | 22:49 |
| lbt | bora.... OK - not been there myself | 22:49 |
| lbt | what host OS? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, whats wrong with your alloca | 22:49 |
| thefool | so I installed the latest version of scratchbox and now the SDK is telling me that it is not fully installed because it is looking for some old files that aren't there on the new version | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Notice to everybody: it is the _maemo.org_ Community Council | 22:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: I hate it! | 22:49 |
| thefool | lbt, ubuntu | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the _Maemo_ Community Council | 22:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: and the DSP doesn't support it | 22:49 |
| thefool | 8.04 | 22:49 |
| lcuk | lol why not the more conventional malloc | 22:49 |
| lcuk | ahhhh | 22:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: because Tremor uses it all over the place, grrr! | 22:50 |
| lbt | thefool: have you tried a reinstall of the sdk once sb has upgraded? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | if you are replacing it, you muyst ensure you put free() in the right places | 22:50 |
| lardman | lcuk: tell me about it! :) | 22:51 |
| lcuk | lol theres quite a bit of difference | 22:51 |
| thefool | yea, the sdk informed me that scratchbox was not fully installed, and referenced some missing files that are not in the new version as far as I can tell | 22:51 |
| lardman | I know, it's pita | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i thought that was dsp anyway? | 22:51 |
| RST38h | lardman: Why in the world would you need Tremor? | 22:52 |
| lbt | I suggest blatting the old install and try again | 22:52 |
| lcuk | or is the original tremor just arm | 22:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: ? | 22:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: porting to the dsp | 22:52 |
| lardman | RST38h even | 22:52 |
| lcuk | lardman, ahhh everything ive heard about tremor has had dsp- before it :) | 22:52 |
| thefool | blatting? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | but thats just you | 22:53 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, it's fixed point, for arm basically, but yeah, when I talk about it it's dsp-tremor | 22:53 |
| lbt | thefool: clean out the partially installed sdk and reinstall clean | 22:53 |
| lbt | thefool: why bora? | 22:54 |
| thefool | ok, can I assume it is all in the scratchbox folder? | 22:54 |
| lbt | well - you can't just rm /scratchbox | 22:54 |
| thefool | have an old 770 I want to write something for and for some reason it was not getting along with 2008HE | 22:54 |
| thefool | lbt, darn, lol then what do I do? | 22:54 |
| lbt | OK - just making sure you know why :) | 22:55 |
| lbt | hmm - I think you can remove /scratchbox/users/* | 22:56 |
| lbt | lemme check | 22:56 |
| moontiger | i did rm -rf /scratchbox ... worked for me | 22:57 |
| lbt | and did it work after? | 22:57 |
| lbt | ie sb-conf | 22:58 |
| moontiger | yup ... apt-get remove scratchbox ... then the rm -rf ... then re-install and all good | 22:58 |
| thefool | lbt, hmm I think I broke things, I rm -R /scratchbox a while back when trying to fix things... | 22:58 |
| lbt | I guess that's clean | 22:58 |
| lbt | ah | 22:59 |
| lbt | OK - then do what moontiger says | 22:59 |
| lbt | apt-get remove it and start again | 22:59 |
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| lbt | (although how rm -r ever fixed anything.... <sigh>) | 22:59 |
| lbt | ; | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, when are you gonna move the images into ~/.liqbase? | 23:00 |
| thefool | apt-get "Couldn't find package scratchbox" | 23:00 |
| lcuk | when i release the next version | 23:00 |
| lbt | bbl | 23:00 |
| moontiger | lbt ... i think only *after* apt-get remove does it work properly | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 23:00 |
| thefool | lbt, lol yea...woops | 23:00 |
| lcuk | but i dont even think it will end up there | 23:00 |
| zfigz | Do you guys know where to see if WiMax will be coming to my city/state/ | 23:00 |
| lcuk | theres quite a few things on the boil | 23:00 |
| lcuk | back later | 23:00 |
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| * GeneralAntilles turns up lcuk's stove. | 23:00 | |
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| * GAN800 hadn't realized Images handled anomated gifs. | 23:02 | |
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| thefool | so apt-get doesn't seem to know what scratchbox is, I foolishly rm -R ed the /scratchbox folder so things are fairly well borked, not sure how to go about recovering | 23:03 |
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| thefool | user error sucks lol | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | GAN: BTW, is the bug with Images not being able to handle large images in the bugzilla? | 23:04 |
| GAN800 | Can it not? | 23:04 |
| GAN800 | How large are we talking? | 23:04 |
| RST38h | Nope. Try opening a few 7mpx jpegs | 23:04 |
| thefool | any clue on how to go about fixing this? | 23:04 |
| GAN800 | It got a _lot_ better with OS2008 | 23:04 |
| RST38h | thefool: Remove SB. Reinstall SB. | 23:05 |
| RST38h | GAN: This is on OS2008. | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, I don't think there is a bug | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Well, let us not call it a bug | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Let us call it "unwise memory usage" | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | Go ahead and file, but please attach a test image and include your real os version. | 23:05 |
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| thefool | RST38h, not sure where it put everything, and a reinstall is telling me that sbox_adduser is not executable and then erroring out | 23:06 |
| RST38h | thefool: What is your host OS? | 23:07 |
| thefool | ubuntu | 23:07 |
| RST38h | thefool: There is Aptitude package manager in ubuntu | 23:07 |
| RST38h | thefool: Run it from the menu. Find all installed Maemo SDK packages. Mark them as "Remove Completely" | 23:07 |
| RST38h | And do "OK" or whatever red button is there | 23:08 |
| thefool | ahh was looking for something about scratchbox didn't think to look for maemo sdk | 23:08 |
| thefool | RST38h, thanks, reinstalling now :) | 23:10 |
| thefool | bah same error :( | 23:10 |
| thefool | alright, missed a package looks to be installing fine now | 23:12 |
| thefool | thanks again | 23:12 |
