IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-08-09

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BinkyHi, useful trouble-solvers!00:08
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BinkyAnyone heard about the Application Manager: Operation failed error?00:12
BinkyNevermind. I was trying a dpkg --configure -a00:13
BinkyBut i got this
BinkyWhat the hell does it means?00:13
Binkybef0rd, me siento mal, toda esta gente me resuelve los problemas y no les doy un duro -_-00:14
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bef0rdheh, are you sure that error message is complete? there seems to be something missing at the end00:16
BinkyI noticed it too, but it is complete00:16
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BinkyMaybe it wants to say Version contains a space or a "'"00:17
BinkyAny i00:19
bef0rdyea heh00:19
bef0rdthere seems to be a problem with a package00:19
bef0rdwith python2.5-runtime00:20
BinkyThe python one00:20
bef0rdwhere did you get it from? extras?00:20
BinkyI believe00:20
BinkyI think so lol00:20
BinkyHmmm, i would uninstall it, but app manager does not work. Apt-get purge doesn't. Is there another way or command?00:21
bef0rd# apt-get -f install00:22
BinkyOh god, i feel idiot lol00:22
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bef0rdI mean, try that, dont know if it'll solve it00:23
Binkysame error given00:23
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BinkyThere Should be a way to uninstall it.... -F install would solve depends. But the problem is in the package, i believe...00:24
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bef0rdtry apt-cache policy python2.5-runtime00:25
bef0rdto see where does it come from00:25
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BinkyIt says nothing but the error -_-U00:27
BinkyQuote: this is what i did when i had that error and it saved me. When i looked at my status file, it had some corruption (non-ascii characters) in it.00:28
BinkyThat means why it looked uncomplete00:28
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BinkyOoook. I must replace /var/lib/dpkg/status with  /var/lib/dpkg/status-old00:31
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BinkyWhich is a backup file00:32
BinkyHow do i do it from xterm?00:32
bef0rdgot root?00:32
bef0rdmv /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status-corrupted00:32
bef0rdmv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status00:33
BinkyIs the first necessary?00:33
BinkyBecause i'll b replacing it anyway00:33
bef0rdit won't 'replace' it if there is a file with the same name00:34
bef0rdI would change the second one though00:34
bef0rdcp /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status00:34
bef0rdthat will create a copy instead of only renaming it00:34
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BinkyOh, blooding hell. That didn't solve the problem.00:36
* Binky cries00:36
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VeggenDoes anyone have a jaiku invite for me? Is that how it works?00:44
bef0rdI read that there is a site that 'gives' jaiku invites00:46
BinkySorry, i do not have00:47
BinkyDo you want gmail invites? Lol00:47
Veggengmail I have :)00:47
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pupniki need one Binky00:48
bef0rdwe need one of those "I'm Rich" apps00:48
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Binkypupnik, we could sell them00:49
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Binkybef0rd, i can't remove the package01:01
bef0rdcan't you reflash? :P01:02
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BinkyIs the last thing i would do lol01:03
bef0rdlet me see, there should be a way to fix it01:04
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bef0rdapt-get clean;apt-get autoclean;apt-get update01:06
BinkyTried them all01:06
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bef0rddo you have nano installed?01:07
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BinkySorry, i pushed enter instead of return01:08
BinkyJust removed it when i got the error01:09
BinkyI can open in another text editor01:09
Binkylol, ji ^^01:11
bef0rdI thought it was 'ji editor' or something01:11
BinkyWhat file should i edit then?01:12
bef0rdcopy status file to your external mmc01:12
bef0rdopen it on your pc01:12
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bef0rdand check near line 737001:13
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BinkyI have my pc broken01:14
BinkyMaybe i have vim01:14
bef0rdI can't fix that01:16
BinkyOoooooh. I'll have to scroll tooooo much01:16
bef0rdthere's a shortcut to go to an specific line number01:16
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bef0rdIf you want to go to the nth line, type the number n followed by G. For example, 150G takes you to the 150th line. If you don't have as many as 150 lines, you won't be punished -- the cursor just jump to the last line.01:17
Binky'G' is not implemented -_-U01:20
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BinkyOk, i'm there01:23
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t_s_ough, seems like having swap on the internal N800 card while plugging the tablet into my desktop pc triggers some kind of bug in the linux ehci driver01:27
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Binkyt_s_o, ehci?01:28
t_s_ousb 2.0 speeds iirc01:28
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t_s_othat is on my desktop end btw, but i cant trigger it with anything but my tablet01:29
t_s_oand with swap off, i cant trigger it at all...01:29
BinkySorry, i'm spanish and don't know what trigger means01:30
BinkyI head it in KISS' Love Gun "you pull out the trigger of myyyy.... Love gun!"01:30
BinkyOh, and in s01:31
GeneralAntillesSince is WONTFIX, I'm ready to disallow anonymous edits over http.01:31
GeneralAntillesAnybody object?01:31
BinkyGeneralAntilles, what if someone provides a solution? Won't be able to put it in the wiki01:32
BinkyOr is it unfixable?01:32
GeneralAntillesIt's the server setup.01:32
GeneralAntillesIt COULD be fixed.01:32
GeneralAntillesBut probably more effort than it's worth01:32
GeneralAntillesand it's not going to be fixed anytime soon, anyway.01:33
BinkyDo what you think is right anyway01:33
t_s_obingo, add swap to the internal card, plug usb cable in, try to mount internal card and boom errors all over the place on my desktop end...01:34
GeneralAntillesI need some sort of consensus01:34
GeneralAntillesThere wasn't one the last time it came up.01:34
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rm_youjohnx: O_o02:31
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pupnikthe state is never innocent04:36
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rm_youhrm, super tempting:
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GeneralAntillesWhat in the world would you do with a 24-port switch?06:32
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lpotterhook up a bunch of different boxes06:35
GeneralAntillesWell, duh06:40
GeneralAntillesBut there's no way he has more than 10 of those. :P06:40
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GreyFoxx24 ports can shrink faster than you might expect.  I'm using like 20 ports out of my 24 port :)06:49
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pupnik<stupid joke censored>06:58
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Andrewfblack_hey is the kernal flasher something that runs on your tablet or a PC?07:31
pupnikpc normly07:31
