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| zap | chelli: we are kind of beta-testers for the autobuilder, so we must be prepared for mysterious things to happen :) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | :( | 00:01 |
| lcuk | i did all i could, but unfortunately we had to amputate the arm. | 00:01 |
| zap | whose? | 00:01 |
| zap | the ARM? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | my son was devistated :( | 00:02 |
| zap | oh my! | 00:03 |
| jott | seriously?! | 00:03 |
| lcuk | at least this time its not terminal. the last one lost his head | 00:03 |
| pupnik | it's a toy jott | 00:03 |
| jott | ah | 00:03 |
| * lcuk wishes he had kept spares | 00:03 | |
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| zap | well please use smiles when you're kidding, with my poor English its not always easy to understand that | 00:04 |
| lcuk | :D ill smile when im telling him his favorie toy is armless next time :P | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | though i agree with you | 00:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you should have kept the headless one for spares | 00:06 |
| zap | well my daughter got hit by a jeep about a month ago, so I'm a bit sensible to these things now | 00:06 |
| RST38h | zap: :( | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i know that, but he didnt have a donor card | 00:07 |
| lcuk | :( zap omg | 00:07 |
| zap | she's okay | 00:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you could always declare him to be at the field of battle | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i had mentioned to jott about it being buzz just up there ^^ | 00:07 |
| RST38h | zap: where? | 00:08 |
| zap | RST38h: in the courtyard | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | scary shit =( | 00:09 |
| lcuk | zap i would hate to go through that | 00:09 |
| lcuk | was she injured? | 00:09 |
| zap | a bit, but now she already forgot about it | 00:10 |
| hrw | qgil is on holidays from tomorrow - I hope that he will read my mail before leaving | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | hrw, he reads lots of stuff - im constantly amazed by how many pies he is involved in | 00:11 |
| lcuk | its like he types with 2 computers :D | 00:11 |
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| chelli | zap: yes, of course but i still hope that issue this will be resolved soon, it is not very motivating when the infrastructure breaks over and over again :) | 00:12 |
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| zap | chelli: just get a needle and puncture X-Fade until everything's fine :) | 00:13 |
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| chelli | zap: yes, he already got a few messages in a query yesterday and today, he promised to look at it as soon as re solved your problem ;-) | 00:15 |
| zap | hmm, 8 UNKNOWNs in a row | 00:21 |
| zap | and all for chinook | 00:21 |
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| mikkov_ | disk is full? | 00:24 |
| mikkov_ | 13 UNKNOWNs in a row | 00:25 |
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| zap | the logs look funny :) | 00:26 |
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| mikkov_ | last FAILED had No space left on device | 00:28 |
| Mace` | http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/92/18/86/20perc10.jpg | 00:28 |
| mikkov_ | or 2 last FAILED ones | 00:28 |
| Mace` | haha | 00:28 |
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| chelli | mikkov_: yes, disk full really could explain the problem, i even know who used most of the space, hint: qt4-x11 takes about 6GB of space while building, afaik ;-) | 00:33 |
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| jott | 12gb as it seems as it builds x86 and armel :) | 00:33 |
| chelli | jott: ok, you are right, the last time it seems it was sucessful with building for armel, but got disk ful while unpacking the sources for the x86 build ;-) | 00:34 |
| lcuk | no chance of me building it in a reasonable time on the 810 then | 00:35 |
| chelli | :) | 00:36 |
| jott | hopefully nokia will be so generous and provide a machine with a bit more hdd space at one point in time :) | 00:36 |
| lbt | can't you plug external usb drives into the tablets? | 00:37 |
| lcuk | i just need mmc space really, but 6gb is a massive build | 00:37 |
| jott | i think you also need a bit more of ram :) | 00:38 |
| jott | but 6gb shouldn't be a problem. | 00:38 |
| lcuk | MOAR everything, but no rotational devices tyvm | 00:38 |
| lcuk | its just a problem of it being a metric shitload of code | 00:38 |
| chelli | lcuk: i guess when the build of qt4-x11 on the n810 is ready,you will be able to buy the n1000 in stores ;-) | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | when things get that big, it might be better to just upload and let the autobuilder do it for me ;) | 00:40 |
| lcuk | but 6gb is massive by any codebase standards | 00:40 |
| jott | well documentation and debug symbols take a large part of it | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | ahhh, whats the binary footprint of all this? | 00:42 |
| chelli | well, as long as the resulting packages are installable on the internal flash of the n8x0 without removing all other apps first, i have no problem with it :) | 00:42 |
| chelli | lcuk: i have no idea | 00:43 |
| lcuk | jott, should there be debug symbols in the standard build? | 00:43 |
| jott | needed packages are around 20mb | 00:43 |
| jott | lcuk: no they are in an extra package | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | ahhh, so do not have to build the entire thing | 00:44 |
| jott | uh? as enduser / application developer you install the packages and maybe also the -dev packages. | 00:44 |
| lcuk | me as minimalist hacker. wanting to see what the core graphical needs but not be bogged down with 10 layers back | 00:45 |
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| lbt | saw this on git recently : http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/index.html | 00:49 |
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| jott | "As Arthur C. Clarke observed, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." hehe | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/07/poor_man_buys_i_am_rich_app/ | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | Wouldn't have happened if he'd bought an NIT instead of an iPhone | 01:09 |
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| jott | crashanddie: apparently 3 other people bought this app :) | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | jott, cool, means there's $3k in my bank account | 01:13 |
| * jott should also write some iphone apps :P | 01:13 | |
| crashanddie | well, 4 | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | :D | 01:13 |
| jott | -30% ;P | 01:13 |
| MangoFusion | crashanddie: no, instead it would have been an app you needed to spend 3 days to get working ;) | 01:13 |
| mikkov_ | yes, xmoto | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie | Stanley Cube Bricked's new film ! GAN8001: The Space Odyssey, featuring lcuk's liqbase with hidden HAL features... "Hello Michael, would you like me to crash today" In theatres August 15th ! | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | [/random crap] | 01:17 |
| * jott starts to think crashanddie is a bot :P | 01:17 | |
| crashanddie | We'll see about that in Berlin | 01:18 |
| jott | attack of the cybercrashanddies | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | I'll cough on you... "attack of the cyberflem" | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | (that's just gross xD) | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | I have the feeling one of my flatmates just jumped out of the window | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | brb | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | there was this sound on the roof, like trying to open the window vigorously, and then a loud/hard bang outside, coming from beneath | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | and now it's very quiet | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | and I don't dare yelling at him to see if he'll answer, nor going downstairs if there's a body | 01:23 |
| jott | better lookout. | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | take a brolly. might be raining heavily | 01:25 |
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| crashanddie | well, I was thinking about what I was going to do (there really isn't a single sound) | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | and I rolled a fag | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | guess I decided without knowing it, bbl | 01:26 |
| jott | brolly, hehe learn a colloquial word every day with lcuk ;) | 01:26 |
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| moontiger | hey khertan :) | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | good news, there's no body | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | bad news, I'm a wussy | 01:35 |
| jott | because you tried to disposed the body? :P | 01:37 |
| jott | and failed :> | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | no | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | because my heart was racing when I went in the garden, looking for it, and Andy (our hedgehog) scared the shit out of me when making noise in the bushes | 01:38 |
| moontiger | hedgehog? | 01:38 |
| * moontiger smiles | 01:38 | |
| crashanddie | yeah, well I petitioned to call him Sonic, but the others failed to see the positive side of such a name | 01:39 |
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| * moontiger laughs | 01:39 | |
| moontiger | cool name for a hedgehog | 01:39 |
| jott | hehe sonic comes as a natrual choice for a hedgehog name :) | 01:40 |
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| crashanddie | well, apart from the fleas, those things are cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute: http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/HedgehogBNPS_450x300.jpg | 01:42 |
| moontiger | i used to have pet rats | 01:42 |
| moontiger | i loved them | 01:42 |
| ds3 | hedgehogs? | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I've had rats, too | 01:42 |
| moontiger | cant imagine hedgehogs sleeping in bed with me tho | 01:43 |
| Mace` | have to fly to LA tomorrow.. i can't stand airports | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | flying is fun | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | I love to make fun with the security guards | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | well... Usually, it's just making fun of them, but sometimes they'll hop on the joyride | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | i'd like a dpad that could play sonic the hedgehog | 02:03 |
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| Mace` | haha | 02:09 |
| Mace` | yeah.. the dpad on the n800 sucks :) | 02:09 |
| Mace` | but then again it really wasn't intended as a gaming dpad | 02:09 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:09 |
| Mace` | although i'm sure they could have done something to make it a little more game friendly | 02:09 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure i'd know what would serve both purposes best | 02:09 |
| * Mace` is trying to build qt/kde | 02:09 | |
| pupnik | if it looks like a gamepad, it's also going to hurt the image of the device imo | 02:09 |
| pupnik | but i'd really like 8-way, low resistance steering | 02:10 |
| Mace` | heh.... well.. it's not its intended purpose | 02:10 |
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| Mace` | kernel/qt_x11_p.h:69:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory | 02:11 |
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| Mace` | wow are you kidding me? :) | 02:11 |
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| Mace` | wtf | 02:12 |
| jott | pupnik: we should really find someone making something like this iphone gamepad. | 02:12 |
| Mace` | do you have to build x11 for scratchbox or something? | 02:12 |
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| jott | Mace`: ... why are you wasting your time?! :( | 02:12 |
| Mace` | ? | 02:13 |
| Mace` | learning is not a waste of time even in failure :) | 02:13 |
| jott | if you tried to rebuild distributors packages it should tell you to fetch the needed -dev packages... | 02:13 |
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| jott | (like libx11-dev) | 02:14 |
| moontiger | does the diablo have the libcurl libs installed? | 02:14 |
| Mace` | could you give me something small that i can try out in order to see what you are talking about jott? | 02:15 |
| moontiger | wow that was bad ... i can speak english really :/ | 02:15 |
| jott | moontiger: yes. "libcurl3" should be there. | 02:15 |
| moontiger | awesome thanks | 02:16 |
| jott | Mace`: packages.debian.org, packages.ubuntu.com | 02:16 |
| Mace` | that's what i'm looking at now | 02:16 |
| jott | which qt package did you fetch? | 02:16 |
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| Mace` | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kde/kde-devel | 02:18 |
| jott | that's just a meta package ... | 02:19 |
| Mace` | i think the problem is that i don't really know what a dev pkg would look like :) | 02:20 |
| moontiger | brb | 02:20 |
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| jott | Mace`: that's why you should read something like the debian new maintainers guide | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, get the source files | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, then just dpkg-source -x file.dsc; cd dir; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, you'll get your -dev package | 02:22 |
| Mace` | see.. that's what i don't get.. my scratchbox install doesn't have dpkg-source on it | 02:22 |
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| jott | or just dget -x http://foo/bla.dsc | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | dget ? or wget ? | 02:23 |
| jott | dget | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, maybe you need to install some packages ? | 02:23 |
| jott | like dput | 02:23 |
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| crashanddie | oh, ok | 02:23 |
| Mace` | yeah.. i'm sure i do .. just have to figure out where to start doing that :) | 02:23 |
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| jott | this will combine the "download and dpkg-source -x" step :) | 02:23 |
| Mace` | like.. starting with dpkg would help :) | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, dpkg-dev ? | 02:24 |
| jott | hm dget is even in my default sbox install. | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | oh but look... $ apt-file search dpkg-source | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | dpkg-dev: /usr/bin/dpkg-source | 02:25 |
| jott | it's in "devscripts" otherwise. | 02:26 |
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| Mace` | ah.. i figured it out.. i missed a step | 02:31 |
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| bef0rd | aliens and rpms | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | HAHAHA "crop circles are to tune up the planet, and stabilizing the planet and prevent it from tipping on its axis" - George Green | 02:50 |
| Mace` | hm.. tried to build dpkg from src and it can't find curses.h but i just installed ncurses | 02:53 |
| bef0rd | ncurses-dev ? | 02:55 |
| bef0rd | libcurses-dev? | 02:55 |
| bef0rd | most of header files are on -dev packages | 02:55 |
| jott | Mace`: please! read some very basic manuals. | 02:57 |
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| moontiger | so im writing a home screen applet to read from a google calendar... | 02:59 |
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| moontiger | and it has to be in C cos the python bindings aren't written yet | 02:59 |
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| moontiger | so i was wondering if anybody knows of any c libs for the gdata stuff or do i have to write my own | 03:00 |
| bef0rd | I believe Khertan wrote home applets on python, did not he? | 03:00 |
| moontiger | he did and i have spoken to him but there is no way to use the settings menu stuff for the home screen | 03:00 |
| moontiger | as the python bindings arent there yet (if ever) | 03:00 |
| bef0rd | ah I see. | 03:00 |
| moontiger | and his talks to mcalendar | 03:00 |
| moontiger | i want something to just talk to my calendar and show up to a month of events | 03:01 |
| moontiger | my google calendar that is | 03:01 |
| moontiger | i have the code working on my desktop mostly | 03:01 |
| moontiger | so its a porting thing | 03:01 |
| moontiger | i was using pythin too until i discovered that problem | 03:01 |
| moontiger | and of course i can let khertan use the home screen applet for mcalendar too if he wants to | 03:02 |
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| moontiger | anyways ... the question was about the gdata libs for C | 03:03 |
| moontiger | there are Objective C libs but they are for OSX | 03:03 |
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| jott | moontiger: http://code.google.com/p/gdata-gobject-client/ not sure how well it works.. | 03:07 |
| jott | (just google foo :) | 03:08 |
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| moontiger | jott ... damn!! you had me happy there for a minute but they didnt release any files yet so there is no actual lib :( | 03:09 |
| moontiger | but thanks for trying | 03:09 |
| jott | :( | 03:10 |
| moontiger | i'll just use libcurl and grunge thru the xml stuff | 03:10 |
| jott | svn contains stuff | 03:10 |
| jott | might be worth a try atleast :) | 03:10 |
| [yzf600] | can os2007 run on a nokia 770? | 03:10 |
| jott | (like running the test) | 03:10 |
| jott | [yzf600]: there is a os2007he | 03:10 |
| [yzf600] | anyone have experience running it? | 03:12 |
| moontiger | i might give it a shot but ive been looking thru the docs and the gdata stuff is just xml http posts back and forth ... in javascript it would be trivial | 03:12 |
| moontiger | but i can write a small lib using libcurl and xml parsing | 03:12 |
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| moontiger | do you know what xml libs are on os2008 by default? | 03:13 |
