| timelyx | andre___: so... how's templating? :) | 00:01 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, wow, you seem like you've had a rough day | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | chill, you're the king of nerves bro | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nah, I'm fine, just one of my steam release sessions re: Nokia. ;) | 00:02 |
| andre___ | timelyx, another topic for tonight? no way, ping tomorrow again ;-) | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah, tonight was supposed to be a sprint, right ? | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just finished up a little while ago | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | lol | 00:03 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: can you ping sjgadsby about adding back bugjars to the blog w/ proper dates? | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | I think I'm going to give titles to those sprints | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I'll send him a PM. | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | last month's sprint "the one with way too much things on it" | 00:03 |
| timelyx | thanks | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | and this month's "the one nobody knew anything about" | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ logs'll be there whenever X-Fade posts them. | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, thanks | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I thought it was on the 22nd for some reason. | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | 4 days ago the wiki page was empty as hell | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | well, not that hell has been near emptiness at any point, but still | 00:04 |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint 3 review meeting in #maemo-meeting is complete https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org" | 00:04 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org seems to be held together with bailing wire at the moment | 00:05 |
| andre___ | crashanddie, that's quite normal because people were working on Sprint3 at that time ;-) | 00:05 |
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| crashanddie | andre___, oh btw, you the one I talked about belgium after last sprint ? | 00:06 |
| andre___ | crashanddie, yes :) | 00:06 |
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| crashanddie | andre___, I managed to get the 1h30 long video about Belgium splitting | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | andre___, I can share a link if you want :) | 00:07 |
| andre___ | yes! :) | 00:07 |
| andre___ | great! | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | andre___, it's in french with dutch subs, it's the best I could get, really | 00:08 |
| andre___ | it's both fine, definitely | 00:09 |
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| andre___ | though i have to decide whether to listen or to read. hmm :) | 00:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, pinged. | 00:10 |
| timelyx | thx | 00:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes guenther had been at the sprint review so he could've poked him about the templates. | 00:15 | |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, he's got his birthday today. he should be back tomorrow | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:17 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has a birthday present for him. :D | 00:17 | |
| lardman | night all | 00:19 |
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| timelyx | andre___: so um | 00:20 |
| timelyx | 4.1+ sucks | 00:20 |
| timelyx | could we possibly use 4.1, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, ... ? | 00:20 |
| timelyx | i think you'll find there are going to be a number of those | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I doubt anybody will actually be able to say it'll be coming with that sort of certainty. | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bunch of Modest updates didn't make 30-2 | 00:21 |
| timelyx | well, predicting when things happen is hard | 00:21 |
| timelyx | but once they're resolved, it's certainly possible to fix things to the proper release | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Certainly | 00:22 |
| * crashanddie is tempted to add "Happy BDay Guenther !" in the topic, but considering the formal topics in this channel, resists | 00:23 | |
| andre___ | timelyx, it's been like always... i asked nokia folks, and nokia folks couldn't tell me any plans. from nowadays point of view i prefer .1 and .2 too, but at that time i had no idea whether nokia will have huge updates (like yesterday) or maybe release only one package at a time | 00:23 |
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| andre___ | at least it would make querying for changes included in version X a little bit easier | 00:24 |
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| andre___ | but i agree that "4.1+" is becoming vague now, especially if there's going to be a second update | 00:25 |
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| andre___ | ...the General agrees here? that's nearly a bugsquad majority then ;-) | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a strong opinion either way | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are issues with both implementations | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But 4.1+ is really ugly | 00:26 |
| andre___ | what's the issues with having .1 and .2? | 00:26 |
| andre___ | yeah, i expected smaller and more often updates at that time | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's likely to piss some people off when Nokia doesn't ship fixes according to the TM. | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | you know, there's always a way | 00:27 |
| timelyx | fwiw, one approach you can use | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | ship a new update, every wednesday (or other day of the week) | 00:27 |
| timelyx | is make a 4.1+ | 00:27 |
| timelyx | and then rename it to 4.1.1 | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | even if there's no real work :P | 00:27 |
| timelyx | and then make a new 4.1+ | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | (done) | 00:27 |
| timelyx | and move things out that miss the boat | 00:27 |
| timelyx | in the case where very few things actually make the boat | 00:27 |
| timelyx | just make 4.1 | 00:27 |
| timelyx | err 4.1.1 | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weeklies are how they do it for the internal testing. | 00:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles guesses he should remove the maemo logo from the ITOS article. . . . | 00:28 | |
| crashanddie | bimonthly would be nice, too | 00:28 |
| timelyx | don't expect weeklies for public releases | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | why not ? | 00:29 |
| timelyx | because weekly is our increment of work | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | just make two versions, bleeding edge, and stable | 00:29 |
| timelyx | um | 00:29 |
| timelyx | splitting qa is bad | 00:29 |
| timelyx | we're already splitting engineering | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | bleh, splitting engineers isn't that hard | 00:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets out a chainsaw. | 00:30 | |
| crashanddie | just a nice big whack with an axe | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, polluter | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and proud of it! | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, think of the children ! | 00:30 |
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| andre___ | well, current update has a 30 in it. it was made public in 33. i don't think weekly public updates make sense right now, while having a beta of fremantle will make sense (different topic) | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternative answer: but it's a hybrid! | 00:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish I had an answer for the wikipedia branding. | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, using hybrid doesn't make you eco-friendly, it just makes you a sheep who buys the marketing's latest invention | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 00:31 |
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| crashanddie | timelyx, I know we'll never see weekly/bimonthly updates, it's just wishful thinking | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | though, am I right in believing the browser has gained some serious speed ? | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | or just placebo effect ? | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has gained speed. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially with opening/closing windows. | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | well, I've been feeling loading pages is quite faster | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | quite a bit, actually | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had a bit of a "this is where we should've been in 2005" moment when I used it. | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | lol | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | 2005 ? With the 770 ? | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you know, if people had started off seeing the NIT for what it was, instead of porting huge code-bases and then blaming the hardware for not being fast enough, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't wait for Fremantle MicroB. | 00:35 | |
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| crashanddie | I'm not waiting for MicroB anymore | 00:35 |
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| crashanddie | I think I'm going to start writing my own browser | 00:35 |
| XTL | I never was | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | [clarkson] How hard can it be? [/clarkson] | 00:36 |
| XTL | :-D | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | well, not the whole browser, obviously | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | but, things like the UI, stuff like that | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | A need MicroB front-end not crippled by Nokia would be nice, though. | 00:36 |
| gregorovius | hey... I'm curious about ogg vorbis in diablo, anyone knows when it might be ready? | 00:36 |
| gregorovius | s/ogg vorbis/ogg vorbis support/ | 00:37 |
| infobot | gregorovius meant: hey... I'm curious about ogg vorbis support in diablo, anyone knows when it might be ready? | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | like, not having the boggled menus in the way, taking up god knows how much screen real estate | 00:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, held up by managers and lawyers. . . . | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | having panning feel snippy and good responsiveness | 00:37 |
| timelyx | crashanddie: contribute to fennec :) | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | I'm tired of sluggish browsers | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | xul is such a space eater | 00:38 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 00:38 | |
| crashanddie | Do you guys know fennec is slang for something not nice in french ? | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | (but then again, almost everything is) | 00:38 |
| timelyx | fennec argues that you'll have no onscreen space spent on xul | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox | 00:38 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you ever seen one of those ? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | I mean, for real ? | 00:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Likely at a zoo somewhere, but I couldn't say for certain. ;) | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | those things STINK ! | 00:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Most animals do. ;) | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | no | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | most animals have an odour | 00:40 |
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| crashanddie | Fennecs stink | 00:40 |
| gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: what do you mean? it's already working but held up by burocracy? | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | timelyx, I've been thinking about it | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, I don't know about anything Nokia has internally, but it's not really technical issues holding things up. | 00:41 |
| Sargun | Nokia is having some weirdness | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They were weird about OGG in HTML 5. | 00:41 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm going to watch 28 weeks later | 00:42 |
| gregorovius | is there any way to unoficially fix this in the meanwhile? I installed mogg from the chinook repo and youamp, but I'd rather use ogg-support with canola | 00:42 |
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| crashanddie | I need to fry my brain a bit with poor acting | 00:42 |
| dmz | anyone happen to know if a headset+mic that works with the nokia n810? (other than what came with it, a real headset for skype or sip) | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, action's pretty good | 00:43 |
| pupnik | TO UNDERSTAND GEORGIA LISTEN TO THIS http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/4102/Anti-War_Radio_%2811am_on_Aug_12th%2C_2008%29.mp3 | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | how doesn't the one that came with it not work, dmz ? | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sniper scene is quite a thing to watch. | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, no spoilers, kthxbai | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | dmz, and other than that, I use the Nokia BT earpiece... 300 something | 00:44 |
| dmz | crashanddie i need a better quality, i want it to not fall off, have better pick-up. i have a good headset for my cisco voip phone, good headset=good quality call | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | dmz, from my experience (been on the SIP phone nearly 6 hours, today only), the call quality depends highly on the other end phone | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | dmz, with my mother, there's horrible buzzing and echo, with my gf, the call is fine, really, quite awesome actually | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmz, it's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm plug. | 00:45 |
| dmz | my cisco 7960 has great quality, when i tried my nokia it sounded grainy | 00:45 |
| dmz | generalantilles, thank you that's what i needed | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you's unlocked package may be causing some weirdness. . . . | 00:46 |
| Sargun | I like my Polycom IP501 | 00:48 |
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| crashanddie | lol... Proof of challenged Cops: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6086/image001rv5.jpg | 00:49 |
| amr | 07 seems to be playing nicely | 00:51 |
| amr | now i need to add my repos back in :< | 00:51 |
| amr | is maemo.org/downloads being funny for anyony else? | 00:52 |
| amr | getting errors from squid | 00:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | amr, the sites split up over two datacenters and was just moved this morning. | 00:53 |
| amr | ahh | 00:53 |
| amr | that'd answer it | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just keep reloading until it works. | 00:53 |
| amr | hitting f5 a bunch of times seems to work | 00:53 |
| amr | ah yea | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Server upgrade are imminent | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll probably be up to speed in a couple weeks. | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/upgrade/upgrades/ | 00:53 |
| amr | what codename is 07? bora? | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2008/4.0 is Chinook | 00:54 |
| amr | swish | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2008/4.1 Diablo | 00:54 |
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| khertan | Hi again | 01:03 |
| khertan | autobuilder problem is still not resolved ? | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | khertan, ISP-side, doubtful. | 01:04 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: does maemo is hosted on a free ISP ? | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it, doesn't it. ;) | 01:05 |
| khertan | so this is really a winmodem driver problem with the 33.6k modem | 01:05 |
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| khertan | thx for the info GeneralAntilles | 01:06 |
| khertan | so ... i ll go sleeping | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | They firewalled off the autobuilder machine or something stupid | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 01:06 |
| khertan | good night | 01:06 |
| * GAN800 is really digging Modest for mobile use. | 01:07 | |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: really? Modest seems to be really slow | 01:10 |
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| summatusmentis | althouhg i'm using IMAP, and 1x connection | 01:10 |
| GAN800 | lol. . . . | 01:10 |
| GAN800 | The application list just keeps looking better. | 01:12 |
| amr | i wish openssh would install faster :( | 01:13 |
| amr | ah there we go | 01:13 |
| GAN800 | Keys have to be generated | 01:13 |
| GAN800 | Slow on 252MHz. ;) | 01:13 |
| amr | yeah, heh | 01:14 |
| amr | ok, it says it changed my root password | 01:14 |
| amr | but it didn't? | 01:14 |
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| GAN800 | did it give you a prompt? | 01:14 |
| amr | it did | 01:14 |
| amr | i entered a new password | 01:14 |
| amr | but sudo -s says the password is wrong | 01:14 |
| GAN800 | You entered a new password there? | 01:15 |
| amr | yea | 01:15 |
| GAN800 | oh | 01:15 |
| amr | hrm | 01:15 |
| GAN800 | user password wasn't set | 01:15 |
| amr | hm? | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, you know what's surprising about 28 weeks/days later ? | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, I've seen *loads* of gore flicks, even the worst you can imagine. But 28* are part of the very few that still scare the shit out of me | 01:16 |
| amr | can't wait for 28 months later | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | 28 years :/ | 01:16 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 01:16 |
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| crashanddie | 28 generations | 01:16 |
| amr | lol | 01:16 |
| amr | can keep it going for a while | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | 28 centuries | 01:17 |
| amr | hm, shag | 01:17 |
| GAN800 | I don't remember the last horror flick that really got to me. | 01:17 |
| amr | i wonder if i reinstall becomeroot it will work? | 01:17 |
| GAN800 | amr, do | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | after a while, people won't even remember what the first one was... "yeah, but 28 x later than what ?" | 01:17 |
| amr | ok, i'll give it a whack | 01:17 |
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| amr | it appears not | 01:18 |
| amr | still asks for password :( | 01:18 |
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| GAN800 | sudo gainroot4 | 01:18 |
| GAN800 | sudo gainroot | 01:18 |
| amr | my bad | 01:19 |
| amr | it did work, i typo'd | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | sudo uses user password | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is no user password | 01:19 |
| amr | yeah | 01:19 |
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| Sargun | How many packages are in the SDK? | 01:28 |
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| amr | let's see if i disabled psm right | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, lots. | 01:29 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, decimal? | 01:29 |
| Sargun | I'm wondering if this will finish today. | 01:29 |
| Sargun | 92% [485 libsmbclient-dbg 11222/831kB 1%] 7779B/s 27m54s | 01:29 |
| Sargun | How long do I have left? | 01:30 |
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| Sargun | a staffer? | 01:32 |
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| crashanddie | wut, you think staff isn't allowed in #maemo ? | 01:33 |
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| crashanddie | Welcome denny, how may we help you ? | 01:33 |
| Sargun | Staff is sort of like the secret police | 01:33 |
| Sargun | they only come out when they want to screw with something | 01:33 |
| denny | I'm okay thanks... haven't broken my 810 lately :) | 01:33 |
| * denny laughs | 01:34 | |
| crashanddie | hah :) | 01:34 |
| Sargun | ;-P | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | see Sargun, told ya | 01:34 |
| Sargun | Sureeee. | 01:34 |
| Sargun | maemo.org has been acting really odd lately. | 01:34 |
| denny | I should do the A-GPS upgrade at some point | 01:34 |
| denny | be nice to have GPS that actually worked | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, it's in two datacenters at the moment. | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be happy it's up at all. ;) | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | denny, well, you'll need to have internet connectivity | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | denny, A-GPS really only is a show-and-tell helper for the GPS to start with | 01:35 |
| * denny nods | 01:35 | |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, do you work for Nokia? | 01:35 |
| denny | that's what it needs though | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, no, just an enthusiastic community member. | 01:35 |
| denny | same chip as the N82 I have, but that gets initial location from cell masts | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | no, GeneralAntilles is just a student in his pants | 01:35 |
