IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-08-10

jott	that's why i suggested to provide a recent freedesktop based s-m-i (maybe s-m-i-freedesktop)	00:00
zap	no, its because Nokia take the decision (and I can understand why) to not include the whole 1Mb freedesktop.xml in the default distro	00:01
zap	and as far as I understand their approach, every applications carries his MIME types with it	00:01
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timely	you mean MBs of storage don't grow on trees?	00:01
zap	and thats what I'm trying to follow	00:01
zap	I mean NITs do everything to save space	00:01
jott	but bzip2 does not acctually handle the mime type from a desktop perspective.	00:03
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zap	and tar does not provide a handler from desktop perspective	00:04
zap	and neverless, the debian tar package contains the mime type definition	00:05
RST38h	wait, gentlemen, what are you trying to do?	00:05
jott	zap: well it's mime type actually binds an action.	00:05
RST38h	I am looking at your discussion and it sounds like there is already a way to do what you want	00:05
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jott	it's not a type defintion	00:06
zap	jott: MIME type definitions don't define actions	00:06
jott	RST38h: it's more a design decision	00:06
jott	application/x-tar; /bin/tar tvf -; print=/bin/tar tvf - \| print text/plain:-; copiousoutput	00:06
jott	application/x-gtar; /bin/tar tvzf -; print=/bin/tar tvzf - \| print text/plain:-; copiousoutput	00:06
jott	that's what's in your tar "mime type"	00:06
RST38h	jott: There is a directory with mime definitions and there is a directory with .desktop files	00:06
jott	RST38h: yes.	00:07
RST38h	jott: A mime definition simply says "file with this extension or content has this type"	00:07
RST38h	jott: The .desktop file says "this application supports these mime types"	00:07
jott	yes	00:07
jott	right	00:07
jott	my point is, an application that provides a mimetype should also provide the desktop	00:07
RST38h	oh...not necessarily	00:07
RST38h	what if there are multiple applications for a type (let us say .pdf)	00:08
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RST38h	OR I may decide to add a mime type but not support it in the current app version	00:08
jott	then we have a problem when there is no shared-mime-info	00:08
jott	well actually not.	00:09
RST38h	what problem?	00:09
jott	ok, to rephrase it. who should provide mime types?	00:09
zap	and who?	00:10
jott	in best case, a shared mime info given by the freedesktop standards.	00:11
RST38h	whoever has intention to access files of these types	00:11
jott	or, in case of a single application, it should in a best case also provide the desktop	00:11
jott	RST38h: so it clutters?	00:11
jott	like 20 apps handling the same type should all put the same mime info in there?	00:12
jott	or not even handling them from a desktop view	00:12
zap	like I said, update-mime-types can cope with this	00:12
jott	sure	00:12
zap	it is designed to see several xml files that define same MIME info	00:12
jott	i never said it would not work.	00:12
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RST38h	jott: it may	00:13
zap	allright, look at the existing xml files in /usr/share/mime/packages/	00:13
RST38h	there is no problem with it	00:13
zap	they are all provided by some separate package that handles the respective format	00:13
RST38h	it is quite possible that multiple apps will be able to handle a type	00:13
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jott	RST38h: sure. my design question was, should all clutter mime or should one promote the official freedesktop standard.	00:14
zap	why you call that 'clutter'?	00:14
RST38h	probably the first	00:15
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jott	.. ok..	00:15
RST38h	because MIME has always assumed ability to add new private types	00:15
zap	besides, my approach is to provide not only a MIME type, but icons for this file type	00:15
RST38h	if you only follow freedesktop you can't do that	00:15
zap	and thats will be a lot more than 1Mb... if it provides them all	00:15
jott	RST38h: sure. but those actually IN there? for new unsupported types thats perfectly fine.	00:16
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jott	anyway.	00:16
jott	we disagree and i don't think we will agree.	00:16
jott	it's ok.	00:17
jott	i accept your opinion.	00:17
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RST38h	jott: well, having a default set of types probably wouldn't harm	00:19
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RST38h	But I do not see this as a very important feature, more like a neat thing to have	00:20
jott	RST38h: yeah well, it's actually already there in the freedesktop.org.xml just needs to be put in place ;)	00:21
RST38h	if it takes a lot of space in flash and/or takes long time to parse when loading, then it is a problem	00:23
RST38h	I have no idea why Nokia hasn't used it though	00:23
jott	jffs2 should compress it fairly well.	00:23
timely	RST38h: did you talk to leonid?	00:24
RST38h	timely: yes. he seems to think it is adblock	00:25
jott	adblock slows the browser drastically down ...	00:25
RST38h	says he is getting 5s to open a microb window	00:25
RST38h	well, I can just test right now	00:25
moontiger	yes i second that with adblock and performance ... i uninstalled it	00:25
timely	adblock is indeed a good guess	00:25
timely	adblock on launch iirc will try to update all of its block lists	00:26
timely	or something similarly stupid :)	00:26
RST38h	only if you ask for it	00:26
jott	my startup times ~tripled.	00:26
moontiger	thats what i guessed was happening too	00:26
* timely shrugs		00:26
jott	(with adblock installed)	00:26
timely	anyway... thanks.. that's good. i'll make that point 5 in my "how to break microb and blame us"	00:26
RST38h	but you are not getting any ads right?	00:26
jott	RST38h: right :)	00:26
timely	i turn off image loading :)	00:26
RST38h	timely: do wait until I test it	00:26
moontiger	im happy with flashblock ... the other ads arent so heavy imo	00:27
timely	RST38h: i wouldn't push until i got to work :)	00:27
RST38h	timely: In the meanwhile, looks like some (if not all) livejournal.com pages send browserd into a loop	00:28
chelli	zap: the is still no fixed unrar-nonfree in diablo-extras-devel puncturing-you-with-a-needle ;-)	00:29
zap	yes, it is	00:29
timely	RST38h: sadly i have bigger issues atm	00:29
zap	I'll fix it RSN	00:29
RST38h	timely: even bigger issues?	00:29
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timely	a primary service i work on was disabled because it was killing its host	00:29
RST38h	is it world peace? =)	00:30
moontiger	hehe	00:30
timely	the server is used my many developers and is the stage for a service used by most mozilla devs	00:30
timely	it's also the upstream for a service used by maemo devs @nokia and mxr.maemo.org	00:30
moontiger	what was / is the service if i may ask?	00:30
timely	i need to solve that before i play w/ anything else	00:30
chelli	zap: (it is still 3.8.2-1maemo1 which has the size-mismatch) :)	00:30
timely	moontiger: well, you can't see the down version :)	00:30
moontiger	heh right	00:30
timely	mxr.mozilla.org is the live one, mxr.maemo.org is the maemo equiv	00:30
moontiger	:)	00:30
moontiger	what does it do?	00:31
timely	if you can't figure that out at first, but figure it out later	00:32
timely	i'm accepting patches to improve it so that you wouldn't have to ask	00:32
timely	i really don't have time to answer. and it should be self explanatory	00:32
moontiger	i actually went and read the page ... now i get it ... sorry :\|	00:32
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RST38h	where do I find updated rtcomm components?	00:34
moontiger	so the service is bringing the server down because the indexing crawler(s) are too intensive?	00:34
timely	nope	00:35
timely	i'm told it's actually the /source/ script	00:35
timely	which was recently "optimized" by adding caching	00:35
timely	but i have no idea what's going wrong	00:35
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GeneralAntilles	AdBlock kills MicroB. Hosts/CSS is the way to block ads.	00:35
timely	GeneralAntilles: what's the status on the bugs.maemo reorg?	00:36
moontiger	wonder if the caching tripped the swap file usage or something	00:36
GeneralAntilles	timely, no visible progress.	00:36
GeneralAntilles	The logs from the bugzilla meeting are up.	00:36
timely	moontiger: the process went over 1gb a couple of times	00:36
RST38h	does not kill microb for me	00:36
timely	i have no idea	00:36
GeneralAntilles	Basically blocked by guenther's work on the templates at this point.	00:36
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timely	ok	00:37
timely	the last visit to source before it was killed was by msnbot ...	00:37
* timely grumbles		00:37
GeneralAntilles	timely, bookmark http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/	00:37
jott	is there actually an explanation why adblock makes the microb startup so slow?	00:37
RST38h	it loads stuff	00:38
GeneralAntilles	I just got back from vacation, and haven't yet gotten back to sitting on people.	00:38
timely	jott: there are a couple of profilers available if you want to try playing w/ them	00:38
RST38h	The following packages have been kept back:	00:38
RST38h	libbz2-1.0 libdb4.2 libglade2-0 libxml2 rtcom-beta-os2008	00:38
timely	best of all, i have no idea which of two mxr's was actually responsible for the death	00:38
jott	RST38h: yeah but SO slow?..	00:38
RST38h	Any ideas of what would be holding back these?	00:38
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moontiger	wow sounds like fun ... not	00:38
RST38h	jott: it is JavaScript	00:38
jott	RST38h: still shouldn't be that slow if done right :)	00:39
lbt	anyone know about mounting jffs2 on mtd devices? I'm getting jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x07f40aa8: 0x0104 instead	00:39
timely	moontiger: and of course, there's no guarantee that the last request was actually the cause of death... it's just a more likely candidate	00:39
moontiger	jott: depends on the implemntation of the hpptrequests in the browser code i guess	00:39
GeneralAntilles	I'd rather seen AdBlock taken down, personally. So many newbies install it and then blame the resulting slowness on MicroB. . . .	00:40
moontiger	timely: yah	00:40
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Blastur	hello!	00:40
jaska	but browsing on such a small display with ads its... frustrating, unless you limit yourself to known-good sites	00:40
* GeneralAntilles should maybe talk krisse into doing a Tablet School article on ad blocking		00:40
GeneralAntilles	jaska, hosts/css	00:40
Blastur	anyone know if its possible to connect a joystick to the n810?	00:41
timely	moontiger: it wasn't a good experience, the box admin just "killed" the files	00:41
jott	but with hosts you can't block http://goodsite.com/ads/ .. :/	00:41
Blastur	i mean, does it supply enough power	00:41
timely	and didn't send me an email	00:41
timely	he figured i'd "notice eventually"	00:41
moontiger	wow nice!	00:41
moontiger	what a great guy	00:42
timely	it turns out there are a series of cron jobs that did start yelling at me	00:42
timely	so i looked, and indeed the directories were missing	00:42
timely	but no hint as to where they went or why (or who killed / moved them)	00:42
timely	oh, and it was friday, and i was about to turn into a pumpkin	00:42
GeneralAntilles	jott, that's where CSS comes in.	00:42
moontiger	right	00:42
timely	anyway... i got him, and he thankfully moved them to ~timeless/	00:42
timely	so they're not lost phew	00:43
moontiger	so this is indexing and xref'ing the maemo stuff?	00:43
jott	GeneralAntilles: yeah well... i would rather have a sane adblock ;)	00:43
timely	moontiger: the mxr.maemo.org one does, yes	00:43
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timely	note that it's somewhat still, the hosting provider there ran into an issue w/ their file system store and until that's fixed, i shouldn't push updates	00:44
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timely	we kinda suspect my data was the ton of bricks (they're like straw) that broke the camel's back :(	00:44
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moontiger	how much data did u generate?	00:45
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jott	does greasemonkey for mircob "work" or has it similar problems as adblock?	00:46
timely	moontiger: well, the indexes in some cases are 1/2 gb each :)	00:47
timely	but mostly it's the sources themselves are gbs (say 22 in one case)	00:47
moontiger	wow thats a lot of data to be moving around	00:47
timely	no kidding :)	00:47
timely	and for added fun, i'm behind a firewall	00:48
timely	which means i get to use rsync + ssh tunneling	00:48
timely	oh, and i can never find the right command when i need it :)	00:48
RST38h	timely: 6.48 with browserd running and adblock disabled	00:48
GeneralAntilles	jott, somewhat similar to adblock last time I tried.	00:49
GeneralAntilles	The page renders normally, then the GreaseMonkey scripts are applied and the page is re-rendered. :\	00:50
RST38h	timely: 8.73 without browserd and without adblock	00:50
timely	RST38h: much closer to our targets	00:50
timely	now you understand why we were mistified?	00:50
timely	not perfect, it's supposed to be <5 iirc	00:50
timely	mystified ?	00:51