| Mace` | ok... figured out a few things i did wrong already :) but it's cool... i'm reading the maint guide now jott .. i'll work on it after i'm done reading it.. tnx for the help | 03:13 |
| jott | moontiger: i think libxml2 and expat should be installed | 03:14 |
| jott | Mace`: you are welcome. just try to get some context for your understanding and ask here again. someone will most likely know an answer. | 03:15 |
| moontiger | ok coolio ... so im going to write the gdata stuff as a separate little lib that can grow in future and can be used by other people | 03:16 |
| moontiger | its just xml rpc stuff | 03:16 |
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| jott | moontiger: why not try to contribute to the google code framewrok :) | 03:17 |
| jott | (not having seen it, but trying to encourage collaboration :) | 03:18 |
| moontiger | i will when i have something to submit ... i want to get it working first then i can submit and let it get developed more maybe | 03:18 |
| moontiger | thnx for the help ... libcurl and libxml2 is all i need | 03:18 |
| moontiger | off to see batman now ... bbl | 03:20 |
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| jott | have fun. | 03:20 |
| moontiger | :) | 03:20 |
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| [yzf600] | I'm trying out os2008 he for 770 | 03:44 |
| [yzf600] | I hope this works | 03:44 |
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| Mace` | west wing cracks me up | 03:47 |
| [yzf600] | so do regular os2008 packages install on os2008he? | 03:47 |
| [yzf600] | I need to install openssh & xterm, but need to know what repository to add | 03:47 |
| jott | xterm should be preinstalled with os2008 :) | 03:49 |
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| smackpotato2 | hacker addition? | 03:50 |
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| Mace` | know what.. i always wondered | 03:55 |
| Mace` | why did they get rid of the tabs in os2008? :) | 03:55 |
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| [yzf600] | ma-mo | 04:19 |
| [yzf600] | for me | 04:19 |
| [yzf600] | or rather may-mo | 04:19 |
| [yzf600] | but I'm probably wrong | 04:19 |
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| trev0r | is there a mail program that can connect to hotmail | 04:24 |
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| mranostay | anyone here ever built maemo with OE? | 04:28 |
| meuserj | I've always pronounced it may-mo as well, but one of my friends who just bought a n810 was pronouncing it mee-mo.. and another friend (who also just bought one) corrected her and pronounced it mah-mo.. I was just wondering what the consensus was | 04:29 |
| trev0r | maymo | 04:30 |
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| aspect | aptitude install scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 ; <-- correct? ;-) | 04:33 |
| mranostay | aspect: Openembedded build system | 04:35 |
| aspect | I know what it is, just hoping that's the correct package (and only one?) I need to install on debian | 04:36 |
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| Mace` | anybody here know what would be considered a goaddy "class 2" cert? | 05:51 |
| Mace` | is that just a deluxe cert from goaddy? | 05:52 |
| rm_you | Mace`: well, in os2007 xterm was via maemo-hackers, so it was very nice. the default os2008 xterm is not the same version, but if you install the maemo-hackers xterm in os2008, it has tabs again, as well as improving ctrl-function support (and other bits) | 06:01 |
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| GAN800 | Diablo xterm has tabs. | 06:03 |
| GAN800 | Actually, the Diablo xterm is pretty much up to the maemo-hackers one as far as thingszgo. | 06:04 |
| rm_you | does it? eh | 06:04 |
| rm_you | oh, GAN, you seen latest download numbers? O_o | 06:04 |
| rm_you | it doubled a couple more times | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | 20k's? | 06:05 |
| rm_you | 24k almost o_O | 06:05 |
| GAN800 | Yeesj | 06:05 |
| GAN800 | s/j/h/ | 06:05 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Yeesh | 06:05 |
| rm_you | i almost had a heart attack, lol | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | #2 | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 06:08 |
| rm_you | yeah | 06:08 |
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| rm_you | if we release an update we would jump to #1 prolly, lol | 06:08 |
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| rm_you | so, whenever we do the control panel thing | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for that. | 06:09 |
| rm_you | yeah | 06:09 |
| rm_you | we need more mockups | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get back to my rig end of this month | 06:10 |
| rm_you | need to decide what to remove from the default control panels | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can power some out then. | 06:10 |
| rm_you | and what to move/add | 06:10 |
| rm_you | k | 06:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I think my mockup for the schedule is "good enough" if you want to start work on that. | 06:15 |
| rm_you | yeah | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which begins with figuring out alarmd, I suppose. | 06:15 |
| rm_you | yeah | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should probably go to bed | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been on airplanes all day long | 06:16 |
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| * GeneralAntilles lights the fuse on the next "please search/u guyz r assholes" thread. | 06:37 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles facepalms. http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28 | 07:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna have to block that site at the firewall before I lose my mind. | 07:26 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 07:36 |
| RST38h | GA: ITT was not enough? | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't even want to talk about it. | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm so bored with that BS. | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | krisse can have fun answering all the same questions a hundred million times. | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine by me. | 07:37 |
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| RST38h | Heh, Ohio is dying out | 08:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:13 |
| qwerty12 | Hi Khertan_n810 | 09:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is no cron on the tablet ? | 09:14 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, tell me reading tabletscene doesn't make you want to kill yourself. | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, where have you been for the last two years? :P | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | alarmd | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | you read tabletscene ? | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | or grab a cron package from somewhere. | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, It does. Krisse pisses me off too. Just because he's scared of the command line, shouldn't mean it's a taboo subject. | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | A little this evening | 09:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan > hum ... | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | Made me throw up a little in my mouth | 09:16 |
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| GAN800 | Eh, krisse's alright. He's good at what he does and is pleasant to talk to. | 09:16 |
| GAN800 | But he has some funny ideas about newbie stuff. | 09:17 |
| qwerty12 | I honestly like him, a good person, just the command line stuff gets to me. | 09:17 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 09:17 |
| qwerty12 | Although that siralien guy is totally deluded. Read his intro... | 09:18 |
| Mikho | who's krisse? | 09:18 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, I hit the 'MAC' (shudder) topic and about died. | 09:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | is this the one wich polst on tabletshol ? | 09:18 |
| GAN800 | Couldn't get any farther. | 09:18 |
| GAN800 | Yes, Khertan | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | To be honest, there's nothing appealing about tabletscene imho | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | About the best newb-friendly explainer I've ever encountered. | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i doesn t accept any comment on tabletschool | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | He does | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | He just moderates them | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | and has a bit of a backlog | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | Hit him up with a pm on itT if you need to contect him about an article. | 09:20 |
| GAN800 | He's really fast and responsive about making ammendments and such | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | i thinking of making an autosync for mcalendar ... does should i use alarmd or an init script to network ? | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | I like tabletschool, I've been on there a few times, you can tell he really puts effort and time into the articles with the youtube video complementing them and such. | 09:21 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, I'd say alarmd, but be careful how you approach it. I know fiferboy has had problems with alarmd. | 09:21 |
| GAN800 | Look at how Modest does it, maybe? | 09:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan > it s a joke ? | 09:22 |
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| Mace` | wow.. i really hate gentoo now | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, alarmd isn't in the build depends for modest | 09:23 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, no, seems like automated email checking is fairly similar | 09:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum maybe should i make a more osso approach | 09:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | by making a permanent daemon | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 09:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:25 |
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| qwerty12 | I did a quick grep in modest for alarm: http://pastebin.com/m2d3da15b | 09:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m joking of course | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | I know, but if you want to use alarmd... | 09:27 |
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| moontiger | hey khertan :) | 09:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi moontiger | 09:29 |
| moontiger | seems like the python-hildondesktop bindings aren't being written any time soon | 09:29 |
| moontiger | so i was thinking about some work arounds for mcalendar | 09:29 |
| moontiger | :) | 09:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? hildondesktop ? | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | python-hildondesktop bindings are already in diablo extras | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/p/python-hildondesktop/ | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | what the problem with the binding ? | 09:30 |
| moontiger | he reason you can't do settings menu from python desktop applets is the bindings to the underlying c libs arent there yet | 09:30 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmmm | 09:30 |
| moontiger | i was reading today that they arent usable yet | 09:31 |
| qwerty12 | Source is also available : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/ | 09:31 |
| qwerty12 | They should be | 09:31 |
| * moontiger goes off to read more ... brb | 09:31 | |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:32 |
| moontiger | wow ok ... well that sorts that out then ... thats where the settings menu stuff is to be found i believe | 09:32 |
| moontiger | heh so i'll go find that stuff out then :) | 09:33 |
| moontiger | but anyways.......... | 09:33 |
| moontiger | i was thinking that since homecalendar is useless without mcalendar... | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes setting binding seems not here | 09:34 |
| moontiger | why not put settings for homecalendar in mcalendar settings stuff? | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | homecalender work well :) | 09:34 |
| moontiger | yes it does ... but it is totally dependent on mcalendar no? | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum yes why not | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes it depends on mcalendar | 09:35 |
| moontiger | please forgive me ... i was not saying homecalendar is useless ... i meant it totally depends on mcalendar | 09:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve understand :) | 09:35 |
| moontiger | so putting homecalendar settings in mcalendar would make sense and solve the problem for now at least no? | 09:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes ... but i ll prefer having seperate ui for setting | 09:37 |
| moontiger | really? hmmmmm ok | 09:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s not a problem | 09:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | alarmd_internal_error ... gurk ! | 09:39 |
| * moontiger is reading... | 09:39 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | ouch it could be strike at airfrance in september ! | 09:46 |
| XTLi | Hmm | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | Is SFTP preferred over scp? | 09:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | why does i ve booking on this stupid french compagny | 09:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | pffff | 09:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > hum ... i personnaly prefer scp :) | 09:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | depend what you want to do | 09:50 |
| XTLi | Unless by sftp you somehow mean ftp with ssl | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I'm not bothered about interface and commands, I'm using winscp, it just looks like that scp isn't as good because winscp says allow scp fallback when choosing to connect using sftp :/ | 09:51 |
| Macer | i never saw superman returns | 09:52 |
| * Macer hopes it doesn't suck | 09:52 | |
| Stskeeps | it was .. okay, the ending was a bit weak :P | 09:52 |
| XTLi | I thinkn that means it can't keep the connection open with "scp" | 09:52 |
| XTLi | I expected SR to be worse | 09:53 |
| Macer | heh | 09:53 |
| Macer | that damn lex luthor | 09:53 |
| XTLi | A real rascal | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda liked the animation, superman: doomsday, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0934706/ | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | it felt better with the magazines i read as a youngin' :P | 09:54 |
| Macer | kevin spacey is lex luthor? that's awesome! | 09:54 |
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| tigert | hrm | 09:57 |
| tigert | morning | 09:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi tigert | 09:59 |
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| trickie|work | morning | 10:02 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi trickie and aquatix | 10:04 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: latest mcalendar works a lot better :) | 10:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:06 |
| aquatix | whole-day still has time stamps though | 10:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | a new version 0.3.3 is in autobuilder queue at this time :) | 10:06 |
| aquatix | cool | 10:06 |
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| aquatix | any interesting changes? | 10:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | but timestamp not fixed yet | 10:07 |
| aquatix | ok, no hurry :) | 10:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | sync error ... and more slow sync fix | 10:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | to avoid 104 error 'reset by peer' | 10:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:07 |
| aquatix | sounds good :) | 10:08 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i still get some 400 error | 10:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t know why | 10:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | sometimes | 10:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | not everytimes | 10:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe error due to 3g connection | 10:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | but not sure | 10:12 |
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| Macer | haha | 10:13 |
| Macer | one of the dogs ate the other one | 10:13 |
| Macer | that's rough | 10:13 |
| aquatix | ? | 10:14 |
| Macer | in superman returns | 10:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | the film is so interesting that you talk on irc ? | 10:15 |
| XTLi | That's the world out there | 10:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/film/movie | 10:15 |
| trickie|work | Khertan: film was correct also | 10:16 |
| XTLi | There's nothing that can't be improved by including irc | 10:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | never see it ... | 10:17 |
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| lbt | g'morning | 10:39 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:41 |
| hrw | time to finally book some hotel for summit | 10:42 |
| trickie|work | morning | 10:44 |
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| Khertan | re | 10:46 |
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| Khertan | hrw > where do you book ? | 10:46 |
| hrw | Khertan: not decided yet | 10:46 |
| hrw | I need one night Friday/Saturday only | 10:46 |
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| Khertan | hrw > there is generator hotel which is 'cheap' | 10:47 |
| hrw | hostel? | 10:48 |
| Khertan | hostel :) | 10:48 |
| Khertan | i always forgot the 's' | 10:48 |
| Khertan | http://www.generatorhostels.com/Berlin/ | 10:49 |
| hrw | I am on that site | 10:49 |