| denny | locks in seconds | 01:35 |
| pupnik | fuckin make babies | 01:35 |
| pupnik | and make sure they grow up ok | 01:35 |
| pupnik | then you have some spawn for when you die | 01:35 |
| pupnik | what the bitch likes for music or politics is NOT IMPORTANT | 01:35 |
| denny | whereas the N810 can fail to lock for 10, 20 minutes | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, wut the hell ? | 01:36 |
| andre___ | crashanddie, pants? what's the webcam URL? | 01:36 |
| Sargun | Isn't it going to retry: | 01:36 |
| Sargun | 01:36 | |
| Sargun | Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libx11-6-dbg 2:1.1.1-1osso3 | 01:36 |
| Sargun | Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 69.26.190.58 80] | 01:36 |
| Sargun | Get:502 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libxau6-dbg 1:1.0.3-2osso1 [15.0kB] | 01:36 |
| Sargun | :-/ | 01:36 |
| Sargun | or will it quit | 01:36 |
| Sargun | and fail. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, give it a day or two. | 01:36 |
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| crashanddie | Sargun, wget will retry, and resume where possible | 01:36 |
| Sargun | Is that wget? | 01:36 |
| pupnik | if you like linux, make babies.. crashanddie | 01:36 |
| Sargun | babies! | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, weed is bad for your health, worse yet, it's bad for y00 karm4 | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | pupnik-- | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik's plan for populating the world with Linux babies. :D | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | I think we'll be facing extinction soon the | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | s/the/then/ | 01:38 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: I think we'll be facing extinction soon then | 01:38 |
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| * crashanddie ponders lighting a fag in his non-smoking flat... | 01:38 | |
| pupnik | everyone in #maemo must have MANY SPAWN | 01:38 |
| pupnik | we're talkin obscene amounts of children | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik's child army | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | denny, no but really, can we do something for you ? You're giving me the creeps, just sitting there, saying nothing :P | 01:39 |
| Sargun | Can I paste 5 lines? | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | denny, use your NIT, and don't login :P | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, he's here frequently. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watching you. | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | yeah I know | 01:39 |
| andre___ | Sargun: five?!?! ;-) | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | that's the problem | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | Sargun, slexy.org | 01:39 |
| Sargun | http://pastebin.ca/1168795 | 01:39 |
| Sargun | fine. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's like Ceiling Freenode Staffer. ;) | 01:39 |
| Sargun | anyways | 01:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles had 3 staffers in a 10-person clan channel for a little while. | 01:40 | |
| Sargun | how do I got about fixing | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | yeah, and he just needs to look weird at a router, and there's a Freenode Catastaffee | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | servers going down, services bouncing back and forth | 01:40 |
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| crashanddie | btw | 01:42 |
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| crashanddie | Isn't it really *sad* how the Contact feature in OS2008 doesn't even permit you to save an actual *home address* | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | and I'm guessing, the saddest part, is that nobody actually noticed up till now | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | </sarcasm> | 01:43 |
| andre___ | there IS a bug report for it | 01:43 |
| andre___ | so you're not the only one | 01:43 |
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| crashanddie | ok | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | how do I have to spell it out so people notice the </sarcasm> tag ? | 01:44 |
| * Sargun crosses his fingers | 01:44 | |
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| Sargun | crashanddie, SARCASM!!!111!!11!!! | 01:44 |
| andre___ | home address? is that this place where people live in reallife? | 01:44 |
| Sargun | andre___, Yes, its obsolete. | 01:44 |
| Sargun | Nokia is moving techforward. Where people's homes are not existent | 01:45 |
| andre___ | i heard stories from my parents about it | 01:45 |
| Sargun | or used | 01:45 |
| Sargun | we will all use teleporters | 01:45 |
| andre___ | i have an astral body projection for that stuff | 01:45 |
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| crashanddie | Sometimes I wonder if you guys just want to get into bash.org, or if you really believe the joke isn't old after 7 lines ? | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who voted this guy the humor police? :P | 01:47 |
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| andre___ | what joke? | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | No one voted, you thought this was a democracy ? | 01:47 |
| andre___ | democracy never worked out. | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | and btw, it's "humour" :P | 01:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles pulls out his op. | 01:48 | |
| andre___ | best parades and shows are still done by regimes, see the olympics opening for example. hence there's a good reason for regimes to exist | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, parades! | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | andre___, have you ever seen the red army dancers remixed to RunDMC ? | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The good thing is that with HDTV you don't even need to be a part of one to see them! | 01:49 |
| andre___ | nope :) | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, looks like they got a little West Side Story going on there for a second. | 01:50 |
| dmsuperman | I have an n800, with os2008 (the diablo one) and I want to use maemo mapper with a gps device. Can anybody suggest a particular model or place to look for a bluetooth gps adapter for about 50 bucks? | 01:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 737 | 01:51 |
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| crashanddie | will even work in a boeing | 01:52 |
| dmsuperman | where's that sold at? | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | boeings ? Wow, you're asking in the wrong channel... Ask your local airport | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | dmsuperman, http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4 | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Local airport? | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like, contoct Boeing directly. | 01:55 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, or concoct a hijacking | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/contoct/contact/ | 01:55 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: More like, contact Boeing directly. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | :P | 01:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles really hates this keyboard. | 01:55 | |
| * crashanddie IS ON FIYA | 01:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mushy, hard to push Apple piece of crap. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | oh, yeah, those are terrible | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I took my backup Unicomp board back up north for some reason. | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | I don't really like the space there's between each key | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should order another one. . . . | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an old one. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plastic | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | White | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | yeah, grey now | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5936/directinapplexq7.jpg | 01:57 |
| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, how good is it? does it usually take ages to find itself? does it interact with maemo mapper well? | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | oh btw | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, about as good as they get for that price. | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | GA | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | CAD | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | anyone blaming the keyboard, when they type "contoct" instead of "contact", really needs to open the excuse book again :D | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, the whole keyboard throws off my fingers. | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | that's just finger fail | 01:58 |
| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, would you suggest it or don't bother at that price? | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmsuperman, buybuybuy. | 01:58 |
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| dmsuperman | GeneralAntilles, awesome, thanks :D | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | dmsuperman, i-blue make incredible good hardware | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | My point was more that, "Well, it's no 1000Hz $500 jet fighter GPS, but it'll do." ;) | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | +0 | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually +2x0 | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | just use s/// | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | cuz +2x0 doesn't make a lot of sense | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just go fall off a cliff. | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | GPS tells me closest is Dover | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and do as your name says. :P | 01:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants a 100Hz GPS | 02:00 | |
| crashanddie | I am wondering tonight, in the sun, on a bus to Dover | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | Could you freeze me in, and defrost me when it's over... | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's the internet in the UK? | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | well | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | quite comparable to the one I had in France | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | it even has the same websites and everything | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's good. | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | I thought I'd be completely lost, but I got lucky I guess | 02:02 |
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| amr | :( | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | finding a country which shares the same internet | 02:02 |
| m-vo | Dudes, there is a OS update for diablo. Did anyone notice? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad you didn't move to China, you get a whole new internet! | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | m-vo, why did it disable maemo Extras for me. >:( | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I think I would've lost a fair bit of internet, not got a new one :P | 02:02 |
| m-vo | Did it? Damn. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | nokia-repositories package | 02:02 |
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| * crashanddie lights a fag, I know, I shouldn't | 02:03 | |
| Sargun | yaay | 02:03 |
| Sargun | maemo-sdk is installing | 02:03 |
| Sargun | m-vo, can't we just update from the application manager? | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, m-vo, people noticed. ;) | 02:03 |
| m-vo | Ahh, yes, last minute changes to nokia-repository... | 02:04 |
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| crashanddie | OOOoooh, so that's what the big orange icon was... | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:04 |
| m-vo | GeneralAntilles, cool, I'm on vacation right now, I nearly missed it. | 02:04 |
| * crashanddie doesn't see the point between vacation and noticing an update | 02:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:05 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, can't we just update from the application manager? | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | Sargun, yes, we can | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, you should be updating from the application manager. | 02:05 |
| * Sargun checks for updates | 02:05 | |
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| m-vo | It's the first update via deb packages! It's a milestone! There should be more huzzah. :-) | 02:05 |
| Sargun | huzzah. | 02:05 |
| amr | Upgrading microb-browser 0.0.8-3 to 0.0.8-4: apt-worker: Not handling unrelated package libacl1. E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libgtk2.0-0 package | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | the whole point of app man updates is the click and forget it provides | 02:05 |
| Sargun | my package manager doesn't see anything | 02:05 |
| Sargun | application manager. | 02:06 |
| amr | i broke :( | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | m-vo, I think most people are thinking more along the lines of "Well, we're finally about where my laptop has been for the last 8 years." ;) | 02:06 |
| m-vo | crashanddie, I work on that stuff and normally I know when things like this happen. | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | m-vo, who you work for ? | 02:06 |
| m-vo | Nokia. | 02:06 |
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| crashanddie | you couldn't get me a job at Farnborough could ya ? | 02:07 |
| Sargun | repository.maemo.org is messed up | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, quite probably. | 02:07 |
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| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, Where are they moving to? (DC wise) | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | Somewhere near AC | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, dunno. | 02:08 |
| m-vo | crashanddie, nope, 'fraid not.. :) | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somewhere with faster servers soon enough. | 02:08 |
| Guest25897 | I have been told that 2008HE was fairly stable on the n770, but I have just flashed it and I can't even open the web browser without it restarting. What did I do wrong? Can anyone help me debug this? | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | oh well, it was worth the try | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | 770, there's no n | 02:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, did you enable swap? | 02:09 |
| Guest25897 | virtual memory was already enabled and set for 64mbs | 02:09 |
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| Guest25897 | crashanddie :) | 02:10 |
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| Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: was there something else I needed to do? | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just weird otherwise. | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | Guest25897, could try to launch the browser from the command line, and redirect the output to a file, so you can see if there are any error messages ? | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap, I can't remember the update repo username now. <_< | 02:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles digs up the patch. | 02:12 | |
| Guest25897 | could it have something to do with the card being too slow? I did not use the fanoush kernel | 02:12 |
| Guest25897 | crashanddie: sure | 02:12 |
| atka__ | goodnight all | 02:13 |
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| Guest25897 | Hmm this time it worked... maybe virtual mem was not enabled and going to memory it automatically enabled it? Doesn't make sense... | 02:14 |
| amr | well that's odd | 02:16 |
| amr | my menus on the left | 02:16 |
| amr | sometimes are big icons, some are small | 02:16 |
| amr | sometimes* | 02:16 |
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| Guest25897 | it grows to big icons when it detects what it believes is a inger press rather than a stylus | 02:17 |
| Guest25897 | amr: It's actually a nice feature once you figure out what the heck it is doing | 02:18 |
| amr | oh, that's kinda awesome | 02:18 |
| Guest25897 | yea :) | 02:19 |
| Guest25897 | ok so I heard the sound out of the speaker was unhearable....it doesn't seem that bad to me | 02:21 |
| Guest25897 | as a matter of fact I just turned the volume up and it seems quite loud | 02:22 |
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| crashanddie | earlier today, some guy in my street wanted to place a call to his gf in France | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | and considering I have free SIP to France, I handed over my NIT | 02:25 |
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| amr | Guest25897 yeah i had that problem, sound was really poor | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | he dialed the number, and put the NIT to his face | 02:26 |
| amr | 07 seems to be fine though | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | sound was maxed out | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | his ear started bleeding when his gf said "HELLO ???" | 02:26 |
| Guest25897 | I cant figure out why it is fine, I thought it was a universal problem with 2008he on 770 | 02:26 |
| m-vo | crashanddie, it's not a phone! :-) | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | yeah, *I* know :D | 02:27 |
| Guest25897 | I am really liking the feel of 2008 | 02:27 |
| amr | what program does everyone here use for their twitter updates? | 02:27 |
| Sargun | I wonder when the DC move will be complete. | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | we don't twitter | 02:28 |
| amr | :( | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | twitter is for people who are not cool enough to own an NIT | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | amr, try Mauku? | 02:28 |
| Sargun | crashanddie, doesn't Nokia have a twitter clone? | 02:28 |
| amr | NIT? | 02:28 |
| Sargun | NIT? | 02:28 |
| amr | oh | 02:28 |
| Sargun | ahaha | 02:28 |
| kpel | twitter bad | 02:28 |
| amr | nokia internet tablet | 02:28 |
| amr | hah | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | They just added twitter support. | 02:28 |
| Sargun | Nokia internet tablet | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~NIT | 02:28 |
| amr | oh sweet, cheers GeneralAntilles | 02:28 |
| Sargun | Nokia should do their own server. | 02:28 |
| Sargun | err, service. | 02:28 |
| Sargun | they are better than that | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~NIT is Nokia Internet Tablet | 02:29 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 02:29 |
| kpel | http://uk.weather.yahoo.com/UKXX/UKXX0085/index_c.html | 02:30 |
| kpel | the weather is unknown... nice prediction :P | 02:31 |
| Sargun | Urbanista diaries FTW | 02:31 |
| Guest25897 | so flipping the screen made everything unusable, is that usual? | 02:31 |
| amr | hm? | 02:32 |
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| Sargun | You guys, Urbanista diaries is down | 02:32 |
| Guest25897 | in 2008 there is an option to change screen orientation, doing so chops things up and leaves things unusable | 02:33 |
| amr | oh | 02:33 |
| amr | eep | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, did you install Advanced Backlight? | 02:33 |
| Guest25897 | yea.. | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rotation detection is broken on the 770 for some reason | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still need to poke rm_you about that. . . | 02:33 |
| Guest25897 | ok I will be sure to uninstall it them | 02:33 |
| Guest25897 | *then | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd need a patched xserver and kernel to rotate | 02:34 |
| amr | as in a gyro GeneralAntilles? | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, you can use it | 02:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just don't touch the rotation controls. | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | A reboot will fix it. | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry for the mix up. :( | 02:34 |
| Guest25897 | well I don't want to be showing it off to someone and them do that to it... | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fair enough | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you is away for a little while | 02:35 |
| Guest25897 | but SOUND WORKS! | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm make him fix it when he gets back. | 02:35 |
| Guest25897 | whoever fixed that has made me quite happy | 02:35 |
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| amr | hm | 02:36 |
| amr | looks like i need skype-installer for mauku | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you remove it? | 02:37 |
| amr | i haven't touched it | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually don't know if they've compiled a version for OS2007. | 02:37 |
| amr | if i go into installed programs i don't see it though | 02:37 |
| amr | h | 02:38 |
| amr | ah* | 02:38 |
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| amr | so mauku might not work? | 02:38 |
| amr | screw it, i'll use the twitter site | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just order that N800. ;) | 02:38 |
| Guest25897 | the only thing with that is it takes a solid minute to fire up the borwser and load twitters site | 02:38 |
| Guest25897 | can't type today... | 02:39 |