GeneralAntillesWell, there is a flasher on the tablet for kernel and initfs07:33
Andrewfblack_I don't think I will ever get rotation to work :)07:33
GeneralAntillesIt involves installing a couple packages and a kernel. . . .07:34
Andrewfblack_I've installed everything it has to install and downloaded the kernal07:34
Andrewfblack_just get flash the kernal07:34
Andrewfblack_just can't flash it I mean07:34
GeneralAntillesfiasco-flasher -k <zImage> -f07:35
GeneralAntillesqwerty12 or jott will put together a package to handle it all soon enough,07:35
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smackpotatohows screen rotation working out for everybody. i cant think of anything to do with it07:38
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Andrewfblack_lol well I got it to flash the kernal but now it wont boot07:45
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Andrewfblack_well its late and I need to reflash tablet again now lol later07:50
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chellizap: are you there?10:38
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zapchelli: wanted to ask something?10:47
zapoh cool, builder is clear from old cruft10:48
chellizap: could you please try to upload unzip and unrar-nonfree with increased version numbers again, because it is a little bit annoying that they are uninstallable in extras-devel, please see also:
chellizap: especially look at comment #1 from Niels10:49
zapah, thats why it isn't in Packages10:50
zapthis sucks indeed10:50
zapI don't want to increase version number just because there was some bug in autobuilder :-(10:50
chellizap: as far as i can see, you uploaded the same version of unzip 6 times, you ot 4 times an ok, and i am pretty much sure that it is uninstallable sine it was built sucessfully the second time10:51
zapthere were some very minor tweaks10:51
chellizap: it is no bug in the autobuilder, you should allways!!!! increase the revision number when you upload a package that was built sucessfuly before10:51
chellizap: in case of unzip, it should just be 5.52-14-maemo4 then10:52
zapI thought extras-devel was a special repository where you can fix build/compatibility and other packaging issues10:52
zapI'll use my own repository for this then10:53
chellizap: yes, local testing without increasig the revision number should be fine, but on public repositories you should always increase the revision if you make a change, no matter how small this change might be10:54
zapI was imagining extras-devel as a non-public (for end-users) repository10:55
zapbut I see your point10:55
chellizap, not really, extras-devel is for developing and testing, but if a package is uninstallable, this hurts everyone who has your package installed and is using extras-devel, i also believe that a big number of end-users is using this repository too10:57
moontigeri thought extras-devel had to contain only installable stuff?10:58
chellizap: my opinion is that it should not matter if a totally broken package gets into extras-devel, as long as the maintainer cares and fixes the problem in a relatively short amount of time ;-)10:59
zapand even in a not-very-short too11:00
zapinstalling unknown packages from extras-devel is a risk on your own11:00
chellimoontiger: yes, it should, but afaik there are no automated test that really verify the installability of a package before it gets into extras-devel11:00
moontigerim a bit new to this but i thought that if a packages dependencies were met then it should be installable no?11:02
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chellizap: of course end-users using this repository should be aware of possible problems, but other developers should be aware that packages in extras-devel might be build-dependencies for packages from other people, so a broken package in extras-devel might also break building for other packages too, and this is a far bigger problem than only one broken package itself11:03
zapX-Fade: are you here?11:04
moontigerwould it be safe to say that it is best to depend only on known packages or other packages that you know to be good?11:04
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zapmoontiger: someone may upload a broken 'package that you know to be good' together with your upload11:05
moontigerzap: right ... yes i see11:06
moontigeri also see how having an automatic checking tool would be tricky too as the target is always moving11:06
chellizap: yes, and ths is also a reason for increasing the reision numbers, otherwise it is nearly impossible to distinguish a package(-version) that is known to be goog from a broken one ;-)11:07
zapthe best thing would be to upload your own packages, on which nobody depends :)11:07
zapbut in my case unzip IS a package on which my package depends ;)11:07
moontigerisnt that getting towards the windows dev model where all apps are huge monoliths that include everything they need?11:08
zapno, it's just taking into account the problems that can arise because of the inverse model11:08
moontigerright ... of course11:09
moontigerbut how can we stop someone taking a package that we depend on (and have even written maybe) and modifying it and re-uploading it?11:09
zapwe don't stop him, we bug him until he gets it fixed11:10
moontigeror fix it ourselves i guess if it was from us originally ... as you say better to rely on your own stuff11:10
moontigerif possible11:10
chelliwell, packages might include all stuff they need to build, even if there are separate packages for it but at least in Debian this usually leads to a so called Release-Critical-Bug11:10
zapand in debian gzip package depends in mingw32 %-O11:11
infobotzap meant: and on debian gzip package depends in mingw32 %-O11:12
zapdumb infobot11:12
chellinice feature :)11:12
zapI was shocked when I did apt-get source gzip11:12
moontigerreally?? that doesnt make any sense11:12
chellizap: in Debian there are the so called non-maintainer-uploads (NMU) where developers are allowed to fix critical bugs in other developers packages, but as long as there is no defined policy for such things, it would not do an NMU, even if i could, because the other developer might not like it :)11:16
chelli(no defined policy for maemo)11:16
zapsee the Depends: line11:16
zap(Build-Depends: that is)11:16
chelli"patch from upstream to fix compilation with mingw32, and patch from11:18
chelli    Robert Millan to build a win32 executable if mingw32 is available, all11:18
chelli    to fix a preseeding problem in the win32-loader for Debian Installer.11:18
chelli    closes: #457867" (from the changelog of gzip)11:18
chelliso it really has a purpose :)11:19
zapSure, Debian for Windows11:19
zapis Windows a supported hardware platform for Debian? :)11:19
zapI think if somebody wants a gzip-win32, he could do a separate gzip-win32 package11:20
chellizap: no, win32-loader is a bootloader to boot linux from the windows bootloader, from the description: "This package provides a win32 program that can be used as a loader for11:20
chelli Debian Installer, acting as a more user-friendly boot mechanism than11:20
chelli traditional BIOS-based boot."11:20
zaprather than forcing everybody who want to recompile gzip (even for ARM) to download a 26Mb archive with cruft11:21
chellizap: ok, i just googled it, win32-loader is part of a very cool way to install debian from windows, see:
zapso what :)11:24
chellizap: an additional source-package would mean code-duplication and nobody wants to duplicate code (at least quality-aware people should want to avoid this) :)11:25
Stskeepsi still wonder why xfce4 pulls in finnish phonetics.11:26