* timely sighs		00:51
jott	GeneralAntilles: :(	00:51
* GeneralAntilles throws lots of grenades at the browser team to mistify them.		00:52
timely	GeneralAntilles: i'm almost done reading the log	00:52
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RST38h	timely: still <3sec difference	00:55
RST38h	so it looks like you are wasting memory for browserd to gain <3sec load time difference	00:55
timely	sorry	00:55
timely	getting it into that 5s window was really a requriement	00:56
timely	plus there's a slightly more interesting point	00:56
timely	browserd has multiple consumers	00:56
moontiger	is it not possible for the adblock plugin to defer updating the lists until a few seconds after the browser has loaded	00:56
moontiger	?	00:56
timely	perhaps mail or chat or the tutorial	00:56
timely	and we don't want those apps to crash just because gecko does	00:56
timely	GeneralAntilles: so where's the blog? i want to subscribe to bugjar	00:57
timely	also, did sjgadsby put in the old jar entries?	00:57
timely	because there's nothing that says a blog can't have old content	00:57
RST38h	oh, one browserd can serve multiple clients?	00:57
jott	moontiger: it actually does not need to do automatic updates at all.... well once a month would more than suffice.	00:58
GeneralAntilles	timely, I never got a URL.	00:58
moontiger	jott: so why does it do that by default??	00:58
GeneralAntilles	I don't think he ever followed up to get it onto planet, either.	00:58
jott	moontiger: don't ask me :)	00:58
timely	RST38h: try the tutorial. afair it is a browserd client	00:58
moontiger	heh :)	00:58
timely	i can't remember any others	00:58
timely	but i know internally there are plans for a couple of others	00:59
timely	no guarantees of release cycles or anything :)	00:59
jott	moontiger: probably because it's an 1:1 port from the desktop version, with just the xul ui removed ;)	00:59
jott	(and maybe an extra delay added :P	01:00
moontiger	jott: right ... laughs	01:00
timely	there's no guarantee of quality w/ the -extras ports	01:00
timely	in fact, there's a history of some major bugs in them :)	01:00
lbt	is jffs2 endian	01:00
timely	lbt: jffs2 isn't the future as you can see from #maemo logs and itt :)	01:01
jott	timely: you should slap people and enforce quality :)	01:01
timely	EBUSY	01:01
GeneralAntilles	Just as well that Browser Extras isn't in maemo.org Extras.	01:01
lbt	it may not be the future	01:01
jott	timely: just slap then then ;)	01:01
jott	them	01:01
lbt	but Chinook comes with it	01:01
lbt	and I want to take the chinook jffs2 and put it on my nit	01:02
moontiger	chinook isnt the future either tho is it?	01:02
timely	lbt: can chinook boot off an mmc running ext2?	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Chinook is quite clearly the past.	01:02
jott	timely: yes.	01:02
lbt	I'll let you know	01:02
lbt	OTOH I'd like my app to work on chinook	01:02
timely	pretend jffs2 doesn't exist, and move along w/ life	01:02
lbt	so I want a chinook image to test	01:02
lbt	OK - tell me how to setup multiboot...	01:03
lbt	https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting	01:03
timely	fwiw, i'm generally not opposed to dwelling in the past, i run 10.3.9 after all :)	01:03
lbt	I want to extract from jffs2	01:03
timely	(and various old versions of Maemo)	01:03
lbt	my script on that page results in executables that say	01:03
* jott prepares an shiny exploit package for timely		01:03
timely	ENOTWORTHIT	01:04
lbt	ooh... chroot /mnt/chinook/ /bin/sh.... chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error	01:04
lbt	EIDONTCARE	01:04
timely	GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla is kinda empty	01:04
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jott	but it's shiny :O	01:04
RST38h	FSLEEP	01:04
timely	jott: true	01:04
timely	lbt: ls -lf /mnt/chinook/bin/sh	01:05
lbt	and - all this frigging about has taught me lots about incidentals :)	01:05
lbt	busybox symlink	01:05
timely	try running busybox instead?	01:05
lbt	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 3 17:50 /mnt/chinook/bin/sh -> busybox	01:05
lbt	I did	01:05
lbt	./busybox: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected	01:06
lbt	I wondered about corruption during the rsync	01:06
lbt	but the config files in etc are OK	01:06
jott	windows line endings? :)	01:06
lbt	I don't have that OS on any of my machines	01:06
lbt	but that's not to say...	01:07
jott	just a blind guess ..	01:07
lbt	's fair	01:07
lbt	I used the script on the page I linked to get the files into my chinook partition	01:07
lbt	but the executables don't execute	01:08
jott	"I used this script (which doesn't work yet)" haha wiki fin :)	01:08
jott	fun	01:08
lbt	I get Exec format errors	01:08
lbt	during linuxrc execution	01:08
timely	for kicks, try just running it w/ chroot	01:08
lbt	just after the pivot_root	01:08
timely	/mnt/chinook/bin/busybox	01:08
lbt	I did	01:08
timely	what's it say?	01:08
lbt	hold on	01:08
lbt	chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: Exec format error	01:09
lbt	which is where it all began....	01:09
lbt	and I went down the "is jffs2 endian rabbit hole"	01:09
lbt	then I checked ./etc/ and the files there are OK	01:09
GeneralAntilles	timely, I tried to provoke some discussion on that during the meeting with lame results.	01:09
* GeneralAntilles pokes andre____ with a sharpened stick.		01:10
timely	GeneralAntilles: the pages don't seem to work in safari 1.x	01:10
timely	one of them worked in ff2	01:10
GeneralAntilles	Oh?	01:10
GeneralAntilles	Reload	01:10
lbt	should Chinook work on a Diablo kernel?	01:10
GeneralAntilles	Apache threads are segfaulting in the wiki	01:10
lbt	or rather a diablo initfs	01:11
GeneralAntilles	Basically waiting on the server upgrades for a fix at this point. . . .	01:11
GeneralAntilles	lbt, probably	01:11
GeneralAntilles	No guarantees, though.	01:11
lbt	and there's no kexec yet	01:11
timely	oh youch	01:12
timely	lbt: probably not the whole thing	01:12
timely	but busybox should either give you a useful error or work if the binary is proper	01:12
lbt	the other thing that made me wonder was my host gave a lot of these errors when I loopback mounted the jffs2 rootfs to get the chinook image off	01:12
lbt	jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x07f48024: 0xa4db instead	01:12
timely	it's a way to test for file corruption	01:12
lbt	I agree timely	01:13
jott	lbt: that does not sound sane.	01:13
lbt	indeed	01:13
lbt	I suspect the loopback mount isn't right	01:13
timely	and yeah, "that sounds BAD"	01:13
timely	ok	01:13
lbt	and hence I wondered if it was endian	01:13
lbt	and I think that's where I came in :D	01:13
timely	it seems like my biggest consumer on friday was msnbot	01:13
jott	now microsoft has all of the maemo code :O	01:14
jott	ok, the open parts ;)	01:14
lbt	I also found this quote on a Gentoo page :The image is an Little Endian jffs2 image. To mount it on Big Endian architectures (like PowerPC) it'll have to be converted:	01:14
timely	my other consumer was a libwww-perl script trying to exploit some service	01:14
lbt	and, IINM the arm is a different endian to the x86	01:14
lbt	but I'm not sure	01:14
jott	lbt: maemo is armel.	01:14
timely	jott: it was spidering mozilla not maemo	01:14
lbt	armel -endian little?	01:14
jott	timely: ah so they have firefox now ;)	01:15
lbt	same as x86?	01:15
timely	yep	01:15
lbt	ok - so it's not that...	01:15
* lbt goes digging for shiney things again...		01:15
jott	lbt: maybe the jffs2 version is incompatible.	01:15
lbt	I'm on 2.6.27-rc2	01:16
lbt	so maybe	01:16
lbt	I was just looking for mount options -	01:16
lbt	the mtd2block driver	01:16
lbt	has options to set the erase size	01:16
jott	hehe -o justfcknwork	01:16
lbt	so I need to find out how the jffs2 image was made	01:16
lbt	I wish it would!!	01:17
lbt	I WILL make it	01:17
jott	isn't there some tool that can just extract a jffs2 image?	01:17
lbt	jffs2dump	01:17
lbt	I've seen	01:17
lbt	but I want it to mount dammit	01:17
lbt	the source for block2mtd (IIRC) suggests that the erasesize is adjustable	01:18
lbt	I think it's an undocumented feature passed in after a ,	01:19
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jott	lbt: have you googled for your error? gives quite some results :)	01:20
lbt	yes - they didn't seem helpful	01:20
lbt	I think it is just corruption - but I'm not 100% sure	01:20
lbt	the 'services' file in mnt/chinook/etc terminates abruptly at ircd 6667/tcp # Internet Relay	01:22
lbt	after 16384 bytes	01:22
timely	youch	01:22
timely	that's a magicish number	01:22
lbt	it is isn't it :)	01:22
lbt	I'm going with corruption and a bad erasesize on the loopback mount	01:23
lbt	now, how do I analyse a jffs2 image to determine creation attributes?	01:23
* lbt is thinking out loud		01:23
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lbt	hmm fanoush does $MYDIR/mkfs.jffs2 -r initfs -o $1 -e 128 -l -n	01:25
lbt	ouch - just tickled a BUG	01:28
timely	OOPS? :)	01:29
* GeneralAntilles really hates the "Email, Digg, Spam This!" spam on planet posts. . . .		01:30
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lbt	on my host	01:30
GeneralAntilles	Looks like aisu stole your WB theme, timely. ;) http://planet.maemo.org	01:30
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lbt	http://pastebin.com/d3f79d629	01:30
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lbt	<sigh>, reboot bbl	01:35
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timely	heh	01:37
timely	nice choice of art, and given that i can't get WB here (my DVR is broken) i think i'll just smile :)	01:37
timely	the xp theme for it is impressive	01:38
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* timely chuckles		01:38
timely	i guess people really don't like vala :)	01:39
lbt	why?	01:39
timely	check out the bottom of planet-maemo	01:39
timely	the vala item (not by zeenix) is +1 -6	01:40
timely	which is possibly a record for bad karma	01:40
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lbt	are you sure it's not just because it's an inane comment?	01:42
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timely	no, too lazy to check	01:45
timely	oh	01:45
timely	it really is just one comment?	01:45
lbt	yep	01:45
timely	alright, let's make it -7 :)	01:45
ywwg	so I created a new application for maemo. I call it "I Am Free." It displays a red gem and costs absolutely nothing	01:45
lbt	I was interested in vala...	01:45
ywwg	:D	01:45
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timely	ok, -7 it is :)	01:46
ywwg	get it while it's hot: http://ywwg.com/maemo/i_am_free-diablo.install	01:46
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crashanddie	anyone ever had the issue of flash video not working correctly on a 770 ?	01:48
timely	um, it's not going to work	01:48
timely	flash video gets feature upgrades w/ each flash release	01:48
timely	(8.5, 9, 9.5, 10)	01:48
timely	flash on 770 is older	01:48
crashanddie	apparently my vic has flash 9 on his 770 (2007HE)	01:49
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timely	unless i'm mistaken that's unlicensed	01:50
timely	please correct me if i'm wrong	01:50
crashanddie	I don't know	01:50
timely	the general story is that people pay adobe for flash by the unit(w/ specified os)	01:52
timely	and nokia would not have paid adobe for flash9 on 770	01:52
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lbt	anyone here running chinook - could you tell me what "cat /proc/mtd" says?	01:53
lbt	the rootfs line	01:54
GeneralAntilles	Flash 9 on the 770 is unlicensed	01:54
GeneralAntilles	but some people grab it from an N800/N810	01:55
GeneralAntilles	It really doesn't have the horsepower for in-browser flash video	01:55
GeneralAntilles	They should use mplayer if they really need it.	01:55
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timely	i'm not really sure what the rules on that are, but in general, it's probably not very nice to ask an unwitting person about that...	01:55
pupnik	this is AWESOME: Homemade Handheld Helicopter --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QOLk1V7sw	01:56
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timely	heh	01:57
timely	nokia sells an extended device warranty?	01:57
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timely	or is that compusa?	01:57
GeneralAntilles	Gotta be CompUSA	01:57
GeneralAntilles	Nokia doesn't even have parts for the 770 anymore.	01:58
timely	that could be so interesting	01:59
timely	the last time i dealt w/ compusa on a deal like that	01:59
timely	i (well my dad) got a free upgrade from a 386 to a 486 because a part failed :)	01:59
GeneralAntilles	Nokia was either doing payouts or replacements with N800s for a lot of 770 owners with WSoDs.	02:00
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GeneralAntilles	I'm surprised by the number of people reporting dramatically improved tablet experiences going Chinook -> Diablo.	02:01
lbt	my 3yr old Canon S1 had a dodgy sensor and it got replace with a spanking new S5 'cos they were out of stock of the sensors :)	02:01
GeneralAntilles	I mean, Diablo's nice, but it isn't really a dramatic improvement	02:01
timely	GeneralAntilles: interesting	02:01
GeneralAntilles	Makes me think a lot of people had some godawful-broken Chinook installs.	02:01
lbt	WOOHOO!!!!	02:02
GeneralAntilles	lbt, I'm going to see if I can work a deal for my mother's old S500 for a discount on a refurbed Rebel.	02:02
lbt	they're nice	02:03