| amr | heh, looks like i'll have to! | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, advanced backlight enables support for rotation ? | 02:40 |
| Guest25897 | hmm, I wonder if tehre are any command-line twitter clients | 02:40 |
| iXce | Guest25897: there are | 02:41 |
| amr | mitter looks to be one | 02:41 |
| iXce | twyt is a good one | 02:41 |
| amr | mauku is indeed working now | 02:41 |
| Guest25897 | so one of those should be fairly easily ported if they haven't been already. I still don't have to rely on going to the site | 02:41 |
| amr | apparently the install error means nothing | 02:41 |
| Guest25897 | heh, well forget command line then | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. | 02:45 |
| Guest25897 | has maemo-mapper been moved to a main repo? | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just provides controls for it if you have rotation support installed. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, it's in most of the Extras repos. | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, rotation should really be made easy | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not Diablo Extras, yet, unfortunately. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, qwerty12 and jott are working on it. | 02:46 |
| Guest25897 | crashanddie: rotation is not overly simple | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually pretty easy to do as a deb install with Diablo. | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, like for instance, now that there's this update to Diablo, I don't know if I should use the files provided in the ITT wiki | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just need a way to get the correct osso-software-version-rx*3-unlocked on the device. | 02:47 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, I'm going to wait for qwertypants to show up and tell me what to do | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | cuz I've reflashed way too often these days :P | 02:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eh, install his Diablo packages. | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | A rotation support metapackage with the kernel in Extras-devel would be both cool and fairly straightforward. | 02:51 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you telling me if I install the diablo flasher, libxrandr, and xomap, I'll be fine? | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 | 02:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just install those 4 packages in that order. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then flash-and-reboot to flash the kernel | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll be good as gold | 02:54 |
| Sargun | Alright, I've gotten Maemo. | 02:55 |
| Sargun | Now to get Moko. | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an active Facebook account want to try to reproduce this? | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3567 | 03:00 |
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| Guest25897 | sure installing some stuff right now, give me a minute | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, you'd need 4.2008.30-2 | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But thanks for offering. :) | 03:05 |
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| Guest25897 | heh woops I just saw 2008 and kept goin... | 03:05 |
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| Guest25897 | hmm do you know of any problems with maemo-mapper on 2008he? It can't find my gps | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | None that I know of. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It worked fine here last time I checked. | 03:07 |
| Guest25897 | it sat spinning for a good 10 minutes looking for my bluetooth gps | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the MAC in there and such? | 03:08 |
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| Guest25897 | nope | 03:08 |
| Guest25897 | never showed up | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Scan...? | 03:08 |
| Guest25897 | LOL | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Bluetooth is turned on, right? | 03:09 |
| Guest25897 | yea I did ... thats where it was spinning | 03:09 |
| Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: Just restarted, I am going to kick myself if it wasn't... | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | cheers GeneralAntilles :) Rotation is nice :) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially with adv-backlight. ;) | 03:09 |
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| crashanddie | I thought it'd be more sluggish | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, hardware rotation | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No performance hit | 03:10 |
| Guest25897 | oooh | 03:10 |
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| Guest25897 | that wouldn't work on the 770 right? | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so nice, in fact, that you should go here and expound on its virtues. :P http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guest25897, 770 has support, too | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the last package set I saw was for OS2005 | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | panning a webpage in 90 degree view does show a few artefacts, though | 03:11 |
| Guest25897 | heh, so same instructions as that link you posted a while back? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know if anybody has patched and packaged anything more recent for the 770. | 03:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles still can't get over more than 23,000 downloads. | 03:12 | |
| crashanddie | sometimes I feel so sorry for 770 users | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I sometimes feel sorry for 386 users too. :P | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | it's like, they're almost able to do everything n8x0 users | 03:12 |
| Guest25897 | GeneralAntilles: don't, I paid $80 for mine a year ago, it was well worth it | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | but nobody bothered to make it easy | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | People develop for what they have | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most developers either don't have a 770 or don't have time to focus on legacy support. | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | yeah I know, I'm not making a case for them | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | it's just, a bit sad, sometimes | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cruel | 03:13 |
| Guest25897 | I plan on doing a good bit of development work to have my 770 interface via bluetooth with a robotics project I am working on this year | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually a big conspiracy | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're all laughing quietly at them behind our hands. ;) | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | it's like, everywhere, we've hung posters with "technically, it could be done. But frankly, you should get yourself something up to date, you cheap bastard" | 03:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's exactly it. | 03:14 |
| Guest25897 | btw I am an idiot, bluetooth was off | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper isn't super-smart about stuff like that | 03:14 |
| trev0r | you idiot | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll happily chug along and never tell you. ;) | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | you're called trev0r, you're not allowed to insult people | 03:15 |
| trev0r | what about my name? | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, bring out the lame meter! | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer trev0r | 03:16 |
| infobot | 'trev0r' is 97.280% lame, crashanddie | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | OUCH | 03:16 |
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| trev0r | nice | 03:16 |
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| trev0r | who do you tell mapper to download maps for say an entire state? | 03:18 |
| trev0r | how | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frame the state in your view | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu, tap maps, tap manage maps... | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Area, select your zoom levels. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then read the help. | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, remember how you said the nickometer sucked, because you were hoping it checked the logs or something ? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since it covers this stuff. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yes. | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I was just thinking | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm fucking lucky it doesn't that :D | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 03:19 |
| nomis | ~nickometer nickometer | 03:20 |
| infobot | 'nickometer' is 0.000% lame, nomis | 03:20 |
| nomis | riiight! :) | 03:20 |
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| crashanddie | ~nickometer n1cK0M3t3r | 03:20 |
| infobot | 'n1cK0M3t3r' is 99.510% lame, crashanddie | 03:20 |
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| nomis | ~nickometer nomis | 03:21 |
| infobot | 'nomis' is 0.000% lame, nomis | 03:21 |
| nomis | *phew* | 03:21 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, so, you're a student right ? | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | How many years left ? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2-3 | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | you're on summer break, right ? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Couple weeks left | 03:23 |
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| crashanddie | and you're not working your ass off at mcdonalds ? | 03:23 |
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| crashanddie | what do you live on ? Pasta and donations ? | 03:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was doing some code compliance stuff at the old bookstore I work/worked for. | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I just got back from vacation and haven't yet gone back. | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spent most of the summer with summer classes. | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | awesome summer '-_- | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | I'm glad I'm done studying | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | I'd be gladder if I had a job, honestly | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | but still, it feels good when it's over | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Write some cool Maemo apps | 03:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and be sure to make them "killer". ;) | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | Yeah yeah yeah | 03:27 |
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| crashanddie | I'm doing some stuff | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imagine if "killer apps" were actually killer? | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | :shudder: | 03:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By the way, how'd the site turn out? | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | I got fucked | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | I was supposed to install everything and go live a few days before moving to London | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | But it being french bureaucracy | 03:28 |
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| christefano | what's the best way to mount my tablet's file system over the network? do you guys use SSHFS? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | sshfs is a good answer | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | or just use straight sftp | 03:29 |
| lcuk | christefano, faster is directly via usb of course, but no1 really bothers | 03:29 |
| christefano | is there a SMB server for the tablet? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there is | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | Well, let's just say they had stuff to do, which denied me from coming anywhere near the servers, so the app is ready, but not installed | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's just more unnecessary overhead. | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, awesome. | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | yeah... | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | And now I'm in London, nowhere near the servers | 03:30 |
| christefano | yeah, unless someone can recommend an SMB server or something I think I'll stick to SSHFS | 03:30 |
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| crashanddie | which probably means I'll tell them to shove it, or go down in september to install and get paid | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you should help with the maemo.org reorg. ;) | 03:30 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's such a lot I should do :P | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I can keep on giving you more. :D | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/, /and / | 03:31 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Yeahand I can keep on giving you more. :D | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ops | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | My whiteboard is already filled to the brim | 03:32 |
| * lcuk has an infinte blackboard | 03:32 | |
| crashanddie | HE'S ALIVE | 03:32 |
| lcuk | ish | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, where's my web content? :( | 03:32 |
| lcuk | ive been workin on somethin | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, IYA | 03:32 |
| lcuk | holy poo! | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | winnie ? | 03:33 |
| lcuk | s/poo/pooh | 03:33 |
| lcuk | damn | 03:33 |
| lcuk | why didnt it work? | 03:33 |
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| crashanddie | no trailing / | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You didn't close it. | 03:34 |
| lcuk | gen, ive been so carried away with things recently | 03:34 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | this is a working test | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | s/working// | 03:34 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: this is a test | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | bee or not to bee, that is the question | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah yeah yeah. :P | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | s/bee/be/g | 03:34 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: be or not to be, that is the question | 03:34 |
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| crashanddie | question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; | 03:35 |
| nomis | some test text to test infobot | 03:35 |
| nomis | s/test/taest/ | 03:35 |
| infobot | nomis meant: some taest text to test infobot | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, you suck. | 03:35 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | hahaha :D | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$50 | 03:36 |
| * infobot takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off | 03:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nasty bot. | 03:36 |
| nomis | ok, it respects replacement options :) | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | ~GA | 03:36 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ga is "go ahead" | 03:36 |
| * lcuk will be ready soon enough | 03:37 | |
| crashanddie | ~cookie | 03:37 |
| infobot | Hey crashanddie, zip 4243 is Lewiston Androscoggin ME | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | wtf? | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, for the end times? | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I've been doing some funky shit with liqbase | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's been making it display dirt words. | 03:38 |
| Guest25897 | ~lcuk | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | dirt words ? Oh yeah | 03:38 |
| lcuk | you arent the only one :) ive put in a proper layout model now | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/dirt/dirty/ | 03:38 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: He's been making it display dirty words. | 03:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles really hates this damn keyboard. | 03:38 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, like... Plugins? :-° | 03:38 |
| lcuk | i would hope so if required | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like a porn browser | 03:39 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:39 |
| lcuk | i have stepped back from the default main loop and im seeing how much i can do without a main cycle and what else i need | 03:40 |
| Guest25897 | bloody hell 2008 is restarting on me a lot... | 03:40 |
| lcuk | but i think i need a style gallery | 03:40 |
| lcuk | Guest25897, why did you ~me | 03:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, and I've also been thinkering about transition effects | 03:40 |
| lcuk | excellent | 03:40 |
| crashanddie | anyway, nothing showable at the moment | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | but we'll see | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | and, I'm pretty positive my camera is dead | 03:41 |
| lcuk | excellent :) | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | thank you for cheering the death of my webcam | 03:42 |
| lcuk | (!) image saving | 03:42 |
| lcuk | your actual 810 camera or is this 800 | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fuck crashanddie's camera. YEAH! | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I only have a n810 | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | the n800 was at school | 03:42 |
| lcuk | thats a bummer, did you try a reflash and no updates and only install camera | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | aye aye aye | 03:43 |
| lcuk | chinook? | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | aye aye aye | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | but it's worse than that, I don't even get a /dev/video0 anymore | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Warranty! | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, bought it on ebay from the states | 03:43 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what does dmesg say when you load camera | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | something activated, something deactivated | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "u suk crashanddie" | 03:44 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "bad touch! bad touch!" | 03:44 |
| * lcuk nearly woke the missus up on the first comment | 03:45 | |
| crashanddie | [ 2691.570312] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | [ 2695.500000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 03:45 |
| shapr | waargh! | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, shapr. :) | 03:45 |
| shapr | y0 GeneralAntilles, how's code? | 03:46 |
| shapr | I've been doing C# for months :-( | 03:46 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you get those anyway im sure thats not the camera is it? (i barely use my camera and i get them a lot) | 03:46 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I've been doing community stuff | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much code. | 03:46 |
| crashanddie | dunno then, true, I get those a lot | 03:46 |
| lcuk | shapr, i feel sorry for you | 03:46 |
| shapr | me too | 03:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No more Haskell? | 03:46 |
| shapr | Nah, that job is over. | 03:46 |
| lcuk | not to worry, i do vb classic in the daytime, but i wont move to .shit | 03:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I don't get anything notable in dmesg then | 03:47 |
| lcuk | try rebooting it and have a closer look at the log. you might find somethin | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I've spent hours on it, really | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I could try and let it fall on the ground | 03:48 |
| lcuk | well, thats whats up then isn't it. you've worm your doofer down | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget did post my update announcement. :( | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | there's something wrong there | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | either the smiley, or a lack of negation | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | stupid goddamn keyboard | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/did/didn't/ | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | there you go | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a maemo.org announcement and somebody else needs to tip them off. ;) | 03:50 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, do you have a /dev/video0 ? | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://dot.kde.org/1218580876/ | 03:52 |
| lcuk | no | 03:53 |
| lcuk | hang on | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | that's just sad, GA | 03:54 |
| lcuk | :D freebies | 03:55 |
| lcuk | i do have a video0, i thought it was a folder at first | 03:55 |
| lcuk | then when i catted it it gave invalid arg | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | ls /dev/vid* | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | ls: /dev/vid*: No such file or directory | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | which means it's not detected during boot/startup, thus either heavily damaged, or disconnected | 03:57 |