| Khertan | http://maps.google.fr/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=generator&near=Berlin,+Allemagne&fb=1&cid=0,0,9864521125646164502&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image | 10:49 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:49 |
| * Khertan is thinking to make is own maemo theme | 10:50 | |
| moontiger | hey khertan ... when im testing stuff in the sbox thingy how come i cant get a net connection? | 10:51 |
| moontiger | ?? | 10:51 |
| hrw | 56 eur for single.. quite nice | 10:51 |
| Khertan | yep | 10:53 |
| trickie|work | moontiger: is it no connection or no dns? | 10:53 |
| moontiger | name resolution | 10:53 |
| trickie|work | IIRC you need to set a dns server in /etc/resolv.conf | 10:53 |
| moontiger | in the sbox env? | 10:54 |
| trickie|work | yeah | 10:54 |
| moontiger | cool thnx :) | 10:54 |
| trickie|work | but its been a while since i used sbox... but try it out | 10:54 |
| trickie|work | np | 10:54 |
| XTLi | Using a proxy Just Worked for me | 10:54 |
| Khertan | moontiger > can you ping a url and can you ping an ip ? | 10:56 |
| moontiger | that fixed it ... set up a nameserver and now my lil thingy is talking to google calendar from sbox :) | 10:56 |
| XTLi | Ah, that. Neat :) | 10:57 |
| moontiger | you dont use sbox either trickie? | 10:57 |
| Khertan | Fix the /etc/resolv.conf file inside scratchbox. | 10:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:57 |
| moontiger | thnx khertan ... got it :) | 10:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:57 |
| moontiger | to make a homescreen applet actually show up i have to package it and all that right? | 10:58 |
| Khertan | you ll now see how it s funny to get connection reset by peer error in gdata ;) | 10:58 |
| Khertan | moontiger > show up ? in application manager ? | 10:58 |
| Khertan | or in the list ? | 10:59 |
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| moontiger | khertan ... on the desktop ... so i guess in the list | 10:59 |
| trickie|work | moontiger: nope | 10:59 |
| trickie|work | i don't really do much dev for maemo... mainly mamona | 10:59 |
| trickie|work | using OE | 11:00 |
| moontiger | ahhhh ive seen about mamona ... thats an alternate os for the n8x0 yes? | 11:00 |
| trickie|work | yeah | 11:00 |
| trickie|work | version 0.2 is beta now... | 11:00 |
| moontiger | looks way cool ... will it produce something usable at some point? | 11:01 |
| trickie|work | yes, i use it on my n800 now | 11:01 |
| moontiger | really? wow cool | 11:01 |
| Khertan | moontiger > you need to add a .desktop in /usr/share/hildon-home/ | 11:01 |
| trickie|work | 0.2 should have - virtual keyboard, midori and firefox and network manager, full emulation with qemu for the sdk | 11:01 |
| Khertan | take a look at one i ve made for my home applet | 11:02 |
| trickie|work | and a few other bits and pieces | 11:02 |
| moontiger | will do thnx :) | 11:02 |
| trickie|work | moontiger: http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ if you are interested, or #mamona | 11:02 |
| moontiger | trickie ... how does one install it? | 11:02 |
| moontiger | ok | 11:02 |
| trickie|work | well once the beta images are ready you can flash a rootfs, or they are even going to create FIASCO images | 11:03 |
| Khertan | trickie > what is the differences between mamona and maemo ? | 11:03 |
| trickie|work | i just install to sdcard and dual boot with maemo | 11:03 |
| trickie|work | Khertan: well mamona uses OE as a build system, and the desktop env is based on enlightenment/efl | 11:03 |
| trickie|work | a way more up to date toolchain | 11:04 |
| trickie|work | and hopefully, bit by bit a replacement for some of the non-free bits of maemo | 11:04 |
| Khertan | hehe | 11:04 |
| moontiger | yah that would be nice | 11:04 |
| qwerty12 | trickie|work, nice, hit them where it hurts, in their non-free stuff! | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 11:05 |
| trickie|work | he he | 11:05 |
| moontiger | i bookmarked it thnx ... im cramming a bunch of new dev stuff into my head so i need a little while before i get more to digest | 11:05 |
| trickie|work | moontiger: for sure... | 11:05 |
| trickie|work | i know how that feels :) | 11:05 |
| moontiger | sheesh! | 11:05 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ll take a look ... | 11:06 |
| moontiger | ive been doing a lot of ph web stuff lately and before that c/c++ on 'doze | 11:06 |
| moontiger | need to realign to gtk / python | 11:06 |
| trickie|work | or elf/python :) | 11:06 |
| trickie|work | efl/python sorry | 11:06 |
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| moontiger | hmmmmmm efl is the enlightenment thingy right? | 11:07 |
| trickie|work | yep, core libs that e is built with | 11:07 |
| moontiger | right | 11:07 |
| trickie|work | quite a bit of stuff actually | 11:07 |
| trickie|work | but there are python bindings for some of them also | 11:07 |
| trickie|work | quyite easy to play with | 11:07 |
| moontiger | going back to straight C for maemo work is a bit of a culture shock i must say | 11:07 |
| trickie|work | s/quyite/quite | 11:08 |
| moontiger | im liking python a lot | 11:08 |
| Khertan | quyite ? | 11:09 |
| hrw | argh.. | 11:10 |
| Khertan | ah ... | 11:10 |
| hrw | someone should kick asses of google maps webteam | 11:10 |
| Khertan | i think it was a name of a lib | 11:10 |
| Khertan | hrw > lol ... | 11:10 |
| Khertan | personnaly i don't like using efl to make ui ... specially edje | 11:11 |
| Khertan | it s a real pain to make something | 11:11 |
| trickie|work | Khertan: he he, nah im just still waking up :) | 11:11 |
| moontiger | khertan ... im wondering if the timeouts are in the client libs or on the actual servers for the gdata stuff? | 11:11 |
| Khertan | moontiger > don't know ... | 11:11 |
| moontiger | for gdata stuff in C im having to write a lib to do the comms using curl and xml2 | 11:12 |
| moontiger | so i guess i'll find out | 11:12 |
| Khertan | with a max_result = 3 i sometimes get reset by peer error on my 3G connection | 11:12 |
| moontiger | really?? | 11:12 |
| Khertan | yes | 11:12 |
| hrw | Khertan: since last update it became very sluggish and they removed some features | 11:12 |
| moontiger | thats really quite sad | 11:12 |
| Khertan | hrw > on efl or gdata ? | 11:13 |
| Khertan | moontiger > but no problem with an adsl connection | 11:13 |
| Khertan | hrw > and with edje it s really hard to design a gui, as no real editor exist | 11:14 |
| moontiger | hmmmmm might well be the 3g ... were you moving or stationary? | 11:14 |
| Khertan | same results when stationary | 11:14 |
| moontiger | hmmmmm | 11:14 |
| moontiger | what fone do you have? | 11:14 |
| Khertan | an 6630 | 11:15 |
| moontiger | so app -> bluetooth -> 3g -> google | 11:15 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:16 |
| moontiger | have u tried it using edge instead of 3g? | 11:16 |
| Khertan | yep ... same thing | 11:17 |
| hrw | Khertan: gmaps | 11:17 |
| moontiger | i know that when my n810 could talk via my phone i didnt get many drop-outs at all | 11:18 |
| moontiger | which reminds me ... i wish they would HURRY UP and fix the bluetooth PAN thingy | 11:18 |
| moontiger | doh! | 11:18 |
| wiza | umm, is development of canola and/or carman stopped? | 11:19 |
| wiza | nothing new in months... | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | Technically, Bluetooth PAN is fine. It's Nokia's fault icd2 isn't. | 11:19 |
| Khertan | hrw > i always laught when i see that on the map of my town there isn't the house of my neightboor ... 7 year's old | 11:19 |
| moontiger | yah the icd2 thingy | 11:20 |
| moontiger | *really* annoying | 11:20 |
| Khertan | hum ... with a max_result=2 this work | 11:20 |
| trickie|work | wiza: i don't think it has stopped... maybe ask in #canola | 11:21 |
| moontiger | hmmm... when i get icd2 updated i must try my (cr)app and see what happens | 11:21 |
| wiza | trickie|work: no hurry yet, when I finally get new stereo and amps etc to my car I'm planning to use canola as my media player | 11:22 |
| trickie|work | wiza: cool | 11:22 |
| wiza | good thing being that I can hear GPS over the music | 11:22 |
| * aquatix uses the default mediaplayer in his car :) | 11:22 | |
| aquatix | default maemo one | 11:22 |
| aquatix | wiza: you have wayfinder? | 11:23 |
| moontiger | i have wayfinder | 11:23 |
| wiza | I'd hate to miss speed camera because I'm listening to music too loud | 11:23 |
| aquatix | :D | 11:23 |
| wiza | aquatix: yep | 11:23 |
| wiza | motorcycle does not have plate in front so I really have trouble remembering to slow down in the fall | 11:24 |
| Khertan | lol | 11:24 |
| aquatix | *g* | 11:24 |
| aquatix | here in the netherlands most speed cams take the picture from behind | 11:24 |
| Khertan | and you place your feet on the back plate ? | 11:24 |
| wiza | someone has suggested that following speed limits would be a solution too | 11:24 |
| aquatix | wiza: nah, that's no fun ;) | 11:24 |
| wiza | no picture from behind in finland | 11:25 |
| aquatix | ah, good to know :) | 11:25 |
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| wiza | and most of the cameras don't even notice motorcycle, not 'nuff metal | 11:25 |
| * aquatix is thinking about getting his motorcycle license | 11:25 | |
| Khertan | hum ... interesting ... so audi r8 can t be caught too | 11:26 |
| wiza | but since I'm usually going from 20 to 30 over limit in highways, not noticing cameras would be very expensive | 11:26 |
| aquatix | Khertan: lol | 11:26 |
| Khertan | carbon ... :) | 11:26 |
| wiza | and I would loose my license too, which would suck | 11:26 |
| wiza | Khertan: well there is the engine... | 11:26 |
| Khertan | yes but under the carbon ... | 11:26 |
| wiza | Khertan: bike is only 200 kg so | 11:26 |
| wiza | Khertan: and magnets care about the carbon? :D | 11:27 |
| Mace` | wow.. gentoo has 133 pkgs to rebuild because i updated python | 11:28 |
| Khertan | hum 1500 kg for the r8 :) | 11:28 |
| aquatix | Khertan: that's 600 kg more than my surely photographable opel astra ;) | 11:29 |
| Khertan | yes and 600 more that my peogeot 306 | 11:29 |
| aquatix | yeah, same class of car | 11:29 |
| Khertan | hum no 500 | 11:29 |
| hrw | someone has a problem with GarnetVM? I cant install/run anything from it | 11:29 |
| Khertan | aquatix > i don't think ... mine is special series :) | 11:29 |
| aquatix | well, was talking about the size :) | 11:30 |
| aquatix | Khertan: special edition or something? | 11:30 |
| Khertan | ah yes size is the same ... | 11:31 |
| aquatix | 306 is newer than my almost 11 year old astra though ;) | 11:31 |
| Khertan | the old astra was really robust cars ... my brother use it up to 250 000km before he burn all the electronic | 11:32 |
| aquatix | yeah, i'm happy with it | 11:32 |
| Khertan | using it always in red zone ... | 11:32 |
| aquatix | heheh | 11:33 |
| Khertan | specially when engine is cold | 11:33 |
| * aquatix has 90k km to go then ;) | 11:33 | |
| * qwerty12 has no idea why Opel cars are marketed as Vauxhall cars | 11:34 | |
| aquatix | it's neat how the thing still does 16km to the liter of gas | 11:34 |
| Khertan | my 306 have 167 ch :) | 11:34 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: something to do with it being german | 11:34 |
| aquatix | or something :) | 11:34 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > Vauxhall ? | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, Ah right :) | 11:34 |
| aquatix | Khertan: opel cars are sold as Vauxhall in the UK | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, UK name for Opel | 11:34 |
| inz | Khertan, only 250 000 km, that's still brand new | 11:34 |
| aquatix | inz: ;) | 11:34 |
| Khertan | inz > not really when users is still in 4th at 130km/h | 11:35 |
| Khertan | i ve forgotten ... not maintain was made since he have it ... so since 100000km | 11:36 |
| aquatix | ouch | 11:36 |
| moontiger | khertan ... got the applet showing up thnx ... i presume the .deb installs the files in the right place when its released | 11:36 |
| Khertan | with the same oil for 100 000km kill an engine | 11:36 |
| Khertan | moontiger > yep | 11:36 |
| moontiger | ok thnx ... you rock :) | 11:37 |
| aquatix | Khertan: your brother didn't want to spend money on it? ;) | 11:37 |
| moontiger | must get some sleep now its really late ... bbl | 11:37 |
| aquatix | moontiger: nn | 11:37 |
| moontiger | :) | 11:37 |
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| Khertan | ouch there is so many things to change in a theme ... | 11:39 |
| hrw | qwerty12: in Australia they are named Holden | 11:43 |
| Mace` | ugh.. damn govt.. they didn't file my travel claim because the paperwork wound up in govt limbo | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, heh, sounds even worse imo :P | 11:45 |
| Mace` | so now i'm probably going to have to wait another 3 weeks for my $3K | 11:45 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: which opel you use? | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, it's called Vauxhall here in the UK | 11:47 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I know | 11:48 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, which one do I have, I don't have a car :P :) | 11:48 |
| * hrw wants Metro application for maemo | 11:48 | |
| hrw | qwerty12: how many years until you can make driver license? | 11:48 |
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| hrw | each time when I go to Berlin I need: Maemo mapper (to not get lost), GPE calendar (to keep event schedule), Garnet VM (to run Metro) | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, You have to be 16 to apply for a provisional drivers license so you can take driving lessons. After you pass, you can apply for the full thing. | 11:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, Metro is great. Never had any use for it but it ran well on PPC :) | 11:50 |
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| Khertan | i know one of metro dev | 11:52 |
| hrw | qwerty12: it is useful when you go to other city and do not want to get lost there | 11:52 |
| Khertan | they don't give me the right to use their db | 11:52 |
| hrw | Khertan: ask him for gtk2 version? | 11:52 |
| Khertan | he don't want to make a gtk2 version at this time | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Read http://nanika.net/Metro/MetroO-en.html :( | 11:53 |
| liri | is there a considerable difference when adding a swap space on the flash in terms of performance? | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | When you say flash, I assume you mean the internal 2gb? | 11:53 |
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| liri | yeah, same thing isn't it? | 11:54 |
| hrw | no | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Well, dunno about most people, I take flash to be the 256MB | 11:54 |
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| liri | well, if the root partition is moved to the 2gb then the internal 256mb flash can be used as swap or the other way is to use the 2gb partition for both the root partition and the flash. | 11:55 |
| liri | is there any difference? | 11:55 |
| hrw | liri: internal 2gb is sd card | 11:55 |
| hrw | shit.. Metro do not have usable data for London ;( | 11:56 |
| lbt | which has the fastest access times? | 11:56 |
| hrw | only London nightbus or London tourist ;( | 11:56 |
| liri | hrw: right | 11:56 |
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| aquatix | Khertan: i asked the Metro devvers whether i could help with their uiq3/symbian port, but they wheren't interested | 11:57 |
| liri | I join lbt when asking, which has faster access times? I'm assuming the 256mb flash does | 11:57 |
| hrw | liri: you can try fastMMC kernel and then sd would be faster I think | 11:57 |
| lbt | bleh: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Hardware_%26_Peripherals | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | liri, not really. the flash uses jffs2 file system. jffs2 is compressed. | 11:57 |
| liri | ok so, back to the original question - is adding swap actually improves performance? | 11:58 |
| lbt | qwerty12: yes but | 11:58 |
| lbt | that's a choice of overlay | 11:58 |
| lbt | jffs2 on mmc is slower than ext on mmc | 11:58 |
| lbt | (isn't it?) | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | jffs2 isn't meant for non-flash devices | 11:58 |
| aquatix | mmc is flash i'd say? | 11:59 |
| trickie|work | holden rocks | 11:59 |
| XTLi | Quite likely | 11:59 |
| lbt | oh, right - am I confused because the mmc card controller essentially does what the jffs2 algorithms do? | 12:00 |
| lbt | so the internal flash is 'raw' | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | trickie|work, you are only saying that because you are from Australia though. Come, we'll have a crash up derby, Vauxhall V Holden :P | 12:00 |
| lbt | but the mmc flash is accessed via an mmc controller chip? | 12:00 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: well in australia there are two main car manufactures (there are more but for this story lets sya two) holden and ford | 12:01 |
| * lbt can't think of 2 better makes of car to demolish | 12:01 | |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: and they say you are either a holden man or a ford man | 12:01 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: and i go for holden | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I prefer ford but that's just me :D | 12:01 |
| lbt | I used to be a ford man | 12:01 |
| aquatix | bleh, australian cars... | 12:01 |
| * aquatix runs | 12:01 | |
| lbt | but then Tata bought Jaguar :D | 12:01 |
| aquatix | they did? | 12:02 |
| aquatix | meh | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | yeah :( | 12:02 |
| aquatix | tata is taking over the world | 12:02 |
| lbt | I have a genuine Ford Jaguar! | 12:02 |
| aquatix | bought the steel company corus too | 12:02 |
| * qwerty12 is more of a German car person | 12:02 | |
| trickie|work | aquatix: you ever seen the australian v8 series stuff? cool stuff | 12:02 |
| lbt | too clinical | 12:02 |
| trickie|work | aquatix: deadly though | 12:02 |
| aquatix | [biggest industry in this part of my country] | 12:02 |
| aquatix | trickie|work: hm, i guess not | 12:03 |
| aquatix | trickie|work: that's racing? | 12:03 |
| trickie|work | aquatix: yep, kind of nascar for australians, but way for cool :) | 12:03 |