GeneralAntilles	My dad got an XTi for a 25-year company anniversary present	02:03
GeneralAntilles	I'd like to get an XT or something for myself.	02:03
lbt	I have a D30	02:04
lbt	:D	02:04
GeneralAntilles	Whore.	02:04
lbt	original and not the best!	02:04
lbt	really need an upgrade now	02:05
GeneralAntilles	My buddy just got a free D80 from some crazy old woman he knows in Bermuda.	02:05
lbt	no, this is the pre 30D,20D,10D,D60 version	02:05
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, the august sprint is supposed to be in 4 days, how come the wiki is empty ?	02:06
GeneralAntilles	22, isn't it?	02:06
crashanddie	Planning meeting organized in the #maemo-meeting IRC channel on Tuesday 2008/08/12	02:06
GeneralAntilles	Mostly because Quim is now on vacation, anyway.	02:06
crashanddie	sooo... Quim goes to hug a beach, and everyone stops working ? :D	02:06
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GeneralAntilles	Well, Quim does most of that work. ;)	02:07
lbt	anyhow - the answer is: echo "/dev/loop0,128KiB" > /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd	02:07
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trev0r	any maemo mapper users here?	03:42
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summatusmentis	I like to pretend I am, but I don't actualy use it	03:45
trev0r	you poser	03:45
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Mace`	that's it.. i'm going to rebuild my entire gentoo box and if that doesn't work i'm wiping it and never looking back	04:00
Mace`	i suppose i'll install debian on the box after this	04:00
Mace`	or ubuntu	04:00
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trev0r	what more could you need than your internet tablet	04:13
summatusmentis	a computer that will do VMs :)	04:18
trev0r	the n770 is featured quite a bit in the harold kumar sequel	04:19
gentooer	anyone use mCalendar?	04:32
gentooer	or any other calendar software that syncs with google?	04:33
GeneralAntilles	s/n770/770/g	04:33
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summatusmentis	gentooer: I just use Google Calendar :)	04:50
gentooer	yeah i might stick with that for now.. mCalendar is pretty broken	04:51
GeneralAntilles	alpha	04:51
gentooer	yeah i know. just thought i'd give it a try	04:51
GeneralAntilles	Feel free to help Khertan out and submit patches. ;)	04:52
gentooer	i'll try :)	04:53
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robink	Does the Git package from the Debian repository work on Maemo?	05:24
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Italodance	.	07:24
terbo	^	07:24
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Italodance	:D	07:26
Italodance	morning	07:26
terbo	evenin	07:26
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GeneralAntilles	Who let "Share apps" past copy-editing for the maemo.org intro. <_<	07:37
* GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.		07:46
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oilinki	hey. is there a ready made list how much each n810 component uses battery? eg. display min, med, max ,gps chip, wlan idle/action, bt id/action etc.	07:50
GeneralAntilles	No.	07:51
oilinki	oukki.	07:51
oilinki	seems like the lid display is the biggest power hungry element in the system	07:52
GeneralAntilles	Backlights are the biggest consumer of energy on most mobile devices.	07:54
oilinki	maemo-mapper with bt-gps and display lit, the battery life was about 4 hours. display lit only when needed extended the life to 4 times more	07:54
GeneralAntilles	Dropping the brightness can help a lot	07:55
GeneralAntilles	If you're in a car, just get a power adaptor, though.	07:55
oilinki	I had an old power adapter, but n810 seemed to refuse it. need to get a new one.	07:55
GeneralAntilles	Gmail webmail is really slow right now, I'm waiting fo the message I just typed out to finish appearing on screen. <_<	07:56
GeneralAntilles	Voltage is off if it says "Not charging"	07:56
GeneralAntilles	You can pick up Nokia adaptors for about $2 a piece off Amazon.	07:56
oilinki	I'll just go to a local little shop and check there.	07:57
oilinki	I need to install one for my scooter as well.	07:57
GeneralAntilles	Should probably tackle the maemo.org organization one section at a time. . . .	08:00
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Deka	Anyone here in BC?	08:27
MAXLOOT	Hello can someone plz tell me a good maemo/n800 forum? thanks	08:28
Deka	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/	08:28
MAXLOOT	thanks deka	08:29
lpotter	I drove though BC once. does that count?	08:34
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moontiger	does anybody know how to install something like gedit or whatnot inside sbox? nano is getting really old :(	08:42
GAN800	How about vi? . . .	08:43
moontiger	everytime i try to run vi i have to kill the process cos i can't even quit from it	08:43
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lpotter	jjust do Esc :q!	08:49
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lpotter	just use the editor on the host	08:50
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GAN800	moontiger, then learn how to use vi?	08:58
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moontiger	gan800 ... i know but i just really dont want to spend that much of my life learning a text editor :\|	09:00
GAN800	It'll take all of five minutes to get the basics.	09:02
terbo	step one: writing an operating system	09:02
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moontiger	i would love to be able to use anjuta but i havent figured out how to even install it inside sbox	09:10
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RST38h	Eclipse? KILL.	09:12
RST38h	moontiger: use pico	09:12
RST38h	you do not need to learn pico	09:13
moontiger	i can use joe and nano but really ... is there no way to use an editor with a gui ... it is 2008 no? sighs	09:13
RST38h	there is	09:13
RST38h	I have no idea why you would need a gui in the text editor, but gimme a moment	09:14
RST38h	moontiger: http://geany.uvena.de/	09:17
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moontiger	thnx but what is the link for? i already use geany on my main dev system for web stuff ... is there a way to get that running insode of sbox? :)	09:21
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moontiger	forgive me ... im reading the ittabletalk pages now ... thanks :)	09:27
trev0r	does syncing the n810 with a phone add anything besides the ability to use the phone's internet?	09:32
moontiger	trevor ... i think you can xfer files if your fone is set up for that but essentially its for internet access i think	09:35
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trev0r	i was wondering if it would notify you of calls, etc	09:36
bef0rd	I can 'control' the n810 from my SE phone	09:36
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GAN800	trev0r, phonelink	09:37
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* moontiger is resigned to command line tools for dev work sigh		09:45
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RST38h	good boy	09:55
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bef0rd	why do you need to install the dev tools inside sbox?	10:08
bef0rd	can't you just open the 'project' files outside of sbox, with your IDE, and just use sbox to type make?	10:08
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RST38h	bef0rd: Maemo SDK+	10:13
RST38h	bef0rd: sb1 won't do it but sb2 (part of maemosdk+) will	10:13
GAN800	I wonder if it's time to start tackling the branding for maemo.org now that the logo is in place. . . .	10:14
RST38h	depends on what you mean by branding	10:22
GAN800	maemo -> Maemo, etc	10:23
RST38h	ah	10:23
RST38h	yep	10:23
GAN800	Now where's X-Fade. . . .	10:24
GAN800	or bergie. . . .	10:25
GAN800	Anybody have an opinion on site-wide full-justification?	10:30
Proteous	I think anyone who has an opinion about site-wide full-justification should just shut up	10:31
Proteous	keep it to yourself	10:31
bef0rd	ok.	10:31
Proteous	WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR QUIBBLES	10:31
Proteous	seriously, no one really cares about it as much as you do, so you'll just be boring us	10:31
* GAN800 steals Proteous's Lucky Charms.		10:31
Proteous	and belive me, no one wants to be bored	10:32
Proteous	especialy by your justification viewpoints	10:32
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Proteous	you can blame GAN800 for my poor disposition	10:34
Proteous	he stole all my breakfast cereal	10:34
Proteous	that makes me cranky	10:34
Proteous	now GET OFF MY LAWN	10:34
* GAN800 adds milk, eats.		10:34
* Proteous cries		10:34
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moontiger	yah well right now im just doing some python for a home screen applet so its not too bad	10:46
moontiger	when i start using c or c++ it might be more of a pain	10:47
moontiger	btw ... can i use c++ for maemo apps? and glade?	10:47
lbt	http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/index.html	10:49
bef0rd	I saw gtkmm/glade libs with chinook, dunno if they are available to diablo	10:50
lbt	yes	10:50
lbt	(not sure about glade if that's what you meant)	10:50
deckel	I could need a pointer on how to recover my non booting 810. The blue status bar is complete, but it doesn't go any futher.	10:51
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keesj	bef0rd: I think c++ dev was even officialy anounced	10:55
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lbt	if you want to look at a simple-ish c++ app then I'm currently writing Shopper: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper	10:57
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moontiger	lbt: thanks much :)	11:34
moontiger	im developing a simple python home applet to get my google calendar right now just to get my feet wet	11:34
moontiger	then i want to do some more ambitious stuff	11:34
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pupnik	deckel: have you tried reflashing?	11:38
aquatix	morning all	11:39
qwerty12	hi aquatix	11:39
deckel	pupnik: I am sure that would solve the problem but I'd like to avoid that. Seems my installation of advanced-backlight caused the trouble. That was the last thing I did before rebooting.	11:39
qwerty12	deckel, Do you have fanoush's initfs installed?	11:39
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deckel	qwerty12: No	11:40
qwerty12	Then you are SOL. Fanoush's initfs can get you into a / either by telnet/ssh or booting another system of a memory card :/	11:40
deckel	ok. I'll reflash and have a look at this. Thanks.	11:44
GeneralAntilles	deckel, adv-backlight?	11:44
GeneralAntilles	I don't see how. . . .	11:44
GeneralAntilles	Unless there was something broken about your system going in. :\	11:44
deckel	Yes, adv-backlight. I'll reflash and install adv-backlight again. Just to see if that was the problem.	11:45
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, hildon-desktop is a POS :(. I've had it crash on bootup just by updating the rss reader applet.	11:45
GeneralAntilles	lol, qwerty12, everything's a POS to you, isn't it? :P	11:45
GeneralAntilles	deckel, it wont.	11:46
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Of course :P :D	11:46
* qwerty12 so needs a bigger hard drive		11:46
deckel	GeneralAntilles: it won't crash then?	11:46
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GeneralAntilles	deckel, thousands of people use it without issue.	11:48
GeneralAntilles	There's very little chance that it was actually the culprit.	11:48
RST38h	qwerty	11:49
qwerty12	Hi RST38h	11:49
deckel	So, it is impossible to find out what the problem was? I'll have a look at Fanoush's initfs. Maybe this helps if I run into a similar problem in future.	11:50
GeneralAntilles	Well, boot issues aren't the easiest things in the world to diagnose.	11:51
GeneralAntilles	Definitely install fanoush's initfs.	11:51
GeneralAntilles	As that'll give you a usbnet ssh/telnet recovery route.	11:51
GeneralAntilles	There are thousands of small things that can lead to reboot loops.	11:52
deckel	Do I need a MMC or can I install it without?	11:52
GeneralAntilles	You don't need anything	11:52
GeneralAntilles	it's intended primarily to provide a bootmenu for multiboot	11:53
GeneralAntilles	but you don't need to use multiboot to use it.	11:53
deckel	ok. I'll reflash and install it right after that.	11:53
GeneralAntilles	anything you did between your last poweron and the one that ended in a loop could've caused the loop.	11:53
liri	RST38h: how's it going	11:55
GeneralAntilles	Awesome. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=211972#post211972	11:57
GeneralAntilles	Google traffic	11:58
Jaffa	Nice.	11:58
GeneralAntilles	That makes me a bit giddy	11:58
GeneralAntilles	No need for FM sideband with that. :D	11:58
GeneralAntilles	Hi, Jaffa. :)	11:58
Jaffa	'lo	11:58
qwerty12	Like zap says, would be nice if it was compiled with optimisations :/	11:58
zap	?	11:59
qwerty12	The floating point stuff, I just took a quick look at rules	11:59
zap	and it doesn't use them?	11:59
qwerty12	Nope, rules just lists O2	12:00
qwerty12	Well, this google traffic build anyway	12:00
zap	indeed, no -mvfp	12:00
zap	strange	12:00
zap	maemo mapper author isn't aware that gdk-pixbuf-rotate.c uses heavy floating-point math?	12:01
qwerty12	maemo mapper author is gone for a while afaik :(	12:01
GeneralAntilles	He's roadtripping.	12:01