Stskeepsin debian11:26
zapStskeeps: because there's a new way to install Debian from Finnish11:26
zap(or from Finland?)11:26
Stskeepsspeaking to it? :P11:26
zapdunno, look on youtube :)11:27
chellizap: :)11:27
zapSad, looks like Xarchiver/maemo release will not happen on these holidays too, despite the fact that I finished it half of month ago11:29
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chellizap: so could you please upload a versions of unzip and unrar-nonfree to make them installable again? (if you do not want to, i am volunteering to test NMU's of these packages) ;-)11:38
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aquatixwtf, why are my maemo contacts suddenly messed up again?11:46
aquatixi had them all named and merged correctly :/11:46
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Stskeepswhat is that open source alternative OS that indt does? manona? can't seem to get the spelling right11:55
Stskeepsah, nm, got it11:55
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zapchelli: I want to try to bug X-Fade (for the last time, I promise! :) to do a repository reindex11:55
GeneralAntillesHe's gone for vacation, isn't he?11:56
zapchelli: the same problem is with 7 packages, and I doubt the builder will be happy to rebuild all of them from scratch in two variants (diablo and chinook)11:56
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zapis he?11:56
chelliGeneralAntilles:  from aug 14 he is on vacation as far aas i saw in the wiki11:56
chellizap: the autobuilder was hammered with mutiple builds of qt4-x11 in the last week, i really doubt that rebuilds of your 7 very small packages would hurt the builder in any way ;-)11:58
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chellii hope that X-Fade will be able to fix my problem with the autobuilder/repository before his vacation too, i am trying to get a new package (canola-flickr-plugin) into the repository since Tuesday, i always mysteriously disappears after the autobuilder built it fine :(12:01
zapor alternative, he could give us ze root pazzw0rd :-E12:02
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chelliwell, in my case i am now going to setup a temporary repository for my package, i really wanted to avoid creating new repositories, but i am a little bit tired of waiting for this to be fixed :(12:06
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Stskeepsheh, it's funny - dschmicker managed to end up how to debootstrap on tablet with same method as i did :>12:12
Stskeeps(on ITt)12:12
qwerty12He wants to make an installer too :D12:13
Stskeepsyeah, sent him a private message12:14
Stskeepshe seems to have worked out part of the sound problem too, like you posted12:14
Stskeepsprivate message as in "hey, good job, you're welcome to join us if you want", not threats ;>12:14
qwerty12Cool :)12:15
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``Cubeguys? do you like the new logo?12:17
Stskeepsthe maemo one? :P12:17
``Cubeyea ;)12:17
``CubeStskeeps: ?12:18
Stskeepsi'm rather so-so about it, it's alright i guess - nothing really ground-breaking12:18
Stskeepsthen again, i'm a computer scientist, i don't have a sense of art aesthetics ;)12:18
DekaritaeIt's vaguely jesusfish12:19
``CubeStskeeps: exactly - there were soo many other submission that looked nice, and even had something unique and recognizable with the ae.12:19
``Cubeheh ;)12:19
``CubeI mean the flat variants are rather okay12:19
``Cubejust the ae isn't that recognizable12:19
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user__hi there. I have an "unable to create virtual..."error on my tablet but I have enough free space. any idea?12:22
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Binkybefr0d, are you bef0rd?12:23
qwerty12user__, Check if the mmc isn't corrupt, in unix, fsck.vfat (iirc) and in windows, chkdsk12:23
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bef0rdhi Binky.12:24
BinkyBig lol!12:24
BinkyI almost solved it all12:24
user__qwerty12 is it possible to do that from the tablet?12:24
bef0rdcool, what did you do?12:25
Binkybef0rd, error is in this line12:25
Binky, python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-12:25
BinkySorry, , python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-)12:25
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qwerty12user__, Which tablet is it?12:26
bef0rdwhat should it say then?12:26
* bef0rd checks his dpkg status file12:26
BinkyIt has a character that is not "permitido" (how do i say it?)12:26
BinkyIt is a space or a ', i believe12:27
qwerty12user__, if it's an N810, the internal memory may be corrupt:
BinkyOhhh, thanks, i didn't remember12:27
user__ok, I will read that. I maybe need a fresh full reinstall, my / has only 30m leftfree space12:28
bef0rdBinky, ok, I see mine I believe12:28
bef0rddo you want me to paste it?12:29
BinkyIf you can, please12:30
bef0rdok let me get down stairs12:30
BinkyI have 770 and OS2006 if it's important12:31
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bef0rdI think its not but compare it to yours anyway12:33
BinkyMaybe some part is missing12:34
bef0rdthat's how the line starts with, right?12:36
Binky Yes12:37
BinkyI wrote  1osso2 to see what happens =)12:38
bef0rdyou could also try to remove ', python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-)' if that doesnt solve it12:40
BinkyApp manager does not boot12:41
bef0rdthat dpkg command you were using yesterday12:42
BinkyOh, just take three times more than yesterday to boot...12:42
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chelli"python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-)" is invalid, i believe it must either be "(>= 0.5.1)" or something like "(>= 0.5.1-1)"12:47
BinkyOk. Nevermind. It is solved12:47
BinkyBut there are more errors12:48
Binkynumptyphisics package12:49
BinkyDuplicate maemo-26-icon12:49
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bef0rdno idea, can you remove it?12:50
BinkyI'm looking. Line 405...12:51
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Binky i CAN'T12:52
bef0rdhow is that.12:52
Binkyduplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26'12:53
BinkyThat field is like 40 lines of random numbers and letters12:53
BinkyI can't see nothing duplicated12:53
qwerty12It's an png encoded in base6412:54
BinkyIt will take time to figure where the hell is12:54
bef0rddelete everythin12:55
bef0rdyou dont need the icon12:55
bef0rdI mean delete from12:55
bef0rdMaemo-Icon-26: BLABLA12:55
bef0rdtol the last line of base6412:55
BinkyIncludin maemo-icon-26 line12:55
RST38hkill kill12:56
bef0rdBinky, you still have the status old backup, right?13:01
zapbomb, bomb13:01
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AStormI'm getting size mismatches from extras-devel13:14
AStormfor bzip2, unrar and unzip13:14
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zapAStorm: it's a known problem13:16
AStormwhat's the workaround?13:16
zapdo you get that when you try to install them, or when building packages?13:16
zapyou can just get the .debs directly and install them13:17
AStormit doesn't make upgrade skip them13:17
zapfrom here13:17
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Binkybef0rd, i have it13:17
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zaphmm, xchat crashed13:18
AStormzap: its chinook here13:18
zapfrom here:
zapI gave you the wrong url13:18
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zapfor chinook just replace diablo by chinook13:18
zapin the url13:18