| lcuk | thats a bit cack | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do people think anybody cares what device they've decided to use? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213102#post213102 | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | either way, I need to get the special screwdrivers in order to access that part of the unit | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, because he feels guilty, disappointed, and beaten | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, he needs to feel superior, and lacks the courage to face the truth | 04:00 |
| shapr | GeneralAntilles: On the good side, my new job lets me live two miles from MIT. | 04:00 |
| shapr | MIT has a unicycling and juggling club :-) | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | I'm out of here | 04:01 |
| lcuk | gnite crashanddie | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I might just need to go to manchester for a coupla days, I'll have to crash at your place, k ? | 04:02 |
| GAN800 | night | 04:02 |
| lcuk | no | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | :'( | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | </3 | 04:03 |
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| GAN800 | lol | 04:03 |
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| ds3 | silly east coast rats | 04:03 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie got shut down. | 04:04 |
| * crashanddie throws lcuk into a pool of 4chan | 04:04 | |
| crashanddie | yeah... | 04:04 |
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| lcuk | gnite | 04:04 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk@NIT:~$ /etc/init.d/crashanddie stop | 04:05 |
| crashanddie | oh wow, I think he actually didn't appreciate that | 04:05 |
| crashanddie | (and for the record, I'm not planning to go anywhere near Manchester :-°) | 04:06 |
| GAN800 | He's a Windows user. | 04:06 |
| GAN800 | As he's dropping a nuke there. | 04:06 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, listen, our ATF file on you is big enough, so if you don't want it posted on youtube, I'd suggest you stop divulging our classified information all the time | 04:07 |
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| GAN800 | Woo, internet money time! | 04:07 |
| crashanddie | we'll drop our bombs wherever we please, thank you very much | 04:07 |
| GAN800 | I'n gonna be the most popular thing on youtube. | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, you'll even end up in South Park | 04:08 |
| crashanddie | anyway, peace | 04:08 |
| GAN800 | Take care | 04:09 |
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| Guest25897 | just flashed the fanoush kernel and it seems to have gotten worse | 04:42 |
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| Guest25897 | Ok so I am getting a bunch of reboots just doing everyday stuff and it seems to coincide with flashing the fanoush kernel on my 770. Also it seems that this does not happen with my mmc card out. I am running 2008HE. Any ideas what is going on? I used the same exact card that fanoush did all the testing with | 05:21 |
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| Sargun | How do I start hildon from within scratchbox? | 06:10 |
| Proteous | I have no idea | 06:10 |
| Proteous | thank you for runing my day by asking me a question that I don't know the answer too | 06:11 |
| * Proteous cries | 06:11 | |
| Proteous | ruining? | 06:11 |
| Proteous | I'M USELESS | 06:11 |
| Proteous | sometimes I wonder why I even idle in here | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the entertaining puns? :P | 06:11 |
| Proteous | that's probably it | 06:11 |
| Sargun | WTF | 06:12 |
| Proteous | maybe it's because the channel activity keeps my ssh session from timing out | 06:12 |
| Proteous | and I"m too lasy to enable keepalives | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's certainly why _my_ N800 idles here. ;) | 06:13 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:13 |
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| Proteous | sorry Sargun, people who know the answers to these questions aren't always around | 06:14 |
| Proteous | but sometimes they are | 06:14 |
| Sargun | Its all your faul | 06:14 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, you know | 06:14 |
| * Proteous cries | 06:14 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Scratchbox doesn't support my platform of choose very easily. | 06:15 |
| Proteous | windows 3.1? | 06:16 |
| Sargun | Gentoo? | 06:16 |
| Proteous | NEXT? | 06:17 |
| Proteous | OS2? | 06:17 |
| Proteous | BeOS? | 06:17 |
| Toba | PLAT FORM OF CHOOSE! | 06:17 |
| Proteous | Amiga? | 06:17 |
| Proteous | VMS? | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS X | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | on PPC | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/CHOOSE/CHOICE/ | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, I was writing up a whole bucket of win on itT. | 06:19 |
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| Proteous | lol | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't have attention to spare for some stupid IRC channel. :P | 06:19 |
| Proteous | stupid IRC | 06:19 |
| Proteous | it's like a yippy dog | 06:19 |
| Proteous | one you want to punt across the room | 06:19 |
| Proteous | or maybe must stup on, hard | 06:19 |
| Toba | no it is more like a mob of people just waiting for you to make a mistake | 06:19 |
| Proteous | step | 06:19 |
| Proteous | SO NEEDY | 06:20 |
| Proteous | ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW OR I WILL BE MAD AT YOU IRC CHANNEL | 06:20 |
| Sargun | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/ | 06:21 |
| Sargun | its down. | 06:21 |
| Proteous | To late, raaawwwwwwwww | 06:21 |
| Sargun | back. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | To anybody encountering maemo.org errors, just keep reloading until you get the page. | 06:23 |
| n800n | brilliant! | 06:24 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, ok. | 06:24 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, they are changing DCs still | 06:24 |
| Sargun | ? | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's evidently spread out over two | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the ISP is still getting everything configured | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Server upgrade are imminent, so hopefully we'll be much better off RSN | 06:25 |
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| n800n | logo=nice | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still think the R in .ORG is off | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was too small, now I think it's too big. | 06:30 |
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| n800n | can i see more submissions? | 06:31 |
| n800n | or just the 5 | 06:31 |
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| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, so you don't develop? | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The logo contest page is probably still up on the wiki' | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, no. | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm mostly just a community guy. | 06:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I would get into it if I felt like trying to get scratchbox to run | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that'll have to wait until I "upgrade" to an Intel Mac. | 06:32 |
| n800n | pyano's fun | 06:34 |
| n800n | any new music apps out lately? | 06:35 |
| n800n | ooh an qt | 06:37 |
| n800n | it's like christmas every couple weeks with maemo | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Qt was just pushed to Extras. | 06:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gnuton's working for Nokia now, too. | 06:39 |
| n800n | nice | 06:40 |
| Sargun | neat. | 06:40 |
| Sargun | I want to port my gesture recognition stuff to the n810. | 06:40 |
| Sargun | A while ago I wrote an app | 06:40 |
| Sargun | which used a tilt sensor | 06:40 |
| Sargun | to slide a map around. | 06:41 |
| Sargun | that was cool. | 06:41 |
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| Sargun | I'm not sure how well the N810 would handle Gesture recognition though | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hope the next tablet has an accelerometer built-in. | 06:42 |
| Sargun | I'm surprised they didn't do it with the N810 | 06:42 |
| Sargun | Then again the N810 is amazingly low cost | 06:42 |
| n800n | accelerometer wouldn't make much sense | 06:43 |
| n800n | it'd be fun tho | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not super useful | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not particularly costly or difficult for Nokia to add | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and would make for a cool hacker tool. | 06:44 |
| n800n | 4 cool games since my last app binge | 06:45 |
| n800n | hexahop, barrage, lierox, lbreakout | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | MadBomber | 06:48 |
| n800n | i was going down alphabetically | 06:49 |
| n800n | i dont think i got to m | 06:49 |
| n800n | hsh yeah this is fun | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo Extras is really picking up. | 06:55 |
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| Proteous | diablo3 looks cool | 06:56 |
| n800n | i was really hoping for a fbreader update | 06:58 |
| Grackle | johnx, Stskeeps, the deblet project site instructions don't work with diablo.. The diablo sdk tools don't include subversion. | 06:58 |
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| GAN800 | Hi, konttori. :) | 07:27 |
| konttori | GAN800: Hi | 07:27 |
| konttori | I just commented on the https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 bug | 07:27 |
| konttori | Indeed it's an issue (GeneralAntilles) | 07:27 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, that one got to me. :/ | 07:28 |
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| GAN800 | lol, khertan. :D | 07:45 |
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| khertan | :) | 07:58 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: i think you talk about one post in itt ;) | 07:59 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, yeah, I loled rather loudly. ;) | 08:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Grackle: could you put it on trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet as a bug then? .. diablo seems to be a bit retarded about repos :P | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Grackle: and maybe indicate in bug report where subversion is then | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Grackle: we're prolly going to make it into a .install file or something, that pulls down the right dependancies from the right repos or something | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | so it gets the dependancies that way | 09:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:17 |
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| moontiger | hi khertan :) is there a problem with the latest version of mcalendar that you are aware of? | 09:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep | 09:22 |
| moontiger | wow lots of khertans here tonight | 09:22 |
| moontiger | ok cool ... just making sure it wasnt me | 09:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | the problem :) | 09:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | the problem is corrected on 0.3.8 | 09:22 |
| moontiger | yeah heh | 09:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | but not yet available in repository | 09:23 |
| * moontiger stops checking for updates | 09:23 | |
| Khertan_n810 | as extras builder is broken | 09:23 |
| moontiger | cool ... the prefs screens | 09:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | once extras builder will not be amnesiac | 09:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll upload it | 09:24 |
| moontiger | btw i tried everything i could think of to get the settings menu to appear but i have no clue ... as im sure comes as no surprise ;) | 09:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve made a mistake in the code | 09:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | miss spelled variable name :) | 09:25 |
| moontiger | heh ... it happens | 09:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | connection will drop | 09:26 |
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| moontiger | so with the desktop applet settinsg menu ... it doesnt seem as if the event if handled in the python bindings is my best guess | 09:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m in the train | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | which is going underground | 09:27 |
| moontiger | oh wow cool :) | 09:27 |
| moontiger | cu on the flipside | 09:27 |
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| moontiger | is there a problem with the repos currently? | 09:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | contacts.phone.rel == gdata.contacts.REL_HOME: | 09:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups ww | 09:39 |
| GAN800 | moontiger, everything's half working at the moment. | 09:40 |
| GAN800 | Refreshing a few times usually gets it. | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | moontiger > there is problem with all maemo.org | 09:40 |
| moontiger | doh! what happened? anybody know? thnx for the update btw | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | repository, garage,wiki, www | 09:40 |
| GAN800 | maem | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | the problem is again server | 09:40 |
| GAN800 | maemo.org is in two places at the moment. ;) | 09:41 |
| moontiger | wow really??!! nokia cant afford a decent server and isp?? | 09:41 |
| GAN800 | and getting pounded after the Diablo update. | 09:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | until they will don't left the 33.6k modem | 09:41 |
| GAN800 | Server upgrades are coming in a week or two. | 09:41 |
| moontiger | *laughs* | 09:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | we will still have problem | 09:41 |
| GAN800 | Yesterday's move was the first step. | 09:41 |
| moontiger | is there anyway i can get the python sqlite debs so i can do dev work on sbox on this laptop? | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | pygtkeditgor mcontacts.glade | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg ww | 09:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | try again a pray ... | 09:43 |
| moontiger | it keeps failing to stat the repos i need | 09:44 |
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| legind | away sleep | 09:46 |
| moontiger | can i grab a version of pysqlite from elsewhere and install that? | 09:49 |
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| moontiger | ach prolly not | 09:50 |
| moontiger | np | 09:50 |
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| XTL | Putting a wave of updates on a slow-moving system out at the same moment you move servers... | 09:51 |
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| GAN800 | XTL, the ISP jumped the gun. | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | and the maemo.org people really had no way of knowing when Nokia was going to dump the update. | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | The move has been planned for a while. | 10:00 |
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| GAN800 | The managers at Nokia-proper in charge of release scheduling are the ones to blame. | 10:00 |
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| XTL | I don't exactly mind. Just seems like a funny thing to do. | 10:01 |
| GAN800 | The people in charge of releases at Nokia aren't very good at coordinating | 10:02 |
| GAN800 | The process seems to be 'What about today? Uh, yeah, I remember something about something happening soon so . . . let's do it! OK!' | 10:04 |
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| GAN800 | b.m.o seems to be completely dead. | 10:07 |
| Sargun | bug in the documentation: | 10:08 |
| Sargun | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node6.html | 10:08 |
| Sargun | Section: 5.4.1 Overview | 10:08 |
| Sargun | 2nd paragraph | 10:08 |
| Sargun | To conserve memory, only single instance of an application can be running at any given time. If the application is already running, it will only receive a message about the new invocation, such as "open file 'foo'" and top itself. The user can switch to another, already running application either by using the Task Navigator UI, or by closing the topmost application. | 10:09 |
| RST38h | Where is the bug? | 10:10 |
| GAN800 | I don't see one either. | 10:11 |
| moontiger | khertan ... the settings menu thingy for desktop applets... | 10:13 |
| moontiger | did you try to get this working? | 10:13 |
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| yigal | is/are there (a) way(s) to keep the screen's and/or led light on - without blinking for the led - while the device is on? | 10:21 |
| yigal | I need a very small ammount of light, for which at least the screen is bright enough to give me, and keeping it on would mean I wouldn't another source of light. | 10:22 |
| yigal | at least during night's with a little moon in them | 10:22 |
| XTL | A torch application. | 10:22 |
| yigal | thank you!! | 10:22 |
| bef0rd | you can disable the blinking led at eh control panel | 10:22 |
| lbt | there is a torch app IIRC | 10:23 |
| yigal | great | 10:24 |
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| GAN800 | moredimmingoptions with MicroB fullscreen pn about:blank | 10:24 |
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| Khertan__ | i m back | 10:32 |
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| Khertan__ | moontiger: no i ven't the time to digger more about the binding | 10:33 |
| Khertan__ | moontiger: i m a bit busy working on mCalendar and mContact | 10:33 |
| aquatix | good morning all | 10:33 |
| moontiger | it looks like returning a gtkmenuitem might work | 10:33 |
| moontiger | i'll try it tomorrow when im done teaching and let you know if i got anywhere | 10:34 |
| moontiger | ;) | 10:34 |
| Khertan__ | good morning aquatix | 10:38 |
| Khertan__ | moontiger: yep i'm interested | 10:38 |
| moontiger | ok i'll dig into it and see what i can find out ... must sleep now :) | 10:39 |
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| herwood | hi | 10:46 |
| herwood | does anyone know some way of enabling permanent status bar icons? | 10:46 |
| herwood | I somehow managed to disable them | 10:46 |
| aquatix | herwood: see the control panel, panel settnigs | 10:47 |
| aquatix | second tab in the panel settings dialog window | 10:47 |
| aquatix | btw, who's the developer of the load plugin? | 10:47 |
| aquatix | erm | 10:47 |
| aquatix | system load applet | 10:48 |
| herwood | aquatix: did you mean Control panel->Panels->Status bar? | 10:48 |
| aquatix | yeah | 10:48 |
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| aquatix | you can even modify the order of them | 10:48 |
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| herwood | only temporary icons can be enabled/disabled there | 10:49 |
| aquatix | they're all gone with you? | 10:49 |
| herwood | the permanent icons' (e.g. the battery icon) checkbox is disabled | 10:49 |
| aquatix | disabled? hm | 10:49 |
| herwood | they are there but I cannot check the checkbox | 10:50 |
| aquatix | that's... weird :) | 10:50 |
| johnx | herwood, did your desktop panels disappear then re-appear without the icons? | 10:50 |
| herwood | johnx: yeah, in some point while I was trying to create my own icon | 10:50 |
| johnx | try rebooting | 10:51 |
| johnx | they should all be back | 10:51 |
| bef0rd | johnx, that have happened to me aswell, all the 'default' icons reappear instead of my config | 10:51 |
| herwood | I've tried that a couple of times but they just won't come back :P | 10:51 |
| johnx | herwood, ah, a different situation this time :/ | 10:51 |
| herwood | yeah | 10:51 |
| herwood | should I possibly modify some file to get them back visible? | 10:52 |
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| murrayc | What's with bugs.maemo.org being down now? | 11:04 |
| murrayc | Ah, I see an email about it on the mailing list. Sorry. | 11:05 |
| murrayc | Apparently it will be up again tomorrow. | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | murrayc: Probably later this day. | 11:06 |
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| Khertan__ | oO° | 11:57 |
| tuukkah | is there a howto or something on how to enable multiple network connections at the same time? | 11:57 |
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| * XTL curses automake | 12:02 | |
| * qwerty12 knew I should have taken German | 12:05 | |
| * Khertan__ want to sleep | 12:05 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: it's not hard; just learn dutch, then you can read german quite easily ;) | 12:06 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, nice. But my aptitude for languages is *low* | 12:07 |
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| aquatix | similar here | 12:07 |
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| aquatix | thankfully my parents teached me dutch ;) | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | My parents tried and gave up :D | 12:08 |
| aquatix | lol | 12:09 |
| aquatix | would've created... issues here i guess ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | school: `but... he doesn't even talk!' | 12:09 |
| aquatix | wouldn't have been good for my geek ego | 12:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, I speak English as my first language, no problems here. :) | 12:11 |
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| aquatix | i have to say, since i'm on irc my english has improved | 12:12 |
| aquatix | scares me a bit | 12:12 |
| * aquatix caught himself saying `lol' out loud several times | 12:13 | |