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| thefool | I am getting | 23:21 |
| thefool | E: Toolchain cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm required for 'SDK_ARMEL' target. | 23:21 |
| thefool | E: Toolchain cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 required for 'SDK_X86' target. | 23:21 |
| thefool | when trying to install the sdk | 23:21 |
| thefool | scratchbox is a fresh install now | 23:21 |
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| Jaffa | re | 23:24 |
| lbt | wiki is back to its old sluggish self... | 23:25 |
| GAN800 | Hey, Jaffa. | 23:25 |
| GAN800 | lbt, least it works. ;) | 23:25 |
| andrewfblack | wiki is mad at me again :) | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | thefool: You are probably missing a repository | 23:28 |
| RST38h | *or* you have not installed the top level package | 23:28 |
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| brontide | GeneralAntilles: not that you don't have enough to do... WTF thumeperwad is asking for speedy deletion of the archives because they didn't get copied over in the rename | 23:29 |
| thefool | RST38h, dumber than that, it went and installed the latest setup which uses glibc2.5...bora uses 2.0 | 23:30 |
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| Jaffa | Excellent: 3 candidates already :-D | 23:30 |
| thefool | 3 canidates for what? | 23:31 |
| Jaffa | maem.org Community Council | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | +o | 23:32 |
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| thefool | ah :) | 23:32 |
| andrewfblack | Jaffa: did someone Nominate them self? lol | 23:33 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: that's the idea | 23:33 |
| thefool | don't want anyone to just get drafted and not have the time for it, so I guess it makes sense | 23:34 |
| andrewfblack | Lol just read the rest of the email your supose to Nominate yourself lol | 23:34 |
| andrewfblack | thats true | 23:36 |
| andrewfblack | Hey I just realized my Windows Theme is on top 100 Garage Projects for most downloads lol near very bottom but on there | 23:36 |
| * Jaffa decides to sleep rather than write an email | 23:36 | |
| RST38h | thefool: Why the hell would you need bora? | 23:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~RST38h++ | 23:41 |
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| keesj | Jaffa has plenty of carma ? going for president? | 23:44 |
| thefool | my 770 does not like 2008HE for some reason | 23:47 |
| thefool | I was getting a reboot about every minute | 23:47 |
| thefool | and I am trying to design an app to interface with a robotics project I am working on | 23:48 |
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| thefool | I will release the code and all, but I don't see it being much use to anyone | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi! | 23:48 |
| Navi | Damn, I'm caught! | 23:48 |
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| Jaffa | That's so cool: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080814/uni-washington-microsoft-research-yet-another-mindblowing-3d-photo-viewer/ | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Navi again! | 23:52 |
| lbt | how the hell do I upload my ssh keys to garage? | 23:52 |
| lbt | do I need an invite first? | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, whose in charge of uploading rights while X-Fade's gone? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ed? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/whose/who's/ | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I assume you've got an invite at least once, right? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/got/gotten/ | 23:53 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lbt, I assume you've gotten an invite at least once, right? | 23:53 |
| lbt | no | 23:53 |
| lbt | I have a project | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, then you need an invite. | 23:54 |
| lbt | and I just asked 15 mins ago | 23:54 |
| lbt | Iwas going to do some prep | 23:54 |
| lbt | (upload ssh key) | 23:54 |
| lbt | OK | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The invite has to be processed before you can upload the key. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Invites are processed by hand. | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and X-Fade's on vacation. | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | There should be links on Upload_to_Extras page | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: no deputy? | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, I'm assuming Ed Bartosh is handling it, but don't know for sure. | 23:55 |
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| algerion | ahoy | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 23:56 |
| lbt | Shopper is ready for autobuild testing - it's been working for a while now | 23:56 |
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| algerion | how's it going? | 23:56 |
| lbt | it's raining | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi again again! | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's raining here, too. | 23:56 |
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| algerion | rained for a minute here earlier | 23:56 |
| lbt | pretty good then :D | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and this concludes the #maemo weather report on the 7s! | 23:57 |
| lbt | since I'm inside | 23:57 |
| algerion | lol, true | 23:57 |
| algerion | anyone play around with android much? | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android is the epitome of lameness. | 23:57 |
| algerion | as in, is there much to do with it yet? | 23:57 |
| thefool | GeneralAntilles, why is that? | 23:58 |
| algerion | lol, I haven't had any problems with os 2008 so far | 23:58 |
| lbt | ooh, ooh, is Android on the N800? | 23:58 |
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| DrgnAK | It's much more fun to run it in it's development environment than it is to run it any where else | 23:58 |
| algerion | oh, except it likes to mount my internal flash as read only | 23:58 |
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| lbt | does it have an autobuilder? | 23:58 |
| thefool | I haven't really looked at it but google tends to put out interesting products...if not overly secure ones... | 23:58 |
| lbt | with adverts | 23:59 |
| algerion | heh, and of course, massive databases | 23:59 |
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