| aquatix | or the engine class? :) | 12:03 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:03 |
| aquatix | sounds interesting :) | 12:03 |
| XTLi | Monoculture races suck. It's only people woorship | 12:03 |
| * aquatix prefers the highway | 12:04 | |
| XTLi | Machines are more interesting | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, yeah, although we call them motorway :D | 12:05 |
| lardman|gone | ~lart Windows because everything is shareware | 12:05 |
| * infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Windows because everything is shareware is stuck to the floor | 12:05 | |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: we call them snelweg ;) | 12:05 |
| aquatix | i guess that directly translates to `fast way' | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 12:06 |
| qwerty12 | wtf is a "hot clue gun" | 12:06 |
| aquatix | lol | 12:06 |
| aquatix | family of the cluebat | 12:06 |
| lardman | qwerty12: a painful way for users to get a clue | 12:06 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:07 |
| lardman | qwerty12: s/clue/glue | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | yep, realised that one :) | 12:07 |
| XTLi | I could use one | 12:07 |
| lardman | well, the youth of today, all playstations, never have to use tools and all that ;) | 12:07 |
| aquatix | feh, playstations... | 12:08 |
| XTLi | They run GT and GTA | 12:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I don't have a playstation. :P. I only have a softmodded xbox :/ | 12:08 |
| * aquatix has a non-modded Wii | 12:09 | |
| * lardman has a PC | 12:09 | |
| aquatix | of course with mario kart ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | lardman: i can tell you, the Wii is quite fun | 12:09 |
| XTLi | Ah, one of those things that show error messages in supermarkets? | 12:09 |
| aquatix | my first own console | 12:09 |
| aquatix | XTLi: no, those are windows terminals | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | When softmodding the XBOX, I'm pretty sure my life expectancy went down after breathing in a lot of dust from my old computer. | 12:09 |
| lardman | aquatix: yep, I've played on one, but.... I think I should go outside and play tennis/fight with swords, etc. ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | lardman: fair enough :) | 12:10 |
| XTLi | Mmm.. Swords | 12:10 |
| lardman | I am being pestered to get one though | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | Give in to the force | 12:10 |
| aquatix | things like mario kart, super mario galaxy [adventure], zelda and collective games like mario party are quite fun | 12:10 |
| aquatix | hell, we even have wii fit with that balance board | 12:11 |
| aquatix | yoga at home :) | 12:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I might have to when TFU comes out in Sept | 12:11 |
| qwerty12 | Nice :) . Just don't go abandoning us for the wii modding community :P | 12:12 |
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| lardman | right, time to uninstall Xchat, it's rubbish, doesn't like copy&paste | 12:12 |
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| qwerty12 | You have to highlight text to copy :( | 12:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't like that but I much prefer X-Chat to Mirc | 12:13 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Windows version | 12:13 |
| * aquatix prefers irssi | 12:13 | |
| aquatix | hydraIRC seems to be decent too | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, same, I'm chatting on the windows version right now :) | 12:14 |
| lardman | It just won't work any more, even if I right click on highlighted text and select copy, it will only do it within the program | 12:14 |
| lardman | ah ok, back to virc for me | 12:14 |
| aquatix | lardman: hydrairc might be interesting to look at when you use windows | 12:15 |
| aquatix | but virc looks nice too | 12:15 |
| * timely used to use virc | 12:16 | |
| lardman | just needs to do the job and I've used virc before, but thanks for the suggestions | 12:16 |
| timely | (now i just use ssh+screen+epic) | 12:16 |
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| XTLi | Mm.. Epic. Spent time with those in mid 90's | 12:17 |
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| timeless | hey, i'm looking for suggestions about common ways to break microb | 12:34 |
| aquatix | Khertan: i made an appointment with weekly repeats on my n810 | 12:34 |
| aquatix | and now it gives an error on sync: | 12:34 |
| timeless | anyone have suggestions? | 12:34 |
| aquatix | local var `reccurence_data' referenced before assignment | 12:35 |
| timeless | the obvious ones are disabling flash, javascript, enabling fit width to view, and changing your bookmarks owner to root | 12:35 |
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| lardman | anyone know of a decent explanation of how to use DMA? | 12:37 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless, Using the maemo integration's team services applet to reenable browserd after accidently disabling it | 12:38 |
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| trickie|work | lardman: http://lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch15.pdf ? | 12:55 |
| RST38h | qwerrrty | 12:55 |
| RST38h | larrrdman | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | RST38hhhhh! | 12:56 |
| RST38h | timeless: breaking microb is easy | 12:56 |
| RST38h | timeless: pretty much any livejournal page | 12:56 |
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| LuCk1 | hi all | 13:10 |
| LuCk1 | did any one port the revelation password manager to maemo? | 13:10 |
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| Khertan | aquatix > ? | 13:20 |
| Khertan | still here ? | 13:20 |
| aquatix | yeah | 13:20 |
| Khertan | so you have made a reccuring and it make now an error in sync ? | 13:20 |
| aquatix | yeah | 13:20 |
| Khertan | which version ? | 13:21 |
| aquatix | i closed and reopened mcal | 13:21 |
| Khertan | what is the error ? | 13:21 |
| aquatix | latest, 0.3.4 iirc | 13:21 |
| aquatix | what i said | 13:21 |
| aquatix | after restarting the app, i get a http 400 error | 13:21 |
| Khertan | hum .... | 13:21 |
| Khertan | this is the error i'm tracking ... i can't reproduce it each time | 13:22 |
| lardman | trickie|work: Thanks I'll have a look | 13:22 |
| Khertan | and if you sync it now ? | 13:22 |
| Khertan | never believe that doc is true ... | 13:22 |
| aquatix | now i get the message "local variable 'reccurrence_data' referenced before assignment" again | 13:23 |
| aquatix | with one r btw | 13:23 |
| aquatix | reccurence_data | 13:23 |
| aquatix | maybe a typo? | 13:23 |
| Khertan | lol ... | 13:26 |
| Khertan | hum ... could find it ... | 13:28 |
| Khertan | could you launch it from xterm ? | 13:28 |
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| Khertan | so i could see the line error | 13:28 |
| aquatix | ok, sec... | 13:28 |
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| Khertan | hop ... i ve found | 13:29 |
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| Khertan | a 'c' in reccurence is lacking in the assignement some line before ... | 13:29 |
| aquatix | now i get a 400 error | 13:29 |
| aquatix | invalid request uri, bad request | 13:29 |
| aquatix | on line 380, in UpdateEvent | 13:30 |
| aquatix | in service.py | 13:30 |
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| Khertan | yep ... i don't understand this error ... | 13:32 |
| Khertan | sometime it work ... sometime not | 13:32 |
| aquatix | maybe there's a restriction on how many posts you can do per second or something/ | 13:33 |
| aquatix | ? | 13:33 |
| Khertan | no ... don't think | 13:34 |
| Khertan | but i m not the only one which have this problem | 13:34 |
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| Khertan | a new version is in the autobuilder queue :) | 13:35 |
| Khertan | for 'reccurence_data' 'recurrence_data' :) | 13:36 |
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| aquatix | ;) | 13:39 |
| samppa | does maemo extras-devel repository allow to upload new version of package with the same version number as the existing version in repo ? | 13:39 |
| * aquatix is glad to be of help | 13:39 | |
| aquatix | samppa: seems so | 13:39 |
| samppa | for example if there is only change in the dependencies | 13:39 |
| samppa | aquatix: ok, thanx | 13:40 |
| aquatix | but that's based on my experience with packages with same version showing up after adding that repository :) | 13:40 |
| aquatix | but why not add up the number behind the - ? | 13:40 |
| samppa | yeah that will do it | 13:41 |
| aquatix | so 1.2.3-2 | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | 6 | 13:41 |
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| qwerty12 | *^ | 13:41 |
| samppa | :) | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | Adding +1 to the version numbers means users of the existing package will recieve the update :) | 13:41 |
| aquatix | yeah | 13:41 |
| samppa | i dont care about extras-devel users :) | 13:41 |
| aquatix | is that not what you want? | 13:42 |
| samppa | hmm yes, im just testing | 13:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | aquatix > what do u think of the change on the ui ? | 13:45 |
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| aquatix | Khertan_n810: with 0.3.4? | 13:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 13:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | some minor changes | 13:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | i know | 13:47 |
| aquatix | in the appointment detail form? | 13:48 |
| hrw | samppa: it should be bumped if deps changed | 13:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 13:48 |
| hrw | if *anything* in package change then version *needs* to be bumped | 13:48 |
| hrw | ALWAYS | 13:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hrw > yep | 13:49 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: it's good | 13:49 |
| aquatix | looks intuitive enough for me :) | 13:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | great | 13:49 |
| hrw | otherwise maintainer needs to be kicked | 13:49 |
| aquatix | hrw: :) | 13:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | in a next version click on date on main view should display calendar | 13:50 |
| chelli | hrw: i strongly agree! ;-) | 13:51 |
| mikkov_ | is bzip2 still borked? | 13:51 |
| hrw | ok, time to get info how to run Metro directly... | 13:51 |
| aquatix | mikkov_: seems so | 13:52 |
| aquatix | hrw: they have a site too | 13:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | 0.3.5 available in extras devel | 13:52 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: cool | 13:52 |
| hrw | aquatix: ? | 13:52 |
| aquatix | hrw: Metro has a web frontend too | 13:52 |
| hrw | aquatix: I do not use online services with n810 | 13:53 |
| aquatix | http://nanika.net/Metro/iMetro-en.html | 13:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll see if patrice is interestted if i made a gtk2 version of metro | 13:53 |
| aquatix | ah, ok | 13:53 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: any idea what kind of problems they have with uiq3? | 13:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | no sorry aquatix | 13:54 |
| aquatix | np | 13:54 |
| aquatix | i have gprs on my phone anyway | 13:54 |
| aquatix | not that that helps me in other countries | 13:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | hrw, you don't go online with your n810 ? | 13:58 |
| hrw | crashanddie: only on wifi | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | ah, ok, you scared me for a second | 13:59 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:59 |
| * aquatix demands free wifi in public transports | 13:59 | |
| crashanddie | aquatix, it would be nice, but quite complicated actually | 13:59 |
| AStorm | yup | 14:00 |
| AStorm | go HSDPA | 14:00 |
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| * aquatix has gprs/throttled umts | 14:00 | |
| crashanddie | aquatix, you're better off asking for free wimax in big cities :P | 14:00 |
| aquatix | heh, true | 14:00 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: it'd be ubercrowded | 14:00 |
| aquatix | but i'm generally using public transports to go *to* those cities | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, more than wifi on public transport ? | 14:01 |
| AStorm | that's how it is with such services | 14:01 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: yes | 14:01 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: that's per bus/metro/train | 14:01 |
| aquatix | even cabin | 14:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve asked again for metro to the dev ... and offer him to dev a gtk version in python | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | so you request a way for the trains to be covered by internet, even though they have to go through tunnels, and move at high speed ? | 14:02 |
| AStorm | pity network through cellphone is expensive here | 14:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, ++ | 14:02 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: simple, install just two transmitters in a long tunnel | 14:02 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: wifi hotspot in train, hsdpa uplink or something? | 14:02 |
| AStorm | yes, that | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, that would be frigging expensive | 14:03 |
| AStorm | or radio uplink, CDMA | 14:03 |
| aquatix | or some uplink thing at the side of the railway | 14:03 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: why? | 14:03 |
| Khertan | re | 14:03 |
| AStorm | the problem would be upping all the cells to HSDPA | 14:03 |
| aquatix | one or two flat-fee hsdpa uplinks, some wifi AP's en a kilometer of utp | 14:04 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > this work on the line 13 in paris | 14:04 |
| aquatix | ah | 14:04 |
| AStorm | while CDMA needs a fairly cheap antenna | 14:04 |
| aquatix | no CDMA here ;) | 14:04 |
| Khertan | i stay connected while i'm in the metro | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, yeah, and they're about to shut it off because of the expenses | 14:04 |
| Khertan | samething for line 14 | 14:04 |
| AStorm | aquatix: this radio uplink has huge range | 14:04 |
| Khertan | line 1, 2 , 4, 5 | 14:04 |
| AStorm | much like wimax | 14:05 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie > are u sure ? | 14:05 |
| aquatix | i have really good gsm/gprs coverage in metro in amsterdam | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, aye | 14:05 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > it s just a 3G | 14:05 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > ? | 14:05 |
| AStorm | UMTS is 3G | 14:05 |
| Khertan | not 3G+ but work well | 14:05 |
| AStorm | HSDPA is 3.5G | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, they're currently negotiating new prices, but at the moment, there's too much bandwidth usage for the deals they had | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, if they can't get better deals, they'll shut it off, and wait for wimax | 14:06 |
| aquatix | AStorm: yeah, but hsdpa are `minor' upgrades to umts | 14:06 |
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| AStorm | aquatix: wrong | 14:06 |
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| AStorm | it's a huge update | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | How fast is the current uplink for HSDPA at the moment ? | 14:07 |
| aquatix | Khertan: ah, now it synchs fine | 14:07 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:07 |
| Khertan | and sync work with gprs too :) | 14:07 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: depends on the version, some 1 Mbit in the best? | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | ok | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | so you have 1Mbit uplink | 14:07 |
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| aquatix | and about 3.2MBit down | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | say you have 50 users, that's 2kB/s upload per user | 14:08 |
| AStorm | and 7,6M downlink :> | 14:08 |
| AStorm | aquatix: wrong version :> | 14:08 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i was being realistic ;) | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | and I doubt you'll only have 50 users on a train | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | It's just going to be flooded 24/7 | 14:09 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: well, at least it's used then | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | They'll need multiple uplinks, there's going to be abuse | 14:09 |
| AStorm | actually... | 14:09 |
| aquatix | i'm not sure how many will use wifi in the train btw; don't see too many people using laptops or tablets on it | 14:09 |
| AStorm | laptops there are many | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, you're never been on the london tube have you? :P | 14:10 |
| aquatix | ah, metro | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | s/'re/'ve/ | 14:10 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: aquatix, you've never been on the london tube have you? :P | 14:10 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: no, i never been to London even | 14:10 |
| aquatix | plan to visit though | 14:10 |
| AStorm | trick is tying your wifi pass to the metro pass | 14:10 |
| aquatix | but i've experience with amsterdam, brussels | 14:10 |
| AStorm | e.g. make wifi avail. only to people with monthly or more | 14:11 |
| AStorm | cost-effective :> | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | and welcome to administration hell | 14:11 |
| AStorm | no, why? | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | because, people need to authenticate against some blobed up web page, you can steal MAC addresses, you can use an NSTX attack to go past it | 14:12 |
| AStorm | fail | 14:12 |
| AStorm | WPA2 | 14:12 |
| aquatix | AStorm: lot of devices don't do wpa2 | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | oh please | 14:12 |
| AStorm | so WPA | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | and what, give everyone the password ? | 14:13 |
| AStorm | no | 14:13 |
| AStorm | RADIUS | 14:13 |
| aquatix | set up a radius sever? | 14:13 |