| qwerty12 | hehe, I feel like that then I realise I'm not on the internet | 12:15 |
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| XTL | I've seem people who replace first person comments with third and "me" (/me ...) IRL | 12:25 |
| aquatix | Mii! | 12:27 |
| aquatix | XTL: those are not irc'ers, those are hillbillies | 12:27 |
| aquatix | `conan hungry! conan order burger!' | 12:28 |
| XTL | aquatix: Indeed | 12:28 |
| XTL | Irc is like alcohol. Nice in moderation, possibly fun in excess and a really sorry sight when gone too far. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | combining irc, alcohol and a bunch of irc people on a field in the middle of nowhere in the netherlands, is fun too. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:30 |
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| Italodance | where is abuse-lib? | 12:41 |
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| bef0rd | libabuse-dev | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | You wouldn't want to install a -dev package on the tablet | 12:42 |
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| Italodance | bef0rd where is it? on extras=devel? | 12:43 |
| bef0rd | oh, I thought you were kidding. xD that name sounds .. funny :P | 12:43 |
| * Italodance slaps bef0rd around a bit with a large trout | 12:44 | |
| Italodance | aggggggg | 12:44 |
| Italodance | where is the link? | 12:44 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:49 |
| RST38h | moorning | 12:50 |
| mikkov_ | Italodance: extras-devel has abuse-frabs | 12:52 |
| Italodance | mikkov_ i need lib abuse | 12:53 |
| Italodance | abuse-lib | 12:54 |
| mikkov_ | then i can't help | 12:54 |
| mikkov_ | but abuse-frabs includes levels from abuse-lib too | 12:56 |
| Italodance | i knew | 12:57 |
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| mikkov_ | so is abuse working or not? | 12:58 |
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| rmrfchik | can you pastebin "clean" /etc/sources.list.d/hildot*? | 13:03 |
| rmrfchik | hildon | 13:03 |
| rmrfchik | I have some problems with latest updateds | 13:03 |
| RST38h | a moment | 13:06 |
| RST38h | ls: /etc/sources.list.d: No such file or directory | 13:08 |
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| lardman | /etc/apt/ etc. perhaps | 13:10 |
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| rmrfchik | apt ;) | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | it trips pastebin's spam filter | 13:24 |
| RST38h | dunno why | 13:24 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: can I msg you? | 13:27 |
| rmrfchik | sure | 13:28 |
| RST38h | done | 13:28 |
| rmrfchik | wow. a lot of. | 13:28 |
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| rmrfchik | thank you. | 13:29 |
| RST38h | not all of them are needed though | 13:29 |
| rmrfchik | I can't do a full update because I have some packages newer | 13:29 |
| rmrfchik | libxml2 for example. | 13:29 |
| pvanhoof | While making a package, I noticed that it installs in debian/tmp/usr/local as prefix | 13:36 |
| pvanhoof | How do I make it use debian/tmp/usr instead? | 13:36 |
| pvanhoof | Well, I know how, but how do I do this correctly? | 13:36 |
| pvanhoof | DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --prefix=something? | 13:37 |
| terbo | its package specific. look in the configuration of your particular package. | 13:38 |
| pvanhoof | I am turning it into a package ter | 13:38 |
| pvanhoof | terbo, | 13:38 |
| pvanhoof | So I have a project, a piece of source, and I'm making the debian subdir | 13:39 |
| pvanhoof | The default prefix of this project is /usr/local | 13:39 |
| * terbo wouldn't know what to do if there was no ./configure | 13:40 | |
| pvanhoof | nono, there's a ./configure | 13:40 |
| terbo | then try --prefix when you invoke it | 13:40 |
| pvanhoof | In the rules file? | 13:40 |
| * terbo wonders .. | 13:41 | |
| pvanhoof | trying | 13:41 |
| pvanhoof | seems to work indeed | 13:42 |
| pvanhoof | dpkg-buildpackage: full upload; Debian-native package (full source is included) | 13:42 |
| pvanhoof | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/arm/libgee] > | 13:42 |
| pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m5dab2148 | 13:43 |
| pvanhoof | does that look good? | 13:43 |
| terbo | yup | 13:43 |
| pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m2b5804e | 13:43 |
| pvanhoof | And that one? | 13:43 |
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| zap | libgay.so? | 13:44 |
| pvanhoof | Right then, trying to install it | 13:44 |
| pvanhoof | No, gee is a library that a lot of vala projects consume, zap | 13:44 |
| pvanhoof | juergbi will tell you all about it | 13:44 |
| pvanhoof | juergbi, you somehow want the debian subdir for gee? It's a Maemo centric rules-file though | 13:45 |
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| terbo | ya looks fine, hope it all works out :) | 13:45 |
| juergbi | pvanhoof: probably makes sense to keep it in maemo repos, then | 13:46 |
| pvanhoof | http://pastebin.com/m53411d94 | 13:46 |
| pvanhoof | juergbi, nods | 13:46 |
| pvanhoof | juergbi, I've seen some projects do things like: debian/rules.maemo | 13:46 |
| pvanhoof | and debian/rules.ubuntu | 13:47 |
| pvanhoof | I think for example the tinymail debian guy did something like that | 13:47 |
| pvanhoof | not sure how it works | 13:47 |
| pvanhoof | I guess you can somehow pass the rules file to dpkg-buildetcetc | 13:47 |
| pvanhoof | Anyway, but perhaps you want control over the description and things like that, juergbi ? | 13:48 |
| juergbi | i don't think that it usually makes sense to keep distro-specific things in upstream packages | 13:49 |
| pvanhoof | ok | 13:49 |
| juergbi | we don't do decisions for distros | 13:49 |
| pvanhoof | juergbi, http://codeminded.be/people/pvanhoof/maemo/packages/ | 13:50 |
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| terbo | cool. i started building a few packages for my self, then realised that .. it would take tonnes more effort to get them to actually work | 13:56 |
| * terbo ponders buying a flipstart or other umpc ....... | 13:56 | |
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| amr | heh, is it normal for 07he to switch off when you tap the power button at the top? | 14:01 |
| amr | doesn't bring up the options menu for offline mode/lock etc | 14:01 |
| Kegetys | doesnt it do that if you have the developer mode or whatever it is enabled with the flasher app? | 14:02 |
| amr | i didn't enable anything like that, just used the windows nokia flasher | 14:02 |
| Kegetys | hmm okay, dunno then :) | 14:02 |
| amr | heh | 14:02 |
| amr | hm | 14:02 |
| pvanhoof | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free | 14:02 |
| pvanhoof | Turns out that that one has libgee0 and libgee-dev already | 14:03 |
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| lardman | Khertan_n810: I can't seem to find some of the deps for your editor program | 14:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep :) | 14:21 |
| lardman | and your web site is broken, all the pages are the same | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:21 |
| lardman | oh well, works on the PC, not on the N810 then | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | no prob with my website | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve just test on my n810 | 14:22 |
| lardman | It kept sending me to the same page last night when I tried | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | in fact there is a dependancy error | 14:23 |
| lardman | anyway, just thought I'd let you know | 14:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i don t know why application manager try to install an old version | 14:24 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yep, thx | 14:24 |
| lardman | is there a newer version with working deps? | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | as a newer is in chinook repository | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | the one on my site | 14:25 |
| lardman | ah, I removed that repo, might have to put it back | 14:25 |
| lardman | ok, will give it a go later on, cheers | 14:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | all dependancies is avalaible on myh site | 14:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t use chinnok repository on diablo | 14:25 |
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| lardman | ok | 14:26 |
| lardman | I've no idea why the browser kept taking me back to the news page last night | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, need some help with the voting process, just ask, I'm good :P | 14:27 |
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| * Jaffa hates work. Especially for the US marketing team. | 14:33 | |
| RST38h | Jaffa: "I know what to do but do not know how to get rid of the bodies"? | 14:35 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed. | 14:43 |
| aquatix | RST38h: bbq! | 14:43 |
| Jaffa | They no longer want the moon on a stick. They want the multiverse on a stick. A stick made from a single carbon nanotube. | 14:43 |
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| florian | hi dneary | 15:09 |
| dneary | hi florian | 15:10 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Ping? | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: I am sure they know that no matter what they want, what they get will be a turd on a stick. | 15:21 |
| RST38h | [and the stick will be made of a surplus pencil] | 15:21 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: pongish | 15:22 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Council elections | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | aye | 15:23 |
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| * Jaffa saw your email but hasn't had a chance to read it. Probably doing a 15 hour day in the office today :-/ | 15:23 | |
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| timeless | gan: ping | 15:31 |
| timeless | dneary: ping | 15:31 |
| timeless | jaffa: ping | 15:31 |
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| Jaffa | timless: pong | 15:32 |
| timeless | dneary: ping | 15:33 |
| dneary | timeless: pong | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, if you want me to work on the Voting Process | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I'm yours | 15:52 |
| dneary | great | 15:52 |
| dneary | I have this: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/foundation-web/trunk/foundation.gnome.org/vote/ | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | You wouldn't know of any reference to how to get the work on the website ? | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | Better yet, a representation of the actual SQL data | 15:54 |
| dneary | Yeah | 15:54 |
| dneary | I'll get it today | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | cool | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Reading your mail now; agree almost entirely with it | 15:56 |
| dneary | Hmmmm... almost? | 15:56 |
| dneary | Disappointing | 15:56 |
| dneary | :) | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | Very *very* minor nit | 15:58 |
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| Jaffa | Elligible voters being decided tonight rather than the start of the voting. | 15:58 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, I didn't understand that either | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | btw, how does one check his karma , | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/profile/view/crashanddie/ | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | Assuming maemo.org wasn't down | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | I know I'm not eligible for either voting or anything, but still | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | w00t, 3 karma points ! | 16:00 |
| dneary | Well, you have to freeze it at some stage | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'll be back in a bit, cheers | 16:01 |
| dneary | The point, as I understood it, was that people who didn't have accounts at least 3 months weren't elligible because we didn't want ballot stuffing | 16:01 |
| dneary | Seems like the same argument applies to karma | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | dneary, yeah, but why *now* | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | why not at the start of the elections ? | 16:01 |
| dneary | As opposed to Sept. 2nd? | 16:01 |
| dneary | It could go either way | 16:02 |
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| dneary | But you do need to publish a list of elligible voters before the election so that you can correct any errorsw | 16:02 |
| mikkov_ | am I supposed to get karma points for apps in maemo.org downloads? | 16:02 |
| dneary | mikkov_: You mean, being an owner/developer of an app? | 16:02 |
| dneary | Yes | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | I mean, for example, I didn't care much for karma, as I thought it was just a bragometer, but if it entitles me to vote, and I think I'm entitled to casting one, I'd like to work on it | 16:03 |
| mikkov_ | dneary: I have couple of entries (game ports) in downloads but no karma | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | doesn't it have to be a project in the garage ? | 16:04 |
| dneary | mikkov_: can you open a bug? | 16:04 |
| dneary | yes - it's garage projects, I think | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | yeah, which makes sense | 16:04 |
| mikkov_ | dneary: yes, now that I know it is a bug ;) | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | mikkov_, do you have projects for each app ? | 16:04 |
| mikkov_ | crashanddie: you mean garage projects? no | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | well then it's not a bug | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | mikkov_, you don't get karma points just for uploading sources to the builder | 16:05 |
| jott | i think it's bad to have karma as criteria for actually voting. | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | jott, true that | 16:05 |
| jott | it does not really measure anything. | 16:05 |
| mikkov_ | crashanddie: I am talking about maemo.org/downloads | 16:06 |
| dneary | crashanddie: I know that my karma is not because I've particularly tried to build it up, it's a by-product of stuff I do (blogs, bugzilla, wiki) | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | see, I'm going to be boosting my karma in order to be able to vote | 16:06 |
| dneary | Plus, if new wiki edits were included, it'd be even higher :) | 16:06 |
| dneary | jott: There was a long discussion on this on the Talk: page of Task:Community_council | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, I don't know... It feels... Borked | 16:09 |
| dneary | I undrestand | 16:09 |
| dneary | To quote myself from that page: | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | there's quite a few guys who are disqualified from voting, just because they participate in alternative ways to Maemo | 16:09 |
| dneary | "If that's to be a precondition, then the problems with karma need to be fixed first. Notably: bug #2481 and bug #3240, but really there are a bunch of karma-related problems, if the measure actually becomes important for community participation. Here's a list" | 16:10 |
| jott | especially thinking HOW karma can be gained. | 16:10 |
| dneary | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council#Council_member_karma_requirements | 16:10 |
| jott | it's some stupid things to do to get krama. | 16:10 |
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| jott | (not that all karma criteria are bad) | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | Well, to be quite honest, I think that if someone's been registered for 3 months+, and he votes, his "karma" shouldn't come into the decision | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | because basically, if he's still active after 3 months, and active enough to cast a vote, I don't think there's any doubt about that person's involvement | 16:12 |
| dneary | crashanddie: The logic on the wiki was "anyone who creates an account & does nothing with it shouldn't be elligible" | 16:12 |
| jott | and my logic is - karma is not a criteria for anything | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | Well there's where your whole thing is wrong, isn't it ? | 16:12 |
| dneary | And if someone's doing stuff in the community & doesn't have 25 karma after 3 months, then there's a problem with karma | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | Look at lcuk... He's writing insanely interesting software, and he has like what, 10 karma points ? | 16:13 |
| dneary | crashanddie: You'd consider that anyone who creates an account should be elligible? | 16:13 |
| dneary | (otherwise I don't understand what you mean by " there's where your whole thing is wrong, isn't it " | 16:14 |
| dneary | ) | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | well, if like you say, someone doesn't do anything with his account after 3 months | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | where's the danger ? He won't even notice there's votes | 16:14 |
| dneary | crashanddie: It's a very minor check & balance to avoid ballot stuffing | 16:14 |
| dneary | But hey - please make a counter-proposal on the mailing list (I don't like having discussions like this on IRC because it's so ephemeral) | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | on the other hand, the guy who's working on Maemo, involved with Maemo, and plans to do a lot for Maemo, but hasn't done it within the karma-view, he gets denied from voting | 16:15 |
| dneary | Or on the Talk page of the wiki | 16:15 |
| dneary | crashanddie: Sure - karma needs to reflect doing, if it doesn't it needs some fixing | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | Well... No | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | Karma can't track everything | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | it's not like it can track what happens on IRC, or anything else, that doesn't happen, per se, on maemo.org | 16:17 |
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| jott | karma by concept is broken to reflect true contributions. | 16:18 |
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| crashanddie | yeah... but define:true contributions | 16:18 |
| jott | code, help other, increase visibility, etc. | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 16:20 |
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| crashanddie | back later, cheers | 16:20 |
| lcuk | forget karma and all this crap: 1 vote per device. link it to your wlan id | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, this means the german IT guy from the police unit can cast 20+ votes | 16:21 |
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| lcuk | so? he has paid 20x more than you | 16:22 |
| florian | heh | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, he didn't pay a thing, the budget did | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | then get 21 of your friends to vote for who YOU believe in | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | you're just being a troll :P | 16:23 |
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| Italodance | ummmm i am thinking to make an adaptor for my simcart | 16:24 |
| jott | but i think the one vote per device is much more sane than broken karma. | 16:24 |
| lcuk | no, its an election - however you decide who can vote a single sole vote is not as powerful as combining forces with your friends | 16:24 |
| Italodance | insert it to N800 | 16:24 |
| Italodance | and use GSM phone :D | 16:24 |
| Italodance | it can be! | 16:24 |
| lcuk | we can even use the n8x0 as an electronic voting terminal :D | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I was thinking of that :P | 16:24 |
| * lcuk contacts diebold | 16:24 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, already wrote an UI mockup | 16:25 |
| lcuk | vote: [ ] you [ ] someone else [ ] cowboy neal | 16:25 |
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| iXce | hm, I just got my n810, is it worth upgrading to diablo straight away or should I wait for some updates (e.g. that more apps are ported, that autonomy problems are solved...) ? | 16:27 |
| jott | iXce: i would update. | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | iXce, i concur with jott - for a new device, no point in holding back | 16:28 |
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| iXce | okai | 16:28 |
| iXce | thanks :) | 16:28 |
| mikkov_ | is there somewhere a list of how to get karma points? | 16:28 |
| jott | register multiple products as it seems: http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/ | 16:29 |
| jott | gets you 707 karma :P | 16:29 |
| jott | 100 per product | 16:29 |
| jott | or 101? | 16:29 |
| jott | or make some favourites | 16:30 |
| * jott shakes his head | 16:30 | |
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| lcuk | :D someone has balanced my negative digg down rating on my profile | 16:31 |
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| * lcuk curses shoddy looking icons with no alt-text or link beneath or reason for being there which just randomly change things forever and make me feel stupid every time i visit the page | 16:31 | |
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| jott | the more i think about this whole karma rating the more it seems broken | 16:32 |
| lcuk | its not broken, but its kinda like pissin in the wind | 16:32 |
| jott | hehe | 16:32 |
| lcuk | the direction keeps changing | 16:32 |
| jott | lcuk++ | 16:32 |
| lcuk | at least on slashdot karma is well understood | 16:32 |
| jott | now you have more infobot karma :P | 16:32 |
| lcuk | o'rly? | 16:33 |
| jott | ~karma lcuk | 16:33 |
| infobot | lcuk has neutral karma | 16:33 |
| jott | oh :8 | 16:33 |
| jott | ~lcuk++ | 16:33 |
| jott | ? | 16:33 |
| jott | ~karma lcuk | 16:33 |
| infobot | lcuk has karma of 1 | 16:33 |