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qwerty12	~lart libusb	12:03
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deckel	GeneralAntilles: Can I follow these instructions? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_MMC_card	12:04
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, just the bootmenu part.	12:05
Stskeeps	qwerty12: i have this crazy idea to store something akin bootmenu.conf in --set-root-device .. not sure how much space i can fill in there though	12:06
Stskeeps	qwerty12: it'd be interesting from the pov that you dont have to reflash or edit initfs to edit bootmenu, and its possible to do it through flasher too	12:07
qwerty12	Stskeeps, nice	12:08
Stskeeps	i'm just not sure when it starts keeling over :>	12:08
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qwerty12	Hehe, if the initfs is too big, flasher-3.0 will refuse to flash it. You get about 4MB, I've got around 1.3MB free on /mnt/initfs	12:09
roadies	anyone know of a openvpn binnary that works with the latest n810 OS distro?	12:09
Stskeeps	qwerty12: well i would be storing it in CAL instead	12:09
qwerty12	Stskeeps, hmm, then I would be careful :/	12:10
Stskeeps	either that or i should just get over myself and upgrade to diablo :P	12:10
Stskeeps	for proper rw initf	12:10
Stskeeps	s	12:10
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, that article seems a little less clear than it was the last time I cleaned it up. :\	12:11
GeneralAntilles	Whose been screwing around with it. . . .	12:11
GeneralAntilles	Why are we now linking tar to /home/user/bin, too. . . .	12:13
GeneralAntilles	Ugh	12:13
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mikkov_	roadies: openvpn is in extras-devel	12:15
Stskeeps	qwerty12: what i'm really just looking for is a good way to have a grub style boot menu that OS'es can be asked to be added to, like, chroot /mnt/initfs bootmenu add "Deblet" mmcblk1p2 ext2 ro,noatime	12:16
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, that would pwn	12:16
Stskeeps	because the current way is just.. too advanced	12:17
Stskeeps	and ideally i would love it to have something like how macs dualboot, where you with dpad can select images/icons for what you'd like to boot	12:17
qwerty12	Someone made a graphical bootmenu for 770 (well, it showed tux anyway) but I can't find it anymore :(	12:18
zap	Anybody heard the internal flash memory to wear out when somebody uses it extensively for writing?	12:19
Stskeeps	http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/2/7/8/apple-bootcamp-photo10.png <- mac	12:19
zap	I'm a little worried since while developing I have to often install/uninstall packages	12:19
Stskeeps	zap: could always clone to mmc	12:19
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Stskeeps	easier to replace mmc than internal	12:20
qwerty12	and hope that flash chip holding initfs doesn't wear out :>	12:20
zap	I'm thinking about using aufs for that	12:20
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qwerty12	zap, good luck. using unionfs to "union" /home/user would kill hildon-desktop :/	12:20
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zap	why?	12:21
zap	unionfs sucks anyway	12:21
qwerty12	If I knew why, I'd be a very happy person :)	12:21
zap	Is it possible to write a control panel applet using Python?	12:22
Stskeeps	qwerty12: why is it btw that people reflash the initfs when they could just remount it rw? or does that blow up things?	12:22
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deckel	GeneralAntilles: Installed the bootmenu. Thanks for your help.	12:22
GeneralAntilles	OK, article is a little clearer now.	12:22
qwerty12	Stskeeps, I guess most people, regarding initfs, only install fanoush's bootmenu. It has to be compatible with all tablets and all hardware and you can only remount initfs rw in diablo compared to flashing it in all itos's	12:23
deckel	I couldn't install e2fsprogs. Installed the alternative (forgot the name) instead	12:23
liri	can I plug ordinary headphones to the headphone jack on the n810? (not the nokia's provided headphones)	12:23
qwerty12	liri, yep	12:23
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, give that a quick once over to make sure I didn't screw up, would you? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card	12:24
liri	qwerty12: ahh nice, so I can connect it to the fm tuner in my car	12:24
liri	qwerty12: the n810 though has an N810 transmitter no? maybe I can transmit FM from the n810 itself :)	12:24
roadies	mikkov_: I'm still new at this, where is extra-devel? All I have is extra selection	12:25
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, sure, just checking	12:25
qwerty12	liri, no, N810 has no fm radio/transmitter	12:25
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras	12:25
GeneralAntilles	Time to remove the Diablo Extras note, methinks	12:26
liri	qwerty12: thanks for clearing that out	12:26
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, you say to install wget which is fine. But extras should be enabled for wget	12:26
qwerty12	liri, np	12:26
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Ah, I see that when they read root access, extras would be enabled	12:27
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Alas, diablo extras does not have a full e2fsprogs (http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/). To be able to install e2fsprogs, they would have to add the diablo sdk repository :/	12:29
Stskeeps	qwerty12: how bad is a corrupted CAL btw? in terms of if i end up bricking something	12:29
Stskeeps	(i have flasher access and fanoush bootmenu :P)	12:29
qwerty12	Stskeeps, very bad. You would have to cold-flash	12:29
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, how do you feel about putting an e2fsprogs in Extras?	12:29
Stskeeps	qwerty12: lovely	12:30
deckel	querty12: I installed the alternative. apt-get showed me	12:30
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, I would do but I lost my ssh keys. I wonder if generating new keys and updating the lost ones in my garage page with new ones would work?	12:32
qwerty12	Stskeeps, even more lovely is that steps for doing so are quite undocumented. keesj would be a good person to ask	12:32
mikkov_	roadie: in that case install from here http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.0.9-4etch1maemo1_armel.deb	12:32
qwerty12	deckel, is mkfs.ext2 present on your system (you may need to be root to see)?	12:33
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, dunno, but you can have one of my patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Sticks if you want. ;)	12:33
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Thanks	12:33
qwerty12	X-Fade, I'm poking you with GeneralAntilles's patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Stick	12:34
deckel	qwerty12: not present, but installing the bootmenu worked without.	12:34
qwerty12	deckel, then, alas, it's not an alternative	12:34
roadies	GeneralAntilles or mikkov_: hummmm tried to "install" extra-devel from the URL link on the wiki and it fails with app incompatible....any idea ?	12:34
deckel	qwerty12: but it is shown as a replacement by apt-get.	12:35
qwerty12	deckel, but if it lacks the tools to format an ext2 partition, then I do not see it as an alternative	12:35
deckel	qwerty12: me neither, just wanted to say that this was shown to me.	12:36
GeneralAntilles	deckel, you actually don't need e2fsprogs for bootmenu	12:36
GeneralAntilles	The article headings were sorted badly	12:36
GeneralAntilles	I just cleaned that up.	12:36
GeneralAntilles	roadies, dunno.	12:36
mikkov_	roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;))	12:37
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, that .install worked a few weeks ago.	12:37
GeneralAntilles	Why would https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras-devel.install throw a "Incompatible application package."	12:38
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roadies	mikkov_: sorry, my multi-tasking this morning is off...well try the link sign	12:39
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, It has a mistake in it. It wants to add the catalogue "extras-devel" but only "[extras]" is in that install.	12:40
GeneralAntilles	Aha	12:40
* GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.		12:40
* GeneralAntilles is just gonna file a bug.		12:41
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GeneralAntilles	roadies, thanks for finding that. :)	12:44
GeneralAntilles	Also: these are the best raspberries I've ever eaten. . . .	12:45
Stskeeps	qwerty12: 128 is too long in set-root-device but 100 is okay - i might have wiped out my osso-software version but i think it was broken already before :)	12:45
Stskeeps	but it still boots	12:45
Stskeeps	wlan macs seem intact	12:46
qwerty12	Stskeeps, osso-software-version in cal always corrupts when flashing :/. I've got a fix for it somewhere...	12:46
roadies	GeneralAntilles: OK what did I find? person in confused state running around iwth no head on (aka me)? mokkov_ gave me the URL but to be honest, I'm not sure it will load. One thing I did do is config the extra-devel in the Apps Manager - however it doesnt see anything	12:47
qwerty12	Stskeeps, running /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-software-version<tab>.postinst will set the software version again	12:47
GeneralAntilles	roadies, the .install file for Extras-devel was malformed.	12:47
GeneralAntilles	Needs to be fixed.	12:48
Stskeeps	qwerty12: ta	12:48
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roadies	oh, glad I could help.... whatever I did :-)	12:49
Stskeeps	has anyone ever encountered initfs not able to mount / (flash fs)?	12:49
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, are you mounting manually? using ssh, bootmenu.conf?	12:50
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roadies	GeneralAntilles: If your fixing it, could U let me know when I can try again?	12:50
Stskeeps	qwerty12: well, i'm just curious if it would be possible to put bootmenu.conf on the firmware image instead (in /, not initfs)	12:51
GeneralAntilles	roadies, I don't have the access.	12:51
Stskeeps	and just mount it readonly to get it	12:51
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade needs to fix it.	12:51
Stskeeps	and i wonder if jffs can fuck so much up that it's unmountable	12:51
GeneralAntilles	So it'll be whenever I can find him and accost him. ;)	12:51
deckel	where can I find telepathy-haze-0.2.0-1collabora1? Need it for rtcomm-beta-os2008 v2.4	12:51
RST38h	apparently, it has not been uploaded yet	12:52
qwerty12	Stskeeps, try something like this. mount -t jffs2 -o rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 /dev/mtdblock4 /tmp/mnt	12:53
roadies	GeneralAntilles: when U do find him tell him, a poor slob is flapping in the wind with loose sails...as we say here	12:53
GeneralAntilles	deckel, wait it out, or, maybe, bug Robot101 if you're particularly impatient.	12:54
GeneralAntilles	roadies, it's a 5 character fix. ;)	12:54
Stskeeps	qwerty12: well, i don't have an actual crash right now, just probing hypothetical situation that would mess up a initfs that loads its configuration from another FS than initfs	12:54
qwerty12	cool	12:56
liri	I'm guessing the common thing people do with their N810 is to clone the root partition to the 2gb partition. what do you do with the 256mb?	12:58
Stskeeps	my idea is to have a initfs bootmenu.conf that just indicates which partition / filesystem and options to find the real "bootmenu" on.. for versions less than diablo it would be /dev/mtdblock4 for instance	12:58
Stskeeps	so you dont have to flash for each change	12:58
GeneralAntilles	liri, swap	12:59
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RST38h	and when it wears out?	12:59
GAN800	That'll be abour never.	12:59
liri	how's that GAN800?	13:00
roadies	ok so I've got openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb and attempting to extract it with dpkg but it needs an extraction directory.... is there a pseudo standard for what directories people use? aka /usr/local/[package-name] or something	13:00
liri	we know that reads and writes from/to flash wear it	13:00
GAN800	Sure, but flash is a lot more durable these daya	13:00
qwerty12	roadies, why would you want to extract it?	13:01
GAN800	and the swapiness is about as low as it can ger.	13:01
GAN800	s/ger/get/	13:01
infobot	GAN800 meant: and the swapiness is about as low as it can get.	13:01
liri	GAN800: and the 2gb sd card?	13:01
GAN800	What about it?	13:02
liri	GAN800: is it more durable than the 256mb flash or less durable?	13:02
roadies	qwerty12: I'm following this road(ies) map: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn/ but then again I'm a blind newbie here so I'm probably formatting my drive as we speak :-) sign	13:02
GeneralAntilles	We're talking about two different things	13:02
GeneralAntilles	Nevermind.	13:02
GeneralAntilles	You usually don't use the built-in flash when you boot from SD.	13:03
qwerty12	roadies, the date on one of those files is 2005 :/. I'd just dpkg -i the openvpn file and then apt-get -f install	13:03
liri	GeneralAntilles: ahh?	13:03
liri	GeneralAntilles: I can use the entire 2gb sd card as the root partition and put swap on the built-in flash.	13:04
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GeneralAntilles	You could make that work, yes.	13:04