| aquatix | yeah :) | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | LOL | 14:13 |
| AStorm | generate a new pass going through a gate | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | do you have any idea of the costs/difficulty ? | 14:13 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: yeah | 14:13 |
| aquatix | so? ;) | 14:13 |
| AStorm | not harder than current tickets | 14:13 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:13 |
| * aquatix sticks with his private mobile connection | 14:13 | |
| crashanddie | Well, they're not going to do it, considering there's no money to gain | 14:13 |
| AStorm | there could be :> | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | do you really think they're going to install such an infrastructure just so "we can be happy" ? | 14:14 |
| aquatix | get more people to use public transports | 14:14 |
| AStorm | yup | 14:14 |
| aquatix | might even work here in the netherlands | 14:14 |
| AStorm | and they could even sell that additionally | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, people who don't use public transport, usually can afford to have unlimited data plans with their mobile, so they don't give a rat's ass about wifi | 14:14 |
| aquatix | but knowing the companies, they will only put it in first class and such | 14:15 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:15 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: erm, i drive a car | 14:15 |
| aquatix | hm, bad example | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, because you don't live in a big city | 14:15 |
| aquatix | i went to my university by public transports from this address | 14:15 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: pity gprs doesn't work underground | 14:15 |
| AStorm | at least here (except stations) | 14:15 |
| aquatix | AStorm: in amsterdam it does | 14:16 |
| aquatix | gsm network in the metro | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, works here too | 14:16 |
| AStorm | aquatix: :) | 14:16 |
| aquatix | even better reception than above ground :) | 14:16 |
| AStorm | soory, yes, retarded country Poland is, forgot | 14:16 |
| aquatix | heheh | 14:16 |
| aquatix | nah, Poland isn't retarded | 14:17 |
| AStorm | it is "mildly deficient" | 14:17 |
| aquatix | but investing in cellphone coverage in the metro might be nice | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | anyway, you're asking for something extremely difficult to setup, and thus extremely costly to setup, and for which the return value isn't evident, and if there is a return value, it's rather null | 14:17 |
| aquatix | in amsterdam it's almost necessairy | 14:17 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: simple to setup | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, zit jij dan in nl ? | 14:17 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: and it's obsolete on completion | 14:17 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: ja | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, oooh, leuk :) | 14:18 |
| aquatix | zeker | 14:18 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: where are you located? | 14:18 |
| aquatix | if i may ask? | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | London now | 14:18 |
| aquatix | ah | 14:18 |
| zap_ | pretty interesting, Georgia map is empty in google maps | 14:19 |
| aquatix | yeah, figured something from your reverse dns | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | heh :) | 14:19 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: i live halfway between amsterdam and alkmaar | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, nice... I spent some time in Delft | 14:19 |
| aquatix | aha | 14:19 |
| aquatix | reason i have to use a car to get to work is because of the transfer times | 14:20 |
| aquatix | and the 7km of biking through windy Den Helder to and from work | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | lol @ "windy" | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | oooh, 30kph of wind... Djeezus, now there's something :P | 14:21 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:21 |
| aquatix | there's *always* wind there... | 14:21 |
| aquatix | and i work at the Navi, so in the harbour | 14:21 |
| aquatix | so: car | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, get your bike out in northern catalunya, I'll show you what "windy" really means :P | 14:21 |
| aquatix | heheh | 14:21 |
| aquatix | my main problem is the 2 hour of train travel | 14:22 |
| aquatix | with almost 1h being transfer times | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gotta go | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | bbl | 14:22 |
| aquatix | ok, cya | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, yeah, that sucks | 14:22 |
| aquatix | by car it's 55 to 60 minutes | 14:22 |
| aquatix | stupid 80km/h roads... | 14:22 |
| aquatix | anyways, ttyl :) | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | so you live like 70km from work ? | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | would be better to just move closer :D | 14:23 |
| aquatix | 65km | 14:23 |
| aquatix | no way | 14:23 |
| aquatix | i'm not moving to alkmaar or further north | 14:23 |
| lcuk | drive faster - or buy a flying car | 14:23 |
| aquatix | i like to live in the real world ;) | 14:23 |
| aquatix | lcuk: maybe i should borrow one of their helicopters ;) | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I think they call that a helicopter nowadays | 14:24 |
| aquatix | lcuk: and about driving faster: hush, don't wake the dogs ;) | 14:24 |
| lcuk | so, your boss thinks it takes 55 minutes to arrive at work, but in reality its a 15minute journey ;) | 14:24 |
| aquatix | ha, i wish | 14:25 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, microlite is probably more suitable | 14:25 |
| aquatix | lcuk: poor little astra won't do 240 ;) | 14:25 |
| lcuk | you need to get a tow then from something that can | 14:26 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: problem is that that 80km/h road crosses some small towns where you only are allowed 50 | 14:26 |
| aquatix | backwards piece of country... | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, hey, belgium is worse these days, you can't complain | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, most cities is 30, and most roads is 70 | 14:27 |
| aquatix | ew | 14:27 |
| XTLi | Wow | 14:27 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, no, only motorways | 14:28 |
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| * lcuk sees no logic in the uk road speedlimits | 14:28 | |
| lardman | lcuk: or other roads with a central reservation | 14:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: get rid I reckon | 14:29 |
| lardman | :) | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, but then again, we have Brown as a PM, so I guess logic went out of the country when that happened | 14:29 |
| lcuk | and no built up residential blocks | 14:29 |
| lcuk | no, it was gone well before brown | 14:29 |
| lcuk | my missus failed her test for speeding down a dual carraigeway at 40 | 14:30 |
| lardman | oh, one with a limit, or failed for going too slowly? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | and another time for doin 30 in a 20 zone | 14:30 |
| lcuk | one with a limit | 14:30 |
| lcuk | shes got a leadfoot | 14:31 |
| lardman | lol | 14:31 |
| lardman | mine too | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | OIthey buy such dainty shoes then press em as hard as possible into the pedal | 14:31 |
| lardman | probably why new shoes are needed every week ;) | 14:31 |
| lcuk | lol tracy | 14:31 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: was that mph? | 14:32 |
| lcuk | the "OI" was not typed by me :D | 14:32 |
| lardman | AStorm: yes, it would be over here | 14:32 |
| AStorm | here police don't care as long as you're not speeding overtly (about 20 km/h) | 14:32 |
| aquatix | ah, that makes more sense | 14:32 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i got a print for speeding 4km/h | 14:33 |
| AStorm | oh shi- | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, you were probably way over that | 14:33 |
| AStorm | idiots | 14:33 |
| aquatix | which resulted in me going 57km/h where 50 is allowed | 14:33 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: well, `way' is a bit much, but i went 7km too fast indeed | 14:33 |
| AStorm | that's why thee cameras are here set to catch over 15 km/h | 14:33 |
| lcuk | something like 44 in a 30 zone - i was so impressed, my car was knackered and i was going uphill - it barely made it to work | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, there's always an edge, to account for the inaccuracy of your speedometer, and the fault tolerance in the radar/laser | 14:34 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:34 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: yeah, that's 57 calibrated km's | 14:34 |
| aquatix | so my needle would've done 62 or something | 14:34 |
| AStorm | 44 might've been too much :> | 14:34 |
| lcuk | ummmm forgive my half a sentense - tracy deleted it \o/ | 14:34 |
| lcuk | c | 14:34 |
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| crashanddie | tracy, will you please allow gary to talk with us, djeezus, women | 14:35 |
| AStorm | lcuk: you've your own censorship :P | 14:35 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: was in one of those small towns where i was taking speed back from doing 80km/h; if you're done with breaking, you can step on the gas again... | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, which usually is the cycle of driving | 14:35 |
| AStorm | heh | 14:35 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna talk to smelly geeks | 14:35 |
| aquatix | yeah, but putting a speed cam there is just lame :) | 14:35 |
| AStorm | 80 in town is... dangerous | 14:35 |
| aquatix | true | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, who said that, gary or tracy ? | 14:36 |
| aquatix | that's why i was doing 57 tops | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, and btw, who says we're smelly ? | 14:36 |
| AStorm | aquatix: yeah, here they put it turned to back, 200m in town | 14:36 |
| lcuk | who do you think \o/ i has been taken over | 14:36 |
| aquatix | and likely was doing 50 5m down the road | 14:36 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | and if you say "I can smell it from here", I'd say, put Gary in the shower | 14:36 |
| lcuk | i cant stop local typing with vnc connected | 14:36 |
| AStorm | that gets all the idiots who can't use the brake | 14:36 |
| aquatix | turned to back? | 14:37 |
| aquatix | picture from behind you mean? | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, so tracy, how is Gary in the everyday life ? | 14:37 |
| aquatix | ah, reminds me i want to request their picture of me | 14:37 |
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| AStorm | aquatix: facing back of your car :> | 14:37 |
| aquatix | curious where they where measuring | 14:37 |
| aquatix | AStorm: yeah, that's default here | 14:38 |
| lcuk_work | <<<<< not in vnc any more | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | OH HAI LCUK_WORK | 14:38 |
| AStorm | ALL HAIL LCUK_WORK | 14:38 |
| aquatix | can i haz lcuk bek plz? | 14:38 |
| lcuk_work | i am | 14:38 |
| lcuk_work | its tracy has nicked my lcuk account | 14:38 |
| lcuk | *grin* | 14:39 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 14:39 |
| * aquatix votes for more girls on irc | 14:39 | |
| AStorm | nickserv to the rescue? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, pervert | 14:39 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: er, no | 14:39 |
| * lcuk_work wont buy you any more swarovski | 14:39 | |
| * AStorm votes for more girls on metal concerts | 14:39 | |
| aquatix | they just are pleasant conversationist | 14:39 |
| aquatix | AStorm: lol | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | yeah... lol... "*grin*" really is an awesome conversation | 14:40 |
| lcuk_work | and she wrote that before i left vnc | 14:40 |
| * trickie|work just votes for girls . | 14:40 | |
| AStorm | better than 8D | 14:40 |
| * aquatix likes the smile from a girl any time ;) | 14:40 | |
| aquatix | AStorm: lol | 14:40 |
| * andre___ votes for more metal fans on hiphop concerts | 14:40 | |
| lcuk | *loves u loads* ha it looks like u love yourself | 14:40 |
| XTLi | XD | 14:40 |
| lcuk_work | :O :D | 14:41 |
| aquatix | andre___: a pit on a hiphop gig? ;) | 14:41 |
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| andre___ | exactly. i had that the last time. surprising and amazing | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk*, don't you have something better to do ? | 14:41 |
| aquatix | andre___: that means you where visiting a hiphop concert? ;) | 14:41 |
| AStorm | those were punks | 14:41 |
| AStorm | probably | 14:42 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: that's just lcuk_work simulating he has a girl ;) | 14:42 |
| andre___ | aquatix, yes :) | 14:42 |
| AStorm | mwhaha | 14:42 |
| AStorm | yeah | 14:42 |
| lcuk_work | lcuk - have you broken anything else this morniN? | 14:42 |
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| lardman|lunch | mmmmmm | 14:42 |
| AStorm | there are no girls onthe internets, except camwhores :P | 14:42 |
| lcuk | no nothing new not so far | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, ironically, my mind is still set to the fact there's a time difference between the two of us | 14:42 |
| AStorm | pics or it didn't happen :P | 14:42 |
| lcuk_work | there is - you are just slow :P | 14:43 |
| aquatix | AStorm: yeah, pics or i'm not convinced of girlyhood ;) | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, I'm closer to greenwich so you're out of synch, bitch :P | 14:43 |
| lcuk | lol @ girlyhood | 14:43 |
| AStorm | heh | 14:43 |
| lcuk_work | oh tracy, was talkin to james about kittens (hes gettin bengals) and he saw us on oldham cats thing | 14:43 |
| XTLi | Bengals are neat | 14:44 |
| lcuk | cool :D | 14:44 |
| * aquatix starts conversation with lcuk demanding pic ;) | 14:44 | |
| lcuk_work | yer, the way they rips of your head and chew on your neck is niceeeeee | 14:44 |
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| lcuk_work | aquatix: you want pussy pictures? | 14:44 |
| aquatix | lol | 14:44 |
| aquatix | hairy ones? ;) | 14:44 |
| aquatix | was kinda skipping your kitting conversation | 14:45 |
| lcuk_work | well im sure i could rustle up some shaven pussy pics - always makes tracy laugh | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | ok, that'll be enough guys | 14:45 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: wet pussies are nice too | 14:45 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: irc getting nsfw? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | *closes eyes* cant believe such filth on here but i spose the net does corrupt ppl specially geeks who live here :D | 14:45 |
| aquatix | lcuk: hey, you brought up the subject of cats | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, don't talk too loudly, don't forget your hubby spends quite some time "in here" | 14:46 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ;) | 14:46 |
| lcuk_work | cant corrupt me any further than i am already | 14:46 |
| lcuk | yeah i know he does im forever yelling bout it | 14:46 |
| lcuk_work | http://chase.inthebasement.us/wp-content/lioncut.jpg <<< hot naked shaven pussy picture | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | I'm guessing we've all seen this one: | 14:47 |
| lcuk | laffs at lion cut | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | Blonde chick with nice pussy: http://corporate.skynet.be/sonal/wilfried/humor/files/blonde%20chick%20with%20nice%20pussy.jpg | 14:47 |
| lcuk | right boys play nice im off to finish my hoovering an play guitar hero:D | 14:47 |
| lcuk_work | ok sweetie, cya later on (K) | 14:47 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: messie pussy: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-does-not-want-you-to-ask.jpg | 14:48 |
| aquatix | lcuk: have fun :) | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'll pwn you at GH anytime of the day :P | 14:48 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: ooh, you have a girl that does the hoovering :) | 14:48 |
| aquatix | mine demands i do that ;) | 14:48 |
| AStorm | hey, caturday is tomorrow | 14:49 |
| aquatix | AStorm: it is? | 14:49 |
| * aquatix notes | 14:49 | |
| lcuk_work | aquatix: tracys definition of fun: electrocuted twice, breaking computers putting back out, dropping lamps and finally football to the head :( she needs tlc | 14:49 |
| aquatix | aww | 14:49 |
| lcuk | i didnt drop the lamp | 14:49 |
| lcuk_work | lol | 14:49 |
| lcuk | or break the pc it was just malfuctioning of its own accord | 14:49 |
| lcuk_work | i notice you dont deny the rest | 14:49 |
| AStorm | yeah, gravity did that | 14:49 |
| lcuk | no cant deny the electrocution | 14:50 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 14:50 |
| aquatix | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-it-would-be-best-if-you-closed-the-airlock.jpg <- *grin* | 14:50 |
| lcuk_work | i was shocked to hear it | 14:50 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: it's contaminating? | 14:50 |
| lcuk_work | aquatix: you on ichc? | 14:50 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: only read it | 14:50 |
| lcuk_work | aquatix: yer she caught it first time, but then didnt realise it was finished and it came back for another go | 14:51 |
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| AStorm | aquatix: yeah, we know you're not a cat | 14:51 |
| lcuk_work | right, smoke time - ill be back ;later | 14:52 |
| aquatix | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-your-cat-cooks-his-own-cheeseburger.jpg <- lol | 14:52 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: talking about smoking ^ | 14:52 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i aint? | 14:52 |
| AStorm | aquatix: yeah, you're not on ichc | 14:53 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i'm ceiling cat's dad | 14:53 |
| aquatix | can't be pictured | 14:53 |
| AStorm | what about drawing? | 14:56 |