AStormit does dl them from there13:19
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AStormFailed to fetch  Size mismatch13:19
zapI know13:19
zapthat's because Packages file has not been updated13:20
zapX-Fade: beep, beep13:20
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AStormneed a workaround to make upgrade think they've been upgraded (i did install with dpkg)13:22
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zapI don't think it's a good idea to do apt-get upgrade with extras-devel enabled13:26
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mangeis it possible to totally remove modest from diablo?13:42
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AStormzap: it usually works13:42
AStormand I can rollback if needed13:42
zapAStorm: there are no guarantees13:43
AStormI know that13:43
AStormthere are no guarantees if you add coreutils either13:43
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zapor if you add sdk repos13:44
zaptry bash from there ;-)13:45
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AStormzap: one from nittools works13:54
zapsure it does, I just want to point out that not every repository is sane to use for a upgrade on NIT :)13:55
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AStormyup :>13:56
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mangedoes a background image consume more battery?14:05
mangei mean, in a significant way14:05
glasscan't think why it would14:05
mangei mean, if the code is like "if (haveBackground) { foreach Pixel in bitmapArray: putPixel(..); } then it would, yes?14:06
mangeif it does that for each desktop redraw14:06
glassdunno why it would be that stupid14:07
mangeotherwise it can just do some hardware call to floodfill a region with a certain color14:07
glassi'd imagine it would have the background image anyways, be it a picture or not, in memory and just memcpy it14:07
crashanddiemange, I agree that some applications are poorly engineered, but I doubt that the background code is actually that poor14:08
mangeokey, nice to hear14:08
mangei really like my background image :)14:08
crashanddiedjeezus, my internet is slooooow14:11
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AStormmange: I noticed no time gain w/o bg14:15
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pupnikwhat's the best maemo 'client' for mediaRSS?14:36
pupniki want to get notices, or autoget a podcast14:36
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f0rtexhi everybody! has anybody an usb-audio device working with N810 Diablo release ?14:40
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crashanddief0rtex, don't think so mate14:44
jotti can't see the problem if the device is supported by linux.14:46
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AStormit needs a powered hub though14:47
AStormand the alsa driver14:48
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f0rtexain't alsa drivers installed by default?14:49
jottyou need the driver/module for the specific usb soundcard.14:50
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f0rtexare they in the repository or do i have to compile them ...14:51
jotti bet you have to compile them14:51
f0rtexok, thanks.14:53
jottand remember that the n810 does not provide the full 500mA, so you might need a powered hub (or power injected cable) as astorm said.14:55
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jottwhat do you want to do with it?14:55
disqgot one of those nokia ad-54 music headset controls14:56
f0rtexattach my n810 to my hifi system :)14:56
disqwonder if i can use it with the tablets14:56
f0rtexI used to do it with my zaurus c3000 :)14:57
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AStormf0rtex: uhm...14:57
AStormcan't use the minijack?14:57
f0rtexsure, but you've the geek-effect with usb-audio ;)14:58
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f0rtexand you've only to attach one cable14:59
jottyou could do funny mixing sessions with two soundcards - mobile dj set :)14:59
jotthm my usb soundcard seems to just use 100mA so it should work without power injection.15:01
f0rtexI have a hard disk attached to my n810 too so I need definitively a hub15:03
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pupnikMann Adobe Flash: Integer overflow in Adobe Flash Player and earlier, and and earlier, allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code via a crafted SWF file with a negative Scene Count value, which passes a signed comparison, is used as an offset of a NULL pointer, and triggers a buffer overflow.
pupnikold but ick, ick, ick15:07
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mangehey, is there a snes or mame emulator on n810?15:14
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mangei noticed there are emulators for nes and gameboy already15:15
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pupnikyes xmame. no real snes yet15:22
pupnikif you don't mind launching from command line you can try
mangethank you15:25
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pupnikhopefully a fullspeed snes this year15:26
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pupnikshould have been finished in spring15:26
AStormcanola guys broke their youtube package15:31
AStormit has ~ instead of - in the version string15:32
jott~ is valid for version strings.15:33
chelli~ is allowed in version strings15:33
AStormso they just weren't updated or sth15:34
AStormnew install of canola pulled in beta9-maemo1 and not beta9-maemo215:35
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RST38hpupnik: snes9x should rule =)15:43
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MakeGhoare you really able to play with the n8x0 keyboard?15:55
MakeGhothat sounds unbelievable15:56
MakeGhowhat's the point of having such software if the controls are unusable =)15:56
MakeGhoothern than the leetness points, "look, I can do this and this with my device"15:56
Kegetysuse a gamepad15:56
Kegetysand you do not have to play games where you need "fast" controls15:56
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AStormwell, arrows work ok15:57
crashanddieI should try to get a PS3 controller to work on the NIT15:57
AStormand the 4 color keys are ok too15:57
* crashanddie adds yet another item to the whiteboard15:57
AStormas "hukm"15:58
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pupnikMakeGho: right now i'm playing with the keyboard instead of dpad on my nes emu16:05
pupnikso qweasdzxc and uiojklm,.16:05
pupnikgives me the diagonals16:06
MakeGhosounds like a better idea16:07
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Kegetys bluetooth keyboard should be good too16:09
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ywwgcan someone reopen bug 1738?  I've added a patch but I don't seem to have the permissions to reopen it myself16:49
zapcreate a dup :)16:50
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ywwgconsidering I filed the original bug, I don't think that will go over well :P16:55
chellizap: plese, please fix your packages in extras-devel (see: for another reason why you should reupload your packages as soon as possible (bzip2 in this case))16:59
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zapokay, looks like X-Fade is already on holidays17:00
chellizap: yes, might be possible, i did not get an answer from him on Thursday and Friday, last time i spoke with him was Wednesday17:00
lcuknokians dont go on holiday.  they are recalled to the mothership for re-imaging17:01
mikkov_chelli: you wan't to play abuse? ;)17:06