| jott | ah :) | 16:33 |
| lcuk | \o/ w00000t! | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | ~karma jott | 16:36 |
| infobot | jott has neutral karma | 16:36 |
| jott | ah all in a well balance of good an evil! :) | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | ~karma superjott | 16:37 |
| infobot | superjott has neutral karma | 16:37 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:37 |
| jott | i think i should favourite some articles on maemo.org to get a right to vote.. *rolleyes* | 16:37 |
| lcuk | chain yourself to the front of the maemo.org server | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | i best go back to real work anyway - my karma will surprive for another day | 16:39 |
| jott | if i favourite enough i may get 100 karma and might be entitled to be elected! woot! :) | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Oh shit | 16:40 |
| jott | no it's deadline 23:59 | 16:40 |
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| crashanddie | jott-- | 16:40 |
| RST38h | and then saw a warning on the email | 16:40 |
| * jott calls his broker | 16:40 | |
| crashanddie | ~karme jott | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | ~karma jott | 16:40 |
| infobot | jott has neutral karma | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | oh, you can't go negative :( | 16:41 |
| RST38h | Oh well, all in a due time | 16:41 |
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| jott | ~crashanddie-- | 16:41 |
| jott | ~karma crashanddie | 16:41 |
| infobot | crashanddie has karma of -1 | 16:41 |
| jott | in your face! | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | ~karma jott | 16:42 |
| infobot | jott has neutral karma | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | fekit | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | imatoher | 16:42 |
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| crashanddie | HOLY CRAP ! | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | AHAHAHAH :D | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | I just got an answer from Google :D :D :D | 16:49 |
| aquatix | yay | 16:49 |
| RST38h | crash: And they want you? | 16:49 |
| aquatix | `your mail will be processed within the next 30 days' ? | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, they want me to call them up | 16:50 |
| aquatix | oh, cool :) | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | apparently they'd have a job for me in one of their datacentres | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | ok, think, think, think | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | I have to find a phone booth | 16:50 |
| RST38h | ok, I know what it is | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, you do ? | 16:51 |
| aquatix | phone booth? what's that? | 16:51 |
| aquatix | ;) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | they want you to work on web services reliability and performance? | 16:51 |
| * aquatix has seen those in movies | 16:51 | |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, no idea, apparently they couldn't get through on my phone, so they want me to call 'em back | 16:51 |
| RST38h | crash: Don't be so optimistic right now | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | hu ? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | crash: First, if it is data center, that is most likely IT job not CS | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | yeah, who gives a shit, I don't care | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | I need a job to keep living in London, or else it'll be back to France for me | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | I'll be able to find something more suited later on | 16:52 |
| RST38h | crash: Second, it just means they want to interview you. You will have to go through a day or two of interviews and then they will decide | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Oh | 16:52 |
| RST38h | So, it is not "hired" yet. | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I know that | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | but basically, having someone actually reply is already a huge improvement | 16:53 |
| wanders | crashanddie: You were the guy I talked to about a job in Sweden, right? | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 16:54 |
| RST38h | heh | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | wanders, but quite honestly, Sweden's a long way from any place I call home. I don't speak the language, I don't know anyone, and to be honest, that's quite a though pill to swallow | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | wanders, I have to try in a more familiar place first | 16:56 |
| RST38h | and you are from France right? | 16:57 |
| wanders | crashanddie: Totally understand that. | 16:57 |
| XTL | I never got around to talking to G headhunters | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, I've lived in France for the past few years, originally from Belgium though | 16:58 |
| * Jaffa reads a lot of the karma for voting scrollback. | 16:58 | |
| Veggen | crashanddie: Sweden is relatively easy to get around in with a usable english language. | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Ah | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | It will disqualify some people from the council, and some people from voting. But it's a measure against *general* community involvement rather than specific; i.e. you've done some bug work, you've contributed to the mailing lists, you've blogged, you've ranked news, you've commented on apps in downloads, you've put apps in downloads.maemo.org etc. | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | Voting for what? | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | As has been pointed out, getting 25 points isn't hard if you're actually involved *in* the community. And that's also why I suggested getting the electoral role at the start of the election period (or as close to it as possible), so people /can/ start contributing in these general ways to become eligible. | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | Veggen, Yeah I know, but it's really though, you know... I'm 22, moving to London was already quite a big leap, and at least I speak the language, but going through all the administration stuff, in a language I don't even know the alphabet of ? Now there's a leap of faith | 17:01 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: The Community Council. | 17:01 |
| jott | Jaffa: but the whole concept is broken. | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | I say, we should vote to define the voting system | 17:01 |
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| Veggen | crashanddie: true :) | 17:01 |
| jott | Jaffa: look at http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/ | 17:02 |
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| jott | (nothing against him but this shows how meaningless karma is) | 17:02 |
| Veggen | crashanddie: But I doubt swedish bureaucracy is as bad as the french ;) (I know a bit about the french because my sister lived there for approximately 10 years) | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | Why? yerga's all over the place: he helps on ITT (not measured), hangs out here, contributes to the mailing list, has produced Maemo apps which are popular. Surely that's an example of karma *working*?! | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | luckily, I managed to get out of that country before my professional life started out | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Not sure if it is the example of karma working | 17:03 |
| jott | Jaffa: no, compare that the lcuk karma | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | jott: Maybe the absolute number is meaningless, and some contributions are weighted more heavily than others | 17:03 |
| jott | Jaffa: it's the VALUE that is strange, like getting 700 karma for products | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | "the lcuk karma" ? is that a different version ? | 17:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk has got karma of 7 | 17:03 |
| jott | Jaffa: and getting karma for favourites is strange too. | 17:03 |
| dneary | lcuk: Ping? | 17:04 |
| jott | Jaffa: i am not saying yerga does not contribute, just that karma is not a measure to compare to ANYTHING. | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | jott: yerga's been writing software for Maemo for ages; lcuk's just started and hasn't released anything but a playtest. It's cool stuff, and is reflected in his sponsorship for the conference. Yes, he should probably be allowed to vote, but tough | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | dneary, he's working | 17:04 |
| dneary | crashanddie: Who would be elligible to vote in the voting system vote? | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | jott: karma for favourites is because favourites helps rank the news on http://maemo.org/news/ | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I dunno, we should vote on that too | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | We've *had* this discussion. There was time to comment on the wiki, the mailing list and ITT. | 17:05 |
| jott | Jaffa: it's just a *quantity* measure. | 17:05 |
| jott | Jaffa: yeah well | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | jott: yes, exactly. | 17:05 |
| jott | in the end it's just telling me to not care about maemo.org at all. | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | yeah, same here | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | As dneary put it so well, it's a crude measure to prevent ballot stuffing and show that you are at least vaguely involved in maemo.org | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | No, it's being racist to anyone who doesn't work the way you do | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | I don't blog, I don't spend hours writing comments which reflect the same opinion as half the other comments | 17:07 |
| jott | and if you really thing "ballot stuffing" is a problem, then the whole maemo.org community seems broken. | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | It's the maemo.org Community Council; if you're doing stuff for Maemo, but haven't done anything with the maemo.org community, one could argue there's no issue | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | I don't edit the wiki because I haven't mastered the formal wording of wikis just yet | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | I create my garage account 3 or 4 months after I got my NIT, so I've had it for what, 3, 4 months ? | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | And how much have I needed it ? Null | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: so, to be blunt, what have you done which makes you think you should be eligible to vote? Because you want to? If so, that might be valid, but it might not. | 17:08 |
| lbt | ooh - I have a karma of 28 | 17:09 |
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| jott | Jaffa: because he is a member of maemo.org | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | I don't believe I should be entitled to a vote | 17:09 |
| dneary | (I'm having trouble why you & jott have waited until now | 17:09 |
| dneary | That is: I'm having trouble figuring out why... | 17:09 |
| jott | because i do not follow every wiki discussion page and do not read itt. | 17:09 |
| * lbt has never had karma before | 17:09 | |
| crashanddie | same here | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | lbt, not even IRL ? | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | :D | 17:10 |
| * lbt goes to watch reruns of "My Name is Earl" | 17:10 | |
| lbt | IRL or Earl? | 17:10 |
| dneary | crashanddie, jott: Please add your grain of salt to the Talk: page, and reply to my mail on the mailing list - it'll be much more beneficial than talking all day about it here | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | agreed | 17:10 |
| dneary | jott: Nor do I read itt | 17:10 |
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| lbt | do I get karma for choosing the logo? | 17:10 |
| lbt | or lose it? | 17:10 |
| dneary | jott: This has come up during the 100 Days initiative, and that was managed mainly in the wiki and on maemo-community | 17:11 |
| dneary | lbt: Negative karma... | 17:11 |
| lbt | eek | 17:11 |
| dneary | lbt: My karma is now -74 | 17:11 |
| dneary | (I am joking) | 17:11 |
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| lbt | told you to pick the gradient version | 17:12 |
| woglinde | hi | 17:12 |
| lbt | hmm, so I get karma for bugzilla entries but not wiki submissions? | 17:12 |
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| lbt | hi woglinde | 17:13 |
| jott | lbt: you can karma for random stuff. | 17:13 |
| woglinde | is there a chance or turtorial how I can make a normal xapplication aware of the hildon input framework? | 17:13 |
| lbt | but is that random +/- karma? | 17:13 |
| woglinde | hi jott btw. | 17:13 |
| jott | lbt: if you do it *right* (like focusing on really karma gaining stuff) you get extra karma. | 17:13 |
| jott | woglinde: hello | 17:13 |
| lbt | woglinde: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 17:13 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, but to be quite honest with myself, and thus being fairly arrogant, if I had to argue why I should be entitled to a vote, I would it's because I'm following what's happening in Maemo, I've been paying close attention during the sprints, I've been reading each email on the mailing lists with full attention, and it is not because someone is mute, he should be considered deaf too | 17:14 |
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| jott | woglinde: take a look at qt4 maemo and the jalimo maemo integration. i am not aware of a tutorial. | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | s/I would/I would say/ | 17:14 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Jaffa, but to be quite honest with myself, and thus being fairly arrogant, if I had to argue why I should be entitled to a vote, I would say it's because I'm following what's happening in Maemo, I've been paying close attention during the sprints, I've be... | 17:14 |
| woglinde | lbt I didnt find there a tutorial | 17:14 |
| jott | (both integrate input framework) | 17:14 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/development/training/ | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out of here, talk to you guys later, maybe I'll rant about this on the mailing list, but seeing how we get bashed to the ground just for wanting to talk about it, I'm not sure it's such a good idea. Basically, the answer is "you should've opened your mouth earlier. Too late, kthxbai" | 17:15 |
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| jott | crashanddie: yeah, i think so too. and "it's easy getting 25 karma". | 17:16 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/ | 17:16 |
| jott | (which makes the whole point useless anyway) | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | btw, quick question, if someone is called "Jamie", how the hell do I know if it's a guy or a gal ? | 17:16 |
| lcuk | dneary, pong (and my flippin ears are burning!) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you dont | 17:16 |
| lcuk | "Hi Jamie, thanks for mailing me...." | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | bbl | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | Oh, and btw | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | I hope I lost at least 10 karma points for being a flaming troll | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | Oh, but wait, it only works on maemo.org ;) | 17:18 |
| jott | crashanddie: nah, you gain 10 karma points for trolling there too ;) | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie/jott: then you'd also have seen the discussions about the council on maemo-dev/users, before maemo-community was created; and the whole 100 Days initiative was to give people the ability to shape it. | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, work. | 17:18 |
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| jott | point is, that if you want to be *in* the council i understand that you need to follow every little discussion about how to vote in detail. | 17:21 |
| jott | but for *voting* itself that's another story. | 17:21 |
| lbt | crashanddie: you mailed Google? | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | bbiab | 17:22 |
| jott | i am not even aware where the "3 month" OR "25 karmacrap" gone to "3 month" AND "25 karmacrap". | 17:23 |
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| Khertan__ | a question about karma ... how does it work ? | 17:24 |
| RST38h | Khertan: divinely | 17:24 |
| Khertan__ | i mean what the calculation method | 17:25 |
| Khertan__ | s/what/what is | 17:25 |
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| jott | Khertan__: something like http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php | 17:26 |
| jott | not sure if it is the one actually in place | 17:26 |
| RST38h | I really do not think karma has to affect voting rights | 17:26 |
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| t_s_o | exit | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | In fact, the more egalitarian (?) rules are created, the worse it will be for the whole thing | 17:26 |
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| Anunakin | any knows what is the repo for g++ ? | 17:31 |
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| lbt | Anunakin: what do you mean by that? you want g++ on the tablet? or scratchbox? | 17:34 |
| Anunakin | on tablet | 17:34 |
| lbt | try here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/ | 17:34 |
| Anunakin | thanks | 17:35 |
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| atul | How to open .mp3 file using exsting application. | 17:36 |
| aquatix | atul: try the media player? | 17:39 |
| atul | aquarius-:= but I want using my application does with an api | 17:40 |
| atul | How do I do | 17:40 |
| jott | how is the price for a midgard "product" calculated? | 17:42 |
| jott | and, why do i not get "product" karma for advanced backlight? | 17:45 |
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| mikkov_ | jott: I guess that karma updating is broken | 17:48 |
| jott | s/updating// :) | 17:49 |
| mikkov_ | maybe that too ;) | 17:49 |
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| mikkov_ | karma is broken https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 | 17:52 |
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| jott | makes it really even funnier that this should be a criteria. | 17:55 |
| jott | even laughable .. | 17:55 |
| jott | anyeay | 17:55 |
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| jott | out for a while. | 17:56 |
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| andrewfblack | Hey Qwerty | 17:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Hi Andrew | 17:56 |
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| andrewfblack | I swear I hate learning new programming languages | 18:02 |
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| manyoso | does the maemo API give pressure information for touch events on the touch screen? | 18:04 |
| manyoso | either through GTK or X11? | 18:05 |
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| * qwerty12 thinks someone should bribe the tuxbox team to work on the tablets :D | 18:07 | |
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| RST38h | qwertyuiop | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | RST38hjkl | 18:17 |
| andrewfblack | does Pymaemo have MySQLdb module? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | manyoso, it is an x11 extension that supports pressure | 18:18 |
| manyoso | lcuk: any info on the API or docs even better? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data | 18:19 |
| manyoso | awesome! | 18:19 |
| lcuk | yer, you might need to adjust some things, but its very nice indeed | 18:19 |
| manyoso | i'm patching Qt to get at this data | 18:19 |
| lcuk | you can basically detect feather to MEDIC! | 18:19 |
| lcuk | nice :) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | right, ill go again | 18:20 |
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| * qwerty12 throws the broomstick to lcuk. can't fly without that now ;P | 18:21 | |
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| snowmoon-work | damn it's hard to prove that we need noatime mounts on vfat. Had to go digging all over the place to discover how messed up it was | 18:43 |
| liri | I'm wondering how to put a menu icon on the system tray in C/GTK+? (is there a development channel dedicated for these questions) | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | jott: "Products" karma is based on who created the downloads.maemo.org item AIUI; have you raised an issue saying you should be able to specify in that record everyone who gets karma for it? | 18:45 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Does anyone know if its possible to get gnumeric to star writing in a cell automatically without either tapping the edit field or f2 first?= | 18:46 |
| Cptn-N800 | Its rather annoying | 18:46 |
| Cptn-N800 | Especially when used to normal office | 18:47 |
| * qwerty12 is joining the OSX people using OSx86. the cheap mac alternative. :P | 18:48 | |
| jott | Jaffa: no because i did not care a bit about karma and in fact both ga and rm_you got product points so your assumption is probably wrong. | 18:49 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: Author field in maemo.org downloads is a bit misleading, in my opinion. I can give impression that uploader(author) is also original author of the program. There could be original-author field or author field could be named something else. | 18:49 |
| jott | Jaffa: also see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 | 18:50 |