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| aquatix | AStorm: sorry, only my name in tasty utf8 characters | 14:56 |
| aquatix | or tasteful, whatever you like | 14:57 |
| aquatix | nomnomnom | 14:57 |
| AStorm | lecker :> | 14:57 |
| aquatix | did you mean lekker? | 14:58 |
| AStorm | close | 14:58 |
| AStorm | that was German | 14:59 |
| aquatix | ah | 14:59 |
| aquatix | fair enough :) | 14:59 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-wonders-if-you-are-done-vaccuuming.jpg | 15:02 |
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| AStorm | is there a way to upgrade to diablo w/o reflash? | 15:07 |
| AStorm | doesn't have to be easy | 15:07 |
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| Khertan | hrw > the devs of metro doesn't want my help to make a gtk version they prefers to maintain their dev themself | 15:08 |
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| aquatix | Khertan: i gave up on metro when i gave up on using my palms daily | 15:15 |
| AStorm | huh what? | 15:16 |
| AStorm | you lost your hands? :> | 15:16 |
| aquatix | ;) | 15:17 |
| aquatix | i used Metro on my sony clie's | 15:17 |
| hrw | someone here use Maemo mapper? | 15:20 |
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| hrw | with Google Street source | 15:20 |
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| hrw | it does not download maps | 15:24 |
| AStorm | well, mine's broke | 15:24 |
| AStorm | I'd like to know why | 15:24 |
| AStorm | it]missing its home dir | 15:25 |
| AStorm | and went batshit :> | 15:25 |
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| AStorm | hrw: maybe you crossed Google's daily dl limit | 15:25 |
| hrw | AStorm: did not | 15:26 |
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| hrw | ok, something is fscked deeper | 15:28 |
| hrw | openstreet maps are not fetched too | 15:29 |
| AStorm | your connection has failed? | 15:29 |
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| hrw | I see... | 15:29 |
| hrw | dns | 15:30 |
| AStorm | ok, now, I tell you what happens, you tell me how to fix it :) | 15:30 |
| AStorm | mapper can't open any db file (because they're not there) | 15:31 |
| AStorm | how to fix? | 15:31 |
| hrw | no idea | 15:31 |
| AStorm | ok, mapper is stupid | 15:32 |
| AStorm | it doesn't use readlink to check for exsistence of its dir :> | 15:33 |
| AStorm | *existence | 15:33 |
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| AStorm | I had a symlink to zilch in my home dir | 15:34 |
| pupnik_ | Unconfirmed report that might affect your travel/work/investment plans http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html | 15:35 |
| AStorm | :> | 15:36 |
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| AStorm | another is that Russia invaded^Wfreed S. Osetia (or Osetii) | 15:36 |
| AStorm | s/freed/liberated | 15:37 |
| AStorm | s/freed/liberated/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: s/liberated/liberated | 15:37 |
| pupnik_ | it looked like they want to seceede | 15:37 |
| AStorm | infobot: you're stupid | 15:37 |
| * infobot scratches his head | 15:37 | |
| pupnik_ | hah | 15:37 |
| kulve | nice overview about audio stream over BT: http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/holtmann-reprint.pdf | 15:38 |
| AStorm | ok, we need some uber version of A* for navigation with Google Street :) | 15:38 |
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| AStorm | that is: vectorizer and A* | 15:39 |
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| AStorm | and some speed tagging | 15:39 |
| AStorm | can I hear volunteers? | 15:41 |
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| derf | "uber version"? | 15:43 |
| AStorm | no, GPS navigation version :) | 15:43 |
| derf | I mean, A* is not a hard algorithm. | 15:43 |
| AStorm | vectorizing is | 15:43 |
| AStorm | cpu-intensive | 15:44 |
| derf | I don't even know what you mean by that. | 15:44 |
| AStorm | ... | 15:44 |
| AStorm | drive-by-pixel is crap | 15:44 |
| AStorm | you need to convert the bitmap to a vector format | 15:44 |
| AStorm | then maybe tag street names | 15:45 |
| AStorm | and speed limits | 15:45 |
| derf | Or you could just use Open Street Map. | 15:45 |
| AStorm | btw | 15:45 |
| derf | And not have huge copyright infringement problems. | 15:45 |
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| AStorm | derf: not if you keep it personal | 15:45 |
| AStorm | street name data is ok | 15:46 |
| AStorm | vectorized map is not | 15:46 |
| AStorm | so that part you'll have to do locally | 15:46 |
| derf | That sounds like a PITA. | 15:47 |
| AStorm | no | 15:47 |
| AStorm | offline, output is small | 15:47 |
| AStorm | do it in parts, while dling maybe :) | 15:47 |
| derf | I don't know about you, but I often want maps for somewhere I want to go in the next few minutes. | 15:47 |
| AStorm | ... predownload them? | 15:47 |
| derf | There's no "offline", unless you want everyone to locally store a bazillion gigabytes of map data. | 15:48 |
| AStorm | no, why? | 15:48 |
| AStorm | you need a bunch of major cities | 15:48 |
| AStorm | after processing, you could drop the original image even | 15:48 |
| AStorm | vector data is tiny | 15:49 |
| derf | I still had to download it once. | 15:49 |
| AStorm | yes | 15:49 |
| AStorm | you have to do it now anyway :P | 15:50 |
| AStorm | you don't have to vectorize everything at once | 15:50 |
| derf | And even "tiny" vector data for every conceivable place I might want to go is probably larger than just the bitmap data for the places I actually go. | 15:50 |
| AStorm | no | 15:50 |
| AStorm | well, yes | 15:50 |
| AStorm | but why vectoriye everything and not what you want? | 15:51 |
| AStorm | *vectorize | 15:51 |
| derf | Because it already takes too long just to download the maps _now_. | 15:51 |
| derf | And you want to make that take even longer. | 15:51 |
| AStorm | no | 15:51 |
| AStorm | same time | 15:51 |
| AStorm | cpu usage will go up | 15:51 |
| derf | No, because now you've got a huge processing step afterwards. | 15:51 |
| AStorm | not huge | 15:51 |
| AStorm | huge for offline dload | 15:51 |
| derf | I don't know about you, but when my tablet is downloading maps, it is pegging the CPU 100%. | 15:51 |
| AStorm | small for incremental dload | 15:52 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 15:52 |
| AStorm | that's sqlite | 15:52 |
| AStorm | I'd drop that crud already | 15:52 |
| AStorm | it sucks | 15:52 |
| derf | Well, if you solve _that_ problem, then maybe I'll care about the rest. | 15:52 |
| AStorm | :) | 15:52 |
| derf | But just fixing that by itself would be a nice first step. | 15:52 |
| AStorm | first, setting sqlite acid level to yilch speeds it up 1000x | 15:53 |
| AStorm | *zilch | 15:53 |
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| AStorm | this stupid piece of software runs fsync after each transaction | 15:53 |
| derf | You know, I actually like the fact that when my tablet freezes and reboots, my ginormous map database that represents hours of downloading time doesn't get corrupted. | 15:53 |
| AStorm | heh yup | 15:54 |
| AStorm | I actually prefer file-based dbs | 15:54 |
| AStorm | easier to fix | 15:54 |
| derf | I don't want to have to fix it. | 15:54 |
| AStorm | if you need to reduce seek time, gzip | 15:55 |
| derf | I want it to not break. | 15:55 |
| AStorm | derf: well, fsync doesn't help | 15:55 |
| AStorm | JFFS2 is journalling, right? | 15:55 |
| AStorm | ext3 too | 15:55 |
| AStorm | etc. | 15:55 |
| derf | Only metadata. | 15:55 |
| AStorm | hmm | 15:55 |
| derf | I have no idea about jffs2, but it's irrelevant. | 15:56 |
| AStorm | relevant | 15:56 |
| derf | Nobody puts maps on their main card. | 15:56 |
| AStorm | it fsyncs really | 15:56 |
| derf | And nobody uses jffs2 anywhere else. | 15:56 |
| AStorm | ext3 doesn't, well | 15:56 |
| AStorm | ext3 cheats a bit, by default buffers up to 5s | 15:56 |
| AStorm | (or other if you set commit=x option) | 15:57 |
| AStorm | although MMC is slow | 15:57 |
| AStorm | 2 MB/s or so | 15:57 |
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| derf | It's not that slow... I can barely download that fast. | 15:58 |
| AStorm | but it frigging syncs every trans | 15:58 |
| AStorm | so you get a one writeblock write | 15:58 |
| AStorm | this stresses wear leveling too | 15:59 |
| AStorm | and the transactions aren't too large | 15:59 |
| AStorm | it's sqlite's fail | 16:00 |
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| AStorm | other dbs don't fsync | 16:01 |
| AStorm | at worst you lose a transaction | 16:01 |
| derf | So don't bitch at me about it, go complain to them. | 16:02 |
| AStorm | well | 16:02 |
| AStorm | just use something better | 16:02 |
| derf | gunite accepts patches. | 16:03 |
| AStorm | yes | 16:03 |
| AStorm | I have to try a hack at it | 16:03 |
| AStorm | maybe at least "unsync" option | 16:03 |
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| AStorm | and do real trans instead of sqlite's auto | 16:04 |
| AStorm | should help a lot | 16:04 |
| AStorm | dammit | 16:07 |
| AStorm | I'm getting "unable to create map repo" and crash | 16:07 |
| AStorm | I'll better check for updates | 16:08 |
| zapppp | could someone tell me some easy way to take screenshots on N810? | 16:10 |
| AStorm | zapppp: the Load Applet | 16:11 |
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| zapppp | AStorm: I installed it just a moment ago and can't figure out where it stores the screenshots | 16:13 |
| AStorm | in ~ | 16:13 |
| briand | in your home directory | 16:13 |
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| zap_ | in ~MyDocs/.images/ | 16:13 |
| AStorm | yes | 16:14 |
| AStorm | I don't get why they hid these dirs | 16:14 |
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| trickie|work | kulve: thats is a good doc | 16:19 |
| trickie|work | lardman|lunch may be interested in it | 16:20 |
| trickie|work | although he probably knows much of it from doing his experiments | 16:20 |
| zap_ | I want good doc too :) | 16:21 |
| zap_ | where? :) | 16:21 |
| trickie|work | zap_: scroll up to kulve's last comment | 16:22 |
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| trickie|work | or | 16:22 |
| trickie|work | <kulve> nice overview about audio stream over BT: http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/holtmann-reprint.pdf | 16:22 |
| trickie|work | for the lazy :) | 16:22 |
| zap_ | I tried but my backlog is short | 16:22 |
| trickie|work | ah ok | 16:22 |
| trickie|work | there you go | 16:22 |
| zap_ | ah, I have xchat logging everything :) hehe, Big Brother watches you | 16:22 |
| trickie|work | :) | 16:22 |
| XTLi | Isn't the log on a web page somewhere | 16:25 |
| zap_ | indeed cool stuff | 16:25 |
| zap_ | indeed, the log is in the channel subject | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You should get it for your kid: http://gizmodo.com/5034644/working-plastic+welder-toy-for-kids-sounds-like-lawsuit+in+waiting | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Not a deadly laser, but still... | 16:38 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: fun stuff, but needs good ventilation | 16:44 |
| XTLi | Love the smell of pvc in the morning | 16:45 |
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| AStorm | pvc? who uses that nowadays? | 16:46 |
| glass | kinky people | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: beats weed. | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | http://gizmodo.com/5034458/slow-motion-lightning-video-is-mindblowing-will-sell-a-thousand-slo+mo-cameras | 16:53 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 16:59 |
| AStorm | someone broke stuff | 16:59 |
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| AStorm | there's no new lightmediascanner-ogg | 17:02 |
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| AStorm | kulve: move your junk :) | 17:02 |
| AStorm | update to 0.1.10-maemo3 | 17:03 |
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| pupnik_ | heh pandora has a fat battery: - "Early testing of the battery at 500MHz, full screen brightness, audio section powered but not providing sound, and no power management has yielded 8.5 hours before the system shut down." | 17:03 |
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| AStorm | how heavy and large is it? | 17:04 |
| AStorm | does it have an open 3D accel driver? | 17:04 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik_: will still reserve judgement until it's selling. It'll almost certainly be too bare bones to be anything other than an OSS DS competitor. | 17:04 |
| johnx | supposedly "A little bigger than a nintendo ds lite, a little smaller than an original ds" | 17:04 |
| pupnik_ | it's pretty fat, 27mm iirc | 17:04 |
| pupnik_ | for the big honkin battery | 17:05 |
| AStorm | blah | 17:05 |
| AStorm | fail | 17:05 |
| AStorm | pointless for me then | 17:05 |
| johnx | yeah, bigger than a zaurus... | 17:05 |
| johnx | it would fit in my cargo pants pockets, but not suit pants | 17:05 |
| pupnik_ | right | 17:05 |
| AStorm | what I need is n810 with gsm modem :> | 17:05 |
| pupnik_ | still, takes up very little in a bag, purse, coat pocket | 17:05 |
| AStorm | and a camera | 17:06 |
| pupnik_ | 8.5 hrs without power management puts it into another class | 17:06 |
| johnx | yeah, and I always have a bag when I have a suit on... | 17:06 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: like that Raon Everlast? | 17:06 |
| AStorm | or what it's called | 17:06 |
| johnx | something omap3 with a battery as big as the system board sounds about right to me :) | 17:06 |
| pupnik_ | dunno that | 17:06 |
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| AStorm | johnx: if just Nokia made a custom battery for n810 instead of reusing bp5l | 17:07 |
| pupnik_ | there's not much space in n810 | 17:07 |
| AStorm | and waste space | 17:07 |
| johnx | I'm tired of the screen update issues of the n8x0 series | 17:07 |
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| AStorm | enough to put 2000 mAh | 17:07 |
| AStorm | yup | 17:07 |
| johnx | and really, a little speed bump would be nice for web browsing | 17:07 |
| AStorm | fb chip is too slow | 17:07 |
| pupnik_ | when does screen update bother you johnx | 17:07 |
| AStorm | movies, duh | 17:08 |
| johnx | games mostly | 17:08 |
| AStorm | and other interactive stuff | 17:08 |
| johnx | movies can be worked around, since the movie player only has to be optimized once, but it's a problem for games... | 17:08 |
| AStorm | fix libsdl? | 17:09 |
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| AStorm | kulve: frigging bump ogg-support plz | 17:09 |
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| lardman | johnx: +1 for the screen bandwidth issue | 17:10 |
| johnx | it's even a problem for just normal screen redraws too | 17:10 |
| lardman | The DSP on the OMAP3xxx also supports 8bit types, which would make life much easier | 17:10 |
| johnx | part of me wants an omap3 based system that's the size of a small netbook. it could be mostly battery :) | 17:11 |
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| lardman | I'd just like something that doesn't choke on random videos, it's embarrassing | 17:13 |
| lardman | and preferably something that still needs some work, otherwise I'll get bored :) | 17:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, looks like the DSP has a dedicated LCD DMA, I wonder where that would place data? | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | johnx: a netbook form factor tablet would be great | 17:15 |
| johnx | yeah, I'd actually be happy to have my n800 become my "boring, dependable, working" handheld :) | 17:15 |
| lardman | (on the OMAP2xxx that is) | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | lardman: so that LCD can talk to the epson, or only internal 2420 controller? | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | memory | 17:15 |
| johnx | pupnik_, same idea as the gigabyte m912 except an ARM instead of Atom? or smaller than that? | 17:16 |
| lardman | so DSP can talk to the LCD, but probably not designed/workable with the external LCD controller we use | 17:16 |
| pupnik_ | about 'netbook' size for me | 17:16 |
| pupnik_ | or rather for older folks | 17:16 |
| AStorm | no | 17:16 |
| AStorm | too large | 17:17 |
| pupnik_ | they squint at 225dpi | 17:17 |
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| AStorm | current form factor is ok | 17:17 |
| AStorm | iPhone-size | 17:17 |
| pupnik | AStorm: older folks need bigger screens | 17:17 |
| johnx | <rant>DPI is not a problem. Non-scaleable GUIs are the problem</rant> | 17:17 |
| AStorm | johnx++ | 17:17 |
| lardman | I like the iPhone browser (same goes for the Nokia phones I think) which can quickly show a page overview, then zoom in, etc. | 17:18 |
| johnx | if your font size changes with a change in physical screen dpi/ppi your system is *broken* | 17:18 |
| pupnik | wrong. scaling the app or GUI doesn't get you an old-folks compatible reading/browsing/computing experience | 17:18 |
| johnx | if the buttons change size it has major room for improvement | 17:18 |
| AStorm | pupnik: ... | 17:18 |
| AStorm | get fucking glasses | 17:18 |
| AStorm | :) | 17:19 |
| pupnik | AStorm: you fail to understand | 17:19 |
| pupnik | their eyes go bad | 17:19 |
| AStorm | and they don't like glasses? | 17:19 |
| AStorm | or contact lenses | 17:19 |
| johnx | AStorm, sometimes glasses can't fix everything | 17:19 |
| AStorm | maybe install braille screen? | 17:19 |
| johnx | my vision is 20/35 with glasses | 17:19 |
| AStorm | oh shi- | 17:19 |
| AStorm | :| | 17:20 |
| johnx | yeah, it's not a problem...I just use bigger fonts on my high dpi screen | 17:20 |
| * johnx rolls his eyes | 17:20 | |
| lardman | I don't like very small text | 17:20 |
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| lardman | I would prefer a slightly larger screen to be honest, Psion series 5 size, perhaps a touch smaller | 17:20 |
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| lardman | wouldn't be so pocketable, but would be more usable (for me at least) | 17:21 |
| AStorm | can't go thicker though | 17:21 |
| pupnik | would it be possible to attach a larger LCD to a used N800? | 17:21 |