crashanddiewan't ?17:06
mikkov_ööh want17:06
crashanddietha'ts enuff abbuce liek dat !17:06
mikkov_english is hard ;)17:06
chellimikkov_: well, i would like to have less easy-to-fix bugs in extras-devel ;-)17:07
mikkov_non installable bzip2 is not in diablo extras-devel17:07
crashanddiemikkov_, you might find this interesting: :D17:07
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mikkov_to me it looks like qt4 compiling right now17:08
chellimikkov_: this is the problematic bzip2: and exactly this version is installed while building abuse-sdl ("Get:33 http://osso.stage.dmz chinook/free bzip2 1.0.4-2maemo1 [38.8kB]")17:10
mikkov_abuse was on chinook autobuilder17:11
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mikkov_diablo version is compiling now17:11
chelliok, the it is this one: :)17:11
mikkov_ntp needed bzip2 and it was OK17:11
chellimikkov_: my guess is that the diablo build will fail too :)17:11
chelliok, then the diablo version is fixed17:12
mikkov_yeah but not chinook ;)17:12
chelliyet another reason not to upload different packages with the same version number - you can just not distinguish the broken one from the one which is fine :)17:13
mikkov_qt4 is building
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chellizap: thank you very much :)17:25
zapnp :)17:25
chellimikkov_: i guess you can retry abuse-sdl on chinook :)17:25
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chellihooray, unzip is installable again ;-)17:53
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crashanddielcuk, pong18:10
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blaz3hello all, i was wondering if there was an IRC client for OS200818:14
crashanddiexchat ?18:14
blaz3thank you!18:14
crashanddieqwerty12, you coming down to London 2600 next week ?18:15
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qwerty12crashanddie, hmm, I'd like to but I'm a skint shit at the moment :/18:15
crashanddiework some18:16
qwerty12Yeah, hmm. Hopefully, I can get some money. It would have been easier if my sister hadn't had lost my oyster card.18:18
crashanddieqwerty12, get her to get you a new one18:19
crashanddieqwerty12, can't you like ask for a new one, considering it's lost ?18:19
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qwerty12I never reported it lost :(. At the time, I was getting free travel for 2 years but then they reduced it to one year. Also, there is no point come think of for applying because I'm gonna be 16 in a few months and I may as well apply for a proper oyster card then.18:20
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crashanddieqwerty12, then get your sis to pay for all your travels until you're 1618:28
* qwerty12 is pondering that idea18:29
MangoFusiondo you actually look 16?18:30
qwerty12yeah, otherwise I'd have lied :(18:30
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crashanddieMangoFusion, lol... qwerty12 doesn't look 1618:33
crashanddieMangoFusion, far from that even18:33
crashanddieMangoFusion, as his nickname states, he looks 12 :D18:33
qwerty12crashanddie, :P18:34
mikkov_chinook bzip2 still uninstallable18:34
mikkov_or is it noninstallable...18:36
mikkov_what is it then? ;)18:38
crashanddienot-installable ?18:38
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Jsn0327is it worth upgrading to diablo from os2008 right now?18:41
crashanddieJsn0327, don't see any reasons against it18:41
chellizap: "Setting up bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo2) ...18:42
chelli/var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 9: gtk-update-icon-cache: command not found" (bzip2 on chinook)18:42
Jsn0327well what are the major improvements over os2008?  Is the diablo release an alpha or beta release?18:42
crashanddieJsn0327, neither, it's a full release18:43
Jsn0327does a2dp work in diablo?18:43
crashanddieJsn0327, major improvements: no reflashing for next OS updates, the update manager is now "automatic" (notifies you on the home screen when packages are available for update), new email client, new browser backend18:44
Jsn0327those are pretty significiant18:44
qwerty12Some could argue if "new email client, new browser backend" is an improvement18:44
aquatixJsn0327: let's just say that it's a good idea to upgrade :)18:44
* aquatix is happy with diablo18:44
Jsn0327any report on the functionality of a2dp?18:45
chelliJsn0327: afaik nothing changed related to a2dp compared to Chinook18:45
Jsn0327that sucks. You would think that a2dp would be a pretty high priority for nokia18:47
qwerty12Well it is for them with their phones.18:48
Jsn0327no it's for any bluetooth enabled media product18:49
zapchelli: damnit!18:49
Jsn0327it's included with choinook but it wasn't enabled because it wasn't complete18:49
Jsn0327i just figured that they would complete it before the release of diablo18:50
Jsn0327oh well18:50
zapchelli: what's strange, I have it in my scratchbox18:50
zapf*k, f*k, f*k18:51
chellizap: [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > dpkg -S `which gtk-update-icon-cache`18:52
chellilibgtk2.0-bin: /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache18:52
chellidoes bzip2 depend on libgtk2.0-bin?18:52
zapbut Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz contains gtk-update-icon-cache!18:53
zapI double checked that!18:53
zapWhat SDK are using them in the builde? I can't get that18:54
chellimy scratchbox says it is in libgtk2.0-bin :)18:54
zaplibgtk2.0-bin is part of SDK18:54
zapdo I have to list gtk2.0 as a dependency for any gtk package then?18:55
mikkov_autobuilder doesn't have about anything installed by default18:55
chelliyes, but autobuilder is special, it just installs a minimal environment, which does not neccesarily mean the every package which is installed in scratchzbox is installed in the autobuilder environment too18:55
zapok, where I can see the list of essential packages in Maemo?18:56
zapor a list of packages that autobuilder uses?18:56
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mikkov_autobuilder disk is full again :)18:57
mikkov_or not..18:57
chellizap: for libraries, this is handled by ${shlibs:Depends} in the Depends line in debian/control, so packages do not need to manually list all library in depends, but for additional commands you run in the maintainer scripts (post{inst|rm}, pre{inst|rm}), you must add dependencies yourself18:58
mikkov_is gtk-update-icon-cache necessary for bzip2? at least it's not needed when installing applications with .desktop file19:00
chellizap, or you can call the command this way: "gtk-update-icon-cache || true" this way it will never fail, even if gtk-update-icon-cache is not available ;-)19:00
zapmikkov_: for .desktop files you have to specify desktop-file-utils in dependencies19:00
zapif you don't, this is an error!19:01
mikkov_i don't use update-desktop-database and it's working for me19:03
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zapthat's because your package is not used in the autobuilder :(19:05
mikkov_but i don't call it anywhere ;)19:05
mikkov_maybe it shoudl be used..19:06
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zapchelli: uploaded a fixed bzip2...19:08
chellitell it mikkov_, it his abuse-sdl which build-depends on quilt, which depends on bzip2 ;-)19:10
shdif an application would have a default download directory, what would be the preferred path on maemo?19:10
zapchelli: what other packages do you use at the build stage?19:11
shd~/MyDocs looks obvious..19:11
zapand its the best choice, if not /media/mmc119:11