GeneralAntilles	I'd just format the 2GB with two partitions, myself, though.	13:05
chelli	roadies: what are you trying to do? openvpn is available in extra(-devel)	13:05
liri	I haven't done anything yet, I currently have the root partition on the 256mb flash and I'd like to 1. clone it cause I need more space and 2. put a swap file/partition as I read in ITT that it's an incredible improvement	13:06
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roadies	qwerty12: mikkov_ gave me a URL with a file data 2008, I'm just using the URL I gave you as a HOWTO	13:07
chelli	roadies: i believe this howto is very, very muc outdated	13:08
roadies	chelli: I configed (at least I think) App Manager with the respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel URL but it doesnt see it	13:08
chelli	roadies: which device and which ITOS do you have?	13:08
qwerty12	roadies, my point is that the wiki page is old	13:08
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roadies	chelli: n810, with the latest OS (as of yeasterday), qwerty12: I agree very old, thanks	13:09
liri	would putting the root and swap on the 2gb sd card wear it out? (btw, if it got wore out, could it be replaced with a new one?)	13:10
chelli	roadies: respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel is wrong, it sould be repository.maemo.org/extras-devel	13:10
chelli	roadies: openvpn is definetly available in the extras-devel-repository for diablo, because i uploaded it there last week ;-)	13:11
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roadies	chelli: totally agree, I have that - missed type in my last chat to U	13:11
roadies	chellI; OK let me check the App Man config again	13:12
chelli	roadies: can you start xterm and give me the output of "apt-cache policy openvpn" ?	13:13
lcuk	crashanddie, ping back	13:14
roadies	chelli: per your request Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1# apt-cache policy openvpn W: Unable to locate package openvpn	13:15
chelli	ok, then extras-devel is really missing	13:15
roadies	chelli: App Man is telling me refresh failed... I'm rechecking the URL again...so fair I just dont see a spelling problem with it	13:17
GAN800	URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel	13:18
GAN800	Components: free non-free	13:18
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: i've put my proposal up in Alternatives on ITT if you want to comment/discuss :)	13:19
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, cool, I'll start reading :)	13:19
crashanddie	lcuk, counter back ping	13:19
lcuk	:D heh	13:19
lcuk	theres a mail in the post to you	13:20
crashanddie	:D	13:20
* crashanddie huggles lcuk		13:20
lcuk	dont get excited, it says ".\|.." :D	13:21
TTilus	should n810 be able to retain time and date when it runs out of battery? mine has a strantge habit of showing estimated 10 d of battery (when on stand-by) and after couple of days i find it dead and need to recharge before i get it to boot. and when it does boot it has lost date	13:21
GAN800	TTilus, plug the damn thing in. . . .	13:21
lcuk	TTilus, are you sure you are not losing time through copious amounts of booze?	13:22
GAN800	and, yes, it has a backup battery.	13:22
* TTilus has never been boozing, believe me or not :D		13:22
lcuk	TTilus, wormhole?	13:22
TTilus	how often do you _really_ need to recharge	13:22
TTilus	if you aren't using it	13:23
lcuk	if on wifi quite often	13:23
GAN800	Depends significantly on your usage.	13:23
* Stskeeps would love fuel cell for his n800.		13:23
lcuk	not on wifi if theres nothing attempting to do stuff, it can last ages	13:23
GAN800	just plug it in at night	13:23
GAN800	it wont kill you.	13:23
lcuk	i plug it in when im workin on it near the ocmputer, otherwise its off	13:23
lcuk	its a fun game playing the "has my 810 managed to get through the night or did it die in its sleep"	13:23
TTilus	haa, it could be wifi	13:23
GAN800	lcuk, get a real AP. :/	13:24
lcuk	no wifi at all - i disconnect a few seconds after moving away from computer	13:24
qwerty12	My N800 dies each night in offline mode. I have too much programs killing the CPU :/	13:24
lcuk	qwerty12, thats because it doesnt like the south	13:25
lcuk	isntall "northern grit" and it will survive	13:25
roadies	chellI: as the song goes... "I think he's got it" ! I had "user" for the Catalogue Component and it should be "free non-free".... I'm so proud of myself ..... newbie talk here :-)	13:25
chelli	:)	13:25
qwerty12	lcuk, I broke my charger in the north. you people have dodgy regulations :p	13:25
lcuk	:D	13:26
TTilus	so turning autoconnect wifi off should extend battery life?	13:26
TTilus	what other tips?	13:26
roadies	chillie: ahhhh now my update windows is chirping at me relentless oh the price of fame ;-)	13:26
TTilus	lcuk: when you have your n810 dead, does it loose datE?	13:26
GAN800	plug it in	13:27
lcuk	TTilus, when on battery dim the screen as much as practical	13:27
TTilus	(and please no jokes about dating just now)	13:27
TTilus	lcuk: already doing it	13:27
lcuk	no point in sitting on max brightness all day when half will suffice	13:27
lcuk	back ater	13:27
TTilus	lcuk: i'm on lowest possible all the time ;)	13:27
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TTilus	GAN800: i just dont have the possibility always	13:28
GAN800	Good, you don't need it always	13:29
TTilus	GAN800: there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days without recharging, and i really don't need to use the device much, if at all	13:29
qwerty12	TTilus, 1. don't trust the battery applet. 2. try /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/retutime --rtc-from-system as root	13:29
qwerty12	retutime sets the hardware clock	13:29
GAN800	just plug it in at night.	13:29
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TTilus	"there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days"	13:29
GAN800	if you're not going to use it for a few days, plug it in.	13:30
TTilus	GAN800: during workdays its usually plugged, at least for a while	13:30
TTilus	GAN800: the thing is, i need it with me, i dont know ex ante if im gonna need it	13:31
crashanddie	lcuk, improvement request: put the sketches in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/liqsketches, or something, but I reflashed, and lost all my data	13:31
crashanddie	s/but/cuz/	13:31
infobot	crashanddie meant: lcuk, improvement request: put the sketches in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/liqsketches, or something, cuz I reflashed, and lost all my data	13:31
TTilus	and i'd like to know how can i survive 2-3 days	13:31
GAN800	It should get 8-14 days on real standby	13:31
TTilus	thats what ive been told, but mine does not :(	13:32
timely	TTilus: personally, i travel w/ ~5 batteries for my n800s :)	13:32
timely	plus spare "chargers"	13:32
TTilus	and it loses time when it dies	13:32
crashanddie	it does ?	13:32
crashanddie	wow	13:32
GAN800	Don't dodgy stuff that eats cpu, put it in offline mode.	13:32
timely	yeah, offline mode + lock screen	13:32
qwerty12	Haha, nokia saw their mistake and should be renabling bluetooth audio service for the wimax tablet	13:33
GAN800	timely, you still running Bora?	13:33
crashanddie	TTilus, one thing you could do, is lock screen, like you always do, open an ssh session, and look at top to see if there's any app eating your CPU cycles	13:33
TTilus	timely: spare chargers?	13:34
timely	GAN800: i haven't updated any of my devices	13:34
GAN800	lol	13:34
GAN800	So, uh, early-2007 OS2007?	13:34
timely	TTilus: i have a 770, 3 n800s,	13:35
GAN800	How do you even use the thing?	13:35
timely	GAN800: something like that	13:35
timely	GAN800: when traveling i just need a basic web browser	13:35
GAN800	The early Bora releases are pretty much as crappy as possible.	13:35
GAN800	Opera? :P	13:36
timely	TTilus: anyway, the devices i'm not using are just chargers :)	13:36
timely	GAN800: one of them still has opera + microb(beta), and of course the 770 only has opera	13:36
GAN800	:shudder:	13:36
GAN800	~flashing	13:36
infobot	methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	13:36
GAN800	^ hop to it. :P	13:36
timely	yeah sure...	13:37
TTilus	GAN800: whats "dodgy stuff"? ive installed maemomapper and ssh but nothing else	13:37
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GAN800	RSS home applet	13:37
crashanddie	TTilus, do as I tell ya	13:37
timely	oh yeah, get rid of the rss home applet	13:38
timely	and if you don't use chat, you should probably make sure its various pieces are disabled	13:38
timely	and that it doesn't have an account configured	13:38
GAN800	I wish RSS didn't suck so much. I'd like to use it, but damn. . . .	13:39
TTilus	crashanddie: you mean like ssh in n810 from another box or just open xterm and top?	13:39
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crashanddie	TTilus, ssh in the NIT from another box	13:40
TTilus	crashanddie: or	13:40
GAN800	Doing it locally with spike the cpu	13:40
TTilus	damn	13:40
TTilus	crashanddie: ok	13:40
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TTilus	crashanddie: in addition to the obvious top and sshd there are "OMAP McSPI/0" and "cx3110x" taking cpu, both under 1%	13:43
crashanddie	hmm	13:43
crashanddie	TTilus, do you have the wifi searching for networks all the time ?	13:44
timely	also, do you have a flaky wifi basestation at any of your primary locations?	13:45
timely	some basestations are known to kill poor devices dead	13:45
timely	amusingly the basestation used by nokians in the helsinki area for adsl was one of those :)	13:45
crashanddie	heh	13:45
crashanddie	well, "good for us"	13:45
crashanddie	at least they noticed it right away :D	13:46
TTilus	crashanddie: should not have, how do i check that, like for real check?	13:47
timely	i can't remember when that was noticed/fixed	13:47
crashanddie	click on the wifi icon, then "Connectivity Settings", then "Connect automatically"	13:47
timely	or how it was fixed	13:47
lcuk	crashanddie, i want the sketches (and everything else) to be in a database ideally. first poweron should ask where	13:48
crashanddie	TTilus, I've set mine to "Always ask"	13:48
crashanddie	lcuk, fair enough	13:48
TTilus	crashanddie: mine too has "always ask" in connection settings	13:48
crashanddie	hmm	13:49
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crashanddie	TTilus, I don't know...	13:49
crashanddie	TTilus, I mean, your CPU usage seems AOK, as does your wifi behaviour, I haven't seen anything else that could eat up the battery so fast	13:50
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crashanddie	maybe you just have a failing battery ?	13:50
TTilus	and its not only the battery but the fact that the damn thing has like total amnesia when battery dies, and it always first asks for time and date	13:51
TTilus	crashanddie: hum, batteries are cheap, should trie with another one	13:51
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roadies	mikko: GeneralAntillies and chelli: Before I sign off here, thanks very much for allthe help	14:01
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mikkov_	roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;))	14:04
mikkov_	roadies: sorry old post ;)	14:04
chelli	roadies: no problem :)	14:05
roadies	mikkov_ not a problem... openvpn is downloaded via extras-devel.... building my cert's now..... thanks again	14:05
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liri	the clone OS script for a 2gb sd card uses the scheme of 128 swap, 128 fat and 128 for root partition. wouldn't it be more useful to create a 256mb swap partition?	14:14
liri	I would think 128mb for swap would not be enough	14:14
timely	um, how much ram do you have on your device?	14:14
timely	some linux configurations can't really do particularly well w/ more swap than ram	14:15
timely	and some user interfaces can't either	14:15
liri	it's an N810 so 128mb ram	14:16
zap	256 won't be useful	14:16
liri	so 128mb of swap is enough/ideal?	14:17
zap	I'd say it's more than needed	14:17
zap	but not that much to worry	14:17
lcuk	no, 640kb is enough, more is ideal	14:17
liri	lcuk: heh, well said	14:17
liri	ok nice to know that 128mb would be ok	14:18
liri	I'm also wondering why is it required to have the 128mb fat for /media/mmc2	14:18
Stskeeps	liri: maemo complains otherwise :P	14:23
Stskeeps	it can be less than 128 though	14:23
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rm_you	suck, i have to ship my computer tomorrow >_>	14:26
rm_you	i'll be off and on for the next week as I travel	14:26
* rm_you is annoyed at the distinct lack of teleportation related technology		14:26
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timely	hrm	14:39
timely	anyone know why planet.maemo.org sends me to http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo// (note the second slash)	14:39
liri	Stskeeps: ahh ok	14:39
liri	Stskeeps: 128mb is fine :)	14:40
liri	Stskeeps: I'll give that clone os script a try, hope it doesn't do any harm to the current running os :)	14:40
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roadies	OK, your maemo developers are cool people ! I just downloaded the Apache webserver... what a cool thing, a web server on a tablet ! way way cool	15:03
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rm_you	wow, didn't know anyone had built apache for maemo <_<	15:07
rm_you	figured it was a bit heavy, would prolly go with something like lighttpd	15:07
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rm_you	bbl	15:22