| lardman | I coulfd live with it if it had that keyboard! :) | 17:21 |
| johnx | lardman, I actually keep looking at the psion 5 series as an interesting size...and the black/white LCD would take so little battery power... | 17:21 |
| pupnik | custom case.. | 17:21 |
| AStorm | pupnik: lcd controller is junk | 17:21 |
| AStorm | it'd choke | 17:21 |
| lardman | johnx: colour is nice | 17:21 |
| pupnik | same resolution but 7" | 17:21 |
| johnx | lardman, the olpc display seems really interesting | 17:21 |
| AStorm | pupnik: too large IMO | 17:22 |
| lardman | pupnik: yep | 17:22 |
| AStorm | 5,5" | 17:22 |
| AStorm | what about that? | 17:22 |
| * lardman finds a ruler | 17:22 | |
| RST38h | So, what have I missed? | 17:22 |
| AStorm | (size of old 770) | 17:22 |
| lardman | only in cm :D | 17:22 |
| lardman | ah yes, that's a decent size, just with a larger screen + N810 keyboard too | 17:22 |
| AStorm | yup | 17:23 |
| AStorm | and it's thickness | 17:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, arguments about screen dpi, dreams of an omap3-based system between the size of a psion and a netbook, some other things probably | 17:23 |
| lardman | bbiab | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Sounds like regular selection of topics | 17:23 |
| RST38h | No flame wars? No iPhone? =) | 17:23 |
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| AStorm | yup :) | 17:24 |
| AStorm | still, add gsm modem | 17:24 |
| AStorm | there *is* enough space | 17:24 |
| AStorm | wimax, wifi, bt and gsm... made of win | 17:25 |
| lardman|afk | how is the framebuffer transferred to the LCD controller, a DMA of some sort? | 17:25 |
| RST38h | DMA | 17:25 |
| AStorm | switch wifi chip while at it | 17:25 |
| RST38h | There are actually three buffers | 17:25 |
| AStorm | lardman|afk: yes, but controller is slow | 17:25 |
| lardman|afk | RST38h: DMA to a peripheral then? | 17:26 |
| RST38h | larman: yep | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | It goes like this: | 17:26 |
| lardman | just wondering whether that could be done directly from the DSP, rather than having to write to the SDRAM framebuffer then let the ARM kernel call the update | 17:26 |
| smackpotato1 | maybe there is some hidden hardware | 17:26 |
| RST38h | OMAP2 SDRAM ==DMA==> Epson chip buffer ==LCD IF==> LCD buffer | 17:26 |
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| lardman | do you happen to know what the Epson chip buffer is attached to? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: Probably, but you will have to screw Epson chip in a particular manner | 17:27 |
| AStorm | SPI? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | ;ardman: to the epson chip! | 17:27 |
| AStorm | ... | 17:27 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:27 |
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| lardman | SPI is it? | 17:27 |
| AStorm | this is prob. McSPI | 17:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: doh! ;) | 17:28 |
| RST38h | "So, what do you do with an elephant gun? -- Hunt the elephants!" | 17:28 |
| AStorm | no, kill people :p | 17:28 |
| RST38h | lardman: you don't have direct access to two other buffers | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | lardman: But you can probably tell Epson chip "receive this sequence of bytes and store it" | 17:28 |
| lardman | RST38h: which are those? | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Epson chip buffer and LCD buffer | 17:29 |
| RST38h | AStorm: inefficient. | 17:29 |
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| lardman | RST38h: how are they different? Memory shadowed? | 17:29 |
| kulve | AStorm: what? | 17:29 |
| AStorm | RST38h: yes | 17:29 |
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| AStorm | kulve: lighmediascanner-ogg 0.1.10-maemo3 | 17:29 |
| AStorm | it's missing | 17:30 |
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| AStorm | chinook repo, btw | 17:30 |
| kulve | that should be provided by the canola team | 17:30 |
| RST38h | lardman: these buffers are internal and not accessible to a programmer | 17:30 |
| AStorm | kulve: hmm, then they failed at it | 17:31 |
| RST38h | lardman: So, you have to be aware of them but there is no need to waste time wondering how exactly they are connected | 17:31 |
| RST38h | "with wires" is a sufficient answer | 17:31 |
| AStorm | nope | 17:31 |
| lardman | RST38h: I see, but they are available mapped to some memory location usually | 17:31 |
| RST38h | lardman: No | 17:31 |
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| AStorm | with wires using serial protocol is | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | lardman: If N8x0 used OMAP2 own buffer, it would be mapped | 17:32 |
| AStorm | they're not mmapped | 17:32 |
| RST38h | lardman: But Nokia went for the external chip with its own buffer | 17:32 |
| lardman | they are accessed how then? | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | lardman: they are not accessed by you | 17:32 |
| AStorm | RST38h: for reasons unknown | 17:32 |
| RST38h | AStorm: For a well known reason | 17:32 |
| lardman | so why is it a problem if I don't need to access them...? | 17:32 |
| AStorm | chip gets a "update buffer" command | 17:33 |
| RST38h | AStorm: OMAP2 does not support 800x480 resolution | 17:33 |
| AStorm | epson | 17:33 |
| lardman | I thought you were saying that the ARM side can access them, but the DSP won't be able to, etc. | 17:33 |
| AStorm | RST38h: hmm? | 17:33 |
| AStorm | ouch | 17:33 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is not a problem | 17:33 |
| lardman | RST38h: it does according to the Ti header (display.h) ;) | 17:33 |
| RST38h | lardman: you just have to be aware of how the whole system works electrically, even if you can't access every piece of it in softwarer | 17:33 |
| AStorm | RST38h: so the bottom line is: it's slow | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | lardman: I am saying that instead of configuring Epson chip to DMA data from SDRAM you can probably set it to be controlled directly | 17:34 |
| AStorm | too slow probably | 17:34 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Well, not slow if you make all the parts work in harmony | 17:34 |
| lardman | ah, I was thinking that data would be pushed into it | 17:35 |
| RST38h | AStorm: But it is not always possible | 17:35 |
| lardman | rather than pulled into it | 17:35 |
| RST38h | lardman: As I said, Epson chip probably allows both ways | 17:35 |
| AStorm | push might be slow | 17:36 |
| AStorm | as it's normally used for commands | 17:36 |
| RST38h | yep | 17:37 |
| RST38h | But if you are bent on using it, it may be possible | 17:37 |
| AStorm | though pointless | 17:38 |
| lardman | what, push>? | 17:38 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:38 |
| lardman | I was just wondering if there was a faster way of displaying data | 17:38 |
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| lardman | but I'm not mad | 17:38 |
| AStorm | not unless you rewire | 17:38 |
| AStorm | you could try forcing refreshes more often | 17:39 |
| lardman | from the DSP I mean | 17:39 |
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| AStorm | ah, then no | 17:39 |
| lardman | but why not :) ? | 17:39 |
| AStorm | none I know of | 17:39 |
| lardman | unless the DSP is not attached to the correct bus | 17:39 |
| AStorm | because epson is attached to dma | 17:40 |
| AStorm | and dma takes data from memory | 17:40 |
| lardman | well it could be un-DMA'd, but that might be tricky | 17:40 |
| AStorm | uhm, with push | 17:40 |
| AStorm | but that will be almost certainly slower | 17:41 |
| RST38h | BTW, has anyone got access to OMAP's internal video buffer? | 17:41 |
| AStorm | kulve: any idea how to get lightmediascanner-ogg or whom to prod? | 17:41 |
| lardman | yeah, it's mapped in kernel space | 17:41 |
| AStorm | but not displayed | 17:42 |
| lardman | AStorm: no, by setting up a DMA on the DSP | 17:42 |
| AStorm | you could work on it | 17:42 |
| pupnik | could that be used for a kind of cache? | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | Can I get access to it in user space? | 17:42 |
| AStorm | yes, mmap | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | ah | 17:42 |
| lardman | look at the bora framebuffer code for the address | 17:43 |
| RST38h | I think I know the address;) | 17:43 |
| kulve | AStorm: Eduardo Lima (Etrunko), eblima@gmail.com | 17:43 |
| AStorm | 0xdeadbeef? ;) | 17:43 |
| AStorm | kulve: thanks :) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | You can probably draw there and let Epso chip DMA from that internal memory? | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Or is it not DMAble? | 17:44 |
| AStorm | hmmmmm | 17:44 |
| AStorm | that sounds like a plan | 17:44 |
| lardman | it's too small for the usual res | 17:45 |
| lardman | not sure it'll be any faster than the SDRAM, but might be | 17:45 |
| AStorm | DMA twice? | 17:45 |
| AStorm | possible? | 17:45 |
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| AStorm | interlacing :> | 17:45 |
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| lardman | you can just call the update ioctl after the dma from the DSP->ARM has completed | 17:47 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:47 |
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| lardman | not ideal, but probably faster than the current writing each 16bit value into the shared memory region | 17:47 |
| RST38h | lardman: it should be faster than sdram | 17:47 |
| AStorm | I'd expect 10-15% | 17:48 |
| AStorm | less cpu usage too | 17:49 |
| lardman | what is the SRAM anyway? | 17:49 |
| lardman | yeah DMA would be better for that | 17:49 |
| AStorm | sdram? normal ram | 17:49 |
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| lardman | so, the built-in framebuffer memory is called SRAM in the kernel code | 17:50 |
| RST38h | SRAM is very good | 17:50 |
| RST38h | It may be significantly better than 10-15% depending on how you access it | 17:50 |
| AStorm | well | 17:50 |
| AStorm | you need to dma twice | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Sequential accesses to SDRAM are just as fast but SRAM rules for random accesses | 17:50 |
| RST38h | AStorm: you need to DMA twice anyway | 17:51 |
| AStorm | hmm right | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: if you use the model proposed by lardman (DSP->RAM->EPSON) | 17:51 |
| RST38h | on the othe rhand dma is sequential by nature and this makes use of SDRAM properties | 17:52 |
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| AStorm | but screen updates aren't, except in special cases | 17:52 |
| lardman | well, I'll look at dma to the standard framebuffer in the first instance, see what that does | 17:52 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 17:52 |
| lardman | bora used to have a framebuffer in the SRAM, might be interesting to see how quick that was to use | 17:53 |
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| AStorm | if you could get 640x480... | 17:54 |
| lardman | yeah | 17:55 |
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| lardman | ah well, if someone wants to test the SRAM, I'll test the DSP DMA | 17:56 |
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| lardman | any thoughts as to my strange sbc behaviour, data are passed to the dsp in 512 byte chunks, it does some processing then returns a 74 byte chunk (iirc), this is done through shared memory (i.e. SDRAM) | 17:57 |
| lardman | if someone tries to watch a video while using the encoder, the framerate drops to ~1fps but the audio continues fine | 17:57 |
| lardman | it's not a lack of cpu on the ARM side, any other ideas? | 17:58 |
| AStorm | sdram is being used a lot | 17:58 |
| lardman | yeah, would that cause such issues? | 17:58 |
| AStorm | and it has limited bandwidth | 17:58 |
| AStorm | maybe | 17:59 |
| AStorm | encoder uses a lot of ram | 17:59 |
| lardman | well about the same number of reads and writes would be needed if it were all on the ARM side | 17:59 |
| lardman | encoder doesn't use any SDRAM other than the buffers to pass in and out | 17:59 |
| AStorm | does it work faster w/o any dsp? | 18:00 |
| lardman | yeah, it runs at the usual 30fps | 18:00 |
| lardman | or whatever it's supposed to be | 18:00 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 18:00 |
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| AStorm | maybe dma is too slow? | 18:00 |
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| lardman | dma isn't used for DSP<->ARM afaict | 18:01 |
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| AStorm | possibly dsp kernel gets stalled? | 18:01 |
| AStorm | (due to cpu usage?) | 18:01 |
| lardman | no, the DSP kernel is fine as the audio is still decoded at full speed | 18:01 |
| lardman | just the video framerate (i.e. all ARM-side) is killed | 18:02 |
| AStorm | hmmmm | 18:02 |
| lardman | so, there's extra kernel overhead from the DSP transfers, this is not alot, but if it's knackering a timer then it might have an impact, and there's also the mmu work of sharing the data | 18:03 |
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| lardman | anyway, thought I'd try dma'ing the ARM<->DSP stuff and see if that helps | 18:05 |
| AStorm | maybe some khread isn't RT? | 18:06 |
| lardman | I wonder if mplayer can spit out some more info to give me a better idea of what's causing its problems | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | It has a -really-quiet switch, think it comes with a -really-annoying switch? :P | 18:07 |
| lardman | AStorm: yeah, that's the other option, I wonder if I set the LCD to autoupdate, it that would show more frames | 18:07 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah -v 9 or something | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, thanks, good to know | 18:07 |
| lardman | AStorm: as atm I suppose mplayer has to enter the kernel via an ioctl to push the frame | 18:08 |
| lardman | I don't know | 18:08 |
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| lardman | anyway, time to go, see you chaps later, have a nice weekend and all that :) | 18:08 |
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| pupnik | "ARM Releases AAC, MP3, MPEG-4, H.264 and FFT OpenMAX DL Libraries, Highly Optimized for Cortex-A8/NEON and ARM11 Processors" | 18:18 |
| pupnik | http://www.arm.com/news/21181.html | 18:18 |
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| * GAN800 eyes the new logo on the site. | 19:04 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 19:04 |
| GAN800 | Welcome to Web 2.0 <_< | 19:04 |
| GAN800 | It seems to be getting worse rather than growing on me | 19:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | how do you say in english when a reccurent event is planned for the day : 'All day' | 19:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan800 > web 2.0 is a marketting term | 19:05 |
| GAN800 | '* GAN800 eyes the new logo on the site' | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | i mean from the start of the day to the end ... | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | oh ... | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll look | 19:06 |
| GAN800 | Yes, Khertan, I'm well aware of what the term means. ;) | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, which site? | 19:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum not very well integrated with the current sitge | 19:07 |
| GAN800 | maemo.org | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh I see. I prefer the old logo there. Maybe if the rest of the page is more modernised, it will fit there. | 19:08 |
| GAN800 | I just don't very much care for the logo. | 19:09 |
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| Navi | GAN800, is totally Web 1.0 | 19:12 |
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| XTL | Sourceforge | 19:15 |
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| lbt | GAN800: well, if you wanted to help pick it you shouldn't have submitted one... | 19:18 |
| GAN800 | Did I submit one? | 19:19 |
| * GAN800 eyeroll | 19:19 | |
| lbt | didn't you? | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | No. | 19:19 |
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| lbt | I didn't hear you volunteer to judge them | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | I was in California | 19:19 |
| lbt | I was in the UK | 19:19 |
| Navi | I was with j00r mother | 19:20 |
| lbt | peter was in nokialand | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | Besides, dneary was picking up people like Peter | 19:20 |
| lbt | in the end there were only 4 of us | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | California is relevant because I was on vacation with limited internet access. | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | Oh, OK, defensive. | 19:21 |
| lbt | lack of interest from those in the community who didn't submit I guess | 19:21 |
| GAN800 | right then | 19:21 |
| lbt | no - I was just surprised | 19:21 |
| lbt | that not many people wanted to help pick | 19:21 |
| lbt | anyhow - no complaining if you didn't volunteer ;) | 19:21 |
| * GAN800 eyeroll | 19:22 | |
| lcuk | lardman|gone, the epson chip apparantly has 2 DMA modes and we are only using one of them (the slowest) if the other DMA mode is available it should bring an improvement in bandwidth. im not sure where i read about the slower mode, but if it doesnt involve soldering it might be worth looking into | 19:22 |
| lbt | (of course, anyone who submitted a logo can complain as much as they like!) | 19:22 |
| lcuk | as for other methods to get the data into the chip, i dont think the epson can see the internal SRAM | 19:22 |
| GAN800 | I've got enough on my plate without adding more | 19:22 |
| lbt | I've got practically nothing to do. | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, no idea if this relates to what you said but the epson chip is connected by a low speed interface | 19:22 |
| lbt | oh, wait... | 19:22 |
| GAN800 | there's probably such a thing as being too involved. | 19:22 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, thats exactly what i said :P | 19:23 |
| GAN800 | _Maemo stuff_ | 19:23 |
| lbt | well, it's done now, make the best of it <grin> | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I just dont see DMA != interfaces but I dunno what I am on about :) | 19:23 |