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| frewsxcv | So are these the cards my nokia 770 can read? | 18:51 |
| frewsxcv | http://shop.ebay.com/items/__rs-mmc_W0QQ_nkwZrsQ2dmmcQQQ5ftrkparmsZ72Q253A1075Q257C39Q253A1Q257C66Q253A2Q257C65Q253A12QQQ5ftrksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ_sopZ1?_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 | 18:51 |
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| jott | Jaffa: it's just if karma is a criteria for basic democratic rights in maemo.org i might want to collect some karma points. | 18:57 |
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| dneary | anyone know where I can find out how the karma calculation is done? | 19:10 |
| dneary | jott: I talked to gary by the way | 19:10 |
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| Gary | no you did not :p | 19:10 |
| dneary | He said, in his words, "I guess I just missed the specific triggers" | 19:11 |
| dneary | Gary: Not you | 19:11 |
| dneary | The other Gary | 19:11 |
| * Gary goes back to lurking :p | 19:11 | |
| dneary | So, for example, he's more active on itt (no karma) and IRC (no karma) and liqbase (not in Garage, not in extras, no karma right now) | 19:12 |
| dneary | s/Gary/lcuk | 19:12 |
| jott | dneary: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php is the one i found. | 19:12 |
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| dneary | I found one plug-in in maemo2midgard - don't know where else I might hunt | 19:13 |
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| dneary | I've been missing having a contact with Niels today | 19:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Where are you when I need you? ;) | 19:13 |
| jott | dneary: but yes, that's the whole point. there are some specific triggers so it's just 1) easy to "exploit" 2) meaningless as a whole 3) excluding people contributing in other ways | 19:14 |
| dneary | jott: If you want me to say that it's an arbitrary measure that can be gamed, then sure, you're right. | 19:15 |
| jott | dneary: but i think the net.nehmer.account thing is responsible. not sure if there is a different version somewhere for the live system. | 19:15 |
| dneary | jott: If you want me to say that we shouldn't have any criteria for becoming an elligible voter, then I respectfully disagree | 19:15 |
| jott | dneary: 3 month account? | 19:16 |
| dneary | You need some activity | 19:16 |
| jott | to vote? why?! | 19:16 |
| dneary | To be considered a community member | 19:16 |
| jott | but karma is not a criteria for that. | 19:16 |
| dneary | jott: I'm still waiting for your email proposing an alternative | 19:17 |
| jott | what is wrong with 3 month? | 19:17 |
| jott | and before ANY karma should be considered atleast 2481 has to be fixed. | 19:17 |
| mikkov_ | add bytes written in irc to karma => problem solved ;) | 19:17 |
| dneary | jott: 2481 was fixed a long time ago | 19:18 |
| dneary | I'm unsure exactly what discussion counts, but I suspect it's a log measure | 19:19 |
| jott | i mean mikkov_ and my "project" points seem to be missing. | 19:19 |
| dneary | Also, I'm unsure what you need to do to have a product counted, but I suspect that garage enters into it | 19:19 |
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| jott | all of this is *far* too shady to be a criteria for democratic voting rights. | 19:19 |
| jott | (if it is considered to be deomcratic in any way) | 19:20 |
| dneary | jott: Please - I won't say it again - if you have objections, bring them up on the mailing list | 19:20 |
| mikkov_ | dneary: if you check other entries in downloads, garage doesn't have anything to do with it | 19:20 |
| dneary | We've discussed it far too much, and you've made no serious proposals, on IRC | 19:20 |
| dneary | mikkov_: For that particular thing, I need to get input from Nemein | 19:20 |
| jott | i think it is useless as your word weight more. | 19:21 |
| jott | i would suggest "3 month is enough" | 19:21 |
| jott | and as it is clearly against your will there is no point in proposing it. | 19:21 |
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| dougt | question about osso_initialize() | 19:24 |
| dougt | i have an application that calls osso_initialize() with a name and version number | 19:24 |
| dougt | the name matches the desktop file exactly | 19:24 |
| dougt | but the version differs between the the call to osso_initialize() and the desktop file | 19:25 |
| dougt | will the application get wacked? | 19:25 |
| dougt | wacked == killed by the system after about 30s? | 19:25 |
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| * dougt has been watching too many sopranos reruns. | 19:26 | |
| dneary | jott: It's not just my decision - what I proposed is simply the result of the debate on the wiki page | 19:27 |
| jott | dougt: i think the version number has to match. why not fix the version number and see if it solves your problem? | 19:27 |
| dneary | It happens that I agree with the result, but in this case, I am purely an executant | 19:27 |
| dneary | If you're not prepared to participate in the discussion - and that means the wiki page or the mailing list - then you can't expect your concerns to be taken into account, and you lose complaining rights afterwards | 19:28 |
| dougt | jott: yeah, that is what I am doing, but getting confirmation from another developer that has seen this is also valuable. | 19:28 |
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| dougt | jott: do you know much about the call to osso_init*? | 19:28 |
| jott | dougt: not enough i guess :) | 19:29 |
| jott | dneary: alright i try to think about it a bit. i fear i just got "discussion has been done on the wiki" thrown at my head. | 19:31 |
| dneary | jott: OK - I'll wait for your feedback. The mail's on the mailing list, and I'm watching the wiki pages. | 19:31 |
| jott | dneary: have you be subscribed to the ml to post? i just read the gmane nntp feed | 19:31 |
| dneary | Yeah, it's members only | 19:32 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum mContacts sync with google now works | 19:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | just need to make a better ui now | 19:35 |
| jott | stupid question: is there a way to reply to a mail on a list that you are not subscribed to? | 19:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i don t think | 19:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it depends on list conf | 19:36 |
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| liri | whose -incharge of the new maemo wiki? (wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page) | 19:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | the webmaster of maemo i presume | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | so x-fade | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | liri: why ? | 19:39 |
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| liri | I want to contribute some info to the wiki but it also involves files which are currently hosted on a user's hosting server and I'd like to "keep them online always" by storing them on the wiki server itself if possible or some other public repository | 19:42 |
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| liri | where and how can I edit the auto-complete spelling text? | 19:49 |
| t_s_o | as in add words and so on? | 19:50 |
| liri | also delete words, yeah | 19:50 |
| t_s_o | not sure if thats even possible... | 19:52 |
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| liri | I'm sure it's possible | 19:57 |
| liri | if I only knew where that dictionary file is located | 19:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection isn t stable undrground | 20:01 |
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| eichi__ | some news about the latest system update and multi boot? | 20:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is there a recommended way to invoke modest to create a new mail ? | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | liri, https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload | 20:12 |
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| * GeneralAntilles just got caught up on scrollback | 20:14 | |
| Khertan_n810 | dbus ? but how ? can t found docs | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:14 |
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| liri | oh my god | 20:19 |
| liri | that silly os upgrade feature wiped up the boot menu with the option to boot to the mmc device | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | haha | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, duh. . . . | 20:21 |
| liri | hardly funny | 20:21 |
| lcuk | liri, but the upgrade is shiney | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just download fanoush's flasher again, stick your bootmenu.conf in there and run it. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, the initfs had to be upgraded. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no other way around it than overwriting it completely. | 20:21 |
| * lcuk facepalms at repeated hoops needed for custom kernels and locations | 20:22 | |
| liri | well I used the clone os script so I didn't do it manually, there-fore I've no idea how to just remove the boot loader menu again | 20:22 |
| lcuk | :D ssu should say "fanoushes kernel has been updated" | 20:22 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: what bootmenu.conf of mine? | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, you don't have one. | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't use penguinbait's .deb installer. | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I can't help you with that | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I KNOW he hasn't updated it for the latest initfs | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you'll be downgrading your initfs if you do it again. | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Install_bootmenu | 20:24 |
| liri | do what again? I obviously can't use the clone os script again because it will wipe clean my mmc2 root with the older version running on the flash | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Install fanoush's modified initfs | 20:27 |
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| liri | GeneralAntilles: can I copy the bootmenu.conf.8x0.example to bootmenu.conf and leave the way it is? would that be able to boot the internal n810 2gb sd card? | 20:38 |
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| liri | GeneralAntilles: I got fanoush's initfs_flasher, is it safe to run on the upgraded version now to recover the bootmenu? | 20:49 |
| mavhk | hi, tried to install maemopadplus from the maemo.org website, OS version 4.2008.30-2, says incompatible application package. So I downloaded the deb, that let's me see details of the error, "application packages missing: libwpeditor-plus (>=1.0-0). Any ideas? | 20:49 |
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| GAN800 | liri, yes. | 20:50 |
| liri | GAN800: ok then, here it goes... | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | To both questions, though I would recommend reading the readme and modifying the .conf to better suit your setup. | 20:51 |
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| liri | GAN800: I don't want to remove entries from it and then get stuck without being able to boot | 20:52 |
| RST38h | mavhk: What OS are you running? | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Oh, 2008 | 20:54 |
| RST38h | mavhk: have you tried installing maemopad+ from the app manager? | 20:54 |
| snowmoon-work | since I'm easily confused... do we need a new highspeed/rotation enabled kernel with 4.1+(SSU 4.2008.30-2) or are we still using the older one | 20:54 |
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| mavhk | RST38h: same error | 20:55 |
| RST38h | explain "need" | 20:55 |
| RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Go to app manager repositories menu and see what repos are installed | 20:55 |
| RST38h | Do you see "extras" there? | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | snowmoon-work, you can get away with the old one. | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what was changed for the kernel. | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it'll boot with the old one. | 20:56 |
| mavhk | 3 nokia ones, maemo extras I enabled, fbreader, and maemo extras-devel I added today, but this failed yesterday. Extras says repository.maemo.org/extras, with free and non-free | 20:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: I wouldn't. | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're welcome to pester qwerty12 about making Nokia give him the new sources so he can patch together a new one. ;) | 20:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: If they really fixed futexes, I wouldn't because futexes needed a kernel fix | 20:57 |
| liri | "make sure you know how to reflash device in unusual way if this fails" heh | 20:57 |
| liri | I hope fanoush is joking :) | 20:57 |
| snowmoon-work | GeneralAntilles: so we don't know if there are fixes yet | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 20:57 |
| snowmoon-work | I'll hold off another day or so | 20:57 |
| RST38h | mavhk: try disabling extras-devel and retrying | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should file a blocker bug if they still haven't posted the sources. | 20:58 |
| liri | what unusual way is there to boot it? | 20:58 |
| liri | ok I'm going with the initfs_flash | 20:58 |
| liri | I hope everything will be ok | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't a whole lot that could go wrong | 20:59 |
| mavhk | RST38h: same error | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and anything that does go wrong is very recoverable. | 20:59 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: ok, going at it... | 21:00 |
| RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Do you have *other* extras repositories in that list? | 21:03 |
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| RST38h | mavhk: Check carefully | 21:03 |
| RST38h | *or* extras-devel repositories | 21:03 |
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| liri | ok reflashed initfs | 21:08 |
| liri | mmc2 boots up, though I tried pressing the menu button and the bootmenu didn't appear | 21:08 |
| liri | menu button on n810 is the bottom one on the left right? | 21:08 |
| mavhk | RST38h: no | 21:09 |
| liri | ahh I always get this confused | 21:11 |
| liri | it's "hold menu button" not just "press it" | 21:11 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: thanks, it worked just fine | 21:11 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: and thanks for the wiki special upload file link | 21:11 |
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| fnordianslip | hi all. having previously built myself a custom kernel for diablo and just upgraded to the new diablo version, do I need to update scratchbox and rebuild the custom kernel, or can I use the old one I built? has the kernel actually changed? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | mavhk: Ok. Disable *all* repos except for Maemo Extras | 21:13 |
| mavhk | RST38h: appears the package is http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/libw/libwpeditor-plus/ but not in the 4.1 tree | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Ah | 21:13 |
| snowmoon-work | fnordianslip: we don't know, updated kernel source package has not yet been released (according to GA) | 21:13 |
| RST38h | This can be fixed :) | 21:13 |
| RST38h | mavhk: Add one more repo | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | mavhk: Copy all entries form the extras repo, but type "chinook" in the distribution field | 21:14 |
| RST38h | then try reinstalling | 21:14 |
| fnordianslip | snowmoon-work: oh great. tnx. | 21:14 |
| mavhk | pity there's no copy in the UI | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | there is, but you will have to copy field by field | 21:16 |
| RST38h | fortunately, there is only one field to copy - URL :) | 21:16 |
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| mavhk | seems to be working, thanks. the app manager is offering me other updates now, best to ignore those and disable the chinook repo? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | update. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | leave chinook repo enabled, it will not harm you | 21:21 |
| RST38h | when those packages appear in the diablo repo, you will get a chance to update again | 21:21 |
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| jigo | is there a way to manually control power management on an n810 under os2008? features such as cpu scaling, putting bluetooth to sleep and wake etc | 21:22 |
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| johnx_ | cpu scaling can me messed with via cpufreq in the same way as any other linux machine | 21:23 |
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| johnx_ | as for bluetooth...that's actually a good question | 21:24 |
| johnx_ | you can certainly just turn bluetooth off via control panel | 21:24 |
| jigo | johnx_: cpufreq-selector? | 21:25 |
| mavhk | thanks RST38h | 21:25 |
| johnx_ | jigo, I actually meant just tweak the files under /sys manually | 21:25 |
| lcuk | jigo /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 21:26 |
| johnx_ | cpufreq-selector might work, but it's not necessary | 21:26 |
| jigo | ahh thanks | 21:26 |
| lcuk | have a look at the others for available options | 21:26 |
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| jigo | that did it, hopefully no background service will alter it | 21:29 |
| johnx_ | you'll need to set it every boot somehow | 21:29 |
| johnx_ | but other than that, I don't recall anything messing with cpufreq settings | 21:30 |
| johnx_ | there are a couple exceptions: certain apps require the DSP to run at full speed and for that to happen the CPU speed will be changed as well | 21:31 |
| jigo | ahh ok thanks for the info | 21:33 |
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| johnx_ | out of curiosity are you changing it so the CPU is always set to minimum or always set to maximum or something else? | 21:35 |
| jigo | I dynamically set it to max when an application does an intensive task and minimum when it's idle | 21:35 |
| johnx_ | that's the same as the default | 21:36 |
| jigo | oh the ondemand governor handles it? | 21:36 |
| johnx_ | yup | 21:36 |
| johnx_ | what governor did you switch to? | 21:36 |
| jigo | because I noticed the frequency being static | 21:36 |
| jigo | even when my application wasn't doing anything (lower speed) | 21:36 |
| jigo | I use performance and powersave | 21:36 |
| johnx_ | nope, it's dynamic. maybe it has a lower threshold for going to high speed than you're used to on a desktop/laptop? | 21:37 |
| jigo | yea that's what it could be | 21:38 |
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| johnx_ | at 165MHz at the low end it doesn't take much to drive the CPU usage up | 21:39 |
| jigo | right | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ondemand can be a bit slow on the uptake, liqbase has a gui for setting the performance as required :) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | i found originally with my coding that a very intense loop was running well but as i optimised it the cpu dropped back and my app ended up slower :( | 21:46 |
| snowmoon-work | I've tried lots of tweaks, but can't seem to push the WiFi to download faster than about 750kB/s | 21:49 |
| snowmoon-work | any thoughts? | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | snowmoon-work, what are you sending over the wire - is this a http download from the web, or ssh type connection | 21:51 |
| lcuk | ^air | 21:51 |
| snowmoon-work | wget http | 21:51 |
| snowmoon-work | > /dev/null | 21:51 |
| lcuk | then i dunno :D people forget about the overhead for ssh, but since thats not an issue | 21:51 |
| snowmoon-work | Yeah, I've been trying to rule out any extra factors | 21:52 |
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| dougt | timeless | timelyx ping? | 21:54 |
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| snowmoon-work | turning power save off on the wifi makes things worse | 21:59 |
| snowmoon-work | weird | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki is hilariously unstable | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | C'mon, server updates! | 22:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: Make a sacrifice. | 22:01 |
| RST38h | [you know the rest] | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm excited for the Maemo IdeaStorm | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be pretty neat once it gets going. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gonna suck with everybody on vacation. | 22:03 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: whole maemo.org seems *really* broken today. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been broken since the server move yesterday morning. | 22:06 |
| RST38h | jott: more than it was in December? | 22:07 |
| jott | RST38h: well it gives timeouts every 2nd request. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, most definitely. | 22:07 |
| jott | or "connection refused" | 22:08 |
| RST38h | kinda works for me | 22:08 |
| lbt | or a blank page | 22:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles sits back and waits patiently for the upgrades. | 22:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | or "Crap.." | 22:08 |
| * lbt kicks ands screams and goes to play in another sandpit | 22:08 | |
| RST38h | Even managed to update the maemo-planet | 22:08 |
| jott | RST38h: lucky you! :) | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, by the way, jott, rm_you and I stole your adv-backlight karma and kept it for ourselves. :P | 22:10 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: hehe and i would not have noticed until some strange karma hindus came along :P | 22:12 |