Robot101	rm_you: apache is smaller than gtk dude :P	15:23
rm_you	heh	15:24
rm_you	but compared to lighttpd or something similar? <_<	15:24
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Robot101	aye its bigger, but it'll still work fine	15:25
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GNUton	hi	15:32
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RST38h	rm_you: packrat is down again	15:45
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crashanddie	Hi, can anyone check if they have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and if not, can they use the camera app ?	16:45
crashanddie	because I don't have it, and I can't access the camera anymore	16:45
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qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: which camera app?	16:46
crashanddie	erhm	16:47
crashanddie	"camera" ?	16:47
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crashanddie	lol	16:47
crashanddie	you know, the one to take pictures with ?	16:47
qwerty12_N800	hehe, i have "videocamera"	16:47
mikkov_	i have it and camera app works	16:47
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: i don't have it and video camera works. run cameratest in a terminal	16:49
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crashanddie	yeah, I get insertion problems with gstreamer	16:49
crashanddie	http://slexy.org/raw/s21hs3Ma1u	16:50
crashanddie	always good to see "cameratest[2563]: Should not come here --" in the debug output	16:50
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: that's odd. i don't have the ffmpeg thing installed	16:51
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/raw/s20qHMEiuE	16:52
crashanddie	do you notice any difference with your NIT ?	16:52
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qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s2u6Z8fDy9	16:53
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RST38h	"On the internet and in small meeting rooms in Britain and the US, flat earth believers get together to challenge the 'conspiracy' that the Earth is round.'"	16:56
RST38h	Mhm	16:56
RST38h	http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/	16:56
qwerty12_N800	RST38h: i'd click but i fear that link is stuck in the 1920's	16:57
lcuk	RST38h, :D are you gonna join us then	16:58
RST38h	no!	16:59
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, I added some -extra gstreamer packages, but still same problem... Weird	16:59
RST38h	"What keeps the cylinder upright?" - their faq	16:59
qwerty12_N800	I knew a northerner would support that... :p, always backward	16:59
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, so you believe that when you're on holiday ?	16:59
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: :/	16:59
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lcuk	if the world is a sphere how come its not difficult to walk northerly? if we were round we would walk uphill	17:01
* lcuk might actually register at htis forum		17:01
crashanddie	ok... this is... bad...	17:02
crashanddie	I only found one reference to the error message I get..	17:02
crashanddie	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=2119	17:02
lcuk	just reflash and put apps on one by one	17:02
crashanddie	And that's because the 770 doesn't have a hardware camera :/	17:02
lcuk	its not major serious "the earth is round" type panid	17:02
lcuk	c	17:02
crashanddie	the earth isn't round	17:03
lcuk	its "podgy" around the middle ;)	17:05
RST38h	try to argue with them that the earth is in fact concave	17:06
RST38h	with sun and moon at the middle	17:06
crashanddie	if you want highly religious guy to believe in astronomy	17:08
crashanddie	tell him the big bang is god, and that the whole universe comes from one central point, and that that point is god	17:08
aquatix	:)	17:09
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crashanddie	usually, it'll shut them up for a few minutes	17:09
crashanddie	enough to make a clean getaway	17:09
aquatix	ghehehe	17:09
crashanddie	timeless \|\| timely ! NEED YOU	17:09
crashanddie	oh, nevermind, /me reflashes	17:10
RST38h	crash: it will not work	17:10
crashanddie	it won't ?	17:10
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RST38h	crash: eventually they will find inconsistencies between this view and the bible and burn you at a stake	17:11
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crashanddie	ah	17:11
crashanddie	I thought the reflashing wasn't going to work	17:11
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crashanddie	RST38h, yeah, may be so, but I'm a good runner, and I love a good fight :P	17:11
RST38h	then just ask 'em why their drink faux human blood during their rites	17:12
RST38h	and eat faux human flesh too	17:13
crashanddie	it's not human	17:13
crashanddie	that's the whole point	17:13
crashanddie	it's supposed to be divine	17:13
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crashanddie	and that's why they eat low end potato chips, and sub par quality wine	17:14
crashanddie	OK WTF	17:14
crashanddie	Bootloader error log follows:	17:14
crashanddie	EP0 in RX state, but no incoming packet	17:14
crashanddie	Premature end of control transfer	17:14
crashanddie	phew reflash worked	17:15
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lcuk	arghhhhhhhhhhh	17:17
lcuk	i think i just lost the end of my elbow	17:17
crashanddie	ouch	17:17
crashanddie	where is it ?	17:17
lcuk	~lart chair being closer to desk than usual	17:17
* infobot makes a balloon animal out of chair being closer to desk than usual		17:17
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lcuk	i hope i didnt knock your teef out wiv my elbowe	17:19
lcuk	-e of course	17:20
qwerty12_N800	nah, typical northerner, nothing there	17:20
lcuk	so many things to do, and all of them require brain effort	17:22
RST38h	crash: This reminds me of a joke where a jew tells the seller "I am not asking you what this fish is made of, I am asking you how much it costs"	17:22
crashanddie	lcuk, reflashed, no apps installed, camera still dead	17:23
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lcuk	how are you testing camera?	17:23
crashanddie	either using liqbase, or by installing the camera app	17:24
qwerty12_N800	lcuk: follow those pdfs on repairing the camera physically :> :D	17:24
crashanddie	RST38h, yeah... I remember a variation of that... Some guy wants to buy flowers for a chick, goes down to a woman selling flowers "Good day to you sir, how much for 4 dozens of red roses ?" "$250" "No, erhm, I meant, how much time do they need to grow"	17:25
lcuk	"hardware maintenance is outside our contract, if the peripheral is not working on a clean install using standard nokia signed applications and nothing else then you are out of luck	17:26
crashanddie	that's fucked up	17:26
lcuk	i dunno whats up wiv ur camera though, especially just after a flash it should all be nice and work unless something else is working	17:27
lcuk	something else is getting in the way rather	17:27
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lcuk	did you just reflash, install camera and test it	17:28
crashanddie	yup	17:28
lcuk	remove meory cards etc?	17:30
qwerty12_N800	i dunno why rtcomm upgrade is fucking up: the version it wants is here : http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/	17:30
crashanddie	lcuk...	17:30
lcuk	mmm	17:30
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: go a nokia authorised service center and tell them to run phoenix and choose the camera test	17:30
RST38h	maybe it has not got indexed yet?	17:31
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crashanddie	anyone know where the camera is mounted in the fs ?	17:31
qwerty12_N800	mounted? tut tut, /dev/video0	17:32
crashanddie	nothing	17:32
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qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: it may have got disconnected inside, did your drop it?	17:33
qwerty12_N800	*you	17:33
crashanddie	not that I know of	17:33
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qwerty12_N800	RST38h: updated it myself with the deb and rtcomm 2.4 installed fine	17:36
crashanddie	:/	17:36
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, what's that phoenix shit ?	17:36
crashanddie	and where the hell is there an authorised service center in SE london ?	17:37
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: phoenix is an internal flasher for bb5 based products. i have a cracked copy but you need special nokia equipment to use it with an n8x0 :(	17:38
crashanddie	ok	17:39
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: nokia has a store locator on their site. my nearest one is in romford :/	17:39
crashanddie	http://www.apps.nokia.co.uk/clubnokiaservice/ :/	17:40
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crashanddie	shit	17:43
crashanddie	closest is halfway to waterloo	17:43
crashanddie	phuket	17:43
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lcuk	crashanddie, many miles from you?	17:47
crashanddie	quite	17:47
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t_s_o	weird, if i use the power button to boot diablo while its turned of and charging i get a white screen. if i then hit the power button again i get the dialog way up in the upper right corner...	17:50
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qwerty12_N800	crashanddie: if you wanna have a go yourself, read original for the l1 + l2 and l3 + l4 n810 service guide	17:52
Stskeeps	t_s_o: does the charger icon move?	17:53
t_s_o	yes	17:53
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Stskeeps	powerlaunch installed by chance?	17:53
t_s_o	nope	17:53
t_s_o	stopped using it after i was told i could edit a file to get reboot in the native menu ;)	17:53
qwerty12_N800	yeah, systemui.xml	17:54
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Stskeeps	i should really just uninstall that too.. i have some many bloody problems with it	17:55
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, yeah, my alarms and lock on bootup wouldn't work with that. someone should point Austin Che to the rtcomm repo :/	17:55
Stskeeps	powerlaunch was good to get DSME info though	17:56
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t_s_o	hmm, seems the diablo kernel could support the huawei E220 3G modem. that is, if it has usbserial compiled in...	17:57
qwerty12	usbserial as module works fine	17:58
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Stskeeps	i'd kill for a 3g modem with internal battery so it didn't drain too much usb power	18:00
Stskeeps	:P	18:00
t_s_o	qwerty12: i should have guessed that someone had tried it ;)	18:01
t_s_o	Stskeeps: thats known as a mobile phone :P	18:02
Stskeeps	t_s_o: yeah.. but in smaller size - i don't need a screen or a UI or keyboard	18:02
Stskeeps	if nokia sold something like that as accesory to n8x0, they'd get rich	18:03
Stskeeps	:P	18:03
Kegetys	well if you carry a phone anyway you might as well use that as the modem too	18:03
t_s_o	hmm, i know nokia have something like that but im not sure if its 3G enabled or have bluetooth...	18:04
t_s_o	or had, it seems to have dropped of their devices page (same page that still shows the 770 btw, weird)	18:06
t_s_o	ah, it was older then i recalled, and not 3G enabled. and discontinued for that matter...	18:07
pupnik	someone did pair a umts 3g modem with n800 and battery pack, iirc	18:08
pupnik	or maybe a 770	18:08
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Proteous	3g realy eats the juice	18:31
Proteous	I can keep my edge connection on all day, most phones will only run a UMTS connection for a few hours	18:34
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Proteous	proFontWindows is a cool font for irssi on the tablet	18:36
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RST38h	The West Virginia DMV granted a religious exemption to a a small group of West Virginia eschatophobes, who fear that digital storage of their drivers license photos is setting up a "mark of the beast" scenario.	19:07
RST38h	South Windsor police arrested Almighty Supremebeing Allah Thursday night... Almighty Supremebeing Allah, who lives in West Hartford, was accused of cocaine possession with intent to sell.	19:07
zap	crude but effective	19:08
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RST38h	"A police investigation into the sexual assault and death of several sheep has been hampered because their main suspect has a twin brother who could also be behind the attacks" due to identical DNA.	19:10
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t_s_o	:S	19:10
qwerty12	Some fucked people...	19:11
t_s_o	heh, something tells me the press loves to write about it...	19:11
pupnik	good to know Proteous - i wasn't aware umts took so much juice	19:12
pupnik	< pondering dropping the dsl	19:12
t_s_o	im guessing its related to the frequency used. from what i understand, there are plans to move umts to the gsm bands at some point...	19:13
t_s_o	dont know if there is any current phone that would support that tho...	19:13
Cptnodegard	since this is the biggest collection of linux geeks in my vicinity ATM, does anyone have anythign bads to say about the acer aspire one/linpus lite?	19:17
t_s_o	cant say as i have yet to get my hands on one. but i tried the linpus lite live cd, and it could not figure out my ati hardware...	19:19