| lbt | and we got peter to allow the use of the logo on its own | 19:23 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, man up and handle a little criticism. | 19:23 |
| lcuk | lbt, you getting twitchy fingers? need something to code? | 19:23 |
| lbt | shopper 0.3 is done | 19:24 |
| lbt | I just need my multiboot to multiboot | 19:24 |
| lbt | so I can test chinook debs | 19:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt > yes my logo was the best and it haven t been chossen | 19:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/chossen/choose | 19:24 |
| lbt | you spelt maemo wrong | 19:24 |
| lcuk | so i can buy a third of a bottle of milk - i cant wait to get the v1.0 stuff - theres a bottle of booze with my name on it | 19:24 |
| lbt | and cheese | 19:24 |
| lbt | it supports cheese 2.0 now!!! | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 19:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, your logo was amazing - i want a tshirt with it on | 19:25 |
| lcuk | more cheese | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk ... no no no | 19:25 |
| lcuk | no? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | will that cheapen the art? | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:25 |
| lbt | logo on cheese? | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum sorry wrong windows | 19:26 |
| lcuk | you could sell that on the maemo.org art store for $999 | 19:26 |
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| lbt | windows is always wrong | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > of course u can make a tshirt with it | 19:26 |
| lbt | bbl | 19:26 |
| lcuk | \o/ w0000t | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll try to get one with it | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | for the summit | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:27 |
| lcuk | i might get a tshirt with the logo filename printed on it | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > hehe | 19:27 |
| lcuk | did you use your tablet to sketch it? | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep :) | 19:27 |
| lcuk | good job man | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:28 |
| lcuk | then i shall wear it with pride - until people ask me why im bleeding | 19:28 |
| lcuk | i must go anyway | 19:28 |
| * lcuk packs up his bag and goes home | 19:28 | |
| Khertan_n810 | i m looking for an online shop that make t shirt | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > hehe i m in the train to go home | 19:29 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum i need to make a larger image if want to make a t shirt | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:04 |
| XTL | m00 | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | fucking shit...it's war. | 20:28 |
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| johnx | RST38h, eh? | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | johnx: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080808 | 20:35 |
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| johnx | ah, here I was worried it was the US being incredibly stupid... | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Well, the puppets are usually chosen to be more stupid than their master | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | Still, this is out of the ordinary | 20:37 |
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| johnx | wow...the whole situation sounds like a real clusterfuck | 20:39 |
| RST38h | it is still somewhat reversible | 20:40 |
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| johnx | I really haven't been terribly impressed with what any governments have been up to these last 10 years or so... | 20:41 |
| RST38h | at the very least, they could leave things as they were. | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | 1400 local corpses, 10 Russian peacekeepers, unannounced number of Georgians (there was video of their corpses on the streets though) | 20:48 |
| johnx | gah... | 20:51 |
| johnx | anyways, enough depressing things for now. I need to get some sleep | 20:51 |
| johnx | I hope things work out... | 20:51 |
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| Sargun | What's the best way to get started developing with Maemo? | 21:09 |
| RST38h | install Ubuntu | 21:09 |
| RST38h | install Maemo SDK | 21:10 |
| Sargun | I have the SDK | 21:10 |
| RST38h | download a sample | 21:10 |
| Sargun | I build hello world app for x86. | 21:10 |
| Sargun | How do I run this thing? | 21:10 |
| RST38h | build it for ARMEL, transfer to device, and test | 21:10 |
| Sargun | DIABLO_X86 | 21:10 |
| Sargun | I assume there is a better way to test | 21:10 |
| RST38h | The only reliable way to test is on the device | 21:10 |
| nomis | Sargun: start xephyr, start hildon inside scratchbox, test program. | 21:11 |
| Sargun | does xephyr ship with the SDK? | 21:11 |
| lcuk | Sargun, if you have a device available, just compile for armel, copy binary over and run it | 21:12 |
| lcuk | it can be automated with a script and ssh commands quite easily | 21:12 |
| Sargun | I'd prefer to do development on this box, is there any way I can do that? | 21:12 |
| nomis | Sargun: not sure at the moment, I think I have this package installed from debian. | 21:13 |
| lcuk | yes, the xephyr way | 21:13 |
| lcuk | but theres nothing better than touching your own code :) | 21:13 |
| nomis | Sargun: but xephyr is the thing recommended in the maemo tutorials so it might be included in the sdk. | 21:13 |
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| Cptnodegard | does anyone in here know a lot about s60 v3? the people in #symbian are morons and as helpful as omweather if you live outside the us | 21:20 |
| johnx | not to be an ass, but omweather works great outside the US... | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | not here it doesnt :p | 21:21 |
| johnx | where is here? | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | norway | 21:21 |
| johnx | it works in Japan | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | there are about 10 locations covered in the entire country | 21:21 |
| johnx | aaah | 21:22 |
| johnx | I happen to live in the second biggest city in Japan :) | 21:22 |
| Cptnodegard | you have to have a shitload of gadgets o.o | 21:22 |
| johnx | ahaha | 21:22 |
| johnx | haven't bought much recently... | 21:22 |
| johnx | a couple SD cards and some cheap headphones... :P | 21:23 |
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| Cptnodegard | either way i use handy weather for my e51, its way more accurate even though it costs money. can add location by GPS and it extrapolates, even if the nearest preset location is only 15 km away | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | i want one of those new fujitsu UMPCs | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | u10203040 or wtf its called | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | u2010 | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | 9 hours battery life | 21:23 |
| johnx | the fujitsu u-can't-afford-it? | 21:24 |
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| johnx | it's funny, cause the hp mini-notebook is the one stores here can't keep in stock | 21:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | i want some smal pc but all they have here is crap | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | or | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | the hp p1620 pwns but its 4000 USD | 21:26 |
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| Cptnodegard | acer aspire one XP version isnt released until 2 weeks | 21:27 |
| Cptnodegard | and i want a new toy now :( | 21:27 |
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| johnx | anyways, I really should sleep :) | 21:29 |
| johnx | good luck with S60 (and finding a new toy) | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | Cptn: Toshiba R500 | 21:34 |
| RST38h | starting from $1500 | 21:34 |
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| Cptnodegard | RST38h: if it only did that here, starting at 2200 :po | 21:35 |
| Cptnodegard | goingu up to well over 4000 | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Cptn: Where is "here"? | 21:35 |
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| Cptnodegard | noway | 21:36 |
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| Cptnodegard | +r if you feel like it | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Oh | 21:36 |
| RST38h | How about ordering from US? | 21:36 |
| Cptnodegard | taxes would still jump it up some | 21:36 |
| RST38h | How about asking someone to bring it for you? | 21:37 |
| Cptnodegard | 1500 is only a weeks pay or so, but with taxes and shit it would be 2000 | 21:37 |
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| Cptnodegard | dont know anyone going this way | 21:37 |
| Cptnodegard | also a lot of money | 21:37 |
| RST38h | 2000 is still ok if you are going to use it for a few years | 21:37 |
| Cptnodegard | acer aspire one with a bigger battery and XP would be nice once its released but i still prefert tablets | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | tablets generally weight more | 21:38 |
| Cptnodegard | thats true but i already got a laptop and the n800 | 21:38 |
| RST38h | ah | 21:38 |
| Cptnodegard | fact is i dont need any more gadgets, but i dropped my vacation to work so i want some new toy :p | 21:39 |
| Cptnodegard | someone needs to invent some new gadget type noone can live without | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | Heart implant | 21:40 |
| Cptnodegard | what annoys me about these f'ing "netbooks" is that they have crappy battery life. the n800 can easily do 6 hours of my usage and i have a usb battery backup which can tripple that | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Sooner or later, nobody can live without it | 21:41 |
| Cptnodegard | an XP aspire one here will be 640, and a bigger battery is 150 | 21:41 |
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| Cptnodegard | someone should make a 7" n800 with an atom CPU and a bit more ram, otherwise the same | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | Atom CPU - no go | 21:43 |
| lcuk | wont there be hundreds of atom clones, use arm | 21:43 |
| Cptnodegard | well some kind of faster CPU | 21:44 |
| * RST38h is fine with the current N8x0 CPU | 21:44 | |
| Cptnodegard | lack of power for real xvid playback is the only thing i dont liek about nit's | 21:44 |
| lcuk | the cpu is plenty fast enough - its the graphics which let this device slip | 21:44 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 21:44 |
| RST38h | TV is showing Firefly tonight, nice treat =) | 21:44 |
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| Cptnodegard | well whatever makes it support xvid | 21:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is not CPU, it is not graphics. | 21:44 |
| Cptnodegard | would pwn | 21:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Actually weird how few people know what slows it down ;) | 21:45 |
| lcuk | its having to render all that stuff manually, there is another 2 specialised ARM cores sitting idle | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: It is the memory performance. | 21:45 |
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| Cptnodegard | what cpu are they using? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Don't believe me - allocate 8MB of RAM and do 1024 random reads in a tight loop | 21:46 |
| RST38h | See how long they will take | 21:46 |
| lcuk | i do that | 21:46 |
| RST38h | just don't read sequentially - sequential read performance is more or less ok | 21:47 |
| lcuk | maybe not 8mb, but tight fast loops | 21:47 |
| lcuk | and i jump because its bitmaps | 21:47 |
| RST38h | You have to read from a large pool | 21:47 |
| lcuk | do a strip, jump forward, read another strip | 21:47 |
| RST38h | So that you exceed cache | 21:47 |
| lcuk | like bitmapped image size | 21:47 |
| RST38h | nah, reading in strips does not count | 21:48 |
| lcuk | 4096*4096 scaling | 21:48 |
| lcuk | down to arbitary size | 21:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the memory is fine :) perhaps you are falling into the cpu freq hole. sometimes a tight loop makes the cpu think its not busy so it slows down | 21:48 |
| RST38h | 4096*4096 = 16 megapixels | 21:48 |
| lcuk | try it again on performance and then te me | 21:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: reading stuff in strips is not random reads | 21:49 |
| lcuk | but scaling the bitmap is certainly not sequential within buffer | 21:50 |
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| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, OMAP2420 | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: it is sequential | 21:51 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you write in strips, left to right | 21:51 |
| lcuk | yes but picking far enough away to not be bufferable | 21:51 |
| lcuk | by the way, this is the image http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/modis_wonderglobe_lrg.jpg | 21:52 |
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| Cptnodegard | ive seen that planet before... | 21:55 |
| Cptnodegard | vulcan? kronos? cardassia? | 21:55 |
| Cptnodegard | [/trekkie humour] | 21:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: SDRAM can do sequential (even uncacheable) reads relatively well | 21:55 |
| lcuk | Cptnodegard, its epsilon III i believe | 21:56 |
| Cptnodegard | oic | 21:57 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_III ;) | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, so what, it has to slow down, find a place to do a u-turn and then carefully pull back out into traffic to go the other way? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | its memory and the performance isnt that bad | 21:58 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: well, as you wish to think :) | 21:59 |
| Cptnodegard | lcuk episilon is a ST planet too, form voyager | 21:59 |
| RST38h | But in a real life, where you do not access memory in stripes, it is damn slow | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i access random memory all the time - one letter is over here, the next is over there, the other is over there | 22:00 |
| lcuk | each different malloc and i dunno where the char comes from | 22:00 |
| lcuk | some have only a few bytes each | 22:00 |
| lcuk | others have | 22:00 |
| lcuk | lots | 22:00 |
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| Cptnodegard | so, no S60 experts in here? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | i dont see it being slow apart from byte only is slower, and unaligned longs cost me about 1fps but the direction of where i go isnt slow | 22:01 |
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| Cptnodegard | or if anyone know a way to get google calendar to ignore robots.txt | 22:02 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt ignore robots | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | yes it should, otherwise its uselss to me | 22:02 |
| lcuk | why do you want google to scan a banned domain? why not open up the areas for google to come in | 22:02 |
| lcuk | ie use robots properly | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | my school offers my schedule as .ics downloads, which i could sync with me E51 if i just got google calendar to read the ics file - which it cant because the morons put a robots.txt on the server | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | cant you push it with a script from your account to somewhere visible - ie post direct to the cal account or something? | 22:05 |
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| Cptnodegard | i dont know how to do that | 22:05 |
| Cptnodegard | i got as far as modifying a php script to get me a recent ics file (the url is static with from and to dates) but thats as far as my skills go | 22:06 |
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| Cptnodegard | but i do know someone i can bug to help me >:D | 22:08 |
| lcuk | why dont you ask your school techs? | 22:08 |
| Cptnodegard | system admin didnt understand the question | 22:08 |
| Cptnodegard | -.- | 22:08 |
| lcuk | they will know about google calendar and stuff and might have a method | 22:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:09 |
| lcuk | have you got an 8 year old brother? | 22:09 |
| Cptnodegard | asked if he could either remove robots or modify it to allow the timedit directory and he didnt understand the question | 22:09 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 22:09 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah but hes stupid | 22:09 |
| lcuk | heh so who does the tech support in your family | 22:10 |
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| Cptnodegard | peolpe i have on gtalk :p | 22:11 |
| Cptnodegard | they normally do the technical part of my random ideas | 22:11 |
| lcuk | http://highearthorbit.com/publish-ical-to-google-calendar/ | 22:11 |
| Cptnodegard | so far i have a webcomic to canol2 photofeed script thingy, a script that looks up phone numbers and gives me back a contacts file (for my cell) and a norwegian postal tracking to rss script | 22:12 |
| Cptnodegard | all of them courtesy of peopl ei bug | 22:12 |
| Cptnodegard | ohohohoh nice link | 22:13 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol wtf cnet crave are weird | 22:15 |
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| alex-weej_ | http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html | 23:30 |
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| alex-weej_ | before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION! | 23:40 |
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| bef0rd | orly | 23:43 |
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| RST38h | let us grill him for spam! | 23:45 |
| mranostay_work | ew spam | 23:45 |
| RST38h | and add some vegetables too | 23:45 |
| RST38h | 'cause there is some meaningless crap written at that url | 23:45 |
| bef0rd | and there were some of us that clicked the same link twice! | 23:47 |
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