chellizap: it depends, one of my packages build-depends on zip for example19:12
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shdzap: i think i'll create a directory under /media/mmc?/, these files can be rather large (video)19:13
chellii think that /media/mmc2 might be better, this oe is available at least on every n810, /media/mmc1 is only available if an memory card is inserted in the external slot of the n8x019:15
zapshd: The best way would be to ask user, and default to ~/MyDocs/.video19:15
chellizap: yes, agreed19:15
zapshd: some people (like me) have already ~/MyDocs/.video a symlink pointing to the right place :)19:15
shdzap: i also have a symlink at home dir :)19:16
shdzap: we will make the download path configurable of course, but i'm looking for the best default.. i'm guessing mmc device is the safest default bet now19:17
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jottshd: why not ask on first start?19:18
shdjott: i like programs that don't ask questions by default19:18
jottbetter than programs that break things :)19:19
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shdwell, it hasn't happened yet :)19:19
pupnikwow the flash exploit was amazing19:20
shdusually, when i install some program, i don't want to configure it.. just apt-get install program, and then i can directly use it.. sane defaults rule :)19:20
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jottthe only sane default would be .video as this is the canonical location for videos.19:21
mikkov_pupnik: one more reason to disable flash ;)19:23
zapshd: then use ~/MyDocs/.video, that's what Nokia programs use19:24
shdzap: it's not necessarily videos..19:25
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crashanddielcuk, second pong19:28
jottshd: then use ~/MyDocs/.documents - that's where all "other stuff" usually goes.19:28
shdjott: okay19:28
shdmy heuristics is: 1. find mmc device, use that. if not found, use ~/MyDocs/.documents19:29
jotti think writing on mmc without asking users is always bad.19:29
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shdhmm.. perhaps.. i'll just make it ~/MyDocs/.documents then. the user can configure it to mmc if needed19:30
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chellimikkov_: your abuse-packages seem to install still bzip2 1.0.4-2maemo2, seems that the package files have not yet been regenerated, otherwise it should install 1.0.4-2maemo319:39
mikkov_chelli: yeah i noticed19:40
RST38hmoo all19:40
mikkov_is that current diablo bzip2 installable? (1.0.4-2maemo2)19:41
chellizap: a fixed unrar-nonfree for diablo is still missing ;-)19:41
zapdid changed bzip2 work?19:42
chellimikkov_: i do not know19:42
zapI'm waiting some positive result to avoid multiple useless uploads19:42
chellizap: the latest bzip2 is not yet available in the repo19:42
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mikkov_here diablo bzip2 didn't work
mikkov_sorry wrong address19:43
zap/var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 9: gtk-update-icon-cache: command not found19:44
zapthats the old bzip2 package19:44
mikkov_did you upload maemo3 for diablo?19:44
mikkov_oh now it's there ;)19:45
mikkov_waiting for repositories to update19:46
chelliit would be great if my canola-flickr-plugin would appear in the repo as well, just tried another upload, same situation as always, package builds fine, but seems to go to /dev/null after the build :(19:46
mikkov_canola-flickr-plugin has a directory but it's empty ;)
chellimikkov_: yes, i know, even the sources are integrated under :(19:51
mikkov_chelli: maemo is changing to source only distro ;)19:52
chellilets switch the base-system to gentoo and build everything on the tablets with emerge, the code must be faster then ;-)19:53
mikkov_absolutely :)19:54
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chellito bad that is not available anymore :)19:56
chelliah, there is a new version of the page at :)19:56
Stskeepszanshin: how's the deblet going?19:57
zanshinI've installed nit-env-stskeeps :)19:57
Stskeepszanshin: and it runs without issue?19:58
zanshinIt's pretty ok, but the device specs are not up to it19:58
zanshinit runs ok until you startup a browser :)19:58
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zanshinmenu's are pretty smooth etc. But don't run any applications19:58
lbtI'm trying to setup multiboot but I can't get a 2nd OS image to boot19:58
Stskeepswell there's no browser automatically installed :P19:58
Stskeepszanshin: maybe swap is a good thing to have19:59
lbtI'm doing this :
zanshinhehe that's why19:59
lbtany suggestions on seeing kernel boot time messages?19:59
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lbt(no I don't have a serial console onto the solder pads)19:59
zanshinI want to try some lightweight apps and the matchbox environment19:59
chellimikkov_: ok, at least a new error message :)19:59
Stskeepslbt: what are you trying to boot? cloned OS2008? deblet?19:59
zanshinmatchbox runs ok19:59
lbtcloned chinook19:59
zanshini've got elinks2 now as a browser which is ok to20:00
lbtI want to document how to setup a 4-way boot20:00
lbt(see that link)20:00
Stskeepslbt: is your bootmenu.conf set up correctly?20:00
lbtseems to be20:00
mikkov_chelli: progress, progress ;)20:00
lbtI have ssh'ed into it20:00
lbtand I've hacked the linuxrc to cycle round20:01
lbtrather than just default to flash20:01
zanshinBut it would be nice if there is a browser more orientated to tablets20:01
chellizap: you really should change the call of gtk-update-icon-cache  to "gtk-update-icon-cache || true", this would solve the problems and you can remove the dependency to libgtk2.0-bin again ;-)20:01
qwerty12lbt, I've got my initfs modified to show me boot messages20:01
qwerty12lemme see if I can access my ext3 through unix20:01
zapchelli: why not put a dependency?20:01
lbtI was going to ask you about that20:02
GreyFoxxqwert: I installed your highspeed kernel package, how can I tell if it's actually using it ?20:02
GreyFoxxIt doesn't seem to have had much effect on anything that I can tell20:02
lbt<qwerty12> I've currently got my bootmenu set up so I can switch the framebuffer into automatic mode and get boot messages20:02
Stskeepszanshin: so what do we have now.. it took us what steps to get through? debootstrap manually, apt-get install python and such on the chroot, postdebootstrap from deblet installer, wireless driver issues and X setuid problems?20:02
chellizap: because i believe that gtk-update-icon-cache is available on the tablets anyway20:02
jottcli apps adding icons are suspect anyway :P20:02
lbtyou said t'other day20:02
GreyFoxxbut I have noticed and this might be unrelated, that gps sync times are much shorter20:03
qwerty12GreyFoxx, Dunno :D. The original patch has a debug patch but I chose not to include it because it adds to "dmesg" waste20:03
chellizap: and on the autobuilder it is just not necessary :)20:03
zanshinstskeeps: no wireless issues, wireless is fine, usbnet issues20:03
qwerty12lbt, what happens if you run /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/fb_update_mode?20:03
GreyFoxxqwe: k20:03
Stskeepszanshin: well the wifi driver wasnt up to date with my modifications, atleast :P20:04
lbtit gives me a usage message...20:04
lbtshould I run it during the linuxrc script20:04
qwerty12Ok, remount /mnt/initfs read write20:04
qwerty12no no, fanoush has proper support20:04
Stskeepszanshin: but sounds good - then we have a possibility to get deblet for 770 :)20:04