Stskeeps	Cptnodegard: i loathe any acer machinery.. they're bloody impossible	19:20
Stskeeps	:P	19:20
Stskeeps	always had problem with their hardware	19:20
Cptnodegard	lol	19:21
Cptnodegard	well hardware issues wont be...an issue...with the aa1 as its made for it	19:21
* qwerty12 debates whether to put in the time to port the ck patches: http://members.optushome.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/		19:24
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lbt	qwerty12: hi - have a look at https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting and see if I missed anything...	19:33
lbt	and I thought ck had stopped his kernel work?	19:33
pupnik	is linpus the worst distro name ever?	19:33
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Stskeeps	anything involving pus in it's name is bad	19:34
Stskeeps	(puss)	19:34
lbt	oh I don't know about anything	19:34
qwerty12	lbt: hi, You may want to make a note to remind the user to change MENU_2 in MENU_2_FBMODE="auto". rest seems fine.	19:34
qwerty12	lbt: yeah, but his patches for 2.6.21 still work	19:35
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lbt	Chinook doesn't seem to want to boot from a Diablo initfs :(	19:39
qwerty12	I used an chinook initfs on a diablo rootfs. To force mce not to shutdown the device, I had to enable no-lifeguard-reset	19:40
lbt	got the chinook fs mounted, init ran, the blue bar got 80% across - and then it freezes for 10secs and does an orderly shutdown	19:40
qwerty12	Of course, wifi didn't work in diablo with an chinook initfs	19:40
lbt	that'd be OK - I just wanted to setup test environments	19:41
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lbt	can I set no-lifeguard-reset using the cal-tool(?)	19:43
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qwerty12	no, flasher-3.0 only	19:44
qwerty12	cal-tool can set some values but no-lifeguard-reset isn't one of them	19:44
lbt	'k	19:44
Cptnodegard	Veggen, you wouldnt happen to know how to get a norwegian KB to work with USB?	19:45
lbt	do you think it is needed for the problem I described?	19:45
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: can't you just plug it in? I believe bluetooth keyboard settings in control panel lets you change layout of usb keyboard.	19:45
t_s_o	hmm, it seems there is a rtcomm update out...	19:45
qwerty12	lbt: it was for me	19:45
qwerty12	t_s_o: forced an update, still can't tell what is new :/	19:46
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t_s_o	seems its having trouble with haze...	19:46
t_s_o	telepathy-haze that is	19:46
qwerty12	I installed -haze manually: http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/	19:47
qwerty12	after that, update worked	19:47
t_s_o	heh, my collabora entry was still set to chinook, i wonder if that could have an effect	19:49
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qwerty12	I changed it to diablo, nothing changed	19:50
Cptnodegard	nice, worked, thanks qwerty12 :D	19:50
t_s_o	hmm, seems the chinook subdirs are set up different then the diablo one	19:50
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: cool :)	19:50
t_s_o	diablo only has user, not haze and others like chinook	19:50
qwerty12	Hmm, didn't see that, I'll add a duplicate entry for chinook	19:51
RST38h	t_s_o: Oh	19:52
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t_s_o	heh, going diablo and user made a libpurple update show up as well ;)	19:53
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* qwerty12 is waiting for kernel with op_mode patch, rotation patch, brightness changing patch, 48Mhz mmc. japanese radio patch, musb fix patch to compile. I'll attack the ck patches tomorrow.		19:53
Cptnodegard	has ther ebeen a slution to the problem with USB kb dismount not re-emabling on screen kb?	19:53
zap	qwerty12: what is 'musb fix patch' ?	19:54
qwerty12	zap: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3026 - I believe you already commented on it. Nothing to do with usbnet :(	19:54
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: something about using gconf tool from personal menu to untick a value. I think its on planet maemo somewhere	19:54
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t_s_o	Cptnodegard: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163217&postcount=17	19:55
qwerty12	Typical, forget one #endif and the whole thing stops :/	19:55
lbt	qwerty12: so that didn't help - it just hung for longer unil I power cycled it...	19:56
qwerty12	:(	19:56
lbt	;(	19:56
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t_s_o	ah, never mind. seems you had allready seen that thread, and your question about a solution was more a question about a final fix from nokia or similar	19:57
Cptnodegard	thank you qwerty12 and t_s_o! if i were to add a item to personal-launch with the command for enabling the KB, would that work?	19:58
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: yep, it should do. I know people use it with osso-statusbar-cpu fine	19:58
t_s_o	think so, yes. never tried as i use the graphical gconf editor to fix it if it happens :P	19:58
qwerty12	True, I use gconf-editor too :P	19:59
t_s_o	basically i have not seen it happen enough to warrant its own icon in launcher	19:59
Cptnodegard	it happens everytime if you use USB kb, at least with me	20:00
qwerty12	trickie: this would be a nice thing in community kernels: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/	20:00
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trickie	qwerty12: make a patch for me?	20:01
Cptnodegard	do i have to check "run in terminal" then?	20:01
Cptnodegard	for it to work	20:02
trickie	qwerty12: im lazy, don't have the sources atm	20:02
qwerty12	trickie: I can try, my diff skills are weird	20:02
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: shouldn't need to, gconftool doesn't require user input	20:02
t_s_o	hmm, a modest update as well. there goes the multiaccount gui i guess :S	20:03
dannym	hi :)	20:03
qwerty12	hello dannym	20:03
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dannym	qwerty12: ah, hi :)	20:03
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t_s_o	Cptnodegard: if your using a usb keyboard, make sure to unplug the keyboard from the converter before you unplug that from the tablet	20:04
dannym	qwerty12: I was wondering, what's the difference between the "usb_modeswitch" you ported and the (Option) "rezero" program?	20:04
trickie	qwerty12: no worries, i can do it later	20:04
dannym	qwerty12: Is "usb_modeswitch" more generic or something?	20:04
qwerty12	trickie: sorry. last time I tried, I had a patch that wouldn't apply. :(	20:05
qwerty12	dannym: I think so, lemme see	20:05
qwerty12	"This utility works differently to the excellent usb_modeswitch, it supports only the Option devices and it will support multiple Option devices. "	20:05
qwerty12	t_s_o: I wouldn't update modest. It's the same version number.	20:06
t_s_o	hmm, ok? seems it found it impossible to update anyways...	20:06
Cptnodegard	wohoohohohohohoh it work s:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D thanks again people, youre lifesavers (actually $800 savers as i dont need a aspire one now)	20:06
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: lol, you were going to buy an aspire to use an usb keyboard? :D	20:07
t_s_o	bah, i keep having chinook overlaps :S	20:07
t_s_o	i should really clean out my repo list	20:07
GeneralAntilles	lbt, == Section == is the top level section header, not = Section =	20:08
dannym	qwerty12: I see... hmm, might make sense to use usb_modeswitch then (and put it into a package of its own) rather than hacking up the new HSO debian package with rezero :)	20:08
Cptnodegard	qwerty12: no to get a working norwegian keyboard and not have to reboot the device to switch back. yes, i know, bad reason to spend that much money but ive made $1520 at work this work instead of taking my vacation so i want a need toy ragardless	20:08
qwerty12	Cptnodegard: Ah :)	20:09
Cptnodegard	work = week	20:09
dannym	qwerty12: I registered garage project "modem" (and SVN directory).. do you want to put yuor "usb_modeswitch" there, too?	20:09
lbt	GeneralAntilles: OK	20:09
dannym	your*	20:09
t_s_o	seems changing my modest repo from chinook to diablo made the modest update go away. guess its there for those that still want to use chinook	20:09
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qwerty12	dannym: sure, I can put usb_modeswitch there sometime. Do you think I should package it?	20:09
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GeneralAntilles	Gb == Gigabits	20:10
RST38h	Should I install Collabora's version of Pidgin or should I stay away from the sucker?	20:10
dannym	qwerty12: yeah, it would be nice to eventually have everything in a nice normal Extras debian binary package... :)	20:10
RST38h	It is 20+MB	20:10
RST38h	The original one is just 5+MB	20:10
dannym	qwerty12: and I think since "usb_modeswitch" is pretty generic it should go into its own package (since otherwise there would be conflicts if multiple drivers tried to install the same file :D)	20:11
qwerty12	dannym: yeah :D	20:11
qwerty12	I'll see if debian carry a package first, save me time :P	20:11
t_s_o	ah, i see now. as modest is part of the firmware now, there is no need for the modest repo outside of chinook. stupid me...	20:12
qwerty12	Ugh, I have to use such an ugly hack to unmount my mmc :(	20:12
dannym	does anyone else have trouble after doing "apt-get update" in scratchbox (chinook) ?	20:13
lbt	dannym: just recently - or ever?	20:13
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, Pidgin or rtcomm?	20:13
dannym	recently...	20:13
lbt	lemmesee	20:14
dannym	a few days ago I updated (first time for a long time) and now I got a file fight between package "debianutils" and "passwd" for file "/usr/sbin/add-shell" ...	20:15
dannym	(or is there a "diablo" scratchbox repository? I'm not insisting on using "chinook" ;))	20:15
dannym	(and once there is any file conflict, apt-get seems to refuse to do anything until the conflict is fixed... :()	20:16
RST38h	GAN: Pidgin	20:16
RST38h	I installed new RTComm already	20:16
lbt	mine seems OK	20:17
dannym	lbt: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/add-shell" say for your Scratchbox?	20:17
qwerty12	dannym: diablo sdk scratchbox: debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell	20:18
lbt	I think it would be nice to see a wiki page showing the various sources.list entries that should be setup for scratchboxes	20:18
lbt	debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell	20:18
lbt	(CHINOOK_ARMEL btw)	20:18
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qwerty12	dannym: this will take some time. usb_modeswitch doesn't use makefile but "compile.sh" script. I will make a quick Makefile	20:18
dannym	qwerty12: hmm... what's the "sources.list" for diablo sdk scratchbox? last time I tried to put "diablo" there it said it didn't exist...	20:19
lbt	yeah - that's why a wiki page would be nice...	20:19
lbt	WTF is it this week	20:20
qwerty12	dannym: http://slexy.org/view/s2IPQ9vrlG	20:20
dannym	qwerty12: yeah, no hurry... as you can see my build env is botchered for some reason and so having a proper modem autocompilable driver package will take some time anyway :)	20:21
qwerty12	:)	20:21
* qwerty12 steals lcuk's Makefile		20:21
dannym	hehehe	20:21
* dannym steals qwery12's pastebin text and puts it on a new wiki page		20:22
lcuk	!oi	20:22
qwerty12	dannym: lol	20:22
qwerty12	lcuk: :p	20:22
lcuk	that make file has special sauce	20:22
lbt	too late - it's GPL !	20:23
lcuk	thanks for adding it qwerty12	20:23
qwerty12	lcuk: I'm ripping it out, all this program needs is gcc -l usb -o usb_modeswitch usb_modeswitch.c :P	20:23
qwerty12	lcuk: np :)	20:23
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lcuk	lol lbt, qwerty12 has already added stuff	20:23
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dannym	<http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories>	20:34
qwerty12_N800	dannym: "deb file:/home/faheem/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1 diablo explicit" ;)	20:35
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lbt	I'm very close on this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Multi-boot but I'm stuck. If anyone else cares about setting up a multiboot test environment then please take a look :)	20:36
dannym	qwerty12_N800: yeah, saw that just now ;) removing the line :)	20:36
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dannym	qwerty12_N800: thanks ^^	20:36
qwerty12_N800	dannym: np :)	20:36
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zach_	anyone know how to format an sd card?	20:38
dannym	zach_: um... no, it's not magnetic :) but you can create a new filesystem with "mkfs" on one of its partitions or something...	20:39
dannym	{/nitpicky}	20:39
* dannym hides		20:39
lbt	https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card	20:40
qwerty12_N800	the file manager can do it, if you are formatting it to ext* then resort to the command line	20:40
qwerty12_N800	makefile variables are there to drive me crazy	20:42
dannym	qwerty12_N800: hehe, try MSVC nmake... you'll be ready to throw the computer out of the window in no time :->	20:42
qwerty12_N800	lol	20:43
lcuk	you need to undefine NORTHERNGRIT before trying to deploy it. infact, you could just use the southern_jessie target	20:43
dannym	oh great. I can't dist-upgrade before fixing the file fight either :(	20:44