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| red-zack | http://pic.mellbimbo.hu/files/areyoucrazy.jpg | 22:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade! | 22:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Where's my Sprint logs. . . . | 22:19 |
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| lbt | Error: You can not rate yourself" | 22:21 |
| lbt | this is crimping my Karma plan.... | 22:21 |
| RST38h | red-zack: I can come up with better crap even without getting high | 22:21 |
| RST38h | So, it's F. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 22:21 |
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| jott | lbt: just write a love bot, hugging every plant post. :> | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, file some bugs, rate some articles, maybe get into a garage project or two. :p | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure your email for the mailing lists is in your profile. | 22:24 |
| lardman | ah, the age-old quest for karma | 22:24 |
| jott | best karma per minute will be given my adding things to the download page ;) | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No picking on yerga allowed, jott. :P | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when you subscribe to every change on bugzilla. ;) | 22:25 |
| * lbt is bored with karma now... | 22:26 | |
| * lbt has a short attention span | 22:26 | |
| lardman | jott: why are you anxious about karma? | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if we had a wiki plugin. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | or a real bugzilla plugin. | 22:26 |
| lbt | be nice if we had a wiki | 22:26 |
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| jott | lardman: because it was proposed that you can only vote for the community council if you have a certain karma level | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, we do, just only about 20% of the time. :D | 22:26 |
| lardman | oh I see | 22:26 |
| lbt | I get one click in about 3 | 22:27 |
| * RST38h gets every click | 22:27 | |
| RST38h | dunno why | 22:27 |
| lardman | jott: get elected and skip the karma collection then ;) | 22:27 |
| lbt | I think I'm too noob to vote anyhow... | 22:27 |
| jott | lardman: hah i need to add some downloads first to get the needed 100 karma :) | 22:27 |
| * RST38h suggests flame wars with winner getting all loser's karma. Now, THAT will liven things up! | 22:28 | |
| jott | haha | 22:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles challenges Quim. | 22:28 | |
| lardman | jott: more work on maemo-barcode, release it and gain karma | 22:28 |
| jott | lardman: i don't care about karma :/ | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott should be well over the threshold if adv-backlight were being counted properly. | 22:28 |
| jott | lardman: as in getting it. | 22:28 |
| RST38h | what is the proposed threshold anyway? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's about 48 for Download entry right now. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 25 AND 3 months | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was in favor of 25 OR 3 months, myself. | 22:29 |
| jott | yeah OR would be fine too. | 22:29 |
| lbt | Download entry? | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Products" | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Downloads entry is how they count karma for applications. | 22:30 |
| lbt | gotcha | 22:30 |
| RST38h | But one can easily create dummy download entries | 22:30 |
| lardman | I always said we shouldn't have a hard and fast rule wrt karma, just a guideline | 22:30 |
| jott | RST38h: yep. | 22:31 |
| lbt | anyhow, now I have a test env - I need to test Shopper | 22:31 |
| jott | lbt: when will barcode lookup be integrated? ;) | 22:32 |
| * RST38h has to fix Slide Rule on Maemo | 22:32 | |
| RST38h | and release it finally | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I'm with you on that. | 22:32 |
| lbt | jott: when it makes sense.... and that could be a while ;) | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially for the first round. | 22:32 |
| lbt | It'll do "you're near Sainsbury's and you need stuff" first... | 22:33 |
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| lbt | I checked the internal GPS tracking and I can't do aisle navigation :( | 22:33 |
| lbt | (internal as in inside the supermarket) | 22:33 |
| lardman | ~lart compiler errors, for meaning I made a mistake | 22:33 |
| * infobot strangles compiler errors, with a 9-pole serial cable for meaning I made a mistake | 22:33 | |
| lbt | lardman: hah - complain when you get a c++ template compiler error!!! | 22:34 |
| moontiger | i wonder if someone can help... i installed sbox on my main laptop and it works fine mostly (apart from a whole bunch of missing plugins and start-up warnings and errors) | 22:34 |
| moontiger | on my other laptop it doesnt work so well ... i cant load a python home applet as i get something like "home applet loader not found" type message | 22:35 |
| moontiger | anybody got a clue what could of gone wrong? | 22:35 |
| RST38h | templates = evil | 22:35 |
| moontiger | whats wrong with templates? | 22:35 |
| lbt | moontiger: run-standalone.sh | 22:35 |
| lcuk | lbt | 22:35 |
| lbt | hi lcuk | 22:36 |
| lcuk | you can rate yourself :( i put myself to negative | 22:36 |
| lbt | d'oh - they fixed it or it knew I wasn't *that* good | 22:36 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:36 |
| moontiger | thnx lbt ... but i didnt do that on my other laptop ... i just put a .desktop file in the right place and copied the .py script to the right folder and it would run (for testing of course) | 22:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Where do you rate? | 22:37 |
| * RST38h will rate lcuk back up | 22:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Profile | 22:37 |
| lcuk | :D heh, but i can never remove the black mark on my profile and i am reminded everytime :'( | 22:37 |
| lbt | hmm, how many people are there here? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk.html | 22:37 |
| * lardman feels his karma settling as bluez-utils compiles :) | 22:37 | |
| lbt | can we take the council? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "take"? | 22:37 |
| lardman | overrun? | 22:37 |
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| * moontiger laughs | 22:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Fight? | 22:38 |
| lbt | hostile takeover | 22:38 |
| lbt | game the system | 22:38 |
| * moontiger joins "world of mameo-craft" | 22:38 | |
| RST38h | I got it: maemo.org website only times out once you log in | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Log out - and there won't be any problems | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm planning on running legitimately. ;) | 22:39 |
| * lbt calls for a karma orgy | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | which way? | 22:39 |
| lardman | aaargh, bt headset is flat | 22:39 |
| lcuk | heh @ maemo hacking lovefest | 22:39 |
| dneary | lbt: I guess you could, if you (a) gamed the system or did enough to get over 100 karma and (b) then stuffed the ballot boxes by getting lots of people to get accounts, meet minimum requirements for voting, and then get them all to vote for you | 22:39 |
| dneary | Oh - and you need to get 3 people to do that to control the council | 22:39 |
| * lardman goes to watch tv while charging | 22:39 | |
| moontiger | isnt that like winning an election anyways? | 22:40 |
| jott | dneary: shouldn't be THAT hard. that's what bots are for ;) | 22:40 |
| dneary | jott: Give it a go, prove the system's weak :) | 22:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles deploys the CAPTCHAs! | 22:40 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: trying to rate you up - it rotates but goes back to 1 | 22:40 |
| lbt | moontiger: yep - dneary's thinking manual ;) | 22:40 |
| RST38h | looks like you can only rate people down =) | 22:40 |
| jott | dneary: i rather code something useful ;) | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i'm guessing the maemo hacker who offers to all people who vote for him free prostitutes at the summit will win | 22:41 |
| * lbt hires 1p/minute labour to beat GA's CAPTCHA's | 22:41 | |
| manyoso | lcuk: i almost have it... but when compiling my app that gets pressure info it can't find the XSP headers | 22:41 |
| dneary | lbt: You need to have maemo accounts - which verify email addresses | 22:41 |
| lbt | sooo hard... | 22:41 |
| manyoso | i was following this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data | 22:41 |
| lbt | does it verify 1/domain? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | manyoso, so install the xsp headers | 22:41 |
| moontiger | lbt: rofl | 22:41 |
| manyoso | what package? | 22:42 |
| moontiger | try "apt-cache search xsp" | 22:42 |
| manyoso | never mind, found it | 22:42 |
| manyoso | sorry | 22:42 |
| lcuk | thats ok | 22:43 |
| lcuk | lbt, you are a bit of an activist aren't you | 22:43 |
| * lbt had a bad day ;) | 22:44 | |
| * lbt told too many people to stop whining and get on with it!! | 22:44 | |
| lcuk | i imagine you in a big throne cackling like a meglomaniac whilst waving your fist | 22:44 |
| lbt | http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Response.aspx | 22:45 |
| lcuk | how the feck did you have that link to hand? i'm obviously not the first person to make that observation ;) | 22:45 |
| lbt | I want a new chair | 22:45 |
| lbt | Mrs lbt won't let me have that one :( | 22:45 |
| lcuk | mrs lbt is wise - it doesnt look comfy | 22:46 |
| lbt | I suppose £500 is too much for a chair | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks like a crap chair | 22:46 |
| lbt | "but dear, it's italian leather" | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | not really, aren't aerons still more? | 22:46 |
| lbt | "I don't care it's 500 bloody quid" | 22:46 |
| jott | lbt: tell her she will have to listen to complaints about your spine all day long if she won't agree with the purchase :) | 22:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Big throne really isn't sufficient | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aeron chairs suck. | 22:47 |
| lbt | that's what I said | 22:47 |
| lbt | so I get massages if I get a cheaper chair :D | 22:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But give me a doomsday weapon instead of a big throne any day, and see me cackle ; | 22:47 |
| lbt | that chair is a doomsday weapon! | 22:47 |
| YoG | hi, I'm running os2007he, how can I install libpangocairo | 22:47 |
| jott | yeah when you die by falling of it the universe collapses! :p | 22:48 |
| lcuk | why has it got a brake cable thing coming from one arm? | 22:48 |
| lbt | it has a monoshock | 22:48 |
| lbt | I always wanted a bike with a monoshock | 22:48 |
| lbt | a chair would do... | 22:48 |
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| jott | hmm motored wheels would be nice for a chair :) | 22:48 |
| lbt | nah - jets | 22:48 |
| jott | hover chair? | 22:49 |
| lbt | actually, induction... | 22:49 |
| lbt | I'm right above the garage | 22:49 |
| lcuk | doable today :) | 22:49 |
| lbt | lots of room in there.... | 22:49 |
| RST38h | jott: and a flamethrower | 22:49 |
| lcuk | anyway, i want me one of these: http://tu.trekunited.com/frontpage/images/thetourkirk.jpg | 22:49 |
| RST38h | ugly | 22:50 |
| jott | hehe nerd-o-meter overload :P | 22:50 |
| lcuk | says the linux hacker who solves installation problems whilst wearing trunks and a cape | 22:50 |
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| jott | http://www.elitechoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/armchair1.jpg :) | 22:50 |
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| XTL | And no seat belts | 22:51 |
| lbt | <sigh> reality: http://www.teknikoffice.co.uk/products/Cobham.aspx | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew | 22:51 |
| XTL | The hole is pretty suspicious looking | 22:51 |
| lbt | GA, nah, leather is "ew" | 22:52 |
| jott | XTL: hehe that's what i thought :) | 22:52 |
| lbt | homeworker remember | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need a new chair | 22:52 |
| XTL | Yeah, leather + no pants.. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably just go to Office Depot and get the one on special, though. ;) | 22:52 |
| lbt | XTL - ah, another homeworker ;) | 22:52 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: and find a physio whilst you're at it... | 22:53 |
| lcuk | JUST WEAR YOUR PANTS FFS | 22:53 |
| * lcuk stops ranting | 22:53 | |
| * lbt gets up to find pants.......... <slurp> | 22:53 | |
| Anunakin | any knows where is the libc6-dev package | 22:53 |
| Anunakin | ? | 22:53 |
| * lbt mmm sticky | 22:53 | |
| XTL | I'm to sexy for my pants.. | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Anunakin: fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 22:53 |
| RST38h | type name in there | 22:53 |
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| YoG | can anyone help me find libpangocairo? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | did you check behind the fridge? | 22:55 |
| lbt | YoG: looking... | 22:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, respam ;) | 22:55 |
| YoG | thanks lbt | 22:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles eats chocolate pudding | 22:56 | |
| * lbt isn't surprised GA needs a new chair... | 22:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | My cat likes to sit on the top and claw it | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's largely falling off at this point. | 22:57 |
| lcuk | claw the pudding? | 22:57 |
| lbt | yep - leather is bad for that too | 22:57 |
| * keesj totaly missed coverage about | 22:57 | |
| keesj | 22:57 | |
| keesj | 22:57 | |
| keesj | Embedded and Mobile Day | 22:57 |
| keesj | oops | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, claw the chair, silly. :P | 22:58 |
| XTL | Ours only claw the back from behind | 22:58 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: you have a strange cat, mine would claw the pudding | 22:58 |
| XTL | And the mattress from below | 22:58 |
| moontiger | brb ... back to teaching ;) | 22:59 |
| lbt | YoG: my tablet is being a pain - still looking | 22:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, my cat is strange. | 22:59 |
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| * RST38h had a cat that absolutely loved chewing on the VCR power cord | 23:00 | |
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| * lcuk notes the past tense | 23:01 | |
| RST38h | [unfortunately, she never managed to chew through to the conductors, so my academic interest remains unsatisfied] | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Nokia has seemingly mostly pushed Texrat out of the tablet scene. | 23:03 |
| YoG_ | lbt: sorry, damn windows crashed... did you manage find anything? | 23:03 |
| lbt | I think you need the libpango package - not sure of the precise name | 23:03 |
| lbt | my tablet is a bit unhappy - my multiboot appears borked | 23:04 |
| RST38h | Yog: same - fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 23:05 |
| lbt | RST38h: bookmarked - ta | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | GA: Texrat never worked on the tablets, afaik | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes he did | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and does now. | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He was involved heavily in the manufacture of the N800. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and does something or another tablet-related now. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly I'm lamenting him seeming to have been driven out of tablet-community participation. | 23:13 |
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| snowmoon-work | I think that was his own doing going after a few reviews of the n810 without disclosing his emplyment | 23:14 |
| RST38h | GA: He knew too much! | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Nokia had to maim hima bit | 23:15 |
| snowmoon-work | Of course I could have read the whole incorrectly | 23:15 |
| YoG_ | I'm getting "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current version" with the packages from fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | well he appears to have installed "rebootnow.deb" perfectly well | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | Yog: you have to choose correct OS version | 23:17 |
| amr | i think i'll downgrade to 06 again | 23:17 |
| RST38h | and probably need to add Chinook Extras | 23:17 |
| YoG_ | RTS38h: I have os2007he, and i choose os2007 | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still need to put together that list of website issues for X-Fade | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'll just start filing them as bugs. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | oh | 23:18 |
| * RST38h does not know anything about 2007he | 23:18 | |
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| matteo_ | hi! | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody object to me filing a string of minor website bugs? | 23:19 |
| matteo_ | someone know an alternative link to initfs_flasher.tgz | 23:19 |
| YoG_ | any way to by pass this error? something like forcedepends or something? | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since X-Fade is going away for a while soon. . . . | 23:19 |
| RST38h | GA: Go ahead | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre____? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) enjoy the karma boost | 23:19 |
| RST38h | GA: And do remind them that there is no profile view link from the main maemo.org page | 23:19 |
| andre____ | GeneralAntilles, go go go :) | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it does feel a bit like whoring. :\ | 23:20 |
| lcuk | then you will be used to it :P | 23:20 |
| jott | and then want more and more and even more! | 23:20 |
| jott | until you beat quim :) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | and if you're really good at it, you might be able to afford a doublewide ;) | 23:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles is still waiting on the itT boost to get into Quim's ballpark. ;) | 23:21 | |
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| lbt | hmm - running the 'update tablet' whilst booted from an alternate mmc is kinda scewy... | 23:22 |
| lbt | and it's replaced the initfs... | 23:23 |
| lbt | which makes life interesting | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre____, I really don't want to whore. Do you object to me grouping the Development section typos into a single bug? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., URL, issues from top to bottom | 23:26 |
| lcuk | 1 per typos | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | for each section of Development. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | theres another one ^ | 23:26 |
| andre____ | GeneralAntilles, just do it, sounds good | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 23:26 |
| lcuk | and remember, when the page craps out on you file a bug | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and when the bug reporter craps out on you make a note to file a bug when it works again | 23:27 |
| RST38h | every tim e? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | its like pokemon :D you gotta catch them all | 23:27 |
| * lcuk should really be codin | 23:27 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Scratchbox CPU transparency and maemo3 devkits have been upgraded to 1.0.7 and 1.0.3 respectively." | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/maemo3/Maemo 3.x/ | 23:35 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: "Scratchbox CPU transparency and Maemo 3.x devkits have been upgraded to 1.0.7 and 1.0.3 respectively." | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right>? | 23:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 23:35 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: it's a package called "scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 - Maemo 3 devkit for Scratchbox" | 23:39 |
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| manyoso | lcuk: do you know when the maemo device will support regular XInput extension for pressure information instead of this new specialized XSP extension? | 23:43 |
| manyoso | is that even on the TODO list? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | manyoso, not that i know of - i needed pressure stuff and i found it and have just used it since. | 23:44 |
| lcuk | you could always have a go at making it happen :) | 23:44 |
| manyoso | not at the moment | 23:45 |
| manyoso | first things first :) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | you sound like me ;0 | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | ) even | 23:45 |
| manyoso | lcuk: the nokia devs need something to do ;) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | i think they are quite busy | 23:45 |
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| manyoso | no doubt | 23:46 |
| manyoso | what app do you work on? | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | its called liqbase (theres a yt video somewhere showing some of the old stuff) | 23:47 |
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| Anunakin | what packages I must install on tablet to have a simple, ./configure make make install? gcc g++ binutils make? any more? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | make is easy | 23:56 |
| lcuk | configure and install are tough | 23:56 |
| johnx_ | autotools, automake, libtool probably | 23:56 |
| johnx_ | a whole bunch of -dev packages | 23:57 |
| Anunakin | ok | 23:57 |
| Anunakin | -dev packs are obvious... but others not | 23:57 |
| lcuk | you wont get autoconf on though | 23:58 |
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