zanshinstskeeps I've removed xfce but now my screen keeps pretty low in light. Is there a daemon which I have to startup for that? It worked ok in nit-env-stskeeps20:05
qwerty12mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs should do it20:05
lbtI am now running a normally booted tablet - OK -just so you know where I am20:05
Stskeepszanshin: dimming or?20:05
zanshindimming yes20:05
Stskeepszanshin: dsme-tools package or /etc/init.d/dsme-something has values to adjust20:05
lbt(I didn't know jffs2 was a read-write fs)20:06
qwerty12lbt, in diablo, partition layout was changed so you can remount read write. If jffs2 wasn't, rootfs would be useless :>20:06
qwerty12lbt, ok, grab this
zanshinstskeeps: if I do echo 32 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level it's dimmed within a few seconds20:07
qwerty12lbt, go into drivers\video\console and extract the 4 modules there. Move them into /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/20:08
Stskeepszanshin: edit the values in dsme-tools init.d20:08
Stskeepsto be higher i guess20:10
Stskeepszanshin: it's like at 30 seconds to dim, 60 seconds to turn off20:10
jottzap: btw, it would be good if you fill the "Maintainer" field with your data as you made "significant" changes to it.20:11
qwerty12lbt, now, edit /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf and include lines similar to this:
zapjott: I wasn't planning to do initially20:11
lbtOK softcursor bitblit font fbcon20:11
jottzap: then remove the icon stuff and leave the package vanilla :)20:11
lbtand FBMODE20:11
zapjott: I cannot, Maemo does not include MIME types for archives20:12
zapand as such, it won't work with Xarchiver I plan to release Real Soon Now {tm}20:12
zanshinstskeeps It seems more like the backlight is dimmed right away not within 30 sec. Even if I touch the screen it doesn't come back. It's set on 30 60 by the way20:13
Stskeepszanshin: odd.. try disable dsme-tools then, just add a exit 0 in the top after "!#/bin/sh"20:13
Stskeepsit may be different way to communicate with dsme on 77020:14
lbtok - done that20:14
lbtremount ro and reboot?20:14
qwerty12lbt, yep20:15
qwerty12lbt, after it's booted run /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/fb_update_mode manual otherwise the display will run slowly20:15
Stskeepsanyone ever considered making a initfs bootmenu that runs guess_fstype on each partition and sees if they have a /sbin/init, and then make it be in menu?20:16
zanshinhmm ok20:16
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Stskeeps(maybe without _)20:16
qwerty12Stskeeps, You should suggest it to Fanoush. He's a decent guy, listens to suggestions20:16
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, he seems like - i have a couple of suggestions that would allow for better debian booting too20:17
Stskeepscos initfs booting is .. retarded at times20:17
qwerty12Stskeeps, and if you can't wait, hack it yourself :D. I've got a tarball of the initfs with my customisations already applied20:18
Stskeepsqwerty12: i will possibly after my exams next week :P20:18
lbtjust like my Zaurus ;)20:18
lbtcheers qwerty1220:18
qwerty12Stskeeps, cool, good luck :)20:18
qwerty12lbt, np :)20:18
zanshinstskeeps: ow by the way, dillo is a nice lightweight browser to, but it doesn't do fames20:19
zanshinI tried it also20:19
lbtis there any way to select the kernel?20:19
zanshinscreen seems to work ok now20:19
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Stskeepsqwerty12: it's because to fix a bad fsck'ing problem in debian, i need the initfs to mount the fs readonly at first.. i know i can edit this in bootmenu.conf, but normal people don't do that..20:19
lbtor doesn't it matter?20:19
qwerty12lbt, no :(. Fanoush said he was working on kexec a long while back.20:19
qwerty12Stskeeps, Ah. Hmm, I can see why that be implented by fanoush20:20
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jottzap: wouldn't it make much more sense to create a package with a maybe even an updated shared-mime-info?20:25
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jotti mean the bzip2 executable is not really related to the mimetype...20:26
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lbthmm, "cat EXEC format error".... any ideas?20:27
lcukanyone know of any partition recovery tool for windows?  missus has killed her partition table (followup to the events earlier in the week)20:27
lbtthere's a bootable rescue CD called trinity20:27
lbtwhich is oriented towards windows recovery20:28
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lcukwell technically windows is booting (from the older partition on other disk)20:28
lbtand there's a disk scanner that scans for partition identifiers to try and guess partitions20:28
lcukit got copied to a new drive about 12 months ago20:28
lcukcool, ill have a look20:28
jottand i think if at all it would make sense to have the mime info in the libbz2 package.20:28
* lcuk had just started to break everything as well.20:30
lcukis undertaking a massive reorganisation20:31
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pupniksex on wheels20:44
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zapjott: I was thinking about that, but it's not my concern to build system-wide packages for ITOS... and if Nokia haven't bothered to make a freedesktop.xml system-wide package, why should I?20:58
zapBesides, it just looks logical that every program describes the file types it works with20:58
zapby the way, Debian packages contain mime info files, just in a different format (?)20:58
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jottzap: which debian console cli app contains an icon?!21:09
zapno icons, but MIME type definitions21:10
zapicons are just for file manager21:10
zapif [ -x, that is21:12
jotti still think it would be wise to have the freedesktop mime defintion instead of copying the same info into more or less related packages...21:14
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lcuklbt, :) thanks ive got the partition back, just waiting for missus to get back with memory stick to backup to21:32
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lbtlcuk: good to hear :)21:40
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lcuklbt, indeed it is, she was skitsing because the only backup i had of her sims was last time we updated (over a month ago)21:44
lbttsk tsk21:45
lbtlosing the little woman's little people would be bad21:45
lcukshe shouts at me when i lock me in the swimming pool n stuff :D  i am banned from messing with it21:46
lbtquite right too21:46
lbthmm - OK, my boot is crashing at the pivot_root - why would that be? As soon as pivot_root has run I get 'Exec format error' msgs21:50
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lcuklbt, guessing you have exec format errors21:51
lbtyou think?21:51
lbtI guess the new / is duff in some way...21:52
lbthmm, I wonder if chrooting to it will help....21:52
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lbtooh... chroot /mnt/chinook/ /bin/sh.... chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error21:54
lcukunix/win problem? crlf thingy21:55
lbtdoubt it21:56
lbtI don't have _that_ OS installed anywhere... :)21:56
lbt(apart from my work laptop - <sigh>)21:56
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lbtI copied the files using the script here
pupnik"I'm trying, honey, I just can't get out of my own way." - George, from "Shampoo"21:59
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Veggenanyone using jaiku here?22:09
Veggen<---trying to find an invite. It's closed for registration. I can wait until they (perhaps) find that they have room for me, or I can have someone invite me...22:10