qwerty12_N800	lcuk: at least in the south i'm prepared to use diablo_armel :p	20:44
* lcuk is happy with his helicopter OS		20:45
dannym	lbt: What does your Scratchbox say about "dpkg -l passwd"?	20:45
qwerty12_N800	dannym: post your error messages	20:45
lbt	ii passwd 4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8 change and administer password and group data	20:46
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t_s_o	hmm, seems that while the modest package has a slight number bump, i cant get it to update...	20:46
qwerty12_N800	lcuk: ... until it crashes	20:46
dannym	qwerty12_N800: <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories#Warning>	20:46
t_s_o	crap, now i see why...	20:47
t_s_o	stupid me	20:47
qwerty12_N800	dannym: quick fix is coming up	20:47
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, the only thing i can do to make it crash is code liqbase badly	20:47
qwerty12_N800	lcuk: i assume that's always happening?	20:48
lcuk	heh, no	20:48
dannym	lbt: mine says "ii passwd 4.0.3-31sarge5.osso change and administer password and group data"...	20:48
dannym	lbt: looks like it's cutting my field? or does it? wonders	20:49
lcuk	dannym, you anret in sb then? just regular console?	20:49
t_s_o	heh, even using apt-get it didnt work. conflict with modest-l10n	20:49
dannym	lcuk: in the console in Scratchbox. My host system is Gentoo so I can't really confuse them ;)	20:50
lcuk	dannym, dont worry its my eyes that need upgrading	20:50
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qwerty12_N800	dannym: apt-get install passwd; dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso7_i386.deb; apt-get install --reinstall debianutils	20:50
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qwerty12_N800	you may need to do dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils<tab> after the --REINSTALL	20:51
qwerty12_N800	*--reinstall	20:51
qwerty12_N800	~lart hildon-input-method	20:52
* infobot strangles hildon-input-method with a 9-pole serial cable		20:52
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t_s_o	:P	20:53
RST38h	again, again please!	20:54
RST38h	until it is dead!	20:54
lcuk	wont that raise neck_break() events?	20:55
dannym	hehehe	20:55
RST38h	lcuk: events be damned	20:56
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zach_	hmm "apt-get install e2fsprogs"..it says it may be obsolete or availiable from another source	21:00
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qwerty12_N800	dannym: got the Makefile sorted. just need to fix the install: section and remove the northerner stuff :p	21:01
dannym	qwerty12_N800: cool :)	21:02
dannym	(mumbles what's a northerner?)	21:03
qwerty12_N800	dannym: lcuk :D	21:03
lbt	he's not alone you know	21:04
lbt	damned pansy suverners	21:04
dannym	weeeird :)	21:06
qwerty12_N800	yep they are :p	21:06
* qwerty12_N800 pretends i'm not from w.yorkshire		21:06
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* dannym pretends he's not from Wien :)		21:08
qwerty12_N800	Thats Vienna right?	21:09
qwerty12_N800	well in English afaik	21:09
RST38h	Should be Vienna...	21:09
dannym	qwerty12_N800: yep :) although I usually don't say that anymore because there's a "Vienna" in the US or something ;)	21:09
dannym	qwerty12_N800: found out my typing "Vienna" in Google Maps and it telling me like 8013km... "swim across the atlantic" ;)	21:10
RST38h	Washington DC suburb	21:10
qwerty12_N800	dannym: :), lol	21:10
RST38h	been there	21:10
dannym	by*	21:10
dannym	RST38h: oic :)	21:11
pupnik	dannym: do you like Wien? anything to recommend it as a place to live?	21:11
* pupnik is considering moving there		21:11
dannym	pupnik: depends on the district... it's huge... (overall I like it)	21:12
pupnik	i had a chance to see the huge t-systems building, but not much else	21:13
* RST38h just remembers marzipan chocolate bars from his short visit to Wien airport		21:13
RST38h	Those were good though =)	21:13
dannym	pupnik: didn't see the Prater yet? :) The original rollercoaster rides and other puke-inducing (the good kind) attractions ... check it out ;)	21:15
zach_	Is it possible to format an sd card via usb on a desktop from a n800?	21:16
dannym	zach_: you mean the SD card is in the N800 and the N800 is in device mode, connected to the PC... and you want the PC to "format" it?	21:17
zach_	i mounted my n800 on my desktop...umounted and did "mkdosfs /dev/sdcard"	21:17
zach_	on my desktop	21:18
dannym	zach_: yeah, should work.	21:18
zach_	it did...it deleted my files and shows up as "vfat"	21:18
dannym	zach_: (I never tried without partitions btw)	21:18
zach_	but...	21:18
* qwerty12_N800 will dh_make usb_modeswitch tomorrow, and if it works, send off the Makefile to the original author		21:19
zach_	when the sd card is mounted on my n800..(it is 2gb)..it shows up as 120mb and none of my files	21:19
zach_	are shown on it	21:19
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dannym	zach_: weird... is it an SDHC card? What does "dmesg" say it found?	21:20
dannym	zach_: (on the N800)	21:20
zach_	no not a sdhc..just a little sd micro	21:20
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* dannym has a 2GB Kingston RS-MMC with an adapter next to the N800 battery, works fine (all 2GB) with both Chinook and Diablo		21:24
zach_	well i cloned os2008 on mine so that i could install KDE	21:25
* qwerty12_N800 hopes uk police broadcast on japanese fm radio frequencies		21:26
dannym	zach_: check "dmesg" output whether it's already misdetecting the device itself or whether it's messing up the filesystem.	21:27
dannym	pupnik: Wien has a lot of trees and clean water (very clean water) and as such doesn't feel as "concrete desert" as, say, [parts of] Munich...	21:27
dannym	pupnik: note that a lot of buildings are old (as in OOOLD) so be careful when choosing a residence :D	21:28
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zach_	dannym, dmesg doesn't anything about it o.o	21:31
zach_	well	21:31
zach_	a little bit but nothing useful	21:31
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dannym	zach_: then check /sys/block/<whatever_device_it_is>/size	21:32
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qwerty12_N800	http://sds.hpvisualradio.com/sdsweb/Search.do - where the nokia fmradio gets its channel list from	21:35
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qwerty12_N800	ok, now i know my router isn't dodgy in regards to ssh. i just tried sshing into my account at a webhost and it stays stuck forever after entering the password. on my desktop, sshing there works. when i ssh to my tablet from my desktop, it gets stuck on the password	21:54
lbt	ssh -vvv <host>	21:56
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qwerty12_N800	ta, after entering password: http://slexy.org/view/s2PYQ4piBh	21:58
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qwerty12_N800	now i'm getting debug2: client_check_window_change: changed and debug2: channel 0: request window-change confirm 0 repeatedly	22:01
lbt	you get : debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 0	22:01
lbt	on success I get: debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 1	22:01
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lbt	my last few debugs b4 sucess http://slexy.org/view/s20gOHRdS6	22:02
qwerty12_N800	thanks	22:02
lbt	like this : http://slexy.org/view/s20jtIngWg	22:03
lbt	I get that when I resize the 'xterm' window	22:03
lbt	it stops when I stop resizing	22:04
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qwerty12_N800	i think those resizing messages may be when hildon-input-method pops up. but it gives up after: debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768	22:07
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lbt	http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Secure-Shell/2007-01/msg00038.html	22:12
lbt	running out of ptys?	22:12
lbt	that's a kernel config that I've been bitten on b4	22:13
qwerty12_N800	it shouldn't be. i've googled and it seems to be an dns error as sshing in from the tablet to 127.0.0.1 works (although not from my computer to tablet)	22:14
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acydlord	holy snap, a Ti flash is like $160	22:16
acydlord	flask^	22:16
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dannym	ok, dist-upgraded to Diablo... and now:	22:22
dannym	dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8_i386.deb (--unpack):	22:22
dannym	trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/remove-shell', which is also in package debianutils	22:22
dannym	how... new... bangs head on keyboard	22:23
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dannym	(fixed it the same way as before :))	22:24
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liri	what key is to be pressed and hold to access the boot menu? it's running so fast I couldn't read it	22:29
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qwerty12_N800	openssh is still pissing me around. i've disabled dnsmasq to no avail. i'll build a proper openssh from cvs tommorow	22:37
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GeneralAntilles	liri, the menu key	22:54
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liri	GeneralAntilles: thanks, got it :)	23:05
liri	GeneralAntilles: I've set with cal-tool ask:mmc2 although I want to remove the boot menu itself (it's there for 30 seconds and that's too long for me) but leave the default mmc2 root partition	23:06
liri	GeneralAntilles: any pointers on that?	23:06
Cptnodegard	does abiword read .doc?	23:06
dannym	Cptnodegard: depends on which ".doc". There are about 5 formats (that I know) that have ".doc" as file name ending.	23:07
dannym	Cptnodegard: try "file -bi whatever.doc" and see what it says :)	23:08
liri	is it just required to change the timeout option in /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh ?	23:08
liri	ahh, it's a read-only filesystem too	23:09
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t_s_o	so, given the new modest package for chinook, is there some updates for diablo right around the corner?	23:11
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RST38bis	you should ask nokia that	23:13
liri	ok got that boot menu resolved	23:13
t_s_o	RST38bis: heh, true	23:13
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RST38bis	last thing i know, they have blamed modest crashes and hangups on a kernel problem	23:15
Cptnodegard	dannym, whatever word 2003 spits out by default.	23:15
Stskeeps	RST38bis: is Modest like heavily threaded or something?	23:16
RST38bis	yep	23:16
dannym	Cptnodegard: I've no idea, I'm afraid... try it :)	23:16
RST38bis	using futexes too	23:16
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Cptnodegard	just did, just got a lot of ?????????'s	23:17
Stskeeps	what happened to good old single threaded programs and poll()..	23:17
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Stskeeps	after using thunderbird and modest for a bit, i feel like going back to using mutt	23:17
RST38bis	i made a suggestion to use software semaphores or some other mechanism and got brushed off	23:17
t_s_o	Stskeeps: im tempted to reply that they where pushed out to pasture...	23:18
RST38bis	and futexes are not properly implemented on arm	23:18
Stskeeps	ah	23:20
Stskeeps	and yeah, why not just use pthread semaphores :P	23:21
Stskeeps	which reminds me.. where the hell is my pthreads book	23:21
Stskeeps	ah, there	23:22
Stskeeps	:P	23:22
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liri	I previously saw that the N810 detected one of my laptop shares on the network, I think in the File Manager but I can't find it again	23:26
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zap	hmm... just noticed that diablo/control in kernel source packags says "Flashable Linux kernel for RX-34, RX-44, RX-48 hardware"	23:27
zap	bah, debian/control not diablo/control :)	23:28
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dannym	finally, after 2 days and about 200 commands, "cdbs" is installed and I can use "dpkg-buildpackage". phiiew..	23:35
Stskeeps	ow, isaac hayes/Chef died :(	23:35
dannym	thanks lbt, qwerty12, lcuk :)	23:36
* dannym will try to get some sleep now for a change :)		23:36
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zap	cdbs rulez	23:38
zap	was it any more complex than just apt-get install cdbs?	23:39
dannym	zap: yeah, Scratchbox decided to bork on me.	23:39
dannym	zap: see <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories>	23:39
dannym	oh well, at least I have Diablo on Scratchbox now :)	23:39
dannym	zap: and I reinstalled the devkits, including a 300MB or something doctools devkit (for "xsltproc") via a 12KByte/sec line for the rest of MUD to work.	23:41
dannym	zap: almost painful... ;)	23:41
zap	oh yes :)	23:41
zap	lots of fun	23:41
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GAN800	liri, bootmenu.conf	23:42
dannym	zap: I have to see the positive side, at least I didn't have to refetch the rest of Scratchbox... :->	23:43
GAN800	Just set the timeout to zero	23:43
GAN800	Refer to the README	23:43
liri	GAN800: thanks I already got it resolved with the command option	23:43
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zap	Anybody knows how I can find out the version of a certain installed package?	23:59
zap	I need the "Version:" field of the "dpkg -s" output	23:59

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