VeggenI have a plan to start using it for openstreetmap. It'd be perfect for colloboration, I think :)22:11
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BrenduhDoes anyone know how to stop 2008he from freezing up on the 770?22:16
pupnikwhen does it freeze up Brenduh ?22:17
Brenduhwhen I go to type a url in the address bar22:17
BrenduhI tap and the keyboard doesn't come up.  It freezes there22:17
pupnikdo you already have a wifi connection when you bring up the browser?22:19
BrenduhI'm not sure if the patches installed.  I used the nokia software to update it.22:20
lcukdoes the keyboard work from other locations?22:20
Brenduhyes, I used it to type my wifi passwords in22:20
lcukis this from the very front page of the browser - without any flash etc messing thingsu p22:21
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Brenduhgoogle is my start page.  it says home.html so whatever is default22:21
lcukdoes the keyboard come up if you press the search box22:22
Brenduhdidn't try that let me check22:23
Brenduhsorry it's very very slow22:25
jottBrenduh: did you add swap? i think 2008he on 770 does not really work without it.22:25
BrenduhI don't think so.  Not if it doesn't come with it22:25
jottenable it then.22:26
jottshould be in control panel somewhere.22:26
Brenduhok, I'm froze up again.  lol I'll try just as soon as I can22:26
jottit can do much if ram is full :)22:26
lcukdoes 770 have less SDRAM than the 8x0?22:27
Brenduhi have a 1 gig card in there, is there a way for it to use that?22:27
jottlcuk: 64mb22:27
lcukBrenduh, thats what the swap is for22:27
jottBrenduh: yes i think the swap thingy should ask you.22:27
Brenduhahh thanks. ok as soon as I can boot up I'll try that lol22:27
Brenduhyeah it does act like a memory problem22:27
lcukBrenduh, if you havent tried it, you might find the 2007he is a bit more stable from what i hear22:28
jottbut 2008 is more shiny :)22:28
* lcuk imagines running 2009 on n8x022:29
BrenduhI don't know much about the software (can't tell huh?) I was hoping to get something that would run youtube and skype22:29
* jott hands lcuk the flux capacitor22:29
lcukheh :D flux capacitor visualisation for liqbase22:30
jottBrenduh: i think chances are low that you can use youtube with flash22:30
jottit barely works on the n8x022:30
jottbut you can try canola/mytube.22:30
Brenduhahh ok.  Well I rarely use this so I don't mind if I have to keep uninstalling22:30
jottskype should work i assume.22:30
Brenduhit won't let me choose more than 64 meg ram22:31
jottlcuk: i would vote for flux capacitor virtualization instead of plain visualization :)22:32
Brenduhok 2007 is more stable?22:34
pupnikFrom the "I told you so" files of pupnik: "Skype "Back Door" for Eavesdropping Revealed"
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pupnik"Zfone is a new secure (open source) VoIP phone software product which lets you make encrypted phone calls over the Internet. Its principal designer is Phil Zimmermann, the creator of PGP, the most widely used email encryption software in the world. Zfone uses a new protocol called ZRTP, which has a better architecture than the other approaches to secure VoIP."
BrenduhI'm not married to skype but I thought it was the only one that worked with the nokia22:43
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zapjott: problem is, it's not the same info22:45
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pupnikBrenduh: there's also 'gizmo' voip, and iirc some other alternative22:48
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pupniki'm curious if anyone in maemo knows about better alternatives, or zfone specificially22:48
Brenduhahh ok thanks22:48
GeneralAntillesGizmo/ + rtcomm is the way to do VoIP, in my opinion.22:49
Brenduhjust finshed installing 07, we'll see if that works better22:49
pupnikty GeneralAntilles.  your general knowledge of tablets is vast.22:50
GeneralAntillesOnly because I waste all of my time with them. :P ;)22:51
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Brenduhmuch better, thank you for the info!22:53
GeneralAntillesThe rtcomm beta has a preset for Gizmo22:55
GeneralAntillesWhich makes adding an account for it a little easier22:55
GeneralAntillesbut if you don't want to install the beta, just remember ""22:55
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GeneralAntilleslbt, thanks for splitting, that works a lot better.22:56
Stskeepshm. CAL. how much stuff can you store in --root-device without it splitting open?22:58
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pupnikthanks, GeneralAntilles: saved22:59
Brenduhthanks again for your help23:00
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pupnikdo you have any recommendation for a remote client to a music server (PC attached to home stereo)?23:00
pupnikso i can use tablet as a remote to pick /play music23:00
pupnikwas looking at xmms2 on the PC and a networkable client for the tablet23:00
mikkov_qt4 failed again ;) (bzip2)23:01
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GeneralAntillesmpd + mmpc23:01
GeneralAntillesOr some other mpd client.23:01
pupnikinteresting, thanks again23:01
GeneralAntillesI'm really thinking a simplification and slimming-down of would be useful for the redesign.23:02
Stskeepsodd quote of the day.. , from /dev/mtd0: "Yup, there it is. Stand by for some Linux pleasure.23:03
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* GeneralAntilles would like to figure out what to do about the Internet Tablet OS -> Maemo changeover on wikipedia. . . .23:10
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GeneralAntillesI don't think qgil really understood my question when I asked on the wiki.23:16
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pupnikthen restate the question perhaps23:17
GeneralAntillesTried and failed again23:18
GeneralAntillesThen gave up23:18
GeneralAntillesNow he's on vacation. ;)23:18
pupnikwell earned i'm sure23:20
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RST38hThe death match on Wednesday is still on! =)23:46
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mikkov_zap: now bzip2 seems to be working :)23:51
zapsurprise :(23:51
jottzap: what's the difference? and if there is one is it really necessary to differ from the "officially sanctioned" mime definitions?!23:51
zapjott: every package provides mime types for used file format, what's unclear here?23:52
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jottzap: wrong23:52
jottzap: that would imply conflicting files when two packages support the same mime types.23:53
jott(both with the same content and the same file location)23:53
jottthat's why there is a "SHARED-mime-info" for all basic mime types.23:54
zapupdate-mime-types cope with this fine, don't worry23:54
zapthats why mime definitions have a priority23:54
jottok, put it this way. how many debian packages provide mime types?23:56
jotthow many of them provide an extra desktop file so it can actually handle the types?23:57
zapI have not counted, but found many23:57
jottabout 10-20 maybe23:57
jott(which do not handle the type)23:58
jottthe shared-mime-info provides nearly all of them.23:58
zapshared-mime-info provides nothing23:58
zapdo dpkg -L shared-mime-info before saying this23:59
jottyeah i see that maemo s-m-i sucks23:59
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jottbecause it's from 1999 or so :)23:59
rm_youwoo 1999 :P23:59

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